The Infinite Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[slipalong]

I wish they could find a cool place for him. I went back and re-read the old CRISIS and realized how cheated he was. He barely did anything. When he tried to help old Supes in the end he almost got killed and that was about it. Now they bring him back and he goes nuts and kills a bunch of Titans.

I know it would be dumb if they kept him around as S-Boy, but I wouldn't mind seeing him as a villain.

Does anyone have any insight as to why there's a toy being made of him in some Anti Monitor gear?

Which Titans bought it???? :(

[Doomed_hero]

any word on if Joker is going to appear anymore in IC?I mean I love the series as is, but his cameo in it was a personal fav moment of mine.

[Tamanon]

any word on if Joker is going to appear anymore in IC?I mean I love the series as is, but his cameo in it was a personal fav moment of mine.

I think Didio was the one who said it, but Joker at least appears near the end of IC#7.

[Hellstormer]

Which Titans bought it???? :(Wildebeast, Pantha, Bushido, and possibly Superboy (Conner)

[deathshead2]

Wildebeast, Pantha, Bushido, and possibly Superboy (Conner)No conner is fine. Still alive and kicking.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, he was alive after Prime's attack. But he only recently got back to "kicking" as of Infinite Crisis #5. Prime's beating sent him into a state of cellular degeneration, which he was dying from. Robin and some of the Titans raided one of Luthor's old labs and found a cure for him in Robin #146-7.

[droogiedroogie2]

So I don't know if we already did this, since I'm just now checking in, but who else is happy that E2 Supes totally didn't own E1 Supes! Yeah! Way to go real Superman! Alright!

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm glad it was an even fight. I guess Superboy Prime was just an anomaly in terms of power levels among the Super-set.

[supes_el]

Superman - I couldn't save our earth back then, but I will save you. That's what I do. That's what I always did.....Superman always saves Lois Lane.

If anyone has read IC #5. I don't know but this line touched me. IC hasn't let down any bit, the first pages where all the heroes attend church especially blue devil was great. The Nightwing scene was just as amazing. E1 supes also said a great line also - If your from this earth it can't be perfect.... because a perfect earth doesn't need a superman

:up: great stuff DC, Geoff keep up the great work

Very well said sir...I would like to add..

IC5 was AWESOME...Tied with if not better than IC4...

Anyway the end of the book was awesome! Having Nightwing and Superboy go to take on Alex Luthor and Physco Pirate was amazing. I hope i'm smelling some thrones being usurped. I think Conner and Dick deserve it.

Quote of the issue:
Superman to Superman E-2: "If you're from this Earth, it can't be PERFECT. Because a perfect Earth doesn't need a Superman."

Quote 2:
Alex. Luthor to Pirate: "The Superman of Earth-2 is the key to the return of the rest of the multiverse. For some reason I can't explain or understand, and probably never will...."

That second quote leads a lot to be thought of. Is Superman Earth-2 a Demi-God? Is he connected to reality somehow? I hope they explain that later on.

Also Superboy Prime's back! and hes got new gear :)

I also don't think Superman E2 is a villian. I think what Lois said when he died...means that he will do the right thing in the end...like Superman is supposed to :)

[yenaled]

I can't believe I've only just realised that Connor Kent is Alexander Luthors counterpart - our version of the son of Lex Luthor. Like Alexander was the product of good and evil (anti matter and matter) Connor is also the product of good (Superman) and evil (Lex). I can't believe it took me this long to realise it, haha.

I also LOVED the "breaking the fourth wall" reference. At first it annoyed me that Alex said "for some reason everything comes from Superman and I probably won't ever figure out why." then it hit me, of course everything comes from Superman - he was the first. An excellent reference which specifically made me geek out.

I really feel sorry for Earth 2 Superman though, he's a product of a different time and so out of place. Lois dying was very touching and his slow realisation that he has been played by Alex was well done.

Earth-2 Wonder Woman was surprisingly effective, I was worried how it would play out but it ended up being a very nice few pages for both of them and to give Diana Prince a final resting place.

I do love this series.

[TheCorpulent1]

Damn, I didn't notice that either. I obviously went to Superboy Prime as Conner's counterpart, but SBP is Clark himself. Conner and Alex really are opposites: Conner was created for evil but went good, Alex was created for good but turned evil. That has to come into play in TT #33. Good catch, yen. :up:

I got the nod to Superman's status as the first, though. Naturally everything must come from Supes. He's the first and still the greatest.

[storyteller]

All hell is breaking loose(well i guess it closed back in teen titans) . I wanna see a rematch between superboy prime and superboy.


Sidenote would you consider lex the father or mother of superboy?
Lex did more of the gestation.

[Lackey]

All hell is breaking loose(well i guess it closed back in teen titans) . I wanna see a rematch between superboy prime and superboy.


Sidenote would you consider lex the father or mother of superboy?
Lex did more of the gestation.


now you're just being gross :mad:

[ToddIsDead]

Ha! Can you imagine Lex pregnant with Superman's child? Comedy gold.

[storyteller]

Anyway whats up with barry. Its like this guy comes back way too often. It would be a trip if he ended this thing like he did before.

[Doc Destruction]

All hell is breaking loose(well i guess it closed back in teen titans) . I wanna see a rematch between superboy prime and superboy.

Not right now you don't. If that's SBP and the Anti-Monitor mixed together, Conner would last 15 seconds tops.

[TheCorpulent1]

Anyway whats up with barry. Its like this guy comes back way too often. It would be a trip if he ended this thing like he did before.
It would also unravel the universe. :(

[onceasaint]

It would also unravel the universe. :(

But that's where I keep all my stuff!!! :hyper:

[Tamanon]

Not right now you don't. If that's SBP and the Anti-Monitor mixed together, Conner would last 15 seconds tops.

To be fair, it depends on what that Shard can do;)

[The Batman]

Ivan Reis' art was excellent. He really needs to draw a Batbook one day

Seeing Earth 2 Wonder Woman was great as well. I liked the advice she gave Earth 1 Wonder Woman. Diehard Wonder Woman fans may not agree, but one of the reasons WW isnt appealing to the masses is because she dosent experience things real people do in their everyday life. Sure, she's human, but, shes always had some role than was all important. She's not like Clark with an everyday job.

[supes_el]

I also LOVED the "breaking the fourth wall" reference.

I do love this series.

What does the "breaking" reference mean?

Also, who wouldnt love this series :)

:supes:

[Tamanon]

What does the "breaking" reference mean?

Also, who wouldnt love this series :)

:supes:

Breaking the fourth wall is when a comic acknowledges that its a comic. In this case, "It all starts with Superman" is an obvious homage to the fact that modern comics really did start with Superman, at least take off with him.:)

[XFanTim]

Do we know the answers to all of Wizard's OYL hints yet?

One of these characters...

... will give birth in '06: Wonder Woman, Power Girl, Catwoman or Oracle
Catwoman

...will be stripped of their powers: Superman, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Green Lantern (Hal)
???

...will become the mayor of a crime-riddled city: Wally West, Dick Grayson, Bruce Wayne, Oliver Queen
Oliver Queen -- Star City

...will have amnesia and be unable to tell friend from foe: MM, Aquaman, Atom, Elongated Man
???

...will take the mantle of the most powerful hero in the DCU: Booster Gold, Animal Man, Kyle Rayner, Earth-2 Superman
Kyle Rayner -- Ion

...will become a criminal in the eyes of the world: Hal Jordan, Superman, Flash, Captain Marvel
Hal Jordan

...WILL BE THE ONLY ONE AROUND AFTER "INFINITE CRISIS": Wally West, Superboy (Connor), Guy Gardner, Nightwing
Nightwing

One of these teams won't survive Infinite Crisis: JLA, JLA, JLA, JLA
JLA... duh

...will become the military's secret weapon: Cyborg, Wonder Woman, Red Tornado, John Stewart
???

...will destroy an entire country and kill millions: Braniac, Sinestro, Black Adam, Vandal Savage
Vandal Savage?
Most of these are addressed in the OYL ads at the end of Infinite Crisis #5 . . . plus the recent OYL previews.

[Darthphere]

The stripped of their powers thing will probably be Wonder Woman me thinks.

[Tamanon]

That's the weird thing, we know Guy Gardner's around also after IC, he appears in Blue Beetle....but I guess that doesn't occur OYL?

[stillanerd]

Anyway whats up with barry. Its like this guy comes back way too often. It would be a trip if he ended this thing like he did before.

Because ever since COIE, Barry has been the "harbringer of doom" become he goes back to whence he came. After all, as Marv Wolfman once stated, Barry Allen is man who knows he will eventually die the way it happened in COIE--his fate is inevitable and also has to happen in order to save the universe. Plus it makes the fans giddy when he shows up.:)

[XFanTim]

The stripped of their powers thing will probably be Wonder Woman me thinks.
Either Wonder Woman or Superman. I don't think Supes used any powers in that OYL preview, did he? (Plus, the ad from IC#5 says "Why has metropolis bid farewell to a hero . . . and who's targeting Clark Kent?")

[goldmill]

I can't believe I've only just realised that Connor Kent is Alexander Luthors counterpart - our version of the son of Lex Luthor. Like Alexander was the product of good and evil (anti matter and matter) Connor is also the product of good (Superman) and evil (Lex). I can't believe it took me this long to realise it, haha.



Man, that is an awesome catch. It's very obviuous when you think about it but everyone missed it. lol.

[The BatDude]

Man, that is an awesome catch. It's very obviuous when you think about it but everyone missed it. lol.
wow i missed it

[cabel]

That just blew my mind

[Fledermaus]

I was reading IC #5 and noticed in the group that Batman is taking to bring down Brother Eye. Black Lightning, John Stewart, Hal Jordan, Black Canary, Green Arrow,Mr. Terrific, Some chick(Argent?), Booster, Blue Beetle, and Shift. My moneys' on (at least) Shift dying. That's why Meatamorphos' back in Outsiders #34

[cerealkiller182]

I was reading IC #5 and noticed in the group that Batman is taking to bring down Brother Eye. Black Lightning, John Stewart, Hal Jordan, Black Canary, Green Arrow,Mr. Terrific, Some chick(Argent?), Booster, Blue Beetle, and Shift. My moneys' on (at least) Shift dying. That's why Meatamorphos' back in Outsiders #34

I figured the Metamorpho mention was a slip by the writer. Thats a good point though. Think he'll die making a makeshift space craft since they are going after the satellite(i think?).

[Fledermaus]

I figured the Metamorpho mention was a slip by the writer. Thats a good point though. Think he'll die making a makeshift space craft since they are going after the satellite(i think?).

Happened before.

[cerealkiller182]

Happened before.

That's what I meant. Will Shift go out the same way Metamorpho did.

[cerealkiller182]

Happened before.

That's what I meant. Will Shift go out the same way Metamorpho did.

bte, did something happen to Arsenal. I havnt caught up on Outsiders in a while but he wasnt in OYL.

[Green Lantern]

will have amnesia and be unable to tell friend from foe: MM, Aquaman, Atom, Elongated Man
???

My bet is on it being: Aquaman, especially with his OYL series ;)

And I'm holding out hope that Roy shows up in Checkmate... :(

[Doc Destruction]

That's what I meant. Will Shift go out the same way Metamorpho did.

bte, did something happen to Arsenal. I havnt caught up on Outsiders in a while but he wasnt in OYL.

To my knowledge he's getting a mini OYL.

[Green Lantern]

To my knowledge he's getting a mini OYL.ARE YOU F**KING SERIOUS?!? :eek: :up: :eek: :up: :eek: WHERE DID YOU SEE THIS?!?!?

[drastic_quench]

It looks like Blue Beetle #1 starts with Jaime crash landing back on Earth. So, it's a safe bet that everything doesn't quite go as planned. I'm still wondering why Guy Gardner is pissed at him, though. Maybe he thinks he's connected to Ted's death?

[BrianWilly]

To my knowledge he's getting a mini OYL.Isn't that Connor Hawke? I hadn't heard about an Arsenal mini.

[Darthphere]

Isn't that Connor Hawke? I hadn't heard about an Arsenal mini.


Youre right.

[Green Lantern]

Isn't that Connor Hawke? I hadn't heard about an Arsenal mini....and you just broke my heart :(

[Sentry2005]

i wasn't able to get my comics this week (mainly due to the fact the guy who runs the shop was locked in his flat today, and all of his shipment didn't get delivered on time, but arrived the day after) so i haven't read the ish yet... has anyone got any scans of superboy? apparently he gets a cool new look... i wanna see my fave characters new look :(

[Darthphere]

i wasn't able to get my comics this week (mainly due to the fact the guy who runs the shop was locked in his flat today, and all of his shipment didn't get delivered on time, but arrived the day after) so i haven't read the ish yet... has anyone got any scans of superboy? apparently he gets a cool new look... i wanna see my fave characters new look :(


http://photobucket.com/albums/v176/darthphere/?action=view&current=Superboy-Prime.jpg

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

The stripped of their powers thing will probably be Wonder Woman me thinks.
wonder woman becomes a stripper!?!?!?! THERE IS A GOD!!!!!!!!

[storyteller]

I really hope kon el put our whiney boy down.

[Banshee]

I second that... I want to see conner have some kind of surge and put him in his place.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope Conner takes Superboy Prime down in a way that makes sense. It's pretty obvious that he won't gain enough power to physically smack Prime down, given that that'd make Conner even more powerful than Superman himself, but there has to be some way that Conner can kick Prime's ass logically.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

I hope Conner takes Superboy Prime down in a way that makes sense. It's pretty obvious that he won't gain enough power to physically smack Prime down, given that that'd make Conner even more powerful than Superman himself, but there has to be some way that Conner can kick Prime's ass logically.
he could TK his brain shorting him out.

[Sentry2005]

http://photobucket.com/albums/v176/darthphere/?action=view&current=Superboy-Prime.jpg

thanks dude, but i meant conner.... should have specified :O

[TheCorpulent1]

Conner doesn't get a new look. When he talks to Nightwing he's wearing his usual black shirt and jeans non-costume. Before that he's nearly naked in a tube of snot.

[The Leaguer]

I was kind of hoping the tube of snot was his new costume.

[TheCorpulent1]

Me, too. Then he could finally come out of Superman's shadow and make a name for himself as Tube of Snot Man.

[Vic Von Doom]

Do we know the answers to all of Wizard's OYL hints yet?


Most of these are addressed in the OYL ads at the end of Infinite Crisis #5 . . . plus the recent OYL previews.

After what E2 Wonder Woman told our WW, pretty sure WW will be without her powers...and Paradise Island...and all her sisterly Amazons...jeez, they sure are sticking it to Diana.

My money is on the Manhunter losing his memory as an aftereffect of the Tower.

I think it would be pretty sweet if Red Tornado became the govt's secret weapon. It'd be heartbreaking the first time the heroes had to fight him.

I really hope that Brainiac is the one who annihilates a country. He appeared in The Insiders and then disappeared, but he really needs to take center stage in the DCU as a villain again. Not Brainiac 9, or the Futuresmiths, or whatever, just Brainiac. I was psyched he was going to be in Justice, but through 4 issues he has done naught but make threatening remarks to Aquaman. Oooooo...I would feel okay about talking tough to Aquaman too. I feel he gets shortchanged in a major way in the DCU.

[TheCorpulent1]

Aquaman's the hero who loses his memory, if the hints in Aquaman #40 are any indication.

[Green Lantern]

Me, too. Then he could finally come out of Superman's shadow and make a name for himself as Tube of Snot Man.Haha, I remember way back in like 93-94 when Superboy had the TM on the name Superman, and when the real deal came back they had to work out an arrangement :o

[That-Guy]

Okay, someone may have already suggested this but if so, I haven't seen it posted. It's going to sound really stupid at first but it does make some sense. What if the "worst day in the lives of the heroes" is the day when they all realize... drumroll please... they don't exist?

I'm going by Alex's statement here that "everything comes from Superman." Why? Because Superman is a god? Nope. Because he's the most powerful being in the universe? Nada. Because he was FIRST... but not first in the comic book world... first in the REAL WORLD. Our world. The "perfect" earth that doesn't need a Superman. Because ours is the only one that doesn't have one. It sounds silly, I know... but bear with me...

In the multiverse days, Earth Prime was supposedly "our" world. The heroes appeared in comic books and there weren't any super-powered beings that lived there. But then the DC heroes made a few cross-dimensional trips there and the next thing you know, EP had its own Superboy. Thus this couldn’t have been our world, or if it was, it switched over to being another world once super-powered beings entered it and the real world, ours, split off into an alternate timeline (like with hypertime). I’m leaning more on the concept though that Earth Prime is actually just another one of the multiple earths that exist in an reality that is actually unreality, and there is actually another reality altogether (ours) that exists. There is a barrier between both realities and Alex is trying to breach that barrier. Once he does, he’ll realize the shocking truth… none of them exist and they’re actions are actually being conducted by humans in the real world. At first, he’ll probably think he just stumbled onto Earth Prime, but then he’ll realize that all of this is the reason for Earth Prime Superboy’s insanity and need to change time and history… a Superman cannot exist in the real world. Not because the real world couldn’t use one (we sure as hell could)… but because our reality couldn’t accept something like that. Earth Prime was the real world’s attempt to copy itself and not only was it destroyed but its sole survivor may bring about the destruction of both realities. Perhaps Alex will realize that if he tries to enter the real world and truly break through that “fourth wall” everything will really cease to exist.

Now really try to grasp what I’m getting at here. I’m proposing that whether there is one universe in DC or a billion, there’s actually a barrier that separates them all from the one true universe that truly exists, and their universe is comprised of unreality. It makes sense and yet it makes no sense but I can tell you right now it would be gutsy move that no one would have expected DC to make.

[batnkevlar]

Okay, someone may have already suggested this but if so, I haven't seen it posted. It's going to sound really stupid at first but it does make some sense. What if the "worst day in the lives of the heroes" is the day when they all realize... drumroll please... they don't exist?

I'm going by Alex's statement here that "everything comes from Superman." Why? Because Superman is a god? Nope. Because he's the most powerful being in the universe? Nada. Because he was FIRST... but not first in the comic book world... first in the REAL WORLD. Our world. The "perfect" earth that doesn't need a Superman. Because ours is the only one that doesn't have one. It sounds silly, I know... but bear with me...

In the multiverse days, Earth Prime was supposedly "our" world. The heroes appeared in comic books and there weren't any super-powered beings that lived there. But then the DC heroes made a few cross-dimensional trips there and the next thing you know, EP had its own Superboy. Thus this couldn’t have been our world, or if it was, it switched over to being another world once super-powered beings entered it and the real world, ours, split off into an alternate timeline (like with hypertime). I’m leaning more on the concept though that Earth Prime is actually just another one of the multiple earths that exist in an reality that is actually unreality, and there is actually another reality altogether (ours) that exists. There is a barrier between both realities and Alex is trying to breach that barrier. Once he does, he’ll realize the shocking truth… none of them exist and they’re actions are actually being conducted by humans in the real world. At first, he’ll probably think he just stumbled onto Earth Prime, but then he’ll realize that all of this is the reason for Earth Prime Superboy’s insanity and need to change time and history… a Superman cannot exist in the real world. Not because the real world couldn’t use one (we sure as hell could)… but because our reality couldn’t accept something like that. Earth Prime was the real world’s attempt to copy itself and not only was it destroyed but its sole survivor may bring about the destruction of both realities. Perhaps Alex will realize that if he tries to enter the real world and truly break through that “fourth wall” everything will really cease to exist.

Now really try to grasp what I’m getting at here. I’m proposing that whether there is one universe in DC or a billion, there’s actually a barrier that separates them all from the one true universe that truly exists, and their universe is comprised of unreality. It makes sense and yet it makes no sense but I can tell you right now it would be gutsy move that no one would have expected DC to make.

Holy ****... that would be ****in brilliant...

[That-Guy]

Thank ya, thank ya very much. :D

[dcbmp]

After what E2 Wonder Woman told our WW, pretty sure WW will be without her powers...and Paradise Island...and all her sisterly Amazons...jeez, they sure are sticking it to Diana.

My money is on the Manhunter losing his memory as an aftereffect of the Tower.

I think it would be pretty sweet if Red Tornado became the govt's secret weapon. It'd be heartbreaking the first time the heroes had to fight him.

I really hope that Brainiac is the one who annihilates a country. He appeared in The Insiders and then disappeared, but he really needs to take center stage in the DCU as a villain again. Not Brainiac 9, or the Futuresmiths, or whatever, just Brainiac. I was psyched he was going to be in Justice, but through 4 issues he has done naught but make threatening remarks to Aquaman. Oooooo...I would feel okay about talking tough to Aquaman too. I feel he gets shortchanged in a major way in the DCU.
The JL members who bump uglies..........in the spirt of Brokeback winning an Oscar........Superman and Batman.

[Till_the_End]

hey guys,
which TPBs should I buy to get into IC, without spending too much money?
I hope you can help, because IC is pretty big and it's really hard to get an overview if you haven't followed it from the beginning.
Thanks a lot.

[Anubis]

Identity Crisis, Omac Project, and Infinite Crisis when ever it comes out.

[Fledermaus]

Okay, someone may have already suggested this but if so, I haven't seen it posted. It's going to sound really stupid at first but it does make some sense. What if the "worst day in the lives of the heroes" is the day when they all realize... drumroll please... they don't exist?

I'm going by Alex's statement here that "everything comes from Superman." Why? Because Superman is a god? Nope. Because he's the most powerful being in the universe? Nada. Because he was FIRST... but not first in the comic book world... first in the REAL WORLD. Our world. The "perfect" earth that doesn't need a Superman. Because ours is the only one that doesn't have one. It sounds silly, I know... but bear with me...

In the multiverse days, Earth Prime was supposedly "our" world. The heroes appeared in comic books and there weren't any super-powered beings that lived there. But then the DC heroes made a few cross-dimensional trips there and the next thing you know, EP had its own Superboy. Thus this couldn’t have been our world, or if it was, it switched over to being another world once super-powered beings entered it and the real world, ours, split off into an alternate timeline (like with hypertime). I’m leaning more on the concept though that Earth Prime is actually just another one of the multiple earths that exist in an reality that is actually unreality, and there is actually another reality altogether (ours) that exists. There is a barrier between both realities and Alex is trying to breach that barrier. Once he does, he’ll realize the shocking truth… none of them exist and they’re actions are actually being conducted by humans in the real world. At first, he’ll probably think he just stumbled onto Earth Prime, but then he’ll realize that all of this is the reason for Earth Prime Superboy’s insanity and need to change time and history… a Superman cannot exist in the real world. Not because the real world couldn’t use one (we sure as hell could)… but because our reality couldn’t accept something like that. Earth Prime was the real world’s attempt to copy itself and not only was it destroyed but its sole survivor may bring about the destruction of both realities. Perhaps Alex will realize that if he tries to enter the real world and truly break through that “fourth wall” everything will really cease to exist.

Now really try to grasp what I’m getting at here. I’m proposing that whether there is one universe in DC or a billion, there’s actually a barrier that separates them all from the one true universe that truly exists, and their universe is comprised of unreality. It makes sense and yet it makes no sense but I can tell you right now it would be gutsy move that no one would have expected DC to make.

After reading that, I think I have a tumor. in my brain.. it hurts us

[Sentry2005]

Identity Crisis, Omac Project, and Infinite Crisis when ever it comes out.

yeah thats pretty much the quickest and easyiest way to get into i.c., altho maybe pick up crisis of conscience, which is a jla trade, as it deals with the justice league falling apart, and is kinda important in showing you the splintered nature of heroes during i.c.

[Till_the_End]

what about Villains United?

[Sentry2005]

what about Villains United?

very good mini, and again quite important as it shows the villains, er, uniting. but then, all the prequel mini's are important in a way, and the only bad one was rann-thanagar (and that was only because it was quite messy).

best bet is to get identity crisis and then however many mini's you take a liking to and can afford; it's really about which stories interest you. pick whichever ones you want, and then get infinite crisis in single issues or trades.

[GoldenAgeHero]

thje rann thanagar was a good mini, the story wasnt confusing at all, especially if you read the adam strange mini that leads to the war.

[Sentry2005]

ok, well i found it confusing and convoluted, as did most of my friends. but even if thats us, he still wouldn't want to get it, as it requires another mini on top of the ones he's getting, and the guy already said he wanted the cheapest way into the story.

[TheCorpulent1]

Rann/Thanagar War was pretty good, but it was kind of screwed over by the fact that the real meat of the space component of the Crisis has more to do with Donny Troy's crap. Gibbons couldn't really expand the focus beyond just the Rannians and Thanagarians fighting with LEGION, the Omega Men, Kyle, Kilowog, and the Hawks caught in the middle.

[regwec]

I'm going by Alex's statement here that "everything comes from Superman." Why? Because Superman is a god? Nope. Because he's the most powerful being in the universe? Nada. Because he was FIRST... but not first in the comic book world... first in the REAL WORLD. Our world. The "perfect" earth that doesn't need a Superman. Because ours is the only one that doesn't have one. It sounds silly, I know... but bear with me...
I had thought that, too. I wonder if a possible result of the crisis might be that the DC universe will be closer identified with our own, as evidenced by Nightwing quitting Bludhaven for New York.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think so. Bludhaven's still going to factor into the DCU heavily, and they'll never get rid of Metropolis or Gotham or Keystone, so it's not like they're shifting the focus of their characters' homes to real-world cities.

[regwec]

Well, we don't know that. I am not really speaking purely about geography; I am pondering whether we will gradually see more corss-referencing between the fictional and the material world. Mere speculation, but I like the idea.

[TheCorpulent1]

We don't know what? :confused: We know that there's a whole mini-series devoted to Bludhaven coming out, we know that Batman's still in Gotham, we know that Superman's still in Metropolis...

[regwec]

We do know that one character will be moved to an existing city. Whilst it is certain that the pre-existing cities will continue to appear, this alone moves the balance slightly towards reality. The Blue Beetle is also likely to take up residence in El Paso. It is obvious that I am not arguing that the real world is going to take the place of the fictional, but I think that it is reasonable to imagine that there may be a shift in the balance between the two.

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess a really, really minor one. Wonder Woman was already in New York and she'll be gone for a while, so you could just view Nightwing's move as filling that void.

[regwec]

That's true, though WW's focus had been drawn further and further within Themiscyra, lately. The endless battle between the Amazons and the OMACS was inexplicably dull.

[Assassin]

Rann/Thanagar War was pretty good, but it was kind of screwed over by the fact that the real meat of the space component of the Crisis has more to do with Donny Troy's crap. Gibbons couldn't really expand the focus beyond just the Rannians and Thanagarians fighting with LEGION, the Omega Men, Kyle, Kilowog, and the Hawks caught in the middle.

after issue 3 i got lost and really lost intrest, i dont think i ever read the last one:O

[Sentry2005]

after issue 3 i got lost and really lost intrest, i dont think i ever read the last one:O

did you read the special? it was also kinda busy and confusing, but a couple of things were really clear and made me happy... jade dying for instance :D

[Blue_Beetle]

I miss Jade. :(

[Darthphere]

I miss Jade. :(


Youre the only one.:up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

^ LMFAO :D :up:

[Blue_Beetle]

Youre the only one.:up:

Yay me. :)

[Fledermaus]

I just read DC's IC spoilers and "To launch an all-out assault on Brother Eye, Batman gathered a strike team that included Booster Gold, Mr. Terrific, Black Canary, Metamorpho, Black Lightning, Green Arrow, Hal Jordan, Jon Stewart and the new Blue Beetle" There was another chick in the mix that wasn't ID'd here and I guess this blows my whole "Shift is gonna die in space" theory right the hell up.

[LadyVader]

I just read DC's IC spoilers and "To launch an all-out assault on Brother Eye, Batman gathered a strike team that included Booster Gold, Mr. Terrific, Black Canary, Metamorpho, Black Lightning, Green Arrow, Hal Jordan, Jon Stewart and the new Blue Beetle" There was another chick in the mix that wasn't ID'd here and I guess this blows my whole "Shift is gonna die in space" theory right the hell up.

Wow, Jon Stewart. He just hosted the Oscars and now he's going after Brother Eye. I guess he thought Hollywood celebrities were not evil enough. :)

[Tamanon]

Wow, Jon Stewart. He just hosted the Oscars and now he's going after Brother Eye. I guess he thought Hollywood celebrities were not evil enough. :)

Man did Hollywood not appreciate his hosting last night either. At first I thought they were going to storm the stage:P

Still a hilarious guy though(plus with bonus Colbert thrown in!)

[TheCorpulent1]

I just read DC's IC spoilers and "To launch an all-out assault on Brother Eye, Batman gathered a strike team that included Booster Gold, Mr. Terrific, Black Canary, Metamorpho, Black Lightning, Green Arrow, Hal Jordan, Jon Stewart and the new Blue Beetle" There was another chick in the mix that wasn't ID'd here and I guess this blows my whole "Shift is gonna die in space" theory right the hell up.
I don't get it, how does that ruin your theory? :confused:

[XFanTim]

Because it's Metamorpho and not Shift on the team?

[Darthphere]

Because it's Metamorpho and not Shift on the team?


Shift can still die somewhere else.

[LadyVader]

I miss Jade. :(

Reload and try again.
:)

[TheCorpulent1]

Because it's Metamorpho and not Shift on the team?
Right, which means that Shift could still very well die in space while Metamorpho fights Brother Eye on Earth. :confused:

[yenaled]

Shift is in space with Donna Troy, he can't be in two places at once - well he might be able to be. Who knows!

[That-Guy]

I don't know anything about Shift, so I can't say anything about him, but I really wish Metamorpho would kick the bucket already. He's one C-lister I always hated. Stupid costume, annoying character... he's like an arrogant, boring, uglier version of Plastic Man.

[Anubis]

Well technically he's naked.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's actually not like Plastic Man at all. He can change his body's molecular composition; Plastic Man can change his body's shape. He can do what Plastic Man does and a hell of a lot more besides. I'm glad he's still around, myself. I wonder what happens to Shift over the missing year, though.

[Sentry2005]

I don't know anything about Shift, so I can't say anything about him, but I really wish Metamorpho would kick the bucket already. He's one C-lister I always hated. Stupid costume, annoying character... he's like an arrogant, boring, uglier version of Plastic Man.

shifts basically the same, but with duller shades of the colours. he has slightly advanced powers, meaning he can pretty much morph into anything.

I don't really like metamorpho either, unless you see him in the context of the outsiders, where he is shift's mentor. its quite nice actually.

[Anubis]

It's entirely possible that Metamorpho reabsorbs him into himself agian.

[Sentry2005]

It's entirely possible that Metamorpho reabsorbs him into himself agian.

that would be ok, as long as the characterisation and growth we've gotten out of shift is absorbed as well.. otherwise i'd feel kinda cheated, like his part in the outsiders would become null and void to me.

[raybia]

Okay, someone may have already suggested this but if so, I haven't seen it posted. It's going to sound really stupid at first but it does make some sense. What if the "worst day in the lives of the heroes" is the day when they all realize... drumroll please... they don't exist?

I'm going by Alex's statement here that "everything comes from Superman." Why? Because Superman is a god? Nope. Because he's the most powerful being in the universe? Nada. Because he was FIRST... but not first in the comic book world... first in the REAL WORLD. Our world. The "perfect" earth that doesn't need a Superman. Because ours is the only one that doesn't have one. It sounds silly, I know... but bear with me...

In the multiverse days, Earth Prime was supposedly "our" world. The heroes appeared in comic books and there weren't any super-powered beings that lived there. But then the DC heroes made a few cross-dimensional trips there and the next thing you know, EP had its own Superboy. Thus this couldn’t have been our world, or if it was, it switched over to being another world once super-powered beings entered it and the real world, ours, split off into an alternate timeline (like with hypertime). I’m leaning more on the concept though that Earth Prime is actually just another one of the multiple earths that exist in an reality that is actually unreality, and there is actually another reality altogether (ours) that exists. There is a barrier between both realities and Alex is trying to breach that barrier. Once he does, he’ll realize the shocking truth… none of them exist and they’re actions are actually being conducted by humans in the real world. At first, he’ll probably think he just stumbled onto Earth Prime, but then he’ll realize that all of this is the reason for Earth Prime Superboy’s insanity and need to change time and history… a Superman cannot exist in the real world. Not because the real world couldn’t use one (we sure as hell could)… but because our reality couldn’t accept something like that. Earth Prime was the real world’s attempt to copy itself and not only was it destroyed but its sole survivor may bring about the destruction of both realities. Perhaps Alex will realize that if he tries to enter the real world and truly break through that “fourth wall” everything will really cease to exist.

Now really try to grasp what I’m getting at here. I’m proposing that whether there is one universe in DC or a billion, there’s actually a barrier that separates them all from the one true universe that truly exists, and their universe is comprised of unreality. It makes sense and yet it makes no sense but I can tell you right now it would be gutsy move that no one would have expected DC to make.


OH MY GOD! I actually comprehend what you just said! :eek:


So really the barrier is between the real world (our world) and the world of imagination (which includes the DC Comic book realm). Also the readers of comic books are the Brother Eye (so to speak) that are always montioring the events of the comic book realm.


I will be extremely dissappointed if this is not the way it turns out.

[The BatDude]

OH MY GOD! I actually comprehend what you just said! :eek:


So really the barrier is between the real world (our world) and the world of imagination (which includes the DC Comic book realm). Also the readers of comic books are the Brother Eye (so to speak) that are always montioring the events of the comic book realm.


I will be extremely dissappointed if this is not the way it turns out.
damn so this whole crisis is just symbolism

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd really hate for Infinite Crisis to turn out that way. Breaking the fourth wall is best left to comedy books, in my opinion.

[The Leaguer]

Wait, Infinite Crisis isn't a comedy book?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, it's not. I understand how it could be confused for one, though, with Superboy Prime's dialogue consisting mainly of "lol u guys make me bad by hitting my fists and dying omg stop."

[The Leaguer]

Hey, I, for one, felt for Superboy. I mean, wherever that guy tried to put his fist, someone's head was there! The poor guy!

[Lackey]

I'd really hate for Infinite Crisis to turn out that way. Breaking the fourth wall is best left to comedy books, in my opinion.


best left for comedy books and writers like Alan Moore and Grant Morrison




Bendis didn't do to shabby with breaking the fourth wall either :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I forgot about Morrison's Animal Man. I hated everything about that Sentry arc, though, so Bendis doesn't get any points. Anyway, breaking the fourth wall still doesn't work well as the payoff to a huge comic book event like Infinite Crisis to me.

[Lackey]

Yeah, I forgot about Morrison's Animal Man. I hated everything about that Sentry arc, though, so Bendis doesn't get any points. Anyway, breaking the fourth wall still doesn't work well as the payoff to a huge comic book event like Infinite Crisis to me.


I never read Sentry... I was talking about Alias



I wouldn't be completely opposed to it, but it would be very hard to do and very easy to mess up. I really don't think they're going to go that way, though.

[Darthphere]

If its an infinite crisis, it would never end.....therefore, theres no way to end it.:up:

[Tamanon]

It sounds like a very great idea breaking the fourth wall, but it's a bit too ambitious for DC to do. Remember they're trying to make the universe a bit more accessible here also, destroying the suspension of disbelief might counteract that. Plus I dunno how they'd actually get the payoff to work, haha.

[TheCorpulent1]

I never read Sentry... I was talking about Alias
I've never read Alias, but it's not a mainstream superhero book so I could see Bendis pulling anything off pretty well in it. :up:

[Anubis]

Wait a minute, he broke the fourth wall in alias? When?

[TimDrake64x]

i wouldnt like that. i read comcis not only because they r good stories but because they r a good escape from reality because they r so fantastical. making it more realistic would kinda contradict comics imo

[TheCorpulent1]

Wait a minute, he broke the fourth wall in alias? When?
That issue you missed. Remember the one after that gap in your collection that opens with Jessica holding a hammer amidst a bunch of debris? Yeah, the one before that.

[Anubis]

Damnit! I knew buying that True life blow up doll was gonna come back and bite me in the @$$! :mad: I just had to have it! "Oh, I can miss a couple of issue, i'm sure it wont matter in the long run." Stupid! :mad: :o

[Lackey]

Wait a minute, he broke the fourth wall in alias? When?


the last story arc... It's not to the same extent as Morrison's Animal Man, but you even got the Purple Man reciting the script word for word.

http://www.impulsecreations.net/catalog/images/alias4.jpg



Also...speaking of breaking the fourth wall - CBR pointed out an interesting similarity

http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/dccomics/52/5212_x_Page_6.jpg

http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=litg/20060306/animalman19.jpg

[regwec]

Do you think that lazy journalists on Gotham's rags might continually confuse The Riddler and The Question, leading to unease amongst law-abiding citizens?

More importantly, does The Riddler have any patents on the ? symbol when used as an article of superhero/villain heraldry? If so, could be see The Question sued for intellectual property theft?

[The Leaguer]

Now that you mention it, that page from 52 where the Question paints the question mark on the Bat-signal gives me bad Batman Forever flashbacks.

[regwec]

Oh, yes.

*scratches out eyes*

[fifthfiend]

Now that you mention it, that page from 52 where the Question paints the question mark on the Bat-signal gives me bad Batman Forever flashbacks.

You know I'm pretty sure there are actually some states where that is considered legally actionable.

[Darthphere]

Now that you mention it, that page from 52 where the Question paints the question mark on the Bat-signal gives me bad Batman Forever flashbacks.


At leats its not the Bat-Robin signal from Batman and Robin.:down

[Doomed_hero]

Just read issue #5 and I loved it of course. I can already see how its going to come together. Kyle and the people in space have a plan to do something to close the portal or atlest get rid of Alex's hands. Then Batman and his group will take down Brother Eye allowing Dick and Conner to get into Alex's base and do some damage. I really can't wait.

The teaming of Nightwing and Superboy is just great and smart in my opioin. These two are the future World's Finest since Conner has always wanted to be and as much as Dick won't admit it, he feels he will be Batman one day to. Plus I don't see Timm becoming Batman. But this series is doing what I thought it would, focus more on the next generation of heroes.

[Tamanon]

Holy crap! I just was rereading Titans Tomorrow. There's a page explaining the Legion and Titans sending the Fatal 500 back where they came from. It all joshes together when you read Brainiac saying "No. It's a localized effect. The UNIVERSES are fine. It's us that's been cut loose. That wasn't in my calculations." and I think it's Invisible Kid who says "There's some other force out there....something that's pounding against reality"....

Guess Superboy Prime affected that plotline too, amazing what wee nuggets are littered about.

[The Watchman]

the last story arc... It's not to the same extent as Morrison's Animal Man, but you even got the Purple Man reciting the script word for word.

http://www.impulsecreations.net/catalog/images/alias4.jpg



Also...speaking of breaking the fourth wall - CBR pointed out an interesting similarity

http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=previews/dccomics/52/5212_x_Page_6.jpg

http://comicbookresources.com/news/preview.php?image=litg/20060306/animalman19.jpg

There was some great inter-racial buttsex in that book, Alias rocked.

[Anubis]

Oh yeah, now I remember.

[raybia]

It sounds like a very great idea breaking the fourth wall, but it's a bit too ambitious for DC to do. Remember they're trying to make the universe a bit more accessible here also, destroying the suspension of disbelief might counteract that. Plus I dunno how they'd actually get the payoff to work, haha.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall

Interesting.

[fifthfiend]

It sounds like a very great idea breaking the fourth wall, but it's a bit too ambitious for DC to do. Remember they're trying to make the universe a bit more accessible here also, destroying the suspension of disbelief might counteract that. Plus I dunno how they'd actually get the payoff to work, haha.

Yeah but I mean at this point, has there been anything in Infinite Crisis that would fit the definition of making the DCU "more accessible"?

You've got Superboy ripping people's heads off on accident and an old Supes who sounds like someone's Scotched-up grandpa *****ing about these young Supermans nowadays goin' around getting killed by monsters, meanwhile some jerk calling himself Alex Luthor is strapping big-tittied girls to a giant space-dildo. Meanwhile old Wonderwoman's telling young Wonderwoman how killin' people is okay as long as you feel bad about it and Batman, well, who the crap knows what's going on with Batman?

I don't know what the **** is going on and I've been reading DC Comics for 10 years, I cannot even imagine what any newcomer is going to make of this ****.

[Doc Destruction]

Yeah but I mean at this point, has there been anything in Infinite Crisis that would fit the definition of making the DCU "more accessible"?

You've got Superboy ripping people's heads off on accident and an old Supes who sounds like someone's Scotched-up grandpa *****ing about these young Supermans nowadays goin' around getting killed by monsters, meanwhile some jerk calling himself Alex Luthor is strapping big-tittied girls to a giant space-dildo. Meanwhile old Wonderwoman's telling young Wonderwoman how killin' people is okay as long as you feel bad about it and Batman, well, who the crap knows what's going on with Batman?

I don't know what the **** is going on and I've been reading DC Comics for 10 years, I cannot even imagine what any newcomer is going to make of this ****.

Wow. That might be the worst description of a comic book plot I've ever read. My eyes are bleeding.

[Darthphere]

Yeah but I mean at this point, has there been anything in Infinite Crisis that would fit the definition of making the DCU "more accessible"?

You've got Superboy ripping people's heads off on accident and an old Supes who sounds like someone's Scotched-up grandpa *****ing about these young Supermans nowadays goin' around getting killed by monsters, meanwhile some jerk calling himself Alex Luthor is strapping big-tittied girls to a giant space-dildo. Meanwhile old Wonderwoman's telling young Wonderwoman how killin' people is okay as long as you feel bad about it and Batman, well, who the crap knows what's going on with Batman?

I don't know what the **** is going on and I've been reading DC Comics for 10 years, I cannot even imagine what any newcomer is going to make of this ****.


The book is obviously not for newcomers, but the the titles that unfold from it, the OYL titles are. Wow, you missed the point.

[Green Lantern]

I don't know what the **** is going on and I've been reading DC Comics for 10 years, I cannot even imagine what any newcomer is going to make of this ****.Maybe if you read the book rather than looked at the pretty pictures in it, you would? :confused: Because if you READ it you'd know theres more to it than "Alexander Luther is strapping big tittied girls to a giant dildo." :rolleyes:

[fifthfiend]

Wow. That might be the worst description of a comic book plot I've ever read. My eyes are bleeding.

No, you're right.

That should have been "A giant space dildo with an Anti-Monitor in the battery slot."

My bad.

The book is obviously not for newcomers, but the the titles that unfold from it, the OYL titles are. Wow, you missed the point.

Except that I was responding to someone else's comment that they wouldn't break the fourth wall in Infinite Crisis in the name of accessibility.

But hey, better luck next time.

Because if you READ it you'd know theres more to it than "Alexander Luther is strapping big tittied girls to a giant dildo."

Well, yeah, it's actually even sillier.

Plus the space-dildo thing might actually have been kind of cool.

[raybia]

...and Batman, well, who the crap knows what's going on with Batman?



He's brooding.;)

[Darthphere]

Except that I was responding to someone else's comment that they wouldn't break the fourth wall in Infinite Crisis in the name of accessibility.

But hey, better luck next time.


The point is, its not their fault you have no understanding of whats going on.:up:

[raybia]

Can anyone please speculate on how they think this is going to end?


It looks as though Alex's motivation for bringing back the multiverse is to either find or create the perfect world. We also know that the perfect world is a world without a Superman. Also Alex theorizes that Superman is the key for some reason. Also once Alex finds the perfect Earth, THEN WHAT? The place he came from supposedly was more perfect than any Earth, even a perfect one.

The reason IMO why Superman is the key is that the perfect Earth (our Earth) is the home to Supeman's creators (Joe Shuster, Jerry Siegel).

I just cannot figure out so far where DC is going with this.

[LadyVader]

A comic book character searching for the real world. That would be so priceless, since we fantasize about leaving in a world with superheroes all the time. :)

[raybia]

A comic book character searching for the real world.

Hey, it already happened in a movie.

[LadyVader]

What movie was that?

[raybia]

What movie was that?


The Matrix.

[fifthfiend]

The Matrix.

Heh, I see what you did there.

[raybia]

Heh, I see what you did there.


What? :confused:

[LadyVader]

I thought the Matrix was just about people looking cool in leather. :)

[raybia]

I thought the Matrix was just about people looking cool in leather. :)


But in the real world they looked like sh**

[LadyVader]

This reminds me of a situation i was recently in, where I was looking at some Matrix toys.....uh, I mean paraphenelia! and the only one i liked was a Morpheus figurine. He was sitting in his armchair, looking all relaxed and a guy I showed it too asked me:
"This is the one you want?"
"Yup"
"Why?"
"Cause I like it. Why else?"
"You sure it isn't because he's black ?"

I was literally speechless because the question was so absurd. The thought had never crossed my mind. I don't even think of Morpheus as a black guy. He's just Morpheus. :)

[raybia]

This reminds me of a situation i was recently in, where I was looking at some Matrix toys.....uh, I mean paraphenelia! and the only one i liked was a Morpheus figurine. He was sitting in his armchair, looking all relaxed and a guy I showed it too asked me:
"This is the one you want?"
"Yup"
"Why?"
"Cause I like it. Why else?"
"You sure it isn't because he's black ?"

I was literally speechless because the question was so absurd. The thought had never crossed my mind. I don't even think of Morpheus as a black guy. He's just Morpheus. :)


Its funny that the role of Neo was originally offered to Will Smith. As a black guy, my response to this is, "HELL NO!" Sorry.

I thought Keanu was great and owned the role.

[LadyVader]

In the first one he was perfect because he was basically just as clueless as the rest of the audience and we could easily identify with him. If there's one look Keanu can pull off, it's clueless.

In Reloaded and Revolutions he was already pretty stiff, but I can't say anything overtly bad about his performance. It's not like anybody went to the Matrix movies to see good acting.

[Green Lantern]

Hey fifthfiend, you say you've been reading DC for ten years and can't understand it? I know someone who's been reading DC for less than two years and understands it perfectly, explain that?

[LadyVader]

He understands the stuff he's reading, the characters he has been following for the past 2 years, but the DCU is a very complex machinery, with tons of history, and anybody that says he or she understands how all the bits and pieces work and mesh together... is either underestimating the machine or overestimating himself.

[rnewbz]

I just got back into DC after I had left for like four years and went to marvel. I started back in DC in november and I get everything. I just read all the boards and went to wikipedia to catch up.

[raybia]

Can anyone please speculate on how they think this is going to end?


It looks as though Alex's motivation for bringing back the multiverse is to either find or create the perfect world. We also know that the perfect world is a world without a Superman. Also Alex theorizes that Superman is the key for some reason. Also once Alex finds the perfect Earth, THEN WHAT? The place he came from supposedly was more perfect than any Earth, even a perfect one.

The reason IMO why Superman is the key is that the perfect Earth (our Earth) is the home to Supeman's creators (Joe Shuster, Jerry Siegel).

I just cannot figure out so far where DC is going with this.

Come on. Any takers? Someone has to have a clue on where this thing is going.

[rnewbz]

Come on. Any takers? Someone has to have a clue on where this thing is going.


I think that on the perfect earth there would have to be villinas, because heroes can't exist without villians. Well if Alex creates the perfect Earth tere will be no need for villinas. Maybe he'll convince most of the heroes to go here through the power of Physco Pirate. The heroes go here and before they realize there's no need for them. Alex will turn on his machine and destrot that earth, using Earth one as a haven for villians. Maybe Alex does'nt want a perfect Earth for himself, maybe he's tired of heroes taking the spotlight, maybe he wants a world where villians can run amok. Everyone on this new perfect earth is about to be destryed, when both supermen realize what's happening and destroy the anti-monitor machine
and superman from Earth two sacrafices himself. Then superboy gets back from his mission with Nightwing and has a battle royal with superboy prime who has been destroying cities in Earth one. Superboy destroys superboy prime, and learns the true meaning of being a hero and wears a costume with pride, and realizes he controlls his fate not luther. Alex shaves his head, completing his turn into a true luthor. The heroes on the perfect Earth are now free fome the world which was like the paradise where alex was previously prisoner. Alex is destroyed resulting in a cosmic burst and all the earth colide into one another forming one earth and the darkness that hung over the earth was Alex the whole time. So the heroes realize their mistakes and become the heroes they prevoulsly were,only better. Some of the younger heroes thought the darkness in their hearts was better for fighting crime, causing a rift between young heroes and new heroes....and then 52.

Fingers...so tired. You've got your answer are you happy now?:)
P.S. iHOPE THE STORY DOES'NT TURN OUT AS SUCKY AS THIS ONE, BUT I WAS PRESSED FOR TIME.

[BrianWilly]

I'd like to think that I understand all of this perfectly, but then again I've been a pretty obsessive DC-detail freak for the last year or so.

I do think that people who are all "This is so hard to understand! It's so confusing! It doesn't make any sense!" are a bit overexaggerating things. I mean...come on. You may not catch every character nuance and the sideplots might seem out of the blue most of the time and the sheer amount of characters and sideplots might boggle the mind, but the main story, stripped of all the excess DCU characters, is honestly not that hard to understand. Bad guys are bringing back Multiple Earths because they think the current Earth is too dark and corrupt. There. End of recap.

[droogiedroogie2]

Yeah but I mean at this point, has there been anything in Infinite Crisis that would fit the definition of making the DCU "more accessible"?

You've got Superboy ripping people's heads off on accident and an old Supes who sounds like someone's Scotched-up grandpa *****ing about these young Supermans nowadays goin' around getting killed by monsters, meanwhile some jerk calling himself Alex Luthor is strapping big-tittied girls to a giant space-dildo. Meanwhile old Wonderwoman's telling young Wonderwoman how killin' people is okay as long as you feel bad about it and Batman, well, who the crap knows what's going on with Batman?

I don't know what the **** is going on and I've been reading DC Comics for 10 years, I cannot even imagine what any newcomer is going to make of this ****.Gee, you'd think that if a guy hated Infinite Crisis, he just wouldn't post here.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

in the end the answer will be 42.

[That-Guy]

in the end the answer will be 42.

42 now?!!! You're telling me after all the money DC is going to make me waste buying all the issues of 52, there's going to be another series after that that's 42 issues long! AAAAGGGHHHH!!!

:D

[The Caped Knight]

Guys check this out, I found this on The Web.

Here is a summary of The Infinite Crisis story so far Colour coded, chronological,

Check it out , this is really cool. It covers everything that has happend so far .

http://209.235.210.197/ICrisis.htm

[Lackey]

lots better than this one (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=98613)... very cool :up:

[droogiedroogie2]

Guys check this out, I found this on The Web.

Here is a summary of The Infinite Crisis story so far Colour coded, chronological,

Check it out , this is really cool. It covers everything that has happend so far .

http://209.235.210.197/ICrisis.htmWhat's the "Villains Uniting" thing he talked about? It mentions Outsiders and JSA and Titans or something, which issues was it in?

[BrianWilly]

I thought it was pretty self-explanatory. During a Teen Titans arc -- issues 21-23 to be exact -- the Titans fought Dr. Light who wound up in Deathstroke's imitation Batplane. The Outsiders arc revealed why Deathstroke was dressed up like Batman; he was pretending to be Batman in order to fool Arsenal and become the team's benefactor. And around this time, in the pages of JSA, Black Adam was invited into the Society.

[DavidTyler]

in the end the answer will be 42.

LOL


So long and thanks for the fish!

[raybia]

LOL


So long and thanks for the fish!

LMAO! :) :up:

[droogiedroogie2]

I thought it was pretty self-explanatory. During a Teen Titans arc -- issues 21-23 to be exact -- the Titans fought Dr. Light who wound up in Deathstroke's imitation Batplane. The Outsiders arc revealed why Deathstroke was dressed up like Batman; he was pretending to be Batman in order to fool Arsenal and become the team's benefactor. And around this time, in the pages of JSA, Black Adam was invited into the Society.Yeah, like which issues of Outsiders and JSA?

[Darthphere]

Im sure someone has posted this before but just in case.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/blackjack60/JLA35pg.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's been posted before. Chilling and stuff.

[Darthphere]

So, whats the general consensus on the new Teen Titans line-up, who's in, who's out?

[GoldenAgeHero]

we dont know? ravager is on the team and i think kid devil is on there(i think he's freakin lame). if bart doesnt return, im dropping TT. and replacing it with the day of vengeance spinoff.

[TheCorpulent1]

So, whats the general consensus on the new Teen Titans line-up, who's in, who's out?
I'm putting my money on Robin, Wonder Girl, and Beast Boy still being in the comic. :up:

[Nightwing]

So, whats the general consensus on the new Teen Titans line-up, who's in, who's out?

Robin and Wonder Girl have been confirmed to still be on the current TT team.

[Darth Wolverine]

Beast Boy will probably move to the new Doom Patrol (maybe even starting it himself), maybe with Raven?

[GoldenAgeHero]

i still think theres going to be a company like team. three subdivisions.teen titans east,west, and doom patrol. robin leading east,wondergirl-west, and beast boy- doom patrol. three seperate books- a month full of goodiness.

[The BatDude]

Im sure someone has posted this before but just in case.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/blackjack60/JLA35pg.jpgo the irony

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Beatlemax.png

[Brian Braddock]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/blackjack60/JLA35pg.jpg

I'm torn between being gutted for Ted........and loving that Adam Hughes artwork.

[The BatDude]

is it weird that every time i read Infinite Crisis reminds me Powerman 5000 - When Worlds Collide

[Darthphere]

is it weird that every time i read Infinite Crisis reminds me Powerman 5000 - When Worlds Collide


Yes.:o

[drastic_quench]

Yes, The BatDude. That was the point.

[The BatDude]

i thought it was based on the scifi book When Worlds Collide same thing with Iron Madien

[TimDrake64x]

i duno, but it is a good song, i only remember it from tony hawk pro skater

[Assassin]

when does issue 6 come out?

[Emerald Knight]

according to the DC website...the last Wednesday of March.

but the Infinite Crises Secret Files should be out this coming Wednesday. :D

[Assassin]

Thanks

[rnewbz]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/blackjack60/JLA35pg.jpg

I'm torn between being gutted for Ted........and loving that Adam Hughes artwork.


Is that the same Max there talking about, or is it just coincidence.

[The Leaguer]

Same one.

[Anubis]

Same Max.

[The Leaguer]

Ha HA!

[Anubis]

Must be nice to have a life so empty that beating a guy to an answer on a message board can bring you such joy. :)

[The Leaguer]

Why, yes, it is.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it was about Mad Max. He'd totally cripple Blue Beetle if Blue Beetle were holding out on some fuel. :o

[Assassin]

prob the lamest thing you have ever said corp. It takes a true friend to be honest :up:

[The Leaguer]

Ooooooh, burn!

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't even know what just happened. :confused:

[The Leaguer]

Yeah, that's your mind repressing the memory.

[Assassin]

grab a beer, you'll thank me later

[TheCorpulent1]

Am I the only one kind of creeped out by how far Booster appears to be turning his head in that pic?
grab a beer, you'll thank me later
Maybe if I knew what the hell you were talking about. Instead, I'm just confused. Hence --> :confused:

[TimDrake64x]

wow this thread has really gone to hell

[Anubis]

It'll get better by wednesday.

[Assassin]

I thought it was about Mad Max. He'd totally cripple Blue Beetle if Blue Beetle were holding out on some fuel. :o

I was just saying this was the Lamest comment you have ever said on SHH.

And Lame comments isnt something that you're good at, so i was letting you know that you were stooping to my level :p

[TheCorpulent1]

I've said much, much lamer.

[The Leaguer]

All the time, actually.

[TimDrake64x]

doesnt the secret files stuff come out wednesday

[TheCorpulent1]

Perhaps...
according to the DC website...the last Wednesday of March.

but the Infinite Crises Secret Files should be out this coming Wednesday.

[droogiedroogie2]

Am I the only one kind of creeped out by how far Booster appears to be turning his head in that pic?No, it's really more that his lips and posture somehow combine to make him look incredibly feminine.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, there's that, too. Seriously, though, it looks like he's one nervous twitch away from snapping his head completely around, just for kicks.

[Doomed_hero]

i may be a little behind, but wasnt a main DC all star going to die during Crisis or was that just a rumor? Cause as far as i am concerned, Flash didn't really die.

[Anubis]

Series aint over yet.

[TimDrake64x]

ya and isnt a student supose to take over for their mentor? if so flash may be both of those. wally dies and bart takes over

[Anubis]

Well, Barry came back in issue 5. Maybe he dies agian.

[Doomed_hero]

I was thinking Donna Troy was going to take over for WW. But after seeing the One Year later Preview pic I am unsure now.

[TimDrake64x]

i think somehow conner has to be changed major by the end of crisis, just the way they are being so quiet about him, but i dont think they will kill him. i am very interested to see what happens to conner oyl

[boywondernerdDC]

i'm really excited for these final issues of the crisis

[Assassin]

If conner becomes a mega villian, i'd be pissed, but i'd kinda enjoy it.

[That-Guy]

I don't think Conner will become a villain. I don't really see why he would at this point... especially considering we already have a Superboy who has pretty much become a villain now, and as we've already seen, he's a lot deadlier than Conner.

[The Caped Knight]

i'm really excited for these final issues of the crisis

Me too, I want to see Infinite Crisis End .

[Assassin]

dont we all?

[GoldenAgeHero]

man, i really want to see superboy prime either kick conner's arse all over again or kill him. IC 4 was just so awesome, i wanna see it all over again,but deadlier.

[Assassin]

dont hate the Playa hate Jplaya!

[The_Mystery]

I hope Conner decides to use the a variation of the Superman uniform. I hate the jeans and t-shirt look.

[stillanerd]

One Year Later quiz update:

2. Which one of these super heroes will be stripped of their powers?

A)Superman--confirmed at the end of Superman #650
B)Wonder Woman
C)Supergirl
D)Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

[raybia]

One Year Later quiz update:

2. Which one of these super heroes will be stripped of their powers?

A)Superman--confirmed at the end of Superman #650



Really? What happened? Superman's powers comes from his Kryptonian DNA. How can they be stripped unless altered at the molecular level?

[fifthfiend]

Really? What happened? Superman's powers comes from his Kryptonian DNA. How can they be stripped unless altered at the molecular level?

Easy, by changing things all the way down on the contrived bull**** level.

They did it with Electro-Superman, and they can do it again.

[Tamanon]

To be fair, we don't know HOW he loses his powers yet. Or if Superman and Clark Kent aren't just separate for right now.....

[Darthphere]

To be fair, we don't know HOW he loses his powers yet. Or if Superman and Clark Kent aren't just separate for right now.....


Wow, thats stupid.:up:



*Note, insult was not directed at poster but the idea.:up:

[Green Lantern]

man, i really want to see superboy prime either kick conner's arse all over again or kill him. IC 4 was just so awesome, i wanna see it all over again,but deadlier.So you just want to see the same thing over and over? :rolleyes:

[raybia]

Wow, thats stupid.:up:



*Note, insult was not directed at poster but the idea.:up:


Yeah, that is totally ridiculous. Just like Superman III was.:mad:

[The_Mystery]

Does anybody have a list of the Wizard IC questions from awhile back along with as many answers that have come about?

[Darthphere]

Yeah, that is totally ridiculous. Just like Superman III was.:mad:


Superman III doesnt exist anymore, its a figment of our imaginations.

[fifthfiend]

To be fair, we don't know HOW he loses his powers yet. Or if Superman and Clark Kent aren't just separate for right now.....

They did that one too, Mark Waid wrote it, it was in JLA, it was great for exactly the length of the three issues it took 'em to do it and the last thing anyone needs is to see them do it again.

[regwec]

Superman Returns is the new Superman III.

Read that how you will.

[fifthfiend]

Superman Returns is the new Superman III.

Read that how you will.

Sounds about right, really.

The Pryor / Spacey tradeoff is not, I think, to its credit.

[WormyT]

God dammit I can't for the 29th!
That last image from IC#5 of SBP with the red eyes and monitor gear is haunting. Heres a psycho teen more powerful than earth one Superman.
Terrifying character.

[GoldenAgeHero]

So you just want to see the same thing over and over? :rolleyes:

no this time i wanna see him die.

[Darthphere]

no this time i wanna see him die.


Thats funny because....no wait too easy.

[The_Mystery]

Didn't they push IC #6 back until april?

[Darthphere]

Didn't they push IC #6 back until april?


Shut the **** up.:mad: :down

[SouLeSS]

I want to see SBP go crazy and just tear up a bunch of people like he did in IC4. He just smacked the head off, and ripped the arm off. Thats ultimate badass right there folks.

[Green Lantern]

no this time i wanna see him die.Why are you so determined to see a good character die? Honestly, were you happy when Hawkeye died, because I almost guarantee that Conner's death would elicit the same response from DC fans that Clint's death did from Marvel fans.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Thats funny because....no wait too easy.

it was easy becasue it was the "best" joke you can think of.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Why are you so determined to see a good character die? Honestly, were you happy when Hawkeye died, because I almost guarantee that Conner's death would elicit the same response from DC fans that Clint's death did from Marvel fans.

ah well.

[Green Lantern]

Ah well what? Way to answer my question.

[Darthphere]

it was easy becasue it was the "best" joke you can think of.


Good one.:up:

[Assassin]

no this time i wanna see him die.

I wanna se you die...

:O

[GoldenAgeHero]

Ah well what? Way to answer my question.

ah well as in i dont give damn. i didnt care for hawkeye and i wont care for conner if he dies either.

[Green Lantern]

ah well as in i dont give damn. i didnt care for hawkeye and i wont care for conner if he dies either.Do you care for any characters? Do you even read comics for more than the purty pictures? It doesn't seem like you do.

[GoldenAgeHero]

yeah i waste 2.99 just to look at the pretty pictures:rolleyes:

[Assassin]

Krpton is higher than you on my Shh posters list

[Green Lantern]

yeah i waste 2.99 just to look at the pretty pictures:rolleyes:Seems like it. All you seem to rave about is how you want Superboy to die. If you want it that bad why don't you write your own fan fic?

[jaydawg]

Because that would require talent?

[Green Lantern]

Because that would require talent?Oh that's right. And intelligence. And creativity. My bad :o

[GoldenAgeHero]

Seems like it. All you seem to rave about is how you want Superboy to die. If you want it that bad why don't you write your own fan fic?


becasue i want it to be official so that i can see conner fans like you B*tch and moan and threaten to drop TT, and whine how much geoff johns suck.

[Assassin]

geoff johns could kill superman and make it a good story..so eff off

[GoldenAgeHero]

geoff johns could kill superman and make it a good story..so eff off



i cant seem to recall that i said geoff johns couldnt. nor was i saying he sucked. i was comparing to when bendis killed off hawkeye to what if johns killed conner scenario.

[Green Lantern]

becasue i want it to be official so that i can see conner fans like you B*tch and moan and threaten to drop TT, and whine how much geoff johns suck.Yes I'll b*tch and moan about it because I feel its unnecesary especially with the recent focus on developing Conner into a much more interesting character. Will I be pissed at Johns? No. Will I say he sucks? No. Will I threaten to drop Teen Titans? Not a chance in hell. Between issue #1 of The New Teen Titans in 1980 and the current issue, Teen Titans #33 in 2005; there are a total of 25 issues that I do not own. Those 25 are issues 2-24 of the Dan Jurgens era Teen Titans, and issues 27 and 28 (the infamous Rob Liefeld issues) of the current run.

I've seen favorite characters come and go before. Hell, I'm a big pre-Crisis Supergirl fan, do I hold a grudge against Wolfman for killing her? No, in fact, he's my all time favorite writer.

Don't make assumptions on people. Just because I don't want to see something, doesn't mean it will affect who my favorite writers are, or what series I collect.

[Anubis]

This is stupid.

Anybody get that Infinate Crisis Secret Files?

[Green Lantern]

Yeah I got it, but somehow missed Teen Titans Annual :(