The Infinite Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[GoldenAgeHero]

hahahaha oh the irony.

[Jono87]

Needless to say, SBP's fate is in the air, but I am finding a void when it comes to Alex's fate. Sure, hes down to 9 fingers, but can we assume that he met his maker along with the tower?

[Trigger]

Who knows what happened to Alex. He should be dead, but I wouldn't be surprised if he survived.

[I_am_budders]

I caved, this just sounds all too awesome. I'm bidding for all 6 on ebay, screw waiting for TPB lol.

[Green Lantern]

:up: Budders PM me and I can try to help you out

[Green Lantern]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8509/deaths3ix.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deaths3ix.jpg)
Wallpaper I just made.

[XFanTim]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8509/deaths3ix.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deaths3ix.jpg)
Wallpaper I just made.
Sweet :up:

[Green Lantern]

Thanks, took a long ass time... but I think its worth it

[That-Guy]

Hey GoldenAgeHero, I just have to ask, ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? :D You wanted to see Conner die at the hands of SBP, right? Well, now you have it. Sure, he may not have gotten curb-stomped or ripped to a million pieces, but he died.

I'm not knocking you man, I'm just surprised you didn't post the Hallelujah Chorus here after you read this issue.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Hey GoldenAgeHero, I just have to ask, ARE YOU HAPPY NOW? :D You wanted to see Conner die at the hands of SBP, right? Well, now you have it. Sure, he may not have gotten curb-stomped or ripped to a million pieces, but he died.

I'm not knocking you man, I'm just surprised you didn't post the Hallelujah Chorus here after you read this issue.

nah ive been on my conner rant for a while now i ecided to give it a break.

[LadyVader]

Yeah, now that it actually happened you probably feel your life is empty and meaningless. :)

[The Ether]

It's funny how Conner dies and everyone isn't going out of there way to say "KILL JOHNS" and stuff like when Bendis killed Hawkeye.

Tells you how good of a writer Geoff Johns is.:up:

[The Ether]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8509/deaths3ix.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deaths3ix.jpg)
Wallpaper I just made.Nice :up:

[UK_Stu]

It's funny how Conner dies and everyone isn't going out of there way to say "KILL JOHNS" and stuff like when Bendis killed Hawkeye.

Tells you how good of a writer Geoff Johns is.:up:

I'm not detracting from Johns ability, but I could have written a heroic death for Connor - which was all it needed to make it acceptable. The reason Hawkeye's death was unacceptable was the lame way he went out. If he'd gone down in a similar fashion to Connor, there would have been less complaints.

[The Ether]

To be honest, I want there to be a big fight next issue and not just all talk and somberness. So I actually hope that I'm a least a little wrong:O.
same here, whether it's Superboy Prime vs. the Trinity or Alex Luthor vs. The Trinity or Superboy Prime and Alex Luthor vs the Trinity. I want to see the end of it. It feels like waiting for the main event of a boxing match to come.

[The Ether]

I'm not detracting from Johns ability, but I could have written a heroic death for Connor - which was all it needed to make it acceptable. The reason Hawkeye's death was unacceptable was the lame way he went out. If he'd gone down in a similar fashion to Connor, there would have been less complaints.
and that's all due to how good a writer Johns is:)

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'm not detracting from Johns ability, but I could have written a heroic death for Connor - which was all it needed to make it acceptable. The reason Hawkeye's death was unacceptable was the lame way he went out. If he'd gone down in a similar fashion to Connor, there would have been less complaints.I agree I think Conner went out like a hero the only thing I have a problem with is that it would have been better if he killed SBP at the same time. Then for issue 7 instead of a huge fight with SBP we see the Trinty talking and we find out how Superman lost his powers and why Batman and Robin left as well as Wonder Woman.

[Ultimate_Superman]

It was nice I might add to see Superman and Batman sons again I thought that was cool.

[roach]

I'm not detracting from Johns ability, but I could have written a heroic death for Connor - which was all it needed to make it acceptable. The reason Hawkeye's death was unacceptable was the lame way he went out. If he'd gone down in a similar fashion to Connor, there would have been less complaints.


yes it is the manner in which they go out. Conner went out like a hero. Hawkeye went out like a witch with a "B".
Imagine if at the end of Return of the Jedi Vader throws the Emperor down the shaft and survives. "Now we can be a family" He says....But he trips over his cape and falls down the shaft too.

[Pksoze]

I agree I think Conner went out like a hero the only thing I have a problem with is that it would have been better if he killed SBP at the same time. Then for issue 7 instead of a huge fight with SBP we see the Trinty talking and we find out how Superman lost his powers and why Batman and Robin left as well as Wonder Woman.


No offense but I hope that doesn't happen.

Superman hasn't had his big moment yet.

Its time for Superman & Superboy Prime to fight.

And my guess why Superman loses his powers. Superboy Prime probably figures out a way to absorb Superman's powers through that solar collector of his.

Heroes talking about the ramifications in a special epilogue or in 52 is fine.

But for an issue 7 of something this big I want an epic fight not heroes navel gazing & talking about their feelings.

[Ultimate_Superman]

If we see Superman Batman and Wonder Woman in 52 it will have to be in the first issue because this series is not about them but letting the other guys step up.

[Ultimate_Superman]

yes it is the manner in which they go out. Conner went out like a hero. Hawkeye went out like a witch with a "B".
Imagine if at the end of Return of the Jedi Vader throws the Emperor down the shaft and survives. "Now we can be a family" He says....But he trips over his cape and falls down the shaft too.Great example of Hawkeye's death. LOL LOL LOL :D

[Green Lantern]

If we see Superman Batman and Wonder Woman in 52 it will have to be in the first issue because this series is not about them but letting the other guys step up.Just because the series isn't starring them doesn't mean they won't be in it... DiDio already said thats where to look for what happened to them in that year also.

[UK_Stu]

No offense but I hope that doesn't happen.

Superman hasn't had his big moment yet.

Its time for Superman & Superboy Prime to fight.

And my guess why Superman loses his powers. Superboy Prime probably figures out a way to absorb Superman's powers through that solar collector of his.

Heroes talking about the ramifications in a special epilogue or in 52 is fine.

But for an issue 7 of something this big I want an epic fight not heroes navel gazing & talking about their feelings.

Well it appears that at the end of issue 6, earth-2 superman is still about. I highly doubt he will be after #7. The way I see it going down - the only way anyone is powerful enough to take down SBP is if SM-E2 takes SM-E1's powers somehow and takes out SBP, dying himself in the process, leaving Superman powerless

[Tamanon]

Just because the series isn't starring them doesn't mean they won't be in it... DiDio already said thats where to look for what happened to them in that year also.

Actually DiDio also said they won't appear in 52 in a previous Q&A. So while we'll learn what happened to them, they won't appear.

If what he said actually comes to pass, lol.

[gildea]

It's funny how Conner dies and everyone isn't going out of there way to say "KILL JOHNS" and stuff like when Bendis killed Hawkeye.

Tells you how good of a writer Geoff Johns is.:up:


Or connor isn't as popular as hawkeye??

[The Ether]

I'm sure Connor is as popular as Hawkeye if not more.

[gildea]

I doubt it.

How many superboys have there been? He's as much a concept as a character.

There is only one hawkeye.

[Green Lantern]

Actually DiDio also said they won't appear in 52 in a previous Q&A. So while we'll learn what happened to them, they won't appear.

If what he said actually comes to pass, lol.As of last week:

Q: Where will we be able to follow the missing year of the Big 3, since they're not featured in 52?

DD: Where else, but 52, of course.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=65741

[The Ether]

I doubt it.

How many superboys have there been? He's as much a concept as a character.

There is only one hawkeye.
nuh uh, you say there's only one hawkeye, but there is also a green arrow who basically uses arrows like hawkeye

[Darthphere]

I doubt it.

How many superboys have there been? He's as much a concept as a character.

There is only one hawkeye.


Id say theyre about even in popularity. But Connor died a heroes death unlike, "Not like this, not like this" death of Hawkeye. Its not that they died, but how they died.

[Green Lantern]

nuh uh, you say there's only one hawkeye, but there is also a green arrow who basically uses arrows like hawkeyeIf you're going to use that defense then Hawkeye is another Green Arrow, considering Ollie predates Hawkeye by about 20 years.

[The Ether]

I guess that means theres more than one Green Arrow it seems.

[Green Lantern]

There've been several Green Arrows and heirs to Green Arrow:

Green Arrow and Speedy of Earth 2, Green Arrow I and Speedy I of Earth 1, Green Arrow II, Arsenal and Speedy II of Earth 1.

[The Ether]

Green Arrow II is Ollie's son right?

[gildea]

Id say theyre about even in popularity. But Connor died a heroes death unlike, "Not like this, not like this" death of Hawkeye. Its not that they died, but how they died.


Oddly enough they died pretty similarly.

They both flew into a bad guys "big machine of death" tm destroying in in the process.

To each their own :)

[Green Lantern]

Green Arrow II is Ollie's son right?Yes

[gildea]

nuh uh, you say there's only one hawkeye, but there is also a green arrow who basically uses arrows like hawkeye


uhuh there its all to their relative universes naturally. (there have been multiple superboys in dc and only one hawkeye in marvel)

as well you know.

[Green Lantern]

uhuh there its all to their relative universes naturally. (there have been multiple superboys in dc and only one hawkeye in marvel)

as well you know.There've been three Superboys. Conner and Clark and Clark Prime. There've been several timelines of the Clark version only because John Byrne's new post crisis origin f**ked over the Legion by robbing them of two of their most powerful members. We can thank Byrne for convuluting both the origins of Superboy and Supergirl.

[The Ether]

Ultimate Hawkeye and 616 Hawkeye doesn't make one hawkeye

[roach]

Oddly enough they died pretty similarly.

They both flew into a bad guys "big machine of death" tm destroying in in the process.

To each their own :)


Yet one screamed"Not like this" like a little B/witch while the other took out a villian that would have killed Nightwing and Wondergirl

[XFanTim]

Plus Superboy's death saved Earth-1 from destruction (by trashing Alex's tower), whereas Hawkeye helped defeat a bunch of invaders who would have disappeared anyway.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Plus Superboy's death saved Earth-1 from destruction (by trashing Alex's tower), whereas Hawkeye helped defeat a bunch of invaders who would have disappeared anyway.In other words Hawkeye died for no reason.

[XFanTim]

In other words Hawkeye died for no reason.
pretty much

[roach]

because Bendis thought a guy who shoots arrows was lame.....someone tell Legolas

[twylight]

because Bendis thought a guy who shoots arrows was lame.....someone tell Legolas

Leave the Elve out of this. :o


;)

[Green Lantern]

Singular is Elf Twy ;)

[Ultimate_Superman]

If that was his reason I would love to see what he does to GA. He would proably have had him killed off by some husband who came home early and saw him in bed with his wife.

[twylight]

If that was his reason I would love to see what he does to GA. He would proably have had him killed off by some husband who came home early and saw him in bed with his wife.

That's overdue. :up:

[BrianWilly]

Oddly enough they died pretty similarly.

They both flew into a bad guys "big machine of death" tm destroying in in the process.

To each their own :)You can't be serious. A blind man could see the difference between Superboy and Hawkeye's deaths.

Hawkeye flew into a fake spaceship with his ass on fire and exploded, wasting himself in a completely pointless manner considering that, as has been pointed out over and over again by readers and writers alike, he could have just taken off the damn quiver...and no one has been able to give a good reason as to why he didn't.

Superboy tackled face-to-face the most powerful villain in existence, defeated two of the greatest threats to his entire universe, and saved every possible Earth that could have ever existed.

The only comparison is a superficial one. Let's face it: at far as crappy death scenes go, Hawkeye set the bar very, very high.

[Trigger]

Actually the crappiest death award goes to Unus the Untouchable who suffocated inside his own forcfield.:o

[TimDrake64x]

lol that is prett bad

[Darthphere]

You can't be serious. A blind man could see the difference between Superboy and Hawkeye's deaths.

Hawkeye flew into a fake spaceship with his ass on fire and exploded, wasting himself in a completely pointless manner considering that, as has been pointed out over and over again by readers and writers alike, he could have just taken off the damn quiver...and no one has been able to give a good reason as to why he didn't.

Superboy tackled face-to-face the most powerful villain in existence, defeated two of the greatest threats to his entire universe, and saved every possible Earth that could have ever existed.

The only comparison is a superficial one. Let's face it: at far as crappy death scenes go, Hawkeye set the bar very, very high.


:up: :up: :up:

[gildea]

You can't be serious. A blind man could see the difference between Superboy and Hawkeye's deaths.

Hawkeye flew into a fake spaceship with his ass on fire and exploded, wasting himself in a completely pointless manner considering that, as has been pointed out over and over again by readers and writers alike, he could have just taken off the damn quiver...and no one has been able to give a good reason as to why he didn't.

Superboy tackled face-to-face the most powerful villain in existence, defeated two of the greatest threats to his entire universe, and saved every possible Earth that could have ever existed.

The only comparison is a superficial one. Let's face it: at far as crappy death scenes go, Hawkeye set the bar very, very high.


heh.

The reason given as not having enough time to take off all the quivers he was wearing and get them far enough away is fair enough IMO.

I agree the comparison is superficial mind you, only put it in for a giggle :)


Of course superboy probably hasn't defeated the two villains i should point out.

[Flonk]

Infinite Crisis is without a doubt one of the worst comics I've ever read. Not as bad as the original Crisis, but still pretty bad. And the fact that you have to buy the tie in comics to understand what's going on proves what a horrbly written, confusing mess this book is.

[The Batman]

Um...yeah. sure.

IC 6 was prett good. Conner had a great death and went out like a champ. It's amazing how far he's come. Batman's characterization was pretty good here to. Ivan Reis should draw a bat book as soon as possible...

[Darthphere]

Infinite Crisis is without a doubt one of the worst comics I've ever read. Not as bad as the original Crisis, but still pretty bad. And the fact that you have to buy the tie in comics to understand what's going on proves what a horrbly written, confusing mess this book is.


I like new users who just come in to start trouble.:up:

[The Batman]

I know. As if they actually matter....

[Green Lantern]

Infinite Crisis is without a doubt one of the worst comics I've ever read. Not as bad as the original Crisis, but still pretty bad. And the fact that you have to buy the tie in comics to understand what's going on proves what a horrbly written, confusing mess this book is.If you don't like it, don't buy it. You don't need all the crossover issues, but do they help maximize the experience? Yes. If you're going to come to a message board and b**ch about a series at least tell us why you are b**ching about it.

[Anubis]

I find it's always best to ignore people that come out of left field with s**t for no reason. No reason to start a thing that might end in bannings over nothing.

[gildea]

not the most constructive bit of criticism that..

[The Watchman]

Um...yeah. sure.

IC 6 was prett good. Conner had a great death and went out like a champ. It's amazing how far he's come. Batman's characterization was pretty good here to. Ivan Reis should draw a bat book as soon as possible...
Ivan Reis should draw everything ever, I love that man.

[The Batman]

yes. Forget GL, he should be on JLA or something. His Batman looks so freaking nice. His Superman looks exactly like Supes should look like. His chicks are good looking without cheesecake.

[The BatDude]

Ivan Reis's art in Rann/Thanagar War was fantastic :up: :up:

[Pksoze]

I find it's always best to ignore people that come out of left field with s**t for no reason. No reason to start a thing that might end in bannings over nothing.


This is why I prefer this board to Newsarama or the snake pit that is the DC boards.

Those boards have 5 post wonders starting idiotic threads & trouble how they hate a particular series or think its ridiculous.

[The Ether]

Reis is amazing. One of the most versatile artist I have seen. Reis can draw dynamic scenes like in rann/thanagar and IC comparable to Jim Lee, and he can do simple scenes without trying to hard. Oh and yeah he can make girls look hot without the cheesecake:up:

[The Batman]

This is why I prefer this board to Newsarama or the snake pit that is the DC boards.

Those boards have 5 post wonders starting idiotic threads & trouble how they hate a particular series or think its ridiculous.

DC Boards are a cesspool. Especially the GL Boards. If they had half the control this board has, the whole hal/kyle thing wouldve been over with long ago.

[Heretic]

A few things because Ive been silent through most of this conversation...

I havent bought a "mainstream" comic book in many many years. The last few I bought were the Gen 13 issue with bone in it and Madman/Superman and before that youd have to go back a few more years...

The point is, I'm buying everything Infinite Crisis-related...and I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON!! I may not know a darn thing about half the characters I've seen, but I'm fine with that. It is not as confusing as people like to claim.

Also, if anyone could scan JUST the page of Superboys death then that would be cool. I stole that dudes background image thing as my Myspace background but Id like to give the whole background over to Superboy.

Superboy Prime is acting like a typical would in 2006 under those circumstances. I think his characterization is just one of many brilliant things about this series. I'm trying to go back and collect all the old tie ins from years past and its just amazing to me how well thought out this book has been. Geoff Johns is doing and amazing job on this series.

Im now a DC mark, I will be collecting half the DC line before this is over...and I have NEVER bought a DC comic prior to Identity Crisis...NEVER!

In other words, mission accomplished DC!

[Fledermaus]

Here you go Heretic
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/Sam655321/deadSuperboy.jpg

[Pksoze]

DC Boards are a cesspool. Especially the GL Boards. If they had half the control this board has, the whole hal/kyle thing wouldve been over with long ago.

Yeah they're pretty lame every thread this _____ is ridiculous. Or this writer/artist stinks.

I used to post there back in the day as well, as there was a time where it was cool.

However its sad because it seems like half the posters don't even like DC and use it as an excuse to praise Marvel(btw I like Marvel for those that think I'm bashing it, though I'm a DC guy).

[Pksoze]

A few things because Ive been silent through most of this conversation...

I havent bought a "mainstream" comic book in many many years. The last few I bought were the Gen 13 issue with bone in it and Madman/Superman and before that youd have to go back a few more years...

The point is, I'm buying everything Infinite Crisis-related...and I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON!! I may not know a darn thing about half the characters I've seen, but I'm fine with that. It is not as confusing as people like to claim.

Also, if anyone could scan JUST the page of Superboys death then that would be cool. I stole that dudes background image thing as my Myspace background but Id like to give the whole background over to Superboy.

Superboy Prime is acting like a typical would in 2006 under those circumstances. I think his characterization is just one of many brilliant things about this series. I'm trying to go back and collect all the old tie ins from years past and its just amazing to me how well thought out this book has been. Geoff Johns is doing and amazing job on this series.

Im now a DC mark, I will be collecting half the DC line before this is over...and I have NEVER bought a DC comic prior to Identity Crisis...NEVER!

In other words, mission accomplished DC!


I read Crisis of Infinite earths when I was 10 years old back in 1989. I'd never seen half of these characters before but I got the story though there wasn't nearly the explanation that Johns provides in Infinite Crisis.

Johns explains the Space team's purpose
Alexander & Superboy Prime's purpose
The 4 minis that lead to Infinite Crisis
The multiverse

Plus with One year later the fans don't even half to worry about tie ins to the story.

So the people who are allegedly confused really shouldn't be.

[Shadowknight]

DC Boards are a cesspool. Especially the GL Boards. If they had half the control this board has, the whole hal/kyle thing wouldve been over with long ago.
Same thing applies to the Firestorm boards. Neverending Jason vs. Ronnie debate, even though the current writer has thrown in everything BUT Ronnie from the old series. There are posters who are proud to not buy the book, then free read it in stores for the sole purpose of being able to bash it on the messageboard.

[Phoney Bone]

Ivan Reis rocks my socks. I used to not like him (moron) I thought he was a rip-off of Mike McKone???? Haha, I've wisened up though. He can draw pretty much anything I think!

[ToddIsDead]

Great issue! I'm not one who would normally cheer out loud over a comic but I found myself doing it with this issue. Conner taking on Superboy Prime was awesome. The whole issue was really good.

[BrianWilly]

A few things because Ive been silent through most of this conversation...

I havent bought a "mainstream" comic book in many many years. The last few I bought were the Gen 13 issue with bone in it and Madman/Superman and before that youd have to go back a few more years...

The point is, I'm buying everything Infinite Crisis-related...and I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON!! I may not know a darn thing about half the characters I've seen, but I'm fine with that. It is not as confusing as people like to claim.

Also, if anyone could scan JUST the page of Superboys death then that would be cool. I stole that dudes background image thing as my Myspace background but Id like to give the whole background over to Superboy.

Superboy Prime is acting like a typical would in 2006 under those circumstances. I think his characterization is just one of many brilliant things about this series. I'm trying to go back and collect all the old tie ins from years past and its just amazing to me how well thought out this book has been. Geoff Johns is doing and amazing job on this series.

Im now a DC mark, I will be collecting half the DC line before this is over...and I have NEVER bought a DC comic prior to Identity Crisis...NEVER!

In other words, mission accomplished DC!Thank you.

This is what I've always suspected, but never had any empirical evidence of (since I myself am a reasonably longtime DC reader): that despite all the complaints that IC is too confusing and too hard to follow, it's really all very straightforward and direct.

Of course a casual reader might not get all of the subtleties of the characters and the nuances of the plot -- why Batman asking for Green Arrow's help and reaching for Green Lantern's hand might be significant, for example, or why anyone should care about Firestorm's merging in space -- but the overall plot is not the rocket science that people keep making it out to be. Older comic book characters don't like this new earth, for whatever reason (some of the valid), and are "fixing" that through any means necessary. There. End of recap.

[Heretic]

Thanks to Fledermaus!!!!

And I cheered out loud at number 4 as well.

This series is restoring my faith in superhero comics (a faith that could never truly die as long as Astro City is published occasionally). Since the whole Identity Crisis thing I've been trying out a bunch of books. I like virtually everything I've tried from DC (exceot that I dont like anything written by Judd Winnick, the guy sucks and I dont understand why more comic readers don't see that). I actually LIKE the way Wonder Woman and Batman have been acting lately and prefer Superman to be more human than acting like a God, so I'm not sure why the reticonning is necessary, but I trust the writers enough to be along for the ride.

And for the record, I HATE WITH A PASSION every Marvel book Ive tried since getting back into comics except Captain America and the Punisher.

[Lackey]

Thanks to Fledermaus!!!!

And I cheered out loud at number 4 as well.

This series is restoring my faith in superhero comics (a faith that could never truly die as long as Astro City is published occasionally). Since the whole Identity Crisis thing I've been trying out a bunch of books. I like virtually everything I've tried from DC (exceot that I dont like anything written by Judd Winnick, the guy sucks and I dont understand why more comic readers don't see that). I actually LIKE the way Wonder Woman and Batman have been acting lately and prefer Superman to be more human than acting like a God, so I'm not sure why the reticonning is necessary, but I trust the writers enough to be along for the ride.

And for the record, I HATE WITH A PASSION every Marvel book Ive tried since getting back into comics except Captain America and the Punisher.


Have you tried Daredevil?

[Heretic]

Thats the thing...I used to LOVE Bendis. i have AKA Goldfish, Jinx, I collected all the stuff he did as an indy writer, but his Marvel stuff SUCKS! I heard that Daredevil and Alias are closer to the style hes good at though.

[ToddIsDead]

Best part of issue 6:

Black Adam going Three Stooges on Psycho Pirate

"Was that really neccessary?"

"Absolutely."

[Anubis]

Thats the thing...I used to LOVE Bendis. i have AKA Goldfish, Jinx, I collected all the stuff he did as an indy writer, but his Marvel stuff SUCKS! I heard that Daredevil and Alias are closer to the style hes good at though.

Bendis isn't on Daredevil anymore. Brubaker is, the guy writing Captain America. And he's doing a kickass job. Seriously.

[Flonk]

If you don't like it, don't buy it. You don't need all the crossover issues, but do they help maximize the experience? Yes. If you're going to come to a message board and b**ch about a series at least tell us why you are b**ching about it.

OK.

Alexander Luthor's motivation makes no sense at all. He was the Good Luthor from Earth 3. Now he is the bad guy simply because, by his own admission, he is a Luthor and therefore must fight Superman

Superboy Prime is the most whiny villian I've ever seen. Not to mention the part where he punches time. That's just silly.

And you do have to read the tie ins to understand the story. Who is the New Spectre? Read Gotham Central to find that out, because they never refer to him by name in the comic. That's just one example off the top of my head. If you'd like, I can go get my isues and find more.

I've seen Phil Jiminez do much better artwork, and I know Goeff Johns can write better than this. The story is a confusing, jumbled mess and I don't like it at all.

[Nightwing]

Bendis isn't on Daredevil anymore. Brubaker is, the guy writing Captain America. And he's doing a kickass job. Seriously.

So true. Ever since Bendis's departure, Brubaker hasn't missed a beat since taking over the book.

[Flonk]

Best part of issue 6:

Black Adam going Three Stooges on Psycho Pirate

"Was that really neccessary?"

"Absolutely."

Yeah, that was cool. But 90% of the deaths were lame cannon fodder that haven't been in a comic in years.

[ToddIsDead]

That's what's good about all of these Crisis's. It lets DC get rid of all of their uneeded, unused characters in way of gloriously gruesome deaths.

[BrianWilly]

Alexander Luthor's motivation is obscenely simple. They risked everything in order to create a perfect Earth and instead everything about this Earth is all wrong, therefore he's going to go to any lengths possible to fix it. He was practically "made" for one purpose and one purpose only: to stop the Crisis. And, in his mind, he failed. It has nothing to do with Luthors being evil or against Supermans or whatever.

Crispin Allen was referred to by name in issue #1. And there's more than enough clues in both that issue and in #4 to let the reader know that he was a cop in Gotham. What other background do we need?

[Calendar Man]

So where the hell are The Joker and LEX Luthor?

[yenaled]

I think their roles play a much bigger role in the VU special.

[Assassin]

what sucks is even the worst no name characters in the dcu died a better death than Hawkeye crying like a *****

[Green Lantern]

OK.

Alexander Luthor's motivation makes no sense at all. He was the Good Luthor from Earth 3. Now he is the bad guy simply because, by his own admission, he is a Luthor and therefore must fight Superman

Superboy Prime is the most whiny villian I've ever seen. Not to mention the part where he punches time. That's just silly.

And you do have to read the tie ins to understand the story. Who is the New Spectre? Read Gotham Central to find that out, because they never refer to him by name in the comic. That's just one example off the top of my head. If you'd like, I can go get my isues and find more.

I've seen Phil Jiminez do much better artwork, and I know Goeff Johns can write better than this. The story is a confusing, jumbled mess and I don't like it at all.Alex Luther's motivation is two fold and NEITHER are the one you mentioned. The first is that he had no childhood, and has been forced to watch and rewatch and rewatch Superboy Prime's childhood memories. Are you saying that that wouldn't nag on you? Two, is what Anubis mentioned. The perfect Earth they and so many others sacrificed so much for is far from perfect. They live in a world where heroes betray other heroes trusts with mindwipes and strategic failsafes. They live in a world where heroes kill and villains can beat a teenage boy into a bloody pulp before blowing them up.
I'll give you the time punches but its better than "Everything is made up by the Scarlet Witch lolz"
You don't have to know the full background of every character in a book to enjoy it, and frankly you would probably not gain much reading one issue of Gotham Central that tied into the story anyway. You WOULD gain knowledge of the character by reading the whole run, which ISN'T tied into the mini-series. By your reasoning no comics should contain any continuity references to any other title, "because it creates a jumbled mess"

[bholliday]

A few things because Ive been silent through most of this conversation...

I havent bought a "mainstream" comic book in many many years. The last few I bought were the Gen 13 issue with bone in it and Madman/Superman and before that youd have to go back a few more years...

The point is, I'm buying everything Infinite Crisis-related...and I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON!! I may not know a darn thing about half the characters I've seen, but I'm fine with that. It is not as confusing as people like to claim.

Also, if anyone could scan JUST the page of Superboys death then that would be cool. I stole that dudes background image thing as my Myspace background but Id like to give the whole background over to Superboy.

Superboy Prime is acting like a typical would in 2006 under those circumstances. I think his characterization is just one of many brilliant things about this series. I'm trying to go back and collect all the old tie ins from years past and its just amazing to me how well thought out this book has been. Geoff Johns is doing and amazing job on this series.

Im now a DC mark, I will be collecting half the DC line before this is over...and I have NEVER bought a DC comic prior to Identity Crisis...NEVER!

In other words, mission accomplished DC!


Exactly the same with me !

I was a hardcore marvel fan......from the early years when i was collecting spidey, i swore never to read DC.
But i was reading the opinions on Infinite Crisis and it seemed to be getting a great response. So the other week when i was in my LCS i decided to pick up the first 5 issues in both covers, and i must say, the story is just brilliant.
I've read a lot of moaners stating its to difficult to get into but ive never read DC in my ENTIRE LIFE and ive understood near enough everything. This is how a mahoosive event should be ....great story with great art ! :supes:

I can truly say that civil war has its work cut out for it :joker:

[UK_Stu]

OK.

Alexander Luthor's motivation makes no sense at all. He was the Good Luthor from Earth 3. Now he is the bad guy simply because, by his own admission, he is a Luthor and therefore must fight Superman


Thats not true, Alexander Luthor was the son of the Good Lex Luthor of Earth-3. Earth-3 Lex Luthor shot Alexander off planet as the anti-matter wave approached. He was found by Harbinger, and had artificially aged. He was a never a good guy par se

[nite-owl]

Best part of issue 6:

Black Adam going Three Stooges on Psycho Pirate

"Was that really neccessary?"

"Absolutely."

Balck Adam is probably one of the coolest villians ever.

[Flonk]

Alex Luther's motivation is two fold and NEITHER are the one you mentioned. The first is that he had no childhood, and has been forced to watch and rewatch and rewatch Superboy Prime's childhood memories. Are you saying that that wouldn't nag on you? Two, is what Anubis mentioned.
I don't remember that. Which issue was it in?

I'll give you the time punches but its better than "Everything is made up by the Scarlet Witch lolz"
Yeah, that's a lame cop out too. But it's not as silly as punching time.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I don't remember that. Which issue was it in?

IC Secert files

[That-Guy]

Thats not true, Alexander Luthor was the son of the Good Lex Luthor of Earth-3. Earth-3 Lex Luthor shot Alexander off planet as the anti-matter wave approached. He was found by Harbinger, and had artificially aged. He was a never a good guy par se


I'm not trying to bash IC, but seriously dude, Alex WAS a good guy in COIE. True, he only lived about 2 minutes of his life on Earth 3, but all of his actions were good up until COIE. Whether you view what he's doing as evil now or not, I don't understand why people keep saying that he wasn't a hero before. He did everything he could to save the universe. Man, I think I'd try to destroy the world too if I saved everyone in existance and then as soon as things start going wrong they blame me.

[ToddIsDead]

Balck Adam is probably one of the coolest villians ever.
Definitely :up:

[Pksoze]

I'm not trying to bash IC, but seriously dude, Alex WAS a good guy in COIE. True, he only lived about 2 minutes of his life on Earth 3, but all of his actions were good up until COIE. Whether you view what he's doing as evil now or not, I don't understand why people keep saying that he wasn't a hero before. He did everything he could to save the universe. Man, I think I'd try to destroy the world too if I saved everyone in existance and then as soon as things start going wrong they blame me.


I think he did good things but self preservation was the key as well. The Anti Monitor would have killed everybody.

Alex was a cypher and could be molded to any personality the writer chose.

[UK_Stu]

I'm not trying to bash IC, but seriously dude, Alex WAS a good guy in COIE. True, he only lived about 2 minutes of his life on Earth 3, but all of his actions were good up until COIE. Whether you view what he's doing as evil now or not, I don't understand why people keep saying that he wasn't a hero before. He did everything he could to save the universe. Man, I think I'd try to destroy the world too if I saved everyone in existance and then as soon as things start going wrong they blame me.

I kind of agree, I'm not saying he was evil in COIE, I'm saying he was never a hero par se - in the sense of being a Hero like Batman or Superman. He was born and then taken by the monitor and used by him for the sole purpose of stopping the anti-monitor. That was like his sole purpose - he never grew up knowing what was good or evil, just that he was there to help create a perfect universe - he was inadvertantly good as it were. BrianWilly put this better

But saying that I can see what you're saying

[nite-owl]

Definitely :up:

I know I can't wait for 52.

[ToddIsDead]

Yeah, 52 is going to be great.

[Ultimate_Superman]

what sucks is even the worst no name characters in the dcu died a better death than Hawkeye crying like a *****No that I agree with.

[Pksoze]

Anybody got a scan of Psycho Pirate dying.

[Doc Destruction]

Alex is NOT a bad guy. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. He fully believes what he is doing is right. To him, he probably feels he is a hero.

This is how a heroic Luthor would probably do things. I think the characterization is spot on.

[The Leaguer]

The same could be said for more than half of the evil bastards out there in the real world. That doesn't make them "okay dudes."

[Assassin]

hey look its my bestest friend ;)

[Darthphere]

hey look its my bestest friend ;)


Your avatar is sickening.

[The Leaguer]

But also pleasing.

[Fledermaus]

Alex is a bad guy. His only motives are selfish. There can be no "good intentions" that involve destroying entire worlds.

[ToddIsDead]

Alex is a bad guy. His only motives are selfish. There can be no "good intentions" that involve destroying entire worlds.
:up:

[Assassin]

Your avatar is sickening.

change your avatar you had darth vader for the 2 years i've knowen you, get over it, the movies are over :mad:

[ToddIsDead]

Yeah, but Darth Vader is cool. Spasming Cyclops is not.

[Assassin]

every body has constipation, but not everybody has a mask on because half there body was melted away on a lava planet!

[Darthphere]

The movies with the real Darth Vader have been over for almsot 25 years. Thank you very much.

[Fledermaus]

Yeah, but Darth Vader is cool. Spasming Cyclops is not.

Jean Grey would disagree with you there.

[Assassin]

i lov ethem as much as you do, time to move on son, time to move on..dont look back..:(

[Darthphere]

i lov ethem as much as you do, time to move on son, time to move on..dont look back..:(


Cyclops has been around longer, why dont you move on?

[Pksoze]

Anybody got a scan of Psycho Pirate dying.


Anybody???

[ToddIsDead]

Jean Grey would disagree with you there.
I bet she would...;)

[Assassin]

Cyclops has been around longer, why dont you move on?

give him an lacitive and he'll stop..besides i hate lazer eyes, i think its funny that he cant take a ****

[LadyVader]

Dartphere has in fact changed his avatar! Before it was a static picture of vader. Now it's an animated gif!

[Darthphere]

Dartphere has in fact changed his avatar! Before it was a static picture of vader. Now it's an animated gif!


That was my first, then it was a gif, now a better animated gif.

[Assassin]

i know he's change dit, but to another vader..thats what i ment.

anyways i gotta go to work

later weeners

[Fledermaus]

Anybody got a scan of Pyscho Pirate dying

Anybody???

Patience, Young one.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/Sam655321/psychopirate.jpg

[ToddIsDead]

Awesome. Whenever I get 6,000 posts, I'm going to make an avvy of that.

[Assassin]

not if i get there first

[ToddIsDead]

Damn you!

[Darthphere]

Maybe ill make it my avatar.....

[Fledermaus]

If Black Adam was taking a grunt it would be better, right Assassin?

[ToddIsDead]

Everyone on the Hype should have that as their avatar. It's a classic moment.

[Darthphere]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! I requested it as an avatar. Ill give it to whoever i think is worthy.

[Darthphere]

I love my avatar.

[The Ether]

I love your avatar too.

Amazing:up:

[ToddIsDead]

I love it too.

[Darthphere]

I think im going to have to retire the Darth vader avatars......for now.


*tomorrow Darthphere changes it back.*

[ToddIsDead]

Lol

[Lackey]

they missed the "I'm tired of silly faces"

[Darthphere]

they missed the "I'm tired of silly faces"


It didnt fit file size wise.

[Fledermaus]

Damn, that was fast.

[Flonk]

IC Secert files

OK, so you proved my point. In order to know what Luthors motivation is, you have to read a tie-in book. It's either sloppy writing, or a money grab from DC. Either way, I don't like it.

[Flonk]

Alex is NOT a bad guy. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. He fully believes what he is doing is right. To him, he probably feels he is a hero.

So does Magneto, Dr. Doom, Ra's Al Ghul, Venom, ect. Most villians think they are right.

[joke]

OK, so you proved my point. In order to know what Luthors motivation is, you have to read a tie-in book. It's either sloppy writing, or a money grab from DC. Either way, I don't like it.
You can't possible expect them to fit every important piece of information into those seven issues? If they did, the page count would be higher and the price would be higher.

The Secret Files isn't a tie-in book, it's more of a "special", meant to be read with Infinite Crisis. If it makes you feel any better, just think of it as "Infinite Crisis #8"

[ToddIsDead]

Or Infinite Crisis #0...

[GoldenAgeHero]

OK, so you proved my point. In order to know what Luthors motivation is, you have to read a tie-in book. It's either sloppy writing, or a money grab from DC. Either way, I don't like it.

almost ever book has had a secret file done on it. so your point is moot.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Or Infinite Crisis #0...
with you on that and it was a good read to boot. now if it sucked then i would complan.

[ToddIsDead]

Well, it was written by Marv Wolfman. There was a 0% chance that it wouldn't be good.

[yenaled]

How can you complain when you got a Marv Wolfman book out of it! That's insane.

[ToddIsDead]

That's what I'm saying. If anyone should have wrote that book, it was him. He put the characters there in the first place.

[yenaled]

Exactly, and frankly if Marv Wolfman understands their turn to insanity and "evil" and accepts it even writes the main comic about their motivations, then it is fine by me.

[ToddIsDead]

Absolutely

[BrianWilly]

I kind of agree, I'm not saying he was evil in COIE, I'm saying he was never a hero par se - in the sense of being a Hero like Batman or Superman. He was born and then taken by the monitor and used by him for the sole purpose of stopping the anti-monitor. That was like his sole purpose - he never grew up knowing what was good or evil, just that he was there to help create a perfect universe - he was inadvertantly good as it were. BrianWilly put this better

But saying that I can see what you're sayingAlso consider that he just spent an indeterminate amount of years in a timeless pocket dimension. Superman and Lois had each other. Superboy at least had his memories. Alex had none of those things. More than any of those three, he had to spend his time observing this new world that they created, and more and more he had to observe the extent of his own failure.

He's had even less real world experience than Superboy-Prime, and we all know how well that's worked out for Superboy. He grew up even more in a video game and even faster than Bart Allen did, and we all know how much it took to get Bart to grow up. How many issues have we seen him in, prior to Crisis on Infinite Earths? Absolutely none. Our sole interaction with Alex Luthor comes from a single limited series. He's no Hal Jordan or Wanda Maximoff; he hasn't had decades upon decades of backstory and continuity. I agree that he could be identified as a "good guy" -- note quotes -- in that first Crisis, but I disagree that there was no impetus for him to becoming the villain he is today, that it was completely out of left field or something.

And as has been said, Marc Wolfman -- his original creator -- was the guy who wrote his motivation in this Crisis anyway. How do you argue with that?

[yenaled]

Honeslty, in COIE, characterisation goes out the window. It was good and evil verses a creature that wanted to destroy existance. He was created to stop this, he did, and he still is. He isn't trying to wipe out existance he is trying to make it perfect because in his eyes they failed, they sacrificed themselves for a imperfect and flawed Earth.

Technically they have been stuck in that paradise world since the beginning of existance, plenty of time to be driven crazy.

[Anubis]

Well, I believe Alex pointed out in the IC secret files that they were really in hell. Or as close to it as you can get.

[ToddIsDead]

Yeah, he could have went to Apokolips, which he thought was Hell, or the so called "paradise". Lets just say he made the wrong decision.

[Anubis]

Imagine what would have happened if he went to apokolips? Think they could have escaped?

[ToddIsDead]

I have no doubt that they would have. Darkseid may be able to take down one Superman, but not E2 Superman, Superboy Prime, and Alex Luthor together. They would flatten him.

[Anubis]

I don't know, I think E2 Supes would have given him the most go, but you gotta remember, SBP wasn't anywhere near as powerful as he is now. Plus they just finished a huge battle with the Anti Monitor. Add to that Alex would have used up a lot of power just transporting them there. I think they might have been captured. Eventually they may have broken out, but I don't know, think what he would have done to SBP. As bad as he is now, who knows what he would have been like if Darkseid had bent him under his will.

[ToddIsDead]

Anything could have happened. It's a very debatable issue.

[GoldenAgeHero]

ha, i think johns is trying to pull a star wars bit with sbp. alex is the sith lord, sbp is anakin. earth-2 supes is obi wan.

[Pksoze]

Patience, Young one.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/Sam655321/psychopirate.jpg


Very cool...

Thanks

If someone could crop the no more silly faces part, we would have the definite pwned picture.

[ToddIsDead]

Very cool...

Thanks

If someone could crop the no more silly faces part, we would have the definite pwned picture.
If someone did that, I'd be forever in debt to him.

[Pksoze]

Lets see

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9237/psychopirate20kn.jpg

[Flonk]

You can't possible expect them to fit every important piece of information into those seven issues? If they did, the page count would be higher and the price would be higher.

The Secret Files isn't a tie-in book, it's more of a "special", meant to be read with Infinite Crisis. If it makes you feel any better, just think of it as "Infinite Crisis #8"

Then that's what they should have done. Have the main series creators do the book and put it into the main series. I had no idea untill today that the Secret Files was so important to the main series. Say what you will about House of M, but at least you didn't have to read the tie -ins to understand the book.

[Flonk]

almost ever book has had a secret file done on it. so your point is moot.

And it was never essential reading for any other book. I've never read one of them before, and I've never had a problem.

[Flonk]

Well, it was written by Marv Wolfman. There was a 0% chance that it wouldn't be good.

I beg to differ. The first Crisis, for example. :p

[ToddIsDead]

Blasphemy!!!

[BrianWilly]

Avengers Disassembled was essential reading for House of M. And going by your reasoning for the IC Secret Files, the Decimation "Day After" one-shot was also essential reading for House of M, since it shows what actually happened afterwards.

By that sort of logic, I should also have to read the entire run of Excalibur in order to understand why the heck Magneto was living on some decrepit island with Professor Xavier at all.

In fact, by that sort of logic everything is essential reading for everything else. What if I had only seen the Spider-Man movies before reading House of M and had no idea who Gwen Stacy was? I'd have no idea why Peter being married to Gwen in Wanda's universe was significant. What if I had only watched the X-Men cartoons and had never heard of Kitty Pryde before? She's one of the most significant characters in the X-books right now, should I just give up trying to understand them?

By its very nature, Infinite Crisis was advertized not only as the final chapter of a long-running story starting from Countdown to Infinite Crisis way back at the beginning of 2005, but also as a gigantic event which encompasses a large, large scope of the DCU's characters, if not all of them completely. Of course some things are going to go over some people's heads. To have gone into it expecting to get everything is just silly.

And I'm sorry, but in this day and age of google and wikipedia, there's really not much excuse anymore for anyone to come onto the internet claiming to be confused by things.

[Pksoze]

Alex Luthor's motivation is he wants to find the perfect earth and create utopia.

You don't need anything outside of Infinite Crisis to know this.

If you want to know what drove him to abandon paradise and begin this quest read the Secret Files but its not required.

I think people are put off by Alex's motivation because he wants to create a utopia through what many view as evil purposes.

He's not possesed, he's not pure evil, and he's not doing it because Luthor's are evil.

He wants paradise & to him the ends justify the means.

[drastic_quench]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5661/badam8xs.gif

[Pksoze]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5661/badam8xs.gif

Better than my crop, good show sir.:up:

Now we just need to get pwned there to beat that joke into the ground.:up:

[Lackey]

what would be perfect would be to turn the "SHUNKKCH" into "OWNED" ...I don't know if anyone has that capability here.

[Flonk]

Avengers Disassembled was essential reading for House of M. And going by your reasoning for the IC Secret Files, the Decimation "Day After" one-shot was also essential reading for House of M, since it shows what actually happened afterwards.

By that sort of logic, I should also have to read the entire run of Excalibur in order to understand why the heck Magneto was living on some decrepit island with Professor Xavier at all.

In fact, by that sort of logic everything is essential reading for everything else. What if I had only seen the Spider-Man movies before reading House of M and had no idea who Gwen Stacy was? I'd have no idea why Peter being married to Gwen in Wanda's universe was significant. What if I had only watched the X-Men cartoons and had never heard of Kitty Pryde before? She's one of the most significant characters in the X-books right now, should I just give up trying to understand them?

And I'm sorry, but in this day and age of google and wikipedia, there's really not much excuse anymore for anyone to come onto the internet claiming to be confused by things.

AH-HA! And now you are coming around to the bigger problem with Big Company Wide Event Crossover Comics.

[Assassin]

I think im going to have to retire the Darth vader avatars......for now.


*tomorrow Darthphere changes it back.*

Thanks to mee:up:

[Green Lantern]

Avengers Disassembled was essential reading for House of M. And going by your reasoning for the IC Secret Files, the Decimation "Day After" one-shot was also essential reading for House of M, since it shows what actually happened afterwards.

By that sort of logic, I should also have to read the entire run of Excalibur in order to understand why the heck Magneto was living on some decrepit island with Professor Xavier at all.

In fact, by that sort of logic everything is essential reading for everything else. What if I had only seen the Spider-Man movies before reading House of M and had no idea who Gwen Stacy was? I'd have no idea why Peter being married to Gwen in Wanda's universe was significant. What if I had only watched the X-Men cartoons and had never heard of Kitty Pryde before? She's one of the most significant characters in the X-books right now, should I just give up trying to understand them?

By its very nature, Infinite Crisis was advertized not only as the final chapter of a long-running story starting from Countdown to Infinite Crisis way back at the beginning of 2005, but also as a gigantic event which encompasses a large, large scope of the DCU's characters, if not all of them completely. Of course some things are going to go over some people's heads. To have gone into it expecting to get everything is just silly.

And I'm sorry, but in this day and age of google and wikipedia, there's really not much excuse anymore for anyone to come onto the internet claiming to be confused by things.

AH-HA! And now you are coming around to the bigger problem with Big Company Wide Event Crossover Comics.

He never answered when I asked before, so I ask again with Brian's post as another reinforcer to my side. By your reasoning Flonk, should we go to a system where no titles reference any other titles and the heroes of the DC and Marvel Universe never interact with one another? Because thats what you would get if no issue ever tied into another. You'd have no JLA because you couldn't reference any of the characters backgrounds at any point in the series because it tied to another series.

My main point is this; obviously you hate multi part company wide crossovers as a rule, correct? Then WHY THE HELL DID YOU BUY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? Save yourself the money and time, and everyone else the grief of listening to you b**ch about it.

[Assassin]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/Ownedblackadam.gif

best i can do

[Purple Man]

I want your little avatar, icon thingy. I already got that line in my sig.

[BrianWilly]

AH-HA! And now you are coming around to the bigger problem with Big Company Wide Event Crossover Comics.It's only a problem if you personally don't like that sort of thing. Some people love the epic feeling of major events, of seeing all these characters of one universe come together in one large story. Some people love the fact that there's something for everyone in Infinite Crisis; if you're a Spectre fan, the Spectre gets major play. If you like the Green Lanterns, they're popping up here and there. If you like the JSA, they're doing their part. If you like Seven Soldiers of Victory, the characters from there are making cameos too. It doesn't matter to them if they don't recognize every single character and understand every single subplot; the so long as the main story is cohesive, the larger scope of everything is exactly why they read the story in the first place.

And then some people don't like that sort of thing. They want their stories to be self-contained. I imagine that you're one of those people.

So I guess the real question here is, why the hell did you read something that you were personally predisposed to hate?

[Heretic]

Its kind of silly to be reading Infinite Crisis and then decide that Infinite Crisis Secret Files is probably not an essential read...how many times in DCs past have Secret Files books ended up being surprisingly important? I dont know because I havent been reading for the long, but I do know that ive heard about several of them being hot on the back issue market because of some significant plot point.
And having tie in books is more than just a grab for cash. Its a way to tell a story with a hundred parts in a lot less than 5 years like it would take if all of the info was in one monthly title.

[nite-owl]

Do you think DC is brining back Joe Chill back into continuity, because in issue 6 when the worlds are merged. You can see a newspaper with Chill for Wayne muder on it.

[Pksoze]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/Ownedblackadam.gif

best i can do


Come to think of it, he would be funnier if you made him say Shazam. :)

[Flonk]

He never answered when I asked before, so I ask again with Brian's post as another reinforcer to my side. By your reasoning Flonk, should we go to a system where no titles reference any other titles and the heroes of the DC and Marvel Universe never interact with one another? Because thats what you would get if no issue ever tied into another. You'd have no JLA because you couldn't reference any of the characters backgrounds at any point in the series because it tied to another series.


I don't think they should never interact. But Big Contuity driven Events should go away. Unless you've been reading DC comics for years, this story is very confusing.

[Flonk]

It's only a problem if you personally don't like that sort of thing. Some people love the epic feeling of major events, of seeing all these characters of one universe come together in one large story. Some people love the fact that there's something for everyone in Infinite Crisis; if you're a Spectre fan, the Spectre gets major play. If you like the Green Lanterns, they're popping up here and there. If you like the JSA, they're doing their part. If you like Seven Soldiers of Victory, the characters from there are making cameos too. It doesn't matter to them if they don't recognize every single character and understand every single subplot; the so long as the main story is cohesive, the larger scope of everything is exactly why they read the story in the first place.

And then some people don't like that sort of thing. They want their stories to be self-contained. I imagine that you're one of those people.

So I guess the real question here is, why the hell did you read something that you were personally predisposed to hate?

Big cosmic stories have their fans, and that's fine. BUt it has taken over the DCU. Almost every book has something to do with Infinite Crisis. I don't cotton well to that.


And I love Seven Soldiers, by the way.

[Darthphere]

Big cosmic stories have their fans, and that's fine. BUt it has taken over the DCU. Almost every book has something to do with Infinite Crisis. I don't cotton well to that.


And I love Seven Soldiers, by the way.


Then dont read DC and stop crying.:confused:

[Ultimate_Superman]

The same could be said for the new Marvel event Civil War.

[Flonk]

Then dont read DC and stop crying.:confused:

As of right now, the only DCU book I'm reading is Birds of Prey :up:


Though Checkmate looks good.



And I'll probably pick up Supergirl since I'm such a Rucka whore.

[Darthphere]

As of right now, the only DCU book I'm reading is Birds of Prey :up:


Though Checkmate looks good.



And I'll probably pick up Supergirl since I'm such a Rucka whore.


I was really disappointed by BOP OYL.:(

[Pksoze]

As of right now, the only DCU book I'm reading is Birds of Prey :up:


Though Checkmate looks good.



And I'll probably pick up Supergirl since I'm such a Rucka whore.

So is this the last time we'll read your whining and get back to discussing important topics like Psycho Pirates gruesome death.

[Darthphere]

So is this the last time we'll read your whining and get back to discussing important topics like Psycho Pirates gruesome death.


delicious.

[Assassin]

As of right now, the only DCU book I'm reading is Birds of Prey :up:


Though Checkmate looks good.



And I'll probably pick up Supergirl since I'm such a Rucka whore.

I officilly dont care about you or your opinions, carry on:down

[Rivethed]

I noticed that on Ebay the Secret Files books are pretty cheap. I paid $6 cover price for mine. There are some on there that are currently at $4 including the shipping. I feel it's a pretty important book because it shows a lot of the feelings about being in that universe and the motivations for doing what they do in the IC main story so if you haven't read it you might want to jump on some of those ebay auctions.

[yenaled]

I don't think they should never interact. But Big Contuity driven Events should go away. Unless you've been reading DC comics for years, this story is very confusing.

Why? I'm an almost DC historian, I don't know why people like me should be punished and not allowed to enjoy the rich history of the DCU just because a handfull of people don't know who Alexander Luthor is or don't understand the multiverse.

[Doc Destruction]

Flonk liked Sins Past, btw. End of discussion.

[The Caped Knight]

I wonder who is Superboy - prime going to face Now In the final battle ?

Do you think it will be The Big Three vs. Prime & Alexander Luthor ? I ask this since The final cover has The Big Three on it BATMAN, SUPERMAN & WONDER WOMAN{It might explain why The Big three Disappear for 1 Year.}

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5079_400x600.jpg

[nite-owl]

Do you think DC is brining back Joe Chill back into continuity, because in issue 6 when the worlds are merged. You can see a newspaper with Chill for Wayne muder on it.

So any body?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Flonk liked Sins Past, btw. End of discussion.Never mind I can not take anything he says serious now.:(:down

[Darthphere]

So any body?


I hope not. I like it better Batman not knowing who killed his parents and if they ever do solve it, someone better than Joe Chill.

[Assassin]

and he liked Birds of prey out of every thing OYL

Gail Simone is over rated

[Assassin]

I hope not. I like it better Batman not knowing who killed his parents and if they ever do solve it, someone better than Joe Chill.

I like the Jack Napear did it..but the Killing Joke Origin is better for joker

[yenaled]

Joe Chill is fine by me, it makes Batman's motivations much more complex than "oh i don't know who killed my parents, wahh wahh".

[sinewave]

I wonder who is Superboy - prime going to face Now In the final battle ?

Do you think it will be The Big Three vs. Prime & Alexander Luthor ? I ask this since The final cover has The Big Three on it BATMAN, SUPERMAN & WONDER WOMAN{It might explain why The Big three Disappear for 1 Year.}

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5079_400x600.jpg

well, we know supes loses his powers and batman leaves the country to travel the world and train with nightwing and robin. i have no idea where diana goes or what she's up to for that missing year.

[sinewave]

and he liked Birds of prey out of every thing OYL

Gail Simone is over rated

bite your tongue! :) she may be a tad overrated but i've been a fan of hers for a while. i'm glad she's getting some attention now.

[ToddIsDead]

You can say what you want about Gail Simone, but you can't deny that Villians United was pretty good.

[Goldenage Batman]

Patience, Young one.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/Sam655321/psychopirate.jpg


I was really mad when I read this...I liked PP...Why?..

[Anubis]

Because he's a douche bag and really, it was time.

[ToddIsDead]

Barry should have just killed him back in the day.

[Anubis]

Look at it this way, there are very few characters that, due to they're characterization, you are actually glad they died because, they deserve it really. I think PP is one of them.

[Brian Braddock]

Barry should have just killed him back in the day.

Barry was no killer. Only time he killed was by accident.

[ToddIsDead]

I know that he wouldn't have, but if he did, it might have prevented some of thethings that happenned in this Crisis. PP played a pretty big part. Barry did vote for the mindwipe though, so he's not squeky clean.

[Pksoze]

I was really mad when I read this...I liked PP...Why?..


Like the others said he deserved it.

However, I'm glad that a well known villain died. Its about time we realized being a villain is as dangerous as being a hero.

[sinewave]

Like the others said he deserved it.

However, I'm glad that a well known villain died. Its about time we realized being a villain is as dangerous as being a hero.

yeah, but he's really not very well known. it's different if it was someone like the riddler or lex luthor.

[ToddIsDead]

Imagine if Black Adam poked his fingers through Luthor's head, Geoff Johns would be dead the day after release and DC would go bankrupt shortly after.

[sinewave]

Imagine if Black Adam poked his fingers through Luthor's head, Geoff Johns would be dead the day after release and DC would go bankrupt shortly after.

someone should do a manip of the black adam/psycho pirate eye-gouge pic with luthor's head replacing pp.

[ToddIsDead]

That would be great. I don't know where you'd be able to find a good pic for that though.

[Pksoze]

yeah, but he's really not very well known. it's different if it was someone like the riddler or lex luthor.


He's not A-list like the Joker or Luthor granted.

However he's not Kite Man either. He was a major player in the Crisis & Morrison's Animal Man run.

So I consider him somewhat of a big deal. So I found his death shocking yet satisfying.

[ToddIsDead]

I thought it was great. It's probably because I'm somewhat of a Three Stooges addict.

[Pksoze]

Imagine if Black Adam poked his fingers through Luthor's head, Geoff Johns would be dead the day after release and DC would go bankrupt shortly after.


Nah... we would just have some writer say it was a clone or something.
:spidey:

[sinewave]

He's not A-list like the Joker or Luthor granted.

However he's not Kite Man either. He was a major player in the Crisis & Morrison's Animal Man run.

So I consider him somewhat of a big deal. So I found his death shocking yet satisfying.

true. he's the kind of villain you actually root for to die.

[Lackey]

You can say what you want about Gail Simone, but you can't deny that Villians United was pretty good.


Pretty good? it was the best of the four minis :up:

[Pksoze]

I thought it was great. It's probably because I'm somewhat of a Three Stooges addict.


The only thing funnier would have been if it was Alex Luthor.

However I don't think he'll die so easily.

[Pksoze]

true. he's the kind of villain you actually root for to die.

Plus in his Animal Man incanation Psycho Pirate wanted to get to our earth and get rid of us.:down

[ToddIsDead]

Pretty good? it was the best of the four minis :up:
I liked it the second most. Day of Vengence was number one for me.

[Lackey]

I liked it the second most. Day of Vengence was number one for me.


Got no problem with that, those were the top two, IMO

[nite-owl]

I hope not. I like it better Batman not knowing who killed his parents and if they ever do solve it, someone better than Joe Chill.

It woudln't bother me if Batman knew who killed his parents, its like what yenelad said Batman might stop going wahh wahh all the time if he knew.

[ToddIsDead]

Got no problem with that, those were the top two, IMO
That, I can agree with :up:

[Darthphere]

Pretty good? it was the best of the four minis :up:


I gotta agree. What do you think so far of BOP OYL? I dont know why when i read it, i was like I dnt like it. It made me sad.

[Assassin]

You can say what you want about Gail Simone, but you can't deny that Villians United was pretty good.

heh thats the only reason whyi respect her

[Assassin]

bite your tongue! :) she may be a tad overrated but i've been a fan of hers for a while. i'm glad she's getting some attention now.

that attention has gotten to her head and ****ed up her quality on BoP. and her action comics run blew like i said many times before (Austins was way better and he doesnt have a job):o

[Assassin]

and dont even get me started on teen titans, i almost forgot that she did it becaus ethe art was so bad, but so was the writing

[Lackey]

I gotta agree. What do you think so far of BOP OYL? I dont know why when i read it, i was like I dnt like it. It made me sad.


I think the book definitely lost some momentum jumping ahead one year...not many book suffered from the one year jump, most benefited, but BoP is one that suffered because it was doing so well before.

I'm still interested, though...it's only been one issue and there's enough mystery to keep me interested like who's the new member, why did Dinah quit, and what caused Shiva to join the team.

Did you read the book before OYL?

[Assassin]

I gotta agree. What do you think so far of BOP OYL? I dont know why when i read it, i was like I dnt like it. It made me sad.

thats because goldenage could have written a better book:)

[ToddIsDead]

Who read that Teen Titans arc? It was probably like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.

[Assassin]

I think the book definitely lost some momentum jumping ahead one year...not many book suffered from the one year jump, most benefited, but BoP is one that suffered because it was doing so well before.

I'm still interested, though...it's only been one issue and there's enough mystery to keep me interested like who's the new member, why did Dinah quit, and what caused Shiva to join the team.

Did you read the book before OYL?

they coverd that, she promised dinah to cover for her while shes away

[ToddIsDead]

thats because goldenage could have written a better book:)
That's harsh.

[Assassin]

Who read that Teen Titans arc? It was probably like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.

it took me 4 months but yea i did..

[Lackey]

they coverd that, she promised dinah to cover for her while shes away


why are you still reading the book :confused:

[ToddIsDead]

He's a glutton for punishment.

[Assassin]

i read it, doesnt mean i buy it :p

i was planning on sticking around until after OYL to see where it goes..now i know its down the toilet, but i'll finish the arc.

[Assassin]

i already told her on comic bloc that if i meet here i want my money and an apoligy for the 2 lifield issues..she hasnt responded yet

[ToddIsDead]

LOL. That's hilarious.

[Assassin]

i also dont think of rucka as a God like some of you ppl, i was dissapointed in his adventures of superman arc...Hamilton? thats dumb as hell, OMAC was good but again like villans united, they didnt script the whole thing by them selfs

[Lackey]

i read it, doesnt mean i buy it :p

i was planning on sticking around until after OYL to see where it goes..now i know its down the toilet, but i'll finish the arc.


so despite not liking the book before OYL and not liking it after and not liking anything she's written besides Villains United, you're still going to continue to read it? oookay

You and Flonk would probably get along very well. :o

[Assassin]

i liked it pre oyl dummy, except the last arc before oyl

okkkkkk

and flonk is...:confused:

[Lackey]

Just going by what you said... http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7825590&postcount=32

[Assassin]

yea, after the crap with batman its been going down hill, its on my pull list, i read it in store and put it on the shelf, he doesnt get very many so if i dont pull it its gone before i get there

Pick it up, i never said i buy it :)

[Flonk]

and he liked Birds of prey out of every thing OYL

Gail Simone is over rated

It's the only one I've read. I've got no interest in the other stuff.

I liked Countdown, OMAC and Villians United, I thought I would like Infinite Crisis. Obviously that wasn't the case. But my OCD won't let me drop the series. Pity me.



And, no she's not overrated. Much like Judd Winnick, she's an incerdibly funny writer who's talents are being wasted on super hero comics. Killer Princesses and Barry Ween are some of the funniest books you'll ever read. Most of their mainstream stuff has been disapointing.

[Flonk]

i also dont think of rucka as a God like some of you ppl, i was dissapointed in his adventures of superman arc...Hamilton? thats dumb as hell, OMAC was good but again like villans united, they didnt script the whole thing by them selfs

Rucka's Superman and Wonder Woman started out great, but when all the plot lines got pushed aside to make way for the Crisis, the quality went way down hill. It's like he was in a rush to get everything done before the books got cancelled.

[sinewave]

that attention has gotten to her head and ****ed up her quality on BoP. and her action comics run blew like i said many times before (Austins was way better and he doesnt have a job):o

i've liked her run on BoP, so far. i didn't read her action comics run, but i like the current arc she's writing for jla classified. i didn't read her teen titans arc due to liefield's art. she's definitely not in the class of geoff johns or ed brubaker, but i think she's one of the better writers in dc's stable.

[TheBlueWolf]

Hello, I am looking for some kind of list or site, or something, to show what books are related to this Infinity Crisis arch. I am wanting to get every book related to the Infinity Crisis...most especially if it is Superman related. Can someone please help?

[ToddIsDead]

You're going to be spending a whole lot of money.

[Lackey]

Hello, I am looking for some kind of list or site, or something, to show what books are related to this Infinity Crisis arch. I am wanting to get every book related to the Infinity Crisis...most especially if it is Superman related. Can someone please help?


Two resources to help you out...

http://209.235.210.197/ICrisis.htm


http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=98613

[The Caped Knight]

Two resources to help you out...

http://209.235.210.197/ICrisis.htm

I like this one better . :up:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=98613


This one sucks :down :down