The Infinite Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[Darthphere]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/cover7/IC7cover_perez_b.jpg


ROY!!!!


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/cover7/InCrisis07_Lee_b.jpg


Bigger versions and article here.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/counseling.html

[The Ether]

I'm beggining to think I'm gonna have to buy both covers

[Binker]

Yeah, I'll get the Lee one.

[Anubis]

Holy s**t!

[Fledermaus]

It says "Infinite Patience" LOL
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/cover7/InCrisis07_Lee_b.jpg

[Mee]

Haha, yeah I bet that one took a while.

[Assassin]

damn

[rnewbz]

and it's so amazingly clear too, oh how I love Jim Lee at DC, his x-men stuff can't touch this.

[The Ether]

I really wonder how long it took lee to finish that, perez said it took 3 day to finish his cover.

oh I think mogo is there too:)

[Darthphere]

Im pretty sure Mogo is that guge round thing on the bottom. But of course more importantly ROY!!!!!

[GoldenAgeHero]

i dont see roy anywhere on the covers!

[Darthphere]

i dont see roy anywhere on the covers!


Sorry guys with 56k. Next to Green Arrow.


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/cover7/IC7cover_perez.jpg

[Emerald Knight]

DAMMIT, it IS Roy next to Bane! I WAS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!! :mad:

somebody had to go and tell me it was Conner, and like a fool I backed down...:(

[yenaled]

Phft, it was Connor on the B&W one, someone coloured it incorrectly!

God, I think I will have to do something I havn't done since the 90s, and buy both covers :x

[Emerald Knight]

Phft, it was Connor on the B&W one, someone coloured it incorrectly!

God, I think I will have to do something I havn't done since the 90s, and buy both covers :x

Hope you don't break the bank. :( ;) :up:

[yenaled]

It's alright, I think I'll be OK :D

[Fledermaus]

Aquaman is punching Bane, and Bats is punching Black Manta. Cute. And who is that decking Deathstroke?

[yenaled]

It's Hourman II, Rick Tyler.

I find it quite funny that the only hero on the cover to be taking a beating is Steel.

[BrianWilly]

Lol I don't think it was ever Connor; Connor's mask goes all the way around his head, like the Ninja Turtles'. That dude never had a mask.

[drastic_quench]

Could someone please post one or two scans of the Doomsday fight in the Villains special?

[BrianWilly]

There wasn't actually a fight yet; that'll probably happen in issue 7 proper.

[Fledermaus]

Ask, and ye shall recieve:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/Sam655321/Doomsday.jpg

[That-Guy]

Both covers are awesome. Next week is going to kick SO much ass: Infinite Crisis #7, a new Tool album, AND it's my birthday. What more could I ask for?


Read the VU Special last night. It was good, although I was disappointed we didn't see more of the Six. I understand why they only played a minimal (yet integral) role in helping the heroes out here, and that's fine... I was just hoping that they'd be a little more central to the story. Catman has a few good moments, but Deadshot is hardly in it at all. Also, I'll admit... there's a big part of me that wanted to see them be the big heroes in IC. I couldn't help it. VU was my favorite part of all of this. Still, I'm guessing the Secret Six miniseries that's due out next month will be awesome. Not sure why Catman is wearing an all white costume in it, though. Hopefully that's not a permanent thing, because his gold colored one rocks. Anyway... so yeah... DOOMSDAY. Very excited to see what they do here. Logic would lead us to believe Superman will face off with him, but there's also the issue of SBP to deal with, who is most likely more powerful than Doomsday, unless SBP defeated Doomsday off panel somewhere before, which would mean that now DD is more powerful than him (ah, I love how confusing comic books can be). The covers revealed show Superman fighting SBP in what appears to be deep space... but the first part of "Up, Up and Away" show Supes's "last battle" with DD... plus I can't believe he would just let Metropolis fall even if he had more important things to do. Probably, he lead a bunch of heroes against SBP, then he'll find out what's going on back home, and E2 Supes will say something to him like, "We'll handle this little prick. Go save your city. Superman ALWAYS saves Lois Lane." Finally, my favorite part of all of this. BANE IS EVIL AND PUMPING VENOM AGAIN!!!! F**K YOU, SCOTT BEATTY!!!!! I don't quite understand why Bane joined the Society (since in VU it stated that he flat out refused and even killed some of their liasons) but hell, I don't care. This is one plothole I don't mind. Bane is intended to be evil, intelligent and pumped full of super-steroids. Not some candyass who is searching for his long lost daddy and hell bent on destroying Lazarus pits or something. If we get a good Supes/Doomsday fight out of this, I think it's only fair that we also get a stellar Batman/Bane rematch too. Maybe that's too much to ask for, but hell, if Bane is a bad guy again, we'll get it sooner or later.

[The_Mystery]

I find it quite funny that the only hero on the cover to be taking a beating is Steel.

Yeah, I thought that was a little suspect myself. Everyone get's herioc blows but him. Hmmmm...

[That-Guy]

Is the John Henry Irons? Because that Steel costume is one I've never seen before?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Superman does face off with Doomsday according to what GJ last interview about Superman OYL

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/interviews/interviews-intro.php?topic=c-interview_geoff-johns1


The fight with Doomsday that killed Superman. In the first issue, it's mentioned as the last thing that happened to Superman before he lost his powers in kind of an ambiguous way. Like, I saw that you used kind of put it in a purposeful writer's ambiguity where because it's a movie and because it's something that Lois and Clark are watching, it could be BS, but more than likely it has some grain of truth to it. So I guess I'm asking you directly: Was Superman being killed by Doomsday the last thing that happened before he lost his powers, or is that something you can't say because it ties into Infinite Crisis?

Geoff: All I can say is keep reading, and it will be very, very clear.

[Pksoze]

Is the John Henry Irons? Because that Steel costume is one I've never seen before?


Yup that's Steel's armour.

Anyway is it me or do the heroes in Metropilis seem vastly overmatched.

This issue is sort of like the Alamo of the DCU.

[sinewave]

Wildcat's on the cover!!!! Right next to Roy. :)

[drastic_quench]

This issue is sort of like the Alamo of the DCU.
Good call.

[Assassin]

whats with the H.I.V.E helmet on steel?

[BlackOpsTengu]

Is that Turpin decking Bane?!?!

STAS made me a huge Turpin fan, so that's sweet that he's back... if its him. :D

[Fledermaus]

I'm not familar with Turpin, but I'm pretty sure Aquaman is punching Bane.

[Assassin]

no, its namor

[Green Lantern]

Is that Turpin decking Bane?!?!

STAS made me a huge Turpin fan, so that's sweet that he's back... if its him. :DI think it is Turp... Nice catch :up:

I'm not familar with Turpin, but I'm pretty sure Aquaman is punching Bane.

On the cover yes, in VU, no ;)

[Fledermaus]

no, its namor

Namor? the Sub-Mariner? So that's the "well-established character" who is making their DC debut.

[TheCorpulent1]

I find it funny that Batman and Aquaman seemingly switched villains. :)

Also, what's the big deal about Doomsday? He killed Superman once, ooooh. Superman's kicked his ass just about every time they've fought since then, hasn't he? J'onn should've been, "Pfft, this douche? I'll take him in like two minutes," and then let himself go all-out on Doomsday's ass.

[Pksoze]

I find it funny that Batman and Aquaman seemingly switched villains. :)

Also, what's the big deal about Doomsday? He killed Superman once, ooooh. Superman's kicked his ass just about every time they've fought since then, hasn't he? J'onn should've been, "Pfft, this douche? I'll take him in like two minutes," and then let himself go all-out on Doomsday's ass.


Doomsday really kicked Superman's butt when Jurgens wrote him.

Loeb made him lame in Doomsday Rex storyline.

However Doomsday was actually somewhat scary during Austen's run.

Plus its not just that its Doomsday...its all those villains plus a mindless Doomsday controlled by Dr. Psycho.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's mindless again? I thought he'd evolved to talk and gotten weaker as a result.

[Pksoze]

I find it funny that Batman and Aquaman seemingly switched villains. :)


I find it funny that while Robin is fighting Bizarro & Hourman is fighting Deathstroke Bats takes on the all powerful Black Manta. ;)

[Pksoze]

He's mindless again? I thought he'd evolved to talk and gotten weaker as a result.


Psycho seemed to make him Mindless.

That's why he's genuinely scary again.

Anyway I think this is Doomsday's last stand as a villain.

[deathshead2]

Isn't Bane dead?

[Darthphere]

Isn't Bane dead?


I dont think so.



Vote Calvin.

[TheCorpulent1]

I find it funny that while Robin is fighting Bizarro & Hourman is fighting Deathstroke Bats takes on the all powerful Black Manta. ;)
Yeah, I'm surprised Robin's still in one piece if he was dumb enough to take on Bizarro. I mean, really, who does he think he is--Batman? ;)

[deathshead2]

I dont think so.



Vote Calvin.Are you sure I remerber seeing him die.

[Darthphere]

Are you sure I remerber seeing him die.


No, im not sure. LOL!

[Darthphere]

He has bathed in the Lazarus Pit though.

[deathshead2]

He has bathed in the Lazarus Pit though.Dang I hate the Lazarus Pit people keep coming back when I don't want them too.:mad: Why can't Ra'z keep them under control!

[Darthphere]

Dang I hate the Lazarus Pit people keep coming back when I don't want them too.:mad: Why can't Ra'z keep them under control!


He seems neutral though aka limbo. Hes reformed slightly but can become a villain any second.


Also vote Calvin.

[Lackey]

Dang I hate the Lazarus Pit people keep coming back when I don't want them too.:mad: Why can't Ra'z keep them under control!


because he's dead

[Anubis]

...:(....

[deathshead2]

because he's deadBut he has the Pits. :confused:

[Pksoze]

But he has the Pits. :confused:

His body was cremated.

[Fledermaus]

^^^^^^^^^^^
beat me to it.

Batman burned Ra's body into ash in "Death and the Maidens". If Ra's makes a comeback it would pretty mch have to be a result of Superboy Primes punching. Which would suck and suck hard. Also, I'm pretty sure there is only one Lazurus Pit left, not a 100% on that though.

[Pksoze]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Also, I'm pretty sure there is only one Lazurus Pit left, not a 100% on that though.


Yeah its in the Batcave.

[deathshead2]

Wait so he is really gone dang. That really sucks.

[Fledermaus]

The pits in the f**kin' batcave? That's kinda s**tty if you think about it. All the good Bats could do with that pit, it will probably go to waste.

[Anubis]

Well, it's not like the one Nyssa had. I think if your gonna use it, you can only use it once or something like that.

[ATMA Weapon]

I like Ras', I'd like to think he'll be back. Its better to have him around then some one trick ponies, Hush and Doomsday. *shudders*

VU Spoiler
http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=villainsunitedinfinitecrisissp1.jpg

[Shadowknight]

Anyway I think this is Doomsday's last stand as a villain.
Didn't Imperiex incinerate him down to the skeleton in Our Worlds at War?

[Pksoze]

Didn't Imperiex incinerate him down to the skeleton in Our Worlds at War?

But his corpse was brought back then freed by the Joker.

I think...


My memory is hazy on that.

[Anubis]

Doomsday aint going nowhere. ANytime they need somebody to beat the asses of a lot of heros at once, only to get owned by Superman, they're gonna use him.

[Pksoze]

Doomsday aint going nowhere. ANytime they need somebody to beat the asses of a lot of heros at once, only to get owned by Superman, they're gonna use him.


I think its over for Doomsday...remember this is a Crisis.

And somebody big must go down...Doomsday fits the Bill.

[Lackey]

Doomsday's been burnt to ashes before, if he can come back from that he can come back from anything

[Pksoze]

Doomsday's been burnt to ashes before, if he can come back from that he can come back from anything


Can he come back from a Geof Johns death though. ;)

[Anubis]

Sure he could. Nobody has to stay dead. If they did kill him off now, 10 years, 20 years from now, When Goeff is all old and gone all Clairmont on us, and the new breed of writers show up and start mucking with the universe and everything he and others have laid down before them, somebody will find a way. Weather it's brilliant or utterly stupid remains to be seen.

[Fledermaus]

As a change of subject, did anybody else notice Firefly during the prison break in the Villians United special? I thought his ass was incinerated by an OMAC?

[TheCorpulent1]

The pits in the f**kin' batcave? That's kinda s**tty if you think about it. All the good Bats could do with that pit, it will probably go to waste.
There's at least one other Lazarus Pit. It was featured in Batgirl and is more than likely responsible for Shiva's current health after Batgirl beat the living hell out of her.

[Tamanon]

I think its over for Doomsday...remember this is a Crisis.

And somebody big must go down...Doomsday fits the Bill.

I think he'll be back, having something to do with that crystal that Luthor has in the Up Up and Away arc in Superman. It does say Doomsday in Kryptonian on it, hehe

[Purple Man]

There's that lazarus pit from Batgirl that Nora Friese or whatever Mr.Freezes real last name is, got dipped into.

It was being guarded by Lady Shiva, Ras could have passed through it easily.

[Shadowknight]

When did Nora Friese get dumped in the Lazarus pit? Is she alive, and if so, where is she now?

[TheCorpulent1]

She somehow merged with the Lazarus pit, became all fiery, and started calling herself Lazara. Honestly, the arc was so stupid that I don't even remember how it ended.

[Fledermaus]

Are you making that s**t up? Cause that sounds stupid. Didn't Freeze accidentally shoot Nora's body shattered it? I thought that's why Freeze hates Batman.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I'm not making it up. God help me, every word of it is true. :(

[Assassin]

hey guys guess what...




I like Gail Simone again, BoP still blows, but that villans united special i read last night on the crapper was the best single issue so far besides the ICs'

[Fledermaus]

Everything is better on the crapper.

[Darthphere]

Excuse me guys......im beginning a mourning process for Roy.

[Pksoze]

Excuse me guys......im beginning a mourning process for Roy.

Dude spoiler tags please I've been avoiding spoiler sights.

[sinewave]

Excuse me guys......im beginning a mourning process for Roy.

what makes you say that?

[Darthphere]

Dude spoiler tags please I've been avoiding spoiler sights.


Well its speculation.

[Darthphere]

what makes you say that?


His lack of presence in the OYL titles and pretty much no mentions, unless his part of the JLA or something.

[Assassin]

lol

thats sucks

[Purple Man]

With Donna Troy lost in space

Wally lost in the speed force

and Garth lost somewhere in Atlantis or something

let's kill off Roy so we can forget about the original Titans. Then they can say the Titans always started with Beast Boy, Raven, Cyborg, Starfire, and Robin.

[Purple Man]

Big just kidding

[sinewave]

does anyone have any ideas as to which non-meta might end up getting super powers that never had them before? wasn't that supposed to happen?

[TheCorpulent1]

Was it supposed to be an established non-meta? The new Blue Beetle qualifies as a character who's just gotten metahuman powers and has never had them before.

[Assassin]

always the voice of reason...now stfu! :(

[Fledermaus]

I belive it's been stated that someone who has been getting the job done without super powers will get them.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well we already know Robin is the one trying to bring a dead friend back to life.

[Fledermaus]

does anybody have that list? we could check some of the things that have happened already, and maybe figure out the rest.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's on a couple of threads from way back. Good luck finding them with the search function perennially on the fritz, though.

[drastic_quench]

Who's on what team? Who is The Flash? So many questions... Here are some answers:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3089/dcuspoilers7py.jpg

[GoldenAgeHero]

the hell?! i dont get it.......

[drastic_quench]

What?

[GoldenAgeHero]

i dont get it. this is nothing but a card game(which is lame), and how the hll can adam strange be the only JLA member?

[TheCorpulent1]

LibrarianThorne already told us about the supposed spoilers: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229209

It's currently under dispute whether Bart as the Flash refers to post-OYL or "Titans Tomorrow." It's vague on that point, so for all we know the post-OYL Flash could still be anyone.

[drastic_quench]

Flash aside, read into it a bit, huh? Roy Harper's a Checkmate Knight. There's a spoiler right there. He survives the Crisis. E2 trinity listed under JSA? Could be nothing, maybe not. First entry: E2 Brainiac?

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm, I suggested that Roy might replace Sasha's Knight, who just died in the first issue. That'd be cool.

Or it could refer back to the time Roy worked for Checkmate before.

[Pksoze]

Anybody read the first ten pages of this thread. Boy were we off with our predictions (including myself)

[Fledermaus]

Yeah I checked them out looking for that list. We were way off.

[Assassin]

LibrarianThorne already told us about the supposed spoilers: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229209

It's currently under dispute whether Bart as the Flash refers to post-OYL or "Titans Tomorrow." It's vague on that point, so for all we know the post-OYL Flash could still be anyone.

click on the flash, it says after IC, wally dissapeared which forced bart to take the mantale up on his own. screw you and your boyfriend, you guys are wrong!:O

[Purple Man]

Also the 'Titans Tomorrow' Flash was wearing a yellow costume.

Note that Didio said not to get attached to the first Flash we see in the new ongoing. Their could possibly be hundreds of Flashes we've yet to see.

[Assassin]

no, the first flash we see is jay garrick, you can read the 1st 3 pages somewhere..and he's on the 1st page

[Speedball]

Huntress is in Checkmate?
is this mentioned in the new Checkmate series. i have it, just haven't gotten to it yet.
and WTF is JLI?

[Spectre722]

arsenal and rose/thorn are part of checkmate?

[Speedball]

Huntress: Reluctant Queen? does she become the White Queen? Roy is probably her knight. lol. it would be great to See a fight between the Two greatest white queens-Emma Frost and Huntress.

[Batx69]

My theory is right, earth 2 supes sticks around and is in the JSA now whoot!!

[TheCorpulent1]

That'd really suck. Multiple versions of characters stomping around the same universe never works well, in my opinion.

[Lackey]

I agree

[Kane]

I just came back from my first Crisis Councilling/ DC Nation panel with DC comics exec pres Dan Didio and artists such as Greg Rucka, Gail Simone etc present at it.

Dan said some interesting stuff about the present and future of DC comics;

- 'Elseworlds' is officially discontinued. Currently they arent going to do anymore Elseworld stories since it draws attention away from the real main versions of the characters (the postcrisis versions). After Infinite Crisis, they are going to only focus on the one earth and its going to be a much tighter continuity.

- Birthright WILL be replaced as the official origins for Superman after IC. Instead of bring back MOS though, there will be a totally new origins story that will be more respectful to continuity than Birthright was, thus all the 'Smallville-esque' elements will be removed but the origins will still be Silver-age inspired, to draw in fans of the classic stuff.

- The 'Up up and Away' series is apparently a tie-in with Superman Returns

- Infinite Crisis was designed to be the final goodbye to all the past incarnations of the characters, from now on they will only focus on the one main earth and the characters in it. We'll never see any classic versions again.

- The 52 will be bigger than IC and feature practically every single character in the DCU. They spoiled that the end of the 52 would be revealed in the first issue and around issue 40; the context of that ending would be understood.

- Ted Kord's brutal death was designed that way to make sure fans realize that he will never, ever return.

- Robin's new costume was inspired off the Teen Titans animated series.

- They refused to comment whether Diana would continue to be Wonder Woman in the future.....that was a bit unsettling.

[Assassin]

damn, sounds good, but no more else worlds :(

[warren_sparta27]

i was never really a fan of that many elseworlds stories anyway.
i wish they could just leave Superman's origin alone and stop changing it, it confuses me :(

[LibrarianThorne]

I just came back from my first Crisis Councilling/ DC Nation panel with DC comics exec pres Dan Didio and artists such as Greg Rucka, Gail Simone etc present at it.

Dan said some interesting stuff about the present and future of DC comics;

- 'Elseworlds' is officially discontinued. Currently they arent going to do anymore Elseworld stories since it draws attention away from the real main versions of the characters (the postcrisis versions). After Infinite Crisis, they are going to only focus on the one earth and its going to be a much tighter continuity.

- Birthright WILL be replaced as the official origins for Superman after IC. Instead of bring back MOS though, there will be a totally new origins story that will be more respectful to continuity than Birthright was, thus all the 'Smallville-esque' elements will be removed but the origins will still be Silver-age inspired, to draw in fans of the classic stuff.

- The 'Up up and Away' series is apparently a tie-in with Superman Returns

- Infinite Crisis was designed to be the final goodbye to all the past incarnations of the characters, from now on they will only focus on the one main earth and the characters in it. We'll never see any classic versions again.

- The 52 will be bigger than IC and feature practically every single character in the DCU. They spoiled that the end of the 52 would be revealed in the first issue and around issue 40; the context of that ending would be understood.

- Ted Kord's brutal death was designed that way to make sure fans realize that he will never, ever return.

- Robin's new costume was inspired off the Teen Titans animated series.

- They refused to comment whether Diana would continue to be Wonder Woman in the future.....that was a bit unsettling.

No more Elseworlds? No more Ted Kord?

Honestly, this will last until DiDio leaves office. If Olliver Queen could come back from being blown up, Ted Kord can come back from getting shot in the head (is the GA Blue Beetle still around? He knows more tricks with the Scarab than just about anyone).

Elseworlds is Kingdom Come. They can't tell me that there'll be no more Elseworlds, considering Kingdom Come is one of their greatest achievements. Many Elseworlds were simply amazing in every regard, I especally liked the Legends of a Dead Earth annuals.

As to a new origin story, I thought Birthright was fine (and was the predictable move on DC's part, as Byrne's origin also served to make the comics closer to the Christopher Reeve movies). It wasn't as good as Man of Steel, of course, but it wasn't terrible. It's not like the origin has to be this huge and lengthy thing. The 1 page origin in issue #1 of All-Star Superman is about right, I think.

Also, about only focusing on a single Earth: didn't they say that after Crisis on Infinite Earths?

[gildea]

no more elseworlds is a huge misstep.

also if they are only focusing on one continuity what becomes of the all star line??

[Kane]

The impression I got is this time they meant it. They were pretty serious about one timeline, one continuity.

Elseworlds takes away from that and according to Didio, draws attention away from the main postcrisis timeline.

Didio acknowleged Elseworlds and Hypertime once existed...... but they arent going to be continued at all. Time to focus in on the core versions of the characters.

[Kane]

no more elseworlds is a huge misstep.

also if they are only focusing on one continuity what becomes of the all star line??

Good question! Wasnt really addressed. They did express how pleased they were with the current Allstar stuff..

[rnewbz]

- Birthright WILL be replaced as the official origins for Superman after IC. Instead of bring back MOS though, there will be a totally new origins story that will be more respectful to continuity than Birthright was, thus all the 'Smallville-esque' elements will be removed but the origins will still be Silver-age inspired, to draw in fans of the classic stuff.

Okay, what? so birthright is canon in some parts, but not in others. Gah!!!!! my graphic novel collection is going to be so screwed up, I have everything in chronological order, but now some stuff is'nt canon? Why remove the smallville elements? So is superman and all his characters getting new orgins? OH, SUPERBOY PRIME, YOU'VE STRUCK AGAIN!!!!!!

[Green Lantern]

- Birthright WILL be replaced as the official origins for Superman after IC. Instead of bring back MOS though, there will be a totally new origins story that will be more respectful to continuity than Birthright was, thus all the 'Smallville-esque' elements will be removed but the origins will still be Silver-age inspired, to draw in fans of the classic stuff.

Okay, what? so birthright is canon in some parts, but not in others. Gah!!!!! my graphic novel collection is going to be so screwed up, I have everything in chronological order, but now some stuff is'nt canon? Why remove the smallville elements? So is superman and all his characters getting new orgins? OH, SUPERBOY PRIME, YOU'VE STRUCK AGAIN!!!!!!Because Smallville is the biggest load of sacreligious BS to ever hit the small screen? :confused:

[Darthphere]

Because Smallville is the biggest load of sacreligious BS to ever hit the small screen? :confused:


Hater.:mad:

[Anubis]

No more Elseworlds? That sucks. I was hopeing for a DC New Frontier II or something from Darwyn Cooke. I mean, tightining up the continuity is fine and all but I don't see why you can't still have out of continuity stories. Some of the best stories DC has ever produced came out of Elsworlds.

As far as everything else, meh. Birthright in continuity, not in continuity, doesn't matter. The Origin is always the same basically. No reason to harp on the details. Were they unfeeling sceintists? Were they loving parents? Was he already born when they sent him to Earth? Was he in some sort of birthing matrix? It's not important. They should just leave it at that and call it a day.

No more Ted Kord? I didn't expect him to come back in the first place. He's gone, and now they got this new kid. Deal with it.

[Kane]

Because Smallville is the biggest load of sacreligious BS to ever hit the small screen? :confused:

AMEN

Quote of the Month :up:

[Darthphere]

Up up and Away as a Superman Returns tie-in sucks.

[Kane]

Okay, what? so birthright is canon in some parts, but not in others. Gah!!!!! my graphic novel collection is going to be so screwed up, I have everything in chronological order, but now some stuff is'nt canon? Why remove the smallville elements? So is superman and all his characters getting new orgins? OH, SUPERBOY PRIME, YOU'VE STRUCK AGAIN!!!!!!

Birthright replacing MOS was a result of one of Superboy's punches, it was showed in Secret Files.

However, I have a feeling some of the effects of what Superboy did will be undone somehow at the end of IC #7.

The new origins wont conflict with the past history of the postcrisis as much as Birthright did. Thats the only logical reason for changing them so soon.

[The BatDude]

shouldn't New Frontier be in continuity? it does explain how DC went from the Golden Age to the Silver Age with out using the whole Earth 1 and Earth 2 thing

[Darthphere]

I dont see why we need a 20th origin for Superman, its pretty cut and dry simple.

[Anubis]

Up up and Away as a Superman Returns tie-in sucks.

I don't even see how it can be a Superman Returns tie-in. Other than the fact that somebody made a movie about Superman while he was missing for a year.

[Kane]

Up up and Away as a Superman Returns tie-in sucks.

No way man. It had to happen. Up, up and Away seems to be getting generally positive reviews so far though.

[Darthphere]

I don't even see how it can be a Superman Returns tie-in. Other than the fact that somebody made a movie about Superman while he was missing for a year.


Yeah, I doubt GL and Hawkgirl will show up in the movie, lol.

[TheCorpulent1]

shouldn't New Frontier be in continuity? it does explain how DC went from the Golden Age to the Silver Age with out using the whole Earth 1 and Earth 2 thing
It also makes Superman and some others incredibly old.

[Anubis]

shouldn't New Frontier be in continuity? it does explain how DC went from the Golden Age to the Silver Age with out using the whole Earth 1 and Earth 2 thing

But it took place in the 50's and 60's. It was real time, and mentioned dates specifically because they had a huge effect on the story. So no. It can't be in continuity.

[Darthphere]

No way man. It had to happen. Up, up and Away seems to be getting generally positive reviews so far though.


Im not saying the arc sucks, im syaing that its a tie-in to the movie sucks, leave the movies and comics seaprate please especially with the SUperman's kid plot line.

[TheCorpulent1]

But it took place in the 50's and 60's. It was real time, and mentioned dates specifically because they had a huge effect on the story. So no. It can't be in continuity.
I win. :)

[Darthphere]

But it took place in the 50's and 60's. It was real time, and mentioned dates specifically because they had a huge effect on the story. So no. It can't be in continuity.


Easy, SUperboy punched something.

[Kane]

I dont see why we need a 20th origin for Superman, its pretty cut and dry simple.

Because the fans were pissed at how Birthright contradicted so much sh^t from 1986-2002. It rendered the existing postcrisis continuity to moot.

It needed to be removed and replaced with something more respectful to the history that doesnt negate the past 20 years.

[Anubis]

I win. :)

But I said it better. And Darthphere gets the No-Prize for shoe horning it into continuity.

[The BatDude]

good bye Elseworld you will be missed :(

[Darthphere]

Because the fans were pissed at how Birthright contradicted so much sh^t from 1986-2002. It rendered the existing postcrisis continuity to moot.

It needed to be removed and replaced with something more respectful to the history that doesnt negate the past 20 years.


I dont see why we needed Birthright either. Either way Birthright was a gret read and fans as a whole will never be pleased fully.

[Kane]

I don't even see how it can be a Superman Returns tie-in. Other than the fact that somebody made a movie about Superman while he was missing for a year.

I think the key of the tie-in will involve the 'three major words' that Lois will say that will change Superman forever...

[TheCorpulent1]

But I said it better. And Darthphere gets the No-Prize for shoe horning it into continuity.
Yours was just wordier. Don't feel bad that I won, Nubinator. :p

[Darthphere]

I think the key of the tie-in will involve the 'three major words' that Lois will say that will change Superman forever...


Im a lesbian?:confused:

[Anubis]

Because the fans were pissed at how Birthright contradicted so much sh^t from 1986-2002. It rendered the existing postcrisis continuity to moot.

It needed to be removed and replaced with something more respectful to the history that doesnt negate the past 20 years.

Which is why they should just stop with the new origin stories and just write good stories that take place right now.

[Kane]

I dont see why we needed Birthright either. Either way Birthright was a gret read and fans as a whole will never be pleased fully.

BR was a good read on its own merit, like alot of Elseworlds tales...but it just makes continuity very messy. It was put out years ago to mainly capitalize on Smallville when the show was once popular.

IC was designed to clean continuity up...make it tighter.

So removing BR is a smart step.

[Anubis]

I would actually like them to have a kid.

[TheCorpulent1]

Which is why they should just stop with the new origin stories and just write good stories that take place right now.
I don't mind this one. It's a tradition to make new origin stories after Crises.

[Kane]

Im a lesbian?:confused:

Im thinking the word 'pregnant' being in there is more likely.

[Anubis]

Yours was just wordier. Don't feel bad that I won, Nubinator. :p

...don't call me Nubinator....

[Darthphere]

But I said it better. And Darthphere gets the No-Prize for shoe horning it into continuity.


Wanda did it!

[Darthphere]

Im thinking the word 'pregnant' being in there is more likely.


Im pregnant lesbian.:confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

...don't call me Nubinator....
Sorry. :( Anubinator? :)

[Darthphere]

BR was a good read on its own merit, like alot of Elseworlds tales...but it just makes continuity very messy. It was put out years ago to mainly capitalize on Smallville when the show was once popular.

IC was designed to clean continuity up...make it tighter.

So removing BR is a smart step.


Not really, I really didnt see many fans complain about it at all.

[Anubis]

Sorry. :( Anubinator? :)

Thats better.

[Kane]

Im pregnant lesbian.:confused:

Umm..I dont see how thats even possible.

[Darthphere]

Umm..I dont see how thats even possible.


I dont know, sperm banks.

[Kane]

Not really, I really didnt see many fans complain about it at all.

I did. And the BR continuity controversy was a major question asked to the DC writers at panels throughout the years. Supermanhomepage.com and Dccomics.com reported several inquiries and debates about it in recent history.

It was a topic that needed to be dealt with.

[The BatDude]

It also makes Superman and some others incredibly old.
But it took place in the 50's and 60's. It was real time, and mentioned dates specifically because they had a huge effect on the story. So no. It can't be in continuity.
they could just retcon the time and era i mean if they did it for Constantine but that'll be to much work

[Anubis]

Umm..I dont see how thats even possible.

You should see that Spike Lee movie, "She Hate Me"

[Darthphere]

I did. And the BR continuity controversy was a major question asked to the DC writers at panels throughout the years. Supermanhomepage.com and Dccomics.com reported several inquiries and debates about it in recent history.

It was a topic that needed to be dealt with.


Vocal minority they exist for everything in comics.

[TheCorpulent1]

You should see that Spike Lee movie, "She Hate Me"
I saw that. Kerry Washington is hot. :up:

[Anubis]

I saw that. Kerry Washington is hot. :up:

You damn right she is. :up:

[Kane]

Well honestly... would you want a continuity that contradicts itself and doesnt make sense.

That would be the case if BR was kept.

It would literally go against their goal in IC of cleaning continuity up and making it tighter.

[Assassin]

edit: the person i said it to is no longer above me.

[Darthphere]

I saw that. Kerry Washington is hot. :up:


Yeah and she was a crappy Alicia too, whats your point?

[Darthphere]

Well honestly... would you want a continuity that contradicts itself and doesnt make sense.

That would be the case if BR was kept.

It would literally go against their goal in IC of cleaning continuity up and making it tighter.


Sure why not, I read Marvel right?

[Kane]

Sure why not, I read Marvel right?

:p thats actually the reason I dont read Marvel anymore.


At least let DC have this continuity going for it. It could be something that sets it apart from Marvel if anything.

[Anubis]

Yeah and she was a crappy Alicia too, whats your point?

I blame the writers of the script for that. Had nothing to do with her.

[Darthphere]

:p thats actually the reason I dont read Marvel anymore.


At least let DC have this continuity going for it. It could be something that sets it apart from Marvel if anything.


DC has always had stronger continuity than Marvel and when they didnt they tried to fix it. Im not one of those people who tries to calculate conitinuity and such. I thought BR was a solid read, I really didnt need a new origin but it was good. I really dont see the point of re-doing his origin 800 times when with along with Batman is one of the simplest ones.

[Darthphere]

I blame the writers of the script for that. Had nothing to do with her.


I blame jessica Alba.

[Anubis]

I blame jessica Alba.

For what? Being so sexy that you had to see the movie even though you knew it was gonna suck balls?

[Darthphere]

For what? Being so sexy that you had to see the movie even though you knew it was gonna suck balls?


I actually saw the movie because im a masochist.

[Anubis]

I actually saw the movie because im a masochist.

Well, there are easier ways to torture yourself than going to see Fantastic Four. Putting a carnivorous earwig into your brain for one.

[kiuju2k]

I do remember wally talking to bart when he became kid flash that he didn't want him to be kid flash because to him it signified what happened to barry and he didn't want that to happen to himself. I guess you wouldn't call that ironic.

[Darthphere]

Well, there are easier ways to torture yourself than going to see Fantastic Four. Putting a carnivorous earwig into your brain for one.


True, but FF was cheaper.

[Anubis]

True, but FF was cheaper.

And it produces the same effect as the earwig.

[Darthphere]

Yes, it does. And lasts longer.

[CLARKY]

I liked FF. :confused:

[The Ether]

I like Jessica Alba:)

[Assassin]

I love jessica alba, and i liked F4, more that spiderman 2

[Darthphere]

I liked FF. :confused:


Shouldnt your avatar start with Tom Welling?:confused:

[CLARKY]

why?
I started by the first I knew to the last one. :confused:

Assassin I agree with U I liked FF more than Spiderman 2 as well (even if there were good things IMO).

[Darthphere]

why?
I started by the first I knew to the last one. :confused:

Assassin I agree with U I liked FF more than Spiderman 2 as well (even if there were good things IMO).


The shouldnt SUperman animated go before Welling, or you never saw the Superman Adventures?

[Assassin]

what about superboy? or george reeves?

[Green Lantern]

Hater.:mad:Never have and never will deny that I completely hate and despise every aspect of that show.

AMEN

Quote of the Month :up:

Glad someone agrees.

[CLARKY]

Assassin : No I didn't know George Reeves, I was not born. Nevertheless, U may have a point maybe I should have put Superboy.yeah.oh well.

hey Darthphere is my avvy disturbing U this much? :)
Here is the very personal explanation : I wanted to put Clark from STAS but I feel that Clark is himself when he's in Smallville with his parents and without his glasses.At that time, JLU was airing so I choose a pic from it, and I liked his angry attitude.
It's not supposed to make sense but personal. Satisfied?

[Assassin]

you dont have to explain your avatar to darth, he's had only darthvader avys for 3 years, until i made him change it :D

[Shadowknight]

A couple of pages ago, someone mentioned that Dido was pleased by the All Star line. If they're so obssesed with the no Hypertime and no multiple earth thing, isn't it hypocritical to keep the All-Star books around?

[Lackey]

I love jessica alba, and i liked F4, more that spiderman 2


I knew you had crappy taste, but that's just too far :down:(

[ToddIsDead]

I just read VU: IC special. Really cool. I can't wait until IC 7. It's going to be so cool!

[Assassin]

To shadowknight:
yes, and thats what 6 ppl already said.



btw what the hell is hypertime?

[ToddIsDead]

Hypertime is just one big confusing mess.

[Assassin]

I knew you had crappy taste, but that's just too far :down:(

i dont like F4 that much, i just really really despise spiderman 2

i love the train scenes and when ever he's in costume, its a good spiderman, but mary jane and peter parker are way off, its corney and dumb as ****.

btw lackey, **** your opinions, they dont matter to me, because they're not mine :D

and why do i have bad taste? because i hate all star superman and like all star batman and robin?

[Speedball]

what is this thread about?
I thought it was about Infinite Crisis. Not everyone's taste in movies.

[ToddIsDead]

and why do i have bad taste? because i hate all star superman and like all star batman and robin?
You just answered your own question.

[Assassin]

no, thats still a yes or no question to lackey

so unless you're lackey, stfu!

btw if you havent noticed, todd is alive!

[Johnny DC]

It says Maxwell Lord is the Black King. Last I checked, he was pretty dead. Remember, IC isn't supposed to merge different universes like COIE.

[drastic_quench]

It's an IC game. So it's got the before, during, and after.

[Stealth_Prime]

DrasticQuench, you are my hero...if it wasn't for your last post..I would have thought that card is the preview for the upcoming DC books.
Thanks for clearing that up.

[Stealth_Prime]

Is there anyway, to bring back the multi-verse???

[Anubis]

Sure. Time Travel and divergent time lines.

[drastic_quench]

Suck it. Suck it hard. And when you think you're done sucking it; suck on it some more.

[Stealth_Prime]

just when I thought you were a decent guy....tsk tsk tsk

[BrianWilly]

I think alternate realities and alternate futures and "What If/Elseworlds"-type universe will always exist in superhero comics; they're a very vibrant subgenre of the, ah, genre. But I also think IC marks a definitive closure to the idea of Earth-1, Earth-2, and all of that crossover universe thing of the old JLA/JSA days. They've "officially" been gone for quite a while, of course, but unofficially always felt like an unspoken presence in the room; seeing those "multiverse" concepts making a definitive comeback appearance throughout Infinite Crisis, in my opinion, shows quite definitely just how awkward they would be in modern stories and quite definitely that we don't need them anymore.

[Kane]

Is there anyway, to bring back the multi-verse???

Someone asked Dan if they would. He said "We did!...Then we took it away"

He basically said Earth 2 wouldnt stay forever, it makes no sense to keep it.

[Shadowknight]

Of course, isn't the CSA earth in the Qwardian universe Earth-2 now? (or Earth 1, according to that world's Lex Luthor).

[The_Mystery]

Just curious, but why does anyone in here like the multi-verse? Opinions please.

[Anubis]

Because it gives you a chance to tell stories that you would never be able to in the regular continuity. You think Kingdom Come could have been written without an elseworld? Or Superman Red Son? The Nail? It's an option. The real question is why wouldn't anybody like the multi-verse?

[ToddIsDead]

I wouldn't have a problem with the multiverse if I could still have the JSA and the JLA, and all of the other teams on the same Earth, in the same continuity. Multiverse would just be a place to tell alternate stories. For me, anyway.

[Anubis]

That's the way it's pretty much been since the Crisis, which is the way it should stay.

[ToddIsDead]

I absolutely agree.

[Darthphere]

No more Elseworlds simply put is bull****, its a horrible move, and wont last long.

[ToddIsDead]

Wait a minute... They're not going to do Elseworlds anymore? Since when?

[Fledermaus]

Think DC will still make 'alternate future' - type stories? Hell, "Titans of Tommorrow" is the reason why Teen Titans is in my pull box. DKR came out before the concept of Elseworld was concieved. Alternate history stories can change the basic concept of a character, i.e. Superman's ship landed in Russia(Red Son), but alternate future stories can elaborate more on a character. I mean, let's face it, by the time Tim is Batman, we'll all be dust.

[Darthphere]

Wait a minute... They're not going to do Elseworlds anymore? Since when?


It was announced somewhere, its in another thread.

[ToddIsDead]

Well, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Some of DC's best stories are Elseworlds!

[Anubis]

It was from an interview.

I just came back from my first Crisis Councilling/ DC Nation panel with DC comics exec pres Dan Didio and artists such as Greg Rucka, Gail Simone etc present at it.

Dan said some interesting stuff about the present and future of DC comics;

- 'Elseworlds' is officially discontinued. Currently they arent going to do anymore Elseworld stories since it draws attention away from the real main versions of the characters (the postcrisis versions). After Infinite Crisis, they are going to only focus on the one earth and its going to be a much tighter continuity.

- Birthright WILL be replaced as the official origins for Superman after IC. Instead of bring back MOS though, there will be a totally new origins story that will be more respectful to continuity than Birthright was, thus all the 'Smallville-esque' elements will be removed but the origins will still be Silver-age inspired, to draw in fans of the classic stuff.

- The 'Up up and Away' series is apparently a tie-in with Superman Returns

- Infinite Crisis was designed to be the final goodbye to all the past incarnations of the characters, from now on they will only focus on the one main earth and the characters in it. We'll never see any classic versions again.

- The 52 will be bigger than IC and feature practically every single character in the DCU. They spoiled that the end of the 52 would be revealed in the first issue and around issue 40; the context of that ending would be understood.

- Ted Kord's brutal death was designed that way to make sure fans realize that he will never, ever return.

- Robin's new costume was inspired off the Teen Titans animated series.

- They refused to comment whether Diana would continue to be Wonder Woman in the future.....that was a bit unsettling.

[Stealth_Prime]

It's because with the multi-verse...it's a place where you can make your horizons expand with possibility. Where you can read one DC book and then make up the same characters in your mind and jot it down on pen and throw in everything from bikini clad women to the killing off every character or reborn character you like....
if you like say plastic man...but wonder what could happen if...he didn't get stretching powers...but the powers to blow things up....you can make that possible in the multi-verse....
at least that's what it is to me...a place where I can wonder....and speculate..and dream of a story I like better then what sometimes, DC or Marvel spit out.
hope that's enlightening...

[ToddIsDead]

I'm glad that they're throwing out Birthright, but no more Elseworlds? I just can't back that. And I like to see the classic characters every now and again :(

[Kane]

It was from an interview.

It was actually a panel at the Toronto Comic-con. Thats where Dan and the writers were present at. They took questions and suggestions and asked for some feedback.

www.torontocomicon.com (http://www.torontocomicon.com)

The highlight of the con was meeting George Perez and getting the classic crisis issues signed.

[Anubis]

sweet :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'm glad that they're throwing out Birthright, You read it wrong they are not throwing out Birthright infact they are making it the origin after IC

[ToddIsDead]

No, I think YOU read it wrong.

[Kane]

You read it wrong they are not throwing out Birthright infact they are making it the origin after IC

Nope. Birthright is out. I asked Dan this question at the panel myself (mainly cause I dont like Smallville TV stuff in the comics).

He said theyre going to do a new origins story thats silver-age inspired but I dont think it will boldly contradict the existing postcrisis history like Birthright did. (since thats the main point of doing the origins over again, to avoid another BR situation, make continuity tighter).



I have an educated guess that the origins will be reflective of the SR origins since the first Donner film used a very silver age esque origins story and SR simply just updates it to fit the present.

[Kane]

Oh, Dan also said Jason Todd isnt leaving after the Crisis. They said they were very happy with how his storyarc turned out and are planning to keep him around for a long time.

I never read the Todd arc. Was it that good?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Nope. Birthright is out. I asked Dan this question at the panel myself (mainly cause I dont like Smallville TV stuff in the comics).

He said theyre going to do a new origins story thats silver-age inspired but I dont think it will boldly contradict the existing postcrisis history like Birthright did. (since thats the main point of doing the origins over again, to avoid another BR situation, make continuity tighter).



I have an educated guess that the origins will be reflective of the SR origins since the first Donner film used a very silver age esque origins story and SR simply just updates it to fit the present.What the hell???? Birthright was fine were it is I mean the only SV thing from it was the Kents age. But hey its what ever. What I would really love is for Alex Ross to do the new origin. Not only would the art be good but you would also have a great story as well for it. Though I doubt that would ever happen it would sure be nice.

[ToddIsDead]

Oh, Dan also said Jason Todd isnt leaving after the Crisis. They said they were very happy with how his storyarc turned out and are planning to keep him around for a long time.

I never read the Todd arc. Was it that good?
Aside from the current Nightwing arc, the Jason Todd stuff has been very good.

[regwec]

Oh, Dan also said Jason Todd isnt leaving after the Crisis. They said they were very happy with how his storyarc turned out and are planning to keep him around for a long time.

I never read the Todd arc. Was it that good?
No.

[Anubis]

I thouhgt it was good.

[regwec]

I didn't hate it, but I don't think it really justified Todd's longterm re introduciton to the DCU.

[Kane]

What the hell???? Birthright was fine were it is I mean the only SV thing from it was the Kents age. But hey its what ever. What I would really love is for Alex Ross to do the new origin. Not only would the art be good but you would also have a great story as well for it. Though I doubt that would ever happen it would sure be nice.

Err no. Alex Ross can do the drawing, but when it comes to writing it....hell no. I dont want Superfriends again. Ross is trapped in the 60s.

[newmexneon]

Colored Perez Cover for IC #7

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5079_400x600.jpg

[regwec]

Hah! Black Manta gets a Bat-hook.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Err no. Alex Ross can do the drawing, but when it comes to writing it....hell no. I dont want Superfriends again. Ross is trapped in the 60s.LOL true in the fact with Justice League it is the Superfriends but when it comes to Superman he always does him more commanding and alittle dark. I think if given an outline of what they would like to see he could do it and do it well. I just think from reading Peace on Earth and Kingdom Come (more Superman stories then the others he did) that he could pull it off because he understands what makes Superman and who Superman is.

[Darthphere]

Hah! Black Manta gets a Bat-hook.


Ha-ha Black manta died.:(

[Green Lantern]

Colored Perez Cover for IC #7

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5079_400x600.jpgYeah, we know, we've had it and the Lee colored cover for a few days now ;)

[newmexneon]

Oh, and here is the colored Lee cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/cover7/InCrisis07_Lee_b.jpg

[newmexneon]

Yeah, we know, we've had it and the Lee colored cover for a few days now ;)

In this thread? I went back like 5 or 6 pages and didn't see them? Damn, and I thought I was so cool.:(

[Green Lantern]

Again, we've had both of them since April 26 :confused:

[Green Lantern]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8581902&postcount=3751 ;)

[Darthphere]

That was a good post.

[Jono87]

Colored Perez Cover for IC #7

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5079_400x600.jpg

Did you change the colors or what? Why is Jay knocking out a normal colored Flash? I thought it was supposed to be Inverse Flash.

[newmexneon]

Did you change the colors or what? Why is Jay knocking out a normal colored Flash? I thought it was supposed to be Inverse Flash.

Don't know what happened there. I linked those directly off of Newsarama.

[Darthphere]

Those you posted came from Dccomics.com and yeah Reverse Flash is all red on that site.

[Purple Man]

Did you change the colors or what? Why is Jay knocking out a normal colored Flash? I thought it was supposed to be Inverse Flash.

Someone else colored that. The Flash that Jay is punching is supposed to be Zoom. Raven is supposed to be black instead of white. Speedy is supposed to be Arsenal. The Daily Planet globe is brown instead of silver.
Metamorphos arm that is attacking the Weather Wizard is brown instead of pink.Metamorphos legs are black and white. Sinestro is making a yellow shield, not a purple one (what was he thinking?). Captain Marvel Jr has a white cape not red. Man-Bat is wearing blue jeans not green. Black Manta is black and not dark blue.

Everything else was spot on.

So sue me, I was bored.

[newmexneon]

Damn, my brain is Fubared today.

[The_Mystery]

I have to give DC credit for not revealing the entire story behind IC #7 already even though all the books are now OYL. Bravo. Funny thing about this IC event. I can't possibly see DC every topping this. Every other line-wide crossover is going to seem kinda small.

[Binker]

I checked Diamond's Shipping List and IC#7 isn't listed. Since we know its 50/50 on that sitre and IGN, is IC#7 gonan come out? Because Action #838 didn't come out last week.

[newmexneon]

Who knows. Hopefully DC will keep the Crisis on schedule and we won't have to wait.

[drastic_quench]

In your User CP you can see that this thread has 69 thousand some views. We should try to get it to 70k by Wednesday. 10k an issue.

[ToddIsDead]

I'm still torn on which cover I'm going to get.

[cerealkiller182]

^^^^I'm liking the GL one a lot more than the other.

[Shadowknight]

Someone else colored that. The Flash that Jay is punching is supposed to be Zoom. Raven is supposed to be black instead of white. Speedy is supposed to be Arsenal. The Daily Planet globe is brown instead of silver.
Metamorphos arm that is attacking the Weather Wizard is brown instead of pink.Metamorphos legs are black and white. Sinestro is making a yellow shield, not a purple one (what was he thinking?). Captain Marvel Jr has a white cape not red. Man-Bat is wearing blue jeans not green. Black Manta is black and not dark blue.

Everything else was spot on.

So sue me, I was bored.
They'll probably blame in on Superboy Prime p?unching a wall... again

As to the GL cover, is that supposed to be Jack T. Chance on the upper left? Isn't he supposed to have died in Emerald Twilight?

[The Caped Knight]

- The 'Up up and Away' series is apparently a tie-in with Superman Returns


I knew it.

- Robin's new costume was inspired off the Teen Titans animated series.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Robintt34.PNG

that's not accurate Robin's suit doesn't look anything like Teen Titans The animated series. The suit in OYL is more like Tim drake's suit from The New Batman Adventures .

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/tnba/media/gallery/111.jpg

- 'Elseworlds' is officially discontinued. Currently they arent going to do anymore Elseworld stories since it draws attention away from the real main versions of the characters (the postcrisis versions). After Infinite Crisis, they are going to only focus on the one earth and its going to be a much tighter continuity.

YES it's about time . Elseworld stories end .

- Infinite Crisis was designed to be the final goodbye to all the past incarnations of the characters, from now on they will only focus on the one main earth and the characters in it. We'll never see any classic versions again.

Whoa !!!

- Birthright WILL be replaced as the official origins for Superman after IC. Instead of bring back MOS though, there will be a totally new origins story that will be more respectful to continuity than Birthright was, thus all the 'Smallville-esque' elements will be removed but the origins will still be Silver-age inspired, to draw in fans of the classic stuff.



Great news . I didn't like Birthright that much .