The Infinite Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[Calendar Man]

Hey you know if The Joker didn't shoot Alex after the attack he could have went on to become the new Two-Face.

[Pksoze]

As I said before, The Joker doesn't act as a hitman for people (especially Lex). He does what he wants when he wants. He is insane, hes not in it for money. Hes in it for anarchy. He went after Alex for his own reasons not for Lex's. Maybe Lex told him where Alex was. Not a very big deal. Not really outsmarting someone.


Joker did what Lex wanted, in fact for Lex it was better that way, he didn't have to even pay him & Alex suffered.

[XwolverineX]

On the big splash page at the end of IC, who were those to characters from the SHAZAM! family? One was wearing Captain Marvels costume with long hair (CM3?) and one was in the Wizard Shazam's costume, with a hood (Captain Marvel?).

[The Red Skull]

On the big splash page at the end of IC, who were those to characters from the SHAZAM! family? One was wearing Captain Marvels costume with long hair (CM3?) and one was in the Wizard Shazam's costume, with a hood (Captain Marvel?).

I'm guessing CM3's been promoted, with Billy taking over from Shazam as the caretaker of the Rock of Eternity.

[TheCorpulent1]

The fact that he's still got something like his superhero costume on makes me hopeful that Billy may actually find some way to leave the Rock. I'd really like that. Freddy's all right, I guess, but I'd prefer to see Billy still out and about.

[sinewave]

The fact that he's still got something like his superhero costume on makes me hopeful that Billy may actually find some way to leave the Rock. I'd really like that. Freddy's all right, I guess, but I'd prefer to see Billy still out and about.

i'm not too knowledgeable on the marvel family, is freddy cm3/cm jr.?

[Mister J]

i'm not too knowledgeable on the marvel family, is freddy cm3/cm jr.?
Yep, with Billy being CM1 and Mary being CM2.

[Kurosawa]

Who was a ripoff of CM2, what's your point?

I'm refering to the whole story arc of Kid Miracleman going insane and becoming an incredibly violent villian. That's what I mean when I say SBP is a rip-off of Moore's Kid Miracleman.

[Anubis]

I know I was just busting your balls.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm refering to the whole story arc of Kid Miracleman going insane and becoming an incredibly violent villian. That's what I mean when I say SBP is a rip-off of Moore's Kid Miracleman.
That's like half the sidekick-related stories in comics, so it's not really a big deal.

[Darthphere]

The fact that he's still got something like his superhero costume on makes me hopeful that Billy may actually find some way to leave the Rock. I'd really like that. Freddy's all right, I guess, but I'd prefer to see Billy still out and about.


Freddy is based on Elvis, makes him God in my book.

[TheCorpulent1]

Then your book needs some editing. :p

[sethcohen]

you know wht could have been cool and ballsy on DCs part? NOT killing off E-2 Superman... could have been incredibly interesting to have him floating around the world doing his thing or even some one else E-1 Clark can go to with a slightly differnt viewpoint than his own... agree? disagree?

[Darthphere]

you know wht could have been cool and ballsy on DCs part? NOT killing off E-2 Superman... could have been incredibly interesting to have him floating around the world doing his thing or even some one else E-1 Clark can go to with a slightly differnt viewpoint than his own... agree? disagree?


Disagree.

[drastic_quench]

I agree that is would have been ballsy. I don't think it's as cool as you do, but, yes, ballsy.

[Anubis]

I wouldn't have minded. E2 Supes with the JSA.

[LadyVader]

you know wht could have been cool and ballsy on DCs part? NOT killing off E-2 Superman... could have been incredibly interesting to have him floating around the world doing his thing or even some one else E-1 Clark can go to with a slightly differnt viewpoint than his own... agree? disagree?

That wouldn't have been ballsy just... pointless.

[XwolverineX]

No, I agree. It would have been cool. It was too obvious that he was going to get killed off. At least SBP is still around.

[Darthphere]

No, I agree. It would have been cool. It was too obvious that he was going to get killed off. At least SBP is still around.


He shoudve died.

[Amazing Afroman]

Sorry if it's been asked already but has there been any explanation yet as to how Jason and the Joker survived the explosion?

[jaydawg]

Freddy is based on Elvis, makes him God in my book.
No, Elvis based his look on Freddy. :)

[yenaled]

I think with Lois dead E-2 Supes didn't have a lot to live for. He's now remembered and had a cool death, so that's all cool.

[Darthphere]

No, Elvis based his look on Freddy. :)


True that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Earth-2 Supes needed to die because, as yen pointed out, without his Lois he had nothing left to live for. He was grasping at a non-life in his little prison with Alex and Superwhiner Prime for years; the only bright spot in his life was that Lois was right there with him. Notice how they're the only two people who escaped the corrupting influence of Alex's hell? Without one, the other falls. E2 Supes knew after Lois had died that his day was done and it was simply time to move on.

Plus, having alternate versions of random characters floating around is just lame. It was bad enough that Earth-2 Batman showed up in JSA recently as a ghost.

[marcofthebeast]

Actually Elvis was a big fan of Captain Marvel junior books in the day so In elvis's TCB Logo there is a lighting bolt in it. The only time CMjr look liked Elvis (and viseversa) was in kingdom come and he was purposely made to look like elvis.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Sorry if it's been asked already but has there been any explanation yet as to how Jason and the Joker survived the explosion?Yes Superboy Prime punches

[yenaled]

Actually Elvis was a big fan of Captain Marvel junior books in the day so In elvis's TCB Logo there is a lighting bolt in it. The only time CMjr look liked Elvis (and viseversa) was in kingdom come and he was purposely made to look like elvis.

It's actually kind of a paradox.

Elvis based his look a lot on Freddy from the original chalton comics but when Freddy got put into post-crisis DCU he the character based his look on Elvis.

[Fledermaus]

Sorry if it's been asked already but has there been any explanation yet as to how Jason and the Joker survived the explosion?

The Joker survived because he's the goddamn Joker.

[cerealkiller182]

What was that thing that washed up on the shore near the end? It was found by 2 kids. At first i thought it was a GL battery but it had a yellow cane or something.

[Archangel08]

tangent green lantern

[Green Lantern]

It's actually kind of a paradox.

Elvis based his look a lot on Freddy from the original chalton comics but when Freddy got put into post-crisis DCU he the character based his look on Elvis.Cept it wasn't Charlton for the Marvel family, it was Fawcett ;)

[yenaled]

Haha yes, slip of the fingers :D

[TheCorpulent1]

You must have some crazy fingers.

[Green Lantern]

Yeah, thatd be like typing maggot infested crap while meaning Marvel Comics... oh wait same thing :D

[ToddIsDead]

I just read IC 7 today. Absolutely awesome. I'm glad that it's over, but I'm also going to miss it. Atleast I'll have 52 and all of the OYL stuff.

And the Joker and Luthor moment is maybe one of my favorite moments ever put on page. Simply spectacular.

[regwec]

I just read it, too- been really busy. It was great, but I would rather have kept Alex and lost Superboy Prime, and the death of the former was fairly shocking.

[drastic_quench]

I just read it, too- been really busy. It was great, but I would rather have kept Alex and lost Superboy Prime, and the death of the former was fairly shocking.
Yeah, I was thinking it'd end up like that, too. Alex lives; Prime dies. Ah well.

[ToddIsDead]

Yeah, it would have been interesting the other way around, but I'm just way to happy with Alex's death scene to complain in any huge degree.

[WormyT]

I just read it, too- been really busy. It was great, but I would rather have kept Alex and lost Superboy Prime, and the death of the former was fairly shocking.
I agree. Although it was a great death I like Alexander. SB Prime is just too damn powerful to have as a villain. what are the heros meant to do when he eventually escapes. Might as well be fighting God. :(

[boywondernerdDC]

yeah what are they going to do when not if he escapes

[TheCorpulent1]

By then the JLA will be back. Then they'll just call in the reserves and kick his ass the same way they kicked Imperiex, Mageddon, Darkseid, and everyone else's ass.

[Darthphere]

By then the JLA will be back. Then they'll just call in the reserves and kick his ass the same way they kicked Imperiex, Mageddon, Darkseid, and everyone else's ass.


Which Darkseid?

[ToddIsDead]

Yeah, if they get organized, I think they could take him.

[sethcohen]

i got a question... why is there a mongul action figure featured in the InC line if he didnt appear AT ALL?

[Darthphere]

i got a question... why is there a mongul action figure featured in the InC line if he didnt appear AT ALL?


He did, issue #1 son.

[Lackey]

First issue



Edit: Darthphere's too fast :(

[ToddIsDead]

i got a question... why is there a mongul action figure featured in the InC line if he didnt appear AT ALL?
:confused: ... Maybe it's time that you reread IC.

[sethcohen]

i have every issue... i dont remember him ANYWHERE... am i going blind? ill have to recheck :(

[Darthphere]

First issue



Edit: Darthphere's too fast :(


Fastest poster alive.

[Shadowknight]

I agree. Although it was a great death I like Alexander. SB Prime is just too damn powerful to have as a villain. what are the heros meant to do when he eventually escapes. Might as well be fighting God. :(
Since you mentioned god... If the writers wanted a Deus ex Machina, they could just have the Spectre pop up and turn him into a bagel. And the Spectre, of course, being a sadistic creature, would cut him in half, spread some butter/jam on him, then eat him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Which Darkseid?
The Darkseid that's gonna punch you in the face for me. :mad:

[Silverstein]

i have to say, i like the idea of a supervillain as powerful as sbp, but that last page in ic #7 was so contrived and unoriginal that it almost completely turned me off of the character. didn't conner do the same thing after he shaved his head in teen titans?

I actually agree with this. SPB is awesome to have somewhere in the universe. It's cool to know that there is someone as strong as superman without his weakness of kryptonite who is evil and thinks he is the real superman. And he's smart and cunning, not a dumbass like bizarro.


BUT...That was so cliche having him being guarded in a jail cell swearing vengeance. It almost threw everything else off. The saving grace was seeing Alex get his from the Joker.

And now superboy prime has his own agenda without alex there to "guide" him. So that's cool.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd say he's a hell of a lot stronger than Superman, myself.

[ToddIsDead]

I think if you just got a re-powered Superman, Martian Manhunter, Powergirl, Supergirl, CM2, CM3, Captain Marvel if possible, and a few other heavy-hitters together at once, and they all just bum-rushed Prime, they could take him if he ever escaped again. Maybe.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm telling you, he's small potatoes once the JLA comes back. The League is pretty much built for taking douchebags like Superboy Prime down.

[ToddIsDead]

You're probably right. There's nothing better than when the League gets together and just takes down an over-powered ***** like Prime. Maybe in a few years, we'll see something like that. Though, I don't want him to break free anytime soon.

[TheCorpulent1]

Me either.

[WormyT]

JLA take down SBP? I don't know, maybe.
As long as they leave batman at home. i do not want to see Batman pull some little earth prime krptonite grenades from his belt or some crap. Utility belt vs. God.
Utility Belt wins again!

Prime is a great character though. I don't think they need to make him too dimented though. And wheres Wonder girls baby. She had to have had one in the year before leading to 1yL. Probably touched on in 52? Prime will probably find the baby and eat it.

[ToddIsDead]

Hey, just give Batman some prep-time, and he could probably find a way to punch out God. Prep-time is an inmeasurably powerful tool.

[WormyT]

Yep. He's probably got Lucifers nails cut into little demon darts, hidden in his glove and on the ready anytime he needs to take 'The Almighty' down.

[Doomed_hero]

I say just get a gun that shoots red sun rays. Batman wins.

[Anubis]

JLA take down SBP? I don't know, maybe.
As long as they leave batman at home. i do not want to see Batman pull some little earth prime krptonite grenades from his belt or some crap. Utility belt vs. God.
Utility Belt wins again!

Prime is a great character though. I don't think they need to make him too dimented though. And wheres Wonder girls baby. She had to have had one in the year before leading to 1yL. Probably touched on in 52? Prime will probably find the baby and eat it.

What the hell are you talking about? Cassie didn't have a kid.

[jaydawg]

Donna did.

[Anubis]

That was a while ago wasn't it?

[WormyT]

What the hell are you talking about? Cassie didn't have a kid.
I'm talking about Conner jnr. Why else make a big deal out of their fling. And she comes back sans child. I bet she had a kid. Unless shes in every issue of 52 sporting a flat tummy.

[Anubis]

You do know that sex doesn't always result in pregancy right? Last I saw neither character was Irish Catholic.

[Jono87]

I'm talking about Conner jnr. Why else make a big deal out of their fling. And she comes back sans child. I bet she had a kid. Unless shes in every issue of 52 sporting a flat tummy.

To make his death that much more tragic. They finally do it, only to not be able to again...until robin brings him back that is. Jeez, they barely let Selina have a kid and you think they're going to have a teen have one as well? Where is the sense in that? Any kid is a plot point. Why rush two in the time of one?

[WormyT]

You do know that sex doesn't always result in pregancy right? Last I saw neither character was Irish Catholic.
:D good one!
well this may prove you wrong. i think it's from 52 a later issue that is. Found it on another site.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1342/wondergirl4kd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ToddIsDead]

Hah! Is that real?

[Anubis]

You sure that aint just a photo manip or a badly drawn torso?

[WormyT]

I honestly have no clue. i know she wouldn't be fighting with a muffin in the oven. Unless they were in Danger.

[BrianWilly]

I'm talking about Conner jnr. Why else make a big deal out of their fling. And she comes back sans child. I bet she had a kid. Unless shes in every issue of 52 sporting a flat tummy.According to Dan Didio, she is not pregnant. Conner and Cassie were much more careful than that.

[Kurosawa]

you know wht could have been cool and ballsy on DCs part? NOT killing off E-2 Superman... could have been incredibly interesting to have him floating around the world doing his thing or even some one else E-1 Clark can go to with a slightly differnt viewpoint than his own... agree? disagree?

DC would have never ever had the balls to do that. Danny D. Dolt HATES Golden Age characters with a passion. It wouldn't surprise me to see the remaining Golden Age JSA members get the Zero Hour treatment to be honest.

[Kurosawa]

I think with Lois dead E-2 Supes didn't have a lot to live for. He's now remembered and had a cool death, so that's all cool.

One of the most disgusting, disrespectful and degrading deaths I've ever seen. He wasn't even the one who beat SBP. The message DC was trying to get across in that scene was the DCU Superman was superior to both the Siegel and Shuster original Superman (Kal-L) and the Silver Age Superman (which SBP was supposed to represent).

The original Superman gets beaten...to death...by a stupidly insane younger doppleganger of himself. **** DC.

I cut every one of their titles after IC #7.

[BrianWilly]

Yeah, so what else is new? You'll blindly hate post-Crisis DC a little more than you did before?

[jaydawg]

Snap!

[That-Guy]

One of the most disgusting, disrespectful and degrading deaths I've ever seen. He wasn't even the one who beat SBP. The message DC was trying to get across in that scene was the DCU Superman was superior to both the Siegel and Shuster original Superman (Kal-L) and the Silver Age Superman (which SBP was supposed to represent).

The original Superman gets beaten...to death...by a stupidly insane younger doppleganger of himself. **** DC.

I cut every one of their titles after IC #7.


SBP was supposed to represent the Silver Age Superman? Huh? So let me know what issues I need to read where Silver Age Supes was the only hero on his planet, never grew up, never fought a battle until the Crisis, lived in a Paradise Zone for 20 years and didn't age and then broke out, caused an integalactic war, and starting ripping people's heads off. I want to read THAT Superman story.

[ToddIsDead]

I have a quick question. In IC7, the Earth-8 Captain Atom counterpart blew up, and then appeared the normal Cap, correct? So at the end of CA: Armageddon, are we going to see Cap just disappear from the Wildstorm U and reappear in the middle of the DCU? Hopefully it's further explained in Armageddon.

[Pksoze]

I have a quick question. In IC7, the Earth-8 Captain Atom counterpart blew up, and then appeared the normal Cap, correct? So at the end of CA: Armageddon, are we going to see Cap just disappear from the Wildstorm U and reappear in the middle of the DCU? Hopefully it's further explained in Armageddon.


Maybe...

I think the point of that scene was to show what a redundant character Breach was.

[ToddIsDead]

Yeah. He really was redundant.

[LadyVader]

Or it's possible Captain Atom: Armagheddon is a type of Elseworld story. Not really in continuity. Or maybe it's another Captain Atom.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope. I'm pretty sure CAA is in-continuity for both the DC and Wildstorm universes. It's supposed to be part of the kickstart to a relaunch of the Wildstorm universe, actually.
I have a quick question. In IC7, the Earth-8 Captain Atom counterpart blew up, and then appeared the normal Cap, correct? So at the end of CA: Armageddon, are we going to see Cap just disappear from the Wildstorm U and reappear in the middle of the DCU? Hopefully it's further explained in Armageddon.
I'm sure Armageddon will give some explanation that correlates. Maybe Captain Atom and the new Void figure out a way to shoot Atom across the Bleed and back into the DC universe, but they needed some major energy output in the DC universe to lock onto. Breach (whose primary power was tearing rifts in space/time) explodes and voila, they lock on and Atom returns to the DC universe. That's all just a guess, though.

[yenaled]

Breach was a great character and damn you all for not buying the series.

Damn you all to Hell.

[TheCorpulent1]

I bought and enjoyed his series. It was just kind of predictable that he'd die in IC to bring Captain Atom back, since the Breach comic itself was originally intended to be a Captain Atom story. Sad, but I wasn't too broken up because it was clearly expected.

[ToddIsDead]

Captain Atom is better anyway.

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree, but Breach was an interesting character too. It's not like DC doesn't have some redundancy in its major characters already, and Breach even had significantly different powers from Captain Atom.

[yenaled]

I'm still secretly hoping for Breach being placed into the WSU, even if Corpulent tells me it won't happen :D

(Which he probably is right about)

I dunno, the nature of the Captain Atom "family" (Captain Atom, Major Force and now Breach) screams that we know they can't be killed and we know because they are pure energy and as energy can't be destoryed it has to go somewhere, so if the Captain is disappearing like that to the WSU it makes sense for something to replace him over there.

But again I'm clutching at straws.

Captain Atom is back in the DCU and hopefully at a much higher profile, lets just be happy at that.

[LadyVader]

What is the conection between Major Force and Captain Atom, besides the fact that they are beings made of energy.

[TheCorpulent1]

Major Force was created in an attempt to recreate the experiment that created Captain Atom. The main difference is that Force will allow himself to be used as a stooge for whatever the government wants while Atom thinks for himself and generally goes the more heroic route. Atom's also more powerful.
I'm still secretly hoping for Breach being placed into the WSU, even if Corpulent tells me it won't happen

(Which he probably is right about)
I would certainly love to see Breach in the Wildstorm universe. I don't think it's likely, though. The relaunches all seem to focus more tightly on the core members of each book.

[yenaled]

What is the conection between Major Force and Captain Atom, besides the fact that they are beings made of energy.

They were both made by the same project.

[drastic_quench]

I'm thinking that the next Justice League writer wanted Captain Adam and they thought up how to bring him back in Crisis.

[ToddIsDead]

If Meltzer has Cap as one of the JLA mainstays, I'd be extremely happy.

[LadyVader]

I for one am happy that Captain Atom gets to go home, but now with IC7 it spoiled my ending. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll be happy if Captain Atom's on the new JLA and doesn't get watered down again.

[ToddIsDead]

I'll be happy if Captain Atom's on the new JLA and doesn't get watered down again.
That too :up:

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, so what else is new? You'll blindly hate post-Crisis DC a little more than you did before?

It's more like I can actually see it for the crap it is without the cloud of mindless fanboyism blocking my view.

[yenaled]

Not to sound harsh; but stick to your Showcase presents... then, let us enjoy the current DCU right now. Don't buy it, don't moan about it.

[Kurosawa]

SBP was supposed to represent the Silver Age Superman? Huh? So let me know what issues I need to read where Silver Age Supes was the only hero on his planet, never grew up, never fought a battle until the Crisis, lived in a Paradise Zone for 20 years and didn't age and then broke out, caused an integalactic war, and starting ripping people's heads off. I want to read THAT Superman story.

Superboy-Prime was used in the first Crisis to represent the Silver Age Superboy since obviously the actual Silver Age Superboy was in the Crisis as Superman. He was created by Julie Schwartz and the great Elliot S! Maggin as a tribute to those comics and their fans. In IC, he was used as a mouthpiece to degrade Silver Age fans by expressing many of their viewpoints about today's comics and their "heroes". Basically the message that DC was trying to send is that if you disagree with anything they do, then you are childish, immature and insane-like SBP was in IC. It's a personal slap in the face to fans like me and to large groups of Superman fandom who feel that the character ceased to exist after 1986.

If COIE killed the Multiverse, then IC dug up it's corpse and raped it over and over. It was a final "**** you" to Pre-Crisis fans from DC. Right back at the bastards, I say. **** DC.

And no, I don't expect anyone to agree with me, and i'm not trying to convince anyone to either. I know my opinions about comcs are radical.

[Green Lantern]

Superboy-Prime was used in the first Crisis to represent the Silver Age Superboy since obviously the actual Silver Age Superboy was in the Crisis as Superman. He was created by Julie Schwartz and the great Elliot S! Maggin as a tribute to those comics and their fans. In IC, he was used as a mouthpiece to degrade Silver Age fans by expressing many of their viewpoints about today's comics and their "heroes". Basically the message that DC was trying to send is that if you disagree with anything they do, then you are childish, immature and insane-like SBP was in IC. It's a personal slap in the face to fans like me and to large groups of Superman fandom who feel that the character ceased to exist after 1986.

If COIE killed the Multiverse, then IC dug up it's corpse and raped it over and over. It was a final "**** you" to Pre-Crisis fans from DC. Right back at the bastards, I say. **** DC.

And no, I don't expect anyone to agree with me, and i'm not trying to convince anyone to either. I know my opinions about comcs are radical.So then what about the so called "Silver Age Revival" that so many fans of the 90s comics are b**ching about now? The return of Hal Jordan, the killing of Conner, the return to silver age status quos regarding Superman being Superboy, Wonder Woman on the JLA, and Batman's parents killer. The revival of the Satelite Era league members as power players? You only see DC doing away with the silver age mentality because YOU want to see that. Many of us see many aspects of that mentality returning to power in DC Comics.

[Pksoze]

Superboy-Prime was used in the first Crisis to represent the Silver Age Superboy since obviously the actual Silver Age Superboy was in the Crisis as Superman. He was created by Julie Schwartz and the great Elliot S! Maggin as a tribute to those comics and their fans. In IC, he was used as a mouthpiece to degrade Silver Age fans by expressing many of their viewpoints about today's comics and their "heroes". Basically the message that DC was trying to send is that if you disagree with anything they do, then you are childish, immature and insane-like SBP was in IC. It's a personal slap in the face to fans like me and to large groups of Superman fandom who feel that the character ceased to exist after 1986.

If COIE killed the Multiverse, then IC dug up it's corpse and raped it over and over. It was a final "**** you" to Pre-Crisis fans from DC. Right back at the bastards, I say. **** DC.

And no, I don't expect anyone to agree with me, and i'm not trying to convince anyone to either. I know my opinions about comcs are radical.


Well to be honest isn't Superboy Prime an accurate presentation then. For example fans like you view everything as garbage, disregard the current Superman, and want to destroy everything & turn back the clock to how it used to be.

That's Superboy Prime's actions as well in the comics.

Yet, when you see that character reflecting fandom he's viewed as a whiney destructive jerk.

The portrayal wouldn't sting so much if it didn't have a large degree of truth to it.

[Kurosawa]

So then what about the so called "Silver Age Revival" that so many fans of the 90s comics are b**ching about now? The return of Hal Jordan, the killing of Conner, the return to silver age status quos regarding Superman being Superboy, Wonder Woman on the JLA, and Batman's parents killer. The revival of the Satelite Era league members as power players? You only see DC doing away with the silver age mentality because YOU want to see that. Many of us see many aspects of that mentality returning to power in DC Comics.

It's still not clear that Superman was ever Superboy. And he's still not the Silver Age Superman. Hal Jordan is back because what they did to him was stupid in the first place, as was the retcon considering Wonder Woman and the JLA. I do think kiling Kon-El was a bad idea. What DC has managed to do is come up with a solution that satisifies neither Silver Age fans or 90's fans. That would be ok with me had they not brought back the original Superman, drug him through the mud and then killed him in a humiliating manner.

[BrianWilly]

It's more like I can actually see it for the crap it is without the cloud of mindless fanboyism blocking my view.
Have you done a search through you own posts on this forum (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1421981), Kurosawa? About 90% of all the posts you've ever made here -- and just 90% is being extremely generous, mind you -- includes some form of complaining/whining/ranting about how much CoIE screwed up your flawless silver age DCU and how much you hate post-Crisis DC for all the changes they've made.

And now IC has come and gone, and here you are doing the exact same thing. Ooh, color me stunned, now you have something else to hate them for. Maybe people who actually like the current DCU can be accused of "mindless fanboyism." But we sure as hell aren't the only ones.

[Kurosawa]

Have you done a search through you own posts on this forum (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1421981), Kurosawa? About 90% of all the posts you've ever made here -- and just 90% is being extremely generous, mind you -- includes some form of complaining/whining/ranting about how much CoIE screwed up your flawless silver age DCU and how much you hate post-Crisis DC for all the changes they've made.

And now IC has come and gone, and here you are doing the exact same thing. Ooh, color me stunned, now you have something else to hate them for. Maybe people who actually like the current DCU can be accused of "mindless fanboyism." But we sure as hell aren't the only ones.

As far as I'm concerned, a fanboy is a fan who accepts whatever TPTB do, fawns over popular writers and aritsts, and generally is a mindless follower of whatever's current and popular.

All of my opinions are based on a consistent position: that DC made a massive mistake getting rid of the Multiverse, and that comics in the past 20 years have become too violent, too dark and too emo. Comics-in my opinion-have changed from being stories of fantasy to soap operas with superheroes. I am strictly against strong graphic violence, death, rape, "heroes" that kill and faux realism in superhero comics. I'm fine with adult content in other types of comics. Now I don't expect people to agree with me and I completely realize that my positions are way out of the mainstream for comics fandom and are radical. I know there's no realistic chance that DC or Marvel would ever go back to a Silver/Bronze Age style in their books. But I like what I like and hate what I hate.

As long as DC continues to publish negative comics I will continue to have a negative opinion of them. And IMO, their books are completely negative. Reading them gives me no pleasure because i care about the characters and many of my favorite characters have been either ruined or killed by DC.

[Darthphere]

As far as I'm concerned, a fanboy is a fan who accepts whatever TPTB do, fawns over popular writers and aritsts, and generally is a mindless follower of whatever's current and popular.

All of my opinions are based on a consistent position: that DC made a massive mistake getting rid of the Multiverse, and that comics in the past 20 years have become too violent, too dark and too emo. Comics-in my opinion-have changed from being stories of fantasy to soap operas with superheroes. I am strictly against strong graphic violence, death, rape, "heroes" that kill and faux realism in superhero comics. I'm fine with adult content in other types of comics. Now I don't expect people to agree with me and I completely realize that my positions are way out of the mainstream for comics fandom and are radical. I know there's no realistic chance that DC or Marvel would ever go back to a Silver/Bronze Age style in their books. But I like what I like and hate what I hate.

As long as DC continues to publish negative comics I will continue to have a negative opinion of them. And IMO, their books are completely negative. Reading them gives me no pleasure because i care about the characters and many of my favorite characters have been either ruined or killed by DC.


Its radical, but its a valid stand.


By the way, did you ever read DC: New Frontier?

[ToddIsDead]

New Frontier kicked ten kinds of ass. One of my favorite maxi-series in a long time.

[Kurosawa]

Its radical, but its a valid stand.


By the way, did you ever read DC: New Frontier?

No, I didn't. I'll check it out.

[Darthphere]

No, I didn't. I'll check it out.


I think its right up your alley.

[BrianWilly]

As far as I'm concerned, a fanboy is a fan who accepts whatever TPTB do, fawns over popular writers and aritsts, and generally is a mindless follower of whatever's current and popular.Right until that last part. You can't claim that there's all of a sudden a set era or mainstream popularity quota necessary to be a fanboy. If we're modern age fanboys then you're a silver age fanboy; it's that simple.

All of my opinions are based on a consistent position: that DC made a massive mistake getting rid of the Multiverse, and that comics in the past 20 years have become too violent, too dark and too emo. Comics-in my opinion-have changed from being stories of fantasy to soap operas with superheroes. I am strictly against strong graphic violence, death, rape, "heroes" that kill and faux realism in superhero comics. I'm fine with adult content in other types of comics. Now I don't expect people to agree with me and I completely realize that my positions are way out of the mainstream for comics fandom and are radical. I know there's no realistic chance that DC or Marvel would ever go back to a Silver/Bronze Age style in their books. But I like what I like and hate what I hate.

As long as DC continues to publish negative comics I will continue to have a negative opinion of them. And IMO, their books are completely negative. Reading them gives me no pleasure because i care about the characters and many of my favorite characters have been either ruined or killed by DC.And yet here you are on the forum of a company you hate, reading their comics and complaining when they don't meet the standards that you already knew they wouldn't meet. You knew you wouldn't like Infinite Crisis right from the start -- I mean, "IMO, their books are completely negative"? "Reading them gives me no pleasure"? Give me a break -- and here you are acting indignant and offended that you don't like it. Never has the oft-overused slogan "If you don't like it, why are you still reading it?" been more appropriate.

[Amazing Afroman]

Hey just thought I'd give a preview of an Infinite Crisis retrospective that I'm working on. This is the rough lead in section which shows the deterioration of the DCU. It's really short and I haven't added the music yet but it shows here I'm going. Let me know what you all think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXIUgb8z-E0

[Kurosawa]

Right until that last part. You can't claim that there's all of a sudden a set era or mainstream popularity quota necessary to be a fanboy. If we're modern age fanboys then you're a silver age fanboy; it's that simple.

The big differences are that in the Silver Age the characters were more important than the creators, and also much of the time the characters original creators would be the person handling the character. But I will say that I'd definately take Fox and Lee over Johns and Bendis as writers any day of the week.

And yet here you are on the forum of a company you hate, reading their comics and complaining when they don't meet the standards that you already knew they wouldn't meet. You knew you wouldn't like Infinite Crisis right from the start -- I mean, "IMO, their books are completely negative"? "Reading them gives me no pleasure"? Give me a break -- and here you are acting indignant and offended that you don't like it. Never has the oft-overused slogan "If you don't like it, why are you still reading it?" been more appropriate.

Last time I checked it was still a free country, and you can read something you don't like.

[Harlekin]

Well, I finally got to read Infinite Crisis #7 and I loved it all the way through. Ah, it feels great to finally be able to talk about it.

[gildea]

man dc: new frontier was all kinds of good

[Pksoze]

Hey just thought I'd give a preview of an Infinite Crisis retrospective that I'm working on. This is the rough lead in section which shows the deterioration of the DCU. It's really short and I haven't added the music yet but it shows here I'm going. Let me know what you all think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXIUgb8z-E0


That's really good... can't wait till you add in music.

You might want to add stuff from the original Crisis as well.

[Pksoze]

I think its right up your alley.


I agree with that, New Frontier is a really good book that any fan would enjoy.

[Keyser Soze]

Well, I just finished reading Infinte Crisis #7, and all I can say is...WOW!

That scene with The Joker and Lex Luthor gettin revenge on Alex Luthor was what I've been wanting to see since IC started. Probably the highlight of the whole series.

[Amazing Afroman]

That's really good... can't wait till you add in music.

You might want to add stuff from the original Crisis as well.

Thanks. Here's the completed intro. Covering events from the origional crisis to blue beetle's death. Hopefully I can get around to finishing the whole restrospective this weekend.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iIANXBscGXU

[Pksoze]

Thanks. Here's the completed intro. Covering events from the origional crisis to blue beetle's death. Hopefully I can get around to finishing the whole restrospective this weekend.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iIANXBscGXU


Keep it up I'm really looking forward to it.

[Pksoze]

Right until that last part. You can't claim that there's all of a sudden a set era or mainstream popularity quota necessary to be a fanboy. If we're modern age fanboys then you're a silver age fanboy; it's that simple.

And yet here you are on the forum of a company you hate, reading their comics and complaining when they don't meet the standards that you already knew they wouldn't meet. You knew you wouldn't like Infinite Crisis right from the start -- I mean, "IMO, their books are completely negative"? "Reading them gives me no pleasure"? Give me a break -- and here you are acting indignant and offended that you don't like it. Never has the oft-overused slogan "If you don't like it, why are you still reading it?" been more appropriate.


Its a waste of time... to chat with him.

He's one of those grumpy fans. Ever met MOTA on the Newsarama boards he's exactly the same way but he *****es about the Silver Age.

Anyway it might be bizarre he spends money on stuff he hates, but it is his right.

Though Silver Age fans never realized is that their entire era is a retcon of the golden age.

There was a reason earth 2 was created.

Because 1938 Superman did not jibe at all with 1958 Superman in personality, costume,history, or powers.

To many golden age fans the Silver Age Superman was as fraudulent to them as the current Supes is to Silver Age fans.

Their utter hypocrisy is mirrored in the character of Superboy Prime.

And if Superboy Prime allegedly represents the Silver Age, look at who he murdered, the representation of the Golden Age.

[Assassin]

ohh snap!

:p

[Green Lantern]

Last time I checked it was still a free country, and you can read something you don't like.But the fact of the matter is why? If you know that you aren't going to like something WHY would you WANT to waste your money on something that you don't like? :confused: But I guess it is your money, and if you feel the need to blow it on things you don't like, go right ahead.

[Assassin]

because he's an idiot, let it go.

[TheCorpulent1]

Same reason people read X-Men comics besides Astonishing, I imagine: vain hope that maybe, just maybe, it'll get better if they spend money and wish hard enough. ;)

[Darthphere]

Just ask about 70% of the people who buy New Avengers.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, a lot of people inexplicably seem to actually enjoy New Avengers. It boggles the mind, but there it is.

[Darthphere]

Wouldnt surprise me, a lot of people I know and some on here admit they only buy the title because most of the big events in the MU start from there.

[sinewave]

Same reason people read X-Men comics besides Astonishing, I imagine: vain hope that maybe, just maybe, it'll get better if they spend money and wish hard enough. ;)

yup. couldn't have said it better myself. the x-men really suck these last 3-5 years. maybe that's why i've become more of a dc fan these last few years. oh yeah, that and marvel's management sucks balls.

[sinewave]

Just ask about 70% of the people who buy New Avengers.

sadly, yes. i'm thinking about dropping it after this arc is over. since mcniven left there's really nothing redeeming left for it.

[Assassin]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/civilwar.jpg

[Darthphere]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/civilwar.jpg


This banner is stupid, because it doesnt make sense.

[ToddIsDead]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/civilwar.jpg
I like it.

[sethcohen]

hahaha that banner is awesome... JQ has been running Marvel into the ground... sucks too because he started off great...

[Darthphere]

hahaha that banner is awesome... JQ has been running Marvel into the ground... sucks too because he started off great...


Ha-ha, yeah running into the ground lol omg lmao wtf?!?!?!1!!!111!

[sethcohen]

Ha-ha, yeah running into the ground lol omg lmao wtf?!?!?!1!!!111!
sorry... i should clarify... i meant in storytelling, not finacially... youd half to kill have the major characters or some other hairbrained stunt to hurt a company like marvel or DC finacially

[Kurosawa]

Its a waste of time... to chat with him.

He's one of those grumpy fans. Ever met MOTA on the Newsarama boards he's exactly the same way but he *****es about the Silver Age.

Anyway it might be bizarre he spends money on stuff he hates, but it is his right.

Though Silver Age fans never realized is that their entire era is a retcon of the golden age.

There was a reason earth 2 was created.

Because 1938 Superman did not jibe at all with 1958 Superman in personality, costume,history, or powers.

To many golden age fans the Silver Age Superman was as fraudulent to them as the current Supes is to Silver Age fans.

Their utter hypocrisy is mirrored in the character of Superboy Prime.

And if Superboy Prime allegedly represents the Silver Age, look at who he murdered, the representation of the Golden Age.


The Silver Age did NOT retcon away the Golden Age. That's what was great about it-it created something new without destroying what had been done previously. It was all addition and no subtraction.

Post-Crisis DC was addition with subtraction. Do you realize that, Post-Crisis, not a single Jerry Siegel Superman story was canon? His Golden Age stories were retconned away because there was no Earth-Two and his Silver Age stories were retconed away because of MOS. I don't know how anyone can defend that.

I don't believe in wiping out any stories. I wouldn't even support getting rid of the Post-Crisis DCU Earth.

[Kurosawa]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/GreenLantern2815/civilwar.jpg

Nope, makes no sense at all.

Unless Civil War ends with Captain America being beaten to death after he has turned into a villian and teamed up with the Red Skull, then Civil War > Infinite Crapfest.

[regwec]

You have become ever so tiresome.

[yenaled]

But actually Infinite Criss hasn't retconned the stories away, actually they have nearly done the exact same thing that the Silver Age stories did with Golden Age.

"These stories happened, people remember the old heroes in the multiverse but they are not current continuity on our [new] Earth".

[Kurosawa]

You have become ever so tiresome.

Sorry, but I don't kiss DC's ass. Or Marvels. They've done more than their share of disgusting crap.

I guess the truth bothers people.

[regwec]

You don't have to appease anyone, but it is needlessly confrontational towards other members to articulate your opinions in such an aggressive fashion, especially when they run so completely opposed to almost everyone here.

[Shadowknight]

But the fact of the matter is why? If you know that you aren't going to like something WHY would you WANT to waste your money on something that you don't like? :confused: But I guess it is your money, and if you feel the need to blow it on things you don't like, go right ahead.
Over on the DC boards, some of the regular posters practically brag about how much they hate the book because Ronnie Raymond isn't in it. They won't even consider that the book might be good without the original Firestorm, despite the old rogues gallery, in addition to Professor Stein, being brought back. Even worse, they'll free-read instead of buying it during their *****-fest. No matter how much of a troll they are, I still respect haters that BUY THE BOOK instead of free-reading it for the purpose of slamming it.

[Kurosawa]

But actually Infinite Criss hasn't retconned the stories away, actually they have nearly done the exact same thing that the Silver Age stories did with Golden Age.

"These stories happened, people remember the old heroes in the multiverse but they are not current continuity on our [new] Earth".

If they hadn't killed Kal-L I would actually be must happier with the Post-IC status quo than I was with the Post-Crisis status quo.

And if they were to, say, let Roy Thomas finish All-Star Squadron with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman a part of it-then I'd definately buy that series.

All I want is an alternative to the incredibly violent, vertigo-level superhero books like IC and something more in line with Bronze Age stuff like Clairemont/Byrne X-Men, satellite-era JLA, etc. Something along the lines of Dan Slott's stuff. With a Multiverse, DC could have done that on those Earths and left the bloodletting to their mainstream Earth since that's what people want nowadays.

[Green Lantern]

Sorry, but I don't kiss DC's ass. Or Marvels. They've done more than their share of disgusting crap.

I guess the truth bothers people.No, what bothers people is when certain individuals preach their OPINIONS as "truth" The majority of us liked Infinite Crisis. You didn't. That makes it a bad story to YOU, not to everyone. Your opinion is just that, OPINION, not fact, not law. Live with it.

[Kurosawa]

You don't have to appease anyone, but it is needlessly confrontational towards other members to articulate your opinions in such an aggressive fashion, especially when they run so completely opposed to almost everyone here.


I get slammed in personal ways for my opinions all the time. I just ignore it.

[Kurosawa]

No, what bothers people is when certain individuals preach their OPINIONS as "truth" The majority of us liked Infinite Crisis. You didn't. That makes it a bad story to YOU, not to everyone. Your opinion is just that, OPINION, not fact, not law. Live with it.

I've never said my opinions are facts. In fact if you check my earlier post where I clearly state my position on modern comics, I state over and over that all of what I am saying is strictly in my opinion. And as I said before, I'm fully aware that my opinions are radical.

[Green Lantern]

I've never said my opinions are facts. In fact if you check my earlier post where I clearly state my position on modern comics, I state over and over that all of what I am saying is strictly in my opinion. And as I said before, I'm fully aware that my opinions are radical.

Sorry, but I don't kiss DC's ass. Or Marvels. They've done more than their share of disgusting crap.

I guess the truth bothers people.Then whats that? :confused:

[Kurosawa]

because he's an idiot, let it go.

Thus proving my point that I do get personal insults because of my radical opinions. I say, **** 'em.

[Kurosawa]

Then whats that? :confused:

Me being a dick. :p

[Green Lantern]

It would also be you contradicting yourself.

[Pksoze]

The Silver Age did NOT retcon away the Golden Age. That's what was great about it-it created something new without destroying what had been done previously. It was all addition and no subtraction.

Post-Crisis DC was addition with subtraction. Do you realize that, Post-Crisis, not a single Jerry Siegel Superman story was canon? His Golden Age stories were retconned away because there was no Earth-Two and his Silver Age stories were retconed away because of MOS. I don't know how anyone can defend that.

I don't believe in wiping out any stories. I wouldn't even support getting rid of the Post-Crisis DCU Earth.


Do you even believe what you're saying.

Originally there was no Superboy, no krypto, no Superman was far weaker.

retcon ='s retroactive continuity. And that retroactive continuity replaced the real Superman origin.

Sure there was earth 2 but how often did appear in the 50's usually only in the crossover titles.

The original Superman was shunted from main character to a bit player in the DCU.

And there have been several reboots. Look at what they did with Superman's origin. Remember how kryptonians all had powers, then how Superman Supes powers were effected by gravity.



There was no official Crisis, because there was no true continuity. Comics adventures didn't start referencing pasts stories till the Bronze Age.

Short story, comic ages shift the comics I grew up with are in the Jurgens era. That stuff was in the late 80's to late 90's.

All post 86.

But you said the character I grew up with wasn't the true Superman, that he didn't exist.

Well to a Golden Age fan the Silver Age version was a fraud as well. And don't even take my word for it.

I lurk on the DC Boards & there is a poster who bought the original Superman comics in 1938... and has shown great knowledge of the archives. He doesn't think his Superman has been around since the late 40's.

He calls the original Supes a science fiction character & the silver age a science fantasy character.

And I even haven't talked about the gigantic character shift in Batman, you think kids who liked the 1930's Batman liked the bulk of his adventures in the 50's & 60's.

And yeah I'm sad Kal L died & I would like to hear Johns reasoning for it, but not everything is garbage because of that.

[yenaled]

If they hadn't killed Kal-L I would actually be must happier with the Post-IC status quo than I was with the Post-Crisis status quo.

And if they were to, say, let Roy Thomas finish All-Star Squadron with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman a part of it-then I'd definately buy that series.

All I want is an alternative to the incredibly violent, vertigo-level superhero books like IC and something more in line with Bronze Age stuff like Clairemont/Byrne X-Men, satellite-era JLA, etc. Something along the lines of Dan Slott's stuff. With a Multiverse, DC could have done that on those Earths and left the bloodletting to their mainstream Earth since that's what people want nowadays.

I agree that Kal-L's circumstance of death was violent, but I don't think it was dishonourable and I thought the scenes of him dying with Kara were really touching. After all, you've never ever going to again see a Superman actually die.

I also don't think he could have lived, but he better get a statue in the post-IC DCU.

The problem with asking for a book with the feel of the Bronze Age, like Dan Slott does today - is that they don't sell (the Thing proves this). DC would just be wasting and loosing money putting tht much effort into a Bronze Age tale. Even when they do, with New Frontier - one of the best stories of 2004 - it gets largly ignored by people until word of mouth proves how good it is. Even the exact people like you who it was aimed at ignored it.

[raybia]

I agree that Kal-L's circumstance of death was violent, but I don't think it was dishonourable and I thought the scenes of him dying with Kara were really touching. After all, you've never ever going to again see a Superman actually die.

I also don't think he could have lived, but he better get a statue in the post-IC DCU.

The problem with asking for a book with the feel of the Bronze Age, like Dan Slott does today - is that they don't sell (the Thing proves this). DC would just be wasting and loosing money putting tht much effort into a Bronze Age tale. Even when they do, with New Frontier - one of the best stories of 2004 - it gets largly ignored by people until word of mouth proves how good it is. Even the exact people like you who it was aimed at ignored it.

Kal-L dying felt the same way as Kirk dying in Star Trek: Generations, Empty.

[sethcohen]

Kal-L dying felt the same way that Kirk dying was in Star Trek: Generations, Empty.
Totally...

[XFanTim]

The problem with asking for a book with the feel of the Bronze Age, like Dan Slott does today - is that they don't sell (the Thing proves this).Or maybe it proves that the Thing just isn't popular enough to support a solo book.

[BrianWilly]

The big differences are that in the Silver Age the characters were more important than the creators, and also much of the time the characters original creators would be the person handling the character. But I will say that I'd definately take Fox and Lee over Johns and Bendis as writers any day of the week.What does this have to do with anything I've said? You're a fanboy, plain and simple. Same as anyone else here. The fact that you think you're somehow not just because you're fawning over some better era or whatever is just denial up and down the street. Glass houses, man. Glass houses.

Last time I checked it was still a free country, and you can read something you don't like.Which is stupid. Just because you have the right to be stupid doesn't mean you should be.

All I want is an alternative to the incredibly violent, vertigo-level superhero books like IC and something more in line with Bronze Age stuff like Clairemont/Byrne X-Men, satellite-era JLA, etc. Something along the lines of Dan Slott's stuff.Read Johnny DC, then. Quit reading books you know you're going to hate and then complainining about it to people who like it. That doesn't make you "radical" or standing up for your opinions or whatever. That just makes you a hater.

[Kurosawa]

Do you even believe what you're saying.

Originally there was no Superboy, no krypto, no Superman was far weaker.

retcon ='s retroactive continuity. And that retroactive continuity replaced the real Superman origin.

Sure there was earth 2 but how often did appear in the 50's usually only in the crossover titles.

The original Superman was shunted from main character to a bit player in the DCU.

And there have been several reboots. Look at what they did with Superman's origin. Remember how kryptonians all had powers, then how Superman Supes powers were effected by gravity.



There was no official Crisis, because there was no true continuity. Comics adventures didn't start referencing pasts stories till the Bronze Age.

Short story, comic ages shift the comics I grew up with are in the Jurgens era. That stuff was in the late 80's to late 90's.

All post 86.

But you said the character I grew up with wasn't the true Superman, that he didn't exist.

Well to a Golden Age fan the Silver Age version was a fraud as well. And don't even take my word for it.

I lurk on the DC Boards & there is a poster who bought the original Superman comics in 1938... and has shown great knowledge of the archives. He doesn't think his Superman has been around since the late 40's.

He calls the original Supes a science fiction character & the silver age a science fantasy character.

And I even haven't talked about the gigantic character shift in Batman, you think kids who liked the 1930's Batman liked the bulk of his adventures in the 50's & 60's.

And yeah I'm sad Kal L died & I would like to hear Johns reasoning for it, but not everything is garbage because of that.


I don't think you entirely understand my position. Since I advocate alternate Earths, I'm for keeping EVERY story as canon...sometimes you may have to figure out which Earth to assign it to, but that's no problem. That was the great thing about the Multiverse-you have every version of the character available and canon. Imagine the outcry if Marvel had deleted the Earth 616 Captain America, Spider-Man, etc, when the started the Ultimates. But Marvel gave their fans what DC won't give theirs-a choice. It's the Post-Crisis Superman or nothing. The original is dead and the Silver Age Earth-One Superman is retconned out. True, All-Star Superman is close, but for 19 years Silver Age fans didn't even have that. And there's a lot of Silver Age Superman fans who are MUCH more hardcore anti-DC than I am. I did actually read the Jurgens run.

I wouldn't get rid of your Superman. But DC killed the GA Superman and retconned away the SA version. To me, that's bad custometer service.

And yeah-Kal-L's lame death was a lot like Kirk's death.

[Kurosawa]

I agree that Kal-L's circumstance of death was violent, but I don't think it was dishonourable and I thought the scenes of him dying with Kara were really touching. After all, you've never ever going to again see a Superman actually die.

I also don't think he could have lived, but he better get a statue in the post-IC DCU.

The problem with asking for a book with the feel of the Bronze Age, like Dan Slott does today - is that they don't sell (the Thing proves this). DC would just be wasting and loosing money putting tht much effort into a Bronze Age tale. Even when they do, with New Frontier - one of the best stories of 2004 - it gets largly ignored by people until word of mouth proves how good it is. Even the exact people like you who it was aimed at ignored it.

Pretty weird that I missed it. And as far as Thing not selling-to me that defines everything that is wrong with todays fans and todays market. If there's no place for a comic like Slott's Thing, it's a pretty crappy market , IMO.

[The Watchman]

New Frontier was amazing, right up your alley too.

[Kurosawa]

Read Johnny DC, then. Quit reading books you know you're going to hate and then complainining about it to people who like it. That doesn't make you "radical" or standing up for your opinions or whatever. That just makes you a hater.

Johnny DC is not what I want to see and making that statement just shows your complete ignorance. Johnny DC Comics are strictly for kids aged 8-13.

This is a Johnny DC comic:

http://www.titanstower.com/assets/animated/merchandise/teentiansgocovers/teentitansgo12.jpg

This is a Bronze Age DC comic:

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2005/mar9/jla195.jpg

Understand the difference? Johnny DC is for kids; Bronze Age comics were for all ages. They were for the fan who wanted stories with characterization but not buckets of blood, rapes, children murdered, etc.

[Assassin]

you're an old man arnt you?

[Marvin]

Batman was mishandled from start to finish...

considering who wrote this, I'm not surprised...

[Pksoze]

I don't think you entirely understand my position. Since I advocate alternate Earths, I'm for keeping EVERY story as canon...sometimes you may have to figure out which Earth to assign it to, but that's no problem. That was the great thing about the Multiverse-you have every version of the character available and canon. Imagine the outcry if Marvel had deleted the Earth 616 Captain America, Spider-Man, etc, when the started the Ultimates. But Marvel gave their fans what DC won't give theirs-a choice. It's the Post-Crisis Superman or nothing. The original is dead and the Silver Age Earth-One Superman is retconned out. True, All-Star Superman is close, but for 19 years Silver Age fans didn't even have that. And there's a lot of Silver Age Superman fans who are MUCH more hardcore anti-DC than I am. I did actually read the Jurgens run.

I wouldn't get rid of your Superman. But DC killed the GA Superman and retconned away the SA version. To me, that's bad custometer service.

And yeah-Kal-L's lame death was a lot like Kirk's death.


I liked the multiverse personally, never saw a problem with it. And if it made money DC wouldn't have done it.

Think about who runs DC now. Its Paul Levitz, now this is a guy who wrote the JSA & Earth 2 squadron, even worked on the Silver Age books you love.

Diddio talks a good game, but its Levitz who makes the big decisions.

And from many people's perspective Superman is Superman.

He still has a cape, Jimmy Olsen is still a scrub, he is still a reporter for the daily planet, Lex Luthor is still his arch enemy, and he is still at heart a genuinely decent man.

And according to the continuity wave the Pre Crisis is in continuity as the JSA remembered earth 2 Supes.

[Assassin]

If they hadn't killed Kal-L I would actually be must happier with the Post-IC status quo than I was with the Post-Crisis status quo.

And if they were to, say, let Roy Thomas finish All-Star Squadron with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman a part of it-then I'd definately buy that series.

All I want is an alternative to the incredibly violent, vertigo-level superhero books like IC and something more in line with Bronze Age stuff like Clairemont/Byrne X-Men, satellite-era JLA, etc. Something along the lines of Dan Slott's stuff. With a Multiverse, DC could have done that on those Earths and left the bloodletting to their mainstream Earth since that's what people want nowadays.

Jesus christ...

Dan slotts stuff? thats just being an ass kisser because you know he'll read it, am i the only one on here that will admit the thing isnt that great? i bought it when it came out and dropped it because it wasnt that good. all you asskissers better stop because ya'll didnt buy it when it started, you bought it when he asked you politely. and thats why i bought #6 ;)

and the multiverse blows, thats why they should cancel spidergirl at marvel, they have to much **** going on at once.

[Kurosawa]

you're an old man arnt you?

I'm 37. Not sure if that's old or not. I don't feel old. I've been reading comics since 1972, though.

[Kurosawa]

Jesus christ...

Jesus Christ... stop me if you've heared this one. Jesus Christ walks into a hotel, he hands the innkeeper three nails and he asks: 'Can you put me up for the night?'

Ooops, srry.

Dan slotts stuff? thats just being an ass kisser because you know he'll read it, am i the only one on here that will admit the thing isnt that great? i bought it when it came out and dropped it because it wasnt that good. all you asskissers better stop because ya'll didnt buy it when it started, you bought it when he asked you politely. and thats why i bought #6 ;)

First of all, I doubt Dan Slott's reading a thread where people are bickering over Infinite Crisis. Second, I don't kiss anyone's ass. I buy his Thing title because it's damn good and it gives me a chance to read a current comic without seeing gore and death every 5 pages. And I started buying it with issue #1.

and the multiverse blows, thats why they should cancel spidergirl at marvel, they have to much **** going on at once.

I don't have much to say for anyone who isn't capable of following alternate Earths.

[BrianWilly]

Wow, how's the view from up on that high horse?

[Shadowknight]

First of all, I doubt Dan Slott's reading a thread where people are bickering over Infinite Crisis. Second, I don't kiss anyone's ass. I buy his Thing title because it's damn good and it gives me a chance to read a current comic without seeing gore and death every 5 pages. And I started buying it with issue #1.
To interject for a second, recently I read Slott's "Arkham Asylum: Living Hell". Now it was really good, but a 180 from everything I've read by him so far. Really really really dark. So, he's capable of that kind of thing, but going by his Marvel work over the last couple of years, it doesn't seem that's really the type of story he prefers to tell.

[yenaled]

Sometimes I just feel you hate a product before it is put out simply because you do not like their situation anymore.

I feel the JSA arc has felt incredibly Bronze Age and the Detective/Batman arc by James Robinson is the best Batman has ever been written post-crisis - he actually feels like Batman not some prick. Superman is also amazing at the moment and really feels like a good spirited Silver Age tale.

There must be a cut off point where good stories are good even though you don't like the world they are in.

[Pksoze]

Sometimes I just feel you hate a product before it is put out simply because you do not like their situation anymore.

I feel the JSA arc has felt incredibly Bronze Age and the Detective/Batman arc by James Robinson is the best Batman has ever been written post-crisis - he actually feels like Batman not some prick. Superman is also amazing at the moment and really feels like a good spirited Silver Age tale.

There must be a cut off point where good stories are good even though you don't like the world they are in.


Yeah I have to say the DC books are pretty good.

There's really more of a light hearted feel as well in the books.

[Harlekin]

I'm 37. Not sure if that's old or not. I don't feel old. I've been reading comics since 1972, though.
You've been reading comics since you were 3?

[Brian Braddock]

You've been reading comics since you were 3?

It's quite possible - my 1st comic was Flash #285 and I was 3 years of age.

Didnt understand it much but it had pretty pictures. :)

[The Ether]

Yeah but after looking at the pretty pictures I chew on the paper and scribble on the pages:)

[RAMORE]

Absolutely hilarious review of issue #7. Even if you liked it, it's still pretty funny:

http://dialbforblog.com/archives/285/


This is soooooo funny thanks for sharing.

[RAMORE]

i have a few questions i need cleared up cause i haven't read #7 yet. How did alex lose his powers? why didn't batman lock him up after he almost shot him? why did superman have to fly through the red sun and lose his powers, was he pushing SBP and using that to stop him too?

[Doc Destruction]

This is soooooo funny thanks for sharing.

Really? Wow, I feel like I actually LOST IQ POINTS reading that.

Is that kid 10 years old or something? Maddox, you ain't, buddy.

[RAMORE]

didn't agree with everything he said but i thought it was dumb funny anyways.

I don't get the maddox comment?

[Doc Destruction]

The guy who runs the Best Page in the Universe. A TRUE bastard if ever there was one, but MAN is he right all the time.

[BrianWilly]

i have a few questions i need cleared up cause i haven't read #7 yet. How did alex lose his powers? why didn't batman lock him up after he almost shot him? why did superman have to fly through the red sun and lose his powers, was he pushing SBP and using that to stop him too?Alex's powers aren't infinite; as we learned in CoiE, his powers can be depleted through overuse.

In the Infinite Crisis Secret Files, we see that over a very long period of time, his powers can recharge, but he obviously used them up during IC#7.

Batman didn't lock him up because there wasn't time. A building fell on Alex.

Yes, the two Supermen were pushing Superboy through the red sun; if the yellow sunlight of this Earth affects Superboy, then it's more than safe to assume that the red sunlight would too. I thought that was kinda obvious, considering that Superboy repeatedly says "Where are you taking me?"

[TheCorpulent1]

What I don't get is, if the Supermen put Superboy Prime, who was obviously hopped up on much more yellow sunlight than either of them, how come he wasn't still a lot more powerful than either of them when they came out the other side? It seemed to me like he was so far beyond the Supermen that he should've been able to beat the crap out of both of them without much trouble, especially since post-CoIE Superman was hitting him with Kryptonite that, as I understood it, was ineffective against Superboy Prime but effective against himself. :confused:

[Kurosawa]

Sometimes I just feel you hate a product before it is put out simply because you do not like their situation anymore.

I feel the JSA arc has felt incredibly Bronze Age and the Detective/Batman arc by James Robinson is the best Batman has ever been written post-crisis - he actually feels like Batman not some prick. Superman is also amazing at the moment and really feels like a good spirited Silver Age tale.

There must be a cut off point where good stories are good even though you don't like the world they are in.

Some of the OYL stuff is decent. I liked a few Post-Crisis runs-especially Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle on Batman. I also thought the Death and Return of Superman was a hell of a story. Now if Kal-L had gotten a death like that, while I wouldn't have been crazy about it, I probably wouldn't be nowhere near as pissed as I am.

[yenaled]

Both the other Superman had have a lot more contact with yellow sun radiation that Superboy Prime. His contact even with his suit, his body hasn't absorbed as much as the others.

Think of it like... someone taking heroin.

The person taking heroin for 40 years had had a lot more exposure to the drug than the 15 year old kid who took overdoses for a week.

[Kurosawa]

What I don't get is, if the Supermen put Superboy Prime, who was obviously hopped up on much more yellow sunlight than either of them, how come he wasn't still a lot more powerful than either of them when they came out the other side? It seemed to me like he was so far beyond the Supermen that he should've been able to beat the crap out of both of them without much trouble, especially since post-CoIE Superman was hitting him with Kryptonite that, as I understood it, was ineffective against Superboy Prime but effective against himself. :confused:

When written correctly, neither Kal-L nor Superboy of Earth-Prime are affected by red sun radiation. But Johns didn't research the characters at all, then they used wall punches as an excuse.

Sloppy and pathetic.

[Kurosawa]

The guy who runs the Best Page in the Universe. A TRUE bastard if ever there was one, but MAN is he right all the time.

Evil RR>>>Maddox.

Even if you loved IC, it's still funny as hell.

[TheCorpulent1]

Both the other Superman had have a lot more contact with yellow sun radiation that Superboy Prime. His contact even with his suit, his body hasn't absorbed as much as the others.

Think of it like... someone taking heroin.

The person taking heroin for 40 years had had a lot more exposure to the drug than the 15 year old kid who took overdoses for a week.
But he was vastly more powerful than either of them and their powers are based on how much yellow solar energy is in their cells. Ergo, he must've had a lot more yellow solar energy than either of them. :confused:

[Kurosawa]

Wow, how's the view from up on that high horse?

Not too bad. :p.

[yenaled]

But he was vastly more powerful than either of them and their powers are based on how much yellow solar energy is in their cells. Ergo, he must've had a lot more yellow solar energy than either of them. :confused:

He was vastly more powerful than them before he had that suit on, pushing round planets and the massacre of the d-list titans.

[TheCorpulent1]

Exactly. Hence, he should logically have more yellow solar radiation in him and he should've still been much more powerful after the red sun dip, which would've had the same effect on all of them. That whole scenario just didn't add up for me. The entire GL Corps can't take this douchebag down, but two guys with the same weaknesses as SBP and much less power manage to?

[Anubis]

It wasn't the yellow sun. he had gotten a boost of anti matter energy or whatever from Alex while they were trapped in limbo. That's what originally powered him up so. Then he had the anti monitor suit which absorbed vast amounts of energy, possibly even the speed force for all we know. Once they destroyed the suit, he lost that energy, plus he lost energy from the red sun they were in. So, by the time they hit Mogo, he wasn't much stronger than he was supposed to be.

[sethcohen]

plus he still had residual powers... by the time Kals L & El landed and got up their powers were diminished... SB-P had them a few minutes longer then they did... though corp i unfortuantely have to agree with you (not that thats a bad thing) he still shoulda been as powerful as say, Conner... not as strong as Kal El but strong enough to be a problem... it woulda been awesome if he still had weak powers but Mogo wouldnt let him leave the atmoshpere so he couldnt reach a yellow sun to recharge... then the GLs came in as a clean up crew... id love to see Guy Gardner just pimpsmack him with a giant green backhand...

[BrianWilly]

My impression was that it was his armor doing all of the heavy lifting. Once it was gone, all the excess yellow sunlight goes away too. Maybe Johns will explain it further someday.

Exactly. Hence, he should logically have more yellow solar radiation in him and he should've still been much more powerful after the red sun dip, which would've had the same effect on all of them. That whole scenario just didn't add up for me. The entire GL Corps can't take this douchebag down, but two guys with the same weaknesses as SBP and much less power manage to?
Remember, even though they were out of the red sun itself they were still bathed in red sunlight on Mogo, just like Earth gets bathed by yellow sunlight; during that scene we see Rao off in the distance several times. It would be affecting Superboy right along with the Supermen, making him lose his strength and heat vision.

The fact that Superman was able to b**chslap Superboy even though he was getting affected by the Kryptonite and Superboy wasn't just shows how much more badass he is:cool:.

[TheCorpulent1]

It wasn't the yellow sun. he had gotten a boost of anti matter energy or whatever from Alex while they were trapped in limbo. That's what originally powered him up so. Then he had the anti monitor suit which absorbed vast amounts of energy, possibly even the speed force for all we know. Once they destroyed the suit, he lost that energy, plus he lost energy from the red sun they were in. So, by the time they hit Mogo, he wasn't much stronger than he was supposed to be.
All right, there we go. I forgot about the anti-matter boost. It makes sense now.

[Green Lantern]

Evil RR>>>Maddox.

Even if you loved IC, it's still funny as hell.No, not really. It was as funny as a rusty spoon.

[Kurosawa]

No, not really. It was as funny as a rusty spoon.

Yeah, right.

[Green Lantern]

But thats just my opinion, and we know how much you value the opinions of people who disagree with you :rolleyes:

[Green Lantern]

Dude, can you speak coherently? :confused:

[SpideyInATree]

Infinite Crisis was definitely a kick ass event. Phil Jimenez should be given many beautiful women for his work on the book. And seeing Golden Age Supes and Supes kick the crap out of Doomsday was freakin' worth the entire miniseries.

Fantastic work all around and bring on 52, mofos!! :up:

[Pksoze]

Infinite Crisis was definitely a kick ass event. Phil Jimenez should be given many beautiful women for his work on the book.


I think he would appreciate your sentiment but he is gay.

[Doc Destruction]

Yeah, right.

He's right. That was like the rantings of a pre-schooler.

[LadyVader]

Infinite Crisis was definitely a kick ass event. Phil Jimenez should be given many beautiful women for his work on the book. And seeing Golden Age Supes and Supes kick the crap out of Doomsday was freakin' worth the entire miniseries.

Fantastic work all around and bring on 52, mofos!! :up:

When exactly do the two Supermen kick the whatever out of Doomsday?

[ToddIsDead]

In IC7. They practically kill him. In fact, I think they did.

[Doc Destruction]

In IC7. They practically kill him. In fact, I think they did.

Yep, Earth2 supes pretty much punched his face right off.

[SpideyInATree]

I think he would appreciate your sentiment but he is gay.

Well, then just change women to men and we're all squared away.

[raybia]

Can anyone tell me the status of Jason Todd? Was he even in IC?

[SpideyInATree]

Todd wasn't involved in the actual miniseries but his reappearance back in the comics was linked to the events in Infinite Crisis.

And Jason Todd supposedly was killed again at the end of the latest Batman Annual but he's back and appearing in the pages of Nightwing's current Year One storyline, posing as Nightwing.

[Brian Braddock]

Todd wasn't involved in the actual miniseries but his reappearance back in the comics was linked to the events in Infinite Crisis.

And Jason Todd supposedly was killed again at the end of the latest Batman Annual but he's back and appearing in the pages of Nightwing's current Year One storyline, posing as Nightwing.

Urm, Would that be Batman annual #25? Because they only do a recap of Jasons death at the hands of the Joker and give explanation to how he is back. Where in the story does he die again.???????

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't think he was supposed to be dead at the end of the Annual until Nightwing mentioned it. People have recovered from neck wounds, after all. Now I'm wondering whether 52 or something else will actually deal with what should be the massive repercussions of Bruce Wayne intentionally trying to kill someone.

[Anubis]

Not in the annual, but the issue before the first OYL issue. But nobody ever said he died. Terrible cuts to the neck and big explosions doesn't automatically say, death. Not in comics anyway.

[SpideyInATree]

Urm, Would that be Batman annual #25? Because they only do a recap of Jasons death at the hands of the Joker and give explanation to how he is back. Where in the story does he die again.???????

Oh. I thought it was at the end of the Annual. Then it must have been at the end of Winick's run on Batman. I was under the impression that he was killed at the end....again.

[Anubis]

I didn't think he was supposed to be dead at the end of the Annual until Nightwing mentioned it. People have recovered from neck wounds, after all. Now I'm wondering whether 52 or something else will actually deal with what should be the massive repercussions of Bruce Wayne intentionally trying to kill someone.

He didn't try to kill him. He stopped him from killing the joker. he wasn't about to die.

[Brian Braddock]

Oh. I thought it was at the end of the Annual. Then it must have been at the end of Winick's run on Batman. I was under the impression that he was killed at the end....again.


Oh thank f*** for that! :O Phew!

I thought you'd seen something I didnt. I dont think I could handle Jason dying again. I like that he's back. The annual actually gave a reasonable explanation for his return (I liked the use of the unused Aparo page from 'A Death in the Family').

I like Jason; he works better now as a bad guy than he ever did as a good guy (but then again, I think he works better because he used to be a good guy)

[TheCorpulent1]

He didn't try to kill him. He stopped him from killing the joker. he wasn't about to die.
Well, if the implication is that he died from the wound, one would assume someone as skilled as Bruce would know what is and isn't a lethal move. Although I don't remember the explosions you mentioned. Maybe that's what Dick was referring to.

[Mister J]

I was under the impression the explosion would have been the likely cause if Jason were dead.

It was at the end of Batman 650. Jason had a gun on The Joker and had tossed another gun to Batman. Jason was intent on killing The Joker and said the only way for Batman to stop it was to kill him (Jason). Jason started to count to three and before he finished Batman tossed a Batarang into his neck (Jason manuevered it so all Bats had was a head shot). When he got free, Joker went over to some C4 Jason had rigged earlier and shot it with one of the guns laying around. Everything goes boom.

[Brian Braddock]

If Jason died in the explosion in #650, then logic would suggest that the Joker must have bought it too (as they're both as close to the C4 as each other)

But, as I dont see DC killing off the Joker, I dont see Jason going out so easily either.

[Mister J]

I think the explosion was just for dramatic effect. We've seen Jason dressed as Nightwing in New York (OYL). Joker popped up at the end of IC.

I did read something about Jason being set-up and captured (not by Grayson) in one of the recent Nightwing issues though.

edit: Wiki says Jakob (whoever the hell that is) got him.

[Kurosawa]

He's right. That was like the rantings of a pre-schooler.

I guess mindless praise is the only acceptable review for the series then.

[regwec]

Not at all. I would only request that you compose your detractions with calm and measure.

[Green Lantern]

I guess mindless praise is the only acceptable review for the series then.No, but ones written to be humorous that are as far from humorous as lung cancer don't do much for me.

[Ben Urich]

The Joker's return was the icing on Joe Quesada's unflinching face.
Made everything Marvel's done in the past 5+ years look silly.

[Pksoze]

I guess mindless praise is the only acceptable review for the series then.

I found the pictures to be funny... as for the actual review the guy came across as an idiot... and if there is mindless praising on the internet there is also mindless bashing.

[Pksoze]

In IC7. They practically kill him. In fact, I think they did.


I doubt Doomsday is dead... if he was going to be killed I'd rather a villain did it than a hero.

Because if Supes faces Doomsday again it will be the Doofus they took out in a two page spread.

If say Superboy Prime killed Doomsday, it would have been geeze did you see what that psycho did to Doomsday.

Oh well....

[ToddIsDead]

I doubt Doomsday is dead... if he was going to be killed I'd rather a villain did it than a hero.

Because if Supes faces Doomsday again it will be the Doofus they took out in a two page spread.

If say Superboy Prime killed Doomsday, it would have been geeze did you see what that psycho did to Doomsday.

Oh well....
That would have been cool. Just to show yet again how powerful Prime was.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think everyone got the idea about how powerful Superboy Prime was. Killing a bunch of GLs--even the rookies that the majority of the Corps comprises presently--is no small feat. I'd say SBP was almost as powerful as Darkseid in his heyday.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Im asking those with a scanner for something.Its rather important,in Wizard comics magazine issue No.174 i belive it was the April 2006 issue.. on page 15,in the upper right hand corner there is a small headshot of the Pre-Crisis Superman.

Can someone scan that shot into a JPEG?I could really use it,also.Does anyone know where that headshot is from?

[TheCorpulent1]

I have a scanner but I quit wasting money on Wizard years ago.

[Kurosawa]

I found the pictures to be funny... as for the actual review the guy came across as an idiot... and if there is mindless praising on the internet there is also mindless bashing.

Too bad his bashing wasn't mindless. He actually had several very valid points amongst all the silly stuff. His best point is how crossovers are often just ads for new series and/or the next crossover. And he was dead-on about OYL being a rip-off of Secret Wars.

I know it ticks people off to see something they like torn apart. I've been there myself. So I guess it isn't funny even if you like IC. Well, I was amused but I'm also biased against IC.

[Harlekin]

I thought it was pretty funny, but I wouldn't really call OYL a rip-off from Secret Wars, or at least, figure they did so intentionally.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Wait a minute so there is no damn speed force anymore? Only Bart returned but he used up all his speed that was stored? So Jay is now the fastest man alive? But how if there is no more speed force?

[Assassin]

he didnt get his power from the speed force.










wait....conner is dead?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

he didnt get his power from the speed force.










wait....conner is dead?

Ah.

Yes, he died in issue 6 I think.

[Mister J]

Yeah, Jay is a metahuman and Connor bit it in IC #6.

[Assassin]

u guys are retarded

[Shadowknight]

he didnt get his power from the speed force.
I THINK in GJ's run on JSA, he had him tapping into the SF on several occasions (I haven't read it in a couple of years, so my memory's hazy). Didn't he absorb Rival?

[TheCorpulent1]

Jay used to get his powers from the Speed Force, just like most other speedsters. But since the Speed Force was destroyed in Infinite Crisis, Jay's found that he has a metagene that gives him super-speed too. It's nowhere near as much as the Speed Force used to--his top speed is about the speed of sound now--but it's better than most other speedsters ended up with.

[Prognosticator]

Well I finally finished issue seven of Infinite Crisis yesterday. Perhaps it was a coincidence that I finish on the 4th of July, perhaps it was destiny, I may never know. But I do know one thing for sure, Infinite Crisis was probably the most kick-ass event EVER!!!

I totally went all out for this MF'er, and I don't believe there was a single penny wasted!!! I mean, from the Countdown one-shot to the 4 lead-in minis, to their tie-ins, to Infinite Crisis and all of its tie-ins, and the one shots...I was not disappointed one damn bit!

In fact, I was OVERWHELMED as I finally finished issue #7 yesterday! Terrific job, DC! It's impossible to achieve perfection in this medium, but this EVENT was about as close to that as it gets!

[Agentdemon]

u guys are retarded

:confused:

[trustyside-kick]

I am extremely late cause I never looked for this thread...but out of all those pages from the Infinite Crisis...these two are without a doubt my most favorite pages:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/dhunter22/30-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/dhunter22/31.jpg

:)

[Prognosticator]

Yeah, what an ubelievable twist/wildcard by Luthor at the end. Yowza!!!

[nightstreak]

I was just re-reading IC#7 and about 2/5ths into it, theres a page where it show 2 pages straight across of villain going chaotic, but Aquaman is in the middle of them, is he like just in the middle of it all, was he the first to show up, or is he some kind of evil/anti aquaman???

[The Leaguer]

omfg joker kills alex!?!?!? spoiler warning!!!!!1

[trustyside-kick]

omfg joker kills alex!?!?!? spoiler warning!!!!!1

Ahem...*looks at title of thread*. :eek:

-gasp-

:)

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't be a douche. It really was a spoiler, damn it. I was planning to read IC no more than 3 and no fewer than 5 years from now, and now it's all ruined because I know the ending. :mad:

[The Leaguer]

I'm reporting this to a mod. He's gonna delete this thread and ban the perpetrator.

[nightstreak]

Some on can jump in at any time and answer my question, thanks!

[trustyside-kick]

Don't be a douche. It really was a spoiler, damn it. I was planning to read IC no more than 3 and no fewer than 5 years from now, and now it's all ruined because I know the ending. :mad:

Don't be a douche? Hello, the title of the thread says (SPOILERS) in it...course unless you are just joking around...

Also, that is not the end of IC.

[The Leaguer]

Sir, I take my comic books very seriously. I never joke. My outrage is immeasurable.

[trustyside-kick]

Sir, I take my comic books very seriously. I never joke. My outrage is immeasurable.

I was talking about TheCorpulent1...course I was wondering if you were too...

Either way...you enter a thread that says spoilers in big huge letters and you expect to...dare I say it...not have crap spoiled?

-gasp-

[The Leaguer]

I demand to have my crap un-spoiled!

[nightstreak]

Can someone PLEASE answer my question? Thanks.

[trustyside-kick]

I was just re-reading IC#7 and about 2/5ths into it, theres a page where it show 2 pages straight across of villain going chaotic, but Aquaman is in the middle of them, is he like just in the middle of it all, was he the first to show up, or is he some kind of evil/anti aquaman???

There are actually villains and heroes in that page. Aquaman is not some villain or anything....just you can see his battle scars and he looks pissed.

[nightstreak]

Thanks dude, hey anyone here goin to the Chicago Comic con

[trustyside-kick]

Thanks dude, hey anyone here goin to the Chicago Comic con

It would be nice, but I am not going to fly all the way to Chicago just for that; also, never been to a convention before for anything. I can watch on the G4 channel though on July 21st. :)