The Infinite Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[The Batman]

Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman married Lois and appeared to have lost his powers in 'Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?', however he recently showed up in a few issues of Superman/Batman.

Nope...supergirl's right...

All the Earth 1 characters got reincarnated into the post crisis versions....

for example....during the crisis, i believe earth 1 wonder woman got turned back into clay, and then got reborn as the post crisis version.

Post-Crisis Batman pretty much has the same history as his earth 1 version

[Kitsune]

Question: What stinks while living but in death smells good?

Answer: PIGS!
They don't stink nearly as bad as that "riddle"


Anyone seen this site?http://www.seanbaby.com/superfriends/riddler.htm

PS: This isn't a slam on TheRiddlerkid, the post just reminded me of this site which I always thought was hillarious.

[The Batman]

I also like how this issue confronted my problems with the trinity

Superman, once the hero everyone looked up to, has become a giant wuss. No doubt to make him more "Human" and "Relatable". superman had alot more balls pre-crisis. He was someone who could lead the justice league into battle. Like Batman said, Superman isnt human.

Batman, who used to be a dark avenger, has become paranoid and controlling, treating his allies like garbage, and almost seems like he's intent on destroying superheroes. He used to be a better character, and actually acted like, well...a hero.

Wonder Woman, who always strived for peace, is now shifitng to warrior mode. She's forgetting about the people she's supposed to protect.

Hopefully, this can be fixed after infinite crisis.

[Assassin]

was house of m this good?

[The Batman]

I doubt it

[sikkbones]

i love how some moron posts the exact same thing i edited to put a spoiler tag on.

thanks to whoever posted the last page of IC# 1, or IC#2

i hope it's not a harbringer of pee-gees death.. we've already lost one massive mammaries heroine in phantom lady....


and re:
You can bet this is misdirection,...why would they be so blatant and obvious in the first issue?

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/9615/spectrebatman1gd.jpg
it's a red herring... the spectre already has a human host trying to teach bats a lesson.... your current and soon to be revealed as future spectre... jason todd...

[Webhead88]

Is anyone else sad that Dr.Polaris is dead? :(

[Banshee]

Who was the red head in gold at the end on the splash page... Ive seen him before, but i cant place him.

[KAD]

Who was the red head in gold at the end on the splash page... Ive seen him before, but i cant place him.

Alex Luthor


More than likely the villain in all of this

[yenaled]

I thought watching the Freedom Fighters go at it was awesome, I really, really hope Uncle Sam isn't dead. It was great seeing him trying to fight about 7 villains. I know Ray isn't dead (and I know Geoff Johns loves him, so we'll see where that is going. At leats maybe the hope of American nation after all this will bring him back. But I seriously loved Human Bomb just tearing off his suit. RIP :( I also hope Damage is not dead.

I know Grant Morrison has plans for this team so they couldn't be in better hands.

The ending was amazing, I can't believe Earth-2 Superman is back.

The **** really has hit the fan.

[Kitsune]

Alex Luthor


More than likely the villain in all of this

Probably not, he's Alexander Luthor from Earth 3. He was a good guy. The red headed Luthor of Earth-2 was killed by the Luthor of Earth-1 in Crissis if I recall correctly.

[sikkbones]

I thought watching the Freedom Fighters go at it was awesome, I really, really hope Uncle Sam isn't dead. It was great seeing him trying to fight about 7 villains. I know Ray isn't dead (and I know Geoff Johns loves him, so we'll see where that is going. At leats maybe the hope of American nation after all this will bring him back. But I seriously loved Human Bomb just tearing off his suit. RIP :( I also hope Damage is not dead.

I know Grant Morrison has plans for this team so they couldn't be in better hands.

The ending was amazing, I can't believe Earth-2 Superman is back.

The **** really has hit the fan.

can the spirit of america really die? then agian wasn't he shown as disillusioned recently?

[Kitsune]

Is anyone else sad that Dr.Polaris is dead? :(
Nope

[Scorpion]

who said this is blatant and obvious.

Oh,...I don't know,...hmmmm,...The Spector with a Bat Symbol in the center of his chest. Hmmm, I wonder if that means the next Spector will be Bruce Wayne?

I wouldn't count on it. They're not gonna be so blatantly obvious in issue #1. I'm sure that's there for all those who started or believe the rumors that Bruce will be the next Spector. And you can bet all of those people are saying right now,..."See, see I knew Bruce Wayne was gonna be the next Spector." Don't count on it kids.

[yenaled]

can the spirit of america really die? then agian wasn't he shown as disillusioned recently?

that's what i'm thinking. i think maybe his physical body can die but the spirit can live on.

I think due to all the trouble America's spirit really isn't much at the moment, Uncle Sam before has definatly been shown as disillusioned and weakened by lack of faith in the country before.

we'll just have to see where it all takes us. I'm sure Grant Morrison has plenty of ideas about a spirit who is fuled by the patriotism of a nation - hell he would have invented that if someone else already didn't.


I just realsied, Riddler is back to normal! That metrosexual change retconned out of existance.

[sikkbones]

Oh,...I don't know,...hmmmm,...The Spector with a Bat Symbol in the center of his chest. Hmmm, I wonder if that means the next Spector will be Bruce Wayne?

I wouldn't count on it. They're not gonna be so blatantly obvious in issue #1. I'm sure that's there for all those who started or believe the rumors that Bruce will be the next Spector. And you can bet all of those people are saying right now,..."See, see I knew Bruce Wayne was gonna be the next Spector." Don't count on it kids.


bat brat: jason todd or nightwing

that's your next/current spectre folks.

[twylight]

I finally read my issue of IC.

And I have to admit that while it was awesome. I'm not really impressed.

All it is, is a sequel to the first Crisis and a weak sequel at that.

I know it's just the first issue, but I really see no need to 'cleanse' DC comics like this. :confused: Why kill the Freedom Fighters?

Also it totally destroys the *semi* happy ending at the end of COIE! :(

*Just my DC newbie point of view. I'll wait for Cori to bash me.*


yeah so is this picture here suppose to be suggestive of something
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/9615/spectrebatman1gd.jpg

It's symbolic read the writting in the page.

"A Legend has fallen at the hands of another."

It's like an overshadowing thing.

[Lackey]

It was awesome, but you weren't impressed and it's a weak sequel?

how can it be awesome and unimpressive and weak at the same time? :confused:

[sikkbones]

I finally read my issue of IC.

And I have to admit that while it was awesome. I'm not really impressed.

All it is, is a sequel to the first Crisis and a weak sequel at that.

I know it's just the first issue, but I really see no need to 'cleanse' DC comics like this. :confused: Why kill the Freedom Fighters?

Also it totally destroys the *semi* happy ending at the end of COIE! :(

*Just my DC newbie point of view. I'll wait for Cori to bash me.*




It's symbolic read the writting in the page.

"A Legend has fallen at the hands of another."

It's like an overshadowing thing.

dick grayson or jason todd for the win alex.

[Lackey]

great article in the NY Times :up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/12/books/12dc.html

[Kitsune]

Crissis tends to strengthen Patriotism.... rember how the country came together after 9/11. Then again the recent hurricanes people seemed more inrested in blaming people for an inadiquate response than on helping the survivers.

Still, I think the current crisis in the DCU will pull the people together enough to bring Sam back.

[yenaled]

How can it be a weak sequal after one issue?

[twylight]

It was awesome, but you weren't impressed and it's a weak sequel?

how can it be awesome and unimpressive and weak at the same time? :confused:


I really enjoyed it until the end. The art was great, I loved the tension between Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman and the writting was fantastic.

However when they unveiled them as Earth 2 peeps.*though I had a suspicion through the whole issue*
I wasn't impressed with that, it just feels weak.
The killing of the Freedome Fighters and what the Guardians said makes it to close to the actual events of the COIE.
I'm not a fan of sequels and this is basically what IC is.

I was kind of hoping for something new and fresh.
Though I throughly enjoyed the ministries that lead up to it. Villians United, Day of Vengence, The O.M.A.C. Project. etc. I just hope that those angles come into play later on, prefeably soon, and bring a little bit of 'newness' to the story. Because so far..all I'm getting is that IC is COIE revised and reloaded.

[twylight]

How can it be a weak sequal after one issue?

I admitted that this was only the first issue, and I'm not going to throw the whole thing down just because of one issue. However I was a little dissapointed they brought in Earth 2ers, and they had the Guardians mention rift's in space *whoa, holy flashback Batman* ;) *sorry feeling perky today*

I just hope that the ministry events kick in soon. Because after just one issue I'm seeing similarities that I don't want to be seeing. :(
(still aching over the Freedom Fighters)

[Supergirl]

I finally read my issue of IC.

And I have to admit that while it was awesome. I'm not really impressed.

All it is, is a sequel to the first Crisis and a weak sequel at that.

I know it's just the first issue, but I really see no need to 'cleanse' DC comics like this. :confused: Why kill the Freedom Fighters?

Also it totally destroys the *semi* happy ending at the end of COIE! :(

*Just my DC newbie point of view. I'll wait for Cori to bash me.*




It's symbolic read the writting in the page.

"A Legend has fallen at the hands of another."

It's like an overshadowing thing.Now Twy I'm not going to bash you:( why would you even think that? :confused:

The reason they killed the Freedom Fighters is mainly to show how much trouble the world is in with the Society. Just a handfull of the dozens of villains in the Society wiped the floor with some pretty powerful heroes. While the main source the world looks at for hope, unity and teamwork has fallen apart with the dissolution of the JLA, the villains are stronger than ever, and more unified at this point than the heroes could hope to be.

I also don't see the ending destroying a happy ending. I'd think the four survivors of the Crisis that we see in the end are anything but happy with the state of the world they left to their counterparts. E2's Superman is too much of a hero to sit back and watch as the world they fought so hard to save falls into chaos and destruction around them.

Also, the legend falling at the hands of another was a reference to Spectre killing Shazam ;)

[Lackey]

dang double post

[Lackey]

I really enjoyed it until the end. The art was great, I loved the tension between Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman and the writting was fantastic.

However when they unveiled them as Earth 2 peeps.*though I had a suspicion through the whole issue*
I wasn't impressed with that, it just feels weak.
The killing of the Freedome Fighters and what the Guardians said makes it to close to the actual events of the COIE.
I'm not a fan of sequels and this is basically what IC is.

I was kind of hoping for something new and fresh.
Though I throughly enjoyed the ministries that lead up to it. Villians United, Day of Vengence, The O.M.A.C. Project. etc. I just hope that those angles come into play later on, prefeably soon, and bring a little bit of 'newness' to the story. Because so far..all I'm getting is that IC is COIE revised and reloaded.

well, hopefully you'll keep reading and realize that you're wrong :) ;)

[sikkbones]

DIE KAL-L DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


this is not meant in disrespect.

think i picked up the wedding of superman and lois back in the 70's in a quarter bin...
it's been done.....
everything old is new agian every 20 years or so.
see old man Kal-L..... it's been done already... why bring the old fart back agian and and agian...
let the golden age rest in peace folks.. not peices.

[The Batman]

so the 4 characters who survived the orignal crisis show up, and suddenly IC is COIE revised?

*sigh*

[The Batman]

and did you even read the first issue? They DID focus on the angles from the mini's

[twylight]

I also don't see the ending destroying a happy ending. I'd think the four survivors of the Crisis that we see in the end are anything but happy with the state of the world they left to their counterparts. E2's Superman is too much of a hero to sit back and watch as the world they fought so hard to save falls into chaos and destruction around them.

Also, the legend falling at the hands of another was a reference to Spectre killing Shazam ;)

They were supposed to walk off into the big bright life..live happily ever after..and most likely be DEAD by now. :( Not cocooned up in a glass room where they can see the world fall apart. *tear* that is NOT a happy ending all my elusions are Gone..GONE!

*just like the glass wall Supes broke* *sniff*


well, hopefully you'll keep reading and realize that you're wrong :) ;)

I said I would :p
I just mentioned I hoped that it would be a little deeper than just a time tear in space....
And that all the things that built up to it would be used in new and original ways.

so the 4 characters who survived the orignal crisis show up, and suddenly IC is COIE revised?

*sigh*

Frustrated much?

Did my singuler lil' ol' viewpoints hurt you much? :) ;)

Actually, I mentioned the Guardians as well...very close to home there.

And if anyone things I'm dissin' IC I'm NOT...I'm just hoping the feel I'm getting from it, so far, doesn't continues through the whole event.

[yenaled]

I'm still aching over the Freedom Fighters, but it's good. It has an effect on me.

good artcile for people who might be confused about multiple earths and what not (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46268)

I echo what the guy says at the end of the article too.

[Assassin]

Now Twy I'm not going to bash you:( why would you even think that? :confused:

Gee, why on earth would she think that?? :confused:

You, bash a "friend", never :rolleyes:

[Supergirl]

Assassin, there's a difference between bashing and disagreeing :confused: I disagree with you about alot of topics, and I vocally state my opinions aobut them but that's not bashing you :confused: Bashing is more like: "You're ugly and you mom dresses you funny." Not "I disagree, and here's why."

[Assassin]

if thats what helps u go to sleep at night, stick with it.

[Kitsune]

Can't we all just get along?

[Assassin]

no damn it, were going through a crisis! :rolleyes:

[Kitsune]

I think I found the reason for the Batman/Superman dispute.
http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/614_4_182.jpg

[Emerald Knight]

:mad: I knew those red X's were for a more sinister reason...;)

[sikkbones]

I think I found the reason for the Batman/Superman dispute.
http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/614_4_182.jpg
they retconned him into being teen bat?

[gspot]

Nope...supergirl's right...

All the Earth 1 characters got reincarnated into the post crisis versions....

for example....during the crisis, i believe earth 1 wonder woman got turned back into clay, and then got reborn as the post crisis version.

Post-Crisis Batman pretty much has the same history as his earth 1 version

Hate to disagree man - but no - All Earth 1 characters did not become reincarnated into their post crisis versions.

The Barry Allen Flash (earth1) and Supergirl of Earth-1 died in the crisis.
Batman of Earth 1 retired and then ...he died.
Wonder Woman of Earth 1 died in the Crisis - at the hands of the antimonitor.
The Earth 1 Superman was closed off by Moore's story and the crisis.

The wave at the end of the crisis wiped it all out - it was a restart more than it was reincarnation. the Modern age trinity is a different set of heroes. Superman isn't the Earth 1 Superman or the Earth2, but a third. Same with Wonder Woman. and Batman isn't the Earth one version of Batman - though they share similair histories.

Check out Newsarama for a through breakdown on it all. it's a pretty good analysis of the histories.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46268

[Lackey]

That is an excellent read, everyone needs to click on that link ^ and read that.

[The Batman]

Hate to disagree man - but no - All Earth 1 characters did not become reincarnated into their post crisis versions.

The Barry Allen Flash (earth1) and Supergirl of Earth-1 died in the crisis.
Batman of Earth 1 retired and then ...he died.
Wonder Woman of Earth 1 died in the Crisis - at the hands of the antimonitor.
The Earth 1 Superman was closed off by Moore's story and the crisis.

The wave at the end of the crisis wiped it all out - it was a restart more than it was reincarnation. the Modern age trinity is a different set of heroes. Superman isn't the Earth 1 Superman or the Earth2, but a third. Same with Wonder Woman. and Batman isn't the Earth one version of Batman - though they share similair histories.

Check out Newsarama for a through breakdown on it all. it's a pretty good analysis of the histories.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46268


oh...I see....

[twylight]

Gee, why on earth would she think that?? :confused:

You, bash a "friend", never :rolleyes:


:confused:

Cori is a very good friend of mine..I was just giving her a hard time.

"You're ugly and you mom dresses you funny."
I dress myself thank you very much :p ;)


good artcile for people who might be confused about multiple earths and what not (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46268)

I echo what the guy says at the end of the article too.

Link has been posted twice on the same page..must be good. :p ;)

[Banshee]

Alex Luthor


More than likely the villain in all of this


thanks

[Doc Destruction]

Okay, not sure anyone mentioned this, but...

Did anyone notice the splash page with the Spectre, and the Bat signal is glowing on his chest is EXACTLY where it is on Batman's chest?

Is Bruce the next Spectre? Hmmmm...

[Phoney Bone]

Wow....That's not been discussed at all.:D

[Lackey]

about Alex Luthor... it's quite a leap to say he's the villain. He saved the world the last time around, he's a hero. It's almost like Superman himself turning out to be a villain... it's very unlikely.

[sikkbones]

Hate to disagree man - but no - All Earth 1 characters did not become reincarnated into their post crisis versions.

The Barry Allen Flash (earth1) and Supergirl of Earth-1 died in the crisis.
Batman of Earth 1 retired and then ...he died.
Wonder Woman of Earth 1 died in the Crisis - at the hands of the antimonitor.
The Earth 1 Superman was closed off by Moore's story and the crisis.

The wave at the end of the crisis wiped it all out - it was a restart more than it was reincarnation. the Modern age trinity is a different set of heroes. Superman isn't the Earth 1 Superman or the Earth2, but a third. Same with Wonder Woman. and Batman isn't the Earth one version of Batman - though they share similair histories.

Check out Newsarama for a through breakdown on it all. it's a pretty good analysis of the histories.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46268

earth- 2 bats was the one pushing up daisys bub.

[Lackey]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/CapedMan/Kingdom02.jpg

:D

[The Batman]

Yeah, he died in "All Star Squardron"? right? I was wondering when Earth 1 Batman found the time to quit and die...

And wasnt Wonder Woman turned back into clay, to be reborn at a specific time? I thought that meant she was reborn as the post-crisis version.

[Lackey]

Earth 1 Wonder Woman died

Earth 2 Wonder Woman went to Olympus with Steve Trevor

[Anubis]

And then what? Is the current Wonder Woman the Earth 2 wonder woman?

[The Batman]

No. Earth 2 Wondy is still at olympus...

which means she just might make an appearance....

[Anubis]

So....does she remember the Crisis?

[Lackey]

Okay, not sure anyone mentioned this, but...

Did anyone notice the splash page with the Spectre, and the Bat signal is glowing on his chest is EXACTLY where it is on Batman's chest?

Is Bruce the next Spectre? Hmmmm...


pick up the next two issues of Gotham Central :)



http://dccomics.com/media/covers/4558_400x600.jpg

#38
Written by Greg Rucka; Art by Kano and Stefano Gaudiano; Cover by Sean Phillips

The story everyone's clamored for begins! Corrupt cop Jim Corrigan has crossed the line for the final time, and Allen and Montoya are going to bring him down. But is there any connection between Corrigan and the man who shared his name; the man once known as… the Spectre?

[The Batman]

Earth 2 Wonder Woman?

Yeah...I guess....

[sikkbones]

Yeah, he died in "All Star Squardron"? right? I was wondering when Earth 1 Batman found the time to quit and die...

And wasnt Wonder Woman turned back into clay, to be reborn at a specific time? I thought that meant she was reborn as the post-crisis version.

a little before that bub... i think he died so that helena wayne huntress could be created.

[The Batman]

a little before that bub... i think he died so that helena wayne huntress could be created.


Huh?

Helena Wayne became Huntress because her mom, Earth 2 Catwoman, was killed.

[Anubis]

They sure left a lot of s**t unanswered. You would think they woulda said something about the fact that theres two Wonder Woman's running around. I mean, wasn't Diana the Goddess of truth for awhile or something? Hanging out in Olympus, she should have run into herself at some point.

[Scorpion]

I think those of us who remember reading Crisis on Infinite Earths when it came out, or read it once they got into comics, stood up and cheered. Those who weren't around back then or didn't start reading comics until the mid to late 90s, and never bothered with Crisis on Infinite Earths, are all,..."This sucks."

They're not gonna get it or appreciate it. Too bad for them.

[The Batman]

a little before that bub... i think he died so that helena wayne huntress could be created.


He was killed by an ex-convict named Bill Jensen in Adventure Comics.

[Lackey]

According to Geoff Johns... they'll get it next month.

[sikkbones]

pick up the next two issues of Gotham Central :)



http://dccomics.com/media/covers/4558_400x600.jpg

#38
Written by Greg Rucka; Art by Kano and Stefano Gaudiano; Cover by Sean Phillips

The story everyone's clamored for begins! Corrupt cop Jim Corrigan has crossed the line for the final time, and Allen and Montoya are going to bring him down. But is there any connection between Corrigan and the man who shared his name; the man once known as… the Spectre?


big red herring.

[Lackey]

big red herring.


yeah, a secondary character in a low-circulated title is a big red herring while a huge panel in the first issue of DC's big event isn't a big red herring.


anyway, Rucka has already confirmed there's a connection... he just won't say whether or not he'll be the next Spectre.



but if you read the last issue of Plastic Man, you would know who the next Spectre is. :)

[The Batman]

Superboy Prime is NOT the Earth 1 version after all....

one of the multiple earths was Earth prime, which was an earth with no superheroes, it was "The Real World". But, Dc decided that on this earth, shortly before crisis, that it would have its own superboy.

[Lackey]

If only people would actually read this thread all the way through ;)


http://superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6944086&postcount=146

[cyrus02pso]

how could you tell which superman it was... at first i thought it was KC sups in the present day costume

[Supergirl]

Because we've read Crisis on Infinite Earths, thus know what happened to the Earth 2 Superman. And it's not the present day costume, look at the logo ;)

[Scorpion]

Not to mention we recognize Alex Luthor, Old Lois, and Superboy from the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[drastic_quench]

Well that was a great read. Lois, although important to Earth 2 Supes, certainly seems like the odd one out of that bunch, no?

I hope, for Superman, this ends with some sort of meshing of the old and new. Or at the very least, something that boosts his powers back to the Pre-Crisis Days. Personality-wise it seems like everyone can learn a bit from the Pre-Crisis survivors.

I'd vote that the Bat-signal/Spectre page was a red herring. Funny, I'm ready and waiting for all these changes to happen to Superman, but when it's all said and done, I still want Bruce to be Batman - with minimal personality tweaks.

[SpideyInATree]

Wow. What an issue. A lot of stuff happening in that issue but I feel it was put together very well. The massacre that took place with Freedom Force and those villains was absolutely insane! :eek: I was cringing on some parts because it got pretty intense.

And I never read Crisis on Infinite Earths, so I guess by not doing that the ending of this issue sort of flew over my head. I got the jist of it but it didn't really strike a chord within me.

And that big shot of the Spectre in the skyline with the bat-signal shining on it sort of made it look like Batman was the Spectre. :o

But such a cool issue and I'm looking forward to the next one. :up:

[Supergirl]

You seriously need to read COIE :up: If need be, IM me over AIM and I can get you hooked up.

[SpideyInATree]

It's cool. I've already purchased it on Midtown comics. Along with Identity Crisis and a couple Batman trades. :up:

[Supergirl]

Alright :up: It's well worth whatever you spent on it. It's my all time favorite series :D

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, I've heard nothing but awesome things about it ever since I was a kid. I've been trying my best to purchase the damn book now for about...oh....I'd say 13 years now. :o

[Lackey]

Wow. What an issue. A lot of stuff happening in that issue but I feel it was put together very well. The massacre that took place with Freedom Force and those villains was absolutely insane! :eek: I was cringing on some parts because it got pretty intense.

And I never read Crisis on Infinite Earths, so I guess by not doing that the ending of this issue sort of flew over my head. I got the jist of it but it didn't really strike a chord within me.

And that big shot of the Spectre in the skyline with the bat-signal shining on it sort of made it look like Batman was the Spectre. :o

But such a cool issue and I'm looking forward to the next one. :up:


Read this: http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46268

it'll help a lot.

...and since I'm posting that link again, might as well say this again- Geoff Johns says he will catch everyone up next issue. :cool:

[Oldguy]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv2.jpg
Wow...just wow. Been waiting 19 years for this loose end to wrap up. :D

[LadyVader]

^ Is that a Turner cover? :D

Read it yesterday. By far my favourite part was the Wonder Woman - Superman - Batman exchange. There are loads of tension there... and it always amazes me how Batman can talk down two people like Wondie and Supes.

[yenaled]

Why the hell does Jim Lee draw an eighty year old Lois Lane all sexy with leg showing?
Is nothing sacred!

[DarkKnightJRK]

Why the hell does Jim Lee draw an eighty year old Lois Lane all sexy with leg showing?
Is nothing sacred!

Seriously, eighty? I thought she would be late 40's-early 50's at least. :o

[DarkKnightJRK]

You seriously need to read COIE :up: If need be, IM me over AIM and I can get you hooked up.

I wouldn't mind doing that. :o

[The Sage]

Seriously, eighty? I thought she would be late 40's-early 50's at least. :o

Me too. And we know in this day and age women of that age range still look fine. :up:

[Supergirl]

^ Is that a Turner cover? :D

Read it yesterday. By far my favourite part was the Wonder Woman - Superman - Batman exchange. There are loads of tension there... and it always amazes me how Batman can talk down two people like Wondie and Supes.
Nah, the women don't have mile long abdomens :p It's the Jim Lee cover, can't wait to see the George Perez cover. :D

My favorite part was the part with Conner.

[That-Guy]

I think a lot of people who are saying that Batman will be the Spectre because of that picture are victims for DC's clever use of misdirection. Did any of you notice that RIGHT BEFORE THAT HAPPENED, Detectives Allen and Montoya were talking about Jim Corrigan? THAT was the real clue... not the Bat signal image. And as some posters have stated before, that upcoming issue of Gotham Central should confirm this.

More than likely, what I see happening, is the Spectre is going to wreak havoc in Gotham right about the time Corrigan will die somehow... then Spectre will recognize him as his old alter ego, reincarnated, and bond with him to redeem him and become a good guy again.

[yenaled]

Seriously, eighty? I thought she would be late 40's-early 50's at least. :o

If you say she was about 20 in 1938 (in reality she was obviously older) so by the crisis in 1985 she was about 70 years old.

I suppose she hasn't aged in Alex Luthors' "heaven".

So yeah she is at least 70 years old.

[Kitsune]

The way comic characters age, she's probably in her late 50s early 60s

[Banj0duck]

this is the first time ive seen the cover for # 2, so are they saying that power girl is actually the original super girl? ive heard lots of rumors about this, but i dont know all that much about pre crisis-post crisis multi earth characters (especially the about 20 different super girls that have been). anybody know?

[Ultimate_Superman]

for people wondering about earth-2 Batman

http://my.execpc.com/~icicle/BATMAN.html (http://my.execpc.com/%7Eicicle/BATMAN.html)


Earth-2 Superman
http://my.execpc.com/~icicle/SUPERMAN.html

Power Girl
http://my.execpc.com/~icicle/POWERGIRL.html

[Lackey]

this is the first time ive seen the cover for # 2, so are they saying that power girl is actually the original super girl? ive heard lots of rumors about this, but i dont know all that much about pre crisis-post crisis multi earth characters (especially the about 20 different super girls that have been). anybody know?


we don't know what they're saying yet...

Earth-2 "supergirl" aka the original Superman's cousin...was named Power Girl.


I think post-crisis Powergirl is the original Power Girl.

[cyrus02pso]

i have thought power girl was the pre crisis supergirl for a long time and even more so after reading the first 2 supergirls

i do have a question though which superboy is that and who is alex lutor? (i never read coie so spare me the # universe just kinda hook me up with a small back story)

[Anubis]

The Superboy at the end of IC one was Superboy from Earth Prime. He was the only superhero on his earth and at the end of the Crisis, he went on to "Paradise" along with Earth 2 Superman and his Lois and of course, Alex Luthor.

Alex Luthor is the son of Lex and Lois Luthor of the Pre-Crisis Crime Syndicate Earth. In this world Lex was the only good guy. Anyway, in order to escape the end of that earth, Lex put his son in a transdimensional rocket and get him to the main earth before his universe went up. Yeah, all Superman like. When he got here he had the ability to control both Matter and Anti Matter or something like that. At any rate, he was the guy that was transporting the heros between the Matter and Anti Matter univereses in order to defeat the Anti Monitor. In the end, after the Monitor was defeated, and Earth 2 Supes and Earth Prime SUperboy stayed behind to hold the Anti Monitor off so everybody else could escape, he took them inside himself along with Earth 2's Lois who he had nabbed earlier before she and her universe went bye bye, and they lived happily ever after, or so we thought until now.

[sikkbones]

The Superboy at the end of IC one was Superboy from Earth Prime. He was the only superhero on his earth and at the end of the Crisis, he went on to "Paradise" along with Earth 2 Superman and his Lois and of course, Alex Luthor.

Alex Luthor is the son of Lex and Lois Luthor of the Pre-Crisis Crime Syndicate Earth. In this world Lex was the only good guy. Anyway, in order to escape the end of that earth, Lex put his son in a transdimensional rocket and get him to the main earth before his universe went up. Yeah, all Superman like. When he got here he had the ability to control both Matter and Anti Matter or something like that. At any rate, he was the guy that was transporting the heros between the Matter and Anti Matter univereses in order to defeat the Anti Monitor. In the end, after the Monitor was defeated, and Earth 2 Supes and Earth Prime SUperboy stayed behind to hold the Anti Monitor off so everybody else could escape, he took them inside himself along with Earth 2's Lois who he had nabbed earlier before she and her universe went bye bye, and they lived happily ever after, or so we thought until now.


happiply ever after in a box according to the kingdom... i wonder if it's just Kal-L that felt imprisoned or all of them?

[Kitsune]

i have thought power girl was the pre crisis supergirl for a long time and even more so after reading the first 2 supergirls

i do have a question though which superboy is that and who is alex lutor? (i never read coie so spare me the # universe just kinda hook me up with a small back story)
Alex Luthor was the son of Earth-3's Lex Luthor and Lois Lane. He was sent out of the Earth-3 universe in a rocket ship and is the sole survivor of his universe.

The Earth-Prime superboy I'm a little week on, I think he's a Superboy from a universe where he was the only hero.

----Opps someone beat me to it,

[The Batman]

for people wondering about earth-2 Batman

http://my.execpc.com/~icicle/BATMAN.html (http://my.execpc.com/%7Eicicle/BATMAN.html)


Earth-2 Superman
http://my.execpc.com/~icicle/SUPERMAN.html

Power Girl
http://my.execpc.com/~icicle/POWERGIRL.html


IMO, the way they killed off earth two batman was lame

[Kitsune]

IMO, the way they killed off earth two batman was lame
Not compared to what they did to to Power Girl's origin. Lets hope JSA Clasified #4 fixes it.

[The Black Mask]

Not compared to what they did to to Power Girl's origin. Lets hope JSA #4 fixes it.

JSA #4... hopefully not delayed.

[Lackey]

some annotations on #1

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46414

[The Black Mask]

i am thinking that power girl is supergirl... i am not sure though.

[ShadowBoxing]

I think a lot of people who are saying that Batman will be the Spectre because of that picture are victims for DC's clever use of misdirection. Did any of you notice that RIGHT BEFORE THAT HAPPENED, Detectives Allen and Montoya were talking about Jim Corrigan? THAT was the real clue... not the Bat signal image. And as some posters have stated before, that upcoming issue of Gotham Central should confirm this.

More than likely, what I see happening, is the Spectre is going to wreak havoc in Gotham right about the time Corrigan will die somehow... then Spectre will recognize him as his old alter ego, reincarnated, and bond with him to redeem him and become a good guy again.I disagree. If they did as you are suggesting then Infinite Crisis will not do that much to the DCU. Batman is going to die, we know he is gone for a year...its Batman, get over it. Its not my favorite move either, but its going to go down:(

[The Batman]

I hate when people state stupid ass rumors as being fact.

[sikkbones]

i am thinking that power girl is supergirl... i am not sure though.


supergirl is not powergirl....

here's how to tell the diffrence...
britney zor-el has pointy paris hiltonish boobs....as well as basically a hiltonite clone.

pee-gee pamela anderson before reduction surgery....

...

don't make this thread into infinite massive mammaries crisis thread please....
thats my job:-)

[Lackey]

some annotations on #1

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46414


those annotations are pretty funny, I just finished reading it :D

[The Black Mask]

i am reading the annotations right now...

[Kaleb]

Q: Is Phantom Lady dead?

A: C’mon – it says “SHLPT” right there in red letters, not “SHONK” or “SPROCK.” But mad props to her costume for keepin’ it real and holding together, even in mortal combat, yo.
Ive not read the issue but that last comment was funny as hell

[KAD]

Damn first Buddy Blank

Now the Freedom Fighters


What the heck


Then again maybe Brother 1 will meet the True Brother Eye in the Crisis
and the Omac's will learn the meaning of their names.



Buddy Blank Lives!!!!!!!!

[Tamanon]

I disagree. If they did as you are suggesting then Infinite Crisis will not do that much to the DCU. Batman is going to die, we know he is gone for a year...its Batman, get over it. Its not my favorite move either, but its going to go down:(

We know nothing of the sort. Just rumors about Batman being gone for a year.

[Kitsune]

, or even a super-speed stream of pee from Professor Zoom.
If it is, he should change his name to "The Wizzer" :lol: :D.

[Kaleb]

I think if bruce wayne died , I might start picking up batman comics again just to see how things go

[SpideyInATree]

I really hope that there is a George Perez cover for ish # 2 because I'm really not digging that Jim Lee cover. :o

[ShadowBoxing]

I really hope that there is a George Perez cover for ish # 2 because I'm really not digging that Jim Lee cover. :othere is and its been unseen so far, I think there must be something revealing about it

[SpideyInATree]

Good, because I'll be getting the George Perez cover. :up:

The Perez cover for # 1 was freakin' awesome, I just HAD to get it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is Perez doing covers for all of the issues? Because I plan on buying all of his covers instead of Lee's if he is. Tradition and all. ;) Plus, I think Perez's art is just better than Lee's.

[Tamanon]

Perez is doing a cover for all 7

[TheCorpulent1]

Sweet. Thanks.

[SpideyInATree]

Perez is doing a cover for all 7

That's F'N sexy! I'll be purchasing all of his versions of the covers. Jim Lee is good and all, but...I don't know...Lee's covers just seem, dumb. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

No, no, if you want to be PC, you've gotta say that Perez drew the original Crisis, so you HAVE to get his covers for this one out of tradition!

[Tamanon]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/IC_4_Perezepre.htm

Apparently Perez's #4 cover has been posted along with the solicit. No real spoilers there, just teasers.

Batman/Nightwing confrontation??^_^

[Lackey]

Perez's cover for #1 was really nice and had more depth and meaning packed in that Lee's did.

I'll have to wait and see how his cover for #2 looks, because I do like Lee's cover because of what it represents... I'm gonna take this on a case by case basis.

[sikkbones]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/IC_4_Perezepre.htm

Apparently Perez's #4 cover has been posted along with the solicit. No real spoilers there, just teasers.

Batman/Nightwing confrontation??^_^


when the hell did tim drake become a green lantern?

[SpideyInATree]

when the hell did tim drake become a green lantern?

What the hell are you talking about? :confused: Tim Drake is Robin.

[TheCorpulent1]

when the hell did tim drake become a green lantern?
Hahaha, Kyle really does look a lot like Tim there, doesn't he? Weird. The GLs are really outnumbering all of the other heroes in that cover, though. 4 GLs vs. just one or two from every other hero "family."

[Tamanon]

He's just talking about the way Kyle is drawn by Perez, looks almost like Tim.

[sikkbones]

wouldn't it be a kick in the ass if it really was tim in kyle outfit?
one redundant charachter assumes the costume of another obsolete redudant character...


i just got booted from comicbloc for making this joke can you belive that?

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, people are very sensitive about their favorite characters. I like both Tim and Kyle, and I personally think they're the best people to hold their respective identities (and by that I mean the Corps GL generation for Kyle, since Alan still owns all). But I'm not sensitive about calling them names because that's just kind of silly.

[The Ether]

it depends on which cover I like more, and obviously I took Perez's cover for #1, I want to see how # 2 is gonna turn out.

[sikkbones]

it depends on which cover I like more, and obviously I took Perez's cover for #1, I want to see how # 2 is gonna turn out.
you haven't seen #2's cover yet?

i'm sure there's only the one...
unles they do a variant with pee- gee and the other with the whole family

[sikkbones]

Well, people are very sensitive about their favorite characters. I like both Tim and Kyle, and I personally think they're the best people to hold their respective identities (and by that I mean the Corps GL generation for Kyle, since Alan still owns all). But I'm not sensitive about calling them names because that's just kind of silly.


dude... my toungue is firmly in cheek here...

one redundant charachter assumes the costume of another obsolete redudant character...

robin III and green latern IV.. acutally GL 1904 but i lost track years ago...

this would be a cheesy way for DC to replace one legacy character for another without killing off anyone important...

see also my theory on nightwing.

[Tamanon]

you haven't seen #2's cover yet?

i'm sure there's only the one...
unles they do a variant with pee- gee and the other with the whole family

The PG and group cover is the Lee cover, they haven't released the Perez cover yet. We only saw PG at first because it would've been a HUGE spoiler otherwise haha

[The Ether]

yeah, what ^^^ said.

[BrianWilly]

some annotations on #1

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=46414
Ha, that's awesome:D.

RE: Perez cover for issue 4...the whole "bunches of superheroes spinning around in a vortex of space" cover is a bit overdone by now, but I guess there's really no other way to portray that kind of situation..

[sikkbones]

theory only:
don't read if you dont want to be spoiled about INF crisis #1:
if infinite crisis bombs... they DCU can be explained back to post 2003 status with a simple retcon for those who didn't see it yesterday in my delusional rantings about my favorite/now my most hated legacy charachter coming back.....

retcon idea 1.
everything happening in INF. Crisis is a hallencation either produced by pysho pirate and luthor using PP's powers on a massive scale to affect the DCU bats,Pg etc.
(this explains jason todd, hush, ruin, max, etc. and all the dumb crap from the last 2 years)

retcon idea 2.
all of this is in powergirl's head as a result of pyscho pirate and we are seeing a warped prism of Karen starr reality right now and have been for some time....
(way to rip house of M off right?)


either way of these ideas could retcon everything back to Post Coie days... but unfourtuantly no more origin for powergirl....

i almost wonder why PG is so important to luthor and PP in jsa C #3.. my theory makes a lot more sense than it should... esp retcon #1.

[ShadowBoxing]

Ha, that's awesome:D.

RE: Perez cover for issue 4...the whole "bunches of superheroes spinning around in a vortex of space" cover is a bit overdone by now, but I guess there's really no other way to portray that kind of situation..Where have I seen that Perez cover before, I cannot quiet place it
http://www.houseofcomics.com/images/MN822.gif

[Shockdingo]

Hi guys, I've been away from DC for a bit and am a bit confused on this. Is this like a sequel to Crisis on Inf. Earths? What exactly is going on? Is this another revamp? Thanks in advance

[Bat-Mantis]

It's a direct sequel to the Crisis on Infinite Earths, but it is not a revamp of continuity at all. It may fix a few continuity glitches (like how Superman: Birthright can fit in continuity and what happened to Superman: The Man of Steel or For All Seasons) and fix a few confusing origins (like Power Girl and Donna Troy), but it's not a restart or revamp. It will also fix the tone of the DCU, help to improve a lot of characters (like fixing Superman's whiny-ass, lightening Batman up a little, etc.) and help to establish a more connected, living universe among the characters and titles.
As for what's going on... check the board. There are tons of threads on this.

[Shockdingo]

Thanks a bunch, that really helped

[sikkbones]

has anyone noticed this similarty?

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/InfiniteCrisisCv1-copy.jpg

and

http://www.posterplanet.net/images/ttaaecredits.jpg

[hippie_hunter]

has anyone noticed this similarty?

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/InfiniteCrisisCv1-copy.jpg

and

http://www.posterplanet.net/images/ttaaecredits.jpg

Batman and Superman are competing for Wonder Woman's love :confused:

[Lackey]

wouldn't you? ;)

[hippie_hunter]

wouldn't you? ;)

For that rack, yes :o

Also Arwen and whats her face don't look like they're gonna kill each other

[Scorpion]

Eowyn,...her name is Eowyn,...the hotter and cooler of the two.

[Lackey]

...and the more flat-chested, tom-boy like :)

[regwec]

Hello everyone.

I've been absent for a few days in order to avoid spoilers, and cannot possibly (find the time to) read through all your posts since I was away. I wonder if you'd be kind enough to summarise your theories on the following, as a recap:

1) The significance of the "OMAC project complete" sequence involving Nightwing.

2) Who were the long-haired telepath, and the shadowy, red eyed figure in the last issue of JLA?

3) What exactly is the nature of the barrier between Earths 2 and 1, and how is Earth 2 Superman suddenly able to break through?

4) do we have background on Knockout, Scandal's lover?

Thanks for your time.

[yenaled]

1) The significance of the "OMAC project complete" sequence involving Nightwing.

I've no real idea but obviously Brother-one has a new plan, just have to wait and see.


2) Who were the long-haired telepath, and the shadowy, red eyed figure in the last issue of JLA?

The longhaired telephath is Dawn, the wife of Manitou Raven, Manitou was introduced in Joe Kelly's run of JLA (Obsidian Age) and died in Justice League Elite this year. She has taken up his role as a Raven.

The red-eyed figure was the Keys.


3) What exactly is the nature of the barrier between Earths 2 and 1, and how is Earth 2 Superman suddenly able to break through?

At the end of COIE, Alexander Luthor created a peaceful Heaven between worlds, and those four went there. I think he broke through now because nhe never tried before, he was happy to live out his life and not interfere in a place that wasn't his world.


4) do we have background on Knockout, Scandal's lover?


Knockout was a Superboy villain, i'm pretty sure she used to be a stripper as well - so Scandal has lucked out. She is from Apokolips and was meant to be become one of the Female Furies, but Granny Goodness didn't like her and punished her often, she eventually espcaped went to Earth, became a stripper and a criminal. She has superstrength.

[regwec]

Ah, many thanks.

I must say that I found the Trinity's little fall-out on the moon most entertaining, vis.

Superman (to WW): Stop being a murderer.
Wonderwoman: Get with it.
Superman (to Batman): Stop being an omniscient d!ck.
Batman: Stop being a pu$$y.

It said a lot of things that needed to be said, in my opinion. I think everything looks really promising at the moment.

Edit: what do we know about 'The Keys'

[Ultimate_Superman]

Ah, many thanks.

I must say that I found the Trinity's little fall-out on the moon most entertaining, vis.

Superman (to WW): Stop being a murderer.
Wonderwoman: Get with it.
Superman (to Batman): Stop being an omniscient d!ck.
Batman: Stop being a pu$$y.

It said a lot of things that needed to be said, in my opinion. I think everything looks really promising at the moment.

Edit: what do we know about 'The Keys'LOL I love it because thats pretty much what they were saying

[TheCorpulent1]

The KEY (singular) is a villain who uses chemicals to mess with people's heads. He used them on the JLA once and made them all believe that they were different versions of themselves. He's "unlocked the doors in his brain," meaning that he uses the other 90% of the brain usually reserved for subconscious/automatic stuff for conscious thought, so he's really smart. He had a key gun initially, but I can't remember if he had it after his JLA revamp. He's also able to open any lock, anywhere, simply because he's the Key and he'd kind of be a disgrace to the name if he couldn't.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Thing is I blame Smallville(the TV show) for turning Superman into a wuss.:mad: because on that show thats all he ever does.

[regwec]

The longhaired telephath is Dawn, the wife of Manitou Raven, Manitou was introduced in Joe Kelly's run of JLA (Obsidian Age) and died in Justice League Elite this year. She has taken up his role as a Raven.
Ah, no hang on. I actually meant the other long-haired telepath: the one that escaped from Arkham Asylum, and murdered the mantainance man at the end of the comic. Sorry for the confusion. I swear there are too many damn telepaths nowadays.

[jaydawg]

Thing is I blame Smallville(the TV show) for turning Superman into a wuss.:mad: because on that show thats all he ever does.
You honestly believe that Smallville had an effect on comic Supes? Your kidding yourself. Its pretty obvious how much everyone hates what Bryne did. I mean Supes killed three criminals and after dying turned into a gun wielding anti-hero in all black. Luthor got kryptonite cancer and had to live in the cloned body of someone claiming to be his son and started dating Supergirl. I swear the only two good things came from the recton were Pa NOT dying and Corporate villain Luthor. Loeb retconned emotionless Krypton, brought back Supergirl and Krypto. In JLA he moved the moon, amongest other pre-crisis level feets. Every writer has strong feelings to the superfriends era since thats what they grew up on. Thats why everything is going back to those days.

[cyrus02pso]

um... im pretty sure all the comics have taken from the show is black kryptonite and giving some youth to ma and pa... the only other thing i would like to see move from the show to comics is make red k the same as it is on smallville... however i dont see what any of this has to do with ic

[SpideyInATree]

The best line in Infinite Crisis # 1:

Batman: But they need to be INSPIRED. And let's face it, "SUPERMAN"...the last time you really inspired ANYONE--was when you were DEAD.

Batman rules. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

When did Superman move a moon in JLA? I remember him powering engines that moved a moon with his electric powers and pulling the moon with Wonder Woman and Green Lantern's help, but I can't recall him moving a moon on his own.

[The Ether]

The best line in Infinite Crisis # 1:

Batman: But they need to be INSPIRED. And let's face it, "SUPERMAN"...the last time you really inspired ANYONE--was when you were DEAD.

Batman rules. :up:

Lately, Batman has been on a roll on pwning people. From All-star Batman:p to infinite crisis. Few months ago, Batman has been taking a lot of verbal abuse from Superman in for tommorrow, and John Stewart in Green Lantern: Rebirth. But now he's back with a vengeance :batman:

[SpideyInATree]

Lately, Batman has been on a roll on pwning people. From All-star Batman:p to infinite crisis. Few months ago, Batman has been taking a lot of verbal abuse from Superman in for tommorrow, and John Stewart in Green Lantern: Rebirth. But now he's back with a vengeance :batman:

I love it when Batman tells Superman how it really is. The look on Superman's face on the next panel was priceless. :up:

[Bat-Mantis]

JLA # 7, wow, get a clue or GTFO!What? **** you. The first reference to Superman moving the moon said he was at "pre-crisis power levels" or something, so he had the ability to move the moon. This means Superman literally grabbed the moon and moved it, as he would Pre-Crisis. In JLA #7, Superman used his electrical powers to give the moon poles or something, and a magnetic field pulled it towards earth. Never, ever, EVER in the Pre-Crisis timeline did Superman have electromagnetic powers or anything like that. That was not the instance referenced before. If it was, it doesn’t make any sense because he didn’t use his powers the same way he did Pre-Crisis, and he didn’t even have those powers Pre-Crisis. The analogy is false.
In another issue of JLA (the number escapes me), Superman and others literally moved the moon. Superman strapped on a harness and they pulled the damned thing. THAT is something Superman would have done Pre-Crisis. The thing is, in that issue, Superman had help from almost every powerhouse in the JLA, including Green Lantern and Wonder Woman. So technically no, Superman is not nearing Pre-Crisis power levels and no, this was never shown by his ability to move the moon.
Get a clue, ****in’ noob.

EDIT: Oh hey! Wow! Looks like he got banned! Sweet. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he was following me around and replying to all of my posts with crap like that, so I reported him.

[The Batman]

I love it when Batman tells Superman how it really is. The look on Superman's face on the next panel was priceless. :up:

I didnt like how in the issue neith Supes or WW called Batman on his mistakes.

they should've told Bruce how it is as well. They all needed a verbal pimpsmacking.

[SpideyInATree]

I didnt like how in the issue neith Supes or WW called Batman on his mistakes.

they should've told Bruce how it is as well. They all needed a verbal pimpsmacking.

Yeah, but it's always best to see Superman get a verbal pimpsmacking. :up:

[The Batman]

nah, i got sick of that everytime they made batman humilate supes everytime he guest starred in his comic book

[SpideyInATree]

I never get sick of seeing Superman humiliated. I'm hoping that Supes meets a doomed fate in Infinite Crisis so he can be cool again. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Do you not read Rucka's Superman comic or something? Superman's still cool in the right hands.

[Lackey]

I never get sick of seeing Superman humiliated. I'm hoping that Supes meets a doomed fate in Infinite Crisis so he can be cool again. :o


what do you mean "again"? when was he last cool to you?

the what I remember you saying before, you've never thought Superman was cool. :confused:

[SpideyInATree]

what do you mean "again"? when was he last cool to you?

the what I remember you saying before, you've never thought Superman was cool. :confused:

That last time he was cool was when he died. :up:

[Lackey]

:rolleyes:

[Pksoze]

That last time he was cool was when he died. :up:


You're seriously wacked.

[cabel]

The freedom fighters got owned.

[SpideyInATree]

You're seriously wacked.

Why? Because the last Superman story that I enjoyed was the Death of Superman? Gee, sorry. :o

[sikkbones]

Why? Because the last Superman story that I enjoyed was the Death of Superman? Gee, sorry. :o


i think that's gonna end up retconned....
replaced with the inclusion of golden age superman into a nursing home.

[Pksoze]

Why? Because the last Superman story that I enjoyed was the Death of Superman? Gee, sorry. :o

The way you wrote it, it seemed you would get some perverse glee out of seeing Superman dead and stay dead. I thought that was seriously creepy.

If I misinterpreted you I'm sorry if I didn't your wacked.

[SpideyInATree]

The way you wrote it, it seemed you would get some perverse glee out of seeing Superman dead and stay dead. I thought that was seriously creepy.

If I misinterpreted you I'm sorry.

I was asked when the last time Superman's character was cool. And it was during Death of Superman. Or when he died. I didn't take any joy in it or anything. It was a touching story and some of the issues after that were awesome. But then they did that Return of Superman garbage...and then when he was resurrected...well, the books sucked.

I've skimmed through recent books and tried to get back into him, but nothing tickles my fancy. Maybe after Infinite Crisis, something will make the character interesting for me again. :o

[Pksoze]

I was asked when the last time Superman's character was cool. And it was during Death of Superman. Or when he died. I didn't take any joy in it or anything. It was a touching story and some of the issues after that were awesome. But then they did that Return of Superman garbage...and then when he was resurrected...well, the books sucked.

I've skimmed through recent books and tried to get back into him, but nothing tickles my fancy. Maybe after Infinite Crisis, something will make the character interesting for me again. :o


You don't like Rucka's run? He's pretty good.

He's pretty good.

I thought Return of Supes was good except for that stupid mullet they gave him.

Anyway ever read Whatever Happened to The Man of Tommorow. If not you're missing maybe the greatest Supes story ever.

[sikkbones]

I was asked when the last time Superman's character was cool. And it was during Death of Superman. Or when he died. I didn't take any joy in it or anything. It was a touching story and some of the issues after that were awesome. But then they did that Return of Superman garbage...and then when he was resurrected...well, the books sucked.

I've skimmed through recent books and tried to get back into him, but nothing tickles my fancy. Maybe after Infinite Crisis, something will make the character interesting for me again. :o
one kryptoian bullet for an elderly superman coming right up..
where do you want him to take it? the head? the knee? the back?

[Scorpion]

I must admit Clark was pretty cool during Azarello's run, when he basically told the various gods, or elementals, or whatever they were that if they killed off humanity, he'd destroy Earth's mountains, dry up its waterbeds, and burn off its ozone, or something to that effect, and become a refugee on some other planet after he destroyed Earth. I admit, I kinda cheered and thought that was impressively bold. Kudos to you Clark.

[sikkbones]

Well, all the clues point now to Power Girl being the Earth-2 or 1 or whatever's Supergirl. But there ARE problems with that.

First off, there is the future thing. It first raised its head in JSA, where Midnite suggests that she is from the future, rather than the past. Then again in Hawkman, where a fortune teller tells her that she is living her life in reverse, rather like Merlin, suggesting again that she is from the future. But where would that fit with her being an alternate universe Supergirl?

Then there is Midnite telling her that her brain and cardiac functions show none of the normal electrical functions, not something I've ever heard associated with Kryptonians.

Also, Arion tells her that he did what he did at her mother's request, and that she will ner her soon, and would be proud of her. What THAT suggests is that:

A). Arion KNOWS Power Girl's mother, which implies that they exist in the SAME universe.

B). That Power Girl's mother is STILL ALIVE, which is NOT something you would expect if she blew up with any version of Krypton.

Now of course the fortune teller could just have been a fortune teller, and could have been faking it, Arion could have been lying again, and Midnite could have been wrong about everything he said, but would Johns set things up like that so far in advance just to mess with the fans? Not that I put him above messing with the fans, but would he do it so far in advance?



if infinite crisis bombs... they DCU can be explained back to post 2003 status with a simple retcon for those who didn't see it yesterday in my delusional rantings about my favorite/now my most hated legacy charachter coming back.....

retcon idea 1.
everything happening in INF. Crisis is a hallencation either produced by pysho pirate and luthor using PP's powers on a massive scale to affect the DCU bats,Pg etc.
(this explains jason todd, hush, ruin, max, etc. and all the dumb crap from the last 2 years)

retcon idea 2.
all of this is in powergirl's head as a result of pyscho pirate and we are seeing a warped prism of Karen starr reality right now and have been for some time....
(way to rip house of M off right?)


either way of these ideas could retcon everything back to Post Coie days... but unfourtuantly no more origin for powergirl....

i almost wonder why PG is so important to luthor and PP in jsa C #3.. my theory makes a lot more sense than it should... esp retcon #1.



i think luthor has some kind of relationship with britney zor-el.. i think some how she's going to end up being some sort of kryptoian clone with elements of linda danvers and matrix when as is said and done...
unless britney zor-el is somehow linda's daughter mindwiped...

all i know is britney Zor-el is going to end up with a more confusing origin than peegee's had in 20 years when all is said and done

[CAPT. MARVEL]

hey guys, sorry to butt in and I am not sure if anyone else noticed this yet, but near the middle of the comic looks like a definate foreshadowing of bats being the new spectre. Check the bat-signal plastered all over Spectre's chest

[Tamanon]

hey guys, sorry to butt in and I am not sure if anyone else noticed this yet, but near the middle of the comic looks like a definate foreshadowing of bats being the new spectre. Check the bat-signal plastered all over Spectre's chest

Yeah it's been mentioned several times, even the page was posted a couple pages back. Could just be a red herring or an unintentional image. We'll see.

[The Riddler]

RIDDLER!

:up:

[The Joker™]

Speaking of the Riddler.

Riddler, did you like his riddle?

[The Riddler]

Speaking of the Riddler.

Riddler, did you like his riddle?
it was ok. :O

i hope we see more of him.

[The Joker™]

I thought he looked cool.

Wheres the Joker damnit!!

[The Riddler]

I thought he looked cool.

Wheres the Joker damnit!!
yeah.

i was really glad he was back in his old threads.

he looked almost like he was in control of scarface and co.

it is odd the joker is missing.

i'm pretty sure we'll see him sooner or later.

[The Joker™]

Our names come in around the same part in our avatars.

Thats funny.

[The Riddler]

Our names come in around the same part in our avatars.

Thats funny.
aha yeah.

i heard geoff say joker would show up in issue #2 so who knows?

[The Riddler]

The best line in Infinite Crisis # 1:

Batman: But they need to be INSPIRED. And let's face it, "SUPERMAN"...the last time you really inspired ANYONE--was when you were DEAD.

Batman rules. :up:
loved that line.

maybe the best one-liner.

:up:

[Tojo]

spoiler
last page of IC#2
http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/7482/scan00338hj.jpg

don't click unless u want to be spoiled.
this looks cool.. hope it ends up as a poster....

i also wonder wonder why lois is old as dirt but sb of earth prime hasn't aged a day?

Don't you mean last page of IC no.1?


But anyway, i wish i was born in 1965 instead of 1985, then i wouldn't have to trawl through wikipedia the whole time. Silly parents :down

[MaraJanesSlave]

hey guys, sorry to butt in and I am not sure if anyone else noticed this yet, but near the middle of the comic looks like a definate foreshadowing of bats being the new spectre. Check the bat-signal plastered all over Spectre's chest
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[roach]

Mommy, that mean person was following me. we were suppose to stop tattaling in 1st grade, baby!


not supposed to be griefing either

[OtepApe]

The best line in Infinite Crisis # 1:

Batman: But they need to be INSPIRED. And let's face it, "SUPERMAN"...the last time you really inspired ANYONE--was when you were DEAD.

Batman rules. :up:

One of the reasons I like Batman so much, his blatant honeesty and ability to speak the truth no matter what.

[Sparda]

I just a have a quick question...why is superman having such a hard time dealing with fact that Wonder Woman killed Max Lord? Didn't he kill General Zod and the other Kryptonians? Just because they're kryptonians makes it alright for him to do it, but when its a meta its not right. It can't be that its just because she doesn't feel remorse...because eventually supes began legitmatizes his murders.

That's my question...or series of questions rather

[Anubis]

Its not so much that she killed Max, it's that she killed him and showed no remorse for her actions. When Supes killed the Kryptonians, he nearly went insane with Guilt over it. Even Exiled himself from Earth for awhile. Diana? Well, she certainly wasn't gonna cry over it. She felt she did what she had to. Plus he was a douchbag. That helps you get over it pretty easy.

[Tojo]

Superman and Batman keep on having a go at WW telling her that she is disconnected to humanity also. It's interestingly brings up how weak humans are, because of their morals. WW did what needed to be done. Superman gets all high and mighty on her because he's trying to fit in and be a human, and he's been conditioned as a human from day one, but Bruce constantly reminds him that he's not. ha ha.

[Dwarf lord]

OH MY GOD....


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv2.jpg

This means Perez's cover will be every incarnation of Superman, Superboy, Supergirl, and all his villains... ever!

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't be surprised. Perez is insane about group shots... Plus, that would rock. :)

[jaydawg]

I love that cover so much.

[roach]

NO.....not another cover choice

[Tojo]

Powergirl has a really great rack in that picture. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.

[TheCorpulent1]

What are you talking about? A lot of doctors get paid a lot of money to "make 'em like that" still. :p

[Tojo]

Damn....if that top went a little lower we could see her nips.

[jaydawg]

Oh just wanted to point out its all but offical that Barbara is gonna become Batwoman. Comicscontinuum reported DC is launcing a Batwoman comic beginning next year.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ugh. I hope she's at least going to continue doing her thing as Oracle alongside that, and only go out on missions sporadically. She's really much, much better as Oracle than a physical crimefighter. :o

[Sarge 2.0]

Its not so much that she killed Max, it's that she killed him and showed no remorse for her actions. When Supes killed the Kryptonians, he nearly went insane with Guilt over it. Even Exiled himself from Earth for awhile. Diana? Well, she certainly wasn't gonna cry over it. She felt she did what she had to. Plus he was a douchbag. That helps you get over it pretty easy.Yeah, I don't think many readers felt too sad when he bit the dust. Plus, she let him off pretty easy, just quickly snapping his neck.

[Tojo]

Babs becoming Batwoman is good. Hopefully she will stop with the Oracle stuff and Batman can work stuff out on his own for once.

And maybe that'll break the Bat-family up a bit. Y'know how she links everyone together. Well, post-crisis i want to see Batman on his own or with Robin much more.

[yenaled]

Will this Batwoman still have a utility purse?

[Sarge 2.0]

Babs becoming Batwoman is good. Hopefully she will stop with the Oracle stuff and Batman can work stuff out on his own for once.

And maybe that'll break the Bat-family up a bit. Y'know how she links everyone together. Well, post-crisis i want to see Batman on his own or with Robin much more.I agree with that, mostly. As much as I've liked Robins solo book and his stuff with the Titans, I really think he needs a bigger role in the Batman universe again.

[The Question]

I kinda felt that Infinite Crisis #1 was kind of ****ting on Greg Rucka's work. While Greg Rucka wasn't the one who tried to make Superman more human, Greg was one of the people who made it work. And in Infinite Crisis, you have them treating Superman being more human like a bad thing. Greg also wrote WOnder Woman as someone who, if necesairy, would kill someone. She wouldn't kill every enemy she fought, but if there was no other way she would off the other guy. And here, she's being portrayed as a cold blooded killer. I mean, there's a difference between what she did to Max Lord and trying to stab Mongul to death when he's already been beaten. That right there was a horribly out of character moment for her.


Just my observations.

[CAPT. MARVEL]

I kinda felt that Infinite Crisis #1 was kind of ****ting on Greg Rucka's work. While Greg Rucka wasn't the one who tried to make Superman more human, Greg was one of the people who made it work. And in Infinite Crisis, you have them treating Superman being more human like a bad thing. Greg also wrote WOnder Woman as someone who, if necesairy, would kill someone. She wouldn't kill every enemy she fought, but if there was no other way she would off the other guy. And here, she's being portrayed as a cold blooded killer. I mean, there's a difference between what she did to Max Lord and trying to stab Mongul to death when he's already been beaten. That right there was a horribly out of character moment for her.


Just my observations.
I agree with your superman comment. I like my Superman to be a human who just happens to have been from another planet and has all these cool powers. I don't like him as an alien who just happened to grow up on Earth. He's Clark Kent not Kal-El:supes: (well he's both, but you get what I am saying)

[The Victor]

Like others of you, my reaction to the issue was mixed. The writing and art was good, but the whole hero in-fighting is getting old and much of the issue is just showing what indeed happened in the four/five Countdown minis.
My reviews: http://www.dailyraider.com/index.php?id=4045

[sikkbones]

i have a really stupid question for you folks....

it's kinda obvious that kal was coming back in INF Crisis but the birth of Kal-el cage may have jumpstated the fact and pushed it even earlier to use the free publicity.

what do you people think?

[Dr.Fear]

what r u trying to say that dc paid cage to name the ababy kal el? answer no. cage himself is a self professed comic gek extremely harcore geek. so he named the baby kal el on his own decsion.

[the.corpulent1]

Ugh. I hope she's at least going to continue doing her thing as Oracle alongside that, and only go out on missions sporadically. She's really much, much better as Oracle than a physical crimefighter. :o

among other things right ;)

[SpideyInATree]

what r u trying to say that dc paid cage to name the ababy kal el? answer no. cage himself is a self professed comic gek extremely harcore geek. so he named the baby kal el on his own decsion.

And his last name really isn't Cage either. He changed it for acting purposes and chose the name after another comic book character, Luke Cage: Hero For Hire. :o

Nick Cage is a comic geek like all of us.

[sikkbones]

what r u trying to say that dc paid cage to name the ababy kal el? answer no. cage himself is a self professed comic gek extremely harcore geek. so he named the baby kal el on his own decsion.


no i am saying that DC jumped the gun on the kal-L reveal because of nick cage naming his kid what he did....

i'm sure it wouldn't have been revealed until at least issue 2 if it wasn't for Nick cage...

DC is using the free publicity there...

and does nick cage remind you of frank zappa naming his kid moon unit?

[SpideyInATree]

no i am saying that DC jumped the gun on the kal-L reveal because of nick cage naming his kid what he did....

i'm sure it wouldn't have been revealed until at least issue 2 if it wasn't for Nick cage...

DC is using the free publicity there...

and does nick cage remind you of frank zappa naming his kid moon unit?

I'm sure after all the years of planning this Infinite Crisis that they changed something because Nick Cage, an actor, named his kid after Superman. SURRRE. :o

[sikkbones]

I'm sure after all the years of planning this Infinite Crisis that they changed something because Nick Cage, an actor, named his kid after Superman. SURRRE. :o
i didn't say they changed it... just brought back the golden age superman soon er than they were originally planning to capatalize on the fact that the name Kal-el was in the mainstream media.

[SpideyInATree]

i didn't say they changed it... just brought back the golden age superman soon er than they were originally planning to capatalize on the fact that the name Kal-el was in the mainstream media.

And as was said, it's pretty doubtful. I think with Villains United alone it was obvious that Golden Age Supes wasn't brought back early. And as I said, all those years of planning this and to push something up because of Nick Cage? Please. DC isn't that dumb. :o

[sikkbones]

And as was said, it's pretty doubtful. I think with Villains United alone it was obvious that Golden Age Supes wasn't brought back early. And as I said, all those years of planning this and to push something up because of Nick Cage? Please. DC isn't that dumb. :o
what was the clue In VU? i missed it.

[The Question]

It turns out that the Lex Luthor who's controling the Society isn't our Lex Luthor, but pre crisis Lex Luthor who somehow survived the Crisis. Mockingbird was in fact the real Lex Luthor.

[sikkbones]

Going with the premise ( so far ) that Superman ( The 1st!) has been sitting around watching the current Earth through some invisible barrier since the CRISIS -with Lois and Superboy and Alexi mind you- what has he seen that has him so gall darn p.o'd that he chose NOW to smash through and "set things right"???
What specifically was it?

An apathetic Conner Kent? ( wasn't it a bit erie that Superman knew Conner by his name AND that he was seeing him just chillin in his living room watching TV?)

Or was it that Power Girl, his cousin, is being tormented by the Psycho Pirate ( originally an Earth-2 villian ) and everyone else was sitting around whining about who mind wiped who for so long?

Could it be that he is thuroughly annoyed with Batman never having the kahonies to make a move on Selina Kyle and just when he might he STILL FOCUSES ON THE MIND WIPE b.s. and is even now second guessing her motives because of her being "wiped". I mean his best pal Bruce Wayne not only HAD the kahonies...he got married to her and had the HUNTRESS!( His cousin's best freind!)

Is he unnerved by the notion that the sheer heroic example that he left in the hands of the "Trinity" has been destoyed simply because Wonder Woman Killed Max Lord? SINCE Kal-L knows He and his best pal Bruce Wayne were killing Nazis and the like back in THEIR glory days! ( Not to mention his best gal pal a certain Princess Diana!)

Or was it the simple line " You havnet inspired anyone since you died"?

Just what would cause a Superman to smash through an invisible barrier to another reality assuming full responsibility of that reality so much as to feel he needed to "fix it"?

Do I hear echoes of Parralax with every smash of thunder cracking at reality?????

[The Question]

Mabey it was just all of that stuff?

[Sarge 2.0]

Can't wait to see Earth 2 Superman confront the Post-Crisis Trinity, that's bound to be awesome.

[TheCorpulent1]

Babs becoming Batwoman is good. Hopefully she will stop with the Oracle stuff and Batman can work stuff out on his own for once.

And maybe that'll break the Bat-family up a bit. Y'know how she links everyone together. Well, post-crisis i want to see Batman on his own or with Robin much more.
The Bat-family's been broken up almost completely since "War Games." What could Barbara really do as Batwoman that would be better than connecting literally every superhero in the DC universe, thus allowing them to do their common job more effectively?

[Bat-Mantis]

i didn't say they changed it... just brought back the golden age superman soon er than they were originally planning to capatalize on the fact that the name Kal-el was in the mainstream media.But really, what does that have to do with Nick Cage? His baby is named Kal-El, which is the POST Crisis Superman's Kryptonian name, and the name Superman preferred in the recent Azz & Lee arc. The Golden Age Superman was Kal-L. There is absolutely no reason they'd hurry the return of the Golden Age Superman because Nick Cage named his son after the Silver and Modern Age Superman.Going with the premise ( so far ) that Superman ( The 1st!) has been sitting around watching the current Earth through some invisible barrier since the CRISIS -with Lois and Superboy and Alexi mind you- what has he seen that has him so gall darn p.o'd that he chose NOW to smash through and "set things right"???
What specifically was it? There is no single specific reason. He said on the first page something like, "They've forgotten why we're here, haven't they?" He, Lois, Superboy and Alex Luthor exiled themselves to a parallel dimension so these heroes could survive and continue being heroes. This is the darkest the DCU has ever been. It's the bleakest, it's the most violent, it's the most depressing and it's the most deadly. The heroes are dying in droves. Their resolve is broken, their spirit is dying. They're fighting amongst themselves, They're tampering with each others minds, they can't trust each other or, in some cases, themselves. This is DC's darkest hour.
That's why old school Supes decided to break out.

[TheCorpulent1]

Although, you'd think if the pre-Crisis holdovers could see everything that's going on in their organic-looking monitor room, they'd have done something about the satellite Leaguers when the flashback event in IDC went down to begin with... That was a fairly huge betrayal of what being a hero should be, I'd think.

[LinternaVerde]

my question is... who was the being with the red cape in JLA#119 just before the Crisis started?

[Dr.Fear]

so from what ive read so far thru the posts. dc plans to retur to the old time?

[TheCorpulent1]

We still don't know. Could've been any number of people who wear red capes... Ultraman of the Crime Syndicate, the future Superman allied with Lex in Superman/Batman, the evil Titans Tomorrow Conner, Malefic or Fernus shapeshifted to look like someone else, etc. Red capes are sort of a dime a dozen in the DC universe.

[Bat-Mantis]

Although, you'd think if the pre-Crisis holdovers could see everything that's going on in their organic-looking monitor room, they'd have done something about the satellite Leaguers when the flashback event in IDC went down to begin with... That was a fairly huge betrayal of what being a hero should be, I'd think.
Well, there have been dozens of rather big, horrible events they could have helped to stop in the past, including Hal's rather non-heroic betrayal of his friends and the Corps, as well as his attempted destruction of the universe.
They've just reached the breaking point, I suppose. With the universe ending and the heroes acting like children and being at each others throats, they've finally decided to intervene.

[TheCorpulent1]

I suppose. The fact that alternate versions of people are popping up and the few characters with strong pre-Crisis roots (Power Girl, Donna Troy, Jason Todd, etc.) are going through really weird stuff now might have something to do with it too, since that's kind of like the current heroes' jackassery and the holdovers' own problems mixing together.

[The Watchman]

Well, there have been dozens of rather big, horrible events they could have helped to stop in the past, including Hal's rather non-heroic betrayal of his friends and the Corps, as well as his attempted destruction of the universe.
They've just reached the breaking point, I suppose. With the universe ending and the heroes acting like children and being at each others throats, they've finally decided to intervene.
It's convenient to the current plot, that's all we really need to know. It's not like this was planned out all the way back in 94...

[jaydawg]

Meh, becoming Parallax is the only worth while thing Hal ever did.

[regwec]

We really don't need Batwoman again. The Bat family, though fragmented, is still too overpopulated, in my opinion. I don't know what Batwoman would do in Batman's life that isn't already divided up between Catwoman and Batgirl. Infinate Crisis really does have amazing potential to suck.

[OtepApe]

I really see no need for a Batwoman, I would much prefer Babs to stay in her Oracle role. I think she can be of much more use to other heroes as Oracle, rather then sticking on a costume and going to fight crime along with however many other people doing the same thing.

[The Demon's Head]

RIP Dr. Polaris. :(

[Sarge 2.0]

RIP Dr. Polaris. :(:confused:

[Doc Destruction]

He blowed up real good.

[Sarge 2.0]

He blowed up real good.Oh I know...but I wouldn't exactly mourn the dude. I think the only villian I would truly miss from the Soceity is Deathstroke...and maybe Black Adam.

[Scorpion]

I really see no need for a Batwoman, I would much prefer Babs to stay in her Oracle role. I think she can be of much more use to other heroes as Oracle, rather then sticking on a costume and going to fight crime along with however many other people doing the same thing.

Keep in mind,...a costume is where she started. And she was in her costume before several of the current heroes were in theirs or even before they were around at all.

[jaydawg]

What does that have to do with anything? Jason Todd was in costume before Kyle Rayner was in anyones head. We all know how that turned out.

[Tamanon]

IT's weird how Comics Continuum published a quick blurb in Saturday's wrap-up saying "DC confirmed a Batwoman comic in 2006".

Bizarre....

[Bat-Mantis]

Just because it's Batwoman doesn't mean it'll be Babs, especially when you consider that DiDio said Babs wouldn't get the use of her legs back and that it would ruin her character if she did.
Could be Huntress or Batgirl for all we know. Heck, Batman could get shipped off to the Asylum and Batgirl could take over in his stead. It would put an end to the, "there'll never be another Batman!" arguments... because his replacement isn't really Batman.
Point being: We don't know anything yet. The Batwoman book could be false information spread by DC to throw fans off.

[yenaled]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Jan06/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedCv17.jpg

anyone else find this slightly untimely?

[Anubis]

You know what? I'm gonna buy that just because. Freedom FIghters forever. :(

[Bat-Mantis]

They'll be back.

[sikkbones]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Jan06/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedCv17.jpg

anyone else find this slightly untimely?


that from the comic or the cartoon?

[Bat-Mantis]

The comic based on the cartoon.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is that Gypsy? JLU is such a fanboy orgasm over the really, really obscure JLA characters of the past. In a good way, though.

Cassie as Batwoman? I wouldn't mind seeing that. Hopefully they'd stick with the all-black costume and not put the ninja in a bright yellow cape or anything.

[sikkbones]

Is that Gypsy? JLU is such a fanboy orgasm over the really, really obscure JLA characters of the past. In a good way, though.

Cassie as Batwoman? I wouldn't mind seeing that. Hopefully they'd stick with the all-black costume and not put the ninja in a bright yellow cape or anything.
if you are talking about the freedom fighter's cartoon pic posted i belive that is a nice animated(censored) version of phantom lady.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I saw Phantom Lady. I'm talking about the woman between Superman and Green Arrow at the bottom of the image.

[Doomed_hero]

Just got it and really enjoyed it. The ending confused me cause I never read COIE but it was all done really well, esp. the breaking of the trinity.

I think this will be about passing down the mantle seeing how Nightwing and Superboy both look to get focus.