The Infinite Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[sikkbones]

look familar?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/BrianLaBelle/firestorm21.jpg

http://www.io.com/~woodward/chroma/crimages/cr07.jpg

it's not like it's been ripped off before
many happy returns anyone?

http://www.thefourthrail.com/images/reviews/022403/supergirl79.jpg

[Bat-Mantis]

There's a difference between a ripoff and a homage.

[SpideyInATree]

Just because it's Batwoman doesn't mean it'll be Babs, especially when you consider that DiDio said Babs wouldn't get the use of her legs back and that it would ruin her character if she did.
Could be Huntress or Batgirl for all we know. Heck, Batman could get shipped off to the Asylum and Batgirl could take over in his stead. It would put an end to the, "there'll never be another Batman!" arguments... because his replacement isn't really Batman.
Point being: We don't know anything yet. The Batwoman book could be false information spread by DC to throw fans off.

Hmmm, that's a pretty good theory. It would definitely toss away those "there'll never be another Batman" arguements. As a matter of fact, if that did happen I'd pick that book up to see how things turn out. :o

[Bat-Mantis]

I kind of think it's a good idea, but I'm not too keen on having a Batman-type-character who can't read...

[Kitsune]

http://www.fascinationst.com/productImages/sku2808.jpg
The original cover this was based off, predates Crissis.

[OtepApe]

Keep in mind,...a costume is where she started. And she was in her costume before several of the current heroes were in theirs or even before they were around at all.

Yeah, but she is far more use as Oracle imo. She puts the other heroes in better posistions to fight crime.

[sikkbones]

re:batwoman

i'm hoping we get a retcon of kathy kanes death and cassie is really kathy and laugue of assasins child...
cain adopted her.

that way we get kathy cain back and deadlier for 1991... oops i mean 2006.

[WormyT]

Crisis number.1 was great!

It reminded me of the last issue of Kingdom Come. Total Chaos and death. I love it!
My only gripe is that they didn't redesign OLD Supermans costume. I mean, heres a perfect opportunity to make a slick, old wiser looking Superman Suit.
It's still Superman. But to me he looks so dumb being an old guy with that bloody suit.
:confused:

[KAD]

Crisis number.1 was great!

It reminded me of the last issue of Kingdom Come. Total Chaos and death. I love it!
My only gripe is that they didn't redesign OLD Supermans costume. I mean, heres a perfect opportunity to make a slick, old wiser looking Superman Suit.
It's still Superman. But to me he looks so dumb being an old guy with that bloody suit.
:confused:


The word your looking for is Classic

[twylight]

I kind of think it's a good idea, but I'm not too keen on having a Batman-type-character who can't read...

Oracle was teaching her how to a few issues ago in Batgirl.
However they discovered that her mind is put together differently, so she will be able to read someday. However she'll have to work harder to learn tham most people.
Also in the same issue Babs commented to Cass about how she needed to read if she was going to take 'his' place.

[TheCorpulent1]

http://www.fascinationst.com/productImages/sku2808.jpg
The original cover this was based off, predates Crissis.
The "original" pose of someone holding a dead person that they cared about in anguish was the pieta scene with Mary and Jesus. So yeah, it predates a lot of stuff.

[sikkbones]

Oracle was teaching her how to a few issues ago in Batgirl.
However they discovered that her mind is put together differently, so she will be able to read someday. However she'll have to work harder to learn tham most people.
Also in the same issue Babs commented to Cass about how she needed to read if she was going to take 'his' place.


you honestly think they might replace the batman with just the Bat?

[yenaled]

dc's crisis counciling (http://www.dc-comics.com/features/countdown/) posted this which caught my eye...

The Freedom Fighters walked into a Society ambush...and were brutally struck down! Fatalities included Black Condor, Phantom Lady and the Human Bomb!

Notice the lack of Uncle Sam.

[Sarge 2.0]

dc's crisis counciling (http://www.dc-comics.com/features/countdown/) posted this which caught my eye...



Notice the lack of Uncle Sam.Interesting...he was just kind of lying there in a puddle, though. And Sinestro seemed to take him down pretty hard.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's possible that Sam's nature might make him unkillable. I mean, the US is still around, so he's still got something to be the spirit of...

[Tamanon]

I thought he kept being brought back by the Spirit of America anyways? And damn I wonder what they want with The Ray.....

[The BatDude]

i just have this feeling that superman will die i dont know why but what batman said "... the last time you really inspired anyone----was when you were dead." really made me feel that a superman* or the superman* was going to die

*look at the last page of issue 1 of Infinite Crisis

[TheCorpulent1]

I could see A Superman dying...

[Anubis]

Probally Earth 2 Supes. But the current Supes isn't gonna die. The only person that I see that could likely die is Wonder Woman.

[BrianWilly]

I don't see any of the Trinity dying. They're simply far too important. Especially with all of their movies coming out and such.

[CAPT. MARVEL]

I thought he kept being brought back by the Spirit of America anyways? And damn I wonder what they want with The Ray.....
Am I the only one who was sufficiently creeped out by the way he was kidnapped(this was the first time I've seen this psycho pirate character):confused:

[Pksoze]

Am I the only one who was sufficiently creeped out by the way he was kidnapped(this was the first time I've seen this psycho pirate character):confused:


Oh the Psycho Pirate is a very creepy guy. And he was the only one to remember the multi verse from the last Crisis.

[CAPT. MARVEL]

why is he a "psycho pirate"

[Bat-Mantis]

Well, he manipulates peoples emotions. He can cause mass panic or have everyone laughing and hugging and all that. Recently he's gained the ability to tamper with a person's perception of reality... give them complex hallucinations and all that.
So he hijacks (Pirate) a person's mind through hallucinations and their emotions (Psycho). Hence Psycho Pirate.
Plus he's psychotic.

[The BatDude]

look familar?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/BrianLaBelle/firestorm21.jpg

http://www.io.com/~woodward/chroma/crimages/cr07.jpg

it's not like it's been ripped off before
many happy returns anyone?

http://www.thefourthrail.com/images/reviews/022403/supergirl79.jpg
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/comic-covers/Pre-Crisis-Covers/lois-lane-covers/1970/lois-lane-102.jpghttp://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/comic-covers/Pre-Crisis-Covers/lois-lane-covers/1972/lois-lane-128.jpg

[Sarge 2.0]

Am I the only one who was sufficiently creeped out by the way he was kidnapped(this was the first time I've seen this psycho pirate character):confused:I mentioned in another thread that I thought it was creepy the way he took the Ray...that whole "No no no...don't be afraid" thing? Definitely creepy.

[BrianWilly]

Hey, question...

Now that the Wizard Shazam is dead, where is Captain Marvel's power actually coming from? He managed to transform in this issue so obviously it came from somewhere, but I always thought that when Billy wasn't Captain Marvel that the "lightning" is stored with the Wizard himself. At least that's the impression I got from JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice. But now the Wizard's dead...where did the "lightning" come from?

[Sarge 2.0]

Hey, question...

Now that the Wizard Shazam is dead, where is Captain Marvel's power actually coming from? He managed to transform in this issue so obviously it came from somewhere, but I always thought that when Billy wasn't Captain Marvel that the "lightning" is stored with the Wizard himself. At least that's the impression I got from JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice. But now the Wizard's dead...where did the "lightning" come from?We're supposedly going to find out more in Gotham Central # 37. Of course, I believe that the lightning doesn't come from the wizard himself, rather it is summoned by the word Shazam, which brings out Billy's other personality, Captain Marvel. I don't think Shazam has to be alive for the lightning bolt to come, but I could be wrong.

[yenaled]

Hey, question...

Now that the Wizard Shazam is dead, where is Captain Marvel's power actually coming from? He managed to transform in this issue so obviously it came from somewhere, but I always thought that when Billy wasn't Captain Marvel that the "lightning" is stored with the Wizard himself. At least that's the impression I got from JLA/JSA Virtue and Vice. But now the Wizard's dead...where did the "lightning" come from?

As the Wizard said in DoV, Magic is usually stored in specially contained spells and enchantments, and like the lightning being stored in himself.

With the Spectre going mental, he isn't destroying magic he is unleaching it, like energy you can't destory magic, it simply changes. Meaning anyone on the street can gain access to it, or evil magic is free roaming around not chained like uauly.

So Captain Marvel's power is still out there it is just free and not contained by Shazam.

[XFanTim]

http://www.fascinationst.com/productImages/sku2808.jpg
The original cover this was based off, predates Crissis.
That one differs significantly from the others, though. The angle of the victim's arm, the placement of the holder's right hand (closer to her waist instead of her shoulder), and of course the background.

I don't know, the resemblance could be coincidental (unless the artist for that Crisis cover actually said they were copying X-Men). I mean, how many different ways can you draw someone holding a dead body?

[TheCorpulent1]

They're all variants on the pieta scene, which has been represented in art since the Bible was a new release.

[twylight]

you honestly think they might replace the batman with just the Bat?


:confused:
How do my posts get so contorted..did I ever say she would or voice an opinion that she would?
I was merely showing the possibility of it and what was said in the comics.
As well as the fact that she might learn to read?

I don't generally endorse people in comics..........*Unless it's Black Canary who needs more page time. :o* ;)

Also Batgirl in the last two issues lost her eye and mouth coverings, making her cowl almost exactly like Batmans.
Take that however you like...;)

[Kitsune]

That one differs significantly from the others, though. The angle of the victim's arm, the placement of the holder's right hand (closer to her waist instead of her shoulder), and of course the background.

I don't know, the resemblance could be coincidental (unless the artist for that Crisis cover actually said they were copying X-Men). I mean, how many different ways can you draw someone holding a dead body?
Actually the artist said they were copying an issue of Thor... but I can't find an image for that issue. :(

[Sauron]

I never read the first Crisis and I didn't wanna' get into a big story line going through all the books, but the first Crisis revamped DC right? and so now they're doing it again right?

Just wanted to ask as simply as possible.

[KAD]

:eek: I never read the first Crisis and I didn't wanna' get into a big story line going through all the books, but the first Crisis revamped DC right? and so now they're doing it again right?

Just wanted to ask as simply as possible.
:eek: Have you read it yet.

You poor child run I say RUN to your nearest comic shop and pick up the TPB

Or your soul will shrivle and die:eek:

[BrianWilly]

I never read the first Crisis and I didn't wanna' get into a big story line going through all the books, but the first Crisis revamped DC right? and so now they're doing it again right?

Just wanted to ask as simply as possible.
In a word...no. The first Crisis revamped DC continuity. This Crisis is revamping DC's emotional tone and direction.

There's really no reason anymore to be confused about these Crises, since there have been so many "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and "Countdown to Infinite Crisis" recaps floating around on the internet -- some of which have been posted already in this very thread -- which are pretty easy to understand. I myself have never read Crisis on Infinite Earths and I feel like I understand it even better than some people who have read it, just by reading all the online recaps.

[TheCorpulent1]

Actually the artist said they were copying an issue of Thor... but I can't find an image for that issue. :(
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/87389662764.29.GIF ?
Or, perhaps...
http://www.immortalthor.net/thor-425.jpg ?

[The Question]

It's possible that Sam's nature might make him unkillable. I mean, the US is still around, so he's still got something to be the spirit of...


Yeah. Uncle Sam is the living embodyment of the human spirit. He aint going nowhere.

[TheCorpulent1]

The American spirit, isn't it? Otherwise, whoever came up with Uncle Sam would be kind of an ethnocentric ass.

[SpideyInATree]

http://www.immortalthor.net/thor-425.jpg ?

:(

It's sad because I remember when comics were a dollar. :(

[The Question]

The American spirit, isn't it? Otherwise, whoever came up with Uncle Sam would be kind of an ethnocentric ass.


I thought it was the human spirit, but he simply takes the form of Uncle Sam because he identifies with the basic American ideals. Or something. I had an idea for a JSA: Year One comic, so I think I could be confusing the interperitation of Uncle Sam that I would plan on using in that with the way he is currently portrayed in the comics.

[Sarge 2.0]

:(

It's sad because I remember when comics were a dollar. :(I don't. :(

Not having a job sucks, because single issues within the two to four dollar range can cost me like, twenty to thirty bucks a week. That's why I don't buy certain one's as soon as they hit, and I wait until I can scrounge up some more dough.

[KAD]

:(

It's sad because I remember when comics were a dollar. :(


I remember when they were 35 cents:eek:

[Tamanon]

I remember when they were 35 cents:eek:

Hah, I've still got the old Transformers comics along with some He-Man ones from the 25 cent days. Too bad they're in AWFUL condition, c'est la vie:)

[Dr.Fear]

man after reading bats 646, jason is gonna have a big role. hell he might even replace bats.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, Jason Todd definitely reached super bad ass status in ish # 646. I'm really pumped to see how Todd/Red Hood does against Deathstroke

:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it was the human spirit, but he simply takes the form of Uncle Sam because he identifies with the basic American ideals. Or something. I had an idea for a JSA: Year One comic, so I think I could be confusing the interperitation of Uncle Sam that I would plan on using in that with the way he is currently portrayed in the comics.
I think the pre-Crisis gang even refers to Sam as the spirit of "their country" within IC #1, when they're rattling off their list of how everything's going wrong. Even the spirit of their country has fallen or something.

[Dr.Fear]

Yeah, Jason Todd definitely reached super bad ass status in ish # 646. I'm really pumped to see how Todd/Red Hood does against Deathstroke

:up:

yeah i would love to see todd take his butt down

[The Question]

I think the pre-Crisis gang even refers to Sam as the spirit of "their country" within IC #1, when they're rattling off their list of how everything's going wrong. Even the spirit of their country has fallen or something.


Yeah, you're right.

[TheCorpulent1]

yeah i would love to see todd take his butt down
You want to see the pissant little Robin that nobody liked take down Deathstroke, the baddest badass to ever engage in badassery? What is the world coming to? :(

[Sarge 2.0]

You want to see the pissant little Robin that nobody liked take down Deathstroke, the baddest badass to ever engage in badassery? What is the world coming to? :(What if someone liked Jason Todd? He actually added shades of grey to a formerly unintersting character. I'd like to see him take on Deathstroke in his current state (teh uber badass), maybe not take him down.

[TheCorpulent1]

That, I could go for. I'd like to see Deathstroke admit that he's not half bad, then savagely beat the living crap out of him. :up:

[Sarge 2.0]

That, I could go for. I'd like to see Deathstroke admit that he's not half bad, then savagely beat the living crap out of him. :up:I think it'd be pretty funny if Todd ended up having regenerative abilitites. We don't even know if he's even capable of dying yet.

[TheCorpulent1]

If that were the case, the battle would just go on forever or until they both got bored. Slade's immortal.

[Sarge 2.0]

I know. That's why it would be funny.

[Lackey]

off topic... so I take it Corp, you didn't like Smallville today? ;)

[Dr.Fear]

You want to see the pissant little Robin that nobody liked take down Deathstroke, the baddest badass to ever engage in badassery? What is the world coming to? :(

meh his badassery is getting boring. time to get owned. byw do you think jason has some sort of enhancement? im really surprised this dude has lasted this long.

[Supergirl]

Oh the Psycho Pirate is a very creepy guy. And he was the only one to remember the multi verse from the last Crisis.
No he wasn't...

Lots of heroes remember the Crisis, but not the specifics. PP isn't even the only one to remember the specifics though.

Harbinger, Pariah and I think the Spectre all remembered everything (H and P for sure did). Donna Troy now remembers it (See Return of Donna Troy #4). It's safe to say, E2 Supes, E2 Lois, E3 Alex and EP Superboy all remember it ;)

[jaydawg]

Jason Todd did die though. Ollie met him in Heaven during Kevin Smith's Quiver run.

[TheCorpulent1]

off topic... so I take it Corp, you didn't like Smallville today? ;)
Not so much, no. It would've been really nice if the actor who played Aquaman didn't give such an excrutiatingly trite, surfer-dude performance. I couldn't stand his constantly saying "bro." I'm not much of a fan of Tom Welling's portrayal of Clark Kent either, but damn, I was wishing from the moment that "AC" (blurgh) opened his mouth that Clark would beat the living crap out of him. No such luck, though. I doubt I'll bother watching Smallville anymore until the season finale, when the next thing that actually progresses the status quo a tiny bit will occur. "Professor Milton Fine" was, however, quite cool. I'll admit that much.
meh his badassery is getting boring. time to get owned. byw do you think jason has some sort of enhancement? im really surprised this dude has lasted this long.
I'm not. Winick likes him. The same Winick who somehow thought it was believable for Batman and a half-crippled Nightwing to defeat Amazo. Clearly, the rules of logic hold no sway in his world.

[Bat-Mantis]

Jason Todd did die though. Ollie met him in Heaven during Kevin Smith's Quiver run.But it was a passing scene and it can be overlooked and thus wiped from continuity... sort of like that whole Max Lord Cyborg thing. I mean, we just got a visual reference of Jason swinging around in heaven, then Ollie mentions him, right? If it was an important event in Quiver, it would be different. DC can just say, "eh. Hypertime or something" and make like it didn't happen.

[TheCorpulent1]

Barry Allen also showed up in Heaven in Quiver and claimed no knowledge of "Wally's Speed Force." You can explain that with a bit of fan-wanking, I suppose, but it still seems like Kevin Smith just screwed up a little.

[Lackey]

Barry Allen also showed up in Heaven in Quiver and claimed no knowledge of "Wally's Speed Force." You can explain that with a bit of fan-wanking, I suppose, but it still seems like Kevin Smith just screwed up a little.

yeah it's really easy to explain it... there's no definitive version of Heaven in the DCU. This was Ollie's Heaven.

It should be pointed out that there's no definitive version of Heaven in the MU either... I'm sure the next time a writer decides to use Heaven in a Marvel story, Heaven and God won't look exactly like they did in Waid's FF.

[jaydawg]

Barry Allen also showed up in Heaven in Quiver and claimed no knowledge of "Wally's Speed Force." You can explain that with a bit of fan-wanking, I suppose, but it still seems like Kevin Smith just screwed up a little.
Oh yeah, totally forgot about that moment. I was going what the hell when he said that. The scene with Jason is he's swinging by and Husk Ollie says "Is that Robin?" and old Ollie (whose mind is in Husk Ollie's body) says "One of them." I suppose you could say hypertime, but still, it would be nice to for it to be mentioned.

[Dr.Fear]

Not so much, no. It would've been really nice if the actor who played Aquaman didn't give such an excrutiatingly trite, surfer-dude performance. I couldn't stand his constantly saying "bro." I'm not much of a fan of Tom Welling's portrayal of Clark Kent either, but damn, I was wishing from the moment that "AC" (blurgh) opened his mouth that Clark would beat the living crap out of him. No such luck, though. I doubt I'll bother watching Smallville anymore until the season finale, when the next thing that actually progresses the status quo a tiny bit will occur. "Professor Milton Fine" was, however, quite cool. I'll admit that much.

I'm not. Winick likes him. The same Winick who somehow thought it was believable for Batman and a half-crippled Nightwing to defeat Amazo. Clearly, the rules of logic hold no sway in his world.

there will never be a good action scene in smallville all it is clark shoving someone into a wall or something.

[jaydawg]

At least most episodes dont have guys aspiring to be Paul Walker in them.

[Dr.Fear]

At least most episodes dont have guys aspiring to be Paul Walker in them.

..........ok:confused:


i stopped watching the show after season 2 and on and off again until i didnt watch it completely. the show was just redundant. youll think with loeb writing some eps, the show would be more interesting. plus tom wellington never cut it as clark kent. i wish the show was more like the book that came out last year about a kid who really has superman's powers i forgot the title.

anywho back on topic.

[TheCorpulent1]

yeah it's really easy to explain it... there's no definitive version of Heaven in the DCU. This was Ollie's Heaven.
That doesn't explain why Barry didn't know anything about the Speed Force, though. He merged with the Speed Force when he died, like all speedsters do, and went back in time to throw out the lightning bolt that activated Wally's powers (or his own, I'm not exactly sure).

I just choose to think that Barry was messing with Ollie about the Speed Force. Why, I have no idea, but that's my explanation. And the Speed Force and Heaven somehow intersect, enabling Barry to both be a part of the Speed Force and walk around Ollie's Heaven.

[Lackey]

That doesn't explain why Barry didn't know anything about the Speed Force, though. He merged with the Speed Force when he died, like all speedsters do, and went back in time to throw out the lightning bolt that activated Wally's powers (or his own, I'm not exactly sure).

I just choose to think that Barry was messing with Ollie about the Speed Force. Why, I have no idea, but that's my explanation. And the Speed Force and Heaven somehow intersect, enabling Barry to both be a part of the Speed Force and walk around Ollie's Heaven.


sure it explains it... when you're dealing with the afterlife, there are so, so many variables. It might not have been Barry at all or it might have been only an aspect of Barry.

Just look at ICBINTJL when they went to "hell" and ran into Tora...were they really in hell? was that really Tora? were they really making hamburgers? :)

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know about Tora and Hell, but I have to believe they really were making hamburgers. My whole sense of reality falls apart if they weren't. :(

[Manwithoutpeer]

I have some infinite related q's if anyone can help:

Did the Rann/Thanagar mini involve 1 or more of the GL's to any extent?
Who is Polaris and who's Rogue is he?
What are Bizarro's powers and origin?
What is the short version how COIE made it possible that these alternate heros exist?

[Anubis]

Kyle Rayner and Kilowog were in it. The reteraformed Thanagar.

[Supergirl]

I have some infinite related q's if anyone can help:

Did the Rann/Thanagar mini involve 1 or more of the GL's to any extent?
Who is Polaris and who's Rogue is he?
What are Bizarro's powers and origin?
What is the short version how COIE made it possible that these alternate heros exist?
Polaris is a GL rogue first, but recently appeared in Supes.
Bizarro has basically all the powers of Supes with two exceptions, instead of heat vision he has ice vision, and instead of arctic breath he has fire breath. I don't know his origin though
And can you rephrase that last one? I don't know what you're trying to ask :confused:

[regwec]

Bizarro also has spotlight vision instead of X-ray vision.

[jim lee's bat]

anyone think that they'll switch back to pre crisis characters

personally I do just based on Mark Waids comments about theyll be getting rid of all the darkness in the Universe and that Batman's been a jerk in recent years and they were gonna fix that sounds like the Earth 2 folks might take over

[regwec]

Mark Waids comments about theyll be getting rid of all the darkness in the Universe
Waid has emphatically denied that he has ever said anything of the sort.

[jim lee's bat]

so it was just a rumor or he said and then denies it?

[Supergirl]

His statement was reworded and taken entirely out of context.

[jim lee's bat]

oh well there goes my theory

[Dr.Fear]

your theory could be some what correct, except the replacement part.

[Supergirl]

anyone think that they'll switch back to pre crisis characters

personally I do just based on Mark Waids comments about theyll be getting rid of all the darkness in the Universe and that Batman's been a jerk in recent years and they were gonna fix that sounds like the Earth 2 folks might take over
And even so, Earth 2 Batman wouldn't have been able to take over for E1 Batman, since he's been dead for a long ass time..

[Black Panther]

And even so, Earth 2 Batman wouldn't have been able to take over for E1 Batman, since he's been dead for a long ass time..

Exactly ;)

[jim lee's bat]

oh sorry I get somewhat confused by the multiple earths thing

[Dr.Fear]

what happened to earth 2 bats?

[Manwithoutpeer]

Polaris is a GL rogue first, but recently appeared in Supes.
Bizarro has basically all the powers of Supes with two exceptions, instead of heat vision he has ice vision, and instead of arctic breath he has fire breath. I don't know his origin though

Thanks for the help Supergirl (and Anubis)!

[The Black Mask]

i wonder what role power girl will take on in the crisis

[Sarge 2.0]

what happened to earth 2 bats?He was killed in COIE.

[jim lee's bat]

prbly has to do with the multiple earths and she is prbly earth 2 version of the kara (whos supergirl right now) also she might be the supergirl who died during the original crisis

[The Black Mask]

i think power girl is the supergirl who died in crisis on infinite earths.

[Supergirl]

i think power girl is the supergirl who died in crisis on infinite earths.
No. If anything she is the Power Girl who FOUGHT in COIE. Power Girl was the Earth 2 equivalent of Supergirl. Same person different personality, different universe.

[The Question]

He was killed in COIE.


Actually, he wasn't. He died several years before COIE.

[The Black Mask]

i am still confused about the COIE

[Sarge 2.0]

Actually, he wasn't. He died several years before COIE.Really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure he died with E2. Don't have to book in front of me right now, so I'm probably wrong.

[Scorpion]

Nah, he died fighting some evil demon guy, I think, and both of the two fell into this pit of fire while fighting. He was the original Huntress' father and Selina Kyle/Wayne was her mother.

[MaraJanesSlave]

He was killed in COIE.

he was dead long before COIE. Huntress, his daughter goes to visit his grave and can't find it. that's one way she knows the world has changed--- she shouldn't exist.

[yenaled]

Really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure he died with E2. Don't have to book in front of me right now, so I'm probably wrong.

He died in a JSA run in Adventure Comics in the 70s.

[Dr.Fear]

Actually, he wasn't. He died several years before COIE.

how?

[Dr.Fear]

Nah, he died fighting some evil demon guy, I think, and both of the two fell into this pit of fire while fighting. He was the original Huntress' father and Selina Kyle/Wayne was her mother.

so thats where the got the idea for that stupid ass show from.

[The Ether]

what show?

[Anubis]

The Birds of Prey show from a few years ago on the WB.

[TheCorpulent1]

That was a pretty lame show. The WB is obviously not willing to provide the budget for a true, all-out superhero show, so they should just leave well enough alone.

[Anubis]

Yeah, it wasn't a bad idea, just poorly put together. Crappy action. s**ty dialog. characters were all screwed up. The huntress was a freakin meta human for christ sakes and they gave the Canary freakin mental powers. I mean WTF man. They tried to make it like a Charmed/Smallville hybrid and it tanked.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I hated the fact that Canary was a lame, helpless teenager.

[The Ether]

I heard of that show. My friend said it was crap, well except for the first episode.
Wasn't there also a justice league show, but Green Lantern was dressed in blue?

[Anubis]

The best episode was when her mom showed up and was using the Canary Cry. But even that sucked because 1: She was played by Stamos' wife from Full House, and 2. The special effects were crap.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that was probably my favorite episode too. It was nice to see at least one kick-ass Black Canary. But her mom was a deadbeat, so that wasn't cool.

[The Ether]

I guess I'm glad I didn't see it :D:D:D:D

[Anubis]

Yeah, personally, I thought the concept was kinda nice. A future Gotham, the Silver age version of the Huntress with the daughter of the Canary and Oracle leading them. It could have worked if, Huntress didnt' have powers. There were more Cameos like from Nightwing, Green Arrow, Joker, and Batman. Everybody actually wore costumes instead of going shoping for Matrix ripoff clothing from the buy and save. GA being the father of this Black Canary. They should have gave her the Cry as well. And for Gods sake somebody with some talent wrote the scripts. And I also would have liked it if they opperated more like BOP does in the comics where they aren't just focused on Gotham but on all matter of double dealings and criminal activity throughout the world. That way we get cameos from tons more like Supes, Or Capn' Marv and the marvel Family. I mean, they own all the characters, why can't they use them like they do in the comics? I don't know. I can't understand the way things work in the T.V. and Movie industries anyway. With all these stupid filming rights and crap. The interwoven universe is what makes comics so great. Why can't that be done in movies or at least T.V.?

[The Ether]

Any show would be good if there was a really good writer for the show

[Anubis]

That might work for comics, but acting plays a large part as well.

[The Ether]

true, forgot about that :D

[TheCorpulent1]

I was hoping and praying for that Nightwing cameo that, sadly, never came. :( I did like how Batman was treated in the series, though, as an almost mythic figure whose day had come and gone but whose influence still permeated Gotham.

[Anubis]

Me too. I wonder who could have played him. This would have been the future, so he should be in his mid to late thirtys.

On a side note, we have totally hijacked this thread. Bah, it doesn't matter. How many times do you really need to be remined about how much IC #1 rocked? Lets complain about smallville on two threads and long canceld shows on the WB.

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, I noticed. I'm sure the thread'll get back on track by the time IC #2 comes out.

Anyway, Nightwing really needs to show up in some kind of medium outside of comics. I hate that he's getting shafted simply because he shares an identity with Robin on Teen Titans.

[The Ether]

yeah, lets save our IC conversations for #2.

Teen Titans are targeted for kids. And they don't know anything about Nightwing, they're still in the mentality of Dick Grayson being Robin.

[Anubis]

I definatly think he should have his own Cartoon at least. Get his name out there. The average person still thinks Grayson is Robin for Christ sakes.

[TheCorpulent1]

The best would be a similar situation to "The Obsidian Age" on Justice League Unlimited, if Batman had a contingency plan in place to bring together an effective team to deal with any situation on the level that'd take the original League out of the picture. Assemble all the others, then, before one of the act breaks, they're all wondering who the leader'll be and Nightwing walks in. I'd get up and cheer in my room for that, I think.

[The Ether]

True, this is the year of the Batman, if Nightwing gets a spin-off it will be interesting. maybe follow the first issues of Nightwing and then the writers and animators can follow how they want the series to go.

[The Ether]

The best would be a similar situation to "The Obsidian Age" on Justice League Unlimited, if Batman had a contingency plan in place to bring together an effective team to deal with any situation on the level that'd take the original League out of the picture. Assemble all the others, then, before one of the act breaks, they're all wondering who the leader'll be and Nightwing walks in. I'd get up and cheer in my room for that, I think.
That being the case, That will be Nightwings first appearance in JLU. have him be covered in the shadows watching the league either arguing with each other.and when he comes out you see his whole body and goes to comercial. Now That will be sick

[Anubis]

Hell yeah.

[The Ether]

I was wondering. is Batman's and Zatanna's relationship in the comics same as the cartoon? before the whole identity crisis stuff I mean.

[Anubis]

I don't think so. She's a lot younger than Bats. If he trained with Zatarra, (And it's possible considering all the people he has trained with.) She would have been a bit young for him.

[Sentry2005]

I heard of that show. My friend said it was crap, well except for the first episode.
Wasn't there also a justice league show, but Green Lantern was dressed in blue?

yeah, that sucked ass.

it was guy gardner (who is my fave green lantern), but he looked like hal jordan, and had kyle rayners job... and he was blue.... apart from that, he was perfect :rolleyes:

[The Ether]

I don't think so. She's a lot younger than Bats. If he trained with Zatarra, (And it's possible considering all the people he has trained with.) She would have been a bit young for him.Oh well, it would have been interesting, want to see something new, instead of the whole Batman/catwoman relationship.(although I do like Batman/Talia)

[Anubis]

I was kinda surprised they didn't do Bats/Talia in Batman Begins. Would have been far more interesting than the thing with Katie Holmes.

[The Ether]

true, but who would have played Talia? and probably Talia might play as the daughter looking for vengence for the death of her father but then realizes she has fallen in love with Batman. in the sequel i guess

[Dr.Fear]

i still think her character was pointless in the film. katie really didnt deserve to be in the film whatssoever.

[Dr.Fear]

true, but who would have played Talia? and probably Talia might play as the daughter looking for vengence for the death of her father but then realizes she has fallen in love with Batman. in the sequel i guess

inwouldve loved mica as thalia. and she couldve been in the first film easily. with alittle more rewriting. goyer script lacked very much.

[The Ether]

can't say the script was lacking, but yeah Katie Holmes was pretty much had a pointless role in the movie, except to be Bruce Wayne's love interest.

[Anubis]

And if Bruce is gonna have a love intrest, she could at least be an @$$ kicker.

[The Ether]

true, damsel's in distress are supes girls. Bats prefer the heisty ones i guess:)

[jaydawg]

The best would be a similar situation to "The Obsidian Age" on Justice League Unlimited, if Batman had a contingency plan in place to bring together an effective team to deal with any situation on the level that'd take the original League out of the picture. Assemble all the others, then, before one of the act breaks, they're all wondering who the leader'll be and Nightwing walks in. I'd get up and cheer in my room for that, I think.
Man, I've been saying that since JL was in season 1. It really doesnt make any sense. No one is using Nightwing. Its obvious they are never going to outright say Robin is Dick Grayson on TT and they are never going have Nightwing be in TB. Its so incredibly stupid, my head literally hurts. I mean I can understand why theres a limit on the Bat-rogues (although that really pisses me off too), but on a character thats not appearing on any of the four animated shows, movie franchises and live-action series? It doesnt get more retarded than that.

[Scorpion]

Actually the Teen Titans has said Robin is Dick Grayson,...it was just kinda hidden. When that Myxlpyk type character came that looked like an I don't know what, and had those magical powers, he told Robin he was him from another dimension. He started saying his various names and one was Dick Grayson, only backwords. The name Dick Grayson even was spelled across the screen.

[Supergirl]

Not to mention they had an episode with a glimpse of the future (on of the few episodes I've seen...) and Robin had become... Nightwing. So that right there says it's Dick

[Scorpion]

Yup.

[Scorpion]

Yikes, the website is posting my responses on the wrong thread,...sorry.

[drastic_quench]

You know, aside from the survivors of COIE that appeared at the end of #1, people have been speculating that other characters, like Jason Todd, might be from a destroyed universe as well. If the gates are open for bringing pre-crisis characters back...

I'd like to see Ibn al Xu'ffasch come back even if it was only for this Crisis.

[Bat-Mantis]

I read the Return of Barry Allen about a week ago and throughout the book it kept flashing back to Barry's death. It showed the aftermath of the big final confrontation where Barry gave his life, with a few heroes standing around a distraught Psycho Pirate. The heroes looked clueless as to what was going on, then Psycho Pirate tells them about Barry giving his life to save the universe.
So this had me thinking. I know the heroes don't know about the alternate earths, and I know most people think the heroes remember the battle, but only remember that they fought the Anti-Monitor to save the universe... but I was wondering... DO they remember the battle with the Anti-Monitor to save the universe? I don't know if this book conflicts with other continuity or if it's been elaborated upon later, but in Return of Barry Allen it seemed like the heroes didn't even know where they were and had to be filled in by Psycho Pirate.
So are they just going on what Psycho Pirate and other survivors tell them about the battle or is there some kind of showing in-continuity that they do remember the Crisis and not the Infinite Earths?
I'm sure this'll be answered in a few weeks by IC #2 but still. Just wondering.

[jaydawg]

Actually the Teen Titans has said Robin is Dick Grayson,...it was just kinda hidden. When that Myxlpyk type character came that looked like an I don't know what, and had those magical powers, he told Robin he was him from another dimension. He started saying his various names and one was Dick Grayson, only backwords. The name Dick Grayson even was spelled across the screen.
I know that, but they are never going to outright say Robin is Dick Grayson.

[That-Guy]

I read the Return of Barry Allen about a week ago and throughout the book it kept flashing back to Barry's death. It showed the aftermath of the big final confrontation where Barry gave his life, with a few heroes standing around a distraught Psycho Pirate. The heroes looked clueless as to what was going on, then Psycho Pirate tells them about Barry giving his life to save the universe.
So this had me thinking. I know the heroes don't know about the alternate earths, and I know most people think the heroes remember the battle, but only remember that they fought the Anti-Monitor to save the universe... but I was wondering... DO they remember the battle with the Anti-Monitor to save the universe? I don't know if this book conflicts with other continuity or if it's been elaborated upon later, but in Return of Barry Allen it seemed like the heroes didn't even know where they were and had to be filled in by Psycho Pirate.
So are they just going on what Psycho Pirate and other survivors tell them about the battle or is there some kind of showing in-continuity that they do remember the Crisis and not the Infinite Earths?
I'm sure this'll be answered in a few weeks by IC #2 but still. Just wondering.


They have to be aware of some type of Crisis, unless they are retconning Zero Hour, because in that story, after Hal Jordan destroys and rebuilds the universe, he start talking about the Crisis and the Anti-Monitor and everybody around him seems to know exactly what he's talking about. However, it is possible that they aren't aware that the Crisis had something to do with multiple earths... maybe they thought it was just about anti-matter chewing up the universe or something.

[KAD]

They have to be aware of some type of Crisis, unless they are retconning Zero Hour, because in that story, after Hal Jordan destroys and rebuilds the universe, he start talking about the Crisis and the Anti-Monitor and everybody around him seems to know exactly what he's talking about. However, it is possible that they aren't aware that the Crisis had something to do with multiple earths... maybe they thought it was just about anti-matter chewing up the universe or something.


As far as I know the genral public has no recollection of the crisis but the heroes do but they dont remember the multiverse.

Only Psycho Pirate knows and possibly Krona

[Sarge 2.0]

As far as I know the genral public has no recollection of the crisis but the heroes do but they dont remember the multiverse.

Only Psycho Pirate knows and possibly KronaThe Spectre does too. And I would expect that other cosmic level beings like the Wizard Shazam would remember the Crisis and the Multiverse. I'm only speculating, of course.

[Lackey]

Wake Me Up When The Crisis Ends

(to the tune of that Green Day song... you know the one)


The Kingdom has come and passed
Hypertime could never last
Wake me up when the Crisis ends

Like Zero Hour come to pass
Eleven years has gone so fast
Wake me up when the Crisis ends

Here comes the OMACs again
Falling from the stars
Who can we blame? Bruce Wayne?
He's a paranoid nutbar

As Sue Dibny is laid to rest
Ralph never forgets what he lost
Wake me up when the Crisis ends

Graduation Day has come and passed
Young Justice could never last
Wake me up when the Crisis ends

Is Superman dead again?
Who we kidding? He'll be back again
Wake me up when the Crisis ends

Here comes the Secret Six again
(Catman's not a joke? What the?)
The villains are united again
Situation FUBAR

Legends and icons have come and gone
Where the hell did it all go wrong?
Wake me up when the Crisis ends

Like entropy come to pass
Twenty years has gone so fast
Wake me up when the Crisis ends
Wake me up when the Crisis ends
Wake me up when the Crisis ends

(stolen from here (http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/985091.html#cutid1))

[The Ether]

^^^^nice

[KAD]

The Spectre does too. And I would expect that other cosmic level beings like the Wizard Shazam would remember the Crisis and the Multiverse. I'm only speculating, of course.


That may have become true over time,

but the initial statement was that only Psycho Pirate, Harbinger and Pariah knew of the multiverse.

Now that we no Supes of Earth 2 is alive as well as Alex superboy and lois we can say 7 now know.

I only mentioned Kronus because he seems to be outside the loop. Beyond that i'd say he is a bit beyond cosmic if such a thing is possible.

[jaydawg]

God I hate Green Day. I used to love them, but I really think they should just change their name to "Whining little Kerry supporting *****es."

[TheCorpulent1]

I hate that song. Otherwise, I don't really care much about Green Day one way or another. I've been indifferent to them since Nimrod.

[Emerald Knight]

That may have become true over time,

but the initial statement was that only Psycho Pirate, Harbinger and Pariah knew of the multiverse.

Now that we no Supes of Earth 2 is alive as well as Alex superboy and lois we can say 7 now know.

I only mentioned Kronus because he seems to be outside the loop. Beyond that i'd say he is a bit beyond cosmic if such a thing is possible.

...what about Lady Quark? Why would the society go to the trouble to get her?

[KAD]

...what about Lady Quark? Why would the society go to the trouble to get her?

She is the last survivor of her earth so I imagine thats why.

As far as I know she had forgotten about the multiverse as well

[That-Guy]

First off, Lackey, you're a genius. I like that Green Day song quite a bit, but whether you like Green Day or not, you did an awesome job of converting those lyrics to make a kickass Crisis song.

Second... okay, so the general idea is that the heroes remember the Crisis, but they don't remember what it was about? I mean, since they don't know about the multiverse, then I guess they just think this Anti-Monitor dude randomly pulled Earth into the anti-matter universe because he was trying to destroy the matter universe, but they don't remember fighting him alongside heroes from other worlds (Earth 2 Superman, etc.) and they can't recall anything that happened before that last battle? Strange. I mean, in the final issue of Crisis, they all knew exactly what was going on, while everyone else on Earth didn't. So, I guess after that, they all gradually forgot? I'm not sure. The last page had Psycho Pirate ranting about how he was the only one who remembered the multiverse, but they all seemed to remember it a few pages prior. When the heroes left the anti-matter universe, were their memories wiped?

[KAD]

First off, Lackey, you're a genius. I like that Green Day song quite a bit, but whether you like Green Day or not, you did an awesome job of converting those lyrics to make a kickass Crisis song.

Second... okay, so the general idea is that the heroes remember the Crisis, but they don't remember what it was about? I mean, since they don't know about the multiverse, then I guess they just think this Anti-Monitor dude randomly pulled Earth into the anti-matter universe because he was trying to destroy the matter universe, but they don't remember fighting him alongside heroes from other worlds (Earth 2 Superman, etc.) and they can't recall anything that happened before that last battle? Strange. I mean, in the final issue of Crisis, they all knew exactly what was going on, while everyone else on Earth didn't. So, I guess after that, they all gradually forgot? I'm not sure. The last page had Psycho Pirate ranting about how he was the only one who remembered the multiverse, but they all seemed to remember it a few pages prior. When the heroes left the anti-matter universe, were their memories wiped?


Well harbinger retold the stories of the multiverse in the History of the DC Universe.

[TheCorpulent1]

That was a good trade, especially since I read it directly after the Crisis of Infinite Crisis.

[Lackey]

Perez's cover for Infinite Crisis #2


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INFCR_Cv2_GP.jpg

[UK_Stu]

oh wow! This cover is getting me so excited!!!!

[yenaled]

Now, that is fantastic.

God dammit, I love Perez.

He knocks Lee out of the pack, him with his - 70 year old Lois Lane showing some leg - cover.

[Lackey]

I've been staring at that cover for a few minutes now... there's so much to it.

Once again, I'll be getting Perez's cover.

[OtepApe]

I gotta say, that cover is amazing, literally amazing.

There's so much to it, you could stare at it for quite a while. Simply a beautiful cover.

[Supergirl]

Dear Sweet GOD Thats beautiful. That right there is why Perez has been my favorite artist for years.

[yenaled]

This is nice...

From left to right.

First Row:

Qward, Uncle Sam, Captain Atom, "Hook" Aquaman, Psycho Pirate, Earth-3 Lex Luthor's HQ, Arion, OMAC Cyborg, (can't see), Oa.

Second Row:

Pariah, Ralph and Sue Digby, Earth-2 Kal-L's ship, Harbinger and the Monitor, Deathstroke, Red Skies, Anti-Matter wave and a planet, The Death of Earth-1 Supergirl, Flash of Two Worlds (First Earth-1/2 crossover), A Death in the Family, The Anti Monitor, J'onn J'onzz.

Third Row:

First JLA/JSA crossover, Power Girl with Wildfire, Earth-1 Kal-El's Ship, Earth-3's Johnny Quick, Human Bomb with Damage, Doctor Light I, Superman's "birthing matrix" (from Byrne's Man of Steel), Nightwing.

Fourth Row:

Captain Marvel, Barry Allen's death, Death of Ted Kord, Donna Troy, Death of Superman, Guy Gardner.

Fifth Row:

"Blue Eyed" Lex Luthor, Krona's hand at the dawn of time, Darkseid, Parallax (looking oddly like Kyle actually), Earth-1 Superman, Lois Lane, Earth-3 Alexander Luthor and Earth-Prime Superboy entering limbo, Connor Superboy.

Sixth Row:

Lady Quark, Phantom Stranger, Artemis as Wonder Woman, Knightfall, Brother-I Satellite, Gentleman Ghost, Wonder Woman killing Max Lord.

Stolen from Newsarama, but I felt we needed it too.

[KAD]

This is nice...

From left to right.

First Row:

Qward, Uncle Sam, Captain Atom, "Hook" Aquaman, Psycho Pirate, Earth-3 Lex Luthor's HQ, Arion, OMAC Cyborg, (can't see), Oa.

Second Row:

Pariah, Ralph and Sue Digby, Earth-2 Kal-L's ship, Harbinger and the Monitor, Deathstroke, Red Skies, Anti-Matter wave and a planet, The Death of Earth-1 Supergirl, Flash of Two Worlds (First Earth-1/2 crossover), A Death in the Family, The Anti Monitor, J'onn J'onzz.

Third Row:

First JLA/JSA crossover, Power Girl with Wildfire, Earth-1 Kal-El's Ship, Earth-3's Johnny Quick, Human Bomb with Damage, Doctor Light I, Superman's "birthing matrix" (from Byrne's Man of Steel), Nightwing.

Fourth Row:

Captain Marvel, Barry Allen's death, Death of Ted Kord, Donna Troy, Death of Superman, Guy Gardner.

Fifth Row:

"Blue Eyed" Lex Luthor, Krona's hand at the dawn of time, Darkseid, Parallax (looking oddly like Kyle actually), Earth-1 Superman, Lois Lane, Earth-3 Alexander Luthor and Earth-Prime Superboy entering limbo, Connor Superboy.

Sixth Row:

Lady Quark, Phantom Stranger, Artemis as Wonder Woman, Knightfall, Brother-I Satellite, Gentleman Ghost, Wonder Woman killing Max Lord.

Stolen from Newsarama, but I felt we needed it too.


Correction that is the AntiMonitors hand at the dawn of time

[lceman]

How is Knightfall in there? I thought they ignore that story line like it never happened?

[Supergirl]

Where have they ignored Knightfall? :confused:

[Lackey]

How is Knightfall in there? I thought they ignore that story line like it never happened?


considering that Bane has shown up a few times since, I don't see how anyone could consider the story ignored.

[Pksoze]

That cover just became my wallpaper.

[Sarge 2.0]

Yeah, looks like I won't be buying any of Lee's IC covers if Perez keeps kicking ass like this. :up:

What am I saying? Since when has he not kicked ass?

[lceman]

I guess I was mistaken. I don't know why i thought that they were ignoring the Knightfall arch but for some reason I did. Well anyway at least now I know that it's not being ignored now.

[Supergirl]

Yeah, looks like I won't be buying any of Lee's IC covers if Perez keeps kicking ass like this. :up:

What am I saying? Since when has he not kicked ass?
Since the 12th of Never :up: I knew when it was announced that I would not be picking up any of Jim's. As good as he is he ain't no Perez. :o

[J.R.]

That is truly a kick ass cover.

[KAD]

My store put both in my box and when I said I dint want both they handed me the Lee cover, I was like no way and switched them quick

[drastic_quench]

My store put both in my box and when I said I dint want both they handed me the Lee cover, I was like no way and switched them quick

Lucky. My store seems to randomly choose which cover you get. I didn't really go nuts over either #1 cover though, so no big deal. I'll probably end up with mix of covers by the end.

Lee's Power Girl though... *makes chomping motion*

[The Watchman]

Since the 12th of Never :up: I knew when it was announced that I would not be picking up any of Jim's. As good as he is he ain't no Perez. :o
word, I'm going all Perez too. :up:

[Anubis]

The best thing about buying online is that you can subscribe to either the Lee or Perez covers so you'll get it thoughout the whole event. So, Perez all the way for me. :up:

[The Ether]

I'm goin to take Perez as well. What I like about Perez's work is how symmetrical his art is. It's always balanced so your eyes see the main parts of the artwork. Some artist nowadays don't do that. They would go by perspective and make the art work dynamic. Lee is a great artist, but his work doesn't make an impact as Perez. Most of Lee's work has the character posing and such with very little emotion.

[Franklin Richards]

Have we seen the Lee cover? Could someone post it?


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[King_Mungi]

Infinite Crisis #2 (Jim Lee)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/IC2ActualCover.jpg

Infinite Crisis #3 (George Perez)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/InfinteCrisisCv3Perez.jpg

Infinite Crisis #4 (George Perez)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Infinite_Crisis_Cv4.jpg

[Supergirl]

Lucky. My store seems to randomly choose which cover you get. I didn't really go nuts over either #1 cover though, so no big deal. I'll probably end up with mix of covers by the end.

Lee's Power Girl though... *makes chomping motion*
I specifically put on my pull list: Infinite Crisis (Perez covers) and all Tie Ins.

word, I'm going all Perez too. :up:

I spose I can love ya again :p

[That-Guy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/IC2ActualCover.jpg


Anyone else happy to see that Alex Luthor gave up his permed mullet?

[raybia]

It was the Earth 2 Superman, and not the Superboy from LOSH, it was Superboy from Earth Prime. The lady was Lois Lane from E2 and the red head was Alex Luthor from E3. You should read COIE and you'd know their story ;)

I'm assuming that while the COIE ended over 20 years ago, for the survivors of COIE it may have only been a year or 2 since it happens.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's definitely been fewer than 20 years, at least. The Flash hasn't aged all that much, for one thing.

[Amazing Afroman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/IC2ActualCover.jpg


Anyone else happy to see that Alex Luthor gave up his permed mullet?

I sure as hell am!
http://supermanjaviolivares.iespana.es/CRISISALEX.jpg
LOL!

But at the same time Lee also got Earth 2 Superman's Symbol wrong so there's no telling.:rolleyes:

[drastic_quench]

But at the same time Lee also got Earth 2 Superman's Symbol wrong so there's no telling.:rolleyes:

Picture?

[The Watchman]

http://theages.superman.ws/History/EarthTwo/intro.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/jfirehammer/summer%202005/earth2superman.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Earth-2 Superman's symbol kind of sucks.

[J.R.]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/IC2ActualCover.jpg


Anyone else happy to see that Alex Luthor gave up his permed mullet?


Nice.

[LinternaVerde]

I was thinking. He is the greatest detective on earth. He knows he was mindwiped. And he has not an idea about multiverse and crisis on infinite earths????

[Scorpion]

Perez's cover for Infinite Crisis #2


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INFCR_Cv2_GP.jpg

This is why George Perez's art is EPIC and Jim Lee's is not.

[Bat-Mantis]

Earth-2 Superman's symbol kind of sucks.It looks upside down or something. It's odd.I was thinking. He is the greatest detective on earth. He knows he was mindwiped. And he has not an idea about multiverse and crisis on infinite earths????Really, though... do you think the greatest detective to ever live would be like, "Eureka! There are actually parallel earths with different versions of all of us! There's an earth with a Batman who's 400lbs and lives in a trailer... look, this residue left at a murder scene proves it!"
I don’t see Batman as the type who’d deduce that Power Girl is actually a leftover from a parallel dimension that was destroyed when time and space were re-written or anything… so no, I don’t think Batman would have figured out the multiverse. He may have thought up the possibility or heard about the theory of alternate timelines on tv or something, but I don’t see any evidence that would lead Batman to conclude they were survivors of a Crisis on Infinite Earths and if there were tons of evidence lying around, I still think Bats would try to think of something more… logical or grounded in reality to explain it.

[SpideyInATree]

That George Perez cover for issue # 2 is damn good. Lee's art is awesome in it's own right but Perez has more substance to his covers. Though it seems like they are making them that way on purpose. Lee is doing more posing on his covers as Perez has more of an epic big event feel.

I'll definitely be getting Perez's version of the covers. :up:

[Supergirl]

That George Perez cover for issue # 2 is damn good. Lee's art is awesome in it's own right but Perez has more substance to his covers. Though it seems like they are making them that way on purpose. Lee is doing more posing on his covers as Perez has more of an epic big event feel.

I'll definitely be getting Perez's version of the covers. :up:
Uh, thats just the styles of those artists in general. Lee's always been a great pin-up/pose artist, and noone can do epic as good as Perez.

[chris moore]

So - without me having to wade through 28 pages of this thing which has posts from mostly DC fans. Can anyone give me a real quick run down as to the point of the Infinite Crisis? I read the countdown thing where blue beetle died, and I read an issue of JSA unclassified where those future kids tried to convince powergirl she was someone else. But what I dont know is what the overall idea is, what the goals are (read something about returning the Earth 2 Supes, but then what happens to the one who's already in this world?), or if there is one main bad guy, or just a collective bunch of stories whereby the good guys are having a hard time all around the world?

Just a quick explanation please - dont wanna take up actual fan's time too much!

[Supergirl]

The one sentence to describe the goal of Infinite Crisis: To show what it truly means to be a hero, under dire conditions.

[SpideyInATree]

Did anybody post anything about the Blue Beetle's Scarab in this thread yet? :confused:

I haven't seen anything about it and just read about it in the newest Wizard. According to Geoff Johns the Blue Beetle Scarab is going to play a role in Infinite Crisis and during the miniseries a lot of things are going to be explained about it. Sounds like a there may be a new Blue Beetle after the Crisis. :o

[Bat-Mantis]

Yeah, it was in the Rock of Eternity when it blew up. It, along with many, many other magic artifacts were scattered around the globe. I think it landed in New Mexico.

[SpideyInATree]

Johns said it landed somewhere in El Paso, Texas. :o

[Bat-Mantis]

Yeah. That's right. It's why I said, "I think"... because I wasn't sure.

[JewishHobbit]

Okay, I kinda read about half of the mini's leading into Crisis,.. and stopped when it just got too expensive. I'd like to get the trades,.. specifically of Omac,.. but I noticed that it is missing some stuff I thought was important. It has Countdown, Omac 1-6, and only the last part of Sacrefice. If it only has that wonder woman issue,.. is there information missing that was in the three superman comics? Can we read Omac 3 or 4 (whichever one it was) then read Sacrefice part 4, then go to the next issue of Omac,,.. and it flow smoothly without the Superman issues of Sacrefice?

[Anubis]

No, to tell you the truth, the whole four issue crossover wasn't neccesary. The majority of the stuff that happened pretty much got summed up in the last issue before the fight. So, no. You wont be missing anything.

[JewishHobbit]

Cool,.. I hate missing parts of a story,... the same reason I can't watch a movie if it is any further than 5 minutes into it.

[Anubis]

Well, if you really want them, they shouldn't be hard to find. Seeing as DC just reprinted the s**t out of them. But I felt that the last two issues was all they needed. So if you wanna get Adventures of Superman #642, it couldn't hurt, but it's not really all that neccesary.

[Shawkur]

I think I read that Sacrifice was going to be included in the Day of Vengence tpb or one of the others. Anyone heard when the Crisis of Conscience tpb was coming out?

[Bat-Mantis]

Why in the world would Sacrifice be included in anything besides OMAC?

[yenaled]

sacrifice tpb (http://www.dc-comics.com/comics/?cm=4696)

jla: crisis of confidence tpb (http://www.dc-comics.com/comics/?cm=4717)

[Sarge 2.0]

sacrifice tpb (http://www.dc-comics.com/comics/?cm=4696)

jla: crisis of confidence tpb (http://www.dc-comics.com/comics/?cm=4717)
January?

:(:down

[yenaled]

DC always take a long time on their trades, that is actually quick for DC.

[Sarge 2.0]

The Crisis tie-in mini trades came out pretty damn quick.

[TheCorpulent1]

That Crisis of Conscience cover looks fantastic. :up:

[Sabretooth]

Alright,since my comic store is gonna be down for a while,and since I'm too lazy to read over the 20 pages of this thread,can someone tell me what's happening so far?

[DarkKnightJRK]

Alright,since my comic store is gonna be down for a while,and since I'm too lazy to read over the 20 pages of this thread,can someone tell me what's happening so far?

Basically, the Trinity broke up, the Freedom Fighters became cannon fodder, and the original survivors of the Crisis of Infinate Earths: Earth-2 Superman, Earth-2 Lois Lane, Earth-Prime Superboy, and Earth-3 Alex Luthor, broke out of their demension to show the superheroes how to "kick it old school," (my words, not theirs, by the way) essentially.

[batnkevlar]

When you say Earth-2, you mean ORIGINAL Earth-2, or Earth-2 as in Ultraman, Superwoman, etc.?

[DarkKnightJRK]

When you say Earth-2, you mean ORIGINAL Earth-2, or Earth-2 as in Ultraman, Superwoman, etc.?

The original, Golden Age, Old-School Earth-2.

[yenaled]

When you say Earth-2, you mean ORIGINAL Earth-2, or Earth-2 as in Ultraman, Superwoman, etc.?

That's Earth-1, the normal universe is Earth-2. In post-crisis.

[DarkKnightJRK]

That's Earth-1, the normal universe is Earth-2. In post-crisis.

...You're going to have to go further into detail on that one. :|

[Anubis]

When the world with the CSA's Luthor came to the regular Earth, he named the regular DCU, Earth 2. So, the Crime Syndicate Earth is Earth 1 and the regular DCU Earth is Earth 2.

[Sabretooth]

Basically, the Trinity broke up, the Freedom Fighters became cannon fodder, and the original survivors of the Crisis of Infinate Earths: Earth-2 Superman, Earth-2 Lois Lane, Earth-Prime Superboy, and Earth-3 Alex Luthor, broke out of their demension to show the superheroes how to "kick it old school," (my words, not theirs, by the way) essentially.
I also heard something about the Society offering their services to Black Mask,is this true?

[jim lee's bat]

howd donna troy come back and what is she up to?

[TheCorpulent1]

The Titans of myth brought her to New Cronus after she "died" and brainwashed her. With the help of the Teen Titans and the Outsiders, she regained her proper memories and foiled the mythical Titans' plans to ditch the main DC reality before the Infinite Crisis. After that, she found the orb Harbinger had used to record the pre- and post-Crisis histories of the universe, so now she knows about the pre-Crisis stuff. She's currently assembling a team to go into space and do something; she hasn't revealed what yet. She recently tried to recruit Wonder Woman for it, but Diana was busy being incarcerated for Max Lord's murder and all.

[DarkKnightJRK]

I also heard something about the Society offering their services to Black Mask,is this true?

I believe that happened in the Batman book, not the Infinate Crisis book.

[Sarge 2.0]

She's currently assembling a team to go into space and do something; And you just know that every single one of them is gonna get killed. That was my immedeate reaction to the whole idea; "Yeah, they're all gonna die. It doesn't matter what they set out to do....they're gonna die."

[Anubis]

Well, a good portion of them will die, not all.

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt Donna herself will die, given that she was just resurrected. I doubt Supergirl will die either, given that she seems to be DC's new golden child.

[Anubis]

The rest of dem motha f**kas is as good as dead.

[Sarge 2.0]

I doubt Donna herself will die, given that she was just resurrected. I doubt Supergirl will die either, given that she seems to be DC's new golden child.More like DC's new royal *****. :o

[JewishHobbit]

Who else is going with her?

[TheCorpulent1]

The rest of dem motha f**kas is as good as dead.
I could definitely see Jason getting knocked off to make room for Ronnie's return.

[Anubis]

I was just starting to like Jason. :(

[BrianWilly]

Isn't Hal Jordan amongst those that Donna recruited for her space mission? He just came back, I don't think he's going to die either.

Now that I think about it, a lot of the members of Team Donna seems to be consisted of people who have either been resurrected or "reintroduced" recently. That's either a big fat plot point or me hella overthinking this.

[Anubis]

It's possible. Anybody got a list of who all is going with Donna? I know it's Her, SUpergirl, Firestorm, Starfire, apparently Hal, and who else?

[TheCorpulent1]

When did Hal become involved? I haven't heard or seen anything that indicates he's going with her.

[BrianWilly]

JSA #77 (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4160)
Written by Geoff Johns; Art by Don Kramer and Keith Champagne; Cover by Alex Ross

Alan Scott pays a visit to Hal Jordan as Hal prepares to leave Earth with Donna Troy. But Alan has one last favor to ask Hal, and it will be one of the hardest things a Green Lantern has ever tried to accomplish!

DC Universe | 32pg. | Color | $2.50 US

On Sale September 14, 2005

I never read the issue myself, so I guess it might not have gone down. But I thought it did.

[The Watchman]

I'd actually like to get that...

[Sarge 2.0]

Time to go back issue hunting.

[Anubis]

That happened in JSA? You sure? Cuz I sure as hell don't remember it.

[BrianWilly]

Well, like I said I never read the issue. But I'm pretty sure Hal did show up in JSA recently; didn't people throw a fit about Hal beating an impossibly tough opponent in JSA by way of dropping a truck on him? Or did I just dream that?

[TheCorpulent1]

Hal did show up. I don't think HE was supposed to go with Donna Troy, though. Airwave, Hal's cousin, was going crazy from all of the stuff happening in space. He was actually picking up all of the chatter from the Rann/Thanagar War in his head. Alan called Hal when the JSA happened upon Airwave to see if Hal, because of his relation to Airwave, could get through to him. Hal said they were never close, but somehow they ended up helping Airwave back to normal. Airwave then went off with Donna Troy, if I recall correctly, which may easily not be the case. That issue wasn't very memorable in general...

Edit: All right, I just looked over the issue again. Airwave goes to the JSA brownstone because he's going crazy from all of the Rann/Thanagar War chatter, Alan calls in Hal, and the JSA and Hal all get to the bottom of it. The issue concludes with Donna asking Airwave to go with her because he can track whatever she's supposed to be looking for to its source. Alan decides to go with Airwave to look out for him given that he was just bonkers. He gives Hal a pep talk about letting family back into your life and they head off.

Oh, and the villain Hal handled way too easily was General Eiling, the guy who took over the Shaggy Man's body, which is easily stronger and more durable than Superman's and can regenerate from virtually anything.

[yenaled]

I'm pretty sure it is Airwave and Alan who is going.

[TheCorpulent1]

Which kind of sucks for the JSA, given that the next issue features the start of their search for Dr. Fate. Given that Fate was already taking time off from the team, Alan was pretty much their only magic powerhouse.

[BrianWilly]

Ah, okay, so it's Alan instead of Hal. That makes sense considering that Alan's on the cover of IC4 and Hal isn't.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey, that's true. Isn't IC #4's cover the one where Donna's team is giving the "O" face while the universe is swallowed up by that hole in space or something? That should tell you who's on Donna's team pretty well.

[jaydawg]

I was wondering why Hal was the sole GL not on that cover.

[goldmill]

So, Hal beat Eiling who is still the Shaggy Man with just a truck? That is extremely lame.

BTW, I thought he was transported to some distant meteor. How did he get off?

[GapguyAL]

So can someone explain to me about all the different "Supergirls"? I know one died in the original Crisis, one is now Power Girl or something, one is a walking ectoplasmic thing, one is an angel/demon named Linda Danvers, and one is now the new blonde who came from space. Im confused....

[Benstamania]

Wow, are you guys on book 2 already? Sucks that I have to get my comics at Walden books. I JUST got book 1 today, rocks pretty hard.

[Anubis]

The one that died in the Crisis is the original Supergirl. Powergirl has been around for years. She was the Pre Crisis Earth 2 Superman's Cousin. She was basically his Supergirl, only she was named Powergirl. The second, I believe was the angel chick. Don't know much about her, but she wasn't really all that conected to Superman. I'm sure somebody else will come in and answer, she seems to have a lot of fans on this site. Then you got the current Supergirl, who is the Post Crisis Supergirl. She is basically the same as the Supergirl from before the Crisis (Although her personality has been updated to the current times. I guess they mean that the chicks of today are all moody b***hs or something. ) only she's just now appearing here in the post Crisis DCU.

Confusing as hell huh? Best not to think about it too much.

[The Joker™]

Anubis the slashing effect for the intro of your name in your avatar is awsome.

[Anubis]

Thanks. Powderman hooked me up in the Avvy thread.

[BrianWilly]

re: "angel chick" Supergirl, she was actually two people. Literally. First, there was Matrix, who was basically an extradimensional protoplasm who Superman saved and then brought to live with his parents, becoming his adopted cousin of sorts; her origin is really far too complicated to fully describe although this page gives a good effort (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/who/who-intro.php?topic=supergirl). She appeared sporadically throughout the late 80s/early 90s as "the" Supergirl.

In 1996 during Peter David's Supergirl series, Matrix literally merged her maleable protoplasmic body with a dying Linda Danvers to save her life (http://supergirl.astraldream.net/history3.html), becoming a whole new person, a mix of both Matrix and Linda but not completely one or the other. Linda was a troubled girl who had fallen in with the bad crowd, turning away from her family and her faith, and in saving her life/soul by merging two people into one Matrix inadvertantly turned herself and Linda into an earth-born angel, one-third of the Schechina, the female aspect of God, with mystical flame vision and the ability to sprout wings of fire from her back as a weapon and to teleport. If it sounds horribly complicated, it is...but it's also incredibly well-written, par for the course when you're talking about a Peter David series.

[JewishHobbit]

Man,.. all this confusing Crisis talk and differant Earths and 20 differant Supergirls, and 10 superman's and.... this is part of the reason it took so long for me to even give DC a shot,.. I was so confused.

[Anubis]

Eh, it's not all that confusing. Just hard to explain. Did you read the Crisis on Infinate Earths yet? After about the fourth reading you'll start to understand everything.

[JewishHobbit]

heh,.. I don't have enough care in the DC universe to give it a shot. I haven't read a DC thing I liked until Identity Crisis.. then Green Lantern Rebirth. Other than those, I haven't really gotten into anything. Outsiders are pretty good, but it's pretty simple.

[Anubis]

Did you check out any of the minis? Villians United was great. Wonder Woman has been good ever scince Rucka took over back at issue 197. Most of the run collected in trades. As is Johns' run on Flash.