The Infinite Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[stillanerd]

if someone is gonna conjure so much BS, then they really should get to know comics better....the lazarus pit doesnt restore life to dead people, it cant, it cannot bring back life to those who are dead. it can only rejuvinate the dying. so it'd be impossible that bruce could be dead for a year, become the spectre, then be brought back to life via lazarus pit.

You're right with regards to how the Lazarus Pit originally functioned (I double checked just to make sure). However, various writers have given it properties that seem contradictory. In the "Tower of Babel" for instance, Ra's offers Batman the chance of bringing back by entertaining the possibility of Bruce's parents using a Lazarus Pit. Then according to Who's Who, only Ra's is capable of using the Lazarus Pits but to everyone else its fatal, yet we now have stories of it being used by the Joker, the Riddler, and Nyssa. Then we had the recent Ra's Al Ghul: Year One mini in which Ra's was apparently bringing his dead assassins back to life using a Lazarus Pit.

Now I'm one of those who thinks Batman becoming the Spectre would be jumping the shark (if he hadn't already with Jason Todd coming back from the dead). All I was saying that if Batman does die, it leaves open the possibility that others have speculated that he becomes the Spectre temporarily and certainly, I hope, not during the entire run of 52. If anything, the Spectre could turn out to be Cripus Allen, or the most likely candidate Jim Corrigan. But if Batman does die, then I can see a storyline where Talia attempts to revive her beloved using a Lazarus Pit, suceeds, but Bruce escapes, and you have Batman (Dick Grayson) and Robin searching the world over to try and find him...all which would take place during 52 and would be possible without having Batman ever becoming the Spectre. And remember, I was basing this theory of of what I saw on somebody elses post. He could very well be full of it, but I chose to be open to the possibility and ran with it. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

[regwec]

I'm not a fan of characters temporarily dying. It alters everything about them forver. The character will either warp completely under the sheer wight of back-story, as with Jason Todd; or they will become a two-dimensional husk of a character when writers have to try so hard to ignore the event, as with Hal Jordan.

[GoldenAgeHero]

what about the possiblities of catwoman becoming the new batwoman

[Anubis]

She's gonna have a baby.

[Anubis]

Well with that rational, most of the GPD can become superheroes.:confused:

Heh, Harvey Bullock.....Batwoman.

[Nightwing]

what about the possiblities of catwoman becoming the new batwoman

Where have you been? Selina is having a baby with Bruce Wayne rumored to be the father(dont be surprised if he is),and getting replaced with a blonde woman who everyone suspects to be Holly.

[GoldenAgeHero]

She's gonna have a baby.


so?

[Anubis]

So pregnant chicks dont' do double flips off buildings.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Where have you been? Selina is having a baby with Bruce Wayne rumored to be the father(dont be surprised if he is),and getting replaced with a blonde woman who everyone suspects to be Holly.


sooooooooooooo?

[GoldenAgeHero]

So pregnant chicks dont' do double flips off buildings.

arent we tlaking about one year later batwoman, if so selina would have given birth by that time and be back on her fet to be batwoman.

[Anubis]

Not likely, seeing as Batwoman makes her first apperance during OYL. Agian, kinda hard to fight crime with swollen ankles and a baby kicking you in the uterus.

[Nightwing]

sooooooooooooo?

Anubis answered you.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Not likely, seeing as Batwoman makes her first apperance during OYL. Agian, kinda hard to fight crime with swollen ankles and a baby kicking you in the uterus.

i think it is likely 52 begins in march, so one year later should start next march, which leaves selina 3 months to get back in shape and be a possible batwoman.

[Anubis]

Neglecting her newborn so she can run around in a leather outfit and fight crime? Catwoman aint no saint, but she's gotta more sense than that. Fact is, there will be a new Catwoman. And Selina will be busy with the kid. If you wanna believe that she will be the new Batwoman, go right ahead. But I'm gonna have to say Not bloody likely.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Neglecting her newborn so she can run around in a leather outfit and fight crime? Catwoman aint no saint, but she's gotta more sense than that. Fact is, there will be a new Catwoman. And Selina will be busy with the kid. If you wanna believe that she will be the new Batwoman, go right ahead. But I'm gonna have to say Not bloody likely.


apparently you dont live in the real world, where mothers balance both thier jobs and children, hell like at female cops with children and im sure alfred will be around to babysit. and correct me if im wrong but does'nt invisible woman have a daughter and a son and she still finds time to kick butt? yes she does. i dont believe it will happen but its a possibility.

[TheCorpulent1]

Invisible Woman's almost lost her kid because of her superheroing in the past. Anyway, you apparently missed the part where Anubis mentioned that Batwoman debuts in 52. As in, she'll be swinging around while Catwoman's preggers.

[Fantastic Fan22]

Invisible Woman's almost lost her kid because of her superheroing in the past. Anyway, you apparently missed the part where Anubis mentioned that Batwoman debuts in 52. As in, she'll be swinging around while Catwoman's preggers.


Acutally Anubis said batwoman makes her first appearance during OYL, i dont know if that was a typo but that is what was said

[Darth Wolverine]

During OYL? 52 is the main focus of OYL...there's no actual series coming out that's gonna be called OYL or One Year Later. That's what 52 is.

[Anubis]

Okay then during 52. WHich is about what happens during the missing year.

[GoldenAgeHero]

During OYL? 52 is the main focus of OYL...there's no actual series coming out that's gonna be called OYL or One Year Later. That's what 52 is.

i thought 52 is suppose to be "that missing year", that the ongoings afterwards will be regarded as one year later........?

edit:nvm anubis said it.

[Anubis]

Yeah, 52 is the missing year. Batwoman appears during 52. And Catwoman would be pregnant during the whole thing. Or at least nine months of it.

[Darth Wolverine]

Yup. Although it will explain what happened to almost every character in the DCU, it will focus on 6 main characters:

*Booster Gold
*The Question
*Elongated Man
*Black Adam
*Renee Montoya
*Steel

[Anubis]

And one of them will die by the end.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Yup. Although it will explain what happened to almost every character in the DCU, it will focus on 6 main characters:

*Booster Gold
*The Question
*Elongated Man
*Black Adam
*Renee Montoya
*Steel




hmm doyou think theyll kill off a character of more importance?

[Darth Wolverine]

There's a rumour that Lex Luthor is gonna be a main player, as well. I'm betting that The Question will be the one to die. He and Montoya pursue a mystery throughout the series; perhaps the finale kills him. Besides, he's suspiciously absent from any other solicits...if he remained in Gotham, then he would definitely be in a Batman title...I think...

[Anubis]

I doubt it. Not while his popularities rising due to JLU.

[stillanerd]

I'm suspecting that one of the six main players that will bite it will either be Elongated Man or Steel. I'm sort of leaning towards the later based on the March Superman solit where Metropolis says "farewell to a hero," the fact that he's Luthor's arch-enemy in 52, and the attidute Steel is going to take saying heroes should be heroes no matter what.

[GoldenAgeHero]

There's a rumour that Lex Luthor is gonna be a main player, as well. I'm betting that The Question will be the one to die. He and Montoya pursue a mystery throughout the series; perhaps the finale kills him. Besides, he's suspiciously absent from any other solicits...if he remained in Gotham, then he would definitely be in a Batman title...I think...

if he does remain in gotham that really doesnt make hima candidate for the bat mantle. plus i dont think he's gonan stay there. why all of a sudden will he stay there, everyone knows gotham is batman's territory and once bruce comes back he'll kick question out.

[TheCorpulent1]

There's a rumour that Lex Luthor is gonna be a main player, as well. I'm betting that The Question will be the one to die. He and Montoya pursue a mystery throughout the series; perhaps the finale kills him. Besides, he's suspiciously absent from any other solicits...if he remained in Gotham, then he would definitely be in a Batman title...I think...
If the Question bites it, Montoya will officially have one of the worst partner track records ever. First Bullock gets booted off the force for conspiring to commit murder, then Allen gets killed pursuing a case against Corrigan in part because of Montoya's actions, and then the Question, too? Sheesh.

Personally, I think Black Adam will die. He'll redeem himself by returning to the hero he started out as in ancient Egypt, then he'll bite it. Khandaq's a smear on the map thanks to the Spectre and the Society--and, by extension, villains in general--betrayed him at the drop of a hat, so it's not as if he's got a lot left to live for.

On a side note, I'm really glad that 52 will be following such low-key players. More second-stringers could definitely use the kind of spotlight that 52 is bringing these guys, and I think it's great that DC is giving them a chance to shine.

[batnkevlar]

What happened to Bullock again? And when was this?

[TheCorpulent1]

Commissioner Gordon got shot in the "Officer Down" story. Bullock investigated and found out who was responsible, but he didn't have enough to make an arrest. He knew in his gut that that guy had done it, though, so he arranged a hit on him. After that he quit without getting prosecuted, but everyone knew he did it.

[Anubis]

He's in jail now right? Didn't he try to kill the Penguin or something?

[TheCorpulent1]

He's not in jail, I said he wasn't prosecuted. Can't go to jail without prosecution. He showed up and messed with the Penguin in Gotham Central. I forget all the particulars, but he was called in by Montoya to consult because an old case resurfaced and he was the lead investigator on it back in the day. He'd gone all to hell after he got booted from the Gotham PD, though. I think he went back to just drinking heavily and deteriorating behind the scenes after that arc.

[Anubis]

Yeah, he's a broken man at this point. Maybe he will become the new Spectre? Nah, can you really see his fat @$$ as the Spectre? Me neither.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's not dead, either. That's kind of an important part of being the Spectre. But I couldn't see him as the Spectre either. Chunky incarnations of God's wrath went out with the Old Testament, and I doubt I'd recognize Bullock if he slimmed down. He's just not cut out for the Spectre.

[drastic_quench]

No way. I think Elongated Man is going to get the ax.

[Jimmy-San]

I'm thinking Elongated Man as well. They've already killed off Blue Beetle, Red Rocket, Max Lord, and Sue Dibny. I think Captain Atom and Guy Gardner are the only Giffen/DeMatteis era JLA mainstays that are safe.


-Jimmy

[Jimmy-San]

I'm thinking Elongated Man as well. They've already killed off Blue Beetle, Red Rocket, Max Lord, and Sue Dibny. I think Captain Atom and Guy Gardner are the only Giffen/DeMatteis era JLA mainstays that are safe.


-Jimmy

[Jimmy-San]

I'm thinking Elongated Man as well. They've already killed off Blue Beetle, Red Rocket, Max Lord, and Sue Dibny. I think Captain Atom and Guy Gardner are the only Giffen/DeMatteis era JLA mainstays that are safe.


-Jimmy

[Jimmy-San]

I'm thinking Elongated Man as well. They've already killed off Blue Beetle, Red Rocket, Max Lord, and Sue Dibny. I think Captain Atom and Guy Gardner are the only Giffen/DeMatteis era JLA mainstays that are safe.


-Jimmy

[The Leaguer]

I wonder what Jimmy thinks.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe he'll repeat it so we get another chance to see.

[The Leaguer]

Nah, he'd never do that.

[Jimmy-San]

Gah! My CPU was messing up last night. :p Anyone know how to delete those posts? When I hit the "edit/delete" button, I find the edit options, but no real delete option.

[regwec]

There is no way. What's said is said. Just wait for the day of judgement.

[Keyser Soze]

I really enjoyed reading Infinite Crisis #3 - the plot thickens! I thought the revelation with Alex Luthor was somewhat predictable, but excellently done. And while I'm mourning the loss of the REAL Lex Luthor's battlesuit, the cunning and resourcefulness he's displaying suggests that there is hope for the character even with the demise of Lexcorp.

Though I must say I was a little disappointed to not see The Joker in this installment. After his appearance in IC#2, I was beginning to think they might try integrating him into the Society strand of the story. But now it's beginning to look like nothing more than a one-off cameo appearance.

[Pksoze]

Anyone think that little computer that Luthor has following him around looks like Solaris.

[regwec]

Though I must say I was a little disappointed to not see The Joker in this installment. After his appearance in IC#2, I was beginning to think they might try integrating him into the Society strand of the story. But now it's beginning to look like nothing more than a one-off cameo appearance.
I think his appearance was an attempt to emphasise the over-arching theme of Infinate Crisis; that the world has become too dark. He is told that he alone was excluded from the society because "The Joker is too wild", and this actually seems to touch a nerve. We have to remember that The Joker has often been one of the most omniscient characters in comics- even sometimes appearing to be aware that he is a character in a comic book. I bet he has felt the darkening of the DCU, which has been reflected in his own psychology.

In a related note, the characterisation of Batman was superb.

[TheCorpulent1]

Anyone think that little computer that Luthor has following him around looks like Solaris.
Did it? That'd be weird if they tied IC into the One Million stuff. Weird but cool. I miss a lot of those characters.

[Keyser Soze]

I think his appearance was an attempt to emphasise the over-arching theme of Infinate Crisis; that the world has become too dark. He is told that he alone was excluded from the society because "The Joker is too wild", and this actually seems to touch a nerve. We have to remember that The Joker has often been one of the most omniscient characters in comics- even sometimes appearing to be aware that he is a character in a comic book. I bet he has felt the darkening of the DCU, which has been reflected in his own psychology.

In a related note, the characterisation of Batman was superb.

Very interesting point. I've read in past interviews with writers that they feel The Joker has become too dark, too violent. Perhaps the change he will go through Post-Crisis is becoming less of a vicious serial killer and more of a sophisticated master criminal.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ugh, that sounds terrible. I like the Joker as a sadistic killer. A guy who embodies psychosis should be totally random to every sane person, shouldn't he? That's one of the things I love about the Joker. He can do anything and it would never be out of character.

[dk_thebatman]

Very interesting point. I've read in past interviews with writers that they feel The Joker has become too dark, too violent. Perhaps the change he will go through Post-Crisis is becoming less of a vicious serial killer and more of a sophisticated master criminal.

Uhhh... No. Bad idea.
:down

[raybia]

Very interesting point. I've read in past interviews with writers that they feel The Joker has become too dark, too violent. Perhaps the change he will go through Post-Crisis is becoming less of a vicious serial killer and more of a sophisticated master criminal.


Big mistake if they do.

I would love to see the Joker get his own comic though.

[dk_thebatman]

Big mistake if they do.

I would love to see the Joker get his own comic though.

That'd be pretty damn cool

[drastic_quench]

That already happened. It didn't work.

[dk_thebatman]

That already happened. It didn't work.

Possibly I'm too young to remember, but when did that happen? And who was the writer (in other words, was the writer a complete dumbass).

Come one, the obsession with villians as the focal characters of works of literature is such an appealing concept. If you have a good writer, you might even make people hate the hell out of Batman (which no one does right now, anyone who does isn't really a human and is un-American :o )

[Keyser Soze]

Uhhh... No. Bad idea.
:down

You're probably right. I don't necessarily think it was a good idea, I was merely speculating as to what the writers may be foreshadowing.

[drastic_quench]

Possibly I'm too young to remember, but when did that happen? And who was the writer (in other words, was the writer a complete dumbass).

Come one, the obsession with villians as the focal characters of works of literature is such an appealing concept. If you have a good writer, you might even make people hate the hell out of Batman (which no one does right now, anyone who does isn't really a human and is un-American :o )

Mid 70's. Denny O'Neil and Elliot Maggin.

[TheCorpulent1]

O'Neil's pretty good, so I guess that covers whether the writer was a dumbass.

Villains rarely ever work as the protagonist in a series. Focusing on them so much reduces their mystique and usually ends up watering them down.

[stillanerd]

Okay, who here has looked at the recent silverbulletcomicbooks.com's All the Rage column. They have a pretty interesting rumor as to WHO will star in the upcoming Flash reboot this year:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/index1.htm

For those of you too lazy, they say the new Flash will be a "newly rejuvenated" (aka de-aged) Jay Garrick.

[TheCorpulent1]

That sounds lame.

[The Leaguer]

I think someone, somewhere, has a list of all the possible people who could be Flash, and is going down it, starting rumor after rumor.

Seriously, though, I hear Johnny Quick is going to come back with an even bigger formula and be the new Flash.

[Keyser Soze]

I know this sounds crazy, but I think Hunter Zolomon would make a VERY intriguing Flash. However, I don't want that to happen, as I like him as Zoom too much (and I like Wally West too much) to see him become a hero.

As for villains in their own comics, I think it can work when handled right. "Bullseye: Greatest Hits" was one of the hidden gems of 2004, while "Lex Luthor: Man Of Steel" is proving to be a great read (I just bought it recently, not finished it yet). I think the problem with The Joker in his series was that they made him fight other villains etc, rather than keeping him as an outright villain, but exploring his character a bit more.

[TheCorpulent1]

Mini-series don't count. That's one or two character arcs at most. It's nearly impossible to keep a villain interesting and villainous in an ongoing. Part of villains' allure is their mystique and their unpredictability.

[Pksoze]

Did it? That'd be weird if they tied IC into the One Million stuff. Weird but cool. I miss a lot of those characters.


Yeah if somebody has a scan of Luthor's Machine cause it sort of looks like

Solaris


http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1185/dc1m_3.gif

[The_Mystery]

If Nightwing dies in IC, DC has a lost a reader to Marvel right here.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Yeah if somebody has a scan of Luthor's Machine cause it sort of looks like

Solaris


http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1185/dc1m_3.gifok what is that and what is it all about?

[The_Mystery]

That's supposed to be Supes No.1 villain, Solaris, in the future. It does look like Brother Eye though. Just a thought...

[Anubis]

If Nightwing dies in IC, DC has a lost a reader to Marvel right here.

.....okay.

[TheCorpulent1]

ok what is that and what is it all about?
It was a big event where DC projected what year Action Comics #1,000,000 would be published in. It turned out to be in the 853rd century, and DC built a whole story out of what everything would be like in such a far-flung future. Grant Morrison created a future counterpart to the JLA, called the Justice Legion A, who came back in time to invite the present-day JLA to participate in a celebration to commemorate Superman's emergence from a millennia-long hibernation inside of the sun. As with every Morrison superhero story, chaos ensued and the JLAs became stranded in each other's time periods. The future JLA had to work to prevent a virus from killing everyone on Earth in the present while the present JLA had to find their way back to each other and get back home in the future. Solaris is a complicated character in it, but if you're interested in the story I recommend you read it. Telling you anything about Solaris now would kind of ruin it if you do want to read it for yourself.

[GoldenAgeHero]

If Nightwing dies in IC, DC has a lost a reader to Marvel right here.

yeah good luck with that

[WormyT]

:rolleyes:

[The_Mystery]

You guys crack me up lmao

[CAPT. MARVEL]

Am I the only one who will be upset if Black Adam bites it?
I just think he is a cool and underused villain. I just hope if he dies, its well-written.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Am I the only one who will be upset if Black Adam bites it?
I just think he is a cool and underused villain. I just hope if he dies, its well-written.he will get a goblin glider to the chest.

[regwec]

I like the Joker as a sadistic killer [...] That's one of the things I love about the Joker. He can do anything and it would never be out of character.
But therein lies a conflict: we want an unpredictable Joker, but we only ever get the murderous/sadistic varient. Which is predictable. I want to see The Joker actually have plans in the future, and even occassionally be funny. That doesn't mean he needs to lose any of his menace.

[TheCorpulent1]

He was playing a game with Mr. Mxyzptlk in the last issue of Superman/Batman. That wasn't murderous, although it could be considered sadistic since it was a metaphor for how they were manipulating the real people that the pieces represented, and it came entirely out of left field.

[WormyT]

oops

[Pksoze]

Am I the only one who will be upset if Black Adam bites it?
I just think he is a cool and underused villain. I just hope if he dies, its well-written.


He's pretty arrogant its kind of funny that he was suprised by Luthor's betrayal.

[jesterd187]

What if it's the Earth 2 Robin?

I was lying in bed just now and something kind of struck me.
Jason Todd is supposed to be tied to the Crisis in some way, right? But... it's Jason Todd. How in the world could a guy like Jason Todd tie into something as huge as the Crisis?
I started to think... we saw Jason's dead body in Death in the Family. We know he was dead, we assume he was embalmed, sealed in a vault and buried by Batman. We can assume that the Worlds Greatest Detective could tell if the guy is actually dead or not. We can assume that since he was buried in the same graveyard as Bruce’s parents, Batman would have noticed if, at some time in the past, someone had dug up the body or if it had risen from the dead zombie-style, since Batman visits that cemetery almost nightly. We've heard that the Riddler dug up this grave in Hush and has his body stashed away somewhere - we know SOMETHING was stolen from that grave... and yet Todd’s still flipping around as a full grown adult, somehow OLDER than he probably should be (because early versions showed him with graying temples, when the guy should be about 18 right now).
Now, in JSA: Classified, we're getting more and more hints that Power Girl is a hold over from the previous Crisis.
Now… what if Jason Todd is a hold over as well? What if Jason Todd, the brash, reckless but generally good-hearted Boy Wonder DID die at the hands of the Joker, what if that tragedy STILL happened and STILL plays on Batman’s conscience… what if his body WAS buried then dug up and stolen and all that... what if he WASN'T raised from the dead at all, but is simply the same character - the pre-crisis version? That would be his tie to Infinite Crisis that expands beyond the realm of Batman.

[TheCorpulent1]

Earth-2 Robin was Dick Grayson.

[regwec]

He was playing a game with Mr. Mxyzptlk in the last issue of Superman/Batman. That wasn't murderous, although it could be considered sadistic since it was a metaphor for how they were manipulating the real people that the pieces represented, and it came entirely out of left field.
Stopped reading S/B a long time ago. Please could you detail the exchange? Ta.

[Union Jack]

ive enjoyed superman/batman..but then them two are my favourite heroes in DC.

it was interesting seeing tim as batman of the future..instead of terry mcguinness.

[The_Mystery]

I gave up on the Superman/Batman series a long time ago. Even if one of my favorite Supes artists McGuinness is drawing it

[raybia]

Earth-2 Robin was Dick Grayson.


I thought there was a Earth-2 Jason Todd? No?

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

the gray haired jason todd was clayface.

[BOYWONDR77]

To answer some of the holes about Jason Todd- recently in Batman Bruce discovered Jason's body was never in the coffin that was buried so his body has been missing a lot longer than thought. In Hush when Batman first saw Jason it actually was JT but when he fled he switched places with Clayface after he took his likeness. Jason (as the red hood) reveals this to Bruce in a recent issue of Batman by saying "That fight started with me, but ended with Clayface." There could (in theory) be an earth2 Jason on the count that the pre-crisis Jason and the Post are very very different characters. If the post crisis JT somehow survived he technically would be the age he appears as the red hood; or Some how Jason's body was stolen before his burial and revived ala a Lazaraus pit or something else. To me that is secondary to what his role will become after crisis. I actually think he will become a part of the Bat family again. With the clues given by writers and based on the covers of the upcoming issues in march- Bruce Wayne will become the Spectre, Dick Grayson will become Batman, Jason Todd will become Nightwing and Tim will remain Robin (with new costume). I don't need to tell you why I think Bruce will become the spectre there are so many theories on this board about that, but if you look at the first issue of Nightwing after crisis its nightwing holding Jason's infamous curved blade and theyve been saying in the previews someone new will be Nightwing from now on and move to new york. Then They have also said thatsomeone will take their mentor's place, while everyone is talking of flash they have not thought about nightwing and Batman. Also when asked is Dick would join the new JLA all they said was someone has to graduate don't they? Sounds like Dick will be Batman and JT will be Nightwing. Should be interesting!

[raybia]

To answer some of the holes about Jason Todd- recently in Batman Bruce discovered Jason's body was never in the coffin that was buried so his body has been missing a lot longer than thought. In Hush when Batman first saw Jason it actually was JT but when he fled he switched places with Clayface after he took his likeness. Jason (as the red hood) reveals this to Bruce in a recent issue of Batman by saying "That fight started with me, but ended with Clayface." There could (in theory) be an earth2 Jason on the count that the pre-crisis Jason and the Post are very very different characters. If the post crisis JT somehow survived he technically would be the age he appears as the red hood; or Some how Jason's body was stolen before his burial and revived ala a Lazaraus pit or something else. To me that is secondary to what his role will become after crisis. I actually think he will become a part of the Bat family again. With the clues given by writers and based on the covers of the upcoming issues in march- Bruce Wayne will become the Spectre, Dick Grayson will become Batman, Jason Todd will become Nightwing and Tim will remain Robin (with new costume). I don't need to tell you why I think Bruce will become the spectre there are so many theories on this board about that, but if you look at the first issue of Nightwing after crisis its nightwing holding Jason's infamous curved blade and theyve been saying in the previews someone new will be Nightwing from now on and move to new york. Then They have also said thatsomeone will take their mentor's place, while everyone is talking of flash they have not thought about nightwing and Batman. Also when asked is Dick would join the new JLA all they said was someone has to graduate don't they? Sounds like Dick will be Batman and JT will be Nightwing. Should be interesting!

I have a question? There is a New York City in the DC Universe right?

Who is its main protector?

[The Leaguer]

NYC was Kyle Rayner's homebase while he was on Earth, but now that he's gone, I can't think of anyone there at the moment.

[Anubis]

The JSA are based there. The NYC has a ton of heros.

[The Leaguer]

Oh, yeah, duh, the JSA.

...I was gonna say that, but Anubis just had to steal the show. What a showboat.

[ToddIsDead]

Nightwing is supposedly going to be in New York OYL.

[raybia]

So basically one of DC's major cities only have 2nd tier heroes watching it.

I think that NYC could be a great city for DC to build up to compete with Gotham and Metropolis as cities of importance. So its time to be an A tier superhero there for that to happen.

Wonder Woman would be a logical choice but Nightwing going there could be a way to finally make him a major player in the DC Universe and get from beyond Batman's shadow. (Bluhaven always seemed so 2nd rate).

But of course the key would be major talent in the way of artists and writers.

[The_Mystery]

The probably don't want to put too much emphasis on NYC, because Marvels damn near entire roster operate in the city. With so many heroes, you'd think they would spread out alittle. I'm sure Atlanta needs help. Florida, maybe?!

[goldmill]

So basically one of DC's major cities only have 2nd tier heroes watching it.



I'd hardly call the JSA 2nd tier characters.

[raybia]

The probably don't want to put too much emphasis on NYC, because Marvels damn near entire roster operate in the city. With so many heroes, you'd think they would spread out alittle. I'm sure Atlanta needs help. Florida, maybe?!

Why would Marvel's NYC interfere with DC's? Two different universes.

[jesterd187]

How come some of this message is blacked-out?

[The Batman]

I always preferred Diana to operate in NYC....It seems to suit her more than any other hero...

[The_Mystery]

I didn't mean it would interfere, I just think that DC would want to differentiate itself from Marvel by having it's characters spread out and protecting the entire world. Not just one city.

[Kurosawa]

I thought there was a Earth-2 Jason Todd? No?

No, there was an Earth-One Jason Todd. He had an origin that was similar to Dick Graysons Hiis parents were the trapeze artists that took the Flying Grayson's place, and they were killed by Killer Croc in a particularly grisly scene (he fed them to crocs). He acted nothing like the bratty Post-Crisis Jason Todd.
He definately couldn't be Red Hood even if he somehow ended up on the DCU Earth; he's just not that kind of person.

[drastic_quench]

No, there was an Earth-One Jason Todd. He had an origin that was similar to Dick Graysons Hiis parents were the trapeze artists that took the Flying Grayson's place, and they were killed by Killer Croc in a particularly grisly scene (he fed them to crocs). He acted nothing like the bratty Post-Crisis Jason Todd.
He definately couldn't be Red Hood even if he somehow ended up on the DCU Earth; he's just not that kind of person.

Didn't the Jason Todd who was around before COIE, on E-1, have red hair?

[GoldenAgeHero]

To answer some of the holes about Jason Todd- recently in Batman Bruce discovered Jason's body was never in the coffin that was buried so his body has been missing a lot longer than thought. In Hush when Batman first saw Jason it actually was JT but when he fled he switched places with Clayface after he took his likeness. Jason (as the red hood) reveals this to Bruce in a recent issue of Batman by saying "That fight started with me, but ended with Clayface." There could (in theory) be an earth2 Jason on the count that the pre-crisis Jason and the Post are very very different characters. If the post crisis JT somehow survived he technically would be the age he appears as the red hood; or Some how Jason's body was stolen before his burial and revived ala a Lazaraus pit or something else. To me that is secondary to what his role will become after crisis. I actually think he will become a part of the Bat family again. With the clues given by writers and based on the covers of the upcoming issues in march- Bruce Wayne will become the Spectre, Dick Grayson will become Batman, Jason Todd will become Nightwing and Tim will remain Robin (with new costume). I don't need to tell you why I think Bruce will become the spectre there are so many theories on this board about that, but if you look at the first issue of Nightwing after crisis its nightwing holding Jason's infamous curved blade and theyve been saying in the previews someone new will be Nightwing from now on and move to new york. Then They have also said thatsomeone will take their mentor's place, while everyone is talking of flash they have not thought about nightwing and Batman. Also when asked is Dick would join the new JLA all they said was someone has to graduate don't they? Sounds like Dick will be Batman and JT will be Nightwing. Should be interesting!



ugh do people even read comics, wonder woman,supes,batman,flash,green arrow,all have mantles to be replaced, so please syop jumping to conclusions on batman being replaced. i left out supes because if he died again it'll be too cliched.

[BOYWONDR77]

ugh do people even read comics, wonder woman,supes,batman,flash,green arrow,all have mantles to be replaced, so please syop jumping to conclusions on batman being replaced. i left out supes because if he died again it'll be too cliched.

Ugh apparently I do read comics and read the signs that are left by the writers and illustrators. I even read the previews for what will happen after crisis an observe the covers which reveal more than a hint that JT will become the new Nightwing. Pay attention and "read some comics/ previews" kid and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[BOYWONDR77]

Didn't the Jason Todd who was around before COIE, on E-1, have red hair?
Nah he looked exactly the same.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Ugh apparently I do read comics and read the signs that are left by the writers and illustrators. I even read the previews for what will happen after crisis an observe the covers which reveal more than a hint that JT will become the new Nightwing. Pay attention and "read some comics/ previews" kid and you'll see what I'm talking about.

im 20, i am no kid. and never judge a book by it's cover.

[drastic_quench]

Nah he looked exactly the same.

I knew I got that red hair idea from somewhere. Found it. Wikipedia:


Pre-Crisis

DC was initially hesitant to turn Dick Grayson, the original Robin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_%28comics%29), into Nightwing and to replace him with a new Robin. To minimize the change, they made the new Robin, Jason Todd, who first appeared in Batman #357 (1983 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983)), almost indistinguishable from a young Grayson. Jason Todd was also the son of circus acrobats killed by a criminal (this time the Batman adversary Killer Croc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_Croc)), adopted by Bruce Wayne. In this incarnation, he was red-haired and unfailingly cheerful, and wore his circus costume to fight crime until Dick Grayson presented him with a Robin suit of his own. At that point, he dyed his hair black.

[jesterd187]

Does anyone know the 1st post crisis Batman appearence. How about JT?

[regwec]

The probably don't want to put too much emphasis on NYC, because Marvels damn near entire roster operate in the city. With so many heroes, you'd think they would spread out alittle. I'm sure Atlanta needs help. Florida, maybe?!
Why not London? The DCU would benefit from "internationalising" to some extent.

[Anubis]

Oh, yeah, duh, the JSA.

...I was gonna say that, but Anubis just had to steal the show. What a showboat.

Hey, it's not my fault I kick so much @$$. It's more of a burden really.

[Tron5000]

The probably don't want to put too much emphasis on NYC, because Marvels damn near entire roster operate in the city. With so many heroes, you'd think they would spread out alittle. I'm sure Atlanta needs help. Florida, maybe?!

It'd be cool to have a superhero in Atlanta. He could be the ATLien!

[The Ether]

It'd be cool to have a superhero in Atlanta. He could be the ATLien!
Outkast fan eh?

[Ceb-Man]

Does anyone know the 1st post crisis Batman appearence. How about JT?
1st Post Crisis- Batman 404- Batman Year One
First Post Crisis Jason- Batman 408 Origin of JT

[yenaled]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Bealsebub/Wizard_172_061_062.jpg

Not sure if it has been posted or seen. But sneak cover to 52.

[deemar325]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Bealsebub/Wizard_172_061_062.jpg

Not sure if it has been posted or seen. But sneak cover to 52.

I'm looking forward to this.

[GoldenAgeHero]

wait superman is gonna go? where to?

[stillanerd]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Bealsebub/Wizard_172_061_062.jpg

Not sure if it has been posted or seen. But sneak cover to 52.

If this is the cover for the first issue, it looks great. Plus, the main storyline is very, very clear: after Infinite Crisis, its a year WITHOUT the trinity of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman and how the rest of the DCU copes with it.

[BrianWilly]

Okay see, that there's just all kinds of sexy.

[larryfilmmaker]

Not sure if this has been posted but here's the coloured version of Perez's Infinite Crisis cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/ICperezcolor.jpg

AWESOME!!!! I love how Nightwing and Robin are finally recognized as big parts of the DCU. I hear Batman's story might be changed alot and that Grayson may even become the new Bats???? I say give it a shot! Don't hate it cuz you can't see it working!!! Read it and THEN judge it. It takes balls to make a change that big but it just might work.

[drastic_quench]

Wow. That 52 cover looks awesome!

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/OWNER/LOCALS%7E1/TEMP/moz-screenshot.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Bealsebub/Wizard_172_061_062.jpg
who is the guy next to steel?

[Harlekin]

I've been wondering that myself, as well as the girl on the right.

But it does friggin' rock. Can't wait.

[Nightwing]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Bealsebub/Wizard_172_061_062.jpg

I cant wait for this,it looks amazing.

who is the guy next to steel?

Elongated Man?

[yenaled]

who is the guy next to steel?

Ralph Dibny (Elongated Man).

[UK_Stu]

Is the woman on the right hand side Barbara Gordon?

[Pksoze]

Is the woman on the right hand side Barbara Gordon?


That's Montoya

[drastic_quench]

Montoya.

[yenaled]

Is the woman on the right hand side Barbara Gordon?

No, Renee Montoya. From Gotham Central.

[regwec]

That looks really interesting. I like the way that the cape, the cowl and the lassoo are piled up as bounty. The connotation seems to be that there is a richness in the legacy of the Trinity that may cause a conflict of ambitions amongst those that would inherit it.

[ToddIsDead]

52 is going to be awesome. I get to read some of my favorite characters every week. Great cover too.

[TheCorpulent1]

That looks really interesting. I like the way that the cape, the cowl and the lassoo are piled up as bounty. The connotation seems to be that there is a richness in the legacy of the Trinity that may cause a conflict of ambitions amongst those that would inherit it.
The other implication is that Wonder Woman's warlike nature tore the Trinity apart, given that her contributions to the pile are both weapons.

[drastic_quench]

Well, imagine if it was her star-spangled panties...

[The BatDude]

Well, imagine if it was her star-spangled panties...
:up: :up: :)

[Superman \S/]

I've been kind of wondering. Since Superman is gone for a while in 52 who will protect Metropolis? I know Steel is there will he? Or how about Booster Gold? Will he step up and protect it?

[Superman \S/]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Bealsebub/Wizard_172_061_062.jpg

Not sure if it has been posted or seen. But sneak cover to 52.

Cool cover. :)

[stillanerd]

There's diffenately a lot of symbolism in that image. If I were to guess they're implication (besides what others and myself have mentioned) I would imagine that, based on what could happen at the end of Infinite Crisis:

--The sword through the S of Superman's cape could imply he's been "pinned to the ground" so he can't fly, meaning he could be stripped of his powers.
--The fact that Batman's cape and cowl look torn and tattered, somewhat like the way Superman's cape was on the cover of the issue that had his death, perhaps meaning that Batman might have "died."
--The fact that Wonder Woman's sword is "steathed" into the ground, and her lasso hung up on the hilt, implying Wonder Woman has literally "hung up her weapons" and is no longer a warrior.
--That Steel, Ralph, Question, Booster Gold, and Renee Montoya are looking at those objects, their faces grim, sad, and worried, as if they are saying "What do we do now?"

Perhaps I'm overreading it, but maybe I'm not.

[droogiedroogie2]

AWESOME!!!! I love how Nightwing and Robin are finally recognized as big parts of the DCU. I hear Batman's story might be changed alot and that Grayson may even become the new Bats???? I say give it a shot! Don't hate it cuz you can't see it working!!! Read it and THEN judge it. It takes balls to make a change that big but it just might work.People like you are what's wrong with the world. Hey, let's change it cuz we can! We'll make it work AFTER we've fccked everything up! YEAH! You change something because it NEEDS to be changed. That's why the real Crisis will always be superior to Infinite. The real Crisis had to happen, it was long overdue. Infinite, while a cool storyline, is a massive overhaul that was completely artificially created.

[droogiedroogie2]

Well, imagine if it was her star-spangled panties...GPs at that.

[jaydawg]

There's diffenately a lot of symbolism in that image. If I were to guess they're implication (besides what others and myself have mentioned) I would imagine that, based on what could happen at the end of Infinite Crisis:

--The sword through the S of Superman's cape could imply he's been "pinned to the ground" so he can't fly, meaning he could be stripped of his powers.
--The fact that Batman's cape and cowl look torn and tattered, somewhat like the way Superman's cape was on the cover of the issue that had his death, perhaps meaning that Batman might have "died."
--The fact that Wonder Woman's sword is "steathed" into the ground, and her lasso hung up on the hilt, implying Wonder Woman has literally "hung up her weapons" and is no longer a warrior.
--That Steel, Ralph, Question, Booster Gold, and Renee Montoya are looking at those objects, their faces grim, sad, and worried, as if they are saying "What do we do now?"

Perhaps I'm overreading it, but maybe I'm not.
Also take note that Steel has the actual Superman shield on his chest. He hasnt had a S in that style since everyone thought Supes was dead.

[stillanerd]

Also take note that Steel has the actual Superman shield on his chest. He hasnt had a S in that style since everyone thought Supes was dead.

You got some good eyes because I overlooked that. Also, remember what the Wizard article about 52 said that Steel was going to become Lex Luthor's nemesis? Well, everybody knows THAT'S supposed to be Superman. But if Superman is inactive during 52, then who better than the guy who was inspired by Superman in the first place to try and fill his shoes? Well done.:up:

[That-Guy]

Speaking of Lex Luthor, is anyone else here rooting for him to come out on top of all of this crap? I was sort of disappointed when Alex handed his ass to him in the last issue. I wanted to see the real Luthor mop the floor with the "false" Luthor (regardless of who he turned out to be) and then set his sights on the rest of the DCU. Here's to hoping we'll get a Luthor rematch soon, and bald Luthor will be prepared this time.

[ToddIsDead]

I'd love to see Luthor woop some ass. It would be great to see him ***** slap Alex Luthor, that mullet-loving universe-killer!

[Brian Braddock]

You got some good eyes because I overlooked that. Also, remember what the Wizard article about 52 said that Steel was going to become Lex Luthor's nemesis? Well, everybody knows THAT'S supposed to be Superman. But if Superman is inactive during 52, then who better than the guy who was inspired by Superman in the first place to try and fill his shoes? Well done.:up:

Well, Bats did say to Supes in IC#1 that "the last time you really inspired anyone -- was when you where dead."

[droogiedroogie2]

No sh...uh, no shizzle (you happy, mods?). Real Luthor needs to finish what the real Crisis started and end Earth-2 permanently. That means no more fcckin'...crap, I mean freakin' Power Girl. And the Joker needs to give him a helping hand, because he's pissed that he wasn't invited to Alex's party. The all-time greatest supervillains taking down the fc...f-ing pretender. Maybe Batman and Superman (the real one, the one who doesn't want to destroy a universe) should get in on that action too. That would be the ultimate final battle dude. Bats, Supes, Joker, and Lex Luthor vs. Grampa Supes, Alex Luthor, wussy Superboy, and bed-ridden Lois.

[The_Mystery]

You gotta give DC comics some credit, people haven't been talking about their books like this for a long time. Bravo, ENCORE, please!!!!

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Bats did say to Supes in IC#1 that "the last time you really inspired anyone -- was when you where dead."
Yeah, he did. It still doesn't have any solid basis in facts, though. Superman inspires people all the time.

[droogiedroogie2]

Yeah, he did. It still doesn't have any solid basis in facts, though. Superman inspires people all the time.I would have modified that statement to say "The last time you inspired anyone was when Kyle Rayner was getting his ass handed to him by Mongul in A New Dawn and you rushed in there to save the day." But that doesn't have the same angry accusation ring to it. Plus, it doesn't serve quite the same purpose of indicting almost two decades of Superman scribes.

[TimDrake64x]

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/OWNER/LOCALS%7E1/TEMP/moz-screenshot.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/Bealsebub/Wizard_172_061_062.jpg
who is the guy next to steel?

the guy in the hat and trench coat is the question (thats his name not a joke), ive heard that he will be the one protecting gotham during the one year skip thing

[drastic_quench]

the guy in the hat and trench coat is the question (thats his name not a joke), ive heard that he will be the one protecting gotham during the one year skip thing

Yes, but that is not the guy next to Steel. Perhaps the man next to Steel is Ralph Dibny.

[Anubis]

Yeah, thats Ralph.

[LivingInClip]

With Steel wearing the 'S', I can only assume that the other for that year, Superman is believed to be dead along with the rest of the "trinity".

[stillanerd]

Okay, we have been hearing that 52 will have six people as its main players. So far, we see, in this image five of them: Steel, Ralph Digby, The Question, Booster Gold, and Renee Montoya. And the sixth is going to be Black Adam. Yet, he's NOT on the cover. Doesn't anyone find that the least bit curious?

[TheCorpulent1]

I would think if Black Adam were with those others on the cover, it'd take on a whole different personality, what with Adam (a villain) trying to kill the others (all heroes) and all.

[stillanerd]

I would think if Black Adam were with those others on the cover, it'd take on a whole different personality, what with Adam (a villain) trying to kill the others (all heroes) and all.

I thought that might be the case. But remember, one the things reported by Wizard was that 52 would make Black Adam "DC's Doctor Doom." Granted, they're both villains, but more of in the sense that they only want what's best for the citizens of their country (albeit what THEY believe is best for their country) and don't exactly see themselves as bad guys at all. If anything, they see themselves no different than the heroes who fight them. Not that I'm condoning what they do, for like any tyrannical dictator, their actions are evil; but if you think about it, they're more anti-heroes rather than pure villains (even though these often the same thing). I don't know, perhaps given how symbolic the cover is already, maybe I figured that Black Adam's absense was significant. Then again "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.":)

[TheCorpulent1]

Not that I'm condoning what they do, for I like any tyrannical dictator, their actions are evil;
You seem ambivalent... ;)

[stillanerd]

You seem ambivalent... ;)

:eek:
I also type very fast and don't catch a lot of errors until it's too late. :O ;)Then again this a message board; grammatical mistakes run rampant here all the time.:)

EDIT: See what I mean.

[BlackOpsTengu]

What's so bad about Black Adam? So he lead an uprising against a horrible regime, killed all of his opponents, and took charge.

Sounds like what would have happened had George Washington become King of America.

I don't see that as particularly villianous, am I missing something?

[Pksoze]

The only problem I have with Adam was the guy was stupid enough to trust Luthor....

BTW what will happen to Vandal Savage he had a knife to Alex's throat...I doubt Alex will just let that go...

[regwec]

Ra's al Ghul should be the DCU's Doctor Doom.

[Pksoze]

I think DC should have a villain war between Luthor, VandaL Savage, Ra's to see who the top dog is.

[droogiedroogie2]

I thought that might be the case. But remember, one the things reported by Wizard was that 52 would make Black Adam "DC's Doctor Doom." Granted, they're both villains, but more of in the sense that they only want what's best for the citizens of their country (albeit what THEY believe is best for their country) and don't exactly see themselves as bad guys at all. If anything, they see themselves no different than the heroes who fight them. Not that I'm condoning what they do, for like any tyrannical dictator, their actions are evil; but if you think about it, they're more anti-heroes rather than pure villains (even though these often the same thing). I don't know, perhaps given how symbolic the cover is already, maybe I figured that Black Adam's absense was significant. Then again "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.":)But we already have a Doctor Doom. Lex Luthor. Lex was Doctor Doom before Doctor Doom was Doctor Doom. BTW, dictators like Fidel Castro that think they're doing the right thing are not anti-heroes. They're just dudes that messed up really badly, and pretty much bad people at this point.

But on the other hand, since Fidel Castro is the one constant in this crazy world, and I think I would cry if something happened to him, I want him to live forever. And he will. He's like cockroaches. When the universe explodes Fidel and the roaches will still be around.

[larryfilmmaker]

When the universe explodes Fidel and the roaches will still be around.

and Cher

[Keyser Soze]

But we already have a Doctor Doom. Lex Luthor. Lex was Doctor Doom before Doctor Doom was Doctor Doom.

Good point. And the way things have been developing, I assume Lex Luthor's overall arc throughout Infinite Crisis will be regressing from his modern age evil businessman persona back to his Dr Doom-style villainous megalomaniac persona.

[BrlntDsgse]

and Cher


and Dick Clark.....and of course, we can't forget Chuck Norris

[jaydawg]

I think DC should have a villain war between Luthor, VandaL Savage, Ra's to see who the top dog is.
That would be pointless considering Luthor is the greatest villain they have.

[Keyser Soze]

That would be pointless considering Luthor is the greatest villain they have.

...apart from The Joker. :joker:

[Nightwing]

I just saw the cover of Infinite Crisis #7 due out in April.

[Agentdemon]

^where?

[Nightwing]

^where?

Comics Continuum.com


Anyone want me to post it? Though not to spoil anything.

[BrianWilly]

At this point it's really not much of a spoiler, so I think it's reasonably safe to post it:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0601/13/crisis7.jpg

Weird though...I can't remember ever seeing the cover to #6. Was that ever revealed, or did they skip a month?

[larryfilmmaker]

and Dick Clark.....and of course, we can't forget Chuck Norris

touche.

[TheCorpulent1]

Weird though...I can't remember ever seeing the cover to #6. Was that ever revealed, or did they skip a month?
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4952_400x600.jpg

As for #7's cover, it's really not surprising. The more I see of upcoming IC stuff, the more I think that Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman will somehow merge with or be influenced by alternate reality counterparts of themselves. Then OYL will feature gestalt versions of the big 3 that embody everything whoever's in charge of DC considers their "most iconic elements," which unfortunately seems to translate into "more Silver Age" at this point. Which kind of sucks, since I'm enjoying Superman and Wonder Woman as they are, at least. Batman could stand to be a little less of a jerk.

[The BatDude]

i just have a feeling that flas isnt going to die but kid flash is go to bite the dust instead

[TheCorpulent1]

That'd suck, but better Bart than Wally as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty sure Bart survives and is still Kid Flash after OYL, though. The OYL Teen Titans cover has a silhouette that looks a lot like him. My guess is that Wally will somehow lose his powers and just settle down to raise his family.

[Nightwing]

At this point it's really not much of a spoiler, so I think it's reasonably safe to post it:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0601/13/crisis7.jpg

Weird though...I can't remember ever seeing the cover to #6. Was that ever revealed, or did they skip a month?

Thats it,looks good I cant wait.

[droogiedroogie2]

That'd suck, but better Bart than Wally as far as I'm concerned. I'm pretty sure Bart survives and is still Kid Flash after OYL, though. The OYL Teen Titans cover has a silhouette that looks a lot like him. My guess is that Wally will somehow lose his powers and just settle down to raise his family.That's poopsmith. Wally's the best Flash we've ever had (because he's my generation's Flash.) Also, how could we still have a Kid Flash but no real Flash?

[TheCorpulent1]

That's poopsmith. Wally's the best Flash we've ever had (because he's my generation's Flash.) Also, how could we still have a Kid Flash but no real Flash?
Same way Earth-Prime had Superboy without a Superman? Bart's not even technically Wally's sidekick. He never has been. He's his own hero and he's not beholden to there being a guy named "the Flash" to continue on as Kid Flash.

[jaydawg]

Thats why its so stupid that he changed his name to Kid Flash in the first place. I liked Bart a hell of alot more as Impulse.

[TimDrake64x]

just found this on ign.com, i dont if its been posted before but it hints at some pretty crazy stuff, read and enjoy

Bruce Wayne Out
The Internet's most popular theory also seems the most likely. For decades Bruce Wayne has been the Batman. Only during the events of "Knightfall" -- when Wayne's back was broken by Bane -- has it even seemed that Bruce might not be the Batman forever. A change appears almost impossible to avoid at this point with hints being dropped that there are definite plans for a Batman successor in the future. If not "One Year Later..." then when?




So who takes over? Everyone and their uncle wants Dick Grayson to assume the mantle of the Bat. We saw a limited flash of this in the "Prodigal" storyline following "Knightsend." The problem with writers is that they often feel the need to be surprising. Rather than do what makes sense, what feels right, they try and stir things up with an off-the-wall choice. It's already been stated by DC that Tim Drake will not be the successor. And if it's neither of these Robin's, who might it be? Jason Todd.

Don't knock it. This theory, which a few folks have been offering on message boards around the 'net, seems ludicrous at first. But consider that Jason Todd hasn't really shown himself to be a true bad guy yet. In fact, he never was much of an evil bloke, just a misguided youth. It seems awfully convenient for him to be returned from the dead so close to Infinite Crisis not to play some part. What would be more shocking -- jumping ahead a year and finding out Dick Grayson is now Batman or getting that first reveal and seeing that somehow Jason Todd has earned that honor? In comics, shocking almost always trumps common sense.

However, DC cannot afford to lose Bruce Wayne as Batman. See, they have a successful movie franchise to think about. So no matter who replaces Batman (if someone should), expect to see Bruce remain in the cape and cowl in a new series focusing on past "untold" tales. Our guess would be a re-launching of Legends of the Dark Knight. Oh, and don't expect Bruce to die. We fully expect he'll remain part of the regular DC continuity, but as mentor, not as Batman.

yes thats some wild and crazy stuff

[Darth Wolverine]

Did you not hear yet? Peter Tomasi has confirmed that Bruce Wayne will be Batman and Tim Drake will be Robin OYL here (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/editors/tomasi.html).
Here's a look at the new Checkmate series:

CHECKMATE #1
Written by Greg Rucka
Art by Jesus Saiz
Cover by Lee Bermejo
Checkmate holds the line. Cross it — and they’ll take you off the board. Permanently.
In this thrilling new ongoing series, the team behind the blockbuster OMAC PROJECT —writer Greg Rucka & artist Jesus Saiz — returns with a different spy agency for a different world. Infinite Crisis has changed the DCU, and Checkmate has shaped its hard-learned lessons into a new game plan.
In Checkmate, it’s all about the balance of power. Between Black and White; between human and metahuman; and between the familiar faces who have become its new Kings and Queens. It’s also about the propaganda wars, black ops combat, and political maneuvering that fuel Checkmate’s critical missions — missions that take a grueling toll on the agents’ day-to-day lives.
First, however, they must prove their right to exist — to the U.N. And they only have hours to do it in this breathtaking first issue! For a signed edition, see the Dynamic Forces section of Previews.
On sale April 26 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06/CheckmateCv1.jpg

[kiuju2k]

haha jason todd being batman? Didn't he just get stabbed?

Anyway I thinik Bart was better as impulse too. He had his own identity he can be his own hero and not have to be in wally's shadow. Kinda of like Kyle at first with hal.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm glad Bart became Kid Flash. DC's largely been established on legacies, and I'm glad that Bart finally showed enough maturity and ambition to change his name and declare himself the Flash's heir, whether Wally likes it or not. He hasn't been in anybody's shadow as far as I've seen. In fact, he's displayed far more independence and maturity as Kid Flash when he's had guest appearances in Flash's comic than he ever did as Impulse. He was usually relegated to the screw-up or comedy relief role as Impulse. Now he's an actual worthy contributer to the Speedster Squad. He held his own against Wally pretty well when Wally showed up in Teen Titans a couple of years ago, too. I think Bart's change to Kid Flash was a vast improvement all around, except maybe in the color scheme of his costume, but that's excusable. ;)

[The Batman]

for those who didnt hear, BRUCE WAYNE IS STILL BATMAN AND TIM IS STILL ROBIN OYL. YOU CAN STOP THE RIDUCULOUS THERORIES NOW

[Nightwing]

Did you not hear yet? Peter Tomasi has confirmed that Bruce Wayne will be Batman and Tim Drake will be Robin OYL here (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/editors/tomasi.html).
Here's a look at the new Checkmate series:

CHECKMATE #1
Written by Greg Rucka
Art by Jesus Saiz
Cover by Lee Bermejo
Checkmate holds the line. Cross it — and they’ll take you off the board. Permanently.
In this thrilling new ongoing series, the team behind the blockbuster OMAC PROJECT —writer Greg Rucka & artist Jesus Saiz — returns with a different spy agency for a different world. Infinite Crisis has changed the DCU, and Checkmate has shaped its hard-learned lessons into a new game plan.
In Checkmate, it’s all about the balance of power. Between Black and White; between human and metahuman; and between the familiar faces who have become its new Kings and Queens. It’s also about the propaganda wars, black ops combat, and political maneuvering that fuel Checkmate’s critical missions — missions that take a grueling toll on the agents’ day-to-day lives.
First, however, they must prove their right to exist — to the U.N. And they only have hours to do it in this breathtaking first issue! For a signed edition, see the Dynamic Forces section of Previews.
On sale April 26 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Apr06/CheckmateCv1.jpg

Nice cover.

The girl in green,thats Fire isnt it.Wonder what her purpose might be.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nice cover.

The girl in green,thats Fire isnt it.Wonder what her purpose might be.
Rucka mentioned in his interview with Newsarama that Checkmate would be primarily about balance, and one specific balance he mentioned was the balance between humans and metahumans. Maybe Checkmate will get Fire to join them. She's probably not going to be busy with JLA work or anything, and the recent trials she's had to face (Ted's death, Ice's return to the land of the dead thanks to her own impatience, Booster's injury, etc.) could have hardened her up a bit to make her more the espionage/covert ops type.

[Sentry2005]

for those who didnt hear, BRUCE WAYNE IS STILL BATMAN AND TIM IS STILL ROBIN OYL. YOU CAN STOP THE RIDUCULOUS THERORIES NOW

because no one ever lied about nothing before? :confused:

[Nightwing]

Rucka mentioned in his interview with Newsarama that Checkmate would be primarily about balance, and one specific balance he mentioned was the balance between humans and metahumans. Maybe Checkmate will get Fire to join them. She's probably not going to be busy with JLA work or anything, and the recent trials she's had to face (Ted's death, Ice's return to the land of the dead thanks to her own impatience, Booster's injury, etc.) could have hardened her up a bit to make her more the espionage/covert ops type.

Interesting,I want to see where they take her and have more out of the character.I liked her alot in JLA:Classified and when she was with Booster convincing him not to go after Teds death.Definitely picking this one up.

[BrianWilly]

because no one ever lied about nothing before? :confused:Writers have misled and planted red herrings before, sure. But giving out straight-up false plot info in an official interview? Much, much less likely.

[Sentry2005]

no, but say one of the big final surprises of i.c. is batman not being bruce wayne anymore... well they're not going to say "yep, you're right, bruce isn't going to be batman anymore."

i can see it being plausable that as oyl starts bruce is still batman, just not active, and he hands the mantle over to someone right at the beginning.

[TheCorpulent1]

They could say they can't comment on it, just like Tomasi said for virtually every other question in that interview. :confused:

[droogiedroogie2]

I'm glad Bart became Kid Flash. DC's largely been established on legacies, and I'm glad that Bart finally showed enough maturity and ambition to change his name and declare himself the Flash's heir, whether Wally likes it or not. He hasn't been in anybody's shadow as far as I've seen. In fact, he's displayed far more independence and maturity as Kid Flash when he's had guest appearances in Flash's comic than he ever did as Impulse. He was usually relegated to the screw-up or comedy relief role as Impulse. Now he's an actual worthy contributer to the Speedster Squad. He held his own against Wally pretty well when Wally showed up in Teen Titans a couple of years ago, too. I think Bart's change to Kid Flash was a vast improvement all around, except maybe in the color scheme of his costume, but that's excusable. ;)He showed "maturity" and "ambition" by changing his name to Kid? Yeah.

because no one ever lied about nothing before?Yeah, it's the Illuminati, they've taken over DC. They have a vested interest in making us think Bruce will be Batman until Crisis Jr. is over. Who knows what the interest is? Who indeed?

Come on, if it was some big surprise, they would just be coy and decline to answer it like they have with everything else (except Checkmate. Man, he just came out and said that sheeat didn't he? There was no sly "maybe, maybe not" about that. Probably a conspiracy to keep us in the dark. In fact, I'll bet that's not actually the cover for Checkmate, but some kind of Sasha/Fire team-up book, and in that issue they attack militaristic Amanda Waller, Boba Fett-Man, and Microphone-Dude.

[TheCorpulent1]

He showed "maturity" and "ambition" by changing his name to Kid? Yeah.
That's like saying Superboy is somehow demeaned by putting "boy" in his name or Robin is demeaned because he's named after a bird. Kid Flash is the traditional name of the official next in line to be the Flash. It's a symbolic change meant to reflect the fact that he's accepted that responsibility.

[jaydawg]

I'm glad Bart became Kid Flash. DC's largely been established on legacies, and I'm glad that Bart finally showed enough maturity and ambition to change his name and declare himself the Flash's heir, whether Wally likes it or not. He hasn't been in anybody's shadow as far as I've seen. In fact, he's displayed far more independence and maturity as Kid Flash when he's had guest appearances in Flash's comic than he ever did as Impulse. He was usually relegated to the screw-up or comedy relief role as Impulse. Now he's an actual worthy contributer to the Speedster Squad. He held his own against Wally pretty well when Wally showed up in Teen Titans a couple of years ago, too. I think Bart's change to Kid Flash was a vast improvement all around, except maybe in the color scheme of his costume, but that's excusable. ;)
Wally actually initiated a plot to get Bart to become Kid Flash. It worked, but not on Wally's terms. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

[GoldenAgeHero]

They could say they can't comment on it, just like Tomasi said for virtually every other question in that interview. :confused:

exactly! bruce wayne is till going to be batman!!!!!!

[TheCorpulent1]

Wally actually initiated a plot to get Bart to become Kid Flash. It worked, but not on Wally's terms. Pretty selfish if you ask me.
I know, he treated Jesse Quick like crap. Not Wally's best moment, but it's just further proof that Bart's always had the potential, he was just wasting it by goofing off as Impulse. He's wised up now and taken his place as Flash's heir to reflect that.

When I said "whether Wally likes it or not," I didn't mean that Wally didn't believe Bart could be the Flash one day. More like he knows Bart can, and he knows that more than likely he will, but he's kind of scared that he won't grow out of his childish persona by then. Bart's obviously improving as Kid Flash, but he's only held the title for a short amount of time within the comic world, so Wally may still have some doubts.

[droogiedroogie2]

That's like saying Superboy is somehow demeaned by putting "boy" in his name or Robin is demeaned because he's named after a bird.Yes. They are demeaned. I've always said that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes. They are demeaned. I've always said that.
Then you and I have a fundamental difference of opinion and you'll just have to accept that you're wrong. :p

[TimDrake64x]

what he said was "bruce IS batman" and that "tim will still be robin". one is present, one is future. that seems like a pretty good red herring and being coy comment to me

[BrianWilly]

I'm of the camp that enjoyed Bart's transformation to Kid Flash. People always say that characters should actually have character progression and evolving plotlines and whatnot, and that's pretty much exactly what happened. I liked Impulse as a concept, but the fact that he forced himself to change, to grow into the role of Kid Flash is such a defining moment for Bart. Of course everything would still be peachy keen had he remained Impulse for the rest of his life, but the fact that he didn't want to remain Impulse for the rest of his life is representative of a determination and self-drive that no one -- not his peers, his friends, his writers, and most definitely not his readers -- would have expected from the ADDtastic Impulse.

"Aren't I supposed to be a man now?"
"A man is just a boy who's old enough to ask that question."

[Darth Wolverine]

what he said was "bruce IS batman" and that "tim will still be robin". one is present, one is future. that seems like a pretty good red herring and being coy comment to me

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he (or the question) said Bruce is Batman OYL (or Who is Batman OYL?)

Also, since when is Ice alive again???

[TheCorpulent1]

"Aren't I supposed to be a man now?"
"A man is just a boy who's old enough to ask that question."
Where's that from? It sounds familiar but I can't place it. Sounds like something Jay would say, actually.

Speaking of which, I'd love to see more of Bart bonding with the JSA, maybe in a JSA Classified arc. He's lived with Jay and Joan Garrick for about a year in comic time now; you can't tell me Wildcat and Alan Scott didn't go over to the Garrick residence for dinner a few times or Sand didn't come by to reminisce about old times. Throw a villain into any such meeting and it could be a fun arc wherein Bart shows the oldest and best of the superhero crowd what he's made of.

[regwec]

for those who didnt hear, BRUCE WAYNE IS STILL BATMAN AND TIM IS STILL ROBIN OYL. YOU CAN STOP THE RIDUCULOUS THERORIES NOW
That doesn't mean that it will remain the same throughout 52. We could have a Knightfall scenario again.

[drastic_quench]

Which is why 52 combined with OYL is so cool. It doesn't really matter. In our time, not comic time, there will be no absence of Bruce Wayne as Batman. His he could die in 52 and his corpse could be kidnapped by Rocket Monkeys From Beyond The Moon, but I can still by Batman or Detective in March - with Bruce as Bats. What a great idea.

[TimDrake64x]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he (or the question) said Bruce is Batman OYL (or Who is Batman OYL?)

Also, since when is Ice alive again???

i dont meen to be rude but yes he did say "bruce is batman" and all that did was refer back to his original statement, so basically he did an awesome job at dodging the question

[TheCorpulent1]

Also, since when is Ice alive again???
Ice isn't alive again. :confused:

[The Batman]

*Sigh* do you people not get it?

Tomasi was asked who'll be Batman in March, OYL, AFTER 52, who'll be Batman

He said Bruce Wayne. So Bruce Wayne will be Batman one year later.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i decided to repost this and one of them has come confirmed. green arrow ill be the mayor of star city.

1) Which one of these heroines will give birth in '06?
A)Wonder Woman
B)Power Girl
C) Catwoman (yup)
D) Oracle

2)Which one of these heroes will be stripped of their powers?
A)Superman
B)Wonder Woman
C)Supergirl
D) Hal Jordan/Green Lantern

3)Who wll become Mayor of a crime-riddled city??
A)Wally West/Flash
B)Dick Grayson/Nightwing
C)Bruce Wayne/Batman
D)Oliver Queen/Green Arrow(confrimed)

4)Who will have Amnesia and become unable to tell friend from for??
A)Martian Manhunter
B)Aquaman
C)The Atom
D)Elongated Man(elongated man)

5)Who will take on the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU??
A)Booster Gold
B)Animal Man
C)Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern
D)Earth-2 Superman

6)Which hero will become a criminal in the eyes of the world??
A)Hal Jordan/Green Lantern
B)Superman
C)The Flash
D)Shazam

7)Which one of these heroes is the only one who'll be around after 'Infinite Crisis'?
A)Wally West/Flash
B)Conner Kent/Superboy
C)Guy Gardner/Green Lantern
D)Dick Grayson/Nightwing



9)Who's about to become the U.S Military's secret weapon?
A)Cyborg
B)Wonder Woman
C)Red Tornado
D)John Stewart/Green Lantern

10)Which villian will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006?
A)Brainiac
B)Sinestro
C)Black Atom( yup)
D)Vandal Savage



i seriously think conner is going to die. i dont think bruce can handle nightwing dying.

[ToddIsDead]

I'm going to go ahead and try to answer some of those according to my opinion.

1. Catwoman(pretty obvious)

2. Wonder Woman. I think it could possibly be her, with her series ending and such.

3. Oliver (Obviously)

4. Martian Manhunter. This is just a big guess on my part, but I think it could be cool.

5. Kyle Rayner. Hey, he's going to be Ion again.

6. No clue. Maybe Shazam, due to the whole stone crashing into Gotham thing.

7. Guy Gardner will be the only lantern seriously patroling in the sector. I think Hal will be JLA exclusive, Kyle will be Ion, John will be working for the government, so Guy will be the only beat cop of the sector.

8. There is no eight?

9. John, just because it would be cool and that's what I want. Red Tornado might be a more likely candidate though.

10. Black Adam (obviously)

Oh, and Connor is probably going to die.

[Anubis]

1) Which one of these heroines will give birth in '06?

C) Catwoman (yup)


2)Which one of these heroes will be stripped of their powers?

B)Wonder Woman



3)Who wll become Mayor of a crime-riddled city??

D)Oliver Queen/Green Arrow(confrimed)


4)Who will have Amnesia and become unable to tell friend from for??

A)Martian Manhunter (Just a guess)


5)Who will take on the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU??

C)Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern ( As Ion )


6)Which hero will become a criminal in the eyes of the world??

A)Hal Jordan/Green Lantern (Just a guess)


7)Which one of these heroes is the only one who'll be around after 'Infinite Crisis'?

C)Guy Gardner/Green Lantern (I don't see him going anywhere though Flash might retire after IC, Superboy might die, and Nightwing might quit for awhile as well.)



9)Who's about to become the U.S Military's secret weapon?

C)Red Tornado (Gotta be him.)


10)Which villian will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006?

C)Black Adam (Could be. Between him and Savage if you ask me.)

[BrianWilly]

Where's that from? It sounds familiar but I can't place it. Sounds like something Jay would say, actually.
Firefly, episode "Jaynestown," actually. But to be honest, it's might just be a variation on some other theme.

[yenaled]

2)Which one of these heroes will be stripped of their powers?

B)Wonder Woman

We already know Supergirl will be in Kandor OYL, so she will have no powers.

[BrianWilly]

But she will also be in the Legion of Superheroes, which suggests powers.

I agree that Wonder Woman being powerless sounds like the most likely probabilty. Though I'm slightly frightened that it might harken back to the days of either I Ching 70s spy tomfoolery or 90s leather-clad Gangsta Wonder. And when I say "slightly frightened," I mean to say "is that urine leaking down my leg?"

[GoldenAgeHero]

i think donna troy is gonan take her place!

[BrianWilly]

I would've thought so too, but the fact that there is no solicited Wonder Woman book for months and months OYL seems to suggest differently. My guess is that they're holding off on the WW relaunch for the movie, when they could make it all flashy and noticeable and still accessible to a newer audience.

[stillanerd]

1) Which one of these heroines will give birth in '06?l
C) Catwoman (hopefully Bruce Wayne is the father, although I don't think she'll tell him and only Alfred will know the truth.)

2)Which one of these heroes will be stripped of their powers?
A)Superman
I think when he battles the Earth-2 Superman in Infinite Crisis #5, his powers will short circut, sort of like what happened when Supergirl and Power Girl fought each other. He'll get them back One Year Later, but in the meantime, all he can do is stand by helplessly and watch bad things happen. Plus there's another wrinkle...

3)Who wll become Mayor of a crime-riddled city??
Oliver Queen/Green Arrow
Although I wonder who his deputy mayor is going to be as well as his cabinet?

4)Who will have Amnesia and become unable to tell friend from for??
A)Martian Manhunter or
B)Aquaman
J'onn I could see losing his memory as a result of Alex Luthor's Anti-Matter mindwipe machine going haywire. And Aquaman losing his memory after the destruction of Atlantis...that would be cool too.

5)Who will take on the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU??
C)Kyle Rayner/Green Lantern
He's going to become Ion during Infinite Crisis and have his own series, and Ion is practically all-powerful.

6)Which hero will become a criminal in the eyes of the world??
B)Superman
Take a good look at the preview images for Superman One Year Later. Notice how he's only disguised as Clark Kent, with only the barest hint of his Superman costume showing? Why is Clark dressed in his civies when he could be wearing the Superman costume...unless because of the Earth-2 Superman, he gets blamed for something that he didn't do in a classic case of mistaken identity.

7)Which one of these heroes is the only one who'll be around after 'Infinite Crisis'?
C)Guy Gardner/Green Lantern
Based on the preview for the new Blue Beetle series, Guy Gardner is still a Green Lantern. I think Wally West will retire, Connor gets killed by the Earth Prime Superboy, and Dick temporarily hangs up his Nightwing costume and settles down with his new wife (Starfire perhaps?) until he realizes Jason Todd has stolen his identity and is trying to frame him.

9)Who's about to become the U.S Military's secret weapon?
C)Red Tornado
Based on the Wizard preview for 52, something big is going to be happening with this character during that series.

10)Which villian will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006?
C)Black Adam
After all, 52 is trying to make him "DC's Doctor Doom," even though they've already got Lex Luthor.

[GoldenAgeHero]

yeah poor conner. iw onder what evryone would think of superboy prime?

[kiuju2k]

I don't like superboy prime. He is superman. Just younger whereas Conner isn't completely superman hes part luthor. I want to see him stronger just in his own way. I would prefer him that way.


Unlike ya know supergirl who really has no real purpose on being back. Can somebody please explain to me her relevance to IC besides the kryptonite rocks that came to earth upon her arrival which was resolved right away?

[TheCorpulent1]

Firefly, episode "Jaynestown," actually. But to be honest, it's might just be a variation on some other theme.
Oh yeah, I remember that now. Damn good episode. Simon was hilarious. "I save lives, I patch up bullet wounds, stab wounds, concussions... and I'm on the run. He drops a box during a getaway and he gets a statue."

[Assassin]

dunno if any one posted it but the perez #7 cover is at newsarama

[jaydawg]

For some reason, I doubt thats the entire cover.

[BrianWilly]

Oh yeah, I remember that now. Damn good episode. Simon was hilarious. "I save lives, I patch up bullet wounds, stab wounds, concussions... and I'm on the run. He drops a box during a getaway and he gets a statue."You are awarded +9 virility points for having watched Firefly.

[TheCorpulent1]

You are awarded +9 virility points for having watched Firefly.
I watched the Serenity DVD about 4 times over the holidays, too. The gag reel is ****ing hilarious. :D

[BrianWilly]

"Jayne, try not to steal too much of their s**t!"

[Assassin]

ewww, you actually watched that movie?? for free??

[BrianWilly]

Well, no, I paid money.

[TheCorpulent1]

"Jayne, try not to steal too much of their s**t!"
The best part of that one was "Kaylee, find that kid who's takin' a dirt nap with baby Jesus. We'll need a hood ornament." :D

[Assassin]

****, they woulda had to pay me to see it, i'm not as brave as you

[BrianWilly]

And that's why we pity you:p.

For serious, though; you read comic books. We all do. What's the big deal about seeing a science fiction movie? Especially one that's been so lauded.

[Assassin]

because i hate star trek, it seemed too much like it, and the low budget commercials didnt help either

[BrianWilly]

Well it's pretty much nothing like Star Trek, I can tell you that; if anything, they took it intentionally in the direction of not being like Star Trek. As for the low-budget commercials...we all know how a lot of high budget movies turned out:cool:.

[That-Guy]

2)Which one of these heroes will be stripped of their powers?
A)Superman
I think when he battles the Earth-2 Superman in Infinite Crisis #5, his powers will short circut, sort of like what happened when Supergirl and Power Girl fought each other. He'll get them back One Year Later, but in the meantime, all he can do is stand by helplessly and watch bad things happen. Plus there's another wrinkle...


6)Which hero will become a criminal in the eyes of the world??
B)Superman
Take a good look at the preview images for Superman One Year Later. Notice how he's only disguised as Clark Kent, with only the barest hint of his Superman costume showing? Why is Clark dressed in his civies when he could be wearing the Superman costume...unless because of the Earth-2 Superman, he gets blamed for something that he didn't do in a classic case of mistaken identity.


I think you're right about these... one thing I wonder... since we have 2 Luthors now, one of which has god-like powers and has a Superman working for him (though possibly unknowngly), if "our" Supes loses his powers, does anyone else think we may see a non-powered Lex/de-powered Superman team-up? It would be really different to see Superman with no powers going up against Luthor with powers. Of course, we also know that Luthor is going to be more evil than ever, but that could be after the fact.

[That-Guy]

One more thing...

Does anyone else wonder if Alexander Luthor's new turn to the dark side might have something to do with Alexi Luthor of Earth 2? Perhaps when Robo-Brainiac "killed" him in Crisis of Infinite Earths, Alexi was actually somehow merged with Alexander Luthor and over time, gradually took him over. I don't know how this would really work, but if so, it would explain why Alex is so adamant about re-creating Earth 2 (it was Alexi's Earth), his new haircut (he looks more like Alexi now than Alex), possibly the way Alex could have been running the society and living in the "paradise" at the same time (someone with that much power and two separate personalities may be able to split in two), and Alex's comments to "our" Lex: "I'm you." and "I'm better." (Alex is the SON of Lex Luthor, but Alexi IS Lex Luthor, only smarter, and he knows it).

Just some food for thought. I'm probably totally wrong. I guess I just don't want Alex to turn out to be evil. I liked him in COIE.

[Tamanon]

Has anyone seen the Superboy Prime figure from IC....

It looks like he's wearing parts of the Anti-Monitor

SPOOKY

[That-Guy]

No... do you have a link to where I can find a picture of it?

[drastic_quench]

I can't find a picture of that anywhere.

[Tamanon]

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/action-figures/InCrisis-EPSuperboy.jpg

Was taken down from Silver Bullet's page, apparently on many other preview sites, that one is whited out.

[yenaled]

I have the picture.

Warning thought, big spoilers so don't moan if you open it.

It is situated here (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e273/toetap4/InCrisis-EPSuperboy.jpg).

[stillanerd]

Perhaps Alex Luthor gives Superboy-Prime a device to control Anti-Matter energy and boost his powers. As for why Alex seems to have turned to the dark side, well...Darkseid (sorry for the pun). Remember, Alex did get blasted by Darkseid's Omega Beams or Anti-Matter ray (I can't remember which) so he could use him as a conduit to destroy the Anti-Monitor. Perhaps that altered his personality make-up somehow. However, I'm going with the theory that both Alex and Superboy-Prime are unknowing pawns of the Anti-Monitor. They may think they're going to remake the universe in their image, but in really, their machine will reconstitute the Anti-Matter's body. And right now, his essence and energy could be residing in the Earth-2 Lois Lane.

[drastic_quench]

DC must've cracked down on that quickly it was edited out on all of the figure sites.

[DavidTyler]

I'm reading this but I've got to admit that I'm not crazy about the way it's going. I'm not looking forward to the rebirth of Earth 2 or anything from the Silver age.

This is a wait and see game for me.

[kiuju2k]

Oh now its gonna get good... nice pic of superboy

[stillanerd]

Seems somebody over at the DC message boards has an advance copy of Infinite Crisis #4. The person only posted part one of the issue, but it reveals just what Alex Luthor is really up to. Here's the link:

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000058882&tstart=0

[UK_Stu]

I would guess that Superboy prime is the new body for the anti-monitor based on the the figure. Or in fact he has been 'possessed by the anti monitor all this time and has been secretly influencing Alex Luthor

[Miss Webb]

Strange how the Luthors and Anti-Monitor seem to dominate all theories in crisis...there's gotta be more to it than that.

[stillanerd]

More spoilers for Infinite Crisis #4 (for those who can't wait for tomorrow):

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000058882&start=15&tstart=0

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000059003&tstart=0

apparently:

*Alex Luthor and Superboy Prime have been going back and forth between the paradise world and the merged Earth for years, while Kal-L was distracted by Lois' illness. They were the one's who recruited Psycho Pirate.
*Superboy Prime was the one who gave the Eclipso crystal to Jean Loring.
*Alex needed the universes magic to power his machine, which is why he wanted the Spectre to "eliminate" magic, who would be distracted via Psycho Pirate's mind-altering powers.
*Alex reprogramed the Brother Eye satellite.
*They also have the Anti-Monitor's corpse
*Connor loses to Superboy Prime, but the latter gets defeated by Wally.
*Crispus Allen is now the Spectre's new host!
*The Speed Force is GONE FOREVER!
*Barry Allen returns!
*So does the multiverse!

[Kurosawa]

One more thing...

Does anyone else wonder if Alexander Luthor's new turn to the dark side might have something to do with Alexi Luthor of Earth 2? Perhaps when Robo-Brainiac "killed" him in Crisis of Infinite Earths, Alexi was actually somehow merged with Alexander Luthor and over time, gradually took him over. I don't know how this would really work, but if so, it would explain why Alex is so adamant about re-creating Earth 2 (it was Alexi's Earth), his new haircut (he looks more like Alexi now than Alex), possibly the way Alex could have been running the society and living in the "paradise" at the same time (someone with that much power and two separate personalities may be able to split in two), and Alex's comments to "our" Lex: "I'm you." and "I'm better." (Alex is the SON of Lex Luthor, but Alexi IS Lex Luthor, only smarter, and he knows it).

Just some food for thought. I'm probably totally wrong. I guess I just don't want Alex to turn out to be evil. I liked him in COIE.

It would have been ruthless if Alexei had figured out a way to swap minds with Alexander Luthor without the younger Luthor knowing it, and then goaded Brainiac into killing him right as he made the switch, instantly killing Alexander. Alexei could have been posing as Alexander ever since, all with the purpose of killing Superman in as ruthless a way as imaginable.

Sounds just like our boys' M.O. to me. Alexei doesn't have the petty jealously stuff that the Earth-One and the Post-Crisis Lex has; Alexei is 100% pure evil and hate. There's nothing that he isn't capable of. He's damn near Red Skull level of evil.

[larryfilmmaker]

Damn, it's so hard to keep up with all these comics... I can't wait for the big, thick graphic novel that tells the whole story... will they ever have one? I gotta check out the old IC stories too.

[regwec]

Must...resist...spoilers...

[Tamanon]

Oh man.......glad it looks like not much exposition in this issue, just BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM of revelation and change after revelation. Can't wait to pick up my copy:)

[TheCorpulent1]

Must...resist...spoilers...
IC is so good it's surprisingly easy for me to resist spoilers. That's never happened to me before.

[Johnny DC]

Whoa. I've been avoiding these boards since I recently moved into college dorms and haven't been to the comic shop recently, but I just finally read IC #3. Unbelievably awesome. And #4 comes out tomorrow. Can't wait.

I left my comic collection at home. Can someone remind me what the last page of IC#2 showed?