The Infinite Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[droogiedroogie2]

apparently, you and drastic quence did'nt read the full sentence linternverde wrote, so no the money doesnt go anywhere.So here are the two options. Either I don't read a comic at all, and never know what happened in it, so my interest is never piqued in the character and I never WILL buy not only THAT comic, but no comic involving the character. I never become aware of it.

Or, we can be reasonable, and I can read a comic in the store. Maybe I still won't buy it.

If I'm not going to buy a comic either way, how 'bout you stop being an ******* and quit bothering me about downloading torrents or peaking in a comic book in the shop.

[LinternaVerde]

Torrents :D

when you live so far away from any comic book store, you don't have so many options...

[The Ether]

Yeah, I mean I could afford to keep up on some here and there, but the way I am I would be spending well over $100-$300 a month and I just can't afford to do that, so I come here and have you guys fill me in.

But after checking out IC #4 I may pick up that series :D :up:
I spend around $10 - $50 dollars when I go to a store.

[Anubis]

50-75 bucks a week right here. You got the right idea humbbug.

[Doc Destruction]

35-50 a week here.

[The Ether]

I spent most of my money on trades, so one trade a week and a couple of comics which kinda equals to less than 50 bucks a week

[GoldenAgeHero]

this is sad. i spend less then 70 bucks a month. i dont know how you people can afford to blow 300 bucks a month.

[Anubis]

I guess we have more disposable income.

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I'm sure this has been discussed in the Superman comics forum, but this directly ties to Infinite Crisis, so I'm gonna bring it up here.

Remember Batman's line from IC #1 about Superman not inspiring anyone since he was dead? (of course you do)

well, if you read Adventures of Superman, you know that Batman's comment has just been refuted 100%

[regwec]

Yes, it was dreadfully cheesey. I'm genuinely surprised that they went about it in such a ham-fisted manner.

[The Leaguer]

It was cheesy, yes, but I still thought it was emotional and fantastic.

[mathhater]

It was cheesy, yes, but I still thought it was emotional and fantastic.

ditto...

[Anubis]

Yeah, I loved it.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

this is sad. i spend less then 70 bucks a month. i dont know how you people can afford to blow 300 bucks a month.

I said if I could afford it, I never said I actually spend that much. Total net spending in a month for me

$0.

I can't afford to buy comics right now, I want other toys instead :D

[Donnie Darko]

I really liked the Adventures of Superman story, too... it really showed Superman as a symbol of hope and inspiration

[BrianWilly]

It's interesting that while Superman and Wonder Woman are being painted in a pretty unflattering light in IC, in their own books they've been coming across very, very well. It just goes to show that this one event can have many different interpretations depending on your point of view. From Batman's point of view Superman's a pu$$y and WW's a maniac, but from Wonder Woman's point of view she's being unfairly attacked, and so forth.

[That-Guy]

I haven't been reading Adventures. What's Superman been up to there and what have they done to make him really inspirational?


By the way... I don't think Crisis has been painting Supes or WW in a negative light at all... I think they're just attempting to establish realism. No one in the public eye, no matter how good or bad they are, is going to have 100% support or 100% opposition. People pick sides, regardless of which side is right and which is wrong. Okay yeah, Batman holds them both in comtempt right now, but considering that Batman holds pretty much everyone in contempt except for Dick apparently, and the fact that DC has actually stated that Batman is a "dick" and Crisis is going to fix that, I think we can assume that maybe Batman's opinion should be viewed as just that... an opinion. But put aside the watchtower confrontation scene in #1 and look at the other places where Superman and Wonder Woman show up in IC. Superman is seen briefly reflecting on his choices since his death and resurrection, but then he goes into action full force and doesn't appear to be taking a break... we see him keep a skyscraper from falling down, and the heroes whom he helps revere him with respect. There might have been a little more to that scene than meets the eye... I think they were trying to show that he is still an inspiration and that people are going to start realizing that again. Next we hear about him helping out in Bludhaven... we don't actually see him, but we know that he's there saving lives. As for Diana, she's battling a horde of OMACs while trying damn hard not to kill any of them because she knows there are innocent people inside, then she lets her sisters retreat from this plane of existance while she stays to fight. Sounds pretty honorable to me.

[Doc Destruction]

Honestly, I took that as him getting off his duff and BEING an inspiration. Really doing it. Not that people still viewed him that way.

I really dislike this age of making heros look like bums. I'm glad to see DC doing something about it.

[Anubis]

I haven't been reading Adventures. What's Superman been up to there and what have they done to make him really inspirational?


Next we hear about him helping out in Bludhaven... we don't actually see him, but we know that he's there saving lives.

Thats what the last issue of Adventures was about. Supes forcing Chemo to reform so he can clean out what was left of the city of the toxic chemicals. By doing so, he had to take a lot of physical punishment from Chemo in order to force him to reabsorb all his parts. Then he grabed him and left him in outter space.

As for Diana, she's battling a horde of OMACs while trying damn hard not to kill any of them because she knows there are innocent people inside, then she lets her sisters retreat from this plane of existance while she stays to fight. Sounds pretty honorable to me.

She got pulled out at the last minute by Athena and the rest of the gods, who basicly told her they were getting the hell out of this plane of exsistance. She of course decided to stay and defend against the Crisis. Then she went to tell her staff that they no longer had a job seeing as she is an ambassador without a country and what not. Before she left, she spoke to the people camped outside the embasy and their faith in her strengthed her resolve or whatever. So she's gone off to fight whatever it is that needs to be fought next.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

If I really want to start reading this series do I need or should pick up all related readings in corresponding comics?

[yenaled]

no, it's not needed at all.

some of the stuff is nice, gives background but on the whole nothing is essential.

[Anubis]

Just make sure you start at issue one of course.

[ToddIsDead]

I's suggest that you pick up some of the tie-ins if you want some good reading. It's not neccesarry and if you're strapped for cash, don't worry about it. I think the best tie-ins were Countdown to Infinite Crisis, Day of Vengence, Villians United, Identity Crisis, and JLA: Crisis of Conscience. If you want to read some of them, those are the ones I suggest, though they all were good.

[supermarvelman]

What exactly where pre Crisis Superman's powers and what exactly are they now

[BrlntDsgse]

What exactly where pre Crisis Superman's powers and what exactly are they now

Well, Pre-crisis Supes had all the same powers just at ridiculously higher levels. He could fly faster than the speed of light , fast enough to travel through time under his own power, and he was strong enough to shatter planets. Although I guess ONE power that Pre-crisis Supes had that the current one, to my knowledge has never been shown to have is Super-Ventriloquism, the ability to perfectly mimic any voice and to throw his voice perfectly enough that he could even make Lois think she was speaking on the telephone to Clark Kent while he was standing in the room as Superman to throw off suspicion.

[UK_Stu]

Ahh - classic pre crisis Superman - warms the cockles eh?

I remember one story, when Solomon grundy appeared in Metropolis and began turning it into a swamp. At this time Clark wasn't a reporter but a news channel anchorman. Edge wanted Clark to present the news live from the battleground between Grundy and Superman. How could Clark be in two places at once? Easy - He super hypnotised sports reporter Steve Lombard into thinking he was Clark, Super disguised Lombard so he was the spitting image of clark, then when off to fight grundy all within a few seconds!! After the battle he super - reversed it.

You just don't see Post-crisis Superman doing this enough, of course pre-crisis lois fell for all this as usual.

[Brian Braddock]

Ahh - classic pre crisis Superman - warms the cockles eh?

I remember one story, when Solomon grundy appeared in Metropolis and began turning it into a swamp. At this time Clark wasn't a reporter but a news channel anchorman. Edge wanted Clark to present the news live from the battleground between Grundy and Superman. How could Clark be in two places at once? Easy - He super hypnotised sports reporter Steve Lombard into thinking he was Clark, Super disguised Lombard so he was the spitting image of clark, then when off to fight grundy all within a few seconds!! After the battle he super - reversed it.

You just don't see Post-crisis Superman doing this enough, of course pre-crisis lois fell for all this as usual.

AH HA! - I remember that story well - it was reprinted in an 80's Superman annual over here in the UK. Excellent artwork by Jose Luis Garcia Lopez if I remember correctly (seem to remember an excellent panel where Supes has been slugged by Grundy right up in the air to up by the top of a building or something and Supes doesnt know whats hit him?!)

My mother gave it away years ago and I often think about that story - -Nice one Stu!!

[XFanTim]

What exactly where pre Crisis Superman's powers and what exactly are they now
super-weaving (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/6.html), super-landscaping (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/12.html), super-makeup (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/55.html), super-kisses (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/3.html) . . .

Not to mention, super-mathematics (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/2.html) (just like regular mathematics, only more wrong ;))

[TheCorpulent1]

super-weaving (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/6.html), super-landscaping (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/12.html), super-makeup (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/55.html), super-kisses (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/3.html) . . .

Not to mention, super-mathematics (http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/2.html) (just like regular mathematics, only more wrong ;))
You're such a math elitist, Tim. Oh, excuse me, Doctor Tim. ;)

[dmor173]

wheres captain marvel in all this?

I didint read day of vengence but i heard something happened there. I know shazam got whacked but if balck adam is still around so should captain marvel.

[Anubis]

Captain Marvel is the new source of magic. He's stuck in the rebuilt rock of Eternity just like the Old Man was.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Captain Marvel is the new source of magic. He's stuck in the rebuilt rock of Eternity just like the Old Man was. so is it just captain marvel or is it billy too?

[Anubis]

Well, I guess it's both. They really haven't gone into the whole thing really. I assume later in the Crisis or during 52. At this point we just don't really know that much.

[TheCorpulent1]

Captain Marvel is the new source of magic. He's stuck in the rebuilt rock of Eternity just like the Old Man was.
I don't think he's the new source of magic in general, just the new source of the Marvel family's magic. He's taken the position Shazam once filled, which means he's connected to the Rock and can't leave.

[Anubis]

Well, he's definatly a big part of the "New Magic" that they were yapping about. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[BrianWilly]

I think he's there mostly to keep the Seven Sins "and other powers" captive. He's not so much a source as he is the watchdog, but yeah he's a pretty big part of everything magic-wise.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Shazam wasn't a source of magic to anyone but the Marvel family while he was around, so I don't think Billy will be more than that. The way I understand the events of DoV is that the Spectre's killing the Lords of Order and Chaos has resulted in a breakdown of magic barriers. Before DoV all magic was based on Order ("light" magic, I guess you could say) and Chaos ("black" magic). Now there are no limitations or anything, resulting in all this "wild magic" everyone's talking about. There's no system to it, just ambient magic energy left in the wake of all the magic people and things the Spectre's destroyed.

[vog]

Captain Marvel is the new source of magic. He's stuck in the rebuilt rock of Eternity just like the Old Man was.

was shazam permanently stuck in the rock of eternity? i know i saw him come out to fight eclipso a few months back.

[Anubis]

I don't know, maybe an astral form?

[chrisandjess]

I've posted the rumor I heard from some friends on a couple other bulletins, but I'll post it again. Take this with a grain of salt, because until you see it in a comic things can change, but I heard Post crisis superman loses his solar based powers and becomes Supernova (in a nod to the old The nova Stories), Earth 2 supes becomes superman, Superboy prime returns from the speed force with someone lost to the speed force (my guess is Barry Allan), who talks some sense into the kid, who becomes the ONLY Superboy, and Conner becomes the new Nightwing, returning the moniker to it's Kryptonian roots. I don't know what happens to Dick, just that he's getting replaced as nightwing.But I've also heard that Dick and Bruce call a sort of ceasefire in the interim. But Remember these are just rumors that I heard, and hope are true, so don't quote me on them.

[hippie_hunter]

I've posted the rumor I heard from some friends on a couple other bulletins, but I'll post it again. Take this with a grain of salt, because until you see it in a comic things can change, but I heard Post crisis superman loses his solar based powers and becomes Supernova (in a nod to the old The nova Stories), Earth 2 supes becomes superman, Superboy prime returns from the speed force with someone lost to the speed force (my guess is Barry Allan), who talks some sense into the kid, who becomes the ONLY Superboy, and Conner becomes the new Nightwing, returning the moniker to it's Kryptonian roots. I don't know what happens to Dick, just that he's getting replaced as nightwing.But I've also heard that Dick and Bruce call a sort of ceasefire in the interim. But Remember these are just rumors that I heard, and hope are true, so don't quote me on them.

That.....would totally suck :down

[TheCorpulent1]

I've posted the rumor I heard from some friends on a couple other bulletins, but I'll post it again. Take this with a grain of salt, because until you see it in a comic things can change, but I heard Post crisis superman loses his solar based powers and becomes Supernova (in a nod to the old The nova Stories), Earth 2 supes becomes superman, Superboy prime returns from the speed force with someone lost to the speed force (my guess is Barry Allan), who talks some sense into the kid, who becomes the ONLY Superboy, and Conner becomes the new Nightwing, returning the moniker to it's Kryptonian roots. I don't know what happens to Dick, just that he's getting replaced as nightwing.But I've also heard that Dick and Bruce call a sort of ceasefire in the interim. But Remember these are just rumors that I heard, and hope are true, so don't quote me on them.
One of them's false right off the bat. It's been confirmed that Dick is the Nightwing who'll be leading the Outsiders after OYL. As for the others, if Conner gets screwed like that, I'll be pissed. If Barry Allen comes back, I'll be pissed. If the Earth-2 Superman takes over as the main Superman, I'll be pissed. Hmm... doesn't really look like we're on the same page in our hopes.

[Anubis]

Chrisandjess is it? Well, I hope all your hopes get crushed along with your dreams. Oh and welcome to the Hype! :)

[TimDrake64x]

he didnt say it was his hopes its just rumors hes heard

[Anubis]

But I've also heard that Dick and Bruce call a sort of ceasefire in the interim. But Remember these are just rumors that I heard, and hope are true, so don't quote me on them.

...:o

[GoldenAgeHero]

I've posted the rumor I heard from some friends on a couple other bulletins, but I'll post it again. Take this with a grain of salt, because until you see it in a comic things can change, but I heard Post crisis superman loses his solar based powers and becomes Supernova (in a nod to the old The nova Stories), Earth 2 supes becomes superman, Superboy prime returns from the speed force with someone lost to the speed force (my guess is Barry Allan), who talks some sense into the kid, who becomes the ONLY Superboy, and Conner becomes the new Nightwing, returning the moniker to it's Kryptonian roots. I don't know what happens to Dick, just that he's getting replaced as nightwing.But I've also heard that Dick and Bruce call a sort of ceasefire in the interim. But Remember these are just rumors that I heard, and hope are true, so don't quote me on them.


leave...just leave. and stop posting your shnitty ass rumors.

[Anubis]

Now thats just uncalled for.

[TimDrake64x]

ya, it really is

for anyone how has read the new robin, i dont normally but i just picked it up this week and i have a question. does speedy have h.i.v.?

[stillanerd]

ya, it really is

for anyone how has read the new robin, i dont normally but i just picked it up this week and i have a question. does speedy have h.i.v.?

I believe she does, yes, and I think it was first revealed in Green Arrow. Although I forget which issue.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, she's HIV-positive. She used to be a whore.

[Anubis]

The correct term is "Prostitute". But "hoe" is also acceptable.

[The Leaguer]

http://elliottmetal.net/general-info/gardenware/hoe.gif?

[Anubis]

Yes, like the garden tool, only they perform sex acts for money.

[The Leaguer]

Oh, so it's kind of like a ho, except with a fondness for gardening?

[UK_Stu]

:D LOL, nice play on words, thought you were serious at first.

Yeah Ho - as in prostitute - is from the old English - Hora

[Anubis]

Oh, so it's kind of like a ho, except with a fondness for gardening?

Yes, haven't you seen the plants she's arranged in Ollies apartment? Thats from years of being a "Hoe". Not to be confused with the "Back Hoe" whose duties we can't possibly describe on this family friendly webstie.

[supermarvelman]

In wizard 171 there is a question that asks

[supermarvelman]

In wizard 171 there is a question that asks

Which one of these heroes is only one who'll be around after infinite crisis?

A) Wally West / Flash
B) Conner Kent / Superboy
C) Guy Gardner / Green Lantern
D) Dick Grayson / Nightwing

It looks like Wally West probably wont around which sucks major ass, but its pretty tough for me to realize that Guy Gardener might not be a GL anymore, again, and if he is then Conner wont be SB anymore and Dick wont be NW anymore. People have speculated that Dick will in fact be NW. So then Guy will not be a GL anymore and Conner wont be SB that kinda sucks. What do you guys think?

[LinternaVerde]

in the blue beetle preview it's guy gardner with his gl ring
there are more nightwing comics after the crisis...

i think conner will pass by

[supermarvelman]

Which one of these Heroes will be stripped of their powers?

A) Superman
B) Wonder Women
C) Supergirl
D) Green Lantern/Hal Jordan

Who will have amnesia and become unable to tell friend from foe?

A) Martian Manhunter
B) Aquaman
C) The Atom
D) Elongated Man

Who will take the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU?

A) Booster Gold
B) Animal Man
C) Green Lantern/Kyle Rayner
D) Earth-2 Superman

Who will become a criminal in the eyes of the world?

A) Green Lantern/Hal Jordan
B) Superman
C) The Flash
D) Shazam/Cap Marvel

Who's about to become the U.S. military's secret weapon

A) Cyborg
B) Wonder Woman
C) Red Tornado
D) Green Lantern/John Stewart

Which villian will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006

A) Brainiac
B) Sinestro
C) Black Adam
D) Vandal Savage

[supermarvelman]

in the blue beetle preview it's guy gardner with his gl ring
there are more nightwing comics after the crisis...

i think conner will pass by

Only one of them will keep there superhero persona/powers its not just a maybe its a fact so it cant just conner

[TheCorpulent1]

In wizard 171 there is a question that asks

Which one of these heroes is only one who'll be around after infinite crisis?

A) Wally West / Flash
B) Conner Kent / Superboy
C) Guy Gardner / Green Lantern
D) Dick Grayson / Nightwing

It looks like Wally West probably wont around which sucks major ass, but its pretty tough for me to realize that Guy Gardener might not be a GL anymore, again, and if he is then Conner wont be SB anymore and Dick wont be NW anymore. People have speculated that Dick will in fact be NW. So then Guy will not be a GL anymore and Conner wont be SB that kinda sucks. What do you guys think?
I'm pretty sure it'll be Guy. Wally's already gone, I have a feeling the Titans may not be able to save Conner, and, although Dick WILL STILL BE NIGHTWING post-OYL (that he won't is easily the most persistent piece of misinformation I've seen lately), he won't be "around" in the sense that he and the Outsiders are going underground. The tagline for the Outsiders' post-OYL issue is something like, "It's One Year Later and the Outsiders no longer exist... unless they're coming for you."

[supermarvelman]

I'm pretty sure it'll be Guy. Wally's already gone, I have a feeling the Titans may not be able to save Conner, and, although Dick WILL STILL BE NIGHTWING post-OYL (that he won't is easily the most persistent piece of misinformation I've seen lately), he won't be "around" in the sense that he and the Outsiders are going underground. The tagline for the Outsiders' post-OYL issue is something like, "It's One Year Later and the Outsiders no longer exist... unless they're coming for you."

If your right thank god, but poor Wally

[Anubis]

Well, we all know he's not dead, so theres definatly a chance for him to comeback.

[supermarvelman]

who will get depowered who will have amnesia
what do you guys think

[Anubis]

Supergirl will get depowered when she and Powergirl are in the bottle city of Kandor. Though it could very well be Wonder Woman, if she doesn't die that is.

[supermarvelman]

who will have amnesia
who will take the mantle of most powerful hero in the DCU

[lceman]

who will have amnesia
who will take the mantle of most powerful hero in the DCU

Kyle becoming Ion becomes the most powerful hero in the DCU.

[regwec]

This is all speculation of course, but:

Which one of these Heroes will be stripped of their powers?

A) Superman
B) Wonder Women
C) Supergirl - More wishful thinking than anything.
D) Green Lantern/Hal Jordan

Who will have amnesia and become unable to tell friend from foe?

A) Martian Manhunter
B) Aquaman - Aquaman is a major character who has developed little so far in this crisis.
C) The Atom
D) Elongated Man

Who will take the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU?

A) Booster Gold
B) Animal Man
C) Green Lantern/Kyle Rayner - Ion, of course.
D) Earth-2 Superman

Who will become a criminal in the eyes of the world?

A) Green Lantern/Hal Jordan
B) Superman - Hal's been there, I can't see how The Flash could get there, and Cap would make a really lame public enemy.
C) The Flash
D) Shazam/Cap Marvel

Who's about to become the U.S. military's secret weapon

A) Cyborg - Just seems to fit.
B) Wonder Woman
C) Red Tornado
D) Green Lantern/John Stewart

Which villian will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006

A) Brainiac
B) Sinestro
C) Black Adam
D) Vandal Savage - He made an ominous exit from Villains United, and I expect him to do something nasty soon.

[supermarvelman]

Who is Catwomens baby's daddy gonna be

[GoldenAgeHero]

Which one of these Heroes will be stripped of their powers?

A) Superman
B) Wonder Women
C) Supergirl
D) Green Lantern/Hal Jordan

Who will have amnesia and become unable to tell friend from foe?

A) Martian Manhunter
B) Aquaman
C) The Atom
D) Elongated Man

Who will take the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU?

A) Booster Gold
B) Animal Man
C) Green Lantern/Kyle Rayner
D) Earth-2 Superman

Who will become a criminal in the eyes of the world?

A) Green Lantern/Hal Jordan
B) Superman
C) The Flash
D) Shazam/Cap Marvel

Who's about to become the U.S. military's secret weapon

A) Cyborg
B) Wonder Woman
C) Red Tornado
D) Green Lantern/John Stewart

Which villian will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006

A) Brainiac
B) Sinestro
C) Black Adam
D) Vandal Savage

how th hell does vandal savage have that kind of power to destroy another country. BS

[regwec]

Do you actually know who Vandal Savage is?

[Anubis]

What? You think a guy like that can't get ahold of a Nuke or something?

[TheCorpulent1]

I could see John Stewart becoming the US military's secret weapon in an attempt to make him more like his animated counterpart if Hal hadn't already gone and joined the Air Force. Having both of the official 2814 GLs as military men seems like overkill, though.

I'd love to see the Manhunter lose his memory. We've already seen how badass a villain he can be, and having amnesia prevent him from joining Meltzer's upcoming JLA would make his absence a little easier for me to swallow.

The Flash seems likeliest as the criminal to me. Perhaps the Flash who shows up post-OYL is less than reputable. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, since Walter was an enemy of the state in his reality.

[Binker]

On IC-related, with the first two issues to 52 already solicated, will you guys get the series or skip it and just read the stories OYL?

[Anubis]

I'm getting the series.

[TimDrake64x]

me 2

[Doomed_hero]

Which one of these Heroes will be stripped of their powers?
B) Wonder Women
Supes is to important, Supergurl is new(well this one) and Hal just came back, with no word on WW after Crisis I say its her

Who will have amnesia and become unable to tell friend from foe?

A) Martian Manhunter
Just have a feeling, hes caught and would be important in ridding so the JLA had trouble forming again

Who will take the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU?

C) Green Lantern/Kyle Rayner

Pretty much confirmed for the most part

Who will become a criminal in the eyes of the world?

B) Superman

More hoping, I always thought it would be a intresting story. Plus some may blame him thinking hes the other two Supes

Who's about to become the U.S. military's secret weapon

C) Red Tornado

Fell apart not to long ago and hasnt shown up, plus cyborg, the other option imo is in space


Which villian will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006

D) Vandal Savage

Just seems like his character


thats my peice

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Are they going to collect all of the cross over comics related to the series as well in a TPB? Or just the main series of IC after it's over?

[Green Lantern]

Which one of these Heroes will be stripped of their powers?

A) Superman
B) Wonder Women because the Hal and Kara just came back, and I don't see Supes losing his powers. Plus we know that Kara will be having a big part in two OYL titles, (her own and LOSH)
C) Supergirl
D) Green Lantern/Hal Jordan

Who will have amnesia and become unable to tell friend from foe?

A) Martian Manhunter just seems the most likely and the one that would be the best story.
B) Aquaman
C) The Atom
D) Elongated Man

Who will take the mantle as the most powerful hero in the DCU?

A) Booster Gold
B) Animal Man
C) Green Lantern/Kyle Rayner if this one isn't obvious by now, you just aren't paying attention.
D) Earth-2 Superman

Who will become a criminal in the eyes of the world?

A) Green Lantern/Hal Jordan
B) Superman
C) The Flash This is the only one I'm not to sure about, it could be either Supes or Flash
D) Shazam/Cap Marvel

Who's about to become the U.S. military's secret weapon

A) Cyborg
B) Wonder Woman
C) Red Tornado
D) Green Lantern/John Stewart Like was said, it would make him more like his animated (and much more interesting) counterpart. Anything that would make John a better character is a welcome addition in my book.

Which villian will destroy an entire country and kill millions in 2006

A) Brainiac
B) Sinestro
C) Black Adam I see him going too far to protect Khandaq and completely wiping out one of his country's enemies. Maybe Quaraq?
D) Vandal Savage...

[GoldenAgeHero]

Do you actually know who Vandal Savage is?


he's the midget dude who can manipulate people.

[GoldenAgeHero]

What? You think a guy like that can't get ahold of a Nuke or something?


a nuke cant destory an entire country, a city or two but not a country.

[GoldenAgeHero]

On IC-related, with the first two issues to 52 already solicated, will you guys get the series or skip it and just read the stories OYL?


im getting 52 and the oyls.

[UK_Stu]

he's the midget dude who can manipulate people.
No he's not!!! :rolleyes:

[UK_Stu]

a nuke cant destory an entire country, a city or two but not a country.

Well that would depend of the size of the country and its population... so of course it could.

[ToddIsDead]

he's the midget dude who can manipulate people.

That's Dr. Psycho, not Vandal Savage.

[That-Guy]

So what are everyone's predictions for issue # 5? Do you think anyone else will die? Do you think we'll learn anything new about Alex and the other COIE leftovers?

Here are some thoughts I had...

We know that there will be a confrontation between the two Supermen. The cover also suggest that the two will fight. However, covers are often misleading... the IC ones seem to have been fairly accurate though. So I think its safe to say they'll duke it out. What will become of it? I'm not sure... its seems that the strength levels E2 Supes and Modern Age Supes aren't very clear right now. I think what will make this fight interesting though isn't so much who will win, but how the winner goes about winning. Would E2 Supes really kill MA Supes? Depending on what happens with IC, he may have to to replace him... but can a guy who prides himself on having such high morals actually go through with that? And if he can... is something influencing him? And if MA Supes wins... what will he do with E2 Supes?

I'm almost positive that the "transformed villain" we read about in the preview will be Superboy Prime, decked out in Anti-Monitor armor. How he gets it, I'm not quite sure, but simply judging by the way that action figure looks and the way he acted in the last comic, I don't think he's going to be reverting back to "hero" status anytime soon. But I do think that his mumbling and bizarre outburst are happening for a reason... I'm pretty sure that something more than just teen angst and being stuck with a half-changed voice for the last 20 years has gotten ahold of him.

After what happened in the Rann/Than special, I think we're going to be treated to a battle royale between Ion and Alex (or at least, Alex's hands) with Ion emerging victorious. However, I don't think Alex will be down for the count and if he is, then I think its safe to assume that there is a greater villain in IC... maybe just Superboy Prime with his AM armor... but I think there's still someone we haven't seen yet like Brainiac or the Earth 2 Lex Luthor.

[ToddIsDead]

I just hope it's as good as the previous issues have been.

[Anubis]

a nuke cant destory an entire country, a city or two but not a country.

First of all, that depends on the size of a country. Like say the country Black Adam currently rules over, Kandaq? ;)

And second your thinking about Dr. Psyco. Vandal Savage is an immortal.

[Doomed_hero]

I am still guessing it will be E2 Superman who takes out Alex when he learns what he is doing. Seems like the obivious chioce right now. I just can't wait to see Batman, Booster Gold and Lantern lead the team to take out the Omacs. Looking foward to some resoultion of Batman and GL since Rebirth.

[yenaled]

Lee's IC #5 Cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCR_Cv5_Lee.jpg

I've been a stern collector of Perez's covers...

but I don't think I can pass up a Booster Cover.

[ToddIsDead]

I've got two Perez, and two Lee covers. The first four issues were easy to pick but both of the covers for 5 are awesome. I'll probably get the Perez though.

[Lackey]

what does Perez's #5 cover look like?

[Doomed_hero]

I kinda regret not getting the Perez cover for #1 cause it looks more epic to me then Lee's cover. But I have mostly been going Lee,perez, Lee, Perez, so I guess Lee for #5. Just wish Hal was on there to since he is spouse to help lead that team.

[yenaled]

Yeah, I would love Hal on there and not Batman. I'm so fed up of seeing Lee draw Batman. But Booster!

Missing Skeets though :(

Lackey;

http://www.dc-comics.com/media/covers/4812_400x600.jpg

[Doomed_hero]

Ya well on the preview it said Hal, Batman and Booster where going to lead a team of heroes against the Omac Sat. so i dont mind Batman, nor the New Beetle but still, I wanna see Lee's Hal Jordan and am kinda, as I said before, expecting a resoultion of the Hal/ Batman fued.

[The Leaguer]

Lee's IC #5 Cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCR_Cv5_Lee.jpg

I've been a stern collector of Perez's covers...

but I don't think I can pass up a Booster Cover.
That's awesome, but it obviously isn't complete. I wonder if there's going to be more characters behind them.

[Lackey]

thanks, yenaled

from those two, I like Jim Lee's cover better... I think the last two I chose Lee over Perez also, they just had more meaning to them.

[Lackey]

Ya well on the preview it said Hal, Batman and Booster where going to lead a team of heroes against the Omac Sat. so i dont mind Batman, nor the New Beetle but still, I wanna see Lee's Hal Jordan and am kinda, as I said before, expecting a resoultion of the Hal/ Batman fued.


you may want to look at the next issue of Green Lantern for that.

http://dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4823

[Brian Braddock]

Lee's IC #5 Cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCR_Cv5_Lee.jpg

I've been a stern collector of Perez's covers...

but I don't think I can pass up a Booster Cover.

Nice cover - Batman looks good and BB look so well rendered (and cool to boot!) .....but why does Booster look like hes been drawn by Liefield? c'mon Lee - you're better than that!!! ;)

[The Batman]

Anyone else buy a cover in patterns? This is how i planned it:

Issue 1: Lee cover

2: Perez

3: Lee

4: Perez

5: Lee

6: Perez

7: Lee

So, looks like i'm getting the lee cover for five, and it looks pretty sweet too

[Ultimate_Superman]

I just get both. The Lee ones I read the Perez ones I never open.

[regwec]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCR_Cv5_Lee.jpg
Is it me, or does the new Blue Beetle have a slightly Aztec look? Is this intended to reflect the new bearer of the monika's heritage? It looks great, even if it is impossible to look cooler than Lee's Batman.

[Banshee]

I get both covers.
Issue 1- Perezs art just seemed off to me, I like Lees more.
2- Perez is much better, reminicent of the first crisis
3- I liked both, but Perez's probably wins for sentimental value
4- Same as 3
5- Perez's strikes my fancy much more

[BrianWilly]

I've been getting all Perez covers up until now...but Lee's #4 sorely tempted me, and I'm seriously considering this #5, too. Booster, Bats, and Beetle...it just looks so awesome.

[newmexneon]

I got both for all the covers and will get both for the rest of them.

[TimDrake64x]

who is this blue beetle guy?



i think this is my 1000 post so yay!

[Anubis]

A Mexican American Student from El Paso, Texas

http://comics.ign.com/articles/677/677823p1.html

[chrisandjess]

Doubt it on both counts. CM3 has to join the Teen Titans first before becoming Captain Marvel if the Titans of Tommorrow story will come to be. And bringing Barry Allen back from the dead is a crimehe was a member of both titans and young justice, I thought?

[Octoberist]

I've got three questions. I'm a bit lost on what the heck is going on..

1.) Does Brainaic have a role? If not, are there any foreshadowing to an appearance?

2.) What is the status of Donna Troy?

3.) And of course, where's the Joker.

thanks.

[The Leaguer]

In regards to covers, I buy both, but always like the Lee ones better.

[UK_Stu]

Nice covers again - Its great when great covers also have great stories.

I've been Perez all the way so far, and I think I'll continue to be so.

[That-Guy]

I've got three questions. I'm a bit lost on what the heck is going on..

1.) Does Brainaic have a role? If not, are there any foreshadowing to an appearance?

2.) What is the status of Donna Troy?

3.) And of course, where's the Joker.

thanks.


1. As of yet, I don't believe so. I haven't read any of the recent Superman books, (*though he did "appear" in Sacrifice, but that was actually a delusion in Superman's mind created by Max Lord) so I can't be sure, though. But he hasn't shown up in the IC mini yet and I don't believe he's been mentioned anywhere else; not even as a member of the Society. I hope this is all for a reason and we're going to see him do something MAJOR by the end of this series though (and he SHOULD, considering his large role in COIE)... however, it wouldn't surprise me if DC is just underusing him like they've consistantly done for the past 20 years.

2. Donna is out in Space with Kyle Raynor, Hawkman, and a bunch of other heroes investigating the hole in space and the giant hands. Check out the Rann/Thanagar War Special for details. I'd tell you more, but I don't want to spoil it for you.

3. The Joker showed up in IC#2 (at least I think it was 2) and he tortured and killed the Royal Flush gang. Before the last one of them died, he told the Joker that the Society didn't want him because he was too crazy. He was not pleased. He also recently showed up in Batman and has been captured (again) by the Red Hood.

[raybia]

A Mexican American Student from El Paso, Texas

http://comics.ign.com/articles/677/677823p1.html


Can someone tell me what the powers and abilities of the new Blue Beetle are. What is his personal mission and where will be his base of operations?

[regwec]

We have yet to find out. Patience!

[Mee]

So when is #5 coming out? On DC's site it says March 1st but that means no issues in Febuary. Why skip a month? Was it delayed?

[regwec]

February is a short month.

[joke]

It was delayed a week, so March 1st.

[Green Lantern]

1. As of yet, I don't believe so. I haven't read any of the recent Superman books, (*though he did "appear" in Sacrifice, but that was actually a delusion in Superman's mind created by Max Lord) so I can't be sure, though. But he hasn't shown up in the IC mini yet and I don't believe he's been mentioned anywhere else; not even as a member of the Society. I hope this is all for a reason and we're going to see him do something MAJOR by the end of this series though (and he SHOULD, considering his large role in COIE)... however, it wouldn't surprise me if DC is just underusing him like they've consistantly done for the past 20 years.

2. Donna is out in Space with Kyle Raynor, Hawkman, and a bunch of other heroes investigating the hole in space and the giant hands. Check out the Rann/Thanagar War Special for details. I'd tell you more, but I don't want to spoil it for you.

3. The Joker showed up in IC#2 (at least I think it was 2) and he tortured and killed the Royal Flush gang. Before the last one of them died, he told the Joker that the Society didn't want him because he was too crazy. He was not pleased. He also recently showed up in Batman and has been captured (again) by the Red Hood.2 versions of Brainiac were involved in the Insiders arc of TT/Outsiders ;)

So when is #5 coming out? On DC's site it says March 1st but that means no issues in Febuary. Why skip a month? Was it delayed? We also get two in April so don't complain too much

[yenaled]

it seems to be jumping about all over the place at the moment.

Hopefully it will still be out on 22nd Feb, but will just have to wait for Diamond.

[kidslaureate]

does anyone have any scans of the cover of #5 by jim lee, and can sumpne please just give me atotal decent revision of what has happened so far.:O :up:

[UK_Stu]

Jim Lee's cover was posted a few posts ago see above

[kidslaureate]

o rite- thanks

[Binker]

Why is it delayed?!

My March list keeps enlarging, then I can't get it.

What is their problem?

[That-Guy]

2 versions of Brainiac were involved in the Insiders arc of TT/Outsiders ;)



Whoops... sorry, I don't read either of those books. What happened there? What did he do?

[yenaled]

Well as for IC, we know it is done and drawn... so not sure. Maybe there is a problem with printing, or maybe because of both #3 and #4 are sold out and DC are sending it back to print they want to get reissues pushed through and in shops fo rpeople to read before #5.

[palin]

ok i got a question that hasnt bee asked yet, it not really relivent to Ic but i was readin COIE and i was wondering what ever happend to the female Dr.light?

[palin]

sorry for the double post but i just read somthing....... ok im not to shure on how to do this but someone on pg 74 giing thire ideas on whats goin to happen (SBP being the anti-monitor) he said that earth 2 lex luthor will mak an apperancd but he was killed by brainiac during COIE and the on thing they seem to stick to is the deaths that happened the.... just my 2 cents

[yenaled]

OK, I can't read your second post, but the female Doctor Light was last seen in Green Arrow where she was attacked by the male Dr. Light who drained her of her powers.

[palin]

thast ok i just cant figure out how to quote someone

but That-guy said- So what are everyone's predictions for issue # 5? Do you think anyone else will die? Do you think we'll learn anything new about Alex and the other COIE leftovers?

Here are some thoughts I had...

We know that there will be a confrontation between the two Supermen. The cover also suggest that the two will fight. However, covers are often misleading... the IC ones seem to have been fairly accurate though. So I think its safe to say they'll duke it out. What will become of it? I'm not sure... its seems that the strength levels E2 Supes and Modern Age Supes aren't very clear right now. I think what will make this fight interesting though isn't so much who will win, but how the winner goes about winning. Would E2 Supes really kill MA Supes? Depending on what happens with IC, he may have to to replace him... but can a guy who prides himself on having such high morals actually go through with that? And if he can... is something influencing him? And if MA Supes wins... what will he do with E2 Supes?

I'm almost positive that the "transformed villain" we read about in the preview will be Superboy Prime, decked out in Anti-Monitor armor. How he gets it, I'm not quite sure, but simply judging by the way that action figure looks and the way he acted in the last comic, I don't think he's going to be reverting back to "hero" status anytime soon. But I do think that his mumbling and bizarre outburst are happening for a reason... I'm pretty sure that something more than just teen angst and being stuck with a half-changed voice for the last 20 years has gotten ahold of him.

After what happened in the Rann/Than special, I think we're going to be treated to a battle royale between Ion and Alex (or at least, Alex's hands) with Ion emerging victorious. However, I don't think Alex will be down for the count and if he is, then I think its safe to assume that there is a greater villain in IC... maybe just Superboy Prime with his AM armor... but I think there's still someone we haven't seen yet like Brainiac or the Earth 2 Lex Luthor.

in COIE lex of earth 2 was killed by brainiac that's all i was saing, so i dont think well see him any time soon..... can someone pm me to tell me how to get the quote box workin i cant find out how to do....(just a simple newbie tryin to post with the big boys i guess)

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

thast ok i just cant figure out how to quote someone

but That-guy said- So what are everyone's predictions for issue # 5? Do you think anyone else will die? Do you think we'll learn anything new about Alex and the other COIE leftovers?

Here are some thoughts I had...

We know that there will be a confrontation between the two Supermen. The cover also suggest that the two will fight. However, covers are often misleading... the IC ones seem to have been fairly accurate though. So I think its safe to say they'll duke it out. What will become of it? I'm not sure... its seems that the strength levels E2 Supes and Modern Age Supes aren't very clear right now. I think what will make this fight interesting though isn't so much who will win, but how the winner goes about winning. Would E2 Supes really kill MA Supes? Depending on what happens with IC, he may have to to replace him... but can a guy who prides himself on having such high morals actually go through with that? And if he can... is something influencing him? And if MA Supes wins... what will he do with E2 Supes?

I'm almost positive that the "transformed villain" we read about in the preview will be Superboy Prime, decked out in Anti-Monitor armor. How he gets it, I'm not quite sure, but simply judging by the way that action figure looks and the way he acted in the last comic, I don't think he's going to be reverting back to "hero" status anytime soon. But I do think that his mumbling and bizarre outburst are happening for a reason... I'm pretty sure that something more than just teen angst and being stuck with a half-changed voice for the last 20 years has gotten ahold of him.

After what happened in the Rann/Than special, I think we're going to be treated to a battle royale between Ion and Alex (or at least, Alex's hands) with Ion emerging victorious. However, I don't think Alex will be down for the count and if he is, then I think its safe to assume that there is a greater villain in IC... maybe just Superboy Prime with his AM armor... but I think there's still someone we haven't seen yet like Brainiac or the Earth 2 Lex Luthor.

in COIE lex of earth 2 was killed by brainiac that's all i was saing, so i dont think well see him any time soon..... can someone pm me to tell me how to get the quote box workin i cant find out how to do....(just a simple newbie tryin to post with the big boys i guess)
[QUOTE=palin ] [/QUOTE ] just take out the spaces or your can just click the quote button.

[Anubis]

Or you could just go to the post you want to quote and click the "Quote" button at the bottom right of the post.

[That-Guy]

in COIE lex of earth 2 was killed by brainiac that's all i was saing, so i dont think well see him any time soon..... can someone pm me to tell me how to get the quote box workin i cant find out how to do....(just a simple newbie tryin to post with the big boys i guess)

Yeah, I know he was apparently killed back then, but if you look back a few pages, someone had suggested that Brainiac may not have actually killed E2 Luthor and just teleported him somewhere else. It seems unlikely (I'm pretty sure that when the original story was written, Brainiac's blast killed him, but DC has been known to pull the old "hahaha! You only THOUGHT he was dead" routine quite a bit). There was some discussion that perhaps Brainiac sent that Luthor into the the paradise dimension before Alex got there and somehow figured out how to corrupt him, or perhaps was merged with Alex without Alex's knowledge and gradually took him over (i.e. the Parallax effect).

[supermarvelman]

I was on DCcomics.com and i was looking at all the previews and covers for the next couple months, and i think it was Superman and the preview said something about Metropolis saying good bye to a hero it also says GL will make clark an offer, but i think Clark turns it down.
You guys think Superman looses his powers and Hal offers him to be a Green Lantern, if Kyle Rayner becomes Ion which he is there would be room for another GL, but i get the impression that if all thats true clark turns down Hal's offer.

[supermarvelman]

Issue's 650 - 651

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

I was on DCcomics.com and i was looking at all the previews and covers for the next couple months, and i think it was Superman and the preview said something about Metropolis saying good bye to a hero it also says GL will make clark an offer, but i think Clark turns it down.
You guys think Superman looses his powers and Hal offers him to be a Green Lantern, if Kyle Rayner becomes Ion which he is there would be room for another GL, but i get the impression that if all thats true clark turns down Hal's offer.
well it looks like the man of steel will find a horeses head in his bed.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Or you could just go to the post you want to quote and click the "Quote" button at the bottom right of the post.
thats what i said did you not read my post.?

[supermarvelman]

well it looks like the man of steel will find a horeses head in his bed.

Okay

[ToddIsDead]

It's a Godfather refereance.

[TheCorpulent1]

I was on DCcomics.com and i was looking at all the previews and covers for the next couple months, and i think it was Superman and the preview said something about Metropolis saying good bye to a hero it also says GL will make clark an offer, but i think Clark turns it down.
You guys think Superman looses his powers and Hal offers him to be a Green Lantern, if Kyle Rayner becomes Ion which he is there would be room for another GL, but i get the impression that if all thats true clark turns down Hal's offer.
Kyle's becoming Ion doesn't open up room for another GL on Earth. Hal and John are the GLs assigned to sector 2814, and they're both still fine. Kyle and Guy, along with Kilowog, were helping the Guardians by basically acting as their special task force assigned to missions too tough for the average GL to handle.

[Anubis]

thats what i said did you not read my post.?

Actually....no. I didn't. :)

[palin]

thanks guys......i honestly think poor lex 2 was vaporised..... but its posible that alex is being influanced by the anti monitor... i mean look at how hard it was to kill him, the only problem i can c is whats in it for him if hes recreating the multiverse?

[TimDrake64x]

quick question.

why is superboy-prime, called spuerboy-prime?

[palin]

quick question.

why is superboy-prime, called spuerboy-prime?

quick answer superboy prime is from "our" earth, witch was distroyed during the crisis on infinit earths, witch infinit crisis is a sequal to

[Hellstormer]

I have a question does anyone know how the hell they're gonna be doing TPBs for this I mean I already have all 6 of te mini series leading to this in TPB form but how are they going to do the core with all these tie-in issues? And will 52 be coming out as trades?

[Binker]

The TPB, which will be released June/July, seem to be the core issues. But I wish, as I stated on their forum site days before the tpb was announced, they would include the tie ins as well. But I don't know if they're 100% NEEDED.

So I don't know.

[Anubis]

They're probally just gonna have the main issues. I hope they include all the Specials like Day of Vengence and Rann.Thannagar which were very important to the over all story. So thats like seven issues plus four tie ins. Don't know if thats the way they are gonna go though. 52 will likely come out in Volumes. How many remains to be seen.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Crisis on Infinite Earths has its entire 12 issues collected into a single volume. It would be a nice companion piece if Countdown, the 7-issue Infinite Crisis mini, and the 4 specials were all collected into a single volume as well.

[Binker]

They're probally just gonna have the main issues. I hope they include all the Specials like Day of Vengence and Rann.Thannagar which were very important to the over all story. So thats like seven issues plus four tie ins. Don't know if thats the way they are gonna go though. 52 will likely come out in Volumes. How many remains to be seen.

Well out of the total of 52 issues, I believe it'll be 4 issues in one book each making it 13 volumes total. I did the math.

[Anubis]

That makes sense.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why would they only put 4 issues in one book? What a waste.

[Anubis]

Wouldn't be the first time. The first two Trades for Morrison's JLA run were just four issues apeice.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wouldn't be the first time. The first two Trades for Morrison's JLA run were just four issues apeice.
That doesn't make it any less of a waste. DC generally puts at least six issues into the vast majority of their TPBs, too, unless they're for a mini-series with fewer issues or something. If they know in advance that the series is going to be 52 issues long and they're not even going to be releasing TPBs until all the individual issues are out, it seems more likely that they'd put a lot of them together in a set. 13 volumes is a bit unwieldy for a set. Although, it is impossible to divide 52 evenly into anything other than itself, 13, 4, and 1...

[Green Lantern]

That doesn't make it any less of a waste. DC generally puts at least six issues into the vast majority of their TPBs, too, unless they're for a mini-series with fewer issues or something. If they know in advance that the series is going to be 52 issues long and they're not even going to be releasing TPBs until all the individual issues are out, it seems more likely that they'd put a lot of them together in a set. 13 volumes is a bit unwieldy for a set. Although, it is impossible to divide 52 evenly into anything other than itself, 13, 4, and 1...Quarterly volumes of 13 issues anyone? ;)

[TheCorpulent1]

Quarterly volumes of 13 issues anyone? ;)
Actually, while I was typing all that I realized that it'd be pretty cool if they released each volume by month. January has issues 1 through 4, February issues 5 through 7, March issues 8 through 12, etc. I don't quite know what they'd do with that extra week, though...

[Hellstormer]

If they put them outin comic book format with four issues and just make them 5.99 a piece that would be nice. I hope the Specials aren't put into tpb form I already bought the first two seperately

[Anubis]

They could just shove more issues into various volumes.

[TheCorpulent1]

If they put them outin comic book format with four issues and just make them 5.99 a piece that would be nice. I hope the Specials aren't put into tpb form I already bought the first two seperately
They'd be losing a lot of money on that. $5.99 is a buck more than what 2 issues of 52 would cost.

[Hellstormer]

Well I know when I bought my JLA: New World ORder tpb it was 7.99

[Anubis]

Me too. And on the back it only says 6 bucks in the us. I got ripped off! :mad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well I know when I bought my JLA: New World ORder tpb it was 7.99
That's about right. JLA started coming out in 1996, before prices were as high as they are now. $8 for 4 issues = $2 an issue. The individual issues back then were $1.95.

[Emerald Knight]

Well, Crisis on Infinite Earths has its entire 12 issues collected into a single volume. It would be a nice companion piece if Countdown, the 7-issue Infinite Crisis mini, and the 4 specials were all collected into a single volume as well.

I think that they would leave out the Countdown, and instead have the Infinite Crisis Secret Files wouldn't they? It would still balance out as 12 issues.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, I guess. Is Countdown collected in something else?

[Green Lantern]

Countdown is in OMAC

[Arkady Rossovich]

There was a Countdown to Infinate Crisis,which was a 80 page book.It only costed me 1.00 US.That was a good read.

[XFanTim]

quick question.

why is superboy-prime, called spuerboy-prime?
For more info on the various versions of Superboy, have a look at this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy).

[KrypJonian]

Speaking of S-Prime, has anyone seen that figure in Previews that looks like an undead Superboy in the Anti-Monitor's armor?

I think we may have a villain right thar

[Anubis]

He likely wont survive the Crisis.

[TheCorpulent1]

He likely wont survive the Crisis.
I certainly hope he doesn't. After all the carnage he's left in his wake, I'd say someone needs to put that dumbass out of his and everyone else's misery.

[KrypJonian]

I certainly hope he doesn't. After all the carnage he's left in his wake, I'd say someone needs to put that dumbass out of his and everyone else's misery.
I wish they could find a cool place for him. I went back and re-read the old CRISIS and realized how cheated he was. He barely did anything. When he tried to help old Supes in the end he almost got killed and that was about it. Now they bring him back and he goes nuts and kills a bunch of Titans.

I know it would be dumb if they kept him around as S-Boy, but I wouldn't mind seeing him as a villain.

Does anyone have any insight as to why there's a toy being made of him in some Anti Monitor gear?

[TheCorpulent1]

I never had any attachment to Superboy Prime. I just want him to be killed off and forget about him, really. Bastard tore the Titans apart, literally.

[Binker]

Does anyone have any insight as to why there's a toy being made of him in some Anti Monitor gear?

That is a toy being released before the the series ends because its a huge spoiler.

[Anubis]

If I wanna read about a good Superboy Prime I'll read Superman Secret Identity agian. Bury the crazy bastard. He's not even the endering kinda crazy like the Joker. Just an annoying self rightous type of Crazy. Like Pro Lifers and "Fundamentalists" of anything.

[TheCorpulent1]

It wasn't so much the grotesque maiming and killing of some Titans that bothered me about him as it was the whole "You're MAKING me BAD!" spiel. He's like emo incarnate, and nobody likes emo. :o

[TimDrake64x]

i actually like sb-prime. the ur making me bad thing was like they saw themselves as perfect on their earth but being around the corruption of our earth changed him.

i think hes a very interesting character and i hope he stays around as a villian

[TheCorpulent1]

i actually like sb-prime. the ur making me bad thing was like they saw themselves as perfect on their earth but being around the corruption of our earth changed him.

i think hes a very interesting character and i hope he stays around as a villian
He was never perfect on his world. Superboy Prime is, at best, a mentally afflicted lackey who went off the deep end because he couldn't deal with the fact that his life was cut short, which is just kind of pathetic. He's basically trying to steal back the sacrifice he made in the original Crisis, which makes him about as far from heroic as you can possibly be. The corruption of Earth didn't change him, his own selfishness and Alex Luthor's manipulations did.

[DavidTyler]

So, where is this all going? What are we going to be left with? Already I'm seeing influences from the Donner film with the 'plate of glass' Phantom Zone.

[Hellstormer]

I don't get why the Doom Patrol suddenly remembered everything is that a hint of what's to come? (I.E. everyone remembering everything.)

[DavidTyler]

I think the DP remembering everything is just a preliminary step to sorting what DC wants to keep and what they want to do away with. ... or assign to Earth 2 .. if they intend to bring THAT back.

I hope not.

I like the JSA and the JLA sharing the one world and interacting.

[Anubis]

It was DC's way of reversing that dumbass mistake they made when they retconned away the Doom Patrol's history so Byrne could make a crappy series from scratch. And I thank God that they finally did so.

[palin]

is there a like to this pic of superboy in the anti-monitors armor?

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the DP remembering everything is just a preliminary step to sorting what DC wants to keep and what they want to do away with. ... or assign to Earth 2 .. if they intend to bring THAT back.

I hope not.

I like the JSA and the JLA sharing the one world and interacting.
It's looking more and more to me like Infinite Crisis is basically just an in-continuity reboot that will ultimately end in one Earth where the 4 "architects"--Morrison, Waid, Rucka, and Johns--can pick and choose whatever they want from all the existing continuity, both post-CoIE and pre-CoIE.

[The Red Skull]

It's looking more and more to me like Infinite Crisis is basically just an in-continuity reboot that will ultimately end in one Earth where the 4 "architects"--Morrison, Waid, Rucka, and Johns--can pick and choose whatever they want from all the existing continuity, both post-CoIE and pre-CoIE.

You sound like you didn't anticipate this. Hell, with only four 'architects' there should be a far more coherant DCU than there was following the original Crisis. And it's not as though Morrison et al aren't talented creators with a personal investment in the universe.

It's a good time to be a (long-time) comics fan. My only worry is that, yet again, we're branching out from what will bring new readers into the fold. Especially with all the changes 'One Year Later' will bring.

[DavidTyler]

You sound like you didn't anticipate this. Hell, with only four 'architects' there should be a far more coherant DCU than there was following the original Crisis. And it's not as though Morrison et al aren't talented creators with a personal investment in the universe.

It's a good time to be a (long-time) comics fan. My only worry is that, yet again, we're branching out from what will bring new readers into the fold. Especially with all the changes 'One Year Later' will bring.

I've got to admit that I'm nervous about what choices they'll make, though.

I've liked how Waid has handled characterizations on the books he's written but I haven't been a fan of his overall concepts. Kingdom Come was more Ross than Waid and I'm not crazy about his version of Krypton. I will always prefer Byrne's take on that. I can accept if Waid's Krypton was Byrne's at an earlier age but I like the fact that Jor-el was a rebel against a stagnant and emotionally detached social structure.

So, I guess it's wait and see.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm a little concerned about the choices they'll make, too. Johns fumbled Hal's reintroduction a bit by focusing on villains rather than character readjustment, and he tends to favor Silver Age status quos. Morrison tends to revamp concepts that don't need revamping, like recasting the New Gods as pimps and hos. Waid is capable of absolutely amazing stuff like his Flash and FF runs, but if you stick him with the wrong characters the results can be pretty sad (see Spider-Man: House of M). Rucka's pretty much the only untarnished one of the bunch for me.
You sound like you didn't anticipate this.
I just mentioned it and it hasn't actually happened yet, so technically I just did anticipate it. :confused:

[King_Mungi]

Oh here is full cover for issue #5 [Lee]
1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/IC5cover.jpg

[kiuju2k]

haha earth 2 wonderwoman. Lets see how this goes. I guess all hell will break loose.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Oh here is full cover for issue #5 [Lee]
1. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/A_Flight6/IC5cover.jpg

oh hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 but i want donna troy to be wonder woman.

[TheCorpulent1]

Who the hell are the two women? Diana and Hippolyta? 'Cause Hippolyta already died a while ago...

[Emerald Knight]

could Harbinger be one of them? Or maybe Donna?

[TheCorpulent1]

Harbinger's dead, too. Wasted her life protecting Supergirl. :(

[Wargod]

Who the hell are the two women? Diana and Hippolyta? 'Cause Hippolyta already died a while ago...

Didn't earth 2 Wonder Woman survive the crisis and was exiled on Mount Olympus ?

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought Earth-2 Wonder Woman was recast as Diana's mom Hippolyta after the Crisis. Although, I guess recreating Earth 2 could've brought her back. That'd be kind of weird, though. I wonder if Earth 2 Robin and Huntress will come back too.

[Emerald Knight]

Harbinger's dead, too. Wasted her life protecting Supergirl. :(

gotcha. Thanks. :up:

[That-Guy]

Yeah, and let's not forget that right before Harbinger lost her life, she apparently lost all of her intelligence as well, as she was reduced to a teeny bopper who was jumping up and down yelling things like "YAAAY KARA!! KICK HER BUTT!!!"

Pathetic.

[yenaled]

http://www.newsarama.com/WonderCon2006/DCU/IC5cover.jpg

much better version of the cover.

[The Batman]

golden age wonder woman!!!!!

[The Ether]

gonna be a hard time to figure out which cover to buy

[Emerald Knight]

why do I just now notice that Blue Beetle's fingertips are glowing? I must be slipping after my 20 years of life...

[Green Lantern]

Thats pretty sweet. I do believe that its Earth 2 WW and.... Fury. Her daughter ;)

[GoldenAgeHero]

Thats pretty sweet. I do believe that its Earth 2 WW and.... Fury. Her daughter ;)


??? were they in crisis on infinite earths?

[Hellstormer]

I think Crisis should end with all the other people from other earths coming back and getting new places in the DCU

[BrianWilly]

This will be the first Lee cover I get in lieu of Perez's.

[Green Lantern]

??? were they in crisis on infinite earths?Yes, and Fury was one of the members of what was essentially JSA's version of Teen Titans; Infinity Inc.

[ToddIsDead]

I think I've made up my mind and I'm getting Perez's. The Lee one isn't anything special IMO. I like the characters onn the Lee cover more but I like the overall cover more for Perez.

[LadyVader]

Where is your sig from ToddIsDead?

[ToddIsDead]

From Batman: Hush, when Batman was fighting Jason Todd or Clayface or whatever.

[LadyVader]

*slaps forehead*
I gotta read Hush again... at the time I read it I knew next to nothing about Batman's miriad of Robins. I think that's even the first comic book where I saw Nightwing.

[ToddIsDead]

Wow, you need to read more Batman stuff.

[LadyVader]

I have since read plenty of Batman stuff. :D Which is why I need to re-read Hush. I'll definetely appreciate it more now.

[The Leaguer]

You need to read more.

[LadyVader]

Why? You wouldn't want me to get smarter then you, would you?
Oops, too late! :D

[The Leaguer]

That was uncalled for. :(

[LadyVader]

Don't take it so hard. I'm pretty brilliant. :D

[The Leaguer]

Whoa, someone lied to you!

[raybia]

I read somewhere that when the smoke clears, Bruce Wayne will still be Batman and Tim Drake will still be Robin. If true, what will be the big shakeup in those books?

[LadyVader]

Whoa, someone lied to you!

oh... what a pathetic excuse for a comeback. Try again!

[ToddIsDead]

I read somewhere that when the smoke clears, Bruce Wayne will still be Batman and Tim Drake will still be Robin. If true, what will be the big shakeup in those books?
I believe that Robin is framed for Batgirl's murder. And Catwoman may or may not be having Batman's child I could be wrong though.

[regwec]

And Catwoman may or may not be having Batman's child I could be wrong though.
How on earth could you be wrong about an issue on which you are entirely on the fence?

[ToddIsDead]

Good question. I can bend the laws of the English language!

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

I read somewhere that when the smoke clears, Bruce Wayne will still be Batman and Tim Drake will still be Robin. If true, what will be the big shakeup in those books?
they will be just that they will not be able to take off their costumes because they will be bonded with them they will be come their skin.

[raybia]

they will be just that they will not be able to take off their costumes because they will be bonded with them they will be come their skin.


If that is the case then how in the hell did he impregnate Selina? :D

[ToddIsDead]

It hasen't been revealed yet who the father of her child is. That's why I said "may or may not".

[raybia]

It hasen't been revealed yet who the father of her child is. That's why I said "may or may not".


The problem with babies in comics is, how do you age them without the Superhero parents becoming much older as well?

[regwec]

You cheat.

[LadyVader]

You cheat.

Yeah, it's called the "Yound and the Restless" maneuver. :)

[That-Guy]

Maybe Zoom will show up and give her an abortion.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

batman has aged what 5 10 years tops in the comics, and dick grason has aged 15 or so. and no one seems to think anything of it.

[That-Guy]

batman has aged what 5 10 years tops in the comics, and dick grason has aged 15 or so. and no one seems to think anything of it.


... And don't forget that they still haven't explain how Jason Todd has grown to the same age as Dick, despite being at least 3 years younger and being... umm... dead.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Zoom will show up and give her an abortion.
Zoom should be the spokesman for planned parenthood. I bet he'd shut the pro-lifers right up. :p

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

... And don't forget that they still haven't explain how Jason Todd has grown to the same age as Dick, despite being at least 3 years younger and being... umm... dead.
well i hear that dieng and smoking will age you about the same, so maybe after he came back he picked smoking?

[boywondernerdDC]

is jason ever gunna play a big part in the crisis or is he just going to be important in OYL or has he played an important part that i missed?

[ToddIsDead]

That's yet to be seen.

[That-Guy]

Maybe the Jason Todd we see running around today is actually Jason Vorhees. It would make sense. In Jason X, they said that his body can regenerate itself over and over again no matter what kind of trauma it sustains.


Of course, Jason X totally sucked...

[The Riddler]

Maybe the Jason Todd we see running around today is actually Jason Vorhees. It would make sense. In Jason X, they said that his body can regenerate itself over and over again no matter what kind of trauma it sustains.


Of course, Jason X totally sucked...
if you're not already a writer at dc, there is no god.

[That-Guy]

if you're not already a writer at dc, there is no god.


LMAO :D

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Maybe the Jason Todd we see running around today is actually Jason Vorhees. It would make sense. In Jason X, they said that his body can regenerate itself over and over again no matter what kind of trauma it sustains.


Of course, Jason X totally sucked...but it has that classic sleeping bag beatting seen.

[ToddIsDead]

but it has that classic sleeping bag beatting seen.
Too bad that was the best part of the movie...

[Shawkur]

Jason Todd might die before OYL, but I suspect either Kid Devil or Ravager is going to be his plant inside the Titans.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why? :confused:

[boywondernerdDC]

so what os this i hear about him beating up tim drake ???

[Anubis]

He broke into Titans Tower wearing a Earth 2 Robin suit and got into a fight with Tim. Tim gave as good as he got but in the end, Todd took him down hard.

[Hush]

Wow that happened man I have been missing out.

[Anubis]

Happened in Teen Titans # 29

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC/TeenTitansCv29.jpg

[Infinity9999x]

man I went out to go get the IC ish at my comic store, and I ended up gettin there about 10mins after it closed, then I got in a freaking car accident on my way home. I don't think god wants me to read Crisis....:(

[The BatDude]

you know what will really piss me off,its if the flashes go back in time and change the whole mind wipe.that would grinds my gears

[Shawkur]

Why? :confused:

No reason really, other than I think Todd is going need some back-up if he is going to go up against both the villain and hero communities and is cagey enough to put a plant in the Titans to gather intel and help him play out whatever sick games he has in mind. Kid Devil had a connection to Todd in the past and probably hasnt been embraced by many other heroes so might be able to be swayed to the Red Hood's cause. Johns' also only made Rose a villain a couple years ago, it seems a little soon for her to make a complete aboutface already. Kid Devil and Ravager also seem somewhat odd choices for new members unless there is a big story behind it, I think one will be the plant and frame the other for it or one will be revealed as a traitor while the other wont be discovered until the Hood's plan is complete. Just my speculation.

[yenaled]

But out of everyone at DC on Winick cares about Todd and only Winick will write the conclusion to his story.

[stillanerd]

But out of everyone at DC on Winick cares about Todd and only Winick will write the conclusion to his story.

Speaking of which, some guy over at the DC comics boards claims to have read the Batman Annual:

Actually read some of it. Enough to see what happened.

Jason was never dead. The sensors Batman placed were to go off if someone broke INTO the coffin, but not if someone broke OUT of it...

And then he hit up a Lazarus Pit or something...

http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000062619&tstart=45

And if this is true, then Winnick has officially made Batman, the world's greatest detective, into a complete and utter moron.

[Shawkur]

Id be estatic to see Todd "concluded" but iirc Winick crowed about adding to Batman's classic rogues gallery or something to that extent and Johns cared enough atleast to put him in a Titan's issue. I may very well be wrong, but I think they might be leading to something.