The Infinite Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[The Batman]

This is a thread to discuss your thoughts, questions, etc. on the upcoming mini series that will change the DCU...really.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/InfiniteCrisisCv1-copy.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/InfiniteCrisis_1GPfull.jpg

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/InCrisis02_solicit.jpg

[The Batman]

Here's a list i've compiled of heroes that will appear in Infinite Crisis. if I miss any, inform me, and I'll edit my list

Heroes:

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern
The Flash
Nightwing
Power Girl
Firestorm
Supergirl
Alan Scott
Kyle Rayner
Superboy
Wonder Girl
Robin
Donna Troy
Green Lantern Corps
Animal Man
Metamorpho

Villains:

Lex Luthor
Dr.Light
Deathstroke
Black Adam
Zoom
Cheetah
Sinestro
Bizarro
OMAC
Dr.Polaris
Psycho Pirate

[DarkKnightJRK]

Animal Man? Huh, maybe the Crisis doesn't just affect their world...

[The Batman]

Huh? Animal Man's apart of the DCU...

[DarkKnightJRK]

Huh? Animal Man's apart of the DCU...

Yeah, I'm just thinking of his adventures when Morrison was writing him.

[The Batman]

Oh....

[Darthphere]

Am I the only one that thinks this whole deal is a really bad idea?

[The Batman]

Yeah, pretty much

[SpideyInATree]

Am I the only one that thinks this whole deal is a really bad idea?

I don't think its a bad idea but I have to admit that I'm worried about a lot of the outcome this will bring. The rumors I heard about Batman are what has worried me recently, but I'm really looking forward to this. But while reading this I'm going to be praying that they don't screw over Batman.

[LegendGambit]

Personally i cant wait, the build up for this has been huge. now with everything just comng together i just want to see how it ends.

[White_Howling]

i just love that jim lee drawing of powergirl. something about the facial expressions.. jim lee is changing his style again.. she seems different from the other girls he draws

[newmexneon]

I am really looking forward to this whole Ordeal but what I am wondering is what heroes or villains we are going to lose.
Rann/Thanagar #5 says that one hero will make the ultimate sacrifice;
Superman/Batman #23 says that there will be an unexpected death;
Firestorm #18 Firestorm has been targeted for death by the omac's;
Flash series keeps saying it might be the end for wally.

And I didn't even read all the descriptions on DC's website.

[Fantastic Fan22]

Were we supposed to get a colored version of the Perez cover today or did i imagine that?

[DrVenkman90]

Oh please dont ruin everything Infinte Crisis

[Webhead88]

Infinite Crises is the grand finale of the DC we have known for the past 20 years. It will lead to the birth of a new DCU that will be watched over by continuity god Geoff Johns and visionary Grant Morrison.

[Blomberg]

From the Wizard preview it looks like our first victims may be some of if not all the Freedom Fighters. At least, I don't like their odds against the likes of Sinestro, Zoom, Deathstroke, Bizzaro and the others.

Too bad, becasue I really like some of those characters.

[Czar Colossus]

Based on the following....
-Black Adam's key role
-Eclipso's antagonism towards Shazam (the threat from the Superman story)
-The war against magic
-His battle with the Spectre
...I'd say Captain Marvel has got to be in there somewhere.

[LinternaVerde]

Spoilers!!!
possibly, the death of Captain Shazam. Maybe Shazam Jr. is gonna take the mantle as we can see in Titans of Tomorrow... Maybe we are gonna see the back of Barry Allen and the death of Wally, closing the circle started with Crisis of Infinite Universes. Batman is gonna take a time in Arkham.
What is gonna happen with Wonder Woman and Superman? Any suggestion?

[hippie_hunter]

Spoilers!!!
possibly, the death of Captain Shazam. Maybe Shazam Jr. is gonna take the mantle as we can see in Titans of Tomorrow... Maybe we are gonna see the back of Barry Allen and the death of Wally, closing the circle started with Crisis of Infinite Universes. Batman is gonna take a time in Arkham.
What is gonna happen with Wonder Woman and Superman? Any suggestion?

Doubt it on both counts. CM3 has to join the Teen Titans first before becoming Captain Marvel if the Titans of Tommorrow story will come to be. And bringing Barry Allen back from the dead is a crime

[Sarge]

Isn't Jason Todd supposed to play a part in Infinite Crisis?

[hippie_hunter]

Yes

[Sarge]

I think he should probably be on the villians list, then.

[hippie_hunter]

The Red Hood is not really a villain. He's more like the DCU's version of the Punisher

[Sarge]

The Red Hood is not really a villain. He's more like the DCU's version of the Punisher
I dunno, he's much more calculating and maclicous than Frank. At the end of the day, Frank believes what he's doing is somehow contributing to the greater good, while Jason seems to be trying to 'one up' Batman by ridding Gotham of crime. Then there is the theory that he's just an OMAC, which I don't buy yet.

[Timstuff]

With Crisis of Infinate Earths, it was basically a way for DC to "clean up" the DCU without pressing the "reset" button on all their comics. It brought massive changes to the DCU and all the characters, and basically defined the characters for the past 2 decades. Will Infinate Crisis bring as massive changes as COIE did? I know there's going to be some big differences when it's all over, but I hope they don't screw things up and end up kicking themselves in the pants in 12 months. The biggest concern I have is that DC might screw Batman.

[Tron5000]

I've really only been following OMAC and the Superman storylines. As was stated by someone earlier, the 1st crisis brought about monumental changes in DCU. What are the ramifications of the new Crisis going to be?

[Metropolis_Man]

I've been keeping up with all 4 titles, and Superman, and I've been trying to keep up with teen titans too. I really hope they don't screw Batman. Somethings going down big with Superman too. There has been tremendous build up around this story though, and its exciting. I'm just ready to see what all goes down. Hopefully they do it right.

[SpideyInATree]

The biggest concern I have is that DC might screw Batman.

Same here. All of the rumors I've heard about Batman after Infinite Crisis have been pointing toward Bruce Wayne no longer being Batman in some form or another. And that's no good. :(

[OtepApe]

Same here. All of the rumors I've heard about Batman after Infinite Crisis have been pointing toward Bruce Wayne no longer being Batman in some form or another. And that's no good. :(

I have heard some awful rumours concerning Batman after Crisis and I have to say I am a little worried about it.

But, I am looking forward to it and high hopes for it. As long as they don't muck around too much with Batman that is. :batman:

[OtepApe]

Not sure if this has been posted but here's the coloured version of Perez's Infinite Crisis cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/ICperezcolor.jpg

[Jehuty]

Not sure if this has been posted but here's the coloured version of Perez's Infinite Crisis cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/ICperezcolor.jpgMuch better. :eek:

[Sarge]

Not sure if this has been posted but here's the coloured version of Perez's Infinite Crisis cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/ICperezcolor.jpg
That cover kicks ass. :up:

[OtepApe]

I gotta admit, even though Lee is one of my favourite pencilers, Perez has him whooped when it comes to Infinite Crsis covers so far.

[Supergirl]

Not sure if this has been posted but here's the coloured version of Perez's Infinite Crisis cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/ICperezcolor.jpg
http://elouai.com/images/yahoo/32.gif Dear god, I love Perez. I can't wait to see his new Kara.

[The Batman]

bump

[yenaled]

Infinite Crisis #3 cover and solicitation.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv3.jpg

newsarama solication (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/ICcvr03peek.htm)

[Ultimate_Superman]

So my question now is how will they put whats going on in crisis in the normal single comics as well? I mean say Superman for example will they have him fighting OMAC's or Lex in his comics for the next 7 months or what?

[Kane]

http://elouai.com/images/yahoo/32.gif Dear god, I love Perez. I can't wait to see his new Kara.

new Kara??

[Tamanon]

From the solicit:

And as the DCU is plunged into chaos, Batman is offered one last chance at the life he’s always wanted…but at what price

Well isn't that an interesting sentence indeed. Now I'm really curious.

[SpideyInATree]

Yes, it makes me very curious as well, but yet extremely worried at the same time. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif

[yenaled]

You know something...

Something occured to me just, the big rumour is that a major player will die in the crisis, and I'm starting to think it will be J'onn J'onzz.

For a few reasons;

1. he hasn't shown up in any solication post JLA #119. Not a mention or drawn anywhere on a cover.

2. he is what all fans know and what Superman pointed out in JLA #118. "J'onn's been in almost every incarnation of the League. Sometimes I think he's the only one holding us together." With the current JLA disbanding in JLA #119 which could be caused by (amongst other things) J'onn's death.

I wouldn't want to see him go, but I wouldn't be surprised.

my two cents anywho.

[DrVenkman90]

Everybody Go To Newsarama.com And Look At #3

[MaraJanesSlave]

you mean the same #3 that was posted 7 messages before this one?

[Assassin]

Doubt it on both counts. CM3 has to join the Teen Titans first before becoming Captain Marvel if the Titans of Tommorrow story will come to be. And bringing Barry Allen back from the dead is a crime


LOL why join the teen titans when u can head straight to the outsiders? :D

[The Riddler]

riddler.

where's the riddler? :(

[LinternaVerde]

riddler.

where's the riddler? :(

uhm. is it a joke or you mean it? :P

[hippie_hunter]

LOL why join the teen titans when u can head straight to the outsiders? :D

Captain Marvel Jr. would make a horrible Outsider. He belongs on the Teen Titans

[Tropico]

Infinite Crisis #3 cover and solicitation.

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv3.jpg

newsarama solication (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/ICcvr03peek.htm)

What the heck?! The Fury? The original one? WTF?!

[The Black Mask]

can't wait for this book to be out

[DrVenkman90]

I can't either. Judging on how popular it is going to be, I am going to buy to copies.

[Bat-Mantis]

I was lying in bed just now and something kind of struck me.
Jason Todd is supposed to be tied to the Crisis in some way, right? But... it's Jason Todd. How in the world could a guy like Jason Todd tie into something as huge as the Crisis?
I started to think... we saw Jason's dead body in Death in the Family. We know he was dead, we assume he was embalmed, sealed in a vault and buried by Batman. We can assume that the Worlds Greatest Detective could tell if the guy is actually dead or not. We can assume that since he was buried in the same graveyard as Bruce’s parents, Batman would have noticed if, at some time in the past, someone had dug up the body or if it had risen from the dead zombie-style, since Batman visits that cemetery almost nightly. We've heard that the Riddler dug up this grave in Hush and has his body stashed away somewhere - we know SOMETHING was stolen from that grave... and yet Todd’s still flipping around as a full grown adult, somehow OLDER than he probably should be (because early versions showed him with graying temples, when the guy should be about 18 right now).
Now, in JSA: Classified, we're getting more and more hints that Power Girl is a hold over from the previous Crisis.
Now… what if Jason Todd is a hold over as well? What if Jason Todd, the brash, reckless but generally good-hearted Boy Wonder DID die at the hands of the Joker, what if that tragedy STILL happened and STILL plays on Batman’s conscience… what if his body WAS buried then dug up and stolen and all that... what if he WASN'T raised from the dead at all, but is simply the same character - the pre-crisis version? That would be his tie to Infinite Crisis that expands beyond the realm of Batman.

[Supergirl]

Thats a damn good theory BM :eek: And very plausible...

[regwec]

Now… what if Jason Todd is a hold over as well? What if Jason Todd, the brash, reckless but generally good-hearted Boy Wonder DID die at the hands of the Joker, what if that tragedy STILL happened and STILL plays on Batman’s conscience… what if his body WAS buried then dug up and stolen and all that... what if he WASN'T raised from the dead at all, but is simply the same character - the pre-crisis version? That would be his tie to Infinite Crisis that expands beyond the realm of Batman.
Interesting idea. I'd like that.

And as the DCU is plunged into chaos, Batman is offered one last chance at the life he’s always wanted…but at what price
Maybe there is an oppurtunity presented to wipe T and M Wayne's deaths from continuity, but Batman doesn't take it? That might allow Batman to move away from the embittered/sociopathic character he has increasingly become, and back towards the mournful/stoic crusader he used to be?

If Captain Marvel does indeed die, I would like Teth Adam should take his lace. I always thought Teth was more interesting, anyway...

[yenaled]

I was lying in bed just now and something kind of struck me.
Jason Todd is supposed to be tied to the Crisis in some way, right? But... it's Jason Todd. How in the world could a guy like Jason Todd tie into something as huge as the Crisis?
I started to think... we saw Jason's dead body in Death in the Family. We know he was dead, we assume he was embalmed, sealed in a vault and buried by Batman. We can assume that the Worlds Greatest Detective could tell if the guy is actually dead or not. We can assume that since he was buried in the same graveyard as Bruce’s parents, Batman would have noticed if, at some time in the past, someone had dug up the body or if it had risen from the dead zombie-style, since Batman visits that cemetery almost nightly. We've heard that the Riddler dug up this grave in Hush and has his body stashed away somewhere - we know SOMETHING was stolen from that grave... and yet Todd’s still flipping around as a full grown adult, somehow OLDER than he probably should be (because early versions showed him with graying temples, when the guy should be about 18 right now).
Now, in JSA: Classified, we're getting more and more hints that Power Girl is a hold over from the previous Crisis.
Now… what if Jason Todd is a hold over as well? What if Jason Todd, the brash, reckless but generally good-hearted Boy Wonder DID die at the hands of the Joker, what if that tragedy STILL happened and STILL plays on Batman’s conscience… what if his body WAS buried then dug up and stolen and all that... what if he WASN'T raised from the dead at all, but is simply the same character - the pre-crisis version? That would be his tie to Infinite Crisis that expands beyond the realm of Batman.

That's exactly my theory that I said in the Jason Todd topic.

I think it all makes sense.

[Sarge]

I was lying in bed just now and something kind of struck me.
Jason Todd is supposed to be tied to the Crisis in some way, right? But... it's Jason Todd. How in the world could a guy like Jason Todd tie into something as huge as the Crisis?
I started to think... we saw Jason's dead body in Death in the Family. We know he was dead, we assume he was embalmed, sealed in a vault and buried by Batman. We can assume that the Worlds Greatest Detective could tell if the guy is actually dead or not. We can assume that since he was buried in the same graveyard as Bruce’s parents, Batman would have noticed if, at some time in the past, someone had dug up the body or if it had risen from the dead zombie-style, since Batman visits that cemetery almost nightly. We've heard that the Riddler dug up this grave in Hush and has his body stashed away somewhere - we know SOMETHING was stolen from that grave... and yet Todd’s still flipping around as a full grown adult, somehow OLDER than he probably should be (because early versions showed him with graying temples, when the guy should be about 18 right now).
Now, in JSA: Classified, we're getting more and more hints that Power Girl is a hold over from the previous Crisis.
Now… what if Jason Todd is a hold over as well? What if Jason Todd, the brash, reckless but generally good-hearted Boy Wonder DID die at the hands of the Joker, what if that tragedy STILL happened and STILL plays on Batman’s conscience… what if his body WAS buried then dug up and stolen and all that... what if he WASN'T raised from the dead at all, but is simply the same character - the pre-crisis version? That would be his tie to Infinite Crisis that expands beyond the realm of Batman.
Goddamn! :eek:

That's a billion times better than what the writers and editors probably have planned. :(

[The Batman]

I was lying in bed just now and something kind of struck me.
Jason Todd is supposed to be tied to the Crisis in some way, right? But... it's Jason Todd. How in the world could a guy like Jason Todd tie into something as huge as the Crisis?
I started to think... we saw Jason's dead body in Death in the Family. We know he was dead, we assume he was embalmed, sealed in a vault and buried by Batman. We can assume that the Worlds Greatest Detective could tell if the guy is actually dead or not. We can assume that since he was buried in the same graveyard as Bruce’s parents, Batman would have noticed if, at some time in the past, someone had dug up the body or if it had risen from the dead zombie-style, since Batman visits that cemetery almost nightly. We've heard that the Riddler dug up this grave in Hush and has his body stashed away somewhere - we know SOMETHING was stolen from that grave... and yet Todd’s still flipping around as a full grown adult, somehow OLDER than he probably should be (because early versions showed him with graying temples, when the guy should be about 18 right now).
Now, in JSA: Classified, we're getting more and more hints that Power Girl is a hold over from the previous Crisis.
Now… what if Jason Todd is a hold over as well? What if Jason Todd, the brash, reckless but generally good-hearted Boy Wonder DID die at the hands of the Joker, what if that tragedy STILL happened and STILL plays on Batman’s conscience… what if his body WAS buried then dug up and stolen and all that... what if he WASN'T raised from the dead at all, but is simply the same character - the pre-crisis version? That would be his tie to Infinite Crisis that expands beyond the realm of Batman.


Great theory...but why would pre-Crisis Jason have beef with a post-Crisis Batman?

[LinternaVerde]

Great theory...but why would pre-Crisis Jason have beef with a post-Crisis Batman?

He gets mad as the Psycho Pirate. He was goofing around. That's why he's so growned up.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe there is an oppurtunity presented to wipe T and M Wayne's deaths from continuity, but Batman doesn't take it? That might allow Batman to move away from the embittered/sociopathic character he has increasingly become, and back towards the mournful/stoic crusader he used to be?
I doubt it. Loeb just wrote that story a couple of months ago in Superman/Batman.

[regwec]

Really? I gave up reading that, due to its appalling quality. How typical of Loeb to conceal an interesting idea in a dirty diaper.

[TheCorpulent1]

The arc was horrible anyway. The current one's not even that great, but it's readable.

[Arkady Rossovich]

From what i hear,why is DC making another Infinate Crisis?They already had one in the mid 1980`s,unless they are just using the name and there is a different event completely in the works...

[Supergirl]

The one in the 80s was Crisis On Infinite Earths. This one is Infinite Crisis.

[Doomed_hero]

Well I just read the end of the JLA arc and looks like someone in a red cape is behind it all. Sadly thats all we saw before a major death. RIP

[King_Mungi]

Yesh! from the previews I'm reading it is sort of sounding like House of M. Careful spoilers below....

Infinite Crisis #3
"War is brought home as Wonder Woman leads the Amazons in a struggle to maintain their control of Paradise Island in the face of a full-on OMAC onslaught — just as the Spectre turns his vengeful eye toward Atlantis! And as the DCU is plunged into chaos, Batman is offered one last chance at the life he's always wanted…but at what price?

Green Lantern #7
"Part 1 of the 2-part story "A Perfect Life." Out of the pages of INFINITE CRISIS explodes a villain who's had devastating effects on the life of Hal Jordan — and only the combined efforts of Hal Jordan and Oliver Queen can combat this monster! But the world is changing into a place that reflects their most desired, wildest dreams. But at what cost? And why? "

Meh! no worries, this story will kick ass. However, it's killing my wallet:down

Sidenote: JSA #80 will be awesome
"The final battle between Mordru and Dr. Fate rages to its shocking conclusion through the worlds of Kingdom Come and JUSTICE LEAGUE: THE NAIL! Plus, the Thunderbolt vs. Jakeem to decide the ultimate fate of the Fifth Dimension! After this issue, two members of the JSA will never be seen again! "

[The Riddler]

where the hell is the riddler?

i haven't seen him at all in any of the infinite crisis tie-ins.

[regwec]

That's probably because DC needs to contrive a reason to change his appearance back to something less awful before we see him again.

[Sarge]

where the hell is the riddler?

i haven't seen him at all in any of the infinite crisis tie-ins.
Um...what use would the Riddler be to a universe wide crisis on a such a massive scale? :confused:

[yenaled]

It was mentioned in Villains United that most of the Gotham villains are mental and wouldn't join the society, they only care about Batman and trying to beat him.

[regwec]

Nevertheless, Mr Freeze has joined them, it seems that Black Mask will, and Catwoman has infiltrated the organisation. I would have thought that Bane would be a fine candidate, too.

[LinternaVerde]

most of the batman villains didn't join the society: hush, joker, riddler, clayface... hush is planning anything involving the clayfaces, researching his way on crisis and the disappearing of one of the clays. he and the riddler and involved with the lost of the jason todd body, so his back on gotham has a lot with they.

[Sentry2005]

its a widely known rumour that bruce won't be batman after infinite crisis. everyones assuming its gonna be dick or tim that takes the mantel, hell i've heard people citing jason as the new batman.

i just got villains united today (1-5). baring something happening in the last issue, how would people feel about catman taking up the mantel? ok, i know, i know it sounds stupid. buuuuuuut..... from issue four we've learned that he's already ratted out the six and the society to green arrow, and that he wants to be a hero.... i don't know, maybe? i kinda like the character, so i wouldn't mind.

oh, and does anyone know which green lanterns will be involved in the i.c.? is it only gonna be john and hal, or will kyle and guy get dragged in as well? (other than the rann-thann war i mean)

[Bat-Mantis]

If they make Catman the new Batman I'll be very, very, very, VERY pissed. Very. That would last for about 2 weeks before Bruce came back.
If Bruce quits / retires / dies / is committed, either Dick or Tim need to take over, and I think Tim is entirely too young for it.

[regwec]

It won't happen anyway, if there is anyone with any sense at all at DC. Batman is probably DC's biggest name nowadays, perhaps surpassing Superman. Why would DC want to crap on its largest fan base?

[Sentry2005]

It won't happen anyway, if there is anyone with any sense at all at DC. Batman is probably DC's biggest name nowadays, perhaps surpassing Superman. Why would DC want to crap on its largest fan base?

i don't see it as crapping on a fanbase. i mean, i know IF they replace bruce, he'll be abck in the cowl within a year. but its gotten to the point now where bruce/batman is unbeatable, and he's very paranoid. he doesn't trust anyone. in all honesty, i'd like to see him spend some time in arkham, like some of the rumours are suggesting.

changing a stories focus isn't crapping on the fanbase. wally taking the flash mantle wasn't crapping on the fanbase. heck, frodo taking over from bilbo between the hobbit and lord of the rings wasn't crapping on the fanbase. as long as the story stays true, i'm willing to give anything a go. if its crap, its crap, but lets not judge it until it happens :)

[regwec]

Bruce is far from unbeatable. Only recently Superman battered him severely. If anything, he is becoming more paranoid as he considers himself to be becoming more and more vulnerable.

I could live with Bruce lending the cowl to Nightwing or Batgirl, but I'd need to know that he was set to take it back.

[DrVenkman90]

changing a stories focus isn't crapping on the fanbase. wally taking the flash mantle wasn't crapping on the fanbase. heck, frodo taking over from bilbo between the hobbit and lord of the rings wasn't crapping on the fanbase. as long as the story stays true, i'm willing to give anything a go. if its crap, its crap, but lets not judge it until it happens :)Actually *pushes up glasses* The Hobbit was written after Lord of the Rings.

[Supergirl]

Uh no it wasn't :confused: The stories were all brewed at the same time, but the Hobbit was finalized and published twenty years before the Lord of the Rings.

[TheIntellectual]

I'd like to elaborate on the Jason Todd is Jason Todd from another universe theory... I think the same is true of Martian Manhunter.

IN JLA 119 martian manhunter states "You're..." right before being blown presumably to bits. I'd like to point out that the look on MM's face is not one of anger, but more of shock. Such as... "you're.... me".

[The Black Mask]

i wonder if there will be any delays for infinite crisis? hopefully no delays.

[The Black Mask]

i think i get both variants for this series. perez and lee's art is well worth it.

[regwec]

Uh no it wasn't :confused: The stories were all brewed at the same time, but the Hobbit was finalized and published twenty years before the Lord of the Rings.
The stories weren't even brewed together. Tolkien was payed to write a sequel to The Hobbit, but didn't know where to start. Tom Shippey, in his recent appraisal of all of Tolkien's books, pointed out that Prof. T attached no great significance to the magic ring when he first began to draft The Lord of the Rings.

[BrianWilly]

I'm almost certain that the Hobbit was written before The Lord of the Rings, or at the least before finished before The Lord of the Rings. If not, then Tolkien wouldn't have had to go back and write a different version of Bilbo's encounter with Gollum after LotR came out since the events of LotR contradicted what happened in the original release of the Hobbit..

Ooh! Turn-of-the-century retcons:D!!

[Tamanon]

Finally, the week is here, Infinite Crisis can commence!

And I don't think there will be any delays of the main series. DC seems to really have their timetables in check for the most part.

[Lady Stormcrow]

Umm, seeing as how this is the infinate crisis thread, could some one pleeeese explain it to me?? I asked a few weeks ago, but got mixed results. Just sum it up in a sentance, just give me a vague description please. Ive read all this thread, and from what I can guess, is that it has something to do with these blue omac guys, attacking superheroes, and something might happen to batman, or J'onn J'onzz.

[Sentry2005]

one sentance? S*it hits the fan.

good explanation: Basically, someone is organising lots of events from behind the scenes; allowing for the omac project to begin, organising the villains into a force, ridding the world of magic control and starting an intergalactic war.

basically, the heroes have been ripped apart by paranoia and mistrust to the point where the only member left of the justice league is john stewart. and now everythings going to pot. and it might all be linked to a event that occured twenty years ago, when the multi verse (different dimensions) were melded togeather to create a new reality, the reality we see today.

i hope that was ok. let me know if its more confusing :)

[Lady Stormcrow]

Oh okay, thanks! Finally! That explaination makes sense, like all the little bits I knew are now welded together.
Hey, if there's only one member left of the JLA, how can it be a team?

[Sentry2005]

its not. lol. quite simply, they're bummed. but the next couple of issues are dealing with a new league forming, without the big three of batman, superman or wonderwoman.

[Lady Stormcrow]

It kinda doesnt seem right without those 3. Oh well

[Sentry2005]

well the new line up looks to be:

nightwing, green arrow, supergirl, black canary, red tornado, possibly john stewart, possibly donna troy.

i'm pretty sure thats it. the others on here will let you know if i've messed up :)

[Lady Stormcrow]

Thanks for all the help!
hee hee, i thought that persons name was red tomato

[regwec]

Zauriel, Captain Marvel, Mr Miracle etc are on the next JLA cover.
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/4322_400x600.jpg

[Sentry2005]

mr miracle in the league would own! i just hope we don't have two green lanterns... that would smell :p and i'll never get my favourate GL in the league again, so it would just be doubley anti-climatic. lol

[Lady Stormcrow]

wow, considering I read very little DC im proud of myself for recognising some of the folks on there
(its the little victories that count ;) )
Captain Marvel, Miracle man, Plastic man, Aquaman, Batman, 2 lanterns, The green arrow, and the flash. yay, go me!

[regwec]

Ah, but can you name golden boobs, on the right?

[Kitsune]

Big Barta? Wife to Scott Free

[regwec]

Hey! I was testing the novice. And you spelled it wrong...

[Lady Stormcrow]

Ah, but can you name golden boobs, on the right?

Captain Fantasti-breasts?
umm...no
Lady Booberella?
err...nay
Mighty Maiden?
Okay, now I give up

[Sentry2005]

big berda. scott free's wife. as someone already said. she's a giant of a woman. makes me kinda tingly ;) lol

[Lady Stormcrow]

big berda?
I wasnt too far off :D

[Sentry2005]

i personally loved the name captain fantasti-breasts. patten it, or i'm stealing it for a name of a character in my comic!

[Lady Stormcrow]

You can have it, as a thanks for all your help

[Kitsune]

Isn't that Power Girl's official nickname?

[Lady Stormcrow]

I hope not, I was proud of myself for a little while there

Powergirl does have magnificent breasts (from the hetrosexual point of view of one gal to another)

[regwec]

Damnit, it's BARDA. Why can no one spell that.

And, yes, the concept of a 7' woman who looks like that it disturbingly alluring.

[Kitsune]

This is the internet... nobody spells anything right. For the record I do know it's Barda, not sure why I spelled it with a T. A 7 foot chesty woman would be fun to slow dance with :D

[The Black Mask]

infinite crisis #1 comes out wednesday

[Tamanon]

Wait something just struck me. If you remember early on there was talk about Kryptonite being stolen from Kord industries. We see the red cape at the end of the JLA run.....maybe Superman-2 is behind it, and somebody is working behind the scenes to get the Kryptonite to stop him? Man I can't wait until tomorrow!

[SpideyInATree]

Wait something just struck me. If you remember early on there was talk about Kryptonite being stolen from Kord industries. We see the red cape at the end of the JLA run.....maybe Superman-2 is behind it, and somebody is working behind the scenes to get the Kryptonite to stop him? Man I can't wait until tomorrow!

In OMAC Project # 6 I believe that Max Lord was said to be responsible for the theft of the Kryptonite. He was looking for a machine the Ted Kord had invented that was dangerous toward the OMAC's but it wasn't there. Lord then sold the Kryptonite.

And over in Batman Black Mask had it but The Red Hood messed up those plans and was seen opening the box of Kryptonite, and I believe that's the last we saw of that. :o

[sikkbones]

most of the batman villains didn't join the society: hush, joker, riddler, clayface... hush is planning anything involving the clayfaces, researching his way on crisis and the disappearing of one of the clays. he and the riddler and involved with the lost of the jason todd body, so his back on gotham has a lot with they.

what if hush is the pre-coie batman?

[sikkbones]

I'd like to elaborate on the Jason Todd is Jason Todd from another universe theory... I think the same is true of Martian Manhunter.

IN JLA 119 martian manhunter states "You're..." right before being blown presumably to bits. I'd like to point out that the look on MM's face is not one of anger, but more of shock. Such as... "you're.... me".

or you're superman but old.. and from earth-2

[sikkbones]

i personally loved the name captain fantasti-breasts. patten it, or i'm stealing it for a name of a character in my comic!
patent?
whatsamatta non of yous guys can spel?

[The Black Mask]

can't wait for Infinite Crisis #1

[droogiedroogie2]

I doubt it. Loeb just wrote that story a couple of months ago in Superman/Batman.

Well I just read the end of the JLA arc and looks like someone in a red cape is behind it all. Sadly thats all we saw before a major death. RIPWho died who died who died? I've been cut off from the comic shop, I don't know about anything in the last month. Please tell me. I don't want to be surprised when I finally hit the shop tomorrow.

[droogiedroogie2]

what if hush is the pre-coie batman?Like Silver Age, or Bronze Age? And all of these explanations for Hush and Red Hood involving the Crisis leave one thing out: why would Bronze Age Bats have it in for Modern Age Bats? Like, that dude KILLS people.

[The Black Mask]

just picked up Infinite Crisis... .... ... ... ...

[The Batman]

OH MY GOD....


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv2.jpg

[Johnny DC]

WHAT'S THAT! :eek:

[The Batman]

Golden Age Superman and Lois Lane, and the Original Superboy. i think the guy in the gold is alexander luthor.

[Ultimate_Superman]

That my friend is happy days again where the Superman family once ruled DC :D I thought I would never see the day again.

[Tamanon]

*NOW* that cover makes a ton more sense:)

[Ultimate_Superman]

They are saying the four of them not including Lois could stop the crisis anytime they wanted.

[The Batman]

Uh...what? they're not really saying anything, just that the've been around and they know whats happening

[Ultimate_Superman]

in the last pages read what they say and are thinking.

[The Black Mask]

OH MY GOD....


http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv2.jpg

i love jim lee's superman and batman art, i don't like his x-men art.

[Ultimate_Superman]

All I want to know now is can I finally have my Superboy and The Legions of Super-Heroes book back? :(

[KAD]

Oh exstacy

[Anubis]

I called it again. I been saying, for months, were the hell did Alex Luthor and the Supermans go after the crisis? Wouldn't it be cool if they showed up in the new one? And booya! there you go. I think i'm psycic or something. Why the hell must I waste this talent on freakin comicbooks!! Why can't I predict lotto numbers. :(

[KAD]

I called it again. I been saying, for months, were the hell did Alex Luthor and the Supermans go after the crisis? Wouldn't it be cool if they showed up in the new one? And booya! there you go. I think i'm psycic or something. Why the hell must I waste this talent on freakin comicbooks!! Why can't I predict lotto numbers. :(


You must be another ( sing out like in the BirdMan Cart toon) MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS!

[Anubis]

Keep it up smart guy and I'm gonna be the master of kickin your @$$!!! :mad: :D

[droogiedroogie2]

So yeah, someone wanna spoil IC 1 for me? I won't pick it up till tomorrow, looks like, and I really would like it spoiled. I hate being the only guy out of the loop. It really won't ruin the actual book for me. I've been spoiled before.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Keep it up smart guy and I'm gonna be the master of kickin your @$$!!! :mad: :DLOL I love that one. I might make it a sig.

[Supergirl]

Golden Age Superman and Lois Lane, and the Original Superboy. i think the guy in the gold is alexander luthor.
It's not the original Superboy, its Earth Prime Superboy ;)

[Primal Slayer]

Bought it, read it, smiled. It was good. Some grusome deaths in this issue, more bickering from Trinity with WW wanting to kill Mongul(ofcourse Supes and Bats oppose it even though he just tried to kill the three of them). Bats was very harsh to Superman in this issue with saying "the last time you inspired someone was when you died" MM isnt dead. There are 3-4 beings watching all of what is going on and in the end it is revealed to who it is. E-2 Supes and Lois and I guess SBoy and Alexander Luthor with E-2 saying "this is job for Superman!" but im hoping that Superman wont be the one saving the day in Inifinate Crisis(let each hero have a helping hand)

[Ultimate_Superman]

Its still PreiCrisis Superboy and with him back I want him to join the Legion again and bring their sales back up.

[droogiedroogie2]

Goddamn multiverse. Which issue was MM blown up in? And do we know who did it yet? E-2 Supes? Please say yes. I want that damn multiverse out of the picture forever.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Bought it, read it, smiled. It was good. Some grusome deaths in this issue, more bickering from Trinity with WW wanting to kill Mongul(ofcourse Supes and Bats oppose it even though he just tried to kill the three of them). Bats was very harsh to Superman in this issue with saying "the last time you inspired someone was when you died" MM isnt dead. There are 3-4 beings watching all of what is going on and in the end it is revealed to who it is. E-2 Supes and Lois and I guess SBoy and Alexander Luthor with E-2 saying "this is job for Superman!" but im hoping that Superman wont be the one saving the day in Inifinate Crisis(let each hero have a helping hand)Dont you understand Crisis is what Superman fans live for this is when he gets to shine above the rest. I mean the whole Super-family does(Superman, Superboy,Power Girl, Supergirl) This is what they live for and it looks like from this issue once again we are the main foucs of this crisis as well.

[Primal Slayer]

Goddamn multiverse. Which issue was MM blown up in? And do we know who did it yet? E-2 Supes? Please say yes. I want that damn multiverse out of the picture forever.

Well the watchtower was blown up in JLA 119, but we dont know who blew it up yet, thats still unanswered.

[Supergirl]

Dont you understand Crisis is what Superman fans live for this is when he gets to shine above the rest. I mean the whole Super-family does(Superman, Superboy,Power Girl, Supergirl) This is what they live for and it looks like from this issue once again we are the main foucs of this crisis as well.
Really? Thats why Flash was the major player in the first Crisis? Why the JSA was in Zero Hour? Why the Satellite League was in Identity? :confused:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Really? Thats why Flash was the major player in the first Crisis? Why the JSA was in Zero Hour? Why the Satellite League was in Identity? :confused:Flash was not the major player he was the major person who died and become a legend after that but he was not the person they foucsed on the most. When a crisis comes they always foucs on the Superman-Family.

[KAD]

Flash was not the major player he was the major person who died and become a legend after that but he was not the person they foucsed on the most. When a crisis comes they always foucs on the Superman-Family.


Your fanboy is showing.

The Flash was the major hero in the original.

Even Kara's death paled by comparisson

[Supergirl]

Flash was not the major player he was the major person who died and become a legend after that but he was not the person they foucsed on the most. When a crisis comes they always foucs on the Superman-Family.And thats why when the man who wrote the series did the novelization he told it from Clark's POV? Oh wait, he told it from Barry's didn't he?

[Ultimate_Superman]

SOB :mad: thats ike me saying BB was a major person because coutdown was told from his point of view fact of the matter is when a Crisis comes every hero looks to who for hope??? Flash NOOOOOOOOOO Superman Yesss

[Supergirl]

Blue Beetle was the major character in Countdown :confused: Looking to someone for hope doesn't make them the biggest player in a series. Barry Allen saved the universe. Superman didn't. Live with it.

[The Black Mask]

anyone else get both covers of Infinite Crisis?

[KAD]

SOB :mad: thats ike me saying BB was a major person because coutdown was told from his point of view fact of the matter is when a Crisis comes every hero looks to who for hope??? Flash NOOOOOOOOOO Superman Yesss


It's been written that way on occassion but not always


If Barry hadn't stepped up to the plate there would be no Supes to look up to


Also I would say many fenale heroes look to WW

Many Street level heroes look to bats

[Lackey]

just so we're all clear about the very last page of the issue -

the 4 people were
Earth-2 Superman, Earth-2 Lois Lane, Earth-Prime Superboy and Earth-3 Alex Luthor

[Pksoze]

Blue Beetle was the major character in Countdown :confused: Looking to someone for hope doesn't make them the biggest player in a series. Barry Allen saved the universe. Superman didn't. Live with it.


Superman was there in the end.

The original Superman.

[Supergirl]

If not for Barry he wouldn't have been.

[Pksoze]

If not for Barry he wouldn't have been.


Trut but the last men standing when it came to the ultimate battle was old Superman.

And I think it will be that way again. :up:

[KAD]

Trut but the last men standing when it came to the ultimate battle was old Superman.

And I think it will be that way again. :up:


Well of course hes the original or at least most powerful


That doesnt mean that he is the center of the story.

The end of COIE brought back my appreciation of the Superman Family

But I in no way (Other than Kara ) left that series felling they were the focus.

[The Black Mask]

will superman save the universe....

[KAD]

will superman save the universe....


Not this time around.

I think the crisis is about handing over the mantle to a succesor much like COIE was for Barry and Wally.

ONly this time I think it's Bruce and Dick



The image of the Specter had the Bat signal coincidentaly close to the center of his chest

[Pksoze]

Well of course hes the original or at least most powerful


That doesnt mean that he is the center of the story.

The end of COIE brought back my appreciation of the Superman Family

But I in no way (Other than Kara ) left that series felling they were the focus.


I thought it was pretty broad

Pre Crisis Supes,Bats, and Wondy were sort of bit players


Supergirl, Flash and the Villains carried the day.

However in the end when the crap hits the fan it would be great if Superman was there once again. IMHO

[The Joker™]

Anybody no why supes had the grey hair?

Is it the same thing that happend to Hal?

[KAD]

I thought it was pretty broad

Pre Crisis Supes,Bats, and Wondy were sort of bit players


Supergirl, Flash and the Villains carried the day.

However in the end when the crap hits the fan it would be great if Superman was there once again. IMHO


OH I am most certain he will be


But calling him the focus is like calling the IW the focus of every FF story because she's the most powerful

[Pksoze]

Anybody no why supes had the grey hair?

Is it the same thing that happend to Hal?


That was earth 2 pre crisis Superman from the Crisis

[Pksoze]

OH I am most certain he will be


But calling him the focus is like calling the IW the focus of every FF story because she's the most powerful


I think the trinity will be the focus actually.

Johns I think will ultimately have them there at the end.

[The Batman]

Flash was not the major player he was the major person who died and become a legend after that but he was not the person they foucsed on the most. When a crisis comes they always foucs on the Superman-Family.


My god, does your superman ass kissing get annoying

[KAD]

I think the trinity will be the focus actually.

Johns I think will ultimately have them there at the end.


The Trinity will be reunited at the end only it wont be the samer Trinity


Remember this quote from issue 1 "It's not about control, It's about doing everything I can"

[The Batman]

It's not the original Superboy, its Earth Prime Superboy ;)

ohhhh....

so wheres the original superboy then?

[KAD]

ohhhh....

so wheres the original superboy then?

In continuity terms no it's not the original,


But in real world terms it is.

[The Batman]

Oh, ok.

i'd like to see him and conner duke it out....

[The Joker™]

That was earth 2 pre crisis Superman from the Crisis



:confused:

How many Supermans are there? :joker:

[The Batman]

you know...Earth 2 Supes coming back to clean things up was real symbolic for me...

its as if...the real superman burst though that barrier to save the DCU, since this powered down marvelized post-crisis version cant do it.

[Pksoze]

:confused:

How many Supermans are there? :joker:


Before 1985 there were two Supermen.

The first one was the Golden Age Superman. The one who debuted in 1938. His stories were in a series called Superman Family. The difference was he was and was older editor of the Daily Star. He was also married to Lois. Power Girl was his cousin.

The other Supes was the Silver Age version who was very powerful and was the main focus of the Supes titles till 1985. He worked in the Planet and wasn't married. Supergirl was his cousin.

Anyway Golden Age Supes stopped a really bad guy called the Anti Monitor and was returned to paradise. The thing was everybody forgot he ever existed. And its been that way for 20 years.

[deathshead2]

supermans back back again and I think there will be a fight between the superman to give this universes superman the hint that its time to get off his butt and do something.Oh and from seeing supes again I must say [spolier]I think the anti-moniter is coming back[/spoiler]

[Motown Marvel]

so it appears they're reviving the mutliple earths stuff, which will work for the time being as im sure they have it all planned out...but what about in the future? it seems continuity to become a jumbled mess again.

[The Batman]

who said the multiple earths were here to stay??

[Tamanon]

I think this whole thing will lead into the choice of whether to reinstitute the Multiple Earths or not. That at least could be what the solicitations about Batman and Green Arrow deciding whether to choose a world with their "wildest desires" mean.

Hrm......very interesting and damn does this series start off with a real bang:)

[Motown Marvel]

who said the multiple earths were here to stay??


well, no one said it will stay...but it IS a possibility at this point. i personally hope they dont stay...if they want to utilize the multiple earths stuff to support the story of this series, thats cool...but i hope its not something that lingers around afterwards because it'd be destined to get screwed up again years from now.

[The Batman]

personally, i doubt it. i think they want the DCU as streamlined as possible. if anything, i bet Earth 2 Supes, Prime Superboy, and all those guys end up dying in IC

[taskmaster]

Batman a the Spectre can't wait to see that, if it happens

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe they're the whole reason why reality's started unraveling and they'll realize it in the end.

I figured it was the "survivors" of the original Crisis about halfway through the comic. The silhouette of the hair and the holier-than-thou narration about how the heroes had squandered their single universe tipped me off. Great start regardless, though. I can't wait to see how all of the threads come together. I'm looking forward to what "Truth and Justice" is, too.

[Lackey]

so it appears they're reviving the mutliple earths stuff, which will work for the time being as im sure they have it all planned out...but what about in the future? it seems continuity to become a jumbled mess again.


well as of right now, there aren't multiple earths... the characters who survived COIE are around, but their original earths are gone

[sikkbones]

personally, i doubt it. i think they want the DCU as streamlined as possible. if anything, i bet Earth 2 Supes, Prime Superboy, and all those guys end up dying in IC


i have a hunch we are going to see a reboot of some characters.

[The Batman]

Batman a the Spectre can't wait to see that, if it happens

If that happens, i'll never read DC again....

ok, wait, i would. But i hope it dosent happen.

[Lackey]

If that happens, i'll never read DC again....

ok, wait, i would. But i hope it dosent happen.


what if post-crisis Batman becomes the Spectre and pre-crisis Batman takes his place? ;)


Seriously, I'm still thinking Corrigan becomes the Spectre

[TheCorpulent1]

I wonder if Gotham Central's Corrigan is some weird, heretofore unknown holdover from another Earth, where Jim Corrigan was a bastard. As far as I know, the Corrigan from the post-Crisis Earth was a decent cop.
If that happens, i'll never read DC again....

ok, wait, i would. But i hope it dosent happen.
It doesn't strike me as a good idea either. For a number of reasons, but mostly just because I don't think he'd work any better than the previous bearer of that particular mantle.

[jaydawg]

Wait, there were survivors? I thought everyone simply got melded into one entity.

[Tamanon]

Hrm.....some speculation....

Johns and DiDio both said that the characters weren't acting the way they normally are expected to. You saw this in Wonder Woman with Max Lord and later with Mongul, in Superman, you're not seeing him as a shining example of a hero, more like just the guy who saves the day, not the inspiration. Batman's too distrusting and dark. All 3 are bad examples when you want to hold up someone to be a hero. The Golden Age people are going to attempt to show them the error of their ways, and how to be a HERO.

The problem is, life isn't that simple. I'm betting the Golden Agers fail, then realize that heroism needs to be tempered with reality, or with emotions. That the Trinity just marks what happens when the emotions are taken to the extreme. At the end, the solution will be combining both personalities. Thus the current trinity and heroes will be changed.

Now to see if some heroes reject the change, believing their way to be right and thus, push pride to the extreme and you have arrogance, tip that a bit and you've got a villain. I can see that happening to Nightwing actually......



Just my two cents, I think I love speculating almost as much as reading the comics:)

[TheCorpulent1]

Wait, there were survivors? I thought everyone simply got melded into one entity.
Apparently not.

[Lackey]

Everyone on the cover of IC #2 survived the COIE :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Everyone on the cover of IC #2 survived the COIE :)
I guess we know Power Girl's "new" origin, too.

[The Batman]

I wonder if Gotham Central's Corrigan is some weird, heretofore unknown holdover from another Earth, where Jim Corrigan was a bastard. As far as I know, the Corrigan from the post-Crisis Earth was a decent cop.

It doesn't strike me as a good idea either. For a number of reasons, but mostly just because I don't think he'd work any better than the previous bearer of that particular mantle.


Exactly. in any event, it seems like they're setting up corrigan to be spectre...

[jaydawg]

Back to wikipedia I go.....

[newmexneon]

Do we still not know who blew up the watchtower in JLA 119? I read IC and JLA 120 and it didn't talk about who blew up the tower just that it had been destroyed.

[Lackey]

nope, we don't know

[The Black Mask]

it's a mystery as to who took out the watchtower in JLA #119.

[sikkbones]

I guess we know Power Girl's "new" origin, too.
one problem: these guys could all be pyscho pirate's creations.

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt they are.

[Kaleb]

urghh reading this whole thread has given me a headache.

[Bat-Mantis]

one problem: these guys could all be pyscho pirate's creations.But why? And who would they be showing off to? I mean, they were isolated and talking amongst themselves (the characters at the end of issue 1... the "survivors")... why would Psycho Pirate's creations be doing that?

[droogiedroogie2]

I've been skeptical of IC since Waid's comments about lightening up Batman, but this really starts to sound good. Here's a drink to good epic comics.

[Lackey]

Read the Geoff Johns Q&A thread I made below for an update on Waid's comment.

[Supergirl]

Mark Waid's comments were changed, and reworded...

[droogiedroogie2]

I read the Johns thing, and I know Waid's thing was blown up to be more than it was, but it still got me on edge. Batman is my favorite character. When all is said and done, beyond his personality flaws, beyond DCU crises, beyond who he can and can't defeat in combat, Batman is the ultimate character in any kind of fiction, and if they fcck with him I will be very sad.

[Primal Slayer]

Now Bats needs someone from his Bat family to remember the multiple earths since someone in the Supes/WW familys remember everything

[rssbatfan]

this is going to be a great series, although i worry about the "big 3". can't wait to find out who blew up the watchtower.

[The Batman]

Mark Waid's comments were changed, and reworded...

the guy who interviewed him was one of the first people to set the record straight. He said after the interview was done, they talked more about batman and they agreed that JLU Batman would be perfect for a DCU post-infinite crisis.

But, those who didnt overreact thinking Batmans suddenly gonna be ten times lighter got what waid meant from the beginning

[TheCorpulent1]

It's weird how so many people assumed Waid meant we'd be getting a Dick Sprang/Adam West-style Batman again after IC. He didn't say anything like that, and I'm sure nobody wants that. Even Johns, who seems committed to bringing Batman down a peg, still says that he wants Batman to be edgy and dark, just not overbearingly so like he's been for the last few years. In my opinion, if they went back to Batman circa something as recent as Bruce Wayne: Fugitive, even, and maybe introduced a bit more of the animated universe's influence on him, he'd be spot-on.

[Amazing Afroman]

Question: When did everyone stop remembering the Multiverse?

At the end of COIE all the heroes that had gone to the dawn of time still remembered what had just happened. I know that afterward many titles were rebooted. How did DC explain things being different. Was another universe later created based on the amalgimation from COIE, are we just assuming that everyone forgot or something else. Damn it, why did I have to be a toddler when this happened? :(

[Lackey]

It's weird how so many people assumed Waid meant we'd be getting a Dick Sprang/Adam West-style Batman again after IC. He didn't say anything like that, and I'm sure nobody wants that. Even Johns, who seems committed to bringing Batman down a peg, still says that he wants Batman to be edgy and dark, just not overbearingly so like he's been for the last few years. In my opinion, if they went back to Batman circa something as recent as Bruce Wayne: Fugitive, even, and maybe introduced a bit more of the animated universe's influence on him, he'd be spot-on.


I agree, Rucka did a fine job re-establishing Batman's character, it's just sad that other writers chose to ignore it.

[roach]

so maybe Earth-2 Superman blew up the Watchtower?????

[Lackey]

don't think so

[Lackey]

Question: When did everyone stop remembering the Multiverse?

At the end of COIE all the heroes that had gone to the dawn of time still remembered what had just happened. I know that afterward many titles were rebooted. How did DC explain things being different. Was another universe later created based on the amalgimation from COIE, are we just assuming that everyone forgot or something else. Damn it, why did I have to be a toddler when this happened? :(


If I were you, I wouldn't worry about it... supposedly Johns will explain it all in issue #2.

but there are plenty of places on the net, like wikipedia, where you can get all the info you want on COIE

[TheCorpulent1]

so maybe Earth-2 Superman blew up the Watchtower?????
Seemed like they were trapped in that little womb with the TVs ever since the previous Crisis to me.

[Anubis]

Maybe it really was superman that blew up the watchtower, only it was Max Lord in control of his body again. The guy is known to jump bodies every now and then, and if he was able to f**k with Supes mind for so many years, I could certainly believe he could bury himself deep enough within Supes' mind that J'onn wouldn't be able to find him.

[newmexneon]

I think it was Ultraman from the anti-matter universe. If the new crisis is a sequel to the old crisis then I think the anti-monitor is going to return and attempt to destroy the positive matter universe and put the anti-matter universe as the sole universe.

[The Ether]

you know...Earth 2 Supes coming back to clean things up was real symbolic for me...

its as if...the real superman burst though that barrier to save the DCU, since this powered down marvelized post-crisis version cant do it.
I was thinking the same thing,

But I find the death of Uncle Sam even more symbolic. Since Uncle Sam represents Truth(Wonder Woman), Justice(Batman), and the American Way(Superman), he dies, at the same moment the Trinity moves on there seperate ways.

I was trying my best not to read this comic until I collect the whole series, but it was in front of me:(.......so i read it and......it was great:up:. What I love the most about Johns writing is his ability to explain certain events and not confuse the readers whether its there first time or veterans. The dialogue is great, Bizarro fits perfectly. Some might not agree but I do when Batman had the conversation with Superman about him being an inspiration to the world(Batman is on a role in put downs lately, owned Dick Grayson on All-Star, and now Supes in IC:p ).

anyways, can't wait for the next issue

[Assassin]

its pre-crisis superman at the end right? and superboy from superboy and the legion of sh, who were the other guys?

[BrianWilly]

Anyone who has questions about the original Crisis on Infinite Earths, click on these links: Part 1 (http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/8.html) and Part 2 (http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/9.html). From the moviepoopshoot.com Comics 101 -- a site that has been unbelievably invaluable to a Bronze Age baby like me -- it explains almost everything you need to know about the former Crisis. I've never read CoIE, and just from reading that site I feel like I can explain exactly what it was about and why there are two Supermen and Lex Luthors in existence right now.

[Supergirl]

its pre-crisis superman at the end right? and superboy from superboy and the legion of sh, who were the other guys?
It was the Earth 2 Superman, and not the Superboy from LOSH, it was Superboy from Earth Prime. The lady was Lois Lane from E2 and the red head was Alex Luthor from E3. You should read COIE and you'd know their story ;)

[deathshead2]

So now theres 3 lex luthers man theres going to be a fight!

[The Ether]

hey Assassin love ur aviator :up:

[Pksoze]

I think it was Ultraman from the anti-matter universe. If the new crisis is a sequel to the old crisis then I think the anti-monitor is going to return and attempt to destroy the positive matter universe and put the anti-matter universe as the sole universe.


I was thinking about that.

Remember what Bats asked in Infinite Crisis about who benefits?

Who benefits from universal war as a giant vortex forms?

Who benefits from having magic marginalized and players like Spectre gone?

Who benefits with an army of Omacs against the heroes?


I think who benefits is a being of immense power who is trying to come back & slowly eliminate its enemies.

The Omacs are the new Shadow army for the Anti Monitor I believe.

And with an ally like Eclipso the Anti Monitor could take Spectre & ALL the magic guys who majorly damaged him in the original Crisis off the board.

[King_Mungi]

So now theres 3 lex luthers man theres going to be a fight!

It's Alex Luther

[deathshead2]

Was the anti-moniter able to change his apperance cus if he was then I think he is that other lex luther working his way back up the food chain of evil.John also said to wait and see becuase the anti-moniter may be returning.

[KAD]

It's Alex Luther


Bingo

[King_Mungi]

Was the anti-moniter able to change his apperance cus if he was then I think he is that other lex luther working his way back up the food chain of evil.John also said to wait and see becuase the anti-moniter may be returning.

Yes, he will be reappearing. Hinted at the end of Rann-Thanagar War with the worm hole opening.

Alex Luther bio:
http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=alexanderluthor

http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=alexanderluthorjr

[The Black Mask]

it is sad to see the trinity endend.

batman, wonder woman, superman.... no longer a trinity of heroes together.

[Pksoze]

Was the anti-moniter able to change his apperance cus if he was then I think he is that other lex luther working his way back up the food chain of evil.John also said to wait and see becuase the anti-moniter may be returning.


No he wasn't like that. He's can't change into a human.

[The Ether]

I feel that the anti-monitor is coming back as well since pre-supes is back, not complaining though cuz then you'll get a rematch with powergirl and the anti-monitor.

the people you think are going to die:
powergirl(not completely certain)
pre-crisis superman
batman(not completely certain)
Zatanna(since magic MIGHT die)
psycho-pirate
alex luthor

still coming...

[Pksoze]

This is how the Anti Monitor originally looked like

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/apr23/anti-monitor.jpg

This is how he looked like after Supergirl destroyed his body.

http://spider-bob.com/gods_monsters/dc/images/AntiMonitor01.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

yeah so is this picture here suppose to be suggestive of something
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/9615/spectrebatman1gd.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it suggests that the Spectre and a bunch of magic types went to Gotham.

[Scorpion]

I read the Johns thing, and I know Waid's thing was blown up to be more than it was, but it still got me on edge. Batman is my favorite character. When all is said and done, beyond his personality flaws, beyond DCU crises, beyond who he can and can't defeat in combat, Batman is the ultimate character in any kind of fiction, and if they fcck with him I will be very sad.

Waid's comment was the equivalent of George Bush Sr.'s comment in his presidential run in 1988, when he said "No new taxes."

Bush is all,...'Well, when I said No,...new,...taxes,....I didn't really mean 'No,' and in NONE,...'New,' as in NOT AS IT WAS,...and 'Taxes,' as in the money the government rapes its citizens of every time they get paid. I meant something else entirely when I said 'No new taxes.' Didn't you guys get that?"

Waid worded things poorly and had he said things properly from the get go,...all of the die hard, hard core Bat fans, like myself, wouldn't have gotten or G- Strings in a ruffle.

[Czar Colossus]

Question: When did everyone stop remembering the Multiverse?

At the end of COIE all the heroes that had gone to the dawn of time still remembered what had just happened. I know that afterward many titles were rebooted. How did DC explain things being different. Was another universe later created based on the amalgimation from COIE, are we just assuming that everyone forgot or something else. Damn it, why did I have to be a toddler when this happened? :(
Damn, I feel so old; I remember buying this when it first came out. For me it's right up there with Kingdom Come, Dark Knight Returns, & Watchmen as my favorite stories in all of comics. Hopefully this new series will live up to that standard as well. :batman: :supes:

[TheRiddlerkid]

Question: What stinks while living but in death smells good?

Answer: PIGS!


It's a great first book, I missed out on all the tie ins (OMAC, THANAGARIAN WAR ect.) I only got countdown and the #1 issue. I hope to be getting the villains united 1 throw 6 soon.

but if anyone can answer some of my questions, please tell me. Thanks.

[TheRiddlerkid]

O yah is Captain Cold involved in anything?

[Bat-Mantis]

yeah so is this picture here suppose to be suggestive of something
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/9615/spectrebatman1gd.jpg
I noticed that too... thought that image was awesome. Everything about it is fantastic. The art in this book kicks my ass. As for the Bruce/Spectre thing... it does look like a hint, but at the same time it may be subtle misdirection.
One slight nitpick about it, though. They removed the bat-signal from the Gotham PD... they had the pull out the little wimpy laser signal in the last issue of Gotham Central. There's still a chance they could replace it with the good ol' spotlight since the next issue of Gotham Central occurs alongside the Rock of Eternity disaster. Or maybe that’s just the laser signal. Eh. *shrugs*

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it was pretty fitting that Jimenez is drawing it. George Perez drew the original Crisis, and now his de facto successor Phil Jimenez is drawing its sequel 20 years later. That was cool.

I'm really looking forward to the next Gotham Central issue. I can't wait to see Allen's story amidst all the chaos, and especially some exploration of how magic--just about the furthest thing from Gotham Central as you can possibly find--comes crashing into Gotham.

[sikkbones]

spoiler
last page of IC#2
http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/7482/scan00338hj.jpg

don't click unless u want to be spoiled.
this looks cool.. hope it ends up as a poster....

i also wonder wonder why lois is old as dirt but sb of earth prime hasn't aged a day?

[TheCorpulent1]

Lois is so old because she's from the Earth-2 Superman's world and she grew old with him. None of them have aged; that's how all of them looked at the end of the last Crisis.

[sikkbones]

Lois is so old because she's from the Earth-2 Superman's world and she grew old with him. None of them have aged; that's how all of them looked at the end of the last Crisis.

I guess we're pretty much done with any kind of spoiler tagging now, huh? Not much else to spoil beyond the last page...

i thought that was the last page.

[Bat-Mantis]

i thought that was the last page.It was. And you just kind of posted it without any warnings in a thread that isn't labeled with a spoiler warning.
If you can somehow make it a clickable link with a spoiler warning instead, please do so. :up:

EDIT: Thankye, sir.

[sikkbones]

It was. And you just kind of posted it without any warnings in a thread that isn't labeled with a spoiler warning.
If you can somehow make it a clickable link with a spoiler warning instead, please do so. :up:


happy now?
someone might want to use the spoiler tag on there post in responce to my edit tho.

[sikkbones]

i've been looking over a whole bunch of COIE stuff and stumbled on this page:
http://www.io.com/~woodward/chroma/crisis12.html

check out the line beginning with 12.38.14 (towards the bottom the the page) i think it might apply to the cover of IC #2

[Scorpion]

You can bet this is misdirection,...why would they be so blatant and obvious in the first issue?

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/9615/spectrebatman1gd.jpg

[Scorpion]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv2.jpg

Where'd you find this,...and are there more???

[The Joker™]

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/INCRCv2.jpg


Whos that Superman in the Right corner? :joker:

[Scorpion]

Superboy.

[TheIntellectual]

Allow me to ask a question... where is Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Supes hanging out at?

[The Ether]

I thought it was pretty fitting that Jimenez is drawing it. George Perez drew the original Crisis, and now his de facto successor Phil Jimenez is drawing its sequel 20 years later. That was cool.
I agree, it was a good idea to put Geoff Johns as the writer as well, since IMO he is like this decades Marv Wolfman. It's a good thing that DC has both Perez and Wolfman contributing to this also knowing withouth them there wouldn't be a crisis.

[ShadowBoxing]

You can bet this is misdirection,...why would they be so blatant and obvious in the first issue?

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/9615/spectrebatman1gd.jpgwho said this is blatant and obvious.

[Supergirl]

Allow me to ask a question... where is Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Supes hanging out at?
Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman became Post-Crisis Superman :confused:

[Emerald Knight]

Best F***ING opener ever. This DOES look like a job for Superman ;)

[Dope Nose]

Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman became Post-Crisis Superman :confused:

Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman married Lois and appeared to have lost his powers in 'Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?', however he recently showed up in a few issues of Superman/Batman.

[Mr. McCarthy]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!! Now we gotta wait another F**kin' month to see what happens!!!

[The Joker™]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!! Now we gotta wait another F**kin' month to see what happens!!!


Yeah I hate that.

[Kitsune]

That last page was great. How much you want to bet the "her" they are refering to is PG?