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[Venom Drool]

im sure well get the usual hockey sucks blah blah. so its expected. and its cool. youll just contribute to bumping the thread to the top..

m yfave team

Canadians..

as the free agent market opened today... we will be hearing lots of rumours.. such as forsberg and naslund wanting to go a a package.

players like kovalev, neidermayer, aucoin, modano, palffy, foote, etc are available.

will be a pretty damn exciting week.

[Venom Drool]

list of free agents who are unrestricted

ANAHEIM
None.

ATLANTA
Shawn McEachern.

BOSTON
Sergei Gonchar, Martin Lapointe.

BUFFALO
None.

CALGARY
Martin Gelinas, Andrei Trefilov.

CAROLINA
Glen Wesley.

CHICAGO
Steve Poapst.

COLORADO
Vincent Damphousse, Adam Foote, Peter Forsberg, Darby Hendrickson.

COLUMBUS
Arturs Irbe, Jaroslav Spacek.

DALLAS
Rob DiMaio, Mike Modano, Don Sweeney, Patrick Traverse, Sergei Zubov.

DETROIT
Curtis Joseph, Stacy Roest, Jason Woolley, Steve Yzerman.

EDMONTON
Igor Ulanov.

FLORIDA
None.

LOS ANGELES
Roman Cechmanek, Stephane Quintal, Luc Robitaille, Martin Straka.

MINNESOTA
Andrew Brunette.

MONTREAL
Patrice Brisebois, Karl Dykhuis.

NASHVILLE
Tony Hrkac, Greg Johnson, Jim McKenzie.

NEW JERSEY
Scott Niedermayer, Brian Rafalski, Scott Stevens.

NEW YORK ISLANDERS
Adrian Aucoin, Jim Campbell, Roman Hamrlik.

NEW YORK RANGERS
Mike Dunham, Jason Marshall.

OTTAWA
None.

PHILADELPHIA
Sean Burke, Claude Lapointe, Marcus Ragnarsson, John Slaney.

PHOENIX
Andrei Nazarov.

PITTSBURGH
Mike Eastwood.

ST. LOUIS
Alexander Khavanov.

SAN JOSE
Mike Rathje.

TAMPA BAY
Dave Andreychuk, Nikolai Khabibulin.

TORONTO
Tie Domi, Brian Leetch, Alexander Mogilny, Joe Nieuwendyk, Gary Roberts.

VANCOUVER
Brad May, Markus Naslund.

WASHINGTON
Stephane Beauregard.

[Kipobe]

I'm not that big of a Hockey fan, but what the hell "go lightning" :)

*spits*

[Slipknot]

Boston better get some pretty damn good Free Agents with all that cap room they have right now.

[Venom Drool]

Boston better get some pretty damn good Free Agents with all that cap room they have right now.

haha
you cant beat us in the playoffs :o

but the canadians need a power forward and a d man for sure. they need size. were fast.. .but were also puny :(

[kane9321]

go sharks go sharks..please someone take mike rathje ..please

[3dman27]

i think i'll give hockey a try this year last year i tried football and liked it lets see if history repeats itself

[Venom Drool]

doesnt matter.. even if no one pcks him up... hes not on san jose any more

[kane9321]

wtf venom?...i was just on our website..didnt mention this...u sure

[Dark Donnie]

Here we go Flyers!!!!!!!!! Rumors around here are that we are going to sign Niedermeyer!

[Venom Drool]

hes unrestricted... that means he has no contract with SJ... anyone can pick him up and offer him any deal they want. thats what unrestricted means... he has no ties to the team

[Venom Drool]

bump for those wishing to talk about the draft etc.

[Venom Drool]

bruins acquired isbister for a third round pick

[John Constantine]

Meh, it's no skin off the Oilers back. He never really panned out like what we wanted him to be, plus he was extremely injury prone :o

Oh, and Panthers signed the duo of Roberts and Nieuwendyk.

There are rumors that there might be a lot of duo FA signings - Forsberg/Naslund, Lindros/Leclair.....

[Venom Drool]

i really doubt florida has the money or team chemistry to do that.. nor do i think players as high caliber as naslund etc would sign with a losing franchise

[Slipknot]

haha
you cant beat us in the playoffs :o
But even though we don't beat you guys... you guys usually lose in the next round anyways, so it all works out.

[Slipknot]

bruins acquired isbister for a third round pick
He isn't bad.

[Venom Drool]

But even though we don't beat you guys... you guys usually lose in the next round anyways, so it all works out.

ya but we make at least a mllion more so :o

[Slipknot]

ya but we make at least a mllion more so :o
What does your owner do with that extra million? I didn't see him go out and spend it wisely... so meh.

[Venom Drool]

the signings just started :o

[Dark Donnie]

i really doubt florida has the money or team chemistry to do that.. nor do i think players as high caliber as naslund etc would sign with a losing franchise
I think he meant around the league there looks to be alot of duo signings!

I keep reading about players staying in Europe to play this season and not returning!

[John Constantine]

i really doubt florida has the money or team chemistry to do that.. nor do i think players as high caliber as naslund etc would sign with a losing franchise

Actually, I'm not saying that Florida will sign them. Just that I wouldn't be surprised to see Forsberg go where Naslund goes. The same with Leclair and Lindros.

There is word that Anaheim is interested in getting Naslund due to the Brian Burke connection......

[Pksoze]

http://members.shaw.ca/vanvliets/Flyer_pic.jpg

[Venom Drool]

tripod.. interesting :confused:

[Pksoze]

tripod.. interesting :confused:


You don't see anything?

[Dark Donnie]

either do I

[Venom Drool]

http://members.shaw.ca/vanvliets/Flyer_pic.jpg
brilliant

[Venom Drool]

seems like tonight's pretty much done as far as signings are concerned

[John Constantine]

Not really. Adam Foote just signed a contract with the Columbus Blue Jackets.

[Venom Drool]

whered you get that from..its not on nhl.com??

[John Constantine]

sportsnet.ca :)

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20050801_230313_4120

I'm following that one more than yahoo because, well, it's better :up:

[Venom Drool]

****ing mother ****er...i wanted him :mad:

[John Constantine]

That sounds like one of the biggest signings of today....so far :o

I think the next few days are going to be an even bigger flurry of action

[Venom Drool]

well.. whose gonna get fors and naslund for one thing.. kariya too :o

[John Constantine]

Naslund will probably go to Anaheim. I could see Vancouver signing Kariya in return, because it's his hometown.


Interesting rumor out there that says that Modano might sign with Boston and the Bruins will deal Thornton. While it would mean that Thornton will get reunited with Mike Keenan, I think it's total bull****. Why the hell would Boston sign Modano, a center who's a bit older and might make about the same amount as Thornton?

[Venom Drool]

doesnt make much sense.. but the garbage about signing in hometowns is over the top... if he team isnt interested..it just isnt interested...im hoping montreal is active cause we really need to upgrade

[John Constantine]

I think Vancouver is interested in Kariya though. Why wouldn't they be? Particularly if they lose Naslund. I'm just saying that Vancouver is a good place for Kariya to rejuvenate his career, particularly after a horrible season in Colorado.

[Venom Drool]

perhaps...but vancouver didnt sign naslund for lack of room... so i dont think kariys will be satisfied with what van can offer him

[John Constantine]

How much could Kariya make though? He really didn't score that many points his last year.....

And I see Naslund leaving probably more with the situation in Vancouver than maybe monetary reasons.....

[Venom Drool]

his resume is outstanding.. that remains fact.. .and unless hes packaaged perhaps... wont accept any offer under 6 mill

[John Constantine]

That usually means nothing though. That would mean that John Leclair and Eric Lindros would also get about 6-7 million as well. Do you really think teams might give Lindros a huge contract despite putting up good numbers in the past?

And remember, Kariya only made about 1.5 million in Colorado. I think teams might look at his numbers in Colorado(11 goals, 25 assists in 51 games) as an indication that they'll sign him at a lower price.

At least that's what I hope happens or else we're back to where we started before the lockout.....

[Venom Drool]

well he earned so little to be eligible for something rather..i think free agency... it was a while back so i dont remeber... he had a bad season..true.. but leclair will be frowned on for his age..lindros for bieng a whiny ***** and knocking his head everywhere...kariya had one bad season :o...

i know you're hoping..
but im hoping mtl gets him first heh.. he can help on the line a lot

[John Constantine]

Are you sure Montreal wants Kariya and his 5'10" stature? Didn't you say a few posts back that Montreal should get a power forward instead? ;)

[Venom Drool]

well hes tall considering the guys we got :o.. and hes pretty big too... basically.. hes got the ability to lay some smackdown if needed but... well...

we need a star.. id like kovalev back.. a power forward and a d man.. my first choice was foote.. now..i dont see anyone..aucoin woulda fit but he wants back in with the isles

[John Constantine]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kovalev go back to Pittsburgh. He really only excelled in that team, plus who wouldn't want to play on a team with Lemieux and Crosby now?

And as for D, Montreal can always get back Brisebois :o


Personally, I'm hoping the Oilers do get a number 1 center, but not at a huge cost. I wouldn't mind seeing them get a Pavol Demitra or Jason Allison. Anybody but Mark Messier! :mad: :mad:

[Venom Drool]

we signed a golie which took everyone off. so im wondering what the **** gainey is doing. brisebois is gone.. .feck off i say. kovalev did maxzing in the playoffs with us.. slow start but picked up when we hit the playoffs. he can be consistent.. especially with koivu since i thin khe rivals lemieux as far as playmaking ability...

[Dark Donnie]

Are the Flyers in the market for anyone, or are they trimming payroll? I heard they wanted Neidermeyer, and I know there calling up the two young guys along with Nittymaki.

[Venom Drool]

they trimmed a lot as it is... no rumpurs have been mentioned about them

[Dark Donnie]

I knew they bought out Leclair and Amonte, both those guys were on there last legs!

[Venom Drool]

ya well... they were on the verge of becomming the new rangers...so.. i think obtaining quality as opposed to quantity is what they need

Isles got qulaity for example.. like ottawa... they just dont know how to use it :rolleyes:

[John Constantine]

Are the Flyers in the market for anyone, or are they trimming payroll? I heard they wanted Neidermeyer, and I know there calling up the two young guys along with Nittymaki.

They have Jeff Carter and Mike Richards. Two very, very good young forwards. Not to mention they have Joni Pitkanen and they have a pretty good, young squad :o

[Venom Drool]

They have Jeff Carter and Mike Richards. Two very, very good young forwards. Not to mention they have Joni Pitkanen and they have a pretty good, young squad :o
they... like the rangers realized..oh ****.. we ****ed up

[Dark Donnie]

They have Jeff Carter and Mike Richards. Two very, very good young forwards. Not to mention they have Joni Pitkanen and they have a pretty good, young squad :o
yeah those are the guys from the Phantoms, but something is going on with there contracts or something I heard.

[John Constantine]

I heard they already signed them. But to minimum rookie contracts......

[Dark Donnie]

I heard they already signed them. But to minimum rookie contracts......
maybe your right! I heard rumors about Jagr possibly staying over in Europe to play this season.

[Dark Donnie]

So the Flyers Signed Hatcher and Rathje, which sadly means no Neidermeyer probably.
Aucoin signed with the Blackhawks :down: !

[danielisthor]

i really doubt florida has the money or team chemistry to do that.. nor do i think players as high caliber as naslund etc would sign with a losing franchise


Well, i will have to defend my Panthers. We have alot of salary cap space, play in sunny S. Florida, no state income tax, hot spanish women all over the place, and a good core of young players. South Florida will always attract players from all pro leagues. Both players Roberts and Nieuwendyk received twice the money and twice the years that the Leafs offered them.

[danielisthor]

his resume is outstanding.. that remains fact.. .and unless hes packaaged perhaps... wont accept any offer under 6 mill


I think the high salaries in the NHL are over. A single player cannot make over a certain percentage of the salary cap.

[Dark Donnie]

More updates:
Chris Therian resigns with the Flyers!

ESPN News is reporting that Mike Modano signed with the Bruins!

[danielisthor]

a saw a blip that Holik is signing with the Atlanta Thrashers.

[3dman27]

it'll be intresting to TunE into hockey and find out what you're talking about

[John Constantine]

a saw a blip that Holik is signing with the Atlanta Thrashers.

Yep. A three-year deal worth $4.25 million in the first year.

Kinda interesting that teams like Florida, Columbus, and Atlanta are having the first crack at FA's now...:o

Oh, and Pavol Demitra apparently signed with the LA Kings. ****! :mad: :(

[danielisthor]

Yep. A three-year deal worth $4.25 million in the first year.

Kinda interesting that teams like Florida, Columbus, and Atlanta are having the first crack at FA's now...:o

Oh, and Pavol Demitra apparently signed with the LA Kings. ****! :mad: :(


I don't know what the cap space of Columbus and Atlanta were, but Florida had barely a handful of players under contract for a total of maybe 5mil, most of their free agents are restricted so they have a lot of cap space available.

[Slipknot]

ESPN News is reporting that Mike Modano signed with the Bruins!
I would have rathered Naslund... but Modano will do. It isn't a done deal yet... it just said "Modano is expected to sign with the Boston Bruins".

[John Constantine]

I don't know what the cap space of Columbus and Atlanta were, but Florida had barely a handful of players under contract for a total of maybe 5mil, most of their free agents are restricted so they have a lot of cap space available.

Yeah, that's what I heard too. Probably why the other big-market teams aren't signing that many players. They have a few players tied up in contracts already.....

[Dark Donnie]

Apparently the Flyers were looking at signing Foote but lost out :down

The Flyers traded Danny Markov to Nashville for a third round pick in 06!

And Yserman resigned for one year!

[Shifty]

If you haven't seen this, check it out. All the teams and what the current payroll stands at roughly.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature.asp?fid=6926

[Venom Drool]

Tuesday, August 2

Atlanta Thrashers - Signed unrestricted free agent forward Bobby Holik.

Boston Bruins - Re-signed free agent winger Glen Murray. Signed free agent winger Shawn McEachern.

Calgary Flames - Signed unrestricted free agent Tony Amonte. Signed unrestricted free agent Darren McCarty.

Carolina Hurricanes - Signed unrestricted free agent Cory Stillman.

Chicago Blackhawks - Signed unrestricted free agent defenceman Adrian Aucoin.

Detroit Red Wings - Re-signed unrestricted free agent Steve Yzerman.

Florida Panthers - Signed free agents Martin Gelinas, Joel Kwiatkowski.

Los Angeles Kings - Signed winger Pavol Demitra. Signed free agent goaltender Jason LaBarbera.

Montreal Canadiens - Signed defenceman Francis Bouillon. Signed unrestricted free agent forward Peter Vandermeer.

New York Islanders - Signed unrestricted free agent defenceman Alexei Zhitnik.

New York Rangers - Re-signed restricted free agent goaltender Kevin Weekes. Signed unrestricted free agent forward Martin Straka and unrestricted free agent defenceman Marek Malik.

Ottawa Senators - Re-signed unrestricted free agent Denis Hamel.

Philadelphia Flyers - Signed unrestricted free agent defencemen Derian Hatcher, Mike Rathje and Chris Therien. Signed free agent forward Jon Sim. Traded defenceman Danny Markov to Nashville for a 3rd round pick in 2006.

St. Louis Blues - Signed free agent forward Trent Whitfield.

[gap5ewl]

well at least the strike is over im getting excited for the season.

[Immortalfire]

Dangit, I was hoping Atlanta would resign McEachern :(

Oh well, we've got Mellanby ready. Adding to an already great lineup.

[Shifty]

Report:Modano inks 5-year deal with Stars
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=132175
TSN.ca Staff
8/2/2005 10:16:08 PM

After speculation that he may be on the move to another city, it appears that Mike Modano will remain - and most likely finish his career - with the Dallas Stars.

According to RDS.ca, Modano signed a five-year deal to remain with the same organization that drafted him in 1988. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

On Monday, reports indicated that Modano would sign with one of three teams that were courting the forward's services - the Boston Bruins, Atlanta Thrashers and Pittsburgh Penguins.

Drafted by the Minnesota North Stars in the 1st round (1st overall), Modano has collected 458 goals and 1106 points in 1101 career games.

[Slipknot]

Good, Modano is getting up there in age. I really didn't want him to come to Boston with some big deal.

[Dark Donnie]

Blues Trade Chris Pronger To Edmonton
For Defensemen Eric Brewer, Doug Lynch and Jeff Woywitka

[3dman27]

Yep. A three-year deal worth $4.25 million in the first year.

Kinda interesting that teams like Florida, Columbus, and Atlanta are having the first crack at FA's now...:o
:(
well i underrstand the tampa ba lightning is considered the campions since they were the last team to win the stanley cup before the strike

[John Constantine]

Blues Trade Chris Pronger To Edmonton
For Defensemen Eric Brewer, Doug Lynch and Jeff Woywitka

What the ****? :mad:

Unless they're willing to sign Pronger to a long-term contract (because he does go unrestricted next year), horrible horrible trade. Particularly since we traded away three good young defensemen

:mad:



EDIT: Oh wait, now I see from sportsnet that Pronger may have signed a five-year contract.


I'm not as pissed anymore......:)

[John Constantine]

A lot more signings have happened:

Vancouver resigned Naslund.

Calgary resigned Iginla.

And Pittsburgh signed Sergei Gonchar

I love this (for the time being). Every team now has a good chance of signing a FA :cool:

[Dark Donnie]

Naslund resigns with the Canunks, and Gonchar signs with the Penguins

edit: you beat me to it! :(

[John Constantine]

Just a minute too late, man :p :D

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

So I wonder what the Bolts are doing about Stillman being gone. Jassen Cullimore signed with the Blackhawks a while back so there's a void there too. I thought he was an idiot, going from the best team to one of the worst teams but I guess he really is in it for the money. I'm most impressed so far with the signings that the Blackhawks and Panthers have done.

[John Constantine]

Tampa Bay should worry about trying to sign Lecavalier to a long-term contract. He could go unrestricted next year. That might be the biggest priority for them.

That and replacing Khabibulin :confused:

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Tampa Bay should worry about trying to sign Lecavalier to a long-term contract. He could go unrestricted next year. That might be the biggest priority for them.

That and replacing Khabibulin :confused:
I don't know why they wouldn't make that happen, same with St.Louis. Khabibulin is probably a bigger concern to me, however, there's still John Grahame. Grahame probably shouldn't be our starter(although he's capable) but he's cheaper, better down low, and has more size.

[Dark Donnie]

Alexi Kovalev resigns with the Canadians

[Slipknot]

Brian Leetch to Boston. Eh, not sure how I like this. It's only a one year deal though, so that's good.

[John Constantine]

Not only did Oilers sign Pronger to a five-year deal, but they have now traded Mike York for Mike Peca :cool:


Have I mentioned how exciting the past three days have been for hockey? I want the damn season to start now! :mad: :)

[Shifty]

TSN has learned that the Philadelphia Flyers have signed Peter Forsberg to a 2-year deal worth $10.7 million.

The Flyers are over the cap so will have to make a trade.

Bobby Clarke tries and tries and and is beaten by teams with smaller payrolls in the playoffs. Now who are they going to trade? Roenick?

[John Constantine]

hahaha...that would be a funny signing by the Flyers since it was Forsberg who was one of the centerpieces in the trade that got them Lindros :D

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Brian Leetch to Boston. Eh, not sure how I like this. It's only a one year deal though, so that's good.
don't be surprised if he breaks his hip

[Dark Donnie]

hahaha...that would be a funny signing by the Flyers since it was Forsberg who was one of the centerpieces in the trade that got them Lindros :D
That would be funny! How much are they over the cap?

TSN has learned that the Philadelphia Flyers have signed Peter Forsberg to a 2-year deal worth $10.7 million.

The Flyers are over the cap so will have to make a trade.

Bobby Clarke tries and tries and and is beaten by teams with smaller payrolls in the playoffs. Now who are they going to trade? Roenick?
According to EJ Hradek, they probably are going to trade Roenick! He has been running his mouth for weeks!


Edit: I just read on another site, that there is a trade set to send Roenick to the ...............Kings!

[John Constantine]

I have to admit. Bob Clarke is assembling a pretty good team. They got Forsberg today. Got rid of Roenick and his mouth. They also signed Derian Hatcher, Chris Therien, and Mike Rathje yesterday.

Add that to the current group of players they currently have - Gagne, Pitkanen, Johnson, Primeau, Carter, RIchards....and they're not a bad team...

[Dark Donnie]

I have to admit. Bob Clarke is assembling a pretty good team. They got Forsberg today. Got rid of Roenick and his mouth. They also signed Derian Hatcher, Chris Therien, and Mike Rathje yesterday.

Add that to the current group of players they currently have - Gagne, Pitkanen, Johnson, Primeau, Carter, RIchards....and they're not a bad team...
Im happy they got rid of LeClair!! :up: Roenick was getting real annoying, constantly ripping the fans! :down I hope Esche is out of goal after the first month and Nittymaki is playing!

[John Constantine]

Leclair is already gone. They bought out his contract the same time they bought out Amonte's. :confused:

[Dark Donnie]

Leclair is already gone. They bought out his contract the same time they bought out Amonte's. :confused:
I know, I said im happy he is gone!

[Dark Donnie]

Miroslav Satan signed with the Islanders!

[3dman27]

he must get a lot of puzzeled looks about his last name

[Venom Drool]

roenick..nothing is confimed

at least we got dadenault and kovalev signed

[kane9321]

wow philly looks great on paper...cant wait for the season to start....go sharks

[John Constantine]

Anaheim has managed to win out the Scott Niedermayer sweepstakes. He signed a four year, 27 million dollar contract.

[Slipknot]

Anaheim has managed to win out the Scott Niedermayer sweepstakes. He signed a four year, 27 million dollar contract.
Can you say overpayed? That is almost seven million a year. What the hell is wrong with all these teams overpaying on players? Didn't Naslund sign a contract that would give him around six million a year?

[John Constantine]

That's because he's one of the better NHL defensemen around. He just came off a Norris trophy (I think, it may've been a year ago).

Really, only the big players are getting six million plus now - Niedermayer, Pronger, Iginla, Naslund.....

[Venom Drool]

kariya and lindros and others are still up in the air

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Khabibulin got signed by the Blackhawks to a 4 year deal

[Doobie88]

This season is gonna be AWSOME! The battle of Alberta is GONNA be GREAT!
Go FLAMES!

[Kaleb]

how did this thread get so big, esp when its about Ice Hockey ?

[John Constantine]

kariya and lindros and others are still up in the air

Lindros will probably be a last-minute signing....and probably with a very minimum contract due to various injuries.

Kariya....I dunno. I heard the Oilers are in negotiations with him....but that's all I know about him at the moment :confused:

[Shifty]

Khabibulin got signed by the Blackhawks to a 4 year deal

Well Chicago might play infront of a few sellouts this season which one wouldn't think would be possible. That hurts Tampa in the long run. I know they're making a living but I just lose respect when Stanley Cup winners leave their team for bigger money and a weaker team. Stay win a Cup again. Sure things have changed but once a few players start leaving won't be long before even more key players are gone in the coming seasons.

Kariya went to the Preds, probably so he can just play his game and not have all the attention on him, like if he went to T.O.

Going to suck for teams that have a full cap and miss the playoffs. Just more incentive to win your division.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Well Chicago might play infront of a few sellouts this season which one wouldn't think would be possible. That hurts Tampa in the long run. I know they're making a living but I just lose respect when Stanley Cup winners leave their team for bigger money and a weaker team. Stay win a Cup again. They might sell out the beginning, I can't imagine much more unless they make the playoffs. I lose respect for those types of players too, that's Jassen Cullimore, Nikolai Khabibulin, and Cory Stillman. However, pretty much everyone knew that Stillman was gone, the Bolts weren't really trying to keep him so I understand that one. I think Tampa will be ok as long as they keep Grahame and they will pick up another goalie. They really need to wake up in this offseason though. This is why I was saying that Chigago is probably the most improved, they're doing what they need to do to get a good team and I respect that.

[Philly Phanboy]

wow philly looks great on paper...cant wait for the season to start....go sharks

I don't know about that. For the last few seasons Forsberg has been injury prone and the defencemen that Philly signed are just big pilons...we'll have to see how things turn out.

[Shifty]

Penguins signed Ziggy Palffy! Some great teams aren't going to make it to the playoffs.

These are just 8 teams that can make it and thats leaving out a few like the Leafs, Blues, Preds, Bolts etc

Pens
Flyers
Devils
Sens
Bruins
Habs
Thrashers
Panthers

Flames
Canucks
Avs
Oilers
Wings
Blackhawks
Stars
Ducks

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Penguins signed Ziggy Palffy! Some great teams aren't going to make it to the playoffs.

These are just 8 teams that can make it and thats leaving out a few like the Leafs, Blues, Preds, Bolts etc

Pens
Flyers
Devils
Sens
Bruins
Habs
Thrashers
Panthers

Flames
Canucks
Avs
Oilers
Wings
Blackhawks
Stars
Ducks
you can't be serious, dude

I'm not sure about the leafs, the preds I believe have a better team,the bolts? seriously, they've bested themselves every year the past few seasons, and the blues...they've missed the playoffs a total of like 3 times since 1968.

The teams I see getting worse(thus far) are the devils,habs,canucks(first few games),avs,wings. Some of those other teams haven't even done anything. The teams I see improving the most are the blackhawks,pens,flyers,panthers,and maybe preds. Many of these teams have possible goalie situations like the Flyers. What did they offer Esche, like 500k a year? Might I also remind you that you can't just put tons of good people on a team and expect them to win(see the Rangers). If the Lightning can't retain more of their core players, I'll agree with you.

[Venom Drool]

the habs got worse


hahahaha.. .thats great since we lost... brisebois? ward? juneau?real key players there

bolts lost way too much.. i dont know who your fooling by saying they can maintain their glory from last season.. look at the canes :rolleyes:

flyers got better? you kidding me? losing leclair,amonte,roenick no matter how old or whatever you want to say... surely does not help the team aside from allow them to bring up some of the young blood they need. they got forsberg. whoopdy do. only plus for him is now he can shine.. pwrhaps if gagne feeds him.

pens obviously.. hellavalot better team, panters,flames too
ya.. perhaps the hawks but anything would be an improvement.

bolts had chemistry.. all they did now is get rid of a good portion of it

[John Constantine]

Personally, I think the one team that got worse was the Leafs. They really haven't signed many players - the one big signing they had was Jason Allison, and he hasn't played for almost 3 years due to concussion problems. Plus, the majority of their salary is tied up with some old players - Nolan and Mogilny. I just have the feeling they'll totally tank the season this year. Maybe then that leaves them plenty of cap room for when a lot of good players become UFA next year.......

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

the habs got worse


hahahaha.. .thats great since we lost... brisebois? ward? juneau?real key players there

bolts lost way too much.. i dont know who your fooling by saying they can maintain their glory from last season.. look at the canes :rolleyes:

flyers got better? you kidding me? losing leclair,amonte,roenick no matter how old or whatever you want to say... surely does not help the team aside from allow them to bring up some of the young blood they need. they got forsberg. whoopdy do. only plus for him is now he can shine.. pwrhaps if gagne feeds him.

pens obviously.. hellavalot better team, panters,flames too
ya.. perhaps the hawks but anything would be an improvement.

bolts had chemistry.. all they did now is get rid of a good portion of it
I might retract my statement about the habs. What's wrong with Brisebois?he's always good for some assists and has a good +/-. You didn't like Joe Juneau? everyone else seemed to.Tell me how you've gotten better because you didn't do so hot in the playoffs. To my knowledge, Theodore is also a RFA.

bolts lost way too much? they lost stillman, cullimore, and khabibulin. Khabibulin played over half a season last year with john grahame having to save his ass for a huge chunk of it. Cullimore, if you'll remembered was injured for a quite a while and when he came back he wasn't that great. Nolan Pratt stepped in for him and did a better job...we resigned Nolan Pratt. Cory Stillman is a good goal scorer and a really good assist guy but we got Prospal back from the Ducks. In case you wanted to know since everyone devalues John Grahame.
Nik Khabibulin: 2003-2004 GP:55 MIN:3,273 W:28 L:19 T:7 GA:127 SO:3 AVG:2.33

John Grahame(backup, ofcourse):2003-2004 GP:29 MIN:1,688 W:18 L:9 T:1 GA:58 SO:1 AVG:2.06
You're not convincing me at this point that John Grahame is a bad goalie and can't start. Also, tell me, when did I say they would win the cup again? What I said is that their last few seasons, they have improved every year, and that's absolutely true.

Oh yes, keeping an ******* like Roenick was going to help their team and yes it does matter if you're only keeping old guys, ask the Red Wings. They got Forsberg and if they keep Gagne,Premieu, Handzus, etc, they'll be pretty good.

"perhaps the hawks but anything would be an improvement. " Yes, that was a no-brainer, them and the pens had a great offseason for themselves.

Ok, so who do you think we lost in terms of chemistry? I have no idea what Andreychuk is doing. We lost Stillman,Khabibulin, and Cullimore, as the most notable thus far. Which of those do you consider a chemistry guy. I don't know where you'd get it at all from Cully and Stills, and Khabi is known for holding out of contracts,that's got to make EVERYONE happy. Be realistic, if you were talking about chemistry, you'd talk about Andreychuk, Richards, St.Louis(the most),Dan Boyle,and even Tim Taylor.

[Shifty]

you can't be serious, dude

I'm not sure about the leafs, the preds I believe have a better team,the bolts? seriously, they've bested themselves every year the past few seasons, and the blues...they've missed the playoffs a total of like 3 times since 1968.

The teams I see getting worse(thus far) are the devils,habs,canucks(first few games),avs,wings. Some of those other teams haven't even done anything. The teams I see improving the most are the blackhawks,pens,flyers,panthers,and maybe preds. Many of these teams have possible goalie situations like the Flyers. What did they offer Esche, like 500k a year? Might I also remind you that you can't just put tons of good people on a team and expect them to win(see the Rangers). If the Lightning can't retain more of their core players, I'll agree with you.

It was just an example. First not all the teams are set and then there are trades/injuries. But it was just to point out that some playoff teams of late could be out. There could be 10 points seperating 1st from 8th and plenty of statistical tiebreakers to set the final 8.

[Shifty]

flyers got better? you kidding me? losing leclair,amonte,roenick no matter how old or whatever you want to say... surely does not help the team aside from allow them to bring up some of the young blood they need. they got forsberg. whoopdy do. only plus for him is now he can shine.. pwrhaps if gagne feeds him.


Jeff Carter and Mike Richards. As much as I hate the Flyers and Clarke those two will have an excellent year after the World Jrs. and AHL Championship.

Peter Forsberg UFA (Colorado) $5.75 million
Mike Rathje UFA (San Jose) $3.5 million
Derian Hatcher UFA (Detroit) $3.5 million
Keith Primeau $3.42 million
Eric Desjardins $2.28 million
Michal Handzus $2.128 million
Donald Brashear $1.748 million
Mike Knuble $1.52 million
Sami Kapanen $1.52 million
Turner Stevenson $1.254 million
Joni Pitkanen $900,600
Mattias Timander $608,000
Chris Therien UFA (Dallas) $500,000
Jon Sim UFA (Pittsburgh) $450,000
Jeff Carter Signed rookie deal Undisclosed
Mike Richards Signed rookie deal Undisclosed
14 Players 2 Salaries Undisclosed $29,078,600

Restricted Free Agents: Robert Esche, Simon Gagne, Kim Johnsson, Randy Jones, Freddy Meyer, David Printz, Branko Radivojevic, Dennis Seidenberg, Patrick Sharp, Wade Skolney.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

It was just an example. First not all the teams are set and then there are trades/injuries. But it was just to point out that some playoff teams of late could be out. There could be 10 points seperating 1st from 8th and plenty of statistical tiebreakers to set the final 8.
Ok well then yes, I agree with you, this offseason has been like a fantasy draft. It seems like almost any team can make a run at it this year.

For the people that think I'm being a Lightning homer, no I don't think they'll win the cup and I'd think the same way no matter the goalie situation was. I didn't even think that the last year they were going to win the cup. I have a tendency to think my team isn't as good as it is...except for the tampa bay devil rays.

[Exabyte]

So how good is that Canadian kid, 17 I think. Wasn't he drafted to Pittsburgh?

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

So how good is that Canadian kid, 17 I think. Wasn't he drafted to Pittsburgh?
18 now and yea, Sidney Crosby. The numbers he put up were amazing.

[John Constantine]

Just imagine a Penguins powerplay - Lemieux, Crosby, Palffy/Recchi, Gonchar and Tarnstrom.

****ing insane......

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Just imagine a Penguins powerplay - Lemieux, Crosby, Palffy/Recchi, Gonchar and Tarnstrom.

****ing insane......
I don't want to think about it. :( However, they really need money(the cap helped, I suppose) and I think they'll get it.

[Venom Drool]

chemistry.. the team produced last season playerd.. they got rid of them... fine.. still man not needed... players can be substituted.. but the dsamn starting golie... are you kidding. they dont have support in the net.. ill gurantee theyll flop in that area.

i never said old teams work.. .but slyers arent better. they are inexperienced because its basically a whole new team afull of young guys.. you gotta work the yougins into the game.. now theyll have to shoot them in

im not trying to convince of anything.. i just think your thought process here is wrong

everything is getting balanced off as you can see.. the flyers might surprise but they arent a 'better' team just cause of the question marks... bolts.. jusyt... arent better.. unless a trade happens here..graham cannot pull off starting golie.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

I gave you Grahame's stats and you're refusing to acknowledge them. He was more efficient than Khabibulin. You're so stuck in what you're 1 thought that you won't listen to logic. Again,how is getting rid of Khabibulin getting rid of chemistry? He was NEVER a guy people talked about when they talked about chemistry, I already told you who was.

You think my thought process is wrong? Much of your post isn't even intelligeble. I don't care what you think, I had a well thought out post, I even went to FACTS about the team.

It's so great to see how you know everything about the Flyers, who they'll keep, their chemistry factor. Where is this "whole new team"? :rolleyes:

[Venom Drool]

a little edgy ther eeh son?

numbers are numbers. begin played excellantly in mtl but his nuimbers dont really show. he showed some ****ing heart and his salary was a pack of gum compared to other players.

dont get so defensive for christ sake. i got no time to defend myself from nothing.

chemistry.. the team worked. plain and simple. you dont change a team that drasticaly and not fit in pieces that you know can work.

flyers are not a nrew team?

im sorry..

getting rid of their 'stars' isnt a new team. the guys that were on powerplay and pretty much all game?

ya..

thats the point..

so if you read this post..

i guess you do care about what i think dont ya?

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

No, caring what you thought would be buying into the psycosis you've convinced yourself into. It's not "son", I'm a girl.

Numbers are numbers? so you acknowledge that you're just brushing them off. When your favorite player puts up some killer numbers and you brag, I'll just say "numbers are numbers".

Again, changed the team drastically because of 1 player who wasn't even good for chemistry? That makes absolutely no sense, looks like you're looking at numbers.

Who is going to miss Roenick, tell me that seriously. Age is a HUGE factor on that team when their so called stars are all pushing 40. I'm also surprised you didn't say anything about Recchi. Roenick was a cancer, Leclair, I believe was having back surgery. You can't keep a team that is all elderly, it doesn't work. They just picked up Forsberg, Therien, and Hatcher. They still have(as I say this) Gagne, Johnsson,kapanen,pitkanen,zhamnov,handzus. I seriously don't see them in the dire situation you do, unless gagne or handzus goes. You think they were building around Leclair, Amonte, and Roenick? You can't possibly.

[John Constantine]

Actually, Philly doesn't have Zhamnnov anymore :o

But they do have the aforementioned Mike RIchards and Jeff Carter. Two very good young centers.

I think the Flyers will do quite well. They signed three pretty good defensemen (Hatcher, Rathje, Therien) and going from Roenick to Forsberg is a pretty big step up. Will they win the Stanley Cup this year? I dunno, I'm really not betting on it, but you never know.....

[Slipknot]

I gave you Grahame's stats and you're refusing to acknowledge them.
Post all the stats in the world for Grahame... I saw him in Boston, he isn't anything special. Good luck with him though.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Actually, Philly doesn't have Zhamnnov anymore :o

But they do have the aforementioned Mike RIchards and Jeff Carter. Two very good young centers.

I think the Flyers will do quite well. They signed three pretty good defensemen (Hatcher, Rathje, Therien) and going from Roenick to Forsberg is a pretty big step up. Will they win the Stanley Cup this year? I dunno, I'm really not betting on it, but you never know.....Yea, I couldn't find a better site with all the transactions. He'll just tell me that Zhamnov is a dealbreaker. I heard about those 2 other signings though.

"Post all the stats in the world for Grahame... I saw him in Boston, he isn't anything special. Good luck with him though." How did that make any sense? You're telling me that when people play more they don't get better? Obviously you people think I'm lying about Grahame's stats, look them up. Saying that he isn't anything special and that I could post all the stats that I want and he still wouldn't be, just doesn't compute. So if he went undefeated, it wouldn't matter because you saw him in Boston and he wasn't anything special. That's really weird, dude. How do you people judge how good a person is then? http://www.nhl.com/players/8460715.html doesn't look like a bad goalie to me.

[War Lord]

I'm just glad that smaller teams have a sincere chance at competing for the cup as the larger teams.

and that Patrick Roy clones won't be allowed to play.

[Slipknot]

"Post all the stats in the world for Grahame... I saw him in Boston, he isn't anything special. Good luck with him though." How did that make any sense? You're telling me that when people play more they don't get better? Obviously you people think I'm lying about Grahame's stats, look them up. Saying that he isn't anything special and that I could post all the stats that I want and he still wouldn't be, just doesn't compute. So if he went undefeated, it wouldn't matter because you saw him in Boston and he wasn't anything special. That's really weird, dude. How do you people judge how good a person is then?
Grahame played quite a bit in Boston. He never impressed me, that is all that I was saying. He isn't going to be as good as Khabibulin was for your team, but obviously that is going to be hard to replace. Remember... stats isn't everything.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Grahame played quite a bit in Boston. He never impressed me, that is all that I was saying. He isn't going to be as good as Khabibulin was for your team, but obviously that is going to be hard to replace. Remember... stats isn't everything.His pattern has been that if you give him more starts, he's put up better stats. Do you honestly think that Khabibulin is the best goalie in the league? Looking at his season, I wouldn't say so, most people just looked at the playoffs and made that assumption. You say he's not going to be as good, probably not, but no one's asking him to, and I bet pretty much every goalie that's gone from backup to starter has had the same criticism before they got to prove themselves. Their asking him to be John Grahame, not Khabibulin, and John Grahame in your view is not good enough to be a starter, well, he's too good to be a backup. Stats don't prove everything but they prove a lot, some of you guys in here are acting like stats are nothing. I don't understand that, when you look at someone in the hall of fame, you look at their stats, you don't care about 1 game where they gave the puck to a guy when they had a chance to get it in an open net.

I said it before, he's not as good glove side, but he's better down low and he's got more size.

[Shifty]

His pattern has been that if you give him more starts, he's put up better stats. Do you honestly think that Khabibulin is the best goalie in the league?

Khabibulin used to be the Jets backup, I even got his autograph since the starter was too sick for autographs after a win (which turned out great 'cause that starter lost his job to Khabby next season). So Graham may surprise and finally do really well. After watching the Bulin Wall's first playoff appearence against the Wings (their record season where the Avs won the Cup) and then those years in Phoenix I never would've thought he would a Stanley Cup winning goalie. Maybe carrying the team to the conference finals but never lifting a Cup.

In no particular order these are who I think are the top five goalies currently in the new NHL.

Nikolai Khabibulin
Miikka Kiprusoff
Robert Esche
Evgeni Nabokov
Martin Broduer

[danielisthor]

In no particular order these are who I think are the top five goalies currently in the new NHL.

Nikolai Khabibulin
Miikka Kiprusoff
Robert Esche
Evgeni Nabokov
Martin Broduer


No love for Roberto Luongo? :(

[Pksoze]

I'm just glad that smaller teams have a sincere chance at competing for the cup as the larger teams.

and that Patrick Roy clones won't be allowed to play.


I think thats not true the Devils and Lightning were the last two champs and they were small markets.

[Shifty]

No love for Roberto Luongo? :(

Partial, I will say he's probably going to be the most improved goalie - he got some playing time in the World Cup, new players/coach this season he'll finally reach the level people have expected him to reach ever since his World Jrs. performance in Winnipeg.

[Pksoze]

No love for Roberto Luongo? :(

He needs to get in the playoffs.

[War Lord]

I think thats not true the Devils and Lightning were the last two champs and they were small markets.

Under the old system, because small market team owners generally don't have the same deep pockets as larger market teams, they were at a distinct disadvantage in getting the kind of players it took to win a cup.

My team, the Edmonton Oilers, ended up being a largely a training team for marquee players. Many of the top tier players in the NHL have passed through my team, but we could never keep them because the costs of their contract became too much to afford.

Under the new system, because the contracts will be limited to the overall revenue of the NHL, small market teams will be in a better position to compete for players and won't be outbid by teams like Pheonix or New York Rangers.

[Pksoze]

Under the old system, because small market team owners generally don't have the same deep pockets as larger market teams, they were at a distinct disadvantage in getting the kind of players it took to win a cup.

My team, the Edmonton Oilers, ended up being a largely a training team for marquee players. Many of the top tier players in the NHL have passed through my team, but we could never keep them because the costs of their contract became too much to afford.

Under the new system, because the contracts will be limited to the overall revenue of the NHL, small market teams will be in a better position to compete for players and won't be outbid by teams like Pheonix or New York Rangers.


Yet one of the most dominant teams in the league was NJ.

They play in the same division as NY and Philly and have won more championships than both the past 11 years. And they beat Detroit & Tampa in the playoffs teams which have won 4 of the last 10 cups.

A smart GM will compensate for lack of funds.

[War Lord]

Yet one of the most dominant teams in the league was NJ.

They play in the same division as NY and Philly and have won more championships than both the past 11 years. And they beat Detroit & Tampa in the playoffs teams which have won 4 of the last 10 cups.

A smart GM will compensate for lack of funds.

I'm just saying that the new contract will be a big help.

[Pksoze]

I'm just saying that the new contract will be a big help.


We'll see.

All this does though is make the Rags not waste their money on 500 year old has beens. They might actually start using it wisely. :(

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Khabibulin used to be the Jets backup, I even got his autograph since the starter was too sick for autographs after a win (which turned out great 'cause that starter lost his job to Khabby next season). So Graham may surprise and finally do really well. After watching the Bulin Wall's first playoff appearence against the Wings (their record season where the Avs won the Cup) and then those years in Phoenix I never would've thought he would a Stanley Cup winning goalie. Maybe carrying the team to the conference finals but never lifting a Cup.

In no particular order these are who I think are the top five goalies currently in the new NHL.

Nikolai Khabibulin
Miikka Kiprusoff
Robert Esche
Evgeni Nabokov
Martin BroduerThat's exactly my point, you have to start out somewhere and when someone's a backup, people usually don't think "oh, this guy has what it takes to win the cup". I didn't once say Grahame was going to win the cup...but he's on it. :o

ok, then what were they in the old NHL :confused: what do you think of Rick DiPietro and Jose Theodore?

No love for Roberto Luongo? :( there's no way I could leave him out of a top goalies list. The guy had more shots on him than anyone else in the league, didn't have any help, and still ended up with a 2.43 GAA.

[Pksoze]

there's no way I could leave him out of a top goalies list. The guy had more shots on him than anyone else in the league, didn't have any help, and still ended up with a 2.43 GAA.


I don't think that matters. Lots of goalies thrive with lots of shots like Cujo in the regular season.

I rather have a goalie that I know will thrive in the playoffs.

Khab,Hasek, and Brodeur have proven this. Even Esche did pretty well. But a top 5 goalie has to be a money playoff goalie.

I'll just say Luongo has talent. Whether he's a great goalie is decided by the playoffs.

[Kaleb]

Welll for all you Hockey fans out there it appears that Wayne Gretsky is the new coach of the Coyotes

[John Constantine]

I don't really like that idea. It's a step down for him IMO (especially from his previous role with the Coyotes). Besides, what does he have to prove with being the coach of the Coyotes? :confused:

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

I don't think that matters. Lots of goalies thrive with lots of shots like Cujo in the regular season.

I rather have a goalie that I know will thrive in the playoffs.

Khab,Hasek, and Brodeur have proven this. Even Esche did pretty well. But a top 5 goalie has to be a money playoff goalie.

I'll just say Luongo has talent. Whether he's a great goalie is decided by the playoffs.
See, he's not doing anything wrong, he had no team behind him. There were a few good players but an awful team. That should really change this year.I didn't mean he's great like Patrick Roy or something, but he's a great talent.

[Shifty]

That's exactly my point, you have to start out somewhere and when someone's a backup, people usually don't think "oh, this guy has what it takes to win the cup". I didn't once say Grahame was going to win the cup...but he's on it. :o

ok, then what were they in the old NHL :confused: what do you think of Rick DiPietro and Jose Theodore?

there's no way I could leave him out of a top goalies list. The guy had more shots on him than anyone else in the league, didn't have any help, and still ended up with a 2.43 GAA.

They were probably the top 5 in the old NHL. Its just a new NHL with a new logo, rules and some young exciting players.

Gretzky being coach? I see it as a marketing move in the desert. The Coyotes will get some more media attention and maybe a few casual fans will actually see a game. Sure he could be a decent coach but Wayne would be better replacing Gary Bettman next year. Sure I enjoy the boos Bettman recieves every time he steps on the ice but it would be better to see Gretzky give the Cup to a captain in June. He'll still be the Great One if he guides them to a respectable record but I believe he's wasting his time trying to save a cursed franchise (which he actually almost played for).

[Venom Drool]

jose's fame went to his damn head so... he had to step up last season. he did... but wasnt all there. he can be a lot better than he wa swdoing. this season wil ltell. as long as he doesnt do anymore damn pizza place and doughnut commercails.. french piece of crap :mad:

[John Constantine]

Wasn't the reason why Theodore had an off-season last year due to the fact that practically his entire family was indicted for some crime? :confused:

Because I'm sure that if that happened to me, my head wouldn't be in the game as well......

[Venom Drool]

that was last year.. prior to that.. nothing was really going on aside from it was his breakout amazing ywear where he won two awards despite having such crappy GAA.

note to that..

surprising that mtl didnt get rid of him due to their history with tossing out players invovled in humiliating stories

ala chelios and shnieder

[Venom Drool]

tamps signed burke.


this is who they needed..

good for them..

yup... graham as starter... i guess they didnt think that would work hmmm :rolleyes:

[War Lord]

Sucks Bertuzzi was allowed to play again. That guy should have been banned, period.

[Immortalfire]

Sucks Bertuzzi was allowed to play again. That guy should have been banned, period. I hope he gets booed when they announce his name in Vancouver.

[Venom Drool]

i disagree...

his hit wasa cheap shot
granted
and the fall.. THAT was an accident plain and simple but bertuzzi made it happen so he should be punished
granted

but

what moore did in my opinion was worse

suing over 3 parties for damages, basically taking the NHL through the mud.. you dont hear that stuff going on NFL

despite that..

bertuzzi did not mean to kill the guy. his intentions were plain... 'ill get you back' basically. but he was genuinely sorry. he did not play for the playoffs and a whole ear ANYWHERE else. besides.. if players were allowed to fight without the damn instigator rule.. it wouldnt have happened

he deserved a season banning.. peraphs a season and a half..

but not fully

[John Constantine]

I hope he gets booed when they announce his name in Vancouver.

I doubt he'll get booed in Vancouver. When he plays in Colorado on the other hand.....

[Venom Drool]

yup.. for sures

[War Lord]

i disagree...

his hit wasa cheap shot
granted
and the fall.. THAT was an accident plain and simple but bertuzzi made it happen so he should be punished
granted

but

what moore did in my opinion was worse

suing over 3 parties for damages, basically taking the NHL through the mud.. you dont hear that stuff going on NFL

despite that..

bertuzzi did not mean to kill the guy. his intentions were plain... 'ill get you back' basically. but he was genuinely sorry. he did not play for the playoffs and a whole ear ANYWHERE else. besides.. if players were allowed to fight without the damn instigator rule.. it wouldnt have happened

he deserved a season banning.. peraphs a season and a half..

but not fully

Sometimes you have to seek justice in court if you can't get it within your organization and Moore wasn't getting it from the NHL imo.

I believe there are reasonable risks and unreasonable risks when it comes to hockey. Losing a tooth or getting a jaw broken in a fight are reasonable risks. Getting your neck broken from an improperly done check is a reasonable risk for the sport.

However, getting your neck broken from a guy who skates over and slams your head into the ice three or four times is not a reasonable risk one should take in that sport. If a guy does something crappy that needs revenge, do it like the old days and have every opposing player body check the guy as hard as possible or duke it out in a fair fight.

[Venom Drool]

problem is... a check would be dirty..

a fight.. well.. your gonna get an 2 minute for starting it


what bertuzzi did was really.. punch.. eat that..

oh you fell..

pussy...get up...

get up!

oh ****..
is that blood?


ohhhh shiiiiiiit...


thats why i think that banishment is kinda extreme

[War Lord]

problem is... a check would be dirty..

a fight.. well.. your gonna get an 2 minute for starting it


what bertuzzi did was really.. punch.. eat that..

oh you fell..

pussy...get up...

get up!

oh ****..
is that blood?


ohhhh shiiiiiiit...


thats why i think that banishment is kinda extreme

I actually saw the video, it wasn't a matter of Bertuzzi punching Moore and Moore falling down and hitting his head in a bad way. If that's what happened, I would consider it a fair risk.

Here's the video

http://www.skepticalworld.com/sports0001.htm

That went beyond what was and warranted.

[Shifty]

Spurned by Sean Burke on Tuesday, the Pittsburgh Penguins responded by acquiring goaltender Jocelyn Thibault from the Chicago Blackhawks Wednesday in exchange for a fourth round pick in the 2006 Entry Draft. TSN.ca

[Venom Drool]

ridiculousness

pitsburgh is officially a contender...

insane

Jonty:

im sying that i know he kept hitting his head... but he was doing that only because he thought moore was playing dead you know? but isee your point of course..and like isaid..agree to a certain extent

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

tamps signed burke.


this is who they needed..

good for them..

yup... graham as starter... i guess they didnt think that would work hmmm :rolleyes:
Like I said, looks like they have confidence in Grahame. I don't like the signing but it'll make Grahame work harder because he thinks he deserves the starting spot and he never had a chance when Nik was there.

[Venom Drool]

if burke is there.. the size of the contrat alone will give burke top priority

graham might get a couple of headlines..but like kiprusoff... wont go past the 'best backup right now' attention

[Venom Drool]

The bigger-name forwards left include Teemu Selanne, Jozef Stumpel, Eric Lindros, John LeClair, Anson Carter and Peter Bondra.

according to nhl.com

all unrestricted

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

The contract is nothing compared to what other starting goalies are getting. Burke is damaged goods, he could be a starter but they won't make him a starter just because of his contract, Tortorella would kill someone.

Does anyone still want Eric Lindros and his concussions?

[Venom Drool]

doesnt matter.. burkew has proven that he can start... thats the issue. graham hasnt and giving him a chance to will only happen in the preseason ... if he shines..good for him.. though i dont think thatll be enough anyway.. graham will always be a backup... look at vanbiesbrook... one breakout season.. two at best..and it was all downhill from there... sure he started... but he wasnt even that good. if burke throws his back or something.. and graham gets in and shines with new brilliance... kudos..i mean..im not ruling out the possibility completely...but he wont get his shot unless the starter they just signed ****s up royally... or gets injured... none of which are too likely

i hope mtl sings lindros so we can trade him for a pick :)

[Zilleraut #66]

Spurned by Sean Burke on Tuesday, the Pittsburgh Penguins responded by acquiring goaltender Jocelyn Thibault from the Chicago Blackhawks Wednesday in exchange for a fourth round pick in the 2006 Entry Draft. TSN.caWoo Hoo this summer has been great for this pre Mario Penguin fan. If T-bo is around for 3 years I'll be happy. Then its time for MAF to start making some noise.

[Venom Drool]

thibault is strong enough if they got some strong Dmen to back him. he wont do well if he faces over 20 shots a game and they are gonna need a defensive game to go along with thaat strong offensive. they cant play the trap anymore... so lets see if Thibault can hold out long enough to make the team shine

[Zilleraut #66]

thibault is strong enough if they got some strong Dmen to back him. he wont do well if he faces over 20 shots a game and they are gonna need a defensive game to go along with thaat strong offensive. they cant play the trap anymore... so lets see if Thibault can hold out long enough to make the team shineIMO his game is kind of geared for run and gun hockey that the NHL seems to be going to. T-bo being a reflex goalie that sits back in his net is better at stopping plays off of the rush and break aways than perimeter shots. I agree about the Pens D but I don't need the playoff roster set by Oct. 5th. I'm just glad that they upgraded every position and I still have hopes of Malkin coming over.

[Venom Drool]

basically.. pens were the worst team in the nhl. theve acted as the balancing system for all the nhl teams... it feels good to know philly cant keep all there guys... especially since its philly...

:mad:

[danielisthor]

This has been one of the best offseasons in the NHL in a long time. Reports are the Panthers are interested in Alexander Mogilny. The weak are starting to build up and it looks like there will be a balance of the haves and have nots in the NHL. I will die before we see that in MLB.

[Venom Drool]

Nhl > Mlb

[Shifty]

The contract is nothing compared to what other starting goalies are getting. Burke is damaged goods, he could be a starter but they won't make him a starter just because of his contract, Tortorella would kill someone.

Does anyone still want Eric Lindros and his concussions?

The only attractive thing with Lindros is you can pay him dirt cheap and if he reaches certain bonus levels then he would be awarded the extra cash but it wouldn't count towards the team's salary cap.

[Venom Drool]

knowing lindros.. hed want at least 5-6 mill

[John Constantine]

Nah, I think he's said before that he'd play in Toronto for dirt cheap. But I also heard (was it in this thread that it was said? :confused: ) that he got extremely out-of-shape during the lock-out and Toronto's not really interested in him.

[Venom Drool]

havent seen any pics of him... but hes always been a fat guy in my eyes :)

[Zilleraut #66]

Nah, I think he's said before that he'd play in Toronto for dirt cheap. But I also heard (was it in this thread that it was said? :confused: ) that he got extremely out-of-shape during the lock-out and Toronto's not really interested in him.Its a blessing. That guys a cancer to whatever team he's on. Is TO still in the Cujo running?

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

doesnt matter.. burkew has proven that he can start... thats the issue. graham hasnt and giving him a chance to will only happen in the preseason ... if he shines..good for him.. though i dont think thatll be enough anyway.. graham will always be a backup... look at vanbiesbrook... one breakout season.. two at best..and it was all downhill from there... sure he started... but he wasnt even that good. if burke throws his back or something.. and graham gets in and shines with new brilliance... kudos..i mean..im not ruling out the possibility completely...but he wont get his shot unless the starter they just signed ****s up royally... or gets injured... none of which are too likely

i hope mtl sings lindros so we can trade him for a pick :)That may be how it works in your little world but in the real world, whoever does better gets the starting spot. Grahame is too good to be a career backup and if you can't see that, you're blind.

I've never heard of anyone who sees a team signing Burke and gets a chubby from it, it's ridiculous.

The only attractive thing with Lindros is you can pay him dirt cheap and if he reaches certain bonus levels then he would be awarded the extra cash but it wouldn't count towards the team's salary cap.
I have his autograph, you think I could trade and get a pack of gum for it?

[Venom Drool]

ok..

READ CAREFULLY

GRAHAM WILL NOT BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO PROVE HIMSELF BECAUSE HE WONT GET A CHANCE TO PLAY CONSIDERING THE SIGNING OF BURKE

understnad? or does that still go over your head?

[John Constantine]

Never say never. What happens if Burke plays like **** all of a sudden?

[Venom Drool]

thats the thing...i clearly said in the previous post that certain things might happen which will cause graham to take the drivers seat but at this momment... burke is considered to be the best golie available to them

[John Constantine]

Apparently, the Leafs might be signing Lindros soon. A move that both sides may want because the Leafs have been wanting Lindros for like, forever and Lindros has always wanted to play for the Leafs.

Personally, I think it's a horrible move because that means that the Leafs will then have signed two forwards who have had concussion problems......

[Pksoze]

Apparently, the Leafs might be signing Lindros soon. A move that both sides may want because the Leafs have been wanting Lindros for like, forever and Lindros has always wanted to play for the Leafs.

Personally, I think it's a horrible move because that means that the Leafs will then have signed two forwards who have had concussion problems......

You would think Lindros would try to stay away from the same conference as Scott Stevens.

[Shifty]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ The latest...

Joe Thornton committed his future to the Boston Bruins on Thursday, agreeing to a $20-million US, three-year deal and forgoing unrestricted free agency next summer.

The Toronto Maple Leafs acquired Eric Lindros on Thursday, signing the unrestricted free agent to a one-year contract.

The Montreal Canadiens have signed forward Mike Ribeiro and defenceman Mike Komisarek to one-year contracts.

[Venom Drool]

funny stuff...lindros in leafs

and good news for hab fans

[InsaneMembrane]

**** I dont want lindros...

[Venom Drool]

haha...

leafs suck

[Immortalfire]

Thrashers resigned Pasi Nurminen :up:

[WildChild]

Leafs are winning the cup this year.......okay maby not.But welcome Eric Lindros,you better produce or your going to hear it.Leaf fans don't mess around I know, I am one.

[Zenien]

All that matters are Kipper and Iggy. :D

[WildChild]

All that matters are Kipper and Iggy. :D
Go Flames Go!!!My second favorite team. :up:

[FlameHead]

So, any Kings Fans here?

Man, the best thing that came out of this lockout is the fact that it's totally up in the air who'll win the cup this year. Things have changed so much with the rules and where the players are. It really should make for an exciting year.

[Themanofbat]

All that matters are Kipper and Iggy. :D

Kiprusoff signed a 3 year deal today. :up:

:)

[Venom Drool]

valerie bure signed with kings

[FlameHead]

Hmmm... I cant find any information about Valerie signing with the kings.

[Venom Drool]

tsn.ca

[FlameHead]

Awesome! Thanks. Man, that's super news for my Kings.

Too bad their official website doesnt' have the info... or NHL.com. Tsn all the way boyeees.

[Doobie88]

Flames are not done, they sign Roman Hamrlik.

[Assassin]

Damn, with all the changes, with all the new players on new teams, this is gonna be exciting and diffrent. who is your pick? I got Detroit Red Wings all the way baby!

[Slipknot]

Boston Bruins. They have a very good shot as does every other team in the league. But I do like the lines they will be putting out there this year.

[Venom Drool]

http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191452

run a search please..before creating new threads

[Venom Drool]

pens got leclair..jesus

mtl signed koivu

oh joy.. ... now theo..

i am so sexed up for next season

[Holly Goodhead]

hockey players have no teeth

[Venom Drool]

thats srupid

not stupid... srupid

[Holly Goodhead]

your mom

[Venom Drool]

where?

[Holly Goodhead]

wait a minute! i think ive been to a hockey game before,..chicago wolves? i cant remember

[Venom Drool]

if that was the team..it wasnt any hockey i follow.. its chicago blackhawks :o

[Holly Goodhead]

oh yeah, blackhawks.......

[Venom Drool]

:).

[Holly Goodhead]

where the hell did i get the wolves from...

[Venom Drool]

basketball?

[Holly Goodhead]

i was gonna sat the wolf hawks but i felt weird. theres the cubs...white sox...bears...blackhawks....

[Venom Drool]

yup..

anyway

koivu is signed..so im happy..

be happy toven.. koivu is in montreal :)

[Holly Goodhead]

sounds asian

[Venom Drool]

finnish

[Holly Goodhead]

finished?

[Venom Drool]

from finland :rolleyes:

[Holly Goodhead]

huh..?

[Venom Drool]

he is from finland

[Holly Goodhead]

wheres finland?

[Venom Drool]

left of the old USSR.. nothernest part of it on the left .....

[Holly Goodhead]

ok i really dont care, i just asked because i like asking questions...

[Venom Drool]

i noticed.. but you should care you ignorant ***** :)

[Holly Goodhead]

yes sir

[Venom Drool]

:):up:

[Slipknot]

wheres finland?
Norway, Sweden, Finland... all right next to eachother. To the right of Great Britain, above Poland, and to the left of Russia.

[Holly Goodhead]

i need a map

[Venom Drool]

use internet

[Holly Goodhead]

use my ass:rolleyes:

[Slipknot]

i need a map
http://www.euromicro.org/Maps/Europe.gif

[Holly Goodhead]

oh....wow

[Zilleraut #66]

pens got leclair..jesus

mtl signed koivu

oh joy.. ... now theo..

i am so sexed up for next seasonAt $1.5 its a low risk, high reward signing. I still have my hopes up for a defenseman and Malkin.

[Riggs15382]

Ou!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Milkman95]

University of Michigan Wolverines - I've had season tickets for years to the University that has the most wins in College Football.....EVER.

[thebat7]

LSU Tigers!!! Woot!

And believe me, we are all UCLA and Cal fans down here. Somebody please, PLEASE knock USC off their high-horse. By the way...LSU were the ONLY National Champions in 2003. I don't care what the AP says.

[Immortalfire]

I pray to the Lord Jesus everyday that the stupid BCS polls will be destroyed.

[Milkman95]

^I agree................

[thebat7]

Do I hear playoffs?

[Milkman95]

^Won't happen due to greed.............money rules, and the bowl games will bring more in than a playoff system I'm afraid.........

[Unthinkable]

University of Michigan Wolverines - I've had season tickets for years to the University that has the most wins in College Football.....EVER.

I live in Ann Arbor, it takes me about 3 minutes, walking to get to the Big House. :up:

BTW, Michigan is going to pwn all this year.

[Milkman95]

I live in Ann Arbor, it takes me about 3 minutes, walking to get to the Big House. :up:

BTW, Michigan is going to pwn all this year.

Nice - I live in Livonia, I'm at the Golf Course promptly at 8:00am every home game............. :up:

Henne, Hart, Breaston, Grady, and Avant should do the trick...........

[Doobie88]

So Bertuzzi tried to Appologise, but Moore won't answer the phone. I don't blame him...

Poor Bert, I made him a new Jersey.
http://www.bentnet.ca/bert.jpg

[Venom Drool]

bah.. moore ruined hockey as much as bertuzzi did.. so... they can both go to hell

[Slipknot]

Who the hell merged the College Football thread with this? Venom Drool... did you PM a mod about Assassin's thread and then they screwed up and merged the College Football thread with this? What the hell?

[Philly Phanboy]

The hockey and college football thread? :eek: :confused: :(

Hockey gets no respect around here.

[Venom Drool]

i asked to merge the nhl 2005 thread with this one :confused:.. and dew didnt even reply to my request :o

[Assassin]

it says not a valid link...


guess mine stays.

[Venom Drool]

http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194030 dumbass

[Assassin]

whos the dumbass? your 1st link doesnt work you sun-ofa-bijch

[Venom Drool]

:up:

[Holly Goodhead]

ice skating scares me

[Venom Drool]

why?