The Official Iceman/Shawn Ashmore X3 Thread

[November Rain]

seriously, how much would you you geek out if he freezes himself into a block of ice and then busts out in his all-iced glory.............i geeked out just reading your post about it....

:(

[Storm22]

I think it should look something like this.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/TimDrake/Iceman2.gif

But thats just me...

I agree with ya! If heis actually gonna ice up I think something like this would look great!

[ProfeZZor X]

I personally don't want him to ice up. It doesn't fit with movie Iceman so far as I'm concerned.

I can see it happening if he's getting the crap kicked out of him during the Pyro/Iceman fight. And similarly to Uncanny #300, he gets tired of being pushed around and reacts with an outburst of icey rage. I mean overcoming a seemingly undefeatable villian with a adrenaline charged outburst by the hero has always been a Hollywood cliche'... Heck, look at those Rocky films.

I visualize him being knocked on the ground, and there's an upper torso camera shot of him leaning on one elbow while wiping the blood from the corner of his mouth with the other hand. He has this mean look on his face as he slowly gets up and everything in his general area starts to ice up as he slowly walks towards Pyro. He then starts icing up as well, and fires a super cold beam of ice towards a once smug, now worried Pyro.... Now that's the money shot!!!

[Norkie]

If iceman does indeed ice up that is yet another reason i want to go see this movie.:up:

[Storm22]

kinberg did say Iceman takes his powers to the next level so there's a good chance he might!

[Asteroid-Man]

:O wholy crap!

[Aiden]

kinberg did say Iceman takes his powers to the next level so there's a good chance he might!
Did someone not ask "will he ice up" and Kinberg said it was a spoiler?

[Spoarz™]

I'd really love to see Iceman 'ice up'.

[PWN3R]

I'd rather him 'ice slide' then ice up IMO...

[Storm22]

Did someone not ask "will he ice up" and Kinberg said it was a spoiler?

Here's his exact answer.....


Sadly, this is spoiler territory. But I will say we wanted to take Iceman to the next level in this film.

[The Guard]

I think it'd be cool if it was Colossus who taught him to turn his entire body into ice.

[Aiden]

I knew it was something like that

[Kmack]

Awesomeness:eek: I hope this is true:up:

[Dark_Phoeinix86]

im excited to see what he will be like, im hopeing wizard is 100% posssitive. if he ices up i would like to see him the same consistincy as the wall between wolv. and stryker. i just think it would look cool in human form.

[ProfeZZor X]

I think it'd be cool if it was Colossus who taught him to turn his entire body into ice.

Uh.... No. It should be a telepath that shows him how to do it from inside his mind. That's like Wolverine telling Storm how to summon a tornado.

["Iron Man"]

If Iceman actually "Ices-Up" in X3, and does an Ice-Slide, I will cry. (in joy!)

[Kaboom]

the only time i ever cheered in a movie was during the title crawl for Ep.I. If i see an iced up iceslide....itll be twice.

[Telekinetic]

if he does, i just hope they dont make him look bad.

[PWN3R]

the only time i ever cheered in a movie was during the title crawl for Ep.I. If i see an iced up iceslide....itll be twice.


I think I might crap my pants..twice? :)

[Hunter Rider]

:eek: God... i hope it's true.
Me to,ive been looking forward to seeing that visual

[littyx]

I think I might crap my pants..twice? :)
I REALLY hope I'm not sitting next to you in the theare!

[xwolverine2]

I REALLY hope I'm not sitting next to you in the theare!
LOL....

[Advanced Dark]

Me to,ive been looking forward to seeing that visual

It should not be really that difficult to do considering what they did with the Human Torch which to me would be much more complicated.

[green]

Fox is too cheap. It aint gonna happen.

[GoldGoblin]

:eek: God... i hope it's true.

^Exactly.:up:

[DarthRekal]

You know what would look the best? Iceman with the spikey ice shards coming out of his body. While the smoothness of regular Iceman is cool, the shards just look...sweet...

cookie's a man after my own heart!:up:


ICE up our ICEBOY!:) :up: :mad:

[DarthRekal]

the only time i ever cheered in a movie was during the title crawl for Ep.I. If i see an iced up iceslide....itll be twice.

ha i did too ..although i did when yoda cut off the clone troopers heads too ..and when vader was surrected!:up:


back on topic.... this would make up for ice's poor portrayal and i will never say another bad thing about the franchise

[xwolverine2]

Fox is too cheap. It aint gonna happen.
cheap?..........

how much money went into this movie again?????

[MoiBijou]

150,000,000 $ I heard.

That's not cheap at all.

[FRUITY]

150,000,000 $ I heard.

That's not cheap at all.

WOW!!! KA-CHING!!! hopefully it shows.

[green]

cheap?..........

how much money went into this movie again?????


You mean how much money is going in to this movie to have it completed by its release date?


A lot.

[Tissues]

Cool, hoping it's true.

[Nightwing]

If he does, that would be sweet. I'll wait for some more confirmation though....

[PWN3R]

The budget is most def more than X2, and they wanna show up Supes, so yeah it will be epic. In the words of the great Samuel L. Jackson, "Hold on to your butts." <--May 26th

[chaseter]

Has anyone heard about an X2.5 dvd coming out?

[chaseter]

Has anyone heard about an X2.5 dvd coming out?

[Telekinetic]

i tihnk its in the works.

[BBraddockLover]

i hope it comes out before x3 and will have a sneak peek at x3

[BBraddockLover]

oh and i really hope that he ices up

[Antrax255]

I don't see why he shouldn't and if he does it has to be snowy like since it would be his first time.

[Iceman]

I don't see why he shouldn't and if he does it has to be snowy like since it would be his first time.

Please no snow - it might be his first time but it's also probably his only time on celluloid - get it right XFX crew

[MoiBijou]

Snow is... not. Ice, please.

[GoldGoblin]

Since Iceman is going to ice-up in the movie,do you think he will ice slide?

[Downhere]

I thought it was confirmed he may ice slide?

[GoldGoblin]

I thought it was confirmed he may ice slide?

^Has it,there is so much going on I can't keep up.:)

[Downhere]

I thought I read something somewhere about the ice slide but I could be wrong.

[GoldGoblin]

Maybe he ices up before he ice slides,like how the Human Torch covers himself in fire before he flies.

[TNC9852002]

Hmmm..I dunno..It's hard to say..

-TNC

[CeeJay]

It was pretty-much confirmed that he does ice-up.

Enough said. Case closed.

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

wow, now i really cant wait for this movie! i wonder what he'll look like...what'll happen to his hair ?? and do you think he'll be able to go back to human form or remained iced up forever...what do you think the reason will be for his icing up ??..

[GoldGoblin]

wow, now i really cant wait for this movie! i wonder what he'll look like...what'll happen to his hair ?? and do you think he'll be able to go back to human form or remained iced up forever...what do you think the reason will be for his icing up ??..

^To ice-slide is what I think.

[theJust]

they described him as being solid ice, and you can 'literally see through him' so says the set report.
and that ice sliding thing previously had been mentioned by a crew member of sorts before

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

I like the idea of his limbs constantly cracking and refreezing as he moved...forgot whose idea it was but i really like it. It's a whole lot more realistic than bending ice, thats for sure...

[Weadazoid]

I don't think he will totaly ice up, I think his body will become covered in frost and his skin will turn blueish white

[Casius--J]

I really do hope he ices up and does an ice slide that would be so cool.
Honestly I dont see why he cant ice up completely without it seemin too un realistic, i mean collossus is gonna metal up so why not ice???

[lordofthenerds]

Didn't the SHH set report say that he will be see through, or that the ice will be see through so that we can see him?

[ProfeZZor X]

Didn't the SHH set report say that he will be see through, or that the ice will be see through so that we can see him?

That information is also in Wizard Mangazine too. Although I think it would be a little stupid if they have him encased in an icy shell. I mean if Colossus can "metal up" all the way, why can't Iceman "Ice up" all the way?

If anyone has seen the last James Bond movie with Halle Berry, there is a woman completely made of ice, and a woman made of fire towards the begining (when 007 is in the torcher chamber). Why they won't do that same effect with Iceman is beyond me. It's a great sequence.

Here's what I was able to pull up on the web:

www.framestore-cfc.com/feature/bond_title/ (http://www.framestore-cfc.com/feature/bond_title/)

[Karea07]

he'll have to ice up and slide away from rogue, after all that kitty mess :p

[Norkie]

lol:up:

[thegameq]

As much as I would like to see these effects for the sake of bringing the film closer to the comics, I have to agree with what someone else said earlier. It doesn't seem to jibe with the rest of the film as or the 'Singerverse' as a whole.

[Karea07]

well, it looks like storm has more power, jean as phoenix definately does... it could be a part of the evolution of his mutation, since he was still an x-kid in the previous two films. maybe he can now control his power enough to ice up his whole body. i think it sounds sweet.

[ProfeZZor X]

well, it looks like storm has more power, jean as phoenix definately does... it could be a part of the evolution of his mutation, since he was still an x-kid in the previous two films. maybe he can now control his power enough to ice up his whole body. i think it sounds sweet.

Special effects have advanced so much over the years, it's a complete shock to hear that he might not ice up. I mean, why is it acceptable for the Human Torch to flame up, or Colossus to metal up, yet when Iceman becomes ice, it's not realistic to some. 98% of our bodies are made up of water... Some people tend to forget that.

I say they use this same effect, http://www.framestore-cfc.com/feature/bond_title/ , scan in his likeness to make it more believeable, let him open a cold can of whoop ass during the Pyro sequence... And everyone lives happily ever after. The End.

[Morgoth]

http://www.thepunishercomics.com/fun_stuff/clip_art/iceman1.gif

Yeah he'd better Ice up finally!

[Morgoth]

[quote=ProfeZZor X]Special effects have advanced so much over the years, it's a complete shock to hear that he might not ice up. I mean, why is it acceptable for the Human Torch to flame up, or Colossus to metal up, yet when Iceman becomes ice, it's not realistic to some. 98% of our bodies are made up of water... Some people tend to forget that.

quote]Shouldn't be realistic, it is a comic book, fantasy, and Colossus armors up, Mystique changes shape, and she's blue, there is no realism, there isn't anyone sitting in the audience saying oh I don't believe a boy could turn himself to ice but, a naked blue chick changing shape now that's realistic.

[ProfeZZor X]

Shouldn't be realistic, it is a comic book, fantasy, and Colossus armors up, Mystique changes shape, and she's blue, there is no realism, there isn't anyone sitting in the audience saying oh I don't believe a boy could turn himself to ice but, a naked blue chick changing shape now that's realistic.

There are a lot of implications when turning him into ice. And the general populace that see him on film, the people that never picked up the comic book mind you, will wonder, "if he turned into ice, why can't I see his bones, and internal organs"... That's how stupid people can be. We all know it's a fantasy film, and so do the people not knowing who the X-Men are, but if they're going to see and accept a man made of living metal MOVING, or the pupils of a woman's eyes turning white right before them, a man made of ice should not be out of the question.

[ProfeZZor X]

Okay people..... IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED!!!!.... Iceman WILL ice up, and he WILL be transparent. A set article from the boys right here on Superhero hype were gracious enough to provide information from their interview with the Special Effects supervisor, and I quote:

"That concluded the formal Q&A, but we chatted a little with John Bruno informally afterwards. In that time he mentioned that we'll see Bobby Drake ice-up into Iceman. "That'll all be CG. You'll see through him actually.""

To me, "seeing through him" means that you will see the environment right through him, and not a transparent shell with his fleshy face underneathe. What do you think?

Here's the link to the full article: http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=3866

[lordofthenerds]

Okay people..... IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED!!!!.... Iceman WILL ice up, and he WILL be transparent. A set article from the boys right here on Superhero hype were gracious enough to provide information from their interview with the Special Effects supervisor, and I quote:

"That concluded the formal Q&A, but we chatted a little with John Bruno informally afterwards. In that time he mentioned that we'll see Bobby Drake ice-up into Iceman. "That'll all be CG. You'll see through him actually.""

To me, "seeing through him" means that you will see the environment right through him, and not a transparent shell with his fleshy face underneathe. What do you think?

Here's the link to the full article: http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=3866
I hope that he just means atht the ice around his body will be transparent. He better not look like this.:(
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/2474/x6x5003iy.jpg

[Super Flight]

Well having him iced up will make it just like he was in the comics, and it looks really neat. who ever thinks he shouldnt are idiots beyond this world....

[Jolly Juggler]

ooh that would STINK. ._. I wanna see him all shiny. Not clear.

He looks like he's made out of water there.

[Super Flight]

having icey layers on him, and not see though would be just as good

[lordofthenerds]

Well having him iced up will make it just like he was in the comics, and it looks really neat. who ever thinks he shouldnt are idiots beyond this world....
I want him to ice up, but he shouldn't be see through. I mean I can see Colossus's arm through Iceman in that pic.

[Super Flight]

yea see though would be a bit too much, having him just iced up with ice is somthing i'm looking for... Didnt in the orignial comics he was more like a snow man?

[Jolly Juggler]

I'd like it if they had him like this, like in the game.
http://mutantvault.xmenlegends2.com/icey/Iceman1280-thumb.jpg

Dunno why. I just like it this way. Cooler, if you pardon the pun. -.-.

[TNC9852002]

*bangs head on desk*

There's a scientific explanation or boundary of sci-fi physics in these films....Iceman icing up always seem to break some of those boundaries for me and I've had heated debates on it for as long as I can remember..

THe movies just has to do that. If a man can generate and manipulate ice, that's fine. But the second that he starts to ignore the physical properties of ice itself, then there could be a problem there...these films have tried so hard to ground these powers and make them believable, and they've done a good job by incorporating as much true science as they could behind these powers..

I don't think Iceman would be any exception...That's why I'm a little bit on the fence right now..I'm sure that they'll get it right somehow..

-TNC

[lordofthenerds]

*bangs head on desk*

There's a scientific explanation or boundary of sci-fi physics in these films....Iceman icing up always seem to break some of those boundaries for me and I've had heated debates on it for as long as I can remember..

THe movies just has to do that. If a man can generate and manipulate ice, that's fine. But the second that he starts to ignore the physical properties of ice itself, then there could be a problem there...these films have tried so hard to ground these powers and make them believable, and they've done a good job by incorporating as much true science as they could behind these powers..

I don't think Iceman would be any exception...That's why I'm a little bit on the fence right now..

-TNC
Doesn't the comic say taht Iceman can freeze the air around his body to ice up? That is how they should do it in the movie.

[Downhere]

Even though they have grounded the X-Men world in reality, they are comic book films and Iceman icing up isn't really something that would seem out of the ordinary in an X-film.

[Super Flight]

arghh... OK... You know how he frozze wolverines hand in X2? hes hand turned all frost purple... his frost doesnt hurt him.. so putting the frost all over his body might just be fun.. if i were bobby THAT would be the FIRST thing i'd do.... Maybe the cold off purple is a bit much i'd like him to have the frost cover more of his body so that we dont see hes skin JUST the whitness of the ice

[Super Flight]

so basically He already frooze his hand, so that was his frist step. so really he just needs to add it to his WHOLE body and more layers so that we dont see his purple skin lol

[Super Flight]

I think i made TNC understand... mwahahaha

[Weadazoid]

so basically He already frooze his hand, so that was his frist step. so really he just needs to add it to his WHOLE body and more layers so that we dont see his purple skin lol

As I said before I think the skin color will go Bluiesh white, and it will be frosty looking, almost as if tiny crystals were all over him. Kinda the way they can make a dead person look in the snow.

Not sure what can be done with his hair though

I don't think he should go bald


But on the first thing that way when he de ices he can kinda melt a bit.

Anywho I have a feeling he may be forced to cie up at first when fighting Pyro, if that is to be a real fight it is the perfect time, or perhaps he just needs to make the air all around him super cool to protect himself.

[Super Flight]

the snow would go over his head, making his head look bigger and making his slightly looks bald, though its just ice over his hair

[PWN3R]

I can't wait to see what its gonna look like.

I wonder which direction they'll go with...

[TNC9852002]

Doesn't the comic say taht Iceman can freeze the air around his body to ice up? That is how they should do it in the movie.
Sure..That's the simplest way of putting it...But it's not as simple as it should sound...I mean, ice is ice..

-TNC

[StevieNicks1988]

I think his hair should freeze completely and look like Frost from Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance. But it'd probably look retarded on film. lol :o

[TNC9852002]

Even though they have grounded the X-Men world in reality, they are comic book films and Iceman icing up isn't really something that would seem out of the ordinary in an X-film.
It's not about him icing up being out of the ordinary...It's about afterwards. What he does and how he looks and why..

-TNC

[Super Flight]

wait.... I just thought of somthing.... This is the first time icemans REALLY going FULL out with his powers, right?! so the fact that hes using his freezing powers so much might be the result of his body getting cover with so left over frost.... his arms prolly would turn into icecubes for shooting freeze rays a lot.. you think..

[TNC9852002]

I think i made TNC understand... mwahahaha
Sorry...You have failed.. :p

-TNC

[Super Flight]

Sorry...You have failed.. :p

-TNC


Understand, Understand!! *pokes TNC in the ribs*

[TNC9852002]

Understand, Understand!! *pokes TNC in the ribs*
Wait, what am I trying to understand again?

-TNC

[StevieNicks1988]

I think his hair should freeze completely and look like Frost from Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance. But it'd probably look retarded on film. lol :o

Found a picture for reference:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/KenshiMaster16/Frost.jpg

[Super Flight]

that iceman is/should iceup in any way (but not see though)

[Essex]

What's the point of covering his body with frost? Marvel at the incredible protective capabilities of a thin layer of frost! It would be purely aesthetic and it would make no sense for him to go out of his way to do it. If his skin were made of solid ice it might be somewhat protective, on the other hand.

[TNC9852002]

that iceman is/should iceup in any way (but not see though)
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/685/685298/x-men-the-official-game-20060202010842767.jpg

Q: Anyway does Pyro have any action scenes? Perhaps with Iceman...?

A: Pyro kicks ass in this film. I can't get specific, but we wanted to give him the action sequence we've all been waiting for...



Q:Will Pyro create shapes (animals) with the fire?

A: Pyro’s powers have also expanded, so he’s even more powerful in X3. He has one particular fight that may be my favorite of the film.


Q: regarding pyro is there mention as to why he all of a sudden blonde(finally thank you) like they did with rogue in x2("we like what you've done with your hair") or will he just be blonde... and are we gonna (without spoilers) gonna see him really cut loose in this one.

A: Pyro cuts loose in X3. He does some pretty vicious stuff in this film. Not for the faint of heart…

-TNC

[Super Flight]

if you can ice up your body up in a few seconds...would you, just for fun?

[StevieNicks1988]

Ooooooooooooooooo. *drools*

[ProfeZZor X]

As much as I would like to see these effects for the sake of bringing the film closer to the comics, I have to agree with what someone else said earlier. It doesn't seem to jibe with the rest of the film as or the 'Singerverse' as a whole.

You know what....... WHO CARES about the whole "Singer Universe". I've been an X-Men fan many years before he came along, and I'll be damned if I lose the chance of a lifetime, and more likely the ONLY time I see my favorite X-Man on the big screen in full on ice form. Hell, Singer deserted the whole X3 project anyway, so why should I give respect to him and his "universe" because of his previous work on the series?

Non-Iceman fans here seemed to be complaining so much about how he should look, but the moment when their character doesn't show their true mutant ability, they're in an uproar. I, for one NEED to see him in ice form, as it defeats the purpose of calling him Iceman. None of the Storm or Colossus fans here would like it if Ororo pranced around doing a rain dance, beating a drum to make it rain, or having Peter put on a suit of armor instead of metalling up, so why would us true Iceman fans settle for less?

His name is not "Covered lightly with frost, boy", or "Man covered with snow", or even "Blue frostbitten kid"... It's ICEMAN. And his powers should reflect that. :marv:

[WorthyStevens]

You know what....... WHO CARES about the whole "Singer Universe". I've been a fan many years before he came along, and I'll be damned if I lose the chance of a lifetime, and more likely the ONLY time I see my favorite X-Man on the big screen in full on ice form.

Non-Iceman fans here seemed to be complaining so much about how he should look, but the moment when their character doesn't show their true mutant ability, they're in an uproar. I, for one NEED to see him in ice form, as it defeats the purpose of calling him Iceman. None of the Storm or Colossus fans here would like it if she pranced around doing a rain dance, beating a drum to make it rain, or having him put on a suit of armor instead of metalling up, so why would us true Iceman fans settle for less?

His name is not "Covered lightly with frost, boy", or "Man covered with snow", or even "Blue frostbitten kid"... It's ICEMAN. And his powers should reflect that. :marv:

I agree. If Colossus can metal up without shaking the realistic theme these movies have, I don't see why Iceman can't ice up.

I mean, his name is ICEMAN. Audiences shouldn't be surprised to see him ice up.

[Downhere]

Mystique can shape shift, Colossus can metal up, so therefore Iceman can ice up!

[TNC9852002]

:p

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/orly-36497.jpg

-TNC

[Downhere]

:p

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/orly-36497.jpg

-TNC

LOL...that's scary.

[TNC9852002]

I agree. If Colossus can metal up without shaking the realistic theme these movies have, I don't see why Iceman can't ice up..
I could give you reasons why, but I don't think it'll change your mind..

-TNC

[Downhere]

Come on TNC. Iceman ices up in the comics. Even though the X-films have been based on reality there have been some things that haven't been so realistic.

[PWN3R]

I could give you reasons why, but I don't think it'll change your mind..

-TNC


????

[TNC9852002]

Come on TNC. Iceman ices up in the comics. Even though the X-films have been based on reality there have been some things that haven't been so realistic.
That's reaLISM...Making the audience believe that a man can pull the iron out of another man's body... :eek:

I'm not quite sure if you're understanding the point that I'm trying to make with this "icing up" thing...

All I'm saying is that I'm a little worried...Even though in the back of my mind, I think that I can rely on these guys to prove me wrong and make the effect as practical and believable as possible...

-TNC

[Downhere]

Well, they made me believe Mystique can morph into other beings and even a statue. Also, Colossus metaling up. I think it's safe to say they can realistically make iceman ice up...especially with John Bruno as Visual effects supervisor and all the effect companies they have on this film. Also, nightcrawlers bamf was awesome...had to add that. lol.

[Kaboom]

You know what....... WHO CARES about the whole "Singer Universe". I've been an X-Men fan many years before he came along, and I'll be damned if I lose the chance of a lifetime, and more likely the ONLY time I see my favorite X-Man on the big screen in full on ice form. Hell, Singer deserted the whole X3 project anyway, so why should I give respect to him and his "universe" because of his previous work on the series?

Non-Iceman fans here seemed to be complaining so much about how he should look, but the moment when their character doesn't show their true mutant ability, they're in an uproar. I, for one NEED to see him in ice form, as it defeats the purpose of calling him Iceman. None of the Storm or Colossus fans here would like it if Ororo pranced around doing a rain dance, beating a drum to make it rain, or having Peter put on a suit of armor instead of metalling up, so why would us true Iceman fans settle for less?

His name is not "Covered lightly with frost, boy", or "Man covered with snow", or even "Blue frostbitten kid"... It's ICEMAN. And his powers should reflect that. :marv:

PREACH THE GOSPEL MAN (or woman, maybe)! Iceman has always been my favorite too, even back in middle school when all my friends jumped on the wolverine bandwagon. i absoultely hate how people dont give iceman the respect he's due, especially given he was a founding member!

if iceman can't ice up, maybe wolverine shouldnt have claws, just little knives he carries around.

[TNC9852002]

You're talking on a more visual, special effects level, Downhere...I'm not really talking about that..I know that whatever they do, it's gonna look great..

I'm just saying, that I'm worried about how they are going to treat the unusual concept of Iceman and his icing up ability...It's one thing to say, oh, she just turns into people...Or, oh, she can control the weather...Fire is still hot, ice is still cold, though..

Blah...I think I'll stop while I'm ahead..I've been down this Iceman road for too long now...Especially since the next trailer is only 3 weeks from now and the film itself is right around the corner...I'll just hope for the best.

But...In case any of you are curious to what else I had to say to support my opinions, you can run a search on the many debates I've had on this Icing up issue..

-TNC

[_BB_]

I have to agree with TNC on this, im a bit skeptical about him icing up but im not sure why exactly. Colossus armours up for a reason, not just for the sake of it. What reason does iceman have to ice up? Sure I want to see it happen like everyone else but something bugs me about it.

Enough of that though, if he looks like this then ill be happy with it:

http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvnh0.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvns0.jpg

[Downhere]

You're talking on a more visual, special effects level, Downhere...I'm not really talking about that..I know that whatever they do, it's gonna look great..

I'm just saying, that I'm worried about how they are going to treat the unusual concept of Iceman and his icing up ability...It's one thing to say, oh, she just turns into people...Or, oh, she can control the weather...Fire is still hot, ice is still cold, though..

Blah...I think I'll stop while I'm ahead..I've been down this Iceman road for too long now...Especially since the next trailer is only 3 weeks from now and the film itself is right around the corner...I'll just hope for the best.

But...In case any of you are curious to what else I had to say to support my opinions, you can run a search on the many debates I've had on this Icing up issue..

-TNC

I think I understand where your coming from. I guess I try not to think that much about it. lol. I just know it's gonna be awesome and well...he's gonna ice up! lol. :up: :)

[cookiva]

That actually looks really friggen good, BB....

[Downhere]

I have to agree with TNC on this, im a bit skeptical about him icing up but im not sure why exactly. Colossus armours up for a reason, not just for the sake of it. What reason does iceman have to ice up? Sure I want to see it happen like everyone else but something bugs me about it.

Enough of that though, if he looks like this then ill be happy with it:

http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvnh0.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvns0.jpg

Sweet, I hope it looks like that in the film!

[WorthyStevens]

I have to agree with TNC on this, im a bit skeptical about him icing up but im not sure why exactly. Colossus armours up for a reason, not just for the sake of it. What reason does iceman have to ice up?

I think it'll happen during a possible Pyro vs. Iceman fight, and Bobby will ice up when he's near defeat...

Enough of that though, if he looks like this then ill be happy with it:

http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvnh0.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvns0.jpg

Those are very sweet. :up:

[Brad_Lewis]

If you read the posts of the walkthrough/interviews for the X3 press. There's a CGI interview, and he does say that Iceman will "ice up" and we will be able to see right through him. and It's one of the more interesting CGI.

Hopefully, I'm not letting the CAT out of the bag.

[TNC9852002]

if iceman can't ice up, maybe wolverine shouldnt have claws, just little knives he carries around.
http://ircyclopedia.com/images/4/4a/Orly_owl.jpg

Not the best analogy,...Iceman's abilities in proportion to him icing or not icing up in a X-Men movie is a bit closer to Wolverine wearing or not wearing his original mask with wings...The absence of claws is like saying that Iceman shouldn't be able to generate ice at all, but instead just carry around ice cubes and put out flames or somethin...

-TNC

[TNC9852002]

If you read the posts of the walkthrough/interviews for the X3 press. There's a CGI interview, and he does say that Iceman will "ice up" and we will be able to see right through him. and It's one of the more interesting CGI.

Hopefully, I'm not letting the CAT out of the bag.
Yeah...That's what we've been talking about..

The idea that a person having a see-through heart, lungs, bones, and all that made of ice just scares me visually :p ...Someone brought up and posted a picture of that mock-X-Men thingy and they had a see-through Iceman. I don't think many people liked that..

-TNC

[TNC9852002]

I have to agree with TNC on this, im a bit skeptical about him icing up but im not sure why exactly. Colossus armours up for a reason, not just for the sake of it. What reason does iceman have to ice up? Sure I want to see it happen like everyone else but something bugs me about it.

Enough of that though, if he looks like this then ill be happy with it:

http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvnh0.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvns0.jpg
This is kinda like what I was pointing out...For some reason, this does NOT look like the same kind of effect that Iceman would have to visually show in order to stay true to what the comics have usually defined his power to be...Notice in that scene in the movie, they are completely motion captured with fluid movements...They're trying to achieve the effect of a dancing woman completely made of ice (and not covered in ice).

But, in the comics (for the most part throughout the years, tells us that Iceman covers himself in ice), they've pointed out that Iceman's ice is constantly cracking and reforming (even though this is typically never drawn)...This has to be true since ice is ice and does not have much fluid movement in their particles..Just to turn his head would be a pain for the visual effects people if they follow this logic..

I dunno...My head hurts again..

-TNC

[ProfeZZor X]

http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvnh0.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvns0.jpg

Thanks for posting these pictures. I've been trying to find them since this post started. This would be a kick-ass way to do Iceman. Ever since I saw this film (Die Another Day), I've always dreamed of them doing Iceman in the same way. Even they used the same fire concept for Magma or Firestar (if they were in the film), I'd be happy.... Good find!!!

[Retroman]

Man, this is to be one those goosebump moments for me. Iceman finally icing up.:)

[lordofthenerds]

I'm guessing that he firsts ices up in the Danger Room in some dramatic moment.

[Super Flight]

This is a Sci-fi film, is not supposed to be true at all, so i dunno why some people think that someone cant become ice.. i mean if you want an explanation in reality terms first explain to me how every mutant in these movies work...Also if you want explanation for an x-men film YOU not getting any Bcasue its all FANTSAY NOT REAL, So iceman can ice him self up becasue it is a MOVIE!

[HughJackFan420]

Man, this is to be one those goosebump moments for me. Iceman finally icing up.:)

yeah me too man there gonna make it so real that u can see through him. man i've been waiting for this moment since X1. this is gonna be cool

[CapBeerCino]

I'm guessing that he firsts ices up in the Danger Room in some dramatic moment.
But isn't the scene from the teaser where frost is coming out of his hands is from the danger room?
My guess is the final battle.

[Retroman]

yeah me too man there gonna make it so real that u can see through him. man i've been waiting for this moment since X1. this is gonna be cool
Yeah literally.

[TNC9852002]

This is a Sci-fi film, is not supposed to be true at all, so i dunno why some people think that someone cant become ice.. i mean if you want an explanation in reality terms first explain to me how every mutant in these movies work...Also if you want explanation for an x-men film YOU not getting any Bcasue its all FANTSAY NOT REAL, So iceman can ice him self up becasue it is a MOVIE!
Just because it's a sci-fi film, that doesn't mean you can just defy "all physics" and do everything you want. There has to be boundaries set to keep the realism intact...The audience responds well not only to what looks good...

-TNC

[Retroman]

But isn't the scene from the teaser where frost is coming out of his hands is from the danger room?
My guess is the final battle.
It's hard to tell what in the trailer is from the final battle and what is the Danger room after reading that report.

[Super Flight]

Just because it's a sci-fi film, that doesn't mean you can just defy physics and do everything you want. There has to be boundaries set...The audience responds well not only to what looks good...

-TNC

yea i can understand that it has to LOOK real, but it doesnt mean it has to BE real..

[CapBeerCino]

It's hard to tell what in the trailer is from the final battle and what is the Danger room after reading that report.

Yeah I guess. I wish I could watch it with a bunch of other rabid fans that will cheer whenever another piece of the puzzle falls into place.

[Spidey 2007]

i dont get why people are complaining. its common sense....he wont look anything liek the "invisible woman" we are talkin ice here, thanks BB for those pics because thats clearly what it will be liek since they said you will be able to see through him. I personally cant wait, if Cyclops cant come in and take charge, tehn this would be a redeeming moment. It will in fact...give me chills.

[TNC9852002]

yea i can understand that it has to LOOK real, but it doesnt mean it has to BE real..
*stabs self with fork*

I should've just walked away.. :( This is like, impossible..

-TNC

[HughJackFan420]

i hope he gets shot at and the bullets bounce off him when he's iced up. that would be really cool.

[Essex]

Just because it's a sci-fi film, that doesn't mean you can just defy "all physics" and do everything you want. There has to be boundaries set to keep the realism intact...The audience responds well not only to what looks good...


I really don't understand how you think organic metal for Colossus is more acceptable than organic ice for Iceman...

Seems like a real "pick and choose" attitude. You can't defy "all physics" but you can defy SOME laws or physics? The X-Men movies have retained their realism through their tone, not the limitation of powers. I'd say powerful telekinesis and controlling the weather break just a few rules.

[ProfeZZor X]

But, in the comics (for the most part throughout the years, tells us that Iceman covers himself in ice), they've pointed out that Iceman's ice is constantly cracking and reforming (even though this is typically never drawn)...

He may have started off in the comics with a snow and ice covering, but this movie is based off a number of X-Men realities, and doesn't follow the way things really happens. Back in Giant Sized X-Men #1, Colossus wasn't gay, yet in the movie he is. In the second film, Beast was just Hank McCoy on a tv interview, not the hairy blue Beast we see in X3. The producers pick and choose what we see in the movie based on popularity, and what's in their budget. I'm just glad all of this is finally happening.

[TNC9852002]

I really don't understand how you think organic metal for Colossus is more acceptable than organic ice for Iceman...

Seems like a real "pick and choose" attitude. You can't defy "all physics" but you can defy SOME laws or physics? The X-Men movies have retained their realism through their tone, not the limitation of powers. I'd say powerful telekinesis and controlling the weather break just a few rules.
Well sure, that's why I said it that way,...Some laws have to be broken because we have telekinetics and weather gods in the movie...What they do with their powers still have to be within some true limitations though..

-TNC

[TNC9852002]

He may have started off in the comics with a snow and ice covering, but this movie is based off a number of X-Men realities, and doesn't follow the way things really happens. Back in Giant Sized X-Men #1, Colossus wasn't gay, yet in the movie he is. In the second film, Beast was just Hank McCoy on a tv interview, not the hair blue Beast. The producers pick and choose what we see in the movie based on popularity, and what's in their budget. I'm just glad all of this is finally happening.
When was Colossus confirmed to be gay?..

I believe that the reason why they had a human Hank in X2 was because they were tinkering with the idea of actually showing his transformation sometime during X2 or in the next film...

I brought up the notion that Iceman has been mostly known as covering himself in ice, which could be considered his most popular portrayal...What we've read in the set report seems like they won't be using that particular aspect..

-TNC

[Super Flight]

well if we're going to pick on iceman's powers for not being real, we should consider evreyone else powers and see if they are just as silly, but we take silly ideas that are impossible and make them seem real. Its part of movie magic, you enter a new world and become apart of it. Some people stay combided to their world Of Reality, they're used to it, and says the sci-fi world is impossible. This is what kinda ruins the magic you have to become ONE with the movie and accpet everything it throws at you,. I'm not the type of person who like to debate reality with sci-fiction becasue it just ruins the ride of haveing a place thats different. Plus theres no fun if you try and destroy movie magic

[TNC9852002]

well if we're going to pick on iceman's powers for not being real, we should consider evreyone else powers and see if they are just as silly, but we take silly ideas that are impossible and make them seem real. Its part of movie magic, you enter a new world and become apart of it. Some people stay combided to their world Of Reality, they're used to it, and says the sci-fi world is impossible. This is what kinda ruins the magic you have to become ONE with the movie and accpet everything it throws at you,. I'm not the type of person who like to debate reality with sci-fiction becasue it just ruins the ride of haveing a place thats different. Plus theres no fun if you try and destroy movie magic
I think you're misinterpreting alot of my whole issue...I don't really feel like repeating myself..I'm not trying to be smart (as in a smartass ), but I really don't.. :(

I'm mostly trying to extend to the comic book closeness to the aspects of Iceman's true ability and the visuals that come with it and if they can be taken truly as something that could really happen, even within the sci-fi fantasy realm of believability.

-TNC

[Super Flight]

I think you're misinterpreting alot of my whole issue...I don't really feel like repeating myself..I'm not trying to be smart (as in a smartass ), but I really don't.. :(

-TNC

sorry, i guess then i'm missunderstanding your point as well, so i'm going to try and get on your side...if i know where it is... lol

[sebaa]

iceman ice uo cool!! i want to see a photo of he in ice!

[HughJackFan420]

i don't care about defining the laws of physics here...

i just wanna see iceman in his iced out form with bullets bouncing off him and flying around on his ice slide trails....

they did it for Sub-Zero in Mortal Kombat Annihialation (yeah i know it sucked) but they had a smaller budget and pulled it off. i think with the technology we have now it will definelty work.

[The Apocalypse]

I hope it looks good when he does it. I rather him just do the ice slide thing. I have a feeling it won't look good.

[Super Flight]

Ok, iceman isnt going to get any simpilar as to lets say Frezzing the tempeture around his body so that his boday will start freezing... But then again would he be able to move if he frooze his body?? unless he doesnt frezzes his joints, or the ICE is movable ice like collosuses metal. Now i'm trying to prove somthing to somthing thats not real in the first place LOL

[TNC9852002]

sorry, i guess then i'm missunderstanding your point as well, so i'm going to try and get on your side...if i know where it is... lol
I'm mostly trying to extend to the comic book closeness to the aspects of Iceman's true ability and the visuals that come with it and if they can be taken truly as something that could really happen, even within the sci-fi fantasy realm of believability.

-TNC

[TNC9852002]

i don't care about defining the laws of physics here...

i just wanna see iceman in his iced out form with bullets bouncing off him and flying around on his ice slide trails.....
I dunno if they would want to show anything like that to where Iceman and Colossus would be that close with their powers. We've seen how bullets popped off of Colossus in X2...They'll probably do something alot more interesting that only ice can repel.. (how thick and dense would ice have to be to stop a speeding bullet, though?)

-TNC

[MJB]

This cool and i'm sure they'll have a reason for him to ice up. I think it's going to be cool.

[TNC9852002]

Ok, iceman isnt going to get any simpilar as to lets say Frezzing the tempeture around his body so that his boday will start freezing... But then again would he be able to move if he frooze his body?? unless he doesnt frezzes his joints, or the ICE is movable ice like collosuses metal. Now i'm trying to prove somthing to somthing thats not real in the first place LOL
A man covering his body with ice is not real, but ice IS real and I would assume that if they were to follow some of the physics that's realized in the comics, they would have to have Bobby crack and re-form the ice constantly like that as he moved, (otherwise he'd be a statue)..

That why the thought of having his body turn into transparent ice starts bugging me...The comics are screwing me up in the head now and I'm just curious to what the movie is gonna do about that..

-TNC

[Super Flight]

the only concer that i have is that i dont want him to look like a walking snow man, So i really hope he has an icey look , not like the frost of that he shoots

[HughJackFan420]

I dunno if they would want to show anything like that to where Iceman and Colossus would be that close with their powers. We've seen how bullets popped off of Colossus in X2...They'll probably do something alot more interesting that only ice can repel.. (how thick and dense would ice have to be to stop a speeding bullet, though?)

-TNC

ummm in the comics his ice shield or armor is so strong bullets bounce off him...and why couldn't they do the ice slide thing??? i mean i see it in the new X Men video game...yeah i know thats just the video game but honestly don't you think Brett and his crew didn't catch that??? i wonder where they got the ice sliding idea from??? hmmm....

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm mostly trying to extend to the comic book closeness to the aspects of Iceman's true ability and the visuals that come with it and if they can be taken truly as something that could really happen, even within the sci-fi fantasy realm of believability. -TNC

We're not beating up on you. But if you were a TRUE Iceman comic book fan, you'd know that he's gone through several transformations since the old days of snow and icy coverings. And although this is his first time really manifesting his icy abilities on-screen, we true fans would appreciate the fact that he doesn't have a half-assed look, versus all the other characters looking their best. The producers can't appeal to everyone's favorite look for their character, so they give a generalization or strong likeness to the most popular version of that character, without stepping over the real-world boundaries of physics. Even though creating an all ice character seems a lot unlikely.... But hey, it's what we fans want.

[Super Flight]

A man covering his body with ice is not real, but ice IS real and I would assume that if they were to follow some of the physics that's realized in the comics, they would have to have Bobby crack and re-form the ice constantly like that as he moved, (otherwise he'd be a statue)..

That why the thought of having his body turn into transparent ice starts bugging me...The comics are screwing me up in the head now and I'm just curious to what the movies are gonna do about that..

-TNC

a man covering his body in ice is real in the x-man world, but since its not real in our world we have to make it appear real, and even have an explanation so that the audiance doesnt laugh. And yes if he freezes his hole boday hell be a statue, unless the ice in bendable hahaha, which i'm sure is possible in the world of x-men, since anything is possible, but!! it has to appear real or people would laugh when they see him! Bending reality around fantasy is hard a tricking and if you dont pull it off right it looks stupid a cheesy and \at that point you fall out of the movie magic

[TNC9852002]

ummm in the comics his ice shield or armor is so strong bullets bounce off him...and why couldn't they do the ice slide thing??? i mean i see it in the new X Men video game...yeah i know thats just the video game but honestly don't you think Brett and his crew didn't catch that??? i wonder where they got the ice sliding idea from??? hmmm....
Oh no no...I LOVE the ice slide and I truly hope that's in the film...There's that screenshot of Bobby in his uniform icing along (not iced up, mind you), and the image looked great for the movie...

Like again, it could be easy enough to show that Iceman could generate some form of ice that could protect him from bullets, but I don't think they would do that with him if they've done it with Colossus in X2...

-TNC

[HughJackFan420]

a man covering his body in ice is real in the x-man world, but since its not real in our world we have to make it appear real, and even have an explanation so that the audiance doesnt laugh. And yes if he freezes his hole boday hell be a statue, unless the ice in bendable hahaha, which i'm sure is possible in the world of x-men, since anything is possible, but!! it has to appear real or people would laugh when they see him! Bending reality around fantasy is hard a tricking and if you dont pull it off right it looks stupid a cheesy and \at that point you fall out of the movie magic

i guess but it can work...i mean look at what they did with T2 and the T1000 (the liquid metal guy) and that was a long time ago...they have better technology to make it look as real as possible for Iceman to turn to ice and move like a human. it will work. i'm just glad they confirmed it.

[HughJackFan420]

Oh no no...I LOVE the ice slide and I truly hope that's in the film...There's that screenshot of Bobby in his uniform icing along (not iced up, mind you), and the image looked great for the movie...

Like again, it could be easy enough to show that Iceman could generate some form of ice that could protect him from bullets, but I don't think they would do that with him if they've done it with Colossus in X2...

-TNC

well it doesn't necesarrily have to be Bobby walking in a room getting shot at. he can be ice sliding while being shot at and bullets ricocheting off him.

[TNC9852002]

We're not beating up on you. But if you were a TRUE Iceman comic book fan, you'd know that he's gone through several transformations since the old days of snow and icy coverings. And although this is his first time really manifesting his icy abilities on-screen, we true fans would appreciate the fact that he doesn't have a half-assed look, versus all the other characters looking their best. The producers can't appeal to everyone's favorite look for their character, so they give a generalization or strong likeness to the most popular version of that character, without stepping over the real-world boundaries of physics. Even though creating an all ice character seems a lot unlikely.... But hey, it's what we fans want.
Ummm...okay?

Who's to say what's the most popular version of Iceman?

-TNC

[Super Flight]

Hey guys would you think it would be funny if boddy for fun was testing on adding ice around his body.. But of course its not going to be perfect the firsdt time, so he has some accidents... Such as snow keeps on adding to his body making him look like a human snowman that will look really funny on screen and in supossed to make people laugh, a second time boddy accdentaly frezzes his legs to the ground haha, but then in no time hes able to free him self

[Karea07]

thats like something that would happen in F4, not in X-men. Atleast I hope not.

[TNC9852002]

a man covering his body in ice is real in the x-man world, but since its not real in our world we have to make it appear real, and even have an explanation so that the audiance doesnt laugh.
no no no...That's the point!...These movies are trying to establish these films as if they're taking place in OUR world...That's why the realism of these extraordinary powers have been taken so seriously so far..

And yes if he freezes his hole boday hell be a statue, unless the ice in bendable hahaha, which i'm sure is possible in the world of x-men, since anything is possible, but!! it has to appear real or people would laugh when they see him! Bending reality around fantasy is hard a tricking and if you dont pull it off right it looks stupid a cheesy and \at that point you fall out of the movie magic
That ice wall in X2 sure didn't look too bendable to me.. :p

-TNC

[Wolverini]

Let us prepare for a "cold viewing"!

Oh enough with the Mr Freeze cheesy lines ... m'kay.

It would be very cool to see him Ice up all the way ... the see-through effect will just add into the realism even more! Wicked .. cant wait

[Super Flight]

^^ well i think it would be funny to happen to bobby, like 2 much snow thats on his body makes rogue say " bobbyyou look rediculise, your not going into battle like that"

[Wolverini]

Wolverine : "So is ... everything , like ... iced up?"
Iceman : "Yeah , what did you expect?"
Wolverine : "Soooo ... how do you and Rogue have ... "
Iceman : "Dont go there.."
Wolverine : "Yeah , your right ... she could slip"

[Super Flight]

It will freeze inside her and she'll have to push it out.....ok that was sick so yea, Moving on!!

[Wolverini]

That .. is sick , yea ... move on please

But if it would freeze inside her .. wouldn't she just "borrow" his powers?

No "big" deal if you ask me ;)

[Super Flight]

yea she wont be able to sit till its taking out

[X-Maniac]

TNC is right folks... most of the X-Men's movie powers are rooted in physics in some way. Colossus in X2 was explained as having a liquid metal in his body that comes to the surface defensively. And for X3, they are taking a similar position.

For someone to be able to turn their entire body to ice does stretch the boundaries.. if his entire body is ice, then how does he perform the normal functions of thinking, moving, breathing? If his brain turns to ice, then how does his body function at all?

The moviemakers are trying to root things in the remotely possible, in grounded science fiction rather than far-out stuff that goes so way beyond that you have to give up trying to understand it. They want people to relate to the characters, not feel far removed from them. History has given us people who claimed to be telekinetic, or telepathic, or magnetic, or elemental, or who could perform amazing physical feats or survive amazing extremes of temperature. Giving things a realistic root makes it somehow deeper, more substantial - it happened with Batman Begins, and King Kong too. Amazing thought went into making these fantastical things happen in a realistic setting. Create a believable world and unbelievable things will somehow seem more possible, audiences are less likely to groan and roll their eyes.

We live in a very secular (largely non-religious) world where people are looking for some sort of certainties and answers in life. TV is full of reality shows and those self-improvement shows on 'how to sell your house / stop your pets/kids being so unruly / make more money.' We're all looking for explanations, answers, reasons, solid ground. And the entertainment world reflects this. Escapist fantasy of the 70s is long gone. Things today are always rooted in the real world, given depth and explanation. It's the world we live in.

[CeeJay]

no no no...That's the point!...These movies are trying to establish these films as if they're taking place in OUR world...That's why the realism of these extraordinary powers have been taken so seriously so far..


That ice wall in X2 sure didn't look too bendable to me.. :p

-TNC

You're so right, bro.

That wall of ice in X2 looked pretty realistic to me, it didn't look out of place. I think because it "hasn't been done", people are quick to bag it. I hate how that happens. Just because it's something too new, it should be "tried some time later on when the time is right" (for technology or for audiences or ... whatever). The time will never be right - it's now. That's why you take chances.

Some of you freakin' ungrateful fans will never be happy. First you want him to ice-up, then - and WITHOUT even SEEING the footage yet for YOURSELVES - you already are hating on it and claiming that you know how it's going to turn out.

Bull ....!

[TNC9852002]

TNC is right folks... most of the X-Men's movie powers are rooted in physics in some way. Colossus in X2 was explained as having a liquid metal in his body that comes to the surface defensively. And for X3, they are taking a similar position.

For someone to be able to turn their entire body to ice does stretch the boundaries.. if his entire body is ice, then how does he perform the normal functions of thinking, moving, breathing? If his brain turns to ice, then how does his body function at all?

The moviemakers are trying to root things in the remotely possible, in grounded science fiction rather than far-out stuff that goes so way beyond that you have to give up trying to understand it. They want people to relate to the characters, not feel far removed from them. History has given us people who claimed to be telekinetic, or telepathic, or magnetic, or elemental, or who could perform amazing physical feats or survive amazing extremes of temperature. Giving things a realistic root makes it somehow deeper, more substantial - it happened with Batman Begins, and King Kong too. Amazing thought went into making these fantastical things happen in a realistic setting. Create a believable world and unbelievable things will somehow seem more possible, audiences are less likely to groan and roll their eyes.

We live in a very secular (largely non-religious) world where people are looking for some sort of certainties and answers in life. TV is full of reality shows and those self-improvement shows on 'how to sell your house / stop your pets/kids being so unruly / make more money.' We're all looking for explanations, answers, reasons, solid ground. And the entertainment world reflects this. Escapist fantasy of the 70s is long gone. Things today are always rooted in the real world, given depth and explanation. It's the world we live in.
I knew you would be the one to save me..uh, again.. ;)

-TNC

[cookiva]

For someone to be able to turn their entire body to ice does stretch the boundaries.. if his entire body is ice, then how does he perform the normal functions of thinking, moving, breathing? If his brain turns to ice, then how does his body function at all?



How does Cyke close his eyes without having optic blasts burn thru his eyelids...?

[Wolverini]

Im not a hater :(

I'd love to see it ... May cant come quick enough

[_BB_]

How does Cyke close his eyes without having optic blasts burn thru his eyelids...?

Isnt his body immune to his own power? Thats why Havoks powers wont work on him and vice versa because they are related

[cookiva]

Isnt his body immune to his own power? Thats why Havoks powers wont work on him and vice versa because they are related

....

why do I have to sound like an idiot when I think im smart....


Ok, how about this one? How are there mutants...?

[X-Maniac]

How does Cyke close his eyes without having optic blasts burn thru his eyelids...?

From http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/cyclops.htm


Known superhuman powers: Cyclops possesses the mutant ability to project a beam of concussive, ruby-colored force from his eyes. Cyclops's eyes are no longer the complex organic jelly that utilizes the visible spectrum of light to see the world around it. Instead, they are inter-dimensional apertures between this universe and another, non-Einsteinium universe, where physical laws as we know them do not pertain. This non-Einsteinium universe is filled with particles that resemble photons, yet they interact with this universe's particles by transferring kinetic energy in the form of gravitons (the particle of gravitation). These particles generate great, directional concussive force when they interact with the objects of this universe.

Cyclops's mind has a particular psionic field that is attuned to the forces that maintain the apertures that have taken the place of his eyes. Because his mind's psionic field envelops his body, it automatically shunts the other-dimensional particles back into their point of origin when they collide with his body. Thus, his body is protected from the effects of the particles, and even the thin membrane of his eyelids is sufficient to block the emission of energy. The synthetic ruby quartz crystal used to fashion the lenses of Cyclops's eyeglasses and visor is resonant to his minds' psionic field and is similarly protected.

The width of Cyclops's eye-blast seems to be focused by his mind's psionic field with the same autonomic function that regulated his oriinal eyes' ability to focus. As Cyclops focuses, the size of the aperture changes and thus act as a valve to control the flow of particles and beam's relative power. The height of Cyclops's eye-blast is controlled by his visor's adjustable slit. His narrowest beam, about the diameter of a pencil at a distance of 4 feet has a force of about 2 pounds per square inch. His broadest beam, about 90 feet across at a distance of 50 feet, has a force of about 10 pounds per square inch. His most powerful eye-blast is a beam 4 feet across which, at a distance of 50 feet, has a force of 500 pounds per square inch. The maximum angular measurement of Cyclops's eye-blast is equivalent to a wide-angle 35mm camera lens field of view (90 degree measured diagonally, or the angle subtended by holding this magazine's pages spread open, upright at 9.5 inches from your eyes). The minimum angular measurement is equivalent to the angle that the thickness of a pencil would subtend at 4 feet (3.5 degree, about a quarter of an inch viewed at 4 feet). The beam's effective range is about 2,000 feet, at which point a 1-inch beam has spread out to 10 feet square, and then has a pressure of .38 pounds per square inch. Cyclops's maximum force is sufficient to tip over a filled 5,000 gallon tank at a distance of 20 feet, or puncture a 1-inch carbon-steel plate at a distance of 2 feet.

The extra dimensional supply of energy for Cyclops's eye-blast is practically infinite. Thus, so long as Cyclops's psionic field is active (which is constantly), there is the potential to emit energy. The only limit to the eye-blast is the mental fatigue of focusing constantly. After about 15 minute of constant usage, the psionic field subsides and allows only a slight leakage of energy to pass through the aperture. Cyclops's metabolism will recover sufficiently for him to continue in about an additional 15 minutes.

[cookiva]

Sorry, but I had a brain fart, Xmaniac...

You musta had this screen up for awhile....

[HughJackFan420]

From http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/cyclops.htm


Known superhuman powers: Cyclops possesses the mutant ability to project a beam of concussive, ruby-colored force from his eyes. Cyclops's eyes are no longer the complex organic jelly that utilizes the visible spectrum of light to see the world around it. Instead, they are inter-dimensional apertures between this universe and another, non-Einsteinium universe, where physical laws as we know them do not pertain. This non-Einsteinium universe is filled with particles that resemble photons, yet they interact with this universe's particles by transferring kinetic energy in the form of gravitons (the particle of gravitation). These particles generate great, directional concussive force when they interact with the objects of this universe.

Cyclops's mind has a particular psionic field that is attuned to the forces that maintain the apertures that have taken the place of his eyes. Because his mind's psionic field envelops his body, it automatically shunts the other-dimensional particles back into their point of origin when they collide with his body. Thus, his body is protected from the effects of the particles, and even the thin membrane of his eyelids is sufficient to block the emission of energy. The synthetic ruby quartz crystal used to fashion the lenses of Cyclops's eyeglasses and visor is resonant to his minds' psionic field and is similarly protected.

The width of Cyclops's eye-blast seems to be focused by his mind's psionic field with the same autonomic function that regulated his oriinal eyes' ability to focus. As Cyclops focuses, the size of the aperture changes and thus act as a valve to control the flow of particles and beam's relative power. The height of Cyclops's eye-blast is controlled by his visor's adjustable slit. His narrowest beam, about the diameter of a pencil at a distance of 4 feet has a force of about 2 pounds per square inch. His broadest beam, about 90 feet across at a distance of 50 feet, has a force of about 10 pounds per square inch. His most powerful eye-blast is a beam 4 feet across which, at a distance of 50 feet, has a force of 500 pounds per square inch. The maximum angular measurement of Cyclops's eye-blast is equivalent to a wide-angle 35mm camera lens field of view (90 degree measured diagonally, or the angle subtended by holding this magazine's pages spread open, upright at 9.5 inches from your eyes). The minimum angular measurement is equivalent to the angle that the thickness of a pencil would subtend at 4 feet (3.5 degree, about a quarter of an inch viewed at 4 feet). The beam's effective range is about 2,000 feet, at which point a 1-inch beam has spread out to 10 feet square, and then has a pressure of .38 pounds per square inch. Cyclops's maximum force is sufficient to tip over a filled 5,000 gallon tank at a distance of 20 feet, or puncture a 1-inch carbon-steel plate at a distance of 2 feet.

The extra dimensional supply of energy for Cyclops's eye-blast is practically infinite. Thus, so long as Cyclops's psionic field is active (which is constantly), there is the potential to emit energy. The only limit to the eye-blast is the mental fatigue of focusing constantly. After about 15 minute of constant usage, the psionic field subsides and allows only a slight leakage of energy to pass through the aperture. Cyclops's metabolism will recover sufficiently for him to continue in about an additional 15 minutes.

damn that was like reading a science book

way to break it down Professor Maniac

[X-Maniac]

^^^ That's the comicbook explanation, anyway. Rather complex!

There is a further factor to his beams - he lost the ability to control them when injured in an air crash. I am sure I read somewhere that the moviemakers had debated that the blasts are triggered automatically when his eyes open and that somehow the ruby quartz has a unique crystal structure that refracts or reflects or filters the particles and prevents them forming a solid beam of force. It seems better than taking into account another universe with other laws of physics.

[TNC9852002]

Either way, whoever came up with that explanation really knew their stuff within the realms of comic book and true life science...

-TNC

[ProfeZZor X]

For someone to be able to turn their entire body to ice does stretch the boundaries.. if his entire body is ice, then how does he perform the normal functions of thinking, moving, breathing? If his brain turns to ice, then how does his body function at all?

Who knows if it will be explained. But seeing that the root of his powers stems from his hypathaulamus (brain), being able to regulate his bodily temperature, we'll have to see how they explain the physics behind that situation.

Look at the Hulk movie, and Spiderman 2. Banner grew mass from within, and a man can survive with 4 metal limbs attached to his back, yet can support and operate them on his own bodily electricity. Anything is possible, so rather than get all scientific, I say we fans should be happy it's going to happen.

[X-Maniac]

Who knows if it will be explained. But seeing that the root of his powers stems from his hypathaulamus (brain), being able to regulate his bodily temperature, we'll have to see how they explain the physics behind that situation.

Look at the Hulk movie, and Spiderman 2. Banner grew mass from within, and a man can survive with 4 metal limbs attached to his back, yet can support and operate them on his own bodily electricity. Anything is possible, so rather than get all scientific, I say we fans should be happy it's going to happen.

Well, the Hulk is packed with scientific thinking. He is green because of the DNA elements from green-glowing bio-luminescent jellyfish that his father used in genetic experimentation. He grew in mass due to water causing cellular expansion (like the sea creatures able to grow limbs back at the start of the movie; look at all the water around him when he shrinks back to normal size, like at the very end), his skin became hard due to DNA from other sea creatures with hard external coverings, his strength derived from absorbing ambient energy (as at the end in the fight with his dad).

Attachment of new limbs, organic or inorganic, and including attachment to existing nerves, is no longer strange in science.

[TNC9852002]

:eek: I hadn't caught onto the cellular expansion until now..

-TNC

[PWN3R]

Ok, how about this one? How are there mutants...?

People drank crunk juice, and boom....mutant gene was created.

[cookiva]

People drank crunk juice, and boom....mutant gene was created.


Uhh....wow....

[X-Maniac]

(I think a lot of people may rewatch Hulk now, and concentrate on the opening scientific scenes and the pools of water around him at the end when he changes back to normal in SF, in front of Betty).

I think i've done my 'bringer of light and wisdom' thing justice today!

[cookiva]

(I think a lot of people may rewatch Hulk now, and concentrate on the opening scientific scenes and the pools of water around him at the end when he changes back to normal in SF, in front of Betty).

I think i've done my 'bringer of light and wisdom' thing justice today!

I thought Hulk was awesome. I really thought it was one of the best Marvel films, but thats because I like having the serious (Hulk, DD, Xmen) and the silly (SP, FF) marvel films. I know going into a film whether I should enjoy it for one or the other, and Im usually not dissapointed...

[TNC9852002]

Oh no...I remember everything about the ambient energy, the cellular expansion w/ the discharge , and the green jellyfish...

This was just the first time that anyone has explained it over and connected everything.. :p It's always been something in the back of my head until now..

-TNC

[PWN3R]

Hulk was a GOOD movie, it was just advertised as an action movie...which it was not.

[cookiva]

Hulk was a GOOD movie, it was just advertised as an action movie...which it was not.

Its so hard for me to pick a 3rd fav marvel film, because after X2 and SP2, all of them are soo good IMO...

[PWN3R]

Its so hard for me to pick a 3rd fav marvel film, because after X2 and SP2, all of them are soo good IMO...


Elektra maybe? ;)

[TNC9852002]

I agree,...I've always thought of Hulk as a great film and that Ang Lee was and still is a tremendous filmmaker..

-TNC

[cookiva]

Elektra maybe? ;)

Ah, wait, forgot about that and Man Thing...

I even liked the origional Capn movie!

[the Firestarter]

i didn't like the hulk movie. the hulk appeared too cartoonish. preferred the lou ferigno "live action" hulk. maybe if they do another one they'll get the cg right, downsize him to a more realistic scope, and/or put a professional wrestler in makeup to play the hulk.

[PWN3R]

Ah, wait, forgot about that and Man Thing...

I even liked the origional Capn movie!

Man Thing? I forgot about that! I wanna see it. :)

[HughJackFan420]

I agree,...I've always thought of Hulk as a great film and that Ang Lee was and still is a tremendous filmmaker..

-TNC

thank u

i thought the Hulk movie was decent as well as FF4

the worst Marvel movies for me are of course Daredevil and Elektra

a black Kingpin i mean WTF???

[cookiva]

thank u

i thought the Hulk movie was decent as well as FF4

the worst Marvel movies for me are of course Daredevil and Elektra

a black Kingpin i mean WTF???

Daredevil is a personal fav of mine. Dont watch the regular cut, but see the Directors Cut. Its great....

[cookiva]

Man Thing? I forgot about that! I wanna see it. :)

I bought it for 7 bucks at a movie trading company. While its terrible, I love to watch it, just to laugh...

[PWN3R]

Daredevil is a personal fav of mine. Dont watch the regular cut, but see the Directors Cut. Its great....

Agreed!

I might get flamed, but I enjoyed DD better than the first Spidey! :daredevil

[cookiva]

Agreed!

I might get flamed, but I enjoyed DD better than the first Spidey! :daredevil

I did too, bro!!! I also thought that, watching all movies nowadays, it was better than X1, IMO...

[PWN3R]

I did too, bro!!! I also thought that, watching all movies nowadays, it was better than X1, IMO...

Totally, DD was an awesome movie. It was faithful to the comic, and I just loved it.

I never got why so many people hated it, maybe one of those 'cool to hate' sorta things....

[X-Maniac]

Is Hellboy better as a director's cut or as a regular cinematic cut? I have the DC version, never saw it at the cinema though.

Yes, the DC of Daredevil was much better.

I just wish I could enjoy F4 more. It had so much potential. Turning Reed into a meek super-loser was not good, and a bit too much comedy from Torch.

[Knives122]

yeah Hulk IS a good film, I've watched it more times then SP2 and X2 and I'm still not bored with it(while I am with the other two).

It was really a shame people didn't realize that the film would be looking more into Bruce's perspective then the hulks "beat everything up" perspective

PS: I think hellboy is worse then Daredevil

[cookiva]

Is Hellboy better as a director's cut or as a regular cinematic cut? I have the DC version, never saw it at the cinema though.


Eh, kinda. DC is usually better, and I remember the cinima cut was meh...



I just wish I could enjoy F4 more. It had so much potential. Turning Reed into a meek super-loser was not good, and a bit too much comedy from Torch.

I thought that FF was awesome, and Evans was basically the main reason. But then again, no one can argue against Ben Grimm. Jeez, Micheal hit him outta the park!

[cookiva]

Totally, DD was an awesome movie. It was faithful to the comic, and I just loved it.

I never got why so many people hated it, maybe one of those 'cool to hate' sorta things....

Its because of Affleck. I thought he was a great Murdock...

[TNC9852002]

Yeah,...The DD DC is great....I'm actually gonna try to watch it sometime this weekend..

-TNC

[Asteroid-Man]

iceman will also be able to make an ice dome around people to save them in film. says shohreh
wats the diference between the directors cut and the normal dd?

[Mr. Socko]

This movie is going to rule, finally the real Iceman.

[the Firestarter]

the hulk story was ok, though a little too dark. i think the movie should have been a bit lighter... similar to fantastic four in mood with a more realistic looking hulk. i'd like to see them try again with that one... since i love the hulk comic books.

looking forward to iceman "icing up"!!!

[Angamb]

I still don't believe at all this ice-up thing, don't know why

[Star]

me either...

[Storm22]

Wasn't it confirmed in some set visit reports??

[-Æ-]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/IceMan.gif


Icemans new look!

[xwolverine2]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/IceMan.gif


Icemans new look!
that looks like mega-man......:)

[Antrax255]

It was confirmed and it will be completely cgi we will be able to see through hm.

[PWN3R]

He would have to 'ice up' to beat Pyro...eh?

;)

[kookevin3]

i think pyro would beat iceman

[Phoenix342]

no way ^

[-Æ-]

i think pyro would beat iceman


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/IceMan.gif VS. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/FireMan.gif

[Phoenix342]

haha awesome

[PWN3R]

That is EPIC....

[TNC9852002]

It was confirmed and it will be completely cgi we will be able to see through hm.
Well, the coverage of these set reports are accurate only up to the end of November of last year...

It's always possible that they will change up the effect for Iceman in the final product..

-TNC

[TNC9852002]

iceman will also be able to make an ice dome around people to save them in film. says shohreh
OMG...I remember her saying something like that a loong time ago...Like, back in the summertime..

-TNC

[lordofthenerds]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/IceMan.gif VS. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/willem_black/FireMan.gif
:eek: Pyro would kick a$$. Iceman looks like he has some serious mental issues.

[ProfeZZor X]

http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvnh0.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvns0.jpg

This is simply just an awesome shot, so I had to repost it again. Although Iceman will be wearing a leather outfit, seeing his head like this is good enough for me. As long as he doesn't wear a black bandana or black arm band with an "X"... Like in the Ultimate universe.

[SingItWithMeNow]

iceman has a nice rack

[CeeJay]

Why don't you "believe" he'll ice-up? It's been confirmed already. After all the effects we've already seen from this movie franchise, what's so hard to believe about an ice-up effect?

Funny ...

[ProfeZZor X]

Why don't you "believe" he'll ice-up? It's been confirmed already. After all the effects we've already seen from this movie franchise, what's so hard to believe about an ice-up effect?...

Most of us here already know he'll ice up. We were just discussing the implications and practical science in creating (and explaining) an animated body completely made of ice. Of course there's the cracking, creeking, and reformation of ice whenever he moves his body, that part of Iceman's body dynamics was explained in the Marvel Universe back in the mid 1980's, but how he converts, or even partially converts is the mystery of his mutant power.

[Kirby&Ditko]

Do you guys think if he ices up that he will look like Colossus [ie. black costume with ice "skin"] or that he will be a head to toe ice man? I vote for the latter.

[ProfeZZor X]

Do you guys think if he ices up that he will look like Colossus [ie. black costume with ice "skin"] or that he will be a head to toe ice man? I vote for the latter.

I doubt if his costume will be armless like Colossus, but I'm hoping that Pyro sets his costume on fire, and Iceman extinguishes it by freezing/shattering it off himself. It's a little gay, but it'll give him a reason to take it off so we can see his transparent body.

[Retroman]

I have to agree with TNC on this, im a bit skeptical about him icing up but im not sure why exactly. Colossus armours up for a reason, not just for the sake of it. What reason does iceman have to ice up? Sure I want to see it happen like everyone else but something bugs me about it.

Enough of that though, if he looks like this then ill be happy with it:

http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvnh0.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/ofvns0.jpg
Is this from Die Another Day?

[_BB_]

yeah, its from the opening credits

[Avalanche]

This movie is going to rule, finally the real Iceman.
Just because he can ice up doesn't mean you'll be getting the real Iceman. There's more to his character than that.

[Kanon]

I don't like the "see through" thing... I don't think it's gonna look ok on screen. I'm OK with covered-in-ice Iceman, but actually-transformed-in-ice Iceman...

[Lightning Strykez!]

I still don't believe at all this ice-up thing, don't know why

:confused:

Why not? During his X2 "coming out" didn't he tell his mother he could "do a lot more than that"?

[Avalanche]

I don't like the "see through" thing... I don't think it's gonna look ok on screen. I'm OK with covered-in-ice Iceman, but actually-transformed-in-ice Iceman...See through is the natural look of ice though. If they want to keep some grounded realism, they have to have him look like ice if ice is the form he's supposed to be in. I admit it could well look strange on screen, but hopefully in a good way.

[Iceman]

Realism Schmealism - Even if it ruins the feel of the film it might be worth it to see the true Iceman on screen :D

[xwolverine2]

did anyone read about that new tech they invented just for X3...:eek:
(to make patrick and ian younger)

WOW i cant wait to see how they pull that off too:up:

[Asr]

Ice is naturally translucent....I'm hoping we get an effect like that. Could be supremely awesome!!1!1

[Lightning Strykez!]

did anyone read about that new tech they invented just for X3...:eek:
(to make patrick and ian younger)

WOW i cant wait to see how they pull that off too:up:

Awesome indeedy.

[xwolverine2]

Awesome indeedy.
its gonna be wierd seeing ian all.....young:eek:

X3 is the first!!:up:

[X-Maniac]

If we get Bobby iced-up in a see-through way, then so be it. Iceman fans will crap themselves for sure! I'm not sure how far it stretches the sci-fi science to have someone's entire body turn into transparent ice (including the brain that controls his thoughts and movement?!), but the comics had it, so there is precedent for it.

[FRUITY]

its gonna be wierd seeing ian all.....young:eek:

X3 is the first!!:up:

I wonder if we get to see Patrick with hair? Hmmmm..............

[xwolverine2]

I wonder if we get to see Patrick with hair? Hmmmm..............
and eyebrows:O

[xwolverine2]

If we get Bobby iced-up in a see-through way, then so be it. Iceman fans will crap themselves for sure! I'm not sure how far it stretches the sci-fi science to have someone's entire body turn into transparent ice (including the brain that controls his thoughts and movement?!), but the comics had it, so there is precedent for it.
i dont think well see THE WHOLE body transperant just the head..(because hes in a suit):)

[FRUITY]

and eyebrows:O
Ahh. Almost slipped my mind, we must never forget the importance of eyeborows.

[Storm22]

i dont think well see THE WHOLE body transperant just the head..(because hes in a suit)

and not to sound wierd or anything but there'd be a whole ice penis issue to deal with

[X-Maniac]

i dont think well see THE WHOLE body transperant just the head..(because hes in a suit):)

But a bit pointless just to have only his head turn to ice! Surely it'd be better to see most of his body do that, maybe after he is captured and his suit removed.. he then resorts to icing up as an extreme defensive measure and instinctive response...

[WorthyStevens]

and not to sound wierd or anything but there'd be a whole ice penis issue to deal with

Pervert. :eek:



;) :p

[FRUITY]

and not to sound wierd or anything but there'd be a whole ice penis issue to deal with

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/fruityemen/Gif/Ah_by_OfSleepyEyes.gifNaughty! I wonder how he ejaculate in his ice state, wouldn't "it" freezes on the way out. Lol. :p

[Storm22]

Pervert. :eek:



;) :p

Haha, I'm really not. Seriously though, it's a point they'd have to consider, the can't show his WHOLE body iced up!

[xwolverine2]

But a bit pointless just to have only his head turn to ice! Surely it'd be better to see most of his body do that, maybe after he is captured and his suit removed.. he then resorts to icing up as an extreme defensive measure and instinctive response...
why pointless.....im not saying the head only....obviously i mean UNDER his suite his body is ice but you only get to SEE the head..:up: :)

[FRUITY]

But a bit pointless just to have only his head turn to ice! Surely it'd be better to see most of his body do that, maybe after he is captured and his suit removed.. he then resorts to icing up as an extreme defensive measure and instinctive response...

I would rather see his suit to frost a little as he ice-up.

[X-Maniac]

As long as there is a sense of 'realism' to it all. Extreme physical powers can instantly make something seem 'popcorn' or a kids' movie.

[WorthyStevens]

This is how I'd like to see Iceman all iced up in the movie:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/ScottStevensDevils/Iceman1280-thumb.jpg

[xwolverine2]

I would rather see his suit to frost a little as he ice-up.
yeah that might be what will happen...