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Lightning Strykez!
08-18-2005, 02:32 PM
"X3's Musical Score":
The Official Forum Discussion
An Essay By Caliph AKA Lightning Strikez!
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From the little we've heard, it appears that X3 is going to be grittier, more controversial and emotionally driven than what we've gotten accustomed to. Considering that Brett Ratner, an A-list director who reportedly is well-versed in X-Men comic lore is helming the project, it's likely that the overall *feel* and styling of X3 will be drastically different from the first two installments (in fact, even if Brett wasn't hell-bent on doing this franchise, it still would be an aesthetic departure from Singer's previous works).
That said, a high level of importance should be given to a little something called...continuity. In other words, we as fans and movie goers want "the same, but different". Obviously the same characters and the general direction that X2 established will be respected here, but there is one item that can make X3 still *feel* like X2: Its orchestral score.
Update 12/9/05:
It was announced today that John Powell will compose the music for 20th Century Fox's X-Men 3:
http://www.hanszimmer-archiv.de/jpowell.jpg
Powell, whose previous action scores include Face/Off, The Bourne Identity and The Italian Job, is working for the first time with director Brett Ratner. Previous reports about Lalo Schifrin being involved in the project (Ratner worked with him on the two Rush Hour films and After the Sunset) are no longer accurate. The two first X-Men films, directed by Bryan Singer, were scored by Michael Kamen and John Ottman.
X2's score, created by John Ottman (The Usual Suspects, Fantastic Four) weaved an easily identifiable, driving mood throughout the film. A total contrast to 2000's X-Men, X2 had a distinct musical style and most would equate as the series' signature theme.
Questions for Discussion:
*Do you think John Ottman's musical style is essential for X3's sense of continuity?
*Should John Powell base his score on Ottman's X2 themes, or design an all-new score?
*From the little we know, should X3's score be even darker to convey a sense of tragedy?
aaron
08-18-2005, 02:37 PM
i believe it isnt essential for ottman's style to continue as this movie is obviously going to have a different tone to the previous 2 installments.
i believe schifrin should base his themes on ottman's, but evolve them into his own, he obviously has the talent, the awards and experience he has show that easily.
tragedy - at some times, yeah.
green
08-18-2005, 02:41 PM
Ottman is also editing Superman Returns as well as scoring.
I would hope the score stays similar to X2 but honestly as long as it works Im happy.
*Do you think John Ottman's musical style is essential for X3's sense of continuity?
Not really. As much as I really loved his X2 score, it didn't have much continuity from the first.
*Should Lalo base his score on Ottman's X2 themes, or design an all-new score?
I think they should follow a bit of the previous themes with regards to a more action'ish flair but he should do his own too. Each movie had a different composer so that's something interesting to note.
*From the little we know, should X3's score convey a sense of tragedy?
A bit but mostly at the end.
the a1ant
08-18-2005, 03:40 PM
They need to get Ottman back...seriously. His main X2 theme was actually memorable. It'd be a big shame it the main theme is changed now. We need some continuity in the music for these films...at least the first three, ya know? If they don't manage to get Ottman back, then hopefully the X3 composer will incorporate the main theme into his music. Here's hoping. I can't even remember if that guy who scored 'Mission Impossible' was already officially signed for X3, or if it was just speculation :confused:
Lightning Strykez!
08-18-2005, 03:54 PM
I can't even remember if that guy who scored 'Mission Impossible' was already officially signed for X3, or if it was just speculation :confused:
According to IMDb.com Lalo is listed as "music composer." And it makes perfect sense considering that Lalo has apparently scored exclusively for Brett Ratner in the past (Money Talks, both Rush Hour films, Red Dragon et al).
WalkingDead
08-18-2005, 03:55 PM
I don't really think Ottman is needed back. I mean if he was to return, well then it's neat and good. But if he doesn't, well then that's fine as long as the composer can do the film justice and make it moving and exciting. It would be nice to see and opening theme similar to X2, but not exact I think.
I don't think it'll kill the movie if it doesn't sound like X2 in anyway as long as the music is solid and well-done.
I think even though we're getting a new composer,they will try and maintain the similarity with the themes.X1 and X2 has different composers,the first one being Michael Kamen.Although we had different composers,the themes and score sounded in sync with one another.So there really isn't a need to have the same composer back.As long as they know the feel and tone of the series,then I feel we have nothing to worry about.Besides,this guy is a veteran,what more could we ask for.
Lightning Strykez!
08-18-2005, 04:05 PM
I think even though we're getting a new composer,they will try and maintain the similarity with the themes.X1 and X2 has different composers,the first one being Michael Kamen.Although we had different composers,the themes and score sounded in sync with one another.So there really isn't a need to have the same composer back.As long as they know the feel and tone of the series,then I feel we have nothing to worry about.Besides,this guy is a veteran,what more could we ask for.
From what I've read John Ottman is actually recreating John William's score for Superman Returns. While I'm sure there are legal ramifications to account for, could Lalo do the very same thing in recreating Ottman's score but with a twist? Or are there copyright issues involved?
green
08-18-2005, 04:12 PM
From what I've read John Ottman is actually recreating John William's score for Superman Returns. While I'm sure there are legal ramifications to account for, could Lalo do the very same thing in recreating Ottman's score but with a twist? Or are there copyright issues involved?
Ottman is only using the main Superman theme from Williams score and with Williams blessing. Like I said Ottman is also editing Superman Returns so I highly doubt he would be able to do a score for X3, Im not sure he would have the time. I doubt Ottman would mind Lalo using elements of the X2 score, he'd probably be flattered. I would hope he does for continuity sake.
As long as it's not some radical departure from the first two it'll be fine.
Slim_X
08-18-2005, 04:26 PM
I wanted Ottman back, but after hearing the F4 score I don't care who scores X3 anymore.
Lalo isn't doing the score for the film, unless something changes from this point out. IMDB is not always accurate, and isn't in this case.
Electrix
08-18-2005, 05:08 PM
Lalo seems good.
Aslong as the music suits the emotions of the scene I dont mind. I liked X1's music better than X2's. X1's music just felt more emotional and better in general.
X3:
3 directors
3 editors
3 composers
And many other 3 stuff I cant be bothered to remember.
chuckweedle
08-18-2005, 05:11 PM
Lalo isn't doing the score for the film, unless something changes from this point out. IMDB is not always accurate, and isn't in this case.
What makes you so sure? I'm not saying you're wrong, but you seem to be 100% positive on this, and I'm wondering if you know something we don't.
Mr. Freeze
08-18-2005, 05:22 PM
I want the score to be simliar to X1..
I loved the music tone when the Brotherhood was on screen!
TNC9852002
08-18-2005, 05:31 PM
Yeah,...I kinda preferred Kamen's score.. :(
I don't really care if it breaks continuity or not..I just want some damn good music.. :D I guess it would be nice if a little bit of Ottman and Kamen was thrown in, but if he's the kind of professional composer which I think he is, he'll probably stray a little and into his own original music..
-TNC
I want the score to be simliar to X1..
I loved the music tone when the Brotherhood was on screen!
THe music when Sabretooth walks up to Storm and grabs her by the throat is classic.I really love X1 now more than I did when it came out.
1) John Ottman told me that Lalo Schifrin working on the film is a rumor. I assume in his interest in working on the film, he's been trying to keep up to date on whether that position was still open.
2) Lalo's agent said online he was "hopeful" to work on the film, but didn't confirm he was working on it.
3) I was contacted via my site and had a bunch of people confirmed (which later proved true), and they gave me the name of a composer - Ilan Eshkeri (http://www.thexverse.com/news/0071.shtml). Eshkeri worked on some music for Layer Cake, so I assume he came in with Vaughn.
Yes, it could still change. But based on the other info being confirmed, I wouldn't hesitate to say I'm confident about Eshkeri. It was at least a month ago, and Ratner's aboard now (though he was then), but who knows?
http://www.mp3search.ru/album.html?id=27508&ref=4460 Click the little WMV icons to listen to some of his music. I think 'Drive to the Boatyard' is pretty cool. Listening to it, I was excited to hear what he'd do.
But I'm not offended if no one believes me yet; I know my site's still fairly new. And if this is proven wrong, I'll take it on the chin. lol :)
I want the score to be simliar to X1..
I loved the music tone when the Brotherhood was on screen!
Mystiques little theme sond was bad ass. :(
Retroman
08-18-2005, 05:45 PM
I think Lalo should be able to add his signature to the film but continue the themes that Ottman created for X2. Judging the recent rumors we're going to get a more dramatic score.
As someone suggested earlier maybe Lalo could collaborate with John on this. A bit like the Zimmer and Newton-Howard did on BB. Ottman has stated on many occasions that he wants to return as long as it doesn't conflict with Superman i'm fine with it.
EnSabahNur
08-19-2005, 12:09 AM
can we move this to non spoilers? please like its nothing against this thread but there needs to be good topics in there adn this has no spoilers there for allowing it to be in the nonspoilers section
Lightning Strykez!
08-19-2005, 11:07 AM
can we move this to non spoilers? please like its nothing against this thread but there needs to be good topics in there adn this has no spoilers there for allowing it to be in the nonspoilers section
:confused:
Whaa????? It's fine here. Not every topic has to contain a "spoiler" to be discussed in this section. Besides, the vast majority of us dwell here....why would I launch a thread that will get no feedback in a dead forum?
Lightning Strykez!
08-19-2005, 11:16 AM
1) John Ottman told me that Lalo Schifrin working on the film is a rumor. I assume in his interest in working on the film, he's been trying to keep up to date on whether that position was still open.
2) Lalo's agent said online he was "hopeful" to work on the film, but didn't confirm he was working on it.
3) I was contacted via my site and had a bunch of people confirmed (which later proved true), and they gave me the name of a composer - Ilan Eshkeri (http://www.thexverse.com/news/0071.shtml). Eshkeri worked on some music for Layer Cake, so I assume he came in with Vaughn.
Yes, it could still change. But based on the other info being confirmed, I wouldn't hesitate to say I'm confident about Eshkeri. It was at least a month ago, and Ratner's aboard now (though he was then), but who knows?
http://www.mp3search.ru/album.html?id=27508&ref=4460 Click the little WMV icons to listen to some of his music. I think 'Drive to the Boatyard' is pretty cool. Listening to it, I was excited to hear what he'd do.
But I'm not offended if no one believes me yet; I know my site's still fairly new. And if this is proven wrong, I'll take it on the chin. lol :)
An interesting find Ted; thanks for sharing what you've learned.
From what I understand, Brett prefers Lalo and apparently they have a good working relationship. Besides that, considering that Ottman is scoring Returns, I'd think that FOX would not be too keen on wanting their prized franchise sounding too similiar to their competitor. This summer Ottman did Fantastic 4, but it was the only comic book film he orchestrated in that time frame. But next summer he already has a major committment and since he'll be doing post on Returns at the same time as X3, I can't see FOX trying to involve him on this project.
My opinion on the subject? I love John Ottman. Although I haven't spoken to him since he departed for Australia, he was a real pleasure to talk to/deal with on the Fantastic 4 film--and I'd love to see him come back for X3. And I know he's interested in expanding the themes he set up for the series last time.
I guess time will tell.
People slept on Kamen's score, I guess 'cause it wasn't as action-driven as they would have liked. But then again, the first X-Men wasn't very action driven. And the music he did for the scene with Wolverine and Rogue (that's the actual title of the piece on the soundtrack) on the Statue of Liberty torch is very memorable and emotional. I also liked the music from the opening credits/cerebro scene.
And I'm pretty sure Danny Elfman did the music for Red Dragon, Lightning.
Maybe Marco Beltrami's available?
Lightning Strykez!
08-19-2005, 04:18 PM
People slept on Kamen's score, I guess 'cause it wasn't as action-driven as they would have liked. But then again, the first X-Men wasn't very action driven. And the music he did for the scene with Wolverine and Rogue (that's the actual title of the piece on the soundtrack) on the Statue of Liberty torch is very memorable and emotional. I also liked the music from the opening credits/cerebro scene.
And I'm pretty sure Danny Elfman did the music for Red Dragon, Lightning.
Maybe Marco Beltrami's available?
IMDb has him listed for orchestrating that if I recall correctly.
the a1ant
08-19-2005, 09:55 PM
hey a1ant
this news will probably bum ya out as much as it did me...
I really want John Ottman to come back to score X-Men 3...and there was
too many rumors goin around about Lalo takin over the reins
so I asked the guy himself
here's a quote
" I share your concerns. If they stay on schedule I will not be able
to do it. But the Lalo thing is just a rumor. I would hope that
whoever does it keeps the themes intact, however I have heard word that the
director wants yet ANOTHER musical approach. Eeeh ghads!"
Ugh. :( Ottman regularly replies to e-mail from his website, so the quote should be legit.
Lightning Strykez!
08-19-2005, 11:57 PM
Ugh. :( Ottman regularly replies to e-mail from his website, so the quote should be legit.
Why do you say "Ugh"? Bryen wanted another musical approach for X2 and it worked fine. I'm sure whoever gets the job will bring their own savvy style to it.
But my question is: Who launched the Lalo rumor if it's indeed false?
I doubt Ottman will return, as much as I would desire him to.
Ratner seems like he wants to work with a group of people that are diverse cinematically to Singer's usual group of artists and it seems he even works the same people ala Singer for each consecutive project.
Whatever becomes of the X3 score, I'm sure it will suffice while separating itself somewhat from the last one, which fittingly accomplished the same task from the first one.
Darthkush
08-20-2005, 02:21 AM
I think Ottman should return mostly because I loved his X2 score. The only score I've heard from him that dissapointed me was his Fantastic Four score and even that was still decent.
At the same time, yeah, it could make things weird if X3 and Superman Returns have the same composer but hopefully they'll sound different enough so it wouldn't matter.
If a new composer comes on, it's only good news if the score is better. I believe we were lucky when Ottman did X2 in that it was better than Kamen's score(not that Kamen's was bad mind you. It's just that Ottman's is more in line with what I expected an X-men movie score to be in the first place) but I don't think we'll have the same luck twice. It'd be nice if we did though.
If Ottman doens't do it, I still hope it's good but I think it'd be better to play it safe and just get Ottman back instead.
Lightning Strykez!
08-20-2005, 02:41 AM
Considering that the brunt of John's work happens in post-production (and that SR and X3's post production periods will overlap eachother completely) I think it's a forgone conclusion that he won't physically be able to do X3. Remember, he is posted in Australia for the duration of SR.
Lightning Strykez!
09-03-2005, 01:56 PM
Ugh...
So we've finally gotten confirmation that once again IMDb got their facts wrong and Lalo is not scoring this project.
Instead, UK composer Ilan Eshkeri is on board. He's responsible for the following movie scores:
1.) X-Men 3 (2006) (filming)
2.) The Banker (2004)
3.) Ring of the Nibelungs (2004) (TV)
... aka Nibelungen, Die (Germany)
... aka The Sword of Xanten (UK: theatrical title)
4.) Layer Cake (2004)
5.) Back to Gaya (2004) (additional music)
... aka Boo, Zino & the Snurks (UK) (USA)
6.) Colosseum: A Gladiator's Story (2003) (TV)
7.) Black Hawk Down (2001) (additional music)
8.) Trinity (2001)
9.) The Caller (2000) (song "Dead Line")
Note that he did Layer Cake....could this be yet another hold-over from when Matthew Vaughn was still doing the project? And is it possible that now that he's gone, this guy might go too?
I've never heard any of these films' scores. Has anyone else, and if so, how were they?
Neto Magnus
09-05-2005, 01:06 PM
I liked Michael K-Men's score the best. He did some of the best movie scores in film history. The guy pretty much set the whole tone for X-men in the first movie. And also it was cool that he worked with some other guy and add some splashes of electronica in X1. RIP Kamen.
Ottman however, did a pretty good job on X2. Although, I didn't quite enjoy his F4 score. I mean, how many different variations of the same theme can he do in that movie?
I don't really trust IMDb with their facts so we'll just have to wait until the X3 composer is officially announced.
um...I had a point to all this but I lost my train of thought.
to be continued...
I'm assuming he's a hold-over Lightning.I was looking forward to Lalo.
Lightning Strykez!
09-06-2005, 08:53 AM
I'm assuming he's a hold-over Lightning.I was looking forward to Lalo.
Me too. :(
Lightning Strykez!
10-11-2005, 11:36 PM
THREAD UPDATE:
So UK composer Ilan Eshkeri is out of the picture, and The Passion Of Christ's John Debney is allegedly in talks with FOX. I have mixxed feelings about this, but I will be fair and do an image gallery for the gentlemen anyway:
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/walt_disney/the_emperor_s_new_groove/david_hartley/emperorpre2.jpg
http://musicmedia.ign.com/music/image/johndebney1inline_022604.jpg
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/walt_disney/the_emperor_s_new_groove/david_hartley/groove.jpg
http://across.co.nz/Web%20John%20Debney%20and%20Mel%20Gibson.jpg
Downhere
10-12-2005, 12:36 AM
I'm assuming he's a hold-over Lightning.I was looking forward to Lalo.
I thought Lalo was out? I hope he is...I'm excited about the Debney news for sure.
Lightning Strykez!
10-12-2005, 09:13 AM
I thought Lalo was out? I hope he is...I'm excited about the Debney news for sure.
He is out. In fact, I've heard that he was never "in". :(
Which is a shame since it never hurts to have more Oscar and Grammy-worthy talent on board.
Well this guy sounds like top notch stuff.Being able to score diverse movies like Sin City and The Passion is no walk in the park.I'm glad if this guy's in.
Downhere,notice I said "I WAS looking forward to Lalo."
Lightning Strykez!
10-12-2005, 10:55 AM
I never saw Passion. How was the music? We honestly need a really triumphant, emotional and epic score for this film, so the guy needs to deliver.
Dude,The Passion was one sad movie and the score definitely reflected the tragedy of the story.
Lightning Strykez!
10-12-2005, 11:44 AM
Dude,The Passion was one sad movie and the score definitely reflected the tragedy of the story.
So I heard. I'm not one for blood and gore so I opted not to see it. So you think he could put a good level of emotion in this film via the score?
So I heard. I'm not one for blood and gore so I opted not to see it. So you think he could put a good level of emotion in this film via the score?
Without a doubt in my mind.The sequence which shows the devil was one of the hardest scenes I have had to ever watch because of the overall disturbing feeling I got.The actual shot and the theme at the time was just scary.
Lightning Strykez!
10-12-2005, 01:26 PM
Wow. Okay then. :eek:
When I watch movies I rarely pay attention to the scores, but I must say John Debney Passion score really stans out in my mind. This guy is a talented genius.
When I watch movies I rarely pay attention to the scores, but I must say John Debney Passion score really stans out in my mind. This guy is a talented genius.
Yea definitely.
When I think of the X-Men movies,Michael Kamen's themes always pop in my head.They were so memorable.X2's were almost as great.The standouts would definitely be the Intro/Titles theme and Jean's.
Lightning Strykez!
10-12-2005, 09:33 PM
Well, needless to say, the musical score will speak volumes on what kind of theme and tone this film will have. Personally, I think they should go for a darker theme--even darker than what Ottman did for X2.
I say this because this film will be an "end" of sorts--a bookend if you will--and if it's as dramatic and emotional as it shoooould be, then the music should fit.
I would love - although I don't think he's involved in any way - to see a piece like Mark Isham's "Flames" from the film Crash set against a scene with Jean and Cyclops reunited after her resurrection. It's one of those things I could see in my head and see working well.
Retroman
11-26-2005, 04:24 PM
UPDATE
From TheXverse:
We have also been informed by reliable sources that Danny Elfman, John Ottman and John Debney will not be scoring the movie (all have been rumored to be involved) but that someone is currently in negotiations for the job. We'll have more news for you on that the minute we get it.Source: http://www.thexverse.com/news/0202.shtml
Who's going to do X3 then??? Schifrin? Williams? Zimmer?:confused:
MattC
11-26-2005, 04:26 PM
UPDATE
From TheXverse:
Source: http://www.thexverse.com/news/0202.shtml
Who's going to do X3 then??? Schifrin? Williams? Zimmer?:confused:
Ooops, I left Schifrin out, he isn't doing it either as we already know, neither is Ilan.
I was looking forward to Debney. :(
Retroman
11-26-2005, 04:36 PM
Ooops, I left Schifrin out, he isn't doing it either as we already know, neither is Ilan.
Him too??!!:eek: I wonder who it is and why didn't things work out between FOX and those guys?:confused:
MattC
11-26-2005, 04:41 PM
Him too??!!:eek: I wonder who it is and why didn't things work out between FOX and those guys?:confused:
Yeah, Lalo has been out for a long time now. He was only ever a rumor as John Ottman said. As for John Debney, I don't know I guess he wasn't what they were looking for? I am sure they have sat down with several people to try and find the best for this particular movie.
GothicPowerMix1
11-26-2005, 04:42 PM
First FOX can't stick with a Director for most of Pre Production
Now FOX can't find & stick with a Composer for all of Principal Filming
All part of their Master Plan ?
Electrix
11-26-2005, 04:43 PM
They havent hired loads of composers....they are just 'negotiating' with a few people...most are just rumours...
MattC
11-26-2005, 04:44 PM
First FOX can't stick with a Director for most of Pre Production
Now FOX can't find & stick with a Composer for all of Principal Filming
All part of their Master Plan ?
Fox have never said they have picked a composer, and they have never said they would have one through principal filming. A lot of movies don't have a composer at that point so its not like its a bad omen that no-one is signed. The reason Ottman was involved all the process had a lot to do with him editing I thought, as well as scoring.
GothicPowerMix1
11-26-2005, 04:45 PM
Party Pooper :p
JK
Retroman
11-26-2005, 05:08 PM
Yeah, Lalo has been out for a long time now. He was only ever a rumor as John Ottman said. As for John Debney, I don't know I guess he wasn't what they were looking for? I am sure they have sat down with several people to try and find the best for this particular movie.
Maybe Debney had other things in mind for the score or perhaps he did sort out personal terms?? I'm actually a little surprised they haven't hired Schifrin. It seems like a no-brainer to me especially because he's worked with Ratner so many times + he is free. I can understand Ottman not been on this but Schifrin. hmm..
deemar325
11-26-2005, 07:26 PM
I would rather have Ottman, but this other guy has got some major credentials.
bosef982
11-27-2005, 03:16 AM
I'm telling you guys, I'm going to root for....
DON DAVIS!!!!!
TheVileOne
11-27-2005, 03:21 AM
It should be Ottman since he did a fantastic score for the second movie. Let him build upon what he did with that. So what if he's also doing Superman? It just means we get more great superhero musical scores from Ottman.
IMDB saying Schifrin is the composer doesn't necessarily mean he is. ComingSoon.net or SHH have yet to report this. It just means a user could've submitted on the X-men 3 page that Schifrin is doing the music.
Lightning Strykez!
11-28-2005, 09:49 AM
Fox have never said they have picked a composer, and they have never said they would have one through principal filming. A lot of movies don't have a composer at that point so its not like its a bad omen that no-one is signed. The reason Ottman was involved all the process had a lot to do with him editing I thought, as well as scoring.
Exactly. That is clearly a post-production task.
Retroman
11-29-2005, 02:44 PM
Exactly. That is clearly a post-production task.
Any thoughts on who will possibly get this gig?:confused:
Lightning Strykez!
11-29-2005, 03:02 PM
None that I've heard of. Then again, no one at FOX is saying much of anything these days.
By the way, I think this is the worst-titled thread I've ever seen by far. :(
Angry Sentinel
11-29-2005, 03:04 PM
^Sentinel laughs @ lightning..
Your still the best dude
Lightning Strykez!
11-29-2005, 03:09 PM
^Sentinel laughs @ lightning..
Your still the best dude
Au contrare Moo-frair. With all of these misdirected threads of late, I feel my suck factor is starting to wet up. :(
Retroman
11-29-2005, 03:11 PM
None that I've heard of. Then again, no one at FOX is saying much of anything these days.
By the way, I think this is the worst-titled thread I've ever seen by far. :(
Yeah things are very secretive. Maybe they might end up working things with Ottman?
I see nothing wrong with the thread title.:confused:
Lightning Strykez!
11-29-2005, 03:37 PM
I'm expecting the new composer to build upon and expand Ottman's theme. I know FOX was really happy with X2's musical landscape.
Genosha
11-29-2005, 03:54 PM
Yeah things are very secretive. Maybe they might end up working things with Ottman?
I see nothing wrong with the thread title.:confused:
I really hope so! Ottman was fantastic on X2!
He took Kamen's X1 theme, which wasn't that bad to begin with, and enhanced it to a powerful degree.
I even like what he did with the FF score.
Lightning Strykez!
11-29-2005, 03:58 PM
Ya, I loooove the F4 score.
Octoberist
11-29-2005, 04:16 PM
Ug. John Ottman did a good job with Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. But he BANGED up the Fantastic Four score. It had nothing special about it. Here me out with Spider-Man and Batman Begins: Those scores grew on me and I love them now (More with Batman than Spider-Man). I bought the F4 Soundtrack and it was dull.
It didn't have a good "main theme". It doesn't have to catchy (although it should) but it was so generic.
Lightning Strykez!
11-29-2005, 04:21 PM
I guess this is where tastes differ my friend. I thought Track 1 in particular was outstanding. Some of it was somewhat paint-by-number, but I thought it worked for the film.
Octoberist
11-29-2005, 04:25 PM
I don't know. I just thought that Ottman was rushed with F4, but hey, that's my take.
You have to listen to the Kiss Kiss Bang Bang soundtrack. Very jazzy stuff.
Killgore
11-29-2005, 04:28 PM
There hasn't been a score for a comic film on the level of William's Superman or Elfman's Batman in the modern era(post first X-men). X-men's theme is far from rousing.
Octoberist
11-29-2005, 04:31 PM
Like what I said, I think that Spider-Man and Batman Begins don't have catchy tunes, but they're still good. With Batman Begins, it was more cerebral than heroic with it's score.
Lightning Strykez!
11-29-2005, 04:33 PM
Like what I said, I think that Spider-Man and Batman Begins don't have catchy tunes, but they're still good. With Batman Begins, it was more cerebral than heroic with it's score.
I agree. X2's theme is the only Marvel score that could pass for an actual trademark or signature score.
Yes, The Ottman rocks. His score for X2 is going to be very hard to beat...
Killgore
11-29-2005, 04:45 PM
If I remember correctly, Layer Cake had a bit of a techno score. I'd like for the X-men movies to be more traditional and and era-less like John Williams score's. Then again, Vangelis' score for Blade Runner is classic and inseparable from the film.
Lightning Strykez!
11-30-2005, 08:47 AM
If I remember correctly, Layer Cake had a bit of a techno score. I'd like for the X-men movies to be more traditional and and era-less like John Williams score's. Then again, Vangelis' score for Blade Runner is classic and inseparable from the film.
Hey Killgore....
What do you mean by "era-less" though? You mean so the music won't sound dated 15 years from now?:confused:
Killgore
11-30-2005, 09:05 AM
Hey Killgore....
What do you mean by "era-less" though? You mean so the music won't sound dated 15 years from now?:confused:
Yeah. Classical scores tend to be more timeless than electronic and pop scores, and therefore are not pinned to an "era". Star Wars, Psycho, Jaws and the like are as fresh today as they were 30 and 40 years ago, compared to, say the Queen soundtrack of Flash Gordon. In the case of Vangelis, though and probably the Kronos Quartet, they infuse enough of a classicist mentality that their soundtracks age well.
Neto Magnus
11-30-2005, 03:09 PM
Vangelis??? I thought I was the only one who listens to his albums. In fact, they used some of his Mythodea score for the X2 trailers.
In X1, there was some splashes of electronica. I wouldn't mind that for X3.
I was talking with bosef the other day and he mentioned Don Davis (composer from THE MATRIX films). I think he'd be an excellent choice. He could definitely create some memorable dark themes, particularly for Magneto, that could at last mirror Ottman's work or even eclipse it.
Electrix
11-30-2005, 03:29 PM
I like Don Davis and his music a lot...
bosef982
11-30-2005, 11:40 PM
**in my best South Park Timmy voice***
DON DAVIS!!!!
xwolverine2
01-28-2006, 09:21 AM
is it suppose to take this long to know the composer.....
i mean common...we know just about every cameo now AND have seen pics of all of them AND we have a trailer!
crawler
01-28-2006, 09:27 AM
hey xwolverine2 (what's goin on?)
it was posted back in Decemeber that John Powell would compose
http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/article.asp?ID=588&newsmonth=1/12/2005
hope that helps
take it easy
xwolverine2
01-28-2006, 09:38 AM
i thought it was a rumor......cool then
Lightning Strykez!
01-29-2006, 10:25 PM
Nope, he's on board. I'm looking forward to hearing what he's come up with for this film.
xwolverine2
01-29-2006, 10:29 PM
yay i love this thread......
cookiva
01-29-2006, 11:04 PM
Nope, he's on board. I'm looking forward to hearing what he's come up with for this film.
As am I. Its probably going to sound amazing...
bosef982
02-14-2006, 02:22 AM
I don't know about anyone else, but I find the score to a movie about as important as the movie itself. It can conjure feeling and embody many emotions that are playing on screen. I couldn't find the other thread, about music, so I made this one, and I'm wondering if we can have a bit mroe in depth conversation concerning what'd we like to see or not see in X3.
John Powell is a very accomplished composer, working with Hans Zimmer, one of the most respected composers out there right now. He'll be taking over for John Ottman, who I feel between F4 and X2 is beginning to produce some of his best work, a unique blend of traditional and jarring blends that seem to work.
Now, I for one hope they continue some of Ottman's motifs from X2, but at the same time, some of Ottman's theme's were very cold. Jean Grey's theme is very warm, but needed a softer feel -- it was very chilling still. And in X3, I think we're going to need three themes for Jean: Dark Phoenix, Phoenix, and just Jean, sister of the X-Men. But then, Ottman's themes for the Lady Deathstryke fight are amazing IMO.
So, I'm wondering what Powell can bring. Even though it'd be a bit jarring in style, I'd almost like something like his Bourne soundtracks, with a tad less "techno," but nevertheless, Powell knows how to make kinetic songs. Just download or find tracks such as Moscow Wind Up, Bim Bam Smash, The Apartment, Berlin Foot Chase to see what he's capable of. Also, for softer music, check "Goa" and "Atonement" -- you'll notice again what he can do.
I think Powell could bring great things to X3, but I'm wondering what people would like to see thematically and action wise. More violins, choirs, or what not? Also, if you do go searching for Powell's music, by whatever means one uses in a proper format, find "On Bridge Number 9" from the Bourne Idenity soundtrack. It has a cue near the end, after brief pause, that sounds spectacular if applied to the Brotherhood theme.
Advanced Dark
02-14-2006, 02:26 AM
I think a bad score can ruin a scene surely. Remember Fantastic Four...the 1st action sequence on the bridge. WTF kind of crappy score was that...not to mention the horrible editing of that scene. I'm sure the A-Team is behind X3 on all ends.
bosef982
02-14-2006, 02:27 AM
I think a bad score can ruin a scene surely. Remember Fantastic Four...the 1st action sequence on the bridge. WTF kind of crappy score was that...not to mention the horrible editing of that scene. I'm sure the A-Team is behind X3 on all ends.
For anyone judging Ottman's score by the film, I'd suggest you actually pick up his actual Fantastic Four score. It's actually quite amazing. They butchered his score for the film. They also had him composing music for scenes he'd never seen.
TNC9852002
02-14-2006, 02:35 AM
Yeah,..I enjoyed the score for F4...It was very reminiscent of the old Fantastic Four cartoons from the 70's...I thought it suited the overall tone very well..
-TNC
Octoberist
02-14-2006, 02:41 AM
The issue with the Fantastic Four's score was the theme (or lack of). It's so generic. Honestly, Spider-Man and Batman Begins' themes aren't hummable but they grow on you. But sadly, FF's theme isn't like that; it's bland like the movie (OUCH TO THE X-TREME)
Nell2ThaIzzay
02-14-2006, 02:44 AM
Well I couldn't tell you exactly what I'd like to see, except consistancy.
Obviously, this movie is going to have a different tone than the other 2, so the score of this film should be individual as well (as X-Men and X2 both were individual) but also consistant.
It was only for a short time, and (hopefully) only for the announcement teaser trailer, but I must admit, I was a little disappointed with the bass-heavy Hip Hop sounding beat used at the beginning of the X-Men 3 teaser (and this is coming from a fan of Hip Hop music and heavy bass) I like that the X-Men movies don't feel like pop culture statements with produced pop music / Hip Hop beats playing in the background of the fight sequences. I like that the ending credits roll to the musical theme of the movie, not to Dashboard Confessional, unlike another superhero franchise that I won't name...
(And again, I even like that song by Dashboard, even though I don't particularly like them)
All 3 movies will have had different composers by the time all is said and done. The first 2 movies have very consistant, yet individual, scores. To be honest, until I came on these forums, I didn't know they were scored by different people...
So I'd like to see individuality, however I also want to see consistancy. No blatant changes in terms of the score. No bass heavy Hip Hop. No pop stars singing to the end credits. But let Powell do his own thing.
Neto Magnus
02-14-2006, 03:11 AM
well thank the lord that there will be no Celine Dioning going on.
I LOVED that bass beat in the teaser. I listen to it every morning at work. But that was just for the trailers.
but, X-Men has always been 'futuristic' therefore having some kind of electronica sound like in the video games and cartoons. Even Kamen added some of it to the X1 score which perfectly defined the movies. I also kinda liked Ottman's score which was more dramatic because of a more dramatic movie. I hope Powell evolves the score and makes it more epic. It's not really all about themes, you have to look at teh whole scope of the movie.
AVEITWITHJAMON
02-14-2006, 05:16 AM
Well i loved Ottmans score, so i'd like some of it to be included in the movie but i think we will gat a whole new score.
Super Flight
02-14-2006, 07:26 AM
Thank you for making this threed! i was about to make one mayself if no one was going to soon, and yes it is important. As geoge lucas says 70% of a great movie experiance is through Music and Sound. :up: :up:
Rondador
02-14-2006, 07:29 AM
I was a little disappointed with the bass-heavy Hip Hop sounding beat used at the beginning of the X-Men 3 teaser (and this is coming from a fan of Hip Hop music and heavy bass) I like that the X-Men movies don't feel like pop culture statements with produced pop music / Hip Hop beats playing in the background of the fight sequences.
The X-Men 1 trailers were "scored" with breakbeat/dance music, and finally the movie had a awesome score by Michael Kamen (RIP). I think X3 trailer/movie score could be the same case that X1 (I hope). ^^
http://www.iespana.es/barbacoistas/bamf.gif
PS: My English is not very good ^^0
AVEITWITHJAMON
02-14-2006, 07:36 AM
I think we will get a new score, but i just hope it is epic!
CapBeerCino
02-14-2006, 07:56 AM
The issue with the Fantastic Four's score was the theme (or lack of). It's so generic. Honestly, Spider-Man and Batman Begins' themes aren't hummable but they grow on you. But sadly, FF's theme isn't like that; it's bland like the movie (OUCH TO THE X-TREME)
I agree on BB but I think Danny Elfman did great job on Spiderman.
Super Flight
02-14-2006, 12:54 PM
I really like when they add choirs into the music, it always seems to make the movie more dramatic and i like that
Super Flight
02-14-2006, 01:07 PM
I think we will get a new score, but i just hope it is epic!
Yes, i'm very sure it will not be the same as x2's theme, since one x2 didnt re-use the x1's theme, and 2 its a didferent composer who'd prolly make some new tune of his own which i cant wait to here!
X-men is not like spider-man nor of the first batman movies where they re-used the same theme, x-men seems to change the music a lot which i like :up:
Kazaire
02-14-2006, 01:32 PM
I was pleased with the music from X2, I'm sure he'll do a wonderful job bringing in the darker and more desperate tone of X3.
Super Flight
02-14-2006, 01:35 PM
I cant remeber listiening to any of john powells music, so i guess i have to leave it all to faith and hope that its going to be amazing, so i'm gonna be looking up his music and try and listen to some of it.
X-Maniac
02-14-2006, 05:18 PM
I wonder if Mark Snow would have done a good job. His score for the closing credits of Smallville is wonderful. Hans Zimmer does great music, especially when Lisa Gerrard adds in her haunting vocals (as in Gladiator).
cookiva
02-14-2006, 05:21 PM
It was only for a short time, and (hopefully) only for the announcement teaser trailer, but I must admit, I was a little disappointed with the bass-heavy Hip Hop sounding beat used at the beginning of the X-Men 3 teaser
X1 had similar music in its trailers...
X2, if I remember correctly, had one trailer with a similar beat as well.
You want consistancy, you got it...
Lazlo Panaflex
02-14-2006, 06:26 PM
I have the soundtrack to Face/Off which was scored by John Powell, it's good but it's the only movie of his I've see with his music.
I'm sure he'll do a bang up job.
rashad
02-14-2006, 07:13 PM
Well I couldn't tell you exactly what I'd like to see, except consistancy.
Obviously, this movie is going to have a different tone than the other 2, so the score of this film should be individual as well (as X-Men and X2 both were individual) but also consistant.
It was only for a short time, and (hopefully) only for the announcement teaser trailer, but I must admit, I was a little disappointed with the bass-heavy Hip Hop sounding beat used at the beginning of the X-Men 3 teaser (and this is coming from a fan of Hip Hop music and heavy bass) I like that the X-Men movies don't feel like pop culture statements with produced pop music / Hip Hop beats playing in the background of the fight sequences. I like that the ending credits roll to the musical theme of the movie, not to Dashboard Confessional, unlike another superhero franchise that I won't name...
(And again, I even like that song by Dashboard, even though I don't particularly like them)
All 3 movies will have had different composers by the time all is said and done. The first 2 movies have very consistant, yet individual, scores. To be honest, until I came on these forums, I didn't know they were scored by different people...
So I'd like to see individuality, however I also want to see consistancy. No blatant changes in terms of the score. No bass heavy Hip Hop. No pop stars singing to the end credits. But let Powell do his own thing.
I actually like the track. The the last time I heard that track was in Blade (when he drives home after saving Karen) and Blade Trinity (just before the Feds raid his hideout) Anyway I expect the music to be on par with the previous X films.
Nell2ThaIzzay
02-14-2006, 07:14 PM
X1 had similar music in its trailers...
X2, if I remember correctly, had one trailer with a similar beat as well.
You want consistancy, you got it...
Well I don't remember those trailers music, as I don't have them on my computer to watch them 9 times an hour :)
But if that's the case, then they at least didn't use that music in the movie, so hopefully that is the case with this one too.
By your Command
02-14-2006, 07:15 PM
I listen to a lot of music from both soundtracks when i study, they help me concentrate i don't know, but since what they want for X3 it's to be the last stand, they should at least play some motiffs in the background, i for example loved "Cerebro" from X-Men it was great and it made Cerebro look bigger and more epic, it also created great dramatic effect when both the professor and Jean used it(i don't know with the rumours if cerebro is in fact appearing on X3), from X2 my favorite to remember would be the Mystique theme which plays in the background for several scenes. For the main theme of X3 , even though both themes form X-men and X2 were great, i think they should use a new one, both movies had different so it's only rational for John Powell not to pick one and start from there, but to let his creative force flow.
xwolverine2
02-14-2006, 08:18 PM
yes i agree he should be able to do new theme (even though i REALLY loved x2s theme)
usagicassidy
02-14-2006, 09:35 PM
I agree on BB but I think Danny Elfman did great job on Spiderman.
Elfman did do a good job on Spiderman and Spiderman 2 (and boy is that cello part for the theme IMPOSSIBLE!), but the problem with Elfman is that all his scores sound interchangable. It's like you could replace the Edward Scissorhands score with the Big Fish score and vise versa and it would sound okay. You could mix Corpse Bride and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory together and it wouldn't matter. X3 needs a very distinctive sound, and I hope Powell can bring that to X3.
And this may sound stupid, but as much as I think John Ottman is a great composer, and as much as the score to X2 is wonderful, X-Men had a more fitting and distinctive sound to it.
josh8
02-14-2006, 10:14 PM
when powell was first hired, i started looking him up. on the imdb boards (i know...) he has lots of fans. they all say that his scores are amazing, even when the movie is bad. they referenced amazing pieces and his unconventional style. all of this led me to believe that he'll do great.
i liked the motif of the first film, but felt it lacked grandeur, which the second had. the second flim's score however, was not very exciting, in my opinion.
so i guess what i'm saying is that i want powell to not be affraid to experiment with more sci-fi sounds like in x1 (but not going overboard) and also combine traditional scoring to give a very emotional punch.
xwolverine2
02-14-2006, 10:18 PM
i want something epic like that song "Tarawa" (perfect example!)
bosef982
02-15-2006, 12:11 AM
i want something epic like that song "Tarawa" (perfect example!)
James Newton Howard is great, his score with Hans Zimmer should've been nominated for an Oscar or Golden Globe. Its really unconventinal and evokes a variety of emotion without being too overt about ti.
Tarawa is one of my favorite pieces. It pratically makes Snow Falling on the Cedars.
cookiva
02-15-2006, 12:21 AM
Well I don't remember those trailers music, as I don't have them on my computer to watch them 9 times an hour :)
But if that's the case, then they at least didn't use that music in the movie, so hopefully that is the case with this one too.
.....are you implying that I do watch them that much? Im sorry that I remember the trailers....
Mentok
02-15-2006, 06:38 AM
The score was the only real problem I had with the first two films. It just didnt work for me. I think most of the problem was the lack of any iconic theme in the score.
TheSpyAssassin
02-15-2006, 10:04 AM
The music needs to have an epic tone or overly emotional themes......i.e Last Samurai (listen to "Spectres in the Fog")
xwolverine2
02-15-2006, 04:40 PM
The music needs to have an epic tone or overly emotional themes......i.e Last Samurai (listen to "Spectres in the Fog")
yes that song was great...
xwolverine2
02-15-2006, 04:52 PM
and to anyone with doubt about john ottmans X2 score this should refresh your memory:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OD88GEHH
xwolverine2
02-18-2006, 12:05 PM
from the xverse....
More Details on 'X-Men 3' Grammy Auction Emerge
Posted Saturday February 18th, 2006
eBay has updated their listing for The Grammy Foundation's X-Men: The Last Stand auction to include further details:
"The winner of this package will go behind-the-scenes at Fox Studios to attend a scoring session for the summer blockbuster X-Men 3 on Fox’s world-famous Newman Scoring Stage. During this once-in-a-lifetime VIP experience, the winner and their guest(s) will meet the composer John Powell and will enjoy a private tour of the Fox lot and lunch at the commissary. Place your bid now on this extraordinary opportunity."
The trip to see the scoring session will take place sometime between March and May, with the final date yet to be settled. There is little over 1 and a half days left to make your bid, so don't miss out on this opportunity - act now!
this must mean that they are scoring VERY soon!!!!!:up:
Electrix
02-18-2006, 12:09 PM
Yey!
I want to hear previews!
Retroman
02-18-2006, 12:29 PM
Cool. I hope Powell brings over some of the Ottman and the Michael Kame themes with a touch of his own style.
xwolverine2
02-18-2006, 12:50 PM
Yey!
I want to hear previews!
yes! me too........
95 days left!!!!!
xwolverine2
03-18-2006, 03:13 PM
OMG! JOHN POWELL IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!:eek:
the music in the jean/wolverine clip(i wish i never saw it) was excellent!..:up: :up: :up:
....any one else thinks this might be the best score yet!!???
Electrix
03-18-2006, 03:14 PM
Where can I see the clip?
xwolverine2
03-18-2006, 03:20 PM
i the showest thread....
but i dont think you want to spoil the movie do you?
ALSO..in the rogue/wolvie scene the music is SOOOOOOOOO GOOD!!
theres a sort of one person female choir going on their...BRILLIANT!
Spidey 2007
03-18-2006, 03:21 PM
OMG! JOHN POWELL IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!:eek:
the music in the jean/wolverine clip(i wish i never saw it) was excellent!..
....any one else thinks this might be the best score yet!!???
uMMM HELL-O what made it so great? was it better then the rouge/logan theme from X1?
did you get to hear any parts of the MAIN theme at all in those clips? (do i really want to watch them haha)
:up: :up: thanks for the good words...a great score is one of the most important things, and i def. trust you on this :up:
xwolverine2
03-18-2006, 03:25 PM
uMMM HELL-O what made it so great? was it better then the rouge/logan theme from X1?
did you get to hear any parts of the MAIN theme at all in those clips? (do i really want to watch them haha)
:up: :up: thanks for the good words...a great score is one of the most important things, and i def. trust you on this :up:
well. as for the rogue theme ...its no longer "a love theme" between them....its very sad/gothicy/tragedy.........and yes I like it better than the X1 one...
And no...you dont hear the main theme...but the pheonix music was pretty creepy...
and you can tell its really john powell because you notice how theres still his signature drums in the music:up:
Spidey 2007
03-18-2006, 03:33 PM
well. as for the rogue theme ...its no longer "a love theme" between them....its very sad/gothicy/tragedy.........and yes I like it better than the X1 one...
And no...you dont hear the main theme...but the pheonix music was pretty creepy...
and you can tell its really john powell because you notice how theres still his signature drums in the music:up:
graeat great awesome awesome......does it sound anything similar to X2? at all? :up: :up: :up:
xwolverine2
03-18-2006, 03:36 PM
graeat great awesome awesome......does it sound anything similar to X2? at all? :up: :up: :up:
NO...........ITS WAAAAAAAY different!:eek:
i seriously CAN NOT WAIT to see how the main theme sounds!
*pees himself*
Spidey 2007
03-18-2006, 03:44 PM
NO...........ITS WAAAAAAAY different!:eek:
i seriously CAN NOT WAIT to see how the main theme sounds!
*pees himself*
CRAPOLA...well it better be as good as you say because x2 is hard to beat :) :up:
xwolverine2
03-18-2006, 03:48 PM
CRAPOLA...well it better be as good as you say because x2 is hard to beat :) :up:
......not anymore.:)
so i guess this means there almost done scoring:)
xwolverine2
03-18-2006, 08:30 PM
bump.....
anyone else think the music was superb!??
Aiden
03-18-2006, 08:33 PM
I did. I thought it was wonderful and suited the scenes perfectly
xwolverine2
03-18-2006, 08:43 PM
I did. I thought it was wonderful and suited the scenes perfectly
did you like itr better than x1 and/or x2?
Spidey 2007
03-18-2006, 09:50 PM
bump.....
anyone else think the music was superb!??
well it surely didnt have the effect on me as it had on you... IMO the logan rouge scene doesnt beat out the X1 music at all, but i really need to hear some samples.....we can keep checking john powels website if he has one, i think john ottman posted samples of F4 early on, maybe next month we can get a taste..... but the clips quality wasnt that good so i couldnt judge by just those clips :)
but hopefully it realy kicks ass, the main theme is the most important of course and we've yet to hear it :up:
also im not the choir/big "drum" beats kinda Guy, i like the soft unchiory stuff, but i have listened to powells previous work on boune and faceoff, and something else, and ive liked it a good bit...so hopefully he can realize that hes working on a superhero film, then we shuld be really good to go...i ahve confidence! mroe confidence in him then i did ratner i guess tee hee
bosef982
03-18-2006, 10:43 PM
I couldn't really hear anything
xwolverine2
03-18-2006, 10:46 PM
I couldn't really hear anything
:confused: am i the only one that paid attention???:(
Spidey 2007
03-18-2006, 10:47 PM
:confused: am i the only one that paid attention???:(
no...you just have super hearing. but its all good to be a mutant in these boards...
realestmutant45
03-19-2006, 06:24 AM
I hope but highly doubt that the main theme of X2 will be the same.My favorvite out of the films so far.
All I heard were Dark Phoenix's constant pantings. Well, I could hear the score a bit. I have to say, it was great. Really went well with the scene. :up:
I need to watch it again.
FieryBalrog
03-19-2006, 07:24 AM
I hope they use all of the New Pornographers Twin Cinema as the soundtrack. It wouldnt go with the movie at all, but damn its a good album. :D
New Pornographers
Weird name of a band.
X Patrol
03-19-2006, 08:15 AM
I'd be happy if they used Lisa Gerrard's voice for the score. I'm a fan of hers, she's so great. Her voice reminds me of ancient, magic times, and is melancholic and misteryous at the same time. She was the one singing in the Gladiator soundtrack and other movies as well.
Aiden
03-19-2006, 08:31 AM
did you like itr better than x1 and/or x2?
If the whole movie is scored like those scenes were, then my answer would be yes
I just turned my speakers really loud and the score was really good. It sounds better than X2 (not as better as the score in Magneto reversing Dark Cerebro and Pyro breath-taking scene at the Drakes, though, but I'm pretty confident the rest of the score will be). I just loved the music in Jean/Logan scene. Perfecto. :eek:
If the whole movie is scored like those scenes were, then my answer would be yes
True that. :up:
I'm pretty sure, although I could be wrong, that this is not the score that people can hear. Reports were that John would be recording late March/early April from what I recall. This sounds like generic trailer/clip showing type music to me.
xwolverine2
03-20-2006, 03:34 PM
I'd be happy if they used Lisa Gerrard's voice for the score. I'm a fan of hers, she's so great. Her voice reminds me of ancient, magic times, and is melancholic and misteryous at the same time. She was the one singing in the Gladiator soundtrack and other movies as well.
yeah the layer cake songs were very good:up:
I'm pretty sure, although I could be wrong, that this is not the score that people can hear. Reports were that John would be recording late March/early April from what I recall. This sounds like generic trailer/clip showing type music to me.
i seriously doubt it........
ive never heard that trailer music........and ive heard MANY trailer songs
xwolverine2
03-22-2006, 12:02 AM
any idea when the score for this movie will come out?
Spidey 2007
03-22-2006, 12:14 AM
when did the samples for f4 come out? that woudld probably give us a rough idea
I bet the end of this month (april) sometime. hopefully, sooner. Music is a KEY KEY KEYYYYY factor right now especially in this film.
xwolverine2
03-22-2006, 12:26 AM
i remember hearing "battling doom" very early before the movie even came out....... so..???
Downhere
03-22-2006, 12:27 AM
hopefully, sooner. Music is a KEY KEY KEYYYYY factor right now especially in this film.
True, Music does play an important part in the film. Let's hope the score is not as boring and unmemorable as the one for X2. We need something epic.
A really powerful epic. I've heard Powell music on the Bourne films and Mr & Mrs Smith. I have faith in him. :)
TNC9852002
03-22-2006, 12:08 PM
There'll probably be a sample of the score around the time of release of the second trailer..
-TNC
^I think we should get some samples by the end of April, early May, with a soundtrack release at the very end of May. Websites usually post soundtrack samples for films (especially event films like X-Men) a few weeks before the respective film opens, so that's my estimation.
DarkDog
03-22-2006, 01:54 PM
True, Music does play an important part in the film. Let's hope the score is not as boring and unmemorable as the one for X2. We need something epic.
talking about X2 score, I'm looking for "Sneaky Mystique" and "Death Strikes Deathstryke" in mp3, anyone ??????
Slim_X
03-22-2006, 02:48 PM
True, Music does play an important part in the film. Let's hope the score is not as boring and unmemorable as the one for X2. We need something epic.
Boring and unmemorable? :eek: I thought it was great!
DarknessOfDeath
03-22-2006, 02:55 PM
I thought it was great too... especially Goodbye.mp3 :( that track gives me sniffles... -changes the current song he's listening to know to the track-
-does his cyclops impression when he rips off his glasses at the lake-
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :(
xwolverine2
03-22-2006, 03:21 PM
I thought it was great too... especially Goodbye.mp3 :( that track gives me sniffles... -changes the current song he's listening to know to the track-
-does his cyclops impression when he rips off his glasses at the lake-
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :(
i hope the music is awesome in that scene!...:up:
I thought the X2 score was way better than the X1.
PWN3R
03-22-2006, 03:42 PM
i seriously doubt it........
ive never heard that trailer music........and ive heard MANY trailer songs
I'm pretty sure the trailer and teaser music is not from the film's score. ;)
Is there a place where you can download the samples for X2 score?
Spidey 2007
03-22-2006, 04:33 PM
True, Music does play an important part in the film. Let's hope the score is not as boring and unmemorable as the one for X2. We need something epic.
heh, unmemorable. IMO definatly one of the most memorable, and one of my favorite thems in movie history...if x3 is ANYTHING like x2 in terms of quality.... goosebump inducing, tear jerking greatness that x2 had, it will probably be my favorite score of all time :up:
^:up:
I loved everything about it: Pyro causing chaos at the Drakes, Deathstrike climbing on Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto scene in the plastic prison and the ending.
xwolverine2
03-22-2006, 04:45 PM
I'm pretty sure the trailer and teaser music is not from the film's score. ;)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)
read a bit higher and think about what i said.....:daredevil
PWN3R
03-22-2006, 04:48 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)
read a bit higher and think about what i said.....:daredevil
O..well, yeah :O ...
So, do you guys John Powell could pull this off?
bosef982
03-22-2006, 06:31 PM
So, do you guys John Powell could pull this off?
Yea. No reason why not.
xwolverine2
03-22-2006, 06:34 PM
So, do you guys John Powell could pull this off?
i have no doubt in my mind he will:up: !
mclay18
04-10-2006, 02:51 PM
From Varese Sarabande:
X-MEN: THE LAST STAND
Original Motion Picture Soundtrack
Music Composed by John Powell
Hugh Jackman
Patrick Stewart
Ian McKellen
Famke Janssen
Halle Berry
James Marsden
Anna Paquin
Rebecca Romijn
Shawn Ashmore
In X-MEN: THE LAST STAND, the final chapter in the X-MEN motion picture trilogy, a “cure” for mutancy threatens to alter the course of history. For the first time, mutants have a choice: retain their uniqueness, though it isolates them, or give up their powers and become human. The opposing viewpoints of mutant leaders Charles Xavier, who preaches tolerance, and Magneto, who believes in the survival of the fittest, are put to the ultimate test — triggering the war to end all wars.
The 20th Century Fox summer blockbuster features a thrilling and epic symphonic score by composer John Powell. Powell, one of the most exciting names in film music today, is a newcomer to the X-MEN franchise but his scores for such hits as The Bourne Identity, The Bourne Supremacy and The Italian Job make his score for X-MEN: THE LAST STAND among the most anticipated of the entire summer!
From Brett Ratner, the director of Rush Hour and Rush Hour 2, 20th Century Fox’s X-MEN: THE LAST STAND opens nationwide on Memorial Day weekend, May 26.
Catalog #: 302 066 732 2
Release Date: 05/23/06
Just thought you guys ought to know... can't wait to hear it. John Powell has yet to dissapoint any of his recent works, like Robots and Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
Aiden
04-10-2006, 02:52 PM
Nice find
xwolverine2
04-10-2006, 02:53 PM
5/23.........im There!
snwboarder88
04-10-2006, 02:53 PM
so when will we hear it?
Aiden
04-10-2006, 02:54 PM
23/5
WritersBlock89
04-10-2006, 02:58 PM
Did he do the other X-Men movies?
xwolverine2
04-10-2006, 02:59 PM
so when will we hear it?
as soon as it comes out.....
CANT WAIT!!
mclay18
04-10-2006, 02:59 PM
so when will we hear it?
We'll probably get to hear soundclips of the score probably a week before the album comes out. Possibly sooner.
Aiden
04-10-2006, 02:59 PM
No.
xwolverine2
04-10-2006, 03:00 PM
doesnt wallmart.com or something always have clips of the scores?
xwolverine2
04-10-2006, 03:01 PM
No.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
WHAT!?
PWN3R
04-10-2006, 03:01 PM
I can't wait for this.
Aiden
04-10-2006, 03:02 PM
Someone asked whether John had scored X1/X2, I said "no"
PWN3R
04-10-2006, 03:02 PM
doesnt wallmart.com or something always have clips of the scores?
Yeah, alot of sites do, amazon as well. I am pretty sure we will hear clips before the movie...
Avalanche
04-10-2006, 03:03 PM
I wonder whether the track names will give insights, like with Star Wars?
Aiden
04-10-2006, 03:04 PM
*prays for track called "Cyclops Returns"*
xwolverine2
04-10-2006, 03:07 PM
I wonder whether the track names will give insights, like with Star Wars?
OMFG!..i hope not!....episode1 ruined the movie "QUIGON DIES"
*prays for track called "Cyclops Returns"*
ROTFLMFAO!.....although if its there i hope it sounds heroic!
Yeah, alot of sites do, amazon as well. I am pretty sure we will hear clips before the movie...
i remember hearing FF "battling doom" track on there before it came out.:up: :)
mclay18
04-10-2006, 03:07 PM
Did he do the other X-Men movies?
I'll provide a better answer than what Aiden posted. No, Powell did not score the previous two films. Michael Kamen scored the first film and John Ottman scored the second one. This is Powell's most prolific film he's done (and the first superhero film, I believe).
Even though the first two scores weren't that memorable, I'd like to see Powell reintroduce at least a couple of themes Kamen and Ottman established in the first two films.
PWN3R
04-10-2006, 03:09 PM
The Colossal Battle....yeah that should be a track name for sure. ;)
xwolverine2
04-10-2006, 03:10 PM
The Colossal Battle....yeah that should be a track name for sure. ;)
:rolleyes:
"suburbian storm"
"juggs luggs get stuck"
"Multiple clawings"
"magnetos bridge"
"duel of the ********"
Avalanche
04-10-2006, 03:15 PM
"Attack of the Sentinels"
"The Cure"
"Rise of the Phoenix"
"Storm"
"Cyclops Explodes"
:p
PWN3R
04-10-2006, 03:17 PM
*feels like xw2 always feels, runs away*
xwolverine2
04-10-2006, 03:18 PM
*feels like xw2 always feels, runs away*
lol..NNNNNNNOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo
Aiden
04-10-2006, 03:19 PM
I'll provide a better answer than what Aiden posted. No, Powell did not score the previous two films. Michael Kamen scored the first film and John Ottman scored the second one. This is Powell's most prolific film he's done (and the first superhero film, I believe).
Even though the first two scores weren't that memorable, I'd like to see Powell reintroduce at least a couple of themes Kamen and Ottman established in the first two films.He's done the Shrek and Bourne films as well
Retroman
04-10-2006, 03:46 PM
http://www.varesesarabande.com/upcoming.asp
Nice find.:up: I'm eager to know what Powell has come up with. I hope he keeps some of the themes from the first two movies.
Electrix
04-10-2006, 06:23 PM
I want previews!
X Patrol
04-10-2006, 06:37 PM
Does somebody know the title of the track scoring the second tv trailer? Thanx a lot.
Awesome. Can't wait. Unfortunately I might (no, I will) purchase the soundtrack before the film opens and listen to the score a million times before watching the film, which will definitely alter my excitment and anticipation upon seeing the actual film and hearing the score alongside it.
I know, I know...I could resist, but temptation is too great! :D
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 10:51 AM
I want previews!
hopefully at the start of may......:O
Paste Pot Pete
04-11-2006, 11:09 AM
I really wish they'd keep some of the themes from the first 2, specifically X2. But I doubt they will; 3 movies, 3 different scores.
I'd at least like to here the Phoenix cues; and it'd be amazing to hear "Rogue & Logan" from X1.
Release Date: 05/23/06
It better come online. :o
Neto Magnus
04-11-2006, 11:14 AM
Buy the CD. You kids do remember those shiney round discs that plays music right?
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 11:14 AM
I really wish they'd keep some of the themes from the first 2, specifically X2. But I doubt they will; 3 movies, 3 different scores.
I'd at least like to here the Phoenix cues; and it'd be amazing to hear "Rogue & Logan" from X1.
i want a longer theme.....the X2 was incredibly awesome..but i wanted more of it:(
hopefully john powell takes it TO THE MAX!:up: :)
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 11:15 AM
Buy the CD. You kids do remember those shiney round discs that plays music right?
hehehe...LOL!..
but we mean samples BEFORE it comes on sale..:up: :)
Neto Magnus
04-11-2006, 11:26 AM
hehehe...LOL!..
but we mean samples BEFORE it comes on sale..:up: :)
is that what you call 'torrents' nowadays?:D
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 12:09 PM
is that what you call 'torrents' nowadays?:D
^
i dont even know what they are or how to use them...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrent
;)
Anyway, should we come up with the track names while we wait? Just for fun, I guess. :)
Aiden
04-11-2006, 02:03 PM
DISC ONE
*1* Jean Grey
*2* Hanks Dash
*3* Memorial Day
*4* Danger Room
*5* Phoenix Rising
*6* Jean Discovered
*7* Juggernaut and Jamie Madrox
*8* Morlocks
*9* Lab Chase
*10*Brother V Brother
^Subtle, but very good. ;) I want the track names now. :ghost:
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 02:54 PM
DISC ONE
*1* Jean Grey
*2* Hanks Dash
*3* Memorial Day
*4* Danger Room
*5* Phoenix Rising
*6* Jean Discovered
*7* Juggernaut and Jamie Madrox
*8* Morlocks
*9* Lab Chase
*10*Brother V Brother
*11* END CREDITS
*0* main titles
:o
I'm expecting...erm...at least 20 tracks. :up:
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 03:11 PM
I'm expecting...erm...at least 20 tracks. :
each one lasting 6min......
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
PWN3R
04-11-2006, 03:14 PM
each one lasting 6min......
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
rofl
each one lasting 6min......
:D :D :D :D :D 10 minutes. :o:p
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 04:00 PM
10 minutes. :o:p
:eek: ...LMAO!!
3hrs and 20min movie!?!?!?!:eek:
TNC9852002
04-11-2006, 04:11 PM
I hope we'll hear a sample by the end of next week!..
-TNC
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 04:13 PM
Oh, how I wish. ;)
:eek: .......
:up: :D
I hope we'll hear a sample by the end of next week!..
-TNC
Yeah.
We've been getting new stuff every day, from what I'm seeing.
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 04:18 PM
Yeah.
We've been getting new stuff every day, from what I'm seeing.
but non-music new stuff:( :(
I'd rather take pics over music anyday. ;)
xwolverine2
04-11-2006, 07:55 PM
I'd rather take pics over music anyday. ;)
^
well...dont you think we have had enough pics for right now...its time for the score...bring it!
xwolverine2
04-18-2006, 07:53 PM
we didnt get a sample score on the website!
:( :( :( :( :( :( :(
PWN3R
04-18-2006, 08:51 PM
Yeah, I thought for sure we would...:(
Hopefully it will come in an update maybe???
xwolverine2
04-18-2006, 08:58 PM
Yeah, I thought for sure we would...:(
Hopefully it will come in an update maybe???
:( ...maybe
xwolverine2
04-27-2006, 08:42 PM
its practically May and we still dont even have the cover for the soundtrack:(
On May 11th, I'm pretty sure we'll here parts of the score during the 7 minute preview. . .
:eek:
xwolverine2
04-27-2006, 08:52 PM
On May 11th, I'm pretty sure we'll here parts of the score during the 7 minute preview. . .
:eek: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :eek:
..................I THOUGHT THEY CANCELLED THAT!...????
xwolverine2
04-27-2006, 08:57 PM
:confused:
no?.....i thought they did:confused:
*marks callender again*
Don't know who told you that, but they should be ignored from now on. . .
xwolverine2
04-27-2006, 09:33 PM
Don't know who told you that, but they should be ignored from now on. . .
THEY WILL BE!:o :o :mad:
eXperiment
04-27-2006, 10:21 PM
Good night everyone. Talk to ya tomorrow.
imaperson2
04-27-2006, 10:41 PM
THEY WILL BE!:o :o :mad:
we told you that kinberg had mistaken it for that day. we never told you that it was cancelled.
PLEASE DONT KILL ME!!!
Wolvieboy17
04-28-2006, 08:29 AM
Hey, does anyone know what the music is that is played during the second X-men 3: The Last Stand trailer? I managed to find the songs used in the teaser ( the teaser contains two songs, the crappy hip hop one at the beginning and the orchestrated/choral one for the second half.) I need something to listen to until the soundtrack comes out! i cant wait lol!
:wolverine :xmen: :wolverine :xmen: :wolverine :xmen: :wolverine
Electrix
04-28-2006, 08:30 AM
Immediate Music - Rising Empire
DarknessOfDeath
04-28-2006, 08:35 AM
I keep listening to that. Its so awsome and epic. I'd hit it!... sometimes when I listen to it, I get images from X2 when Jean walks outside of the jet to when she dies... :eek:SO EPIC and Emotional. :(
Wolvieboy17
04-28-2006, 11:56 AM
Hey thanks... yeah, it is an awesome piece of music... When listening to Rising Empire and thunder gods its hard to ignore the roman, gladiator style feel to it... its kinda odd to mix that with x-men lol. I cant wait to hear the music... John Ottman was great but i think John Powell is going to be so much more epic... When you compare his music in shrek and ice age to bourne identity and the Italian Job you can see he knows exactly what type of music is appropriate for each particular film genre... he will make x3 every bit as epic, emotional and breathtakingly fantastic as it deserves to be... Good on him!
:xmen: :wolverine :xmen: :wolverine :xmen: :wolverine
gap5ewl
04-28-2006, 12:25 PM
i love rising empire i always listen to it, i cant wait for this soudtrack to come out
Rising Empire? I'll have to get that song.
*opens Ares*
xwolverine2
04-28-2006, 07:20 PM
i hope the final battle has the best music ive ever heard in my life....
By your Command
04-28-2006, 07:41 PM
When are we gonna hear at least snipets of this? or listen to John Powell saying anything? i mean Superman Returns it's in June and John Ottman is practically humming the score over the net.
xwolverine2
04-28-2006, 07:45 PM
When are we gonna hear at least snipets of this? or listen to John Powell saying anything? i mean Superman Returns it's in June and John Ottman is practically humming the score over the net.
EXACTLY!.... that stupid podcast came out for john ottman
when are we getting OUR podcast!:(
Slim_X
04-28-2006, 07:48 PM
Today I watched Ice Age 2 for the second time and for some reason I thought the music was amazing. I watched the credits and to my surprise it was John Powell the one who scored it :up: I think he'll do an incredible job with X3.
By your Command
04-28-2006, 07:56 PM
I actually was surprised too, with Ice age 2's score, also Shrek's and Mr and Mrs Smith, but it wouldn't hurt to listen to this soundtrack, cause i've heard the Cerebro track from X-Men, the main theme from X2, and the trailer music Rising empire, and i just want to hear a little bit of the main theme from X men: The Last Stand, just to be calm that this movie is gonna have the music it deserves.
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