The Official Batman Returns Thread

[snwboarder88]

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Batman Returns is such a amazing movie...I have always liked it but after watching it last night I am sure its my favorite Batman movie...

I love the way Tim Burton made Batman, so gothic and dark, but at the same time funny and visually stunning.

The chemistry between Selina and Bruce are amazing and I think that Catwomen is really underated in this movie, or in the Batman franchise as a whole...maybe because of the Catwomen movie disaster. Michelle did a amazing job bringing Catwomen to life, she is one of my favorite things about this movie, and also Penguin. the way Tim Burton created him was scary because it was so real. Danny Devto did a great job as well and had some funny lines through out the entire film (I want to fill her void!).

Christopher Walken did a great job aswell...great cast!

Even down to Gotham city...it was amazing. I love the way it snows over Gotham it gives it a very eire but beatiful look. Very Gothic and Dark like Batman should be, not a glitter and dazzle or a futuristic type town like it was in BB...

From the beginning of the movie with the haunting music of Danny Elfman to the ending with the bat signal and Catwomen this movie is truly awesome...I wish that Batman Returns and Tim Burton would get more credit...its not all about BB.

So this is the Official Batman Returns thread! From your favorite moments, to quotes, to your favorite pictures, this is everything Batman Returns.

[The Chairman]

Batman Returns will forever remain the greatest Batman movie (with B89 and Batman Begins not far behind). The cast was perfectly chosen (Devito was an obvious choice from the get - go, but Pfeiffer and Walken? Wow, what amazing choices). Keaton also did even better in Returns than the 1989 version, in addition to an even stronger performance he also bulked up for the role this time around. The film was even funnier this time around. Nicholson had a lot of funny moments in the first one, but DeVito's perverted proclivities to Catwoman (Just the p**sy I've been lookin' for) and Jan Hooks (I'd like to fill her void) were hysterical. And of course, Walken's immortal "Bruce Wayne, Why Are You Dressed Up As Batman?" Plus BR was a lot darker and exposed the true life of being a superhero: it's a b*tch. It really can destroy someone's life.

I can go on about how great Batman Returns was, but I'd be here all night.

[snwboarder88]

Batman Returns will forever remain the greatest Batman movie (with B89 and Batman Begins not far behind). The cast was perfectly chosen (Devito was an obvious choice from the get - go, but Pfeiffer and Walken? Wow, what amazing choices). Keaton also did even better in Returns than the 1989 version, in addition to an even stronger performance he also bulked up for the role this time around. The film was even funnier this time around. Nicholson had a lot of funny moments in the first one, but DeVito's perverted proclivities to Catwoman (Just the p**sy I've been lookin' for) and Jan Hooks (I'd like to fill her void) were hysterical. And of course, Walken's immortal "Bruce Wayne, Why Are You Dressed Up As Batman?" Plus BR was a lot darker and exposed the true life of being a superhero: it's a b*tch. It really can destroy someone's life.

I can go on about how great Batman Returns was, but I'd be here all night.

Great post...i love that part when Devito says "Just the p**sy ive been lookin for" haha, also i forgot to mention how great Keaton was as Batman second time around. He was great in the orginal but was even better in Returns...he is my favorite Batman to date.

[snwboarder88]

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[Robin91939]

MUST STAY OUT.......TAKING EVERY OUNCE TO NOT TROLL IN HERE...... :p


I'll leave you guys to your peace :up: , even though most of you crapped up my "Bale Page".

-R

[snwboarder88]

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[snwboarder88]

Selina Kyle: It's gonna be a hot time in a cold town tonight.
Bruce Wayne: You've got sort of a dark side, don't you?
Selina Kyle: No darker than yours, Bruce.


The Penguin: Ah, ****, I grabbed a cute one.
[discards umbrella]


Ice Princess: The tree lights up, I press the button... No wait, I press the button and...

Maximillian 'Max' Shreck (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000686/): And Bruce, why are you dressed up like Batman?
Catwoman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000201/): Because he *is* Batman, you moron!
Maximillian 'Max' Shreck (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000686/): Was.
[shoots Batman]

[theBat-Man]

Great post...i love that part when Devito says "Just the p**sy ive been lookin for" haha.

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[Spidey-Bat]

MUST STAY OUT.......TAKING EVERY OUNCE TO NOT TROLL IN HERE...... :p


I'll leave you guys to your peace :up: , even though most of you crapped up my "Bale Page".

-R

All I'm going to say is you're an attention whore and We crapped your thread b/c it was in the wrong place:o

BR is my favorite of the old franchise. Can't wait for the SE.

[Kevin Roegele]

Batman Returns = perfection.

The best thing about it is that it represents all the characteristics of Bruce Wayne. Gotham is Bruce Wayne's mind. The Penguin is the outcast orphan. Max Shreck is the powerful business man. And Catwoman is the angry vigilante. They all work with each other at some points, but they never all work together, and eventually they destroy each other. How dark and disturbing is that? Incredible stuff.

Just trying to think of all the coolest bits....four of the Red Triangle Circus Gang surround Batman, carrying nunchucks and a bazooka. Batman pulls out a batarang....but with an LCD screen. Presses a few buttons, then throws it....and it hits one clown in the face, then changes direction to hit another, and then another.

While Catwoman spits about breaking a nail, Batman steps onto the edge of the building and unfolds two huge glider-like wings. And then the sequence when he lands, rolls, and folds them up.

[Kevin Roegele]

"They didn't put me on a pedestal, so I'm layin' 'em on a slab!" - fantastic dialogue.

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And of course.....

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"And you're the hottest young person a role model could have."

[Sabotage8475]

Batman Returns = perfection.

The best thing about it is that it represents all the characteristics of Bruce Wayne. Gotham is Bruce Wayne's mind. The Penguin is the outcast orphan. Max Shreck is the powerful business man. And Catwoman is the angry vigilante. They all work with each other at some points, but they never all work together, and eventually they destroy each other. How dark and disturbing is that? Incredible stuff.


One of the best things the film proves, is that there's more than one way in exploring a comicbook character. Burton's Batman films also are the only comicbook films to venture into, and utilize a different cinematic vocabulary in exploring a character and it's themes - (Expressionism - the subjective depiction of emotive themes, characterized by exaggerated forms); as apposed to the more standard, simple narrative depiction of most Hollywood product.

[Kevin Roegele]

One of the best things the film proves, is that there's more than one way in exploring a comicbook character. Burton's Batman films also are the only comicbook films to venture into, and utilize a different cinematic vocabulary in exploring a character and it's themes - (Expressionism - the subjective depiction of emotive themes, characterized by exaggerated forms); as apposed to the more standard, simple narrative depiction of most Hollywood product.

Very true. What's intresting is that the 1989 movie has a strong Metropolis vibe, whereas Returns seems most influenced by The Cabinet of Dr Caligari. The shadows of the Penguin in the sewers remind me of Nosferatu climbing the stairs, but that's a shot Burton & co may have come up with any way.

Burton also uses elements of film noir in his Batman movies, but not in the nostalgia/homage/parody way of others.

[The Kid]

everytime I watch this, I'm in awe of how smoothly done it's paced and haunting the soundtrack can be.... spooky. very good movie for holloween. :up:

master freaking piece, baby.

[William15]

Batman Returns is also one of my favourite Batman movies. I love Michelle as Catwoman and the chemistry between them was fantastic. I never minded that the Penguin was portrayed as sort of a mutant, coz in the comics I never liked him. The dialogue in this movie is also great.

[snwboarder88]

everytime I watch this, I'm in awe of how smoothly done it's paced and haunting the soundtrack can be.... spooky. very good movie for holloween. :up:

master freaking piece, baby.

yea...its a great movie to just watch at night...maybe cause of the music?

[snwboarder88]

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[BatmanRules33]

wow, great pics, can you buy that rocket-penguin statue? looks awsome! great thread VTW, its really picking up well, and no SPAMMERS (though robin tried, thank goodness he didnt). i love BR, its a rare kinda movie, and it will always be the most bizarre and visually stunning batman ever! the characters are amazing, and the performances cant be better then that. pieffer is amazing as catwoman, shes stole my heart, i wont fall in love with a woman lest it be someone like her, lol. and keaton is badassss.....


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LOVE this movie.:up:

[JLBats]

wow, great pics, can you buy that rocket-penguin statue? looks awsome! great thread VTW, its really picking up well, and no SPAMMERS (though robin tried, thank goodness he didnt). i love BR, its a rare kinda movie, and it will always be the most bizarre and visually stunning batman ever! the characters are amazing, and the performances cant be better then that. pieffer is amazing as catwoman, shes stole my heart, i wont fall in love with a woman lest it be someone like her, lol. and keaton is badassss.....


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/559/03924543michellepfeiffer8vg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


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LOVE this movie.:up:

You're a troll, you know that?

[Spidey-Bat]

You're a troll, you know that?

He may be at times, but that post wasn't. If you don't have anything nice to say about BR, I suggest you fornicate yourself with a steel pipe to save us the trouble.

Back to Batman Returns.

[BatmanRules33]

He may be at times, but that post wasn't. If you don't have anything nice to say about BR, I suggest you fornicate yourself with a steel pipe to save us the trouble.

Back to Batman Returns.

thank you very much for saying that spider bat, i swear, these ppl are starting to annoy me.

anyways, i posted something interesting in the keaton thread that was very cool about BR, ill go find it, brb.

[BatmanRules33]

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when i saw this pic i thought of that awsome danny elfman music playing at the end and i had to play it on my comp while looking at this pic, LOL.:up: burtons gotham city is a masterpiece. why didnt nolan do somthin like this?

oh and heres that interesting article i found:


"In an earlier version of the script, Harvey Dent was set to appear in the movie, played by the same actor as in the first movie, Billy Dee Williams. He was going to be used in the Max Shreck role, and the scarring of his face (which would turn him into the villain Two-Face) was set to happen during the finale when Catwoman kisses him while holding onto the Penguin's generator. (This would then, in turn, set up the third movie, in which Two-Face was going to appear as the main villain.) "

hmm.......that would have been awsome if they let burton do a third!!

[JLBats]

He may be at times, but that post wasn't. If you don't have anything nice to say about BR, I suggest you fornicate yourself with a steel pipe to save us the trouble.

Back to Batman Returns.


I love Batman Returns, it's this guy's insane, nonsensical jabbering posts that get me angry enough to do that.

[theBat-Man]

I love Batman Returns, it's this guy's insane, nonsensical jabbering posts that get me angry enough to do that.

Keep it civil people. Stay on topic.

[JLBats]

Batman Returns kicked mucho ass. I loved the scene when Selina and Bruce dance and discover the truth.

[theBat-Man]

wow, great pics, can you buy that rocket-penguin statue? looks awsome! great thread VTW, its really picking up well, and no SPAMMERS (though robin tried, thank goodness he didnt). i love BR, its a rare kinda movie, and it will always be the most bizarre and visually stunning batman ever! the characters are amazing, and the performances cant be better then that. pieffer is amazing as catwoman, shes stole my heart, i wont fall in love with a woman lest it be someone like her, lol. and keaton is badassss.....

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7706/564574d8617mf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8798/missiling0ab.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8472/crash4hv.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

LOVE this movie.:up:

Great Batman Returns pictures, BatmanRules33.

[my0pic_spidey]

i simply love the opening of the movie where the batman scrolls out and the bats zero in..absolutely marvellous:up:

[snwboarder88]

Batman Returns kicked mucho ass. I loved the scene when Selina and Bruce dance and discover the truth.

Classic! i love it when catwomen asks if this means they have to start fighting...

[SHADOWBAT69]

the whole interaction scene between Bruce and Selina at the Ball is one of my faves of all time. from the moment he starts looking around for her to where she walks down the stairs, up to the revelation of their alter egos. everything was perfect.

[snwboarder88]

Goofs for
Batman Returns (1992 (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Years/1992))

Continuity: The size of the window that Cobblepot looks out of.
Revealing mistakes: Water reflections on walls during the underwater scenes are obviously lights.
Revealing mistakes: The tombstones in the graveyard wobble when touched by the Penguin's coat (although this may be deliberate).


Continuity: Catwoman's high heels become foam rubber when doing her backflips.
Continuity: Bruce Wayne puts his coat on twice after opening the secret entrance to the Batcave in the fish tank.
Revealing mistakes: When the Penguin dies and his pets slide him into the water you can see the slide-board he was laying on slip out ahead of him under water.
Continuity: When Batman reveals his true identity at the end by tearing off his mask, the eye paint disappears right before the mask is removed.
Continuity: Catwoman's high heels are missing when she jumps on the bouncing-mat in the toy store.
Revealing mistakes: When Batman makes his first dramatic entrance to fight the clowns in his Batmobile, that clearly isn't snow being churned up by the wheels of his car.
Continuity: When the Penguin makes the shadow of a bird on the ceiling, he is lying on a bed with his hands directly above his chest. So where is the light that causes the shadow?
Revealing mistakes: When the Penguin is controlling the Batmobile, a mechanical lifting arm can be seen extending from the side of the building, moving a police car that the Batmobile smashes into.
Revealing mistakes: The snow floats on water.
Revealing mistakes: When the penguin drives the Batmobile remotely, the cars it smashes are damaged just before it hits them.
Crew or equipment visible: When Batman is shot off the roof by police, a hand is visible helping him onto the floor.
Revealing mistakes: When Batman is on the roof and his cape becomes a glider, you can see that the glider is separate from his cape as his cape falls off behind him. When he floats down the glider cape once again resembles his regular cape.
Continuity: When Bruce Wayne is being driven by Alfred at the end of the movie, the same car appears in the front and rear windows at least eight times.
Continuity: When Bruce plays the CD, the Penguin's dialogue is spoken differently than when it was first recorded in the Batmobile.
Continuity: The newspaper boy trying to sell Alfred the paper changes the price from 50 to 25 cents between lines.
Revealing mistakes: During Batman's rescue of Selina from the clown hostage-taker, the outline of the piece of building exterior that Batman knocks the clown out with can clearly be seen before he yanks on the wire.
Continuity: When Selina makes her Catwoman outfit she picks up a small pair of blue handled scissors, in the next shot she has a larger pair of pink scissors
Continuity: When The Penguin is in the Hall of Records, we see him through a window and it's snowing outside. In the next shot we see the Batmobile come around the corner and it's not snowing, but in a shot of Batman from inside the Batmobile, it's snowing again.
Continuity: Selena (Catwoman) engages Batman in a rooftop fight minutes after she destroys Shrek's Department store. However, Shrek's Department store - in perfect condition - can be seen behind Batman while he is hanging from Catwoman's whip after falling over a ledge.
even the best movies got mistakes...some of these are pretty funny!

[snwboarder88]

the whole interaction scene between Bruce and Selina at the Ball is one of my faves of all time. from the moment he starts looking around for her to where she walks down the stairs, up to the revelation of their alter egos. everything was perfect.

yep..awesome scene

[snwboarder88]

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[snwboarder88]

clown gang

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[Punisher RULES]

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This is also my favorite of the Batman movies,I watch it every year on Thanksgiving,I lock myself in my room,turn off the lights settle in to a turkey dinner,and watch it. :up:

[Punisher RULES]

heh.
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[BigCityBoy]

I mentioned this on another board but my favorite scene in Batman Returns was when Batman(somehow)put that bomb on the tatooed strongman and knocked him down that manhole and he blew up. Makes me laugh every time I watch it. I never had a problem with Batman killing. Its not like he was "The Punisher" and was killing every bad guy he ran across. Batman only did it when it was absolutely necessary. These are my favorite Batman movies in order:

1.Batman Returns
2.Batman(1989)
3.Batman Begins

Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were a disgrace!

[SingItWithMeNow]

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[snwboarder88]

I mentioned this on another board but my favorite scene in Batman Returns was when Batman(somehow)put that bomb on the tatooed strongman and knocked him down that manhole and he blew up. Makes me laugh every time I watch it. I never had a problem with Batman killing. Its not like he was "The Punisher" and was killing every bad guy he ran across. Batman only did it when it was absolutely necessary. These are my favorite Batman movies in order:

1.Batman Returns
2.Batman(1989)
3.Batman Begins

Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were a disgrace!

Yea Returns is my favorite...but BF and B&R I dont take serious so now i can watch them and actually enjoy it...ha, its like a comedy.

[snwboarder88]

http://popi73.hihome.com/hol/bat2.jpg
This is also my favorite of the Batman movies,I watch it every year on Thanksgiving,I lock myself in my room,turn off the lights settle in to a turkey dinner,and watch it. :up:

Awesome poster! Yea.. i love to watch this movie late at night with all the lights off, something about it is just right...music, snow, catwomen? ha

[BatmanRules33]

Goofs for
Batman Returns (1992 (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Years/1992))

Continuity: The size of the window that Cobblepot looks out of.
Revealing mistakes: Water reflections on walls during the underwater scenes are obviously lights.
Revealing mistakes: The tombstones in the graveyard wobble when touched by the Penguin's coat (although this may be deliberate).


Continuity: Catwoman's high heels become foam rubber when doing her backflips.
Continuity: Bruce Wayne puts his coat on twice after opening the secret entrance to the Batcave in the fish tank.
Revealing mistakes: When the Penguin dies and his pets slide him into the water you can see the slide-board he was laying on slip out ahead of him under water.
Continuity: When Batman reveals his true identity at the end by tearing off his mask, the eye paint disappears right before the mask is removed.
Continuity: Catwoman's high heels are missing when she jumps on the bouncing-mat in the toy store.
Revealing mistakes: When Batman makes his first dramatic entrance to fight the clowns in his Batmobile, that clearly isn't snow being churned up by the wheels of his car.
Continuity: When the Penguin makes the shadow of a bird on the ceiling, he is lying on a bed with his hands directly above his chest. So where is the light that causes the shadow?
Revealing mistakes: When the Penguin is controlling the Batmobile, a mechanical lifting arm can be seen extending from the side of the building, moving a police car that the Batmobile smashes into.
Revealing mistakes: The snow floats on water.
Revealing mistakes: When the penguin drives the Batmobile remotely, the cars it smashes are damaged just before it hits them.
Crew or equipment visible: When Batman is shot off the roof by police, a hand is visible helping him onto the floor.
Revealing mistakes: When Batman is on the roof and his cape becomes a glider, you can see that the glider is separate from his cape as his cape falls off behind him. When he floats down the glider cape once again resembles his regular cape.
Continuity: When Bruce Wayne is being driven by Alfred at the end of the movie, the same car appears in the front and rear windows at least eight times.
Continuity: When Bruce plays the CD, the Penguin's dialogue is spoken differently than when it was first recorded in the Batmobile.
Continuity: The newspaper boy trying to sell Alfred the paper changes the price from 50 to 25 cents between lines.
Revealing mistakes: During Batman's rescue of Selina from the clown hostage-taker, the outline of the piece of building exterior that Batman knocks the clown out with can clearly be seen before he yanks on the wire.
Continuity: When Selina makes her Catwoman outfit she picks up a small pair of blue handled scissors, in the next shot she has a larger pair of pink scissors
Continuity: When The Penguin is in the Hall of Records, we see him through a window and it's snowing outside. In the next shot we see the Batmobile come around the corner and it's not snowing, but in a shot of Batman from inside the Batmobile, it's snowing again.
Continuity: Selena (Catwoman) engages Batman in a rooftop fight minutes after she destroys Shrek's Department store. However, Shrek's Department store - in perfect condition - can be seen behind Batman while he is hanging from Catwoman's whip after falling over a ledge.
even the best movies got mistakes...some of these are pretty funny!

was this REALLY neccasary?

funny though.

[JLBats]

was this REALLY neccasary?

funny though.

Isn't this the Batman Returns thread?

We can post whatever we want pertaining to Batman Returns.

[Keyser Sushi]

I liked Batman Returns when it was first out but as I've gotten older I've noticed so many things about it that are... suspect.

How did the Penguin get the plans to the Batmobile? What the hell was the deal with that Penguin army? I'm sorry, that was ridiculous. The "Bat-missle" bugged me, too.

I loved the ski-boat, though, and Michelle Pfieffer was terriffic as Catwoman. Although the thing about having "nine lives" was kind of awful. And where did she get all her badassitude from after falling off a roof? I can understand that it would change her personality, but where'd she get all those SKILLS? It takes more than self-confidence to be able to flip around like the "nimble little minx" that she is. :)

She was great, though. Really really great. She was the definition of sexy, I think. I think in the dictionary it says, "sex-y, (secks-ee), adj, 1.Michelle Pfieffer in 'Batman Returns', (1992)."

As well it should.

As always Keaton gave a great performance, but had precious little to do. I think a movie about Bruce and Selena (and their alter egos) alone would have been a great movie. It didn't really need Pengy or Walken in it, and I think the presence of so many major characters, while making for interesting interactions, really didn't give any of the characters the time they deserved onscreen.

And I really do wish that Billy Dee Williams had been on hand. I missed Harvey Dent in BR, and Billy Dee would have been a MUCH better Two-Face than Tommy Lee Jones in BF. Hands down.

Anyway, I have to put "Batman Returns" farther down the list than most of you do. I like it, but I don't think it's great by a long shot. It's only better than "Forever" because it takes itself seriously where Forever didn't. "Returns" is more fun than BATMAN '89, but B'89 is much, MUCH better than Returns, if only because B'89 at least makes sense.

[snwboarder88]

was this REALLY neccasary?

funny though.

well this is the "offcial batman returns thread" so yeah...

[snwboarder88]

I know that there is a 2 disc version of BR coming out with the 4 disc set...but will you be able to buy the 2 disc version of BR by itself? or would you have to buy the entire set. Also is there any talk about a BR directors cut?

[JP]

I must agree. BR was indeed my favorite Batman movie. With Begins coming in second.

[SHADOWBAT69]

I know that there is a 2 disc version of BR coming out with the 4 disc set...but will you be able to buy the 2 disc version of BR by itself? or would you have to buy the entire set. Also is there any talk about a BR directors cut?


yes, they will be sold in the set and individualy. i dont think there is going to be a BR directors cut because there were only afew minor moments cut in editing. so theres nothing to really add.

[snwboarder88]

yes, they will be sold in the set and individualy. i dont think there is going to be a BR directors cut because there were only afew minor moments cut in editing. so theres nothing to really add.

awesome..thanks, looking forward to that 2disc DVD!

[snwboarder88]

BATMAN RETURNS
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Batman Returns: Two-Disc Special Edition
Digitally Remastered Anamorphic Widescreen Transfer- Approx. 126m
English Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Track- Approx. 126m
English DTS 5.1 Surround Track- Approx. 126m
Audio Commentary with Director Tim Burton- Approx. 126m
The Bat, The Cat and The Penguin Cast Recollections- 22m 37s
Shadows of the Bat: The Cinematic Saga of the Dark Knight Part 4
- The Dark Side of the Dark Knight- ?
Beyond Batman Documentary Gallery featuring:
- Gotham City Revisited: The Production Design of Batman Returns- 11m 23s
- Sleek, Sexy and Sinister: The Costumes of Batman Returns- 13m 27s
- Making Up the Penguin- 8m 12s
- Assembling the Arctic Army- 9m 30s
- Bats, Mattes and Dark Nights: The Visual Effects of Batman Returns- 11m 34s
-Inside the Danny Elfman Studio: The Music of Batman Returns- 11m 22s
Face to Face Music Video by Siouxsie and the Banshees- 4m 18s
The Heroes and The Villains Profile Galleries
- Heroes: Batman- 3m 3s, Alfred- 3m 58s
-Villians: The Penguin- 4m 26s, Catwoman- 4m 29s, Max Shreck- 2m 16s
Batman Returns Theatrical Trailer- 2m 58s

^^Approx. 112 minutes (1 hour and 52 minutes) of special features! This does NOT include commentary.
ALL WE NEED IS "THE DARK SIDE OF THE DARK KNIGHT" TO COMPLETE THE SET!

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[BatmanRules33]

i hope we get this box cover instead:


http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6104/batmanreturnsse3bl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:up: :up:

[BatmanRules33]

I liked Batman Returns when it was first out but as I've gotten older I've noticed so many things about it that are... suspect.

How did the Penguin get the plans to the Batmobile? What the hell was the deal with that Penguin army? I'm sorry, that was ridiculous. The "Bat-missle" bugged me, too.

I loved the ski-boat, though, and Michelle Pfieffer was terriffic as Catwoman. Although the thing about having "nine lives" was kind of awful. And where did she get all her badassitude from after falling off a roof? I can understand that it would change her personality, but where'd she get all those SKILLS? It takes more than self-confidence to be able to flip around like the "nimble little minx" that she is. :)

She was great, though. Really really great. She was the definition of sexy, I think. I think in the dictionary it says, "sex-y, (secks-ee), adj, 1.Michelle Pfieffer in 'Batman Returns', (1992)."

As well it should.

As always Keaton gave a great performance, but had precious little to do. I think a movie about Bruce and Selena (and their alter egos) alone would have been a great movie. It didn't really need Pengy or Walken in it, and I think the presence of so many major characters, while making for interesting interactions, really didn't give any of the characters the time they deserved onscreen.

And I really do wish that Billy Dee Williams had been on hand. I missed Harvey Dent in BR, and Billy Dee would have been a MUCH better Two-Face than Tommy Lee Jones in BF. Hands down.

Anyway, I have to put "Batman Returns" farther down the list than most of you do. I like it, but I don't think it's great by a long shot. It's only better than "Forever" because it takes itself seriously where Forever didn't. "Returns" is more fun than BATMAN '89, but B'89 is much, MUCH better than Returns, if only because B'89 at least makes sense. good for you, now if your not gonna praise BR, then dont spam here it gets annoying and from all your previous posts i think we ALL know your opinion on things.:rolleyes:

[JLBats]

i hope we get this box cover instead:


http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6104/batmanreturnsse3bl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:up: :up:

We all do. Did you get Daisy's warning about your trolling?

[BatmanRules33]

im not trolling. there fore nobody gave me a warning, cept nukk nukk sending me stupid pm's:down

[JLBats]

im not trolling. there fore nobody gave me a warning, cept nukk nukk sending me stupid pm's:down

Look in the Bale vs. Keaton thread. You got warned.

[snwboarder88]

alright back to Batman Returns...that is a cool cover as well...either will be fine

[BatmanRules33]

for me, ive GOT to have that cover! i have been wanting that cover since i could remember, and if i have to have it imported or whatever i will. these will most likely turn up on ebay anyways, lol.

[Two-Face]

Nice cover, have you got one for Batman 89?

[snwboarder88]

yea...i like how its got snow and ice on the batman logo...i would take either cover.

[Spidey-Bat]

Look in the Bale vs. Keaton thread. You got warned.

Dude, do you have to keep reminding him? You got warned too. Just drop the subject.

[snwboarder88]

yes...its really annoying..no need to bring the argument into every thread. thats spamming.

[Keyser Sushi]

good for you, now if your not gonna praise BR, then dont spam here it gets annoying and from all your previous posts i think we ALL know your opinion on things.:rolleyes:

Why does this thread have to be just for praise?

As far as I know this is the Official Batman Returns Thread. Meaning this is a place to discuss Batman Returns.

Which is what I was doing in my post.

That hardly qualifies as spam.

[Spidey-Bat]

yes...its really annoying..no need to bring the argument into every thread. thats spamming.

Exactly :up:

[Keyser Sushi]

It's not an argument, and it's not spam. It's an attempt at intelligent discussion. Why do you people insist on only talking to people who agree with you? I personally enjoy discussing differing viewpoints, and I have yet to have an in-depth discussion with anybody here at the Hype! regarding Batman Returns. I was hoping I would find it in this thread but I guess not.

By the way, if you feel that I am spamming, then why don't you report me to the mods?

[Spidey-Bat]

It's not an argument, and it's not spam. It's an attempt at intelligent discussion. Why do you people insist on only talking to people who agree with you? I personally enjoy discussing differing viewpoints, and I have yet to have an in-depth discussion with anybody here at the Hype! regarding Batman Returns. I was hoping I would find it in this thread but I guess not.

By the way, if you feel that I am spamming, then why don't you report me to the mods?

We're referring to JLBat's constant reminding of BatmanRules33's warning. What JL forgets is he too was warned and reminding BR33 isn't going to help.

[Keyser Sushi]

Oh, okay. My mistake. I thought snwboarder88 was supporting BatmanRules33's suggestion that I stop "spamming" this thread. Apologies.

[snwboarder88]

alright...back to BR! ha...its ok to discuss anything about BR in this thread...your likes and dislikes about this film, so if someone does not like BR and post about it there is know need to call it spamming, this is a thread to discuss everything about this movie not just how great it is, thats why i posted a page back all the mistakes BR had, because this thread is about the entire movie

[snwboarder88]

Oh, okay. My mistake. I thought snwboarder88 was supporting BatmanRules33's suggestion that I stop "spamming" this thread. Apologies.

I was defending you...

[Keyser Sushi]

Right on. There's a lot of cool stuff about the movie - as with any Burton movie, the production design is gorgeous. The costumes were great (Pfieffer's Catwoman, as I say, is "teh secks") and Keaton's Batman suit is much improved. I prefer to natural muscle look of the suit in BATMAN '89 but the armor-plated look is more honest, in a sense - since that's what the suit is meant to be in those movies: armor. I think the cowl in Returns is much better than the cowl in '89.

Even the Penguin - while I don't like what they did the character, he does look cool. I'm also glad they kept the same Batmobile design from '89. I like continuity!

But on that subject, what I think is weird is how Wayne Manor looks totally different in Returns than it did in '89. I heard that the reason was that Burton didn't view "Returns" as a sequel to BATMAN, but as a new Batman movie that was entirely unrelated to BATMAN '89.

Which is an interesting concept. But if that's what he was doing... why did Bruce mention Vicki Vale when he was talking to Alfred?!?!

"Who's the one who let Vicki Vale into the Batcave? I'm working, all of a sudden I look up, 'oh, hey Vick, uh, come on in..."

[snwboarder88]

Right on. There's a lot of cool stuff about the movie - as with any Burton movie, the production design is gorgeous. The costumes were great (Pfieffer's Catwoman, as I say, is "teh secks") and Keaton's Batman suit is much improved. I prefer to natural muscle look of the suit in BATMAN '89 but the armor-plated look is more honest, in a sense - since that's what the suit is meant to be in those movies: armor. I think the cowl in Returns is much better than the cowl in '89.

Even the Penguin - while I don't like what they did the character, he does look cool. I'm also glad they kept the same Batmobile design from '89. I like continuity!

But on that subject, what I think is weird is how Wayne Manor looks totally different in Returns than it did in '89. I heard that the reason was that Burton didn't view "Returns" as a sequel to BATMAN, but as a new Batman movie that was entirely unrelated to BATMAN '89.

Which is an interesting concept. But if that's what he was doing... why did Bruce mention Vicki Vale when he was talking to Alfred?!?!

"Who's the one who let Vicki Vale into the Batcave? I'm working, all of a sudden I look up, 'oh, hey Vick, uh, come on in..."

I agree thats one thing I never really understood...because BR wasnt suppose to be a "sequel" as in continuity, it was just suppose to be like another episode of Batmans adventures. So I didnt get it when Bruces tells Selina that there was a girl...Vicki? Oh well, I actually liked the fact they mentioned her, I dont like it when characters that were in a previous movie and not in the sequel get know mention of at all, they just went on "vacation!"

[Keyser Sushi]

I agree thats one thing I never really understood...because BR wasnt suppose to be a "sequel" as in continuity, it was just suppose to be like another episode of Batmans adventures. So I didnt get it when Bruces tells Selina that there was a girl...Vicki? Oh well, I actually liked the fact they mentioned her, I dont like it when characters that were in a previous movie and not in the sequel get know mention of at all, they just went on "vacation!"

I agree on all counts. :up:

[snwboarder88]

http://gfx.filmweb.pl/f/8820/8820.jpg



http://pierre.leaute.free.fr/BATMAN%20RETURNS.jpg

why is the BR logo under Batman Intimdidation...maybe im wrong but wastn BR supposed to be called Batman Intimidation? and if not, whats this poster for?

[Keyser Sushi]

"Batman Intimidation" was one of the working titles for Batman Begins. And notice the tagline "Let the legend begin" underneath it? This looks like a fan-made teaser poster for BB before the official title was announced.

Look at the word "Intimidation" and "Let the legend begin" and notice that the letters are much sharper and clearer there than the rest... meaning this probably began its life as a photo of a BR teaster poster scanned into the computer, and the other words were dropped in using a graphics editing program.

[snwboarder88]

http://www.jenexmedia.com/michelle/galleries/batman/batman_14.jpg


http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=batman+returns+pictures/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=12kjsicbv/EXP=1124766882/*-http%3A//www.jenexmedia.com/michelle/galleries/batman/batman_2.jpg
http://www.jenexmedia.com/michelle/galleries/batman/batman_9.jpg

http://www.jenexmedia.com/michelle/galleries/batman/batman_7.jpg

http://www.jenexmedia.com/michelle/galleries/batman/batman_3.jpg

http://www.jenexmedia.com/michelle/galleries/batman/batman_12.jpg

[snwboarder88]

"Batman Intimidation" was one of the working titles for Batman Begins. And notice the tagline "Let the legend begin" underneath it? This looks like a fan-made teaser poster for BB before the official title was announced.

Look at the word "Intimidation" and "Let the legend begin" and notice that the letters are much sharper and clearer there than the rest... meaning this probably began its life as a photo of a BR teaster poster scanned into the computer, and the other words were dropped in using a graphics editing program.

Gotcha...I knew Intimidation was suppose to be a title for one of the Batman films.

[Keyser Sushi]

Nice pics of Michelle/Selena up there. My favorites are the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th pictures. Blondes are not my preference but she is Capital H "Sexy."

I love her Catwoman voice, too... that throaty purr. Yum.

No two ways about it, she (and her natural chemistry with Mike Keaton) was the best thing about BR.

[snwboarder88]

yea...that made the movie.

[snwboarder88]

Tim Burton on Batman Returns

" There are many parts of the first film i liked, but i have to say it was a little boring at times. usually the case with sequels is that they're like the first movie except everything gets jacked up a little. i didn't feel i could do that; i wanted to treat this like it was another batman movie altogether. it had a much smaller cast and i had a better time making it. i think it has more energy and i like the characters a lot more. Catwoman, penguin and chris walken's character- i love them all. people say that batman took a backseat in my movies, which i can understand, but i wanted to really explore all these characters so much. i actually think Michael Keaton stands out more because the villains are so out of control, whereas he's very controlled."

These quotes can be found in Empire september 2005, www.empireonline.com

[Keyser Sushi]

Wow, cool. It's nice to see what Burton has to say about his Bat-movies. If he has indeed done commentaries for the new DVDs, they should be interesting...

[snwboarder88]

Yea...I only wish he could have kept going with the movies...i would have loved to see his take on the Ridler, Twoface, Poison Ivy, and Mr.Freeze...

[snwboarder88]

Notes
There was heavy security surrounded The Penguin's makeup. Danny DeVito was forbidden to describe The Penguin's makeup to anyone, including his family.

Annette Bening was cast as Catwoman, but was replaced by Michelle Pfeiffer when she became pregnant with Warren Beatty's child.

Max Shreck was named after the actor Max Shreck that played the vampire in Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens.

The role of Max Shreck was originally written to be District Attorney Harvey Dent. The explosion at the end was only to scar Dent, which led to his becoming Two-Face in the third movie. Also, most of Shreck's plot points and political aspirations would make more sense if they came from a D.A. and not a department store owner.

After Selina smashes the "o" and "t" neon letters from the "Hello There" sign, it reads "Hell here".

The Penguin's line: "I am an animal. I am NOT a human being," is a spun on John Hurt's line: "I am not an animal! I am a human being! I am a man!" as John Merrick in The Elephant Man.

Selina's line "It's going to be a hot time in the cold town tonight" was uttered by The Joker in Batman when he electrocuted Antoine Rotelli.

The lines on the Catwoman's suit breaks up as she loses her "nine" lives.

The Penguin's parents are non others than Paul Reubens and Diane Salinger from Pee-wee's Big Adventure, also directed by Tim Burton.

Catwoman's "Tic-Cat-Toe" is, of course, a pun on the children's game "Tic-Tac-Toe".

Just before Max throws Selina through the window, the shadow from her glasses resembles her future Catwoman mask (see pic).

Director Trademark: the beginning credits sequence opens with the camera following something (the bassinet).

Director Trademark: opening with a quiet night time snowfall.

Director Trademark: misunderstood outcast (Batman and the Penguin).

Director Trademark: Christmas

[Two-Face]

Interesting notes, where did you get these notes?

[snwboarder88]

took them myself...ha

www.movietone.com

[snwboarder88]

Annette Bening was cast as Catwoman, but was replaced by Michelle Pfeiffer when she became pregnant with Warren Beatty's child.

So Happy she was replaced...i cant think of anyone else playing Catwoman...or atleast playing her good.

[snwboarder88]

the whole interaction scene between Bruce and Selina at the Ball is one of my faves of all time. from the moment he starts looking around for her to where she walks down the stairs, up to the revelation of their alter egos. everything was perfect.

Yeah...it was a great scene, they have awesome chemistry together and i think that song that is playing is face to face? good song if that was it...

[snwboarder88]

I feel im the only one that posts in here...haha

[Keyser Sushi]

LOL... nah, you just post the most. I think we chased BR33 and his homies out of here, though... sort of the proverbial mixed blessing...

[snwboarder88]

^ haha..ok, well i dont want this thread to die, so im gonna post know matter what.

[Keyser Sushi]

Alright, well, I'll stick around, too. :)

[snwboarder88]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Binker
I thought it was pretty good. It a goth band with a goth music video on BR.

How about you take a look:

http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/sioux...es/artist.jhtml

Its under "Video". Click full length.

[snwboarder88]

more pics..

http://www.kirstenp.claranet.de/comicmovies/pictures/batmanreturns01.jpghttp://www.kirstenp.claranet.de/comicmovies/pictures/batmanreturns02.jpg
http://www.kirstenp.claranet.de/comicmovies/pictures/batmanreturns03.jpghttp://www.kirstenp.claranet.de/comicmovies/pictures/batmanreturns04.jpg

[snwboarder88]

http://tm.ask.com/r?t=c&s=p&sv=0a300522&uid=0CC79ABCEA9284034&sid=107358419D003B034&o=0&id=30751&p=%2Ffr&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ed-wood.net%2Ftim_batman2.jpg http://www.ed-wood.net/catwoman_tim.jpg

http://www.ed-wood.net/penguincave.jpg

http://tm.ask.com/r?t=c&s=p&sv=0a30050f&uid=0CC79ABCEA9284034&sid=107358419D003B034&o=0&id=30751&p=%2Ffr&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electroephemera.com%2Fcellwrap% 2Fimages%2Fbatman2.jpg

http://tm.ask.com/r?t=c&s=p&sv=0a300531&uid=0CC79ABCEA9284034&sid=107358419D003B034&o=0&id=30751&p=%2Ffr&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.monitorduty.com%2Fimages%2Fimgs 03%2Fbreturn.jpg

[BatmanRules33]

more pics..

http://www.kirstenp.claranet.de/comicmovies/pictures/batmanreturns01.jpghttp://www.kirstenp.claranet.de/comicmovies/pictures/batmanreturns02.jpg
http://www.kirstenp.claranet.de/comicmovies/pictures/batmanreturns03.jpghttp://www.kirstenp.claranet.de/comicmovies/pictures/batmanreturns04.jpg

great pics. pieffer is teh goddess! and michael keaton is a better looking guy then ppl give him credit for. im not gay, just sayin that, hes not BUTT ugly, lol, hes actually charming looking. in that above pic, top left, keaton looks like he did in the cowl in B89.

[BatmanRules33]

LOL... nah, you just post the most. I think we chased BR33 and his homies out of here, though... sort of the proverbial mixed blessing...

i think not ass. im still here, and there nouttin you can do bout it :o :)

[BatmanRules33]

Yeah...it was a great scene, they have awesome chemistry together and i think that song that is playing is face to face? good song if that was it...

i LOOOOVE that song!! i burned it onto my "batman mix" cd i made, its a great romantic song and the words in the song describe the feelings catwoman/selina is haveing i believe. i cant wait for the SE dvd that i can see the music video. also, great points whoever posted them, that info about BR, interesting stuff!:up: :)


also, not sure if this could go here, but its interesting. on the bottom of the pic, its a real prop of a B89/BR license plate, LOL. sweet!

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1701/freddyandgizmo4th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[snwboarder88]

cool find!

[Guason]

Batman Returns trailer
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103776/trailers
I love this trailer!:up::ghost:

[Guason]

Pfeiffer Keeps Her Claws From Catwoman Judd
28 January 2002 (WENN)
Michelle Pfeiffer has kept her claws drawn when discussing Ashley Judd's succession to the role of Catwoman in the new Batman spin-off movie. The sexy actress played the latex-suited bad-girl in 1992's Batman Returns, but - despite making herself available to reprise the role in the upcoming film based on the feline villain - Judd secured the lead instead. However, the 42-year-old claims her interest in the film ended when she found out Batman director Tim Burton would not be joining the project. She says, "Studios like change and there's always a new person playing Batman. Tim Burton isn't involved in the new Catwoman film and I wanted to do it with him. For me, it was really his vision that made it so special." But Pfeiffer graciously adds that Judd will do justice to the part - for which the 42-year-old famously donned a skin-tight catsuit - and even offers her some friendly advice to her fellow star. I think Ashley Judd will be great as Catwoman. But she should make sure the mask fits because it was squishing my face through half of the movie. I hope her outfit is a lot more comfortable than mine. All that latex is sort of itchy."

[Guason]

Technical Specifications for
Batman Returns

Camera
Panavision Cameras and Lenses
Film negative format (mm/video inches)
35 mm
Cinematographic process
Spherical
Printed film format
35 mm
Aspect ratio
1.85 : 1

[Guason]

Business Data for
Batman Returns

Budget
$80,000,000 (estimated)
Opening Weekend
$45,600,000 (USA) (21 June 1992)
AUD 1,863,810 (Australia) (21 June 1992)
Gross
$162,831,698 (USA)
£10,979,000 (UK)
$282,800,000 (Worldwide)
$120,000,000 (Non-USA)
$3,266,000 (Argentina)
AUD 9,491,634 (Australia) ( 1992)
Admissions
763,615 (Argentina)
Rentals
$100,100,000 (USA)
Copyright Holder
Warner Bros. Inc.

[Guason]

Referenced in
The Double 0 Kid (1992)
Army of Darkness (1993)
Roseanna (1993) (V)
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1993)
Wallace & Gromit: The Wrong Trousers (1993)
Ed Wood (1994)
Wipeout 2097 (1996) (VG)
Two If by Sea (1996)
Irma Vep (1996)
Just Your Luck (1996) (V)
Pistola de mi hermano, La (1997)
I Got the Hook Up (1998)
Magra, La (1998) (V)
Syphon Filter (1999) (VG)
Magnolia (1999)
Ghost World (2000)
Planet of the Apes (2001)
Metoroporisu (2001)
Monsters, Inc. (2001)
Kuutamolla (2002)
The Master of Disguise (2002)
The Very Best of Have I Got News for You (2002) (V)
Daredevil (2003)
AFI's 100 Years... 100 Heroes & Villains (2003) (TV)
Big Fish (2003)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)
Catwoman (2004)
Catwoman: Copycat (2005)

References
Kabinett des Doktor Caligari, Das (1920)
Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (1922)
The Phantom of the Opera (1925)
Citizen Kane (1941)
Vertigo (1958)
Psycho (1960)
"Batman" (1966/II)
A Nightmare On Elm Street (1984)
A View to a Kill (1985)
Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985)
Bad Taste (1987)
Batman (1989)

Featured in
The 68th Annual Academy Awards (1996) (TV)
AFI's 100 Years... 100 Heroes & Villains (2003) (TV)
The Many Faces of Catwoman (2005) (V)
Spoofed in
Splatman (1992) (V)
Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me (1999)

Spin off
Batman Returns (1992/II) (VG)
"Birds of Prey" (2002)

Spoofs
The Elephant Man (1980)
Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985)

Followed by
Batman Forever (1995)
Batman & Robin (1997)

Follows
Batman (1989)

Edited into
De Superman à Spider-Man: L'aventure des super-héros (2002) (V)

[Guason]

# "FACE TO FACE"
Words and music by Danny Elfman and Siouxsie & The Banshees
Produced by Stephen Hague and Danny Elfman
Performed by Siouxsie & The Banshees
Courtesy of Polydor Limited and Geffen Records

"SUPER FREAK"
Written by Rick James and Alonzo Miller
Orchestrated by Bruce Fowler


# "SUPER FREAK"
Written by Rick James and Alonzo Miller
Orchestrated by Bruce Fowler

[Guason]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103776/externalreviews
here are 45 BR reviews, positive and negative.

[snwboarder88]

awesome stuff Guason!

[snwboarder88]

Referenced in
The Double 0 Kid (1992)
Army of Darkness (1993)
Roseanna (1993) (V)
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1993)
Wallace & Gromit: The Wrong Trousers (1993)
Ed Wood (1994)
Wipeout 2097 (1996) (VG)
Two If by Sea (1996)
Irma Vep (1996)
Just Your Luck (1996) (V)
Pistola de mi hermano, La (1997)
I Got the Hook Up (1998)
Magra, La (1998) (V)
Syphon Filter (1999) (VG)
Magnolia (1999)
Ghost World (2000)
Planet of the Apes (2001)
Metoroporisu (2001)
Monsters, Inc. (2001)
Kuutamolla (2002)
The Master of Disguise (2002)
The Very Best of Have I Got News for You (2002) (V)
Daredevil (2003)
AFI's 100 Years... 100 Heroes & Villains (2003) (TV)
Big Fish (2003)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)
Catwoman (2004)
Catwoman: Copycat (2005)

References
Kabinett des Doktor Caligari, Das (1920)
Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (1922)
The Phantom of the Opera (1925)
Citizen Kane (1941)
Vertigo (1958)
Psycho (1960)
"Batman" (1966/II)
A Nightmare On Elm Street (1984)
A View to a Kill (1985)
Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985)
Bad Taste (1987)
Batman (1989)

Featured in
The 68th Annual Academy Awards (1996) (TV)
AFI's 100 Years... 100 Heroes & Villains (2003) (TV)
The Many Faces of Catwoman (2005) (V)
Spoofed in
Splatman (1992) (V)
Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me (1999)

Spin off
Batman Returns (1992/II) (VG)
"Birds of Prey" (2002)

Spoofs
The Elephant Man (1980)
Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985)

Followed by
Batman Forever (1995)
Batman & Robin (1997)

Follows
Batman (1989)

Edited into
De Superman à Spider-Man: L'aventure des super-héros (2002) (V)

So Batman Returns is mentioned in all these or just characters are? where did you find the info, got a link?

[Guason]

i found them at IMDB.

[snwboarder88]

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[BatmanRules33]

hmmm...interesting. i thought you were just listing the end credits or something, lol. and ashly judd as catwoman?? im guessing they changed the actress beofre judd found out, lol. also, im glad pieffer didnt do catwoman of ANY kind, or at least any kind excluding burton. shes right, it was burtons vision that made catowoman and batman an item to begin with, you just cant beat that, so im very happy she didnt do the new one, even though i beg that she and burton do a catwoman spinoff still, even though pieffer is a bit older, its still possible!!

awsome pics!!!!!!!!!! i used to have ALL those happy meal batman returns toys!! i lost them though.....:( and the diecast hot wheels batmobile has the feature where you can pull out that engine like in the last pic, its great!:up:

[snwboarder88]

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[Guason]

Maybe we could check out how BR is referenced in all those movies.

[BatmanRules33]

i think in ghostworld, that one girl (not johanson) wheres a pieffer-looking catwoman mask.

[snwboarder88]

http://tm.ask.com/r?t=c&s=p&sv=0a30052c&uid=02C988E2497C89C24&sid=13FDB03E77486B034&o=0&id=30751&p=%2Ffr&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psxnation.com%2Freviews%2Fdvdmo vies%2FBatmanreturns1.jpg http://www.psxnation.com/reviews/dvdmovies/Batmanreturns2.jpg

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[BatmanRules33]

awsome pics!! that last pic of gotham city is BRILLIANT!! one of the reasons i loved burtons films was his gotham. it was pure genious:up:

[snwboarder88]

awsome pics!! that last pic of gotham city is BRILLIANT!! one of the reasons i loved burtons films was his gotham. it was pure genious:up:

That is one of my favorite pics!

[snwboarder88]

Gotham...

While the script went through development, Burton and DiNovi assembled a crew, mostly of alumni from earlier Burton films, including director of Photography Stefan Szapsky, Chuck Gaspar, and composer Danny Elfman. Those first to be brought on board were production designer Bo Welch and art directors Rick Heinrichs and Tom Duffield, who labored on Gotham's decadent surroundings for over a year.
Welch was faced with modifying the late Anton Furst's darkly vibrant designs for the first film. ''I don't feel we were chained to the first movie,'' he says. ''We basically worked within the same parameters: that Gotham is a dark caricature of a city. But our approach was a little more loose and fun. The first one to me was very nostalgic; ours was more fascist. That's why we blankened everything in snow: it radically changes the environment by giving things a stronger black and white contrast.''

According to Heinrichs, who describes the new Gotham as Nazi architect ''Albert Speer with a little Dr. Suess thrown in,'' the approach reflects the expressionist influence that has surfaced in various Burton-Heinrichs collaborations dating back to their 1982 black-and-white short, VINCENT. ''German Expressionism has always been a great way of using light and shadow to make a visual statement. To a degree, we drained some of the colors in this movie to give the city a muted, more oppressive and claustrophobic quality. It's a way of visually adding subtlety.''

Borrowing from sources like the Rockefeller Center and the neo-fascist World's Fair, Welch and the art directors concocted a phantasmagoric conglomerate of colorful decadence. ''We wanted Gotham to represent the old American city - rotted, corrupt, and full of character and life,'' he explains. ''There had to be the juxtaposition of old and new, and decay and fascism, like in Gotham Plaza where you have these poor citizens trying to celebrate Christmas with this beautiful 40-foot tree stuck in the middle of the dreariest, most imposing buildings we could fit on the sound stage.''

[snwboarder88]

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[snwboarder88]

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[Keyser Sushi]

it was burtons vision that made catowoman and batman an item to begin with,

What?

[snwboarder88]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michael_keaton/batman4.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michael_keaton/batman3.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michael_keaton/batman.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michelle_pfeiffer/batman4.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michelle_pfeiffer/batman.jpg

[snwboarder88]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/danny_devito/batman.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/_group_photos/michael_keaton1.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/_group_photos/danny_devito2.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michael_keaton/batman5.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michelle_pfeiffer/batman6.jpg

^ this pic and the one of pic of the skyline of Gotham are some of my favorites

[snwboarder88]

Academy - 1992
Category Nominee Win/Nominated
Best Makeup
Ve Neill, Stan Winston Nominated
Best Visual Effects
Michael Fink, Craig Barron, John Bruno, Dennis Skotak Nominated

[snwboarder88]

i think in ghostworld, that one girl (not johanson) wheres a pieffer-looking catwoman mask.

yeah...heres the pichttp://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1600000/images/_1604573_ghost_world_300.jpg

[BatmanRules33]

What?

IN MOVIES i mean. the keaton/pieffer relationship along with burtons incredible vision for the 2 characters are what IMO made them great. if it werent for burton, it probably would have sucked.

love burton.:up:

[batmaluco]

Batman Returns





For Batman Returns, Matte World Digital created miniatures and matte paintings that established the opening Cobblepot Mansion sequence, the Batcave and stately Wayne Mannor. MWD also created all shots of Gotham City that featured the Batsignal.

http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_man7.jpg
A long tracking shot begins toward moody Cobblepot mansion, the birthplace of the penguin.

http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_mn10.jpg
The camera continues past the gate, toward the window where a silhouetted Cobblepot peers through the window.

http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_man2.jpg


Motion control man Cameron Noble makes adjustments to the photo etched wrought iron gate.


The illusion of distance was achieved by photographing the gate and the mansion models on seperate but overlapping motion control tracks, giving the impression that the model was a lot further away. Both the gate and mansion models were placed on their sides so that the camera could easily fly over the gate. The Cobblepot figure was rear projected through the window. Several falling snow elements were also added as the camera moved in.

[batmaluco]

In the manor garden a bat mirror relay was programmed to capture the batsignal beam and redirect it into the library where Bruce Wayne awaits the call for help.

http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_man8.jpg
The bat reflector redirects the batsignal as seen in the film.

http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_man1.jpg
Motion control camera man Joel Hladecek and camera assistant Drummond Stone program the reflector on the forced perspective set.



Batman Returns ends with a signature crane-up through the verticle levels of Gotham city to reveal the batsignal triumphantly emblazened on a cloud. To create the shot, Matte World Digital crafted a multi-plane miniature set up that was filmed horizontally along a forty-foot motion control track. The final crane-up would be a complex layering of live-action, model buildings and painting elements.



http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_man4.jpg
Bruce Wayne's Rolls Royce driving down a Gotham City street, is photographed at the Warner Brothers backlot.

http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_man3.jpg
The Rolls Royce is reduced in size and composited with an eighth-scale miniature alley foreground complete with steam pipes and falling snow.

http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_man6.jpg
The multi-plane shot continues with more mid-ground pipes and tresses.

[BatmanRules33]

wow........great stuff!!!! keep it comin if you have more!!!

[batmaluco]

http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_man5.jpg

The camera stops rising to reveal distant seventy-second scale buildings and a matte painting of the city background with moving clouds.


http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/images/bat_man9.jpg
The batsignal is activated in the night sky. The effect was achieved by projecting artwork against moving fiberfill clouds.

LINK: http://www.matteworld.com/film/1992/batman.html

[batmaluco]

wow........great stuff!!!! keep it comin if you have more!!!
That's all. I love this kind of "making of" stuff.

[Keyser Sushi]

IN MOVIES i mean. the keaton/pieffer relationship along with burtons incredible vision for the 2 characters are what IMO made them great. if it werent for burton, it probably would have sucked.

love burton.:up:

Well, the relationship (and natural chemistry) of Keaton and Pfeiffer certainly gave their performances that extra spark. No disagreements there.

But what did Burton have to do with that?

And in the comics, Batman and Catwoman are (and have always been) very passionate lovers, with a violent and slightly capricious twist. Their relationship in BR was *exactly* what it is in the comics. Burton did a good job bringing it to the screen -- and taking Keaton's suggestion and casting Michelle Pfeiffer was a good call...

But what was "Burton's incredible viision for the 2 characters" again?

[BatmanRules33]

Well, the relationship (and natural chemistry) of Keaton and Pfeiffer certainly gave their performances that extra spark. No disagreements there.

But what did Burton have to do with that?

And in the comics, Batman and Catwoman are (and have always been) very passionate lovers, with a violent and slightly capricious twist. Their relationship in BR was *exactly* what it is in the comics. Burton did a good job bringing it to the screen -- and taking Keaton's suggestion and casting Michelle Pfeiffer was a good call...

But what was "Burton's incredible viision for the 2 characters" again?

ummmm,... thats exactly what i said. he had a vision for the characters that was romantic, yet it was off and twisted and i just couldnt see ANY one do it like burton did. he simply made some great films that were true to the spirit of batman for me, and yes, that was true to the comics, OH MAN, i actually found something that was true to the comics in a burton film, oh no!!:rolleyes:

seriously, your trying to find reasons for hateing burton and keaton. if you love bale so much, go to something called the begins forums and leave us burton fans alone, damnit you nolanites.

[Keyser Sushi]

ummmm,... thats exactly what i said. he had a vision for the characters that was romantic, yet it was off and twisted and i just couldnt see ANY one do it like burton did. he simply made some great films that were true to the spirit of batman for me, and yes, that was true to the comics, OH MAN, i actually found something that was true to the comics in a burton film, oh no!!:rolleyes:

There are a lot of things in the Burton films that are true to the comics, and I have never said otherwise. I think "Begins" got more things more right, but that doesn't mean that what Burton did wasn't valid. What I'm asking is, how was making the relationship true to the comics, "Burton's vision", that's all? Isn't that somebody else's vision that Burton just did a good job translating to the screen?

seriously, your trying to find reasons for hateing burton and keaton. if you love bale so much, go to something called the begins forums and leave us burton fans alone, damnit you nolanites.

You really don't listen well, man. Please go and find one single instance where I have EVER said that I didn't like Burton, or Keaton. You won't find it because I never said that. If I don't say that Keaton is the greatest, you think I'm bashing him. If I say that Burton isn't the best storyteller in the world, it's heresy. Everything has to be absolute with you. One thing has to be great and everything else has to blow chunks. There can't be anything in between with you.

What you don't understand is that most of us don't think like that. Just because I like one movie more, doesn't mean I have to hate all the others.

[BatmanRules33]

What you don't understand is that most of us don't think like that. Just because I like one movie more, doesn't mean I have to hate all the others.

okay then, we'll play it your way. you may have never directly said anything horribly bad against burtons films (even though i know you have) but you certainly come off as a burton-basher. yes, you do.

and theres also something called "likeing one thing and not really likeing something else".

[Keyser Sushi]

okay then, we'll play it your way. you may have never directly said anything horribly bad against burtons films (even though i know you have) but you certainly come off as a burton-basher. yes, you do.

I have been CRITICAL of Burton's movies. Yes, I have. Very much so. But I have never said I didn't like them. "Bashing" something is to say that it's bad and not give any legitimate reasons for it. I don't do that. If I don't like something, I have reasons for it and I can explain them. And if I don't have reasons I can own up to that, too. I am critical of Burton because I feel that the movies he made were not very well-written, and I think that he is not a great storyteller. But I love Keaton's work, and I respect Burton, because he treated Batman with respect.

and theres also something called "likeing one thing and not really likeing something else".

This is true. But you see, a Batman fan would like BOTH Keaton and Bale, because they were both badass. That's not to say that a Batman fan would not like one over the other (as I certainly do) but I DO LIKE BOTH. It's a "nolanite" or a "burtonite" who likes one and doesn't like the other.

You are pro-Burton and anti-Nolan, and you accuse me of being the opposite. I am neither, and you don't know what to do with me.

[JLBats]

okay then, we'll play it your way. you may have never directly said anything horribly bad against burtons films (even though i know you have) but you certainly come off as a burton-basher. yes, you do.

and theres also something called "likeing one thing and not really likeing something else".

Yes, that is true, and yet everytime someone says they love Begins and hate 89 and Returns, you come back with something like:

"NO, KEATON DA MAN, BALE DA POSER, KEATON KILLA EYES!!!!!"

And then you post a close up picture of Keaton's eyes, which makes you seem very... odd.:confused:

Now honestly, this solves nothing, is inflammatory, and shows the only real reason you like 89 more is that you don't understand Batman and are unable to accept change.

[Milkman95]

BR33 is anti-Nolan and anti-Bale just so he can make his precious Michael Keaton and Tim Burton look better. Well, most of us have more class than that here, unlike BR33.

I happen to like BOTH, but prefer Nolan and Bale's approach. There's NOTHING wrong with that..............

[Keyser Sushi]

Well said, Gents. Well said. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

Batman Returns was the darkest of the 6.

[snwboarder88]

Also the best...!

[Two-Face]

Batman Returns was the darkest of the 6.

Begins is nothing to do with other Batman movies.

[JLBats]

Also the best...!

My main problems with BR were a total lack of focus and story. Was it about Batman? No. Was it about Penguin, Catwoman, Christopher Walken?

Not really, it focuses on them at different points and switches between plot points eratically. None of the characters are given full development. MAYBE Penguin. At least he had a (slight) reason for what he was doing. But even then... where did that whole Penguin character come from?! He seemed almost more like Killer Croc then Penguin. And then there's Catwoman, who falls, wakes up and is psychotic. Then at the end... what the hell was up with the army of Penguins? That is not any part of a serious movie, nor does it belong in a Batman film. Maybe the 60s series, but these supposedly serious movies. And again, what the hell did this film have to do with the source material?

Ultimately I find it truely odd that some fans are so reverent of these movies when the Spider-Man movies are still getting bashed for ORGANIC WEBSHOOTERS.:confused: At least those films focused on the actual titular character. And ultimately, these films miss the tone of Batman COMPLETELY. In my opinion, this is a bad film that doesn't take it's characters seriously, doesn't take it's plot seriously, and at some points disrespects the audience's intelligence.

[Mr. Socko]

Begins is nothing to do with other Batman movies.

So, I know it's not a sequel but I can still compare it to the others. As when I said 6, I also meant The Adam West film which has nothing to do with the other Batman movies.

[Two-Face]

I just wanted to post pics:


http://www.impawards.com/1992/posters/batman_returns_ver2.jpg


http://www.teletracks.com/images/logos/batman_returns.jpg


http://www.caratulasdecine.com/Caratulas/Batman_returns.jpg


http://crankycritic.com/archive/posters/batmanreturns2.jpg

[Mr. Socko]

It also had a pretty cool poster. The second is my favorite, but the first doesn't work for me.

[batmaluco]

I just wanted to post pics:

http://crankycritic.com/archive/posters/batmanreturns2.jpg
This is a beautiful poster, I really dig this one. :up:

[snwboarder88]

yeah...hopefully that will be the cover to the new dvd..but i will take either

[Two-Face]

http://www.ed-wood.net/br017.jpg


http://www.ed-wood.net/catwoman_1.JPG

[Binker]

Question:

Burton was interested in making Batman 3 after Batman Returns. However there were mixed reviews of people saying either it was darker than the first, lighter than the first, or it was scary and somethign children prolly shouldn't see. Which is why WB booted Burton off Batman 3.

But we love Batman Returns either like the first one, or more than the first one. Either way, its the best outta the four films.

But could someone explain the reason why the differences between then and now?

[Spidey-Bat]

WB wanted Burton to go lighter, but he didn't so he left and reccomended Joel Schumacher. Joel credited Burton as a producer even though he did nothing for the movie.

[Binker]

Oh.

Well that's not true. Gotham does have gothic textures on somethings. And the elements in BF was kinda based on what Burton was going with his Batman 3.

[Sabotage8475]

And the elements in BF was kinda based on what Burton was going with his Batman 3.


The source, please?

[JLBats]

Binker seems to really like Forever, and really dislike Returns.

[Binker]

Well I don't know all of what Batman 3 would have, but the redemption part in Batman 3 appears in BF as Bruce's redemption of his inner demons and reasons becoming the dark knight.

--- Going by the BF DC version.

[Keyser Sushi]

Also a lot of the stuff in BF was culled from Sam Hamm's original script for Batman Returns - mainly the villains invading Wayne Manor and Bruce being injured, the cave being discovered. Dick escaping and coming back at the end to help out.

It's also apparent from the Batchlers' original BF script that it was written with the Burton/Keaton team in mind.

[snwboarder88]

I think robin would have been kick ass if burton would have been able to put him in BR or if burton directed BF...

[snwboarder88]

post your thoughts on BR in here, and not other threads...

[JLBats]

post your thoughts on BR in here, and not other threads...

:confused:

Notice the other thread was started BEFORE this one

[snwboarder88]

oh...my bad...

[snwboarder88]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: **batman Returns Appreciation Thread**
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[CFE]

I'll go ahead and put my thoughts about Returns here:

It's easily the best Batman movie and one of the best things Burton's made, as well as clearly being focused on Batman whether you like the way it does this or not. It has a very interesting structure, and I love the way the main theme of masks is cleverly woven from the first frame onward through the characters and all plot points (the public facade and the reality underneath). It's a very thematically padded and interesting film, as well as being a great modern era ode to German Expressionist filmmaking in its ability to communicate ideas visually.

As far as saying it's Burton and not Batman, that's utter rubbish. It's Burton's take on Batman, and that's no more or less valid than anybody else's as there is no definitive version of the character but only personal interpretation. If this was not the case, we would not have all these varying versions throughout the history of the character. I think Burton noted this himself when talking about adapting the material -- that comic book continuity was unsound and was constantly reinventing itself as far as the character. That seems to bother many purists (who, oddly, miss the point that the character has no single version to point to), but the freedom allowed Burton on this project is what makes it so special -- basically an artist given free reign, which I think should be applauded.

Like it or hate it, it's a rare commercial blockbuster that is clearly and deeply personal, and that seems to really rankle many -- i.e. it's not a typical, safe comic book movie as far as template but is instead something more artistic and bizarre therefore it's *beep* I truly think the film gets a bad rep just for being a Batman movie in various circles even though it's a superior work by Mr. Burton.

It's a great movie in my view and a great interpretation of Batman that in its runtime examines the character and makes definitive statements about him within its narrative outline, specifically in its final confrontations when considered with the rest of the film (both Batman/Penguin and Batman/Catwoman have personal duels at the end which give us payoff in regards to the psychology of the titular character). And as far as there not being enough Batman, he's in the film a lot after the first thirty five minutes or so which are clearly dedicated to building up the other characters with this being important to the structuring of the film inherently and to the examination of the Batman/Wayne character under that structure. After the first half hour, it's very Bats heavy in its content and intent.


I think depression, though not delved into, was a part of it, if not the psychosis, as shown through their choice of origins for the character and the impetus for his nightly work. Obviously it was not delved into much at all beyond cause and effect, but it's easy to read that into it even within that surface context. As far as definitive interpretation? There is none, even when just considering Kane/Finger's era, which about says it all.

For my tastes, I like the depressed, psychotic Batman Burton gave us and think it's a logical idea. Not definitive, but certainly as valid as any other. And Burton certainly did play up the original grim vigilante theme, right down to the killing, that Kane/Finger started with themselves -- on a purely aesthetic basis such as that (and considering the rather blank nature of the character in regards to psychology at this point, mood, overall action and look are about the only important things to translate from those earliest of stories which I think Burton did rather masterfully), it was more based on Batman's early beginnings than most other stuff when looking at its overall noir presentation as far as both mood and character.

The Kane/Finger Batman, in simplest terms, was a lone vigilante that was soon revealed to be driven by the death of his parents --all of this can be said for Burton's Batman as well, with the main difference being that he was most interested in the psychology behind the actions of the main character (including the killing that is notably present in the two versions) rather than just the actions themselves as far as point a to point b narrative resolution.

I think it's largely forgotten in many comic storylines that the underlying basis for Batman's nightly jaunts is psychological imbalance -- both as far as the depression and the heavily weird/illogical/psy cho way he chooses to deal with that, by dressing up as a bat of all things. If you portray this on film and want it to be taken seriously at all, I think the point has to be made that this is not a psychologically healthy character at all, otherwise you get camp. If you don't deal with the central idea being a character that acts out in the manner he does because of lacking mental health in much the same way as the villains he encounters -- it's obvious, but sometimes forgotten, that the basis of so many of these characters stems from their psychological traumas, and that Batman's the same when you contrast underlying motivations.

If Spider-Man's a soap, then Batman Returns is a psycho-drama.

I like the instability shown with Catwoman/Selina -- unlike Bruce she can't control her two personalities by the film's finale, as shown through the way the costume (the very thing she had used earlier to partially repair her psyche and keep the two personas separate) is falling apart throughout the film to the extent that Selina is coming through literally on a visual level. That's an awesome way to communicate the idea that she's unable to control the two sides of her personality, and Burton deomstrates this purely through visuals.

I also think it's important that Bruce rips off his mask (figurative or literal?) at the end, perfectly showing the dichotomy within him and backing up Penguin's earlier assertion, "You're just jealous because I'm a genuine freak, and you have to wear a mask." To which Batman replys "You might be right."

Actually, going on a bit of a tangent (nothing new for me), I love the idea of the difference between Penguin and Baman being that the former's psychosis stems from his physical disfigurement while the latter's freakish fetishes -- all the bat outfits and equipment, as well his nightly routine using this stuff -- stems from his psychosis. Opposites as far as cause and effect -- the Penguin is psychotic because he's a freak, while Wayne is a freak because he's psychotic. The Penguin is bitter because he can never truly be accepted by society, while Wayne wants nothing to do with normal society. I think this is a point made brilliantly within the context of the film.

Not only does Batman/Wayne truthfully state how close he is to Catwoman/Selina as far as the psycholgical split within them both, but the ending makes this point so perfectly by having having both of them take off their masks in at least the visual sense. I also like the underlying idea of Bruce finally finding a reason to grow up and move away from his fetish -- finding love as a reason to move beyond the never-ending mourning process of the loss in his childhood (ironically he finds this in a woman who might be argued as dead herself in some capacity within the film's ambiguous and horrific text on this matter post-Shreck) -- and the tragedy of this is made clear by Selina's rejection and/or inabality to do the same with her other side, leaving Wayne in my view even more fractured than he was before in the film's finale.

CFE

[JLBats]

Just rewatched, really good film.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

I really enjoy that they decided to set the story in winter, during Christmas holidays. It was never seen before seen in a superhero film at my knowledge. This was only a point in all those that made of that film a unique and original masterpiece!
Also mixing those three animal psychotic troubled dilemic characters together was a friggin good idea to me!!!

[Red Mask]

Gotham...

While the script went through development, Burton and DiNovi assembled a crew, mostly of alumni from earlier Burton films, including director of Photography Stefan Szapsky, Chuck Gaspar, and composer Danny Elfman. Those first to be brought on board were production designer Bo Welch and art directors Rick Heinrichs and Tom Duffield, who labored on Gotham's decadent surroundings for over a year.
Welch was faced with modifying the late Anton Furst's darkly vibrant designs for the first film. ''I don't feel we were chained to the first movie,'' he says. ''We basically worked within the same parameters: that Gotham is a dark caricature of a city. But our approach was a little more loose and fun. The first one to me was very nostalgic; ours was more fascist. That's why we blankened everything in snow: it radically changes the environment by giving things a stronger black and white contrast.''

According to Heinrichs, who describes the new Gotham as Nazi architect ''Albert Speer with a little Dr. Suess thrown in,'' the approach reflects the expressionist influence that has surfaced in various Burton-Heinrichs collaborations dating back to their 1982 black-and-white short, VINCENT. ''German Expressionism has always been a great way of using light and shadow to make a visual statement. To a degree, we drained some of the colors in this movie to give the city a muted, more oppressive and claustrophobic quality. It's a way of visually adding subtlety.''

Borrowing from sources like the Rockefeller Center and the neo-fascist World's Fair, Welch and the art directors concocted a phantasmagoric conglomerate of colorful decadence. ''We wanted Gotham to represent the old American city - rotted, corrupt, and full of character and life,'' he explains. ''There had to be the juxtaposition of old and new, and decay and fascism, like in Gotham Plaza where you have these poor citizens trying to celebrate Christmas with this beautiful 40-foot tree stuck in the middle of the dreariest, most imposing buildings we could fit on the sound stage.''

That's a great analysis. I really loved the sets in this film. But I think Gotham is more scary when it's night time. In the day all those imposing buildings are not so dreary but impressive. The capitalist decadence is well expressed in this film, juxtaposing its characters brilliantly.

[snwboarder88]

Gotham+Night+Snow= Amazing site to see

[The Black Mask]

loved these moments.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michael_keaton/batman2.jpg

http://gning.org/comix/BATMAN4.jpg

[Mr.E.Nygma]

loved these moments.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michael_keaton/batman2.jpg

http://gning.org/comix/BATMAN4.jpg


Well I agree with you only to mention the fact that your last picture comes from the first B89 as everyone knows, it is very powerful. But isn't that thread dedicated to BR only? Anyway this was not a big deviation on the main subject.

[Catgirl]

Batman Returns is my Favorite movie in the whole world! Even though they changed the story of Catwoman around, I find it easy not to nitpick, and just enjoy the movie. I love the dark comedy, chemistry between Bruce/Selina, the evil Penguin who is a little wishy-washy, and the Politician (Max). It such a fun movie and I can watch that movie everyday and not get tired of it (trust me, I've done it). It's the best movie in the world! (only my opinion).

[Two-Face]

Batman Returns is my Favorite movie in the whole world! Even though they changed the story of Catwoman around, I find it easy not to nitpick, and just enjoy the movie. I love the dark comedy, chemistry between Bruce/Selina, the evil Penguin who is a little wishy-washy, and the Politician (Max). It such a fun movie and I can watch that movie everyday and not get tired of it (trust me, I've done it). It's the best movie in the world! (only my opinion).


Batman Returns is good film to watch I like the Burton Batman movies but I got to ask: have you seen Batman Begins?

[Psycho_Sith]

Batman Returns is good film to watch I like the Burton Batman movies but I got to ask: have you seen Batman Begins?

No doubt...or read the comics?

[Guason]

I have and still think Returns is better, got a problem?

[Guason]

One of the reasons I love BR so much was because the romance was indeed impressive, I´d take it any day over Spiderman 2´s.

[WhiteRat]

The only good thing about that horrible Batman Returns movie is Michelle Phieffer as catwoman.

[Spider-Hiker]

Batman Returns was pure crap, even worse than Batman and Robin. What was Burton thinking? "Hmm, I gave them a fat Joker, now I'll give them an even worse Penguin??? *slaps Tim Burton* I mean seriously, did Burton say to himself, "Hey, I'm going to take the worst and most boring Batman villan in the world and put him in another crappy Batman film???" Was that his motivation for this lame film, I mean movie. Batman Returns doesn't deserve to be considered a film.

[DarkKnightJRK]

Batman Returns was pure crap, even worse than Batman and Robin. What was Burton thinking? "Hmm, I gave them a fat Joker, now I'll give them an even worse Penguin??? *slaps Tim Burton* I mean seriously, did Burton say to himself, "Hey, I'm going to take the worst and most boring Batman villan in the world and put him in another crappy Batman film???" Was that his motivation for this lame film, I mean movie. Batman Returns doesn't deserve to be considered a film.

Penguin was lame? S**t, Penguin is at his best in the film. Better than all the other stuff he's been in before. I mean, take the current Penguin out, put any lameass mob guy in it, and you'd have the same f**king story. I'd rather read a false Christ figure than a lameass.

And motivation? F**k, did you even PAY ATTENTION to the f**king movie? He wanted to find his humanity, and after society turns his back on him (for the second time), he completely snaps and wants to destroy everything "normal" in the city. Jesus Christ, is that so f**king hard to understand?

[darkknightlife]

the movie is one of my fav i really dont understand ppl always bashing these batman movies and then call them selfs bat fans true some were not as good as others but a true fan would love them all just my two cents and some of you need to go to film school and stop bit*hn

[Sauron]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michael_keaton/batman2.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michelle_pfeiffer/batman5.jpg

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I love the scene with Bruce in front of the signal. I'd like the movie if the Penguin wasn't turned into a freak with the problem of being in a warm place like Mr. Freeze.

[Spider-Hiker]

Penguin was lame? S**t, Penguin is at his best in the film. Better than all the other stuff he's been in before. I mean, take the current Penguin out, put any lameass mob guy in it, and you'd have the same f**king story. I'd rather read a false Christ figure than a lameass.

And motivation? F**k, did you even PAY ATTENTION to the f**king movie? He wanted to find his humanity, and after society turns his back on him (for the second time), he completely snaps and wants to destroy everything "normal" in the city. Jesus Christ, is that so f**king hard to understand?Yes, it is.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Yes, it is.
Then you should open your mind a bit

[Red Mask]

Batman Returns: for the fans of cinema.

[Stu]

What`s the name of the song when Bruce and Celina dance(Max`s party)?

p.s. The Movie Rocks:supes:

[Batwing6655]

What`s the name of the song when Bruce and Celina dance(Max`s party)?

p.s. The Movie Rocks:supes:

the song is called "face to face" and its done by the punk/goth band "siouxie and the banshee's". GREAT song, and very romantic IMO. did you like it? if so, its just a great song. i went through this pahse that i would listen to it once or twice almost everyday, its a beautful awsome song.

[Reevz666]

just in case anyone was interested:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6439020035&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

[snwboarder88]

cool..im to lazy to do the ebay thing though

[El Payaso]

Batman Returns was pure crap, even worse than Batman and Robin. What was Burton thinking? "Hmm, I gave them a fat Joker, now I'll give them an even worse Penguin??? *slaps Tim Burton* I mean seriously, did Burton say to himself, "Hey, I'm going to take the worst and most boring Batman villan in the world and put him in another crappy Batman film???" Was that his motivation for this lame film, I mean movie. Batman Returns doesn't deserve to be considered a film.

He thougth, a great original movie will give the losers something to complain about.

[GyLocke]

I'm watching BR on TV right now, and I have to say it's better than what I remembered. I liked BB but but BR is much closer to me for some reason.
It's a very brave movie for a superhero flick, all the actors are awsome and givin their best.
As a "Batman adaptation" Begins is probably the best of the five, but as a "movie" Batman Returns takes the prize.
And the music... Awsome.

[Batwing6655]

He thougth, a great original movie will give the losers something to complain about.

LMAO. too true.:o

[Batwing6655]

I'm watching BR on TV right now, and I have to say it's better than what I remembered. I liked BB but but BR is much closer to me for some reason.
It's a very brave movie for a superhero flick, all the actors are awsome and givin their best.
As a "Batman adaptation" Begins is probably the best of the five, but as a "movie" Batman Returns takes the prize.
And the music... Awsome.

same here brotha, same here.:) :up:

[Lienlien]

Any chance of some Max Shreck pics? There doesn't seem to be many around

[Batwing6655]

Any chance of some Max Shreck pics? There doesn't seem to be many around

i just tried google to see if i can find any sheck pics, but all i got were a billion photo's of this guy:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3020/nosferatus0wf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and i found 2 pics of the BR max shreck but it said "cannot display page". stupid google.:down

im sure someone has some screencaps.

[The Black Mask]

The Batman

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michael_keaton/batman3.jpg

[Batwing6655]

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9648/returns198gg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/874/returns219fp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

pwned.:)

[snwboarder88]

Any chance of some Max Shreck pics? There doesn't seem to be many around

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/max.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/?)

[Lienlien]

i just tried google to see if i can find any sheck pics, but all i got were a billion photo's of this guy:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3020/nosferatus0wf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

and i found 2 pics of the BR max shreck but it said "cannot display page". stupid google.:down

im sure someone has some screencaps.

Good old Nosferatu! Thanks for looking anyway

[Lienlien]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/max.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/?)


"How did you open protected files....may I ask?"

Cool. Thanx

[snwboarder88]

no prob bro

[Mr. Socko]

Batman Returns had a great cast, it was the darkest Batman film yet. It reminds me of a graphic novel unlike Batman Forever which reminds me of a campy film but I still enjoy them both.

[Red Mask]

I'm watching BR on TV right now, and I have to say it's better than what I remembered. I liked BB but but BR is much closer to me for some reason.
It's a very brave movie for a superhero flick, all the actors are awsome and givin their best.
As a "Batman adaptation" Begins is probably the best of the five, but as a "movie" Batman Returns takes the prize.
And the music... Awsome.


Right on, Gylocke! Right on! :up:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

To everyone, I have 2 questions. Now it's really not my first watching, I watch it since I am a kid and something I was disturbed about is the first fight Cat/Bat scene. Through all these years I watched it, I didn't get it every time :

what was the blue thing that Bats throws to Catwaoman?
and after

What does happen to them? In a sense that he was suppose to be lower than her, she falls back to a slinding rooftop and he rescues her as if he was upper and though he landed on somthing that seems lower??!!

So can someone explain me this scene gently please?

[El Payaso]

To everyone, I have 2 questions. Now it's really not my first watching, I watch it since I am a kid and something I was disturbed about is the first fight Cat/Bat scene. Through all these years I watched it, I didn't get it every time :

what was the blue thing that Bats throws to Catwaoman?
and after

What does happen to them? In a sense that he was suppose to be lower than her, she falls back to a slinding rooftop and he rescues her as if he was upper and though he landed on somthing that seems lower??!!

So can someone explain me this scene gently please?

Catwoman explains later it was Napalm.

Batman throw her down. She fell over a roof and Batman let go off Catwoman's whip and fell over a cornice right over the roof Catwoman was in. In fact it wasn't a roof like in the top of the bulding but a roof lower the top, a prominent roof in the wall, a projecting roof in the same buiolding they were fighting in.

[Two-Face]

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9648/returns198gg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/874/returns219fp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

pwned.:)

in the second pic he looks evil. :o

[BatmanTisGirly]

BATMAN SUCKS you really should get a new life

[Two-Face]

BATMAN SUCKS you really should get a new life


Would you like to be banned? :mad:

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Catwoman explains later it was Napalm.

Batman throw her down. She fell over a roof and Batman let go off Catwoman's whip and fell over a cornice right over the roof Catwoman was in. In fact it wasn't a roof like in the top of the bulding but a roof lower the top, a prominent roof in the wall, a projecting roof in the same buiolding they were fighting in.Well she seemed to fall back as Batman was let himself drop front... I didn't notice when Catwoman explains it is Napalm

[Bat Attack]

Batman Returns is such an awesome movie!it feels so mysterious and dark, especially because it takes place in the winter time.

[Sauron]

Returns is a horrible follow up to Batman. The Penguin was ruined, those midgets in emperor penguin costumes are so stupid, all in all weird.

[Batwing6655]

Returns is a horrible follow up to Batman. The Penguin was ruined, those midgets in emperor penguin costumes are so stupid, all in all weird.

actually, it has very mcuh to do with penguin, as he has a very big "bird" fetish. its part of the character, in the film and comics. you probably just dont like penguin in general, cuz if you did, you wouldnt be complaining. penguin is penguin, end of story.

and i agree HarleenQuinzel90, Batman Returns is an awsome Batman film. ppl just dont get it is cuz they are brain washed by BB. its sad.:(

[The Black Mask]

i need to watch batman returns again.. it's been such a while since i've seen it.

[Red Mask]

i need to watch batman returns again.. it's been such a while since i've seen it.

Watch it in widescreen format. Get the full exposure.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

^^YESSSSSSSSSS! It's seriously more beautiful in widescreen...Than again you only have to wait 5 days to get it!!!

[The Black Mask]

cool. i will be buying three batman movies tuesday.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

^^You learned well my young padawan... lol

[Sauron]

actually, it has very mcuh to do with penguin, as he has a very big "bird" fetish. its part of the character, in the film and comics. you probably just dont like penguin in general, cuz if you did, you wouldnt be complaining. penguin is penguin, end of story.

and i agree HarleenQuinzel90, Batman Returns is an awsome Batman film. ppl just dont get it is cuz they are brain washed by BB. its sad.:(
You made no sense at all. I like the Penguin but that wasn't him in Returns that was some goth Burton character that should be in one of his stop motion movies, you're the one brain washed by Burton. 89 was good but this crap is in no way a sequel to that great movie. I know Oswald's into birds, those penguins in the movie looked fake and stupid.

[snwboarder88]

has anyone bought the dvd yet? if so, was it worth getting the new version or is the orginal dvd all you need?

[Proximo]

You made no sense at all. I like the Penguin but that wasn't him in Returns that was some goth Burton character that should be in one of his stop motion movies, you're the one brain washed by Burton. 89 was good but this crap is in no way a sequel to that great movie. I know Oswald's into birds, those penguins in the movie looked fake and stupid.

True,Batman Returns isnt a sequal, If you have watched the new SE DVD, Burton says this is not a sequal in any means that it takes off right after B89, What he means is it can be 10-15 years after B89 took place.
So its not a sequal as you said.

Most of the Penguins in the movie was real life penguins, mixed whit fake puppets and midgets in penguin suits, The main reason that is, is because they used 4 diffrent Penguiins in the movie, All penguins isnt in the same size since its diffrent spieces.

Everyone have their own opinion, And i think.. the main reason people say Batman Returns isnt a good batman movie.. Is because they dont get the plot.
Its not exactly a kid movie as Burton said, So a little thinking is needed in this movie to figure out that its really a masterpiece:up:

[Proximo]

has anyone bought the dvd yet? if so, was it worth getting the new version or is the orginal dvd all you need?

I have the new DVD, Its well worth it.
****load of extra stuff.. and thats what you are paying for.
Not only that.. the Movie quality is much better also, It looks to be recorded this year and not 1992, Very big diffrence then the original DVD version.

[Redskulled]

Ok I am going to describe a couple things so please bare with me. First of all I got to say yes, Batman Returns is easily the best of the batman movies, followed only by Batman 89.

I saw it in 1992, like alot of you I am sure, and I was nine at the time, or eight,...but anyways, I thought it was so awesome and perfect. After the movie ended I was excited cause I thhought, great Batman 3, bring on Keaton, Burton, and maybe Catwoman would be in it, which I dreamed would happen. Of couse if that did happen you could only get Michelle for the character, all others are just substitutes for the real thing.

But alas it didn't happen and we get Batman Forever. What I don't understand is I saw this movie with my mom and dad, (BR) my dad thought it was hilarious, when Batman lite the devil guy on fire and put the bomb on the big muscular guy. My mom liked it to, and I didn't at all find it scary, so why was Warner and Micky-D saying "Oh its to dark for kids". That is complete and utter BS! It seems like right when Hollywood gets a great formula, they have to **** it up! It happened in Superman, and it, unfortunatly, happened in Batman.

And it wasn't until seeing Batman Returns that I definetly understood, that Keaton was, and will always be Batman, end of story. His potrayal in BR just clicked with me, it seemed better then Batman 89. Heres hoping somehow, someway Burton comes back and makes another Batman movie with Keaton...I can dream...can't I?

[HalloweenRes]

Just watched this movie the other night. I can honestly say that this is the most fun of all of the Batman Films next to Batman Begins. Tim Burton is a creative genious, and Micheal Keton did a great job in the film. However, I will admit, that the ONLY problem I have with this movie was the ending. I thought it was a bit weak, do to the fact that Batman doesn't actually SAVE the city. He doesn't actually BRING the villians to JUSTICE.. The villans end up outsting themselves out. I mean, Catwomen zaps Shreck, causeing the generator to explode and thus, destroyed. This is what killed the Penquin off. I didn't realize it when I was a kid. Without his air, he died. He was a cold blooded penquin, and obviously, needed that cold climate. Interesting though the way they decided to do that. However, I still think the ending lacked a bit. It was awsome watching the Penquin rise from the sewage though! Bad ass! Very creepy looking. I remember seeing that in the previews and thinking, "What in the heck was that?" I thought it was really neat looking! Again, just a very fun, fun, movie! Visually, the best Batman to date, next to Begins!

[Redskulled]

I have to admit its kind of say watching the end of BR knowing what follows after it...:(


and knowing that the Selina Kyle/Bruce Wayne relationship will never be resolved...

[Morgoth]

[quote=snwboarder88]http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman_returns/michael_keaton/batman2.jpg



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I watch it during the Christmas season along with the other specials. Good Batman movie and good Christmas movie.:)

[Sabotage8475]

First of all I got to say yes, Batman Returns is easily the best of the batman movies, followed only by Batman 89.

Well there's something I can agree with. :)

[Batwing6655]

Batman Returns is not only a great Batman film, but a great film in general (like Begins). all the actors really put there all into it, and alot of ppl and critics still feel michelle pfeiffer should have gotten nomintated for an oscar for BR rather then her other film that year, "love field", which she was. and danny devitos penguin was genius, IMO there WAS nothing to ruin as the penguin character was boring and useless as hell till burton came along.

also, the fact that it takes place around christmas gives it a very emotional feel, as that is a time of careing and giveing and love, yet all this mischief and mayhem is happening between all these characters. veeery interesting take on burtons part, the only Batman film to take place dueing Christmas and have snow, just like BB was the only Batman film to have Batman in rain (and i guess B89 takes place in summer, lol).

also, for anyone who wants to say that BB is darker then BR, IT AINT.

[union_jak]

I love this film for so many different reasons. When I was little (I'm 19 now) I watched it every weekend simply because I was obsessed by it. They say the best lines, the costumes are great (it was the best batsuit, and at least you could see that Selina made her own) and the music has to be one of the best in a movie ever. I admire the way Burton was brave enough to show Catwoman treated like she was, you hardly ever see violence against women, let alone how it ended. I was definately on her side throughout the film. The ending is sad, unlike the usual generic finalies, which makes it refreshing to watch.
It's a fantasy, fairy tale film, but I believe it does Batman justice, people complain that it had nothing to do with Batman, but I think it has all the essential ingredients needed. Some people say the Penguin was nothing like his comic book character, that coming from a sewer was stupid, but he was a funny looking man who tried to be respectable in public, while being a crime boss in private. Same as the comics.
In my eyes this film is perfect, clearly not for children, but still perfect.

[neobido9999]

I liked BR. I initally had trouble with the bizzarro approach to the penguin, but as many have stated in other threads, as well as burton himself, it made the character much more interesting than being just a crime boss

the essence of his character (lowly, down and dirty crime boss aiming for something higher:respect and to be part of the elite) was hightened by making him someone who literally lived in the sewers, and did a deal with the "big guy, the one who runs the show" (who also lived in the highest building aorund) and the reclaiming of his family name addeed to this.

However, whilst I liked the look, the Dickensness nature of him (speaking as someone whos never read Dickens) and his modus operandi, i think the slime, face biting and fish eating were a bit much, as were the army of penguins.

[Shatterghost]

The very best scene in BR

Catwoman: *flip flip flip flip* Meow...

BOOM

[Whack Arnolds]

Batman Returns is not only a great Batman film, but a great film in general (like Begins). all the actors really put there all into it, and alot of ppl and critics still feel michelle pfeiffer should have gotten nomintated for an oscar for BR rather then her other film that year, "love field", which she was. and danny devitos penguin was genius, IMO there WAS nothing to ruin as the penguin character was boring and useless as hell till burton came along.

also, the fact that it takes place around christmas gives it a very emotional feel, as that is a time of careing and giveing and love, yet all this mischief and mayhem is happening between all these characters. veeery interesting take on burtons part, the only Batman film to take place dueing Christmas and have snow, just like BB was the only Batman film to have Batman in rain (and i guess B89 takes place in summer, lol).Agreed. :up:

also, for anyone who wants to say that BB is darker then BR, IT AINT.Not neccessarily. Both are "darker" in different ways. BEGINS is darker in that the concepts of crime, terrorism, and corruption are all very real and quite frightning considering all are to an extent realistic possibilities to happen in ANYONE'S city. Batman Returns is alot darker in terms of look and feel of the film.

[Guason]

Agreed. :up:

Not neccessarily. Both are "darker" in different ways. BEGINS is darker in that the concepts of crime, terrorism, and corruption are all very real and quite frightning considering all are to an extent realistic possibilities to happen in ANYONE'S city. Batman Returns is alot darker in terms of look and feel of the film.
I can see where you come from :up:

[MaskedManJRK]

Not neccessarily. Both are "darker" in different ways. BEGINS is darker in that the concepts of crime, terrorism, and corruption are all very real and quite frightning considering all are to an extent realistic possibilities to happen in ANYONE'S city. Batman Returns is alot darker in terms of look and feel of the film.

I think Returns is fairly realistic, just twisted up and almost comedic in a fun-house mirror kind-of way.

[Two-Face]

Batman Returns is very good movie but Batman wasn't in it that much and Burton focused on the villians more then Batman himself neverless it's not crap like Batman & Robin.

[Nightwing]

Batman Returns is going to be on tonight at 8 for those of you who want to watch it for the 11th time like me lol!

Its one of the best Batman films.

[Palpadious]

A&E raped this movie if you watched it last night. I caught it in the middle and they edited out the scene where he spies on the Penguin from the Batmobile. They also edited most of the fight scenes in the town square.
I was disgusted so I turned it off.

[Redskulled]

they also edited out the part where penquin gets up from the water after falling, so in that case its assumed he just died from the fall...

[Nightwing]

I noticed that.Those were some of my favorite scenes from the film.I watched it twice last night on A&E.

[union_jak]

That's quite odd really, yesterday I watched batman Returns (again, for like the 1000th time!), but it was on DVD. I live in the UK, so I haven't got A & E, and didn't know it was going to be shown. But what with Christmas, I felt like it was a good film to watch!

[TheGrayGhost]

He may be at times, but that post wasn't. If you don't have anything nice to say about BR, I suggest you fornicate yourself with a steel pipe to save us the trouble.

Back to Batman Returns.

It's called "The Official Batman Returns Thread." ANYTHING about Batman Returns can be discussed.

I personally think that everyone involved in the production of Batman Returns needs to stay several oceans and countries away from another Batman movie.

[TheGrayGhost]

Batman Returns is not only a great Batman film, but a great film in general (like Begins). all the actors really put there all into it, and alot of ppl and critics still feel michelle pfeiffer should have gotten nomintated for an oscar for BR rather then her other film that year, "love field", which she was. and danny devitos penguin was genius, IMO there WAS nothing to ruin as the penguin character was boring and useless as hell till burton came along.

also, the fact that it takes place around christmas gives it a very emotional feel, as that is a time of careing and giveing and love, yet all this mischief and mayhem is happening between all these characters. veeery interesting take on burtons part, the only Batman film to take place dueing Christmas and have snow, just like BB was the only Batman film to have Batman in rain (and i guess B89 takes place in summer, lol).

also, for anyone who wants to say that BB is darker then BR, IT AINT.

Why not? I'll maybe agree that BR is visually darker than BB, but as far as actual substance, BB reigns.

[TheGrayGhost]

good for you, now if your not gonna praise BR, then dont spam here it gets annoying and from all your previous posts i think we ALL know your opinion on things.:rolleyes:

Dude... come on.

EDIT: Triple post. Man this thread is slow.

[TheGrayGhost]

My main problems with BR were a total lack of focus and story. Was it about Batman? No. Was it about Penguin, Catwoman, Christopher Walken?

Not really, it focuses on them at different points and switches between plot points eratically. None of the characters are given full development. MAYBE Penguin. At least he had a (slight) reason for what he was doing. But even then... where did that whole Penguin character come from?! He seemed almost more like Killer Croc then Penguin. And then there's Catwoman, who falls, wakes up and is psychotic. Then at the end... what the hell was up with the army of Penguins? That is not any part of a serious movie, nor does it belong in a Batman film. Maybe the 60s series, but these supposedly serious movies. And again, what the hell did this film have to do with the source material?

Ultimately I find it truely odd that some fans are so reverent of these movies when the Spider-Man movies are still getting bashed for ORGANIC WEBSHOOTERS.:confused: At least those films focused on the actual titular character. And ultimately, these films miss the tone of Batman COMPLETELY. In my opinion, this is a bad film that doesn't take it's characters seriously, doesn't take it's plot seriously, and at some points disrespects the audience's intelligence.

I second that. Very well said...

On a different subject, have you heard anything recently about a new episode of JLU airing? I'm assuming you watch the show because of your SN.

[Batman911]

Batman returns... dont flame me or anything but for some reason I dont like it as much. The big ending with catwoman looking up at the bat signal just never really did it for me. It does seem alittle too dark at times. Actually, I prefer Forever more than this. Anyone else feel that way about returns?

[Nightwing]

Batman Returns will always be one of the best Batman movies,I loved Penguin and Catwoman in it.The whole theme of Batman is dark,in fact it could have been darker.And I enjoyed the ending of BR only cause when she looked up at it you thought to yourslef that she might return and that she was alive.

Sorry but I disagree with you.

[Supermaniac]

Batman Returns is a great film. I think that it even surpasses the original Batman89 which is suprising since most sequels tend to not be as good as the first movie. It was a dark film too which made it even more enjoyable as Batman IS a dark character. The differences between the Penguin from the comics and the Penguin from Batman Returns were suprising and drastically different but Burton managed to make it work. People complain too much about Batman Returns and say how its not as good as its hyped up to be but I highly disagree. I don't care if this isn't the definitive Batman movie for you or not. It was a great film directed by a great director. And anyone who doesn't like it should simply direct their attention towards Batman & Robin and then tell me what a bad Batman film looks like.
Aside from Batman Begins, Batman Returns is my favorite Batman film. It was on A&E last night although since I have seen it about 5000000000 times I decided to watch Home Alone Lost In New York instead, only tuning into BR when it was a commerical.
But yes Batman Returns rocks!!!!!!!

[Nightwing]

Batman Returns is a great film. I think that it even surpasses the original Batman89 which is suprising since most sequels tend to not be as good as the first movie. It was a dark film too which made it even more enjoyable as Batman IS a dark character. The differences between the Penguin from the comics and the Penguin from Batman Returns were suprising and drastically different but Burton managed to make it work. People complain too much about Batman Returns and say how its not as good as its hyped up to be but I highly disagree. I don't care if this isn't the definitive Batman movie for you or not. It was a great film directed by a great director. And anyone who doesn't like it should simply direct their attention towards Batman & Robin and then tell me what a bad Batman film looks like.
Aside from Batman Begins, Batman Returns is my favorite Batman film. It was on A&E last night although since I have seen it about 5000000000 times I decided to watch Home Alone Lost In New York instead, only tuning into BR when it was a commerical.
But yes Batman Returns rocks!!!!!!!

Well said. :up:

[Anita18]

Just saw this last night on A&E. I saw parts of it when I was really young (7?) and I recall that the dead face of Max Shreck gave me nightmares for years. Damn you Tim Burton for scarring my childhood!

Anyhow, since I'm much older now (almost 22, haha) I figured I could take it, just as recently seeing B89 convinced me that I was a serious scaredy-kid way back when. :p Not as frightening as I remember...

I actually spent more time chuckling while watching this movie than doing anything else. I think penguins are adorable and watching little Adelies waddle around with bombs, being a threat to Gotham was too much. And the rubber ducky Penguinmobile? And posing done by...everyone? Right.

I'm a huge BB fan so I'm probably very very biased, but I could tell that this was a Burton film, even if I hadn't known beforehand. It has his fingerprints all over it. There were craning shots and set pieces that seemed to be taken directly from Nightmare Before Christmas and Edward Scissorhands. I read someplace that described B89 and BR as Burton movies that happen to involve Batman rather than Batman movies made by Burton, and I really have to agree. I didn't feel anything for any of the characters, except for Catwoman, since I feel I'm similar sometimes LOL.

Anyhow, it is very very dark, but it was also campy while being dark. Dark enough to scare my 7-or-so-year-old self, but campy enough to make it a fun (and even funny) movie to watch in my 20's. However, I'm still firmly in the BB camp and now I really truly appreciate Nolan's drive to make his Batman more realistic. I've always related more to movies (or books or music or whatever) that could happen in real life, but that's just the way I am. Plus I'm sort of blase how Burton decided to push the Bruce Wayne/Batman duality, that Bruce has to be Batman because he's inherently odd. I found it much more tragic in BB when Bruce uses Batman as a tool. He just seems more determined about it.

[Redskulled]

Anyone who says the schumacer films were better then the burton ones needs to have a lobatomy prontoe!

BR rules, B89 is second, and BB is third only because the Schumacher filmes are so terrible!:down

[Two-Face]

Batman (1989) is best out of four movies Jack Nicholson was the Joker "you wouldn't hit a man with glasses huh huh??" Batman Returns is my second favourite movie.

1.Batman (1989) (if you don't count BB)
2.Batman Returns
3.Batman Forever (it's better then you know what I enjoyed Kidman & Kilmer chemistry)

I'm not even putting that **** here.

[Batwing6655]

Batman Returns is a great film. I think that it even surpasses the original Batman89 which is suprising since most sequels tend to not be as good as the first movie. It was a dark film too which made it even more enjoyable as Batman IS a dark character. The differences between the Penguin from the comics and the Penguin from Batman Returns were suprising and drastically different but Burton managed to make it work. People complain too much about Batman Returns and say how its not as good as its hyped up to be but I highly disagree. I don't care if this isn't the definitive Batman movie for you or not. It was a great film directed by a great director. And anyone who doesn't like it should simply direct their attention towards Batman & Robin and then tell me what a bad Batman film looks like.
Aside from Batman Begins, Batman Returns is my favorite Batman film. It was on A&E last night although since I have seen it about 5000000000 times I decided to watch Home Alone Lost In New York instead, only tuning into BR when it was a commerical.
But yes Batman Returns rocks!!!!!!!

totally agree. ppl, please just ignore thegrayghost's comments. obviously just flaming, and since this thread is full of BR fans more then non-fans, i consider this a "BR appreciation" thread. maybe the thread starter should just change the name. as for watching home alone 2, i did the same thing. somehow i have big memories of BR and home alone cuz they came out i think around the same time, and i remember likeing both of them alot when i was smaller. its like somehow, there connected in a weird way, LOL. i have already watched BR a couple of days before, but of course, during commercials i watched. only caught the bit when the batmobile sheds its parts into the batmissle. awsome scene. beats the sh** outta that horrible fake "wall riding" crap in BF, how stupid was THAT. i hate you schuamcher (at least i hate what you did to Batman, how could you!!).

and just so ppl know, i really enjoy and love burtons films more then BB. BB was good, but i wasnt diggin that whole "realistic setting" as thats not how i imagine batman to me. to me, he lives in a kinda surreal gotham city, not a realsistic looking/chicago/new york setting. i always imagined gotham being a unrecognizable city that looks almost like a bad, crowded, nightmarish dream kinda city. in other words, not what nolan created. im not just saying that cuz i LOVE tim burtons gotham, but cuz thats how i always imagined gotham in my own subconcious. but nolans take was aight, just not favorite, or my defienitiove version of batman OR gotham. burtons takes the cake with that. not only is he a visually awsome director with very iconic scenes and characters, but he also adds alot of depth, darkness, sadness, operatic-ness to the characters and enviroments that i think i hadnt seen until LOTR's. burton is a creative genious, and made, for me at least, the 2 best batman films ever made. when they decided to make a new batman film in 2003, i thought "cool! dark, serious batman with cool action and stuff!", but when i heard that nolan was taking this ultra-realistic appraoch, i got kinda worried. thinking to myself that it was gonna be boring and not much cool action. it turned out to have a great story (even if not entirely faithful), but the action seemed dull. when i watch burtons films, especially BR, i get not only great fun action and almost supernatural, creepy vibe that batman and the villians are supposed to have, but i also get a great emotional story with dark undertones and adult themes and great visuals to top it all off. simply put, batman returns is one of my fav. films not only of batman, but of all time.

[snwboarder88]

this threads been lost so im bumping it up...


Batman Rules haha

[Bat Attack]

I forgot about this thread, Thanks for bumping it!

[snwboarder88]

no prob... long live batman returns! haha

[Sandman138]

Why not? I'll maybe agree that BR is visually darker than BB, but as far as actual substance, BB reigns.

Bull****. A man moping around for two hours vs. a man realizing he's hiding behind the face of a monster for security. Returns is definatly darker.

[CConn]

A movie with a half human/half Penguin man waddling around trying to murder children is darker than the both of those things.

[Sandman138]

A movie with a half human/half Penguin man waddling around trying to murder children is darker than the both of those things.

Also true, I was just noting that I think the themes in Returns were much more sinister than Begins.

[Whack Arnolds]

Returns is a very dark film, probably the darkest of the bunch. But just because it is extremely dark, does not mean its the best. It is however a very good film.

[Sandman138]

Batman Returns is very good movie but Batman wasn't in it that much and Burton focused on the villians more then Batman himself neverless it's not crap like Batman & Robin.

I hate it when people complain that Batman wasn't in Returns enough. His presence permeated every scene in that movie. It's about drawing connections.

The best thing about it is that it represents all the characteristics of Bruce Wayne. Gotham is Bruce Wayne's mind. The Penguin is the outcast orphan. Max Shreck is the powerful business man. And Catwoman is the angry vigilante. They all work with each other at some points, but they never all work together, and eventually they destroy each other. How dark and disturbing is that? Incredible stuff.

The viliians externalized conflicts in Batman. Ecspecially in Returns. Shreck externalized his helplessness as Bruce Wayne, Penguin externalized the monster that Bruce was hiding behind in Batman, and Catwoman externalized his inability to reconcile his humanity with the persona he had created for himself. The story is still about Batman.
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