What is the highest power class Hulk would tend to take a majority against?

[Jimmy-San]

Well, we know DH and RH think it's Celestial or Galactus-level ... But to the majority of posters here: where would you put it? Obviously Hulk can win more often than not against the more physical Thor-class guys, but I think most of us see the ones like Surfer, who use more esoteric powers, as taking him the majority.


Barring occasional good/bad matchups for him, where do you generally see him fitting?



Personally, I always saw Iron Man as being at the top of the second tier, with Wonder Woman, Wonder Man, Barda, Zauriel, etc. close behind. However, I see Hulk taking a majority against each of these beings, and most at their power level. I was thinking Hulk may well merit his own power class, above the top of the second tier, but not really quite with the prominent Heralds. This is, of course, taking into account his healing factor and rage factor giving him the dynamic power advantage.


-Jimmy

[Jonathanos]

Pre-Nutso Genis sounds good to me.

[X]

You place Zauriel that high? I mean, he had a nice little variety of powers, low superhuman strength, nice sword... What did he ever do to really impress you? :confused:

I really don't know where to place The Hulk in this instance, honestly. I'd have to think on it.

[Masterfungus]

Hulk's hard to place. I'd place him herald level or higher for his raw planet smashing feats of strength and durability, but he's also been shown to be extremely vulnerable to the cosmics, at least to the Surfer, and to a certain Sorcerer Supreme. It seems to me, judging from all their stalemates, that Marvel views him as Thor's equal, i.e., top of the top tier, greatest in sheer physical strength but lacking other powers, and that's probably fine. He's basically like a really powerful atomic bomb that can do all sorts of damage, but can also be defused by the right approach (i.e., Surfer's). (I don't know if Rom's inability to suck the gamma out of him means anything with respect to Norrin's ability to do so.)

[X]

Rom isn't exactly the most powerful character around. I remember his neatralizer having some effect anyhow...

But, regardless, very good post. I like the descreption of The Hulk in general. Respectful, but modest. :)

[DevilHulk]

Well, we know DH and RH think it's Celestial or Galactus-level ...



-Jimmy

sorry No, hulk is not above celestial beings, but sure,and the majority of Marvel Fans agrees with me, hulk is above DarkSeid.

So chose a class in which you general put Darkseid,the hulk is in the class above.

[DevilHulk]

Hulk's hard to place. I'd place him herald level or higher

the majority agrees with this

[X]

the majority agrees with this

Wonderful job editing and therefore slaughtering what he said. Why don't you put your assumptions to the test? Make a poll anywhere on The Hype, you'll see what the majority thinks. Just like in The Hulk vs. Flash thread you made, and not suprisingly, lost.

sorry No, hulk is not above celestial beings, but sure,and the majority of Marvel Fans agrees with me, hulk is above DarkSeid.

So chose a class in which you general put Darkseid,the hulk is in the class above.

How would you know, really? :confused:

Really, start a poll. You'll see who agrees with you...

[DevilHulk]

Wonderful job editing and therefore slaughtering what he said. Why don't you put your assumptions to the test? Make a poll anywhere on The Hype, you'll see what the majority thinks. Just like in The Hulk vs. Flash thread you made, and not suprisingly, lost.



How would you know, really? :confused:

Really, start a poll. You'll see who agrees with you...

this is a hulk related board, the hulk is losing the poll against Flash(21-29) till now, do you agree with this ? oh,here we go.....

now let me explain why the hulk is losing that poll: hulk is not losing that poll, i'm losing that poll against your multialias and many supporters.I admit i have less supporters than you. :) and they all voted against me,except few exceptions.

Open the same thread on hulkmovie.board another hulk related thread where you have no slaves that put votes for you ........i bet all my money the hulk would beat Flash , you know too he would win since most of them agree with me and you know it better than me.......they kicked (all) your ass time ago.

to summarize:

we have 2 hulk related boards:in the first board the hulk is losing a poll , in the other he wins ( he won a poll against Mangog who is light year to Flash....)

why this difference? because there are no slaves, just like here you have.People votes who thinks should win,people votes for the hulk.
Deal with it and enjoy your slaves-victory !!



anyway 29-21
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6190095#post6190095


so there are at least 21 persons agreed with me about the fact that the hulk should beat Flash more times than not,considering your and Jonathanos opinion " Flash owns anyone since his opponent should be a statue" i can be happy of that results!

:) strange that 29 persons voted Flash but only you,Jonathanos,Elrah and few others explained your argument(even if really weak) i did not see 29 opinions and reasons why the hulk should lose.....the power of multialias ? :D :D

[X]

I didn't see 21 reasons that The Hulk would win either. I've seen a vaste amount more explanations as to why The Flash would win almost every time, but nothing from you, nothing comic related anyhow, and Rod keeps swearing by the thunderclap. Not very convincing. As opposed to the Flash thread link that was given showing numerous Flash feats, laying out Mongul, ect ect.

[DevilHulk]

I didn't see 21 reasons that The Hulk would win either. I've seen a vaste amount more explanations as to why The Flash would win almost every time, but nothing from you, nothing comic related anyhow, and Rod keeps swearing by the thunderclap. Not very convincing. As opposed to the Flash thread link that was given showing numerous Flash feats, laying out Mongul, ect ect.


start with this and learn something :up:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1225/170zu.jpg

that girl was not moving as a truck(since you and jonathanos said that Quicksilver could move fast as a truck when the hulk tagged him) the hulk tagged her,the hulk owned her.Strenght always beats speed.

[X]

You're comparing someone that moves around seven hundred miles an hour and is unexperienced to someone who can move much faster than 186,000 miles a second? She was running in a circle as well.

Show me some real proof. Jonathanos showed several scans... You post one out of continuity fight with an inexperienced, slow speedster running in circles and I'm supposed to be impressed?

[Gamma Warrior]

Hulk's hard to place. I'd place him herald level or higher for his raw planet smashing feats of strength and durability, but he's also been shownil to be extremely vulnerable to the cosmics, at least to the Surfer, and to a certain Sorcerer Supreme. It seems to me, judging from all their stalemates, that Marvel views him as Thor's equal, i.e., top of the top tier, greatest in sheer physical strength but lacking other powers, and that's probably fine. He's basically like a really powerful atomic bomb that can do all sorts of damage, but can also be defused by the right approach (i.e., Surfer's). (I don't know if Rom's inability to suck the gamma out of him means anything with respect to Norrin's ability to do so.)
I completly agree with that.You cant measure the Hulk's power,because 90% of the tme Hulk is a wild card.

[newmexneon]

start with this and learn something :up:



that girl was not moving as a truck(since you and jonathanos said that Quicksilver could move fast as a truck when the hulk tagged him) the hulk tagged her,the hulk owned her. Strenght always beats speed.

Then why didn't strength beat speed in this instance,

http://onfinite.com/libraries/575975/dbb.jpg

The hulk was to slow to even land a punch on cap. Just shows you how inexperienced the girl in the pic you posted was.

[Jonathanos]

Hulk does connect with the next shot, for the record. But again Cap outspeeds him and blocks it with his shield.

When someone's back is against the wall and he's able to move his entire body out of the way 3 out of 4 times... it's safe to say he's faster than his opponent.

[Sabretooth]

start with this and learn something :up:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1225/170zu.jpg

that girl was not moving as a truck(since you and jonathanos said that Quicksilver could move fast as a truck when the hulk tagged him) the hulk tagged her,the hulk owned her.Strenght always beats speed.
Know what's funny about this?Speed DOES beat strength.You really think Spider-Man would beat Hulk if speed didn't beat strength?

[Jonathanos]

Spider-Man hasn't beaten the Hulk. Hulk's strength is too far out of Spider-Man's range.

Spidey's a low level speedster though. That's what Devil and Rod rely on: The Hulk's extremely high-end strength vs. a low end speedster.

[X]

Spider-Man hasn't beaten the Hulk. Hulk's strength is too far out of Spider-Man's range.

Spidey's a low level speedster though. That's what Devil and Rod rely on: The Hulk's extremely high-end strength vs. a low end speedster.

I actually heard Spider-Man did once KO The Hulk for a short time with an all out fury of punches.

Haven't been able to verify this though. Pretty sure it's true though.

[Jonathanos]

Spidey stunned a just-transformed Hulk.

[X]

Was that the comic where The Hulk was feral? Spidey flipped over him, grabbed his back, all that?

[1987olds442]

Hulk's hard to place. I'd place him herald level or higher for his raw planet smashing feats of strength and durability, but he's also been shown to be extremely vulnerable to the cosmics, at least to the Surfer, and to a certain Sorcerer Supreme. It seems to me, judging from all their stalemates, that Marvel views him as Thor's equal, i.e., top of the top tier, greatest in sheer physical strength but lacking other powers, and that's probably fine. He's basically like a really powerful atomic bomb that can do all sorts of damage, but can also be defused by the right approach (i.e., Surfer's).Good post and I have to agree... :up:

[Unthinkable]

I admit i have less supporters than you. :) and they all voted against me,except few exceptions.


The reason X has more supporters is because he actually makes sense, and uses logic in his debates.

Also, I think there are several non-cosmic/herald/genis guys out there who would at least give Hulk a pretty hard time, if not beat him straight up. Off the top of my head, the Fury. Regeneration abilites, along with the ability to adapt to almost any situation, killed an entire planet of superbeings, including Miracleman.

[Jonathanos]

Was that the comic where The Hulk was feral? Spidey flipped over him, grabbed his back, all that?

No. Spidey didn't kayo the Hulk in that.

PAD would later have Samson refer to that story as a dream.

This is Spidey Annual #3.

[X]

No. Spidey didn't kayo the Hulk in that.

PAD would later have Samson refer to that story as a dream.

This is Spidey Annual #3.

Gotcha. Didn't know about the retcon either. :eek:

The reason X has more supporters is because he actually makes sense, and uses logic in his debates.

Also, I think there are several non-cosmic/herald/genis guys out there who would at least give Hulk a pretty hard time, if not beat him straight up. Off the top of my head, the Fury. Regeneration abilites, along with the ability to adapt to almost any situation, killed an entire planet of superbeings, including Miracleman.

I tried The Fury bit a looong time ago on The Hulk boards. They all went ballistic. :o

[Unthinkable]

Gotcha. Didn't know about the retcon either. :eek:



I tried The Fury bit a looong time ago on The Hulk boards. They all went ballistic. :o

My bad. I guess I got catching up to do. :o

[X]

Ah, no, I meant on the Hulkmovie.com boards. I was just saying, I'd mentioned him over a year ago there and they all basically had seizures at the thought. :o

[Unthinkable]

Ah, no, I meant on the Hulkmovie.com boards. I was just saying, I'd mentioned him over a year ago there and they all basically had seizures at the thought. :o

Hahaha, nothing beats a good fanboy reaction at the thought that their favorite character isn't the strongest/smartest/coolest..

[Masterfungus]

Ah, no, I meant on the Hulkmovie.com boards. I was just saying, I'd mentioned him over a year ago there and they all basically had seizures at the thought. :o

All of us?

[X]

90% of you. Are you implying you posted there? I don't remember. Then again, my memory is akin to a 120 year old mans, so hey.

I'm sure I could find the thread, and post a link. I started two vs. threads over there, which were, by and far me messing around and I was basically castrated and burnt at the stake for my heinous crimes.

I still talked to... ah, what was his name. One of the admins there, his real name is Mike.

The hypocrisy really pissed me off. They tot The Hulk as being able to beat everyone under the sun, all high fives and big smiles... But when another characters that's higher up on the food chain is even mentioned (With no malicious intent) everyone stares at you like you killed their pet and throws a hissy fit.

But, hey, whatever.

[Masterfungus]

90% of you. Are you implying you posted there? I don't remember. Then again, my memory is akin to a 120 year old mans, so hey.

Masterfungus = Mastermold :)

Someone here already had the moldy title so I decide to become master of fungus instead. :up:

Anyway, I don't remember the thread specifically, but I do remember about a year or more ago there were some newbies there that wanted to turn the movie board into a battle board, and seemed bent on provoking the obvious fan base. If you got a heated reaction, it may have been that you were (unjustly) associated with that situation. Today, most of the regulars there (except DevilHulk and maybe a few others) don't really care about "vs" threads, and thus they don't generate much interest or posting.

[X]

I posted on those boards for months before though. And I personally don't remember the influx of arsehole newbies... So, feh...

[Jimmy-San]

Devilhulk, please. I didn't say you claimed Hulk beyond Celestials and Galactus. I said you claimed he beats anyone less powerful than Galactus more often than not. And you have. You've included guys like Odin and Thanos as beings you consider below The Hulk in Marvel, so don't pretend you only give him Herald-level power or a bit above. And Hulk vs. Darkseid was not the subject.


BTW, Jon, PAD just made a playful poke at ASM#382. He didn't retcon it. Samson's general comment of a crazy dream involving Spidey and Hulk (without specifically mentioning the events of said ASM) doesn't change the fact that the arc lead directly into Spidey's next storyline, and a few issues later, as Shuruku mentioned at Edge, Spidey recalled the Hulk/Samson incident. Was Samson also dreaming up that arc's involvement of The Jury that lead directly into the next arc, as well as Spidey's own reference to it?


Of course, that wasn't a Spidey win, and was in fact a win for the gamma-virus Hulk (though Spidey pulled some good moves before losing), but that's beside the point.


I think, BTW, it can be argued Spidey won in ASM Annual#3. He had The Hulk beaten for a moment, albeit due to somewhate exenuating circumstances helping him out. The Hulk recovered quickly, but there was a moment where he was completely at Spidey's mercy, and Pete could well have outright KOed him and dragged him back to The Avengers, except he found it morally wrong. I consider that to be a Spidey win, in the same sense as I consider ASM#120 to be a Hulk win. Neither was KOed, and both quickly recovered, but there was a moment in each case where one was at the other's mercy. The main difference is Hulk's win was by sheer virtue of his power, whereas Spidey's win was largely influenced by luck.


Of course, I'd agree Hulk beats Spidey 9/10.


-Jimmy

[X]

Hey Jimmy, ever see that Marvel Fanfare fight where Peter beats The Hulk by coughing in his face? :D

[Jonathanos]

BTW, Jon, PAD just made a playful poke at ASM#382. He didn't retcon it. Samson's general comment of a crazy dream involving Spidey and Hulk (without specifically mentioning the events of said ASM) doesn't change the fact that the arc lead directly into Spidey's next storyline, and a few issues later, as Shuruku mentioned at Edge, Spidey recalled the Hulk/Samson incident. Was Samson also dreaming up that arc's involvement of The Jury that lead directly into the next arc, as well as Spidey's own reference to it?

It wasn't a playful poke. Someone later asked PAD about it and he said that the story just made no sense given the Hulk's status quo and the time so he "made it go away."

PAD's right: with the Hulk being an international criminal, he wouldn't be booking a commercial flight. Besides which, it's not like he didn't have the Pantheon to provide a (faster and more convenient) way home from Loch Ness.

Blame Nightmare is all I can say.

[Jonathanos]

Because the entire story in ASM turned on the notion that the Hulk was flying around to various places on commercial airlines and using commerical airports. This at the time when he was running the Pantheon, had access to their worldwide organization including a variety of air vehicles, and was wanted by SHIELD for criminal actions. The notion that he'd whip out a passport and hop a TWA flight at all, much less unmolested by government agencies, was ridiculous. I hated it. It made no sense. So I made it go away.

http://peterdavid.malibulist.com/archives/000870.html

[Jimmy-San]

It may have been his intention for it to be a retcon, but the actual scene is rather insufficient, IMO, to explain away Spider-Man's own reference to it, and the other things in the issue we know to be real events. I have a rule, personally, that I don't take "writer intent" as being absolutely canon, unless there's something in the issues that allows for it. I guess the Nightmare thing in Tempest Fugit could set it all right with PAD's intent, but I don't think it's really "right" to write the story off until there's definitive on-panel evidence to explain it away. If PAD, say, showed the Spidey/Hulk/Samson story in like a bubble in one of Nightmare's dream thingies, I think it could officially be deemed an on-panel retcon. As it stands, regardless of PAD's intention, IMO what's on-panel is insufficient for it to be deemed a "true" retcon.


And no, X, I never caught that. Been looking for it, though. :) The few Marvel Fanfare issues I own have been good, but it's hard to find some of the more talked about issues of the series at shops. I may eventually look for it on e-bay when I have the time or cash.


-Jimmy

[Jonathanos]

So how'd Hulk get on a commercial airline without hassle?

By that point, he'd invaded a foreign country and overthrown its government and kidnapped a foreign diplomat.

Micheline f***ed up. Badly. Nightmare gives an out for all parties without disrupting continuity.

[Jonathanos]

Oh, and I have the Fanfare issue. Hulk is infected by an alien parasite and Spidey kills it by coughing his flu virus on it. Hulk then passes out.

[Jimmy-San]

I'm not saying Michelinie didn't mess up, but the point is there's obvious things linking the story to Spidey's continuity that aren't explained away by "Oh, it was all just Doc Samson's dream".


Now, Nightmare is indeed a good out, and I think, as a reader, say, we could assume it works that way, OR in fact, we could assume it really was The Pantheon, and the events are real, except Samson imagined the parts of The Hulk's lines that he'd used a commerical airliner ... Y'know, Nightmare world meshing with our own.


I'm just saying that, on message boards, I beleive the "I had a weird dream" scene is insufficient to write off the versus-relevent parts of the story, given the scenes in the story that are obviously canon to Spidey's own continuity.


-Jimmy

[Jonathanos]

The problem with that is, Samson is aware of it being a dream. If Nightmare had simply screwed with Samson's perceptions, he wouldn't think of it as a dream.

Nightmare can manipulate different people in the same dream scenarios. So if Spidey remembers the fight, he could have been manipulated as well.

What's disrupted by the fight scene not occurring? Aunt May hiring the P.I. and Mary Jane's acting scene aren't affected and that's the only things I can think of that happened. The Jury was only mentioned (indirectly) at the end of the story and it had nothing to do with the Hulk/Spidey/Samson fight.

[Arach Knight]

-Hulk's strength is perhaps cosmic level in the least. In Secret Wars he supported the weight of a 150 billion ton mountain while calm (though Reed Richards was pissing him off so that he could continue ot support it).

-Hulk's over all power as a creature, is amazing, but I wouldn't be sure where to place him. I have a comic where even Doc Samson knocks out the Hulk with a single punch to the jaw (only because the Hulk thinks that Doc Samson isn't real at the moment).

-The Hulk would never beat the flash, just like he'd never beat any character that is capable of phasing (J'onn Jonz, Kitty Pyrde, Barry Allen & Wally West etc etc). If the Flash were really evil, he would just phase his hand through Hulk's chest and crush his heart. Or to be comical, he could leave a chopstick in all of the Hulk's major organs. On a basis of speed...the Flash is the fastest (and most ridulous) speester character. He is one with the speed force and is faster than light itself. Hulk has sufficent strength to kill Wally in one blow, without trying...however, he won't ever land that much needed blow.

[Jimmy-San]

I was mainly thinking of the Jury thing. And it's not like certain people haven't known they were affected by Nightmare or been in his dimension before. Spidey himself comes to mind (WOS#6). Samson could have, for instance, gone to sleep later, and Nightmare just blended the event with his dreams, and gave him false memory. Could have simply been to get Samson off The Hulk's case, leaving his plans later in Tempest Fugit unhindered, by erasing an event that had, at the time, left him more determined to "help" Banner.

But that's speculation regardless (though fun speculation), given that Nightmare was never mentioned by Samson or anyone else.


-Jimmy

[Jonathanos]

But what is affected by the loss of the fight? All of the other scenes-- May hiring the PI, MJ losing her on-screen appearance, and the Jury set-up-- could play out as shown without the fight.

In Hulk, Samson was, in fact, ON the Hulk's case very heavily because the Hulk kept skipping out of their sessions. And just when did Samson get the Pantheon's contact info? Supposedly the Pantheon told Samson where to find Hulk. Samson didn't actually interact with a Pantheon member until later.

There's so many holes in the story it's just sad that it ever got approved as written.

[Jimmy-San]

I'm not entirely up on the Hulk continuity of the time, but I think there could be a way to explain away the inconsistencies without chucking the story out wholesale. But again, let me specify I'm speaking as a reader. As for what's "official", until we see Nightmare, I think we basically have a story that's clearly in-continuity due to later reference, with a scene intended to retcon it, but failing to truly do so. That being said, in the realm of reader speculation, yeah we could assume the Nightmare thing you propose off-panel, but I personally just thought it was a pretty entertaining story, setting aside the continuity errors. I'd prefer to speculate in a way that would find an alterior way to put both together without throwing away the gamma virus story entirely.


Oh, and X, Zauriel in JLA/Teen Titans overpowered and owned Bumblebee and Earth Angel Supergirl (the version that somehow beat Despero) at the same time. I'm unaware of where exactly his power has been defined elsewhere, but I was going by that.


-Jimmy

[X]

Oh, and I have the Fanfare issue. Hulk is infected by an alien parasite and Spidey kills it by coughing his flu virus on it. Hulk then passes out.

That was a good comic. Glad to know someone else knows about it too. :)

Oh, and X, Zauriel in JLA/Teen Titans overpowered and owned Bumblebee and Earth Angel Supergirl (the version that somehow beat Despero) at the same time. I'm unaware of where exactly his power has been defined elsewhere, but I was going by that.

-Jimmy

Hmm, didn't know about that. Pretty impressive.

I retract my statement. Still, Zauriel never did anything even remotely impressive in Morrisonn's JLA.

[Franklin Richards]

All I know is that the Thing goes one on one with the Hulk all the time. Win or lose he still takes him on solo and is not a punk. Does that elevate the Thing's status or lower the Hulks?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/FF-112.jpg


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[X]

Neither.

It speaks highly of The Thing's willpower and toughness. Considering he's taken beatings from Gladiator, Terrax, The Champion, and The Surfer, we can gather that he's not exactly a lightweight.

[Franklin Richards]

:up:


I like the sound of that. :D


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[Jonathanos]

That was a good comic. Glad to know someone else knows about it too. :)

And who'd ever expect me to know about Hulk appearances. :D

[X]

:up:


I like the sound of that.

I'm glad. :D ;)

And who'd ever expect me to know about Hulk appearances. :D

Me...?

Maybe...

:( :mad:

[Jonathanos]

You love the ****.

[Unthinkable]

Just throwing ideas out there, but has the Hulk fought people who would use his strength against him, like a Shang Chi? I was just thinking about non-cosmics that could give Hulk a good fight, and I thought that maybe the Karate Kid from the Legion of Superheroes could do pretty well agaisnt the Hulk...

[rigel7soldiers]

The Creeper almost defeated Superboy by using his strength against him...

[Arach Knight]

Just throwing ideas out there, but has the Hulk fought people who would use his strength against him, like a Shang Chi? I was just thinking about non-cosmics that could give Hulk a good fight, and I thought that maybe the Karate Kid from the Legion of Superheroes could do pretty well agaisnt the Hulk...

That is an interesting thought. I wonder how the likes of Strong Guy or Sebastian Shaw, would fare against the Hulk in combat.

[X]

Just throwing ideas out there, but has the Hulk fought people who would use his strength against him, like a Shang Chi? I was just thinking about non-cosmics that could give Hulk a good fight, and I thought that maybe the Karate Kid from the Legion of Superheroes could do pretty well agaisnt the Hulk...

Karate Kid would dominate The Hulk.

We're talking about someone who could "roll with the punches" of 60's Superboy, who used to tow around galaxies worth of planets. He could bat him around, too. Used to spar and throw around Superboy and Timberwolf at the same time too.... Fought and beat the entire Fatal Five by himself, one of it not the nastiest villian teams of all time. He's broken inertron, DC's adamantium, which even some Pre-Crisis characters coulden't deal with.

Prided himself on the efficent, fast take down too. Val (The Karate Kid) would open up a can of whoop ass on The Hulk within moments of the fight. Val's resourceful, he's beaten two bloodlusted Daxamites at the same time before. :o

[Arach Knight]

Who is this Karate Kid character? I've never heard of him...unless you are talking about Mr.Miyagi's Karate Kid, which obviously you are not. This charcter sounds very much like some upper echelon power house. Why hasn't he beaten the crap out of Superman? Is he on the Justice League? You must forgive me, because I really know only mainstream DC characters. And even then that knowledge can be fairly vast, to vastly shallow...

[X]

He's a DC character, from The Legion of Superheroes. Basically the greatest martial artist in comics, ever.

Check out the respect thread a friend and I put together.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=69734&highlight=Karate

[X]

And he was created decades before the movie came out. They had to ask DC for permission to use the name. :o

[Arach Knight]

Wait a second...the Legion of Super Heroes sounds familar. Aren 't Terra and Changling on that team? Did this Karate Kid character go under any other names? Some name relating to dragons? I remember having some comic cards when I was younger, about a martial artist on the Legion of Super Heroes...but his name wasn't Karate Kid.

[X]

Terra and Changling are members of The Team Titans. Well, Terra was years ago.

There's been more than one Karate Kid. The second Karate Kid was from a completely different planet, name was Myg. Wasn't quite as nice as Val.

And, most Legion members are pretty proficent fights anyhow. So maybe that's where the confusion stems from?

[Arach Knight]

I figured it out. The character I was thinking of was Dragonmage. And instead of Changeling/Beast Boy, I meant to say Chamelon Boy (same powers, different person). So the confusion was on my part between the Teen Titans and the Legion of Super Heroes.

[Masterfungus]

All I know is that the Thing goes one on one with the Hulk all the time. Win or lose he still takes him on solo and is not a punk. Does that elevate the Thing's status or lower the Hulks?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/Fantastic%20Four/FF-112.jpg


:thing: :thing: :thing:


When I was a kid this was one of my all time favorite comic battles. Still love it! :up:

[rodhulk]

sorry No, hulk is not above celestial beings, but sure,and the majority of Marvel Fans agrees with me, hulk is above DarkSeid.

So chose a class in which you general put Darkseid,the hulk is in the class above.You're exactly correct, DH. Jimmy San is just one of the few people who says things we said things that we didn't say. :down

[rodhulk]

start with this and learn something :up:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1225/170zu.jpg

that girl was not moving as a truck(since you and jonathanos said that Quicksilver could move fast as a truck when the hulk tagged him) the hulk tagged her,the hulk owned her.Strenght always beats speed.:up: Regardless of what people say, Hulk tagged this speedster (another one) and without any problem.

Don't worry, DH, anything people say against us is in relation to Hulk being able to connect with Flash and other light speed people is only theories, not facts. I have no problem with that, though, as long as they don't have problems with our theories. :up:

[X]

:up: Regardless of what people say, Hulk tagged this speedster (another one) and without any problem.

Don't worry, DH, anything people say against us is in relation to Hulk being able to connect with Flash and other light speed people is only theories, not facts. I have no problem with that, though, as long as they don't have problems with our theories. :up:

Does the fact that some speedsters are several million times faster than others mean anything to you...?

[Jonathanos]

Of course not.

Aunt May can kayo Hulk too. She kayoed Spider-Man and Spidey's extremely strong.

[X]

That's the reasoning flaw I was going to point out myself. :o

So Spider-Man beats the holy hell out of the Rhino, and we're automatically supposed to believe he can thrash The Hulk? No, comparing Blue Streak and The Flash, you might as well compare Spider-Man beating up a child and then saying he could beat The Hulk... That's how wide the gap is.

Ridiculuos as it might sound, Wally was once recorded as going 20 trillion times the speed of light.

........

Really. That speaks for itself.

[Arach Knight]

Just for the record, Quicksilver isn't a good example either. He is fast, but not nearly as fast as the Flash. Quicksilver can maybe run a few thousand miles per hour. The Flash runs a few thousand miles per second (though how his bones are not ground away, is beyond me).

[newmexneon]

Speed force protects him from the laws of physics.

[Jimmy-San]

Rod, what did I say you said that you didn't say? You HAVE stated Hulk beats anyone under Celestial level, and DH has stated Hulk beats anyone in the multiverse short of Galactus. I never said you think he wins the majority against Galactus or Celestials. I don't need to. The fact that you beleive he takes everyone below that level, including Skyfather-level and above characters, however, speaks for itself about your extremism regarding The Hulk.



And X, AFAIK Karate Kid hasn't actually beaten a Daxamite Post-Zero Hour, though he has recently thrashed Colossal Boy. He had some trouble with Superboy in a sparring session however, and Darkseid imprisoned him as easily as the other Legionarres. I would think he may well dominate The Hulk physically, but a thunderclap from The Hulk would end it.


BTW, I own most of Morrison's JLA, and don't see any issues at all with him performing either good or bad power feats, which is why I rely on JLA/Teen Titans. Zauriel did have that sonic attack which momentarily "dispupted" The Spectre's ectoplasmic form, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, he was hurt by a sucker-punch from an old nun. I think JLA/Teen Titans had the most solid display of battle-relevent power, however. I should get American Dreams, though ... Angels were impressive in that, though I don't really recall how Zauriel himself appeared.


-Jimmy

[X]

The Karate Kid actually beat two bloodlusted Daxamites Post Zero Hour. Let me find pictures...

Gah, comicbookresources is having problems right now. I'll post a link to my/SiliconeDream's Karate Kid thread when it's fixed.

[rodhulk]

Does the fact that some speedsters are several million times faster than others mean anything to you...?Yes, and I've answered that elsewhere in another thread.

[X]

Could you give me a link to this, as I've never seen it...

[1987olds442]

Karate Kid would dominate The Hulk.

We're talking about someone who could "roll with the punches" of 60's Superboy, who used to tow around galaxies worth of planets. He could bat him around, too. Used to spar and throw around Superboy and Timberwolf at the same time too.... Fought and beat the entire Fatal Five by himself, one of it not the nastiest villian teams of all time. He's broken inertron, DC's adamantium, which even some Pre-Crisis characters coulden't deal with.

Prided himself on the efficent, fast take down too. Val (The Karate Kid) would open up a can of whoop ass on The Hulk within moments of the fight. Val's resourceful, he's beaten two bloodlusted Daxamites at the same time before. :oBut Lois from Family Guy could take down the Karate Kid, she did beat up the three kryptonian villians from Superman 2 at the same time at that... :joker:

[X]

Ahahaha, never saw that episode. :D

[rodhulk]

Rod, what did I say you said that you didn't say? You HAVE stated Hulk beats anyone under Celestial level, and DH has stated Hulk beats anyone in the multiverse short of Galactus. I never said you think he wins the majority against Galactus or Celestials. I don't need to. The fact that you beleive he takes everyone below that level, including Skyfather-level and above characters, however, speaks for itself about your extremism regarding The Hulk.



And X, AFAIK Karate Kid hasn't actually beaten a Daxamite Post-Zero Hour, though he has recently thrashed Colossal Boy. He had some trouble with Superboy in a sparring session however, and Darkseid imprisoned him as easily as the other Legionarres. I would think he may well dominate The Hulk physically, but a thunderclap from The Hulk would end it.


BTW, I own most of Morrison's JLA, and don't see any issues at all with him performing either good or bad power feats, which is why I rely on JLA/Teen Titans. Zauriel did have that sonic attack which momentarily "dispupted" The Spectre's ectoplasmic form, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, he was hurt by a sucker-punch from an old nun. I think JLA/Teen Titans had the most solid display of battle-relevent power, however. I should get American Dreams, though ... Angels were impressive in that, though I don't really recall how Zauriel himself appeared.


-JimmyAhhh, yes you did say it. Read your post. And am I really an extremist when it comes to the Hulk, or am I just saying the truth on the Hulk.

You still don't understand what I'm saying. Most to anybody that Hulk can beat can also beat the Hulk. But I favor the Hulk. With what PAD said in reference to Hulk and Galactus, I will go as high as saying Hulk could, not would, but 'could' stand chances against anybody from Galactus down.

That said, the Hulk will probably usually to never reach those high limits, so some of these people at around Galactus's level, including Galactus himself, may actually smoke the Hulk in battle. But let the Hulk reach his full ability, I think that's fair, then let's see what would happen and who Hulk can beat.

[rodhulk]

Could you give me a link to this, as I've never seen it...It's in this thread. It has to do with my explanation on 'fact' and 'theory.'

[1987olds442]

Ahahaha, never saw that episode. :DIt's a good one too...Lois gets tired of how Peter doesn't respect her so she starts taking martial arts...at the same time leafers "New Yorkers" show up to see the leaves change in the fall and take over the town and Peters bar.

Lois gets really good and hostile and beats up the instructor...Peter brings her to the Bar and starts fights where everyone there and Lois kicks all their asses...Peter says; Mets suck, Yankees suck, Krytron sucks, etc.. it was pretty funny.

[DevilHulk]

this thread is really pointless since the hulk has a dynamic power he could take the majority against anyone aside LT and so on..., all he needs is to be really really enraged.....

no rage = no majority

rage = majority (no matter who is his opponent)

[Arach Knight]

Super strength isn't the only means of taking somebody down. Professor X, Phoenix and even Emma Frost could kill The Hulk with a simple thought. You don't think Thor could paralyze Hulk with Mjolnir if he really wanted to? Lets not even bring in Silver Surfer, who literally has matter manipulation powers. Hulk can have his ass handed to him by a great number of beings in the Marvel universe, that aren't even cosmic. Hell...Nightcrawler could teleport his head from his torso. Hulk's been knocked out by Doc Samson in a single blow. So don't go getting too lost in fantasies of the Hulk never losing. Hulk is amazingly powerful. He is amazingly enduring. If anybody stood a chance against all of the Marvel Universe, Hulk would be on the list of contenders. But he isn't incapable of being defeated.

[SuperVenom]

Isn't Hulks powers immeasureable since it depends on his rage? Meaning unlimitless possibilities?

So in this case, everything depends on the situation?

[Jesster]

I'm not the biggest comic buff in the world but from the posts i read in this thread:
1) You never mention that the hulk is a super genious
2) The hulk/bruce banner can enrage himself when he wants just by thinking of the hulk

If you would like to help me please go to http://groups.google.com/group/xmenpowerlevel

[THOR]

The Hulk has always been one of the strongest Marvel characters, even in his weaker Grey Hulk stage. This is how I rank the Marvel characters, strength wise:

Unlimited: Celestials, Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, Beyonder

Cosmic Class (1000 tons) : Galactus, Surtur, Mephisto, Terminus, In-Betweener

Sub Cosmic Class (300 tons): Gladiator, Champion, Destroyer, Count Nefaria, Onslaught, The Sentry

God Like (200 tons) : Thor, Hercules, Hulk, Abomination, Juggernaught, Hyperion, Thanos

Demi God Like (100 tons) : Wonder Man, Silver Surfer, Sasquatch, Colossus, She-Hulk

Superhuman ( 90 tons) : Iron Man, Thing, Namor, The Rhino, Iron Clad, Zeus, Tiger Shark, Box, Captain Britain

Superhuman (75 tons) Doc Samson, Ares, Doctor Doom, Annihillus, Blaastar, Terrax, Ultron

The Hulk if enraged enough can attain Cosmic level strength, but he is normally way below that level.

[HULKSTER'04]

What's this?
X, Jonathanos, and others who think Hulk isn't in the cosmic level/herald class well i must insists that he is even above the cosmic level class.lol

[Jesster]

I agree that the hulk should be listed in the cosmic\herald class, I don't know about you guys but i'm a very angry person and anger can grow like nothing else if you don't cool it, just look at all the **** the terroists do in anger. and nice quote form V fo Vendetta
:ninja: I'm a ninja

[DevilHulk]

The Hulk has always been one of the strongest Marvel characters, even in his weaker Grey Hulk stage. This is how I rank the Marvel characters, strength wise:

Unlimited: Celestials, Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, Beyonder

Cosmic Class (1000 tons) : Galactus, Surtur, Mephisto, Terminus, In-Betweener

Sub Cosmic Class (300 tons): Gladiator, Champion, Destroyer, Count Nefaria, Onslaught, The Sentry

God Like (200 tons) : Thor, Hercules, Hulk, Abomination, Juggernaught, Hyperion, Thanos

Demi God Like (100 tons) : Wonder Man, Silver Surfer, Sasquatch, Colossus, She-Hulk

Superhuman ( 90 tons) : Iron Man, Thing, Namor, The Rhino, Iron Clad, Zeus, Tiger Shark, Box, Captain Britain

Superhuman (75 tons) Doc Samson, Ares, Doctor Doom, Annihillus, Blaastar, Terrax, Ultron

The Hulk if enraged enough can attain Cosmic level strength, but he is normally way below that level.






Unlimited: Celestials, Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, Beyonder


HULK enraged (150 bilion tons)

Cosmic Class (1000 tons) : Galactus, Surtur, Mephisto, Terminus, In-Betweener

Sub Cosmic Class (300 tons): Gladiator, Champion, Destroyer, Count Nefaria, Onslaught, The Sentry

God Like (200 tons) : Thor, Hercules, Hulk( not enraged) Abomination, Juggernaught, Hyperion, Thanos

Demi God Like (100 tons) : Wonder Man, Silver Surfer, Sasquatch, Colossus, She-Hulk

Superhuman ( 90 tons) : Iron Man, Thing, Namor, The Rhino, Iron Clad, Zeus, Tiger Shark, Box, Captain Britain

Superhuman (75 tons) Doc Samson, Ares, Doctor Doom, Annihillus, Blaastar, Terrax, Ultron

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Unlimited: Celestials, Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, Beyonder


HULK enraged (150 bilion tons)

Cosmic Class (1000 tons) : Galactus, Surtur, Mephisto, Terminus, In-Betweener

Sub Cosmic Class (300 tons): Gladiator, Champion, Destroyer, Count Nefaria, Onslaught, The Sentry

God Like (200 tons) : Thor, Hercules, Hulk( not enraged) Abomination, Juggernaught, Hyperion, Thanos

Demi God Like (100 tons) : Wonder Man, Silver Surfer, Sasquatch, Colossus, She-Hulk

Superhuman ( 90 tons) : Iron Man, Thing, Namor, The Rhino, Iron Clad, Zeus, Tiger Shark, Box, Captain Britain

Superhuman (75 tons) Doc Samson, Ares, Doctor Doom, Annihillus, Blaastar, Terrax, Ultron

I don't want to be a prude, but the "150 billion ton mountain" was an act done with leverage, and The Hulk was going to succumb in a matter of seconds to it's weight. Furthermore, it's not persay the angriest he can get in the comics. And while I'm at it, one could argue that The Hulk is around a Demi-God range in power when when in an unaltered or simply 'angry' state.

[torkibe]

I don't want to be a prude, but the "150 billion ton mountain" was an act done with leverage, and The Hulk was going to succumb in a matter of seconds to it's weight.

Don't waste your time. This fact has been pointed out to him countless times by various people each time it's brought up. He's a Hulk Fanboy that will NEVER admit that the Hulk didn't lift 150 Billion Tons.

[Armand_Pravek]

I asked stan lee at LA wizard 2005 whether in the right circumstance Hulk could stand against Galactus if it was about pure strength and he said Hulk does.

I asked peter david at san diego 2005 the same question and he said Hulk does.

[Midnyte_Sun]

You guys forgot about the other supernatural heroes like Dr. Strange/Strange (can't he just teleport the Hulk to some limbo dimension where he can stay there for eternity?), Mephisto, Lucifer, Ghost Rider / Zarathos.

BTW, all this talk about the Flash is ridiculous because Flash is ridiculous, he's in the same category as Goku from Dragonball Z (the universe destroying God-like super powered bafoon).

[torkibe]

I asked stan lee at LA wizard 2005 whether in the right circumstance Hulk could stand against Galactus if it was about pure strength and he said Hulk does.

I asked peter david at san diego 2005 the same question and he said Hulk does.

Dude, seriously... Are you 8? One, I doubt either of those things ever happened and two, even if they did they probably say what they know fans want to hear. With the exception of Spider-Man the Hulk is Marvel's most popular character. They wouldn't stand around at a convention and not say he's "the strongest one there is" to his rabid fans.

[Armand_Pravek]

Dude, seriously... Are you 8? One, I doubt either of those things ever happened and two, even if they did they probably say what they know fans want to hear. With the exception of Spider-Man the Hulk is Marvel's most popular character. They wouldn't stand around at a convention and not say he's "the strongest one there is" to his rabid fans.

One: it absolutely did happen. In the stan lee line I was the fifth in line behind two guys each of whom had X-men #1 issues that stan signed.

Two: They don't let the fans down but they have no reason to lie.
It wasn't a Hulk line and there was nothing to make anyone standout as any kind of Hulk fan. Before I asked I thought the answer was probably no but I made sure because that's the only way: find out for yourself until you've gone as far as you can. Having said this, I will wait until the comic book actually shows Hulk outpushing Galactus to have a hearty laugh at all the disbelievers.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

We're talking about a person with nigh-infinite strength. Note the "nigh"- Galactus was once defeated by Rachel Summers with the Phoenix Force in her possession. So it's not saying he's an indominable wall when said that 'he can surpass Galactus'. There are plenty of others who are superior to Galactus and truly have no roof. The general consensus is that The Hulk has a roof- it may take him an amazing time to get near it, but he occasionally does. Both The Beyonder's monologue and the Mindless Hulk are testaments that with Banner within himself even the Hulk has limits to what can be achieved.

[Jesster]

stan lee would not lie to his fans i bet you that he would rather get dumped or fired or what ever the correct term would be for publishers not making his comics or movies than lie to fans, also the hulk is one of his fav characters.
P.S. please add your emence knowledge to my google group: http://groups.google.com/group/xmenpowerlevel

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

stan lee would not lie to his fans i bet you that he would rather get dumped or fired or what ever the correct term would be for publishers not making his comics or movies than lie to fans, also the hulk is one of his fav characters.
P.S. please add your emence knowledge to my google group: http://groups.google.com/group/xmenpowerlevel

Lee isn't as immensely involved with Marvel as he used to be. His affiliation is alot more loose now in his later years, and he has sued to ensure his rights as the creator of certain Marvel characters is upheld in court on the very company. About the only way I can see them dissolving ties with him is if he did something seriously wrong, and voicing personal opinion on a character isn't "wrong". Stan said in an interview once that if he were writing it The Hulk would beat Superman. Does that now mean it's canon proof The Hulk would beat Superman?

[Midnyte_Sun]

Physically the Hulk would destroy Superman...hands down.

Superman can't control something like that, he would destroy almost all of the a city before Superman could get close enough to take him down. The Hulk is just uncontrollable and Superman would have to use brains to beat the Hulk.

[Mr. Green]

Hulk is in the same class as Thor. I don't know what class you would call that. I don't think that he could take the majority against everyone in his own class (like Silver Surfer), but he could definately take the majority against people in any class below.

It depends on the nature of his opponents powers, his opponents fighting experience, etc.

But you know me, I'll always root for Hulk for the win. :yay:

[Jesster]

stan lee would not lie to his fans i bet you that he would rather get dumped or fired or what ever the correct term would be for publishers not making his comics or movies than lie to fans, also the hulk is one of his fav characters.
P.S. please add your emence knowledge to my google group: http://groups.google.com/group/xmenpowerlevel

I was saying this to imply that stan lee isn't in it for the money. Jeeze read between te lines.

[Jesster]

it depends if superman would use leathal force or not, like when the alternate universe superman gave doomsday a labodamy, also superman could just keep flying away from and back at the hulk with his emence speed and use his momentum to put the hurt on. Also superman could use that to get hulk up in the air and then hurl him into teh sun if he really wanted to kill the hulk. But if the hulk and superman ever did battle it would be the sweetest fight ever.

[Mr. Green]

You still don't understand what I'm saying. Most to anybody that Hulk can beat can also beat the Hulk. But I favor the Hulk.
EXACTLY. I always favor the Hulk also, and everyone calls me a fanboy. It's not like I won't admit when someone can beat Hulk or anything, or have unrealistic notions of what he can do. I just root for my favorite character.

I also actually know a thing or two about the character. It drives me crazy when people talk about the Hulk not being able to beat people that he could easily beat, and write him off as a second rate character. Then when I argue using hard facts, they write ME off as another crazy fanboy.

Those are the posters who won't like me when I'm angry! :cmad:

[DevilHulk]

If well written an enraged hulk can beat anyone most of times. That's the hulk.

(i'm not talking about cosmic beings like LT, Eternity and so on....)

[Jesster]

If well written an enraged hulk can beat anyone most of times. That's the hulk.

(i'm not talking about cosmic beings like LT, Eternity and so on....)

I concur with this statement. I should be the hulk, banner is unapreciative of his powers and doesn't even want them, GIVE THEM TO ME!!!!!!!!!!! lol

[Midnyte_Sun]

Also superman could use that to get hulk up in the air and then hurl him into teh sun if he really wanted to kill the hulk.

If Gamma Rays transform banner into the Hulk, what would high energy xray, gamma ray, and other forms of electromagnetic energy from the sun do to Hulk? I Mean it might just make him even more stronger?! The more he gets hurt, the more angrier he gets, the bigger he gets, the stronger he gets, and I can't imagine how big the Hulk can get when he is hurled at the sun.

Unless ofcourse the vacuum of space removes the Hulk's oxygen supply (like what Ghost Rider did to the Hulk to stop him by burning the oxygen around his face to make him unconcious and transform back into banner) which means he'd have to transform back to Banner and then ofcourse its all over....Comic Physics are always fun.

[ibsisomis]

I have to say according to the Leader site that someone posted on the other "who can match up against the hulk" thread. somebody put up a link to this leader site that had all of hulk's wins and losses. and according to it spiderman has beaten hulk twice, i thikn that's what they said anyways. if i'm not mistaken the record is 2-1 in spidey's favor.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

If Gamma Rays transform banner into the Hulk, what would high energy xray, gamma ray, and other forms of electromagnetic energy from the sun do to Hulk? I Mean it might just make him even more stronger?! The more he gets hurt, the more angrier he gets, the bigger he gets, the stronger he gets, and I can't imagine how big the Hulk can get when he is hurled at the sun.

Bigger? I've only seen the canon Hulk get larger from unnatural means, such as when he insorbed the Hulk-clones into himself or regrew to normal size after being shrunk by a villain. The only occasion where I've seen him consciously become larger through anger was the Ang Lee adaption. And as for the adaptation? When Hulk doesn't naturally have within himself a method of overriding a danger (such as an organ that allows him to survive underwater) it takes time for him to evolve resistance. Fury states this when he's in the vacuum of space. I don't think being dropped into the core of a star, much less a slightly small star like the one our solar system sports, would allow nearly enough time for him to make such a massive adaption. Instantaneous incineration is a bit hard to combat.

[HULKSTER'04]

As if the Hulk will just sit back and relax and enjoy the ride while Supes is still getting enough momentum inside the atmosphere to hurl the Hulk towards the sun. 1 thunderclap and it's over for Supes.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

As if the Hulk will just sit back and relax and enjoy the ride while Supes is still getting enough momentum inside the atmosphere to hurl the Hulk towards the sun. 1 thunderclap and it's over for Supes.

It doesn't have to be Superman. In fact, the prologue to Planet Hulk shows that with enough ingenuity he can be outwitted into a one-way trip. About the only other issue would be burrowing the craft he's occupying into the core.

[Jesster]

When i said that superman could launch the hulk at the sun i didn't mean like a single hit and off he goes or just carring him off. I meant for some thing like superman to keep smashing into him like after he jumped one of his hulk jumps. If superman could keep him air bourne and keep him going farther and farther up, or just grab him in around the middle of his shoulders and keep hitting him with other so he keeps getting madder so he cant grab superman. U people need to think more.

[HULKSTER'04]

Originally Posted by Jesster


When i said that superman could launch the hulk at the sun i didn't mean like a single hit and off he goes or just carring him off. I meant for some thing like superman to keep smashing into him like after he jumped one of his hulk jumps. If superman could keep him air bourne and keep him going farther and farther up, or just grab him in around the middle of his shoulders and keep hitting him with other so he keeps getting madder so he cant grab superman. U people need to think more.


And what about Hulk's thunderclap you don't consider that as a threat?
And yet we the Hulk fans need to THINK more as you assert it. Just cute dude.:o

[Jesster]

note that superman would be behind the hulk if carrying the hulk from the middle of his back where he cant reach him, also superman would continue to beat him with the other to keep him mad so it would become harder and harder to hit him, and finally he would be BEHIND the hulk so the force of the thunder clap wouldn't be as strong as normal. The ultimate sheild - The Incredible Hulk

[HULKSTER'04]

^Soundwaves-that force will screw Supes hearing just like it did with all of Hulk's opponents who have experienced the thunderclap. Even if Hulk was shielding Supes Sound travels through the air and around them both are cloud thick of air and it doesn't matter where Supes positions the Hulk, 1 thunderclap will be enough to reverberate Supes eardrums and make him squeel in pain.

[Jesster]

ya but line of sight has a stronger effect, also superman has super ears!

[HULKSTER'04]

^which is exactly why he'll be impaired easily.

[Jesster]

his ears are super strong hearing wise and defensively, the road goes both ways

[HULKSTER'04]

^uummm..the ear drum works like this: if in the event it recieves a vibration it then repeats that speck of noise up to 200 times, hmmmmmmm...so a thunderclap which has the equivalent force of a sonic boom reverberated 200 times wouldn't hurt Superman's ears?LOL

[Jesster]

superman makes a sonic boom when he breaks the sound barrier so ummmmm.....ya BOOYAA

P.S. Superman and the Hulk are both one of my top superheros so don't think that I'm a Superman freak

[HULKSTER'04]

I would say the same for myself about the Hulk, except i am a Hulk freak.lol
BTW that sonic boom that Superman creates when he breaks the sound barrier travels away from him. On the other hand the sonic boom that the Hulk makes from his thunderclap travels towards Supes and will damage his most vulnerable parts such as his eardrums. Though i'm not saying that it will be the cause of his defeat, but it will disrupt him from attacking the Hulk for a moment and in the mean time the Hulk will find time advantage to screw Supes.

[Jesster]

apparently you've never seen the documentaries of trying to get jets to go super sonic. The planes must be able to with stand extreme force. And since supes isint then its even harder on him. The only reason that the sonic boom goes away from the plane with so much of a boom is because of the shape.

[karasu]

Why do people assume that rage is unlimited? What does that even mean? You can just get angrier and angrier and angrier to inifnity? That's nuts. There's a point wher emotion levels off, and the hulk would probably just pass out and revert. Or his rage would turn into depression due to his inability to solve the problem.


And saying the hulk would take out Superman with a feckin gamma clap is like saying Superman would take out the hulk with freeze breath.:huh: Superman flies into the sun, he is not going to be taken out by a freaking Sonic Boom. Jesus. :whatever:

[HULKSTER'04]

^no one said that Supes would be taken down by a thunderclap, however it will disable him for about 15 seconds or something like that at least. There have been many heavy hitters who have gone against the Hulk and some of them are closely leveled with Superman's strength and yet they all experienced the thunderclap with the same reaction-squeeling in pain.

[Jesster]

Why do people assume that rage is unlimited? What does that even mean? You can just get angrier and angrier and angrier to inifnity? That's nuts. There's a point wher emotion levels off, and the hulk would probably just pass out and revert. Or his rage would turn into depression due to his inability to solve the problem.


And saying the hulk would take out Superman with a feckin gamma clap is like saying Superman would take out the hulk with freeze breath.:huh: Superman flies into the sun, he is not going to be taken out by a freaking Sonic Boom. Jesus. :whatever:


Thanks for the support, but you must not be an angry person. If i get angry and someone keeps pissing me off i dont get depressed from not being able to solve the problem, whether i'm just an angry person or have some kind of mental illness or deficiency, idk, but unless i try to calm down i just keep geting madder and madder, thank god for video games, they elp me chill. But back to the point would the average guy calm down if he had alter ego that he hated and didn't want?

[Badfish40oz]

Right, yet again a Hulk fight gives Hulk every possible disadvantage and his opponent every single advantage.

"No, wait, Supes is behind Hulk while Hulk is doing one of his Hulk-jumps and he gets him at the right time at the most perfect point of breaking the atmosphere while Hulk is already following a missle so he doesn't see Superman coming from behind and Superman is at full power and full speed and breaks the atmosphere with a sonic boom and Hulk is too late, then Supes brings him up into Space to the sun while Hulk is just sitting there letting it happen because . . um Supes gets Zatanna or Dr Strange to put a spell on Hulk that makes Hulk a vegetable when he gets into space."

Give me a break.

To Karasu: Stan Lee himself has said that Hulk's power is unlimited. Whether that means his rage is unlimited or not is besides the point. The Hulk's power is infinite. That's from the character's creator. Nuff said.

[ssj wolverine]

I think it is funny people talking about we don't know the limits to Hulk's power. But yet you can say the same about his opponents. Do we know the limits to Supes strength?

[HULKSTER'04]

I suppose you know about the Hulk's strength limits?
Even MARVEL doesn't know what's the limit of Hulk's strength, they said that it doesn't have a limit last time i checked.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

In that same regards, the current canon interpretation of Superman is that there is no roof to what he can or cannot do. So if you're looking at it in the interest of fairness (what's canon in the here and now) these are two indominable beings duking it out (even if you just go ahead and say that from the getgo the Hulk is at the angriest he's ever been).

Indominable wall of fortitude v. indominable wall of fortitude = borefest Chibi hopes will never grace a crossover comic again.

[DevilHulk]

When i said that superman could launch the hulk at the sun i didn't mean like a single hit and off he goes or just carring him off. I meant for some thing like superman to keep smashing into him like after he jumped one of his hulk jumps. If superman could keep him air bourne and keep him going farther and farther up, or just grab him in around the middle of his shoulders and keep hitting him with other so he keeps getting madder so he cant grab superman. U people need to think more.


do you even read Hulk vs Gladiator's fight ?

Gladiator tried to take the hulk in the space, the hulk thunderclapped him in the ears. End of Game. Superman would be beaten horribly.

by the way: the hulk could survive in the sun and in the space. He survived to JS's Nova Flame and much more than this.

Agreed you people need to study more the stuff.

[HULKSTER'04]

originally Posted by Chibikirayama

Indominable wall of fortitude v. indominable wall of fortitude = borefest Chibi hopes will never grace a crossover comic again.

I beg to differ.:woot:

[Silicon Surfer]

The Hulk tried the thunderclap on the Thing once and not only did it have no effect but the Thing ridiculed him for trying it. It would have no effect on Superman at all. Superman's hearing is selective, he can choose what to hear and what not to hear. Daredevil has a similar ability although to what upper limits I don't know.

[ibsisomis]

So let me get this straight SS, supes could prepare himself for the thunder clap? is this what you are telling me? So I guess we can add "telepathy" or omnipotence to the "vast" list of super man's abilites? Gimme a break man. The Thing doesn't even have ears! When's the last time he could hear people talking while in earth's orbit? The last time I checked supes could do this when he wanted to or not? So can't DD? The same tactic worked on Wolverine only supes hearing is so much most pwerful than wolvie's it is stupid!

[Silicon Surfer]

Superman and Daredevil can both filter out what they don't want to hear. They use this ability to tune in on what they are trying to hear without the distraction of other sounds. Superman can also make his hearing more alert to certain sounds such as Lois' voice. How do you think he keeps showing up to rescue her all the time.

[ibsisomis]

The same reason he shows up to help everybody. He has super hearing! Show me in any canon DC book where it says that superman can "turn down his hearing aid" and I'll admit you have the argument but until then your point is mute. This is ridiculous, I mean I for the most part don't side with DeviHulk or DACMAN on hulk stuff but I have to draw the line here. A massive thunder clap with Hulk at a high level of strength would hurt supes. That's a fact and even if supes could "filter" (as you say) how could he know that Hulk was about to do a thunder clap anyway? Unless he uses his new found "omnipotent" (all knowing) powers and prepares himself for it :whatever: . Superman is NOT a god no matter how many of you people paint this picture. If he could do that then explain to me why Batman used sonic waves to make his ears bleed in DKR and eventually stun him? Also didn't someone say that WW slammed her wrists around his ears and cause him to drop like a bag of rocks? Oh I get it he didn't have time to get his hand up and put it inside his ear to cut his "hearing aid" down right :whatever: ?

[Silicon Surfer]

Check out Silver Banshee's attack

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/371890_7-superman-respect-thread

[ibsisomis]

didn't see what you are talking about.

[Silicon Surfer]

Sonic attack way beyond the power of the thunderclap and it had no effect.

[Jesster]

Superman and Daredevil can both filter out what they don't want to hear. They use this ability to tune in on what they are trying to hear without the distraction of other sounds. Superman can also make his hearing more alert to certain sounds such as Lois' voice. How do you think he keeps showing up to rescue her all the time.


i concur with this statement, if superman couldn't turn it down he would go insane due hearing everyones *****ing and crying for help.

[Jesster]

The same reason he shows up to help everybody. He has super hearing! Show me in any canon DC book where it says that superman can "turn down his hearing aid" and I'll admit you have the argument but until then your point is mute. This is ridiculous, I mean I for the most part don't side with DeviHulk or DACMAN on hulk stuff but I have to draw the line here. A massive thunder clap with Hulk at a high level of strength would hurt supes. That's a fact and even if supes could "filter" (as you say) how could he know that Hulk was about to do a thunder clap anyway? Unless he uses his new found "omnipotent" (all knowing) powers and prepares himself for it :whatever: . Superman is NOT a god no matter how many of you people paint this picture. If he could do that then explain to me why Batman used sonic waves to make his ears bleed in DKR and eventually stun him? Also didn't someone say that WW slammed her wrists around his ears and cause him to drop like a bag of rocks? Oh I get it he didn't have time to get his hand up and put it inside his ear to cut his "hearing aid" down right :whatever: ?

they don't need to come out and say every damn thing that super heroes can do, you have to read between the lines and put 2 and 2 together

[funeman_5]

Obviously Stan Lee's not going to be biased in any way by saying what he does about Hulk...gimme a break. It's his character so of course he's going to say that.

Let's break down the list of people the Hulk can beat shall we:

Every non-cosmic type because he's got unlimited strength...unlimited damnit, that means he'll just get stronger and stronger...pathetic

Every cosmic type because he's got unlimited strength and he's invulnerable...truly pathetic

And his ultimate weapon...a glorified clapping noise. Based on all the arguments I've seen on this thread...anybody with enhanced senses is just screwed because of the all-powerful super clap. Galactus...hah, Tribunal...waste of time, GOD...most vulnerable of all because he's got the greatest senses...thus most vulnerable to the awesomely terrible sonic smacking noise.

Now that we've come to the conclusion that Hulk can beat everyone including God, what's left to argue about?

[Jesster]

if the hulk can beat god with his mighty clapping noise, then i guess every nuclear power has beaten god do to the fact of detonating a nuke, which is hotter then the sun. Indeed you are wise funeman_5. Let me guess, ding fries are done is your life story?

[funeman_5]

if the hulk can beat god with his mighty clapping noise, then i guess every nuclear power has beaten god do to the fact of detonating a nuke, which is hotter then the sun. Indeed you are wise funeman_5. Let me guess, ding fries are done is your life story?

Ah, yet another person who doesn't understand the use of sarcasm; I've included the definition directly from Websters just in case in still hasn't sunk in:
Sarcasm: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
If there's anything else you need help with...your 9th grade homework, conversation about the birds and bees, why the sky appears blue, etc. just let me know. :whatever:

[Jesster]

Ah, yet another person who doesn't understand the use of sarcasm; I've included the definition directly from Websters just in case in still hasn't sunk in:
Sarcasm: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
If there's anything else you need help with...your 9th grade homework, conversation about the birds and bees, why the sky appears blue, etc. just let me know. :whatever:


You my 'friend' are an @$$, its kinda hard to tell sarcasm from morons on the internet, being that its all text.

[funeman_5]

You my 'friend' are an @$$, its kinda hard to tell sarcasm from morons on the internet, being that its all text.

Wow, you're so witty! If you're having that much difficulty discerning sarcasm on these boards and you're going to get that fired up about some "moron" calling you out "in text", you may want to consider another line of internet conversation.