Will Transformers Ever Die??

[The Spider-Man]

Transformers
Transformers Armada
Transformers Cybertron
Transformers Energon
Transformers Beast Wars
Transformers Beast Machines

Is there no end to it??

[huskerwebhead]

I would like these crappy offshoots of the original transformers to die, but the Original Transformers cartoon owned. They should remake those or something. That would be the only thing worth doing. All these other series sucked.

[Happenstance]

I would like these crappy offshoots of the original transformers to die, but the Original Transformers cartoon owned. They should remake those or something. That would be the only thing worth doing. All these other series sucked.

Totally agree

[Kable24]

The only problem with remaking the original G1 Transformers is it would look all anime crap and be mixed with crappy 3d animation and very bad voice acting and 2d animation.

[TheCorpulent1]

Beast Wars was the last good Transformers series. :(

[The Question]

They should do more of what Beast Wars did. Instead of restarting from scratch, continue the G1 continuity.

[y2jversion1]

Beastwars (and Machines - since it was a continuation of Wars) was awesome!

[darkdaz]

Just imagin Transformers done as good as Ghost in the Shell.

[TheCorpulent1]

They should do more of what Beast Wars did. Instead of restarting from scratch, continue the G1 continuity.
I agree. I liked BW since it started, but I really, really got into it when they tied it into existing G1 continuity and started expanding on it. More series that tie into G1 would be much better than the crappy rehashes they're putting out now.

[Goldenage Batman]

I loved Beast Wars...Got 2 out of three of the Sereis on DVD....

[Jochimus]

I would like to see something along the lines of The War Within, Transtech or the Transformers Universe storyline. In other words, something that might have actually expanded even further upon the original continuity without respinning it into crapime for the umpteenth time.

And it needs to be made by either a decent cartoon studio like Dong Woo (Jackie Chan Adventures, Big Guy & Rusty, the Men In Black and GINO cartoons) or put back into Mainframe's CGI.

Maybe if the movie comes out and doesn't bomb, we might get a new cartoon based on it...but I'm not getting my hopes up this early in the game.

[deathshead2]

Well guys we have no choice we have to live with the fact that hasbro does not want to spend to much money on transformers.So they spend as little cash as possible and buy the transformers show that was made in japan.

[jaydawg]

Beast Wars ****ing owned. Dont knock it.

[Spike_x1]

I loved Beast Machines and Beast Wars. Machines less-so, but I still really enjoyed it.
G1 was a little before my time to really appreciate it, but I just ordered Season 1 Vol 1 & 2, so I'll be able to watch some of that soon enough.

I can't stand the new cartoons, but I hope we can someday get something that continues after the events in Beast Machines. Something that I'd like explained is what happens to earth in the Maximal and Predicon's time.

[phillyboy]

OK, so I've only seen bits and pieces of the past 3 or 4 series (for obvious reasons), and it looks like each season/series is its own independent continuity. I am right about this? And if I am...WTF? They must be smoking some serious crack to come up with a concept like that.... '"OK, we've built up a history with the characters, nows lets....meh, I'm bored now, lets just start over, people dont care about the stories anyhoo, just throw in some ****ty anime."

[deathshead2]

OK, so I've only seen bits and pieces of the past 3 or 4 series (for obvious reasons), and it looks like each season/series is its own independent continuity. I am right about this? And if I am...WTF? They must be smoking some serious crack to come up with a concept like that.... '"OK, we've built up a history with the characters, nows lets....meh, I'm bored now, lets just start over, people dont care about the stories anyhoo, just throw in some ****ty anime."No you are wrong let me explane for you o.k.

beast wars starts first when they went into the past then..
transformers takes place then even thou it was the first series
beast Machines takes place when the people from beast wars go back to there real time.Which in transformers time is after the first series.

R.I.D takes place in it own universe

transformes armada is the start of a new universe
energon takes place a few years after armada
then cybertron takes place many years after energon

that help.Now R.I.D,armamda,energon,and cybertron were made in japan.
the first transformers show was made for the U.S.A first then beast wars was made for the USA and beast machines were made for us as well even thou both were made in canada.

[phillyboy]

I watched the Beast wars/machines series, thought they were great. Thanks for explaining armada/energon/cybertron, it was all a bit confusing.

Still, the last 3 series have been utter crap. What ever happened to the good guys vs bad guys? Now its more about power-linking, eneron charges,double-triple-quadruple power-linking orgys, and all this techincal jargon that doesnt mean anything. G1 worked because it was a simple story of good vs evil.

[Jehuty]

Beastwars (and Machines - since it was a continuation of Wars) was awesome!Beastmachine sucked hard...very hard. :down

[Addendum]

If Transformers: Headmasters, and Super God Masterforce are released on DVD in the states, I'll be one happy dude.

[TheCorpulent1]

Beastmachine sucked hard...very hard. :down
I have to agree with that, actually. Beast Machines was a big disappointment.

[deathshead2]

I watched the Beast wars/machines series, thought they were great. Thanks for explaining armada/energon/cybertron, it was all a bit confusing.

Still, the last 3 series have been utter crap. What ever happened to the good guys vs bad guys? Now its more about power-linking, eneron charges,double-triple-quadruple power-linking orgys, and all this techincal jargon that doesnt mean anything. G1 worked because it was a simple story of good vs evil.Well the new series is for the toys really:( .The first series was for toys as well but at least it was good same for beast wars.Well the new show is just some long commercial thing.

[Spike_x1]

Beastmachine sucked hard...very hard. :downI didn't think it was that bad. No, it wasn't nearly as good as Beast Wars, I admit, but it was still enjoyable in its own right. One thing that I think would've made more people enjoy it would have been to make the maximals transform in a traditional way (rotating and shifting parts) instead of the flashy morphing that they used.

Well, that and the fact that a few of the character designs just looked stupid. They could've put much better thought into that department.

[Addendum]

I might have to watch Beast Wars again. When I originally saw it, it didn't impress me

[Spidey-Bat]

G1 and Beast Wars were so good. Beast Machines was kind of dissappointing, but it's so much better than the ****ty TF series on now. They should continue G1 continuity. And no kids. Kids and Transformers suck.

[Spike_x1]

Does anyone know how long the Beast Wars lasted? A friend of mine suggested that it could have been decades worth of fighting. I never really gave it much thought until he said that.

[The Question]

Probably two or three years. How many seasons were there?

[Spidey-Bat]

Does anyone know how long the Beast Wars lasted? A friend of mine suggested that it could have been decades worth of fighting. I never really gave it much thought until he said that.

It lasted 3 seasons.

[Spike_x1]

I know how long the show lasted. I meant how long did the war last from their point of view? I don't think they ever really kept track of dates in any of the episodes, so I don't know if there's a way to tell.

Like how the original Transformers show started it's timeline in 1984, but the movie took place in 2005.

[Joseph_Freefall]

I myself honestly don't think it was decades, Spike. Though I also don't think they kept track of time, either.

[Metamorpho1977]

Transformers died when Optimus Prime died.

[TheCorpulent1]

Transformers died when Optimus Prime died.
So you didn't enjoy the 2/3rds of Transformers: The Movie after Optimus died? Because I think it was some of the best Transformers ever.

[kane9321]

I would like these crappy offshoots of the original transformers to die, but the Original Transformers cartoon owned. They should remake those or something. That would be the only thing worth doing. All these other series sucked.

The original transformers were just awsome, all the other ones were plain crap

[Spidey-Bat]

Like how the original Transformers show started it's timeline in 1984, but the movie took place in 2005.

That'd be so cool if the movie really happened this year :o

[Metamorpho1977]

So you didn't enjoy the 2/3rds of Transformers: The Movie after Optimus died? Because I think it was some of the best Transformers ever.

Don't ge me wrong, Transformers the Movie was great, it just didn't have the same appeal without Optimus Prime. I mean Megatron got an upgrade, and all Optimus Prime got was replaced by a pink fruit cake disguised as a fast and furious car.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Rodimus Prime sucked, but Optimus' death is probably one of the coolest deaths in the history of fiction and the story about the unlikely, impetuous youth inheriting the role of leader was interesting when I first watched it. At least until it became painfully obvious that Hot Rod was probably the worst leader ever, anyway.

[Guyverjay]

hahahah some of the comments in this thread are really funny especially considering how Transformers were designed by Takara and animated by Toei:D

[deathshead2]

hahahah some of the comments in this thread are really funny especially considering how Transformers were designed by Takara and animated by Toei:Dyeah we know that.

[deathshead2]

I have also heard a rumore that sence takara has been bought out by tome that they may stop makeing transforemers.Because transformers don't seem to sell as well as they use to.Now this might be a good or bad thing.The good thing is that hasbro will just do what they did with beast wars and that is to design the toys over here and send the desighs to takara and they will make them, then hasbro will just sell them over here.The bad is that hasbro might become cheap and lazy and decide to stop the transformers line and not do anything to save it. Now this is just a rumore so don't panick.

[Guyverjay]

yeah we know that.

They do now:o

[Knightsaber Priss]

I think more importantly the question needs to be asked why they ditched the G1 continuity in latter cartoons. Even Beastwars somewhat inaccurately utilzed the G1 Continuity in the cartoons.

[deathshead2]

Because japan made it and they like new things and stuff at least thats what I heard beside they already did alot of stuff that takes place after G1 like headmasters.The reason we never got any thing after g1 proboly is because transformers wasn't as good as when it first came out and kids didn't want to watch the show or buy the toys anymore.Beast wars takeing G1 Continuity was by mistake the writers never wanted it to happan but when they said primus on the show then all transformers fans went nuts and said it took place in the Continuity.So the writers went with it and made it part of g1.

[Spike_x1]

I thought Beast Wars was supposed to take off from a combination of G1 and the comics continuity. Not strictly sticking with one over another.

That's what I heard, at least.

[Metamorpho1977]

Yeah, Rodimus Prime sucked, but Optimus' death is probably one of the coolest deaths in the history of fiction and the story about the unlikely, impetuous youth inheriting the role of leader was interesting when I first watched it. At least until it became painfully obvious that Hot Rod was probably the worst leader ever, anyway.


i concur, the death of Optimus Prime is right up there with Old Yeller, Captain Kirk in Generations, and Jenny in Forrest Gump. may have been the first time a movie made me cry.

[Oerwinde]

They just need to get a damn north american company to make a new TF show. The japanese can't seem to do one worth a damn. Get the guys who did the new He-Man to do it. They did an awesome job making He-Man cool.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think removing the pink shirt from his "secret identity" as the identical-to-He-Man Prince Adam helped. ;)

[jks]

Seriously, I can't be the only one to appreciate how they did a better job of developing characters after optimus' death in the movie. Seriously, optimus might be the "icon" of the series, but he's too "perfect". The ultimate good guy, no flaws at all. At least with rodimus, you got the whole thing with him trying to deal with being in optimus' shadow.


Beast wars is perhaps the best tf series ever. They had what the original series didn't in that they had a continuous story arc instead of a bunch of eps tht had their stories, but never went anywhere. [not to mention the animation] Beast machines was bad. The animation sucked coming off of bw and the story was horrid. [organic cybertron after it was already established cybertron was built?]

Everything since then is just a show bastardising the tf name. I can't stand how every leader has to be named "optimus prime" and "megatron/galvatron", especially considering they are apparently taking place in seperate "universes"


Oh well, at least we have the new movie to look forward to.

[storyteller]

Honestly what sucks about these need f'ed up series from japan(besides all the damn usless transformers just for a crapload of toys) are the transformers all look alike and hard to tell apart unless you watch from the beggining.

[Not Jake]

While Beast Machines was trying too hard to be all metaphorical and metaphysical and metainsertwordhereical, you gotta give it up for the beautiful ending of the series. I never really watched Transformer, but I watched all of Beast Wars and most of Beast Machines. Beast Machines had a lot of interesting episodes but a lot where it seemed like nothing happened at all. "Decompressed storytelling". But the ending, ah, the ending. Optimus got his sagely dream:)

[storyteller]

Beast machines was depressing.

[TheCorpulent1]

While Beast Machines was trying too hard to be all metaphorical and metaphysical and metainsertwordhereical, you gotta give it up for the beautiful ending of the series. I never really watched Transformer, but I watched all of Beast Wars and most of Beast Machines. Beast Machines had a lot of interesting episodes but a lot where it seemed like nothing happened at all. "Decompressed storytelling". But the ending, ah, the ending. Optimus got his sagely dream:)
As much as I loved Beast Wars, I never really liked Optimus. I thought he got a hell of a lot more than he deserved in Beast Machines. Meanwhile, Rhinox got royally ****ed and Rattrap became a cripple with a built-in wheelchair. :(

[Psionic Force]

Can someone tell me what came after the G1 series we all know and love? Was there a G2? In the movie we sees Megatron become Galvatron. Was this stil G1 or was it G2? If there was a G2, does anyone have a list of all the episodes? I am trying to find out what came next in things so I can download some episodes .... I dont want anything to anime ... any help would be appreciated.

[Oerwinde]

Seriously, I can't be the only one to appreciate how they did a better job of developing characters after optimus' death in the movie. Seriously, optimus might be the "icon" of the series, but he's too "perfect". The ultimate good guy, no flaws at all. At least with rodimus, you got the whole thing with him trying to deal with being in optimus' shadow.

I didn't appreciate it. Every episode was:

Rodimus "Oh woe is me I'm not the leader optimus was, I should just quit"
Ultra Magnus "You're not that bad, stop trying to be Optimus and just be yourself"
Rodimus "You're right, I'll just be the best leader I can be"

Next episode, starts over again. There was no growth. He was a pussy for his entire stint as leader.

What they need to do is get the guys who did He-Man or the guys who did TMNT to do a show based on the new TF Classics line. And none of this CG/Classical hybrid crap. And I wanna see mass shifting and quick transformations, and none of this OPTIMUS PRIME SUPER MODE 3 minute transformations. They can explain mass shifting easily as converting parts of their mass into energy and storing it in their spark. Converting matter to energy is how they explain transporters in Star Trek, so I don't see why it wouldn't make sense in Transformers.

Can someone tell me what came after the G1 series we all know and love? Was there a G2? In the movie we sees Megatron become Galvatron. Was this stil G1 or was it G2? If there was a G2, does anyone have a list of all the episodes? I am trying to find out what came next in things so I can download some episodes .... I dont want anything to anime ... any help would be appreciated.

G2 was the next toyline. Basically all it was was reiussues of G1 with a few new molds like green and purple tank Megatron. It also had a comic, and the Gen 2 cartoon was just the G1 cartoon with the "Cybertronian cyber net sphere" or whatever that crap was. It was lame.

[lars573]

Can someone tell me what came after the G1 series we all know and love? Was there a G2? In the movie we sees Megatron become Galvatron. Was this stil G1 or was it G2? If there was a G2, does anyone have a list of all the episodes? I am trying to find out what came next in things so I can download some episodes .... I dont want anything to anime ... any help would be appreciated.
G1 is the first 2 season of Optimus Prime/Megatron. The first movie. And the Rodimus Prime/Galvatron season that came after. It's also the 3 part Headmaster series that made an attempt at a 4 season. The Japanese continued the show past the Headmaster story. Also Beast wars happens before and after the G1 stories.

[Dr. Fate]

I liked Beast Wars, but hated Beast Machines.

[Warhammer]

All the spin-offs after Beast Wars sucked.

[Oerwinde]

All the spin-offs after Beast Wars sucked.

Beast Machines was well written and the designs were good for the concept they were using, its just that the concept was stupid and the villains after the first season sucked.

[Psionic Force]

so wait... the transformers movie was the beginning of G2? And then there was not other cartoon after that? What series is good? I want to download some but am not sure which ones are worth my time. I dont want something to anime though.... what would you all suggest?