JOKER:don't choose an actor purely because they look right...

[dogsgotlipstick]

a lot of the names that are being bandied about by people on forums such as this, are preoccupied by the look and don't really take into consideration the actors ability to act! please think before suggesting actors!

my favourite is chris eccleston; yes he has joker features, but that is a bonus; he is a fantastic actor.

Bettany is also a fantastic actor, with a few prosthetics he could do it.

roth, depp, brody are all fantastic actors.

i haven't seen hulme in anything other than matrix where he had little to no opportunity to showcase his talents.

glover, isn't convincing; he does look right but this should not be a reason for his casting; although a lot of people seem to be falling into this trap.

people if we were to go on looks alone in any film, then ashton kutcher would be awesome!!!

[That-Guy]

Agreed, although I don't see why there seems to be so much support lately for Christopher Eccleston. I've only seen him in two films (Gone in 60 Seconds and 28 Days Later) and he didn't really stand out to me in either one. Can you list any films that he was in that made you think he was a good actor and right for the role?

[Everyman]

Eccleston would be a great choice, indeed.

For That-Guy's information: he played Norfolk in Elizabeth, he was one of the three main characters in Shallow Grave, and was chief inspector Bilborough in the British t.v. series Cracker. And of course he played the role of the Doctor in Doctor Who. He is a very gifted, very versatile actor, and would make a perfect Joker.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I totaly agree with don't cast n actor who just looks like the joker...hell there are prothetics that could do that.

But please don't turn this into another who should play the joker.

:up:

stay out of trouble.

[That-Guy]

Eccleston would be a great choice, indeed.

For That-Guy's information: he played Norfolk in Elizabeth, he was one of the three main characters in Shallow Grave, and was chief inspector Bilborough in the British t.v. series Cracker. And of course he played the role of the Doctor in Doctor Who. He is a very gifted, very versatile actor, and would make a perfect Joker.


Thanks. I'll have to check those out. I've watched Cracker before, but it was a LONG time ago and the only person I remember on it was Robbie Coltrane (who ROCKS by the way... say, if he can do an American accent, he might make an awesome Penguin).

[dogsgotlipstick]

Agreed, although I don't see why there seems to be so much support lately for Christopher Eccleston. I've only seen him in two films (Gone in 60 Seconds and 28 Days Later) and he didn't really stand out to me in either one. Can you list any films that he was in that made you think he was a good actor and right for the role?

television production of othello (jokerish as ben jago)
DR Who (controlled mania personified)
second coming (he played the second christ and convinced)
Cracker season 1(intense)
shallow grave (scary nutter personified)

[Keyser Soze]

His standout performance to me was "Shallow Grave". That one tracking shot where he's crawling through the attic, wild eyes staring through the various peepholes into the apartment below, really made you think he was crazy. A really interesting film actually. Eccleston's the only character in it with a conscience, so naturally he's hte one who flips his lid...

[Mr. Freeze]

I think Ecclestone(sp?) and Vincent Cassels are the two best choices......;

[Saint]

You mean we should consider talent as well?! WHAT A REVELATION! -_-

[dogsgotlipstick]

You mean we should consider talent as well?! WHAT A REVELATION! -_-

very constructive sarcasm; being the lowest form of wit.

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Mark Hammil here we come.

[Two-Face]

I agree too I choose a actor that has the look and ability to act too Benicio Del Torro is great watch his movies this guy is my Joker to challenge Bale's Batman in Gotham

[TheJuice]

[QUOTE=dogsgotlipstick]glover, isn't convincing; he does look right but this should not be a reason for his casting; although a lot of people seem to be falling into this trap.
[QUOTE]


With roles in Back to The Future, The River's Edge, Willard, every character has been shy and socially awkward. Joker is supposed to be evil and charasmatic. I just don't see him pulling it off successfully.

[The Chairman]

Exactly. That's most likely why they cast Nicholson. Nicholson was a little heavyset and old, but he had the personality for the role, plus he's one of the all time greatest actors ever, so those qualities overshadowed the whole looks element. Danny DeVito had both the looks and talents for the role, which is a rarities in Hollywood.

So they should definitely choose an actor for talent more than looks. I really can't think of an actor that has both qualities to them.

[drknight]

[QUOTE=dogsgotlipstick]glover, isn't convincing; he does look right but this should not be a reason for his casting; although a lot of people seem to be falling into this trap.
[QUOTE]


With roles in Back to The Future, The River's Edge, Willard, every character has been shy and socially awkward. Joker is supposed to be evil and charasmatic. I just don't see him pulling it off successfully.

Exactly. Glover has the charisma of toast.

That why I like Bettany and Law.

Paul can play a psycho, and has charm in a lot of roles.

Jude has enough charisma to light up Times Square.

[Farva]

Oh boy, another Joker thread....why can't we just use one thread. We all have opinions, but we don't all start threads.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Oh boy, another Joker thread....why can't we just use one thread. We all have opinions, but we don't all start threads.


but this is a different kind of thread,unfortunatly some seem to think its another casting thread...


I believe the intention of this thread is to say you don't have to pick an actor because he looks like the joker.In this case acting ability. :up:

[Everyman]

Thanks. I'll have to check those out. I've watched Cracker before, but it was a LONG time ago and the only person I remember on it was Robbie Coltrane (who ROCKS by the way... say, if he can do an American accent, he might make an awesome Penguin).

Coltrane would indeed make a great Penguin, a much more aristocratic one than De Vito (although I loved Batman Returns, it was more a German Expressionnist fantasy than a Batman movie).

And back on the thread's topic: the actor playing Joker should have a relative ressemblance to the character, but let's not forget that 1)like every comic book character, the Joker has been drawn very differently from an artist to another 2)what matters in the end is how the actor can play the Joker.

[Farva]

but this is a different kind of thread,unfortunatly some seem to think its another casting thread...


I believe the intention of this thread is to say you don't have to pick an actor because he looks like the joker.In this case acting ability. :up:

Sooo...how is "picking an actor" different from "casting"? Sounds the same to me. But if you prefer, please, enjoy the new thread.

[TheScarecrow]

Mark Hammil here we come.

We should also title this 'don't choose actors purely because they sound like Joker'

I'm sick of hearing Mark Hamills name. The guy admits he sucks at live action, he is old, he is fat, he has no charisma, looks nothing like Joker, and somehow 'sounds exactly like' a character that has never spoken in his original medium.

I would sooner take Ashton Kutcher for Joker than I would Mark Hamill.

[Farva]

We should also title this 'don't choose actors purely because they sound like Joker'

I'm sick of hearing Mark Hamills name. The guy admits he sucks at live action, he is old, he is fat, he has no charisma, looks nothing like Joker, and somehow 'sounds exactly like' a character that has never spoken in his original medium.

I would sooner take Ashton Kutcher for Joker than I would Mark Hamill.

Aww come on now, Stan Lee likes me, why can't you?

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/the_hulk/_group_photos/mark_hamill20.jpg

Ok, Fine, I rescind my Joker application, you nasty mean people!
Signed. Mark Hamill

[Everyman]

We should also title this 'don't choose actors purely because they sound like Joker'

I'm sick of hearing Mark Hamills name. The guy admits he sucks at live action, he is old, he is fat, he has no charisma, looks nothing like Joker, and somehow 'sounds exactly like' a character that has never spoken in his original medium.

I would sooner take Ashton Kutcher for Joker than I would Mark Hamill.
Agreed. Good voices actors aren't necessarily good actors, let alone great one. Aside from his voice, Mark Hamill has nothing to play the Joker. He is not exactly reknown to be a very expressive actor, something the Joker should definitely be.

[MUGSY]

Aww come on now, Stan Lee likes me, why can't you?



http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/the_hulk/_group_photos/mark_hamill20.jpg


Ok, Fine, I rescind my Joker application, you nasty mean people!
Signed. Mark Hamill



Tha was a funny come back

[TheJuice]

Agreed. Good voices actors aren't necessarily good actors, let alone great one. Aside from his voice, Mark Hamill has nothing to play the Joker. He is not exactly reknown to be a very expressive actor, something the Joker should definitely be.


Ala Kevin Conroy

[Doubl.D]

people if we were to go on looks alone in any film, then ashton kutcher would be awesome!!!

awsome! in episode 1 in season 3 of "that 70s show", reefer madness, ash has this great look and laughter for the joker! and he is a graet actor, too.

[dos_acoustic]

I think John C. McGinley would be a pretty good choice for Joker. Hes a great actor, weird sense of humor, and a little crazy...seems about right for The Joker....

[El Payaso]

Mark Hammil is not an actor.

Ashton Kutcher is not even a human being.

[Mr. Thing]

Eccleston. I was going to slap on a dammit, but it's far too overused.

[Katsuro]

Mark Hammil is not an actor.


Wow! Does that mean he really is from a far away galaxy where he possesses superhuman abilities and a sword made out of light?!?! Cuz I always thought he was just acting.

Also, shouldn't he be in prison. I have several DVDs filled with audio recorded confessions of countless murders he's commited.

You're right about Ashton Kutcher though. Why the hell is he famous?

[El Payaso]

[Edited by Sarah Jessica Parker]

...

[Eggyman]

Eccleston's a good idea, but when i seen johnny Depp's name in the list in the other thread I was pleasently surprised. he is a great character actor, and I hope Tim Burton not directing wont stop him doing the role - if asked, that is.

[Dope Nose]

did we really need another Joker thread?

http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218366

[Mr. Thing]

did we really need another Joker thread?

http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218366

Dude, if you look, this thread was started back in 05.

[Dope Nose]

I stand corrected.

[shaggyaggie457]

Alright then, who bumped it and why?

[Steelsheen]

boredom?

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Mark Hammil is not an actor.

Ashton Kutcher is not even a human being.

I don't know I think he was a pretty damn good Luke Skywalker and his voice-acting is top-notch. He and Billy West are probably the best damn voice-actors in the business. And look at Rob Perlman's career sure it's not illustrious but he has had some hits outside of voicing videogames and cartoons. So technically you can't write off people just for that.

But yes Ashton Kutcher needs to be shot, along with alot of other celebrities nowadays.

[The Kid]

hamill's voice over Glover's acting would be bliss for me.

[shaggyaggie457]

hamill's voice over Glover's acting would be bliss for me.

Crispin Glover acting?!!!

Where?!?! Show me a movie.

And don't you dare say Willard.

[ultimatefan]

I like this thread cuz, too often, people see a manip of an actor and they think, "wow, that guy is the Joker! He HAS to be The Joker!" When all the manip does is show you if the look is right, but not what the performance will be like. I remember some actress got tons of votes for playing Wonder Woman just because there was a pic of her in a sort of Amazon suit...

[The Kid]

Crispin Glover acting?!!!

Where?!?! Show me a movie.

And don't you dare say Willard.

adrien brody then. whatever. all that matters is the hamill.

THE HAMILL!

:up:

[Ronny Shade]

peep game:

Looks are important. Face shape, nose size, stature etc aren't really. What's important is that the actor can pull off the facial expressions which are a CORE PART of the character. The evil smile, the laugh, the grimace. I haven't seen any indication that Hulme can do any of that. Eccleston, on the other hand .....:up: Bettany's somewhere in the middle.

[Mr. Thing]

Eccleston, on the other hand .....:up:

Preach it. :up:

[Cinemaman]

Well, I am for Hulme, but I would be fine with Eccleston too :up:

[Zilleraut #66]

Crispin Glover acting?!!!

Where?!?! Show me a movie.

And don't you dare say Willard.Bartelby but my choice is Robert Carlyle!!!

[tecnowraith]

Crispin Glover acting?!!!

Where?!?! Show me a movie.

And don't you dare say Willard.

Crime and Punishment (2002) .... Rodion Raskolnikov
Charlie's Angels (2000) .... Thin Man
The Doors (1991) .... Andy Warhol
Back to the Future (1985) .... George McFly

[StorminNorman]

awsome! in episode 1 in season 3 of "that 70s show", reefer madness, ash has this great look and laughter for the joker! and he is a graet actor, too.

Kutcher may be a graet actor - but a great (or even good) actor he is not.

[StorminNorman]

Crime and Punishment (2002) .... Rodion Raskolnikov
Charlie's Angels (2000) .... Thin Man
The Doors (1991) .... Andy Warhol
Back to the Future (1985) .... George McFly

When an actor has to use Charlie's Angels as a film to give his career credibility - we got a problem.

[DV8]

Crime and Punishment (2002) .... Rodion Raskolnikov
Charlie's Angels (2000) .... Thin Man
The Doors (1991) .... Andy Warhol
Back to the Future (1985) .... George McFly

Like he said . . . you gonna show us a movie that he acted in?

[shaggyaggie457]

Like he said . . . you gonna show us a movie that he acted in?

Thank you for saying it for me DV8.

I grow tired of the slow ones around these days.

[Dark Knight]

Eccleston and Hulme are my favs for Joker ahead of anyone else right now....

[shaggyaggie457]

Too bad Bettany is winning the poll!

:P

[StorminNorman]

Too bad Bettany is winning the poll!

:P

Thats ma'boy - kick em while they are down.

[shaggyaggie457]

It's a rule of the papacy.

:)

[Ronny Shade]

Crispin Glover played Raskolnikov??

That movie must've sucked.

[Wheels]

Eccleston is still my favourite choice for the Joker. He’s an incredibly versatile actor and definitely looks the part … the long nose …. the manic grin.


I took an image from one of his Doctor Who appearances and used Photoshop to see what he would look like in (a more traditional) Joker make up. What do you think?

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/Mirke101/ChristopherEcclestonasTheJoker-02.jpg

[Mr. Thing]

Wheels, can I have the original pic please? I'd like to have a go myself.

Awesome manip, by the way.

[Ronny Shade]

looks great. 'cept for the clothes.

[shaggyaggie457]

Man, I still need to learn how to do manips.

Anyone know where I can find a tutorial or anything?

[Ronny Shade]

open photoshop and start playing around. Best way to go about it.

[shaggyaggie457]

Yeah, I guess.

[Ronny Shade]

I've made a couple of bad Two-Face manips using internet pics of burned skin and the spotting tool.

[Wheels]

Here's the original picture.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/Mirke101/rose15.jpg

[Ronny Shade]

See? The man's got a smile. That's a smile. :up: :joker:


Show me a pic of this Hulme guy with a smile and we'll talk :down

[shaggyaggie457]

Yeah I've definitely decided Eccleston is my second choice.

But I still don't think that I'll need a second one.

[Mr. Thing]

Here's another one I did.

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1494/eyrsgtr5zq.jpg

[Ronny Shade]

lol

[Mr. Thing]

Here's the original picture.



Danke. :)

[Wheels]

Danke. :)


Gern geschehen :D

[Mr. Thing]

Gern geschehen :D

:D

Anyway, here's mine.

http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/595/this23vy.jpg

[Ronny Shade]

Awesome. Put him in a suit and it's perfect

[Wheels]

Nice!!! I love the grin. Looks even more deranged. :joker:

[shaggyaggie457]

I love that line. One of the best lines in B89.

[Spider-Fan83]

http://x2.putfile.com/6/17117531748.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/)

[shaggyaggie457]

Please, no perma-smile.

It's so...wrong.

[StorminNorman]

Too...much....Eccleston...
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/gangster8453.jpg

[shaggyaggie457]

If only I had a good Bettany manip I would help out the cause, Norm, but I don't.

:(

Where's mcfly with his huge pic when you need him?

[StorminNorman]

I dont have a big ass Bettany pic - but I have this:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f39/StorminNormanTho/RobinHolland-00124.jpg

Sadly the lips are all missed up :(

[StorminNorman]

Also - nice avatar :up:

[shaggyaggie457]

Yeah, you forgot the eyebrows too.

But thanks. I thought it was appropriate. :)

[StorminNorman]

Bettany's Blond Eyebrows simply dont color right :( I hate that about him :mad:

[shaggyaggie457]

You hate something about Bettany?!!!

No, it can't be!

[Ronny Shade]

he doesn't mean it

[Spider-Fan83]

http://x2.putfile.com/6/17210005537.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/)
http://x2.putfile.com/6/17210000970.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/)

[StorminNorman]

You hate something about Bettany?!!!

No, it can't be!

Well he isnt Michael Caine so he isn't perfect - infact he has two flaws: His eyebrows are hard to color on photoshop, and he moves around a lot in his sleep.

[Ronny Shade]

those are the best flaws to have

[Spider-Fan83]

Well he isnt Michael Caine so he isn't perfect - infact he has two flaws: His eyebrows are hard to color on photoshop, and he moves around a lot in his sleep.
keeps you up does he, lol

[Mr. Thing]

keeps you up does he, lol

I was about to say something insanely rude there, but I'll pass...

[Two-Face]

Michael Caine OWNS all.

[Mr. Thing]

Michael Caine OWNS all.

Woah, random, but yeah, he does.

[Zilleraut #66]

Can someone manip Robert Carlyle? http://www.nndb.com/people/828/000043699/carlyle.jpg

[StorminNorman]

keeps you up does he, lol

you get use to it :(

[Mr. Thing]

Can someone manip Robert Carlyle? http://www.nndb.com/people/828/000043699/carlyle.jpg

I'll be sure to do one tomorrow. I'm off to bed. :)

[Spider-Fan83]

Can someone manip Robert Carlyle? http://www.nndb.com/people/828/000043699/carlyle.jpg
http://x2.putfile.com/6/17218201198.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/)

[Zilleraut #66]

Nice!!! And way to clean up the mullet.

[shaggyaggie457]

Can someone manip Robert Carlyle? http://www.nndb.com/people/828/000043699/carlyle.jpg

That dude looks homeless.

[Spider-Fan83]

Nice!!! And way to clean up the mullet.
thanks guy, glad you liked it

[super_fan]

The ideal Joker? Actor Robert Knepper - he plays T-Bag in tv's Prison Break. I doubt there's an actor working today that is more suited to the part than Knepper. Two clips to show his amazing potential:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St2WdefwFjo&search=T-Bag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVv6S4Pi_I&search=T-Bag%20prison%20break

Can do creepy, looks the part - seems perfect. If he exaggerated his acting a little and did the mad laugh, he would be ideal. I can't think of anyone more suited than him. Doubt Warner Bros will find a better candidate than him.

I posted this in another thread (just in case people say "why have you already posted this?") Apparently, I posted it in the wrong thread so I've posted it here instead. Anyway, Robert Knepper is, without question, the ideal candidate to play the Joker. It's so obvious.:) I believe he was born to play the part - that's how good I think he would be.

[Spider-Fan83]

I can see where your coming from, on think he would work, but, to honiest I don't see it happening. and, his accent and voice is a lil off for the role.
http://f5.putfile.com/6/17523194241.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/)http://f5.putfile.com/6/17523243419.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/)

[Boom]

Depp.
Depp.
Depp.
Depp.
Depp.

[The Kid]

Jim Carrey =

The Mask
Riddler
(Some Day) Joker

http://www.fireflybooks.com/media/475/1552095355.jpg http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/9/275/images/00322739_lg.jpg
http://www.insomniacmania.com/news/news_2725_1.jpg http://www.famousdudes.com/pics/JimCarey/jimcarey13.jpg

too bad he won't get the role.

[Boom]

Jim Carrey =

The Mask
Riddler
(Some Day) Joker

http://www.fireflybooks.com/media/475/1552095355.jpg http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/9/275/images/00322739_lg.jpg
http://www.insomniacmania.com/news/news_2725_1.jpg http://www.famousdudes.com/pics/JimCarey/jimcarey13.jpg

too bad he won't get the role.
I'd go bat**** insane if he got it. That'd be so cool.

[wikum]

I'd go bat**** insane if he got it. That'd be so cool.

I wouldn't, it would just be The Riddler in Joker make up.

I can't see how Carey could play The Joker without it coming off similar to BF.

Don't get me wrong, under other circumstances I would imagine Carey would be the bookies favorite for the role.

[Spider-Fan83]

I am a rather big carry fan, but, I am just not feeling him as joker, maybe if it was a happy-go-luky cartoonish style joker. though, we are most likely going to see a darker side of the joker anyway. and plus, all over acting and crappies of BF a side, I just do not wanna see, anyone who was already in a bat movie. he had his moment in the bat light.
http://f5.putfile.com/6/17611414316.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/)

[shaggyaggie457]

Honestly, I thought he portrayed Riddler well, it was just horribly written and costumed.

God, the lime green spandex still gives me nightmares.

[Edenbeast]

I think Tony Curran could pull off a Joker role

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2834/odds461mq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[shaggyaggie457]

Except for the whole Red hair and Irish looking bit.

[StorminNorman]

I would be more supportive of Curran if I had a good idea of his acting ability - but he has the looks I will give you that.

[The Chairman]

Jim Carrey =

The Mask
Riddler
(Some Day) Joker

http://www.fireflybooks.com/media/475/1552095355.jpg http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/9/275/images/00322739_lg.jpg
http://www.insomniacmania.com/news/news_2725_1.jpg http://www.famousdudes.com/pics/JimCarey/jimcarey13.jpg

too bad he won't get the role.

Man, if he hadn't been in BF, he'd be my top pick before.

I would be more supportive of Curran if I had a good idea of his acting ability - but he has the looks I will give you that.

I share the same sentiments as you, my friend.

[Ongie]

There's only one Joker, my friends... and that man is Frankie Muniz.

[Dark Knight]

Eccleston or Hulme......maybe Bettany...maybe Weaving....maybe Law and no one else...

[shaggyaggie457]

There's only one Joker, my friends... and that man is Frankie Muniz.

Unless that was a horrible joke, you just lost all credibility and respect.