The Battlestar Galactica and Caprica Discussion Thread

[Bastila]

HOLY MOLY

you guys should check out the canadian Hypaspace preview of season 4 on youtube. I like the quote "how many more people can we kill? oh, about 30 000, and like a million cylons"

I saw that, I wonder who will die this season, I hope its no one I like thats just mean lol.

[Superfreak]

ok, so a little over two weeks til the final season begins, Who is your call for the final cylon?

I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say it's Apollo. Why? Because of all the characters on the show, he is literally the only one, that can 'prove' he isn't. He is the only character on the show that we know of, that actually has a parent present. This is precisely why I'm choosing Apollo as the final cylon, the union of opposites

[Sawyer]

I say Baltar. No particular reason why.

And by the way, I know that Gaius and Six are supposed to be the "villains" of the series, but I really hope those two kids get a happy ending. Is that strange?

[Bastila]

No I don't want it to be Baltar its like oh wow........boring.

Remeber what the Hybrid said in Razor about the 5th one.

I really don't know who it is. I just hope its good.

Think about the other 4 they are all in line with someone who has power in a sense.
Tigh - Adama
President aid (forgot her name) - President
Anders - Kara
Chief - Now I would say....he keeps the vipers together so the ship in a sense can't think of a person in line to power for him.

But hope you get what I mean.

[TheCorpulent1]

Tory is the name of Roslin's second aide.

[Bastila]

Tory is the name of Roslin's second aide.

Thanks, I was going to right Troy, but though no obviouslly lol.

[bullets]

Season 3 is out on dvd tommorow.

[Sawyer]

Season 3 is out on dvd tommorow.

Bought it. I only saw the last four episodes of season three, so I cant wait to watch it all.

[BlackLantern]

I want to someone to kick Callie in the babymaker...she annoys me

[BlackLantern]

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=e3a5ce75-726f-4775-8c96-3b4fa989bfec

looks like Caprica will become a tv movie ala Razor

[Bastila]

I want to someone to kick Callie in the babymaker...she annoys me

Me to, I don't know why but she bugs me loads lol.

[TheCorpulent1]

You guys are heartless bastards. Callie's awesome. :(

[Bastila]

She's awsome? When was she awsome????????

[TheCorpulent1]

She bit that one dude who was gonna kill her in the prison episode. That was pretty awesome.

[LexCorp]

I have been gone a while.....on holiday rather

Has season 4 started yet?

[Superfreak]

april 4th I beleive, couple of weeks

[LexCorp]

Thanks S Freak

[Bastila]

I have been gone a while.....on holiday rather

Has season 4 started yet?

April the 8th for UK frakkers on Sky One.

And your back Lexastila is back :heart:

[EdRyder]

Top Ten Reasons to watch the new season of Battlestar Galactica

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[Sawyer]

Six: There's a good chance you'll see me naked.

Tigh: There's a good chance you'll see me naked.

:lmao:

[Sawyer]

So, I've gotten through the first few episodes of season three. Pretty damn good, but...what was the purpose of making Lee get fat? It just seemed like kind of a lame idea. It's kinda like "Oh, most of humanity is on New Caprica, which is now under the control of the cylons, so now I call dibs on all of their food."
The only good part of it was Adama calling Lee a fatass.

[Darthphere]

Top Ten Reasons to watch the new season of Battlestar Galactica

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A Google search will provide me with naked Six.

So, I've gotten through the first few episodes of season three. Pretty damn good, but...what was the purpose of making Lee get fat? It just seemed like kind of a lame idea. It's kinda like "Oh, most of humanity is on New Caprica, which is now under the control of the cylons, so now I call dibs on all of their food."
The only good part of it was Adama calling Lee a fatass.

If you don't get it, you'll never will. Its about becoming complacent.

[Sawyer]

So, he just didnt give a crap. Okay.

[Darthphere]

So, he just didnt give a crap. Okay.

I mean, Adama ****ing explains it in the scene where he calls him a fatass. How did you miss it?:huh:

[The Apocalypse]

The only reason Lee married Dee was because he thought she was a Chocolate Bar.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's just mean. I liked Lee and Dee. :(

[BlackLantern]

I do not like Dee....she was good as a second tier character in small doses...now she comes off as needy...

[Sawyer]

I liked Dee with Billy and then Lee came around to her and she changed. He tainted her, that bastard!

[BlackLantern]

Dee just did what most women do....Billy was just an aide while Lee was a hot s**t Viper pilot...she was looking for the jump in the social status ladder.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's a sad state when wanting to actually have a relationship with her husband makes her "needy." :(

[BlackLantern]

It's a sad state when wanting to actually have a relationship with her husband makes her "needy." :(

well as far as I'm concerned her and Callie can get blown out of an airlock. Off topic...nice link in your sig there Corp...I-Man was one of my favorites as well and I'm happy to see it on dvd after forever...

[Sawyer]

Not to interrupt your Callie/Dee hatin', Black Lantern, but I would just like to point out that I want to make a half cylon baby with one of the sixes.



That is all.

[BlackLantern]

Not to interrupt your Callie/Dee hatin', Black Lantern, but I would just like to point out that I want to make a half cylon baby with one of the sixes.



That is all.

Sounds good to me....I was upset when they killed Kat off, I really liked her....I like Racetrack alot too...

[ariellem]

Helo as the final Cylon?

I was hating this idea until earlier tonight.

The Cylons have been trying build models that imitate humans. The earlier models are ruthless and psychotic. The later models (the four, possibly plus Sharon) are human enough to doubt their Cylon dreams - but they reject Cylon mates. They even reject their own mates (Tigh killed Ellen without much trouble, although he certainly misses her and resents it now).

Helo is the one who stood up for and stayed with Sharon even when he knew she was a Cylon; he was human enough to hesitate before killing her at her request - a self-sacrifice for him, and completely against his (programmed?) morals. He is the one who transcends the baser aspects of humanity to try to see the greater good. He has shown the willingness to be a father and thus to protect the helpless (unlike Gaeta, whose romantic side hasn't been touched on much, and we know the Cylons are programmed to try to reproduce like humans do).

The show originally had Helo as a minor character but they gave him much more of a role because he was popular with the fans. Maybe they gave him this too.

[Sawyer]

I doubt Helo's the final cylon...

[phoenixflight]

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New promo's :D

Finally sitting down and watching all of Season 3 now, preparing for Season 4. I can not wait for the final season. This show is prue genius!! So many questions to answer...this is going to be one hell of a season.

BIG QUESTION: Who is the 12th Cylon?
What are all their numbers and does it have a meaning?
Why did the Final Five reject/abandon Cylon culture?
Are each of the Final Five the only models of them or are there multipule copies?

BIG QUESTION: Will they find Earth?
At what point in Earth's history (past, present or future) will they arrive?
How will they fit into Earth's culture...will we see it happen?

[Sawyer]

My ending would be them finding earth, getting off Galactica, and finding that it is 1977.

The first person they meet is Glen A. Larson.

He asks them what is going on, and they say "Have we got a story for you."

They tell him everything that has happened, starting with the destruction of Caprica.

After hearing this, he runs off to ABC and tells them, "I have a pitch."

THe last scene of the series involves the crew of Galactica sitting around and watching the original Battlestar Galactica, and just sitting there in shock.

[EdRyder]

Possible Spoilers(possible as in:Could be true)

Based on everything Ive read from Patriot Resource,Galactica makes it to Earth early on in the season .About 4 or 5 episodes in if I remember correctly
Patriot Resource (http://http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers.html)

[Superfreak]

My ending would be them finding earth, getting off Galactica, and finding that it is 1977.

The first person they meet is Glen A. Larson.

He asks them what is going on, and they say "Have we got a story for you."

They tell him everything that has happened, starting with the destruction of Caprica.

After hearing this, he runs off to ABC and tells them, "I have a pitch."

THe last scene of the series involves the crew of Galactica sitting around and watching the original Battlestar Galactica, and just sitting there in shock.



I'm still down with the planet of the apes ending. Adama walks along the nice beach in the warm air,,, comes across what left of the statue of liberty... Damn YOU

[phoenixflight]

The Glen Larson 1977 and the Planet of the Apes endings are funny as hell, but really, I can't wait to see Season 4.

I am also thinking of who the 12th Cylon is. After completing the 3rd season, my feelings rest with Tom Zarek as the last of the Final Five. It has to be someone that wasn't on Galactica at the time. If that person was, they would also have shown up in the final scene.

[Speedball]

Not to interrupt your Callie/Dee hatin', Black Lantern, but I would just like to point out that I want to make a half cylon baby with one of the sixes.



That is all.
I want to make cylon babies with Anders...but wait...how would we have babies...

[Sawyer]

I want to make cylon babies with Anders...but wait...how would we have babies...

Lulz.

[BlackLantern]

I want to make cylon babies with Anders...but wait...how would we have babies...

You could certainly have fun trying....over and over...

[Speedball]

You could certainly have fun trying....over and over...:woot::woot::woot:

[phoenixflight]

:woot::woot::woot:

You may have to wait in line...Anders is MINE!!!...lol.

[phoenixflight]

Is this a new cast member (the woman standing above Roslin)??

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/407/battleid3.jpg

[Speedball]

Is this a new cast member (the woman standing above Roslin)??

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/407/battleid3.jpg
Umm...I think it's Caprica Six...It's not Tory...I think...

[Speedball]

You may have to wait in line...Anders is MINE!!!...lol.
Well...we could have one big threesome...
I'd rather have Billy...but he's dead.:csad::csad:

[phoenixflight]

Umm...I think it's Caprica Six...It's not Tory...I think...

It doesn't really look like a Six. I wonder who it is?? It should have been Tory...what is going on??

And I still wonder are there multiple copies of the Final Five, and why did the 'switch' in the four Cylons kick on?? The multiples of the Final Five already on Earth? So many questions.

PS...
A threesome could be fun, and Billy was really cute.

[BlackLantern]

Is this a new cast member (the woman standing above Roslin)??

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/407/battleid3.jpg

I believe that's Lucy Lawless....as her character will be back this season....

[Sawyer]

Thats another copy of Six, guys...

Her name is Natalie, I believe.

[The Apocalypse]

Thats a new 6 model.

EDIT: My pick for the final Cylon is Baltar. I believe he dies in the first or second ep, and by the end of the season he reappears as the final Cylon. I don't feel like going into detail, but I strongly feel that way. Though, having Tom Zarek as the final Cylon wouldn't disappoint me at all.

[phoenixflight]

It does look like Lucy Lawless...a little. I really don't think it's a Six though.

[Speedball]

I believe that's Lucy Lawless....as her character will be back this season....
I was thinking that too...I think that's the same blond hair color...and OMG! It's the last supper!

[phoenixflight]

Here are the Final Four...can't wait to find out the 5th and final model. I still feel it's between Tom Zarek or Felix Gaeta.
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1973/finalfourbsgqx8.jpg


Here is a pic of Number's THREE, SIX and EIGHT for the 4th season...
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8374/womenbsgav2.jpg

Here is a site link for more high res promo pics of the cast for Season 4...
http://www.galacticastation.com/Gallery/hi%20res/Season4/promo/gallery.htm

[DBM]

It does look like Lucy Lawless...a little. I really don't think it's a Six though.

It's definitely a Six. Ron Moore confirmed it weeks ago.

[Superfreak]

Here are the Final Four...can't wait to find out the 5th and final model. I still feel it's between Tom Zarek or Felix Gaeta.
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1973/finalfourbsgqx8.jpg


Here is a pic of Number's THREE, SIX and EIGHT for the 4th season...
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8374/womenbsgav2.jpg

Here is a site link for more high res promo pics of the cast for Season 4...
http://www.galacticastation.com/Gallery/hi%20res/Season4/promo/gallery.htm

disagree, still think it's gonna be one of the Adamas. Either Apollo, or Bill. There has to be shock factor about who the last Cylon is... and Gaeta or Zarek, I don't find shocking at all. Gaeta would actually be quite obvious.

[phoenixflight]

disagree, still think it's gonna be one of the Adamas. Either Apollo, or Bill. There has to be shock factor about who the last Cylon is... and Gaeta or Zarek, I don't find shocking at all. Gaeta would actually be quite obvious.

What if Gaeta was our first gay humanoid Cylon. Now that has shock value.

[The Apocalypse]

What if Gaeta was our first gay humanoid Cylon. Now that has shock value.

:lmao: This could happen..

[Sawyer]

Gaeta's gay?

[Superfreak]

What if Gaeta was our first gay humanoid Cylon. Now that has shock value.


didn't we already have some cylon homosexuality at some point already? Didn't Six munch on Three's rug, while Baltar was doing the plumbing?

[The Apocalypse]

Yeah and the other Six model and Admiral Cain got it going on.

[BlackLantern]

Yeah and the other Six model and Admiral Cain got it going on.

She is the one who is still hiding out in the fleet somewhere....

[phoenixflight]

She is the one who is still hiding out in the fleet somewhere....

I believe she is dead...suicide with a nuclear bomb after having sex with Baltar. If Gaeta was gay (hoping) and a Cylon (possible but doubtful), he would be the first male gay cylon. He could hook up with one of the Five's.

The CIC...
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9094/cicoj3.jpg

[FadingCB]

Haven't posted in this thread since the season ended last year lol. Seems like forever, but with the new season poping up soon I might as well start reading this thread again.

Ok my guesses for this season -

1. Starbuck is accused of being a Cylon but isnt, and as such is confined to quarters and accused of being a traitor. However Starbuck stays defiant determined to fufill her destiny of leading them to Earth. Reason of them thinking she's a Cylon, she "died" in the wormhole and appeared alive.

2. The 5th Cylon is the President. Starbuck's husband got sick on new Caprica, yet is a Cylon. The President recieved half Cylon blood and healed instantly. What's more, she's going to die eventually, why not have it as a kick ass Cylon moment.

3. Earth has Cylons on it, they reach Earth to find out it's not a safe haven. Or maybe Cylon's and humans co-existing.

4. Baltaar is more than a normal Cylon. Someone had an interesting theory that he's actually the Cylon God they always talk about.

[LexCorp]

didn't we already have some cylon homosexuality at some point already? Didn't Six munch on Three's rug, while Baltar was doing the plumbing?

lol

Yes a cyclon threeway was cool

[The Apocalypse]

Just to let people know, tomorrow at 10 and 13:30 on Sci-Fi, their having some shows about BSG. I think the writers are going to be talking about the past and upcoming seasons.

[LexCorp]

Just to let people know, tomorrow at 10 and 13:30 on Sci-Fi, their having some shows about BSG. I think the writers are going to be talking about the past and upcoming seasons.

Is that UK sci-fi or US sci-fi?

[The Apocalypse]

US sci-fi

[ROOR]

Yeah the first half hour is supposed to be a season four sneak peak and the second half hour is supposed to be like documentary on the last 3 seasons and the miniseries.

[ariellem]

Is this a new cast member (the woman standing above Roslin)??

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/407/battleid3.jpg

The woman standing above the President is indeed a new Six, named Natalie, as others have confirmed. This is Tricia Helfer with her actual hair and normal makeup and clothes, much like when she was Gina.

[phoenixflight]

I thought about the President being a Cylon but dismissed it. Roslin would make it a kick ass shocker, however I don't feel she is. If she were a Cylon why didn't she respond to the music being played and end up in the room with the other four?? Did her cancer prevent the music switch from turning on?? Having her as a Cylon seems a bit to obvious too.

I feel it is someone who wasn't on the ship. I'm still betting on Tom Zarek. I see his character coming more to the forefront of the storyline to find Earth. As the President's cancer continues to have impact on her private and political life, Tom will step it up as the Vice President and make some crucial decisions. As his role gets stronger, his revelation of being a Cylon would also be a cool shocker.

Wasn't Roslin's Cylon dreams Hera induced?

[BlackLantern]

yes they were....but they used Heras' blood to stop Roslins' cancer the first time......so whatever is in cylon blood is now running through the Presidents' veins...

[EdRyder]

I thought about the President being a Cylon but dismissed it. Roslin would make it a kick ass shocker, however I don't feel she is. If she were a Cylon why didn't she respond to the music being played and end up in the room with the other four?? Did her cancer prevent the music switch from turning on?? Having her as a Cylon seems a bit to obvious too.

I feel it is someone who wasn't on the ship. I'm still betting on Tom Zarek. I see his character coming more to the forefront of the storyline to find Earth. As the President's cancer continues to have impact on her private and political life, Tom will step it up as the Vice President and make some crucial decisions. As his role gets stronger, his revelation of being a Cylon would also be a cool shocker.

Wasn't Roslin's Cylon dreams Hera induced?

Its possible that Roslin may be the final cylon.Dont forget Roslin's hallucination in which she saw Leoben and knew he was a cylon.

[LexCorp]

Oh that is cool.

The new 6!

[phoenixflight]

yes they were....but they used Heras' blood to stop Roslins' cancer the first time......so whatever is in cylon blood is now running through the Presidents' veins...

Well seeing that her cancer is back, is it safe to say that the Cylon blood has run through her system and she is back to normal?? But she is having Cylon dreams...

[Superfreak]

Well seeing that her cancer is back, is it safe to say that the Cylon blood has run through her system and she is back to normal?? But she is having Cylon dreams...

she was never having Cylon dreams: She was on Kamala at the beginning of the series to slow her Cancer. Kamala allowed her to tap into visions, as Pythian Oracles do, and allowed her to predict the battle in 'Hand of God'. I think it's a safe assumption, that Kamala allows the president to access that higher plain, where Baseship Hybrids and Oracles draw their visions and predictions from.

Hera's blood then came along, which cured her temporarily (ie. she is not a cylon).

But now that the blood has passed through her, her cancer has returned, resulting in her Kamala habit returning. Apollo exposed her in the season 3 finale... and it might result in her downfall as president, and rise as a religious leader.... which would bring the President back into conflict with Baltar.

The presidents resumption of her Kamala routine, may also play heavily in her treatment of Starbuck when she returns to galactic

[phoenixflight]

she was never having Cylon dreams: She was on Kamala at the beginning of the series to slow her Cancer. Kamala allowed her to tap into visions, as Pythian Oracles do, and allowed her to predict the battle in 'Hand of God'. I think it's a safe assumption, that Kamala allows the president to access that higher plain, where Baseship Hybrids and Oracles draw their visions and predictions from.

Hera's blood then came along, which cured her temporarily (ie. she is not a cylon).

But now that the blood has passed through her, her cancer has returned, resulting in her Kamala habit returning. Apollo exposed her in the season 3 finale... and it might result in her downfall as president, and rise as a religious leader.... which would bring the President back into conflict with Baltar.

The presidents resumption of her Kamala routine, may also play heavily in her treatment of Starbuck when she returns to galactic

Forget about the Kamala but the 'visions' between Six, Athena, Hera and Roslin was simultaneous.

[Superfreak]

Forget about the Kamala but the 'visions' between Six, Athena, Hera and Roslin was simultaneous.

I can't specifically remember, she may have been on kamala at the time. When was that? I remember it happening, just not when

[TheCorpulent1]

She doesn't necessarily have to be a Cylon to have shared visions or dreams or whatever. There are a lot of metaphysical mysteries in BSG. Maybe there's some shared universal consciousness that humans and Cylons can all tap into or something.

[phoenixflight]

She doesn't necessarily have to be a Cylon to have shared visions or dreams or whatever. There are a lot of metaphysical mysteries in BSG. Maybe there's some shared universal consciousness that humans and Cylons can all tap into or something.

I don't believe Roslin is a Cylon, but I am curious that Human and Cylon shared a common dream.

[Superfreak]

I don't believe Roslin is a Cylon, but I am curious that Human and Cylon shared a common dream.

well that's what I was getting at. It's all the same thing that they are tapping into. Baltar's 'dreams', the presidents visions/drug induced halucinations, the babbling of the hybrids, the prophecies of the oracles.

really, I'm more interested in the music. Only the 'almost final' four seem to hear it. Athena didn't seem to hear it, so I'm infering that the first 7 can't hear it.

moreover, I'm interest in Nicky, because he is now also a cylon human hybrid, depending on if Callie turns out to be something important. Does this baby also share in the same aspects as Hera?


any speculation as to how are heroes are going to get out of the battle they are about to fight: I read somewhere about cylons protesting other cylons, for their treatment of raiders and whatnot. Cylon civil war? I suppose they've been building on that concept for a while, with the dissagreements on NC as well as the boxing of 3, for a time.

[Evelisse]

4 More Days :D beginning of the end...

http://www.kampfstern-galactica.net/bilder/charaktere/commander-adama-gr.jpg

[FadingCB]

A page or two ago I made a few predictions, I stand by all of them but one. Having some time to think it over, I take back what I said about Earth. I don't think they'll find Cylons there, but I have a feeling they'll either an Earth with no one on it, or a primitive Earth (or just one that went thru a war and became less technological in the process). Either way they'll probably reach Earth and realize they came all that way and now have their backs against the wall. With no help from Earth, and no where else to go they will have to destroy the Cylons who have them cornered in a big climatic fight ending with Adama's death as he goes down saving everyone somehow. Also they'll have to protect their new home Earth from the Cylons as well.

Not that they couldn't get there and find Cylons, but I was thinking Earth will probably be found at or near the last episode. So if they found Cylons there they'd be in major trouble, or if humans and Cylons were coexisting it'd add a story arc and no time to tell it.

[BlackLantern]

I think Baltar is some sort of prophet in all this.....

[Superfreak]

I think Baltar is some sort of prophet in all this.....

maybe we'll finally find out what baltar's deal is. In the beginning, it was between he and the president, competing for the position of the fabled leader in the prophecy. But as the series has progressed, when he went with the cylons, he moved away from that. Now he's come back to the messiah complex that he and the president both share... just he's crazy

[BlackLantern]

there was a lot of stuff late in season 1 and early in season 2 about Baltars' "purpose"....I think its going to get back to that in this season. Sci Fi is being smart and running the whole of BSG all this week all day from 9-6 pm. as for dvds' I'm waiting untill they put everything in one big set...

[TheCorpulent1]

You'll probably have to wait a while. They're still splitting individual seasons up into two sets.

[BlackLantern]

Season 1 and 3 are full sets...the only separated season is 2.0 and 2.5 I know it will be a long wait but I want the whole run....so Season 4 wont be on dvd until next year at least....so I'm stuck for the time being.

[Sawyer]

Details on the Caprica pilot...

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=e1304fb7-b29d-4d3e-9873-d2230fcfc998

Sounds pretty good to me.

[Darthphere]

Sounds ****ing retarded.

[LadyVader]

Are you sure this isn't some April Fool's prank? Just sounds a little... silly to me. And it goes against what Moore said previously about Caprica, that there won't be any ancestors in the pilot, and also... it's a little detailed for such an early description of a pilot/

[tupelohoney]

2 More Days :D beginning of the end...

Ahh...I'm like, excited anxious and sad, all at the same time...why can't BSG go on forever??

Anyway...can't wait for the S4 premiere!! I'm actually gonna head-up to a friends apt. in NYC to see if we can snag one of these free-frakkin'-BSG-pizzas!! (http://acedmagazine.com/content/view/1095/) Guess it's going on in LA,too...but, I don't know that I can travel that far, at this point...:oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

Details on the Caprica pilot...

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=e1304fb7-b29d-4d3e-9873-d2230fcfc998

Sounds pretty good to me.
Some elements sound good, some sound silly. I'm not a huge fan of prequels coming after the main story, but I guess it could be good if they apply the same level of writing and mind-trippiness.

[LexCorp]

After seeing the trailer for the new season I already took too much info from it. The fact that they seem to be treating Starbuck as a cylon grinds my gears.

[Angry Sentinel]

Starbuck is not a cylon like the 12, she's probably just a hybrid... maybe the original hybrid. They have intentionally left Starbuck's father in the shadows, and her mother seems to know she is special, and different. She proclaimed that she treated Starbuck harshly because she was preparing her.

Baltar does have the same psychosis as the character from 'fight club'. But he is also a
gifted 'soothsayer', which is why can foresee things before they happen. The combination of his own inability to deal with himself and the blow to the head from the blast that hit his place brought it out more vividly, just as his psychosis told him in one of the earlier episodes.

[ariellem]

Starbuck is not a cylon like the 12, she's probably just a hybrid... maybe the original hybrid. They have intentionally left Starbuck's father in the shadows, and her mother seems to know she is special, and different. She proclaimed that she treated Starbuck harshly because she was preparing her.

...which would explain a lot. Let's just hope that Starbuck's father is a Cylon and NOT Adama Sr.! That would make her Lee's half-sister. Ew.

As for other speculations - hubby says no way to my suggestion that Helo is the 12th Cylon ("not flawed enough" to be one), but he believes that the final four hearing "Watchtower" proves the Cylons have already been to Earth.

I also like the suggestions of Zarek or Roslin being the 12th. Roslin is pretty obvious, but Zarek - hadn't thought of that one. That would really turn the series around. Apollo -> wacko separatist -> final Cylon.

[TheCorpulent1]

She and Lee should totally be related. Look, there's 50,000 people left to completely rebuild the entire human race. Let's not kid ourselves; there's gonna be some incest there.

[union_jak]

Now that it's about to start I'm happy just going with the story and not spoiling myself. It's not a very predictable show is it?

[TheCorpulent1]

It really isn't.

[FadingCB]

As for other speculations - hubby says no way to my suggestion that Helo is the 12th Cylon ("not flawed enough" to be one), but he believes that the final four hearing "Watchtower" proves the Cylons have already been to Earth.


I agree that this series is more unpredictable than most, tho some parts have been easily guessed ahead of time. I also admit I have no clue what I thinks going to happen with Earth, you might be right and they have been there, it's like everytime I think about it I have a new theory lol. I've alrdy posted 2 so I give and am just going to enjoy it.

However, let's not forget the Cylon's keep saying "this has all happened before and will happen again". For all we know the story will take a Matrix twist and the Cylons use the cycle of war to keep the human's in check. Take the survivors, send them in twelve directions to start again, war with them having them head towards Earth instinctively, all to better understand humanity thru it's struggles maybe?

[LadyVader]

o_O

I just threw up a little in my mouth.

[ariellem]

However, let's not forget the Cylon's keep saying "this has all happened before and will happen again". For all we know the story will take a Matrix twist and the Cylons use the cycle of war to keep the human's in check. Take the survivors, send them in twelve directions to start again, war with them having them head towards Earth instinctively, all to better understand humanity thru it's struggles maybe?

Which makes Starbuck "The One." That would be how she remembered the Eye of Jupiter as a child.

Need to come up with a new abbreviation here: YACC/-I (Yet Another Cool Concept/Idea).

[Angry Sentinel]

...which would explain a lot. Let's just hope that Starbuck's father is a Cylon and NOT Adama Sr.! That would make her Lee's half-sister. Ew.

As for other speculations - hubby says no way to my suggestion that Helo is the 12th Cylon ("not flawed enough" to be one), but he believes that the final four hearing "Watchtower" proves the Cylons have already been to Earth.

I also like the suggestions of Zarek or Roslin being the 12th. Roslin is pretty obvious, but Zarek - hadn't thought of that one. That would really turn the series around. Apollo -> wacko separatist -> final Cylon. If it were Adama Sr, that would 'blow' so much. I like the idea that she has been his 'adopted' daughter even though he had no familial obligation to her. Just a good man that saw a young woman that needed a father figure and was happy to ablige the role.

I think the best indication that Helo is not a Cylon is that he and Agathon had a child, and a Cylon and another Cylon are not supposed be able to achieve that one. But we all know that could change.

I like the idea that the Cylons have already been to earth, that would make for one hell of revelation. It would also explain a lot about their motive and knowledge of the 'One' God concept they adopted.

All the other speculative characters are also very likely, but I think I'm hanging in there for a character that was already introduced but died...like Billy, or Kat. That would be some real WOW factor.

[Superfreak]

All the other speculative characters are also very likely, but I think I'm hanging in there for a character that was already introduced but died...like Billy, or Kat. That would be some real WOW factor.

that's the thing, all the choices available lack the wow factor, unless it's someone that we must rule out (ie. dead). Apollo would have a wow factor, because he's the only one with a parent that we know of present. Could be Kendra, to tie things together with that tangent.

and yeah, what of the first Hybrid, and it's warning?


so here's the thing, you guys were talking about Starbuck not being cylon, but part cylon. Would it be wierd, and right down the alley of this show, if Leoben was Kara's father. That would FREAK ME out

[BlackLantern]

if anyone is interested...check out this weeks' Entertainment Weekly...good interview with Katee Sackhoff....

[phoenixflight]

If we are really looking at dead cast members coming back as Cylons, my vote is for Ellen Tigh. She personifies all seven deadly sins plus...

I also believe that the Final Five have already been to Earth, but I still wonder how many copies of each of them are around?

[The Apocalypse]

Less then 24 hours now! I'm really excited for this. Haven't been this excited for a TV show since Season 6 of 24, but it ended up as a let down. Hopefully this won't.

[BlackLantern]

IMO Colonel Tigh's character was at his best when he was running the resistance on New Caprica....

[BlackLantern]

I feel that the FTL jump into New Caprica move deserves an official name. I have some suggestions.

1. Galactica drops it like its hot

2. Admiral Adama..or How I learned to stop worrying and love my Colonial Viper

3. Galactica Hadou-Ken (for the street fighter fans)

[phoenixflight]

Remembering Season 3...that FTL jump into New Caprica was simply the BEST!!! Beyond words! That, the revelation of the Final Four Cylons, and when Athena was shot by Helo. My favorite three moments.

[ariellem]

First, it would be creepy to have Leoben turn out to be Kara's dad, because it seems like he's usually trying to get her in bed. Didn't he forcefully kiss her (and not like a dad would) at least once? Aside from that it would be a brilliant idea.


I like the idea that the Cylons have already been to earth, that would make for one hell of revelation. It would also explain a lot about their motive and knowledge of the 'One' God concept they adopted.

How about this for a twist, Matrix-style as proposed?

The current characters get to Earth and find it completely populated by Cylons. They discover/are told that a looong time ago, Cylons originally landed on an all-human Earth. These long-ago Cylons accidentally wiped out the entire human race, but not before adopting their "One" God and some other aspects because they admired those things so much. Ever since then, they have been trying to atone by recreating the human civilization that they originally wiped out: they're trying to make themselves look human, act human, have children as humans do. Each generation gets closer, but at some point the project fails and they have to start all over again.

The "twelve" Cylon models are the models chosen to bear the guilt, memory, and purpose of the whole enterprise. The others are programmed with false memories to encourage them to rise above the fray. As we have seen in the first three seasons, it isn't going so well.

Starbuck is programmed each time with their institutional memory. Kamala extract allows any "human" Cylon to access the institutional memory (as per the other poster's suggestion that Roslin taps into the Cylons' communications when she's on Kamala).

Basically, the current characters get to Earth and find out that they're ALL Cylons who were programmed to emulate humans. They're doomed to be destroyed and recreated and/or scattered to the twelve colonies over and over again until they get all of the bugs out and are finally able to "repopulate" the Earth as it was originally populated. This time around, the biggest bug is the number of gods they believe in. Oh, and they're trying to destroy the Cylons, rather than coexist. On the positive side, this round the reproductive attempts are going a lot better than in previous loops through the system.

[Darthphere]

****ing crazy yo.

[Evelisse]

So Say We All.

[LexCorp]

First, it would be creepy to have Leoben turn out to be Kara's dad, because it seems like he's usually trying to get her in bed. Didn't he forcefully kiss her (and not like a dad would) at least once? Aside from that it would be a brilliant idea.




How about this for a twist, Matrix-style as proposed?

The current characters get to Earth and find it completely populated by Cylons. They discover/are told that a looong time ago, Cylons originally landed on an all-human Earth. These long-ago Cylons accidentally wiped out the entire human race, but not before adopting their "One" God and some other aspects because they admired those things so much. Ever since then, they have been trying to atone by recreating the human civilization that they originally wiped out: they're trying to make themselves look human, act human, have children as humans do. Each generation gets closer, but at some point the project fails and they have to start all over again.

The "twelve" Cylon models are the models chosen to bear the guilt, memory, and purpose of the whole enterprise. The others are programmed with false memories to encourage them to rise above the fray. As we have seen in the first three seasons, it isn't going so well.

Starbuck is programmed each time with their institutional memory. Kamala extract allows any "human" Cylon to access the institutional memory (as per the other poster's suggestion that Roslin taps into the Cylons' communications when she's on Kamala).

Basically, the current characters get to Earth and find out that they're ALL Cylons who were programmed to emulate humans. They're doomed to be destroyed and recreated and/or scattered to the twelve colonies over and over again until they get all of the bugs out and are finally able to "repopulate" the Earth as it was originally populated. This time around, the biggest bug is the number of gods they believe in. Oh, and they're trying to destroy the Cylons, rather than coexist. On the positive side, this round the reproductive attempts are going a lot better than in previous loops through the system.

Well if that was the case I would love to see the Oracle cylon :)

[FadingCB]

that's the thing, all the choices available lack the wow factor, unless it's someone that we must rule out (ie. dead). Apollo would have a wow factor, because he's the only one with a parent that we know of present. Could be Kendra, to tie things together with that tangent.



I do think there's one choice for the last Cylon that would semi shock me and still fit right, Dualla. Just because she's always so calm and laid back, so quiet. If she suddenly went Cylon and it turned out she somehow knew all along (which is why she didn't show up for the music), and suddenly shows her true self and changes her attitude or something it could provide a more interesting twist than the other Cylon guesses. Then if she dies at the end, and Sanders does too, then Starbuck and Lee relatioship they've been hinting at since the beginning can happen (not saying I want it too so much, just saying it'd make it possible).

[Superfreak]

I feel that the FTL jump into New Caprica move deserves an official name. I have some suggestions.

1. Galactica drops it like its hot

2. Admiral Adama..or How I learned to stop worrying and love my Colonial Viper

3. Galactica Hadou-Ken (for the street fighter fans)


it has one, it's been called the Adama Manoever since it happened over a year ago now

[LexCorp]

it has one, it's been called the Adama Manoever since it happened over a year ago now

A good name however lacks passion. :oldrazz:

[Superfreak]

IMO Colonel Tigh's character was at his best when he was running the resistance on New Caprica....


you're joking right. His best momments were by far after new caprica. After he killed Ellen was where the total brilliance began. From coming to terms with her (at the time), while facing off against Bulldog and Adama, to when he returned to the CIC. All that stuff was what really made Tigh an awesome character.

it wasn't til the music began playing that Hogan's quality was tested again.

[LexCorp]

you're joking right. His best momments were by far after new caprica. After he killed Ellen was where the total brilliance began. From coming to terms with her (at the time), while facing off against Bulldog and Adama, to when he returned to the CIC. All that stuff was what really made Tigh an awesome character.

it wasn't til the music began playing that Hogan's quality was tested again.

Tigh is a fantastic character. I found it hard to stomch what he had to do to his wife. What his wife had to go through. I hated the cylons so much at the start of season 3. I am still filled with anger towards them even though they are fictional Tighs issues were so serve it makes me sad.

BSG is very compelling

[Angry Sentinel]

First, it would be creepy to have Leoben turn out to be Kara's dad, because it seems like he's usually trying to get her in bed. Didn't he forcefully kiss her (and not like a dad would) at least once? Aside from that it would be a brilliant idea.

Yeah I’ve considered the Leoben idea a few times and it gave me a pedo-incest vibe too. But you have to admit, SuperFreak is right, that does have some WOW factor, it just also has some “Yuk” factor too.

How about this for a twist, Matrix-style as proposed?

The current characters get to Earth and find it completely populated by Cylons. Edit... but at some point the project fails and they have to start all over again.

The "twelve" Cylon models are the models chosen to bear the guilt, memory, and purpose of the whole enterprise.

Starbuck is programmed each time with their institutional memory. Kamala extract allows any "human" Cylon to access the institutional memory (as per the other poster's suggestion that Roslin taps into the Cylons' communications when she's on Kamala).

Basically, the current characters get to Earth and find out that they're ALL Cylons who were programmed to emulate humans. They're doomed to be destroyed and recreated and/or scattered to the twelve colonies over and over again until they get all of the bugs out and are finally able to "repopulate" the Earth as it was originally populated.
****ing crazy yo.

So Say We All.
Hahahaha.. “The so say we all” is brilliant. I have to agree with everyone else, Ariellem that is a whole lot of crazy. It’s so convoluted that it would actually fit this show rather well. And if that idea didn’t parallel the matrix so much it might be considered one of the best sci-fi show endings ever.

Things I like: I love, love, love having the twelve have a connection to Earth and actually having a plan. This seemed like the direction the show was originally going in but in the last few seasons, 7 of the 12 have seemed just as ‘fracked-up’ and clueless as the humans. I don’t buy that idea though, It is obvious to me that they
could destroy these people anytime they felt like it. So I would be very happy if some of the final revelations actually bring this concept full circle and explain it to us.

Also, your link between Kamala and the Cylon consciousness is also a good idea. These two things have been illustrated too often for there not to be a reasonable explanation. (I think Superfreak has already given a pretty good one with the concept of it just being a supernatural collective that they both tap into)

Things I don’t like: All the participants of the show being Cylons seems too much of a cop-out. It would undo all the genocide issues that have made up a good part of the show, and kind of let the Cylons off the hook.

[LexCorp]

I remember that the original show when they got to Earth was the 1980s Earth. Do you think the same thing will happen here. They stumble upon a modern day Earth as we know it?

[Angry Sentinel]

Could be, but I think it would be a bit of a let down. Earth has to have a little bit of a twist, something the audience didn't see coming.

So if it is current day Earth, then they would have to work harder for a 'twist' factor. Which could be done, I just don't know what it will be.

[LexCorp]

Indeed

The biggest question a modern day Earth would pose is how do we have two different types of humans in two places of the universe?

[Darthphere]

Modern Day Earth, we're all Cylons.

[TheCorpulent1]

Indeed

The biggest question a modern day Earth would pose is how do we have two different types of humans in two places of the universe?
God went a little overboard and evacuated the Jews out of Egypt all the way to the other side of the universe. :up:

[LexCorp]

God went a little overboard and evacuated the Jews out of Egypt all the way to the other side of the universe. :up:

You know it makes sense.

[Superfreak]

God went a little overboard and evacuated the Jews out of Egypt all the way to the other side of the universe. :up:


what does that mean for the Palestinians when Galactica gets here?

[TheCorpulent1]

The Colonials don't even know what Palestine is, so they're cool.

[LexCorp]

Hmm

I think Starbuck went back to Earth prior to the invention of the Starbucks coffe chain - she landed on Earth and met a business man from the 80s had a bit of a fling and then left Earth again.

The man she left longs for her still so opened up a chain of coffe places called Starbucks. A fitting tribute.

[TheCorpulent1]

... Until Starbuck returns to Earth at the end of the series and is all, "I don't even like coffee."

[LexCorp]

... Until Starbuck returns to Earth at the end of the series and is all, "I don't even like coffee."

Indeed

A heartbreaking waste of time

[FadingCB]

I remember that the original show when they got to Earth was the 1980s Earth. Do you think the same thing will happen here. They stumble upon a modern day Earth as we know it?

Nah, so far this show has been trying to steer clear of traditional twists which is part of what made it so enjoyable. Having them reach Earth in a similar twist to the original series, I just don't see it happening as it's something many (even some of the actors in interviews) have guessed would happen. My guess is they find some ending that we just wouldn't have seen coming, whether that makes it a good twist or not we'll have to wait and see. As the season drags on tho we'll have a better clue where there taking all this cause right now the last season just left me more confused than every where they were taking things. This season's going to have to use every second to wrap all of this up neatly IMO.

[LexCorp]

Yes it will - I think they can do it though.

[Pink Ranger]

9 hours, 43 minutes to go until showtime!!

[DBM]

9 hours, 43 minutes to go until showtime!!

Just finished the episode a few minutes ago and it is awesome. This season is going to rock.

People do know that you can watch the episode live at 12 noon eastern time on SciFi.com, right?

[TheCorpulent1]

I did not, but I'm still not going to now that I do. My friends have a whole BSG night planned for 10 p.m. tonight with snacks and junk. It's gonna be fun. :)

[ROOR]

I didn't know that either, but I like watching BSG when it's dark with all the lights out.

[DBM]

I did not, but I'm still not going to now that I do. My friends have a whole BSG night planned for 10 p.m. tonight with snacks and junk. It's gonna be fun. :)

I get together with a couple friends to watch it too. But honestly, I can't wait. Plus it makes my lunch hour awesome.

[union_jak]

I have a small request.

Half the regulars here are in the UK, and we're going to be on a four day delay before they air it here, is it possibly for episode discussion to be kept in spoilers over the weekends?

[Pink Ranger]

Just finished the episode a few minutes ago and it is awesome. This season is going to rock.

People do know that you can watch the episode live at 12 noon eastern time on SciFi.com, right?

Thanks for the tip. But I didn't spend a fortune on an LCD TV just to watch the greatest show in history on my I-mac. ;)

[TheCorpulent1]

If only the Sci Fi Channel aired in HD where I am. :(
I get together with a couple friends to watch it too. But honestly, I can't wait. Plus it makes my lunch hour awesome.
My friends just got into it over the long, long months between seasons 3 and 4, so I knew everything that was going to happen from the time we all started watching together. I figure it'll be novel to have the first-time experience with them from now on. :)

[DBM]

Thanks for the tip. But I didn't spend a fortune on an LCD TV just to watch the greatest show in history on my I-mac. ;)

Well, I technically watched it on my TV anyway. I've got a media center computer hooked up to my TV. The couch is more comfortable than my office chair. Though I admit, it's not as good since it's smaller on the website. But it scales up pretty well on my 42 inch HD LCD. But it'll definitely look better through my digital cable tonight rather than the website.

Spoilers for those who can't resist and to taunt those who want to know:

Starbuck returns and thinks she's only been gone a few hours, when she's really been gone over two months.

[Evelisse]

So,

Lee Adama for president? just saw the preview for the new season that suggested it.

[FadingCB]

I'm watching the 2 episodes leading into the new episode atm and they just showed a preview clip of the upcoming season, and

Tigh slowly raised a gun while standing in the control center with ppl moving around behind him like it was an attack. So Tigh pulls a gun on someone? Wonder if it's going to be at Adama for a second time, or if it's just a dream sequence of his?

Edit - Lol nm, the next commercial preview answered my question :).

Adama says, "Tigh what the hell's wrong with you?" while everyones running around and Tigh raises the gun at Adama. So ya guess he does raise a gun at him. Still could be a dream sequence tho as Tigh starts to doubt himself he has disturbing dreams of going Cylon or something. It's also possible a switch just triggers in him making him go Cylon like we've seen in the past.

[TheCorpulent1]

So much temptation... but I only have an hour and a half to go...

[BETArayBill]

damn i cant wait to see the new season i just worked my way through seasons 1-3 and razor over the last couple of months this is offically my new favorite show.

[phoenixflight]

Holy frak...that was beyond HOT!!! Best opening ever. That thing with Anders and the Cylon Raider was wicked!!!!!! Damn!!!

[FadingCB]

Hellova first 10 minutes, spoilers so don't read if you're not watching and don't want to be spoiled.

Tigh pulls a gun on Adama and shoots him in the eye, but turns out to be a dream. Everyone hears Kara and Lee's conversation and think it's a cylon trick. Just as the cylons have the fleet cornered and are pounding them with missles, one of the raiders scans Anders eye while in mid battle, Anders eye does this weird robotic eye flicker in the light, then the raider pulls out and every cylon jumps out of battle fast. So we can take it finding the new cylon model is a big deal to the cylon's, big enough to stop right at victory and pull out.

[Evelisse]

sucks for those 600 people, didnt know what happened,

Incredible opening for the show


Can the final 5 control robot and ship cylons!!!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!

[FadingCB]

Holy frak...that was beyond HOT!!! Best opening ever. That thing with Anders and the Cylon Raider was wicked!!!!!! Damn!!!

Agreed, but don't forget spoilers heh. We have some ppl in the UK reading this thread and they won't be able to see the show for a bit longer. Not trying to kill the hype, but just in case put it in spoilers if that's ok. This show knows how to keep the story and action moving at a great pace tho.

[FadingCB]

About Starbuck

Ok I can buy her surviving the explosion. What she went thru might have been close to a black hole of sorts. Maybe for her time slowed down, she and the ship were taken apart atom by atom and reassembled at the other side. However I'm wondering how she got back. Is there time travel going on? Or did she just fly right back in the other end of the wormhole and come back out? Also I can see the interesting side story of everytime they mention cylon's and the paranoia rising again we see Chief and Tigh cringe.

[phoenixflight]

Agreed, but don't forget spoilers heh. We have some ppl in the UK reading this thread and they won't be able to see the show for a bit longer. Not trying to kill the hype, but just in case put it in spoilers if that's ok. This show knows how to keep the story and action moving at a great pace tho.

Sorry, not my intention to reveal anything...

[BlackLantern]

I think the same physics that employ the FTL jumps, Starbuck seems to be tied into it. An FTL jump is a manipulation of time and space

[FadingCB]

Sorry, not my intention to reveal anything...

Sry, I didn't mean anything by it. Just that someone a few posts above asked us to use spoilers. I personally don't care and you didn't give anything big away. I guess I was just posting it as a premptive reminder that someone asked us to use spoilers. No biggie.

Still a good episode the entire length thru so far :).

[The Apocalypse]

HOLY FRAK!

That beginning when Tigh 'shot' Adama, my heart just stopped. It seems like there is a major time difference from Earth and Galactica. It's a pain in the ass though not knowing who to believe, Kara or Roslin. I'm leaning toward Kara because she did have the pics and I really doubt she is a Cylon. I don't understand why the Pres is allowed to get visions and people believe her, but when Kara is no one does but Lee.

[BlackLantern]

HOLY FRAK!

That beginning when Tigh 'shot' Adama, my heart just stopped. It seems like there is a major time difference from Earth and Galactica. It's a pain in the ass though not knowing who to believe, Kara or Roslin. I'm leaning toward Kara because she did have the pics and I really doubt she is a Cylon. I don't understand why the Pres is allowed to get visions and people believe her, but when Kara is no one does but Lee.

The president didn't disappear for 2 months.....

[The Apocalypse]

The president didn't disappear for 2 months.....

Well yes that's true, maybe I'm just bias when it comes towards this because I don't like Roslin that much.

[phoenixflight]

Based on Six's comment for the next episode...

The Final Five are in the Colonial Fleet. Who is the 12th member then?

I want to know each Cylon's number and what it means to them. The Final Five are not grouped together in the numbering order so how do they fit in??

[FadingCB]

I still stick by thinking Roslin is the last Cylon. From last season right before the ship shorted out and the final 4 heard the music she suddenly held her head. She's had shared visions with the Cylon's, and now -

I have a feeling she's the one leading the fleet down the wrong path unknowingly. While Starbuck who's being falsely accused of being a Cylon is trying to take them to the right path. Which would make it more appropriate that a Cylon being treated as a human is taking them down the wrong one and they have to decide who to trust.

I don't know, to me it just seems like everythings pointing to Roslin. She seems like she has something to hide, and I doubt they'll just let her die slowly and quietly of cancer at the last episode or something. She's too important of a character to go out without some shocker or dramatic event.

[The Apocalypse]

I still stick by thinking Roslin is the last Cylon. From last season right before the ship shorted out and the final 4 heard the music she suddenly held her head. She's had shared visions with the Cylon's, and now -

I have a feeling she's the one leading the fleet down the wrong path unknowingly. While Starbuck who's being falsely accused of being a Cylon is trying to take them to the right path. Which would make it more appropriate that a Cylon being treated as a human is taking them down the wrong one and they have to decide who to trust.

I don't know, to me it just seems like everythings pointing to Roslin. She seems like she has something to hide, and I doubt they'll just let her die slowly and quietly of cancer at the last episode or something. She's too important of a character to go out without some shocker or dramatic event.

Kara should have killed her at the end of the ep. That would really set the tone for the season. I mean we know she's going to die, it would have been very interesting for Kara to have shot her.

[Superfreak]

Overall, I thought the episode was good. But not great. It was extremely decent. I really think what it was lacking was another hour. It's been more than a year... deliver a two hour premier is not too much to ask.

But it was good. But it was not as good as other cliffhangers we've experienced. I thought the battle was a little bit of a joke, especially as it pretty much acted as the followup to the climax of last season. And then the cylons just fly away after seeing Anders.

I mean I get why they flew away, but it deprived me of some much needed BSG action, which hasn't really occured since Pegasus went Boom Boom (which was an entire full 20 episode season ago). I feel like they teased me again, just like the finale... we're gonna set up a big battle, but cut it short and piss superfreak off.

Otherwise, I give it an A-, it just lacked the action and desperation that the finale had promised(at least that's how I felt). But it did deliver on every other front.



One thing I love: where ever Baltar goes, no matter how bad his circumstances, he always seems to fall into a Harem full of women: Multiple twins on the Basestar, Hot and Cold Running interns on New Caprica, and now these psycho slut women


my only question is: how long are they going to drag out the 'We don't believe you Starbuck'? After the premier, and the endless previews, if there is more than one or two episodes of Starbuck screaming 'we're going the wrong way' I just might lose it.













on an alternate note: I have a timeline issue. Saul Tigh, did he fight in the first Cylon war? I always thought so. But according to Razor and Athena's explanation, it wasn't til the end of the the First war, that the cylons escaped with their research resulting in the first hybrid, the baseship hybrids, and subsequently the human model cylons. Implications:

Human form cylons were developed/evolved after the war.

so how could Tigh have fought in the first Cylon war... if according to Razor, he and his 11 buddies were not yet created?






last thing: I hope 10pm is not the normal hour for this show on fridays, it'a ludacris timeslot... please move her up to 9pm

[Evelisse]

Well, is it established that Cylons age like humans? Don't Tye and Adama go waayyy back? Guess its just one of those things they get to, just how special are these last 5 cylons.


Also I've decided to back the Roslin For Cylon theory. She could have been hearing the music the entire time as the rest, and just assuming it was her kooky tea.

:dkm:

[DBM]

Well, it's been said that Tigh and Adama have known each other for thirty years on the show and by the Executive Producers. The fact is we've been told that Tigh fought in the first war, but we've never seen it. And Adama didn't meet him until after the war when they were both working on that civilian ship. And I'm pretty sure it's been said that he didn't marry Ellen until later in life. So it seems to me that Tigh doesn't have any connections to anyone until after the first Cylon War.

[Superfreak]

Well, it's been said that Tigh and Adama have known each other for thirty years on the show and by the Executive Producers. The fact is we've been told that Tigh fought in the first war, but we've never seen it. And Adama didn't meet him until after the war when they were both working on that civilian ship. And I'm pretty sure it's been said that he didn't marry Ellen until later in life. So it seems to me that Tigh doesn't have any connections to anyone until after the first Cylon War.

indeed, interesting


anyhow, been thinking a little

k, a rumor that's been around for a while is that there will be a cylon civil war. I suppose it's plausible, that when the first cylon war happened, that there were cylons for the war, and opposed to the war. Peaceful, and warlike factions. I think that the final five are the human models that represent the peaceful cylons. They are a minority, hence why the first war may have happened and perhaps they are likewise exiles, who have chosen to help we puny humans.

Moreover, with the final five, caprica and sharon, and their collective vote as a model, give a majority vote to the final five(whatever their agenda may actually be).

This may be important, especially when establishing control over the 'lower' cylons, 'bots, Raiders, Heavy Raiders, Baseships etc. Especially when considering a cylon civil war




oh... yeah, the eye of jupiter, Kara saw earth, space, gas giant, back... eye of jupiter... maybe there is an actual literal meaning there. Maybe there's a bridge in space, that goes from Kara's painted storm, and the storm on the southern hemisphere of jupiter

[Sawyer]

Baltar was awesome in last nights episode. I think he is on the road to redemption. Cant wait to see how the season turns out for him.

also...
Would it be too much trouble for someone to make an avatar out of Anders flashing eye?

[Bastila]

I just skipped the spoilers

But for the UK people 15th April Sky One at 9pm so not far behind you US guys, hope the new season first episode was great.

[union_jak]

I just skipped the spoilers

But for the UK people 15th April Sky One at 9pm so not far behind you US guys, hope the new season first episode was great.
I thought it was coming back this Tuesday, but I saw it was a couple of documentaries and Razor :waa:

I can't see the point in me continuing to visit this thread knowing I'll be over a week behind in discussion. It's all very well skipping the spoilers, but to be honest right now that is going to be the only thing here!

Therefore I'm unsubscribing until this half of the season is over for both countries :)

[Bastila]

This week is two shows about BSG like seasons so far and something else, then Razor.
Then the following week it starts, only 2 weeks behind, I can deal with that, at least its not months like sometimes.

So yeah I will leave this thread untill I see the last episode of this half of the season, I don't want to be spoiled.

So you guys later on in the year only on this thread :p

[BlackLantern]

last thing: I hope 10pm is not the normal hour for this show on fridays, it'a ludacris timeslot... please move her up to 9pm

quit your whining....there is nothing wrong with its timeslot....

[Angry Sentinel]

Well, it's been said that Tigh and Adama have known each other for thirty years on the show and by the Executive Producers. The fact is we've been told that Tigh fought in the first war, but we've never seen it. And Adama didn't meet him until after the war when they were both working on that civilian ship. And I'm pretty sure it's been said that he didn't marry Ellen until later in life. So it seems to me that Tigh doesn't have any connections to anyone until after the first Cylon War. Yeah, Tigh doesn't have kids, nor any real link besides his history with Adama.

But there is still one other thing that is interesting about Tigh that I haven't seen addressed by anyone. If he was implanted into 'human' civilization 30 years ago, then that would mean cylons had 'humanistic' forms before the second war, and even possibley before the supposed 'first' hybrid (the old man from season three on the basestar out in the middle of nowhere). So this means the skin job cylons came before the hybrids?? I always assumed it would have been the other way around.

Either way some of my theories are starting to solidify.

EDIT - should have known Superfreak beat me to this already...

[Angry Sentinel]

anyhow, been thinking a little

k, a rumor that's been around for a while is that there will be a cylon civil war. I suppose it's plausible, that when the first cylon war happened, that there were cylons for the war, and opposed to the war. Peaceful, and warlike factions. I think that the final five are the human models that represent the peaceful cylons. They are a minority, hence why the first war may have happened and perhaps they are likewise exiles, who have chosen to help we puny humans.

Moreover, with the final five, caprica and sharon, and their collective vote as a model, give a majority vote to the final five(whatever their agenda may actually be).
Sorry for the double post, but I couldn't pass this up.

Each season I've been realizing the true nature and point of this show... 'reconciliation". The story parallels about race, sex, and other 'dividing' factors have been undoubtedly pointing to our own world and its issues. The civil war is just another good reflection of humanity. And, like you, I believe it will play a major role in the resolution to this show.

In our world a lot of people usually have to die before people will start changing their 'hearts'. The same goes for this show. In real life, it usually takes having an 'undesireable' person being someone you love (ie. child, family member) before the changing of the hearts occurs. Again the same goes for this show. All of this occured to me when Anders has his conversation with Starbuck.

Besides for the timeline, one of my theories fits into your scenario really well. Besides, maybe Sharon (razor story) had it wrong, maybe the divide came before the war, at the conception of human cylons.

There are 12 models. as you said the 5 supposedly rejected the war and attempts to destroy humanity. They were exiled or possibley chose to leave the 'collective'. The other models programmed themselves to not think of their brothers and sisters that left, or it could have been mandatory, either way the thought works. The five come to humanity and re-program themselves and come up wih a plan to help convince their brothers and sisters that they are wrong.

It would not surprise me if they turn out to be the reason why ANY humans made it out alive and have continued to live.

The whole point is, I see this show ending in the same manner matrix did, we either live together (as equals) or die apart.

[FadingCB]

Something I was just thinking about, all the final Cylon's revealed so far have 2 things in common, flawed yet among the most human, and they all have important positions.

Chief - Head of Raptor maintenance repair among other important tasks (I.E. the guy who could cripple Galactica's means of defence via sabatogue if he ever went that route).

Tigh - Right under Adama in command and the guy he trusts the opinion of the most.

Anders - Former professional athlete, leader of the resistance for awhile, currently a pilot.

And finally Roslin's chief political advisor.

As for being more human than most I mean that they have high ups and downs. Tigh is a drunk, but deeply loves his wife who he killed. The Chief beat the crap out of his future wife, but is one of the most respected and more honest members of Galactica.

I wonder if it's an actual pattern or just coincidence. If it's a pattern then the last would be someone in a high position that ppl trust, but has a decent character flaw.

[Angry Sentinel]

Yeah, I'm still holding out for something truly shocking, but the logical conclusion is really shaping up to be Roslin/Adama.

[ariellem]

... The current characters get to Earth and find it completely populated by Cylons. ... Basically, the current characters get to Earth and find out that they're ALL Cylons who were programmed to emulate humans. ...
Modern Day Earth, we're all Cylons.

What I said :->


I think Starbuck went back to Earth prior to the invention of the Starbucks coffe chain - she landed on Earth and met a business man from the 80s had a bit of a fling and then left Earth again.

The man she left longs for her still so opened up a chain of coffe places called Starbucks. A fitting tribute.

Hahaha


Anders (spoilers):
...Just as the cylons have the fleet cornered and are pounding them with missles, one of the raiders scans Anders eye while in mid battle, Anders eye does this weird robotic eye flicker in the light, then the raider pulls out and every cylon jumps out of battle fast. So we can take it finding the new cylon model is a big deal to the cylon's, big enough to stop right at victory and pull out.

Can the final 5 control robot and ship cylons!!!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!

Either the second of these OR the music played to activate the final four (or five). That turned on a homing beacon in each of them. The Cylon fleet that showed up actually followed the homing beacons and came to verify whether those models had been activated. One Raider got basically face-to-face with Anders, Anders' eye flashed red (we don't know yet whether the Raider made the red happen or whether Anders activated it himself - consciously or not - upon coming so close to the Raider), and that was the confirmation the Cylon fleet needed. That one Raider signaled to the others that all was well, and they withdrew.



I still stick by thinking Roslin is the last Cylon. From last season right before the ship shorted out and the final 4 heard the music she suddenly held her head. She's had shared visions with the Cylon's, and now -I have a feeling she's the one leading the fleet down the wrong path unknowingly. While Starbuck who's being falsely accused of being a Cylon is trying to take them to the right path. Which would make it more appropriate that a Cylon being treated as a human is taking them down the wrong one and they have to decide who to trust.

I don't know, to me it just seems like everythings pointing to Roslin. She seems like she has something to hide, and I doubt they'll just let her die slowly and quietly of cancer at the last episode or something. She's too important of a character to go out without some shocker or dramatic event.

Well, is it established that Cylons age like humans? Don't Tye and Adama go waayyy back? Guess its just one of those things they get to, just how special are these last 5 cylons.


Also I've decided to back the Roslin For Cylon theory. She could have been hearing the music the entire time as the rest, and just assuming it was her kooky tea.

:dkm:

LOL on the tea! The Roslin theory does make a lot of sense - it just seems so obvious that it might be her. She has shown that she is willing to kill to preserve her position (threw Cylons out the airlock, for one). She has been willing to cheat (in the election against Baltar). She plugs into the Cylon consciousness more than just once or twice.


oh... yeah, the eye of jupiter, Kara saw earth, space, gas giant, back... eye of jupiter... maybe there is an actual literal meaning there. Maybe there's a bridge in space, that goes from Kara's painted storm, and the storm on the southern hemisphere of jupiter

That would make sense - why else would the shape be called that? Perhaps in one of these eps Starbuck will make the connection and will have the Astro lab search for a giant gas planet with such an eye - thus finding our Solar System.


Yeah, Tigh doesn't have kids, nor any real link besides his history with Adama.

But there is still one other thing that is interesting about Tigh that I haven't seen addressed by anyone. If he was implanted into 'human' civilization 30 years ago, then that would mean cylons had 'humanistic' forms before the second war, and even possibley before the supposed 'first' hybrid (the old man from season three on the basestar out in the middle of nowhere). So this means the skin job cylons came before the hybrids?? I always assumed it would have been the other way around.

Either way some of my theories are starting to solidify.

EDIT - should have known Superfreak beat me to this already...

The whole Tigh/Cylon chronology confuses me, but I look forward to seeing how it plays out.

[phoenixflight]

Something I was just thinking about, all the final Cylon's revealed so far have 2 things in common, flawed yet among the most human, and they all have important positions.

Chief - Head of Raptor maintenance repair among other important tasks (I.E. the guy who could cripple Galactica's means of defence via sabatogue if he ever went that route).

Tigh - Right under Adama in command and the guy he trusts the opinion of the most.

Anders - Former professional athlete, leader of the resistance for awhile, currently a pilot.

And finally Roslin's chief political advisor.

As for being more human than most I mean that they have high ups and downs. Tigh is a drunk, but deeply loves his wife who he killed. The Chief beat the crap out of his future wife, but is one of the most respected and more honest members of Galactica.

I wonder if it's an actual pattern or just coincidence. If it's a pattern then the last would be someone in a high position that ppl trust, but has a decent character flaw.

If I went with your theory then Tom Zarek would fit as the 12 th Cylon. Not only is he now in a position of power as the Vice President, but his 'Freedom Fighter/Political Idealist' position while in prison carried a considerable amount of weight. As for his flaws...well that's obvious.

[phoenixflight]

I also question Ellen Tigh's whole existence and also feel that she could be the 12th Cylon. Why did she and Saul never have kids...Cylons cannot conceive. Where was she when the attack happened and why did she not have any memory of her whereabouts shortly before Adama found her? Ellen is a complete mystery.

[Sawyer]

I also question Ellen Tigh's whole existence and also feel that she could be the 12th Cylon. Why did she and Saul never have kids...Cylons cannot conceive. Where was she when the attack happened and why did she not have any memory of her whereabouts shortly before Adama found her? Ellen is a complete mystery.

I dont think Ellen would be the 12th cylon, just for the simple fact that it would be kind of a s***ty way out. It'd be kinda like "Oh, the final five dont ressurect, so our final cylon will be a character thats already dead, so we can just get that out of the way."

I'm sure the reveal of the final cylon will be nothing short of spectacular, not Ellen Tigh.

[phoenixflight]

I dont think Ellen would be the 12th cylon, just for the simple fact that it would be kind of a s***ty way out. It'd be kinda like "Oh, the final five dont ressurect, so our final cylon will be a character thats already dead, so we can just get that out of the way."

I'm sure the reveal of the final cylon will be nothing short of spectacular, not Ellen Tigh.

That's assuming there is only 1 copy of each of the Final Five. It would still be shocking to have another copy of Ellen show up once they reach Earth. Baltar's Cylon detector (in the minds of Adama and the others) was accurate so they would be truly blown away to see another Ellen strolling the streets of Earth. The Cylons have arrived!!!

I am re-watching Season 1 right now and Ellen is all sorts of bad!! If each Cylon was designed to 'mimic' certain types of human behavior, she would fit the mold for many of those lovely 7 deadly sins!!

[Superfreak]

quit your whining....there is nothing wrong with its timeslot....

shut your cake hole... it really is a little late. And this weeks episode was exciting... but when the more thought driven epis come along, I can garentee, I'll close my eyes during the first commercial, and wake up at the credits. I will concede however, that friday at 10 is WAYYYY better than sunday at 10, but it's still too late IMO

[Superfreak]

Sorry for the double post, but I couldn't pass this up.

Each season I've been realizing the true nature and point of this show... 'reconciliation". The story parallels about race, sex, and other 'dividing' factors have been undoubtedly pointing to our own world and its issues. The civil war is just another good reflection of humanity. And, like you, I believe it will play a major role in the resolution to this show.

In our world a lot of people usually have to die before people will start changing their 'hearts'. The same goes for this show. In real life, it usually takes having an 'undesireable' person being someone you love (ie. child, family member) before the changing of the hearts occurs. Again the same goes for this show. All of this occured to me when Anders has his conversation with Starbuck.

Besides for the timeline, one of my theories fits into your scenario really well. Besides, maybe Sharon (razor story) had it wrong, maybe the divide came before the war, at the conception of human cylons.

There are 12 models. as you said the 5 supposedly rejected the war and the others attempt to destroy humanity. They were exiled or possibley chose to leave the 'collective'. The other models programmed themselves to not think of their brothers and sisters that left, or it could have been mandatory, either way the thought works. The five come to humanity and re-program themselves and come up wih a plan to help convince their brothers and sisters that they are wrong.

It would not surprise me if they turn out to be the reason why ANY humans made it out alive and have continued to live.

The whole point is, I see this show ending in the same manner matrix did, we either live together (as equals) or die apart.


exactly, i think we're on the the same train of thought. I think were on the right prediction track. Question is, who does the programing for the O7cylons? I mean who made the choice to have the F5 made an 'illegal' thought? Could this be #12? Does #12 have World Controller rank?

As for the timeline I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that Athena was right(otherwise, everything we learned in that movie can be considered pointless misdirection): Cylon hybrids were created and escaped on the last day of the First Cylon War. Human Cylons were a subsequent result of that research: Meaning that our 12 models were 'born' somewhere in between the End of the First War, and the premier of BSG.

[Superfreak]

the final five dont ressurect, so our final cylon will be a character thats already dead, so we can just get that out of the way."



I actually kind of like that. Like the cylons have already killed the only copy of model #12 in existance by accident, without even realizing it.

[Superfreak]

Something I was just thinking about, all the final Cylon's revealed so far have 2 things in common, flawed yet among the most human, and they all have important positions.

Chief - Head of Raptor maintenance repair among other important tasks (I.E. the guy who could cripple Galactica's means of defence via sabatogue if he ever went that route).

Tigh - Right under Adama in command and the guy he trusts the opinion of the most.

Anders - Former professional athlete, leader of the resistance for awhile, currently a pilot.

And finally Roslin's chief political advisor.

As for being more human than most I mean that they have high ups and downs. Tigh is a drunk, but deeply loves his wife who he killed. The Chief beat the crap out of his future wife, but is one of the most respected and more honest members of Galactica.

I wonder if it's an actual pattern or just coincidence. If it's a pattern then the last would be someone in a high position that ppl trust, but has a decent character flaw.


welcome to today man... we've been talking about this for more than a year now

[BlackLantern]

maybe the 5 were the first human models developed......when the other models were conceived, maybe they felt threatened by the original five and had them exiled or something.....

[BlackLantern]

Agreed, but don't forget spoilers heh. We have some ppl in the UK reading this thread and they won't be able to see the show for a bit longer. Not trying to kill the hype, but just in case put it in spoilers if that's ok. This show knows how to keep the story and action moving at a great pace tho.

then the UK fans can just stay out of this thread....I'm not doing spoiler tags anymore...

[Speedball]

Anyone else think that the Final Five will have a role in the Caprica series?
Tigh would be old enough...and the creation of the humanoid Cylons is supposed to take place in that series.

[Superfreak]

then the UK fans can just stay out of this thread....I'm not doing spoiler tags anymore...

seriously, if you don't want to be spoiled, Superherohype is the LAST PLACE YOU GUYS SHOULD BE SURFING.

[Angry Sentinel]

exactly, i think we're on the the same train of thought. I think were on the right prediction track. Question is, who does the programing for the O7cylons? I mean who made the choice to have the F5 made an 'illegal' thought? Could this be #12? Does #12 have World Controller rank? This is how they get us too.. just the fact that we don't know any of those answers is keeping us in the dark. In fact, we know very little about the cylons and their history aside from fighting with the humans. Was there a civil war? Was there more than one? Did the hybrid spawn the humanoid cylons? Why did the original hybrid live away from the 'collective' way out in the middle of nowhere with only obsolete centurions and raiders? All these questions and so many more would make it easy for us to figure out what is going on, so they don't give them to us. Instead we get distracted by the questions that we have for the human and their situations.


As for the timeline I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say that Athena was right(otherwise, everything we learned in that movie can be considered pointless misdirection): Cylon hybrids were created and escaped on the last day of the First Cylon War. Human Cylons were a subsequent result of that research: Meaning that our 12 models were 'born' somewhere in between the End of the First War, and the premier of BSG.
Well that would mean that some of Tigh's memories are false (programmed), there is no way he could've been in the 'service' for 40 years.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's entirely possible. The only memories that absolutely have to be true for Tigh, since his memories stretch back the furthest, are the ones involving Bill Adama. Everything else could be fake memories, doctored paperwork, etc. We don't really know anything about any of the almost-final four's parents or relatives or anything that would conflict with their being Cylons.

[Evelisse]

That's entirely possible. The only memories that absolutely have to be true for Tigh, since his memories stretch back the furthest, are the ones involving Bill Adama. Everything else could be fake memories, doctored paperwork, etc. We don't really know anything about any of the almost-final four's parents or relatives or anything that would conflict with their being Cylons.

What about Adama's memory of Tigh as younger men, any other characters that have known someone else on the ship for that long? That have aged right along with them?

[Superfreak]

What about Adama's memory of Tigh as younger men, any other characters that have known someone else on the ship for that long? That have aged right along with them?

but as we've said, Adama and Tigh met well after the war had ended.

[BlackLantern]

both adama and tigh met on that civilian freighter, both had been out of the Fleet for a while at that point.

[Donnie Darko]

The thing I'm most looking forward to, other than seeing what Earth is like once they get there, is the conclusion of the redemption of Gaius Baltar. I have a feeling he could sacrifice himself to save humanity.

[Evelisse]

So Adama and Tight didn't meet when they were still much younger?

[Sawyer]

I definately want to see what happens with Baltar. He's not the villain everyone makes him out to be.

[BlackLantern]

So Adama and Tight didn't meet when they were still much younger?

Nope...on Baltar, there have been so many situations where he should have been killed and yet he manages to survive, but I think he realizes his time is coming and it will be interesting to see how he reacts when that happens..

[Sawyer]

Nope...on Baltar, there have been so many situations where he should have been killed and yet he manages to survive, but I think he realizes his time is coming and it will be interesting to see how he reacts when that happens..

Well, in the premiere, he has basically already accepted death, and the fact that he deserves it for all the people that he has failed.

Unless, of course, something changes between now and the end of the season.

[FadingCB]

Baltar and Roslin are polar opposites. Baltar started out selfish, and pretty much the person who caused the downfall of man kind. Roslin started out the person who helped mankind pull itself together. Now Baltar has went thru his trials and become a better person for it, he's stopped being so selfish and is finally caring about others while bringing ppl together (even if it's a small group). Roslin on the other hand is starting to come off as jealous of anyone approaching her power (Baltar, Zarek), and is now (possibly) leading mankind down the wrong path to their death. Batlar IMO symbolizes someone who started off at rock bottom and climbed up while Roslin started at the top and is slowly slipping down to the bottom. I always liked that dynamic.

Part of me tho still can't help but see Baltar as slightly a villain still tho. I mean up until the last episode he was still selfish, and worrying about profit and how he'd live when he should have been on his knees being thankful he wasn't jetisoned into space.

[The Apocalypse]

Well just because he was going to save a little boy's life over his doesn't mean he isn't the same. A lot of bad people would rather die then watch a little kid die. I think Baltar is still going to be super selfish but you never know, he might unite the 12 cylon models. its a long shot though).

[BlackLantern]

I think, with both Baltar and Starbuck, that they are not Cylons...but that their fate is tied to what happens with the Cylons as a species or race. Maybe the 12th Cylon was divided and its both Baltar and Starbuck....I don't know, I'm just spitballing here...

[ariellem]

Maybe the 12th Cylon was divided and its both Baltar and Starbuck....I don't know, I'm just spitballing here...

That would be pretty funny. She hates him, doesn't she?

Picture merging them visually - that's funnier.

Balbuck... Startar... ew, I hope not. Those sound like really bad Transformer names.

[BlackLantern]

They are polar opposites....Baltar is very cold and calculating, mostly devoid of emotion except when pushed to it. Starbuck is very emotional, no planning, and acting from the gut.

[EdRyder]

We can speculate all day on who the final Cylon is.. Doesnt matter because there isnt hard evidence pointing at anyone in particular.Ive entertained almost every notion Baltar , Starbuck, Roslin , and Adama seem to be the prime pics.Then theres people like Geata or Dee..What if it was Caine?
We can go on and on... Its almost maddening.

[Darthphere]

That would be pretty funny. She hates him, doesn't she?

Picture merging them visually - that's funnier.

Balbuck... Startar... ew, I hope not. Those sound like really bad Transformer names.

They already merged once.

HIYO!:o:o:o:o:wow:

[FadingCB]

Lol, if there ever was a reason for thinking Roslin was going bad.

If she had better aim Starbuck would be gone. This works for and against my Roslin is a Cylon theory tho. For because she would kill the person trying to lead them to Earth with little hesitation, and what's more an unarmed person who just handed her the gun, truely a sign of someone turning bad. Against because I didn't know Cylons had so bad of aim they couldn't hit someone standing a few feet in front of them and miss the shot by a few feet.

[BlackLantern]

ahhh internal Cylon struggle....I like it

[PhoenixRise]

Wow, Adama just lost it.

[BlackLantern]

i don't even want to know what that green stuff is supposed to be

[FadingCB]

Baltar 1 - Handle her with care.

Baltar 2 - Oh I certainly wish I could.

Lol. I think instead of wondering who's the last Cylon we should be wondering who Baltar's going to bang next.

[FadingCB]

Now this could be interesting :). I expected the rumored Cylon civil war to be more of one over ideas and of words, I didn't expect it to be one with guns, atleast not so soon. However with the models split down the middle, I'd imagine the side with the raiders and centurions to win heh.

[Darthphere]

Gotta factor in the 3's as well at some point, they'll be back.

Also, Callie out an airlock! YAY!

[BlackLantern]

the cylons seem to rule by committee and that would only work for so long untill someone said screw that...isn't that the Six that originally was held prisoner on Pegasus and nuked herself?? and yes Callie goes away....I am truly thrilled

[Superfreak]

that was sweet, and so in line about what I was saying about majority vote among cylons, as well as the deadlock, with even numbered cylons, given that De'anna and her model have been boxed.

the new 6 is very cool.

Hope that Starbuck has fun in the sewage ship

[BlackLantern]

well apparently Lucy is in a few episodes this season so we'll see how her models figure into all this

[FadingCB]

the cylons seem to rule by committee and that would only work for so long untill someone said screw that...isn't that the Six that originally was held prisoner on Pegasus and nuked herself?? and yes Callie goes away....I am truly thrilled

It's funny, but I'm thrilled she's going away too. I feel for her and chief's kid and all, but she's a seriously weak character. IMO she's the weakest of the main cast, if you really can consider her that. When she does show up it's typically the low point of the episode. On top of that, I just dislike her character. Chief beats the **** out of her so she marries him!?!? She shot Sharon who couldn't really help what she did do to programming. Above that....she's just annoying. I'd love for her to get tossed out of the airlock, she's barely been shown recently and this would just be knocking an obsticle out of the way so this season can kick ass without distractions.

[Pink Ranger]

I wonder if Anders is part of Starbucks new crew. It would be kind of weird plothole if he wasn't.

[BlackLantern]

It's funny, but I'm thrilled she's going away too. I feel for her and chief's kid and all, but she's a seriously weak character. IMO she's the weakest of the main cast, if you really can consider her that. When she does show up it's typically the low point of the episode. On top of that, I just dislike her character. Chief beats the **** out of her so she marries him!?!? She shot Sharon who couldn't really help what she did do to programming. Above that....she's just annoying. I'd love for her to get tossed out of the airlock, she's barely been shown recently and this would just be knocking an obsticle out of the way so this season can kick ass without distractions.

Callie manages to suck the enjoyment out of any episode she's in....

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, she's pretty obviously gonna die in the next episode, so you won't have to deal with her 1 or 2 appearances per season anymore. :)

[Darthphere]

I bet they kill her behind Tyrol's back, causing rage and confusion abound!

[TheCorpulent1]

Poor Callie. I actually like her. I've liked her since she bit off that dickbag's ear in prison.

[BlackLantern]

maybe Baltar will have sex with her before she dies...

[BlackLantern]

Poor Callie. I actually like her. I've liked her since she bit off that dickbag's ear in prison.

you are in the small minority of BSG fans that actually like her....I'm sorry...you like Dee and Callie....are you feeling ok?

[Darthphere]

Poor Callie. I actually like her. I've liked her since she bit off that dickbag's ear in prison.

Callie is getting what she deserves for being a nosy *****.

maybe Baltar will have sex with her before she dies...

Doubtful, he'll pray for her.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe he does that during sex, like Tori cries during sex.

[BlackLantern]

I'll give Tori something to cry about.....HI YO!!!!

[Darthphere]

She accomplished nothing!

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, I kept wondering when she'd ask him about Cylons. But I guess Tori secretly just wanted li'l Baltar.

[BlackLantern]

Tigh even said Tori wasn't going to have to bump uglies with him....maybe she felt that was the best way in....at the outset she seemed disgusted by the idea of it. We just need to realize that Baltar is a PIMP and he lays his game down flat

[Darthphere]

I'd hit it!

[BlackLantern]

who wouldn't ?? Tori is yummy cakes

[Darthphere]

I'm curious to see the Cylons now. I mean, that's some crazy **** going on there. The 6 is so hot.

[TheCorpulent1]

I keep thinking she's D'Anna because of her hair.

[Darthphere]

I keep thinking she's D'Anna because of her hair.

Yeah when I saw the beginning when they show you all the **** that is going down I was look "Woah! D'Anna just ****ed them all up!"

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it confused me because I thought they couldn't afford Lucy Lawless anymore.

[BlackLantern]

I think Lawless is in 2 or 3 eps this season im not sure

[TheCorpulent1]

Really? Cool. I wasn't expecting to see her again.

[BlackLantern]

she was at the Women of BSG panel with Helfer, Sackhoff, and McDonnell at SDCC last year...she made it sound like she was going to be part of the 4th season....I'm not sure though

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Natalie will unbox her model to get all revelatory about the final five.

[BlackLantern]

Maybe Natalie will unbox her model to get all revelatory about the final five.

I'd like to unbox her....

[Darthphere]

I hope Lee gets fat again.

[TheCorpulent1]

Best part of BSG so far. :up:

[Sawyer]

Oh Noes...
Callie finds out Chief is a cylon.

Anyway, it was nice to find out what model numbers Leoben and Cavil have. It's not even a big deal, but if they finish the series without revealing the numbers, I'll be a little peeved.

[BlackLantern]

I hope Lee gets fat again.

I hated that...I understand it was to make a point in the story...but I still did not like it.

[The Apocalypse]

I hope Lee gets fat again.

Won't happen unless he gets back with Dee :oldrazz:

[Darthphere]

I hope at some point the Dorals and Black dude (lawl! I don't know what his name was) get some more exposure. They're really the only cylon models not to get any focus.

[phoenixflight]

I hope at some point the Dorals and Black dude (lawl! I don't know what his name was) get some more exposure. They're really the only cylon models not to get any focus.

The Simons (black dudes) even more so than the Dorals. At least we know that the Dorals are extremely cunning and very heartless. With the Simons, did they even infiltrate the Fleet. We only met them on Caprica and then again on New Caprica, but never any sign of them on the Fleet. I wonder why. The Simons also seem more non-military than the others.

By the way, they need to reveal their numbers (i'm referring to Leobens, Cavils and Simons).

[Sawyer]

The Simons (black dudes) even more so than the Dorals. At least we know that the Dorals are extremely cunning and very heartless. With the Simons, did they even infiltrate the Fleet. We only met them on Caprica and then again on New Caprica, but never any sign of them on the Fleet. I wonder why. The Simons also seem more non-military than the others.

By the way, they need to reveal their numbers (i'm referring to Leobens, Cavils and Simons).

They did on last nights episode.
Cavils are number 1.
Leobens are number 2.
Simons are number 4.

[TheCorpulent1]

So, what are all the numbers?

Cavils = 1
Leobens = 2
Sharons = 3
Simons = 4
?? = 5
Caprica/Natalie/Gina = 6
D'Anna = 7?

[BlackLantern]

I thought the D'Annas' were 5's

[Sawyer]

1. Cavil
2. Leoben
3. D'Anna
4. Simon
5. Doral
6. Six
8. Sharon

So, 7, 9, 10, 11 and 12 are the final five.