The Battlestar Galactica and Caprica Discussion Thread

[phoenixflight]

They did on last nights episode.
Cavils are number 1.
Leobens are number 2.
Simons are number 4.

you are fraking kidding me...thanks for the heads up. I missed an episode...AAARRRGGGGGHHHHH.

Dorals are 5's and D'Anna's are 3's.

[BlackLantern]

Didn't Cavil say something about Sharon's breasts....but he referreed to her by her number, but I dont think it was 8

[phoenixflight]

12 Cylon models, 12 Colonies. Was each model meant to represent each of the Colonies??

[BlackLantern]

Maybe....but the Cylons started developing human models on their own? or did they? maybe some humans colluded with the Cylons during the Armistice....

[Sawyer]

12 Cylon models, 12 Colonies. Was each model meant to represent each of the Colonies??

Or the Twelve Gods...

[phoenixflight]

Or the Twelve Gods...

Interesting point...only time will tell.

[TheCorpulent1]

1. Cavil
2. Leoben
3. D'Anna
4. Simon
5. Doral
6. Six
8. Sharon

So, 7, 9, 10, 11 and 12 are the final five.
Wikipedia agrees. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_%282003%29#Humanoid_Cylons) Thanks.

[Sawyer]

BTW, did anyone else love that Gaius-Gaius conversation in the mess hall? Possibly one of the funniest scenes in the history of BSG.

"Let's talk about Tory."
"Well, she is a sexy lady....hot."
"You slay me, you really do, Gaius."

Baltar always gets the greatest scenes.

[BlackLantern]

BTW, did anyone else love that Gaius-Gaius conversation in the mess hall? Possibly one of the funniest scenes in the history of BSG.

"Let's talk about Tory."
"Well, she is a sexy lady....hot."
"You slay me, you really do, Gaius."

Baltar always gets the greatest scenes.

That speaks to Callis' chops as an actor....is there anyone else in that cast that could have pulled that scene off so well..?

[TheCorpulent1]

Actors? Yes. Characters? No.

[phoenixflight]

Wikipedia agrees. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_%282003%29#Humanoid_Cylons) Thanks.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Humanoid_Cylon

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that says the same thing as the Wikipedia link.

[BlackLantern]

I think Lee's moving to the Quorum of 12 is going to precipitate something happening to the President sometime during the season...

[phoenixflight]

Yeah, that says the same thing as the Wikipedia link.

In terms of the numbering...yes, but this site appears to go into a bit more detail on the show and characters.

So maybe Tyrol is really Number Twelve (a fact he stated in a podcast or something. He said he was able to 'pick' his own number).

[BlackLantern]

In terms of the numbering...yes, but this site appears to go into a bit more detail on the show and characters.

So maybe Tyrol is really Number Twelve (a fact he stated in a podcast or something. He said he was able to 'pick' his own number).

I think they just threw all the numbers in a hat and let the actors pick....I like the theory that Ellen Tigh may be the fifth...

[phoenixflight]

I think they just threw all the numbers in a hat and let the actors pick....I like the theory that Ellen Tigh may be the fifth...

Is that based on my theory of making it to Earth and seeing Ellen walking around on the streets?!?

...Is there only 1 copy of each of the Final Five?? It would still be shocking to have another copy of Ellen show up once they reach Earth. Baltar's Cylon detector (in the minds of Adama and the others) was accurate so they would be truly blown away to see another Ellen strolling the streets of Earth. The Cylons have arrived!!!

I am re-watching Season 1 right now and Ellen is all sorts of bad!! If each Cylon was designed to 'mimic' certain types of human behavior, she would fit the mold for many of those lovely 7 deadly sins!!

[TheCorpulent1]

Starbuck saying she felt like she'd been to Earth before made me wonder if they made it to Earth already, but the modern-day government decided to perform experiments on them when they arrived, and the whole show has just been their collective fever dream while they're anesthetized. That'd be freaky.

[BlackLantern]

Is that based on my theory of making it to Earth and seeing Ellen walking around on the streets?!?

Maybe...someone in here threw Ellen out there as the fifth...I'd be tempted to agree...if its someone we have never seen before I'd be a little ticked off...

[BlackLantern]

Starbuck saying she felt like she'd been to Earth before made me wonder if they made it to Earth already, but the modern-day government decided to perform experiments on them when they arrived, and the whole show has just been their collective fever dream while they're anesthetized. That'd be freaky.

Too St. Elsewhere/Newhart for me....

[TheCorpulent1]

I've never seen those. But it would definitely be a sucky ending. It was just something I thought of watching yesterday's episode.

[BlackLantern]

St. Elsewhere was a medical drama during the 80's (lasted for a few seasons)...at the very end of the finale the camera pulls all the way back from the hospital and there is a little kid playing with a snowglobe....his "father" walks in and its one of the main characters from the show talking to his father (another of the shows characters) about how his son just sits for hours on end staring into the snowglobe like he is in his own little world...

[TheCorpulent1]

Ha, weird.

[phoenixflight]

Can someone post the new "theme" for season 4?

[BlackLantern]

Can someone post the new "theme" for season 4?

Can you go find it yourself?:oldrazz:

[phoenixflight]

Can you go find it yourself?:oldrazz:

Wow, thanks for the help...

[Sawyer]

You mean this...

fH2jJlicROg

[phoenixflight]

Did anyone else read this...

In an Entertainment Weekly interview, Ron Moore reveals who is not the fifth Cylon. According to the article, neither William Adama, Lee Adama, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace, Karl Agathon, nor Gaius Baltar is the fifth Cylon.

[BlackLantern]

I never suspected Helo....I rather like him as the XO....with Lee and Kara both gone...who is the CAG now? is it Racetrack?

[Sawyer]

I never suspected Helo....I rather like him as the XO....with Lee and Kara both gone...who is the CAG now? is it Racetrack?

Perhaps Athena?

[BlackLantern]

Perhaps Athena?

She is still a relatively new pilot....I think Racetrack is one of the more senior pilots among the crew....or maybe Helo is pulling double duty.

[phoenixflight]

You mean this...

fH2jJlicROg

Yes, that's it... thank you.

[The Apocalypse]

Well then I'd like it to either be Tom Zarak or Romo Lamkin. I think he's in this season because I was watching a promo on scifi.com and I heard him talking.

[phoenixflight]

I am once again posting this image. Going beyond the talk of "who is that lady standing above Roslin?" discussion...what (if any) does this photo mean??
"The Last Supper" promotional photo:
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/6436/lastsupperje2.jpg

Are there really clues...
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper

[BlackLantern]

^^^ I have that photo on my desktop at work....

[phoenixflight]

^^^ I have that photo on my desktop at work....
It's a great photo, but does it hold any significant meaning for the show's four season except simply as a promotion?? I feel that everything (when it comes to this show) is done for a reason??

[TheCorpulent1]

Ron Moore says yes, Aaron Douglas and Katee Sackhoff say no. Personally, I'd side with the guy who basically came up with the master plan for the show over the actors who play roles within that master plan.

[Movies205]

Z0mg Cylon mutiny.... Intense! I find it funny that whenever Cylons can't agree, they always end up killing one another.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's almost like they take after their parents. ;)

[BlackLantern]

It's a great photo, but does it hold any significant meaning for the show's four season except simply as a promotion?? I feel that everything (when it comes to this show) is done for a reason??

I'm not sure....I just like the photo...its probably the best cast photo out of the entire shows' run

[Neto Magnus]

Just watched last nights ep.

What's the point of Six killing the other Cylons? Aren't they just gonna be downloaded to a new body? Or did she make sure to kill their other bodies first?

Also, can someone refresh my memory. Whats with all the Eights running around? I forgot which one is which and doing what.

[phoenixflight]

Just finished watching Friday's episode. Really cool episode with a couple of shockers for me.

There really is going to be a Cylon Civil War. Six killing those few Fours, Fives and the One was done to buy her time to complete whatever her plan is. Tori sleeping with Baltar, just to find out what he knows about the Final Cylon. Makes me wonder who will bring back the Threes (D'Anna)...maybe the Final Four will to discover the identity of the Final Cylon!? And Starbuck off to find Earth...can't wait til next episode. By the way, I also noticed that Simon was the only Clyon performing any of the surgery on the Raiders. He must have been built for medicine.

I think Helo is the new CAG. Lee's "Good Luck" comment to him pretty much cements that.

[Fading]

Did anyone else read this...

In an Entertainment Weekly interview, Ron Moore reveals who is not the fifth Cylon. According to the article, neither William Adama, Lee Adama, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace, Karl Agathon, nor Gaius Baltar is the fifth Cylon.

There goes my Roslin theory. I guess I'll go with the Zarek pool then, he hasn't been shown forever and was semi-important earlier on, I doubt he just goes away. There's always Dee, but she and Lee seemed to have split, any emotional shock pretty much was lost from her turning.

Also if the above picture is any indication to what's going to happen in the season, look at what Chief's holding, think about what the previews to next weeks show were hinting at, maybe Chief goes crazy. Also noticing that Roslin is setting next to the new more loving 6. Maybe Roslin forms a semi truce with that side of the Cylon's. I guess there's no way for the humans to beat the massive Cylon fleet, they'd kinda have to.

[phoenixflight]

I do think that the Final Cylon is a woman...what about Diana Seelix? She was part of the Resistence on New Caprica and the Circle back on Galactica.

[wobbly]

Let's see...none of the main characters (as featured in the last supper pic) are the final Cylon?...and out of the 11 known toasters 7 are male.

Stands to reason the last one will be female to even up that ratio up a bit. Even if it's not a lady, given who we are left with (all supporting cast) it's hard to see just who could have any real shock value.

Anyhoo, going by her name alone Anastasia Dualla seems as likely as anyone else (the 'dual' bit is obvious and Anastasia means 'ressurrection' too). If it's a male, then I'd go with Tom, though really, it could be just about anyone in the supporting cast if they were not fibbing about the pic.

Curious to see where they are going with Starbuck and how they are gonna explain her explosion survival and spanking new ship...Alien intervention perhaps? (That happened in the original show, btw)

[Superfreak]

Perhaps Athena?

I think the CAG is the guy from Pegasus. Don't even know how Cat became CAG, as she was one of the original Nuggets. Given that there was a whole ship full of fully trained elite pilots on Pegasus, it would seem pretty unlikely that Cat would ever have been made CAG.

[Superfreak]

Let's see...none of the main characters (as featured in the last supper pic) are the final Cylon?...and out of the 11 known toasters 7 are male.

Stands to reason the last one will be female to even up that ratio up a bit. Even if it's not a lady, given who we are left with (all supporting cast) it's hard to see just who could have any real shock value.

Anyhoo, going by her name alone Anastasia Dualla seems as likely as anyone else (the 'dual' bit is obvious and Anastasia means 'ressurrection' too). If it's a male, then I'd go with Tom, though really, it could be just about anyone in the supporting cast if they were not fibbing about the pic.

Curious to see where they are going with Starbuck and how they are gonna explain her explosion survival and spanking new ship...Alien intervention perhaps? (That happened in the original show, btw)


Still think it's Kendra

[TheCorpulent1]

Who's Kendra?

[wobbly]

Who's Kendra?

She was in Razor...
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kendra

Although she is apparently dead, she does fit the hybrid's description of the final Cylon:
"And the fifth, though still in the shadow yet clawing for the light, hungry for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering"

Not sure if they will opt for an apparently dead character as the final toaster though. Would seem a bit of a cop out, especially as I don't think Kendra appeared at all in the main series either.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, right, that Kendra. I liked her.

[BlackLantern]

Admiral Cain??

[TheCorpulent1]

That description fits Cain, too.

[wobbly]

That description fits Cain, too.

And Ellen Tigh too.

So we have 3 dead ladies in the running?

Can't think of any live candidates who really fit the bill, atm.

[EdRyder]

I keep thinking of what Deanna said when she saw the final cylon -"Im sorry, I didnt know."

Seeing as how she never had a single interaction with Duella, why would she feel like she needed to apologize? It would be more like "Who the hell are you?"

It has to be someone that was on New Caprica during the occupation.

[The Apocalypse]

I keep thinking of what Deanna said when she saw the final cylon -"Im sorry, I didnt know."

Seeing as how she never had a single interaction with Duella, why would she feel like she needed to apologize? It would be more like "Who the hell are you?"

It has to be someone that was on New Caprica during the occupation.

I kept thinking she was talking to Anders because she tried to kill him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Could be because of Tigh's treatment on New Caprica, too. They cut out his ****ing eye, after all.

[wobbly]

I keep thinking of what Deanna said when she saw the final cylon -"Im sorry, I didnt know."

Seeing as how she never had a single interaction with Duella, why would she feel like she needed to apologize? It would be more like "Who the hell are you?"

It has to be someone that was on New Caprica during the occupation.

Assuming the one Deanna spoke to is the final Cylon then I'd agree, however, she could have been talking to any of the known 4.

And Duella is no more than a wild guess. To be honest I have no idea.

[Superfreak]

maybe it's bulldog, havn't seen him in a while, but there was a D'Anna torturing him when he was held captive

[Sawyer]

When D'Anna said "I'm sorry, I had no idea." I doubt she would be talking to Tyrol, Anders, or Tory. Possibly Tigh. But I really got the feeling she was talking to Roslin, for some reason.

[phoenixflight]

Just saw a commercial for The Last Supper pic. SciFi is really pushing that there are hidden clues in the pic!! Does the Chalice belong to the Final Cylon?? What the FRAK is up with Kara??

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6287/lsjc0.jpg

Head over to SciFi.com and find out more about the photo...
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper

[Angry Sentinel]

that was sweet, and so in line about what I was saying about majority vote among cylons, as well as the deadlock, with even numbered cylons, given that De'anna and her model have been boxed.

the new 6 is very cool.

Hope that Starbuck has fun in the sewage ship Agreed

Also, did you notice that Cavil referred to the original programmers of the human models in the plural. If the Cylons evolved, why does he refer to them as if they were something or someone outside of the cylon 'collective?

I'm still trying to make out what that cylon hybrid was saying about starbuck... how will she lead humanity to its end if she isn't around? That 'end' he was referring to was not the 'dark' prediction we all think.

the cylons seem to rule by committee and that would only work for so long untill someone said screw that...isn't that the Six that originally was held prisoner on Pegasus and nuked herself?? and yes Callie goes away....I am truly thrilled I don't think so, I haven't watched that episode in a while, but they made it clear that she was too far away from the resurrection ship. That cylon killed herself. This one is called Natalie.

Edit...Let's see...none of the main characters (as featured in the last supper pic) are the final Cylon?...and out of the 11 known toasters 7 are male....

Curious to see where they are going with Starbuck and how they are gonna explain her explosion survival and spanking new ship...Alien intervention perhaps? (That happened in the original show, btw) One of my friends reminded me of the "white people". I was such a little kid I didn't really remember. Kara screams out 'they are waiting', all the things Leoben has said about her 'nature'. I think the writers of this series has borrowed from the original idea, except this time it won't be 'aliens' as much as somethng more supernatural. Kara has special abililties she received from her father, who was from the 13th colony of Earth (which is why it feels familiar to her).

She was in Razor...
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kendra

Although she is apparently dead, she does fit the hybrid's description of the final Cylon:


Not sure if they will opt for an apparently dead character as the final toaster though. Would seem a bit of a cop out, especially as I don't think Kendra appeared at all in the main series either. It may seem odd, but the writers said Razor would play a role in the main series run for season 4. So far, I haven't seen the connection.

Also, has anyone else wondered why the 'six' model seems to have been changed and is being called 'new'? What caused the change? Is it even relevant or am I reaching?

[Superfreak]

Agreed

Kara has special abililties she received from her father, who was from the 13th colony of Earth (which is why it feels familiar to her).



this idea I like

[Sawyer]

http://www.tv.com/story/11145.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=news&tag=headlines;title;0

BSG creator gets new pilot
By Tim Surette - TV.com
April 14, 2008 at 12:40:00 PM | more stories by this author

Ronald D. Moore's severely sci-fi two-hour pilot Virtuality lands at Fox.

With Sci-Fi Channel's excellent Battlestar Galactica winding down its final season, its crew members are finding new work for the next chapter in their lives. Tahmoh Penikett, who plays Helo, is joining Joss Whedon's Dollhouse, Tricia Helfer, who plays sexy Cylon Number Six, has signed a deal with Fox where she will star in a future project, and show creator Ronald Moore has several writing projects in the works, including the Battlestar prequel Caprica.

Ronald D. Moore--the genius and beard behind Battlestar Galactica.
Now Moore has even more post-BSG work ahead of him. According toVariety, the writer/producer, along with fellow Battlestar producer Michael Taylor, shopped a new pilot to Fox, who quickly gobbled it up. The show, titled Virtuality, is a two-hour backdoor pilot heavily drenched in the pair's bread and butter: space-bound science fiction.

Virtuality follows a dozen astronauts on a mission to explore a distant galaxy. During the 10-year journey through space toward their destination, the group fills time by linking into self-created words in a virtual reality program. However, the team soon discovers that a bug has been implemented in the system and that someone on the mission may be the culprit.

The sci-fi drama will have an online presence in the form of a mock reality show that is part of Virtuality's story. They will appear as webisodes and feature the full cast.

Regarding Virtuality, Fox Entertainment's Kevin Reilly, who bought the project, was gushing with praise for the plot. "For all the times we've read that a project has a 'unique point of view,' it rarely applies," he said. "This time it does--in spades."

Virtuality will likely target 2009 for its debut, with the possibility of going to series upon successful numbers.


Looks like Ronald Moore has a new pilot. I'll give it a look.

Between Tamoh Penikett joining Joss Whedon's Dollhouse, Tricia Helfers Fox deal and now this, I dont think its the last we've seen of our BSG cast. Now if only Katee Sackhoff would get a show that isnt crap, like Bionic Woman was.

[ariellem]

Did anyone else read this...

In an Entertainment Weekly interview, Ron Moore reveals who is not the fifth Cylon. According to the article, neither William Adama, Lee Adama, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace, Karl Agathon, nor Gaius Baltar is the fifth Cylon.

*assuming* that's true, then of the options left I'm hoping the fifth will turn out to be Ellen. Hubby can have her back and won't be so miserable any more.

IF the final five can resurrect, I wonder if Tigh will get himself killed just to see if he comes back WITH his eye. Yes, D'Anna could have been talking to him in the Temple because of that. The Ones probably had the D'Annas canned just so they couldn't reveal the last Cylon to anyone.



Another way Starbuck could know about Earth without being a Cylon: what if she was born there? She could have been spirited away (either by her mother as we've seen on BSG or some other "real" mother) at a very young age.

How she knows which way Earth is: an implant. It was activated either in a VR sim or in actual proximity during the missing two months. Now the implant is a ticking time bomb, and if Kara doesn't get the fleet back to Earth in time it'll be bye-bye Starbuck. The purpose? Using her, in combination with something in the fleet, as a tool to destroy something or someone crucial - or several someones - on Earth.

[Angry Sentinel]

Edit...
Virtuality follows a dozen astronauts on a mission to explore a distant galaxy. During the 10-year journey through space toward their destination, the group fills time by linking into self-created words in a virtual reality program. However, the team soon discovers that a bug has been implemented in the system and that someone on the mission may be the culprit.

...gushing with praise for the plot. "For all the times we've read that a project has a 'unique point of view,' it rarely applies,"


Star Trek - Next Gen??? Halo Deck???

Sounds freaky, Ron better create some interesting characters. The show won't survive with just a bunch of varying matrix escapades.

[Darthphere]

Don't get excited, it's on Fox, it will be cancelled by episode 5.

[Superfreak]

Don't get excited, it's on Fox, it will be cancelled by episode 5.

the idea sounds kind of meh anyways, might be good though, but who knows

as for Caprica, I'm not very excited for that either. Does this show really need a prequel? I'm leaning towards no.

[Darthphere]

the idea sounds kind of meh anyways, might be good though, but who knows

I don't know how much fun people going into virtual worlds they create can be. I mean, there really should be no danger there.:huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

Hence the bug, I imagine. It'll probably make the virtual reality sentient or something weird like that.
Don't get excited, it's on Fox, it will be cancelled by episode 5.
My sentiments exactly. Anytime I see "new series" and "Fox" in the same sentence, I ignore it and move on. Unless it's something that can capture the attention of a large percentage of the vapid hordes we call American television audiences, Fox is gonna either cancel it or maim it through micromanagement, and sci fi shows have very, very rarely been able to garner such high numbers.

[BlackLantern]

sci fi still carries a stigma in the tv landscape....most people(the vapid hordes) don't want to admit to their other vapid colleagues they watch sci fi in fear of being ridiculed for not watching the latest edition of American Idol or Dancing With The Stars....

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, people are stupid.

[Fading]

It's always mystified me why watching badass seasoned war vets trying to survive a killer robot army, explosions, hot girls, an actual watchable and enjoyable plot, why that's nerdy and stupid.....yet watching a metro sexual male dance the salsa is cool...

I'm not trying to sound emo or goth, but I learned long ago that I don't give a crap what the general populace thinks when it comes to entertainment. Most just eat what's fed to them, their told X is the next big hit, that it's high in the ratings, and they watch it. Then ignore series like BSG that get hailed as being an enjoyable watch and the best show on TV purely because it's Sci-fi and not mainstream.

Lol, I probably sound bitter about it, guess I kinda am because shows like Firefly die long before their time while reality TV fills up 90% of prime time. I can bet if the new BSG had aired on Fox or NBC instead, had better advertising, and put in Jennifer Love Hewett instead of Katie Sackoff (think that's her real name), BSG would have been a hit.

[BlackLantern]

BSG on regular network TV would have been dead within a season, because it would have been considered nerdy....but I agree on most of your post

[TheCorpulent1]

The few sci fi shows that do make it big are usually very, very light on the actual sci fi. Lost and Heroes come to mind. Those are character dramas with sci fi backdrops. BSG is similar in many respects, but the very fact that they frequently engage in space battles and such makes them far more visibly sci fi-oriented than Lost or Heroes.

[Darthphere]

The few sci fi shows that do make it big are usually very, very light on the actual sci fi. Lost and Heroes come to mind. Those are character dramas with sci fi backdrops. BSG is similar in many respects, but the very fact that they frequently engage in space battles and such makes them far more visibly sci fi-oriented than Lost or Heroes.

Yeah, the Quantum Leaps of Knight Riders come to mind.

[BlackLantern]

Heroes and Lost have enough drama with sci fi sprinkled in to not make the general tv audience feel like total nerds....

[BlackLantern]

Yeah, the Quantum Leaps of Knight Riders come to mind.


Quantum Leap was such a character driven show though...it had the sci fi elements bookending the show, but as the show progressed you found yourself caring about whether Sam Beckett could get the job done...

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and again, not a lot of overt sci fi visuals to remind you "this is science fiction I'm watching right here." Just the flash at the beginning and end of each episode, really. Knight Rider was similarly just a guy with a car. The fact that the car talked and could do crazy stuff was sci fi, but the show essentially had a buddy cop format.

[Darthphere]

What channel did Trek play on?

[TheCorpulent1]

NBC, according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series).

[BlackLantern]

What channel did Trek play on?

either CBS or NBC...but the climate of network TV was very different at that point, networks were looking at the next imaginative trend in TV...if anything Star Trek (and its fans) gave sci fi the stigma that it has on TV today...

[union_jak]

They showed the first two episodes of the new season in the UK just now, so am I right in thinking we've caught up until this Friday?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, we've only gotten two episodes of season 4 here in the US so far. This Friday will bring us the third.

[union_jak]

They made the first two into a feature length special here, that was great to watch.

Can anyone remember what that person said to Kendra about Starbuck at the end of Razor? Was it something about her being the destroyer? Was she told so that the audience are in on it, or can we expect Kendra to in some way be referenced again?

[wobbly]

They made the first two into a feature length special here, that was great to watch.

Can anyone remember what that person said to Kendra about Starbuck at the end of Razor? Was it something about her being the destroyer? Was she told so that the audience are in on it, or can we expect Kendra to in some way be referenced again?

The hybrid said this of Starbuck:
“Kara Thrace will lead the human race to it's end. She is the herald of the apocalypse, the Harbinger of death. They must not follow her.”

He also said this as clues to the fifth Cylon among other things:
"At last, they’ve come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path, played out on a world not their own, will end soon enough. Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all. The seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of one splintering into many. And then, they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning." (I think was was only heard on the DVD version?)

Now regarding Starbuck, one theory I've read is she does find Earth soonish but it will be in our future and in a post apocalyptic/nuclear war state of ruin. If that is the case, then the Hybid's prophecy would be true, if in a somewhat different manner than we might have first thought.

[Superfreak]

The hybrid said this of Starbuck:


He also said this as clues to the fifth Cylon among other things:
(I think was was only heard on the DVD version?)

Now regarding Starbuck, one theory I've read is she does find Earth soonish but it will be in our future and in a post apocalyptic/nuclear war state of ruin. If that is the case, then the Hybid's prophecy would be true, if in a somewhat different manner than we might have first thought.

haha, awesome, I can't wait for adama to land on earth and spout the glorious charlton heston lines

[wobbly]

haha, awesome, I can't wait for adama to land on earth and spout the glorious charlton heston lines


"Get your paws of me, you damned dirty ape!!":huh:










I kid (of course:cwink::woot:)

[Angry Sentinel]

He also said this as clues to the fifth Cylon among other things:

Quote:
"At last, they’ve come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path, played out on a world not their own, will end soon enough. Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all. The seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of one splintering into many. And then, they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning."
Thank you for posting this, I've been wanting to review it for sometime.

He will find her... I'm going with Chief Tyrol and the orginal Boomer. He very much so loved her and with Callie 'probably' dying, Chief will need someone. Also, we see that the original Boomer's events have turned her
cold, but its mostly because she longs to be loved again.. this will bring resolution to both of them. Either that or it's Kara and Anders. That would also be interesting since she promised she would put a bullet in his head. I think I would like to see that one more than the Chief and Boomer.


The enemies joining will also be more about the human race joining the Cylons. Humans reach earth and almost die from the toxic wasteland... their only chance for survival will be to accept help from a civil war torn and embattered Cylon race. Who will also be needing the help of some good engineers (after killing off most of the Simons).

Sin will consume them, of course, alludes to the Civil war and barbery they will commit against one another.

Them joining the promise land, is still another hint of the two races coming together to survive in their new environment.

The promise land could be earth, but somehow I wonder. Maybe they return to Caprica.

The Angel is still up for grabs, could be a cylon, could be a human... my vote for Cylon would be Six, the human choice is obviously Baltar (and his Six).

[Superfreak]

Thank you for posting this, I've been wanting to review it for sometime.

He will find her... I'm going with Chief Tyrol and the orginal Boomer. He very much so loved her and with Callie 'probably' dying, Chief will need someone. Also, we see that the original Boomer's events have turned her
cold, but its mostly because she longs to be loved again.. this will bring resolution to both of them. Either that or it's Kara and Anders. That would also be interesting since she promised she would put a bullet in his head. I think I would like to see that one more than the Chief and Boomer.


The enemies joining will also be more about the human race joining the Cylons. Humans reach earth and almost die from the toxic wasteland... their only chance for survival will be to accept help from a civil war torn and embattered Cylon race. Who will also be needing the help of some good engineers (after killing off most of the Simons).

Sin will consume them, of course, alludes to the Civil war and barbery they will commit against one another.

Them joining the promise land, is still another hint of the two races coming together to survive in their new environment.

The promise land could be earth, but somehow I wonder. Maybe they return to Caprica.

The Angel is still up for grabs, could be a cylon, could be a human... my vote for Cylon would be Six, the human choice is obviously Baltar (and his Six).


'him finding her' could be Torrie and Baltar as well



I'm thinking it'll go like this: the cylons are gonna get dirty, by that, they are going to sin, and realize that they are not the 'godly' being they thought they were. This will drive cylons and humanity together.

in the end, the final conflict will probably stem from the liberation of the 'lower' forms of Cylons. The final conflict of the series probably being over the alliance between humans and humanform cylons, vs. the mechanical cylons... IMO of course

"And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering" -> who needs redemption among our lists of potential final cylon?

I'm just thinking here, but for me, the most shocking person to turn out as a cylon would be Callie in the end. (remember last year they 'fired' Katie Sackoff to try and sell the 'starbuck is dead' angle? but the whole thing didn't turn out very well IMO, because they killed her one episode, and brought her back almost the next week) so maybe the chief will kill Callie because she finds out, only to find out that she is the one. That would be brutal, almost worse than Tigh, as he had the excuse of protecting everybody when killing ellen, while the chief would merely be protecting himself, a purely selfish motivation.

[Superfreak]

so here's the question of my week, can I write my 3hour advance micro economic theory exam fast enough, to get home by 10, including a 45 minute commute, which all starts at 7.

me thinks I can swing it, crosses fingers

[BlackLantern]

so here's the question of my week, can I write my 3hour advance micro economic theory exam fast enough, to get home by 10, including a 45 minute commute, which all starts at 7.

me thinks I can swing it, crosses fingers

me thinks you should invest in Tivo or a DVR

[Angry Sentinel]

LOL

If he's in college, there's usually no money for these types of luxuries...

I would have the same problem, but my job is slow, so I've been working
on my assignments all week at work.

[TheCorpulent1]

I had a DVR in college. Scholarships rock. :)

I'm looking forward to tonight. My friends are having another Battlestar night. :D

[Superfreak]

I had a DVR in college. Scholarships rock. :)

I'm looking forward to tonight. My friends are having another Battlestar night. :D

College, neh, grad school baby. Anyhow, me too, I've been cramming this masters level econ into my brain all morning... all I've gotta do now, is wait til seven, dump the contents of my brain on the exam booklet, and book the hell outta there

[Superfreak]

haha, I just found out actually, that I can defer my exam for as long as I want, for any reason I want: I wonder if deferring an exam, because BSG is on is legal?

[DBM]

Just watched the episode on my lunch break. Who's ready for some huge spoilers?

Seriously, don't read it unless you want the episode ruined for you. I'm not kidding.

Cally finds out about Tory, Tyrol and Tigh. She freaks, tries to space herself and her son. Tory is able to stop Cally, but then steals the baby away and spaces Cally

[TheCorpulent1]

haha, I just found out actually, that I can defer my exam for as long as I want, for any reason I want: I wonder if deferring an exam, because BSG is on is legal?
Try it and see. :)

[Superfreak]

Just watched the episode on my lunch break. Who's ready for some huge spoilers?

Seriously, don't read it unless you want the episode ruined for you. I'm not kidding.

Cally finds out about Tory, Tyrol and Tigh. She freaks, tries to space herself and her son. Tory is able to stop Cally, but then steals the baby away and spaces Cally

where'd you get it, you could save me a whole load of trouble

[DBM]

where'd you get it, you could save me a whole load of trouble
They have a live stream starting every hour from 9am to 4pm Eastern at the SciFi website.

http://www.scifi.com/

So if you want to watch it, you've got about a half hour before the next one starts.

[Pink Ranger]

Only halfway through, but wow:

Kara's got most of the best of the Galactica crew on her ship. Who's left working for the old man?

[phoenixflight]

Holy HELL..great episode!!!

Tory is the sh**!!!

[Fading]

Good episode, I do feel for her tho.

Especially when Callie went out the airlock and they put her frozen corpsey face in the background.

However, she was going to kill herself, and her son. If she would have gotten to Adama or someone who could do something about it, she would have reported about the final 5 and got Tigh, Torrie and Chief executed. She was alrdy half out of her mind. She was on a destructive spiral at the end there.

Shame tho, only on her last episode did her character ever become interesting to me.

[Mandi-chan]

Great episode, although...


I can't say I'm sad to see Callie go...she killed Boomer for the same reason Tori murdered her. Can anyone say: KARMA!!!

Plus, she was going to kill herself and the baby anyway....and she had one nasty and somewhat manipulative personality...can you tell I DON'T like Callie!

Oh well...Tori's on the list next for getting what's coming to her. I don't like Callie, and she WAS going to kill herself, but that was still pretty cold and evil of Tori...

[Pink Ranger]

Yeah. it would be kind of interesting if:

Tori ends up being the worst and most sadistic of the Cylons.

[ariellem]

Yeah. it would be kind of interesting if:

Tori ends up being the worst and most sadistic of the Cylons.

She's certainly trying, although those creepy 1s will give her a run for her money. Maybe Tigh and Chief have to "box" her line and reprogram her in order to stop her.

If there's an Angel, wouldn't the obvious one be Starbuck?

[Superfreak]

1) I think the entire audience wants to murder Tori after that.

2)Callie was actually really good looking in this episode, and they killed her

3)I don't know: but does anybody somewhat suspect that Callie might be the final cylon? I mean she said she started going nutz as soon as they got to the nebula, maybe she was hearing the music too (the musical theme cuts, were the same ones from the season 3 finale(s).

4)The Starbuck stuff is alright, but I think they should have waited an episode, before her 'crew' starts getting stir crazy, her aswell: just to get the right feeling of time passage (for the characters and the audience).

5)Apollo was great too. His role as the political 'keep you honest' officer is good. Basically a repeat of what we saw in the finale, with Apollo challanging the President without all the facts (perhaps), and losing. But fighting none the less.


meh, overall, the episode was alright... and was totally saved by the Cylon goings on in the background, and it's awesome that the civil war didn't just evaporate, but has now jumped to a whole other level.

[Angry Sentinel]

Good point about the civil war, it did jump to another level... it's now, at best, just going to be a rebellion. All those Cylons are done, they just killed millions of models. Are there any left? Interesting that we didn't see the Leobens (#2), wonder where they were. Of course we know one six survives(so the last supper promo is becoming very relevant) and is going to lead the rebellion.

Tori's going to be a problem, wait until the chief finds out what she did. Even though it might have been necessary, he's really gonna be messed up.

[Pink Ranger]

It's a credit to the show's writers that in an episode that features a mass, all-out Cylon civil war, the main plotline that seems to have all the viewers here talking is the very human-centred story with Callie etc.

However, with respect to the Cylon civil war arc, I wonder what role the Resurrection Ship plays in all of this. Obviously, one side cannot win decisively as long as the others get to keep coming back, and vice versa, so I'm wondering if those ships are considered sacred ground. And then, who's going to be the first side to violate that.

[The Apocalypse]

Damn, that was a really good ep. Sort of messed up though.

Not glad to see Cally go, but she was going to kill her baby and that isn't cool. What I don't understand is why will they trust Boomer but if they find out The 4 are Cylons they automatically will get tossed out of the air lock. They obviously are different. Also, I like how they hinted that they four might not be able to resurrect. I don't believe the Final 5 have mutiple copies.

[Sawyer]

What I'm curious about is
How will Tory explain herself? I cant imagine how she will. She was there, she pushed the button. Someone's bound to find out.


And did you see that punch that Tory gave Callie? Damn, she must have cylon strength in bulk.

[EdRyder]

It's a credit to the show's writers that in an episode that features a mass, all-out Cylon civil war, the main plotline that seems to have all the viewers here talking is the very human-centred story with Callie etc.

However, with respect to the Cylon civil war arc, I wonder what role the Resurrection Ship plays in all of this. Obviously, one side cannot win decisively as long as the others get to keep coming back, and vice versa, so I'm wondering if those ships are considered sacred ground. And then, who's going to be the first side to violate that.

The trick was Cavil lured them far enough away from the resurrection ship.

Side note: Anyone catch - Weapons Locker 1701D?

[phoenixflight]

Tory's actions fits her perfectly. She's not meant to be 'good', after all she is a cylon but she did save Nicholas (and for a cylon, a hybrid child is very important). It seems like her model is very good at deception. She was the one who initially wanted to 'fix' the Presidential race for Roslin and then also conspired to hide Hera.

I think Lee would make a great President and I could see it happen too. For me, Tom is the final cylon.

[Dr Lee]

This is the third seperate site where i've seen people commenting on the Weapons Locker.....

I don't get it?

[Pink Ranger]

The trick was Cavil lured them far enough away from the resurrection ship.


Ah, I get it. So I guess it mean the Sixes, etc. are effectively boxed for the time being.

[EdRyder]

This is the third seperate site where i've seen people commenting on the Weapons Locker.....

I don't get it?
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a43/fightthefuture/1701d_wall2.jpg
1701-D

[ariellem]

Good point about the civil war, it did jump to another level... it's now, at best, just going to be a rebellion. All those Cylons are done, they just killed millions of models. Are there any left? Interesting that we didn't see the Leobens (#2), wonder where they were.

The Leobens were probably trying to find out where Starbuck had gone so they could hit on her again. :cwink:

[TheCorpulent1]

I wish they'd box Leoben. That dude's creepy.

[ariellem]

Creepy, yes, but not like the priest. That one needs to go.

Leoben hits much the same vibe as Daniel Clark's Bond & Azriel - dangerous, but magnetic.
The actor - Callum Keith Rennie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callum_Keith_Rennie - would have made an awesome Krycek. According to Wikipedia, he's going to be in the new (second) X-Files movie. He was great as Zero in "Tin Man".

Was hoping CKR would turn out to be "Earth Stood Still" Michael Rennie's son, but not :-<

~~~~~~~~~~~~
On an unrelated note, why is our dear Six the only one without much of a name? The others all get called by a name; she generally gets called Six (or sometimes Caprica). Usually just Six.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I love Cavil. He's a great, love-to-hate sort of villain.

[ariellem]

Easy to hate, but creepy when he ogles/makes out with Sharon, especially with that cult thing going on in the news this week. He's really not someone I want to see doing that.

[Angry Sentinel]

Damn, that was a really good ep. Sort of messed up though.

Not glad to see Cally go, but she was going to kill her baby and that isn't cool. What I don't understand is why will they trust Boomer but if they find out The 4 are Cylons they automatically will get tossed out of the air lock. They obviously are different. Also, I like how they hinted that they four might not be able to resurrect. I don't believe the Final 5 have mutiple copies. I agree, this is kind of been bothering me too.

They need to spend a little more time explaining why they are in hiding. But I think the basics go like this... Agathon has proven herself to be an officer. She still isn't completely liked by anyone but Helo. But they do believe she knows herself and has made a choice. The four are afraid because they have been in hiding. Most will see them as liars, which will cause fear. Fear will lead to all kinds of problems.

The truth is, one of them should be arguing to go to the 'old man' and tell him the deal. It is only going to be worse if or when they are discovered than if they would have revealed themselves on their own.

[Sawyer]

I didnt care much for this episode. I mean, some interesting stuff happened, but I could have done without a Callie-centric episode.

And also, that Boomer-Cavil kiss was all sorts of disturbing.

[ariellem]

^ I agree with you 100% on both issues. Not interested in Callie; not interested in Tory/-i; not interested in Anders. Wish they hadn't made Tory & Anders Cylons - didn't care to see much of them on the show in general. DO like Chief, Tigh, & Boomer, but not Boomer w/ Cavil. Too Lolita-ish.

[Sawyer]

Well, i dunno, I like Anders and Tory...

[Red Mask]

I didn't like Callie. So in honor of her departure I think somebody should make a video of it. The song they should use is the Evil Dead song "YOU BLEW THAT ***** AWAY!". :)

[ariellem]

Well, i dunno, I like Anders and Tory...

I like Starbuck with Lee better, I don't think Anders would be a good Superman whatsoever, and I miss Billy and wanted to see him end up with Dee. What can I say? :cwink:

[Superfreak]

Easy to hate, but creepy when he ogles/makes out with Sharon, especially with that cult thing going on in the news this week. He's really not someone I want to see doing that.


nothing wrong with older men and younger women, the probelm arises when they are old men, and children... and in this case, they're all robots.... It's just gross seeing 'Dr. Yuwee' kissing anybody

[amazingfantasy15]

Ah, I get it. So I guess it mean the Sixes, etc. are effectively boxed for the time being.

They not boxed they're dead, all the Sixes and Sharon's on those ships can't come back.

[Pink Ranger]

They not boxed they're dead, all the Sixes and Sharon's on those ships can't come back.

So the Six on Galactica is now unique. And there are only two Eights left: Boomer and Athena. Interesting ...

[Pink Ranger]

They not boxed they're dead, all the Sixes and Sharon's on those ships can't come back.

So the Six on Galactica is now unique. And there are only two Eights left: Boomer and Athena. Interesting ...

[Speedball]

So the Six on Galactica is now unique. And there are only two Eights left: Boomer and Athena. Interesting ...
Well...I think the only ones left in the fleet
There are more back on the Colonies.
So...How DO the threes get unboxed...

[Fading]

They not boxed they're dead, all the Sixes and Sharon's on those ships can't come back.

Yup. Basically there's 100's, 1000's, who knows how many replacement bodies, as they are machines. However only one set of each type of personality per mold. Like Caprica is the only Caprica, is she dies that personality is gone. Of course there are a few personalities per model, like when we saw like 12 or so naked Boomers. Then if they die too far away from the ressurection ship their personality can't upload and download to the ship and a new body, it's a permanent death.

Did I miss something tho? I remember their ship being attacked but I didn't remember it being fully destroyed, was it? If so then I can see the signifigance of Caprica in that pic as she's the last of her particular model, but same can be said of Boomer.

[Sawyer]

Other things I forgot to mention...

Tory's really the village bike on Galactica, isnt she? I mean, first Anders (not too long after his wife died, I might add), then Baltar and now she's trying to get in the Chiefs pants. It's only a matter of time before she jumps Tigh's bones.
and
Has anyone else noticed that all of the four have faced a huge loss? Tigh lost (or, more correctly, killed) Ellen, Sam lost Starbuck (she got better, though), the Chief has lost Cally and sooner or later Tory will lose the President. Something to think about...

[TheCorpulent1]

Yup. Basically there's 100's, 1000's, who knows how many replacement bodies, as they are machines. However only one set of each type of personality per mold. Like Caprica is the only Caprica, is she dies that personality is gone. Of course there are a few personalities per model, like when we saw like 12 or so naked Boomers. Then if they die too far away from the ressurection ship their personality can't upload and download to the ship and a new body, it's a permanent death.

Did I miss something tho? I remember their ship being attacked but I didn't remember it being fully destroyed, was it? If so then I can see the signifigance of Caprica in that pic as she's the last of her particular model, but same can be said of Boomer.
I don't recall seeing the ship totally explode, either. I think the Six who started the whole civil war, Natalie, is supposed to be a major character this season, too. Even if the ship does explode, I have a feeling she'll find some way to survive.

[Angry Sentinel]

Other things I forgot to mention...

Tory's really the village bike on Galactica, isnt she? I mean, first Anders (not too long after his wife died, I might add), then Baltar and now she's trying to get in the Chiefs pants. It's only a matter of time before she jumps Tigh's bones.
and
Has anyone else noticed that all of the four have faced a huge loss? Tigh lost (or, more correctly, killed) Ellen, Sam lost Starbuck (she got better, though), the Chief has lost Cally and sooner or later Tory will lose the President. Something to think about...

Good observation. Although I'm not sure if Tori is in the same category as the rest, even if she does 'lose' the president.

lol, what is that line from, I can't remember?

"I thought you were dead
... I got better"

[TheCorpulent1]

Given how Tory treated Callie at the end of the last episode, I think her great loss may be her humanity.

[Darthphere]

I don't recall seeing the ship totally explode, either. I think the Six who started the whole civil war, Natalie, is supposed to be a major character this season, too. Even if the ship does explode, I have a feeling she'll find some way to survive.

Maybe the Centurions protected her long enough to get her to a heavy raider os something, since you know, she freed them in a sense and all.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, maybe. She's their Che; all the Centurions are gonna get her face spraypainted on their chestplates and people will make fun of them for being trendy when they get to Earth. :up:

[Darthphere]

They'll all wear aviators....

[TheCorpulent1]

We'll be able to tell the revolutionary Centurions from the normal ones by their berets.

[Darthphere]

Your quest for 100,000 posts has me on edge.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't keep count.

[Darthphere]

Sure you do liar, you have your revolutionary che loving beret wearing centurions giving you hourly updates.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wish I had personal Centurions in berets.

[phoenixflight]

What about back on Caprica (old not new)...did all the Cylon models abandon old Caprica for New Caprica??

[Darthphere]

No.

[LexCorp]

Just watched the new double episode for BSG

So great,

But wait....6 went away and Baltar was there in stead! Holy coolness.

[Sawyer]

Good observation. Although I'm not sure if Tori is in the same category as the rest, even if she does 'lose' the president.

lol, what is that line from, I can't remember?

"I thought you were dead
... I got better"

I think it might've been Batman...not sure.

[LexCorp]

I wish I had personal Centurions in berets.

French cyclons?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, Cuban ones.

[LexCorp]

No, Cuban ones.

Oh OK

I loved it when 6 took control of everything and said no to voting.

You see no one wants to vote these days.

[Pink Ranger]

Good observation. Although I'm not sure if Tori is in the same category as the rest, even if she does 'lose' the president.

lol, what is that line from, I can't remember?

"I thought you were dead
... I got better"

I believe its a loving homage to Monty Python's Holy Grail.

"She turned me into a newt!"

"A newt?"

"I got better ..."

[union_jak]

Has anyone else noticed that all of the four have faced a huge loss? Tigh lost (or, more correctly, killed) Ellen, Sam lost Starbuck (she got better, though), the Chief has lost Cally and sooner or later Tory will lose the President. Something to think about...
I was actually thinking about strategic positioning earlier-

If the Cylons have an 'official' switch to turn the final five on, then they are (at least in audience terms) close enough to seriously affect everyone.

Tory is close enough to the President, and trustworthy enough and murder would be unexpected.
Sam is married to Starbuck, and she has some deep connection to the Cylons from what we can tell.
Tigh is firm friends with Adama, and an assassination would come out of the blue after decades.
Chief is right there in the hanger bay, trusted by the pilots and crew, and able to sabotage every single ship that he checks over.
The fifth one, going by this idea, would have to concentrate on another area... I just can't think where that is, or who it'd be.

Imagine it though; an 'execute Order 66' style awakening where the leader of the fleet is killed, the leader of the colonies is killed, the saviour/destroyer of humankind is killed and the pilots and defenders of the fleet are all killed. It would be mass confusion.

This scenario could never happen though, the show couldn't continue if all of the above were killed.

[Superfreak]

I was actually thinking about strategic positioning earlier-

If the Cylons have an 'official' switch to turn the final five on, then they are (at least in audience terms) close enough to seriously affect everyone.

Tory is close enough to the President, and trustworthy enough and murder would be unexpected.
Sam is married to Starbuck, and she has some deep connection to the Cylons from what we can tell.
Tigh is firm friends with Adama, and an assassination would come out of the blue after decades.
Chief is right there in the hanger bay, trusted by the pilots and crew, and able to sabotage every single ship that he checks over.
The fifth one, going by this idea, would have to concentrate on another area... I just can't think where that is, or who it'd be.

Imagine it though; an 'execute Order 66' style awakening where the leader of the fleet is killed, the leader of the colonies is killed, the saviour/destroyer of humankind is killed and the pilots and defenders of the fleet are all killed. It would be mass confusion.

This scenario could never happen though, the show couldn't continue if all of the above were killed.


then the fifth must be with Baltar. He's the only central leader without a final five cylon

[ariellem]

Nah, Neelix is the fifth. He could poison everyone from the kitchen ;->

[Pink Ranger]

Nah, Neelix is the fifth. He could poison everyone from the kitchen ;->

LOL, comparing the best science fiction show in TV history to one of the worst. :p

[Angry Sentinel]

Good observations, but the show is definitely not going in that direction. Not just because that would kill all the main characters, but because they have made it clear
that the Cylons are not in control of many of these happenings.

The awakening of the four, starbucks return, and weird, psuedo-linked dreams seems to be controlled by the Nebula... in fact, a lot of activity has taken place in Nebulas, or at the Supernova of a star. Even the way to Earth seems to be linked to these astrological events.


The strategic positioning probably will play a role, they are in postitions that should have powerful impact on what decisions will be made.

[ariellem]

^ interesting observation. Are you suggesting that the nebulas are some sort of control devices, or wormholes? Or that they'll control the appearance of the Fifth?

[Superfreak]

Good observations, but the show is definitely not going in that direction. Not just because that would kill all the main characters, but because they have made it clear
that the Cylons are not in control of many of these happenings.

The awakening of the four, starbucks return, and weird, psuedo-linked dreams seems to be controlled by the Nebula... in fact, a lot of activity has taken place in Nebulas, or at the Supernova of a star. Even the way to Earth seems to be linked to these astrological events.


The strategic positioning probably will play a role, they are in postitions that should have powerful impact on what decisions will be made.

It's actually the same nebula I think, from the Temple of Five, up until now. I think they are still trying to get around all that mess, that mess that killed Kat.

as for the cylons, I don't think they control anything... but when and where they are awakened is destined (or something) That's why I think the final cylon is with Baltar.

Every major Character in a position of power has a cylon. Adama/Tigh, Roselin/Tori, Starbuck/Anders, Galactica/Chief. There really is only one central lead character left, who doesn't have a final five cylon, again, that's Baltar

[LexCorp]

I really want the final cylon to be Baltar.

I know it seems so obivous but I really want it to be him.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, Baltar's their prophet. The prophet's gotta come from the people they're preaching to. He's totally human.

[LexCorp]

Nah, Baltar's their prophet. The prophet's gotta come from the people they're preaching to. He's totally human.

He seems to be just a huge part of it all.

Yes the prohet role would be cool I just want him to be the main point of everything. I just like the character so much.

[Donnie Darko]

There really is only one central lead character left, who doesn't have a final five cylon, again, that's Baltar

but he has had a Cylon guide (in his head, at least) for the entire series

[LexCorp]

but he has had a Cylon guide (in his head, at least) for the entire series

Which makes me think he has access to a higher plain. Access to what really is controling everything.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why does that necessarily make him a Cylon, though? Roslin's had weird, metaphysical visions; is she a Cylon as well?

Plus, Baltar's technically had more than his fair share of Cylons--Caprica Six, D'Anna, Tory... ;)

[LexCorp]

Why does that necessarily make him a Cylon, though? Roslin's had weird, metaphysical visions; is she a Cylon as well?

Plus, Baltar's technically had more than his fair share of Cylons--Caprica Six, D'Anna, Tory... ;)

I guess I just see this guy as the mac daddy of BSG

[Angry Sentinel]

^ interesting observation. Are you suggesting that the nebulas are some sort of control devices, or wormholes? Or that they'll control the appearance of the Fifth? I'm fairly certain the appearance of the fifth will take place around some type of astrological event. And yes, the nebulas almost seem to be controlled by a supernatural element, maybe even the children of earth.

What if the future Earth isn't a desolate wasteland, but contains a highly evolved superior race of humans? who have been trying to telepathically contact their lost brothers and sisters.


It's actually the same nebula I think, from the Temple of Five, up until now. I think they are still trying to get around all that mess, that mess that killed Kat.

as for the cylons, I don't think they control anything... but when and where they are awakened is destined (or something) That's why I think the final cylon is with Baltar.

Every major Character in a position of power has a cylon. Adama/Tigh, Roselin/Tori, Starbuck/Anders, Galactica/Chief. There really is only one central lead character left, who doesn't have a final five cylon, again, that's Baltar
I've been wanting to review the episodes with the astological information to figure out what is what. I think it would help to understand that better.

I could see the final cylon being near Baltar, but it would have to be someone who fits the hybrids description. Otherwise they would need to explain why not.

[Darthphere]

Why does that necessarily make him a Cylon, though? Roslin's had weird, metaphysical visions; is she a Cylon as well?

Plus, Baltar's technically had more than his fair share of Cylons--Caprica Six, D'Anna, Tory... ;)

At the same time, lucky bastard.

[TheCorpulent1]

I bet they got other Sixes and Threes in on the action a few times, too. :up:

[LexCorp]

I bet they got other Sixes and Threes in on the action a few times, too. :up:

Anyone else think that the 1s use the Boomer (3s ?) models for sex or just plain perving?

[Darthphere]

I would.

[LexCorp]

I would.

The boomer model is always doing naked things....

Naked tai chi....hmmmm

[Darthphere]

Like I said, I don't mind.

[LexCorp]

Like I said, I don't mind.

I just found it odd that the 1 model labeled the other models with specific attributes. Made me think each model was made for a purpose.

[TheCorpulent1]

So what were the Sixes? The crazy revolutionary model?

[Darthphere]

The whore model?

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought we just established that was the Boomer model. :o

[LexCorp]

The whore model?

Thats what the 1 model made it sound like lol

[ariellem]

1s - Cavill - nasty overcontrolling bastard priests who like women half their age
3s - D'Anna - nosy reporters, curious about sex but not sex-crazed
6es - Caprica, Gina, Natalie - oversexed revolutionaries, possibly obsessed with Baltar/Hera
8s - Sharon/Boomer/Athena - baby-craving nudists who'll sleep with just about any guy (Chief, Helo, Cavill - but not Baltar, right?)

can't remember the others' numbers...
Leobens - sociopathic brainbenders obsessed with Starbuck
docs/techs - same (these need to have more personality/lines)
guys in jackets - creepy tour guides/sneaky administrators

Still would like to know why the Sixes are the only ones who really look different from each other. The others have multiple outfits, but that's about it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Natalie's just weird and likes to dye her hair...

[Superfreak]

The whore model?

well, in theory, each model of cylon may represent each of the colonies. The devout colonies being represented by the devout cylons, the liberal cylons representing the more liberal cylons.... etc. That would make a weird sense to me. 12 cylons, 12 colonies, and perhaps the cylons are the embodied version of each astrological culture, and they would exude this in their behavior.

[TheCorpulent1]

Do we even know the political leanings of each of the colonies to compare them, though? All I remember is that Sagittarans are uber-religious (except Dee) and Capricans are considered the privileged elite.

[EdRyder]

I remember Baltar made note of originally being from Arilon(the inference was he went out of his way to lose the accent so he wouldn't be looked down upon for being a dirty farmer)Which in a way gives credence to the idea that Capricans are the elite(there was no way the Dr could have "made it" as a doctor seeing as how hes from Arilon)
I believe Zarek is from Arilon too.

[EdRyder]

All colonies speak the same language, but apparently have different accents or dialects. At least one archaic language, Old Gemenese, is referred to by Colonial Lt. Kendra Shaw.
The people of Gemenon are deeply religious and believe in the literal interpretation of the scriptures. They abhor the practice of abortion; however, Colonial law allows it to occur.
Sagittaron is seen as a neglected and disenfranchised member of the colonies, oppressed for several centuries (whether by external or domestic tyrants is not made clear). They do not believe in modern medicine and handle sickness and injury with traditional cures and prayers.
Gemenon, Sagittaron, and Aerelon are regarded as "poor colonies" where most of the inhabitants worked in harsh blue-collar jobs while the colonies of Caprica, Tauron and Virgon contained a more elite and educated social class who worked administrative and professional white-collar jobs. Caprica, being the capital of the Colonies, is especially cosmopolitan, and the religious attitudes of Capricans are in stark contrast with those of Gemenon and Sagittaron.
Aerelon is primarily a farming colony and is referred to by Gaius Baltar as the "foodbasket" of the Twelve Colonies. When portraying Baltar's "native" accent, James Callis adopts a Yorkshire accent as it is an accent that can be stereotypically associated with people who come from a working class background and thus fit the image that his character was trying to project of life on Aerelon as a backward agricultural planet

go wiki, go

[phoenixflight]

Tom Zarek is from Sagittaron.

[LexCorp]

1s - Cavill - nasty overcontrolling bastard priests who like women half their age
3s - D'Anna - nosy reporters, curious about sex but not sex-crazed
6es - Caprica, Gina, Natalie - oversexed revolutionaries, possibly obsessed with Baltar/Hera
8s - Sharon/Boomer/Athena - baby-craving nudists who'll sleep with just about any guy (Chief, Helo, Cavill - but not Baltar, right?)

can't remember the others' numbers...
Leobens - sociopathic brainbenders obsessed with Starbuck
docs/techs - same (these need to have more personality/lines)
guys in jackets - creepy tour guides/sneaky administrators

Still would like to know why the Sixes are the only ones who really look different from each other. The others have multiple outfits, but that's about it.

Indeed the sixes seem to adhere to the fashion thing a lot more than the others.

[Superfreak]

go wiki, go

now, can we link these known colonies, with the actions and behaviors of our 11 known cylons?

[LexCorp]

now, can we link these known colonies, with the actions and behaviors of our 11 known cylons?

To rich for my blood I'm out.

[Bastila]

I take it you've all seen this weeks episode but incase someone hasn't

I feel sorry for Cally, being killed like that, and plus they can say she was on drugs and well killed herself. But I hope Cheif finds out Tori done it and well gets her back for it. And I think Tori is becoming evil and Cylon like, shes a freak.
Kara what the hell is up with her, I hope they find Earth or a link to Earth soon.
Cavil and Boomer - ew sick!
Cylons fighting one another is great, look now they just are like humans fighting one another.
And we might see 3 soon yeah! I think when we do, we will find out more about the final 5th Cylon, as she has seen their faces

[LexCorp]

I take it you've all seen this weeks episode but incase someone hasn't

I feel sorry for Cally, being killed like that, and plus they can say she was on drugs and well killed herself. But I hope Cheif finds out Tori done it and well gets her back for it. And I think Tori is becoming evil and Cylon like, shes a freak.
Kara what the hell is up with her, I hope they find Earth or a link to Earth soon.
Cavil and Boomer - ew sick!
Cylons fighting one another is great, look now they just are like humans fighting one another.
And we might see 3 soon yeah! I think when we do, we will find out more about the final 5th Cylon, as she has seen their faces

When did that air here in the UK?

[Bastila]

When did that air here in the UK?

Tuesday on Sky One at 9pm :p

How is Lexstila :D

[LexCorp]

Tuesday on Sky One at 9pm :p

How is Lexstila :D

Ah I see

I have only seen the pilot so far

I need to catch up

Cool :)

[union_jak]

While the secret Cylons are apparently getting a nasty streak, I have to say I actually now like neither Lee or Starbuck.

[TheCorpulent1]

I still like Lee. I haven't liked Starbuck for a long time. Although, given what a ***** he is around her, I like Anders even less now that he's gone back to pining for her.

[Sawyer]

I never cared much for Lee. He's had some good moments in the series, as all the characters have, but overall he seems a bit of a douche.

My favorites on the show, that keep me coming back are Sharon, Baltar and Six.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like Lee because he's willing to let himself change. He's not locked into any one thing. If he feels like his path lies elsewhere, he'll pursue that.

Plus, idealism is always refreshing, particularly Lee's brand of common sense idealism.

[LexCorp]

Baltar is the main reason I watch not the only reason but the main reason.

I relate to him the most.

[BlackLantern]

I'm so happy that Callie got blown out of the airlock....I was tired of her after New Caprica, she's like a girl that got pregnant young and thought a baby would fix all her problems, and all it did was make her angry and bitter.....and she had stupid hair

[LexCorp]

I'm so happy that Callie got blown out of the airlock....I was tired of her after New Caprica, she's like a girl that got pregnant young and thought a baby would fix all her problems, and all it did was make her angry and bitter.....and she had stupid hair

lol

Bad hair = death

[BlackLantern]

lol

Bad hair = death

darn right....

[Superfreak]

it's been rumored that we'll be seeing earth in the top 10 episodes of this season. So I'm assuming that we are starting to approach that. What are you think the chances that we'll see earth in the next 3 epis?

[LexCorp]

it's been rumored that we'll be seeing earth in the top 10 episodes of this season. So I'm assuming that we are starting to approach that. What are you think the chances that we'll see earth in the next 3 epis?

Pretty good I think

I don't think they can do Earth in the last few episodes and wrap it up well enough. They need to get their and find the twist and then wrap it up over more episodes.

[Fading]

Ya, chances are when they arrive at Earth it's going to answer questions, but cause new ones to pop up too. They will needs probably 4-5 episodes or so to tie up loose ends and address Earth. Luckily however this isn't like what happened with SG-1 where the show was canned in the middle of a storyline. BSG writers have had plenty of time to think over the end and pace it right.

I'm just wondering what time period of Earth they arrive on? Some primitive Earth with a plot twist that would make humans came from another planet conspiracy theorists wet themselves? A post nuclear war Earth where humans are all dead? A modern or possibly 50-70's Earth? Or a futuristic Earth where Galactica on it's last legs about to explode enters Earth space and a huge kickass Earth armada saves their asses at the last seconds and blows the Cylon fleet to pieces?

[Superfreak]

Ya, chances are when they arrive at Earth it's going to answer questions, but cause new ones to pop up too. They will needs probably 4-5 episodes or so to tie up loose ends and address Earth. Luckily however this isn't like what happened with SG-1 where the show was canned in the middle of a storyline. BSG writers have had plenty of time to think over the end and pace it right.

I'm just wondering what time period of Earth they arrive on? Some primitive Earth with a plot twist that would make humans came from another planet conspiracy theorists wet themselves? A post nuclear war Earth where humans are all dead? A modern or possibly 50-70's Earth? Or a futuristic Earth where Galactica on it's last legs about to explode enters Earth space and a huge kickass Earth armada saves their asses at the last seconds and blows the Cylon fleet to pieces?

well, in the end, I suspect that we'll be left with one copy of each of our 12 cylons, allied with galactica vs. the unleashed mechanical cylons

[LexCorp]

I would like earth to be deserted

[BlackLantern]

I would like earth to be deserted

I would like to see Galactica vs. Planet of the Apes.....go dig up Heston!!!!!

[Fading]

Thoughts about this week....it was a good episode but not as much plot advancement as I had hoped, not that I mind character specific episodes. I feel sorry for what Chief's going thru and what his character is becoming, but at the same time to be honest I see him as weak. He suffered a great loss, he was crammed into a bad situation, but everyone else in BSG has been put in similar situations and suffered losses. Dude has free will and support but turned down Adama and the others offer to help and said some nasty (albeit true, she was no angel, tried to kill her own kid) things. He is lashing out at ppl that don't deserve it and are trying to help, and is wallowing in self pity.

Baltar and Lee's story intersecting is interesting. However I'm once again wondering if that six really just a figment of his imagination? When it panned from him being picked up with six to her not being there, his clothes still looked physically moved, and he was in a position his legs probably shouldn't have been able to support.

[TheCorpulent1]

Tonight's episode was marked, more than anything else, by ****in' crazy eyes. So many characters on this show are bat**** insane.

[Angry Sentinel]

Well it's official...Battlestar is and always has been a show about religiosity. People's hate for it will now become cemented. Which is sad really, because this is the first sci-fi show that actually pulled off the subtle blend of story-telling, science fiction, and hard core questions/ideals about faith.

However I'm once again wondering if that six really just a figment of his imagination? There's no more wondering for me... she's not only real, she's quite supernatural(spiritual). She appears to be exactly what she told him she was(way back in season 1)... an angel from God.

Maybe they won't go in this direction, but I can't see any other explanations.
It all makes sense too... all of the prophetic visions, Starbuck had to die to reach the promise land, children of men coming home to destroy them and in essence force them to see their one true God.

[Sawyer]

So....are Tigh and Six gonna frack or what?

Seriously though, did anyone notice that, when compared to Six, Ellen looked old as hell. I mean, Ellen usually looks pretty good, but last night...

[Superfreak]

So....are Tigh and Six gonna frack or what?

Seriously though, did anyone notice that, when compared to Six, Ellen looked old as hell. I mean, Ellen usually looks pretty good, but last night...

yeah, she was smokin when put into the six makeup

last night was a total trip, one crazy battlestar acid trip. It was good none the less. Mike Hogan is going to be set for life after this show is all done. Last night he was superb. His transformation over time has been brilliant. Currently, and maybe since the beginning of season 3, he has really been the star of the show, as far as his craft is concerned.

[EdRyder]

I had a thought about Galen and Saul's hallucinations.Could it be that aspect of being a cylon where you see what you want to see?Remember, the six showed Baltar that when she walks the corridors of the basestar she sees a forest.Galen didnt want anyone to pity him,so he sees Adama sitting next to him sticking it to him with "She couldn't live with being married to a skin job and having a half breed baby" And Saul still cant live with what he did to Ellen, so he looks at six and sees his wife answering him.

[phoenixflight]

Really love this show!!! I am really loving the development of the Final Four, Tory the most.

In terms of Baltar's religious sect...I thought (for some reason) it was only women, however, they made a point of showing this one particular guy (goatee and long hair).

[Manic]

You know, I can't believe I've never posted in this thread before. Anyway, I got a bunch of stuff I've got to say. I apologize if it's all been covered before, but this is my first time venturing into this thread.

I've been catching up with this season through www.Hulu.com (it's a legal link, mods). Is it just me, or when Six sparked the Cylon Civil War by giving the Centurions control of themselves... did she actually say she removed their "phallic inhibitors"? Really? "Phallic"? She gave the Centurions back their junk?

Did I miss a beat, or are both Athena-Sharon and Helo with Starbuck on her Earth-finding mission? Because you'd think upon finding out they were Cylons, the semi-final 4 would confront the one Cylon they could trust. Especially considering Tyrol has the second-born halfbreed child.

I think Laura Roslin is the final Cylon.

I firmly believe the Final 5 weren't designed to kill off the human race. By spending more time as humans without any sleeper commands or connections to the other Cylons, they basically understand humanity better than any other Cylon. In the end, they might just be the brokers of peace. If they don't kill themselves first.

[ariellem]

well, in the end, I suspect that we'll be left with one copy of each of our 12 cylons, allied with galactica vs. the unleashed mechanical cylons

That would be a neat way to end it - the Twelve would essentially then be humans, though a little different on the inside.

...I feel sorry for what Chief's going thru...has free will and support but turned down Adama and the others offer to help and said some nasty (albeit true, she was no angel, tried to kill her own kid) things. He is lashing out at ppl that don't deserve it and are trying to help, and is wallowing in self pity.

Quite true. I feel bad for Cally but never liked her much, mostly because I find the actress annoying and whiny.


Baltar and Lee's story intersecting is interesting. However I'm once again wondering if that six really just a figment of his imagination? When it panned from him being picked up with six to her not being there, his clothes still looked physically moved, and he was in a position his legs probably shouldn't have been able to support.
[Baltar's Six is] not only real, she's quite supernatural(spiritual). She appears to be exactly what she told him she was(way back in season 1)... an angel from God.

I definitely saw - from the guard's POV - Baltar propped up at an odd angle that he wouldn't be able to maintain on his own. AFAIK, nobody near them has ever FELT Six's physical presence (as in brushing up against her) but they've looked in her direction a number of times. I'm not one for the angel theory myself, but it does seem as though Six becomes more corporeal the more Baltar believes in her.

So....are Tigh and Six gonna frack or what?... Seriously though, did anyone notice that, when compared to Six, Ellen looked old as hell. I mean, Ellen usually looks pretty good, but last night...

Probably (whose spine would light up? They didn't show that with Tory; missed their chance). I thought Ellen looked good in the Six 'do' but did definitely look a lot older than Six, who looked extra young there.

I had a thought about Galen and Saul's hallucinations.Could it be that aspect of being a cylon where you see what you want to see?Remember, the six showed Baltar that when she walks the corridors of the basestar she sees a forest.Galen didnt want anyone to pity him,so he sees Adama sitting next to him sticking it to him with "She couldn't live with being married to a skin job and having a half breed baby" And Saul still cant live with what he did to Ellen, so he looks at six and sees his wife answering him.

Could very well be. I'd forgotten Six's comment to that effect. I wonder how the other Cylon models see their basestars and whether that's why the walls are unadorned. My interpretation of Tigh/Six was that it was Tigh, guilty, hoping Ellen was a Cylon so he could see her in person again, ask for her forgiveness, and receive it.

In terms of Baltar's religious sect...I thought (for some reason) it was only women, however, they made a point of showing this one particular guy (goatee and long hair).

Yeah, I do wonder what that one-and-only other guy's role is. Baltar's second, for when he has worn himself out? The hairstylist? Someone hiding from someone on another ship?

Is it just me, or when Six sparked the Cylon Civil War by giving the Centurions control of themselves... did she actually say she removed their "phallic inhibitors"? Really? "Phallic"? She gave the Centurions back their junk?

I don't remember what she said, but if it sounded like "phallic" it was probably "fallic" - not sure that's a word, but if so then it would appear to refer to the word "fallacy" and I'd assume it was some sort of device that keeps the Centurions from lying.

[phoenixflight]

Really love this show!!! I am really loving the development of the Final Four, Tory the most.

In terms of Baltar's religious sect...I thought (for some reason) it was only women, however, they made a point of showing this one particular guy (goatee and long hair).

Found some info...

The Cult of Baltar are a group of Colonials within the Fleet who believe Gaius Baltar to be a messianic figure for the "one true God".

This cult, which began sometime after Gaius Baltar's capture by the Colonials and likely as a result of both Baltar's book and legal proceedings, contains a majority of nubile, white-toned, well-proportioned young women, with a smattering of male supporters, also white-toned and athletic. Members of this cult use an abandoned dry storage compartment on Galactica as their commune, where they have erected a shrine with a large, string-lighted star and a photo of Baltar taken during his position as president of the Twelve Colonies.

Baltar's initial reaction to this cult is one of fear and loathing; he initially desires to leave, finding himself willing to be despised and hated by his fellow men than being stuck in the commune, which he likens to a "looney bin". However, he soon finds himself convinced by Virtual Six to embrace his new role as the cult's leader, particularly when Jeanne's deathly-ill young boy, Derrick, miraculously and completely recovers from his viral encephalitis.

Here are four others...
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5313/menyx5.jpg

[phoenixflight]

Is it just me, or when Six sparked the Cylon Civil War by giving the Centurions control of themselves... did she actually say she removed their "phallic inhibitors"? Really? "Phallic"? She gave the Centurions back their junk?

Close...
Centurions are sentient by design, however, a device called a telencephalic inhibitor restricts their higher cognitive functions and prevents them from exercising full self-awareness.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1764/insh9.jpg

[Manic]

Close...
Centurions are sentient by design, however, a device called a telencephalic inhibitor restricts their higher cognitive functions and prevents them from exercising full self-awareness.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1764/insh9.jpg
Ah. Thanks. It sounds a lot less weird now.

What is up with every other copy of the Six model having different colored hair, by the way? It's like she's the only Cylon that has a different look from person to person.

[TheCorpulent1]

Found some info...

The Cult of Baltar are a group of Colonials within the Fleet who believe Gaius Baltar to be a messianic figure for the "one true God".

This cult, which began sometime after Gaius Baltar's capture by the Colonials and likely as a result of both Baltar's book and legal proceedings, contains a majority of nubile, white-toned, well-proportioned young women, with a smattering of male supporters, also white-toned and athletic. Members of this cult use an abandoned dry storage compartment on Galactica as their commune, where they have erected a shrine with a large, string-lighted star and a photo of Baltar taken during his position as president of the Twelve Colonies.

Baltar's initial reaction to this cult is one of fear and loathing; he initially desires to leave, finding himself willing to be despised and hated by his fellow men than being stuck in the commune, which he likens to a "looney bin". However, he soon finds himself convinced by Virtual Six to embrace his new role as the cult's leader, particularly when Jeanne's deathly-ill young boy, Derrick, miraculously and completely recovers from his viral encephalitis.

Here are four others...
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5313/menyx5.jpg
Yeah, Baltar's probably the luckiest messiah ever. His cult is, like, 99% hot chicks, and he gets to bang yet another Cylon vixen.

[phoenixflight]

Baltar has had 3 of the four revealed Cylons...all he needs is a Number Eight (Sharon).

With Anders off on the mission to find Earth with Starbuck's ragtag crew, I feel he may reveal himself to Athena or make a slip somehow. He's missing all those special cylon bonding moments with the other three.

By the way, all of the Final Four has a 'T' as a beginning of some part of their name. Samuel T Anders, Tori Foster, Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol. Still think the Final Cylon is Tom Zarek (the 'T' theory only helps strengthen my thoughts).

[TheCorpulent1]

I noticed all the T's as well. Kind of weird. I don't know if it necessarily means anything, though. Most of the characters were introduced in the first or second seasons, and I thought Ron Moore said he hadn't made up his mind on who exactly the final five would be until later.

[Sawyer]

If the T's are in fact an indicator, then it can be Tom Zarek or Kara Thrace. However, we dont know the middle names of Roslin, Adama, Helo, Lee, and many others. So, basically, I call bull**** on the whole T thing.

[TheCorpulent1]

Karl Agathon. But that wouldn't really make sense, since the Cylons were all after Hera for being a hybrid.

[ariellem]

They *assumed* she was a hybrid. What if she was really the first Cylon child?

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh, I guess. They're still not aware that Tyrol's kid is a hybrid too...

[Manic]

I wonder, if Cally hadn't die, could her blood have been used to put Roslin's cancer in remission?

[TheCorpulent1]

Why would Callie's blood have worked? It's her son who's the hybrid.

[phoenixflight]

Whether it's Hera or Nicholas, I don't think any Hybrids blood is going to save Roslin. I could see the show ending with her death as part of the series finale.

[ariellem]

All this talk of there being a pattern among the remaining Cylons, and whether they all have a "t" in their names, made me think perhaps they all have "Earth" spelled out in their names. Doesn't seem that way, alas, although Kara's easily does.

[Superfreak]

I had a thought about Galen and Saul's hallucinations.Could it be that aspect of being a cylon where you see what you want to see?Remember, the six showed Baltar that when she walks the corridors of the basestar she sees a forest.Galen didnt want anyone to pity him,so he sees Adama sitting next to him sticking it to him with "She couldn't live with being married to a skin job and having a half breed baby" And Saul still cant live with what he did to Ellen, so he looks at six and sees his wife answering him.


Cylons project the world they want to see around them: I too was thinking about this aspect. but it's difficult to wrap ones brain around... but I'm sure it ties in with Tigh's 'hallucination'


but what of Caprica's 'brain Baltar'? is he an 'angel' aswell?

[Superfreak]

Whether it's Hera or Nicholas, I don't think any Hybrids blood is going to save Roslin. I could see the show ending with her death as part of the series finale.

she has to die, before they get to earth, according to the prophecy. But at this point in the series... I don't know if Roselin is actually the fabelled leader. I think Lee might displace her as the leader in the prophecy, resulting in his death before arrival at earth,,, or something along those lines.

[Manic]

she has to die, before they get to earth, according to the prophecy. But at this point in the series... I don't know if Roselin is actually the fabelled leader. I think Lee might displace her as the leader in the prophecy, resulting in his death before arrival at earth,,, or something along those lines.
The prophecy said "matriarch."

[EdRyder]

I just caught this at trektoday- Nana Visitor(Major Kira from DS9) has a role on an upcoming episode

Visitor will have a role in an upcoming episode of Battlestar Galactica where she will play a character dying of cancer. "What a pleasure that was," said Visitor. "Well, fun no, because I'm dying and losing my hair, oh boy, talk about looking bad, top to bottom, it's a classy well done show where the writing matters and mythology matters and it's just gritty and wonderful, I was so impressed." Visitor said that her character was not an alien. "I am very, very human," she explained. "But I do give a glimpse of the other side once you die."

[Manic]

She had to explain that her character isn't an alien? The only alien life shown on this show has been vegetation.

[TheCorpulent1]

she has to die, before they get to earth, according to the prophecy. But at this point in the series... I don't know if Roselin is actually the fabelled leader. I think Lee might displace her as the leader in the prophecy, resulting in his death before arrival at earth,,, or something along those lines.
The prophecy said "matriarch."
What if it's Kara? She's gotten caught up in the prophecies before by finding Apollo's arrow, and now she's got her own ideas on how to lead the human race to Earth. She's kind of a matriarch in that she binds a lot of people to each other; she helped reconcile Lee and daddy Adama, she's ****ed Baltar, she's married to a Cylon, etc.

[fifthfiend]

Just throwing this out there but does anyone else find the Ellen-as-Six bits totally unsettling?

I don't know why but that **** just creeps me out.

[BlackLantern]

I love how Chief admitted that he settled for Callie.....its ok Chief...nobody liked her anyway

[Sawyer]

I love how Chief admitted that he settled for Callie.....its ok Chief...nobody liked her anyway

Lulz. I'm just glad that he brought up Boomer. He hasnt made mention of her since early second season...

I'll bet that, if the twelve reunite, Boomer and Tyrol will fall back in love. Or something less cheesy, I dunno...

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be kind of gross given that Boomer's a total douche now.
I love how Chief admitted that he settled for Callie.....its ok Chief...nobody liked her anyway
I liked her. :(
Just throwing this out there but does anyone else find the Ellen-as-Six bits totally unsettling?

I don't know why but that **** just creeps me out.
Me, too. I don't know why. I think it's Six's hair. That is not the right hair for Ellen's face.

[Sawyer]

I liked her. :(

I didnt hate her, but I found her pointless. Her death was her most meaningful moment...

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh.

Meanwhile, I was totally hoping Tyrol would take a swing at Adama.

[Superfreak]

That would be kind of gross given that Boomer's a total douche now.

I liked her. :(

Me, too. I don't know why. I think it's Six's hair. That is not the right hair for Ellen's face.

it's the wrinkles... you're expecting helfer perfection,,, but it's not there

[fifthfiend]

it's the wrinkles... you're expecting helfer perfection,,, but it's not there

I actually thought this but then I was like well naw because if he was talking to Six and then Ellen appeared as well, Ellen, I really don't think that would **** with me so bad. But when she turns up all of a sudden wearing Six's hair it just creeps me the Goddamn out.

[ariellem]

Maybe Six does for Tigh what Ellen did when he first met his wife-to-be, and poor Tigh is trying in his own rough way to deal with his crush.

[Manic]

What if it's Kara? She's gotten caught up in the prophecies before by finding Apollo's arrow, and now she's got her own ideas on how to lead the human race to Earth. She's kind of a matriarch in that she binds a lot of people to each other; she helped reconcile Lee and daddy Adama, she's ****ed Baltar, she's married to a Cylon, etc.
Well, Kara has been dead before, and she's a female leader. That kinda fits the "dieing matriarch" profile. Sorta.
Just throwing this out there but does anyone else find the Ellen-as-Six bits totally unsettling?

I don't know why but that **** just creeps me out.
it's the wrinkles... you're expecting helfer perfection,,, but it's not there
For real. Every time Ellen's face showed up in Six's clothing and hair, I jumped back a little. Ellen wasn't even an ugly woman, but that's just jarring. It's like that scene in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" where Eddie sees a redheaded woman in a sparkling red cocktail dress and thinks it's Jessica Rabbit, but when she turns around, it's this maniacal man-crazy b**** who chases after him down the street. It's just not right.

I love how Chief admitted that he settled for Callie.....its ok Chief...nobody liked her anyway
I kinda sorta liked Callie. Well, before she shot Sharon, anyway.
It was always pretty obvious that he settled for her, though. Callie was always just another background mechanic character, and the Chief paid even less attention to her than we (the viewers) did. Then after Boomer died, Callie admitted to the Chief that she had a crush on him, and you could sorta see him think to himself "yeah, why not?"

[LexCorp]

I do not think I will miss Cally that much

[Superfreak]

I don't know what going on this season, but they better be saving up budget for some HUGE EPISODES, because I'm totally not enthusiastic about this season: To sum it up in one word=BORING

I mean it's interesting to see these new cylons take root... but enough is enough, three episodes in a row. And now Starbucks nonsense isn't so interesting either. Just seems like the last two episodes, could have been achieved in one or less episodes,,, and it feels like they are dragging this out.

just get on with some F-ING plot. Character development is good, but when nothing else is happening on the show = Boring. There must be a balance, and right now, I feel like there is none. All we are getting right now is Character development, with no forward moving plot.



last thingy: Called it, Leoben shows up to offer an Alliance between human model cylons and humanity (it'll move in that direction eventually)

[The Apocalypse]

I understand. It's like they're running all these eps, trying to redo all the characters. IE: Baltar, Kara, Lee. it's getting no where though.

[Sawyer]

You know what I didnt like about last night? No Sixes... :(

[888]

I wonder if "phantom" six will appear less and less because baltar has basically accepted his destiny.

[TheCorpulent1]

Everyone on this show seems to be descending into various levels of insanity and/or epiphany (which plays out essentially the same as insanity in most cases)...