The Battlestar Galactica and Caprica Discussion Thread

[Mikelus]

Regarding the "extinction" issue, you can't force people to have sex like animals just because you're afraid of death, nothing last forever, if humanity has to disappear so be it. Forcing citizens to do something against their will is unacceptable and very dangerous, each person should be responsible of its actions, not fraking politicians.

Episode 4.09 was great, nice ending with Adama and Roslin, I loved "the joke" by D'Anna, she's such a character, glad to see Lucy back, and next week should hit it out of the park.

[Superfreak]

Regarding the "extinction" issue, you can't force people to have sex like animals just because you're afraid of death, nothing last forever, if humanity has to disappear so be it. Forcing citizens to do something against their will is unacceptable and very dangerous, each person should be responsible of its actions, not fraking politicians.

Episode 4.09 was great, nice ending with Adama and Roslin, I loved "the joke" by D'Anna, she's such a character, glad to see Lucy back, and next week should hit it out of the park.

of course not, forced sex is probably not going to happen. But there would definately be incentive to not use birthcontrol or abortion, and try and encourage positive population growth.

[Manic]

I think you're all ignoring one very important factor. The human race is surviving off of algae and melted ice from comets. Hell, I'm pretty sure they're somehow distilling the same algae into alcohol. Everyone wears the same 2 or 3 outfits everyday. They're running on limited supplies.

I'm sure the condoms ran out over a year ago.

[The Apocalypse]

Ok, theory time...:hehe:

I always wondered how come there are 12 Cylon models instead of 13. I told myself, welllll maybe they thought 13 was an unlucky number. But see, there were 13 Colonies and 13 Lords of Kobol. There has never been a connection between those two and the Cylon models. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. So we know there are 12 'main' Cylons (well Simon isn't really main but you get it) but what about number 13? Back in Season Two (Home Part 2) 6 tells Baltar that there child will be born in the holding cell. Well the baby was born, but Hera is only half and half. (Apparently, Hera has been called "13" in a deleted scene) I think that the baby she was referring to was Her and Tigh's child. This child would be 100% Cylon and by the time the season is over this child may be the important child and not Hera.

I'm probably wrong and there a lot of hype around Hera and how 'important' she is. So my theory might not make sense because of that. But that has been on my mind for a few weeks and I thought I should get that off my chest hehe.

About this weeks ep. I really like it and was a much better improvement from last weeks ep and after 3 in a half season it looks like they finally defeated the Cylons. After watching the preview for next week it looks like they reach earth, but when I paused it at 22 seconds in you see raptors hovering over earth but it looks like a giant hurricane cloud is covering most of it. Then you have the scene with Roslin and D'Anna standing on earth but their facial expressions looked depressed. Who knows what happens but I can't wait!

[Sawyer]

I liked the "I love you" Roslin gave Adama. Very often I cant stand romantic relationships on television, its just too much "will they or wont they" BS, but I really like those two together.

[Manic]

I think it's helped that Roslin and Adama were professionally prevented from entering a relationship in the first place, and that McDonnell and Olmos are two unbelievably classy actors. Those two actors managed to pull off one of the few relationships on this show that hasn't annoyed me at some point.

[Sawyer]

Some video blogs from the set...
http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=255030
http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=255030#videoid=187972

The first one was pretty funny. Especially Lucy Lawless' comment about the budget for BSG being better than Xena.

The second one was also good, if only for the fact that the look on Tahmoh Penikett's face just screamed "WTF are these people doing here?"

[Bastila]

Ok without reading anything and I just want a yes or no ....

Did this episode just gone tell us who the 5th one is? I wont know till Tuesday :p when its on TV.

[Dr Lee]

A funny no.

[Bastila]

ohhhh really..............looks like we will never know lol.

Thanks Lee :)

[Eklypze]

so what happened this week? i missed it friday nite and tonite do any repeats come on any other time of the week?

[amazingfantasy15]

Adama's "about time" might have just surpassed Han Solo's "I know" for the badass award to answering a woman's statement of "I love you"

[Manic]

Adama's "about time" might have just surpassed Han Solo's "I know" for the badass award to answering a woman's statement of "I love you"
lol, you might be right

[Pink Ranger]

Adama's "about time" might have just surpassed Han Solo's "I know" for the badass award to answering a woman's statement of "I love you"

By the way, neither of those comebacks works very well in real life. :(

[amazingfantasy15]

By the way, neither of those comebacks works very well in real life. :(

If they were said by someone in real life as bad@$$ as Han Solo or Adama they would. It's just that all too often it's a douchebag with a fauxhawk saying it, which then yeah it won't work.

[Pink Ranger]

If they were said by someone in real life as bad@$$ as Han Solo or Adama they would. It's just that all too often it's a douchebag with a fauxhawk saying it, which then yeah it won't work.

What, fauxhawks aren't bad@$$!?! :p

[Eklypze]

so what happened this week? i missed it friday nite and tonite do any repeats come on any other time of the week?

can someone help me out? did we get any answers or anything "BIG" happen?

[Pink Ranger]

For me, the biggest surprise was Baltar didn't try to bone the Hybrid. That's got to be a first for him.

[Manic]

It's the only female Cylon-thingy he hasn't humped yet, other than Hera. And thank god this show won't be on long enough to see her turn 18, because that's a line the I'd rather not see Baltar cross.

[Superfreak]

can someone help me out? did we get any answers or anything "BIG" happen?

google search the title, and download it: It was a relatively big episode, and to put a summary up here would scream spoilers. You have a computer, watch it yourself.

[Eklypze]

yea i have a computer but its a piece of **** lol the sound dont even work

[Pink Ranger]

It's the only female Cylon-thingy he hasn't humped yet, other than Hera. And thank god this show won't be on long enough to see her turn 18, because that's a line the I'd rather not see Baltar cross.

So now we know what Baltar's standards are. No children, and no legless bald women covered in slime.

[Superfreak]

So now we know what Baltar's standards are. No children, and no legless bald women covered in slime.

Baltar doesn't have standards: the only reason he didn't try a lay the hybrid was because she didn't pursue Baltar. Has anyone noticed that Baltar doesn't pursue his women... every one of them has come to him, and pretty much thrown themselves at him. He is literally a pussymagnet

[chosen1]

I liked the "I love you" Roslin gave Adama. Very often I cant stand romantic relationships on television, its just too much "will they or wont they" BS, but I really like those two together.


Thats because the " I love you's" today in most cases (nearly all) are just rubbish. Its all in the films (and shows) look that attracts audiences. (Transformers) where as when a scene that actually involves acting is introduced it just falls apart. Thats why I love galactica. Its deep and there are real actors that can play the part. But yeah I agree the I love u part was completely valid to the episodes story.



" .... there's never been a paper bag. " - - Colvin

[phoenixflight]

Adama's "about time" might have just surpassed Han Solo's "I know" for the badass award to answering a woman's statement of "I love you"

Best line ever...

[phoenixflight]

For me, the biggest surprise was Baltar didn't try to bone the Hybrid. That's got to be a first for him.

To my knowledge, he has not done an '8' either, but only time will tell. I think he will have both the Hybrid and the Sharons very soon!!!

[Sawyer]

To my knowledge, he has not done an '8' either, but only time will tell. I think he will have both the Hybrid and the Sharons very soon!!!

I know, what's up with that? The 8's would've been the first model I'd have gone after...

Although, I think he got a good sneak peek at the goods when he was on the baseship last season and he saw an 8 doing yoga/pilates naked.

[phoenixflight]

What the FRAK...
Was that NY??? Oh my Gods...Earth is a fraked up waste land!!!

[phoenixflight]

And is the 2nd part of Season 4 still rumored to preimere in 2009????

[Speedball]

God...that shot of the ships in space above Earth was beautiful and brought a tear to my eye.
And I kinda expected Earth to be a desolate wasteland...:(

[Evelisse]

What a great hour of television.

So the 5th cylon is Not in the fleet?

So where is she/he? Alone on earth?


Saul is so the man, way to step up.

[ariellem]

So now we know what Baltar's standards are. No children, and no legless bald women covered in slime.

Let's hope "no children" isn't something any of them try to change. That shouldn't need to be in there. As for the Hybrid - do we know for sure that she's legless? I'm thinking one of these days Baltar will lean over her tub and these gorgeous legs will come up and out of aforementioned slime, lock themselves around him, and break his neck...

Live by the sword, die by the sword, right?

Or could it be that Baltar hitting on the Hybrid (and getting her tuned in to him as a male) is the last step the Cylons need in their evolution?

[Superfreak]

Well, no statue of liberty, but the concept was the same. Atleast everybody was miserable together. Good ending, but I can't believe they're going to make us wait another 2/3 of a year.

And yeah, the ending was expected... but left a lot of serious questions: who/what fixed starbuck's ship? who/what brought starbuck to earth, and back? What is Bob Dylan telling the final 4?

Apollo, finally, a person in a position of power, that has the ability to look objectively at a situation, and come up with a solution that all parties can agree to.

[Lord Blackbolt]

I kinda wish that was the series finale. I mean how do you top that ending?

[TheComicbookKid]

double

[TheComicbookKid]

"Everything thing has happened before will happen again."

New theory, the final five went to Earth with the original thirteenth colony but ended up getting mad and destroying Earth(just like Caprica) and the fifth cylon was digusted by it(free thought like Boomer) and he/she wiped the other four minds and sent them back to Caprica.

Superfreak,

The fifth cylon fixed the ship since he/she knows how it fix it and wiped her mind just like with the other four.

[Fading]

Only thing that could have made that better was Adama falling to his knees and giving the "Damn dirty ape" speech :).

Atleast after all the speculation we know what happened once they reached Earth...they find out we blew it up in WW3 or something heh. It's funny tho....I think that's one of the more guessed theories. Considering how this series is built on suspensful shocks I expected something no one would have guessed. I'm not saying it's bad tho, sometimes the most simple path in a story is the best.

My question now is where does the conflict come from? We've heard rumors of not many ppl surviving the series, it's too close to the end to repeat the new Caprica concentration camp story. Somehow this truce inbetween the Cylons and Humans is broke, or a new enemy appears within the last 10 episodes.

Now tho I'm tossing my hat in the pool of ppl who think the 5th is dead, or someone unintroduced. D'Anna would have outed the 5th if he/she was in the fleet, no reason to hold back.

[Fading]

K, here's my theory based on current knowledge (this is like my millionth theory lol).

Ok, human's on Earth made cylons. An eventual war broke out Matrix style, and humans or cylons nuked the Earth. The crew of Galactica and the cylon's find proof of this war. The more devout (D'Anna, Starbuck's stalker, and Torrie) search for proof of this. They unearth the shreded remains of the Earth cylon army (or what's left of it) and find the 5th somehow alive. This new faction launches an attack on the combined forces of the Galactica fleet and the cylons who stay by their side.

[Speedball]

But we know the Humanoid Cylons were created by Greystone...
It's all gonna be explained in Caprica...

[TheComicbookKid]

I don't know. The series has always run on a motto of "I have seen the enemy and it is us" type thing. Civil War in the Cylons, Skinjobs nuke Caprica, BattleStar versus Colonial government.

I think the conflict for the final episodes will be who leads the New World. Skinjobs or humans?

[888]

It seems to me that they're setting up a war between the skinjobs, humans, and centurions/raiders for the final conflict.

[The Apocalypse]

Wow. The series should end there, even though I'd like to know what happened. Such a great fraking ending. Their faces were so depressed. I felt horrible for them.

[Manic]

Remember the "no body, no death" rule. Cavil is the only Cylon from the other faction that we saw die. Boomer ran away, and we didn't see Aaron Doral or Simon die.

[Sawyer]

OMG, this episode is by far the best episode of television I've seen in a while. That "Earth" by Roslin at the end really made it great.

[Neto Magnus]

This really was a great episode. It was kinda slow getting there early this season but like someone here just said, it coulda ended there. I really don't have the patience to wait another year for the rest. Damn writer's strike!


but on a sidenote, there's something I never got. Who is suppose to be the Cylon model #7? How could it be one of the final five, when they're supposed to be a lil different than the 7?

[Evelisse]

With her saying the 5th is not part of the the fleet, couldn't that mean they are not part of the military? A civilian, Docs a civilian doctor right? Oldest and first skin job?
....well then again..
D'eanna saw the faces of the five yet didnt seem very worried about getting the fifth safely on board the bay ship, knowing the fifth wasnt with the humans currently?............i just dont know

[Fading]

With her saying the 5th is not part of the the fleet, couldn't that mean they are not part of the military? A civilian, Docs a civilian doctor right?

D'eanna saw the faces of the five yet didnt seem very worried about getting the fifth safely on board the bay ship, knowing the fifth wasnt with the humans currently?............i just dont know

Well one thought is that the ppl who said the 5th is dead could be correct, or it's possible she didn't see the 5th's face. The only reason I say that tho is that there are a lot of humans, it would be odd for D'Anna to see the face and know for certain it's a person not in the fleet. In that case it'd just be someone she didn't know, and she'd try to search for the person.

I'm going to take a stab and say it's Admiral Cain. It's someone in a high position, and someone known well enough that the Cylons would recognize her. It would also explain the "I'm sorry" as it was someone killed by a fellow Cylon.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

. It would also explain the "I'm sorry" as it was someone killed by a fellow Cylon.

That could easily be about Tigh's torture and losing an eye.

[Superfreak]

"Everything thing has happened before will happen again."

Superfreak,

The fifth cylon fixed the ship since he/she knows how it fix it and wiped her mind just like with the other four.

that's absolute pure speculation, throw an IMO in there. I seem to remember a while back, that there were rumors that BSG was going in the trippy direction, with things like the ship of light.

but as for the age old battlestar quotation: "Everything has happened before, and will happen again". I think that's where the series left us last night. I think you are right CBK, but only too a point. I think one of the key lines of dialogue (one of many spoken by Apollo last night), was Apollo's reply to D'Anna's spouting of those words: "It doesn't have to be". Which leads me to believe that the last 'decade' of episodes will center on ending this philosophical cycle. Moreover, it now seems that all our characters, both Cylon and human alike, are now beginning to realize that their strings are being pulled, either by the 5th cylon(as you've speculated), or a higher power.



And in the end, I think the biggest unanswered question for me is Brother Cavill's threat about 'un neutering' the centurions.

[Superfreak]

Only thing that could have made that better was Adama falling to his knees and giving the "Damn dirty ape" speech :).

Atleast after all the speculation we know what happened once they reached Earth...they find out we blew it up in WW3 or something heh. It's funny tho....I think that's one of the more guessed theories. Considering how this series is built on suspensful shocks I expected something no one would have guessed. I'm not saying it's bad tho, sometimes the most simple path in a story is the best.

My question now is where does the conflict come from? We've heard rumors of not many ppl surviving the series, it's too close to the end to repeat the new Caprica concentration camp story. Somehow this truce inbetween the Cylons and Humans is broke, or a new enemy appears within the last 10 episodes.

Now tho I'm tossing my hat in the pool of ppl who think the 5th is dead, or someone unintroduced. D'Anna would have outed the 5th if he/she was in the fleet, no reason to hold back.

again, we may have destroyed the Hub, but the cylon civil war is far from over IMO. I think that by the end of the final 10, the opposing skin jobs will capitulate, and join the 'alliance'. And the final enemy will probably be the mechanical cylons, with free will.


oh yeah, the more I see of Torrie, the more I desire to throw her in the trash compactor and delete her.

[Mikelus]

What a fantastic, powerful ending! Conflict should be on its way, maybe another Cylons War...Sci Fi is crazy if they hold the rest of the season for 2009, they should continue it next fall.

[Superfreak]

and I'm getting this vibe, that cylon number 12 will be chosen from among the survivors, or should I say, survivor. I have this feeling that everyone will be killed, until there are 11 cylon models, and 1 human, who will become a 'new' cylon: or something kind of like that. Something along the lines that the depopulation of humanity was done in order to choose the 12th.

found this over at the TV.com forums:

We had a news and notes thread for Season 4, which used to be pinned to the top of the forum. Since Season 4.0 has already aired, that thread doesn't have much relevance anymore. However, with the lengthy hiatus planned in between the two halves of the season, it makes sense to have a new "news and notes" thread for Season 4.5.

A new set of webisodes to be available later in 2008

The Chicago Tribune reports that the Sci Fi Channel will produce a new set of webisodes and make them available during the mid-season hiatus. No word yet on the exact date of release.

Season 4.5 to start in the 1st Quarter of 2009

There have been quite a few developments this week. First off, the president of the Sci Fi Channel confirmed that the 2nd half of the season will begin airing in 2009. But it will be the 1st quarter of 2009, so we know the episodes will start to air in January, February or March.

The second half of the season may expand to 11 or 12 episodes

Ronald Moore is writing the script for the series finale himself. Apparently the script contains so much material that it will probably be necessary to expand the series finale to 2 or 3 episodes. Thus, the back half of the season may include as much as 12 episodes, not the 10 episodes previously announced.

Battlestar Galactica TV movies

It also looks like at least one of the rumored BSG TV movies will be made. No word yet on the other two movies that had been discussed on a few websites.

The Caprica prequel

The Caprica TV movie will air on the Sci Fi Channel later this year as a possible backdoor pilot. There are some concerns that the story is so dense that it might not work well as a stand-alone TV movie. However, if enough BSG fans and new viewers tune in -- and buy the DVD -- we could still see a weekly Caprica series at some point in the future.

I could deal with the wait if we got a couple more epis tacked on to the season, 12 or 13 episodes sounds better than 10. And I'm glad that Caprica was chopped down to a movie for consideration of serieshood. I'm not to enthusiastic about it... and am not really into being dragged around by sci fi for another 10 years to get 3 seasons worth of episodes

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I'm really uninterested in a Caprica series.

The half-season finale ruled. I hate Sci Fi even more for making me wait another year now.

[TheComicbookKid]

that's absolute pure speculation, throw an IMO in there. I seem to remember a while back, that there were rumors that BSG was going in the trippy direction, with things like the ship of light.

but as for the age old battlestar quotation: "Everything has happened before, and will happen again". I think that's where the series left us last night. I think you are right CBK, but only too a point. I think one of the key lines of dialogue (one of many spoken by Apollo last night), was Apollo's reply to D'Anna's spouting of those words: "It doesn't have to be". Which leads me to believe that the last 'decade' of episodes will center on ending this philosophical cycle. Moreover, it now seems that all our characters, both Cylon and human alike, are now beginning to realize that their strings are being pulled, either by the 5th cylon(as you've speculated), or a higher power.



And in the end, I think the biggest unanswered question for me is Brother Cavill's threat about 'un neutering' the centurions.

again, we may have destroyed the Hub, but the cylon civil war is far from over IMO. I think that by the end of the final 10, the opposing skin jobs will capitulate, and join the 'alliance'. And the final enemy will probably be the mechanical cylons, with free will.


oh yeah, the more I see of Torrie, the more I desire to throw her in the trash compactor and delete her.


Sorry, IMO.:woot:

Good point about the free-minded Centurions.

I more than ever think Billy is going to end up being the 12th.

Also, every part of the prophecy has come true except the fact that Rosalyn will discover the truth about the Opera House, which I guess is on Earth.

My brother and I were talking. Anyone else realize there are like six different versions of cylons?

1.Centurions
2.The Seven
3.The Five(they are slightly different, aging, etc.)
4.Hera(human, cylon)
5.Chief's kid(human,five)
6.Six's unborn(cylon, cylon)

[Sawyer]

Am I just looking at things too closely or did Hera have a really worried look on her face when Helo and Athena hugged after the ship found out that they got to Earth. Did she know something about Earth? Hmm...

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, she's somehow involved with the Final Five and the Final Five are connected to Earth, so it's possible.

[Dr Lee]

Aaah i wasn't seeing things in Hera's look at the end......I wonder why she had that look?

Damn good episode.. ****ing shame we've got to wait till next year to find out WTF is going on there...

Finally how sweet was the CGI as the fleet arrived over 'Earth'??

[888]

A couple of observations I noticed, mostly involving Baltar.

It seems as though Roslin has pretty much forgiven him for all his past transgressions. Which is good, I've enjoyed the dynamic between Roslin and Baltar and looking forward to where that relationship goes next. I wonder if she already has or will tell the rest of the fleet about about his involvement in the cylon genocide.

Also, I noticed on Earth Caprica Six rubbing her belly and rushing to Saul's side instead of Baltar's. Is it over between them, I doubt it. I wonder what her reaction will be to his newfound religious awakening. Actually, considering the massive disappointment Earth turned out to be, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole fleet became atheists.

[Sawyer]

I'd more like to see Baltar's reaction to Six being pregnant with Tigh's baby.

Anyway, I really like how it seems like a level playing field between everyone now. The cylons, humans, final four, Baltar. It's nice to see them all together on their desolate wasteland of a planet.

[Evelisse]

Has D'eanna pretty much given up interest in the hyrid baby/ies? that was so her thing before, why wouldnt she want the four cylons along with Hera? And will no interest be given towards Chiefs son?

[Manic]

I found it strange that nobody brought up the Chief's son.

[ariellem]

Hubby's take on the ending: those in the twelve colonies were the survivors OF the nuking of Earth. The road map was left so they could eventually go back and know their past so they won't repeat it.

My guess for next season: humans & Cylons have to decide whether to look for a place they can both live peacefully, whether to go their separate ways, or whether to destroy each other completely.

The suggestion that it will end up being (skin jobs + humans) VS. centurions sounds quite feasible.

[TheCorpulent1]

I found it strange that nobody brought up the Chief's son.
I've been wondering about that as well. There are now 2 Cylon/human hybrids, but nobody seems to care about Nicholas.

[Hobodeluxe]

Hubby's take on the ending: those in the twelve colonies were the survivors OF the nuking of Earth. The road map was left so they could eventually go back and know their past so they won't repeat it.


Well we know that the five are from the home of the thirteenth.

going back through the Hybrid's prophecies and Pythia's prophecies. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the one orchestrating all this is the Hybrid and the Hybrid is Pythia.
RDM said that the hybrid was skinjob model zero.

Did they cylonize her? Her prophecies fighting through the darkness to get to the light of truth? Is she the fifth? has her memory survived through time being passed on through regenerations? Does she have a sort of collective consciousness with the copies of herself throughout the galaxy? When she jumps does she see through time or into the afterlife? I think she was the one who was helping Laura find forgiveness.

[888]

I'm hoping the centurions build a new imperious leader.

[Sawyer]

I liked how Tigh referred to Lee as "Apollo" this episode. It seems like its been years since he's gone by that callsign.

PS: Tigh's a badass.

[phoenixflight]

Despite the revelation of all of the Significant Seven's model numbers in "Six of One", Ron D. Moore confirmed that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the Significant Seven...WTF?!?

So what's up with Model numbers 7, 9, 10, 11 and 12????

[Sawyer]

Despite the revelation of all of the Significant Seven's model numbers in "Six of One", Ron D. Moore confirmed that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the Significant Seven...WTF?!?

So...why do the numbers go 1-6 and then 8???

There has to be a 7 somewhere...

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

the final 5 have numbers just no one knows them.

[Darthphere]

Anyone else tear up towards the ending of this episode. This was powerful stuff, if Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell don't get Emmy nominations based on this episode alone, I will kill 11 puppies and withhold the identity of the final puppy.

[Sawyer]

Anyone else tear up towards the ending of this episode. This was powerful stuff, if Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell don't get Emmy nominations based on this episode alone, I will kill 11 puppies and withhold the identity of the final puppy.

lawl. I've watched and rewatched the last five minutes of this episode probably 20 times. Mary McDonnell was particularly great when she was told to give the order to jump, and she hesitates, saying "Been a long time comin'" I loved every minute.

[Fading]

So...why do the numbers go 1-6 and then 8???

There has to be a 7 somewhere...

Only reasoning I can think of is that 7 got boxed and there were originally 13 cylons. I doubt that the maker of the cylon skinjobs was just bad at math. If the final 5th cylon is #7 that would nullify the final 5 not having numbers. Plus IMO it seems that cylons get more human the higher their number is. Cavil is the coldest and number 1, then on the opposite side we have 6 who experienced love, and 8 who experienced love and had a child. If #'d in order of manufacturing that'd make Athena a newer model than 1 of the final 5.

It just ends up being a series of thoughts that take you in circles. Are the final 5 a result of trial and error of creating the other 7? If so then why have they been to Earth and the others havent's as you'd think the first models off the line would have been there rather than the later models. It's all just a big headache lol, I hope it's explained.

[Manic]

Within the continuity of the show, I can't think of a good reason.

Behind the scenes, I think it's pretty obvious that they had no intention of coming up with a secret "final 5" back when they named Sharon as an 8.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

what if they were all made at the same time but they are numbered in the order they were started up, and they just gave them numbers to tell them apart? and who says that they weren't sent to earth and brought back and thats why you have others being numbered and 5 not, they weren't there to get numbers.

[Superfreak]

Well we know that the five are from the home of the thirteenth.

going back through the Hybrid's prophecies and Pythia's prophecies. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the one orchestrating all this is the Hybrid and the Hybrid is Pythia.
RDM said that the hybrid was skinjob model zero.

Did they cylonize her? Her prophecies fighting through the darkness to get to the light of truth? Is she the fifth? has her memory survived through time being passed on through regenerations? Does she have a sort of collective consciousness with the copies of herself throughout the galaxy? When she jumps does she see through time or into the afterlife? I think she was the one who was helping Laura find forgiveness.

this is pretty much all wrong I think. 1)The hybrid from Razor was the first hybrid(the old man), from which all the other hybrids were created. 2) I think they've made it pretty clear that there are a number of characters that can hear or connect to a 'higher plain' via vision and music as described by Leoben before Starbuck's team found the baseship, those being the oracles, the baseship hybrids, Starbuck, Roslin, 6, Baltar, D'Anna (maybe), Leoben (maybe), and the 'almost final' 4.

[EdRyder]

Eh, I'm really uninterested in a Caprica series.



I think you're still thrown by the "Sci Fi Dallas" quote :woot:

[Angry Sentinel]

Has D'eanna pretty much given up interest in the hyrid baby/ies? that was so her thing before, why wouldnt she want the four cylons along with Hera? And will no interest be given towards Chiefs son? I thought D'eanna's obsession with the half bread revolved around three reasons:
1) She was given a vision of this childs life and therefore questioned the reported death of the child.
2) The child appeared to be linked to the final five and the way to Earth. Both of these situations are now known to D'eanna and would now be less of an issue.
3) It's the first child, so they believed, that a Cylon had actually carried to term. With Six now pregnant and Nicky walking around doing well, seems like there should be some interest, but no longer a big "wonderment", apparently the answers to the child bearing issues have been resolved.

[BlackLantern]

I just watched the last 4 episodes on my DVR and it was super fantastic....it was good to see the old man and Roslyn finally get their **** together.....old people love is adorable

[BlackLantern]

edit double post

[phoenixflight]

I think you're still thrown by the "Sci Fi Dallas" quote :woot:

So it won't be just like "Galactica", however "Dallas" was pure genius in it's hayday...it set the marker for all the other Prime Time Soap Operas. From what I've read, I am intrigued by the first 2 Cylon Humaniods...could be very well done.

[Bastila]

Thought I'd post my little bit about the final, it was cool I did laugh when they found Earth lol.


Now I always said Earth has got to be destroyed or a wasteland and I was like right!!
Their faces where like oh frak....I did kind of giggle a bit lol
But but but remeber in Razor Kara will kill the human race shes death etc

Well I think when she went to Earth it came true she killed Earth by going there she done that some how and killed the humans Earth ones that is.

Looking at Earth was amazing and then all those destroyed buildings etc
But I bet Kara done that some how.

I did like the final 4 coming out, Tory is a freak lol D'anna is cold she needs to learn to be nice lol.
Tigh and Bill had good scenes, and Bill losing it was interesting to see.

After seeing Earth im not borthered about finding out who the final 5th one is..........saw that little teaser for next season oh man I can't wait!!

So the final 5th could be on Earth and needs to be activated or is in a life/death situaction or something.............maybe just guessing or is it someone who died and came back

But still what is Kara? She has to be something else.

[Superfreak]

Thought I'd post my little bit about the final, it was cool I did laugh when they found Earth lol.


Now I always said Earth has got to be destroyed or a wasteland and I was like right!!
Their faces where like oh frak....I did kind of giggle a bit lol
But but but remeber in Razor Kara will kill the human race shes death etc

Well I think when she went to Earth it came true she killed Earth by going there she done that some how and killed the humans Earth ones that is.

Looking at Earth was amazing and then all those destroyed buildings etc
But I bet Kara done that some how.

I did like the final 4 coming out, Tory is a freak lol D'anna is cold she needs to learn to be nice lol.
Tigh and Bill had good scenes, and Bill losing it was interesting to see.

After seeing Earth im not borthered about finding out who the final 5th one is..........saw that little teaser for next season oh man I can't wait!!

So the final 5th could be on Earth and needs to be activated or is in a life/death situaction or something.............maybe just guessing or is it someone who died and came back

But still what is Kara? She has to be something else.

I like your idea about Kara destroying earth. That would be really interesting

[Bastila]

Yep I thought it would work since what the hybrid said and her going to Earth and not remebering

So if she bumped into people there, they might be like the blonde killed us all! lol.

[ttotheusher]

For the first two seasons, I had it down that Earth would turn out to be the Cylon homeplanet. And then in the third season its revealed that they were searching for it too. Damn.

[BlackLantern]

How would one person with one Viper wipe out a planet? that makes no sense....and D'anna need to learn to be nice?? what the frak....she is a Cylon.....

[Bastila]

Well we don't know and Kara doesn't remeber anything about Earth only flying her viper, she might have landed there or shot something who knows really.

D'anna wont ever be nice lol Plus I like her being mean lol

[Superfreak]

How would one person with one Viper wipe out a planet? that makes no sense....and D'anna need to learn to be nice?? what the frak....she is a Cylon.....

who knows, maybe she started something bad just by showing up

[Bastila]

^
Yep true no one knows, its just a wild guess really.............

[Sawyer]

I'm just curious as to where the frak the final four go from here. I'm sure everyone hates them. Everyone thought Tigh was an ******* before, but now he's a cylon. And I'm sure people are going to suspect Tyrol in Callys death, I want to see what happens when everyone finds out it was Tory. And I want to see how the Tory/Roslin relationship will be from here on out, I mean she basically turned her back on Roslin and humanity...

Maybe Roslin and/or Tyrol will go all badass on us and put a bullet between her eyes.

[Bastila]

True as rember the crew would want to kill them, its like there a Cylon *shots them* How will they walk round without people saying things or maybe hurting them, not like they can keep it quite.

[BlackLantern]

maybe Lee or Roslyn will make a statement about how some of the Cylons want a peace with the humans...

[Superfreak]

well, things are dramatically different now for all the cylons, with the Hub destroyed. We know that the Corum (?) supports the alliance. As for the main characters, we know that Lee no longer really gives a frack who is, or is not a cylon. A lesson he learned when Kara was suspected of being a cylon, exemplified in his ability to negotiate a way out for both parties. Now Adama senior, Roslin and Starbuck now all have to face the same issue, only for real.

I think the 4 will be alright, as far as the rest of the fleet go. But there will obviously be a lashback episode.


I'm beginning to lean back toward Dee being #5. It fits, now that Apollo is in the ultimate position of power (if he's still president)

And lastly, does anyone think that maybe the reason earth is all mucked up is because 'the leader' is not dead yet? And that the prophecy is not yet complete

[Bastila]

Super I like your idea about Earth being well messed up as the leader is not dead, good point forgot about that.

[Superfreak]

Super I like your idea about Earth being well messed up as the leader is not dead, good point forgot about that.

also, maybe it has something to do with Roslin giving up the Kamala treament, and going for real cancer treatment(which wasn't really stated, but it's implied). Was the experience she had on the baseship a vision? or just an interesting way to look at her subconcious? Perhaps the interference in her visions caused by 1) the cylon cure 2)the exposure of use of Kamala in the court case, has also affected the prophecy.

well it goes without saying now, that there is a third party involved in the story, be it 'god', the gods of kobol, or the last cylon, something is pulling strings to help our people fulfill said prophecy. So what are you thoughts on who this puppet master is?

maybe though, this explains why Galactica ends up arriving in 1980... maybe they travel back in time. (that would be a very vague joke based on what happened in the original series)

[Superfreak]

K5WPM_obGic

It’s been stated from very early on this season that a scene had been filmed where Kara finds her crashed original Viper along with her dead body. She burns the body

now that would be an awesome mind bender

[Fading]

K5WPM_obGic

It’s been stated from very early on this season that a scene had been filmed where Kara finds her crashed original Viper along with her dead body. She burns the body

now that would be an awesome mind bender

I can see that, I mean it looks like a metal strutcture that she's burning.

Also another note, Adama crying over the body...doesn't look much like a feminine one. I could be wrong and not trying ot sound perverted, but the chest looks more masculine than like breasts. Plus he puts his forhead to it rather than kiss the forehead like he would if it was Roslin. I'm going to take a leap here and say that's Lee and he's the leader who dies. Under Lee's leadership they averted a fight that would have possibly annihilated the human's, and it was under his leadership that Starbuck found Earth. BSG is notorious for misleading, and they've pushed it in our faces that Roslin was the dying leader since day 1.

[Superfreak]

I can see that, I mean it looks like a metal strutcture that she's burning.

Also another note, Adama crying over the body...doesn't look much like a feminine one. I could be wrong and not trying ot sound perverted, but the chest looks more masculine than like breasts. Plus he puts his forhead to it rather than kiss the forehead like he would if it was Roslin. I'm going to take a leap here and say that's Lee and he's the leader who dies. Under Lee's leadership they averted a fight that would have possibly annihilated the human's, and it was under his leadership that Starbuck found Earth. BSG is notorious for misleading, and they've pushed it in our faces that Roslin was the dying leader since day 1.

just the idea of that sounds awesome. And could tie in well with what Roslin and him were discussing just before Adama Sr. came back and told them to stop flapping their lips. She told Apollo that he wasn't off the hook...

although, I could see Tigh sacrificing himself as some sort of redemption (redemption for a lot of things)

[Fading]

Another thought too Obviously you can hear the geiger counter go off the charts when they test the soil, so nukes. Maybe the "all happened before and will again" line refers to humanity nuking/destroying itself, survivors branch off to form colonies, colonies in trouble from waring find their way back trying to surivie, recolonize Earth and then eventually hit the point where they start destroying eachother again.

A Hollywood way of pushing an antiwar and nuke idea. That as long as we carry weapons that can destroy eachother we'll use them. Not counting that the structure they were standing under at the end of the mid season looked more like the structures they found on that one planet even if the cities in the background looked more modern.

[Fading]

just the idea of that sounds awesome. And could tie in well with what Roslin and him were discussing just before Adama Sr. came back and told them to stop flapping their lips. She told Apollo that he wasn't off the hook...

although, I could see Tigh sacrificing himself as some sort of redemption (redemption for a lot of things)

I can see that too We see Tigh pointing a gun on what looks like either Adama or Baltar, and he looked pissed. Maybe Tigh finds out about Baltar's role on Caprica, or finds out the 5th and is killed for it. Tho at the same time I see Tigh's death leading to Adama hitting the bottle and breaking mirrors ending with him saluting Tigh being buried.

One twist I'd like tho fits in with what you said above. They find Starbuck's original body, Starbuck finds the ship and burns it. Meanwhile while she's out doing that they all think she's dead and we see Adama mourning her. Then she strolls in alive.

[Manic]

I can see that, I mean it looks like a metal strutcture that she's burning.

Also another note, Adama crying over the body...doesn't look much like a feminine one. I could be wrong and not trying ot sound perverted, but the chest looks more masculine than like breasts. Plus he puts his forhead to it rather than kiss the forehead like he would if it was Roslin. I'm going to take a leap here and say that's Lee and he's the leader who dies. Under Lee's leadership they averted a fight that would have possibly annihilated the human's, and it was under his leadership that Starbuck found Earth. BSG is notorious for misleading, and they've pushed it in our faces that Roslin was the dying leader since day 1.
It can't be Lee who's the dying leader. The prophecy said "dying matriarch."

[Superfreak]

It can't be Lee who's the dying leader. The prophecy said "dying matriarch."

good catch.

another idea I was toying with was what if the prophecy is not about humanity, but actually about the cylons. They're pretty much on the same journey, and their leader was killed by Athena. Just thought I might throw that out there.

[Bastila]

It’s been stated from very early on this season that a scene had been filmed where Kara finds her crashed original Viper along with her dead body. She burns the body


:wow::wow::wow::wow:

Ok its thats true I love it!! As you can see....that would be so cool and shocking and like what the frak!!!

[Sawyer]

It’s been stated from very early on this season that a scene had been filmed where Kara finds her crashed original Viper along with her dead body. She burns the body

now that would be an awesome mind bender

I would crap a brick, if that turns out to be true.

[Manic]

It's so obvious, though. Kara as a Cylon? After coming back from the dead, making her a Cylon is too easy an explanation.

[Fading]

I will say tho that a big part of the reason I like that theory is it would be giving a nod to Gary Sinise in Imposter. That moment near the end still is awesome.

[Superfreak]

It's so obvious, though. Kara as a Cylon? After coming back from the dead, making her a Cylon is too easy an explanation.

I know right, but at the same time, was it not obvious that the chief was a cylon, when you look back at it. The answer to who the final cylon is doesn't really have to do with who it is, but how the revelation is carried out, as well as the dominos that fall in it's wake.


ps. I just did a quick google search and found that bit of spoiler, so it might not be legit. But I think it's a spoiler comment as part of a review of the preview

[Manic]

Actually, the Chief caught me off guard. Were there hints leading up to his reveal?

[Sawyer]

None. THe writers pretty much confirmed that they just wrote names on a board and picked out which would work out well. They hadnt been planning it for a long time.

[Manic]

I thought so.

If they reveal Kara to be a Cylon, she'll be the only obvious choice. The same goes for Roslin.

[Superfreak]

Actually, the Chief caught me off guard. Were there hints leading up to his reveal?

Oh, I'm sorry, didn't the chief just happen to wander off into the wilderness on some random planet, and find the temple. Looking back, it's actually quite obvious that the chief was a cylon

[Superfreak]

thinking about Kara as a cylon; didn't she look directly into scar's eye? I can't remember, but that might affect her being a cylon or not. But also, that the signal that was coming from earth, is coming from Kara's original viper... so I dunno

and, I found this on Bear Mccreary's blog, if you like the music in BSG, his blog is brilliant, gives a play by play of his process behind the scoring of each episode as it comes out... but I found this:

"(An unforeseen result of my long struggle writing the “Oratorio” [the arrival at earth celebration music] was that it ended up having a powerful impact on the second half of the season. It is the first time that my process of composing has affected the series. I hate to be so vague, but I can’t go into further detail until you guys see the episode I’m referring to. It is a story for a future entry.)"

I don't know what it means, I do however adore the BSG score(s), each is brilliant, magnified by the fact that this is a score for television. And am glad that the music is somehow determining what direction the show may go.

It's what I love about the show, that it feels like a real production, with a bunch of legit artists, really working together to deliver something truely fantastic.

[ROOR]

Love the music from BSG. Actually I listen to it a lot around the house as background music. That is a very interesting little tidbit from his blog. I was very excited to see that he would be at the 30th Anniversay BSG panel for Comic-con. His presence alone is making that a must attend panel for me. I wonder if he'll field any questions about that remark.

[Sawyer]

Love the music from BSG. Actually I listen to it a lot around the house as background music. That is a very interesting little tidbit from his blog. I was very excited to see that he would be at the 30th Anniversay BSG panel for Comic-con. His presence alone is making that a must attend panel for me. I wonder if he'll field any questions about that remark.

Oh, yeah. BSG's music, along with Lost's is among the best television score ever. For example...
4EQXEIoZrZE

[Superfreak]

Oh, yeah. BSG's music, along with Lost's is among the best television score ever. For example...
4EQXEIoZrZE

Lost's score is alright,,, but it doesn't hold a candle here IMO, it lacks the depth of the BSG score (which honestly feels like a score for a movie, not TV, just in a 63 hour long movie)

[The Apocalypse]

When can we expect those Webisodes?

[Superfreak]

I wouldn't know, I get ****ed because I'm Canada... where sci fi webisodes are apparently not allowed... or something

[TheCorpulent1]

Lost's score is alright,,, but it doesn't hold a candle here IMO, it lacks the depth of the BSG score (which honestly feels like a score for a movie, not TV, just in a 63 hour long movie)
I think Lost and BSG's scores are equally amazing, to be honest. I love the otherworldly sound of the violins for Lost. Perfect complement to the spooky nature of the show, just as the tribal, percussion-heavy sound of the BSG score complements the fact that BSG is essentially about people wandering through the wilderness with what bits of civilization they have left intact cracking at every turn. I can't think of either show with any music other than the kind they have.

[BlackLantern]

LOST has polar bears....therefore it is stupid

[Manic]

BSG has hotter women, anyway. "Look everyone! It's Evangeline Lily!" Thanks, but I'll stick with Grace Park, Tricia Helfer, Lucy Lawless, and Kandyse McClure.

[BlackLantern]

Evangeline Lily started as a product model on G4 on Judgement Day.....every time I see her I think "Stop talking and stroke a PS2 Controller....it's what you're good at"

[Manic]

Really? I remember when Evangeline Lilly was doing TV commercials for LiveLinks dating hotlines.


--EDIT--
Interesting tidbit from Wikipedia...
"Lilly's first speaking role was on Lost."

[The Apocalypse]

Evangeline Lily > Tricia Helfer, Lucy Lawless, and Kandyse McClure

Unless your into fake tits, old women and just ehhh. I would put Grace Park and Evangeline Lily in the same ballpark.

[Superfreak]

Evangeline Lily > Tricia Helfer, Lucy Lawless, and Kandyse McClure

Unless your into fake tits, old women and just ehhh. I would put Grace Park and Evangeline Lily in the same ballpark.

you're f'n nutz man. And Grace blows lily out of the water anyday of the week.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, this thread sure degraded fast. :(

[Bastila]

I wouldn't know, I get ****ed because I'm Canada... where sci fi webisodes are apparently not allowed... or something

Same here can't watch anything on US sites being in the UK, but thanks to youtube we can :D

BSG music is great, I got some tracks downloaded.....but there cool lol.

[Bastila]

got bored today, I just always liked this part, must make it into an avvy one day

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/timeforcepink/cain2cutandresized.gif

Just like this one, its from making of razor, its made me giggle little on set jokes .


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u35/timeforcepink/cainandXO2.gif

[Bastila]

BSG panel at Comic Con :D


http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=279928

[The Apocalypse]

I actually watched that whole thing. Funny funny stuff. There is a description of the trailer shown on IGN. If anyone is interested in reading about it.

[Loony Moony]

is the Caprica going to be a tv series or a tv movie?

[Bastila]

I actually watched that whole thing. Funny funny stuff. There is a description of the trailer shown on IGN. If anyone is interested in reading about it.

Me to want to read about it!

Yeah I watched it all was very funny and cool, they seem like such a great bunch.

[Sawyer]

I actually watched that whole thing. Funny funny stuff. There is a description of the trailer shown on IGN. If anyone is interested in reading about it.

link?

[The Apocalypse]

link?

http://tv.ign.com/articles/894/894082p1.html

[Sawyer]

http://tv.ign.com/articles/894/894082p1.html

Awesome. I love the sound of all that.

[ariellem]

Thanks for those two links! Great info. I can't wait to see the trailer.

[Bastila]

http://tv.ign.com/articles/894/894082p1.html

Thanks very much! :woot:

[Evelisse]

So I was reading an article in Wizard magazine, kind of old from June talking about the Caprica show. It has been probably mentioned but does this pretty much make give away who the final cylon is?....

"Adding some extra star power to the proposed prequel show is Eric Stoltz. The "Pulp Fiction" actor will play Daniel Graystone, a rich computer engineer who, after a tragedy in his family, uses science to forever change the future of Caprica—creating what will become the first truly human-looking Cylons. Reportedly, Alessandra Toressan ("Malcolm in the Middle") will play the inventor's daughter, who is killed and becomes the physical basis for the look of her inventor father's first cybernetic life form."

So is Alessandra Toressan the final/first humonoid cylon?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003779/

[The Apocalypse]

RDM said that Caprica will not have anything to do with his writing for the show. Also, he said we've seen the person already. Doubt it's this girl.

[Sawyer]

I, for one, am not gonna watch Caprica. It just sounds kind of lame.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll watch the TV movie. I thought remaking Battlestar Galactica in the first place sounded lame, and I skipped the pilot movie when it first aired. I'm much more inclined to give the BSG guys the benefit of the doubt on Caprica (which does unfortunately sound pretty stupid). The pilot movie will determine whether I bother watching the show when it inevitably gets made.

[union_jak]

I thought the old style Cylons came first, like long before Human Replicants?

[ariellem]

So I was reading an article in Wizard magazine, kind of old from June talking about the Caprica show. It has been probably mentioned but does this pretty much make give away who the final cylon is?....

"Adding some extra star power to the proposed prequel show is Eric Stoltz. The "Pulp Fiction" actor will play Daniel Graystone, a rich computer engineer who, after a tragedy in his family, uses science to forever change the future of Caprica—creating what will become the first truly human-looking Cylons. Reportedly, Alessandra Toressan ("Malcolm in the Middle") will play the inventor's daughter, who is killed and becomes the physical basis for the look of her inventor father's first cybernetic life form."

So is Alessandra Toressan the final/first humonoid cylon?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003779/

RDM said that Caprica will not have anything to do with his writing for the show. Also, he said we've seen the person already. Doubt it's this girl.

Wouldn't work unless this girl grows up to be Starbuck somehow - what do we know about Starbuck's father?

[The Apocalypse]

Don't think he was ever mentioned

[union_jak]

Don't think he was ever mentioned
She grew up in foster care, didn't she?

[Superfreak]

nay, she grew up with her psycho mother, until she croaked... and Starbuck ran away before that, refusing to see her dying mother on her deathbed (atleast, that's the vibe I got from her revisit of her mother's death)

[Darthphere]

But Caprica takes place like 40 years ago doesn't it?

[Pink Ranger]

Anybody else hear about this robot with a biological brain made from rat's nerve cells?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080814/sc_livescience/robothasbiologicalbrain

Is it just me, or are we getting scarily close to having real-life Cylons now? The bloody thing even has a "eye" that looks the same!

[BlackLantern]

I just learned today that Sam Witwer (Crashdown) is the character model for the Apprentice in Star Wars: the Force Unleashed.....

[Superfreak]

I just learned today that Sam Witwer (Crashdown) is the character model for the Apprentice in Star Wars: the Force Unleashed.....


he's also doomsday in name only on smallvile

[Sawyer]

Anybody else hear about this robot with a biological brain made from rat's nerve cells?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080814/sc_livescience/robothasbiologicalbrain

Is it just me, or are we getting scarily close to having real-life Cylons now? The bloody thing even has a "eye" that looks the same!

Hey Hey Hey!!!

The closer we get to a million of these...
http://triciahelferfansite.com/images/wallpaper/Tricia_Helfer_008.jpg

...the better. Same goes for Grace Park.

[Pink Ranger]

Hey Hey Hey!!!

The closer we get to a million of these...

...the better. Same goes for Grace Park.

LOL I was thinking more along the lines of a Cylon Raider. Based on the technology they've just unveiled, I don't think a fully autonomous UAV with an adaptive biological brain is that out of the question, in our lifetime.

BTW there is a way to get "a million of these." Become a producer of TV commercials or a promotional events manager, and discover the magic of the "cattle call."

[Sawyer]

BTW there is a way to get "a million of these." Become a producer of TV commercials or a promotional events manager, and discover the magic of the "cattle call."

It just wouldnt be the same.

[union_jak]

The first half of season 4 is now available to pre-order in the UK.

[GEO]

Hey Hey Hey!!!

The closer we get to a million of these...
http://triciahelferfansite.com/images/wallpaper/Tricia_Helfer_008.jpg

...the better. Same goes for Grace Park.
This just made my day.

[huskerwebhead]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/ap_en_ot/ap_on_tv_battlestar_galactica;_ylt=AvJqOPeCaRkHZxy liPrB2kMjtBAF



By CHRIS TALBOTT, Associated Press Writer Mon Aug 25, 5:59 PM ET

NEW YORK - Need proof the television ratings system is dead, a victim of the TiVo, the ubiquitous satellite dish and schizophrenic viewing habits? Take a look at what's happening with "Battlestar Galactica."

If the traditional ratings system is used to measure its success, well, the series is scraping bottom like a viper throwing sparks on a hot landing.

Yet the show's producers are moving forward with two post-"Galactica" projects that would never have seen the light of a cathode tube had ratings been the only factor in the decisions.

Jamie Bamber, the British actor who plays Lee "Apollo" Adama in the series, has a much better way to gauge ratings. Turns out, as the ratings plummet, the show's popularity continues to skyrocket as it reaches the end of its five-year run early in 2009.

"When the numbers were high I would get stopped in the street maybe once a week," Bamber said. "Now that the viewing figures are lower on the TV, everywhere I go someone will come up to me and say what a huge fan they are. That just tells me that people watch the show in a more modern way and that it has reached its sort of critical mass."

"Galactica" wrapped shooting in July and the final 10 episodes will begin airing in January. But the franchise won't stop there.

Producers recently announced end-of-the-summer production of a two-hour standalone "Galactica" prequel that will air in 2009 after the series finale. And they've also shot a pilot for a new series called "Caprica," which has yet to be picked up by the network but seems destined to air.

These things never used to happen. There never would've been a "Rhoda" had "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" tanked. "Fish" would've been fried had it not been for the popularity of "Barney Miller."

"Galactica's" numbers — to put it politely — have begun to stink. The latest Nielsen ratings seem to indicate the show's viewers are as hard to find as the fleet's mythical destination of Earth. The series averaged 2.8 million viewers an episode during Season 1. During the most recent run of 10 episodes, the show averaged 2.2 million viewers, a slight dip overall but up from Seasons 2 and 3. The series lost some of that steam by the midseason finale, falling to just 1.8 million viewers.

Co-executive producer Michael Angeli thinks the numbers are irrelevant, however. He believes most "Galactica" fans have atypical viewing habits and take advantage of new technology to watch the show whenever they want.

"I think we were one of the first ones," Angeli said. "TiVo had just sort of taken off. This was four or five seasons ago, and because we were on Friday nights most people, most fans don't watch it (on first run). They TiVo it and watch it a zillion times."

Others rent or buy the DVDs after the season is over and watch in long marathons. To take advantage of this group, producers will be releasing the two-hour movie on DVD shortly after it appears on SciFi.

The movie is a prequel that gives some insight into the machinations of the cylons before they unleashed the nuclear holocaust that wiped out all but 50,000 human inhabitants of the 12 colonies. "Galactica" star Edward James Olmos will direct and Dean Stockwell (Cylon No. 1), Aaron Douglas (Chief Tyrol) and Michael Trucco (Sam Anders) — all "skinjobs," cylons who appear to be human — will participate.

While the movie is a lock to air, the fate of "Caprica" remains to be decided. The pilot has been shot and screened, and there's a trailer up on YouTube. Angeli is helping with early scripts in case the series is picked up and said the show is an almost complete departure from "Galactica."

"In fact, I don't think we ever go into space," he said.

"Caprica" takes place 51 years before the events of "Galactica." It stars Esai Morales and Eric Stoltz as the heads of rival families who clash over the creation of artificial intelligence, which will eventually lead to the cylons.

Besides the robots and the location, the only real connection between "Galactica" and "Caprica" will be Joseph Adama, the character played by Morales. While Joseph Adama — father and grandfather to the characters played by Olmos and Bamber — never appears in "Galactica," his work as a lawyer provides a moral compass in a significant storyline and his name is often evoked.

Like "Galactica," which took on war, terrorism, torture, religion and questions of morality, the storyline in "Caprica" will have many things to say about our society.

"It's really about big business, the machinations and the subterfuge that go on inside of it when you have something that is groundbreaking and could change the nature of life and the future," Angeli said. "In this case, they're developing artificial intelligence."

Executive producer Ronald D. Moore described the show to reporters at the Television Critics Association meeting in Beverly Hills. While he was talking about the fictional colony Caprica, he could just as easily have been talking about today's America.

"It's about a vibrant society. It's really at the height of its power and the height of its decadence at the same time," Moore said. "So it's really a thriving, vibrant culture that's going to come apart as we watch, but it's sort of the roller coaster. It's thrilling at the top when you see how far down you've got to go."

[Superfreak]

thought I'd bring back up. Only 'bout 2 1/2 months til the final stretch. I have pretty much no idea what's gonna happen now. Getting to earth was the whole goal, now what. New territory here.

I suppose the other cylons are gonna catch up with the allied fleet.

[BlackLantern]

Earths a dump....it looks like Arkansas

[EdRyder]

Check this out
http://dvice.com/archives/2008/10/battlestar_gala.php

[The Apocalypse]

Just to let everyone know BSG is returning on January 16th at 10pm. (USA)

[psychocheeseman]

good, getting to earth was a let down, it seem hurried and not as well written - the rest of the series was good and deserved a better ending than arriving at the desolate earth....
although - that in itself was an awesome idea...

[Superfreak]

good, getting to earth was a let down, it seem hurried and not as well written - the rest of the series was good and deserved a better ending than arriving at the desolate earth....
although - that in itself was an awesome idea...

but I like how it opens up a relatively new chapter for the final 10. By that I mean the whole story has been geared towards getting to earth... now they've done that, but the prophecy hasn't been satisfied yet, so I'm thinkin we'll be getting deep into that.

[Sawyer]

http://www.tv.com/story/11916.html?tag=headlines;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=news

Battlestar Galactica duo coming out of space closet
By Tim Surette11/18/08 5:23 PM

Battlestar Galactica houses one of television's biggest secrets: Who is the final Cylon? That answer will be revealed when the series continues next year. But now it has another hot secret--which will be revealed sooner. Two of the show's characters will be outed as homosexual before the final portion of season four airs (not-very-significant-to-the-overall-mythology spoilers inside).

The always reliable BSG blog Galactica Sitrep says that the two male characters will come clean in an upcoming series of webisodes due out soon. In fact, fans won't have to wait long; the reveal allegedly comes in the first webisode by way of a make-out session.

One of the gay characters shouldn't come as too big of a surprise: It's Lt. Felix Gaeta (pictured), played by Alessandro Juliani. His lip-locking partner is Lt. Hoshi, played by Brad Dryborough, the communications officer on the Pegasus.

Sci-Fi Channel has yet to announce the premiere dates for the webisodes, but word is they'll hit the Net sometime next month. As previously announced, Battlestar Galactica returns for the second half of its final season on January 16.

So, anyone surprised at the two gay characters? Who else did you think they could be?


So, Gaeta's gay... honestly, is anyone surprised? Hasnt the rumor been foating around for a while now?
I wonder what the webisodes are going to be about...

[BlackLantern]

Not really...I just always assumed that Gaeta was gay....

[Manic]

What's that you say? Gaete is gay? Well, that's an inters--

WHO THE HELL CARES?! We already knew he was gay. Unless he's the final Cylon, I really don't give a damn.

[Pink Ranger]

They should have "revealed" it closer to the beginning of the show, because I don't see it as that big of a deal in the Galactica universe. The society they live in seems to be extremely close to total gender equality, so it would follow that homosexuality would not be that hidden. (Baltar's Cylon threesomes don't count, by the way).

[Bastila]

Kind of guessed Gaeta might have played for the other team so him and Hoshi are a couple, wonder how they work that in

Gaeta: Hey guys I am gay
5th Cylone: I'm the final Cylon

All other cast : Who cares about Gaeta and Hoshi being gay there the 5th Cylon...
Gaeta walks off...

I don't know its not important really, We had Cain and Gina now we have Gaeta and Hoshi.


I have meet AJ who plays Gaeta his really sweet and cute in real life :p

[Manic]

Cain and Gina? I've really got to watch Razor one of these days.



Betcha Cain's the final Cylon, by the way. Why else go through all the trouble of getting a Cylon to infiltrate the Pegasus?

[Bastila]

^
You haven't seen Razor yet, ops sorry ......if Cain was that would be funny XD her character was cool

[Manic]

No, it's my fault for not watching it and coming into this thread. It'd be like going to the Stargate thread and flipping out when I hear Aiden Ford's no longer a main character.

[ttotheusher]

Man, I totally forgot about the final Cylon. Who were the main candidates again?

[Manic]

Starbuck is the most likely candidate. She's been having visions her whole life; she "died," saw Earth, then came back alive and well months later with an undamaged recreation of her ship; she's been saying that she can "feel" the path to Earth

Laura Roslin was taken off of the list when Deanna jokingly told Laura that she was a Cylon.

Bill Adama is highly unlikely since that would make Lee and Zach the first bi-species human/Cylons, and that would be ridiculous.

My money's on Admiral Cain.

Dee is a candidate just for being a character with a speaking role who got close to the Adama family and had influence on Lee's actions for about a minute.

I also have money on the unsavory lawyer who represented Balter during his trial and nominated Lee for president.

[ttotheusher]

Starbuck is the most likely candidate. She's been having visions her whole life; she "died," saw Earth, then came back alive and well months later with an undamaged recreation of her ship; she's been saying that she can "feel" the path to Earth

Laura Roslin was taken off of the list when Deanna jokingly told Laura that she was a Cylon.

Bill Adama is highly unlikely since that would make Lee and Zach the first bi-species human/Cylons, and that would be ridiculous.

My money's on Admiral Cain.

Dee is a candidate just for being a character with a speaking role who got close to the Adama family and had influence on Lee's actions for about a minute.

I also have money on the unsavory lawyer who represented Balter during his trial and nominated Lee for president.

That guy needs to come back. He was frakkin awesome!

[Superfreak]

dunno who the final cylon is going to be, or even if there is one. With all the death on the show, it may have been killed already, without our knowledge.


Still what I'm really interested in is the First mystery of the series: Who Left The Note On Adama's Desk?

[Manic]

You'll have to refresh my memory.

[Darthphere]

Whoever it is, it has to be someone that has been there from the beginning of the show, if not it would just feel cheap to me, IMHO.

[Philly Phanboy]

Starbuck is the most likely candidate. She's been having visions her whole life; she "died," saw Earth, then came back alive and well months later with an undamaged recreation of her ship; she's been saying that she can "feel" the path to Earth

Laura Roslin was taken off of the list when Deanna jokingly told Laura that she was a Cylon.

Bill Adama is highly unlikely since that would make Lee and Zach the first bi-species human/Cylons, and that would be ridiculous.

My money's on Admiral Cain.

Dee is a candidate just for being a character with a speaking role who got close to the Adama family and had influence on Lee's actions for about a minute.

I also have money on the unsavory lawyer who represented Balter during his trial and nominated Lee for president.

Nah that'd be impossible because while the cylons don't know who/where the final five are, they are able to recognize the final five when they see them. So the Six that killed Cain wouldn't have shot her (even though that loopy logic somehow didn't come into play when they tortured Tigh.)

[union_jak]

Didn't they confirm it wasn't someone in the Last Supper-style photo?

[Superfreak]

You'll have to refresh my memory.

at the end of the mini series, Adama found a note in his office telling him about the 12 models. It could have been Tigh. But it's the one unrevealed thing from the MS.


At the end, I'm sad that they didn't think of getting a cameo from Harrison Ford as a 'cylon hunter'. Adama could do some oragami. I think that would have made me smile

[wobbly]

Didn't they confirm it wasn't someone in the Last Supper-style photo?

Yup.
Assuming they were not flat out lying it doesn't leave much to play with. The last Cylon, whoever they are, is not one of the main regulars.

Unless they were being cute. Starbuck was killed and came back, so they might claim the Starbuck in the pic is the one who was killed and not the one who came back...maybe...

[ariellem]

Nah that'd be impossible because while the cylons don't know who/where the final five are, they are able to recognize the final five when they see them. So the Six that killed Cain wouldn't have shot her (even though that loopy logic somehow didn't come into play when they tortured Tigh.)

Maybe they can only recognize the ACTIVATED final five.


at the end of the mini series, Adama found a note in his office telling him about the 12 models. It could have been Tigh. But it's the one unrevealed thing from the MS.

At the end, I'm sad that they didn't think of getting a cameo from Harrison Ford as a 'cylon hunter'. Adama could do some oragami. I think that would have made me smile

Forgot about that note. Would looooooove to have Harrison Ford on for that cameo! Blade Runner comes to mind all the time while watching BSG.

[Philly Phanboy]

Maybe they can only recognize the ACTIVATED final five.

I believe the episode where that baseship becomes infected has the speech about how cylons would recognize the final five, and them being activated isn't relevant.

It was the Cavil model that tortured Tigh right? Maybe the Cavil model recognized him but wanted to punish Tigh's involvement with the resistance (but not kill him)? Even so that really doesn't jive with the cylon's revering the final five. Any way you look at it, Tigh's torture definitely needs further explanation in the remaining episodes.

All the final five models that were aboard Galactica were drawn together by the signal so the last model would have to be in the fleet but not aboard. That leaves just a handful of characters available: the lawyer, Starbuck and Zarek as the most obvious candidates for the final model. My guess is that the last of the five is Baltar's lawyer.

[EdRyder]

Moore made that statement about none of the mains, or anyone in the last supper photo not being the final cylon a bunch of times.
Also Arron Douglas's comments on how he was "shocked" dont lead me to believe its Lampkin.(Ive heard people pushing this as true with proof like anagrams for Romo Lampkin ,.Primal Link etc..) Im not buying it.
Lets here from the Hybrid one more time.

"At last they've come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path, played out on a world not their own, will end soon enough. Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening. Struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity. And in the midst of confusion he will find her, enemies brought together by impossible longing, enemies now joined as one. The way forward, at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all. The seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into the many. And then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning."

[Superfreak]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say the fifth is Callie. Why? Because even though she is already dead, I see the actress doing endless promos for 4.5 up here in Canada. If she is effectively off the show, why is she continuing to do promo?

[BlackLantern]

She's probably still under contract....

[union_jak]

Some of the dead characters have returned thanks to flashbacks and hallucinations. Tigh's wife was killed, but the character was seen a couple of times since.

[EdRyder]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say the fifth is Callie. Why? Because even though she is already dead, I see the actress doing endless promos for 4.5 up here in Canada. If she is effectively off the show, why is she continuing to do promo?

Could be. I just dont know. Im certain its going to be a character thats been there from day one.Not any 'introduced' character like Caine or Lampkin.

[Superfreak]

Could be. I just dont know. Im certain its going to be a character thats been there from day one.Not any 'introduced' character like Caine or Lampkin.

indeed, it would just cheapen it otherwise. I say it's between Callie, Dee or Billie, even though two of them are dead. They're the only ones I would say it could be, other than Starbuck, but that just wouldn't be satisfying, as everything is pointing towards her being the last.

[BlackLantern]

If it's Dee, that's great...it just gives me more reason to dislike her more than I already do

[Superfreak]

If it's Dee, that's great...it just gives me more reason to dislike her more than I already do

I don't exactly enjoy her character either, but she has been creepy ever since her rank increased from crewman to officer

[EdRyder]

If it's Dee, that's great...it just gives me more reason to dislike her more than I already do

Dee just doesn't have that shock value.Cally sort of does , especially since she was blown out an airlock. Billy somewhat does because he was killed.(His corpse is still on board in Galacticas morgue)Dee just doesn't fit.Even though shes been there from day one and fits that aspect of it ,It doesn't feel organic.Even Gaeta has more of a shock value than Dee does.But if you want the most bang for your shock buck,theres only one answer:
Helo.

You know they're working on another Razor like telefilm "The Plan" that takes place on Caprica and deals with those survivors left behind.Its going to air after the series finale.

Just another indicator that says "Helo" in my eyes.

[Manic]

On some level, it almost makes sense for it to be Helo. The Cylons were experimenting on human women because they were incapable of reproducing, so it was a big deal when Helo and Sharon produced a half-human Cylon. But we've just seen that Tigh impregnated Caprica-Six, which shows that the Final Five (who are supposed to be "different") are capable of knocking up the other Cylons. So if Helo was one of the Final Five, that'd sorta make sense. It'd also make Tyrol's baby the only halfbreed child..

[echostation]

I think it'll turn out to be Lee Adama... and he'll die in the finale which is why father adama breaks down and cries at the dead body (unless that's roslin)

what I can't figure out is what the hell the final 5's purpose is? Are they meant to be the protectors of the remaining humans or the destroyers or totally different?

[Manic]

If they were meant to destroy the remaining humans, then it was a crappy idea to make them believe themselves to be human without putting sleeper commands like they did with Boomer.

[ttotheusher]

If it's Dee, that's great...it just gives me more reason to dislike her more than I already do

I don't exactly enjoy her character either, but she has been creepy ever since her rank increased from crewman to officer

What was wrong with Dee? I liked her, and felt sorry for her when Lee cheated on her with Starbuck.

[Manic]

She cheated on Billy with Lee. Then Billy died. Some of us Billy/Dee shippers have had a hard time accepting her relationship with Lee, and I was glad to see them separate.

[ttotheusher]

She cheated on Billy with Lee. Then Billy died. Some of us Billy/Dee shippers have had a hard time accepting her relationship with Lee, and I was glad to see them separate.

Oh yea, I actually forgot all about that. I miss Billy. :csad: I hope he's the final Cylon.

[BlackLantern]

What was wrong with Dee? I liked her, and felt sorry for her when Lee cheated on her with Starbuck.

Dee dumped the nice, decent guy for the pretty boy fighter pilot....

[Manic]

That b****.

[ttotheusher]

Actually, the more I think about it, yea, Dee is a bit isnt she?

[ariellem]

"...And in the midst of confusion he will find her, enemies brought together by impossible longing, enemies now joined as one. The way forward, at once unthinkable, yet inevitable."
Tigh + Six

"...And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering."

Hungering for redemption... Doesn't sound like Helo. What has he done that needs to be redeemed? He doesn't seem hungry either. This part sounds more like Baltar than anyone. Possibly Lee (still guilty over his brother), Adama Sr. (ditto), Starbuck... I hope it isn't Callie because I can't stand that character. I hope it isn't Dee because of the Billy stuff, although she would make sense as the Fifth.


"...And then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning."

Angel = Starbuck, Six, or Baltar - he's the fallen angel who could be redeemed - Lucifer! Beginning = the remaining Cylons land on a planet and start to repopulate it.


On some level, it almost makes sense for it to be Helo...

Only if the show wants to demonstrate that the Cylons can build a more perfect, moral human than humans can grow by themselves. It would be a gotcha, but I'm not sure it fits, especially with the Hybrid's comments. One way or another: Helo rocks!


She cheated on Billy with Lee. Then Billy died. Some of us Billy/Dee shippers have had a hard time accepting her relationship with Lee, and I was glad to see them separate.
Dee dumped the nice, decent guy for the pretty boy fighter pilot....

Yes. BOOOO, hiss, Dee; I miss Billy.

[Sawyer]

If you guys are gonna hate Dee for cheating on Billy, thats fine, but you cant really blame her for doing it with Apollo. As a straight guy who is comfortable with his sexuality, I'm man enough to admit that, if I was a chick or if I was gay, I would jump his bones in the blink of an eye. The man is just raw, sexual magnetism.

I'm just sayin'...

[Manic]

Look, we all know Apollo is one fine piece of man-meat. What Dee did was still shady, though.

[Gold Samurai]

io9.com posted Space's sneak peek of BSG, it's interspliced with an interview from Cally. I imagine this is what Skiffy's Thanksgiving Sneak Peek will be minus the Cally interview.

http://io9.com/5096585/a-surprising-amount-of-kissing-in-bsg-season-45

[ariellem]

^Believe me, I have NO objection to anyone wanting to jump Apollo. I liked Dee with Billy and was happy for him. I'm still mad that she wasn't marrying him as I'd imagined would be happening at any moment. I was annoyed at Apollo for cuckolding Billy and was more upset when Billy DIED :-< He was one of my favorite characters. I liked Dee fine before she decided Billy wasn't good enough (sophisticated enough?) for her. So if he comes back I'd be happy to see him.

I guess I'm also annoyed with myself to some extent - it looked to me like Dee was happy with Billy, so it was quite a shock when she was complaining about him with Apollo.

[Manic]

He was supposed to be the next President, too. :csad:

[ariellem]

^ Billy or Apollo?

[Manic]

Billy. I can't remember who said it, but someone told him that he had the potential to become the next president of the Colonies. Or maybe the president after that. He was supposedly only in his early 20s, after all.

[The Apocalypse]

Billy. I can't remember who said it, but someone told him that he had the potential to become the next president of the Colonies. Or maybe the president after that. He was supposedly only in his early 20s, after all.

Bill told him while they were on a raptor to Kobol.

[EdRyder]

Quick heads up,.
Theres going to be a sneak preview of season 4.5 during the Bond marathon on Thanksgiving .

[Gold Samurai]

Quick heads up,.
Theres going to be a sneak preview of season 4.5 during the Bond marathon on Thanksgiving .

check my post on this page

[Superfreak]

check my post on this page

seen it, you don't get to see much, infact, they don't really tell you anything

[Gold Samurai]

SyFyPortal reveals Final Cylon (Spoilers)
well, sort of

http://syfyportal.com/news425609.html

according to SyFyPortal, someone leaked to them who the Final Cylon is, and while they cannot confirm it with 100% certainty, they think its true;

but rather than utterly ruin it, rather than say who exactly it is, they posted a list of 5 people and said "its one of these 5 characters":

1 - Lee Adama
2 - Laura Roslin
3 - Felix Gaeta
4 - Ellen Tigh
5 - Cally Henderson-Tyrol

[Darthphere]

If Lee was a Cylon, wouldn't that mean that one of his parents is a Cylon as well, that kind of eliminates him doesn't it, by the fact that Papa Adama isn't on the list there.

[Manic]

Exactly. If Lee is a Cylon, then one of his parents is a Cylon (making the final Cylon either Bill Adama or Mama Adama). Also, it means that Lee is about as much a Cylon as Tyrol's son and Hera. And they just don't count.

[Darthphere]

I find myself worrying about the reveal more and more. It's either going to be way too painfully obvious, or a character so lame no one cares about, or at least I dont care about.

[ariellem]

according to SyFyPortal, someone leaked to them who the Final Cylon is...they posted a list of 5 people and said "its one of these 5 characters":

1 - Lee Adama
2 - Laura Roslin
3 - Felix Gaeta
4 - Ellen Tigh
5 - Cally Henderson-Tyrol

I'd be very happy if I never saw or thought about Cally again. She was so whiny. PLEASE let it be any of the others.


If Lee was a Cylon, wouldn't that mean that one of his parents is a Cylon as well, that kind of eliminates him doesn't it, by the fact that Papa Adama isn't on the list there.
Exactly. If Lee is a Cylon, then one of his parents is a Cylon (making the final Cylon either Bill Adama or Mama Adama). Also, it means that Lee is about as much a Cylon as Tyrol's son and Hera. And they just don't count.

UNLESS Lee as we see him onscreen is a Cylon and was built to replace the human Lee born to the Adama mama & papa. A changeling. How quickly can Cylons create new models? Could/would this fit in with the mythos/existing shows?

Laura Roslin would be a close second for fitting the quotes. She'd also be a super-obvious choice and might be a letdown. Also, how would her being a Cylon fit in with D'Anna laughing in her face about that idea? Has D'Anna fallen from grace to the point that she can no longer recognize the Final Five?

I've always liked Gaeta's character (and the actor) and would love for him to have a larger role in the series. He's gotten short shrift of late. Would being a Cylon mean they could replace his leg? Wouldn't the other Cylons have recognized him as being one of them when he was working for (against) Baltar? How much of a grudge would they hold against him? There's not much light for him to fight toward - he has generally been one of the most honorable characters, along with Helo and possibly Lee. He's not very Cylon-ish when you put him next to the ones we've IDed - too much self-control even in dire circumstances (like losing his leg - he sang mournfully rather than freaking out and trashing the place).

Of the suggested names, I think Ellen best fits the "fighting toward the light" and/or "seeking redemption" quotes from the Hybrid. She was a great character anyway, and I'd be happy to have her back. Tigh sure would too, though he'd be down on his knees begging her for forgiveness 24/7. 28/7 once Ellen found out about him and Six... She fits the Cylons' modus operandum of being a flawed, somewhat twisted human model - she drinks and is somewhat sex-crazed and is prone to fits of temper, much like Tigh, but she does have her own sort of honor.


"on the wings of an angel" or whatever the Hybrid's quote was - is the angel Baltar or Starbuck? Or someone else, like Gaeta or Helo?

[LadyVader]

If Lee's a cylon then maybe they'd find some way to tie his conception to Caprica since his grandpa had dealings with the guy who invented cylons and everything. However, I'm hoping it's Gaeta. He's the only one one out of those who are alive that has had no big arc in the series and he wasn't in that painting filled with clues from a while back, the one with an empty seat reserved for the last Cylon.

[Superfreak]

I'd be very happy if I never saw or thought about Cally again. She was so whiny. PLEASE let it be any of the others.







in all fairness, it was only one episode she was like that, and that's because everybody was ignoring her

[Philly Phanboy]

SyFyPortal reveals Final Cylon (Spoilers)
well, sort of

http://syfyportal.com/news425609.html

according to SyFyPortal, someone leaked to them who the Final Cylon is, and while they cannot confirm it with 100% certainty, they think its true;

but rather than utterly ruin it, rather than say who exactly it is, they posted a list of 5 people and said "its one of these 5 characters":

1 - Lee Adama
2 - Laura Roslin
3 - Felix Gaeta
4 - Ellen Tigh
5 - Cally Henderson-Tyrol

Really? How could it be Ellen or Cally if there was only one model for each of the final 5?

[wobbly]

SyFyPortal reveals Final Cylon (Spoilers)
well, sort of

http://syfyportal.com/news425609.html

according to SyFyPortal, someone leaked to them who the Final Cylon is, and while they cannot confirm it with 100% certainty, they think its true;

but rather than utterly ruin it, rather than say who exactly it is, they posted a list of 5 people and said "its one of these 5 characters":

1 - Lee Adama
2 - Laura Roslin
3 - Felix Gaeta
4 - Ellen Tigh
5 - Cally Henderson-Tyrol

Assuming the producer was not lying then Lee and Laura are ruled out by the 'Last Supper' pic (He said the final Cylon is not any of the characters seen in that). Both Ellen and Cally are dead (and it would be a cop out to have someone thought dead as the revelation), so that would seem to leave Felix....Which would be rather underwhelming...

To be honest though I think whoever it is will leave many veiwers thinking "is that it?". The more something is built up the more disappointing it's resolution often is.

[ariellem]

Really? How could it be Ellen or Cally if there was only one model for each of the final 5?

Maybe that was a misquote (or misunderstanding) and there's only one alive at a time - unlike the Sixes etc. Perhaps the Final Five have their own special, hidden resurrection ship with just one extra copy of each of them - and when (if) that one's activiated, that ship starts making a replacement (backup copy).

[888]

I thought two cylons couldn't reproduce, Cally had Tyrol's baby, right?

[ariellem]

I thought two cylons couldn't reproduce, Cally had Tyrol's baby, right?

But Tigh getting Six pregnant refutes that. Possibly two *regular* Cylons can't. Or maybe they thought it was impossible until Tigh got Six pregnant.

[ttotheusher]

But Tigh getting Six pregnant refutes that. Possibly two *regular* Cylons can't. Or maybe they thought it was impossible until Tigh got Six pregnant.

I thought the Cylons believed that they couldnt reproduce unless they loved each other?

[ariellem]

Does that mean Tigh loves Six? Or that he was able to get her pregnant because he was fantasizing about Ellen at the time?

[ttotheusher]

Does that mean Tigh loves Six? Or that he was able to get her pregnant because he was fantasizing about Ellen at the time?

I would guess the latter. Although, there are times when I find myself in love with Six...so I'm sure it wouldnt be hard for Tigh. :oldrazz:

[Philly Phanboy]

To be honest though I think whoever it is will leave many veiwers thinking "is that it?". The more something is built up the more disappointing it's resolution often is.

No kidding. The whole final five idea was the worst thing the writers added to the storyline and no matter how it's resolved I can't see anybody liking it.

[Superfreak]

No kidding. The whole final five idea was the worst thing the writers added to the storyline and no matter how it's resolved I can't see anybody liking it.

I don't know, BSG has consistently delivered satisfying resolutions to the problems arrived at in the show.

[888]

The problem is we suspect everybody. So no matter who it is, we won't be surprised.

[Darthphere]

Internet speculation has ruined tv forever.

[Manic]

so I'm sure it wouldnt be hard for Tigh. :oldrazz:
Actually...

[ttotheusher]

Actually...

If your saying what I'm thinking...:lmao:

[Sawyer]

Internet speculation has ruined tv forever.

I have to agree. Theres nothing like getting spoilers and even foilers months in advance to an actual episode. At this point, I pretty much dont even need to watch Heroes every week anymore...

But, I still try my best to avoid BSG and Lost spoilers like the plague. Those shows are just too damn good to ruin with spoilers.

[Manic]

It's not just the spoilers. It's the fact that you can gather a bunch of people in one place to bounce theories off of one another. When BSG officially comes to an end, we'll actually be able to go back, look at this thread, and find places where each of us guessed every single thing that happened ahead of time.

Here's an example: We all had theories about what would happen when they reached Earth. Some guessed it'd be Galactica 1980 all over again. Some guessed the Earth would be super-advanced. But some of us guessed the Earth would be a desolate wasteland. Even if that wasn't your theory, you probably weren't surprised to see it happen because somebody somewhere on the internet guessed it, and you read it.

They say that a million monkeys on a million typewriters could reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Well, a thousand fans all over the internet can guess the entire outcome of their favorite TV show.

[The Apocalypse]

SyFyPortal reveals Final Cylon (Spoilers)
well, sort of

http://syfyportal.com/news425609.html

according to SyFyPortal, someone leaked to them who the Final Cylon is, and while they cannot confirm it with 100% certainty, they think its true;

but rather than utterly ruin it, rather than say who exactly it is, they posted a list of 5 people and said "its one of these 5 characters":

1 - Lee Adama
2 - Laura Roslin
3 - Felix Gaeta
4 - Ellen Tigh
5 - Cally Henderson-Tyrol

If this is true then it has to be Gaeta. Only because I'm going by RDM saying that the final cylon isn't in the last supper pic. Ellen is dead and Tyrol's baby is already half Cylon. That would mean Cally was a Cylon...

[Manic]

Does anyone know if Six still has a Head-Baltar? Last time I saw him, Head-Baltar was inside of the real Baltar's head.

[ariellem]

^ maybe Tigh got that out of her system.

[Superfreak]

It's not just the spoilers. It's the fact that you can gather a bunch of people in one place to bounce theories off of one another. When BSG officially comes to an end, we'll actually be able to go back, look at this thread, and find places where each of us guessed every single thing that happened ahead of time.

Here's an example: We all had theories about what would happen when they reached Earth. Some guessed it'd be Galactica 1980 all over again. Some guessed the Earth would be super-advanced. But some of us guessed the Earth would be a desolate wasteland. Even if that wasn't your theory, you probably weren't surprised to see it happen because somebody somewhere on the internet guessed it, and you read it.

They say that a million monkeys on a million typewriters could reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Well, a thousand fans all over the internet can guess the entire outcome of their favorite TV show.


the internet has just provided the forum. Speculation has always existed. It is all still speculation. Generally, all these stories have been done before, what is novel, and what will always suprise, is 'how' these stories are told. All though as a group, we may be able to blindly guess at what will happen next, we cannot imagine how that narrative will be brought to screen. And we cannot also tell what order our correct predictions will occur in. In hindsight, it's easy to say we predicted a lot, but none of us had any idea how it would actually play out. Moreover, with every prediction, there were 4 or 5 other potential incorrect predicitons that competed with it. So I wouldn't say that internet discussion has ruined tv, infact, in the case of BSG, I would say that it has helped the show.

I don't think there is one fan of this show out there, that sat down at the beginning of season 1, and mapped out the entire narrative of the show based purely on prediction. If you did, I'm impressed, and would ask, why haven't you been writing in this thread since the beginning of season 2?


and please, it's an 'infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters'

[Fading]

Exactly. If Lee is a Cylon, then one of his parents is a Cylon (making the final Cylon either Bill Adama or Mama Adama).

It wouldn't make sense unless it was a silence of the lambs style Lee suit he was wearing. Or the cylon killed Lee and took his place. The only possible swerve that would make sense. Either way I doubt it's him, not many episodes until it's wrapped up. If they added on that, it would just open up a ton of other questions right before the show ends, like if Lee is one then what about his father? How did they get to Lee, when, etc.


I agree with Darth's post, I'm getting worried about the delivery. At this point I'm caring less who it is, and more about how they reveal it and how much sense it makes. Manic is right that someone in here has guessed it, if not multiple ppl, I doubt the reveal surprises me a ton as I've probably heard the name tossed around before.

I just hope it's not someone chosen for shocks sake, but someone who actually adds to the story.

[Manic]

If Lee is a Cylon, then that presents the question "if the Cylons can find a replace certain people, why did they only replace Lee?"

[ariellem]

Lee is pretty well situated without being SO important that a flaw in his programming would be instantly apparent to high-ranking humans.

[Pink Ranger]

I have always thought Lee was the fifth all along. My reasoning is as follows (it's not a spoiler, only speculation, but I'm tagging it anyway, so people can choose not to see it):


Lee is not Bill Adama's biological son. When Bill recounts his story about discovering the early attempts to make human cylons in Razor, he is leaving out one essential detail: he found a baby there, and took it as his own. He's never wanted to tell Lee the truth, and because he has felt all along, until Tigh told him the truth, that Cylons don't age, he's never seen the connection there, or maybe he loves his son so much that he has suppressed the truth from his own mind.

[Darthphere]

I have always thought Lee was the fifth all along. My reasoning is as follows (it's not a spoiler, only speculation, but I'm tagging it anyway, so people can choose not to see it):


Lee is not Bill Adama's biological son. When Bill recounts his story about discovering the early attempts to make human cylons in Razor, he is leaving out one essential detail: he found a baby there, and took it as his own. He's never wanted to tell Lee the truth, and because he has felt all along, until Tigh told him the truth, that Cylons don't age, he's never seen the connection there, or maybe he loves his son so much that he has suppressed the truth from his own mind.

Hmmm, wasn't the kid from Razor a girl? Even then, it's kind of fishy, because as Razor showed, they had yet to perfect the human hybrid cylons. Also, I don't think they would have left such an important plot point in Razor considering that while part of the series, really isn't part of the series. I confused myself.

[Jodo]

Hey guys, its my first time posting in the BSG thread here, but I'm a big BSG dork. :D

I still like Joseph Adama as the Final Cylon....But the new F5 "clue site" says otherwise....(Spoiler beware) -
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/

And also, here's my BSG prop collection you guys might be intrested in seeing :
Patches,etc. :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/jodok/Battlestar%20Galactica/Collection002.jpg
Enlisted Ranks :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/jodok/Battlestar%20Galactica/Collection001.jpg
Officer Ranks (I've sence receive the LT pins) :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/jodok/Battlestar%20Galactica/Ranks001.jpg
FN 5.7's :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/jodok/Battlestar%20Galactica/FullDownload585.jpg
CX-4 :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/jodok/Battlestar%20Galactica/BSG%20MISC/cropped.jpg
Razor Tactical Shirts :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/jodok/Battlestar%20Galactica/BSG%20MISC/FullDownload592.jpg

I also have a complete BSG marine, but I don't have any good pics. of it. :oldrazz:

[Superfreak]

I have always thought Lee was the fifth all along. My reasoning is as follows (it's not a spoiler, only speculation, but I'm tagging it anyway, so people can choose not to see it):


Lee is not Bill Adama's biological son. When Bill recounts his story about discovering the early attempts to make human cylons in Razor, he is leaving out one essential detail: he found a baby there, and took it as his own. He's never wanted to tell Lee the truth, and because he has felt all along, until Tigh told him the truth, that Cylons don't age, he's never seen the connection there, or maybe he loves his son so much that he has suppressed the truth from his own mind.

Lee has nothing to redeem himself for. Of anyone in the whole story, he should really be the least morally guilty person on the show. Otherwise, his moral lapses are no greater than any other normal human.

Baltar is the only one I really see who is actively seeking redemption on the show.

[LadyVader]

I do find it interesting that during the course of the series Lee has come to separate himself more and more from his father, to the point where he is in the position to become president of the colonies. Shifting so much power towards him and making him the Final Cylon would make for an interesting turn of events. Everybody loves Lee, right? :)

[Evelisse]

Lee is one of the few members of the show that I wouldn't mind being a cylon, with this much suspense left I really want the final cylon to be one of the main important characters of the show and yet not be the Admiral nor Roslin.

[EdRyder]

Lee has nothing to redeem himself for. Of anyone in the whole story, he should really be the least morally guilty person on the show. Otherwise, his moral lapses are no greater than any other normal human.

Baltar is the only one I really see who is actively seeking redemption on the show.

Your response to PR's post had me thinkin.
Leoben did say "Adama is a cylon" right before Roslin airlocked him.It is true that it doesnt seem to fit the hybrids description.And Lee is also in the last supper photo.However,..(Im going to seperate these spoilers in a blackout because they are actual spoilers so read at your own risk.Based on spoilers around over at Patriot Resource,the crew comes to suspect Lee is a cylon.

[Manic]

But Leoben wouldn't have known that Adama (be it Lee or Bill) was a Cylon. No one but D'Anna knew who the Final 5 are, and even she wouldn't find out for another couple of seasons.

[Superfreak]

Your response to PR's post had me thinkin.
Leoben did say "Adama is a cylon" right before Roslin airlocked him.It is true that it doesnt seem to fit the hybrids description.And Lee is also in the last supper photo.However,..(Im going to seperate these spoilers in a blackout because they are actual spoilers so read at your own risk.Based on spoilers around over at Patriot Resource,the crew comes to suspect Lee is a cylon.

I'm thinking that is misdirection.

[ttotheusher]

Although, to be fair, Leoben's always been tuned into a different wavelength to everyone else.