The Battlestar Galactica and Caprica Discussion Thread

[blksuperman2]

Read a theory there might more to Dualla's death than meets the eye. The thinking is that she too had a flashback when she dug up the jacks on Earth (they made a point of focusing on them again when Lee went to her corpse), plus her comment on the pictures of herself as a child and her father before blowing her brains out. The flashback maybe being that she saw herself as a child in the past.


This is an interesting idea. She said something similar to Hera when she was baby sitting her in the beginning of the episode. Something along the lines that Hera didn't know what has happened. Today was just another day to her.

[Angry Sentinel]

When they revealed that Earth was a Cylon planet, my initial thought was that their Earth is our Earth, future humans created Cylons and basically enslaved them, they became sentient and drove the humans off of Earth, and Cylon society flourished on Earth while the humans found new homes on the colonies. I like Angry Sentinel's idea that the humans found Earth 2000 years ago and annihilated it, and then Earth passed out of future generations' collective memory and into myth. I'm still not sure what it means that 5 Earth Cylons were reborn into human civilization on the colonies, though...
I was just extending my theory, not really sure how the five came to be with the Colonies over 2,000 years later, way across the galaxy. So I am trying to imagine a way for this to have happened. I actually like the suggestion by Superfreak that they were more evolved and actually found a way to be reborn and not just downloaded. Maybe the reason it took so long is because they had to wait for technology to reach a certain level.

But it probably has more to do with Hera or the exile form Kobol. Either of these things could turn into huge parts of the story.

And I don't really want the Starbuck, and premonitions to be resolved with an alien or supernatural plot device. But I just don't know if there will be any technological way to explain things like premonitions or Baltar's Subconcious Six.

[Superfreak]

I was just extending my theory, not really sure how the five came to be with the Colonies over 2,000 years later, way across the galaxy. So I am trying to imagine a way for this to have happened. I actually like the suggestion by Superfreak that they were more evolved and actually found a way to be reborn and not just downloaded. Maybe the reason it took so long is because they had to wait for technology to reach a certain level.



perhaps they needed to wait until successive generations of humans interbreding resulted in their specific DNAs to be born. If that makes sense. (ie. I am a result not only of my parents breeding, but all zillions of generations that have been breeding before them: just reverse that).



in the end, I don't care if the explanation is supernatural or scientific (I wouldn't bank on it being aliens). Just as long as it makes sense. Just as long as all the loose ends tie up nice and neat.

[BlackLantern]

yes....and sadly enough, dropping the Galactica into the planets atmosphere will not solve this problem....

[Superfreak]

And I don't really want the Starbuck, and premonitions to be resolved with an alien or supernatural plot device. But I just don't know if there will be any technological way to explain things like premonitions or Baltar's Subconcious Six.

even more difficult, is explaining away the president's visions. She was on cracked out chemo, but it doesn't explain how she was seeing the right things at the right time.

[Superfreak]

yes....and sadly enough, dropping the Galactica into the planets atmosphere will not solve this problem....

Adama's still got lay the smack down on the rest of the cylons

[BlackLantern]

I was having a conversation with some people as to a name for that...

1. The Galactica drops it like its hot

2. Holy **** what the **** is that!!!!

3. The Adama Cylon Donkey Punch

[Manic]

In hindsight, maybe it's a good thing they didn't make a big deal out of Tyrol & Cally's baby.

[BlackLantern]

It's "Be an *******" day on Galatica....

[Manic]

Ewww, old people sex.



'bout time, though.

[BlackLantern]

yea...pretty much....I gagged a tiny bit

[Movies205]

You know it saddens me that someone said there not going give it a happy ending, almost makes me o want watch anymore :(

[BlackLantern]

what made you think this show would get a happy ending?? I've never thought that....

[Movies205]

what made you think this show would get a happy ending?? I've never thought that....

I wasn't expecting they find earth and everything's hunky dory, but perhaps they find a planet to settle on, as for why? Because I invested my time and energy into watching it and I think almost all stories should end with some type of resolve unless for good reason like for example The Bicycle Thief, The Wrestler, or something like that...

[huskerwebhead]

I wasn't expecting they find earth and everything's hunky dory, but perhaps they find a planet to settle on, as for why? Because I invested my time and energy into watching it and I think almost all stories should end with some type of resolve unless for good reason like for example The Bicycle Thief, The Wrestler, or something like that...

Sucks, but luckily after watching The Shield this year I'm a little more prepared for it. Not a "happy" ending there either.

[Manic]

I'm expecting a bitter sweet ending, myself. "Things aren't good, but they're on the road to make things better one day in the far future. Oh, and hint hint-- this whole cycle will start all over again."

That, or everyone dies.

[echostation]

gaeta and zarek will start a civil war most likely and pretty much nearly everyone will die

[Fading]

Last nights episode was good, but after last weeks kick ass episode this week just felt like filler to set up next week. Also, yes :(....old ppl sex.


I'm still having a hard time caring what Gaeta does. Not trying to be anti him, but I've just found the character dull from pretty much the beginning...and now he's kinda the main villain (until the other cylons catch up)...my main hope is he dies next episode lol. Still like Zareck's character tho.



As for BSG having a happy ending, I didn't really expect it to either. I mean I guess a part of me expected them to live on Earth, but not before a massive battle where Cylons killed all but a few hundred of them. I never really expected happy, just satisfying closure. Tho I would like to see some of them survive to carry the human race on, but would be fine if everyone died too if done right.

[BlackLantern]

Ive always liked Tom Zarek, and it will be interesting to see the struggle between him and Roslyn

[Superfreak]

I wanna see the old man push Gaeta out an air lock, it's gotta happen sooner or later, unless Gaeta wins

[echostation]

superfreak I second what you say... Gaeta sucks ass....

[Superfreak]

I'm expecting a bitter sweet ending, myself. "Things aren't good, but they're on the road to make things better one day in the far future. Oh, and hint hint-- this whole cycle will start all over again."

That, or everyone dies.

indeed... and I think we're seeing the split before the cycle. The 'anti cylon humans' will return to the 12 colonies, and continue on their cycle of hate. And those that are accepting will return to earth and restart the cylon/human civilization.


love the Kara and Gaeta confrontation... 'I've got no problem pounding on a gimp'

and loved how Nicholas turned out to be Callie and Hotdog's love child. That was an interesting twist... and just like Heroes, we end up with a dual father, no mother family.

[Superfreak]

superfreak I second what you say... Gaeta sucks ass....

no, it's not that I dislike the character, I just can't wait to see Adama get really pissed. I can see nothing that would piss him off more than a mutiny on his own ship.

moreover, I like how Gaeta has gone from being one of the most liberal and open minded people on the show, and has now, after the events of the show, become the most conservative douche bag in the galaxy. He's quite interesting I find as a character, but I dislike him now, because he has gone from being the loyal protagonist, to backstabbing bastard.

[Evelisse]

I don't need a happy fairytale ending, I understand the show is dark, but I really do wish that it ends with a sense of hope of somekind. No matter how bad things got on Galactica there was that ever so slight chance of hope that things would eventually get better in the future. I mean really what would be the point if they are destined to all die after everything they've been through, if that's the case then Dee had the right idea.

[The Lizard]

I don't know ... I've tried several times to get into this show, and I tried again over the last couple eps, but I just can't do it for some reason. The melodrama and emotional angst just seems forced and contrived to me.

Plus I'm constantly annoyed by all the 20th Century tools, decor and culture exhibited in this supposedly futuristic race of humans. Oh well.

[Angry Sentinel]

even more difficult, is explaining away the president's visions. She was on cracked out chemo, but it doesn't explain how she was seeing the right things at the right time.
I hate to admit it, but sometimes I think they dug a whole too convoluted to get out of. I noticed that these episodes have attempted to do a lot of retconning and passed it off as resolutions.

Anyway, I agree with you, I hope that it all makes sense by the finale.

As for last nights ep.. It was really interesting. I am glad they mentioned more about the suicides. It gave more credence and power to what was shown with Dee.

The new conflict was inevitable. I think it will not completely resolve itself until the Cast and crew find out that it was the Humans who attempted to exterminate the Cylons first on Earth. Then they will be forced to face the fact that they have been crappy to each other. And hopefully it will be enough to end the constant bickering.

[The Apocalypse]

I can't say I care much about Zarak and Gaeta. Season 1 Zarak tried being important he failed. Same thing in season 2, 3 and 4.0. There are better things to tell a story about in BSG then the fleet splitting once again.

[Superfreak]

I hate to admit it, but sometimes I think they dug a whole too convoluted to get out of. I noticed that these episodes have attempted to do a lot of retconning and passed it off as resolutions.

Anyway, I agree with you, I hope that it all makes sense by the finale.

As for last nights ep.. It was really interesting. I am glad they mentioned more about the suicides. It gave more credence and power to what was shown with Dee.

The new conflict was inevitable. I think it will not completely resolve itself until the Cast and crew find out that it was the Humans who attempted to exterminate the Cylons first on Earth. Then they will be forced to face the fact that they have been crappy to each other. And hopefully it will be enough to end the constant bickering.

well, we still don't really know why the 12 colonies were annihilated either. If there is to be a resolution to this issue before the Evil 4 Cylons show up with the rest of the cylon fleet, it would have to do with the disclosure of that information. Why did you wipe us out?


then there's earth...





and an even deeper question: did Ellen know she was a cylon?

[EdRyder]

I hate to admit it, but sometimes I think they dug a whole too convoluted to get out of. I noticed that these episodes have attempted to do a lot of retconning and passed it off as resolutions.

Anyway, I agree with you, I hope that it all makes sense by the finale.

As for last nights ep.. It was really interesting. I am glad they mentioned more about the suicides. It gave more credence and power to what was shown with Dee.

The new conflict was inevitable. I think it will not completely resolve itself until the Cast and crew find out that it was the Humans who attempted to exterminate the Cylons first on Earth. Then they will be forced to face the fact that they have been crappy to each other. And hopefully it will be enough to end the constant bickering.

I dont believe much will be resolved at all in the end of this.Doesnt mean Im not excited for the way things are turning out, quite the contrary. :woot:

I think the shows current state was inevitable.They took us ,the viewers and the crew on this journey to the promised land that blew up in our face.I love the unresolved state of everything! It destroyed Roslin.Killed Dee. Driven character after character out of their minds... The writers strike was the best thing that could've happened to BSG fans.There will be no resolution.
I think a great majority of whats going to happen boils down to how you can interpret "All along the Watchtower". Which in my mind is: There is no way out of this world of chaos, but Death.

[EdRyder]

All along the Watchtower.
"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

It can be interpreted as such: The Joker is Jesus , the Thief is the Thief who was crucified next to him.How Do I know The Joker is Jesus?: The Parable of the Tenants from the book of Mark.
Then Jesus began telling them stories: "A man planted a vineyard, built a wall around it, dug a pit for pressing out the grape juice, and built a lookout tower. Then he leased the vineyard to tenant farmers and moved to another country.

2 At grape-picking time he sent one of his servants to collect his share of the crop.

3 But the farmers grabbed the servant, beat him up, and sent him back empty-handed.

4 "The owner then sent another servant, but they beat him over the head and treated him shamefully.

5 The next servant he sent was killed. Others who were sent were either beaten or killed,

6 until there was only one left--his son whom he loved dearly. The owner finally sent him, thinking, `Surely they will respect my son.'

7 "But the farmers said to one another, `Here comes the heir to this estate. Let's kill him and get the estate for ourselves!'

8 So they grabbed him and murdered him and threw his body out of the vineyard.

9 "What do you suppose the owner of the vineyard will do?" Jesus asked. "I'll tell you--he will come and kill them all and lease the vineyard to others.

The Landowner- God
The Vineyard - His Kingdom
The Servants- The Faithful
The Tenants- Those Who reject him

The Two Riders -Death and Hades

[Superfreak]

All along the Watchtower.
"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

It can be interpreted as such: The Joker is Jesus , the Thief is the Thief who was crucified next to him.How Do I know The Joker is Jesus?: The Parable of the Tenants from the book of Mark.
Then Jesus began telling them stories: "A man planted a vineyard, built a wall around it, dug a pit for pressing out the grape juice, and built a lookout tower. Then he leased the vineyard to tenant farmers and moved to another country.

2 At grape-picking time he sent one of his servants to collect his share of the crop.

3 But the farmers grabbed the servant, beat him up, and sent him back empty-handed.

4 "The owner then sent another servant, but they beat him over the head and treated him shamefully.

5 The next servant he sent was killed. Others who were sent were either beaten or killed,

6 until there was only one left--his son whom he loved dearly. The owner finally sent him, thinking, `Surely they will respect my son.'

7 "But the farmers said to one another, `Here comes the heir to this estate. Let's kill him and get the estate for ourselves!'

8 So they grabbed him and murdered him and threw his body out of the vineyard.

9 "What do you suppose the owner of the vineyard will do?" Jesus asked. "I'll tell you--he will come and kill them all and lease the vineyard to others.

The Landowner- God
The Vineyard - His Kingdom
The Servants- The Faithful
The Tenants- Those Who reject him

The Two Riders -Death and Hades

so starbuck is jesus...????

[EdRyder]

so starbuck is jesus...????

Sure, why not. :oldrazz:


Nah. Thats just my interpretation of the song.As I said above: There is no escape, no way out of any of this.We all share the same fate, death.

[Superfreak]

Sure, why not. :oldrazz:


Nah. Thats just my interpretation of the song.As I said above: There is no escape, no way out of any of this.We all share the same fate, death.

I kind of interpret as the two who are conversing will get out of 'this'... everybody else is stuck in the loop, when applied to bsg

[EdRyder]

I kind of interpret as the two who are conversing will get out of 'this'... everybody else is stuck in the loop, when applied to bsg

Just not how I see it. The thief is asking the joker to relax and just accept their fate. As it applies to Galactica:"This has all happened before , and it will all happen again."

[BlackLantern]

The passage about a "dying leader showing humanity the path"....maybe that doesn't mean Roslyn...maybe it means Starbuck....

[C. Lee]

The passage about a "dying leader showing humanity the path"....maybe that doesn't mean Roslyn...maybe it means Starbuck....

Adama...he isn't looking too good the last couple of episodes....he's even popping some pills to help him through the day.

[BlackLantern]

probably....the Old Man is looking a bit worn these days, apparently he's got enough to tap that Presidential booty....

[Manic]

The passage about a "dying leader showing humanity the path"....maybe that doesn't mean Roslyn...maybe it means Starbuck....

Adama...he isn't looking too good the last couple of episodes....he's even popping some pills to help him through the day.
Dying matriarch. The prophecy said it was a dying matriarch. The reference to a woman is the very thing that kept Roslin (the only woman in charge) in power, as opposed to some dude.

[Superfreak]

Just not how I see it. The thief is asking the joker to relax and just accept their fate. As it applies to Galactica:"This has all happened before , and it will all happen again."

'we've been through that, and this is not our fate'

[elgaz]

probably....the Old Man is looking a bit worn these days, apparently he's got enough to tap that Presidential booty....

Maybe that's why he's on the pills .................. that presidential booty is keeping him up all night

[BlackLantern]

I love how Baltar has become this pseudo religious figure, considering his start as a man of science....

I've never viewed Baltar as a villain directly....just that Gaius Baltar is concerned with the survival and advancement of Gaius Baltar only

[EdRyder]

'we've been through that, and this is not our fate'
Which I take as we been through trying "to get out of here". "So let us not talk falsely now."
And then in the end of the song a wildcat growls in the distance,followed by two riders with the wind howling..Doesnt sound like a good thing.I dont think their coming to rescue the Joker and the Thief.

In all seriousness, This is what I think is going on at this point;

The Holocaust on Earth wasn't an attack on mankind from the Cylons.It was man vs man.Those polytheistic earthlings versus the monotheistic earthlings.The monos developed a method of cloning through Cylon technology that is able to "download" the memories of people ala the skin jobs and the resurrection ship. The surviving poly refugees settled on Caprica.2000 years later those "Skin Jobs" Attacked Caprica out of revenge.


I dont think theres going to be a 'happy ending.' I do think there will be a small group of "survivors" in the final episode , most likely led by Lee ,that settle on another planet like New Caprica.

[Sawyer]

I genuinely cant wait to see Felix die.

[Superfreak]

Which I take as we been through trying "to get out of here". "So let us not talk falsely now."
And then in the end of the song a wildcat growls in the distance,followed by two riders with the wind howling..Doesnt sound like a good thing.I dont think their coming to rescue the Joker and the Thief.

In all seriousness, This is what I think is going on at this point;

The Holocaust on Earth wasn't an attack on mankind from the Cylons.It was man vs man.Those polytheistic earthlings versus the monotheistic earthlings.The monos developed a method of cloning through Cylon technology that is able to "download" the memories of people ala the skin jobs and the resurrection ship. The surviving poly refugees settled on Caprica.2000 years later those "Skin Jobs" Attacked Caprica out of revenge.


I dont think theres going to be a 'happy ending.' I do think there will be a small group of "survivors" in the final episode , most likely led by Lee ,that settle on another planet like New Caprica.




way way way back at the beginning of this thread, we had a discussion that was based on this point: 'if you were on earth, and discovered a fleet of ships, with 50000 troops coming to invade your planet, what would you do?'

the answer was: build a race of robots to intercept them.

this is kind of leading in the same direction. I think any ending for these people, is a happy ending, just because it will all stop.

this also kind of again points in the direction of an adaptation of Iblis and the ship of lights.


I just got to say, although I'm enjoying the character development going on... I hope next episode starts the final narrative drive. I mean really, there is only 8, 42 minute episodes left. I'm sure they've got this all planned out and whatnot. I expect nothing less from mr. moore. And next week, things certainly look like they're starting to move. I just have so many questions, and there is so little time remaining for them to be answered(unless its a MEGA FINALE)

[Superfreak]

I genuinely cant wait to see Felix die.

oh, it's gonna be sooooo good. And you gotta know, SB's gonna get a shot in there at some point. I know it's totally wrong, but I'm hoping someone kicks his peg leg out from under him at some point.

[Angry Sentinel]

well, we still don't really know why the 12 colonies were annihilated either. If there is to be a resolution to this issue before the Evil 4 Cylons show up with the rest of the cylon fleet, it would have to do with the disclosure of that information. Why did you wipe us out?

then there's earth...

and an even deeper question: did Ellen know she was a cylon? True, the answer could definitely be.. "because you Nuked us first... you just forgot to write about it"

I dont believe much will be resolved at all in the end of this.Doesnt mean Im not excited for the way things are turning out, quite the contrary. :woot:

I think the shows current state was inevitable.They took us ,the viewers and the crew on this journey to the promised land that blew up in our face.I love the unresolved state of everything! It destroyed Roslin.Killed Dee. Driven character after character out of their minds... The writers strike was the best thing that could've happened to BSG fans.There will be no resolution.
I think a great majority of whats going to happen boils down to how you can interpret "All along the Watchtower". Which in my mind is: There is no way out of this world of chaos, but Death. Even if the show ends without a definite resolution, it will NEED to answer certain questions that it has been dragging us through... that is the only resolution I'm talking about, closure.

so starbuck is jesus...???? HA! good one!

I love how Baltar has become this pseudo religious figure, considering his start as a man of science....

I've never viewed Baltar as a villain directly....just that Gaius Baltar is concerned with the survival and advancement of Gaius Baltar only Exactly, and as it turns out he doesn't believe in either; science nor religion... just Baltar, a man all for himself!

[phoenixflight]

I read that in a podcast they confirmed that Number 3 stayed on Earth? WOW...is D'Anna's storyline really done?? Loved her.

I also feel that although they never confirmed a 'Number 7' Cylon model they will make the Sharon's that stated with Cavil Number 7's...that is truly a conflicted model type.

[EdRyder]

I read that in a podcast they confirmed that Number 3 stayed on Earth? WOW...is D'Anna's storyline really done?? Loved her.



Sadly, yes. Moore said that D'Anna lived out the remaining years of her life on Earth and we wont be seeing her again.
I loved Lawless too.I never imagined she could actually act(my Xena bias) and I can only hope she's got some roles out there for her in the future.

[Superfreak]

I also feel that although they never confirmed a 'Number 7' Cylon model they will make the Sharon's that stated with Cavil Number 7's...that is truly a conflicted model type.

2 second google search: 1)Cavill 2)Leoben 3)Lucy Flawless 4)Simon 5)Doral 6)Caprica 7) boomer

it would have been nice if D'anna had atleast confirmed that Ellen was the final cylon, and to explain why she was apologizing, although it's probably clear that she was apologizing to Tigh, for taking his eye, and forcing him to kill his wife, and the potential final cylon.

[LadyVader]

oh, it's gonna be sooooo good. And you gotta know, SB's gonna get a shot in there at some point. I know it's totally wrong, but I'm hoping someone kicks his peg leg out from under him at some point.

Wow, such hate. :) I can't bring myself to hate the character. His turn feels forced (I mean come on... he just NOW brings himself to start getting on Starbuck's case?) so it's not the character's fault but rather the writers.

I don't understand why they couldn't have had Hoshi be the one that starts working the revolt angle. I mean he doesn't have the same loyalty towards Galactica that Gaeta is supposed to have and fans are not as emotionally invested in him as they are in Gaeta. People actually like Gaeta, he was a hero during the occupation of New Caprica.

Why turn him into a villain especially if it feels like such a sloppy job? Unless they're planing on bringing him back at the last second.

[Superfreak]

Wow, such hate. :) I can't bring myself to hate the character. His turn feels forced (I mean come on... he just NOW brings himself to start getting on Starbuck's case?) so it's not the character's fault but rather the writers.

I don't understand why they couldn't have had Hoshi be the one that starts working the revolt angle. I mean he doesn't have the same loyalty towards Galactica that Gaeta is supposed to have and fans are not as emotionally invested in him as they are in Gaeta. People actually like Gaeta, he was a hero during the occupation of New Caprica.

Why turn him into a villain especially if it feels like such a sloppy job? Unless they're planing on bringing him back at the last second.

I dunno, it seems like they've been building on this for a while, when you look back. 1) there was his question about the occupation... was he a colaborater, or was he a resistance fighter? 2) his distrust was growing on the Demetrius, to the point where he mutinied, and got shot. 3)now the webisodes revealed that he was equally as guilty during the occupation as he was innocent 4) seems like he's going to start another more successful mutiny.

It's not like this hasn't been building for a while... it's kind of like the chief being one of the final 4. It was kind of obvious, but not definitive, character development.

I don't hate Gaeta, but I'm still seeking some explanation about his shift in motivation after the webisodes. And the only reason I'm looking forward to his being beaten upon, is because he is about to cross everybody on the show who seems like a reasonable person, and the old man. You cross bill, you deserve a good smack down. I mean you gotta know that Helo, Athena and Hera are going to be primary targets for this 'revolution'. It's not gonna be pretty, and it's going to all be Gaeta's fault.

[LadyVader]

Oh, I doubt it's going to be all Gaeta's fault. Fact is Roslin and Adama do lead the Fleet without consulting with anybody ever, and until now that was accepted because supposedly Roslin was chosen by the gods, she was fulfilling a prophecy etc.

Without that back up, Adama and Roslin (mostly Adama) have no right to continue to apply the same type of leadership. Look how that worked out for Kain. If the people of the fleet don't want to accept the Cylons as allies anymore, they shouldn't be forced. In this instance I think that Adama should really listen to the people.

After all, Cylons are just as likely to turn on them should the OTHER Cylons come looking for them.

[BlackLantern]

Im fairly neutral about Gaeta as he really didn't become a player until season 3....and I have always liked Tom Zarek and it will be fun to see how this goes and that Zarek is finally making his power grab...

[wobbly]

Oh, I doubt it's going to be all Gaeta's fault. Fact is Roslin and Adama do lead the Fleet without consulting with anybody ever, and until now that was accepted because supposedly Roslin was chosen by the gods, she was fulfilling a prophecy etc.

Without that back up, Adama and Roslin (mostly Adama) have no right to continue to apply the same type of leadership. Look how that worked out for Kain. If the people of the fleet don't want to accept the Cylons as allies anymore, they shouldn't be forced. In this instance I think that Adama should really listen to the people.

In theory, no they shouldn't be forced. However, they are not in a democracy where the leaders have the luxury of indulging the whims of a popular vote: they are in continuous struggle for survival with the Galactica being the fleets only protection, and the folly of ignoring this fact already exposed when Adama was forced (against his better judgement), to accept the fleet's (Baltar's) decision to settle on 'New Caprica'.

So at the end of the day, who has the more right to make a call on the future of the fleet: The man entrusted to help them survive (and proven time and again he can do just that), or some flavor of the month voted in suit, proven to frak things up?

After all, Cylons are just as likely to turn on them should the OTHER Cylons come looking for them.

I would agree the general populace would see it like that so mistrust would be inevitable. But for Adama and all the other significant players having insight on the rebel Cylons (who revere the final five), they know that these Cylons pretty much have no other option but to try and integrate into the fleet: Theres no going back to the others and nowhere else for them to go.

[LadyVader]

Thank you, the remaining Cylon models have more to gain from this than the humans. The only advantage to adding the Cylons to the fleet is the technological advantage which let's face it, if tehnology was such an issue than the humans wouldn't have lasted this long to begin with. Despite being numerically and technologically inferior to the Cylons... the humans STILL managed to kick their asses on several occasions.

I say the Cylons are dead weight. They're untrustworthy dead weight to boot. Mind f***ing a-holes the lot of them. Even D'anna, their supposed leader, doesn't trust them. Seriously, why integrate them in the fleet? Why go to that trouble knowing that it may cause another civil war. Lose them and find your own inhabitable planet.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd disagree if I hadn't seen that webisode series with Gaeta and that triflin' Sharon.

[Angry Sentinel]

It is more than technology though. You have to remember that sending the Cylons on their way now, could mean sending The Chief, Your number one Sol, an added flight pilot in Anders, and a political insider in Tory. All of which have integral knowledge and even possiblely secrets about the operation of the fleet.

Not to mention that Sol and Chief are vital to the day to day operations. None of this is totally compelling to keep these individuals, but they do add value to the fleet.

No matter how much they may not like it, the trouble making Cylons need to be accepted as much as any trouble making, hard headed, no-account human.

[BlackLantern]

Tyrol isn't the deck chief anymore....that guy from the Pegasus is....

[Fading]

Also there's the other half of the cylons to think about as well. When they catch up, the inside info from the cylons staying with the BSG fleet is going to be very valuable. In fact I'd guess they give a hint on some weakness with the ships that helps them survive the encounter.

Tho I agree that from the BSG fleets eyes, it would be better to cut them off. They did try to destroy the human race, and even lorded over the survivors after. There's not much to gain, and much more to lose by keeping them around. Then again, some humans are commiting suicide, most losing hope, so a lot of it is necessity. Adama may not want to keep the Cylons around, but that he has to looking at it from a realisitic perspective.

[LadyVader]

It is more than technology though. You have to remember that sending the Cylons on their way now, could mean sending The Chief, Your number one Sol, an added flight pilot in Anders, and a political insider in Tory. All of which have integral knowledge and even possiblely secrets about the operation of the fleet.

Not to mention that Sol and Chief are vital to the day to day operations. None of this is totally compelling to keep these individuals, but they do add value to the fleet.

No matter how much they may not like it, the trouble making Cylons need to be accepted as much as any trouble making, hard headed, no-account human.

When I say Cylons I mean the defective psychotic a-holes who made the decision to kill billions of people only to then turn around and start worshipping and/or playing head games with the survivors. The final five did none of that, and therefore should be able to choose their own fate. If they wanna go with the Cylons and be with their own kind, fine then let them. Since Tigh and the Chief have super cylon sperm and Anders must have it too, let them impregnate a couple of hundred Sharons and Sixes and Gods help them, the Cylons will wipe each other out.

[BlackLantern]

When I say Cylons I mean the defective psychotic a-holes who made the decision to kill billions of people only to then turn around and start worshipping and/or playing head games with the survivors. The final five did none of that, and therefore should be able to choose their own fate. If they wanna go with the Cylons and be with their own kind, fine then let them. Since Tigh and the Chief have super cylon sperm and Anders must have it too, let them impregnate a couple of hundred Sharons and Sixes and Gods help them, the Cylons will wipe each other out.

So say we all....:yay:

[blksuperman2]

THe chief doesn't have super sperm..............remember.:cwink:

[Superfreak]

THe chief doesn't have super sperm..............remember.:cwink:

Indeed, Callie was playing with the Hotdog.

[TheCorpulent1]

I always wondered why nobody made a big deal about Tyrol's kid when it came out that he was a Cylon. I thought it was just a plot hole and I overlooked it until last week's episode. It's nice that the creators are keeping track of the little things. :up:

[The Apocalypse]

Anyone think someone is going to try to kill Six's and Tigh's baby?

[BlackLantern]

Anyone think someone is going to try to kill Six's and Tigh's baby?

The line forms to the left

[Superfreak]

I was just surfing some spoilers, what few of them there are. We get a real two hour final episode (instead of them making the last 2 a 2 parter). So excited to see the old man and Tigh run around with machine guns on friday. And who knows how starbuck's gonna take the whole mutiny thing.

[TheCorpulent1]

Who knows how everyone else is gonna take the whole mysterious resurrection thing with Starbuck when they find out. :o

[Sawyer]

My favorite line of last friday:

"Are you enjoying yourself? Is this how you get your kicks these days? Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I meant half kicks."

Cripple jokes... always funny.

[BlackLantern]

My favorite line of last friday:

"Are you enjoying yourself? Is this how you get your kicks these days? Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I meant half kicks."

Cripple jokes... always funny.

I wait for an episode where Starbuck just walks around the Galactica with a bottle of booze while punching people in the face.....

[Sawyer]

I wait for an episode where Starbuck just walks around the Galactica with a bottle of booze while punching people in the face.....

God, what a perfect woman... a guy in personality, but at the same time a hot, hottt chick.

[BlackLantern]

I remember Dirk Benedict got all butthurt and wrote an article about Starbuck being a woman when the show first began...

[Sawyer]

I remember Dirk Benedict got all butthurt and wrote an article about Starbuck being a woman when the show first began...

Dirk Benedict is an old *****. :dry:

[Manic]

The new Starbuck is twice the man Benedict was.

[BlackLantern]

and three times the Viper pilot

[Sawyer]

With four times the character.

[Superfreak]

I don't think she's quite as ****ty as Dirk was though

[TheCorpulent1]

Meh. I appreciate that she's a b**** because that's the niche her character fills, but she's a really huge b****. I never really liked Starbuck that much. Adama, Baltar, and Tyrol were always my favorites.

[Evelisse]

This is awesome.

[Fading]

Didn't really think about how good of a position of power Gaeta was in for this until now, I mean he single handedly is keeping the entire bridge in the dark while everything goes down.

[BlackLantern]

I'm very upset that my baby Racetrack has sided with Gaeta....

[Evelisse]

there will be a reckoning

[Ratcrawler]

So what's with KFC's weird can't say frak on tv sweepstakes?

[BlackLantern]

Mutiny!!!! Starbuck should beat Gaeta to death with his stupid leg....

[Evelisse]

Adama with the quick trigger finger :P

[BlackLantern]

The Old Man will shoot you in the face....

[Fading]

I'm probably speaking too soon, but I thought the body count would be higher with a mutiny near the series finale in a bleak setting like this. Then again when control is gotten back by Adama, he did say there would be no forgiveness, so still room for it.

[Evelisse]

next friday can't get her soon enough

[Fading]

Ok, they did it again....just like last season...giving away TOO much info with the preview for next week. Unless they purposefully mislead, they just gave away a major death.

[Darthphere]

Saul ain't dead. And even if he was, they've set up some major **** with him and Ellen being the keys to Cylon resurrection.

[Backdrifter]

Wow, that was such a good episode! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. When Roslin decided to get back in the game... man such an awesome moment. She really hates Zarek! When Starbuck came in a started shooting marines up! Freakin awesome! She doesn't mess around.

Methinks Gaeta is a goner by series end.

I think this show is going to end with 13 factions departing ways like the legends went on Kobold.

[Manic]

Mutiny!!!! Starbuck should beat Gaeta to death with his stupid leg....
At first, I imagined her snatching the metal leg and hitting him with it. Then I realized how much more badass it would be if she broke off his remaining real leg and beat him with that.

[Superfreak]

The old man is quick, see how he took that marine down.

[Superfreak]

From Bear McCreary's BSG blog: 'The Oath required nearly 20 minutes of action score, and next week’s Blood on the Scales called for a staggering 25 minutes!', when this is usually around 7 minutes out of 30 minutes of score per episode.

me thinks there's gonna be mega death next week... well, maybe kilo death

[Superfreak]

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found this, thought it was amusing, could be fake.

[Fading]

Saul ain't dead. And even if he was, they've set up some major **** with him and Ellen being the keys to Cylon resurrection.

Ya know, I think you're right. It makes sense. I've seen rumors about Ellen coming back this season. Maybe he dies, and then next time we see him it's him waking up wherever Hellen and the ressurection spot she talked about in that flash back is. Then she hugs him, they go for a surprise "WTF" look on Saul's face, and somehow he brings her back to the fleet.

[Superfreak]

I've got BSG fever now. I didn't really have it before this episode. Gotta hand to the prod team. Every season, every arc of the series has began slowly. Everything iss always building up. I have to admit though, I was really looking forward to jumping right in at the first episode... but the 2 set up episodes really work well in hindsight, but not so well on their own, but that's irrelevant now.

The preview for next week looks off the hook. I can't wait.

[Superfreak]

Ya know, I think you're right. It makes sense. I've seen rumors about Ellen coming back this season. Maybe he dies, and then next time we see him it's him waking up wherever Hellen and the ressurection spot she talked about in that flash back is. Then she hugs him, they go for a surprise "WTF" look on Saul's face, and somehow he brings her back to the fleet.

I think it's another fake out, just like in revelations. Gaeta will be in a tough position. He can kill the cylons he's captured... but then what? If he does that, everybody's screwed anyways, as the baseship will respond accordingly. And if they kill the 6 and Hera, he's even more screwed. I don't think Gaeta has thought this out very well.

and I totally think that one of the core cast will be up for excecution, and that Hoshi will stand in the way, and Gaeta will kill him... or he'll get killed by accident, and Gaeta will break down.

And I have a feeling that the 'rapist' pegasus mutineer, will turn out to be a good guy... as alluded to by his concern about the gun fire.

And Hotdog is going to save the President and Baltar when they're caught in transit.

[BlackLantern]

I loved the conversation between Balter and Laura.....

[Superfreak]

I loved the conversation between Balter and Laura.....

also loved how he looked at, how everybody watched Adama and Roslin make out... that was a great scene.

[BlackLantern]

I was like "Tear it up, Bill!!!"

[Darthphere]

I think it's another fake out, just like in revelations. Gaeta will be in a tough position. He can kill the cylons he's captured... but then what? If he does that, everybody's screwed anyways, as the baseship will respond accordingly. And if they kill the 6 and Hera, he's even more screwed. I don't think Gaeta has thought this out very well.

and I totally think that one of the core cast will be up for excecution, and that Hoshi will stand in the way, and Gaeta will kill him... or he'll get killed by accident, and Gaeta will break down.

And I have a feeling that the 'rapist' pegasus mutineer, will turn out to be a good guy... as alluded to by his concern about the gun fire.

And Hotdog is going to save the President and Baltar when they're caught in transit.

I was thinking more like Apollo and Starbuck somehow found a Viper, but yeah, they were good mentioning that both Hot Dog and the Gaeta loyalist were on deck.

Seriously though, Gaeta is an idiot. If anyone should know you don't mess with the Old Man and Roslin it's him. I see an airlock in his future.

Roslin is badass enough to destroy Galactica. Crazy ****.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope Tigh doesn't really die in the next episode. I wouldn't even worry, except it's the final few episodes...

I'm glad Roslin snapped out of her emo phase pretty quickly. Bill's changed her. She's hardcore now. Hopefully she slaps Tori so hard her optical receptors pop out. Dirty frakkin' toaster b****. :o

[Superfreak]

I was thinking more like Apollo and Starbuck somehow found a Viper, but yeah, they were good mentioning that both Hot Dog and the Gaeta loyalist were on deck.

Seriously though, Gaeta is an idiot. If anyone should know you don't mess with the Old Man and Roslin it's him. I see an airlock in his future.

Roslin is badass enough to destroy Galactica. Crazy ****.

It's the Adama wonderbar (VUUNNNDAABAAA), it cured her cancer, and revived her political career in on scene.


I wonder what this secret Baltar is holding against Gaeta? They alluded to it a long time ago, after the occupation, and I think it was touched upon during Baltar's trial, when Gaeta testified. I wonder what the dilly is

[The Apocalypse]

It's the Adama wonderbar (VUUNNNDAABAAA), it cured her cancer, and revived her political career in on scene.


I wonder what this secret Baltar is holding against Gaeta? They alluded to it a long time ago, after the occupation, and I think it was touched upon during Baltar's trial, when Gaeta testified. I wonder what the dilly is

If you watched the mobisodes I heard it was that Gaeta was sleeping with an 8 model. I didn't actually watch it but my friend told me he did and that's what happened.

[Superfreak]

If you watched the mobisodes I heard it was that Gaeta was sleeping with an 8 model. I didn't actually watch it but my friend told me he did and that's what happened.

so that's the secret... I'm not convinced. If it is about the death lists that Gaeta was inadvertantly making for the 8, I don't think it's enough... there has to be some greater agenda behind it.

[TheCorpulent1]

The webisodes were about a trip Gaeta took for some R&R. Aboard the Raptor on his way there, a Sharon kills everyone else aboard and it turns out this Sharon and Gaeta were bumping uglies on New Caprica and Gaeta was feeding her information about imprisoned rebels, believing that she was aiding them. Turns out she was using him and having the other Cylons kill 90-something percent of those people. Baltar knew about it but let it continue for the very few people the Cylons spared or something. That's what he meant about the pen with Gaeta--he was an unwitting traitor.

Gaeta was scarred by the whole Raptor experience and between that, losing his leg, etc., he wound up angry and cynical and s***. The whole deal with the Cylons possibly becoming members of the fleet pushed him over the edge, it seems, and he resorted to desperate measures. That was his line in the sand, I guess.

[BlackLantern]

I hope Tigh doesn't really die in the next episode. I wouldn't even worry, except it's the final few episodes...

I'm glad Roslin snapped out of her emo phase pretty quickly. Bill's changed her. She's hardcore now. Hopefully she slaps Tori so hard her optical receptors pop out. Dirty frakkin' toaster b****. :o

:lmao:

[TheCorpulent1]

I still hate her for killing Callie. I'm apparently the only one who ever liked Callie. :(

[Darthphere]

Tori is so ****ing useless, who the **** made her the queen of the baseship?

[BlackLantern]

I still hate her for killing Callie. I'm apparently the only one who ever liked Callie. :(

Yes...you were

[Darthphere]

Why does Tori hate Roslin again? Because she was Roslin's *****? That was your job ****.

[BlackLantern]

Why does Tori hate Roslin again? Because she was Roslin's *****? That was your job ****.

Sleeping with Baltar does not make you a ****....most everyone has slept with Baltar....that reporter chick, Starbuck, 2 Sixs, D'anna, etc

[Fading]

Sleeping with Baltar does not make you a ****....most everyone has slept with Baltar....that reporter chick, Starbuck, 2 Sixs, D'anna, etc

We find out down the road that the reason Baltar even got a trial and wasn't airlocked was because he seduced the old man.

.....


gah....that mental image is just as bad as the old ppl sex scene.

[TheCorpulent1]

Tori is so ****ing useless, who the **** made her the queen of the baseship?
The Final Five are revered by all the Cylons, even if they are just useless bastards. Maybe they're meant to represent some kind of balance, given that the four in the fleet are two of the most awesome characters (Tigh and Tyrol) and two of the most worthless characters (Anders and Tori).

[Specter313]

If Gaeta doesn't get an airlock in his future by the end of the next ep, they'll have gone to lightly on him. I'm just going to love seeing Roslin go ape**** on him, Zarek, and their followers. Starbuck also needs to cap some more of Gaeta's lackeys like she did that marine and Skulls. I just love it when cocky *******s like them get cut down by someone badass like her.

[BlackLantern]

Tigh looked like hammered **** last night....more so than usual

[Specter313]

The Final Five are revered by all the Cylons, even if they are just useless bastards. Maybe they're meant to represent some kind of balance, given that the four in the fleet are two of the most awesome characters (Tigh and Tyrol) and two of the most worthless characters (Anders and Tori).

Heh, so where does Ellen fall on that scale?

[TheCorpulent1]

She's right at the center. On one hand, she's a ****ty b****, but on the other, she really, truly loves Tigh in her own f***ed up way, which makes her half-awesome by association.
If Gaeta doesn't get an airlock in his future by the end of the next ep, they'll have gone to lightly on him. I'm just going to love seeing Roslin go ape**** on him, Zarek, and their followers. Starbuck also needs to cap some more of Gaeta's lackeys like she did that marine and Skulls. I just love it when cocky *******s like them get cut down by someone badass like her.
I was hoping Starbuck would get shot, myself. I've liked her less and less over the seasons.

[Specter313]

I was hoping Starbuck would get shot, myself. I've liked her less and less over the seasons.

Yeah, I've found myself liking her less at times, but it just seems like she's gotten her groove back recently, with her "I will beat a cripple" talk to Gaeta last week and then watching her pull out her ammo from the locker, I was looking forward to a great beatdown from her like she was her old self.

[BlackLantern]

the fact that Starbuck keeps that much ammo in her locker is awesome.....I understand pilots have their sidearm and a few clips...but damn

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I've found myself liking her less at times, but it just seems like she's gotten her groove back recently, with her "I will beat a cripple" talk to Gaeta last week and then watching her pull out her ammo from the locker, I was looking forward to a great beatdown from her like she was her old self.
I always tend to recoil from the uber-badass archetype for some reason. I like my heroes to be a little less sure of themselves, I guess. I had to stop myself from cheering when Starbuck handed Lee the gun and when Tigh and Adama beat the s*** out of their captors. :)

[BlackLantern]

Olmos went 'American Me'(its a gang movie..look it up) last night and it was great

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, I loved it. The Geriatric Brigade wins again. :D

[BlackLantern]

anyone find it funny that 3 of the final five ran the resistance on New Caprica...Anders, Tyrol, and Tigh....

[TheCorpulent1]

I find it dramatically ironic.

I think Tori was involved in the resistance too, wasn't she?

[Darthphere]

By proxy of being Roslin's ***** aka whatever Billy was.

[BlackLantern]

Tori was still serving as Roslins aide and coordinating with the Resistance when needed

[Fading]

She's right at the center. On one hand, she's a ****ty b****, but on the other, she really, truly loves Tigh in her own f***ed up way, which makes her half-awesome by association.

I was hoping Starbuck would get shot, myself. I've liked her less and less over the seasons.

Yeah, not a fan of the angsty, drama riddled Starbuck either. She's at her best when knee deep in a fight and making smartass remarks. Which is odd because I'm not usually a fan of characters that have the personality of an action figure, but it just works for her.

[Sawyer]

Sleeping with Baltar does not make you a ****....most everyone has slept with Baltar....that reporter chick, Starbuck, 2 Sixs, D'anna, etc

No, but frakking Anders after his wife died and (most likely) trying to get into Tyrols pants while he was married does.

[Manic]

Olmos went 'American Me'(its a gang movie..look it up) last night and it was great
After watching last night's episode, I was like "Damn. I just got Olmos'd." Every time I forget just how badass he is, I get metaphorically kicked in the crotch within a few episodes.

[Superfreak]

No, but frakking Anders after his wife died and (most likely) trying to get into Tyrols pants while he was married does.

but clearly it was a wedding in name only... well that's how it turned out.

[BlackLantern]

Starbuck was cheating on Anders long long before all that started....she was riding Apollo's carriage...so to speak

[Superfreak]

Starbuck was cheating on Anders long long before all that started....she was riding Apollo's carriage...so to speak

she banged Apollo the night before she married Anders ha ha

[Sawyer]

All true, but Tori still = skank.

[BlackLantern]

Id agree....

[Sawyer]

I rather enjoyed Kara shooting Skulls after he said "Frak you". Some people just dont take kindly to that kind of insult. :D Heres hoping she does the same to Felix.

[BlackLantern]

Felix belongs to Adama....the Old Man will have vengeance

[Sawyer]

Felix belongs to Adama....the Old Man will have vengeance

God, that would be glorious. I'm just really hoping they dont pull some forgiveness crap on us. Maybe its just me being bloodthirsty, but I just wanna see Felix die.

[Manic]

I like to think Kara and Bill will both handle Felix.

I wanna see Lee and Laura kick Zarek's ass.

[Manic]

God, that would be glorious. I'm just really hoping they dont pull some forgiveness crap on us. Maybe its just me being bloodthirsty, but I just wanna see Felix die.
We all want to see Felix die.

[Sawyer]

I like to think Kara and Bill will both handle Felix.

I wanna see Lee and Laura kick Zarek's ass.

I'd probably cry tears of joy at such an event. It'd be like a big, happy family moment.
And heres hoping Helo blows the guys brains out that threatened to rape Sharon.
And Anders pimp slaps Seelix. Eeh, screw that. Make it closed fist.

[BlackLantern]

Seelix needs a good kicking....and sad to say, so does RaceTrack....

[Sawyer]

I really hope Starbuck dances on Gaeta's grave, as both a sign that she's happy and that she has, not one, but two legs.

[BlackLantern]

I know Roslin is sick, but I want to see her crack someone in the mouth....

[Sawyer]

I know Roslin is sick, but I want to see her crack someone in the mouth....

I'm sure she will. Maybe Tory.

[BlackLantern]

I saw a fan made Tshirt right after the election....it said Your President says 'Hope and Change and Yes We Can'...My President says 'Blow it out the airlock'

[Manic]

I don't get all the Tory hate. To me, she hasn't done enough to warrant a concrete opinion. Hell, I couldn't even remember who she was when they revealed she was a Cylon.

[blksuperman2]

Awesome Episode. Adama is so Gangsta it ain't even funny. And LOL Starbuck really is like a daughter to him. She was just as badazz as he was.

[Marvolo]

Awesome Episode. Adama is so Gangsta it ain't even funny. And LOL Starbuck really is like a daughter to him. She was just as badazz as he was.


I know right. Adama looked like he wanted to get his hands around everyones necks when they turned on him in the control room. Him and Saw both kicked ass. Starbuck was her old self again and I couldn't have been happier. When she shot Skull I was like hell yeah. I woulda shot them all for treason, but I was just wishing starbuck would have shot some more. And in the preview for next week Roslin looks liek she is about to kill everyone.

I want Adama to beat the **** out of Gaeta (sp) and then I want Starbuck to shoot him. I just want him dead, but I can't decide which I want to shoot him. I would like to see the fear in his eyes if Adama shoots him, because he is expecting Adama to forgive but he won't this time. Either way, I want him dead.

[Superfreak]

I know right. Adama looked like he wanted to get his hands around everyones necks when they turned on him in the control room. Him and Saw both kicked ass. Starbuck was her old self again and I couldn't have been happier. When she shot Skull I was like hell yeah. I woulda shot them all for treason, but I was just wishing starbuck would have shot some more. And in the preview for next week Roslin looks liek she is about to kill everyone.




interesting you didn't mention the suicidal kisses each made when meeting up with their counterparts.

[Superfreak]

I always tend to recoil from the uber-badass archetype for some reason. I like my heroes to be a little less sure of themselves, I guess. I had to stop myself from cheering when Starbuck handed Lee the gun and when Tigh and Adama beat the s*** out of their captors. :)

I dunno, SB's changed a lot. I liked her at the beginning, Drunk awesome pilot. And then she was the chosen one for a while, which was ok as well.

It's when she really turned into the trailer park ho, that I began to dislike her. It was around the same time that she married anders and got the tattoo. I guess the things leading up to NC, the experience on NC, and up to the point she died, I really hated her at this point in the series.

then she died, and I have actually enjoyed the 'find earth' part of her character. The part that is slowly going crazy, unless she is on the correct path.

[Jodo]

I deffintly love The Oath, one of the best episodes ever IMO. Bear McBattlestar said that next weeks episode will be even better, so I'm guessing it will proboly be my favorite episode. :D I just like the fact that KFC can't say FR*K on TV. LOL!

Next episode commercial spoilers! :
































Who the frak is this guy?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/jodok/Battlestar%20Galactica/BSG%20MISC/Guy.jpg
He looks like Liam Neeson and Richard Branson's love child.

[Superfreak]

I deffintly love The Oath, one of the best episodes ever IMO. Bear McBattlestar said that next weeks episode will be even better, so I'm guessing it will proboly be my favorite episode. :D I just like the fact that KFC can't say FR*K on TV. LOL!

Next episode commercial spoilers! :
































Who the frak is this guy?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/jodok/Battlestar%20Galactica/BSG%20MISC/Guy.jpg
He looks like Liam Neeson and Richard Branson's love child.

that's a Leoben, with a beard

[roach]

man i have never wanted a character to die like i want Gaetta to.

[Flash Facts]

I still hate her for killing Callie. I'm apparently the only one who ever liked Callie. :( I liked Cally. :ninja:

[Sawyer]

man i have never wanted a character to die like i want Gaetta to.

Thats really the funny thing about this show. They've made the cylons and Baltar out to be the villains from the start, and yet, I'd hate to see them die. I've never even so much as hated them. But Gaeta... he can burn in hell.

[888]

I like Gaeta, especially during the first season when he was just a nerd who hero worshipped Baltar.. I don't want him to die.

[Manic]

I can't hate Baltar because you can tell that every action he takes comes from two basic instincts: he wants to live and have sex. Giving up the defense codes that allowed the Cylons to destroy the 12 worlds? Sex. Helping the fleet defeat, avoid, and detect Cylons upon boarding the Galactica? Survival. Surrendering New Caprica during the Cylon occupation? Survival. Saving Gina-Six from the Pegasus? Sex. Starting a religious cult? Sex. Living among the Cylons? Survival, but also sex when Cappri-Six and D'Anna were giving it up.

His motives are transparent and only harmful when he has power given to him.


I hated some of the Cylons, but I couldn't hate all of them because Sharon showed that they're not heartless machines, and they're capable of changing their minds. Athena and Boomer in particular have gone against their own models several times. Capri-Six developed a sense of sympathy for the human race, and maybe even some guilt. Even Leoben doesn't see things quite as black and white as some of the other models.

I do hate Doral, Simon, Cavil, and Boomer, though. Boomer had my sympathy right up until she flipped out and tried to kill Hera just because she couldn't connect to her.


No character has made me feel the level of cathartic hatred that I feel for Felix Gaeta. His beliefs have changed more than any other character's on this show, and he embraces those new beliefs as if the old ones never existed. He's just a petty little idiot raging against everything. He's not a leader with flaws like Adama, Lee, Laura, Saul, Kara, or even Natalie-Six. He's a leader without direction or belief. He doesn't know what he wants. If his and Tom Zarek's alliance were to go all the way, he'd eventually turn against Zarek when he realized his way wasn't making him any happier, either. And he's not like Baltar where his bad decisions are only dangerous to other because he had power handed to him. His decisions are bad because he's seizing power toward ends even he can't see.

[Fading]

I just dislike Gaeta because he's dull. Every season they give him a new 'thing' to try and spice him up. He's got an important job on the bridge, he becomes a hero and traitor while on that planet, he tried to kill Baltar, he's suddenly an opera singer, now he's the leader of a mutiny more or less.

Every season they give Gaeta some major roll, like they're trying to shoe horn him into something interesting that he just can't pull off. I'm not saying he's a bad actor, I just find the actor + that role not to be a good mesh.

Gaeta doesn't come off as a war hardened guy who will kill everyone to prove his point during this mutiny. He comes off as a lost kid who's frustrated and just wants his way. I can't take Gaeta and his almost dry delivery as a serious threat. They can put him in major role after major role, but it just doesn't work for me.

To be fair Callie and to a lesser degree Tori are in the same boat.

[Sawyer]

I just dislike Gaeta because he's dull. Every season they give him a new 'thing' to try and spice him up. He's got an important job on the bridge, he becomes a hero and traitor while on that planet, he tried to kill Baltar, he's suddenly an opera singer, now he's the leader of a mutiny more or less.

Every season they give Gaeta some major role, like they're trying to shoe horn him into something interesting that he just can't pull off. I'm not saying he's a bad actor, I just find the actor + that role not to be a good mesh.

Gaeta doesn't come off as a war hardened guy who will kill everyone to prove his point during this mutiny. He comes off as a lost kid who's frustrated and just wants his way. I can't take Gaeta and his almost dry delivery as a serious threat. They can put him in major role after major role, but it just doesn't work for me.

To be fair Callie and to a lesser degree Tori are in the same boat.

Not really... for the first two seasons, he was barely more than an extra.

[Superfreak]

anybody think Baltar and Gaeta got together... Baltar is a total ****, and I would be suprised if he discriminates. Hence the 'very special pen'?

[BlackLantern]

anybody think Baltar and Gaeta got together... Baltar is a total ****, and I would be suprised if he discriminates. Hence the 'very special pen'?

no its something more than that....Gaeta seemed pretty freaked when Baltar mentioned it

[Darthphere]

When Baltar becomes the moral center of the show, you know **** has hit the fan.

[TheCorpulent1]

And yet it's so wonderfully appropriate, given that everything else has been stripped away from the survivors and all anyone has left is a pure, uncomplicated desire for survival. It just so happens that Adama and Roslin's plan for that now is the morally ambiguous one while Zarek and Gaeta's comes off as the morally righteous one. Role reversals are always fun. :up:

[Darthphere]

Except it doesn't.

[TheCorpulent1]

What doesn't?

[Darthphere]

Zarek and Gaeta's plan.

[BlackLantern]

When Baltar becomes the moral center of the show, you know **** has hit the fan.

:yay: and we shall all watch in wonder....

[LadyVader]

I just dislike Gaeta because he's dull. Every season they give him a new 'thing' to try and spice him up. He's got an important job on the bridge, he becomes a hero and traitor while on that planet, he tried to kill Baltar, he's suddenly an opera singer, now he's the leader of a mutiny more or less.

Every season they give Gaeta some major roll, like they're trying to shoe horn him into something interesting that he just can't pull off. I'm not saying he's a bad actor, I just find the actor + that role not to be a good mesh.

I find it funny that you seem to think that Gaeta being an opera singer is something major. The actor actually is an opera singer and there's no point in having an actor with that amount of talent and not give him a chance to show off a little.

But anyway, Gaeta isn't and has never been a major player in the show, IMO. Yes, he has been given stuff to do but no more so than Tyrol, Callie, or any of the other second stringers. Because he's kind of in the background he has been part of some relatively suprising twists and turns but I for never felt like they were trying to shoe horn him in anything.

I've always compared him to a more interesting Walter from the Stargate series. :)

Gaeta doesn't come off as a war hardened guy who will kill everyone to prove his point during this mutiny. He comes off as a lost kid who's frustrated and just wants his way. I can't take Gaeta and his almost dry delivery as a serious threat. They can put him in major role after major role, but it just doesn't work for me.

His personality are not what make him dangerous in this particular situation. His skill and his experience are. Honestly, when he was screaming at the admiral and Tigh was probably my least favourite part because I'm not used to seing him lose his temper, but Gaeta pretty much is the only guy in the fleet with the smarts to steal the fleet. And that's what I find interesting about him.

To be fair Callie and to a lesser degree Tori are in the same boat.


:whatever::csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Zarek and Gaeta's plan.
From the perspective of the other survivors, who are still blinded by fear of the Cylons and have lost faith in Adama and Roslin's leadership, it certainly comes off that way. They're removing a leadership that failed to deliver on its promises and now wants to formally welcome the people who decimated their civilization into the fleet.

[Darthphere]

To be fair, we've only seen the reactions of a few on the ship. Everyone else is dead.

[chosen1]

Starbuck kicked ass in the last Ep.

[Superfreak]

When Baltar becomes the moral center of the show, you know **** has hit the fan.

I disagree

Baltar is responsible for a number of 'bad' things. But for all his faults, he has always displayed guilt for the things he has done. Be it in public, to his personal 6, or just him being plain crazy from time to time, he has clearly always been troubled by the things he has done. A perfect example being his Harem, and the way he interacts with these women. He clearly doesn't want the worshipers, but at the same time, who's gonna give up a group of crazy religious freaks, who want to frak all the time?

This hasn't stopped him from being evil... but the idea that he feels bad about his actions, really solidifies his current direction as prophet to a new religion. Ironically, it is exactly what christianity is about: you can be bad, just as long as you feel bad about it.

This is something that is absent from a number of characters in the show, a lack of remorse, or empathy for others, due to ones actions.

[Superfreak]

From the perspective of the other survivors, who are still blinded by fear of the Cylons and have lost faith in Adama and Roslin's leadership, it certainly comes off that way. They're removing a leadership that failed to deliver on its promises and now wants to formally welcome the people who decimated their civilization into the fleet.

yeah, but one can be sure, that these 'people' do realize now that their options are severely limited (except for all the dumb inbred lower level soldiers, which isn't uncommon, even today). It's like the Allies and the Russians. Total opposites, yet given the situation, against common enemy, they must allie. In the case of BSG, that common enemy is now survival.

more over, I'd say the cylons and humans are pretty much even steven at this point. They nuked the colonies and killed all but 50000 of us humans... but at this point in the story, we humans have helped to eliminate cylon immortality.

As Roslin put in her speech, both sides are now screwed.

[Superfreak]

:whatever::csad:

agreed, Gaeta is a background character who has only just been brought to the forefront. He is much like walter, or sylar from SG1, just now he has an actual role among the leads

[Manic]

The difference is Walter the Chevron Guy is cool.

[Superfreak]

The difference is Walter the Chevron Guy is cool.


I always disliked him, I like Sylar, the guy who always gets hurt fixing the stupid gate

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, cool or not, at least Walter would never mutiny. :o

[Sawyer]

Starbuck kicked ass in the last Ep.

You're damn right she did.

[TheCorpulent1]

Tigh's crazy eye stole the show in last week's episode for me. :)

[Superfreak]

Tigh's crazy eye stole the show in last week's episode for me. :)

totally, the one eyed acting is brilliant. So many times this season he's had the one eye Shock look on his face, f'n great. But not as good as the time when Adama told him that 6 was preggers

[Superfreak]

You're damn right she did.

after SB went to her locker, I was seriously expecting a Starbuck-Centric episode with her going Die Hard, crawling through air ducks, collecting guns as she goes... all barefoot of course.

[Superfreak]

Well, cool or not, at least Walter would never mutiny. :o

yeah, but I'd hate walter just as much as I hate Gaeta now, if he successfully mutinied, but alas, in the SG universe, it would be so much tamer than in the BSG universe.

[TheCorpulent1]

totally, the one eyed acting is brilliant. So many times this season he's had the one eye Shock look on his face, f'n great. But not as good as the time when Adama told him that 6 was preggers
The scene where Roslin comes out from behind a wall in Bill's room did it for me. Holy s***, his eye looked like it could've shot out of his head and ricocheted around the room a few times. :D

[Sawyer]

As long as I get to see my favorite characters killing the **** outta people this friday, I'll be happy.

[BlackLantern]

Lee in his business suit kicking ass is quite fantastic....

[Sawyer]

Lee in his business suit kicking ass is quite fantastic....

Especially if I get to see him take down that prick Connor.

[BlackLantern]

Roslin should let Gaeta pick the airlock to be blown out of....

[Sawyer]

Roslin should let Gaeta pick the airlock to be blown out of....

That would, honestly, be my favorite moment of the series.

[BlackLantern]

my favorite moment so far, is Adama dropping the Galactica into New Capricas atmosphere and basically signaling the jailbreak....

[aaron]

ive only just started on season two
but wow
such an awesome show

[union_jak]

Aaron, stay out of this thread unless you want to be majorly spoilt!!

and make sure you watch the mini series!!

[ttotheusher]

Aaron, stay out of this thread unless you want to be majorly spoilt!!

and make sure you watch the mini series!!

It's funny, cause you have to watch the miniseries to watch the show, but I thought the miniseries was really boring. Although, I did watch it in one sitting.

[Sawyer]

My perfect ending to this weeks episode...

ADAMA: "I want you off the frakking ship, you prick."

GAETA: "I-I...."

ADAMA: "No, dont just be sorry. Think for one second. What the frak are you doing?! Are you professional or not?"

GAETA: "Hey..."

ADAMA: "NO! NO!!! Do I frakking walk around and rip your frakking peg-leg out from under you? Then why the frakk are you hopping around like duh duh-duh duh, like this in the background. What the frakk is it with you?! What dont you frakking understand?! You got any frakking idea about, hey, it's frakking distracting having somebody cause a mutiny on my ship in the middle of the frakking fleet. Give me a frakking answer! What dont you get about it?"

GAETA: "I-I just..."

ADAMA: "Oooohhh good for you! And how was it? I hope it was frakking good, because its useless now, isnt it? Frak sake, man, you're amateur."

GAETA: "W-well, I just..."

ADAMA:" I'm gonna frakking kick your frakking ass!"

*Tigh and Lee subdue Adama*

ADAMA: "Roslin, you got something to say to this prick?"

ROSLIN: "Airlock his ass."

THE END

[BlackLantern]

...they can tie him to the front of Starbucks Viper....

[Superfreak]

It's funny, cause you have to watch the miniseries to watch the show, but I thought the miniseries was really boring. Although, I did watch it in one sitting.

indeed, it was very rough, sometimes I wonder if people should watch the MS. But from the moment that the actual series starts, it's absolute mint.

[Superfreak]

...they can tie him to the front of Starbucks Viper....

Gaeta won't be excecuted... he'll suicide for sure.

[ttotheusher]

indeed, it was very rough, sometimes I wonder if people should watch the MS. But from the moment that the actual series starts, it's absolute mint.

Oh yea. I got the set for Christmas, so I felt obliged to watch the rest, and the first episode "33" blows the MS out of the water. I was hooked.

[TheCorpulent1]

Aaron, stay out of this thread unless you want to be majorly spoilt!!

and make sure you watch the mini series!!
Holy s***. You know something? I just realized that I've never watched the mini-series. I picked the show up with the first episode of season 1. :wow:

[BlackLantern]

I like the MS...

[Superfreak]

I like the MS...

like it all you want, the series itself is still infinitely better than the MS

[Superfreak]

Holy s***. You know something? I just realized that I've never watched the mini-series. I picked the show up with the first episode of season 1. :wow:

interesting this. You don't know how helo got stranded? How Baltar escaped? Wow, there's a lot of information in the MS. Seems interesting htat you haven't seen it

[TheCorpulent1]

Wait, I may have seen it. I remember how Helo got stranded and Baltar escaped (since it's the same thing), but I may just be remembering that from a recap before one of the series' episodes.

I'm gonna have to watch the mini-series (again) to be sure.

[Angry Sentinel]

Gaeta won't be excecuted... he'll suicide for sure.Yeah, that is the way I see it too. He was there when the first suicide was shown (Dee, may not have been the first suicide, but she was the first one shown on screen). Gaeta stikes me as the kind of person who is just broken... like his leg... his faith.... the mission... and Dee. It will be a poetic full circle for this arc of the story to have begun with Dee's suicide and end with Gaeta's.

[Sawyer]

like it all you want, the series itself is still infinitely better than the MS

Not all of it. There are some episodes that I could live without, but thus far S4 has been non-stop with great episodes.

[MX25]

Past episode was 100 times better than episode #2. I was torn between who to root for. I hate Cylon's and want them all dead but killing your fellow people over it? Not sure i would of went as far as Zarek has.

[Sawyer]

I love a majority of the cylons... Six, Sharon, Leoben, D'Anna, the final four (we havent really gotten a taste of Ellen as a cylon, so I cant really judge)... the rest I could care less about.

[MX25]

I don't mind the final 4. They pretty much didn't have anything to do with rest of cylons. I just think when it comes down to it any cylon really can't be trusted, kinda like how cylons feel about humans. They'll never be able to co-exist. Gotta pick a side but how far will you go for that side. I think that is the real question.

[Sawyer]

I don't mind the final 4. They pretty much didn't have anything to do with rest of cylons. I just think when it comes down to it any cylon really can't be trusted, kinda like how cylons feel about humans. They'll never be able to co-exist. Gotta pick a side but how far will you go for that side. I think that is the real question.

Athena?

[LadyVader]

Athena went bat**** crazy and killed that Six that didn't do anything, remember? :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Meh, toaster-on-toaster violence ain't gonna rile anyone up.

[LadyVader]

Ok, maybe the murder ain't as serious as shooting Adama in the chest without notice, but the shock value alone still proves Athena ain't playing with a whole deck.

[TheCorpulent1]

Only where Hera is concerned. Otherwise, she's a model officer.

[LadyVader]

So was Gaeta until recently.

[Sawyer]

So was Gaeta until recently.

Yeah, but Gaeta really doesnt have anyone to keep him staight (pun intended). Sharon has Helo who, in my opinion, is the most trustworthy and good-hearted character on the show.

[BlackLantern]

Ive always liked Helo and thought he did a great job as acting XO....the character has come a long way considering the original plan was to only have him for the first season

[Sawyer]

Ive always liked Helo and thought he did a great job as acting XO....the character has come a long way considering the original plan was to only have him for the first season

I dont think the plan was even for one season, they were supposed to leave him on Caprica in the miniseries and that would be it for him, but the character was so well liked they gave him more stories.

[BlackLantern]

I know she's a mutinous ***** but I still love Racetrack...is that wrong??

[Evelisse]

man o man

[Evelisse]

bah and Gaeta put the admiral rank thingies on...

[Fading]

bah and Gaeta put the admiral rank thingies on...

It's ok, he'll take them back off Gaeta in a bad ass sequence after he shoots him in the head.

I thought they were going to kill chief there for a moment tho lol. That hesitant pause, then pointing the gun at him again quick....

[Evelisse]

so if they would have jumped they would have been done anyway, heh.

[Evelisse]

bang

[huskerwebhead]

It's good to see Baltar finally be a part of this season. This was a fantastic episode. But God dammit...a part of me felt sorry for Gaeta at the end there....talking to Baltar.

And now Ellen returns....

[Superfreak]

what was the chief looking at down in the FTL room?

[huskerwebhead]

what was the chief looking at down in the FTL room?

I wasn't sure about that either. Maybe a structural breach or instability of some kind?

[Superfreak]

I wasn't sure about that either. Maybe a structural breach or instability of some kind?

'galactica rust'

[Evelisse]

yea figured it was some battle damage, that if they would have jumped they would have been destroyed.

[huskerwebhead]

yea figured it was some battle damage, that if they would have jumped they would have been destroyed.

That or it's something that's going to prevent them from jumping any further. Or....it was just a mark on the hull that looked like Baltar and he's going to put it on eBay now.

[Superfreak]

I gotta say, that room was a good use of the sets they have, with a simple cg addition. I was quite impressed with that whole sequence. I mean clearly it was the upper gantry on the flight deck, and they just filled the lower flight deck with a huge honkin f/x engine. Very cool

... and Tory is such a lamo

[huskerwebhead]

I gotta say, that room was a good use of the sets they have, with a simple cg addition. I was quite impressed with that whole sequence. I mean clearly it was the upper gantry on the flight deck, and they just filled the lower flight deck with a huge honkin f/x engine. Very cool

... and Tory is such a lamo

The look on Six's face when Roslin ripped Zarek a new one was priceless.

[BlackLantern]

...and Baltar would be the only one to talk to Gaeta after what that mutinous dog pulled...or was he hallucinating??

[Superfreak]

Roslin's ultimatum was great too

[SV Fan]

I am just happy that storyline is over. I have to say I have been unimpressed with this season so far but that was a good episode, hopefully they get away from the infighting from this point on and have more cylons(they always more interesting).

I wonder how Elen will take to Saul getting Caprica preggo

[BlackLantern]

Im wondering where ellen is resurrecting from as both The Hub and the Resurrection Ship have both been destroyed....there are still lingering questions, for me anyway....where did the Cylons go for that year between the fleet finding New Caprica and the Cylon Occupation? is there a Cylon homeworld??

[SV Fan]

Im wondering where ellen is resurrecting from as both The Hub and the Resurrection Ship have both been destroyed....

I could be wrong but wasn't Elen the "Hybrid" chick who talks all wierd, that's how it looked in the preview.

[BlackLantern]

No....Ellen Tigh was being resurrected somewhere.....

[SV Fan]

No....Ellen Tigh was being resurrected somewhere.....

Yeah I saw the preview, I just thought she looked like the hybrid in it getting out of the pool(I am probably way off)

[Fading]

Im wondering where ellen is resurrecting from as both The Hub and the Resurrection Ship have both been destroyed....there are still lingering questions, for me anyway....where did the Cylons go for that year between the fleet finding New Caprica and the Cylon Occupation? is there a Cylon homeworld??

It's probably a ressurection hub we haven't seen before. She mentioned while on Earth that she found a way to resurrect somewhere else. Chances are it's the only place the final 5 have copies of themselves.

I found it very interesting that it said she knows the truth. I'm hoping it means the truth of what happened on Earth, the truth of who killed her, and probably some unknown truth we haven't heard of yet. I also hope it's a pissed off Helen rather than the boozy, sleep with everyone on board Helen.

[KnightBat]

My guess is that there are going to pull a Boomer and Ellen's resurrection will be a flashback like Boomer's was in "Downloaded." Where Ellen was resurrected shortly after Saul poisoned her on New Caprica. She woke up, possibly remembering everything and has been setting things in motion to wake the other 4.

[Manic]

Woo! Great episode.

Tory is an idiot. Laura gave her too much credit by assuming she'd be able to look at the big picture.

I confess, I laughed a little when Tyrol was crawling through the ship. It's like the set builders said "Hey, you know what would be funny? We should make the biggest guy in the cast crawl through these humorously tiny tubes." The Jeffries on Star Trek aren't that small.

Anyone else think the Six Baltar was having sex with was the long lost Head Six with Natalie's haircut? She did seem to smile a little when he started beating himself up about running away.

I knew Zarek was going to take things too far, and Felix would end up turning against him. I didn't see it coming when a soldier switched to Adama's side. Then again, I didn't think Zarek would kill everyone else in the colonial government.

[huskerwebhead]

My guess is that there are going to pull a Boomer and Ellen's resurrection will be a flashback like Boomer's was in "Resurrection." Where Ellen was resurrected shortly after Saul poisoned her on New Caprica. She woke up, possibly remembering everything and has been setting things in motion to wake the other 4.

That's a good guess.....makes sense.

Woo! Great episode.

Tory is an idiot. Laura gave her too much credit by assuming she'd be able to look at the big picture.

I confess, I laughed a little when Tyrol was crawling through the ship. It's like the set builders said "Hey, you know what would be funny? We should make the biggest guy in the cast crawl through these humorously tiny tubes." The Jeffries on Star Trek aren't that small.

Anyone else think the Six Baltar was having sex with was the long lost Head Six with Natalie's haircut? She did seem to smile a little when he started beating himself up about running away.

I knew Zarek was going to take things too far, and Felix would end up turning against him. I didn't see it coming when a soldier switched to Adama's side. Then again, I didn't think Zarek would kill everyone else in the colonial government.

Yeah, I was a little shocked he ordered the Quarum (sp?) killed. I knew that would be it for Gaeta.

All the people following Adama through the corridors to the CIC was great. The crowd just got bigger and bigger as they went.

[888]

Romo Lampkin's great. Gaeta smiling at zarek was odd, considering zarek screwed up his plan. Also Ellen came off as evil in the preview.

[The Apocalypse]

My gods. 4.5 has been pure gold. That's all there is to say. I have too much running through my head right now between this and Lost. :D

[Superfreak]

It's probably a ressurection hub we haven't seen before. She mentioned while on Earth that she found a way to resurrect somewhere else. Chances are it's the only place the final 5 have copies of themselves.




I think not... remember that Ellen was killed long before the ressurection Hub was destroyed. And they've made it clear, that it doesn't take very long for someone to ressurrect.

She was probably ressurected a long time ago (ie. around the time she was killed on NC), and has been wandering around ever since.

[Superfreak]

Romo Lampkin's great. Gaeta smiling at zarek was odd, considering zarek screwed up his plan. Also Ellen came off as evil in the preview.

she is evil, she's ellen

[888]

Her being a **** was bad only for tigh.

[Evelisse]

So does Adama give another fleet-wide pardon? How can you trust a one time friend who pointed/shot a gun at you.

[BlackLantern]

So does Adama give another fleet-wide pardon? How can you trust a one time friend who pointed/shot a gun at you.

Well considering both Zarek and Gaeta were executed, Im sure the "pardon" is not as forgiving as we think....