The Battlestar Galactica and Caprica Discussion Thread

[Superfreak]

So does Adama give another fleet-wide pardon? How can you trust a one time friend who pointed/shot a gun at you.

under what law? under what government? It's been reduced to like 2 individuals, Apollo and Roslin.

It's also funny, that the thing that Zarek was railing against, the Adama-Roslin administration, is the only recognizable element of the government left alive after this coup.



so here's a question, is Ellen already back in the fleet? She's had a year and a half to get back 'home'.

[echostation]

I just don't get how in 6 episodes they're going to answer all the questions, prophecies, timelines and a ton of other random bits here and there through out the series and tie it all together... these past few episodes however have been fantastic

[Evelisse]

Hopefully Ellen truly has all the answers.

[Movies205]

I wonder if Lee and Roslyn will start getting along again? :huh: She's been such a ***** to him since the Baltar case. Also Romo, great as always, he's just such a ****ed up character and I also like how they're finally giving Baltar some real redemption, I mean back in the first 2 seasons there's no way, Baltar would choose to go back.

[EdRyder]

That or it's something that's going to prevent them from jumping any further. Or....it was just a mark on the hull that looked like Baltar and he's going to put it on eBay now.

There was a clip from the 'youwillknowthetruth' site ,If I remember correctly there were cracks like that all throughout the Admirals quarters and down the hall as he walked out the room.Could be extensive damage from way back when they jumped into the atmosphere of New Caprica,..who knows.But I think that assumption that the damage will prevent them from jumping anymore is a safe one.

[Sawyer]

I'm sorry... firing squad?! If you're not gonna do it yourself, Bill, at least put them out the airlock, like your girlfriend likes.

Anyway, incredible episodes. So many high points...
Roslin getting all "now it's personal" on Zarek. You dont **** with Roslin, man.
The scene between Baltar and Gaeta.
"Shove it up your ass." Oh, Bill, you really made my day with that one.
The moment when our guys have saved Adama from execution and you see Tigh putting a gun to that guys head.
Lampkin taking the guard out with a pen.
The chaos between all the characters after Sam got shot.

By the way is Sam still alive? They never told us anything...

[BlackLantern]

I'm sorry... firing squad?! If you're not gonna do it yourself, Bill, at least put them out the airlock, like your girlfriend likes.

Anyway, incredible episodes. So many high points...
Roslin getting all "now it's personal" on Zarek. You dont **** with Roslin, man.
The scene between Baltar and Gaeta.
"Shove it up your ass." Oh, Bill, you really made my day with that one.
The moment when our guys have saved Adama from execution and you see Tigh putting a gun to that guys head.
Lampkin taking the guard out with a pen.
The chaos between all the characters after Sam got shot.

By the way is Sam still alive? They never told us anything...

That's why they do it in the airlock....they shoot you and then blow your body out the door....you don't even get a ceremony

[The Apocalypse]

I'm sorry... firing squad?! If you're not gonna do it yourself, Bill, at least put them out the airlock, like your girlfriend likes.

Anyway, incredible episodes. So many high points...
Roslin getting all "now it's personal" on Zarek. You dont **** with Roslin, man.
The scene between Baltar and Gaeta.
"Shove it up your ass." Oh, Bill, you really made my day with that one.
The moment when our guys have saved Adama from execution and you see Tigh putting a gun to that guys head.
Lampkin taking the guard out with a pen.
The chaos between all the characters after Sam got shot.

By the way is Sam still alive? They never told us anything...

They left it out in the open. We'll find out next episode I guess.

[TheCorpulent1]

Sorry if this has already been asked, but this was driving my friends and I crazy last night: What's the deal with those tears in the bulkhead Tyrol saw? So far my friends and I have come up with several possible explanations:

1) Something's wrong with Galactica and it's deteriorating.
2) Galactica is possibly a Cylon ship (my friend thought she saw blood and that glowy red thing the Base Stars have).
3) A Centurion is loose on Galactica.
4) It's a f***in' dinosaur!

But, really, we have absolutely no frakkin' clue.

[BlackLantern]

I think it's #1.....it was an old ship from the get go....and they have jumped a lot....probably moreso than a Battlestar was meant to...

[Manic]

Sorry if this has already been asked, but this was driving my friends and I crazy last night: What's the deal with those tears in the bulkhead Tyrol saw? So far my friends and I have come up with several possible explanations:

1) Something's wrong with Galactica and it's deteriorating.
2) Galactica is possibly a Cylon ship (my friend thought she saw blood and that glowy red thing the Base Stars have).
3) A Centurion is loose on Galactica.
4) It's a f***in' dinosaur!

But, really, we have absolutely no frakkin' clue.
When I saw that, my initial reaction was #4. Then I remembered what show I was watching, and figured it was #1.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm gonna re-watch it on Hulu tomorrow to see if I can find the blood my friend was talking about. Because I'd really love for it to be #2. What a mindf*** that would be.

[Fading]

I think not... remember that Ellen was killed long before the ressurection Hub was destroyed. And they've made it clear, that it doesn't take very long for someone to ressurrect.

She was probably ressurected a long time ago (ie. around the time she was killed on NC), and has been wandering around ever since.

I was answering where I thought they'd ressurect, not when. If they cylon's didn't know who the final 5 were, then why would they have back ups of their bodies on a ressurection hub they own. All they would have to do then is look at the bodies and go, "Hey, that spare body looks like Chief Tyrol from Galactica".

I'm not saying she didn't rez awhile back, didn't even mention a timeline, just that I doubt she rez'd on a normal cylon ressurection hub as it'd make no sense. I could be wrong, I just don't see her having back up bodies in the same place as the other cylons.

[Manic]

Exactly. If the Final 5 had spare bodies aboard the regular Resurrection Ships, then Deanna could've just wandered around to find out who they were, rather than push herself into having a death-vision.

[blksuperman2]

What an awesome episode. Hell hath no fury is all I have to say about Roslin. If push came to shove do you really think the Cyclon's would've risked their lives to go up against Galactica? I'm surprised Adama didn't execute the fighter pilot as well. He did try to shoot down the President after all.

[Superfreak]

They left it out in the open. We'll find out next episode I guess.

watch the promo for next week. The bullet in the head unlock's something in Sam's brain, and he is able to remember his whole life.

[Sawyer]

watch the promo for next week. The bullet in the head unlock's something in Sam's brain, and he is able to remember his whole life.

I didnt get that from the promo at all, but I'll take your word.

EDIT: Oh, nevermind. I just watched an alternate promo from the one after last nights show and now I get what you're saying.

[Mikelus]

Wow, another wonderful episode, Mary McDonnell rocked her scenes, same for Olmos and the rest of the cast. There was so much going on, that they had to cut a lot of scenes out! Can't wait for the uncut version.

This is a very eventful episode -- a lot happens in 44 minutes. Was there anything that had to be cut?

Michael Angeli (writer): Oh my God, you could assemble another episode from
all the stuff we had to lose. At one point before we shot we had, like 90 special effects shots, a lot of it having to do with Gaeta’s leg. The original scuffle in the teaser was longer and involved more space porn. And, unfortunately, Romo Lampkin’s “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore!” scene had to be truncated. Almost all of Racetrack’s story is pretty much gone, as well as material on the base ship. But I’m, like, the worst about material being cut and I have to say I was really happy with the aired cut.

UPDATE: Angeli said in a later email exchange that there's a good chance we'd see some of the footage excised from "Blood on the Scales" when the season comes out on DVD.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-gaeta-blood-scales-angeli.html

[TheComicbookKid]

Man, this show is just one of the most consistently great shows on television!

I think the Galactica is simply falling apart at the seams. Wasn't it supposed to have been decommisioned in the pilot?

So not all of the final 5 are going to make it to New Earth is seems. I wonder what Ellen's solution was on the original Earth to resurrect.

[aaron]

so i have a question
i know number 6 is in baltars head right
well anyway what im wondering is
like when she shows emotion and stuff
does she really love him and everything or is it just baltar making it up in his head

btw im only halfway through season two

[Manic]

so i have a question
i know number 6 is in baltars head right
well anyway what im wondering is
like when she shows emotion and stuff
does she really love him and everything or is it just baltar making it up in his head

btw im only halfway through season two
Are you sure you want to be in this thread? It's pretty spoiler heavy. In fact, it's nothing but spoilers for you.

As for your question, you can only answer that on your own by deciding two things: Do you think the Number Six in Baltar's head is real? If yes, do you think she's been helping him or screwing with him all this time?

[Superfreak]

so i have a question
i know number 6 is in baltars head right
well anyway what im wondering is
like when she shows emotion and stuff
does she really love him and everything or is it just baltar making it up in his head

btw im only halfway through season two

you won't get an answer to that, until atleast s4e15, maybe later

[chosen1]

under what law? under what government? It's been reduced to like 2 individuals, Apollo and Roslin.

It's also funny, that the thing that Zarek was railing against, the Adama-Roslin administration, is the only recognizable element of the government left alive after this coup.



so here's a question, is Ellen already back in the fleet? She's had a year and a half to get back 'home'.

Yes and aslo under which colonial law. There are twelve colonies. each colony has different rules and rights. In a normal case anyone with any kind of record can nor run for office. But Zarek was Sagitteron. and their lawas state than citizens regain all rights and liberties and can run for office after their sentence has been served.

So theres another pickle

[Superfreak]

Yes and aslo under which colonial law. There are twelve colonies. each colony has different rules and rights. In a normal case anyone with any kind of record can nor run for office. But Zarek was Sagitteron. and their lawas state than citizens regain all rights and liberties and can run for office after their sentence has been served.

So theres another pickle

I was more along the lines of: the Koram is all dead, except for the Caprican representative, and the president. There is no government left, unless they have quick elections.

[BlackLantern]

Roslin has always been about the importance of a civilian government...I think she can appoint a new Quorum in an emergency situation

[TheCorpulent1]

Roslin has what now? Roslin's gone all totalitarian on more than one occasion. Lee's the one who's always believed in the importance of civilian oversight and adherence to the law.

Anyway, I looked at the Tyrol part of the episode again. Totally just deterioration. My friend's weird. I got it now.

[Evelisse]

Could Ellen have been resurrected on some hub on earth somewhere? Wouldn't that be the only place the final 5 bodies might be able to be resurrected. Something triggered her awakening with the other 4 final cylons proximity?

[BlackLantern]

I bought Razor today for $9 ....I only own seasons 1 and 2....Im holding off because I have a sneaking suspicion Universal is going to put out one big set either late '09 or sometime in 2010

[C. Lee]

I bought Razor today for $9 ....I only own seasons 1 and 2....Im holding off because I have a sneaking suspicion Universal is going to put out one big set either late '09 or sometime in 2010

Razor comes with the season 4.0 set too.

[BlackLantern]

I know that but then Id have to buy season 3....Im trying to avoid that....

[Jodo]

Here's some pics. of my patches in their new frames. :D

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[aaron]

Are you sure you want to be in this thread? It's pretty spoiler heavy. In fact, it's nothing but spoilers for you.

As for your question, you can only answer that on your own by deciding two things: Do you think the Number Six in Baltar's head is real? If yes, do you think she's been helping him or screwing with him all this time?

good question

[Flash Facts]

It's good to see Baltar finally be a part of this season. This was a fantastic episode. But God dammit...a part of me felt sorry for Gaeta at the end there....talking to Baltar.

And now Ellen returns....
Me too. I don't really understand all the Gaeta hate. The way I see it he was only doing what he thought was right. Zarek was the real bad guy and Gatea was stupid for trusting him. Which made the execution scene seem very outta place.

[Manic]

Me too. I don't really understand all the Gaeta hate. The way I see it he was only doing what he thought was right. Zarek was the real bad guy and Gatea was stupid for trusting him. Which made the execution scene seem very outta place.
The stupidity is why we hate him.

[Flash Facts]

He isn't the only character to make a dumb mistake.

[Manic]

But he is the only character to make a mistake that dumb.

I've said it before: The things that separate Gaeta's mistakes as a leader from everyone else's are that Gaeta took power through more devious means than anyone else, he had no clue was Zarek's goals were when they partnered up, and he had no ultimate goals for the people he was trying to lead.

[Sawyer]

But he is the only character to make a mistake that dumb.

I've said it before: The things that separate Gaeta's mistakes as a leader from everyone else's are that Gaeta took power through more devious means than anyone else, he had no clue was Zarek's goals were when they partnered up, and he had no ultimate goals for the people he was trying to lead.

QFT. Gaeta= epic fail.

[BlackLantern]

yea Baltar allowed a Cylon access to the Caprica Defense Network, wiggled into being a "science adviser" became President, surrendered to the Cylons, was put on trial for war crimes....and got away with all of it.

[Sawyer]

yea Baltar allowed a Cylon access to the Caprica Defense Network, wiggled into being a "science adviser" became President, surrendered to the Cylons, was put on trial for war crimes....and got away with all of it.

While Gaeta's uprising lasted less than a day and got his ass executed.

[Superfreak]

yea Baltar allowed a Cylon access to the Caprica Defense Network, wiggled into being a "science adviser" became President, surrendered to the Cylons, was put on trial for war crimes....and got away with all of it.

difference being, that Baltar felt bad about all of it. And I love how he's not totally responsible for any of it. On Caprica he was duped by 6, but well before anyone knew about human form cylons. He wasn't exactly wanting to be vice president until it was thrust upon him, leaving him as president later on. On NC there was nothing he could do, and the trial (which was pretty much a farse) explained that well. I love how everything that happens to him is almost against his will, but then he likes it.

[blksuperman2]

Razor comes with the season 4.0 set too.

Hmm. I didn't know that. I still haven't seen Razor and don't own 4.0 so that's win win.


thanks

[Manic]

yea Baltar allowed a Cylon access to the Caprica Defense Network, wiggled into being a "science adviser" became President, surrendered to the Cylons, was put on trial for war crimes....and got away with all of it.
We're talking about an accessory to murder vs. a murderer.

Baltar didn't cause the end of the human race, and he didn't attempt to harm anyone. He had sex with the wrong woman, and became an accessory in the Cylons' genocidal plan. When he surrendered to the Cylons on New Caprica, he did it because attempting to fight back would've gotten everyone killed. Including himself. Baltar didn't murder anyone, because murder implies intent.

Gaeta, on the other hand, ordered every murder he was involved in except for the deaths of the Quorum. And even then, there's a distinct difference between Baltar being fooled by Six into killing people, and Gaeta agreeing to help Zarek kill people.

[BlackLantern]

I have a continuity question concerning Razor....if Kendra Shaw was supposed to be a protege of Admiral Cain where is she when the Pegasus first appears in season 2? they do explain that she got thrown into kitchen duty after Fisk took command, but there are 3 episodes before that even happens.....

[Sawyer]

I have a continuity question concerning Razor....if Kendra Shaw was supposed to be a protege of Admiral Cain where is she when the Pegasus first appears in season 2? they do explain that she got thrown into kitchen duty after Fisk took command, but there are 3 episodes before that even happens.....

I dont think they ever went into detail about that...

[BlackLantern]

Its a bit of a hole for me because Shaw was Cains aide.....its like they only explained part of her absence and totally forgot there were episodes prior to Cains death

[Marz69]

This episode was a wow. Gaeta's whole final scene including Baltar was well done. This show is on fire. Next week looks great too. Ellen sounds like she's having an orgasm in the cylon bath. :wow:

Zarek killed the quorum...damn. That was a shocker.

[BlackLantern]

Baltar would be the only person to talk to Gaeta at that point

[Sawyer]

There are only six episodes left...

:csad:

[Flash Facts]

We're talking about an accessory to murder vs. a murderer.

Baltar didn't cause the end of the human race, and he didn't attempt to harm anyone. He had sex with the wrong woman, and became an accessory in the Cylons' genocidal plan. When he surrendered to the Cylons on New Caprica, he did it because attempting to fight back would've gotten everyone killed. Including himself. Baltar didn't murder anyone, because murder implies intent.

Gaeta, on the other hand, ordered every murder he was involved in except for the deaths of the Quorum. And even then, there's a distinct difference between Baltar being fooled by Six into killing people, and Gaeta agreeing to help Zarek kill people.
Who did Gaeta give the order to kill that was actually killed?

Anyways everything Gaeta did was perfectly justifiable considering his view on what was right and wrong. He tried to take the ship with no loss of life, it just didn't go as planned.

How is doing something that you belive to be the right thing worse than doing something you know is wrong but feeling guilty about it?

[Manic]

Who did Gaeta give the order to kill that was actually killed?
You're right. Gaeta didn't actually kill anybody. He ordered the deaths of Laura, Bill, Saul, and everyone grouped with them, but his orders never succeeded. My mistake. It's attempted murder.

Anyways everything Gaeta did was perfectly justifiable considering his view on what was right and wrong. He tried to take the ship with no loss of life, it just didn't go as planned.

How is doing something that you belive to be the right thing worse than doing something you know is wrong but feeling guilty about it?
Gaeta's beliefs, Shmaeta's beliefs. Whether or not he believed his actions to be right, everything he did was wrong. He accused Bill Adama of treason. Treason would be if Adama aided the Cylons in an attack against the human race. The Cylons within the fleet defected, and are in fact the traitors against their race. It's a false accusation, and a fair tribunal would've found Adama not guilty. That's the other thing; Gaeta circumvented the judicial system.

It doesn't matter if an individual thinks their actions are right if those actions are illegal and unjustified. A serial killer or jewel thief could tell you that they believe their actions were right, but their beliefs mean bupkis.


On the other hand, knowing one's actions were wrong leaves the possibility of reform and redemption. Such as what Baltar has been seeking.

[roach]

Coming from a Navy background Gaeta broke the one unbreakable rule...he mutinied against his Captain and his shipmates. If I did the same thing on my ship I would get the maximum penalty....and if it was a time of war(which BSG is in) death

[Superfreak]

Its a bit of a hole for me because Shaw was Cains aide.....its like they only explained part of her absence and totally forgot there were episodes prior to Cains death

I think that one can be chalked up to idea that they weren't planning on making a Pegasus movie at first. But as things went along, it became a reality.

[TheCorpulent1]

On the other hand, knowing one's actions were wrong leaves the possibility of reform and redemption. Such as what Baltar has been seeking.
Baltar's attack of conscience concerning his "flock" in the last episode almost made my eyes pop out of my head. Maybe I'm forgetting earlier instances, but this is the first time I can recall Baltar ever actively, seriously contemplating self-sacrifice for the sake of others. Quite the turning point. I also found it hilarious how even he seemed surprised at himself. :)

[OsGom]

What is the BIG secret that Baltar knows about Gaeta. It has been implied in several episodes, and prompted Gaeta stabbing Baltar in the throat, but unless I missed it, was not revealed. I expected we would learn it last night in the scene with Gaeta and Baltar but no dice.

Help me out!

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it was the whole deal with Gaeta giving a Sharon lists of prisoners on New Caprica. He thought she was getting them to safety, but she was actually executing most of them.

[amazingfantasy15]

Who did Gaeta give the order to kill that was actually killed?

Anyways everything Gaeta did was perfectly justifiable considering his view on what was right and wrong. He tried to take the ship with no loss of life, it just didn't go as planned.

How is doing something that you belive to be the right thing worse than doing something you know is wrong but feeling guilty about it?

I'm sure some people were killed when Gaeta's "rebels" took over the ship, those deaths are on his head as well as the shooters since he organized the mutiny. As others have said his views mean nothing, he organized both a political and military coup, you don't get away with that if the original government and military regain power.

[OsGom]

I thought it was the whole deal with Gaeta giving a Sharon lists of prisoners on New Caprica. He thought she was getting them to safety, but she was actually executing most of them.

Was this in the webisodes? I don't remember this in the series. If that's the case it makes sense and it is a diabolical ploy to get me to watch the webisodes on Scifi.com.

[TheCorpulent1]

It was indeed in the webisodes. I'd recommend watching them anyway. Both the current set with Gaeta and the Sharon and the previous set with the New Caprica resistance have been great.

[Flash Facts]

You're right. Gaeta didn't actually kill anybody. He ordered the deaths of Laura, Bill, Saul, and everyone grouped with them, but his orders never succeeded. My mistake. It's attempted murder.

Gaeta's beliefs, Shmaeta's beliefs. Whether or not he believed his actions to be right, everything he did was wrong. He accused Bill Adama of treason. Treason would be if Adama aided the Cylons in an attack against the human race. The Cylons within the fleet defected, and are in fact the traitors against their race. It's a false accusation, and a fair tribunal would've found Adama not guilty. That's the other thing; Gaeta circumvented the judicial system.

It doesn't matter if an individual thinks their actions are right if those actions are illegal and unjustified. A serial killer or jewel thief could tell you that they believe their actions were right, but their beliefs mean bupkis.


On the other hand, knowing one's actions were wrong leaves the possibility of reform and redemption. Such as what Baltar has been seeking.
Well I disagree I think his point of view matters alot. In his experience Cylons cannot be trusted. They have used deception since the very beginning to gain the trust of and then kill people. Not only that but it has been shown that sometimes they can not control their own actions and will betray people even if they don't want to.

Also didn't Gaeta try to follow the rules and have a court martial? Zarek was the one that wanted to skip the trail and then appointed himself judge. Form what I remember I'm pretty sure all of Gaeta's "attempted murders" would have been by the regs orders too.

As for Baltar, he is one of my favorite characters but I think people are making him out to be more innocent/letting him off the hook wat too easy. Didn't he accuse what he thought was a human of being a cyclon, which would have lead to certain death, just because he thought he could be exposed? He killed Crashdown, hid the fact that boomer was a Cylon, aided a cyclon in an escape, gave her a nuke, ascended to power on the advice of what he thought was a cyclon's secret communications, and has helped the cyclons throughout the whole series in some way.

And come on were on a Superhero forum, how many times has a superhero been duped, misinformed, or had a different view that has caused them to the "wrong" thing?

[Manic]

Well I disagree I think his point of view matters alot. In his experience Cylons cannot be trusted. They have used deception since the very beginning to gain the trust of and then kill people. Not only that but it has been shown that sometimes they can not control their own actions and will betray people even if they don't want to.
That doesn't warrant mutiny, buddy.

Also didn't Gaeta try to follow the rules and have a court martial? Zarek was the one that wanted to skip the trail and then appointed himself judge. Form what I remember I'm pretty sure all of Gaeta's "attempted murders" would have been by the regs orders too.
Zarek wanted to skip the trial, yes. Gaeta created a kangaroo court. He avoided due process and appointed himself the judge and jury. He also attempted to have Adama sign a confession under duress, which wouldn't be admissable in a court of law anyway.

As for Baltar, he is one of my favorite characters but I think people are making him out to be more innocent/letting him off the hook wat too easy. Didn't he accuse what he thought was a human of being a cyclon, which would have lead to certain death, just because he thought he could be exposed? He killed Crashdown, hid the fact that boomer was a Cylon, aided a cyclon in an escape, gave her a nuke, ascended to power on the advice of what he thought was a cyclon's secret communications, and has helped the cyclons throughout the whole series in some way.
Baltar had his trial and was found not guilty. His motives were even different from Gaeta's. What Baltar did in the past is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

And come on were on a Superhero forum, how many times has a superhero been duped, misinformed, or had a different view that has caused them to the "wrong" thing?
You say that as if superheroes get off lightly with me. I still refuse to read Spider-Man because of One More Day.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well I disagree I think his point of view matters alot. In his experience Cylons cannot be trusted. They have used deception since the very beginning to gain the trust of and then kill people. Not only that but it has been shown that sometimes they can not control their own actions and will betray people even if they don't want to.
Sort of like how Zarek wormed his way into the presidency and then wound up ordering the murder of the quorum? You're treating deception like it's a Cylons-only thing. Everyone is capable of deception, yet the humans trust each other. Not to mention, the Final Five never committed a deceptive act against the humans in their entire lives (except Tori, who promptly defected to the Cylon Base Star anyway), yet people still hate them. Dress it up how you like, but the mutiny was about racism, plain and simple. The idea of actually welcoming Cylons into their community so offended Gaeta and his followers that it drove them to violence.

[Flash Facts]

Oh of course it is, which is why in the overall scheme of things he was wrong. All I was debating was how Gaeta is getting much more backlash than anyone else even when some of them have done things much less justifiable.

Just wondering though who here would let robots that were annihilating all of humanity into their house if they said they promised they wouldn't kill you?

Robot:"I'm not like the others I swear"
Human: "What about your programing?"
Robot:"Programing Shomo-graming I can fight it, trust me" :D

I also understand why a parent wouldn't want a kid who could shoot lasers out his eyes to go to school with their kids.

Does that make me a racist? :csad:

I'll probably write more later. I got a class to get to in about 25 mins.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, that does make you a racist. The humans have lots of examples of Cylons working with them peacefully. Also, the Cylons' spirits are crushed as much as the humans' at this point, since all of their prophecies fell through with the discovery that Earth was a barren wasteland as well. And the Base Star with these particular Cylons has been in the fleet for a while now and things have worked out fine outside of a few isolated incidents that were brought on as much by the humans and their bigotry or more so than they were by the Cylons.

I'm not saying their racism isn't justified to some extent. They were bitter enemies with the Cylons for a long time, so it's easy to overlook everything I've just said. Cold logic can't stand in the face of emotion, as the show has proven time and again. But racism is still racism, no matter what the justifications for it are. At the end of the day, it's just flat-out fear of a group because they're not exactly the same as you.

[BlackLantern]

Corp....didn't you call Tori a "dirty frakkin' toaster *****"?? now you're all "We are the world".....

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, so? Embrace your inner hypocrite. You'll feel much better thanks to your newfound honesty.

[Flash Facts]

Yes, that does make you a racist.Damn. How ignorant I am for fearing death machines programed to kill me and not wanting my children in school with other children with uncontrollable powers that can vaporize dozens or more at a time.

I think I'll go right an apology letter to Jesse Jackson.

Oh wait....:o

[Fading]

Was just thinking it'd be a nice twice if Cavil was the one who originally started whatever war happened on Earth that led it to being nuked. Then it's revealed that he's the cylon who pressed hard to keep the other cylons from looking for the final 5 stating it's sacrilidge, when he's actually just covering up past deeds because he knows they may remember what he did.

Would make it even sweeter if Helen has flashbacks to it, and we see Cavil making a nazi-esque, hateful, pure Earth like broadcast as the nukes drop on Earth (say in a nazi-esque/pure Earth hate speech way since there had to be some kind of divide to cause Earth to nuke itself).

[Sawyer]

VveBij2au1M

Quite possibly my favorite moment this season. That is how you declare war on mother****ers... you dont mess with Roslin, man.

[Manic]

VveBij2au1M

Quite possibly my favorite moment this season. That is how you declare war on mother****ers... you dont mess with Roslin, man.
Goosebumps.

[Sawyer]

Goosebumps.

My thoughts exactly, especially at "I swear it!" I was like ****, she's really going all in, isnt she?

[blksuperman2]

Yep. That scene was niiiiice!

[BlackLantern]

at that point...she thought the old man was dead so what else was she going to do??

[aaron]

ok about that question i asked- does number six really have feelings for baltar
i think i just found the answer in 2x18
i think thats she even having visions of him says she really does love him
right right right?

[TheCorpulent1]

Damn. How ignorant I am for fearing death machines programed to kill me and not wanting my children in school with other children with uncontrollable powers that can vaporize dozens or more at a time.

I think I'll go right an apology letter to Jesse Jackson.

Oh wait....:o
You're just pulling nonsense out of thin air now. Sure, I wouldn't want Centurions posted as guards on any human ships, but none of the human-form Cylons are "programmed" to do anything. They all clearly have free will. They just happened to be on the opposite side of a war with the humans. But now they've broken away and are traitors to their own race with nowhere else to go. They're just people with the same desire to survive as any other people. Why would they randomly decide to kill the only potential allies they have?

And where did this children with uncontrollable vaporizing powers thing come from? The only Cylon kid we've seen so far is a perfectly normal child, except that she keeps appearing in those weird visions everyone keeps having. :huh:

[Superfreak]

My thoughts exactly, especially at "I swear it!" I was like ****, she's really going all in, isnt she?

after this has all worn out, I'm kind of sorry that wasn't the climax of a cliffhanger.... because it would have been awesome as one.

[Angry Sentinel]

Damn. How ignorant I am for fearing death machines programed to kill me and not wanting my children in school with other children with uncontrollable powers that can vaporize dozens or more at a time.

I think I'll go right an apology letter to Jesse Jackson.

Oh wait....:o
No, the ignorance comes (as Corp has been desperately trying to point out to you) from the fact that you LUMP ALL the cylons into these disheartening categories regardless of their individual deeds. When clearly they are individuals. In addition, as your own post shows, the reason you do this is mostly out of fear. Fear that they have more power than you, fear that they could take your life.

Tell me, are none of the human children ever uncontrollable or able to vaporize dozens or more people at a time with the right weapons (Columbine)? Are you saying that humans are never "death machines" (Virginia Tech)?

Now do you see the flaw in your logic?

[Superfreak]

anyone notice the temple of 5 in the promo, maybe that's where Ellen ressurected.

[Manic]

Anyone else get the scary feeling that Kara is going to kill Sam out of fear that he'll tell her that she's something horrible?

[TheCorpulent1]

Er... no? I get the feeling that Sam will die, though.

[ttotheusher]

Aw, I like Sam. Maybe if he lightened up a bit more, like when we first met him, more people would like him.

[Sawyer]

Anyone else get the scary feeling that Kara is going to kill Sam out of fear that he'll tell her that she's something horrible?

I actually thought the exact same thing when I first saw the promo. I wouldnt be surprised, but I like Sam. If they want to kill someone, kill Tory...

[Manic]

If they want to kill someone, kill Tory...
I thought they only executed the retarded in Texas.

[Flash Facts]

You're just pulling nonsense out of thin air now. Sure, I wouldn't want Centurions posted as guards on any human ships, but none of the human-form Cylons are "programmed" to do anything. They all clearly have free will. They just happened to be on the opposite side of a war with the humans. But now they've broken away and are traitors to their own race with nowhere else to go. They're just people with the same desire to survive as any other people. Why would they randomly decide to kill the only potential allies they have?

And where did this children with uncontrollable vaporizing powers thing come from? The only Cylon kid we've seen so far is a perfectly normal child, except that she keeps appearing in those weird visions everyone keeps having. :huh:

It was an X-men reference. Just like the Jesse Jackson comment was a South Park reference. I'm surprised you guys took that post seriously. I thought it was pretty obviously a joke.

But umm didn't Boomer shoot Adama becuase of her programing?

Anyways I think I should point out that I don't agree with Gaeta's point of view. I was just saying how I understand it.

[blksuperman2]

Yeah people seem to forget that Boomer only shot Adama because of programming. Didn't that one 6 nuke herself and 1/4 of the fleet because of programming too?

[Manic]

I thought Gina was just emotionally traumatized, vengeful, and suicidal.

[Flash Facts]

Yeah me too.

Boomer also blew a hole in the side of the ship because of her programing.

[Superfreak]

Yeah me too.

Boomer also blew a hole in the side of the ship because of her programing.

and her face?

[Flash Facts]

and her face?
Maybe it was a leap year :o

[Sawyer]

I'm pretty sure that what Gina did had nothing to do with programming...

[BlackLantern]

anyone see Katee on Nip/Tuck last night? it was fantastic

[Sawyer]

anyone see Katee on Nip/Tuck last night? it was fantastic

I didnt, but I did see a promo for it. She looked hot, as usual.

[BlackLantern]

Indeed she was....she's only around for a few episodes though. but I'll take it....

[Superfreak]

on the cylons: clearly, the 'programing' is against their will, on some level or another. Boomer tried to off herself when her's kicked in. Tigh has imagined killing Adama, but didn't go through with it. The O7 are programmed not to think about them, but apparently need them to survive.

so to hate all cylons is unfair. They may be good, right up to the point where there programing kicks in. Is that their fault? I must be someone's fault, unless they programmed themselves... so whose's the programmer?



and I just thought that it was interesting that Leoben, or a Leoben was helping Roslin with the comms last episode. I actually think that might be something missed. Leoben was spaced by Roslin, vicariously through Starbuck. It would actually be a very interesting encounter IMO.

[aaron]

im just watching the season 3 premiere
omg apollo put on alot of weight

or was it a fatsuit

[Jodo]

It was a fat suit....But if memory serves correct, it was actualy a preggers belly they had already used, LOL.

[Manic]

It'd be damn hard to trust the Cylons' programming if they had some sort of plan in place, but the Cylons haven't had anything resembling a plan since the exodus from New Caprica.

It's also very unfair to group the Final 5 in as hostile Cylons, since they had nothing to do with the destruction of the 12 colonies. They weren't seen during the attack, after the attack, during the occupation of New Caprica, or anywhere among the Cylons who attacked the human race. Every single member of the Final 5 has been in the fleet fighting other Cylons (or getting Roslin's coffee).

[blksuperman2]

If I had had my planet and surrounding sister planets blown up by hostile Robots, been tracked down for 2 yrs by the same hostile Robots who were determined to eradicate my entire race, Find a new planet and live there for a year but the same Robots come and instead of eradicating me like they had done in the past they subjegate me and killed those who spoke out against their evil dictative rule, chase me again throughout the galaxy until we reach humanities last hope only to find the planet wasted by some other form of killer Robots, I don't think I'd trust any of them either.

Huge run-on sentence aside that's clearly not racism, it's called wisdom. That being said I wouldn't cross Adama who is the only reason I'm alive to begin w/.

[aaron]

whod you guys say is the best actor on bsg
id go for baltar or tigh

[Backdrifter]

Baltar is consistently the best actor and character on the show. I am surprised the man hasn't won an Emmy for his performance. It is incredibly nuanced.

[Manic]

They're all good, really. The weakest link is Grace Park as Sharon, and even she's not bad.

[union_jak]

AARON STOP COMING IN THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!

lol whats the point in me keeping quiet about spoilers, when you come into this thread and spoil it for yourself!?!! :cmad::oldrazz:

[echostation]

the best part of Baltar's I think as a character is when he speaks in his native dialect accent and then he talks about Aralon and Caprica, that whole speech in jail was just amazing acting...

[aaron]

is that in season three
im on 3x09
im guessing its in the this season right

[Sawyer]

the best part of Baltar's I think as a character is when he speaks in his native dialect accent and then he talks about Aralon and Caprica, that whole speech in jail was just amazing acting...

I loved that part. And yes, aaron, it is in season three. i believe in Dirty Hands, am I correct guys?

[BlackLantern]

yes its in season 3

[aaron]

thanks
im totally pulling a late one tonight
gonna get through the whole of season 3
woo dirty hands is only 7eps away

[BlackLantern]

Bamber in the fat suit still makes me chuckle.....

[Manic]

I can only assume you don't care about spoilers, aaron. We've done nothing but talk about the final 5 Cylons.

[aaron]

oh i dont read anything other than the stuff ive asked about
i only know a tiny bit about the final five
that convo between baltar and caprica 6

[aaron]

paper shortage LOLOL

[aaron]

ok i just saw dirty hands
baltar in his native dialect is amazing
such a good actor
ok im done polluting this thread (for now)

[Superfreak]

AARON STOP COMING IN THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!

lol whats the point in me keeping quiet about spoilers, when you come into this thread and spoil it for yourself!?!! :cmad::oldrazz:

frak him

anyhoo, he seems to be catching up quite quickly, he'll probably be up to the current episode by the end of the weekend... so no worries

[aaron]

i thought it was frack
im guessing by tomorrow ill be up to the latest ep
2 more eps and im done with season three

im psyched for the s3 finale and all the major shocks

[Superfreak]

i thought it was frack
im guessing by tomorrow ill be up to the latest ep
2 more eps and im done with season three

im psyched for the s3 finale and all the major shocks

yeah it's a good one.


I have to say this: I find watching this show one week at a time, to be far more satisfying than watching it all in one shot. It's the 7 days inbetween each episode that I love. The anticipation and the inference.

[Marz69]

^ plus I have time to rewatch it with a week in between. There's a lot going on a second viewung really helps.

[BlackLantern]

scifi is running BSG today....first part of season 4

[aaron]

its weird
i dont think bsg is shown on scifi here
its sky one

[aaron]

season three is done,buffering razor as we speak- well, i speak

does anyone else kinda hate roslin
oh and i feel like gaetas decision to lie in court could come back to haunt him in some way..if it hasnt already

[BlackLantern]

does anyone else kinda hate roslin

TRAITOR!!!...out the airlock you go....no one talks that way about the President

[aaron]

i hope cancer gets that b****

[BlackLantern]

Roslin will go when her work is done....cancer will wait

[Marz69]

TRAITOR!!!...out the airlock you go....no one talks that way about the President
I agree. :hehe:

[aaron]

ok i have a question, a yes or no
in the fifteen or so episodes so far in season 4
do we find out who the final cylon is yet

[BlackLantern]

No the final cylon was just revealed 3 episodes ago in the current run on Sci Fi

[Marz69]

ok i have a question, a yes or no
in the fifteen or so episodes so far in season 4
do we find out who the final cylon is yet
The answer has been revealed.

Now stay away from the boards!

[aaron]

okk ill report back when im done

[Movies205]

season three is done,buffering razor as we speak- well, i speak

does anyone else kinda hate roslin
oh and i feel like gaetas decision to lie in court could come back to haunt him in some way..if it hasnt already

I began to dislike Roslin after the Gaius trial when she became all high and mighty, the way she disrespects Lee is just disgusting. Lee has been one of the few to stick by his convictions the whole show and is always there in the clutch, and to just shut him out for following em' is just *****iness, then her whole little, "Waaa I don't care anymore" is just like bah you're a drama queen.

That's not to say I'd want her written differently, I think the writers have done a wonderful job of humanizing her and making a very complex character that I can understand, I just think she's a ***** :(

[Superfreak]

I began to dislike Roslin after the Gaius trial when she became all high and mighty, the way she disrespects Lee is just disgusting. Lee has been one of the few to stick by his convictions the whole show and is always there in the clutch, and to just shut him out for following em' is just *****iness, then her whole little, "Waaa I don't care anymore" is just like bah you're a drama queen.

That's not to say I'd want her written differently, I think the writers have done a wonderful job of humanizing her and making a very complex character that I can understand, I just think she's a ***** :(

yeah, she gots annoying the closer and closer they get to earth. And she was even more annoying at the opening of 4.5. But as far as my opinion goes, that was all cleared up last week. Her self-destruction, and her pulling herself together in the face of loseing Adama was well played out.

But the fuse is seriously running short on her life now. She's not taking Kamala, she's quit the chemo... I wouldn't be suprised if we see her collapse tonight, leading into her final episode or two. There are only 6 episodes left... so you get my point

[The Apocalypse]

This series finale is March 6th correct?

[Superfreak]

This series finale is March 6th correct?

I see the 20th of march as part 2/3 and part 3/3 of the series finale

[Sawyer]

This series finale is March 6th correct?

I dont think so... we still have six episodes left. That should mean the finale is a bit later in March. I could be wrong, but I think that is how its happening...

[The Apocalypse]

I see the 20th of march as part 2/3 and part 3/3 of the series finale

I dont think so... we still have six episodes left. That should mean the finale is a bit later in March. I could be wrong, but I think that is how its happening...

Hopefully you're both right. The longer the show is on the better.

[union_jak]

Wasn't there some national holiday in the States this time last year, that delayed BSG by a week (and the UK overtook it briefly)?

[Angry Sentinel]

You are thinking about Memorial day.. back on May 26. A lot of people go on vacations or whatever, so the networks run repeats. We have a president's day comming up on Monday, but it never affects the TV schedule.

[Movies205]

yeah, she gots annoying the closer and closer they get to earth. And she was even more annoying at the opening of 4.5. But as far as my opinion goes, that was all cleared up last week. Her self-destruction, and her pulling herself together in the face of loseing Adama was well played out.

But the fuse is seriously running short on her life now. She's not taking Kamala, she's quit the chemo... I wouldn't be suprised if we see her collapse tonight, leading into her final episode or two. There are only 6 episodes left... so you get my point

Yeah I agree with that sentiment, I do hope there is a scene between Lee and her and some type of reconcile even if its one sentence, kind of like Adama's "its been an honor to serve with you, Tigh", I don't like how it being left at hte moment...

[Angry Sentinel]

Well, they were running last season's Battlestar on Sci-fi today and I saw a seen just like that one. After she returns from the baseship and they decide to go to earth together Roslyn congratulates Lee on his leadership as President. She even tells him that he "definitely" is not off the hook because he will be needed in this capacity in he immediate future.

It was a quick seen, but basically it was all there.

[Movies205]

Well, they were running last season's Battlestar on Sci-fi today and I saw a seen just like that one. After she returns from the baseship and they decide to go to earth together Roslyn congratulates Lee on his leadership as President. She even tells him that he "definitely" is not off the hook because he will be needed in this capacity in he immediate future.

It was a quick seen, but basically it was all there.

Oh yea, I forgot about that, I thought she was still pissed at him... :csad:

[Pink Ranger]

LOL Let the "I'm a Cylon. And I'm a PC." jokes commence!!

[Archangel]

This, this was a fantastic episode.

I could watch Cavill and Ellen for hours, their conversations and arguments were mesmerizing.

[phoenixflight]

OMG...I so loved this frakin' episode.

Ellen and the other 'Final Five' created the 8 humanoid models. There is a 7th model named Daniel (an Artist) that Cavil (John) destroyed.

[Fading]

Everytime you think you have this show figured you it proves you wrong. Ellen was ressurected on a normal cylon hub. Atleast I had part of it right with Cavil's role. Either way it was a good episode, lots of answers, and next week will give more. Still tho, for someone who wanted the cylons to seek humanity and compassion, Ellen spent enough of her time with humans gulping down alcohol and sleeping with half the crew behind Tigh's back (which I guess was her enjoying being human as well lol).

Just makes me wonder what Starbuck is, now we know Starbuck's not one of the newer skin jobs as Daniel was the only other not shown.

Heh, that could tie into Darthphere's sarcastic remark awhile back about it being some fanboys wet dream of a BSG and Stargate tie in. Daniel from SG1 is really a cylon, and he created the replicators trying to recreate cylons!!! :).

[BlackLantern]

Cavil did more than that....the 5 wanted peace or a truce with humanity and he boxed them all then nuked the Colonies....dick move...

[Pink Ranger]

I too love the episode, but actually understood about 2/3 of it.


So the Kobol humans created the original skin jobs, who colonized Earth, then re-connected with the Centurions? I had a bit of trouble following.

[Evelisse]

did they say near the end on earth the final 5 saw a person, that no one else could see, and it was different for all of them....sort of like Baltar?

[BlackLantern]

Sam said when they (the 5) were boxed, Cavil altered their memories of "Daniel" so they wouldn't remember or wouldn't know who it was....Cavil seems to really hate this "Daniel" model as well

[Superfreak]

so Cavill is the evil child behind the curtain pulling all the strings. He's the one programing the other models, he's the one that mind wiped the F5. He also seems to have intentionally programmed Ellen as the ho we knew her as. This episode is just brilliant. So much explanation....

and Adama knocking back the booze when he learned that the old girl was not doing well....

and Roslin beginning to show her frailty...

and so, the F5 came to the colonies 50 years ago to avert a holocaust, by giving the new cylons faith in the one true god. They did this by offering the 12 colony cylons ressurection, and human form cylons. But their first creation, John, aka Cavill is psycho, interesting like LOR, vs. Data. He knows how to program cylons, but not like the F5. Ellen also said that the new cylons had free will... that is I suppose until John got to have his way with them.

and what do you suppose the miracle at the end is?

[Superfreak]

Sam said when they (the 5) were boxed, Cavil altered their memories of "Daniel" so they wouldn't remember or wouldn't know who it was....Cavil seems to really hate this "Daniel" model as well

this daniel talk is leading me towards Zak Adama....but I mean come on... 13 cylons? murder me. That's an evil plot point to throw in there with Tminus5 episodes left

[Superfreak]

and Damn... why is it on TV, that whenever someone has all the answers, their brain is about to explode, and they are not able to share their revelation... super annoying

[BlackLantern]

maybe discovering who "Daniel" is....? something to do with Six and Tighs baby? where do Baltar and Starbuck fit into all this....? damn you BSG for making me love you

[BlackLantern]

Ron Moore has said the final Cylons were characters that exist within the show....Zak has only been seen in flashbacks and I don't think it's anyone in the Adama family....

[Marz69]

Daniel could be this guy (this could be spoilery if true)

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20199223,00.html

[Marz69]

But... Starbuck glowed. So could Daniel be her father?

[BlackLantern]

No...everything went glowy....that usually happens when someone has severe brain trauma.....

[phoenixflight]

But... Starbuck glowed. So could Daniel be her father?

I thought the same thing!

[Backdrifter]

Umm... how are you people not seeing that

Kara Thrace = Daniel


........?

[Manic]

Umm... how are you people not seeing that

Kara Thrace = Daniel


........?
Because as far fetched as this show is, I have a hard time believing that Daniel's corrupt data led to him becoming a girl.

[Backdrifter]

Because as far fetched as this show is, I have a hard time believing that Daniel's corrupt data led to him becoming a girl.

There are several reasons why she is...

Her artistic nature.
Her death and resurrection.

errmmm..man I had some earlier... but I forgot!

I think Baltar could also be Daniel.

[Fading]

All we know about Daniel is that he's an artistic, dead cylon. I'd wait for more info before we start jumping into crazy theory land heh.

Plus, how could Daniel's corrupt data turn into physical female bodies for Starbuck. I'd think Cavil would know about her, or it have been mentioned this episode by Sam if he remembered everything and he now knew his wife was an ex-guy.

If anything I'd think Starbuck is just another person who escaped Earth before it was nuked. She probably was part of an opposite faction (the centurions maybe) that had ressurection technology as well.

[Fading]

But... Starbuck glowed. So could Daniel be her father?

It's possible, but if she was a cylon hybrid, or a cylon+cylon child, how would she have had an adult backup body, unless Daniel guessed what Starbuck would look like, created one, and set it aside on a resurrection ship before he died.

I'm sure they'll give an answer, but I personally have a hard time seeing what they can pull out that will tie it all neatly together. Funny thing is, this show has made a habit of neatly tieing in things that shouldn't fit that way. So I'm sure they'll come up with something, wouldn't be the first time BSG surprised me in a good way.



Edit - I know I said it's best not to go in crazy theory land, but a thought just popped in. Ellen said resurrection tech was around from before the cylons on Earth. What if Starbuck is the repeating factor, and she's been around since before Ellen and the other 5. Some ancient cylon with hidden programming to keep the loop going.

[Backdrifter]

I like that theory, CB. so 14 cylons instead of 12...hmmm

[Fading]

I like that theory, CB. so 14 cylons instead of 12...hmmm

I've been wrong a lot lately on this show :(. It's just that I had this flash in my head of the series ending with Starbuck suddenly shooting Adama, then Lee shooting her, and when he asks her why as she lies bleeding and dying she comments that this all has happened before and will happen again. Then she goes to an unseen resurrection hub the other cylons don't know about, and waits for the loop to repeat before she reactivates.

She did see that image (programming?) that compelled her to lead them to a ruined Earth, and the hybrid did say she will lead them all to their deaths.

Chances are I'm wrong, I'm been missing a lot lately. That's probably mainly because I'm making guesses that would work with a normal series, and BSG just keeps breaking the mold.

[SV Fan]

well my money would be on either Kara or Baltar being #7

As some say kara might be a child of a Cylon. She did do those drawings a couple seasons ago, leading to the artistic comment. I personally hope Kara is somehow related to the Cylons because I can't stand how overly important she has been on the show, being a cylon would make me do a complete 180 on the way her character was written

[Manic]

Why are we assuming that Daniel is still alive and among the fleet? Ellen said that what happened to Daniel was permanent, as opposed to boxing which is reversible. Daniel is gone, and not coming back. At least not by any means that Ellen (creator of Cavil, Simon, Doral, Leoben, Six, D'anna, and Sharon) is aware of.

[Flash Facts]

Anyone else notice that Cavil/John was manifesting his Oedipus complex?

[Superfreak]

Ron Moore has said the final Cylons were characters that exist within the show....Zak has only been seen in flashbacks and I don't think it's anyone in the Adama family....

yeah, 'cept in spoilers, he's prominent in the 3 episode series finale


Starbuck is not daniel... think about it people. Even if she was, it still doesn't explain her ressurection, without a ressurection ship, or hub in which to do so.

I'm interested in what is going on about this cylon 'colony'.

And I can't wait to see what Saul does, when he finds out that Cavill/John has been 1) screwing with his wife's mind, so that she is a **** 2) forced tigh into excecuting her 3)fraked her a bunch because of 1), and is now trying to chop open her brain to find 'perfection'.


I also wonder what's going to happen to Ellen when she finds Saul, with a baby, produced by what Ellen (and the final 5) would call their children.




What I'm beginning to get from the show though, is a 'Dark City' Vibe. Anybody else getting that?


moreover, the religious overtones were interesting, monotheism for the 12 colony cylons to make them peaceful... and now the humans are accepting it. Very interesting.







both on BSG and Lost, both shows have had revelation episodes this season... which have opened up the flood gates, and began o explain everything. Both the Lost time travel episode(s), and this finding out what happened to Ellen episode on BSG have been Fab.

I'm gonna be sad when BSG is gone, and I am once again left without a quality weekly space opera.

[blksuperman2]

Man, the plot thickens. This show has a knack of tieing unanswered questions in a pretty little bow and then opening up 3 more. I really love this series and hate to see it end.

[Superfreak]

and... 'Galen's confession'... what's that all about?


and the explanation of the time differential is interesting.

and I suppose when Ellen and Boomer arrive at the fleet, the non rebel cylons are gonna be hot on their heels

[Superfreak]

looks like Torrie is gonna get another chance to be a ***** next week.


and the new intro was interesting aswell

[BlackLantern]

I like the new intro....so from what I've see so far....Humans on Kobol developed human Cylons....and those Cylons struck out for their own home...there were probably humans on Kobol that didn't like the artificial life forms so they left Kobol to go establish their own colonies and eventually developed the Centurions because maybe they thought they were easier to control....at some point, the skin jobs reached out to the Centurions (but we're too late because the first war already happened)....spent 40 years doing something (who the frak knows) and apparently Cavil is a big warmonger who believes that humans are a waste and here we are

[Superfreak]

well the new intro explains a lot. We are not stuck in some weird loop of reincarnation.

'This has all happened before, and it will happen again': Shot of Earth... so Earth with where things happened the first time.

'They rebelled, then they vanished': explained in the episode, where the F5 from devastated earth, made their way to the 12 colonies to avert the first war between the 12 colonies and cylon, via the 1 true god religion.

'40 years later they came back' the F5 fail at some point prior to this, with John aka Cavill.

[BlackLantern]

yes....Dean Stockwell is a DBag of biblical proportions

[Pink Ranger]

Hold on, if John/Cavill is based on Ellen's father, wouldn't it be freaky if:


#6 was based on Ellen and Saul's daughter?

Ewwwwww ....

[Superfreak]

so I'm assuming that the 13 colony was Cylon, became human, made their own cylons centurions, who wiped them out. And the F5, who rebuilt the ressurection technology, decided to go to the 12, and save them from making enemies with they're own cylons.

[Superfreak]

Hold on, if John/Cavill is based on Ellen's father, wouldn't it be freaky if:


#6 was based on Ellen and Saul's daughter?

Ewwwwww ....

indeed.

what's more interesting, is Cavill/John getting all Oedipal on us, or is he a child molesting father? Or both?

this episode is going to take all week to take apart and understand

[Darthphere]

I think the Daniel being Starbuck's father theory is pretty sound. Obvious, and probably not the case at all.

[Superfreak]

I think the Daniel being Starbuck's father theory is pretty sound. Obvious, and probably not the case at all.

I think SB is going to turn out to be special


anybody take a shot at trying to wrap their brains around the time relativety

[Darthphere]

I rather not, and just take their explanation at their word.

[Marz69]

Hold on, if John/Cavill is based on Ellen's father, wouldn't it be freaky if:


#6 was based on Ellen and Saul's daughter?

Ewwwwww ....
That actually makes sense.

[Superfreak]

I'm so excited to see what happens when both Boomer and Ellen step off that raptor next week.

I can't wait to see what Bill and Roz have to say about Ellen, after the dinner party episode in the first season.

Boomer and Galen are totally gonna bang, after last nights 'who am I going to love?', with a quick cut to the Chief's face.



this week's episode was a revelation for the audience... next week is a revelation for the characters. It's going to be very interesting

[Superfreak]

OMG, even more. Boomer is the cause of the schism within the cylon. She voted against her model in their 'democratic' forum. So I wonder how she's going to be accepted by the rebels?

[BlackLantern]

I think SB is going to turn out to be special


anybody take a shot at trying to wrap their brains around the time relativety

Cavil explained that...I think.....he had them all boxed until some time before the attacks on the Colonies....he altered their memories and planted them thinking they were humans as some sort of weird punishment...

[Superfreak]

Cavil explained that...I think.....he had them all boxed until some time before the attacks on the Colonies....he altered their memories and planted them thinking they were humans as some sort of weird punishment...

I was refering to the relative time and space differences.


but as for the boxing... and reprogramming, that had to have happened atleast as far back as Bill meeting the Saul Tigh/Ellen Tigh couple for the first time... after the first war, but certainly before the Holocaust. Question is, how did all 5 manage to survive the holocaust? Were they helped by their 'children', not knowing who they were, given that the 5 were reprogrammed?

Cavill's very devil like... in that he is the first born son, jealouse of his younger 'syblings', rebelling against his creator.

and lastly, only Saul and Galen were on Galactica at the time that 'the note' was left. So I'm narrowing it down to those two.

[BlackLantern]

didn't those 5 design the rest of them....so they would be his older siblings, I think...I'm thinking Cavil wanted to make them 'suffer'.....

[Superfreak]

didn't those 5 design the rest of them....so they would be his older siblings, I think...I'm thinking Cavil wanted to make them 'suffer'.....

well, he killed all the daniels. And it's interesting that all the O7 cylons have had their brains raped by John.

[BlackLantern]

I was surprised John Hodgman showed up, but he fit his part well....he's probably a huge fan as well so it was probably cool for him

[Marz69]

No...everything went glowy....that usually happens when someone has severe brain trauma.....
I looked at the scene again and the 3 glowed but only the left half of Starbuck glowed. Her right half was completely clear. I think this could be a major hint that she is half cylon... Danny boy.

EDIT:
I'll get a screen shot

[Superfreak]

I looked at the scene again and the 3 glowed but only the left half of Starbuck glowed. Her right half was completely clear. I think this could be a major hint that she is half cylon... Danny boy.

EDIT:
I'll get a screen shot

she's only half covered because she wasn't center screen, and closer to the camera than the others.

now lets suppose this is true for a second... it'd be even funnier if SB is Anders' child, given the strange inter familiar relationship theme that this episode kind of hinted at. But that's unlikely. As anders said, they were killed, mind wiped, and boxed. Each model being introduced into the 12 colonies 1 at a time. Tigh being first.


SB could be anything at this point in the show. But I think she is above all this cylon stuff. And that she is tied into the miracle and angels that Anders was talking about.

[BlackLantern]

I'm wondering....if Anders brain shut down during the surgery, could he have downloaded somewhere else like Ellen did?

[Superfreak]

I'm wondering....if Anders brain shut down during the surgery, could he have downloaded somewhere else like Ellen did?

and ressurect? how? no hub. And it seems that Cavill's current goal is to reattain ressurection... but Ellen said he needs all the F5 in order to for them to recreate the technology. Unless... the original ship that the F5 used is still in existance... but they had no FTL, otherwise it wouldn't have taken them so long to get back to the 12 after the Earth was destroyed.

[Marz69]

Here are the pics:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2en01m9.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/29e0tna.jpg

Although superfreak could be right & it's just the camera angles.

[Marz69]

and ressurect? how? no hub. And it seems that Cavill's current goal is to reattain ressurection... but Ellen said he needs all the F5 in order to for them to recreate the technology. Unless... the original ship that the F5 used is still in existance... but they had no FTL, otherwise it wouldn't have taken them so long to get back to the 12 after the Earth was destroyed.
The colony has a resurrection hub, i think

[Jodo]

So...I think I've got this straight now.....

The people of Kobol made Cylons.

12 tribes of people went to the colonies, the Cylons went off to Earth.

(At some point in time, the space junk with the Cylon killing virus was dropped by the Earth bound Cylons.)

The Earth bound Cylons made the Temple on the Algea planet.

The Cylons reach Earth.

The Cylons on Earth then began to give birth, and "abandoned" resurection.

The Earth Centurians rebelled, and the F5 Cylons re-invented resurection.

The F5 resurrect on an orbiting ship, and at a "sublime" speed, begin their journey to the Colonies to warn them, because FTL drives hadn't been invented on Earth.

Meanwhile, on the Colonies, people had made Centurians.

The Centurians rebell, and first Cylon War of the Colonies begin.

The F5 Cylons arrive "to late" to warn the people, and agree to help the Classic style Centurians gain organic bodies, in agreement, the first war ends.

The F5 create the "John"/"Cavil" model first.

The "Daniel" model is killed, the F5 are suffocated and then boxed.

"John" releases the Saul Tigh model after the war, memory suppressed, new memories created. Same goes for Ellen, and then the others.

The Cylons attack the Colonies, 40 years later, killing nearly evryone. Cavil "helps" the F5 stay alive to perhaps teach them a lesson. He comes in contact with the F5, aside from Tory on screen.

In the Fleet's journey, they reach Kobol. They leave Kobol.

The Fleet reaches New Caprica, Ellen is killed. Ellen resurrects, Cavil knows all about it.

The Fleet finds the Colonial tech. with the Cylon virus on it, which was dropped off by Cylons.

The Fleet reaches the Algea planet. Cylons reach the same planet. Ellen is either another Cylon fleet, or in a nearby one.

Deana sees the faces of the F5. And is then boxed.

The music starts at the Ionian Nubula, the Cylon raiders relise Sam is a Cylon, and break off their attack. Starbuck returns.

The Cylons split up into factions.

The Resurrection Hub is deystroyed by the friendly Cylons, and the Colonials. Cavil now faces death, and the end of the Cylon race. He consults Ellen and wants her to begin construction on the resurrection device again.

(Sometime around here, or so, Ellen escapes from John with "Boomer".)

Earth is found because of the F5. The Cylons and Colonial converge at the same time.

The Colonials and the Cylons leave Earth, and begin searching for another home.


Wow....can't beleive I remembered all that.

Also, the Other Final Cylon might be Gaeta. Right before he got airlocked he did go on and on about being artistic in designing buildings,etc. Might be him....

[Superfreak]

The colony has a resurrection hub, i think


I think no, Cavill said that the lab was there untouched. He wanted ellen to give him the formula... so he could rebuild it(no point in rebuilding something you already have). But she said she only had part of it. Anders confirmed this by saying that Galen did most of the work, but that Ellen had the intuitive solution to make the whole process work.

one think I find remarkable is that this is the first time that Roslin and Lee have discussed the realignment of the government by ship representation, rather than by colony. Infact, I'm suprised this wasn't a subject breached earlier in the series.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought Daniel would be Starbuck and that Cavill's f***wittage with the amniotic fluid somehow switched that model's gender. Daniel was supposed to be artistic and Starbuck had those prophetic paintings. Admittedly, that's pretty thin. I like the idea about Daniel possibly being Starbuck's father, but Phere's right, that's probably too obvious.

[Superfreak]

So...I think I've got this straight now.....

The people of Kobol made Cylons.

12 tribes of people went to the colonies, the Cylons went off to Earth.

(At some point in time, the space junk with the Cylon killing virus was dropped by the Earth bound Cylons.)

The Earth bound Cylons made the Temple on the Algea planet.

The Cylons reach Earth.

The Cylons on Earth then began to give birth, and "abandoned" resurection.

The Earth Centurians rebelled, and the F5 Cylons re-invented resurection.

The F5 resurrect on an orbiting ship, and at a "sublime" speed, begin their journey to the Colonies to warn them, because FTL drives hadn't been invented on Earth.

Meanwhile, on the Colonies, people had made Centurians.

The Centurians rebell, and first Cylon War of the Colonies begin.

The F5 Cylons arrive "to late" to warn the people, and agree to help the Classic style Centurians gain organic bodies, in agreement, the first war ends.

The F5 create the "John"/"Cavil" model first.

The "Daniel" model is killed, the F5 are suffocated and then boxed.

"John" releases the Saul Tigh model after the war, memory suppressed, new memories created. Same goes for Ellen, and then the others.

The Cylons attack the Colonies, 40 years later, killing nearly evryone. Cavil "helps" the F5 stay alive to perhaps teach them a lesson. He comes in contact with the F5, aside from Tory on screen.

In the Fleet's journey, they reach Kobol. They leave Kobol.

The Fleet reaches New Caprica, Ellen is killed. Ellen resurrects, Cavil knows all about it.

The Fleet finds the Colonial tech. with the Cylon virus on it, which was dropped off by Cylons.

The Fleet reaches the Algea planet. Cylons reach the same planet. Ellen is either another Cylon fleet, or in a nearby one.

Deana sees the faces of the F5. And is then boxed.

The music starts at the Ionian Nubula, the Cylon raiders relise Sam is a Cylon, and break off their attack. Starbuck returns.

The Cylons split up into factions.

The Resurrection Hub is deystroyed by the friendly Cylons, and the Colonials. Cavil now faces death, and the end of the Cylon race. He consults Ellen and wants her to begin construction on the resurrection device again.

(Sometime around here, or so, Ellen escapes from John with "Boomer".)

Earth is found because of the F5. The Cylons and Colonial converge at the same time.

The Colonials and the Cylons leave Earth, and begin searching for another home.


Wow....can't beleive I remembered all that.

Also, the Other Final Cylon might be Gaeta. Right before he got airlocked he did go on and on about being artistic in designing buildings,etc. Might be him....

sounds about right to me.
-Sub-Luminal, which I assume means sub light.
-Interesting point about Gaeta
-Ellen and Boomer escaped only 2 days before current events (ie. the discovery of the fractures in Galactica's superstructure).
-also makes the cylon virus make a lot more sense in hindsight

[TheCorpulent1]

Sub-luminal does mean sub-light.

If Gaeta were #7, wouldn't that kind of bring that plot point to a dead end since he's dead now? :huh:

[Superfreak]

I thought Daniel would be Starbuck and that Cavill's f***wittage with the amniotic fluid somehow switched that model's gender. Daniel was supposed to be artistic and Starbuck had those prophetic paintings. Admittedly, that's pretty thin. I like the idea about Daniel possibly being Starbuck's father, but Phere's right, that's probably too obvious.

I'm thinking SB might be a human who has evolved to the point where she can ressurect like a cylon... does that make sense?

[BlackLantern]

Id guess there was also some sort of conflict on Kobol between the humans who developed the Cylons and those who were probably opposed....if I was the fleet, Id just head back to Kobol and settle there....but that could start the cycle up again in a couple thousand years

[Superfreak]

Sub-luminal does mean sub-light.

If Gaeta were #7, wouldn't that kind of bring that plot point to a dead end since he's dead now? :huh:

I remember them saying a while back that we might never meet the final cylon. And seeing that they happened to throw lucky 13 in there out of nowhere right at the end, might fit that mystery.

[Superfreak]

Id guess there was also some sort of conflict on Kobol between the humans who developed the Cylons and those who were probably opposed....if I was the fleet, Id just head back to Kobol and settle there....but that could start the cycle up again in a couple thousand years

it's the only planet left to them that we know of, other than NC, which was hardly suitable.

[Superfreak]

Sub-luminal does mean sub-light.

If Gaeta were #7, wouldn't that kind of bring that plot point to a dead end since he's dead now? :huh:

I dunno, something just struct a chord with me, opera singer, opera house?

[Fading]

It's kind of funny, but it really wouldn't have to again (replying about it all happening before, and will happen again), but probably will. They could probably write their own writings on the events that happened, and pass them thru the generations. However later humans would probably half believe it and turn it into a new religion, and the other half write it off as a fairy tale, and both sides end up making the same mistakes again.


Edit - Again tho, the cylon prophesies might just be a form of control put in by Cavil. He makes the cylons think it's a hopeless loop of death, and they never try to break free.

[888]

I hope they will go more in depth on the earth Cylons. I still have a lot of questions. For instance: Were the F5 funded by a government to recreate resurrection? Who exactly on Earth knew they were actually Cylons and had the ability to resurrect, was it only the F5 that knew? How did the F5 find out the truth of Earth's history as the 13th colony of Kobol? Did the general population of Earth ever find out? What time period did the holocaust occur on Earth, was it the Near future?

[BlackLantern]

I think a supernove happened to earth.....an exploding star would leave radiation

[BlackLantern]

I hope they will go more in depth on the earth Cylons. I still have a lot of questions. For instance: Were the F5 funded by a government to recreate resurrection? Who exactly on Earth knew they were actually Cylons and had the ability to resurrect, was it only the F5 that knew? How did the F5 find out the truth of Earth's history as the 13th colony of Kobol? Did the general population of Earth ever find out? What time period did the holocaust occur on Earth, was it the Near future?

I think they established Earth as that colony....maybe some of the Cylons travelled back to Kobol and word spread that the Cylons were out there.....maybe Earth was the first colony

[TheCorpulent1]

Wouldn't Kobol have been the first colony?

Or, no, I guess Kobol would've been their homeworld, not a colony.

[BlackLantern]

maybe Kobol (in that universe) is the original home of humanity....

[888]

Even so, I'm assuming Ronald Moore is intending for the"Earth" in the show to be the same as our "Earth". If that's so than if "we"(meaning the residents of Earth) currently don't know that we're originally from Kobol, then how exactly did the F5 get access to this hidden knowledge as they're just like us, in that they're the average ignorant Earth skinjobs. Unless they aren't. I just hope that's given a little more clarity.

[Sawyer]

Such a great frakkin episode last night. I loved that Cavil is the whiney, unappreciative child of the final five. And Tyrol's reaction to he and tory being engaged on Earth. He was like "pssh... yeah frakkin right." and she was like "it could happen... :csad:"

I'm also very curious about this Daniel. I'm just glad the writers have made sense of there being no Number 7. The next five episodes should be very interesting.

[Superfreak]

nice discussion... which leads me to this thought. Kara is from Kobol, or Kara is the cylon human from earth that travelled back to Kobol with the map, and perhaps the arrow. Something like that. If she's a cylon, she's not normal, if she's human, she's not normal.

it seems that every destroyed civilization left a little something behind to help those that followed 100s if not 1000s of years later. Could Kara be that thing left over from the original exodus from Kobol?

[BlackLantern]

Such a great frakkin episode last night. I loved that Cavil is the whiney, unappreciative child of the final five. And Tyrol's reaction to he and tory being engaged on Earth. He was like "pssh... yeah frakkin right." and she was like "it could happen... :csad:"

I'm also very curious about this Daniel. I'm just glad the writers have made sense of there being no Number 7. The next five episodes should be very interesting.

That's because ever since she found out she was a Cylon it's like someone flipped on the Turbo**** switch.....she's practically been in heat ever since

[Angry Sentinel]

Agreed, Kara thrace is something else. So again I ask... Who is her father? Even her mother knew she was special, different, needed to be hardened. We assumed about her along time ago.... maybe she's a Hybrid. The only one that didn't go crazy and babble a whole lot.

Maybe dying for Kara is just another way of being downloaded. Except she can reform her body as well, unlike any Cylon or Human.

If this is true, then it would explain why Hera is so important. Maybe she can do the same thing.

Also, I don't think we've learned that last about this 13th Cylon Daniel. Wasn't Daniel the dreamer (dream interpreter) in the bible?

[TheComicbookKid]

So if it took them 1000 years to get back to Earth because they had no FTL drives then they also should have taken 1000 years to get to Earth originally right?

[TheComicbookKid]

Agreed, Kara thrace is something else. So again I ask... Who is her father? Even her mother knew she was special, different, needed to be hardened. We assumed about her along time ago.... maybe she's a Hybrid. The only one that didn't go crazy and babble a whole lot.

Maybe dying for Kara is just another way of being downloaded. Except she can reform her body as well, unlike any Cylon or Human.

If this is true, then it would explain why Hera is so important. Maybe she can do the same thing.

Also, I don't think we've learned that last about this 13th Cylon Daniel. Wasn't Daniel the dreamer (dream interpreter) in the bible?


I was thinking the same thing. It's not like there hasn't been a Human/Cylon baby before. Mixing a natural death with a cylon ressurection.

[BlackLantern]

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-.html

for those who need a primer

[Superfreak]

And Tyrol's reaction to he and tory being engaged on Earth. He was like "pssh... yeah frakkin right." and she was like "it could happen... :csad:"



The way Anders delivered the line "no, you were madly in love, you were planning on getting married", it was priceless, he reminds me of someone the way he spit it out. Will Farrel or someone

[Angry Sentinel]

I was thinking the same thing. It's not like there hasn't been a Human/Cylon baby before. Mixing a natural death with a cylon ressurection. Yeah, it is all just speculation, but it isn't the worst thing I've heard.

How about all the biblical arguing. Love, one God, creating us perfect, yet feeling flawed, Cain killing Able (John killing Daniel). That was like watching the seen from the matrix reloaded between Neo and the Architect, except done a WHOLE lot better.

Anyway, I'm holding to the theory that only Hybrids can end this viscious cycle. Hence the analogy of the Galactica having to become a hybrid to survive.

Anybody want to comment on the F5 seeing an Angel that warned them about the impending doom? Like Baltar's Angel, or even Six's Baltar Angel. Even Ellen hinted that there was a supernatural will guiding this whole thing.

[TheCorpulent1]

So if it took them 1000 years to get back to Earth because they had no FTL drives then they also should have taken 1000 years to get to Earth originally right?
2000 years, and yes. The thirteenth tribe left Kobol about 2000 years before the mass exodus of the other twelve tribes. They mentioned that at some point. Possibly the mini-series.

[EdRyder]

nice discussion... which leads me to this thought. Kara is from Kobol, or Kara is the cylon human from earth that travelled back to Kobol with the map, and perhaps the arrow. Something like that. If she's a cylon, she's not normal, if she's human, she's not normal.

it seems that every destroyed civilization left a little something behind to help those that followed 100s if not 1000s of years later. Could Kara be that thing left over from the original exodus from Kobol?

Im still a little confused about last night.(the final five, the 13th tribe and the centurions)
But its possible that Kara is a Centurion skin job.They would want revenge on both the 13th tribes decendants and the Cylons/f5.

Question: Is it safe to assume "centurions" are those old school original series model cylons? And that theyre something else entirely different from the cylons that were created by the final five, our cylons?

[TheCorpulent1]

"Centurions" just refers to the non-human-form Cylons.

[Superfreak]

Im still a little confused about last night.(the final five, the 13th tribe and the centurions)
But its possible that Kara is a Centurion skin job.They would want revenge on both the 13th tribes decendants and the Cylons/f5.

Question: Is it safe to assume "centurions" are those old school original series model cylons? And that theyre something else entirely different from the cylons that were created by the final five, our cylons?

well there are a whole variety of cylons now.

1)13th tribe, who gave up on resurection, and began breeding, becoming human, resulting in the final five.
2)there are the centurion slave cylons that the 13th colony had, and were wiped out by. (this point is vague though). We saw a head at the excavation on earth.
3)the 12 colonies spontaneously created their own cylons (the old school looking ones). These are the cylon of the first cylon war, those seen in Razor. Including the original hybrid(s)
4)the descendants of the 12 colony's cylon, our 'current' cylons and hybrids, including models 1-8 when the F5 showed up.

[EdRyder]

"Centurions" just refers to the non-human-form Cylons.

So the F5 that we know were just 'assimilated' into Cylon life after giving them ressurection?

[TheCorpulent1]

What? No, resurrection was developed on Earth by the thirteenth tribe, of which the Final Five were members. Then they came to the Cylons on the other 12 colonies during the First Cylon War and gave them resurrection tech and created human-form Cylons for them, starting with Cavill.
well there are a whole variety of cylons now.

1)13th tribe, who gave up on resurection, and began breeding, becoming human, resulting in the final five.
2)there are the centurion slave cylons that the 13th colony had, and were wiped out by. (this point is vague though). We saw a head at the excavation on earth.
3)the 12 colonies spontaneously created their own cylons (the old school looking ones). These are the cylon of the first cylon war, those seen in Razor. Including the original hybrid(s)
4)the descendants of the 12 colony's cylon, our 'current' cylons and hybrids, including models 1-8 when the F5 showed up.
Yep. Also, the thirteenth tribe were the original Cylons that were created by the humans on Kobol. So we've got a pretty solid picture of the evolution of the entire Cylon race.

[Superfreak]

So the F5 that we know were just 'assimilated' into Cylon life after giving them ressurection?

at first perhaps, but it seems that not long after the F5 ended the first cylon war and delivered on skin jobs and ressurection, John/Cavill double crossed them, mind wiped them, and seeded them throughout the colonies.

[EdRyder]

What? No, resurrection was developed on Earth by the thirteenth tribe, of which the Final Five were members.



See Im confused as hell.I need to watch that one again.
The way I understood Anders break down was:They stepped in to stop the Centurions from attacking the 13th tribe and gave them ressurection.

[Superfreak]

What? No, resurrection was developed on Earth by the thirteenth tribe, of which the Final Five were members. Then they came to the Cylons on the other 12 colonies during the First Cylon War and gave them resurrection tech and created human-form Cylons for them, starting with Cavill.

Yep. Also, the thirteenth tribe were the original Cylons that were created by the humans on Kobol. So we've got a pretty solid picture of the evolution of the entire Cylon race.

except for the spontaneous occurence of cylon in the 12 colonies. It would blow my socks off if that's what 'Caprica' was about. You know, some 12th colony, 'pre cylon', scientists discover the remains of a centurion, and reverse engineer it to create their own cylon slave race.

[TheCorpulent1]

Possibly. I figured they just built Cylons on their own because robot slaves aren't exactly a unique idea.

[Sawyer]

I loved how different Cylon Ellen was from Human Ellen (i know she was never human, I just say that because they are so different). It makes me wonder what Tyrol, Sam, Tigh and Tory were like before the holocaust on Earth...

[BlackLantern]

except for the spontaneous occurence of cylon in the 12 colonies. It would blow my socks off if that's what 'Caprica' was about. You know, some 12th colony, 'pre cylon', scientists discover the remains of a centurion, and reverse engineer it to create their own cylon slave race.

that could be the case....

[TheCorpulent1]

I loved how different Cylon Ellen was from Human Ellen (i know she was never human, I just say that because they are so different). It makes me wonder what Tyrol, Sam, Tigh and Tory were like before the holocaust on Earth...
Judging from the flashbacks, Tigh was a beaurocrat of some kind (which I find hilarious).

[Manic]

I loved the actress' performance during her resurrection. You could pinpoint the exact moment where her original memories came back.

[Fading]

Agreed, Kara thrace is something else... Even her mother knew she was special, different, needed to be hardened.

I'm questioning if she even had a mother. We saw how Cavil messed with the final 5's memories, who's to say any of Starbuck's memories are real. Did she really ever have a mother? Did she actually draw that circle as a kid. Or is it programming that just clicked on to make her follow a certain course.

Anyone want to comment on the F5 seeing an Angel that warned them about the impending doom? Like Baltar's Angel, or Six's Angel.

If Cavil was designed after Ellen's father, maybe Six was designed to look like the Angel the F5 saw. Maybe the Angel, and Starbuck are remanents of an even older form of cylon that even the Earth cylon's didn't know about, adding to the whole loop deal, maybe all of this happened before the tribes and Earth as well.

[BlackLantern]

Who nuked Earth?? and why?? was it Cavil....?

[Movies205]

What I really don't get is that they've had the capability of space travel for 4,000 years? :huh: Like how did the 13th Tribe leave?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, they must've had space travel for at least that long. Ellen mentions that it was sub-luminal until relatively recently, though. It seems the 12 colonies were the first to invent jump technology.
I'm questioning if she even had a mother. We saw how Cavil messed with the final 5's memories, who's to say any of Starbuck's memories are real. Did she really ever have a mother? Did she actually draw that circle as a kid. Or is it programming that just clicked on to make her follow a certain course.



If Cavil was designed after Ellen's father, maybe Six was designed to look like the Angel the F5 saw. Maybe the Angel, and Starbuck are remanents of an even older form of cylon that even the Earth cylon's didn't know about, adding to the whole loop deal, maybe all of this happened before the tribes and Earth as well.
I thought the angel was different for each of them. Like Tori saw a man and Anders saw a woman.

[BlackLantern]

No their memories of Daniel have been altered or removed by Cavil....Tori would remember Daniel as a woman, Chief would remember as a man

[Superfreak]

Who nuked Earth?? and why?? was it Cavil....?

right now it seems pretty clear that earth was nuked by second generation centurions that the 13th colony human cylons used as 'slaves'. Although it hasn't been clearly stated on the show. That's what the pieces sound like... so far.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but I'm thinking there must be more to it. A simple Cylon uprising seems a bit too easy, especially since the human/Cylon struggles are supposed to be cyclical and the current cycle with the colonies' humans and Cylons has been anything but simple.

[Fading]

Yeah, they must've had space travel for at least that long. Ellen mentions that it was sub-luminal until relatively recently, though. It seems the 12 colonies were the first to invent jump technology.

I thought the angel was different for each of them. Like Tori saw a man and Anders saw a woman.

I'm just spouting off whatever comes to mind, heh. It could have been. I do hope if they don't fully explain things, that after 'Caprica' we get 'Earth'.


Like here's another random, but probably wrong, thought. Cavil created Starbuck to lead the humans to their deaths. He knew Earth was nuked from the final 5. So he created an emotional unstable cylon, and stored info on how to get to Earth knowing that the human survivors would follow the bread crumbs, and find despair.


As much as I enjoy speculating on this series tho, I've been getting a lot wrong lately. It's not like other shows where the outcome is pretty predictible.

[BlackLantern]

I could see that....if all else failed Starbuck would be Cavils failsafe....Cavil doesn't like being a "human"....so does he just want to be a machine or does he just want to wipe everyone out.??

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he wants, first and foremost, validation from his "parents" (the Final Five) that he's right and they're wrong. Then he wants their help in restoring resurrection so, presumably, all of the human-form Cylons can be killed and downloaded into the Centurion bodies they deserve.

[Fading]

right now it seems pretty clear that earth was nuked by second generation centurions that the 13th colony human cylons used as 'slaves'. Although it hasn't been clearly stated on the show. That's what the pieces sound like... so far.

I agree, it probably was the centurions as well. I see Corps point of it being too simple of an explanation, but it makes sense. Especially since free will had been stripped from the centurions in the first place. If they did rebel before, maybe it's a safety measure to keep them from repeating history. Especially if you add in Cavil's way of thinking. He said he wanted to be a pure machine, metal, hated human eyes, hated his emotions. What if the Centurions at their core are the same, and just dispise flesh, human traits, ect., and that includes the skin jobs.

[BlackLantern]

maybe Tori should just have sex with him....

[Sawyer]

maybe Tori should just have sex with him....

I dont think that even she would stoop that low.

But I've been wrong before.

[BlackLantern]

You can't knock her for Baltar...because Baltar has managed to get into the pants of quite a few women on that show....

[Movies205]

Is anyone curious about the original centurions? The ones that Ellen made a deal with? Like where the **** are they? Why is Cavil pulling all the strings?

[Sawyer]

You can't knock her for Baltar...because Baltar has managed to get into the pants of quite a few women on that show....

I never have. ****, if I was a chick on this show, I'd probably screw him too...

[TheCorpulent1]

It's a Battlestar Galactica tradition that everyone f***s Baltar at some point.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Cavil, though. I like that the show now has a clear villain again, and it's great to know that there's been one mastermind behind this whole thing whom we already knew about. I kept seeing these theories about a third, super-omnipotent race being thrown around and I thought that would be just about the worst thing that could happen to BSG.

[Superfreak]

I'm just spouting off whatever comes to mind, heh. It could have been. I do hope if they don't fully explain things, that after 'Caprica' we get 'Earth'.


Like here's another random, but probably wrong, thought. Cavil created Starbuck to lead the humans to their deaths. He knew Earth was nuked from the final 5. So he created an emotional unstable cylon, and stored info on how to get to Earth knowing that the human survivors would follow the bread crumbs, and find despair.


As much as I enjoy speculating on this series tho, I've been getting a lot wrong lately. It's not like other shows where the outcome is pretty predictible.


doesn't explain Roslin though. They should throw her back on the Kamala, and see what happens.

... that's what's been so good about this show, the things that happen are predictable, but the way they happen, and who they happen to is brilliant.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is anyone curious about the original centurions? The ones that Ellen made a deal with? Like where the **** are they? Why is Cavil pulling all the strings?
I figured they all had their free will stripped from them when the skinjobs were created, and then their designs evolved over time into the present-day Centurions.