The Battlestar Galactica and Caprica Discussion Thread

[aaron]

and the last word being a frak followed by a grunt

[Sawyer]

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20245107_20245113_20265376,00.html

Honestly, after reading that, I realize how much the original BSG fans fail. Seriously, Sackhoff got death threats?! Get over it. The original was a doodoo show...

[aaron]

i've never seen the original bsg

[Manic]

You're missing some Star Wars-esque space fights, combined with Buck Rogers-esque set designs and Star-Trek-on-a-bad-day episodes.

Similar premise, though. Cylons have destroyed the colonies, and the last humans are looking for Earth. Only the Cylons all still look like robots, Baltar is a maniacal bad guy who's helping the Cylons hunt the humans, and they run into aliens and devils and stuff. Oh, and they run into like 10,000 inhabitable planets. And Starbuck is a dude, Col. Tigh is black, and Boomer is a black dude.

[aaron]

is it as deep and mysterious and creative with all it's plots and everything?

[Manic]

is it as deep and mysterious and creative with all it's plots and everything?
"Star Trek on a bad day."

[aaron]

haha wow

[BlackLantern]

interesting read there

[aaron]

i kinda wanted to check it out, but now..no way

[aaron]

i love watching a finale knowing loads of people are going to die

[blksuperman2]

You're missing some Star Wars-esque space fights, combined with Buck Rogers-esque set designs and Star-Trek-on-a-bad-day episodes.

Similar premise, though. Cylons have destroyed the colonies, and the last humans are looking for Earth. Only the Cylons all still look like robots, Baltar is a maniacal bad guy who's helping the Cylons hunt the humans, and they run into aliens and devils and stuff. Oh, and they run into like 10,000 inhabitable planets. And Starbuck is a dude, Col. Tigh is black, and Boomer is a black dude.

I was talking w/ a co-worker of mine the other day about that. What real reason did they have to find Earth? They knew that Earth was primitive and couldn't help them fight the Cylons. And, Frak, LOL, they were leading their mortar enemies right to Earth.

That show made no sense. Someone, I think it was in this thread called it Dukes of Hazard in Space. I think that somes it up. Starbuck was Bo and Apollo was Duke. Adama = Uncle Jesse. LOL

[Manic]

One of the weirdest things I remember about the old show was an episode where they ran out of food, so they found a nearby planet with people already on it, and jumped through hoops to get food from them. It made no sense.

[Superfreak]

i kinda wanted to check it out, but now..no way

It's not that bad. I was certainly on par with anything that was coming out at the same time on TV. Check it out. In the earlier season's of this BSG, the old BSG was a brilliant map to what was going on.

It's bad, but not as bad as described. StarWars+Dukes of Hazard.

BSG80,,, I'd suggest skipping that though

[Sentry2005]

Ok, so are we pretty much safe in assuming Anders is gone after the finale? He is after all plugged into Galactica. And I REALLY don't see her surviving.

Starbuck apparently ends up with someone, so could this be Anders? Anders and Kara in a blaze of Angelic glory destroying the Colony, bringing about the end times of humanity and the dawn of a new Cylon/Human era as the fleet tries to find somewhere to live safely? It's my new preference for thought.

Can we try and make a list of those who are likely to die? Then it'll be easier to work out who 'might' live. Haha. Gotta love a show where you're trying to work out who might live rather than might die :D

[Superfreak]

Ok, so are we pretty much safe in assuming Anders is gone after the finale? He is after all plugged into Galactica. And I REALLY don't see her surviving.

Starbuck apparently ends up with someone, so could this be Anders? Anders and Kara in a blaze of Angelic glory destroying the Colony, bringing about the end times of humanity and the dawn of a new Cylon/Human era as the fleet tries to find somewhere to live safely? It's my new preference for thought.

Can we try and make a list of those who are likely to die? Then it'll be easier to work out who 'might' live. Haha. Gotta love a show where you're trying to work out who might live rather than might die :D

Helo for sure
Roslin for sure

I want Tory to die


I think the Chief and Boomer will die too
and Athena (to leave Hera with Baltar and Caprica)
But I also think Caprica is going to die, and that the caprica with Baltar is the one in his head (never realized how very John Crichton-Harvey-Scorpius that whole relationship really is)

PS. thank the gods that Zack Adama turned out to be in flashbacks. There was a lot of speculation when cast list came out at the beginning of the season, that Zack would turn out to be the final cylon. few

[Sentry2005]

I've been talking with a friend about this over msn, and here's my thoughts based on several things;

Roslin, dead. Defo.

Anders, dead. He's part of Galactica at the moment, so I don't see him coming back.

Starbuck, dead. She's already gone once, and if I'm reading her role in the prophecy right its to end the conflict between Cylon and Human (and letting Human-Cylon Hybrids become the new species). Stop Cavil, job done more or less.

Tigh, Tori, Ellen, Tyrol, dead. Don't see any of the Final Five surviving, which depresses me. The only one I can see surviving is Ellen, as a sort of balance with her being the only one not to make it off New Caprica. I can see Tori shifting sides, with Galen killing her for it and maybe even sacrificing himself. Tigh, like I've said before, just HAS to be the one to end Cavil. Daddy's coming home :D

Adama, dead most likely. No use for a Commander without a Battlestar. He'll get the kid back, he'll stop the Cylons, and he'll be dead.

Lee, survives. Someone has to lead the fleet. Someone has to go on. Lee Adama is that man. I don't see him dying, there really is no need for it. He's the light at the end of the tunnel. He'll lead what's left of the fleet to a new home one day...

Baltar, survives. Despite a last minute joining of the mission (hey, I think its gonna happen), he'll survive. It would be the best kick in the teeth he's ever had; standing up for what is right and acting selflessly is something that will get you killed (or so it has been in Gaius' eyes for the length of the series). What does he find the one time he does something selfless and noble. He survives.

That's MY opinion. I know we've heard everything coming from the producers and cast NOT to expect a happy ending, but if you look at that list, I'm really not. I'm expecting majority of the cast to die, but win ultimately.

It's not the happy ending we wanted with Adama and Roslin looking out over the green pastures of Earth. It's the bitter sweet ending we needed. No matter how hard things get, there will be people to fight on. And, sure, they'll die, but we all do. It's what you do while you're here that counts, and these people are going to go out making sure the rest of the fleet, the nameless few, are safe in the future. My two cents anyways.

[Marz69]

"Star Trek on a bad day."
I liked Star Trek, even on a bad day. :oldrazz:

[aaron]

yeah i think baltar will survive

[Sentry2005]

I liked Star Trek, even on a bad day. :oldrazz:

Even a Sunday? :wow:

(UK used to get Voyager premiering on Sundays on BBC)

[aaron]

i need to watch more geeky scifi

i always wanted to try.. oh man, i forget the name.. it was on bbc2

oh- farscape! any good?

[roach]

It's not that bad. I was certainly on par with anything that was coming out at the same time on TV. Check it out. In the earlier season's of this BSG, the old BSG was a brilliant map to what was going on.

It's bad, but not as bad as described. StarWars+Dukes of Hazard.

BSG80,,, I'd suggest skipping that though

i owned the whole complete series and liked it

[aaron]

looks cheesetacular

[BlackLantern]

i owned the whole complete series and liked it

Then you must be into Mental BDSM

[Manic]

oh- farscape! any good?
It's made by the Jim Henson company, so it uses a lot of muppet tech. Once you get past the puppeteering, it's a pretty good show.

[aaron]

kermit's in it?

[Sentry2005]

Farscape was awesome, but for the completely opposite reason BSG is; it wasn't dark and brooding, it was light and fun. Not so light and fun as to seem cheesy (i.e. Doctor Who, which in no way is a diss... love the cheese in Who), but more action adventure based.

I was never bothered by the anamatronic characters. Seeing as there were like two on the main crew and that's it.

Good action, interesting story, funny, thoughtful and moving at time. Also, bonus points for the word Frell.

[Manic]

I feel so sorry for Farscape. They got cheated so badly in the end. They ended their final season on a cliffhanger because they were told they were getting another season, but Sci-Fi cancelled them to fund more Stargate SG-1. Then Farscape gets one final miniseries to wrap itself up, but a few plot points were clearly meant to be season-spanning, and just felt rushed. And then BSG comes along, and all the nerds stop saying "frell" to say "frak."

[Evelisse]

its the "K" at the end of the word "Frak" that makes it far superior a future curse word than "Frell".

[Manic]

I'll admit that even I like "frak" more than "frell." It's still sad, though. But hey, at least one of BSG's made-up words caught on. It's not like "yarens," (years) which pretty much got dropped after the miniseries.

[wobbly]

I always kinda liked "felgercarb" from the old series. Officially I think it was meant to mean "crap" but I always saw it as being "Sh#t" (I was about 10 years old)
The new series turned it into a toothpaste.

[Evelisse]

So on the Last Fraken Special, did Olmos just say Adama is the last to leave the Galactica and in a viper no less. Sounds about right, the way it should be.

[The Apocalypse]

So on the Last Fraken Special, did Olmos just say Adama is the last to leave the Galactica and in a viper no less. Sounds about right, the way it should be.

Wasn't that the plan anyway?

[Evelisse]

I guess, kind of thought he'd go down with the ship though.

[Marz69]

http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20245107_20245113_20265376,00.html

Honestly, after reading that, I realize how much the original BSG fans fail. Seriously, Sackhoff got death threats?! Get over it. The original was a doodoo show...
There's a group of TOSers that complain about BSG. They just love the original & feel the new BSG is destroying the integrity of it. :whatever:

It was a fun cheesy show, but hardly worth preserving. And I won't even talk about the 1980 earth sequel to it. :facepalm

And if the movie is going to take place where it left off from the original series, then what's the point of BSG with the premise of them looking for earth. Plus, how many people really give a Frak. :huh:

Even a Sunday? :wow:

(UK used to get Voyager premiering on Sundays on BBC)
lol I was never a Voyager fan. Star Trek & the STNG. But that borg chick was hot.

i need to watch more geeky scifi

i always wanted to try.. oh man, i forget the name.. it was on bbc2

oh- farscape! any good?
There was another show that was good. I can't remember the name or the star actor. lol But it's about a guy who is being chased by a covert alien race. He uses the notes of Nostradamus to determine his next move in staying one step ahead.

[Marz69]

I remembered that the actor in the Nastradamus show plays Narcho in BSG. Doing a imdb look-up, the show is called "First Wave"

[Superfreak]

for some odd reason, in the flashbacks, I think a main character will have been responsible for the deaths of Roslin's family. Drunk driving was a strange theme... between Baltar and 6 in the Limo, and then her fam being hit by a drunk. And somehow, I think it will be Adama, when he's a miserable ex veteran.

[Sawyer]

On the last frakkin' special, Grace Park said she got married...

:csad:

[union_jak]

I liked the original BSG. No one here should b**** about it as the modern BSG owes everything to it.

Different topic, but how come we never see the red lights anymore? That was like one of the biggest things associated with this show. I haven't seen a skinjob flash red lights since Caprica Six in the mini series :(

Anyone hope we'll see some actual Cylons fighting one last time in the finale? We don't see enough guns and robot noises anymore.

[Sawyer]

I liked the original BSG. No one here should b**** about it as the modern BSG owes everything to it.

Different topic, but how come we never see the red lights anymore? That was like one of the biggest things associated with this show. I haven't seen a skinjob flash red lights since Caprica Six in the mini series :(

Anyone hope we'll see some actual Cylons fighting one last time in the finale? We don't see enough guns and robot noises anymore.

Uhh... yeah ****in' right! They owe the main plot of the series and a few character names to the original. Nothing else. Ron Moore and David Eick turned turds into gold with BSG.

[Manic]

They also owe a few scant plots to the original series, like Battlestar Pegasus and Admiral Cain. Not what they did with them, but the fact that the Pegasus popped up out of nowhere and joined them. Except the Pegasus was gone after two episodes in the original.

[Marz69]

for some odd reason, in the flashbacks, I think a main character will have been responsible for the deaths of Roslin's family. Drunk driving was a strange theme... between Baltar and 6 in the Limo, and then her fam being hit by a drunk. And somehow, I think it will be Adama, when he's a miserable ex veteran.
Lee was drunk in the last episode. The scene with the pigeon. It made me wonder if he wasn't the driver. But I think the officer said something about the driver, so I guess it wasn't Lee.

Maybe there is no connection to anyone. It's just her story.

I liked the original BSG. No one here should b**** about it as the modern BSG owes everything to it.

Different topic, but how come we never see the red lights anymore? That was like one of the biggest things associated with this show. I haven't seen a skinjob flash red lights since Caprica Six in the mini series :(

Anyone hope we'll see some actual Cylons fighting one last time in the finale? We don't see enough guns and robot noises anymore.
I liked the original. It was fun and cheesy. But it wasn't set in a time where it could have been given the appropriate darkness, The new one is just better quality.

So making a movie to finish up the old one is ridiculous. The story ended & was re-written better for today's times.

[Superfreak]

Lee was drunk in the last episode. The scene with the pigeon. It made me wonder if he wasn't the driver. But I think the officer said something about the driver, so I guess it wasn't Lee.

Maybe there is no connection to anyone. It's just her story.


I liked the original. It was fun and cheesy. But it wasn't set in a time where it could have been given the appropriate darkness, The new one is just better quality.

So making a movie to finish up the old one is ridiculous. The story ended & was re-written better for today's times.

yeah, there was that weird scene of Lee all wasted chasing the pigeon. Somehow, I think all the flashbacks will be connected.

the original was mint for the time in which it was made, plain and simple.

[Sawyer]

Lee was drunk in the last episode. The scene with the pigeon. It made me wonder if he wasn't the driver. But I think the officer said something about the driver, so I guess it wasn't Lee.

Maybe there is no connection to anyone. It's just her story.


I liked the original. It was fun and cheesy. But it wasn't set in a time where it could have been given the appropriate darkness, The new one is just better quality.

So making a movie to finish up the old one is ridiculous. The story ended & was re-written better for today's times.

It wasnt Lee. It probably isnt even an important character. That'd be just plain ****** writing and a stupid thing to do in the series finale..

[union_jak]

Uhh... yeah ****in' right! They owe the main plot of the series and a few character names to the original. Nothing else. Ron Moore and David Eick turned turds into gold with BSG.

They also owe a few scant plots to the original series, like Battlestar Pegasus and Admiral Cain. Not what they did with them, but the fact that the Pegasus popped up out of nowhere and joined them. Except the Pegasus was gone after two episodes in the original.
You both missed my obvious point. This version is a remake of the original Battlestar Galactica. If the 1978 series was never made, the current one would not exist, simple as.

[Manic]

You both missed my obvious point. This version is a remake of the original Battlestar Galactica. If the 1978 series was never made, the current one would not exist, simple as.
I don't think you're telling any of us anything we didn't already know. However, the new show didn't take very much from the old one aside from a few plot points and names.

[union_jak]

I don't think you're telling any of us anything we didn't already know. However, the new show didn't take very much from the old one aside from a few plot points and names.
Grrr I'm not saying the new one lived off the previous one as a bible, just that it could never have existed without it. Therefore, I'm grateful towards the original at the very least.

There's nothing wrong with liking both versions, and I like them in two different ways :huh:

[elgaz]

Not long to go now.

I hope things end with a bang and we don't get some kind of uneasy alliance between man and machine like we got at the end of the Matrix trilogy. Cavill needs to die...!

[Superfreak]

I don't think you're telling any of us anything we didn't already know. However, the new show didn't take very much from the old one aside from a few plot points and names.

how about stylization, visuals, music, and central narrative.

[aaron]

exactly

[aaron]

Not long to go now.

I hope things end with a bang and we don't get some kind of uneasy alliance between man and machine like we got at the end of the Matrix trilogy. Cavill needs to die...!

i hope he gets what's coming to him.

[Dugath]

On the last frakkin' special, Grace Park said she got married...

:csad:

I think she meant in the show when she got married.. Helo said welcome to your new family or something like that.. and that is how she feels the People on BSG is like her family.

[Superfreak]

It wasnt Lee. It probably isnt even an important character. That'd be just plain ****** writing and a stupid thing to do in the series finale..

I dunno, something like a singular event in the character's pasts, motivated them into a direction that lead them to where they are now... alive.

I really wish they had shown more of Adama as a struggling worker.

[Evelisse]

I think she meant in the show when she got married.. Helo said welcome to your new family or something like that.. and that is how she feels the People on BSG is like her family.

i dont remember Athena and Helo ever getting married,

I would have like to rent Edward J Olmos to give a toast at my wedding, he'd force people into chanting So Say We All...So Say We All...So Say We All...So Say We All!!

[Nivek]

I've been meaning to catch up on this series, and I know the basic premise, is the final episode something to watch? Will it mess me up to watch the last one like that?

[BlackLantern]

I've been meaning to catch up on this series, and I know the basic premise, is the final episode something to watch? Will it mess me up to watch the last one like that?

if you haven't watched any of the latter half of season 3 or any of season 4 you might be a little lost

[Sawyer]

But its still definately worth watching.

[Superfreak]

I've been meaning to catch up on this series, and I know the basic premise, is the final episode something to watch? Will it mess me up to watch the last one like that?

most definately don't let this be a show that you watch the finale, before the rest of the series. Like Lost, it's much more enjoyable if you watch it through in order

[aaron]

But its still definately worth watching.

not if he hasn't watch the last couple of dozen episodes before it.

[aaron]

Farscape was awesome, but for the completely opposite reason BSG is; it wasn't dark and brooding, it was light and fun. Not so light and fun as to seem cheesy (i.e. Doctor Who, which in no way is a diss... love the cheese in Who), but more action adventure based.

I was never bothered by the anamatronic characters. Seeing as there were like two on the main crew and that's it.

Good action, interesting story, funny, thoughtful and moving at time. Also, bonus points for the word Frell.

is it on bluray? i'd check it out.

[BlackLantern]

is it on bluray? i'd check it out.

Stop being such a prima donna....it's on dvd....

[Sawyer]

Stop being such a prima donna....it's on dvd....

Seconded. Blu-Ray can go **** itself. DVD all the way.

[aaron]

Stop being such a prima donna....it's on dvd....

shut up.

[aaron]

Seconded. Blu-Ray can go **** itself. DVD all the way.

you too.

[BlackLantern]

I don't mind Blu-Ray at all....a new format and tech moving forward is great but people are starting to get snobby about it now....DVD is still a very viable and accessible format....its part of the reason why the independent film scene has grown so much

[Sentry2005]

Yeah, totally. I've got a blu-ray player, and the only thing i've bought on blu-ray instead of dvd is Band of Brothers. Really... you notice it, but only like half way through an episode of BoB, and you remember 'oh yeah, this is hi def'. If i'm watching a dvd its just like.... this is as awesome as it would be on the twice as expensive blu-ray.

[roach]

ok i keep hearing the phrase whats is happening has happened before....what if they find an elaborate way to link this to the orignal series and that humanity is stuck in a perpetual cycle with the cylons

[aaron]

Yeah, totally. I've got a blu-ray player, and the only thing i've bought on blu-ray instead of dvd is Band of Brothers. Really... you notice it, but only like half way through an episode of BoB, and you remember 'oh yeah, this is hi def'. If i'm watching a dvd its just like.... this is as awesome as it would be on the twice as expensive blu-ray.

so bob blu ray isn't that impressive?

[Sawyer]

It just hit me of how tragic Gaeta's death was. I was so bloodthirsty after what he did, but he really spent like 99% of his life trying to do good and serving Adama unquestioningly, but in the course of a few days he made a few bad judgement calls and in the end, died a traitor and lost all the respect Adama ever had for him.

[aaron]

i'm happy he had a kind of reconciliation with baltar.

[Sentry2005]

so bob blu ray isn't that impressive?

No, it's as impressive as any Blu-Ray, which isn't that much. People just cream on about how much better it is. It's not. The format is sharper, but given how crap human eyes, it's not that noticeable.

In fact, I think BoB is the best Blu-Ray i've seen, hence why I even bought it in that format. Mostly it's over charged for something that isn't that much better.

Also, if you're only ever going to buy Blu-Rays, then you're going to miss out on a HELL of a lot of good shows/films which are simply too old to be given priority release. Like Farscape. And that is totally like cutting off your nose to spite your face... the only person who loses, is you.

[Sentry2005]

It just hit me of how tragic Gaeta's death was. I was so bloodthirsty after what he did, but he really spent like 99% of his life trying to do good and serving Adama unquestioningly, but in the course of a few days he made a few bad judgement calls and in the end, died a traitor and lost all the respect Adama ever had for him.

For me, it was a long time coming. Yes, he was misguided, idealistic, but everyone is forgetting.... he was FRAKING ANNOYING!

I hated Gaeta from about midway through season two. The episode that introduced 3, the news report on Galactica (with Kat taking stims... I think it may have been called 'a day in the life'). He was just such a complete douche when being interviewed.

His best moment was linking the systems to find the fleet at the beginning of season 2... and even that sucked, cos they ended up getting boarded, and then later having to format the entire database. So they luckily run into Pegasus, restore the hard drives and what does Gaeta ask for? porn. In a really seedy way.

I would totally have pulled the trigger if I existed in BSG land and that land was real. Fraking traitor.

[LadyVader]

It just hit me of how tragic Gaeta's death was. I was so bloodthirsty after what he did, but he really spent like 99% of his life trying to do good and serving Adama unquestioningly, but in the course of a few days he made a few bad judgement calls and in the end, died a traitor and lost all the respect Adama ever had for him.

But I think that was the entire point, losing that respect, because you only owe yourself the respect to do what you think is right. Adama himself didn't come out of that whole thing smelling of roses.

I've always liked Gaeta, I was kinda sad to see him betray BSG simply because I knew it can't end well for him, but on the other hand I'm sure that his fans and the people who generally don't find him annoying :oldrazz: understood where he was coming from and he has their respect at least.

[Sentry2005]

I know where he was coming from. He just has a face I want to smash in repeatedly with a hammer. And I his voice grates on my. his hair is stupid. He didn't develop particularly over the course of the series. I liked him in the beginning, and then he had his shining moment in season 2 and never really did anything after that.

Apart from lose a leg. And suck. I hate Gaeta. I get where he was coming from, but I never liked him (beyond opening of season 2), so he doesn't get my respect. I give him contempt. Contempt and bile. That's what thinking of him stirs in me.

[Evelisse]

I know where he was coming from. He just has a face I want to smash in repeatedly with a hammer. And I his voice grates on my. his hair is stupid. He didn't develop particularly over the course of the series. I liked him in the beginning, and then he had his shining moment in season 2 and never really did anything after that.

Apart from lose a leg. And suck. I hate Gaeta. I get where he was coming from, but I never liked him (beyond opening of season 2), so he doesn't get my respect. I give him contempt. Contempt and bile. That's what thinking of him stirs in me.


so say we all.

[FadingCB]

I can't wait for the finale. I expect a high body count. I've been waiting for the body count to rise (not eagerly, you just know it will by the end). I think we'll probably see those who survive getting off of Galactica to start charging to the bridge (or wherever they need to go to take down the Cylon ship) and watch them be picked off one by one on the way.

Lee's the only character I actually expect to survive (same with a lot of ppl, which probably means he'll die lol). I did expect Starbuck to live as well, but with her current story, I think SB will learn some life altering truth about herself, get depressed, and end up dying saving one of the Adama's.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Baltaar sneak on board Galactica and die saving someone else, then as his vision fails we see the Six angel cussing him out saying he ruined whatever plans she had for him as he goes out with a smile, meanwhile everyone else just shrugs in a "I'll be damned" moment and move on seconds later.

[Sawyer]

One more day. :csad:

[Marz69]

It just hit me of how tragic Gaeta's death was. I was so bloodthirsty after what he did, but he really spent like 99% of his life trying to do good and serving Adama unquestioningly, but in the course of a few days he made a few bad judgement calls and in the end, died a traitor and lost all the respect Adama ever had for him.
I thought he had one of the most incredible death scenes. From the conversation with Baltar to him smiling at Zarek & saying that the pain in his leg was gone.

I did feel bad for him. He was idealistic and angry. It was a dark time for everyone. But he was willing to kill people, although not as openly as Zarek. He ordered Roselyn's ship to be shot down & that fake trial with only one outcome - the death of Adama. Gaeta did have it coming. And I respect how it took it in the end.

[Superfreak]

12hrs. can't wait. plus the endless season 4 marathon all day

[Evelisse]

should have been having a week long marathon starting from the mini series leading up to tonight's finale.


today is such a great and yet sad day for tv.

[Superfreak]

"You cannot play God and then wash your hands of the things that you've created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore."

it's interesting how well this applies to... everything.

[wobbly]

Like most I figure not many of the main players will survive the mission. My best bets for those to make it to the credits: Lee, Baltar, Tyrol, Athena, Hera & Helo.

Also figure that Black Hole is gonna play a big part in taking down the colony (why else have it there but to be a great equalizer in the odds), and atm I would guess that might happen sooner in the finale than we might expect. Reason for thinking this is there's still a lot of explaining to do about Earth, Kara, the destiny of the fleet and whatever the hell the guiding force behind it all is. I'd be a bit disappointed if the survivors just meet back up with the fleet and they end it with them all just jumping away, still looking for a home.

[Superfreak]

Like most I figure not many of the main players will survive the mission. My best bets for those to make it to the credits: Lee, Baltar, Tyrol, Athena, Hera & Helo.

Also figure that Black Hole is gonna play a big part in taking down the colony (why else have it there but to be a great equalizer in the odds), and atm I would guess that might happen sooner in the finale than we might expect. Reason for thinking this is there's still a lot of explaining to do about Earth, Kara, the destiny of the fleet and whatever the hell the guiding force behind it all is. I'd be a bit disappointed if the survivors just meet back up with the fleet and they end it with them all just jumping away, still looking for a home.

I don't think Helo and Athena are gonna make, given the visions. I think Hera will be left with Baltar and 6

[wobbly]

I don't think Helo and Athena are gonna make, given the visions. I think Hera will be left with Baltar and 6


Good point, I'd forgot about the visions.

[Superfreak]

do you guys think you'll be cheering at the tv at the end... or do you think you'll be screaming like D'Argo at the end of the farscape 'series'?

[Marz69]

I don't think Helo and Athena are gonna make, given the visions. I think Hera will be left with Baltar and 6
That's what I think

[BlackLantern]

swords shall be shattered.....shields shall be splintered!!!!

[Superfreak]

swords shall be shattered.....shields shall be splintered!!!!

I can only hope... I'm so excited now, it's gonna be epic

[The Apocalypse]

Oh my gods! Today is the day. So bitter sweet.

[wobbly]

do you guys think you'll be cheering at the tv at the end... or do you think you'll be screaming like D'Argo at the end of the farscape 'series'?

Depends on the ending... Some vague open conclusion with no real explanation for all the hanging mysteries the show has presented (I'm thinking of you X-Files) would get a D'Argo bellow out of me, I know that much.

Adama maybe ramming the Galatica down John's throat would get a cheer though. From what they have been saying, whatever the conclusion, the battle itself should be spectacular.

[Manic]

What mysteries still remain, anyway? What Starbuck is, and the importance of the shared dreams between Laura, Capri, Hera, and Athena?

[wobbly]

What mysteries still remain, anyway? What Starbuck is, and the importance of the shared dreams between Laura, Capri, Hera, and Athena?

'Earth'. The Bob Dylan song. Conflicting timelines for past events. Who or what the controlling force is that Ellen acknowledged was pulling the strings. Who or what visited the final five thousands of years in the past on 'Earth' to warn them of what was coming there. How Kara's corpse even got to Earth, and who gave her resurrected self a brand spanking new viper and sent this ship to the fleet (it doesn't have an FTL so something else got it there) and equipped it with a beacon leading them all back to a planet they wouldn't ever be staying on.

And though much of the above will have the same answer (the who/what I mentioned will be the same thing I would think) I do think each of these points should be addressed and explained.

[Superfreak]

What mysteries still remain, anyway? What Starbuck is, and the importance of the shared dreams between Laura, Capri, Hera, and Athena?

the note!the note! the note! who left the note!

[wobbly]

the note!the note! the note! who left the note!

That one has already sort of been answered, though never on camera (Found this online): "Moore said he’s always considered it to be Balter who left the note. Moore described it in the context of the adjacent scene in which Six and Baltar are walking down a corridor and Baltar is contemplating his guilt about playing a part in the human genocide. He expresses a desire to do something good, hence the note."

Course', if it aint happened on film then it's still up for grabs, but if they don't bother tonight then hold the above as true.

[Superfreak]

That one has already sort of been answered, though never on camera (Found this online): "Moore said he’s always considered it to be Balter who left the note. Moore described it in the context of the adjacent scene in which Six and Baltar are walking down a corridor and Baltar is contemplating his guilt about playing a part in the human genocide. He expresses a desire to do something good, hence the note."

Course', if it aint happened on film then it's still up for grabs, but if they don't bother tonight then hold the above as true.

how did baltar know about the 12 models?

[wobbly]

One other thing comes to mind from back in that first mini, and they tease us every bloody week with it in the titles...How the Frak did Baltar survive that blast at his house?
Seriously, that was the concussive blast from a nuclear bomb tearing his house apart but he walked away with bumps and scratches.

If they do explain this (I'm hoping they might as they have now gone back for Caprica flashbacks) then I can only think that was his 'head 6' somehow protecting him, as I figure she is likely a manifestation of whatever this guiding force is.
This would also explain how head 6 knew things Baltar couldn't have and how she was able to lift Baltar from the ground and hold him up invisibly in one episode too (Would be poor writing to just write that scene off as an imaginary friend).
So whatever this thing is we know it has recreated Kara from a corpse, gave her a Viper and transported it across space, has a liking for Bob Dylan ditties, looks like it manifested itself as Kara's father too (who Moore has confirmed is NOT Daniel btw), and was dabbling about back in the final 5's days back on Earth too. Keeping Baltar safe from the blast would not seem beyond it.

[wobbly]

how did baltar know about the 12 models?

I think 'Head 6' told him.

Edit: I was wrong, Caprica 6 told him just before the blast.

[Superfreak]

I think 'Head 6' told him.

meh

[wobbly]

In the light of now knowing it was Caprica 6 and not head 6 talking to him when the bombs dropped, I guess I have accept that one isn't a mystery. He ducked and got very frakking lucky.

[Evelisse]

hope they answer what the deal is with the "Six" Baltar and the "Baltar" Six sees in their heads.

Would anyone accept total peace? Is there redemption possible for Cavil?

[TheCorpulent1]

I was listening to NPR today and I heard about a panel that the UN (as in the United Nations) held for Battlestar Galactica. Edward James Olmos, Mary McDonnell, Ron Moore, and David Eick were apparently invited to a panel to discuss the impact and importance of the show in relation to modern-day problems like terrorism and discrimination. I can't stay and discuss it because I haven't watched last week's episode yet and I don't want to be spoiled, but I thought I'd share that with those of you who may not have heard. The UN! Frakkin' crazy, right? :wow:

[aaron]

eep, finale tonight

[Sam Fisher]

Not Sure if this has been posted but...

http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2009/03/your-last-2-hours-and-11-minutes.html

[aaron]

yey

and ew.. syfy

[roach]

11 more minutes of awesomeness

[aaron]

and human/cylon killing

[roach]

Frakkkk yeaaaah

[FadingCB]

I almost forgot it started an hour early tonight. The extra 11 minutes sound promising as well. It gives me a feeling that they had so much content they couldn't rap up the episode in 2 hours, and that Sci-fi cares enough to cut into another show to give BSG a proper send off.

[Marz69]

hope they answer what the deal is with the "Six" Baltar and the "Baltar" Six sees in their heads.
Not sure, but it was alluded that head 6 is an angel. Probably like the head characters that appeared to the final five 2000 years ago.

I was listening to NPR today and I heard about a panel that the UN (as in the United Nations) held for Battlestar Galactica. Edward James Olmos, Mary McDonnell, Ron Moore, and David Eick were apparently invited to a panel to discuss the impact and importance of the show in relation to modern-day problems like terrorism and discrimination. I can't stay and discuss it because I haven't watched last week's episode yet and I don't want to be spoiled, but I thought I'd share that with those of you who may not have heard. The UN! Frakkin' crazy, right? :wow:
Sweet! This show really is brilliant. I'm glad it's appreciated.

[aaron]

i hope baltar really turns out to be 'the one' in some way.

[Specter313]

And here we go!

[BlackLantern]

it's time to put rubber to the road

[Evelisse]

the effects for this final fire fight has been sweet.....and we have another whole hour! :)

the Caprica preview....not sure about it yet, looks very different....but that new star gate looks pretty cool, some lou diamond phillips action.

[phoenixflight]

That first hour was frakin' brilliant!!!! So perfectly executed!!!

[Evelisse]

Baltar = Legendary

[Evelisse]

...wow, am glad Tory is dead, good for chief,frak her.

[Robdixxo]

...wow, am glad Tory is dead, good for chief,frak her.

Thanks for the spoiler warning, dip*****.

[Obi-Ron]

Soooo..I never bothered with this show...did the robot dog ever show up or what?

[phoenixflight]

Holy mother of all things...the 2nd hour is beyond fabulous (and satisfying)...

[Evelisse]

Thanks for the spoiler warning, dip*****.

meh, oh well

probably not the night to check the forum if trying to avoid spoilers. :whatever:

[Superfreak]

Baltar is legendary...

that was fantastique!!!!

Galactica is the Opera House

daedelus attack,,, you know what I'm talkin about

and like nobody died... but torrie got the ***** slap she finally deserved.

[Specter313]

Laura. :(

[Evelisse]

what a great show. :word:

[phoenixflight]

I am really going to miss this show!!! Moore cameo...hehehe

[Evelisse]

so Starbuck was what exactly?

[FadingCB]

Wow.....Damn is the only thing I can think to say. The most consistant thing about BSG is it's ability to surprise me. You hear the actors say the ending is bleak, so you expect mass deaths....what you get is a hopeful setting and scenery mixed with melodrama and a breaking up of a family, finished with the hint of the cycle not being broken. It's bleak...but not in the way I imagined. It's bleak in the sense of an underlying sadness and loss of favorite characters, just not in a blood bath, and not bleak in the sense of it being a struggle to survive.

The finale is something that takes time to set it. The more I think about it the more brilliant the ending was. During the show itself I kept expecting this or that, and what I expected never happened.

So thanks BSG for all the glorious seasons, great frakin' show (think thats my first time ever typing or saying frak lol).

[BlackLantern]

not sure about Starbuck....but she got them to where they needed to be.....

[The Apocalypse]

so Starbuck was what exactly?

Seems like she was an Angel.

[Angry Sentinel]

The supernatural element thingy that Baltar went on about. An individual that 'freed' herself from convention so much that she was able to 'defy' the laws that human kind surrounds itself with, like dying and not coming back. Instead, she completely gave in to her purpose and therefore was capable of .... anything.

[FadingCB]

so Starbuck was what exactly?

An Angel I guess, same with head Baltaar and Six.

The way she just suddenly dissapeared was surreal (the settings, conversation, all felt dream like but was happening in Galactica's real world). Laura's death was sad and a bit depressing too, equally with what must have been a lonely life for Bill.



It's funny, but the big reveals of this episode really take a back seat to everything else that happened.

(Spoilers ahead, but everyone should expect them tonight)

Cavil shooting himself, Chief going postal, the opera house reveal unraveling, all were very badass. They all will stick in my mind more than the BSG crew landing on a primitive Earth, or Hera being the link to all of humanities genetics.

Seriously tho....chief going postal was awesome lol. Once he saw those scenes of Callie in his head, and the look on his face kept getting crazier, and you saw Tori slowly starting to back up and freak out....awesome lol.

[Not_Sane]

my guess: Starbuck is was angel that led them to their end of their space journey and to the begining to something new. She saved them.

[Superfreak]

my guess: Starbuck is was angel that led them to their end of their space journey and to the begining to something new. She saved them.

it was left nicely unanswered.

[The Apocalypse]

What a brilliant show though. Everything came full circle and the writing was amazing. I'm going to miss this show a lot but at least it went out on top and with a bang.

:up:

[Not_Sane]

I have to say the ending was bitter sweet.

[Marz69]

so Starbuck was what exactly?
she looks to be an angel

Wow.....Damn is the only thing I can think to say. The most consistant thing about BSG is it's ability to surprise me. You hear the actors say the ending is bleak, so you expect mass deaths....what you get is a hopeful setting and scenery mixed with melodrama and a breaking up of a family, finished with the hint of the cycle not being broken. It's bleak...but not in the way I imagined. It's bleak in the sense of an underlying sadness and loss of favorite characters, just not in a blood bath, and not bleak in the sense of it being a struggle to survive.

The finale is something that takes time to set it. The more I think about it the more brilliant the ending was. During the show itself I kept expecting this or that, and what I expected never happened.

So thanks BSG for all the glorious seasons, great frakin' show (think thats my first time ever typing or saying frak lol).
So say we all. I loved it. But think i will love it even more on a 2nd & 3rd viewing. It's deep.

[Mikelus]

An Angel I guess, same with head Baltaar and Six.

The way she just suddenly dissapeared was surreal (the settings, conversation, all felt dream like but was happening in Galactica's real world). Laura's death was sad and a bit depressing too, equally with what must have been a lonely life for Bill.

It's funny, but the big reveals of this episode really take a back seat to everything else that happened.

(Spoilers ahead, but everyone should expect them tonight)

Cavil shooting himself, Chief going postal, the opera house reveal unraveling, all were very badass. They all will stick in my mind more than the BSG crew landing on a primitive Earth, or Hera being the link to all of humanities genetics.

Seriously tho....chief going postal was awesome lol. Once he saw those scenes of Callie in his head, and the look on his face kept getting crazier, and you saw Tori slowly starting to back up and freak out....awesome lol.

Agreed, what an incredible, fabulous, sublime finale, the best I have ever seen. BSG was an allegory of the history of humankind and how the cycle of violence and destruction keeps repeating itself again and again. Kara was an angel whose destiny was to guide and save humankind and Hera the "mother" of humanity. It all makes sense now, what a beautiful way to end one of the best frakkin' shows ever!

Thanks to all the people involved in making BSG, thank you guys, you will be missed.

:bow:

[Not_Sane]

I'm really going to miss this show.

[huskerwebhead]

Great show. The Chief...wow...that face he made just before killing tori....Just Wow.

The shots of the Galactica heaving after that jump....almost heartbreaking. And the original theme playing as the fleet traveled into the sun.

I feel so sorry for the Adama's. Both Bill and Lee. Both seem to have lost those they loved the most in one way or another.

I AM going to miss this show.

[KnightBat]

Great ending to a great show! For all of you who are wondering about Starbuck, Head Six, and Baltar like I was, check out these links to Q&A with Moore and Eick about the finale. Do not read if you haven't seen the finale!!


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2009/03/20/battlestar-galactica-watched-the-finale-still-got-questions-weve-got-answers/



http://www.tvguide.com/News/Battlestar-Galacticas-Ron-1004256.aspx

[Darthkush]

What an finale. I don't think i've seen action done that well on tv...ever.

My love for BSG first started late summer/early fall of 08. On an whim, i decided to rent season 1 at Blockbuster. The miniseries was mindblowing, so I went ahead and bought season 1. The first couple of episodes were cool but I confess that I got an little bored. I loved "33" but from "Water" through " You can't go home again", I was bored. So i gave up. Put the dvd up and said,"oh well, that's enough of that show". Then on a whim, I pull out the box set again this past January having nothing else to watch and pop on "litmus". Hmmm, it's getting better. Soon I was hooked as each episode got better than the next. By the time we got to Kobol's Last Gleaming and watched Six and Kara slugging it out on Caprica, I was in love. Boomer shot Adama and I was riveted. I had to buy season 2.0 Season 2(and 2.5 for that matter) are probably the best of the series

Season 2 was great the whole way through. The Helo/Sharon romance heated up, already amusing Baltar got MORE amusing. Col. Tigh came to life while Adama was in traction, 2 part Pegasus episodes rocked, and finally that great finale where New Caprica is taken over by the Cylons.

Season 3 started off amazingly as the New Caprica occupation episodes are probably the best of the entire series. It was around this time that the secondary characters really came to life for me. Folks like Gaeta and Duella and CAllie and others who were always there but never got the time of Starbuck or Apollo were finally getting their dues. Who could forget that extra packed boxing episode? Amazing. Season 3's only weakness is there were an few too many standalone episodes. They were still good , just not season 2 good. Season 3 is also responsible for making the Cylons much more than just "bad guys" as there were many epsiodes devoted to getting inside their perspective on things. The trial of Baltar was an achievement as well. Lee Adama had his best scene EVER when he monologued in the courtroom. And the Final five thing? "We're Cylons and we have been from the very beginning". Tory went from being pretty background to actual character, Anders went from being an foil for Lee/Kara to being his own character, and Tigh and Tyrol(already great characters) became even BETTER.

Season 4 was good enough overall. I enjoyed the first half more than the second as an lot of 4.5(save the Gaeta rebellion stuff) was slower than normal. I wish Dualla would've lived until the finale. Speaking of which...

-Where was 3/D'Anna? They couldn't get Lucy Lawless for the finale? Odd.

-Kara was...what, an ghost?

-The signifigance of DAniel was...?

-Beautiful death scene for Laura Roslin. Probably the only real tear inducing moment for me.

-I'm happy for Baltar/Six. They belong together. In the future, were those the "in caprica and gaius heads" versons of the characters or is Baltar an Cylon or something and he and Six are the last of their kind.

-I loved all the action early in. All the Centurion action and constant gunplay rocked.

-Favorite scene of the night: Tyrol learns Tory killed Callie and chokes the ***** out of her! "It's an trick!", Cavill shouts and all hell breaks loose! F**KING AWESOME!

BSG went from an show I thought was just "good" to one of the favorite shows of all time in roughly 2 months. Now I need me some action figures of :woot: (Why aren't there Baltar or Tigh figures? There should be).

CAn't wait for "The Plan" and "Caprica". So say we all!:word:

[Speedball]

What an finale. I don't think i've seen action done that well on tv...ever.

My love for BSG first started late summer/early fall of 08. On an whim, i decided to rent season 1 at Blockbuster. The miniseries was mindblowing, so I went ahead and bought season 1. The first couple of episodes were cool but I confess that I got an little bored. I loved "33" but from "Water" through " You can't go home again", I was bored. So i gave up. Put the dvd up and said,"oh well, that's enough of that show". Then on a whim, I pull out the box set again this past January having nothing else to watch and pop on "litmus". Hmmm, it's getting better. Soon I was hooked as each episode got better than the next. By the time we got to Kobol's Last Gleaming and watched Six and Kara slugging it out on Caprica, I was in love. Boomer shot Adama and I was riveted. I had to buy season 2.0 Season 2(and 2.5 for that matter) are probably the best of the series

Season 2 was great the whole way through. The Helo/Sharon romance heated up, already amusing Baltar got MORE amusing. Col. Tigh came to life while Adama was in traction, 2 part Pegasus episodes rocked, and finally that great finale where New Caprica is taken over by the Cylons.

Season 3 started off amazingly as the New Caprica occupation episodes are probably the best of the entire series. It was around this time that the secondary characters really came to life for me. Folks like Gaeta and Duella and CAllie and others who were always there but never got the time of Starbuck or Apollo were finally getting their dues. Who could forget that extra packed boxing episode? Amazing. Season 3's only weakness is there were an few too many standalone episodes. They were still good , just not season 2 good. Season 3 is also responsible for making the Cylons much more than just "bad guys" as there were many epsiodes devoted to getting inside their perspective on things. The trial of Baltar was an achievement as well. Lee Adama had his best scene EVER when he monologued in the courtroom. And the Final five thing? "We're Cylons and we have been from the very beginning". Tory went from being pretty background to actual character, Anders went from being an foil for Lee/Kara to being his own character, and Tigh and Tyrol(already great characters) became even BETTER.

Season 4 was good enough overall. I enjoyed the first half more than the second as an lot of 4.5(save the Gaeta rebellion stuff) was slower than normal. I wish Dualla would've lived until the finale. Speaking of which...

-Where was 3/D'Anna? They couldn't get Lucy Lawless for the finale? Odd.

-Kara was...what, an ghost?

-The signifigance of DAniel was...?

-Beautiful death scene for Laura Roslin. Probably the only real tear inducing moment for me.

-I'm happy for Baltar/Six. They belong together. In the future, were those the "in caprica and gaius heads" versons of the characters or is Baltar an Cylon or something and he and Six are the last of their kind.

-I loved all the action early in. All the Centurion action and constant gunplay rocked.

-Favorite scene of the night: Tyrol learns Tory killed Callie and chokes the ***** out of her! "It's an trick!", Cavill shouts and all hell breaks loose! F**KING AWESOME!

BSG went from an show I thought was just "good" to one of the favorite shows of all time in roughly 2 months. Now I need me some action figures of :woot: (Why aren't there Baltar or Tigh figures? There should be).

CAn't wait for "The Plan" and "Caprica". So say we all!:word:
1. D'anna stayed on the old Earth, the other Three's were still boxed and probably died when the Colony exploded.
2. Who knows, who cares. She did her job and that was the end. In the Original, Starbuck comes back after dying and became an angel, sorta. Well same for this Starbuck.
3.If you look at the cast for Caprica, there is a main character named Daniel, and creates the "first" humanoid cylon. There's a connection there.

[Darthkush]

ahhhhh, So the Daniel thing isn't done yet? cool. Did they actually say D'anna stayed on the other earth or were we just to assume that? After "Revelations", I don't remember anyone mentioning her really much anymore.

Also when Bill puts the ring on Laura's finger...:csad: The tears poured harder!

[Robdixxo]

Ron Moore has stated several times now that fans read too much into the Daniel thing, and it was only really meant to show the jealous side of Cavil, and to mirror Cain and Abel.

[Jesster32388]

I can't believe it's over :(

But wow it was amazing.

So say we all.

[Darthkush]

hhmmm, there are some interesting things being tossed around the net about Tyrol's fate. Some are saying he founded the Gaelic culture/people and others are saying he became Santa Clause. Both sort of work when you think about it:grin:

[Eklypze]

lol the first thing i thought of when he said the "highlands" was that he founded he Gaelic culture haha i cant believe other people are actually saying that. That just seems so funny

[FadingCB]

...Q&A with Moore and Eick about the finale...

Only read one of the links as I'm getting sleepy, but he gave some great answers there. I liked how he mentioned that he knew Sci-fi fans would have a hard time with spiritual and mystical occurances. To tell the truth, even tho I'm a religious person, I'm just not used to seeing spiritual things in sci-fi series. From the beginning there were hints, but I always assumed they'd explain away with scientific explanations as 90% of the genre usually does. However BSG stuck to it's guns, and they have that much more respect from me for it. Could you imagine Worf dying in Star Trek and coming back as some angelic warrior? SG1 slightly touched on it with Daniel coming back, but even that was explained as ascended humans.

I also liked how they tied it to current times, and not in a cheesy way like so many other series.

[Spidey Rules 2]

my guess: Starbuck is was angel that led them to their end of their space journey and to the begining to something new. She saved them.
SPOILERS...

Great episode, but I think I missed something. First, did all the cylons on the colony die? I saw that they were shot at once more before the Galactica jumped away, but I couldn't tell if that was the end of them. Second question, the first "Earth" they went to was a world of nuclear fallout, unlivable. Why in the world would Starbuck take them there? Why not just the second "Earth" like the finale?

[Superfreak]

lol the first thing i thought of when he said the "highlands" was that he founded he Gaelic culture haha i cant believe other people are actually saying that. That just seems so funny

you mean the 'Galen' Culture?

[Superfreak]

Only read one of the links as I'm getting sleepy, but he gave some great answers there. I liked how he mentioned that he knew Sci-fi fans would have a hard time with spiritual and mystical occurances. To tell the truth, even tho I'm a religious person, I'm just not used to seeing spiritual things in sci-fi series. From the beginning there were hints, but I always assumed they'd explain away with scientific explanations as 90% of the genre usually does. However BSG stuck to it's guns, and they have that much more respect from me for it. Could you imagine Worf dying in Star Trek and coming back as some angelic warrior? SG1 slightly touched on it with Daniel coming back, but even that was explained as ascended humans.

I also liked how they tied it to current times, and not in a cheesy way like so many other series.

Gotta remember the work Moore put into DS9. Sisko died, and became a prophet. Again, I mentioned this before, but if you watch DS9, you can see the very obvious similarities between it and BSG... it's like Moore took everything he learned from DS9, and upgraded and supersized it for BSG

[BlackLantern]

ahhhhh, So the Daniel thing isn't done yet? cool. Did they actually say D'anna stayed on the other earth or were we just to assume that? After "Revelations", I don't remember anyone mentioning her really much anymore.

Also when Bill puts the ring on Laura's finger...:csad: The tears poured harder!

Yes...they did.....her story ends there

[Superfreak]

Yes...they did.....her story ends there

indeed, she said she couldn't go on, and remained on 'Cylon' Earth

[Pink Ranger]

Loved this ending, and even in this epic two hours they managed to tie this back to the original show, which the implication that the colonists were the founders of all the ancient advanced civilizations, like Atlantis, Lemuria, the Mayans, Toltecs, the Greek and Egyptian gods, the pyramids, etc. This was the opening story of the original BSG, before that silly show went off the rails.

Also, nice to see that Vancouver becomes the pinnacle of human civilization at the end, with Baltar and Six walking around Robson and Georgia. And just to be safe, I smashed my Robo Raptor with a baseball bat to do my part to "end the cycle."

[Evelisse]

From the TVGuide interview KnightBat posted...

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Battlest...n-1004256.aspx

TVGuide.com: What's the deal with this Battlestar movie that's being made — it's not your version of Battlestar?
Moore: Well I don't really know anything about it. They didn't talk to me before they made the deal with Glen Larson, so I don't really know much about it.

TVGuide.com: So they never approached you about a movie?
Moore: Nope. They never picked up the phone. Let's put it that way. But that's OK because I had kind of put the word out that for quite a while that I didn't think that our version of Galactica was going to lend itself to a feature film. I knew that we wanted to end the series the way that we did, and it really wraps up the show. There's really not a story to tell after the finale that would be Battlestar Galactica.


Is this really happening, a Battlestar movie not related to Moore and the show? That would be a mistake.

[Superfreak]

Moore has certainly proven himself worthy of bringing Macross/ Robotech: Macross to a live action. It's gotta happen sooner or later... and he's definately the man for the job. Now that it's all over, I'm blown away how he basically took what he learned from DS9, took the original BSG, took Macross, mixed them together, and threw in some realism, and some mojo magic... and poof, BSG2000.

[BlackLantern]

Is this really happening, a Battlestar movie not related to Moore and the show? That would be a mistake.

Its being bandied about....something in line with the original show

[Superfreak]

From the TVGuide interview KnightBat posted...

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Battlest...n-1004256.aspx

TVGuide.com: What's the deal with this Battlestar movie that's being made — it's not your version of Battlestar?
Moore: Well I don't really know anything about it. They didn't talk to me before they made the deal with Glen Larson, so I don't really know much about it.

TVGuide.com: So they never approached you about a movie?
Moore: Nope. They never picked up the phone. Let's put it that way. But that's OK because I had kind of put the word out that for quite a while that I didn't think that our version of Galactica was going to lend itself to a feature film. I knew that we wanted to end the series the way that we did, and it really wraps up the show. There's really not a story to tell after the finale that would be Battlestar Galactica.


Is this really happening, a Battlestar movie not related to Moore and the show? That would be a mistake.

milking the property... atleast they're doing it after this show is finished

[TheCorpulent1]

If it is going to pick up from the original series, I don't mind it. There's so little in common between the two beyond the basic premise that I just consider them two separate things. A modernized original BSG could be good for some popcorn fun.

[roach]

If it is going to pick up from the original series, I don't mind it. There's so little in common between the two beyond the basic premise that I just consider them two separate things. A modernized original BSG could be good for some popcorn fun.

Im all for it too

[Sawyer]

So... if all of this has, in fact, happened before and will, in fact, happen again... can I be new Baltar? :)

Anyway, epic finale. So many fantastic moments....

The culmination of the dreams/visions Baltar, Six, Roslin and Sharon had been having. I literally had chills. It was amazing.

Tory's ass biting the dust. We've all been waiting for it to happen and it was fantastic. I, no joke, think I got hard during that scene.

Adama/Roslin. I didnt actually shed any tears during the finale, as I had expected, but if I did it would've been at Adama's final line at the rocky grave. :(

Sam. Just incredibly strong stuff. :(

The ending. Just soo ****ing GOOD. All along the watchtower? Forget about it. It's just perfect. I literally dont even know what to say.

There are probably much more moments, but I'd have to rewatch it to remember them all.

[echostation]

too many things left unanswered which leaves for lazy writing... I liked this finale but too much was just left to.. Ok we'll just let the audience think on it, so many untied loose ends,

one interesting question however is, why would God allow for the cycle to repeated over and over? :)

[BlackLantern]

too many things left unanswered which leaves for lazy writing... I liked this finale but too much was just left to.. Ok we'll just let the audience think on it, so many untied loose ends,

one interesting question however is, why would God allow for the cycle to repeated over and over? :)

well according to Invisible Baltar, he doesn't like that name and I think the reason is to see if humanity can learn and prosper without destroying itself

[Sawyer]

Honestly, did you guys think every question would be answered? Pssh!

The only big loose end to me was Kara, and it sorta bugs me, but I can live with it. IMO, nothing else really stood out as a big, unanswered mystery.

[blksuperman2]

Awesome Episode. I'm sad to see it end. This show has provided some epic battles and last night was the most epic IMO. If there are any Babylon 5 fans out there, Didn't the Cylon Colony ship look just like The Shadows' ship? I kept thinking how they should never have gone to Z'ha'dum, LOL.

I had a feeling that they wouldn't explain what Baltar & Caprica 6 were seeing. They also didn't explain Starbuck but oh well. I can live w/ this ending.

[BlackLantern]

Awesome Episode. I'm sad to see it end. This show has provided some epic battles and last night was the most epic IMO. If there are any Babylon 5 fans out there, Didn't the Cylon Colony ship look just like The Shadows' ship? I kept thinking how they should never have gone to Z'ha'dum, LOL.

I had a feeling that they wouldn't explain what Baltar & Caprica 6 were seeing. They also didn't explain Starbuck but oh well. I can live w/ this ending.

It explains itself when you see them in the very end....they seem to be angels or watchers of a sort....

[BlackLantern]

Loved this ending, and even in this epic two hours they managed to tie this back to the original show, which the implication that the colonists were the founders of all the ancient advanced civilizations, like Atlantis, Lemuria, the Mayans, Toltecs, the Greek and Egyptian gods, the pyramids, etc. This was the opening story of the original BSG, before that silly show went off the rails.

Also, nice to see that Vancouver becomes the pinnacle of human civilization at the end, with Baltar and Six walking around Robson and Georgia. And just to be safe, I smashed my Robo Raptor with a baseball bat to do my part to "end the cycle."

If you paid attention to the whole scene, it's Times Square....yes the tv show is filmed in Canada and whatnot....but that scene is "set" in NYC....

[blksuperman2]

It explains itself when you see them in the very end....they seem to be angels or watchers of a sort....

No that's not an explaination. That's draw your own conclusion which I'm fine w/. Like I said it's just something I was expecting.

[Marz69]

No that's not an explaination. That's draw your own conclusion which I'm fine w/. Like I said it's just something I was expecting.
Baltar has said several times that they are angels. So they are angels. That's how the information is given from the writer to the viewer, through Baltar's speeches. And this is confirmed through head Six & Head Baltar smiling at reference and at the end when they talk about God as if they know God personally.

[Pink Ranger]

If you paid attention to the whole scene, it's Times Square....yes the tv show is filmed in Canada and whatnot....but that scene is "set" in NYC....

They show parts of time square in canned footage, but the parts where Six and Baltar are actually walking around is Vancouver. You can even see a Coast Mountain Transit bus pass behind them when they're talking.

[BlackLantern]

I know that but the "setting" is still NYC.....its a bus, no one cares

[888]

Baltar has said several times that they are angels. So they are angels. That's how the information is given from the writer to the viewer, through Baltar's speeches. And this is confirmed through head Six & Head Baltar smiling at reference and at the end when they talk about God as if they know God personally.

That's where people are getting frustrated, they were hoping for a more scientific, or at least more concise explanation for the apparent supernatural aspect of the show, myself included initially. What we got was pretty much the exact opposite, however, personally I'm fine with that now. This finale has surpassed my expectations. I'm thrilled with what we got, was actually pretty moved, which is a very difficult thing for a show to do. The mysteries still left unresolved will allow people to keep talking about this show for decades to come and I look forward to another subject to keep my mind occupied on late nights in bed when I can't sleep.

Favorite part, was Baltar's ending. It was brilliant that he ended up a farmer. I also liked that in the flashback it was actually Baltar who suggested to six he loved her.

My biggest gripe was with the robot montage at the end. It was kind of lame and this show was always an allegory for how we treat each other. The final montage seemed to suggest this show was a literal cautionary tale about letting technology run amok. Should have just ended it with "All Around the Watchtower" playing on the radio.

[Alistair]

Heya,

Yes, I thought it was good, considering everything was compact, and most of the major arcs are closed, which is good.

What I thought was amusing at the end, the person holding the mag was Moore himself, and all the times he showed himself. I think he showed himself briefly at the end of DS9, and the only times that he does.

Good show overall, tragic it ended, but at least it ended with a conclusion.

Ali

[BlackLantern]

That's where people are getting frustrated, they were hoping for a more scientific, or at least more concise explanation for the apparent supernatural aspect of the show, myself included initially. What we got was pretty much the exact opposite, however, personally I'm fine with that now. This finale has surpassed my expectations. I'm thrilled with what we got, was actually pretty moved, which is a very difficult thing for a show to do. The mysteries still left unresolved will allow people to keep talking about this show for decades to come and I look forward to another subject to keep my mind occupied on late nights in bed when I can't sleep.

Favorite part, was Baltar's ending. It was brilliant that he ended up a farmer. I also liked that in the flashback it was actually Baltar who suggested to six he loved her.

My biggest gripe was with the robot montage at the end. It was kind of lame and this show was always an allegory for how we treat each other. The final montage seemed to suggest this show was a literal cautionary tale about letting technology run amok. Should have just ended it with "All Around the Watchtower" playing on the radio.

that's sci-fi fans for you....wanting everything laid out for them:oldrazz:

Ron Moore and Co. know that....that's why the ending is the way it is

[888]

If this show had been more "Star Trek" and less "star Wars", instead of the other way around(which it really was), then that frustration would be understandable. However this show has always put science in the back seat in terms of importance. Remember when Star Wars tried to scientifically explain the force? Do you also remember how much that sucked? yeah... I think this show did the smarter, more interesting thing.

[Marz69]

That's where people are getting frustrated, they were hoping for a more scientific, or at least more concise explanation for the apparent supernatural aspect of the show, myself included initially. What we got was pretty much the exact opposite, however, personally I'm fine with that now. This finale has surpassed my expectations. I'm thrilled with what we got, was actually pretty moved, which is a very difficult thing for a show to do. The mysteries still left unresolved will allow people to keep talking about this show for decades to come and I look forward to another subject to keep my mind occupied on late nights in bed when I can't sleep.

Favorite part, was Baltar's ending. It was brilliant that he ended up a farmer. I also liked that in the flashback it was actually Baltar who suggested to six he loved her.

My biggest gripe was with the robot montage at the end. It was kind of lame and this show was always an allegory for how we treat each other. The final montage seemed to suggest this show was a literal cautionary tale about letting technology run amok. Should have just ended it with "All Around the Watchtower" playing on the radio.
Baltar asked head 6 who she was (so long ago). And she said that she was an angel of God. Baltar never believed it until the end & then stated she was an angel countless times. I also have no problem with this since the show has always had religious tones with God/s being mentioned in almost every episode.

I agree that some people can't accept the answer & that's okay if it doesn't work for them. But that doesn't mean there is no real answer and so it gets frustrating hearing the question over & over again.

I think the flashbacks on the whole really tied the characters together, not just what they were doing, but their longings past & present.

I don't even know if I can pick a favorite part because there was so much that I loved for so many reasons. I even got a kick out of the little things like watching Lee give hand signals to the centurions.

I would have liked to have seen Leoben in action. He was a cool character who seemed to go the way of Simon & Doral. I wish Lucy Lawless was still around.

The ending scene robots to me were redundant to the "all this is happening before & will happen again". But I think this was done to really get it through to people who needs things spelled out.

[LadyVader]

The BSG Finale: So long and thanks for all the fish.

:rolleyes:

(That's all I can muster right now, having a cold and verything. Hopefully I will be able to elaborate my feelings tomorow.)

[elgaz]

Absolutely fantastic finale. So much I could write about it, but suffice to say - it hit all the buttons. Action, drama, sadness, storylines tied up, some mysteries left unanswered (as they should be) ................ with great acting from all the cast. Very much an emotional finale too. I'm just sad that it's over!

[Sentry2005]

AH... that was so good. I just watched the final, and Ive got to say its the best series ending I've watched on television. Hands down.

I loved nearly everything (except that montage, which I found cheesy and needless, especially when the audience knows the Basestar with the Centurions on is out there somewhere, just waiting to come back if humanity ***** around with playing god again. That would have been fine. End with All Around The Watchtower on the radio... that was awesome), and here's my review/reasoning.

I cried. I'll admit it. And straight away after my life seemed a little more sucky by comparison with what I've shared with these characters. I recorded the mini-series all those years ago with the vague hope that this would be a decent Sci-Fi show, in a genre saturated with SG-1 and Enterprize, while killing off Farscape in it's prime. It went beyond that, it actually made me think and moved me.

My stomach turned when the ship broke. When Tigh said it, I felt the sadness in Adama's reaction. Roslin (a character who I've generally hated more and more as the show went on, while initially liking her) dying while admiring all the life around her was perfect. She's done a lot of dodgy things while President, but they've all been for what she saw as the greater good.

Sam flying the fleet into the sun was the saddest death for me. Sam only ever tried to help others in the show. He got fraked about by Kara in her weird love triangle (altho, I guess you could call it a quadrangle if you include Zak all those years ago) with Lee. His reward after trying to end the cycle of hate in the first place, then leading human survivors against the Cylons on Caprica, as well as New Caprica, and finally revealing the location of the Colony was to burn away all trace of the Colonies. God bless Sam. At least he got to be with Kara in the end.

Kara I can live with. I even love that aspect. Kara was always better than the rest. I fell in line with the Daniel theory, and while I liked that, I still like this. And in fairness, the Daniel theory isn't decimated by Kara's more metephysical reveal; she could have been Half Cylon, and the Messianic agent of God (God's not on anyone's side). And I like that she goes back to being dead. It does beg the question of how her Viper got to Earth when she died, but I've watched Farscape. Wormholes rock.

Baltat was awesome. Tyrol was awesome (take that you back stabbing, Callie-murdering, side-switching, two-faced ***** tori!), Cavil's death was AWESOME. Much better than anyone killing him.

The Centurions working with the Colonials was brilliant to watch. The entire plan itself was amazing visually. Racetrack saved the day in the end. The Old Skool Centurions were running around as well, and that made me smile inside.

One thing I think Lee forgot when he decided to wipe away any trace of the colonies by eradicating everything except the 'clothes on their backs' is that what is to stop the cycle repeating itself again now? I know, they needed a reason to explain why the show isn't remembered in everyday life (given their intrinsic link in the narrative), but surely just natural extinction of cultures would solve that, or even just not explaining it and leaving it up to our imaginations (someone, somewhere, in a dank little government bunker is watching a REALLY rusty Dradis waiting for the Basestar to come back :D ) would have allowed some bastion to remain. But I get it. And it works. It just makes me wonder what they think will happen once civilisation does get back to that technological level. New Cylons? New war? New RE-Re-imagined BSG? *Shrug*

Hoshi as Admiral... YES. Lampkin as President... FRAK YES. Just a shame they didn't get to test their metal.

Adama on his own for ever irks me a little. I know, he just completed his mission, lost his ship AND his woman all in one day. But, what about Lee? He could have explored with Lee a little bit. Enjoyed his new home, bonded with Lee. Poor lonely Lee, traveling the world. Like a hobo. Ha.

And everyone had an ending I'm happy with. Everyone. Even the ones that hurt me, they made sense. They made sense perfectly. And I can't thank this show enough. DS9 was my favorite Trek, and Moore seems to understand what he learned on that grand show and molded it perfectly with the BSG concept. I spent a year of my life researching this show for my dissertation, and I wish I could re-write it now. It would be so much better. I do have an MA coming up, so maybe then...

I loved Head Six and Baltar at the end as well; he doesn't like the name God you know :D BSG really has a lot in common with what I've held as my spiritual belief's for years. I think that may be a reason for why it resonates with me. But I liked that ending (sans stupid montage), and have to disagree with Six. The cycles going to happen again, and this is the last time. Earth 2's (DC reference to the MAX) too near the boiling point, and with no way of surviving a nuclear holocaust for a (third, or fourth time).

I'm glad Baltar turned out to be a hero. He did the right thing. And Lee thanking him proved this. Adama's joke with him at the end as well. Perfect.

And that sums up this final for me. Perfect. It touched me, and not in a perverted way. I also needed to type this, as I will not see anyone to talk to this about for a good few weeks. So I'm sorry to have droned on, but there you have it. Thank you RDM, and all involved for a show that will be sorely missed. SO SAY WE ALL!

[Sawyer]

The scene where Baltar mentions knowing something about farming and then breaking into tears was fantastic. James Callis is a brilliant actor. :up:

[blksuperman2]

Thank you RDM, and all involved for a show that will be sorely missed. SO SAY WE ALL!


So Say We All !!

[Sawyer]

So say we all? Pssh...

By Your Command. Yes, thats right.

[The Top Hat]

Fantastic ending to a fantastic show. I'll really miss it.

[FadingCB]

Again, I mentioned this before, but if you watch DS9, you can see the very obvious similarities between it and BSG...

DS9 was one of the Star-Trek's I half watched. I liked it at first, but at some point it started blending together for me. I like Star-Trek's exploring nature, but after awhile DS9 staying in one place and constantly facing the same enemy turned me off to the series. It might have gotten better, but I really didn't watch enough to be able to make the comparisons to BSG.

Me not fully watching DS9 isn't really trashing on it either. TNG is the only series I looked forward to watching every week. The original was too campy for for me to watch more than a few episodes. Voyager I liked at the beginning, but trailed off on it too. Only finished it because they aired it late at night when nothing else was on. Enterprise....started ok...bout the only good thing I can say about it other than the Vulcan chick looking hot in that uniform lol.

[Sawyer]

I do wish there hadnt been so many promos for X-Men Origins: Wolverine (I hate that title a little more each and everytime I type it) during the finale. It's like please, just stop repping this s***ty, s***ty movie during this epic show. :down to Sci-Fi for that.

[wobbly]

Great finale. Not entirely satisfying in tying up the loose ends (I'll get back to this in a bit*) but a great send off for what has been a great show.

The raid on the Colony was awesomely well done: From the moment the Galactica jumps right onto the colony's door step and immediately gets the living hell shot out of it (and seeing the original style centurions in battle against the new) I was on the edge of my seat.
The reveal of the 'opera house' as a premonition to the command centre stand-off, set to a few chords from the 'music', was a great moment too and fit in with the visions very well.
To my pleasant surprise, there wasnt a bloodbath among the main players and the way they played out the scenes didnt make the unilkeliness of so many surviving feel at all silly (when you do think about it a few significant heads could easily have rolled in all that carnage).
Not sure about Cavill up and shooting himself though. The guy has been all about looking after number 1 (quite literally in his case), going to great lengths to try and regain ressurection, so I would have thought him trying to do a runner and then getting killed would perhaps have been more fitting.
Then we get Kara's numbers from the music taking them to to our Earth....Now a lot of my guesses have been wildy wrong about this show but I'm gonna toot my own horn on the one I got right. I called this one after we first saw the nuked 'Earth' (I knew the lack of recogniseable detail was no frakking accident).
So ok, this is 150,000 years in our past and we have to accept the concept of near duplicate evolution of a species for the idea to work (a wizard named God did it), but at least now we know.
Then came one of the neatest moments for me: For the first time since the mini (when it was done as a cheesy fanfare) as the fleet was flying off into the sun we got to hear the old theme. As someone old enough to have quite liked the original I appreciated the gesture.
The individual send offs were all well done too and though sad for some, the general feeling for the colonials was one of hope.

The epilogue in Times Square was intriguing. Considering our history up to now, Head 6 is likely to lose her bet in the future. After all, arent we already well on the way to repeating the cycle, defeating the intent the colonials had in leaving technology behind ?.
And what do you make of Baltar's saying "You know it doesnt like that name" Then the "silly me" afterwards.?

*Getting back to the loose ends. The nature of head 6/head Baltar and Kara was never really explained beyond vaguely referring to them as angels. This I woudn't mind but I do think they should have expanded on how the Kara deal was supposed to have worked. On this, Kara was corporeal so she wasnt one of the angels, but I figure it's safe to assume her ressurection, her viper, her being tuned into the music and all of that, was the work of said angels. Now not explaining this leaves it open for speculation: anyones guess is good as long as it matches what facts there are. Given the tone of the show I dont think literal spiritual angels fits, so I'd think of them as a higher evolved life-form, a completely re-imagined version of the 'Ship of lights' aliens we saw in the old show.
These beings have dabbled in the cycles of the past (appearing to the final 5 and getting mentions in the Pythia scrolls) but whether these actually want the cycle to be broken isn't clear as they seemed more curious than intent to me in the epilogue, but I figure these beings ressurected Kara and when her 'job' was done they took her back to meet Anders 'on the other side'. Would have to think about it to see just how well this idea does bear up, but it works for me atm.

[Angry Sentinel]

SPOILERS...

Great episode, but I think I missed something. First, did all the cylons on the colony die? I saw that they were shot at once more before the Galactica jumped away, but I couldn't tell if that was the end of them. Second question, the first "Earth" they went to was a world of nuclear fallout, unlivable. Why in the world would Starbuck take them there? Why not just the second "Earth" like the finale? I think that was the point. We don't know what happened to them. They were dealt a very crippling blow with no way to ressurect they probably died off... or did they?

First of all, she got the first Earth coordinates from her Viper after the final 4 were revealed. The fleet followed these coordinates because that's what they had at the time. It wasn't until Hera wrote the notes out to AATWT much later that she put numbers to them. She didn't even know they were coordinates, but she knew they had to go somewhere so she stepped out on faith and ultimately fullfilled the prophesy.
AH... that was so good. I just watched the final, and Ive got to say its the best series ending I've watched on television. Hands down.

Sam flying the fleet into the sun was the saddest death for me. Sam only ever tried to help others in the show. He got fraked about by Kara in her weird love triangle (altho, I guess you could call it a quadrangle if you include Zak all those years ago) with Lee. His reward after trying to end the cycle of hate in the first place, then leading human survivors against the Cylons on Caprica, as well as New Caprica, and finally revealing the location of the Colony was to burn away all trace of the Colonies. God bless Sam. At least he got to be with Kara in the end.

Was I the only one that noticed that this was the SAME scene that has been shown on and off in the title song's montage since like season 2? It's one of those scenes you think you've seen before because we always see shots of the fleet with Galactica leading them, but this scene is in fact the exact same one from the title montage.

It really proves that they always meant to end here.

[Sawyer]

Question: was the reason that Sam has been hooked up to all that crap in his coma for a majority of season 4.5 because of the massive car crash Michael Trucco was in? I seem to remember hearing that the crew/writers dealt with his injuries to make it fit into the show...

[wobbly]

I think the overall purpose of having Kara take them to the nuked earth first was to teach them all a lesson: Show everyone that it had all happened before, let them know that despair, so when they do finally find a home they might take heed of the lesson and do what they can to stop it happening again. Ie; If they had not seen what happened to 'Earth' would Lee have decided they should abandon all their tech when settling here?

[Angry Sentinel]

Great finale. Not entirely satisfying in tying up the loose ends (I'll get back to this in a bit*) but a great send off for what has been a great show.

Not sure about Cavill up and shooting himself though. The guy has been all about looking after number 1 (quite literally in his case), going to great lengths to try and regain ressurection, so I would have thought him trying to do a runner and then getting killed would perhaps have been more fitting.
Then we get Kara's numbers from the music taking them to to our Earth....Now a lot of my guesses have been wildy wrong about this show but I'm gonna toot my own horn on the one I got right. I called this one after we first saw the nuked 'Earth' (I knew the lack of recogniseable detail was no frakking accident).

Then came one of the neatest moments for me: For the first time since the mini (when it was done as a cheesy fanfare) as the fleet was flying off into the sun we got to hear the old theme. As someone old enough to have quite liked the original I appreciated the gesture.
The individual send offs were all well done too and though sad for some, the general feeling for the colonials was one of hope.


*Getting back to the loose ends. The nature of head 6/head Baltar and Kara was never really explained beyond vaguely referring to them as angels. This I woudn't mind but I do think they should have expanded on how the Kara deal was supposed to have worked. On this, Kara was corporeal so she wasnt one of the angels, but I figure it's safe to assume her ressurection, her viper, her being tuned into the music and all of that, was the work of said angels. Now not explaining this leaves it open for speculation: anyones guess is good as long as it matches what facts there are. Given the tone of the show I dont think literal spiritual angels fits, so I'd think of them as a higher evolved life-form, a completely re-imagined version of the 'Ship of lights' aliens we saw in the old show.
These beings have dabbled in the cycles of the past (appearing to the final 5 and getting mentions in the Pythia scrolls) but whether these actually want the cycle to be broken isn't clear as they seemed more curious than intent to me in the epilogue, but I figure these beings ressurected Kara and when her 'job' was done they took her back to meet Anders 'on the other side'. Would have to think about it to see just how well this idea does bear up, but it works for me atm. Cavil was also depicted as self-hating douche. He figured he was toast and totally wanted to go out on his own terms. I can handle it, but any death of his would have been satisfactory.

GREAT Call!!! I remember reading some-one's post awhile back after Earth 1, but I couldn't remember who it was... my hat goes off to you.

Everyone talks about crying moments. the theme song playing while the fleet flew into the sun gave me chills. It was the closest I came to shedding a tear.

Totally agree on the Kara thing, She was originally Corporeal. If I were to give her a "title" it would be more like Savior or Phoenix than Angel.

I think "it" wants the cycle to be broken. Why else manipulate things and ensure survival of the race?

[wobbly]

I think "it" wants the cycle to be broken. Why else manipulate things and ensure survival of the race?

That would also fit.
Either way, a benevolent God trying to help humans survive in spite of themselves works as well for me as a force of nature having no real interest, with angels or higher life forms simply dabbling out of curiosity (like I said, as they left it any guess is as good as another on this one)

[Hush]

Im thinking of watching this show from that start is it worth it to get invested?

[elgaz]

Question: was the reason that Sam has been hooked up to all that crap in his coma for a majority of season 4.5 because of the massive car crash Michael Trucco was in? I seem to remember hearing that the crew/writers dealt with his injuries to make it fit into the show...

Yes and no. Michael Trucco did indeed suffer a terrible accident which ended up necessitating spinal surgery, but as far as I know he was fully mobile while he filmed the finale - no doubt his accident contributed in some way to his role in the last half of the season, but it didn't dominate it in that way.

I mentioned earlier it was a fantastic episode, but I had only just watched it and hadn't really had time to gather my thoughts. I've since been out drinking so here goes :D

The Opera House - so it was the Galactica CIC all along. Seasons later, hugO amounts of exposition, huge amounts of questions from us fans and all along the Opera House was really just an analogy for the final showdown on Galactica itself. Not over till the Fat Lady sings? Never more apt. The Final Five standing on that raised section (as they were imagined in white hoods) gave me goosebumps.

Lee Adama - I felt sad for him. He's grown a huge amount as a character and continues to toe this fine line between perfect soldier/pilot and political candidate. He has a good soul and carries his father's convictions ....... in other words, he knows the difference between right and wrong and isn't afraid to speak out. Nevertheless, despite being a sympathetic character, he is left alone in this finale and deserves our pity. I think we'd all liked to have seen him end up with Kara - with the flashbacks, it seems they were destined to be together from day one, given their chemistry, so it was surprising that she upped and vanished.

Kara Thrace (Starbuck) - So what is she exactly ............ angel? demon? a vision? something in Lee's head? My money is simply on 'messenger of God'. She's not good or bad. She's not here to sway the human race one way or another. She simply has a role to fulfil, and in those crucial moments when Galactica is waiting to jump, she finally realises her destiny, works out the code from the music and plots the jump co-ordinates. And thus the circle is complete - Kara Thrace finally fufills her role as the 'Harbinger of Doom' - only it's doom for the Cylons, who now have no way of finding Hera or recreating.

Helo/Valerii - Not a huge amount in character progression here, but I didn't expect them to feature heavily in the finale anyway. Helo offers up his life for his daughter but ultimately survives. In one sense they don't have a huge role in the finale in terms of screentime, but in another sense; their daughter is the 'mother' of the human race, so their role is critically important.

Laura Roslin - finally she reached the end of her journey. Her death, which was foretold so long ago, finally comes to pass on the one true 'Earth' as they know it. The flashback was confusing to me at first (what purpose could it serve?), but I came to realise that it highlighed a very important step in Roslin's life; the point where she decided not to pursue her own goals, but to work in politics for the greater good.
Her death was handled very well by Mary McDonnell, with some touching moments beforehand with Adama.

Tigh/Ellen - what is there to say? They finally end up together again, living off the rest of their days on Earth. Despite Ellen's earlier promiscuity and Sol's earlier drinking problem, they made it through all their difficulties and ultimately fulfilled their destiny - which is surely to be together.

Baltar/Caprica (the real ones) - Baltar finally stops thinking about himself and focuses on the greater good. I think we all knew that the finale would see some kind of end to his selfishness (one way or another), but did we see that the final conversation between Baltar and Cavill would decide the fate of two civilisations?

Baltar/Caprica (the imaginary ones) - Like Kara Thrace, we don't really know what they are. Angels? Messengers from God? God himself? No matter what, they raised some interesting points and added a huge spiritual dimension to this overly sci-fi show.

Tyrol - I knew sooner or later Tryol would end up finding out about Callie. And he finally did, the rage erupted. I for one was surprised that we suddenly went from the final five to the final four! But still, the look of anger on his face when he learned of Callie's fate was worth seeing.

Sam Anders - Bit of a sad ending for Sam. In one way, he fulfils his destiny (even as a professional sports player on Caprica he noted his gravitation towards the perfect mathematical model of life/physics ............. but in another way, we expected to see him live or at least be reunited with Kara Thrace - and this didn't happen. Instead we get a bittersweet ending with Sam flying the remainder of the fleet into our Sun to melt.


William Adama - Finally, the old man. His ending was a very sad one .............. destined to live out his days alone, without his son or his one true love. We can only guess as to whether he lives in peaceful solitude, enjoying his 'real' retirement ...................... or as to whether he longs to return to his longterm role as Admiral on the Galactica.

Awesome show, awesome finale.

[Sawyer]

I still dont quite understand why Adama would never see Lee again...

[Sawyer]

And also, seeing as how we're all the decendants of the colonials, I'd like to think that I'm a distant great-grandson of Saul Tigh. :D:up:

[Angry Sentinel]

I still dont quite understand why Adama would never see Lee again... See below. Just my opinion of course.




Baltar/Caprica (the real ones) - Baltar finally stops thinking about himself and focuses on the greater good. I think we all knew that the finale would see some kind of end to his selfishness (one way or another), but did we see that the final conversation between Baltar and Cavill would decide the fate of two civilisations?

Baltar/Caprica (the imaginary ones) - Like Kara Thrace, we don't really know what they are. Angels? Messengers from God? God himself? No matter what, they raised some interesting points and added a huge spiritual dimension to this overly sci-fi show.

Tyrol - I knew sooner or later Tryol would end up finding out about Callie. And he finally did, the rage erupted. I for one was surprised that we suddenly went from the final five to the final four! But still, the look of anger on his face when he learned of Callie's fate was worth seeing.

Sam Anders - Bit of a sad ending for Sam. In one way, he fulfils his destiny (even as a professional sports player on Caprica he noted his gravitation towards the perfect mathematical model of life/physics ............. but in another way, we expected to see him live or at least be reunited with Kara Thrace - and this didn't happen. Instead we get a bittersweet ending with Sam flying the remainder of the fleet into our Sun to melt.


William Adama - Finally, the old man. His ending was a very sad one .............. destined to live out his days alone, without his son or his one true love. We can only guess as to whether he lives in peaceful solitude, enjoying his 'real' retirement ...................... or as to whether he longs to return to his longterm role as Admiral on the Galactica.

Awesome show, awesome finale. Great thoughts, you did well after getting some libation :woot:

Definitely didn't see the conversation between Baltar and Cavil coming. It was a thing of beauty and one the writers had been preparing us for all along.

I could go on and on about the spiritual/supernatural elements of this show. And how proud I am that the writers and producers finally approached religion in a drama to open up the dialouge... but I won't:cwink:

My favorite aspect of the Tyrol/Callie/Tory thing is that Anders mentioned how close Tyrol and she used to be... I guess that relationship won't be getting re-kindled.

Sam's ending was bitter sweet. But I like the fact that he got his perfect equation. Although he loved Kara very much, it was much better this way because she clearly never would have given it back the way he deserved it.

The old man's ending is probably my favorite. We never really talk about it. But he lost the most, there's no happily-ever-after after what he has bared upon his shoulders. As Wesley from "Angel" said in the series finale, "there is no one perfect day".

[Marz69]

Lee Adama - I felt sad for him. He's grown a huge amount as a character and continues to toe this fine line between perfect soldier/pilot and political candidate. He has a good soul and carries his father's convictions ....... in other words, he knows the difference between right and wrong and isn't afraid to speak out. Nevertheless, despite being a sympathetic character, he is left alone in this finale and deserves our pity. I think we'd all liked to have seen him end up with Kara - with the flashbacks, it seems they were destined to be together from day one, given their chemistry, so it was surprising that she upped and vanished.

Tigh/Ellen - what is there to say? They finally end up together again, living off the rest of their days on Earth. Despite Ellen's earlier promiscuity and Sol's earlier drinking problem, they made it through all their difficulties and ultimately fulfilled their destiny - which is surely to be together.

William Adama - Finally, the old man. His ending was a very sad one .............. destined to live out his days alone, without his son or his one true love. We can only guess as to whether he lives in peaceful solitude, enjoying his 'real' retirement ...................... or as to whether he longs to return to his longterm role as Admiral on the Galactica.

Awesome show, awesome finale.
I agree with a lot of waht you said. But -

Lee/Kara - I think the flashback showed that they weren't destined to be together. It was definitely love or lust at first sight for these 2. But things or themselves got in the way. I really felt bad for Lee here. He lost his father & the woman he's loved for so long. He's lonely w/o the choice (opposite Tyrol). He's been abandoned w/o any warning.

Tigh/Ellen - At first, I agreed with what you wrote BUT at the end of that scene Tigh turns to her & gives her a look and Ellen has a sort of sad ashamed look on her face. I really couldn't help but wonder if something happened there that was left opened & maybe we'll see it during "the Plan". Maybe he suddenly remembered something from their goo experience. Did anybody else see this look between them?

William Adama - Anyone else get the impression that he doesn't live long. That he builds the cabin for her & then dies of a lonely heart (no Roselyn & no Galactica). I think he does miss Galactica, we got this from the flashback of him looking up.

[The Apocalypse]

I agree with a lot of waht you said. But -

Lee/Kara - I think the flashback showed that they weren't destined to be together. It was definitely love or lust at first sight for these 2. But things or themselves got in the way. I really felt bad for Lee here. He lost his father & the woman he's loved for so long. He's lonely w/o the choice (opposite Tyrol). He's been abandoned w/o any warning.

Tigh/Ellen - At first, I agreed with what you wrote BUT at the end of that scene Tigh turns to her & gives her a look and Ellen has a sort of sad ashamed look on her face. I really couldn't help but wonder if something happened there that was left opened & maybe we'll see it during "the Plan". Maybe he suddenly remembered something from their goo experience. Did anybody else see this look between them?

William Adama - Anyone else get the impression that he doesn't live long. That he builds the cabin for her & then dies of a lonely heart (no Roselyn & no Galactica). I think he does miss Galactica, we got this from the flashback of him looking up.

I think they hinted that he wasn't in good health. A lot in 4.5 you saw him taking pills and saying 'he needs rest'. I think that, plus the drinking, the hard work, and his now broken heart has taken a toll on him.

[Superfreak]

I still dont quite understand why Adama would never see Lee again...

because he flew away... and i think it was intrinsically clear, that once everybody had been spread out, all the vehicles would be scrapped.

[wobbly]

If Adama knew his days were numbered, and as noted there were hints at this, then his wanting to be alone makes sense in him not wanting to put anyone through watching him go, or them having to look after him while he does.
Although a sad ending for him, Bill did seem to find contentment in his fate.

Anyone else notice Hera's future is not destined to be that long? They said the bones were of a 'young' woman. Looks like she will have time to bear maybe a few children and that's her lot.

[Pink Ranger]

Anyone else notice Hera's future is not destined to be that long? They said the bones were of a 'young' woman. Looks like she will have time to bear maybe a few children and that's her lot.

Good observation, but I imagine since they're all going back to living in pre-industrial conditions, her own life expectancy would only be about 30 years, Cylon or no.

[wobbly]

Good observation, but I imagine since they're all going back to living in pre-industrial conditions, her own life expectancy would only be about 30 years, Cylon or no.

True, but though they are abandoning technology they are not ignorant: Some of the basics that make our life-spans generally longer now are not dependent on technology, but rather knowledge.
As such I don't think the average life expectancy that was present for the 'real' humans of that time (I think your estimate of 30 sounds about right) would apply to the colonials. A good few generations down the line, with the gene pool mixed and that knowledge increasingly muted or lost, then sure, but for those settling at that time they ought to live long enough.

[Sentry2005]

My initial worry is that pretty much all of them are going to be killed by the natives. Except hera, who gets raped a bit. Actually, any of the women might get raped. The men are just gonna get killed. Which is depressing.

Of course, I know nothing of the historical era they arrived in... I just kind of wish they had arrived say 3000 years ago... long enough ago to have been what we regard today as the Atlantis myth, or something like that. Then I wouldn't get these recurring flashes of all the characters getting found in the night by a group of hunters from a tribe and then speared to death or raped :(

[Darthkush]

Tigh/Ellen - At first, I agreed with what you wrote BUT at the end of that scene Tigh turns to her & gives her a look and Ellen has a sort of sad ashamed look on her face. I really couldn't help but wonder if something happened there that was left opened & maybe we'll see it during "the Plan". Maybe he suddenly remembered something from their goo experience. Did anybody else see this look between them?



I saw that look too and it was difficult to catch due to them cutting to commercial break after it but it was there. What DOES that look mean?

Watched the finale again this morning and it was even better for me. Since I have come to accept the Kara thing and the "non-action" stuff of the second half in general since it's initial airing, it played about 10x better. Before, I was constantly going,"okay, but what happened to so and so and why is this like that" and now I just enjoyed the 2 plus hours of the finale for the beauty that it is. Battlestar GAlactica was truly an wonderful program and easily the best sci-fi show of this decade by far.

[TheCorpulent1]

My initial worry is that pretty much all of them are going to be killed by the natives. Except hera, who gets raped a bit. Actually, any of the women might get raped. The men are just gonna get killed. Which is depressing.

Of course, I know nothing of the historical era they arrived in... I just kind of wish they had arrived say 3000 years ago... long enough ago to have been what we regard today as the Atlantis myth, or something like that. Then I wouldn't get these recurring flashes of all the characters getting found in the night by a group of hunters from a tribe and then speared to death or raped :(
Presumably, they learned to blend in. Lee said that they weren't going to rebuild any cities or anything like that.

[wobbly]

I saw that look too and it was difficult to catch due to them cutting to commercial break after it but it was there. What DOES that look mean?.

I took that to mean their 'togetherness' might not be a rosey one (referring back to Saul and Ellen in the bar going on about how great it was gonna be having more time with each other). It was as if they remembered that didn't exactly work out too well for them before.

Could also mean Ellen & Saul don't know how to distill good hooch and they were on their last bottle....

[echostation]

watched this again and loved it despite my complaints initially which I still hold... it's just so sad this series is gone now, what an amazing show

[echostation]

although my only other hope was to see Baltar play a more significant role in terms of dying to save humanity, I think that would've been a better ending than him simply "saving" hera then engage in dialogue...

[Superfreak]

in hindsight: poor Tory, driven mad by the music, in order to keep the 5 from giving ressurection back to the cylons

[Hush]

Im thinking of watching this show from that start is it worth it to get invested?

Anyone?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes.

[wobbly]

Presumably, they learned to blend in. Lee said that they weren't going to rebuild any cities or anything like that.

Yep. Lee said they could give them language, and given that cultures over 140,000 years later would evolve closely emulating much of the colonials own mythology (Greek being the blatant one) it's safe to assume they did integrate with the natives and did succeed in passing on some of their knowledge over time.
A lot of it would have been lost though as the earliest signs of what is considered genuine intelligence by humans here is placed around 40 or 50,000 years BC (cave paintings), and agriculture didn't evidence itself until a long time after that (something like 10,000BC if I remember right), but some of their myths survived through the ages to be born again later on.

[Darthkush]

anybody know the ratings for this puppy?

[Specter313]

Battlestar Galactica's big goodbye, according to early returns, was watched by 2.4 million people — a 56 percent surge from the Season 3 ender and the series' best numbers since the Season 2.5 premiere (Jan. 6, 2006). Of note, BSG typically tacks on 700K through DVR+7.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Ratings-Battlestar-finale-1004266.aspx

[Darthkush]

in hindsight: poor Tory, driven mad by the music, in order to keep the 5 from giving ressurection back to the cylons

I'm glad somebody else likes Tory. Seems most fans online have been out for her blood since forever. I liked Tory because she was the only one of the final five to truly say,'I'm an Cylon? Wow, I like that an LOT better than being human.", thus making her an interesting contrast to Sam, Tight, and the rest. I always liked her even before she became an Cylon and important to the show because I think Rekha Sharma is an hot POA:word:

That said, I still think Chief choking her was one of the top 10 best moments of the entire series. Is Galen Tyrol gonna have to choke a b**ch? Reckon so.:hehe:

[Darthkush]

Battlestar Galactica's big goodbye, according to early returns, was watched by 2.4 million people — a 56 percent surge from the Season 3 ender and the series' best numbers since the Season 2.5 premiere (Jan. 6, 2006). Of note, BSG typically tacks on 700K through DVR+7.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Ratings-Battlestar-finale-1004266.aspx

Hmmm, so does that mean that 700k more people watched or is that 2.4 million an total that combined the dvr viewers?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm glad somebody else likes Tory. Seems most fans online have been out for her blood since forever. I liked Tory because she was the only one of the final five to truly say,'I'm an Cylon? Wow, I like that an LOT better than being human.", thus making her an interesting contrast to Sam, Tight, and the rest. I always liked her even before she became an Cylon and important to the show because I think Rekha Sharma is an hot POA:word:

That said, I still think Chief choking her was one of the top 10 best moments of the entire series. Is Galen Tyrol gonna have to choke a b**ch? Reckon so.:hehe:
My friends and I literally cheered when Tyrol's hands wrapped around Tory's neck. God, I hated that b****.

[Specter313]

Hmmm, so does that mean that 700k more people watched or is that 2.4 million an total that combined the dvr viewers?

700k more.

[Jodo]

I wonder if I lived to settle on NuEarth?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/jodok/Battlestar%20Galactica/My%20Collection/3-22-09003.jpg

[Hush]

Yes.

Thanks, pal.

[Not_Sane]

did annyone notice that before starbuck made the jump she said a line from the song AATWT?

[Sawyer]

did annyone notice that before starbuck made the jump she said a line from the song AATWT?

lol I'm pretty sure everyone noticed.

[Darkly Dexter]

What a fantastic series finale.

[elgaz]

Posting about this again as this finale has been in my head all day - the first time I've thought so much about an episode of any TV series in my life. Just shows how much of an emotional and dramatic impact it had!

My one and ONLY gripe about the finale was that we didn't get to see Adama and Tigh giving each other the long goodbye. Or did I miss something? After all, so much was made of their friendship ......... it would have been nice to see the 2 old war dogs give each other a hug and a handshake before going their separate ways.

[Sawyer]

YGO53cK-5vE"It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you."


****ing heart-wrenching.

[Angry Sentinel]

True, but though they are abandoning technology they are not ignorant: Some of the basics that make our life-spans generally longer now are not dependent on technology, but rather knowledge.
As such I don't think the average life expectancy that was present for the 'real' humans of that time (I think your estimate of 30 sounds about right) would apply to the colonials. A good few generations down the line, with the gene pool mixed and that knowledge increasingly muted or lost, then sure, but for those settling at that time they ought to live long enough. I agree with this. Which makes me wonder, how long did the colonials live before they disappeared without a trace. Or how long did Ellen and Tigh live? Agathon? Tyrol?

Thanks, pal. Seriously, YES!

The show is majorly relevant to every social. political, religious, moral, racial and any other cultural aspect of our time. It did all of this while still being entertaining. This is exactly the same thing that Star Trek TOS achieved some 40 years ago, and exactly why that show became so legendary. Which is why I believe Battlestar will be revered as one the best Sci-fi shows of our time.

[Marz69]

Anyone?
BSG is EPIC. Watch from the beginning & try to stay away from spoilers. Although it might be too late for you.

[Sawyer]

There must be some kind of way out of here...

Ka_sHy9cVH0

[Darthkush]

YGO53cK-5vE"It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you."


****ing heart-wrenching.

*sniffle*:csad:

Now somebody post an youtube clip of Tyrol choking Tory!:woot:

[Sawyer]

*sniffle*:csad:

Now somebody post an youtube clip of Tyrol choking Tory!:woot:

I looked, I couldnt find it. I found fragments of the entire finale, but they were all deleted.

[aaron]

so how were six and gaius in the future at the end? is that the angels?

..can people actually see them? i don't get how they are came to be.

[Malice]

Man I forgot it was on.
So I watched Part 1 on the scifi channel...then got my DVR out and pressed play for part 2 and 3.

I figured out, that they were going to hit earth, in our past...I knew it...said it from day 1...(I am historically bad at guessing how movies and shows end)

[Malice]

I thought the series ended just fine.
No big cliffhangers...no big...what the hells from me....surprised I guessed it so right....

[elgaz]

so how were six and gaius in the future at the end? is that the angels?

..can people actually see them? i don't get how they are came to be.

We don't know what they are really, the series was left like that as the writers wanted to leave some element of mystery. Angels? Demons? Agents of 'God'? We never really know. They are definitely not human ........ my personal take on it was that they're observers of some kind working for whatever supreme being has planned all this, but have no particularly good/evil inclination. I don't think the being in question is either good OR evil - they are much bigger than all we can imagine and encompass everything.

[Malice]

I wanted to throw my comments in here...and Sentry put a nice little summation, I will throw my comments after his in a few places....

Somehow I guessed the timeline of BSG was actually happening in the past of the Earth timeline....I guessed this back when the show started...but again, just a wild guess that I happened to be right on.

I cried. I'll admit it. And straight away after my life seemed a little more sucky by comparison with what I've shared with these characters. I recorded the mini-series all those years ago with the vague hope that this would be a decent Sci-Fi show, in a genre saturated with SG-1 and Enterprize, while killing off Farscape in it's prime. It went beyond that, it actually made me think and moved me.

I enjoyed the show. I am one of those people that can watch a show and critique it too much.... In the end, I thought it was a good ending. Of course there are issues and little thorns in the theory...but all in all...nice.

I LOVED seeing the classic Cylons fighting....Loved it!

About the Galactica....
Yeah, when they were jumping, I knew it was the last time it was going to jump. The Galactica was another character of the series, that was getting sicker and sicker every episode....It finally decided to help out the main chars one last time...than gave up the ghost.

About Sam
I never had a like/dislike of Sam...*shrug*

Kara I can live with. I even love that aspect. Kara was always better than the rest. I fell in line with the Daniel theory, and while I liked that, I still like this. And in fairness, the Daniel theory isn't decimated by Kara's more metephysical reveal; she could have been Half Cylon, and the Messianic agent of God (God's not on anyone's side). And I like that she goes back to being dead. It does beg the question of how her Viper got to Earth when she died, but I've watched Farscape. Wormholes rock.

About Kara....
I have not read the boards....what is the Daniel Theory everyone is talking about. My thoughts on her, she was a guide. The was a spiritual guide to get them where they needed to go, when the time was right. I see her as the guide, as she repeatedly has had visions and knowledge of places they needed to go. The Painting on the wall.....the music....the arrow of Athena...
In the end, I am little put off she vanishes....

Baltar was awesome. Tyrol was awesome (take that you back stabbing, Callie-murdering, side-switching, two-faced ***** tori!), Cavil's death was AWESOME. Much better than anyone killing him.

About Baltar and 6
Baltar was not good, was not bad. I see him and 6 being one in the same being almost. They are slivers of each other. I see them, as a higher being that serves the same being, Kara was sent as the guide for. When I think back....I see 6 and Baltar are avatars (physical incarnations), of a higher being. Their spiritual side Baltar and 6 is their spiritual side....


About Ty and his wife
I am not sure what the hell to make of them honestly...

About Galen/Chief/Tyrel
I believe the description he gives is for the English Isles....Scottish/Gaelic background as I see it...

About The Dumping of Technology
I see this as a problem and a good thing at the same, so I will break it down.
Think about the majority of the people in that fleet. The majority didn't work, or had suck a god awful job that required them never to really enjoy life for 4 years. Remember, there was no preparation in the exodus. These people now, probably just wanted to be able to stretch their legs and live outdoors again.

I understand from a personal aspect of wanting to try to start over....but starting over to me, doesn't mean, living like a caveman. They still have their minds. Many of them would have the knowledge to apply basic principles to everyday living.

What did this trully mean? I think this meant, that the survivors, were suppossed to meet the natives, and integrate with them, and teach them. Help them grow. This in turn would allow the survivors to grow themselves.

What is everyones thoughts on this?

[Superfreak]

I wanted to throw my comments in here...and Sentry put a nice little summation, I will throw my comments after his in a few places....

Somehow I guessed the timeline of BSG was actually happening in the past of the Earth timeline....I guessed this back when the show started...but again, just a wild guess that I happened to be right on.



I enjoyed the show. I am one of those people that can watch a show and critique it too much.... In the end, I thought it was a good ending. Of course there are issues and little thorns in the theory...but all in all...nice.

I LOVED seeing the classic Cylons fighting....Loved it!

About the Galactica....
Yeah, when they were jumping, I knew it was the last time it was going to jump. The Galactica was another character of the series, that was getting sicker and sicker every episode....It finally decided to help out the main chars one last time...than gave up the ghost.

About Sam
I never had a like/dislike of Sam...*shrug*



About Kara....
I have not read the boards....what is the Daniel Theory everyone is talking about. My thoughts on her, she was a guide. The was a spiritual guide to get them where they needed to go, when the time was right. I see her as the guide, as she repeatedly has had visions and knowledge of places they needed to go. The Painting on the wall.....the music....the arrow of Athena...
In the end, I am little put off she vanishes....



About Baltar and 6
Baltar was not good, was not bad. I see him and 6 being one in the same being almost. They are slivers of each other. I see them, as a higher being that serves the same being, Kara was sent as the guide for. When I think back....I see 6 and Baltar are avatars (physical incarnations), of a higher being. Their spiritual side Baltar and 6 is their spiritual side....


About Ty and his wife
I am not sure what the hell to make of them honestly...

About Galen/Chief/Tyrel
I believe the description he gives is for the English Isles....Scottish/Gaelic background as I see it...

About The Dumping of Technology
I see this as a problem and a good thing at the same, so I will break it down.
Think about the majority of the people in that fleet. The majority didn't work, or had suck a god awful job that required them never to really enjoy life for 4 years. Remember, there was no preparation in the exodus. These people now, probably just wanted to be able to stretch their legs and live outdoors again.

I understand from a personal aspect of wanting to try to start over....but starting over to me, doesn't mean, living like a caveman. They still have their minds. Many of them would have the knowledge to apply basic principles to everyday living.

What did this trully mean? I think this meant, that the survivors, were suppossed to meet the natives, and integrate with them, and teach them. Help them grow. This in turn would allow the survivors to grow themselves.

What is everyones thoughts on this?

that's about right.

I don't think the guess about the past was all that far out. This series pretty much followed the narrative of the original, just rearticulated for a more educated audience. In hindsight, much of what happened on the show was quite predictable... but that is just semantic. What was great about the show, is how the predictable turns were delivered... in suprising and new ways.

I'm gonna miss this show. And I can only be left wondering what TV show will or can take BSG away from my top position. BSG and Farscape really have been the two shows that have expanded the sci fi genre for me. They're two shows that took sci fi, and treated it properly: as a setting. I very happy with the ending of both series'


I've been looking forward to 'next week' or 'next season' for so long now and suddenly I have friday nights back (it's been a very long time).

[Malice]

I have not read the boards....what is the Daniel Theory everyone is talking about in relation to Kara?

[BlackLantern]

I think the 'Daniel' issue was a sinkhole, just thrown out there to mess with people...Ellen even said that Cavil killed him/them off....we are all just assuming he was alive somewhere

[Malice]

I think the 'Daniel' issue was a sinkhole, just thrown out there to mess with people...Ellen even said that Cavil killed him/them off....we are all just assuming he was alive somewhere

Maybe I am clueless .... but not following you.

[BlackLantern]

when Ellen "returned" to the fleet, she was talking about the final five and the development of the other human form Cylons....she mentioned that Daniel was originally part of that group but Cavil sabotaged the pods and killed them off because, in ellens opinion, she favored him too much over Cavill

[TheCorpulent1]

I assumed Daniel was dead because Cavill killed him, but Starbuck was his daughter.

[wobbly]

Maybe I am clueless .... but not following you.

When Ellen was resurrected it was revealed that the final 5 were in fact the first 5, and it was them who created 8 humanoid model Cylons for the Colonials mechanical Cylons. One of these was called Daniel, described as being artistic, who Caville effectively had destroyed by apparently polluting his genetic information (According to Ellen he did this out of jealousy).
After this Caville had the 5 banished to live in the colonies with no memory of their true selves. He also wiped the memory of Daniel from the other models and restricted their knowledge of the 5 to simply knowing they existed.
When all this was revealed it seemed possible this Daniel could be Kara's father (what with her own ressurrection and herself being artistic too this did seem like a good bet). When Kara was visited by the piano man (apparently another 'angel') it was an easy leap to think this man was the image of her father* and could still be Daniel.

However, before the finale RDM shot all of this speculation down, saying Daniel is not and never was her father so that was pretty much the end of it.

*I don't think they confirmed the Piano man was her father but it seems safe to assume this was another manifestation of the Angels, like Head 6 and Baltar, appearing for Kara only to help her understand the significance of the music she had learned as a child. This idea is not without problems though: If Kara's father was a normal human, then where did he get the music (complete with notes corresponding to specific numbers that plot the course to Earth from The Cylon colony) that he taught to Kara?

[888]

Until contradicted by a tv movie or "Caprica", I'm just gonna keep believing Daniel really was Starbuck's father, even if Ron Moore says differently. It's more interesting to me and does not hurt the mythos in any way.

[TheCorpulent1]

I suppose it's possible that Daniel didn't actually have any relation to Kara, but angel-Kara just automatically had new knowledge the humans and Cylons needed to fulfill their destiny in the form of her memories of her dad/Daniel's song.

[Sentry2005]

Someone quoted me... awesome.

Yeah, the Daniel theory is as stated. It was really a way of explaining the numbering issues (5 + 7 makes 12, but Boomer being number 8 messed things up.), but it did feel natural or 'right' once people started talking about Kara's human resurrection.

I still like it. It would explain why both the other Final Five and Kara glow when Anders sees them (now it just seems that the others from the five are basking in Kara's glow...), and Kara's general better-ness throughout the show. But alas, it's just something I choose to throw in there to add to the overall tone of the narrative, as RDM has disputed it a hell of a lot.

In regards to what that makes Kara's father? A prophet like Roslin I assume would be the answer. Someone who had such a connection with the way he received knowledge, that when given the choice of his family or his connection to the 'plan' he chose his music.

[elgaz]

I had some more thoughts on it today.

In my opinion, the entire saga - the long voyage through space, everything they've been through - was one huge test put in motion by this 'God' or supreme being who is behind everything. The human race was all but dead (only 40-odd thousand left from hundreds of millions), destroyed by their own Cylon creations .............but perhaps this God felt they should have a final chance to prove their worth. And thus the survivors somehow made it through the holocaust, were cast out into space to look for a new home, and were followed by their Cylon adversaries.

The 4 seasons of BSG thus ensued, with all the ups and down, trials and tribulations, the politics, drama, love, everything. And finally we reach an endpoint where the Galactica itself, arguably the symbolic vessel for all that is left of humanity, is starting to come apart at the seams. Given that they are still no closer to finding a home, and Earth has turned out to be a dormant wasteland, it surely seems like there is no hope left - and perhaps that what this God wants to find out; will humanity give up hope completely? Neither religion nor science has offered them a solution, so will they simply die alone in space, cold and hungry as their supplies and fuel run out?

Adama provides the answer. Though they could easily float in space for years and waste away, he asks the entire fleet to look past their own worries, their own concerns, and search for Hera, a child stolen by the Cylons. And this is the critical juncture where the decisions are made that will shape the destiny of the human race; no matter how bad things are for them all, they will still put their lives in danger to save an innocent child. Life itself - not their own, but the life of another - finally proves to be the most important thing to them. It was only through Adama's leadership that this is realised.

The irony is that by saving Hera, they are finally rewarded. Kara realises what the music means and her co-ordinates finally lead them to a new home. Had they not gone back for Hera, would the stimulus have been there for Kara to realise her destiny? Would they have found the new Earth eventually? Probably not. But by doing so, they prove their worth and humanity eventually repopulates.

[Malice]

Nice thoughts

[Superfreak]

Until contradicted by a tv movie or "Caprica", I'm just gonna keep believing Daniel really was Starbuck's father, even if Ron Moore says differently. It's more interesting to me and does not hurt the mythos in any way.

dude, Caprica occurs well before the first Cylon war... The F5 did not arrive in the 12 colonies until the end of the first war (they ended it). So Caprica takes place well before the idea of skin jobs (the ones we know) were even developed... let alone concieved(they were built after the end of the first war).

[TheCorpulent1]

Except they were actually built for the first time before the first Cylon War by humans on Caprica, it seems...

[Sawyer]

I'm still not sure what to make of Caprica, to be honest. I got the impression that the final 5 made the 8 skinjobs themselves, not some pansy-ass that lost his daughter...

[Superfreak]

Except they were actually built for the first time before the first Cylon War by humans on Caprica, it seems...

yeah, but not the skinjobs we know. Daniel was built by Ellen, given that Caprica takes place 50 years before BSG, atleast 10 years before the 1st cylon war... these won't be the skin jobs we know (or daniel for that matter). This holds true unless the show covers up to the end of the first war, at which point, it is plausible that we might see the F5.

[Sawyer]

yeah, but not the skinjobs we know. Daniel was built by Ellen, given that Caprica takes place 50 years before BSG, atleast 10 years before the 1st cylon war... these won't be the skin jobs we know (or daniel for that matter). This holds true unless the show covers up to the end of the first war, at which point, it is plausible that we might see the F5.

Gods, I hope so. This movie "The Plan" cant be the last time I ever see Saul Tigh...