The Battlestar Galactica and Caprica Discussion Thread

[BlackLantern]

Gods, I hope so. This movie "The Plan" cant be the last time I ever see Saul Tigh...

your man love of Saul Tigh is truly a sight to behold....but it is warranted...I hope im that cool when Im that age

[Sawyer]

your man love of Saul Tigh is truly a sight to behold....but it is warranted...I hope im that cool when Im that age

Tigh's a bad mother****er, man. If I could just waddle around, drunk of my ass, saying things like "Aw, Godsdammit!!!" or "What the frak?!" I totally would. Plus, his wife is wicked hot and goes to stripclubs with Tigh and Bill... that's my kind of woman. :up:

[BlackLantern]

Tigh's a bad mother****er, man. If I could just waddle around, drunk of my ass, saying things like "Aw, Godsdammit!!!" or "What the frak?!" I totally would. Plus, his wife is wicked hot and goes to stripclubs with Tigh and Bill... that's my kind of woman. :up:

Remember when she tried to get Baltar in on a threesome back when she first showed up....that's the downside of being married to someone who is adventurous....it can lead to some weird places....I thought Kate Vernon did a great job....either her or Mary should get nominated for an Emmy at least

[Superfreak]

Remember when she tried to get Baltar in on a threesome back when she first showed up....that's the downside of being married to someone who is adventurous....it can lead to some weird places....I thought Kate Vernon did a great job....either her or Mary should get nominated for an Emmy at least

or Ed, he really was fantastic, and the one who pulled the whole show together with his portrayal of the wise father. Hell, Hogan could get one too...his slow destruction of Tigh, and then subsequent ressurection was also brilliant

They could do a whole show about Tigh's 40 years as an unwitting inflitrator.


man I feel like I can throw my TV away. I feel like don't need it for anything now (maybe lost, but BSG's straightforwardness trumps it)

[Sawyer]

Remember when she tried to get Baltar in on a threesome back when she first showed up....that's the downside of being married to someone who is adventurous....it can lead to some weird places....I thought Kate Vernon did a great job....either her or Mary should get nominated for an Emmy at least

I remember how much she wanted to screw Lee and he just completely pussied out. I was like, "dude, go for it!"

[Superfreak]

I remember how much she wanted to screw Lee and he just completely pussied out. I was like, "dude, go for it!"

the consequences might outweigh the benefits in this case

[BlackLantern]

I remember how much she wanted to screw Lee and he just completely pussied out. I was like, "dude, go for it!"

I guess once you've climbed Mt. Starbuck, anyone else seems kinda meh

[Superfreak]

I guess once you've climbed Mt. Starbuck, anyone else seems kinda meh

I believe many climbed Mt. Starbuck, more like a footpath.


I want more BSG so bad, that I could swallow a '20 years later' the cylons return, and what surviving crew, now what I'd characterize as 'Pioneers', has to go jump in some old vipers and raptors, buried away, to end the cylons once and for all. I could even swallow a 'Cylons return today' movie

[Sawyer]

or Ed, he really was fantastic, and the one who pulled the whole show together with his portrayal of the wise father. Hell, Hogan could get one too...his slow destruction of Tigh, and then subsequent ressurection was also brilliant

They could do a whole show about Tigh's 40 years as an unwitting inflitrator.


man I feel like I can throw my TV away. I feel like don't need it for anything now (maybe lost, but BSG's straightforwardness trumps it)

That's pretty much how I feel right now. Lost is the only thing I still need to see every week, but honestly after BSG, it just seems kinda meh. Heroes can go **** itself. Smallville might as well be dead to me. Still love Supernatural, but its kinda the same situation as Lost. Caprica might be interesting, but it cant ever even touch BSG. Not by a mile. Miles, even. I lost interest in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles after the season premiere. I kinda lost interest in Dollhouse before it even began.

BSG kinda put the final nail in the coffin for all of television. :csad:

[BlackLantern]

Terminator has gotten better, LSM....give it another chance

smallville is off my DVR and out of my life since I heard it got renewed, still love Supernatural, Life, and Bones....Castle is pretty good too....

[Superfreak]

That's pretty much how I feel right now. Lost is the only thing I still need to see every week, but honestly after BSG, it just seems kinda meh. Heroes can go **** itself. Smallville might as well be dead to me. Still love Supernatural, but its kinda the same situation as Lost. Caprica might be interesting, but it cant ever even touch BSG. Not by a mile. Miles, even. I lost interest in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles after the season premiere. I kinda lost interest in Dollhouse before it even began.

BSG kinda put the final nail in the coffin for all of television. :csad:

'least I'm not the only one. Pretty much same for me, I love my sci fi... and it's sparse now.

[Sawyer]

Terminator has gotten better, LSM....give it another chance

smallville is off my DVR and out of my life since I heard it got renewed, still love Supernatural, Life, and Bones....Castle is pretty good too....

It's not even a matter of quality, I just feel like I'm forcing myself to watch it. I'll probably get the DVD, but for now it's off my must-watch list.

[Superfreak]

feel like I'm forcing myself to watch it.


yeah, that's really the problem with the show... I'm not compelled ever to come back and watch the next episode... I'm not jonesing for it. As my mom puts it: I'm being fed 10 spoons of salt, to get 1 spoon of sugar.

[BlackLantern]

I watch a lot of different shows so I keep myself occupied....I can watch 3 episodes of BSG and then go watch Greys Anatomy

[Sentry2005]

I'm in a similar position... altho, i'm losing it with Grey's at the moment. Bored town.

Hahahahaha... sorry, I just totally watched Tigh blow a hole in Adama's face. Love this fraking show.

But now I am reduced to Lost. And that is it. Conchords is gone, Futurama died, Farscape got murdered, SG-1 had too many children and didn't grow old gracefully, Star Trek has a new film soon (hope! for the love of god hope!), West Wing is long gone, Alias also... I guess i have the Doctor Who specials, which make me happy in a different way.

There probably are a billion other shows I could find enjoyable, but living in the UK makes it hard to find :(

[Angry Sentinel]

I wanted to throw my comments in here...and Sentry put a nice little summation, I will throw my comments after his in a few places....

Somehow I guessed the timeline of BSG was actually happening in the past of the Earth timeline....I guessed this back when the show started...but again, just a wild guess that I happened to be right on.

About Ty and his wife
I am not sure what the hell to make of them honestly...
Good call on the timeline. I still don't see how you guessed that out of the blue. Ha, pretty much what the rest of us think on Ty and his wife.

Someone quoted me... awesome.
Dude, I quoted you on page 188?

Gods, I hope so. This movie "The Plan" cant be the last time I ever see Saul Tigh... Yeah, ok, what is this movie about? This was the first time I heard about it. It's coming in the fall?

'least I'm not the only one. Pretty much same for me, I love my sci fi... and it's sparse now. Definitely not the only one. Mark my words, this show will be highly revered and go down in Sci-fi history. It may take a while for it to get the due it deserves, but I bet it will happen.

[Manic]

Congratulations, Moore. The BSG finale has made up for the horrible finale to DS9.

The ending was a hell of a lot happier than what I was expecting, and I can still stand by the idea that Head-Six and Head-Baltar are angels. I also cheered a little when Galen choked Tory. She really did have it coming.

One thing I haven't seen too many of you talk about is Boomer's death. I'll admit, when Boomer snapped a Simon's neck and took Hera, my immediate reaction was "ugh, pick a side!" Still, it was nice to see her ultimately redeem herself, and willingly face her own death. She is quite possibly one of the most tragic characters on this show.

Oh, Saul & Ellen. I hope Galen told you how to distill your own booze before he departed.

[USMC]

I think BSG is just a small sliver of what has been happening over and over since the beginning of time.

It's been stated within the series many times that "all of this happened before and all of it will happen again".

This story has played out more than the 2 or 3 times depicted in the series. I believe it's played out like this countless times:

1. Humans evolve on a planet. (Or it begins with God creating life, evolving into the first humans?)

2. Humans create robots as slaves.

3. Robots evolve and rebel.

4. Nuclear war. Robots and humans kill each other and their planet.

5. Some humans survive, leave planet to find a new home.

6. Find home, recolonize, rebuild.

7. Back to #1.

Throughout the entire cycle, God (or whatever) has his agents (Head-Baltar and Head-Six) intervene here and there to push the humans into one direction or another. Sometimes helping, sometimes tempting. He supplies an "Angel" (or whatever, in this case in the form of Kara Thrace) to guide the humans to the place they need to be. Each cycle learns a little bit more about the dangers of creating artificial life, until a cycle comes along in which they inherently decide to either not do it at all, or to treat their creations well... thus ending the cycle.

Head-Six and Head-Baltar confirmed this in the last 2 minutes of the finale. (In my humble opinion) :)

[Superfreak]

well one thing I haven't mentioned, which I loved was the FTL out of the museum. That was cool

[USMC]

Good call on the timeline. I still don't see how you guessed that out of the blue.

Actually, the intro to the original series stated that it was happening in our past. I'm sure they had that in mind for the new series all along.

Yeah, ok, what is this movie about? This was the first time I heard about it. It's coming in the fall?


"The Cylons Were Created by
Man. They Rebelled. They Evolved. They Look and Feel Human. Some are
programmed to think they are Human. There are many copies. And they have a
Plan."


The movie is gonna show it from the Cylon's point of view... specifically Cavil.:yay:

[Superfreak]

I also loved the 'Oil of Olay' moment... I was practically raised on those commercials (ie. they were on like mad when I was a kid).

[Angry Sentinel]

The Cylons Were Created by
Man. They Rebelled. They Evolved. They Look and Feel Human. Some are
programmed to think they are Human. There are many copies. And they have a
Plan."


The movie is gonna show it from the Cylon's point of view... specifically Cavil.

Really!!?? Sounds interesting. I felt like the whole "Cylons" have a plan thing wasn't completely wrapped up. Although, it did seem that the plan involved Cavil being a 'arse' and making humanity jump through some hoops. But to what end? Maybe we will finally find out.

At least it's something to look forward to.

[Sentry2005]

Dude, I quoted you on page 188?


Awesome.

Also, what people are not even talking about is that whatever God is, it could theoretically be the first robots created by the first humans evolved by this point. Also I totally just came up with this by seeing the list posted by USMC.

Just watching the first ep of season four again (as may have been evident by my previous post). LOVE that the reason they don't trust the test results done on Kara because they 'failed' to I.D. Boomer.
If I remember correctly, Head 6 talked Gaius into not revealing Boomer's identity. While this had the immediate effect of allowing Boomer to put 3 rounds into Adama's chest, it ultimately proved to become a part of Kara's test following her resurrection. I just like that neat little narrative technique. I don't know what you'd technically call it, but I call it awesome continuity combined with natural narrative. It's clunky, but I don't care.

[Sawyer]

Yeah, ok, what is this movie about? This was the first time I heard about it. It's coming in the fall?

The Plan is basically to the cylons what Razor was to the Pegasus crew. It's supposed to be significant moments from the series in the cylon perspective. I think it might also give us some history of the final five. Either way, cant wait.
Oh, Saul & Ellen. I hope Galen told you how to distill your own booze before he departed.

What do you think Saul took with him? No personal effects, no clothes. Just booze lots and lots of booze. Probably enough to get them through, oh, maybe the first two hours.

Then they're screwed.

[Superfreak]

The Plan is basically to the cylons what Razor was to the Pegasus crew. It's supposed to be significant moments from the series in the cylon perspective. I think it might also give us some history of the final five. Either way, cant wait.


What do you think Saul took with him? No personal effects, no clothes. Just booze lots and lots of booze. Probably enough to get them through, oh, maybe the first two hours.

Then they're screwed.

I love thinking that the first thing Saul did, was sit down with the locals, and teach them how to distill

[Sentry2005]

Nah, out of all the crew the Tigh's have the best chance to survive. Mainly because Saul actually looks like a pissed off God... so the tribes they encounter will do anything for him. Even learn how to make booze...

I love that bald bastard. I even love when he was **** at commanding the fleet. Those were my happy time episodes. I enjoyed the whole show, but those episodes made me laugh. Especially when even though Tigh was basically a dictator, NO-ONE respected him. Especially Cottle. Got I love Cottle.

This show has helped me realise that people over the age of 50 can be cool. The West Wing furthered this.

[BlackLantern]

Doc Cottle is awesome....I remember he was in Medical and someone said something to him about smoking in there and he just stared at them like they were retarded

[Sawyer]

Doc Cottle is awesome....I remember he was in Medical and someone said something to him about smoking in there and he just stared at them like they were retarded

Oh, yeah, when Caprica was pregnant with Tigh's baby. He gave Tigh either a cigar or cigarette and they both lit up and Ishay (Jamie Bamber's wife btw) was like "thats an awful lot of smoking around a pregnant lady" and Cottle was just like "b****, what did you just say".... okay he didnt actually say that..... he was thinking it, though.

[Sentry2005]

What a legend. I like to imagine he got a tribe of ho's to his name once he settled on earth... died in a six way smoking his last cigarette...

[Superfreak]

every character got a chance to shine in the episode... it was really great. When Cottle was stumped on what to say, what a great scene.

[BlackLantern]

I was watching 'Scar' the other day....and I never really liked Kat, but I was a bit sad when she died

[Sawyer]

I never cared for Kat. She annoyed me.

[BlackLantern]

I practically cheered when Cally got blown out the airlock....

[Superfreak]

so Angels:

'Baltar'
'Six'
Starbuck (after death)
Elojah (when Roslin was having visions on the baseship, motivating her to save Baltar)
Mr. Thrace/Piano player (even stranger, he was an angel, appearing to an angel, wierd)

and the music is an expression of the will of the universe.

[BlackLantern]

if I was Lee, I would totally find a nice patch of land and be leader of my own little nation....he can call it Apollo Land and the only residents can be hot women

[Superfreak]

I practically cheered when Cally got blown out the airlock....

and so it must have been the unseen force that made Tory kill her... in order to prevent ressurection from being re-established.

I cheered both times actually.




ok, here's a tough question:

what's the worst episode of the series?

[Superfreak]

if I was Lee, I would totally find a nice patch of land and be leader of my own little nation....he can call it Apollo Land and the only residents can be hot women

this is why I was saying a movie '20 years later' would be interesting. See some of the characters get immortalized in human legend... Apollo, Athena etc.

[Sawyer]

ok, here's a tough question:

what's the worst episode of the series?

Probably Black Market. Sorry, but Lee, I just dont give a **** about your whore girlfriend or her kid.

[Sentry2005]

ok, here's a tough question:

what's the worst episode of the series?

For me it's between the episode where Apollo takes on the Black Market or Scar. I hate both those episodes.

Scar mainly because it made Kat seem like a good pilot. But she wasn't. She was an arse.

[BlackLantern]

Worst episode....hmm...for me Id say Sacrifice.....I refer to it as "Billy gets ****ed in the ass" episode....first his girlfriend leaves him for pretty boy Apollo, which strikes a raw nerve with a lot of people...and then he gets shot....outside of the Cloud 9 nothing else really happens in that episode

[Sawyer]

Worst episode....hmm...for me Id say Sacrifice.....I refer to it as "Billy gets ****ed in the ass" episode....first his girlfriend leaves him for pretty boy Apollo, which strikes a raw nerve with a lot of people...and then he gets shot....outside of the Cloud 9 nothing else really happens in that episode

But... whorish Ellen. :csad:

Come on, she's adorable and you know it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, out of all the crew the Tigh's have the best chance to survive. Mainly because Saul actually looks like a pissed off God... so the tribes they encounter will do anything for him. Even learn how to make booze...

I love that bald bastard. I even love when he was **** at commanding the fleet. Those were my happy time episodes. I enjoyed the whole show, but those episodes made me laugh. Especially when even though Tigh was basically a dictator, NO-ONE respected him. Especially Cottle. Got I love Cottle.

This show has helped me realise that people over the age of 50 can be cool. The West Wing furthered this.
Hahaha, I bet ol' One-Eye Tigh is the inspiration for Odin if they settled somewhere around northern Europe. :D

[BlackLantern]

Probably Black Market. Sorry, but Lee, I just dont give a **** about your whore girlfriend or her kid.

but you see that Pegasus guy get garroted, so that's a big plus for me

[TheCorpulent1]

The black market episode was really lame. That was meaningless filler from beginning to end.

[BlackLantern]

But... whorish Ellen. :csad:

Come on, she's adorable and you know it.

I like Ellen, but its not like she isn't totally drunk and ****ty in any other episode....

[wobbly]

this is why I was saying a movie '20 years later' would be interesting. See some of the characters get immortalized in human legend... Apollo, Athena etc.

I think they are way too far in the past for that to be really workable to be honest. For that to work you are looking at them arriving much sooner, anytime that wasn't that long before the Greek mythology developed.

The only reason I think they went 150,000 years back was so Hera could be the 'Mitochondrial Eve'. A unique DNA sequence from someone a few thousand years ago could not be found in everyone alive today, but someone from 7,000 or so generations ago could (I would guess).

[Sawyer]

I like Ellen, but its not like she isn't totally drunk and ****ty in any other episode....

lol, speaking of which, I loved in the episode "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down" where Bill was talking about knowing Ellen was out there and why he didnt tell Tigh about it, because he wanted to feel her out and keep her close, which leads to possibly one of the best scenes in the series where everyone in the room is just yelling at each other. Especially when Bill and Saul approach eachother....

Ellen: Now, dont you boys start fighting over little old me!
Roslin: Ellen, be quiet!

That's when I was like "this show is ****ing genius!"

[The Apocalypse]

ok, here's a tough question:

what's the worst episode of the series?

The episode in season 3 with Helo and the sick people. I love Helo but hated that whole story.

[BlackLantern]

The black market episode was really lame. That was meaningless filler from beginning to end.

Bill Duke, man....Bill Duke

[Sawyer]

Bill Duke, man....Bill Duke

Still doesnt make it good.


Now.... ****ty Ellen. THAT would've made it good. ;)

[BlackLantern]

LSM....in your world, Drunk, ****ty Ellen and multiple number 8's are the solution to any problem....

[Sawyer]

LSM....in your world, Drunk, ****ty Ellen and multiple number 8's are the solution to any problem....

You're godsdamn right! :D

Oh, lord, I should make that my sig...

[blksuperman2]

ok, here's a tough question:

what's the worst episode of the series?

I would say either the Black Market stuff or when Helo and Athena first met on old Caprica. I was taken aback by those scenes and really didn't care about those two. I was more interested in knowing what was going on w/ the fleet.

[Darthkush]

[quote=Manic;16642314]
One thing I haven't seen too many of you talk about is Boomer's death. I'll admit, when Boomer snapped a Simon's neck and took Hera, my immediate reaction was "ugh, pick a side!" Still, it was nice to see her ultimately redeem herself, and willingly face her own death. She is quite possibly one of the most tragic characters on this show.

quote]

I might be in an extreme minority but I didn't feel an whole lot when Boomer died. I loved her in season 1 and liked her in season 2. But after Callie shot her and she was resurrected, I thought she was kinda bland when she decided to just be an "evil cylon" and when I started to come around to her again(like Tyrol did)...she betrayed them and stole Hera. Her giving back Hera didn't redeem her for me. I was tired of her by then.

You guys aren't alone in your BSG withdrawal. I think they should've had at LEAST one more season. 4 seasons is really too short for me. I too would even settle for an "Cylons return 10 years later" or whatever and they have one final fight with the Pioneers(or whatever Lee, Bill, Saul, etc. are calling themselves). I am hopeful about Caprica though. Looks cool. And I"m SUPERhyped about The Plan.

Anybody know how much of "The Plan" will be all new footage?

[Manic]

I might be in an extreme minority but I didn't feel an whole lot when Boomer died. I loved her in season 1 and liked her in season 2. But after Callie shot her and she was resurrected, I thought she was kinda bland when she decided to just be an "evil cylon" and when I started to come around to her again(like Tyrol did)...she betrayed them and stole Hera. Her giving back Hera didn't redeem her for me. I was tired of her by then.
It's not just giving Hera back that redeemed Boomer in my eyes. It's the fact that she faced her execution. She knew no one was going to forgive her when she gave Hera back, but she did it anyway because it was the right thing to do. The only way for Boomer's story arc to end was in her death, and she faced it willingly.

Athena: "It doesn't change anything you did, though."
Boomer: "No. We all make our choices. Today I made a choice. I think it's my last one."

[Darthkush]

It's not just giving Hera back that redeemed Boomer in my eyes. It's the fact that she faced her execution. She knew no one was going to forgive her when she gave Hera back, but she did it anyway because it was the right thing to do. The only way for Boomer's story arc to end was in her death, and she faced it willingly.

Athena: "It doesn't change anything you did, though."
Boomer: "No. We all make our choices. Today I made a choice. I think it's my last one."

I suppose. I guess maybe I was just dissapointed that she never got developed as a character the way Athena was. Earlier in the series, they were both progressing at the same time and then Boomer just...stopped. meh.

Odd and offtopic, has anybody else ever seen Tricia Helfer in Playboy. I found the old issue recently and I decided to ummm..use it:woot:. When I was done, I actually said, "Take that, you dirty Cylon". lol. I thought to myself, "my god. what have I become?"

[Eklypze]

I dunno bout yall but after seeing that sneak peek at Caprica I am totally psyched about it. I didnt catch BSG from the beginning but Im sure gonna watch Caprica cuz it looks freakin brilliant.

[888]

This has probably been mentioned before, but isn't it conceivable that "Caprica" is about the hybrids connected to the basestars?

[Superfreak]

This has probably been mentioned before, but isn't it conceivable that "Caprica" is about the hybrids connected to the basestars?

again, not until the end of the first war: in Razor we saw Bill Adama chasing away the very first cylon baseship hybrid....

[TheCorpulent1]

I suppose. I guess maybe I was just dissapointed that she never got developed as a character the way Athena was. Earlier in the series, they were both progressing at the same time and then Boomer just...stopped. meh.

Odd and offtopic, has anybody else ever seen Tricia Helfer in Playboy. I found the old issue recently and I decided to ummm..use it:woot:. When I was done, I actually said, "Take that, you dirty Cylon". lol. I thought to myself, "my god. what have I become?"
I think Boomer got developed pretty well. She struggled with her identity initially, came to accept her Cylon nature but retained her human idealism and fought to unite the two races, failed miserably, became disillusioned and threw herself into annihilating the humans, and finally redeemed herself in the end by accepting death for her crimes. Pretty solid character arc.

[wobbly]

If the Caprica series has a good run I think it might go into the first war and if so might just explain how that first hybrid came into being: The story begins around 50 years before BSG and we know the Clyon war ended 10 years later. We also know the war was a long one (was a 'so many years ago' ever given for when the war started?) so it's not inconceivable the series could overlap (would guess the finale RDM might already have in mind though is the onset of that War) .

Intrigued that Adama's father, Joseph, will playing a big role in the Cylons creation. Also a little puzzled as to how the first Cylon created by 'Daniel'* Graystone will be far more human in appearance and behavior than what followed.

*So far it's unknown if this 'Daniel' will be directly connected to the 7th model Caville would later eradicate (other than being the one who starts the whole Cylon ball rolling that is).

[Superfreak]

If the Caprica series has a good run I think it might go into the first war and if so might just explain how that first hybrid came into being: The story begins around 50 years before BSG and we know the Clyon war ended 10 years later. We also know the war was a long one (was a 'so many years ago' ever given for when the war started?) so it's not inconceivable the series could overlap (would guess the finale RDM might already have in mind though is the onset of that War) .

Intrigued that Adama's father, Joseph, will playing a big role in the Cylons creation. Also a little puzzled as to how the first Cylon created by 'Daniel'* Graystone will be far more human in appearance and behavior than what followed.

*So far it's unknown if this 'Daniel' will be directly connected to the 7th model Caville would later eradicate (other than being the one who starts the whole Cylon ball rolling that is).

I fear Adama will be fighting for 'cylon rights'... leading into their eventual rebellion

[Angry Sentinel]

Still doesnt make it good.


Now.... ****ty Ellen. THAT would've made it good. ;) Gasp... Blasphemy!!!

:wow:

[Fading]

I think Boomer got developed pretty well...

That might be part of the reason I didn't like Tori much, she's a poor man's Boomer. Boomer went thru the whole, "I'm a human, wait...now I'm a cylon? Ok, I'm tired of humans I'll just embraced being a cylon". Except Boomer atleast did it with good intentions, during the occupation she felt humans needed to be baby sat, where Tori had only her own self interest in mind.

In fact I liked Boomer more than Athena for awhile. After she shot Adama I was really interested in what her character would go thru after shooting someone she loved, where as Athena knew who she was and just ended up playing wife and good soldier for a long time. Later on however it switched. Boomer became dull, and Athena started to shine. By the end I was tired of Boomer and her constant back and forth struggle, especially when she latched onto Cavil.

[TheCorpulent1]

Finding out that Boomer was f***ing Cavil kind of turned me off to her. But it was just a symptom of getting burned by the humans after trying to unite the two races, so I look past it.

[Dr Lee]

Anyone know what weapon Starbuck was using in the finale?

[Sawyer]

Finding out that Boomer was f***ing Cavil kind of turned me off to her. But it was just a symptom of getting burned by the humans after trying to unite the two races, so I look past it.

I was definately like "uh....eww!" at least Simon or Doral would be understandable, but Cavil?! Come on, Boomer...

[BlackLantern]

I was definately like "uh....eww!" at least Simon or Doral would be understandable, but Cavil?! Come on, Boomer...

Dean Stockwell is a sexy man

[Manic]

She was probably confusing her sexual desires with her need for a new surrogate father figure after betraying the old one (Bill Adama).

Or maybe Galen Tyrol just puts it down like an old man, so she gravitated toward the closest thing.

[LadyVader]

I was definately like "uh....eww!" at least Simon or Doral would be understandable, but Cavil?! Come on, Boomer...

Al got so much tail on Quantum Leap.

:whatever:

:D

[Manic]

If you can, watch Boomer's death scene again. Right in the baby maker! Athena really wanted to drive a point home when she killed her.

[Johann Krauss]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o156/black_dog212001/pvp20090324.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

She was probably confusing her sexual desires with her need for a new surrogate father figure after betraying the old one (Bill Adama).

Or maybe Galen Tyrol just puts it down like an old man, so she gravitated toward the closest thing.
Or she was trying to rebel as much as possible against her previous ideals after getting burned by them, so she not only became a human-hating extremist, she started f***ing the king of human-hating extremists.

[Sawyer]

Dean Stockwell is a sexy man

Oh please. Saul Tigh would pwn that old b****. :D:D:D

[Marz69]

So many great scenes. One of my favorites is when Starbuck was questioning/torturing Leoben. This guy was such a trickster.

I really got tired of all the 8s. The whole 8 falling in love wore thin. And I didn't care about Helo & 8 on Caprica. I would have liked to have seen an episode where Simon gets fleshed out a bit. We see him in the farm and then I had to wonder if he got boxed and no one told us.

[Sawyer]

So many great scenes. One of my favorites is when Starbuck was questioning/torturing Leoben. This guy was such a trickster.

I really got tired of all the 8s. The whole 8 falling in love wore thin. And I didn't care about Helo & 8 on Caprica. I would have liked to have seen an episode where Simon gets fleshed out a bit. We see him in the farm and then I had to wonder if he got boxed and no one told us.

:dry:

[Marz69]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o156/black_dog212001/pvp20090324.jpg
funny. :woot:

sorry LOUD_SILENT_MAN, i just got tired of her when there were other characters I wanted to see that got next to nothing. Simon, Doral and more Leoben (he was awesome). Leoben was with Galactica in the end and we hardly saw him. Did he even fight? The last thing I needed was more scenes of different 8s dealing with their issues. lol

[Sentry2005]

I think Leoben should have got more screen time. he was my favorite Cylon... wait. No Tigh. Anders. I don't know.

Cylons -

Cavil - awesomely evil

Simon - could have been interesting, but never developed, so appeared to be the most boring man you've ever met. Cardboard has acted better.

Doral - could have been awesome, ended up just looking like the guy no one likes out his friend grouping (which is hard when you're up against Cavil)

Leoben - AWESOME. Just, just awesome.

Athena/Boomer - Athena was cool, Boomer was annoying, liked her arc conclusion though. The 8's were the most fickle out of all the human models, hence why they are my least favorite. After Simon.

6 - ah, who doesn't love six.

3 - and again, who doesn't like some hot LL action.

Tigh - the man. Odin incarnate.

Ellen - ****ty milf scientist lady. Awesome.

Tori - I hate her. I hate her so bad. To the point of wanting the actress to suffer. For playing such a douche, and making her so hate-able.

Tyrol - dude. starts Scotland (maybe). Respect.

Anders - poor Sam :( I really liked Anders once he got his reveal. His character made sense from that point out.

I don't know why I did that. I am so frakking bored.

[Sawyer]

Cylons. Hmmm.... where do I begin?

One/Cavil- Old. Mean. Hates humanity. Probably who I'll be when I'm that age. :csad:

Two/Leoben- Badass. Plain and simple. Hope we get a better picture of who he is in "The Plan".

Three/D'Anna- I could never decide if I liked or hated her. I do kinda wish she had lasted for further episodes in season 4.5, instead of staying behind on old Earth. Her being the only 3 left would be interesting to see.

Four/Simon- There was literally nothing given to us about Simon, which is a shame. Hopefully there is more to learn in The Plan.

Five/Doral- I liked him in the miniseries, but in the actual series episodes, he just seemed like Cavil's henchman really.

Six- Love her. Her scenes with Gaius were some of the best in the series.

Eight/Sharon. LOVE her. You know it, I know it.... I'm in love with the Eights.

Tigh- Bad. Ass. I love the guy. He's who I want to be at that age.

Ellen- MILF. That is all.

Tyrol- Always one of the best characters on the show. It's a shame how things went down for him. The guy lost pretty much everything. :csad:

Sam- Trucco's from my home town. :up: As for the character, I think he genuinely had the most moving ending of the characters, along with Roslin and Adama. I got a little teary eyed at the "See you on the other side" and his ending monologue.

Tory- Loved to hate her. Her death was rather hilarious.

[TheCorpulent1]

Poor Tyrol. The guy just got s*** on constantly throughout the series. And yet he continued to pick himself back up and be frakkin' awesome every time. True love leaves him? Marry the slightly crazy chick who had the hots for him and become a terrorist leader. Underappreciated? Create a whole f***ing union system for the fleet. His son turns out not to be his own? Give the real father some tips on how to raise him. Ex-girlfriend killed his wife? Choke that b**** while 90% of the viewers cheer.

Man, Tyrol gave us some good times...

[Sawyer]

The Nicky thing actually is really the only issue I have with Tyrol. So what if he aint your biological son?! You've raised the kid for the past, what, two- two and half years? You just shove him off on Hot Dog? Not cool, man.

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't think he shoved him off on Hot Dog. I think he gave the kid's biological father the chance to be a father. Given that he was basically schooling Hot Dog in fatherhood in that very episode, it seemed like the implication was that Tyrol would be there to help Hot Dog if he needed it.

[Superfreak]

I didn't think he shoved him off on Hot Dog. I think he gave the kid's biological father the chance to be a father. Given that he was basically schooling Hot Dog in fatherhood in that very episode, it seemed like the implication was that Tyrol would be there to help Hot Dog if he needed it.

indeed, was going to write the same thing.

Tyrol, betrayed by all three love interests

[FreeRadical]

I was so happy when Tory was strangled by Tyrol. Been waiting for that moment after Cally was blown out of the airlock.

When they reached Earth, I was waiting for something bad to happen (this is BSG, the worse always happens), but a bittersweet happy ending was nice.

LOL at Baltar suggesting to mate with the natives.

[Manic]

Tory - "I hated her SO MUCH, it- it- it-- flames. FLAMES! ON THE SIDE OF MY FACE! Breathing-- breath-- heaving breaths..."

[Angry Sentinel]

^ ha... good reference to the movie Clue. That movie rocked!

[FreeRadical]

Adama throwing up and dribbing, then looking at the stars completely owns Luke Skywalker looking at the twin moons from Tattooine.

Lol at Cavill shooting himself.

Galen is the first man of Scotland?

[elgaz]

I watched the 2003 mini-series again last night as I haven't seen it in years, and I just wanted to watch the very beginning again - knowing the events of the finale, it really puts a different twist on it. Starbuck, Apollo, Adama and Tryol all look quite different .......... Starbuck has lost weight since while the other 3 put it on lol.

Six snapping the baby's neck reminded me of how we saw her as simply an evil character at the beginning, though she's changed hugely by the time the finale comes round and is a much more sympathetic character.

Tigh is still the same old hound dog (only he has two eyes) which shows great consistency by Michael Hogan. On that note, it was interesting to see how fleshed out the characters already were in this opening mini-series; a great deal of research and planning had obviously been done by Olmos, Hogan, etc into exactly how their characters were going to behave right from the beginning.

[Sentry2005]

I never thought of Six as evil in that bit of the Mini... I always read it as either; she was simply unaware of the frailty of a baby (she seems a bit upset right after she snaps it's neck) OR she puts it out of its misery instead of allowing it to be caught in a atomic blast.

Not saying six isn't evil (she does actively wipe out humanity), BUT she didn't seem to be acting evily at the that point, if you get me (and forgive the use of the word evily, which as an English teacher I really shouldn't be advocating).

[elgaz]

I never thought of Six as evil in that bit of the Mini... I always read it as either; she was simply unaware of the frailty of a baby (she seems a bit upset right after she snaps it's neck) OR she puts it out of its misery instead of allowing it to be caught in a atomic blast.

Not saying six isn't evil (she does actively wipe out humanity), BUT she didn't seem to be acting evily at the that point, if you get me (and forgive the use of the word evily, which as an English teacher I really shouldn't be advocating).

Hmm I guess it's down to personal opinion .... perhaps evil wasn't the right word. She's cold, clinicial and studies us (notably the baby) almost like we're ants ................ and she also plays Baltar like a chess piece, culminating in wiping out most of humanity.

Contrast that with the Six she becomes, wiping away Baltar's tears and hugging him in the finale; showing some real emotion.

[Not_Sane]

It just seems that in the begining Six was more like a robot and had the whole series to become human. In character sense. does any one get me?

[Superfreak]

I get you, and it's true. All the skin jobs learned how to be more human over the course of the series... even the F5 I'd say.



I was just rewatching the finale before work... and was trying to count the 'acts of god' that occured throughout the episode. Things like the nuking: Racetrack was fully dead, but just in time, the meteor hit the raptor, knocking her hand onto the launch button. Very cool

[Marz69]

I never thought of Six as evil in that bit of the Mini... I always read it as either; she was simply unaware of the frailty of a baby (she seems a bit upset right after she snaps it's neck) OR she puts it out of its misery instead of allowing it to be caught in a atomic blast.

Not saying six isn't evil (she does actively wipe out humanity), BUT she didn't seem to be acting evily at the that point, if you get me (and forgive the use of the word evily, which as an English teacher I really shouldn't be advocating).
That's how I saw Six too. She looked like she was on the verge of tears when she walked away.

[union_jak]

Galen is the first man of Scotland?
Means little unless he has a lady to mate with :cwink:

Who was the man at the end who explained what the Cylons would do now that they reached Earth?

What was that nuked planet they landed on if it wasn't Earth? The original colony?

[Manic]

Who was the man at the end who explained what the Cylons would do now that they reached Earth?
You mean when they explained that they were setting the Centurions free? That was first explained by Leoben, expanded on by Ellen Tigh, and then Lampkin (attorney at law) asked what if they come back.

What was that nuked planet they landed on if it wasn't Earth? The original colony?
The nuked planet was the original Earth. The Earth they found in the last episode was an unnamed planet that they also named Earth. Basically, we live on Earth 2.0

[union_jak]

You mean when they explained that they were setting the Centurions free? That was first explained by Leoben, expanded on by Ellen Tigh, and then Lampkin (attorney at law) asked what if they come back.
Yeah, it was Leoben. I hadn't realised he jumped alliegances.

The nuked planet was the original Earth. The Earth they found in the last episode was an unnamed planet that they also named Earth. Basically, we live on Earth 2.0
They originally had 13 colonies, and original one being their Earth? That wasn't supposed to be our planet then? Didn't they show our continents when they approached it? I get that they named our planet 'Earth' because of their Earth, just wasn't sure if they were connected or something.

[Sawyer]

Yeah, it was Leoben. I hadn't realised he jumped alliegances.

Jumped allegiances? He was with the rebel cylons (the sixes and Sharons) all along...

[Manic]

Yeah, it was Leoben. I hadn't realised he jumped alliegances.
He was part of the rebel group, along with all of the Sixes and Sharons and D'Anna. He was there when they found the original Earth, and got freaked out when he and Starbuck found Starbuck's original body.

They originally had 13 colonies, and original one being their Earth? That wasn't supposed to be our planet then? Didn't they show our continents when they approached it? I get that they named our planet 'Earth' because of their Earth, just wasn't sure if they were connected or something.
Someone in this thread mentioned that when they found the nuked Earth, they didn't show any recognizable continents from space. So no, that was never intended to be our Earth. It was just a red herring.

[union_jak]

Jumped allegiances? He was with the rebel cylons (the sixes and Sharons) all along...
Oh don't treat me like I'm supposed to be as intelligent as you :csad:

I got very confused over how many Sharons and Sixes stuck with the Galactica, I think it's fair to say I can forget someone like Leoben even existed, it's not like he was in it much. i always mixed him up with Doral too.

[Sentry2005]

They originally had 13 colonies, and original one being their Earth? That wasn't supposed to be our planet then? Didn't they show our continents when they approached it? I get that they named our planet 'Earth' because of their Earth, just wasn't sure if they were connected or something.

Well, if you're talking about the zoom in at the end of season three, when Kara comes back, we all just assumed that was the Earth she had visited. Given how All Along the Watchtower was playing at the same time, it's safe to assume that was Earth 2.0 (as the musical notes of the song line up with Earth 2.0's jump co-ordinates). So basically, or how I read it now, is that wasn't the nuked Earth at the end of season 3, it was Earth 2.0

They then went to Earth 1.0 based on Kara's knowledge of where it was (having visited it, and died there). That zoom in was a bit of a red herring, so no one would get that our Earth and the Colonial/Cylon Earth wasn't the same thing.

[TheCorpulent1]

By the time they found their Earth, it had become a symbol to the people of a fresh start where they could rebuild and stop living in fear of extinction, the Cylons, and everything else they'd weathered in the fleet. So, when the fleet found itself floating over this green, lush world with no established civilizations trying to kill them and naturally evolved humans living on it, they christened it "Earth" as a symbolic achievement of the goal that the previous Earth represented.

[wobbly]

They originally had 13 colonies, and original one being their Earth? That wasn't supposed to be our planet then? Didn't they show our continents when they approached it? I get that they named our planet 'Earth' because of their Earth, just wasn't sure if they were connected or something.

There were 13 tribes on Kobol. These all left Kobol with the first 12 founding the colonies at Caprica and the 13th, which turned out to be humanoid Cylons, taking a different path and finding a planet they named 'Earth', which they later nuked to hell.
They did not show any of our continents in the episodes where the fleet found this 'Earth' (which raised a flag for me at the time), but they did show our Earth at the end of the third season when they panned out from the fleet to zoom back in to another part of the galaxy and we saw what was destictively our world (the North American continent was shown).

These planets are not connected, other than our Earth also developing it's own human lifeforms in a gazillion to one co-incidence.

[union_jak]

Someone in this thread mentioned that when they found the nuked Earth, they didn't show any recognizable continents from space. So no, that was never intended to be our Earth. It was just a red herring.
Last second of this clip- Isn't that Florida? They tricked us!!

eHSVlYV5vgI

[Donnie Darko]

I'm sure everyone already knew Helo was on the new Joss Whedon show "Dollhouse," but I just realized (don't remember if he appeared before the most recent episode or not) that Lampkin is also on the show.

[union_jak]

Well, if you're talking about the zoom in at the end of season three, when Kara comes back, we all just assumed that was the Earth she had visited. Given how All Along the Watchtower was playing at the same time, it's safe to assume that was Earth 2.0 (as the musical notes of the song line up with Earth 2.0's jump co-ordinates). So basically, or how I read it now, is that wasn't the nuked Earth at the end of season 3, it was Earth 2.0

They then went to Earth 1.0 based on Kara's knowledge of where it was (having visited it, and died there). That zoom in was a bit of a red herring, so no one would get that our Earth and the Colonial/Cylon Earth wasn't the same thing.
Ok ok I get it, she never visited that planet we saw (our Earth), that had nothing to do with it :up:

[Sentry2005]

I think it's fair to say I can forget someone like Leoben even existed, it's not like he was in it much. i always mixed him up with Doral too.

He was Kara's main source of antagonism through out the first three seasons, then helped her discover her destiny in season 4, and in 4.5 was present when they found her corpse. He wasn't in it that much when contrasted with the 6's and 8's, but I'm pretty sure beyond that he was one of the main one for appearances...

*makes list*
6 and 8 appear the most
then 1 & 3
then 2
then 4 & 5

Not having a go or anything, but he was in it quite a lot. Season 2 was his season off. Other than that he must have at least 3 or 4 appearances per season (ok, not 4.5, but shut up).

Plus, for mistaking him with Doral, I must now hate you forever. Simply because Leoban was cool, and Doral was Cavil's butt monkey. And whiny.

I say whiny because when every other Cylon was discovered, they were pretty much "yo, got me. my bad", and he just *****ed about how they mixed up his dna samples (mini series)

[union_jak]

He was Kara's main source of antagonism through out the first three seasons, then helped her discover her destiny in season 4, and in 4.5 was present when they found her corpse. He wasn't in it that much when contrasted with the 6's and 8's, but I'm pretty sure beyond that he was one of the main one for appearances...

*makes list*
6 and 8 appear the most
then 1 & 3
then 2
then 4 & 5

Not having a go or anything, but he was in it quite a lot. Season 2 was his season off. Other than that he must have at least 3 or 4 appearances per season (ok, not 4.5, but shut up).

Plus, for mistaking him with Doral, I must now hate you forever. Simply because Leoban was cool, and Doral was Cavil's butt monkey. And whiny.

I say whiny because when every other Cylon was discovered, they were pretty much "yo, got me. my bad", and he just *****ed about how they mixed up his dna samples (mini series)
He was the one who kept Starbuck prisoner in her home, and she kept killing him daily, yeah?

[wobbly]

He was the one who kept Starbuck prisoner in her home, and she kept killing him daily, yeah?

Yup. Glutton for punishment that boy...:cwink:

[Sentry2005]

I'm sure everyone already knew Helo was on the new Joss Whedon show "Dollhouse," but I just realized (don't remember if he appeared before the most recent episode or not) that Lampkin is also on the show.

Awesome. I'm probably going to watch it now. What's it about?

[LadyVader]

It's about these people, Dolls, who are kept in a facility called the Dollhouse and their personalities have been erased and they go out on missions imprinted with whatever personality is needed. It's kind of a combo between Pretender and Dark Angel. Biggest problem with it that I have is that certain characters are incredibly unlikeable, and I can't put my finger on it if it's because of the actors or the material, but either way. It gets interesting around the 6th episode. Until then it's trying to find itself.

Much like the title character, Echo. :)

[Sawyer]

Last second of this clip- Isn't that Florida? They tricked us!!

eHSVlYV5vgI

Yes, but that's not necessarily the nuked Earth they found at the end of season 4.0

[Manic]

In hindsight, you know which cylon I almost feel sorry for? Simon. He was constantly getting brutally killed while in the middle of a medical procedure.

[Sentry2005]

My favorite thing that Simon did was get kicked in the leg by Adama when his guts were out all over the CIC. That was sweet.

Personality-less token black Cylon :(

[Manic]

Which is exactly why Dee should've been part of the Final 5.

[Sawyer]

My favorite thing that Simon did was get kicked in the leg by Adama when his guts were out all over the CIC. That was sweet.

Personality-less token black Cylon :(

That was the best. Adama doesnt **** around....

[huskerwebhead]

Has anyone been able to find a video of the final five mind link and Chief breaking Tory's neck?

[Sawyer]

Which is exactly why Dee should've been part of the Final 5.

But, I loves me some Ellen... :csad:

[Sentry2005]

Which is exactly why Dee should've been part of the Final 5.

Instead of Tori. I hate Tori. Is Tori black? I just hate her so much I've never noticed...

Hang on. I'm racist towards Cylons. I have an unexplainable hatred of Simon and Tori, and NO MATTER WHAT anyone says to try and argue their case, I just dismiss it. As they are lies.

:(

[Manic]

But, I loves me some Ellen... :csad:
But we all hate Tory

[Manic]

Instead of Tori. I hate Tori. Is Tori black? I just hate her so much I've never noticed...

Hang on. I'm racist towards Cylons. I have an unexplainable hatred of Simon and Tori, and NO MATTER WHAT anyone says to try and argue their case, I just dismiss it. As they are lies.

:(
Tory's actress (Rekha Sharma) was Indian.

[Sentry2005]

But, I loves me some Ellen... :csad:

Everyone loves themselves some Ellen. it's my main reason for wanting to be alive 150,000 years ago. Guaranteed Cyber-MILF action. Awesome.

[Sawyer]

But we all hate Tory

True. But Tyrol snapping Dee's neck would'nt have had the same level of awesomeness as it did with Tory. Plus, I cant see Dee ever killing Cally, even if she did find out they were all Cylons.

[Manic]

True. But Tyrol snapping Dee's neck would'nt have had the same level of awesomeness as it did with Tory. Plus, I cant see Dee ever killing Cally, even if she did find out they were all Cylons.
Then let's just assume Dee never would've done any of the crap Tory did, and she lived all the way to Earth 2.0 where she lived the rest of her life just like all the other cylons.

And let's just assume Tory was a whiny, annoying human woman who got killed when Zarek assassinated the Quorum.

Better yet, let's forget Tory ever existed.

[huskerwebhead]

Then let's just assume Dee never would've done any of the crap Tory did, and she lived all the way to Earth 2.0 where she lived the rest of her life just like all the other cylons.

And let's just assume Tory was a whiny, annoying human woman who got killed when Zarek assassinated the Quorum.

Better yet, let's forget Tory ever existed.

I enjoy the warm fuzzy feeling I get when the Chief offs her though. :(

[Sawyer]

I enjoy the warm fuzzy feeling I get when the Chief offs her though. :(

Exactly!!!

[Sentry2005]

Then let's just assume Dee never would've done any of the crap Tory did, and she lived all the way to Earth 2.0 where she lived the rest of her life just like all the other cylons.

And let's just assume Tory was a whiny, annoying human woman who got killed when Zarek assassinated the Quorum.

Better yet, let's forget Tory ever existed.

I like everything about that post except the last part. If I did that, then I'd have to forget her neck being snapped, right after she tried to weasel out of the guilt. hahahahahaha. Stupid *****.

[Manic]

I have a hard time reconciling my desire to have never seen Tory as a member of the Final 5 with the pleasure I got in seeing Galen kill her.

[union_jak]

In a roundabout way, it's thanks to her that they reached the true Earth. If she never killed Cally, Tyrol wouldn't have flipped and broken off the download, and they wouldn't have been forced to make a jump.

Despite their truce, part of me was glad that the 'evil' Cylons got wiped out in the end, it was like the final payback for the Caprica devestation. I guess it was intentional by the writers, since it was the Cylons who originally broke the truce and massacred the humans.

Nice to hear the original BSG theme tune at the end, too.

[Sentry2005]

In fairness... I wouldn't have minded Tory as much if resurrection was still around. Then they could have killed her in a new and whacky ways each episode.

[ttotheusher]

Did anyone else see the "Last Frakkin Special"? Apparantly, Harrison Ford was one of the names thrown around for Adama.

[Sentry2005]

Did anyone else see the "Last Frakkin Special"? Apparantly, Harrison Ford was one of the names thrown around for Adama.

I was going to Sky+ it when it's repeated later in the week. I'm just assuming they're going to repeat it.

And while I love Harrison more than any man should love another man when he considers himself heterosexual, I would have never watched this show with Ford as Adama.

[Sawyer]

Yeah, Ford isnt right for Adama. Olmos was the perfect guy for the job.

[ttotheusher]

Oh, I agree. No-one else should of played him, it just intrigued me that Ford was a early candidate. And the specials quite good, I'd reccomend it.

[huskerwebhead]

I just couldn't see Ford playing Adama...glad that didn't work out.

[Sawyer]

And apparently Susan Sarandon was up for Roslin.... f*** that. McDonnell was perfect.

[Sentry2005]

I'd bang Roslin's cancer ridden body...

Where as if Sarandon had been playing the part, I would have just laughed as she got progressively worse. she is another of my hated people in the world. The best thing she did was get suffocated in Igby Goes Down.

Although, she was hot in Rocky Horror... *ponders*

[Manic]

I'd bang Roslin's cancer ridden body...
Really? :csad: I mean, maybe during that time when Athena's blood put her cancer into remission...

[ttotheusher]

And apparently Susan Sarandon was up for Roslin.... f*** that. McDonnell was perfect.

I think everyone was perfect. Not one person gave a dud note. Yea, we hated Tory, but that was the point of her character, and the actress played it beautifully.

Also, for everyone in the UK, is anyone else not starting to get annoyed with Iggy Pop shouting "GET A LIFE!" for the umpteenth time during every Sci-Fi show on? Are Sky trying to say something?

[Sawyer]

In other casting news...

On Battlestar Wiki, it says that Donnelly Rhodes, who played Cottle, auditioned for Tigh. I can see it, yet at the same time I'm so used to Michael Hogan, I cant really imagine what that would've been like.

[union_jak]

The sight of shirtless Iggy Pop was very frightening, his saggy leather skin made me reconsider watching BSG :eek:

Only kidding, but you get the idea.

[Manic]

I think everyone was perfect. Not one person gave a dud note. Yea, we hated Tory, but that was the point of her character, and the actress played it beautifully.
Come to think of it, I don't think anyone here hates Rekha Sharma. Just Tory. So yeah, good on her. :up:

[Superfreak]

In a roundabout way, it's thanks to her that they reached the true Earth. If she never killed Cally, Tyrol wouldn't have flipped and broken off the download, and they wouldn't have been forced to make a jump.

Despite their truce, part of me was glad that the 'evil' Cylons got wiped out in the end, it was like the final payback for the Caprica devestation. I guess it was intentional by the writers, since it was the Cylons who originally broke the truce and massacred the humans.

Nice to hear the original BSG theme tune at the end, too.

I posted about that earlier: I find the acts of god very interesting in the show. Tory was motivated to kill Callie by the music. That whole episode was a trip, and it was mainly Tory's... in so far that it might not have been her conscious fault... that she killed Callie because the music was making her.

Just like Racetrack: does she get credit for finishing off the cylons? or does 'god' for hitting her raptor with 2 meteors? (one killing her, and the other knocking her deadlimb free to push the launch button)

[Sentry2005]

Racetrack gets nothing. Traitorous *****.

Tory didn't have to kill Callie. She just wanted to jump Tyrol again (like back on ye old earth). And even if she was 'egged on' by the music... she's still a douche. Ok, so that wasn't something she had control of (potentially), but she was in control when she was touching up Tyrol in the bar, and she looked pissed off at Callie for interupting what was her seduction moment.

I just... I hate that self obsessed, over indulgent piece of crap double crossing, cowardly, lying ***** of a Cylon. At least we know who the Significant Seven inherited their douche-ness from (let's face it, they all wanted to nuke the colonies in the beginning)

[Sawyer]

Racetrack gets nothing. Traitorous *****.

lol. so true...

[union_jak]

I posted about that earlier: I find the acts of god very interesting in the show. Tory was motivated to kill Callie by the music. That whole episode was a trip, and it was mainly Tory's... in so far that it might not have been her conscious fault... that she killed Callie because the music was making her. If Tory didn't kill her, it looked like there could have been a suicide/homocide anyway.

Just like Racetrack: does she get credit for finishing off the cylons? or does 'god' for hitting her raptor with 2 meteors? (one killing her, and the other knocking her deadlimb free to push the launch button)
I thought she was already dead before the meteor stuck, but yeah, it looked pretty convenient to me.

[Superfreak]

If Tory didn't kill her, it looked like there could have been a suicide/homocide anyway.


I thought she was already dead before the meteor stuck, but yeah, it looked pretty convenient to me.

she was, the first one killed her at the begining of the battle, the second knocked her hand free to murder what was left of the cylons. Anyone notice that she fired 16 nukes at the colony singlehanded... that in itself is sweet

[BlackLantern]

I will miss my RaceTrack

[Sentry2005]

lol. so true...

Still hot though.

[Sawyer]

I will miss my RaceTrack

Pssh... I'll miss my hot naked eights. :csad:

[Sentry2005]

Pssh... I'll miss my hot naked eights. :csad:

Freeze frame the end of Kobol's Last Gleaming part 2... live the dream... I've been living it since saturday...

[Sentry2005]

Just re-watching Flesh & Bone again, and seriously. Leoban OWNS. He's fricking awesome. Knows everything straight away. Clever little frakker.

[BlackLantern]

rewatched the Pegasus arc last night.....Admiral Cain....soo hot...want to touch the hiney....

[Sawyer]

Double post.

[Sawyer]

n7dwOMjpaScI love this show so much it hurts...

[Sentry2005]

Nice montage. I miss this show (I'm watching it right now, and I miss it. I'm also still in awe of it. I can't wait for The Plan, and to re-watch it all like Olmos recently suggested we will all want to do... like I need a movie to want to watch it all again)

I'm gonna watch Pegasus this weekend, once I've stocked up on the essentials of booze and cigs. My plan for the summer (gotta love being a teacher with extended holidays) is to re-watch it all, but as if I was Tigh. I'm going to drink when he drinks, smoke when he smokes, yell when he yells, and frak when he fraks. Me and my left hand are gonna have an awesome summer.

[Sawyer]

rewatched the Pegasus arc last night.....Admiral Cain....soo hot...want to touch the hiney....

Eehh... to butch for me.

[Sentry2005]

Eehh... to butch for me.

Gina and Cain covered in resurrection goo. yum.

Seriously.

This show had the BEST female cast I can think of.

Roslin, Cain, Ellen, Boomer, Six, Racetrack, Seelix, Dee, D'anna, Baltar's ho's... I'd do any of them.

The only reservations I would have are Cally, Tory, the master at arms woman from season one and that lawyer the president had trying to get Baltar found guilty.

[Sawyer]

Cally was a maybe for me until Tyrol said something about her smelling like cabbage and I was like "No no no no...."

[Sentry2005]

double post

[Sentry2005]

Yeah, I went off Cally at some point... I think it was after the chief beat her up, and she suddenly became all 'please sir, I'd like some more!'

She never looked like she should smell like cabbage, so credit to her.

[Sentry2005]

-edit- I'm also turning into a double posting whore...

[Sentry2005]

Right, i'm turning into a posting whore on this thread... but AWESOME line from Roslin (on Tigh me up, Tigh me down now);

(in regards to Ellen Tigh) "You really think that woman is a Cylon?

Lee: If she's not, we're all in serious trouble...

[BlackLantern]

Yeah, I went off Cally at some point... I think it was after the chief beat her up, and she suddenly became all 'please sir, I'd like some more!'

She never looked like she should smell like cabbage, so credit to her.

**** yeah she does....she looks like that chick that has all the hot freinds and is left sitting at the table alone on purse patrol while all her hot friends flirt and get free drinks....

[Sentry2005]

**** yeah she does....she looks like that chick that has all the hot freinds and is left sitting at the table alone on purse patrol while all her hot friends flirt and get free drinks....

I always got the 'in high school I wasn't popular, and I was pretty bland, but now I'm coming into my own' look...

infact, I am going to contradict myself totally and say taht actually she LOOKS hotter after Tyrol starts beating her up, but I'd rather have her when she was a fun and feisty member of the crew (i.e. before then, like when she bit off that rapists ear on the prison ship.. the little scamp!)

[Sawyer]

I'm fairly certain I've already dont a ranking for the women, but I think it was jokingly...

Athena/Boomer/any Eight
Ellen
Starbuck
Six
Dee
Roslin
Racetrack
D'Anna
Seelix
Tory
Cally
Cain

EDIT: Seelix got bumped down one spot. That ***** screwed Anders over.

[Sentry2005]

Racetrack
Starbuck
Roslin
Ellen
D'Anna
Eight
Six
Cain
Cally
Dee
Seelix
Tory (I only included her because LSM did... other wise, not at all)

[Manic]

Sharon
Natalie-Six
Dee
D'Anna
Starbuck
Ellen
Admiral Cain
Tory
Roslin
Cally

And a few women from Baltar's harem.

[Superfreak]

Athena wins the top of the list for me.... any woman who went as ballistic as she did when Adama took the baby away from her... any woman who smashes her head agaisnt the glass to scare the **** out of the marines is a winner in my books.

[Superfreak]

n7dwOMjpaScI love this show so much it hurts...

good clip w/ the closing babylon 5 tune.

[Sawyer]

4EQXEIoZrZE
Some of the most beautiful score i've ever heard. Seriously, Bear McCreary is a god among composers.

[Angry Sentinel]

That is good. I'm going to download that right now.

[Superfreak]

That is good. I'm going to download that right now.

every season score has been fantastic, grab them all

V2dyN5A12js&feature=related

I likes this one the best

[TheCorpulent1]

I love how the BSG score combines so many different musical styles--the tribal drum beats, the plucky Indian strings and choral bits, etc. There's even some metal influence in the piece Superfreak just posted. It's very disparate but it sounds amazing. :up:

[Superfreak]

I love how the BSG score combines so many different musical styles--the tribal drum beats, the plucky Indian strings and choral bits, etc. There's even some metal influence in the piece Superfreak just posted. It's very disparate but it sounds amazing. :up:

me too. Each album has such variety. It's hard to believe it's all from the same show, let alone believe it's from a tv show, rather than a movie. I can't wait for the S4 OST

[Sawyer]

I'm sure McCreary's Caprica score will be just as great.

[Angry Sentinel]

every season score has been fantastic, grab them all

V2dyN5A12js&feature=related

I likes this one the bestThanks, I got that too. I happen to mention it to a buddy of mine and he already had them all. When I went to look for the first one I did some research, Bear McCreary is really good. I grabbed a few other compositions from other projects. I like the Battlestar stuff the best so far. I haven't decided which season though.

[echostation]

anyone see the new 8 clips of Caprica? what do u guys think

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40573

[BlackLantern]

I try not to sully my browser with AICN....but what ive seen on SciFi looks interesting

[Sawyer]

I just want appearances from the final five, godsdammit...

[Gold Samurai]

Extended Cut of BSG Finale on DVD + Moore on Alternate Endings
Ronald D. Moore told SCI FI Wire that DVD for season four of "Battlestar Galactica" will have an extended cut of the series finale:

Well, there was a series of flashbacks that had to do with Boomer [Grace Park] and Helo [Tahmoh Penikett] and Tyrol [Aaron Douglas] back on Galactica when she was a rookie pilot. It was the first time she kissed Tyrol, the beginnings of that relationship, the beginning of Helo having his longing for her, and sort of establishing where that triangle was way back in the beginning. We cut that, just for time. It will be on the extended DVD version.

The DVD will also have some longer versions of the same scenes, including one after Tyrol says, "We have to hook Anders into CIC", which involves a heated argument between Tyrol, Adama and Starbuck in Adama’s quarters. To read Moore’s reactions to the series finale, head on over to SCI FI Wire. In a separate interview with io9, Moore talked about a different ending that they had in mind for the series, this one focused on Ellen:

There was a different ending that we had, it was all about Ellen aboard the Colony. She was sort of turned by Cavil, because she found out that Tigh had impregnated Caprica Six, and that deeply embittered her. And she sort of became dedicated to the idea of destroying Galactica and the fleet out of revenge. And [she and Cavil] got Hera, and then the final confrontation became very personalized between Tigh versus Ellen, and should they forgive.

Moore says that over the course of the writer’s strike, he rethought about it and decided that it wasn’t "epic enough", and that’s when they "decided to start over, and reinvent the last arc of the show." Moore also discussed another ending all together with SCI FI Wire, telling the site that in another version of the finale, the Galactica ends up on earth instead of being flown into the sun and manages to show up in our present-day timeline:

"There was a point in the development process where we discussed the idea of the Galactica not being destroyed, but having somehow landed on the surface more or less intact, but unable to ever get into orbit again (the particulars here were never worked out, so don’t ask how she made it down without being torn apart). We talked about them basically abandoning the ship and moving out into the world.
"Cut to the present-day in Central America where there are these enormous mysterious mounds that archeologists have not been able to understand (it may have been South America, I can’t recall the exact location, but these mounds really do exist). Someone is doing a new kind of survey of the mounds with some kind of ground-penetrating radar or something and lo and behold, we see the outlines of the Galactica still buried under the surface."

There’s also a new interview with Mary McDonnell, who calls the series finale "very eloquent, very hopeful and very necessary". Check it out over at SCI FI Wire.

I like the idea of Galactica being found underground. Sure it's cheesy but I would like to see our modern day earth figure out the galactica.

I'm sure it would freak people out to see a skeleton of Anders in the hybrid tank

The only way I can see for Galactica to end up on Earth like that would be if Kara's FTL coordinates jumped the ship pretty damn close to the ground. It would frak up the ecosystem and ship for sure, but it would probably be isolated to the immediate area.

Although the scene of the entire fleet going towards the sun was beautiful.

Bear McCreary's music was amazing. I've got all along the watchtower on my mind and Ipod touch


I have to be honest, I lost my Scifi network around the time of "The Road Less Traveled" and haven't had time to go and download the episodes I missed but I came back for the finale.

I guess Cavill's suicide was supposed to be an awesome moment when he said "Frak this!"

For those that don't know, RDM did read about the mitochondrial eve(That was him in the finale reading the paper)

[Sawyer]

I do kinda wish the Galactica stayed on Earth... oh, well...

[Darthkush]

Racetrack
Starbuck
Roslin
Ellen
D'Anna
Eight
Six
Cain
Cally
Dee
Seelix
Tory (I only included her because LSM did... other wise, not at all)

hmmmmm, for me this goes:
Tory(I think she's superhot and traiterous or not, i LOVE Tory.)
Six(I actually think Helfer got hotter as the show went on)
Eight
Dee
Cally
Kat(I think you all forgot about her)
D'Anna
Starbuck
Roslin
Racetrack
Seelix
Cain
Ellen

I rewatched the miniseries and "33" as well as the finale(for the third time) over the past few days. It's funny how much promise Doral showed in the miniseries but ultimately never really went anywhere. He and Simon are ridiculously underdeveloped.

Also, does it bother anyone else that Racetrack and Skulls were forgiven after the mutiny? I thought they kind of had it coming when they got killed.

I don't know if any of you know, but does anyone know where there are no Baltar or Col. Tigh action figures? Is it an likeness issue? I know that's why the produced D'Anna figure was never released. Same thing here?

[Superfreak]

hmmmmm, for me this goes:
Tory(I think she's superhot and traiterous or not, i LOVE Tory.)
Six(I actually think Helfer got hotter as the show went on)
Eight
Dee
Cally
Kat(I think you all forgot about her)
D'Anna
Starbuck
Roslin
Racetrack
Seelix
Cain
Ellen

I rewatched the miniseries and "33" as well as the finale(for the third time) over the past few days. It's funny how much promise Doral showed in the miniseries but ultimately never really went anywhere. He and Simon are ridiculously underdeveloped.

Also, does it bother anyone else that Racetrack and Skulls were forgiven after the mutiny? I thought they kind of had it coming when they got killed.

I don't know if any of you know, but does anyone know where there are no Baltar or Col. Tigh action figures? Is it an likeness issue? I know that's why the produced D'Anna figure was never released. Same thing here?

are there any bsg action figures?

[BlackLantern]

I do kinda wish the Galactica stayed on Earth... oh, well...

where would they put it?? what would they do with it??

[Manic]

where would they put it?? what would they do with it??
Um...
"There was a point in the development process where we discussed the idea of the Galactica not being destroyed, but having somehow landed on the surface more or less intact, but unable to ever get into orbit again (the particulars here were never worked out, so don’t ask how she made it down without being torn apart). We talked about them basically abandoning the ship and moving out into the world.
"Cut to the present-day in Central America where there are these enormous mysterious mounds that archeologists have not been able to understand (it may have been South America, I can’t recall the exact location, but these mounds really do exist). Someone is doing a new kind of survey of the mounds with some kind of ground-penetrating radar or something and lo and behold, we see the outlines of the Galactica still buried under the surface."

[union_jak]

Imagine if the Galactica crashed into Earth and started the Ice Age lol

Not that it could have withstood the entry into the atmosphere... but you get the idea.

[Darthkush]

are there any bsg action figures?

Actually quite a bit. Diamond Select has so far made: Apollo(in flight suit), Hot Dog Costanza, Helo(in blue uniform), Sam Anders, Six(in red dress), Caprica Six, Chief Tyrol(in green fatigues), Starbuck(in flight suit), Helo(in flight suit), Kat(in dlight suit), Cylon Centurion(as well as SEVERAL varients of them. too many to list), Kendra Shaw, William Adama(young, in flight suit), Gina Inviere, Classic Centurion, Admiral Adama, President Lee Adama, President Roslin, Admiral Cain, Apollo/Dualla(2 pack), Leobon/Starbuck(2 pack). There's also an unreleased D'Anna and Boomer 2 pack.

I THINK that's it. So, yes there are figures and I want Tigh and Baltar lol

[Sawyer]

All of this has happened before...

An international team of scientists in Europe has created a silicon chip designed to function like a human brain. With 200,000 neurons linked up by 50 million synaptic connections, the chip is able to mimic the brain's ability to learn more closely than any other machine.
http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2009/03/information-lots-of-it.html

[Angry Sentinel]

The first time I read that, I read " An international team of scientists in Europe has created a silon (Cylon) chip designed to function like a human brain..." Needless to say I re-read it and got the right message. Still very chilling!

[Manic]

Great. Now I find myself laughing like Saul Tigh.

[Not_Sane]

I kinda wish the show had more stuff with Helo and Starbuck together. They had good chemistry. I really think that Helo was one of Kara's only male friend she didn't screw.

[ariellem]

^Was Helo with anyone besides the 8s during the series? I've seen them all but can't remember.

[Alistair]

Heya,

I don't know if was my Target or not, but they are selling Season 2.0 & 2.5 for 40 bucks for a limited time.

Just thought give ya a heads up for the ones that don't have it as of yet.

=P,
Ali

[BlackLantern]

I bought 2.0 and 2.5 used for 28 bucks a piece a couple months back

[union_jak]

They're selling the mini series, seasons 1, 2, 3, the first half of 4 and Razor in a BSG box set for £35 in the UK. That's like $24 lol

[Superfreak]

^Was Helo with anyone besides the 8s during the series? I've seen them all but can't remember.

nope, there was some tension between him and boomer at the very beginning, but Boomer was with the Chief. But then Helo spent the whole first season on Caprica (self-marooned to save Baltar in the MS) with Athena,,, until Starbuck rescued them at the beginning of S2...

he's pretty much been all about the 8s. Boomer for about 5 seconds, and Athena the rest of the time.

[Sawyer]

http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-know-how-he-feels.html
I Know How He Feels.

Obama Depressed, Distant Since 'Battlestar Galactica' Series Finale


Obama told aides he feels "like a cylon without a Resurrection Ship."


WASHINGTON—According to sources in the White House, President Barack Obama has been uncharacteristically distant and withdrawn ever since last month's two-hour series finale of Battlestar Galactica.

"The president seems to be someplace else lately," said one high-level official, speaking on condition of anonymity. "Yesterday we were all being briefed on the encroachment of Iranian drone planes into Iraq, when he just looked up from the table and blurted out, 'What am I supposed to watch on Fridays at 10 p.m. now? Numb3rs?'"

"I haven't seen him this upset since Admiral Adama realized that Earth was actually an uninhabitable wasteland," the official continued. "Or at least that's what he told me. I don't actually watch the show. It's not really my thing."

Since the end of the series, Obama has reportedly brushed off key budgetary decisions, ignored his wife and children, and neglected his daily workouts, claiming that he no longer cares if he lets himself go "just like Lee did before the rescue on New Caprica."

In addition, sources confirmed that instead of meeting with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Monday, the depressed president sat alone in the Oval Office, scouring Internet message boards for posts by other fans about the series conclusion.

Hoping to cheer himself up, Obama also decided to re-watch the extended director's cut of "Unfinished Business," a season three episode he once described as "bringing the Starbuck-Apollo relationship to a head in the best possible way."

Revisiting the series, however, has only made the president more miserable. After a staffer suggested he bring DVDs of the show along on a recent policy trip to Denver, Obama reportedly muttered under his breath, "What's the point? It's over."

"We were going over his schedule when he sighed and asked if I watched Battlestar," said a White House secretary, whom Obama used to playfully call "Billy." "I told him I was planning on it because my sister's a big fan, but he just stared out the window the whole time."

"I also noticed he took down his Battlestar Galactica season 4.5 poster," she added.


Honestly, you could replace all the "Obama"s with my name, and it would be 100% true.

[union_jak]

April Fools', right?

[Sawyer]

April Fools', right?

I guess you could say that. But its still pretty damn funny.

[union_jak]

Just about the only funny thing I've seen all day :up:

[Eklypze]

So it isnt real?!?! That sux the whole time i was reading it i was just smilin thinking to myself "Damn Obama is the man!!" Lmao

[Sawyer]

LSM's five year bump!

Yaaaayy!

[BlackLantern]

LSM's five year bump!

Yaaaayy!

Congrats.....we need to celebrate....get some copper tubing and come back at 0300....we'll do this right

[Sawyer]

Congrats.....we need to celebrate....get some copper tubing and come back at 0300....we'll do this right

Bring me Grace Park.

[BlackLantern]

Bring me Grace Park.

There is only one....no multiple copies...sorry

[Sawyer]

There is only one....no multiple copies...sorry

:dry:......
*throws glass of water at computer monitor*

Then make me another one!!! :cmad:

[Superfreak]

after some time to let the ending marinate in my brain... I have only one complaint now about the finale. It is this: That the remnants of the colonial fleet and the people aboard should have died (all the people who didn't volunteer for the final mission). This would make everything flow and match a little better

-those humans who weren't able to live with cylons, remain in the fleet and die
-those cylons who weren't able to give up the pursuit of 'the plan' die

in hindsight, I think this would have made more sense in the grand scheme of things. Kind of like the God entity is weeding out those people, and cylons, that are not worthy of the prize, 'worthy of survival'. While those who volunteered were proven worthy etc.

moreover, this would have made the finale a little more acceptable (the return to nature) seeing that what I outlined above, Galactica and crew would be the only ship to survive, given the state of the poor BSG-75 at the end.

I loved the finale, but with some time to go over it in detail... I think the above is the only change I would make (apart from Helo losing his leg, which would have been so cold, but also fitting in some perverse way)

[Manic]

after some time to let the ending marinate in my brain... I have only one complaint now about the finale. It is this: That the remnants of the colonial fleet and the people aboard should have died (all the people who didn't volunteer for the final mission). This would make everything flow and match a little better

-those humans who weren't able to live with cylons, remain in the fleet and die
-those cylons who weren't able to give up the pursuit of 'the plan' die

in hindsight, I think this would have made more sense in the grand scheme of things. Kind of like the God entity is weeding out those people, and cylons, that are not worthy of the prize, 'worthy of survival'. While those who volunteered were proven worthy etc.

moreover, this would have made the finale a little more acceptable (the return to nature) seeing that what I outlined above, Galactica and crew would be the only ship to survive, given the state of the poor BSG-75 at the end.

I loved the finale, but with some time to go over it in detail... I think the above is the only change I would make (apart from Helo losing his leg, which would have been so cold, but also fitting in some perverse way)
I disagree. Killing off the civilians in the fleet would've implied that God favors soldiers over all others. Should all of the children, parents, elders, and those incapable of fighting have really been killed? Should the progenitors of the human race all be soldiers when God is trying to prevent a cycle of violence from continuing? Should the last doctor in all of humanity die because he stayed to treat the non-fighters? Should the pacifists who stayed behind all die?

The human race was being brought down to a manageable number, and that's exactly what the fall of Caprica and the Colonies did. The "worthy" ones were already chosen and given special roles to play in the grand scheme of things.

[Superfreak]

clearly some of the details would have to be worked out to avoid such inconsistencies. I just have a problem with the cylons being decimated because they have a bad attitude... but those humans with equally bad attitudes get a free pass. I would have prefered a message of 'only those who cooperate, and work together get the prize'

[Darthkush]

Been rewatching season 1. "Bastile Day", "Act of Contrition", and "You can't go home again" were all episodes I initially thought weak during my first viewing of them but today the former two really shone for me. I still don't like, "You can't go home again" though. It's just kind of dull.

other notes:

-I had forgotten that Hot Dog and Kat appeared so early in the series. I don't think I remembered seeing Kat at all until at least a quarter way through season 2.

-Starbuck was a much stronger character back then. I liked her through the entire run of the series but after they killed her off in season 3 and came back at the very end of that same season, she wasn't quite the same or as interesting. She also lost some of her edge when she and Lee started messing around on Anders and Dualla. Although those episodes were good, Starbuck faltered as a character after that.

-The Helo/Sharon on CAprica storyline is about 10x more interesting than when I first saw it. It now carries a lot more weight and(I'm ashamed to admit) I didn't really know what was going on the first time I saw it until Helo realized she was a cylon. I thought(for some reason. Mainly, I think, because I wasn't paying much attention at the time and was more of a casual viewer of the show at best), that Helo/Sharon's time on Caprica took place in the past and that Boomer's stuff on Galactica was the present. It didn't take me long to realize that wasn't the case back then and now that I know what's going on from the get go, MUCH more interesting. It's also cool to see them slowly fall in love.

[Manic]

clearly some of the details would have to be worked out to avoid such inconsistencies. I just have a problem with the cylons being decimated because they have a bad attitude... but those humans with equally bad attitudes get a free pass. I would have prefered a message of 'only those who cooperate, and work together get the prize'
It's totally different. The human race consisted of thousands of individuals who all thought differently from one another. The cylons had only seven different hive-minds. For thousands of cylons to make their decisions, only seven people needed to make up their minds. The Cavils were the masterminds behind the whole thing, and he kept the Aarons and Simons in line by talking to the same two dudes who simply relayed their opinions to the others in their respective models. Three guys wanted to kill all humans, and their copies simply fell in line.

Also, you're assuming that all of the humans who didn't volunteer for the mission hated all cylons. The humans left behind included Doc Cottle (who never showed any ill will toward Sharon, Hera, or a pregnant Six) and Baltar's love cult (who fell in line with the freaking cylon religion). Surely there were humans in the fleet who had grown to accept the rebel cylons as allies, and let their children play with Hera.

Also, what about the people who volunteered for the final mission because they wanted to kill some cylons?

In a way, I think death was more likely to come to those who actively impeded God's plan, not those who simply didn't want to cooperate. The cylons who still wanted to kill all humans (going against God's plan) died. The soldiers who sided with Gaeta and Zarek (going against the prophecy and God's plan) were killed by a rock then manipulated into destroying the Cylon Colony by another rock. Tory kept trying to get the Final 5 to separate from the fleet more than any other cylon, and b**** got choked.

You know who totally didn't have it coming, though? That random dude on that one ship who didn't really wanna go on a suicide mission to save someone he's never met.

[ariellem]

Tangential news:
Helo & SV's Supergirl are supposed to be the stars of a SciFi Channel version of Riverworld soon.

[Superfreak]

I dunno Manic, see what bothered me in the end, is that we humans are just as evil, if not moreso than the cylons... and I didn't understand why the entire fleet got to have a nice vacation on planet perfect, even the worst of the worst, like the rapist guy. Why is humanity favored?

[Manic]

Like I said, I think that toward the end, the deaths were more about getting rid of those who've been getting in the way of cylons and humans coming together. The cylons who were still trying to kill all humans, mutinous members of the crew, even the quorum that opposed cylons joining the fleet got killed off a few episodes prior.

It'd be nice if God weeded out all of the sinners, rapists, and n'er' do wells before putting the last humans on Earth 2.0, but it just wasn't happening I guess.

[BlackLantern]

Tangential news:
Helo & SV's Supergirl are supposed to be the stars of a SciFi Channel version of Riverworld soon.

why does she keep getting work?? she's a horrid actress

[Superfreak]

Like I said, I think that toward the end, the deaths were more about getting rid of those who've been getting in the way of cylons and humans coming together. The cylons who were still trying to kill all humans, mutinous members of the crew, even the quorum that opposed cylons joining the fleet got killed off a few episodes prior.

It'd be nice if God weeded out all of the sinners, rapists, and n'er' do wells before putting the last humans on Earth 2.0, but it just wasn't happening I guess.

now you get it. Clearly there was a weeding out process going on... but it seems that those in the fleet did not get weeded out. Yet a larger majority of cylons were wiped out for that very reason....


again, I loved the finale, but I also sympathize with those who didn't really enjoy the return to nature aspect at the end... which I think would have worked better with only Galactica surviving... not to mention the feeling of happiness and sadness that the crew would experience, knowing the found a new home, and that their comrads were to thick or stubborn to join them etc.

[Manic]

Dude, what does a luxury vacation ship full of civilians have to do to deserve survival?

[Superfreak]

Dude, what does a luxury vacation ship full of civilians have to do to deserve survival?

what does a colony of cylons have to do?

[Manic]

what does a colony of cylons have to do?
Not conspire to kill all humans.

The cylons who weren't trying to kill all humans were all aboard the Galactica. And alone on Old Earth. Like I said, the cylons operate through hive minds. When Cavil (1), Aaron (5), and Simon (4) made their decisions, the rest of their copies fell in line. The 1s, 5s, and 4s were the only people living on that colony, and it's assumed that they all agreed with one another.

It's really difficult to hold the cylons up to the same populous behavioral standards as humans. They were really only seven people repeated several times, with a few copies making different decisions because of life-altering experiences (Boomer thinking she's human, Caprica being talked to by an angel, Athena being the only one to get pregnant by a human).

[Superfreak]

Not conspire to kill all humans.

The cylons who weren't trying to kill all humans were all aboard the Galactica. And alone on Old Earth. Like I said, the cylons operate through hive minds. When Cavil (1), Aaron (5), and Simon (4) made their decisions, the rest of their copies fell in line. The 1s, 5s, and 4s were the only people living on that colony, and it's assumed that they all agreed with one another.

It's really difficult to hold the cylons up to the same populous behavioral standards as humans. They were really only seven people repeated several times, with a few copies making different decisions because of life-altering experiences (Boomer thinking she's human, Caprica being talked to by an angel, Athena being the only one to get pregnant by a human).

you're yet to explain to me why most of the mutineers, who are equally as evil, just from the polar opposite side of the argument, get a free pass, and get to go to happy land.

every cylon was the same, but each was individual, they were not repeated copies of the same person. Athena was far different from Boomer, and all the various 6s we met were all different. The only thing they shared is their appearance, and some were able to share/steal memories after a given cylon's ressurection.


again, like I said, loved the finale, but I think it would have felt more complete, if the last of the Human sinners got wiped out along with those cylon sinners, and only those humans and cylons who had put their differences aside and cooperated, get the magical prize.

[Sawyer]

why does she keep getting work?? she's a horrid actress

But she's hotttt!

[BlackLantern]

But she's hotttt!

Katee Sackhoff would beat her stupid

[Sawyer]

Katee Sackhoff would beat her stupid

True, but still....

And then Grace Park would come in and make them both her prison *****es.

[Manic]

you're yet to explain to me why most of the mutineers, who are equally as evil, just from the polar opposite side of the argument, get a free pass, and get to go to happy land.
All I know is that every mutineer I recognized was either executed at the end of the mutiny episode, or had a space rock crash into their raptor during the finale.

every cylon was the same, but each was individual, they were not repeated copies of the same person. Athena was far different from Boomer, and all the various 6s we met were all different. The only thing they shared is their appearance, and some were able to share/steal memories after a given cylon's ressurection.
When the cylons were debating about whether or not to give the centurions free will, and Boomer sided against the other 8s, they made a point in saying that no cylon has ever voted against their own line. With the exception of those who went through incredibly unique experiences (Boomer thinking she's human, Athena getting pregnant with a half-human child, and Caprica getting told what to do by angels), it has been heavily implied that each model consists of like-minded individuals. It wasn't exactly a common occurrence to see the Aaron Dorals arguing with one another.

again, like I said, loved the finale, but I think it would have felt more complete, if the last of the Human sinners got wiped out along with those cylon sinners, and only those humans and cylons who had put their differences aside and cooperated, get the magical prize.
But your solution would've killed off the innocent and totally uninvolved, as well. Hell, from what I can remember, it looks like Adama only made his volunteer announcement aboard the Galactica. There were literally thousands of people who were never given a choice.

[Robdixxo]

Helo needs to be Batman. He has the looks and the voice.

[Sawyer]

I'd be down for Tahmoh Penikett voicing Batman in something like Superman/Batman: Public Enemies or one of the solo movies Bruce Timm has planned. But as for live action... Christian Bale hasnt left the building yet.

[Robdixxo]

I'd be down for Tahmoh Penikett voicing Batman in something like Superman/Batman: Public Enemies or one of the solo movies Bruce Timm has planned. But as for live action... Christian Bale hasnt left the building yet.


If Tahmoh was known back then he'd be a better choice than Bale. He has the intensity, the build, the jawline, the voice... He's just naturally a better fit than Bale. Bale is missing the chin and the voice. Maybe when Bale leaves, Tahmoh can take his place.

[Manic]

Bale still has the role. No need to replace him yet. If somebody grows the balls to make a live action TV show with Batman in it, then by all means, hire Helo. God knows Birds of Prey could've used some Batman... amongst other things.

[Sawyer]

Bale still has the role. No need to replace him yet. If somebody grows the balls to make a live action TV show with Batman in it, then by all means, hire Helo. God knows Birds of Prey could've used some Batman... amongst other things.

I'd give my left nut to be leading the charge on a live action Batman series.

[Angry Sentinel]

again, like I said, loved the finale, but I think it would have felt more complete, if the last of the Human sinners got wiped out along with those cylon sinners, and only those humans and cylons who had put their differences aside and cooperated, get the magical prize.

But your solution would've killed off the innocent and totally uninvolved, as well. Hell, from what I can remember, it looks like Adama only made his volunteer announcement aboard the Galactica. There were literally thousands of people who were never given a choice.

Ooh, this is a great conversation. Please continue!!

[Superfreak]

I just browsed a bunch of preview clips from Caprica, and it looks far more interesting now.

[Darthkush]

Still rewatching season 1 and just watched "tigh me up, tigh me down" and something just hit me: Did Baltar know Ellen was a Cylon since this episode and just never told anybody? The end of the episode highly suggest this.

Also got my BSG figures in the mail today and am quite pleased. Geekasm!

[Sawyer]

Still rewatching season 1 and just watched "tigh me up, tigh me down" and something just hit me: Did Baltar know Ellen was a Cylon since this episode and just never told anybody? The end of the episode highly suggest this.

Also got my BSG figures in the mail today and am quite pleased. Geekasm!

I dont know... its possible, but looking back I just assumed that the final five couldnt be detected by his machine like the other seven could be.

[Darthkush]

I dont know... its possible, but looking back I just assumed that the final five couldnt be detected by his machine like the other seven could be.

Yeah, it gets weirder the more I think about it. For example, how many crew members and civilians did Baltar actually test to be a cylon? We only know of an handful and then it seems that due to an combination of other events happening(the election of Baltar to vice president, ALL the events of Kobol's last gleaming, etc.) and the possibility that the writers just plum forgot about it, it doesn't seem like too many other people were testing.

The other theory I have with the Ellen/Baltar issue is that somewhere during the planning stages of the final/5th Cylon, Moore and company looked back at all the episodes and saw that they left an little hole open for Ellen to possibly be a Cylon back in season 1. I know when I first saw the episode introducing her several months ago, I thought she was an Cylon or some kind of enemy agent...until Tigh killed her on New Caprica only to see that my suspicions(in an way) were right all along.

[Sawyer]

Well, if I remember right, each persons test took about 11 hours each, so I figured Gaius did a few, got bored and just finally said "frak this ****" and went off to bang Starbuck.

[BlackLantern]

Well, if I remember right, each persons test took about 11 hours each, so I figured Gaius did a few, got bored and just finally said "frak this ****" and went off to bang Starbuck.

didn't he only shag her the once though?

[Sawyer]

didn't he only shag her the once though?

Yeah, and she was picturing Lee in her head.

[BlackLantern]

Yeah, and she was picturing Lee in her head.

like you don't....:oldrazz:

[Sawyer]

like you don't....:oldrazz:

Oh my God, I was legitimately considering adding "but to be fair, who doesnt picture Lee when they're having sex? Am I right?" at the end, but I just didnt. :oldrazz:

[blksuperman2]

I always figured that Baltar knew that Ellen was a cyclon and didn't feel the need to out her. Exposing her might have jeopadized his life which is the only reason he didn't reveal Boomer as being a Cyclon.

[Manic]

You'd have to wonder why he never told D'Anna, though.

[Hush]

I just watched the 3 hour epic of a Show Starter, and im ****ing hooked! Im refering of course to the awesome Mini-series that started this awesomness in the first place.

[blksuperman2]

The new show air'd tonight?

[Darthkush]

You'd have to wonder why he never told D'Anna, though.


Yeah, I wondered that myself and it lends more credence to the idea of Moore and company going back and realizing it would be very easy to make Ellen a Cylon.

You know, even though Starbuck pictured Lee when she shagged Baltar, I have to say the setup for their sex was pretty good. During season 1, there are several episodes were Starbuck appears to be interested in Baltar as at least an friend. She's friendly to him, moreso than anybody else(except for Gaeta who I actually thought was into Baltar for the first 2 seasons up until we got right past the New Caprica arc in early season 3). It's not crazy that she wound up sleeping with him. It's only weird when you look at how little interaction the two had AFTER they slept together.

[Manic]

Maybe the sex wasn't up to Starbuck's standards.

[Superfreak]

Maybe the sex wasn't up to Starbuck's standards.

what about Baltar's standards?

[Manic]

He was getting it on the regular from an angel.

[Pink Ranger]

what about Baltar's standards?

What standards? As far as I can tell, all he needs is a biped with some form of consciousness with non-male genitalia, and his checklist is full.

[Superfreak]

What standards? As far as I can tell, all he needs is a biped with some form of consciousness with non-male genitalia, and his checklist is full.

doesn't mean it doesn't have to be good. I picture Starbuck letting a serious fart rip during sex,,, Baltar is not down with that

[Superfreak]

finished Caprica this morning. And it is gooo oooooo oooood. Zero action of course, but the relationships and interactions among characters is superb. I'm quite excited to see where this goes now. I was a little hesintant at first, but Josef Adama is just great in the role, and screams of JEO.

Zoe, the first cylon is ok... although I must say, that I find her 'human form' to be annoying, not to mention unattractive (not just physically). I don't know what it is, but I hate Zoe. But now that she's a robot... things should be quite interesting.

I'm also likeing the racial undertone of the premier

although I'm not as pumped for this as I was for BSG after '33' aired, Caprica will certainly be a show to keep one's eye upon, because it could go the distance as its sequel has.

there's gonna have to be some good editing done though before this version can go on TV, as the first half of the movie is filled with orgies and murder. One can see why Baltar escaped his world for Caprica.

and lastly... one can see very early on, why the cylons want to be human, and why skinjobs were of such importance that there creation could end the first Cylon war. Moreover, it's also interesting to see that the 1 God ideology was actually a human ideology, a persecuted one, that the cylons assume for themselves due Zoe. All very interesting: post 5000, I can now retire