The Battlestar Galactica and Caprica Discussion Thread

[Superfreak]

well, I think he's runnin' around with a machine gun tonight, so it may not be far off.

but there are a lot of things: When will Starbuck jump back into a viper?
Is Cat still CAG?
Has Helo been promoted to Captain, since he was 2nd in Command of Galactica during the rescue, and the guy running the Dradis (a captain, we know this from the MS and he made a couple of short appearances during the first and 2nd seasons) was taking orders from Helo, so is Helo a captain?

[wellsy]

I'd say Helo would probably be a Major or something like that.

And I think they said that Cat would stay as CAG (since shes had more time in a viper and has been considered the ace of the wing since "Scar"). But bucky may jump back into a viper, if only to get off Galactica :hyper:

[KenK]

How long has it been since the New Caprica rescue?!?!? Lee's already got his six-pack back?!?!?

[Darthphere]

Sexy. I wish I had that six pack. :(


Good epi, looks like a killer one for the CYlons......:dry:

Either way, Adama pwned Tigh and Starbuck.

[Cap1970]

"You gonna push me outta my chair?"

Great episode. Adama is the man.

[Evelisse]

So, any thoughts on what the deal is with the remaining 5 cylon models?

[chosen1]

so is tigh quiting?

[Superfreak]

That epi was a little on the boring side IMO, but it totally made up for it in so many ways.

What's with the last 5 cylons (I guess they also confirmed there, that raiders, heavy raiders, Centurians and Baseships are not included in the 12)?

Seeing the 'brain' of a baseship was very cool, and it also shows that the cylons need we puny humans for something after all. Can't make Hybrids without us.

Seeing how Cylons view the world is totally interesting.

Do you think the probe will tie in with the 'Adama caused the war' subplot that we are yet to experience? Because it seemed that Adama may have known about the pulsar (that scene with Gaeta, Rosalyn and Adama, after rewatching it, it seemed that he might have been covering something up, or he could just be learning quickly, who knows)

Baltar now seems a neutral character, neither a villain, nor hero. I think at the very end of the series, when ever that may be, it may infact be Baltar that saves the day.

Starbuck and Tigh (see, in this episode, they would have made a wonderful couple), suckas, I love the pussy out when they are confronted by a terrifying and angry mexican (maybe the most angry we have seen Adama since he beat the first Leoben to a pulp in the MS)

And I hope the Racetrack slaps Athena up side the head, and tell her to stop speaking in metaphor in the first 2 seconds of next weeks episode.

GAHHHH, Galactica cliffhangers really are what cliffhangers should be like, I hate them and love them for it.

Casey's Mom, is far too sexy to be a guest star.

And I'm just gonna end on the fact that Casey is probably the cutest todler I have ever seen on TV

[Darthphere]

The thing about the Adama comment is from an episode coming up where its a flashbackesque type thing and Adama seems to be tripping balls. Ill find some promo pics.

[KenK]

Casey's Mom, is far too sexy to be a guest star.

I know, right?!? Single moms on Galactica are all hot, for some reason.

And I'm just gonna end on the fact that Casey is probably the cutest todler I have ever seen on TV

"Kara, I wanna hug!" She is adorable.

[Pink Ranger]

I didn't quite get in all the Hybrid exposition. Is the Hybrid one of the 12 humanoid cylons, or something else?

[Superfreak]

I didn't quite get in all the Hybrid exposition. Is the Hybrid one of the 12 humanoid cylons, or something else?

I think the hybrid is what they were breeding in the Caprica baby farm. I think it's a hybrid of human of and cylon, created without love (like Hera). But that's just me. What else could a hybrid be?

I suppose we'll get better answers next week, when Galactica boards the BS, and takes captives. Maybe we'll get a little more explanation when that happens.

[Pink Ranger]

Still, I like the nod back to the original series, now that they've "introduced" the character of Athena into the series.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the hybrid is what they were breeding in the Caprica baby farm. I think it's a hybrid of human of and cylon, created without love (like Hera). But that's just me. What else could a hybrid be?

I suppose we'll get better answers next week, when Galactica boards the BS, and takes captives. Maybe we'll get a little more explanation when that happens.
The Hybrid was the crazy human-form Cylon who controlled the ship. I recognized the actress from some other shows.

[Apollo]

i just watched part of it for the first time yesturday and it was pretty good, it was the one where 2 soilders kill a guy for trying to have sex with a robot

[chosen1]

i just watched part of it for the first time yesturday and it was pretty good, it was the one where 2 soilders kill a guy for trying to have sex with a robot

Dude you havent seen anything yet. Do yourself a favor and watch it in order. Download the miniseries movie and season 1.

[Superfreak]

i just watched part of it for the first time yesturday and it was pretty good, it was the one where 2 soilders kill a guy for trying to have sex with a robot

chosen has a point, but you are also at a good entry point for the series. That's the first episode where pegasus arrives, and it opens up a whole new chapter of the series. The double cliffhanger, which you are in the middle of is awesome. Make it through the next 2, and you'll be hooked

[Superfreak]

The Hybrid was the crazy human-form Cylon who controlled the ship. I recognized the actress from some other shows.


yeah, that's what I was talking about. She obviously wasn't one of the 12 cylon human models, because it wasn't trisha rolling around naked in a tub of goo (they already did that :woot: ). And if it had been another model, then why all the mystery about the last 5 models?

so I was saying that the crazy hybrids that fly the Baseships, must be what was being bred in the Caprica baby farm. The half human, half cylon, 'engineered' hybrid as opposed to the naturally concieved hybrid, Hera. Otherwise they are something totally new, who's background should be defined in later episodes.

But if the Hybrid's are the result of cylon 'breeding farms', it could be interesting if Starbuck really did encounter a daughter or son, in the form of a Baseship.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ah, I see. I suppose we'll find out later, if it turns out all of the other Baseships have the same Hybrid model or if they've got different "people" controlling them.

On a related note, did anyone find the Hybrid kind of unsettling? It was really weird to see her have some kind of orgasm every time they jumped.

[Darthphere]

Yeah, id hit it.

[Superfreak]

on that note, gotta say that Katee Sackoff looks super sexy with short hair and the uniform (maybe it's me, maybe it's the uniform, but she looks tasty)

[War Lord]

How long has it been since the New Caprica rescue?!?!? Lee's already got his six-pack back?!?!?

He still had the underlying muscularity.

He just had to dump the 30 or 40 pounds that he gained.

Took me about 3 months to dump that much fat without doing anything.

[chosen1]

on that note, gotta say that Katee Sackoff looks super sexy with short hair and the uniform (maybe it's me, maybe it's the uniform, but she looks tasty)

Did you see her at the scream awards :wow: she looked better than tricia (on that night)


I was like.. OH LORD!:wow:

[Nightwing]

Very good episode.

[Galactica239]

Hey, Superfreak. :)

Do you have like a gif or something of your avatar? I don't need all of it, just when the ship is disappearing for that split second.

[Nightwing]

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/7461/galacticadroplb4sa1.gif (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://load.imageshack.us/)

[TheCorpulent1]

Hotness. That was the best effect I've seen in a TV series in a long, long time.

[Nightwing]

Hotness. That was the best effect I've seen in a TV series in a long, long time.
Yeah. The camera work, the split second disappear bit, and the CGI. Probably the best science fiction space battle visuals I've ever seen.

[Superfreak]

So, just watched the epi again, and was thinking (always a bad idea).

Cylons see the world around them by projecting outward, viewing the world as how they feel (any way, that's what I got from it). The 6 that is showing Baltar around (maybe she's caprica, maybe she's not, no one knows) see the world as a nice calm forest.

Does this projection change, with the mood of the cylon?(ie. 6 was in a calm serene forest, because she was relaxed and comfortable on her baseship, but if that model of 6 gets angry, does her projection of the world change aswell?)

So, how does Athena see the world? That's my question for the day. Athena seems to have been accepted by the crew now (rightly so, she and gaeta are the two pivotal heros of the rescue from the occupation). So is she skipping through a happy little gumdrop tree chocolate river forest? How does Athena view her world through projection?

[Lurk]

Interesting question. Maybe you can choose to view a different setting or the actual physical setting around you. Original Boomer didn't project, I'm guessing, or she would have known something was wrong, so it may have to be a conscious choice.

[Pink Ranger]

I would hate to see the world as a Conoy would see it. But I'm sure it would be cool though.

[Superfreak]

I would hate to see the world as a Conoy would see it. But I'm sure it would be cool though.

or a doral (guy seems pissed off all the time)

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm guessing Athena sees the world without projecting. As mentioned, she's accepted her circumstances and the vast majority of the Galactica crew has accepted her. In order for that to happen, I think she would've had to start regarding herself as more human and less Cylon. I'm guessing she reserves projecting for times when she wants to relax or remind herself that she's a Cylon.

Another interesting question: if Baltar is one of the last 5 models (which I doubt), that could mean that the Six in his head is his repressed Cylon nature--his Cylon id, I guess you could call it. That would explain why he seems to project every time she butts in. Those visions of beaches and his old house and all of the other scenes she conjures up seem more real than mere dreamscapes to him.

[Pink Ranger]

or a doral (guy seems pissed off all the time)

Doral seems more uptight and bureaucratic, so I'm not so curious what he sees the world as. Probably a setting like The Office.

Conoys, on the other hand, all seem to be crazy twisted motherf#$%ers, so I'm sure there's some twisted stuff going on there.

[TheCorpulent1]

All the Conoys want is some love. :(

[Substance D]

Helo is quickly becoming my favorite character.

[TheCorpulent1]

Really? He hasn't even done much of anything this season.

[Substance D]

Really? He hasn't even done much of anything this season.

He seems the most grounded. Everyone else is pretty much ****ed up from everything that's been going on. :yay: Oh well, once he finds out his kid is still alive, I'm sure he'll join the rest of the crew.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, no one's allowed to be a normal, well-balanced individual on BSG for too long.

[Substance D]

Is anyone else a little annoyed at the costume design in this show? Why are the Cylons wearing our latest fashions? Where do they get it? It feels kind of cheap to me.

[TheCorpulent1]

Doesn't bother me. We don't know how far in the future this is, but clothing doesn't really change that much. The same elements have come down through the ages--shirt, pants, shoes, jackets--and the humans' society on the colonies seemed to be much like our own. May as well fault them for having eerily similar military buildings or houses or design aesthetics for ships (the ever-popular phallus being chief among those aesthetics) or a thousand other things. Why should clothes be any different? Plus, we've all seen the sad, sad results of most attempts to design "futuristic" clothing on Star Trek, the original BSG, etc. Would you really prefer skintight unitards or weird coats with unnecessary buttons everywhere?

[Substance D]

Doesn't bother me. We don't know how far in the future this is, but clothing doesn't really change that much. The same elements have come down through the ages--shirt, pants, shoes, jackets--and the humans' society on the colonies seemed to be much like our own. May as well fault them for having eerily similar military buildings or houses or design aesthetics for ships (the ever-popular phallus being chief among those aesthetics) or a thousand other things. Why should clothes be any different? Plus, we've all seen the sad, sad results of most attempts to design "futuristic" clothing on Star Trek, the original BSG, etc. Would you really prefer skintight unitards or weird coats with unnecessary buttons everywhere?

No, not that drastic. I mean, the similarities between BSG's universe and ours bothered me at first. I felt it was because of budget restraints and poor design, but I've come to accept it. I just don't understand why the Cylons walk around in human clothing, even in their own ships. Do they have clothing factories on board or what? I think it would look better and make more sense if they wore uniforms... It just feels kind of cheap that the destroyers of humanity are just normal looking people in armani.

But in the end, I think it's all because of budget restraints, and I can understand that. Even if it's supposed to resemble our modern day Earth, with a bigger budget they would probably have designers working on similiar, yet different looking clothing. Star Trek First Contact, Minority Report and I, Robot are good examples of how fashion would evolve, while still looking fashionable to the audience.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think it's budget restraints, myself. BSG's probably got a bigger budget than the Stargate series, given how much higher its ratings usually are (or were, before they split up Sci Fi Fridays), and the Stargates got custom uniforms for everyone. I think it's just meant to emphasize the idea of the Cylons as children of humanity. They were created by humans, so when they decided to mimic humans with their new models, they mimicked them all the way, clothes and all. Plus, they would've needed to mimic their clothing to infiltrate the humans' society at first, so maybe they just got comfortable wearing clothes. It'd seem stranger to me if the Cylons decided they needed uniforms on their ships, actually. The uniforms wouldn't serve any practical purpose, so they'd basically just be manufacturing them for the sake of manufacturing them.

[Substance D]

I don't think it's budget restraints, myself. BSG's probably got a bigger budget than the Stargate series, given how much higher its ratings usually are (or were, before they split up Sci Fi Fridays), and the Stargates got custom uniforms for everyone. I think it's just meant to emphasize the idea of the Cylons as children of humanity. They were created by humans, so when they decided to mimic humans with their new models, they mimicked them all the way, clothes and all. Plus, they would've needed to mimic their clothing to infiltrate the humans' society at first, so maybe they just got comfortable wearing clothes. It'd seem stranger to me if the Cylons decided they needed uniforms on their ships, actually. The uniforms wouldn't serve any practical purpose, so they'd basically just be manufacturing them for the sake of manufacturing them.

Yeah, I've gotten used to it. But I still can't help wondering how they get their clothes. Do they have a fashion designer or do they just use clothes left behind by the humans? I know, it's rather pointless to think about but it still bugs me. :)

I'm betting they use alot of their budget on SFX though, which would hamper the other departments such as costume and sets.

[Jack Phantom]

...We don't know how far in the future this is...


Actually, if they are following the basic premise of Larson's original (which thus far they have and even credit Larson on screen) then the action is taking place contemporary with our present. Earth was populated by their "13th Colony" and developed differently technologically...but supposedly their names and Gods transpose to Ancient Greece/Early Egypt as populated by that "13th Colony" on the show. Personally, I wonder if the difference in technological development won't be explained later as being because the "13th Colonists" decided to destroy their technology and/or weapons when they reached Earth to prevent some sort of Cylon uprising here... just a theory.

[War Lord]

Actually, if they are following the basic premise of Larson's original (which thus far they have and even credit Larson on screen) then the action is taking place contemporary with our present. Earth was populated by their "13th Colony" and developed differently technologically...but supposedly their names and Gods transpose to Ancient Greece/Early Egypt as populated by that "13th Colony" on the show. Personally, I wonder if the difference in technological development won't be explained later as being because the "13th Colonists" decided to destroy their technology and/or weapons when they reached Earth to prevent some sort of Cylon uprising here... just a theory.

The lack of comparable technology could be explained in many ways: world wars, ecological disasters, theology, and others.

[War Lord]

So, is Baltar a cylon?

[Superfreak]

Yeah, I've gotten used to it. But I still can't help wondering how they get their clothes. Do they have a fashion designer or do they just use clothes left behind by the humans? I know, it's rather pointless to think about but it still bugs me. :)

I'm betting they use alot of their budget on SFX though, which would hamper the other departments such as costume and sets.

I seem to remember reading spoilers somewhere, that cylons get naked all the time. I remember seeing a nude Grace Park last episode. The spoilers I read said that cylons go nude most of the time. And that Baltar, always trying to learn more about them, begins to go naked aswell. Remember when Boomer and Racetrack infiltrated the Baseship at the end of season 1, all the copies were nude. So it could be a relatively safe assumption that the Cylons on the current baseship of interest, are wearing clothes to make Baltar comfortable (maybe)



So it's safe to assume that the cylons wear clothes to fit in on New Caprica. Other Cylons we have run into have otherwise been spies, and infiltrators, making clothes a necessity for blending in. Otherwise, they go as god intended them to (that's a pun)

As for the clothing being contemporary to our current time. I agree with what was said before. Designing 'future' clothing never turns out quite right. I actually prefer that it is near contemporary in design. It makes it feel like our near future. In the same way that Alien and Aliens was the near future.




however, all the above does not explain why the cylons on the infected base ship were wearing clothing. Have they abandoned the nude cylon theme?

[War Lord]

I seem to remember reading spoilers somewhere, that cylons get naked all the time. I remember seeing a nude Grace Park last episode. The spoilers I read said that cylons go nude most of the time. And that Baltar, always trying to learn more about them, begins to go naked aswell. Remember when Boomer and Racetrack infiltrated the Baseship at the end of season 1, all the copies were nude. So it could be a relatively safe assumption that the Cylons on the current baseship of interest, are wearing clothes to make Baltar comfortable (maybe)



So it's safe to assume that the cylons wear clothes to fit in on New Caprica. Other Cylons we have run into have otherwise been spies, and infiltrators, making clothes a necessity for blending in. Otherwise, they go as god intended them to (that's a pun)

As for the clothing being contemporary to our current time. I agree with what was said before. Designing 'future' clothing never turns out quite right. I actually prefer that it is near contemporary in design. It makes it feel like our near future. In the same way that Alien and Aliens was the near future.




however, all the above does not explain why the cylons on the infected base ship were wearing clothing. Have they abandoned the nude cylon theme?

Cylons wearing clothing can easily be explained by the fact that cylons are seeking to become more human in all ways.

[Superfreak]

The lack of comparable technology could be explained in many ways: world wars, ecological disasters, theology, and others.

yeah, or the 700 year gap of technological advancement in our own history called the DARK AGES

[Superfreak]

So, is Baltar a cylon?


NO, I've written this so many times, but to make Baltar a cylon, would literally destroy the whole purpose of his character. He is everything that is wrong with humanity. To make him cylon, washes humanity of the imperfection that Baltar brings to it. Narratively speaking, it's a stupid idea

[War Lord]

NO, I've written this so many times, but to make Baltar a cylon, would literally destroy the whole purpose of his character. He is everything that is wrong with humanity. To make him cylon, washes humanity of the imperfection that Baltar brings to it. Narratively speaking, it's a stupid idea

I was referring to the last episode where he wondered why he projected.

[LadyVader]

Helo is quickly becoming my favorite character.

Not to dump on your favourite character or anything, Lord knows some of my favourite characters seem to be on people's death lists :), but I was just thinking today how the overall blandness of the actor playing Helo pretty much killed any chance of the Helo / Bo..., oops, i mean Athena, relationship to be an interesting one. it had so much potential (cylon + human... oooh, the humanity) and it's one of the things I care least about. And I'm a devoted shipper. :) Constantly looking for new 'ships. Helo however has 0 charisma imo.

[Substance D]

Not to dump on your favourite character or anything, Lord knows some of my favourite characters seem to be on people's death lists :), but I was just thinking today how the overall blandness of the actor playing Helo pretty much killed any chance of the Helo / Bo..., oops, i mean Athena, relationship to be an interesting one. it had so much potential (cylon + human... oooh, the humanity) and it's one of the things I care least about. And I'm a devoted shipper. :) Constantly looking for new 'ships. Helo however has 0 charisma imo.

Oh, he pilot my Galactica any day. ;)

But seriously, to me he seems like the everyman of the show. That's what I like about him.

[LadyVader]

Oh, I think the Chief is the everyman on the show. He married a normal woman. Does a normal job. Has a normal kid. Is slightly overweight. Had a beard. Has a conscience. :)

[Substance D]

Oh, I think the Chief is the everyman on the show. He married a normal woman. Does a normal job. Has a normal kid. Is slightly overweight. Had a beard. Has a conscience. :)

Okay, maybe. Yeah, you're right. Helo has a fish out of water quality to him as well. I can relate to that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I think the Chief is the everyman on the show. He married a normal woman. Does a normal job. Has a normal kid. Is slightly overweight. Had a beard. Has a conscience. :)
Tyrol is definitely the everyman. That's probably why he's my favorite character. :up:

[Pink Ranger]

... Helo however has 0 charisma imo.

Don't knock it, sometimes bland is good. It fills a role of a disciplined soldier on Galactica who doesn't get wasted or obese all the time. I've always likened Helo as the Wedge Antilles or Max Sterling of the Galactica crew.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Helo definitely struck me as the straight man. Not as much in the first season, when he was taking the decidedly unorthodox path of falling in love with a Cylon, but once he got back to Galactica I noticed it. He's the solid, sensible, reliable guy, much like Tyrol was for the insurgency on New Caprica. They're similar in a lot of ways, which I guess is why a Sharon fell in love with each of them.

[chosen1]

:oldrazz: Don't knock it, sometimes bland is good. It fills a role of a disciplined soldier on Galactica who doesn't get wasted or obese all the time. I've always likened Helo as the Wedge Antilles or Max Sterling of the Galactica crew.

Helo is the man. He survived all of those days on caprica. I like the reference to Max sterling :up:

[Superfreak]

chosen: totally on the max stirling, ironically, Helo is Max sterling (if you really look at it, he too married an alien enemy ace, and had a child, which was eventually used as a weapon)

Helo's cool, he's kind of bland right now, because we haven't seen him do anything in a long time. But as far as the series goes, it was only what, 6or7 episodes ago, late season 2, that he really shined (not long ago, as far as episodes are concerned). He had that crazy intense scene where he glared down at Adama, yet remained composed, while the Admiral told him about the plans for Hera. Then he stood in defiance with a weapon armed, when Athena was being taken to sick bay for an abortion.

It wasn't that long ago.

Anyhow, YOU KNOW that they are going to find out about Hera, and then Athena is gonna go cylon on them. And he's gonna be pissed too

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Athena'll find out. I'm a lot more curious about where Helo's loyalties will be after that, though.

[Pink Ranger]

:oldrazz:

Helo is the man. He survived all of those days on caprica. I like the reference to Max sterling :up:

Thank God somebody got it. I was afraid nobody would know what I was talking about, which would make me feel 100 years old.

[LadyVader]

Meh... to each his own. Gimme a brainiac over a soldier, any day. :)

[chosen1]

Don't knock it, sometimes bland is good. It fills a role of a disciplined soldier on Galactica who doesn't get wasted or obese all the time. I've always likened Helo as the Wedge Antilles or Max Sterling of the Galactica crew.

For some reason Starbuck reminds me of Dana Sterling.

[Superfreak]

Thank God somebody got it. I was afraid nobody would know what I was talking about, which would make me feel 100 years old.

yeah, me a Chosen had a huge debate earlier about the similarities b/w SDF1 Macross and BSG.

The last people of humanity.

Aliens that are human

Inter species relationship

the last bigass aircraft carrier in space

Everything BSG is an adaptation of SDF Macross, I've heard them a lot of time on the blogs refering to robotech/macross to explain a plot point, or define a character (eg. upcoming new character called BullDog was refered to as Guld from Plus)

It's the same subject matter, with the same setting, it's bound to have major similarities

[Superfreak]

For some reason Starbuck reminds me of Dana Sterling.

dude, don't be silly. Starbuck is more of a Fokker than Stirling

[Darthphere]

I feel geeky.

[LadyVader]

yeah, me a Chosen had a huge debate earlier about the similarities b/w SDF1 Macross and BSG.

The last people of humanity.

Aliens that are human

Inter species relationship

the last bigass aircraft carrier in space

Everything BSG is an adaptation of SDF Macross, I've heard them a lot of time on the blogs refering to robotech/macross to explain a plot point, or define a character (eg. upcoming new character called BullDog was refered to as Guld from Plus)

It's the same subject matter, with the same setting, it's bound to have major similarities

There are no more original ideas.

This is news?

:)

Galactica is a remake to begin with. The show never appealed to me because of it's originality, but rather because of the excellent dramatic performances from the main cast. With sci-fi you can very easily fall into cheesy teritory when trying to do something serious (that is why Stargate makes so much fun of itself I feel, better to be funny then cheesy). But Galactica makes it work.

[Darthphere]

Galactica will likely be moving to another night.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why? They ought to just pair it back up with Atlantis next season. I doubt it stands much of a chance on any other night, when the competition from the networks is so much steeper.

[Zenien]

Really they should just pair it up with Atlantis next season, it's better to do what works with the show instead of having it stand on its own against heavy competition from the other networks (thus lower ratings) just to have it stand on its own as some sort of statement or because it's crtically aclaimed. I'd rather have a well rated and funded BSG, a healthy BSG that can last to its full intended lifespan then one that suffers from lower and lower ratings and budget and then cacellation before its time.

THere's this big debate on the official Sci Fi boards that has be wanting to strangle half the people who are participating. It mainly deals with the elements of next episode though so spoilers. Mostly the people hardcore 'against it for moral reasons' group.

It centers around if the humans should use the virus against the cylons

http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2252743

http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2252933

Oh and Battlestars new time is apparent Wednesday at 8.

[Superfreak]

Really they should just pair it up with Atlantis next season, it's better to do what works with the show instead of having it stand on its own against heavy competition from the other networks (thus lower ratings) just to have it stand on its own as some sort of statement or because it's crtically aclaimed. I'd rather have a well rated and funded BSG, a healthy BSG that can last to its full intended lifespan then one that suffers from lower and lower ratings and budget and then cacellation before its time.

THere's this big debate on the official Sci Fi boards that has be wanting to strangle half the people who are participating. It mainly deals with the elements of next episode though so spoilers. Mostly the people hardcore 'against it for moral reasons' group.

It centers around if the humans should use the virus against the cylons

http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2252743

http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2252933

Oh and Battlestars new time is apparent Wednesday at 8.

Eye for an Eye, I say we let the cylons have it, they whiped out billions of humans, We should do the same (just save a few, say 50 000 just to be nice)


BSG vs. Lost, well, I guess BSG won't be around much longer. It's so much better than lost, but it lacks the fan base...can it compete, I think not. If it's wednesday, why would NBC put its two great shows to compete against each other? Does that make no sense to anyone else)

[Substance D]

Eye for an Eye, I say we let the cylons have it, they whiped out billions of humans, We should do the same (just save a few, say 50 000 just to be nice)


BSG vs. Lost, well, I guess BSG won't be around much longer. It's so much better than lost, but it lacks the fan base...can it compete, I think not. If it's wednesday, why would NBC put its two great shows to compete against each other? Does that make no sense to anyone else)

Lost comes on ABC. NBC should pair it with Heroes though. Heroes and Studio60 just doesn't make any sense.

[chosen1]

dude, don't be silly. Starbuck is more of a Fokker than Stirling

of course what was I thinking...

[TheCorpulent1]

Lost comes on ABC. NBC should pair it with Heroes though. Heroes and Studio60 just doesn't make any sense.
I wouldn't want to see NBC hijack it from Sci Fi. I know they're owned by the same parent company, but BSG, Stargate, and Eureka are basically the only things keeping Sci Fi treading water in the ratings department, and the former two have experienced major drops thanks to their separation as it is.

[Superfreak]

Lost comes on ABC. NBC should pair it with Heroes though. Heroes and Studio60 just doesn't make any sense.

my bad, had a bit of a brain fart there


Corp. I wasn't meaning hijack the show, I was talking about the conglomerate as a whole. it is they through Sci fi, that make these kind of decisions etc.

anyhow, it is still my opinion, that BSG is a sunday night winner.

[TheCorpulent1]

So you'd want them to have Heroes on NBC at 9 and BSG on Sci Fi at 10 on Monday nights? :confused:

[Superfreak]

So you'd want them to have Heroes on NBC at 9 and BSG on Sci Fi at 10 on Monday nights? :confused:

man, i have no idea what ur talkin about

[Darthphere]

Who know if it moves or not, but it seems likely from insider sources. The show is tanking pretty hard in the ratings and they want to keep it alive.

[Zenien]

Well we don't know if the ratings have levelled off with the past 3 episodes, only that they've been been shedding viewers with each episode up until Exodus Part 1. How much of that to you direct blame at Scifi for changing the time and putting it up on its own agains heavier competition, and how much do you direct the blame at Ronald Moore and the product itself?

In anycase the seperation of Stargate(s) and Battlestar have ahd disasterous consequences for both shows involved. If ratings keep dropping like they have been I don't know if we'll see a Season 5...

I don't doubt that Sci Fi had the best intentions for Battlestar, but Television is a very unforgiving environment, and if it ain't broke don't fix it...

[Darthphere]

I think it has a lot to do with new Caprica, a lot of fans didnt like it.

[Zenien]

Honestly, I was giddy as a schoolgirl to see Chief Tyrol back in the hanger bay of the Galactica and Kara back in a Viper (FINALLY) etc. I enjoyed the new Caprica story but I can honestly say I prefer the setting and tone of Season 1 Battlestar, and the closer they bring the characters back to the elements that made me love them in the first place the happier I'll be.

The Virus and Earth being introduced is awesome, and even though I really like showing less is more approach they took to the cylons in the first season, the stuff they've shown in the latest episode has been nothing short of awesome. Along with Dr Baltar finally seeming useful again. We understand that the man is absorbed in secumbing to his crippling character flaws but he's also supposedly a genius. He was all but ignored for the most part in Season 2 after being used so well in Season 1, so it's nice to see him doing something besides just tumbling deeper and deeper into self loathing (not to say that he can't do that at the same time :o).

Ramblings about Fat Lee and what they could have done though it's always easier said then done and all that: (no spoilers)

I'm gald Lee is Apollo again, and not 'fat Lee'. If the entire point of fat Lee was to help visually illustrate the changes over the year and their plans for him were to jump rope and get thin again, then the scenario was a bit needless for his character. Had they illustrated the personal conflicts that lead to him getting soft in a more concise manner besides one 1 minute scene it would have been better.

Have everything be the cause of him slipping, the situation with the cylons, the loss of the fleet, his marriage to Dee not working out, them just not being right for eachother or whatever, his whole Starbick fixation despite her treating him like crap. Keep him fat until changes are made in his life (Through his own initiave or otherwise). Once some of that baggage is lifted from him show him finally having the focus and the drive to get back into shape.

If you were to go a Dee/Apollo divorce (though him getting back into shape after he and Dee realized what they needed to do to fix their relationship would work fine as well) have whatever chick he's got next like him and be close to him even though he's still fat at th time (Starbuck would work and go a ways to helping to show the side of her character that isn't shallow or presentative).

I wouldn't have minded fat Lee all season if they were doing something with it and I feel that in making sucha change to the character they really did a diservice to his character by not giving it the depth and respect it deserves.

Anyway it's not that I dislike any change on Battlestar, but what brought me to the dance were the elements in the mini and Season 1.

I'm really enjoying Season 3 so far, but I can understand how less devoted casual watchers would lose interest with all the baggage that has happened and how different in tone New Caprica was. It's not just "Humans blow up Cylons" in Season 3, and new Caprica really made it much more complex then it will probably end up being for the rest of the season. Overwhelming Shades of Grey typically don't draw viewers with shows like this.

Mr ex-XO is at a very cool space in his development right now; not sure which way it will go.

[chosen1]

Where's the colonel?:csad:

[Superfreak]

Who cares? That episode was minty goodness. It felt like the opening episode in a whole new chapter of the story. I can't wait to see where it goes.

There, see, Helo is cool. Can't wait to see what happens when they discover Hera is still kicking about.

my only beef, was that the conclusion was a little convenient.

Anyone one notice that Starbuck was in a Mk. II viper when they were getting ready to launch, and a Mk. VII when they were out in space?

[Darthphere]

Helo isnt cool, hes pussy whipped.

[chosen1]

Helo isnt cool, hes pussy whipped.


OH!

"Cocaines a hell of drug." -- Rick james

[Zenien]

I'll be watching it tonight, Helo has gone and done somehting stupid for a stupid reason hasn't he. :(

[Superfreak]

Helo isnt cool, hes pussy whipped.

grace is a hottie

[chosen1]

Racetrack is Officially HOT!

[Superfreak]

Racetrack is Officially HOT!


yeah, it's too bad her line delivery is weak

[Pink Ranger]

So if I interpreted the trailer for next week correctly, we'll be meeting one of the "other 5" Cylons. I wonder if they'll be better or even more evil than the main 7.

[Superfreak]

we get dixon from alias next week too, I've been very excited about next week's flashback episode

[Superfreak]

Here's another question for all those cylons out there:

When Adama reunited the fleet in Home Part II, and he had his first encounter with Athena. When he grabbed by the throat and forced her to the ground, she said: 'And you wonder why!'

Now this question was first posed by Adama, when he was viewing Boomer's dead body in the morgue, after recovering from the multiple gunshot wounds she inflicted upon him. He asked her dead body 'why?'.

And in return, it was Athena who shot the question back at him.


So my question is this: do the dead bodies of cylons still transmit the things going on around them? By this I mean they are dead, but the hardware, their bodies remain. Do their bodies, or their senses continue to operate, even after death? Allowing other cylons to access this information?

b/c I can see no explanation for how Athena knew throw the question in his face, a question he asked Boomer after her death.

[chosen1]

Here's another question for all those cylons out there:

When Adama reunited the fleet in Home Part II, and he had his first encounter with Athena. When he grabbed by the throat and forced her to the ground, she said: 'And you wonder why!'

Now this question was first posed by Adama, when he was viewing Boomer's dead body in the morgue, after recovering from the multiple gunshot wounds she inflicted upon him. He asked her dead body 'why?'.

And in return, it was Athena who shot the question back at him.


So my question is this: do the dead bodies of cylons still transmit the things going on around them? By this I mean they are dead, but the hardware, their bodies remain. Do their bodies, or their senses continue to operate, even after death? Allowing other cylons to access this information?

b/c I can see no explanation for how Athena knew throw the question in his face, a question he asked Boomer after her death.

No. The question Why if you watch Ressurection Ship Pt II was referring to Adamas speech that is said to have triggered the cylons hatred.

" ... You said that humanity never asked itself WHY it deserved to survive... maybe you dont." -- Athena. Battlestar Galactica 2x12 Ressurection Ship Part 2

[Superfreak]

nice, good one. we need more galactica brain teasers

Anyhow, I hope that bulldog isn't a cylon, as the episode preview makes him look like a cylon, but the 2 minute preview circulating on Youtube, makes it look like he isn't.

From what I've read, it seems like he'll be a pilot that Adama abandoned pre armageddon, and that him and Adama will have a seriously rocky relationship. So the question is: is he a cylon? if not, then he must have been captured. Why did the cylons keep him alive? How did he escape?

He's gotta be atleast as badass as starbuck, seeing that he too chopped a raider's brain out, and managed to fly it away, and escape the cylons (if he did escape).

[Wes Janson 24]

nice!

[Superfreak]

just been readin some spoilers, so don't read this if you're not into that:





Looks like Hera is gonna be rescued at some point in the next 3 or 4 episdoes.


Episode 8: Unfinished Business; December 1, 2006
11/7/06: Adama organizes a fighting tournament which turns into a method for grudges and old scores to be settled, including between Lee and Kara. [This explains how the flashbacks are framed in the episode. The episode is either going to be really good or fall flat if the fight matches don't click with the flashbacks.]
10/15/06: The present time storyline involves Fight Club-style boxing. [Bleh]
10/7/06: Baltar flashes back to a groundbreaking for a new City Hall on New Caprica with Gaeta by his side. [Um, I hope there is more to this scene other than filler.]
10/7/06: The cause of the deep rift between Lee and Kara (seen in Episode 220) will be revealed.
9/27/06: Preliminary Episode Synopsis: Flashbacks partially fill the year long gap from Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II.
9/6/06: Episode title added.

Episode 9: The Passage; December 8, 2006
10/21/06: The fleet's food supply becomes contaminated, which necessitates the immediate need to find a planet. A less than ideal planet is found, but reaching it proves difficult. [The planet has been referred to as Algae, but...]
10/21/06: Caprica Three questions her faith and becomes a heretic.
10/3/06: A couple of characters die. [More of the expendable pilots is my guess.]
10/3/06: Kat is featured in the episode.
10/3/06: Preliminary Episode Description: The fleet makes a "harrowing" passage on their voyage. [The premise sounds like the plot of an original series episode.]
7/13/06: Episode title added.

Episode 10: The Eye of Jupiter; December 15, 2006
11/6/06: Tyrol finds the temple while surveying the planet. The temple is supposed to house the Eye of Jupiter, a clue to finding Earth. He sends a report back to Galactica. The Cylons intercept it and want a meeting with Adama and Roslin. They want the Eye in exchange for safe passage for the fleet. Adama says he'll nuke the planet if they try to take the eye. The Cylons also inform Helo and Athena that Hera is not well. Along with Adama, Helo and Athena plan a rescue attempt. Meanwhile, Caprica Three feels a "special bond" with Balatar and a growing belief that her destiny may not include the rest of the Cylons. [There's also supposedly some relationship stuff involving Lee and Kara and its affect on Anders and Dee. Bleh]
10/21/06: The stranded survey party finds an abandoned temple that seems to have a clue to the location of Earth. [Hope they explain how a temple with such an important bit of information ends up on a desolate and hard-to-reach planet.]
10/7/06: Anders appears, but don't know if it's only in flashback.
10/3/06: The fleet (Galactica) faces three basestars.
9/27/06: Preliminary Episode Synopsis: With supplies dwindling, Apollo, Cally and Tyrol survey a desolate planet. They are stranded when the Cylons attack the fleet.
9/6/06: Cliffhanger for mid-season hiatus
9/6/06: Episode title added.

Episode 11: Rapture; Spring 2007
10/21/06: Sharon and Helo get Hera back from the Cylons, possibly with Adama's direct help. [Either in an active or passive way, Adama would likely have to give his support to their plan because of his control of military assets.]
10/12/06: Baltar returns to the fleet, which sets up one of the storylines for the next episode, 312.
10/7/06: Hera is prominant to the episode.
9/27/06: Preliminary Episode Synopsis: Another clue in the search for Earth. Number Three openly declares herself the Cylon God, which leads to the termination of the entire Three series by the rest of the Cylons. [Guess that's one way to take care of Lucy Lawless being unavailable/unwilling to make subsequent appearances.]
9/6/06: Conclusion to mid-season cliffhanger
9/6/06: Episode title added.

[Zenien]

Helo was absolutely retarded in the last episode, as was any none Baltar part of the story. :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[LadyVader]

I don't think he was retarded! For once I was actually rootin' for the guy. He did what he thought was right, and I just hope he's ready for the responsability of having all the cylon caused deaths that will follow on his head.

What bothered me was that Lee seemed a bit gun ho about executing the infected cylon, and Starbuck had very little screen time this episode. I enjoyed the Baltar storyline. These people have a very sick imagination. :)

[Superfreak]

I don't think he was retarded! For once I was actually rootin' for the guy. He did what he thought was right, and I just hope he's ready for the responsability of having all the cylon caused deaths that will follow on his head.

What bothered me was that Lee seemed a bit gun ho about executing the infected cylon, and Starbuck had very little screen time this episode. I enjoyed the Baltar storyline. These people have a very sick imagination. :)

did anyone connect the fact that Baltar is leading the Cylons to earth, with Helo's reaction to hearing that news? Helo is a very confusing character. Everything he does is 'the right thing'. He is a morally strong character. But tie the above question in with the fact that he is responsible for Baltar escaping Caprica in the first place.

He's a super interesting character from that point of view. He only does the right thing, but it turns out that doing the right thing leads to helping the cylons, more often than not. Strange.






now on to some speculation for this week's episode.


1) Adama some how caused the war with the cylons
2) Adama was ordered on a secret mission 3 years before the current timeline of the story. Meaning that about a year before the beginning of the series, he was ordered on this secret mission.
3)Bulldog was abandoned on this secret mission 3 years ago, and has now escaped his cylon captivity and found the fleet.


so, a) What was this secret mission? And did it start the war? And if so, what was done on this mission must have been pretty bad to cause a genocide in the 12 Colonies.

b) from what was seen in the previews, both the episode trailer, and the 2 minute clip on youtube, Adama seems pretty large and in charge (in the flashbacks). But if this secret mission mumbo jumbo happened a short time before (a year or so) the events of the mini series, could it have been a motivational factor leading to Adama's retirement?

c)if the result of this secret mission, under the command of Adama, was the total destruction of the 12 Colonies, did the cylons leave Adama alive? Are they punishing him for something? Or are they 'teaching' him the wrong of his ways?


go, debate discuss

[Darthphere]

I thought Lee finally stepped up and brought out the brass balls. Youre not going to win a war with a self replicating race. You have to utterly annihilate them.

[Superfreak]

I thought Lee finally stepped up and brought out the brass balls. Youre not going to win a war with a self replicating race. You have to utterly annihilate them.

Apollo confuses me sometimes. He was the golden boy, kind of like Helo, always do the right thing, but I think his time as Pegasus commander (none of which we really saw) has taken away his liberal tendancies, and turned him into a conservative wank.

[Darthphere]

Nah, I just think that he figured out that whether he liked it or not, hes someone people look to for leadership. And someone has to be there to hand Starbuck her ass for everytime she fraks up. Adama isnt going to do it anymore after pretty much disowning her.

[Darthphere]

Delicious spoiler pics.

http://www.battlestar-galactica.fr/forums/viewtopic.php?id=733

[Marc]

Yeah, gotta say the last episode totally put me off Helo. Betrayed his race and endangered his crew. If the human race were to end now because of it, it would have been his decision. He was a total idiot.

He should be executed for that, if he didn't like what was happening then he can choose to resign from the military but he chose to counter his own government.

Lee was completely right, the Cylons wiped out the human colonies, they ignored repeated surrenders and they avoided peace at all times. There is no way the Cylons can be considered for rational diplomacy, and when an entire race is a combatant and not open to negotiation... there isn't a choice. I thought however that the black doctor cylon shouldn't have been executed anyway, as a promise was made to him.

[LadyVader]

I hope this isn't the end of the virus storyline. It's too big of a plot point to terminate after just two episodes.
Now, while I didn't want the Galactica people to go that far and commit suicide, I do feel that Helo being the one to stop that from happening came a little out of the blue. Likewise with Athena not protesting at least one bit to the whole thing. Now I knoe she pledged her loyality to the humans, but shouldn't they be worthy of that loyalty?

[Darthphere]

They havent thrown her out an airlock, is that not enough? :D

[Superfreak]

They havent thrown her out an airlock, is that not enough? :D

dude, Athena is the reason they're all alive, not only this season, but almost from the very beginning. She showed them the way to the temple and found earth. Not to mention the gzillion or so times she saved them all since then. I remember off hand a virus killing a fleet of raiders, the rescue off of caprica, the rescue off of new caprica. The idea boils down to: you can't hate a cylon, merely for being a cylon. Anyhow, she's probably the single most important character in the whole series.

[chosen1]

C'mon did Adama actually think he could retire? LOL

Was it just me or did Valkerie look horrible.

[Superfreak]

very cool episode, my fave so far.

[marcvader]

Another excellent episode...

[Pink Ranger]

Observation #1: Baltar is now officially a total pimp.

Observation #2: I believe Bill Adama uttered the first real cuss word in BSG. "Frack" doesn't count. Thus officially ending NBC's interest in bringing the show to broadcast TV, I hope.


Observation #3: I'm glad they kept Bulldog. Most SF shows would predictably kill him off within the hour. Galactica needs a tough, roughneck macho pilot now that Helo basically has a desk job now.

[Darthphere]

Awesome episode.

[JLBats]

Does anybody find it amazing that the show is maintaining this level of quality in season 3?

[LadyVader]

Nope. But I do find it reassuring. :)

What I liked most about the episode is how Adama went to talk to his son about what had happened. Not the president, not Starbuck who maybe would've understood. To Lee. It shows how fundamentally different their relationship is now, compared to the miniseries, and even to the end of season 1.

Eh, I'm a sucker for these father/son stories. :)

[Darthphere]

Yeah I liked that too.

[LadyVader]

You like Showgirls. :o








































:oldrazz:

[Darthphere]

No, I referenced it.

[LadyVader]

Which means you've seen it enough times to memorize scenes from it. Either way. You are tainted. :D

[Superfreak]

Nope. But I do find it reassuring. :)

What I liked most about the episode is how Adama went to talk to his son about what had happened. Not the president, not Starbuck who maybe would've understood. To Lee. It shows how fundamentally different their relationship is now, compared to the miniseries, and even to the end of season 1.

Eh, I'm a sucker for these father/son stories. :)

I think that fundamental difference is different though. As second in command of the entire fleet military, Lee would have to be told what's going on, especially since Adama senior was considering resigning. Their rank really made the discussion necessary. However, Apollo and Adama made up a long time ago, after Lee dealt with the Blackmarket. They're all buddy buddy again.


But that whole scene was fantastically edited. Cutting between Tigh telling Bulldog the truth, and Adama telling Apollo the truth, and the flashbacks. It was really well put together. BSG seems to have these sequences every now and then that are amazingly well constructed scenes. This was one of them. Another was when Adama and Caine were barking at each other over the radio at the end of the Pegasus (the camera was constantly orbiting the characters, but both were on seperate ships, yet the cutting maintained the movement of the camera) Very cool



Loved Tigh this epi aswell. He's still a drunken mess, but he whipped Bulldogs ass, without taking a single hit, and he's missing an eye, which is so cool.

[Pink Ranger]

Loved Tigh this epi aswell. He's still a drunken mess, but he whipped Bulldogs ass, without taking a single hit, and he's missing an eye, which is so cool.

I have a theory about that. Whenever a heroic character loses an eye, the rest of his body becomes proportionately stronger. That's why One-Eye-Tigh is a lot more kickass than regular Drunk-Old-Man-Tigh.

This theory also explains why Snake Plissken is so strong.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

I have a theory about that. Whenever a heroic character loses an eye, the rest of his body becomes proportionately stronger. That's why One-Eye-Tigh is a lot more kickass than regular Drunk-Old-Man-Tigh.

This theory also explains why Snake Plissken is so strong.
and nick fury.

[Wyrminarrd]

I hope this isn't the end of the virus storyline. It's too big of a plot point to terminate after just two episodes.
Now, while I didn't want the Galactica people to go that far and commit suicide, I do feel that Helo being the one to stop that from happening came a little out of the blue. Likewise with Athena not protesting at least one bit to the whole thing. Now I knoe she pledged her loyality to the humans, but shouldn't they be worthy of that loyalty?

This is why I think the cylons need to be wiped out completely. Before Sharon fell for Helo she wouldn´t have hesitated to wipe out humanity. Now that she has decided to switch sides she wouldn´t hesitate to wipe out all cylons (except herself of course).

I think the cylons simply are deep down programmed to seek out and destroy their enemies. The only time this hasn´t been followed is when a couple of cylons started to feel that humans weren´t enemies and thus they couldn´t carry out their destruction.

As for the latest episode... I agree that Adama trying to resign was incredibly strange, the guy has saved the fleet time and again and is without doubt the single most important person in the fleet. Morale would plummet if he had gone through with it.

I wonder why the cylons bothered to keep Bulldog alive for three years... One would have thought that they would grow bored with him quickly and kill him once they had gotten everything he knows out of him.

[LadyVader]

To be honest, I thought it was rather stupid that they would just let him go, assuming that he would kill Adama. Also, this is the second time when the cylons have attempted to kill the old man. They seem a little too fixated on him. Sure, if he would die the humans would receive a major blow, but as evidenced on New Caprica, the absence of William Adama is not enough to completely cripple humanity.
The chief is who they need to get, dangit! :) No more chief. No more fixing the vipers... :D

[Speedball]

Ummmm...wtf!!!
Battlestar Moves To Sundays

SCI FI Channel's award-winning series Battlestar Galactica will move to a new timeslot starting Jan. 21, 2007: Sundays at 10 p.m. ET/PT, following the premiere of the new original series The Dresden Files at 9 p.m.

Battlestar Galactica has been airing episodes of its current third season on Fridays at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

The current season picks up the story of the ragtag fleet of human survivors as they flee the Cylon menace. Executive-produced by Ronald D. Moore and David Eick, the series stars Edward James Olmos, Mary McDonnell, Jamie Bamber, Katee Sackhoff, James Callis, Tricia Helfer and Grace Park. —Patrick Lee, News Editor
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=38969

[Superfreak]

Ummmm...wtf!!!
Battlestar Moves To Sundays

SCI FI Channel's award-winning series Battlestar Galactica will move to a new timeslot starting Jan. 21, 2007: Sundays at 10 p.m. ET/PT, following the premiere of the new original series The Dresden Files at 9 p.m.

Battlestar Galactica has been airing episodes of its current third season on Fridays at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

The current season picks up the story of the ragtag fleet of human survivors as they flee the Cylon menace. Executive-produced by Ronald D. Moore and David Eick, the series stars Edward James Olmos, Mary McDonnell, Jamie Bamber, Katee Sackhoff, James Callis, Tricia Helfer and Grace Park. —Patrick Lee, News Editor
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=38969


Told you guys, BSG is definately a Sunday night winner. However, I disagree with the 10pm slot. I mean that's LATE. Some of us have to work in order to pay for school. I demand 9pm sunday nights!!!

[Darthphere]

Excellent, it shouldve been a Sunday show in the first place IMO, ratings should go up hopefully. I agree though, 9 Pm would be better.

[Speedball]

Told you guys, BSG is definately a Sunday night winner. However, I disagree with the 10pm slot. I mean that's LATE. Some of us have to work in order to pay for school. I demand 9pm sunday nights!!!
ohh...I liked it at friday. It was nice way to close a week. Guess it'll have to open up my week now. I didn't even think about Sundays and how there is nothing on. My guess is they put it at 9 p.m. cause Family Guy and Desperate Housewives is on at this time.

[Darthphere]

ohh...I liked it at friday. It was nice way to close a week. Guess it'll have to open up my week now. I didn't even think about Sundays and how there is nothing on. My guess is they put it at 9 p.m. cause Family Guy and Desperate Housewives is on at this time.


Just think of it as a nice opening for your week now.:yay:

[LadyVader]

Well I used to get it by sunday anyway. Now I'll just have something extra to do on tuesdays. :)

[Zenien]

THe latest episode with Crashdown was probably my favorite episode of the Season. I hope they keep up this quality moving forward, there were just so many good character moments it was insane.

Another was when Adama and Caine were barking at each other over the radio at the end of the Pegasus (the camera was constantly orbiting the characters, but both were on seperate ships, yet the cutting maintained the movement of the camera) Very cool


Another one imo was when Adama and Caine were plotting one anothers death at the same time prior to the battle. The editing and acting made it flow as one amazing peice where each cut only built the tension and sustained the flow from the other; sure Adama and Caine were effectively taking turns speaking the same speech, but it was done incredibly well.

[Speedball]

I thought Crashdown died last season...Shot by Baltar on Kobel because Crashdown went crazy and was gonna kill Cally for not following orders.

[Zenien]

Sorry I meant Bulldog. :O

[Darthphere]

Check your On Demand cable services for a new clip.

[Angry Sentinel]

I hope this isn't the end of the virus storyline. It's too big of a plot point to terminate after just two episodes.
Now, while I didn't want the Galactica people to go that far and commit suicide, I do feel that Helo being the one to stop that from happening came a little out of the blue. Likewise with Athena not protesting at least one bit to the whole thing. Now I knoe she pledged her loyality to the humans, but shouldn't they be worthy of that loyalty? Totally agree, some of these character's flaws are so wide and confusing at times that you could spend an hour pondering their motives.

I know that this was probably already discussed in this thread but I am really curious about what is going to happen when Athena finds out about her child and how she's been lied to. And more importantly WHY has this lie been continued. I know they believe the child to be dead, but Adama trusted ther enough to make her an officer and send her on THE MOST VITAL of missions, but not tell her about her child...stupid and wrong!

[Zenien]

Athena realizes the reality of the situation they are in unlike Helo.

The child is a tricky situation because it's not clear if Adama KNOWS about the child being alive. He was never told onscreen and it was never obvious in any dialogue that they had told him. The people who were against using the virus who seem to be forgetting that humanity is on the verge of extinction faced with an enemy that is very capable of killing what's left of them and commited genocide on a scale never seen before in known history. All bets are off, and rightly so, given the circumstances.

'They tried to live with us on new Caprica'.

It was blatantly clear that most of the cylons just said 'ok we'll give this a try but that doesn't mean we suddenly have any compassion for the humans what so ever or that we will be even handed in our attempts and being benelovent, in fact we'll take entertainment in their suffering a little whilst we attempt to grind them under our boot and subjigate waht's left of their race'. Aside from two of the models anyway.

Yes there was a place for the discussion of morality in realation to the virus but the decision shouldn't be a hard one to make, any real indecision over the use of the virus (more so then we had) would have been unrealistic. This is a winner takes all war between the two races, not a border dispute.

[Angry Sentinel]

Athena realizes the reality of the situation they are in unlike Helo.

The child is a tricky situation because it's not clear if Adama KNOWS about the child being alive. He was never told onscreen and it was never obvious in any dialogue that they had told him. The people who were against using the virus who seem to be forgetting that humanity is on the verge of extinction faced with an enemy that is very capable of killing what's left of them and commited genocide on a scale never seen before in known history. All bets are off, and rightly so, given the circumstances
I agree that Athena seems to comprehend the situation on a much deeper level than most of the human cast... just like I suspect, Adama's character appears to be coming to that same level. I never really reviewed the episodes to ascertain if or what Adama knows. But I was under the impression that the decision was made by he and the President, even though I don't think it was directly shown. I will have to research this further.

I'm not sure how much I agree with the last part of you statement about all bets being off. It seems to me that there is a huge consideration that is needed when discussing any form of murder much less genocide. At what point do you stop being the defender and become a Monster? Seems to me that the fact that the Cylons ARE capable of wiping out the race totally, and yet have seemingly chosen not to, would be the biggest reason why there should be hesitation in return.


'They tried to live with us on new Caprica'.

It was blatantly clear that most of the cylons just said 'ok we'll give this a try but that doesn't mean we suddenly have any compassion for the humans what so ever or that we will be even handed in our attempts and being benelovent, in fact we'll take entertainment in their suffering a little whilst we attempt to grind them under our boot and subjigate waht's left of their race'. Aside from two of the models anyway. Yes there was a place for the discussion of morality in realation to the virus but the decision shouldn't be a hard one to make, any real indecision over the use of the virus (more so then we had) would have been unrealistic. This is a winner takes all war between the two races, not a border dispute.
Biggest thing I agree with here is the fact that realism dictates that there definitely would NOT be much of a discussion. Given the current state of mind on the human side and the several different situations (including internment) they have been through, I doubt the discussion would've lasted as long as BSG showed it to. But isn't it interesting that it was Adama, the military leader, who showed pause to the ethical considerations ... and the president, the civil leader who made the strategic call.

I love this show :up:

[Pink Ranger]

But isn't it interesting that it was Adama, the military leader, who showed pause to the ethical considerations ... and the president, the civil leader who made the strategic call.

I love this show :up:

Similar to real life. It's easy to order massive deaths when all you have to do is to sign an order with a pen, it's another when you're the one stepping over writhing bodies.

[Angry Sentinel]

Exactly, many of the shows themes directly relate to the political and social issues we are dealing with in real life (after all, a little show called Star Trek reached indominable heights doing the same thing in it's time). I just love how closely the writers keep with drawing parallels between the two.

[tupelohoney]

i know most folks don't give a darn about the rift between starbuck and apollo... but, if you want a spoiler-filled sneak peak at this week's ep, i found this onyoutube:

http://hwww.youtube.com/watch?v=JAYXLlncQ40

not sure how i feel about this... thought/hoped it would be bigger than the scorned lover storyline...

[chosen1]

I want it to move to NBC.


I'm tired of this show not getting its due. While other shows like LOST is so popular.

They need to bring the old hype of the show back. Back in season one the episodes were all good. But the best thing about the episode being over was the exciting previews for next week episode w/ that dramatic music. What happend to that. :huh:

[Superfreak]

I want it to move to NBC.


I'm tired of this show not getting its due. While other shows like LOST is so popular.

They need to bring the old hype of the show back. Back in season one the episodes were all good. But the best thing about the episode being over was the exciting previews for next week episode w/ that dramatic music. What happend to that. :huh:

that's it you're an idiot, . If the show went on NBC, it would die a horrible death not worthy of a show of this quality. It would get watered down by major network politics, and it would become a shell of what it is now. Say NO to NBC.

as for hype, dude, you'll be crawling out of your skin when the winter break is almost over and you haven't had galactica for months. Anyone remember when Galactica was airing in britain, then like 6 months later, it aired in the US, then like a year later it finally came on in Canada. That was a wait I don't care to repeat.

[chosen1]

that's it you're an idiot, . If the show went on NBC, it would die a horrible death not worthy of a show of this quality. It would get watered down by major network politics, and it would become a shell of what it is now. Say NO to NBC.

as for hype, dude, you'll be crawling out of your skin when the winter break is almost over and you haven't had galactica for months. Anyone remember when Galactica was airing in britain, then like 6 months later, it aired in the US, then like a year later it finally came on in Canada. That was a wait I don't care to repeat.

I thought we were friends SuperFreak No need for name calling :csad: You know I dont want it to go to NBC. I just want this show to get its due.

[Superfreak]

I thought we were friends SuperFreak No need for name calling :csad: You know I dont want it to go to NBC. I just want this show to get its due.

sorry, was in a bit of a mood. Now your flip flopping though. BSG on NBC is the worst statement you have ever made.

things one has to face over time, is that Sci Fi, whatever its focus, or quality, will never get its due. That's just a fact of life. It happens because of the stereotyping that results from the gen 1 and gen 2 sci fi. Although good, both generations have left a sour taste in the mouths of the genreal public. These generations, for me, boil down to the original star trek and gen 2 being the likes of Star Trek Next Generation.

Gen 3 scifi, including BSG, farscape and serenity, has suffered from this on going after taste. BSG is an awesome show. But it suffers from the affects of earlier scifi.

It will never get its due. That's just a fact of life. Keeping it on scifi, keeps the show focused on its audience. Bringing it into mainstream will not work IMO and would only serve to kill the show.


so, sorry I gave you a bit of dressing, but you know you deserved it, as proven by your flip flop on your earlier statement.

[Evelisse]

tonights episode, Adama boxing and smoking future space weed was gold.

[KenK]

tonights episode, Adama boxing and smoking future space weed was gold.

I know, right?!?

Edward James Almos = Badass Muh-F***ah!!

[Superfreak]

Brilliant

show just keeps getting better and better.

[Spidey Rules 2]

So does anyone think that Apollo's and Starbuck's spouses sense what went on with those two? Or would they just think "Wow, they must really hate each other now!"? I can't tell (it doesn't help that I know excatly why they were fighting, something that the two spouses don't know).

[Superfreak]

So does anyone think that Apollo's and Starbuck's spouses sense what went on with those two? Or would they just think "Wow, they must really hate each other now!"? I can't tell (it doesn't help that I know excatly why they were fighting, something that the two spouses don't know).

well, Anders knew I think, judging from what he a starbuck were talkin about before she left for the fights. Does he 'know' what happened? Unsure, but I'm sure he knows that Kara has the hots for Apollo. As for Dee, I'm sure she has some idea of what's going on, but does she 'know' for sure what happened? Don't know.

gotta love the chronic, and loved how Adama was hiding it from Gaeta. Just a great scene

[Zenien]

I'm pretty sure Dee knew exactly what was happening. When anders came in and made the comment that it looks like Lee and Kara were trying to kill eachother, Dee said:

"That's one interpretation..."

And I think there are two options here for how the crew percieved it:

The rest of the crew realized the end game of them hugging eachother and it was this really weird and awkward situation because the crew probably at least knows some of the backstory (they don't have to know that Lee and Kara slept together, there was always the Lee/Kara potential in the air early on and then the hatred they overtly showed oen another later.

or

The crew just had enough of them beating eachother into snot when it became 'too serious', but then again Lee and Kara basically stopping sort of kills that 'too serious' theory because it was pretty obvious they were both done... and hugging eachother...

In the final shot of Dee that we saw, right after or before Starbuck and Lee exchange their mutual 'I missed you', Dee looks broken up, you can see her eyes glistening.

Granted just because Starbuck and Lee make up after a long period of overtly displaying hosility towards eachother doesn't mean they would necessarily start fraking, especially with Lee married. Dee though, seems to know exactly what's going on and probably knew deep down that Lee always had strong feellings for Starbuck, so I wouldn't be suprised if she cuts Lee loose because she feels Lee cheating on her with Starbuck is inevitable and that's who he really wants to be with.

As an aside Starbuck had no right to be pissed at Lee, she's the one who let an obviously drunk Lee seduce her (Starbuck seems to be able to hold her liquor very well) and then got scared and rushed herself into a marriage with Anders because she didn't want to accept responsibility for what she and Lee did.

[Angry Sentinel]

One thing about sex, lies, and betrayal... you really don't need to know the specifics to know the truth about the situation. Dee definitely knows her husband/boyfriend has more than likely cheated on her. But more importantly she knows that Lee is still madly in love with Starbuck. That was the most public display of emotional outlash they could have possibly had, and I'm pretty sure anyone with a brain and an ear for gossip aboard Galactica knows they had to at least fracked once to feel that strongly about each other. Anyone who doesn't see it, is just in denial.

[KenK]

Starbuck needs to s**t or get off the pot. I get the feeling the next step in her evolution will be letting Anders knock her up, fulfilling that maternal instinct that kicked in when she was around Casey (where is that cutie-patootie, anyway?! I LOVE that kid!).

[Angry Sentinel]

^ OMG I thought the same thing (about her getting knocked up). For all her posturing she is definitely a self destructing, scared little wussie. She's never going to commit to anything emotionally... unless she can use it conveniently and throw it out when she needs to. I know too many people like her.

[Pink Ranger]

I have to be honest, I wasn't a big fan of this episode. It was entirely backwards-looking and just one big hour of character exposition, which is fine for a show like Star Trek that has more episodes than ideas, but for a critically-acclaimed cable show like BSG I'm expecting the real plot to actually move at least an inch every episode.

[Angry Sentinel]

Interesting... so you don't think that character exposition of the MAIN characters in the series advances the real plot an inch? What exactly do you consider the real plot, and what do you feel actually advances it?

Just so we're clear, I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just trying to get you to elaborate on your comment.

[LadyVader]

I freakin loved this episode! Every single flashback made perfect sense, and the Starbuck/Apollo relationship is one of the best in modern TV. It's not like it's anything original. They're not reinventing the wheel here, but Bamber and Sachoff are doing a great job. Just from the begining when they stare eachother down it's such an intense moment, and over the course of the episode they display a huge range of emotions, toppled off with that exhaustion at the end. Beautiful stuff.

Oh, and those were some great fights. :) I really dig it that Helo beat Apollo. :D Oh, and what did he say about him:
"He's a tough little fracker". That he is, Helo. That he is. :D

The episode does have a certain gimmicky quality about it, for a show that is usually all over the place, the "real" action all took place in a gym. So I guess it doesn't really fit into the story of the season but it does stand out. And people will always remember it. It's like Hush, or The Body from Buffy. They didn't add to the story-arc of the season, but they are the best episodes in the whole show.

My question is... where the hell did a school teacher learn to be so hardcore!?
:)

[Angry Sentinel]

My question is... where the hell did a school teacher learn to be so hardcore!?
:) She told you... from her DADDY(that's so bad)!:cwink:

[Darthphere]

This episode is evil, it made me feel for Dee.

[Pink Ranger]

Interesting... so you don't think that character exposition of the MAIN characters in the series advances the real plot an inch? What exactly do you consider the real plot, and what do you feel actually advances it?

Just so we're clear, I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just trying to get you to elaborate on your comment.

I don't mind character development, or even "flashback" episodes, but when you have a whole hour to tell a story, you can at least pace it so the plot moves on too. Remember, they're currently engaged in a genocidal war against a relentless enemy, this isn't Six Feet Under or something written by Kevin Smith.

Seriously, I love this show but would it have killed them to skip to a Baltar/Six/Deanna moment every so often to move that story along?

[Angry Sentinel]

So your comment is more about the fact that it ecompassed the entire episode...I thought that's what you meant. Lady Vader made a similar comment and I agree with you both. There is far too much story and way too many characters in this series for them to just take a break completely from the story and give us the flashback-backstory for the ENTIRE episode. The background developement is probably better served when it's woven into the regular storytelling.

Having said that, I think the Star Trek geek in me really enjoyed this one anyway.

[Zenien]

I freakin loved this episode! Every single flashback made perfect sense, and the Starbuck/Apollo relationship is one of the best in modern TV. It's not like it's anything original. They're not reinventing the wheel here, but Bamber and Sachoff are doing a great job. Just from the begining when they stare eachother down it's such an intense moment, and over the course of the episode they display a huge range of emotions, toppled off with that exhaustion at the end. Beautiful stuff.

Oh, and those were some great fights. :) I really dig it that Helo beat Apollo. :D Oh, and what did he say about him:
"He's a tough little fracker". That he is, Helo. That he is. :D

The episode does have a certain gimmicky quality about it, for a show that is usually all over the place, the "real" action all took place in a gym. So I guess it doesn't really fit into the story of the season but it does stand out. And people will always remember it. It's like Hush, or The Body from Buffy. They didn't add to the story-arc of the season, but they are the best episodes in the whole show.

My question is... where the hell did a school teacher learn to be so hardcore!?
:)

Apollo could have taken Helo if Starbuck wasn't there ringside throwing Lee off his game. :csad:

[By your Command]

First of all I have to say that I almost couldn't find this thread, anyway I don't post that much (you can check the post count if you want) but i just wanna say that "Unfinished Business" was just an amazing episode, just great stuff, and I mean it because I normally don't tend to like episodes that don't include Baltar and Six, or the Cylons, and this one practically shipped them away to another galaxy and reminded me that these guys in Galactica are just the coolest crew ever (Starbuck didn't dissapoint, Hotdog was dead the second he called her, and the whole thing with Lee was expected, she's just a tease, Lee should have expected it).

Another thing that i wanted to put out there, is the thought of no more Number Three episodes in a long time (Or who knows), and how much i'm gonna miss watching D'anna Biers on a regular basis, I think it's gonna remind me of earlier seasons when the cylons were just Six and Eight (OK, and sometimes Five), not that it sucks, but come on, it's Lucy Lawless.

So to wrap it up, great episode, i'm gonna miss Three, and i hope to post again someday.

[Speedball]

Wow! That was sad :( I'm gonna miss that girl. I'm glad they made her a hero at the end.

[chosen1]

Best frackin show on TV Period!











"You cannot lose if you do not play." -- Marla Daniels

[Evelisse]

Cat was awesome, gona miss her.


worst time of the year is coming....space between seasons of Galactica :(

[Angry Sentinel]

WOW!!! So, how many ships did they lose? Cat went out like a true frackin hero, good for her.

[Superfreak]

yeah, that episode was sexy

[Darthphere]

Was I supposed to care that Kat died, and by not so noble causes as well?

[chosen1]

I think I'm in love with racetrack.













"Call it a crisis in leadership." -- Propisition Joe

[Superfreak]

so... what does the chief find in the hollow mountain? And will Apollo and Anders be able to sort out their relationship issues

[Pink Ranger]

So how many deaths this season can be attributed to Starbuck's judgmentalism so far?

[Superfreak]

So how many deaths this season can be attributed to Starbuck's judgmentalism so far?


I think that depends on how many times she killed leoben in the love dungeon

[Pink Ranger]

I can't wait until next week. If I was a Galactica crewman I'd conceal about 10 handguns on my person and blow Balthar away the minute I saw him, Geneva rules of parley be damned. ;)

[Sawyer]

Okay, I'm a perspective BG viewer. I loved the two shows Arrested Development and Firefly, but they were cancelled far sooner than they shouldve been. I soon started watching The Office and, for lack of a better word, it was a great replacement for AD. I am wondering if a fan who loves Firefly would enjoy BG just as much.

[Superfreak]

Okay, I'm a perspective BG viewer. I loved the two shows Arrested Development and Firefly, but they were cancelled far sooner than they shouldve been. I soon started watching The Office and, for lack of a better word, it was a great replacement for AD. I am wondering if a fan who loves Firefly would enjoy BG just as much.


I think if you watch the show, straight through from the miniseries up to now, you will be amazed. There is a reason for the reviews stating that it is the best show on TV since the first season aired. Check it out, make it through the MS, and the first season, and you'll be hookd

[Superfreak]

so, what will you all be doing to weather the break in bsg?

[Darthphere]

Probably googling pics of Tricia Helfer.

[chosen1]

Probably googling pics of Tricia Helfer.

and my Love Leah Cairnes (Racetrack)

[Superfreak]

well lets go then gents! Start posting sexy pics!

[chosen1]

My baby is sexy!


http://www.freewebs.com/leah_cairns/Leah_001.JPG

[chosen1]

Lord have mercy....

http://www.freewebs.com/leah_cairns/Leah_03.JPG

[Superfreak]

Her symetrics are off, looks like someone boxed her nose to the left. Id take Grace Park over her any day



'what are you doing?"
"Getting ready to nuke the planet" - WHAT THE FRACK DID YOU THINK I WAS DOING!?!?!?!?!?!?


so, I am assuming that what the last thing the chief read off of the temple wall, something about the 'heaven's opening up, and revealing the eye' is linked with the impending supernova.

how are athena and helo going to steal Hera back? Will Adama launch? And lastly, are Lee and Anders gonna start scratching and slapping each other (the role reversal here is classic, Kara seems to be the patriarch of this love triangle, with Apollo and Anders taking on the fem aspect of the relationship)?

oh yeah, BURNNNNN on Kara, she deserves a good torturing after her antics so far this season.

[Darthphere]

Dee is growing on me.

[chosen1]

Her symetrics are off, looks like someone boxed her nose to the left. Id take Grace Park over her any day



.

Blasphemy!

[Quasar]

This show is so frakkin' awesome.

[phoenixflight]

I missed another episode - DAMN IT! I hope the switch to Sundays at 10pm would be better for me.


I have a question:
I just read the plot summary to December 15th's episode "The Eye of Jupiter" and I was wondering if the Temple of Five pertained to the remaining 5 Cylons we have not seen yet?


Did they discuss the significance of the Temple in the episode?


Plot Summary:
The Human fleet has been orbiting the Algae planet for two weeks as the crew harvests algae as a food source from the humid planet. Chief Tyrol feels strangely compelled to explore some hills near the human camp. After some exploration, he discovers the Temple of Five, a lost tomb that holds the Eye of Jupiter: a relic that can show the way to Earth. A group of Cylon Basestars jumps just as the humans find the Eye, and a stand-off ensues.

[Superfreak]

I missed another episode - DAMN IT! I hope the switch to Sundays at 10pm would be better for me.


I have a question:
I just read the plot summary to December 15th's episode "The Eye of Jupiter" and I was wondering if the Temple of Five pertained to the remaining 5 Cylons we have not seen yet?


Did they discuss the significance of the Temple in the episode?


Plot Summary:
The Human fleet has been orbiting the Algae planet for two weeks as the crew harvests algae as a food source from the humid planet. Chief Tyrol feels strangely compelled to explore some hills near the human camp. After some exploration, he discovers the Temple of Five, a lost tomb that holds the Eye of Jupiter: a relic that can show the way to Earth. A group of Cylon Basestars jumps just as the humans find the Eye, and a stand-off ensues.


Baltar and Deanna think that the eye of jupitor, hidden in the temple of 5, will allow deanna and baltar to see the faces of the final five.

We don't know the significance of the temple to the humans, other than it is the holyest of temples to them. And the eye is supposed to be a signpost on the way to earth. And this will happen when the 'skies open up', so does that refer to Adama nuking the planet, or to the impending supernova?

So your question is right on. But it is one that has not yet been answered. 12 cylon copies, 12 gods of kobol, now the temple of 5, and we are looking for the final five cylons.

Obviously there is a link there. But what is it?

[chosen1]

Should we be worried....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT_aWArHaSw:csad:

[Speedball]

Should we be worried....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT_aWArHaSw:csad:
about what, I don't feel like watching the whole thing.

[chosen1]

about what, I don't feel like watching the whole thing.

She said something about her finishing shooting galactica season 3 and she couldnt go into detail about that and the crowd was like oooh ahhhhh.

[Superfreak]

She said something about her finishing shooting galactica season 3 and she couldnt go into detail about that and the crowd was like oooh ahhhhh.

yeah, she said that she personally finished early. So the question is why? Let the inferences begin: Starbuck has had something massive shoved up her rear this season. So maybe something happens to her as a source of redemption and renewal.

But should we be worried? Never. I mean honestly, BSG, without Starbuck, is not BSG at all (or its BSG 80). Either way, writing her off the story is not gonna happen

found this about episode 16 (the one she talks about in the interview) maybe we should be worried:

Episode 16: Maelstrom; February 25, 2007
12/12/06: Check this new page for info on Kara's fate.
11/21/06: The following characters appear in the season finale (unknown if they might be appearing only in flashback): Adama, Roslin, Lee, Tigh, Athena, Helo, Tyrol, Cally, Gaeta, Anders, Cottle, Racetrack and Seelix. [Revised to hopefully eliminate some confusion and needless speculation. This list comes from a particular day of shooting and as such can be used only to confirm some characters' survival. Just because Kara and Baltar are not listed does not mean that they have been killed off. Rather this list thins the supects for the "major death."]
11/19/06: In a video interview with TV Guide, Katee Sackhoff said that we'd find out that she was a Cylon and see how she died. [Her comment was likely a joke as the interview was light-hearted, at least the Cylon part. The "major death" probably happens at the same time that Kara's Viper is damaged in a scene not yet leaked. Kat? Hot Dog?]
10/17/06: Updated the episode number.
10/13/06: Lee talks to his father just after the admiral has dressed down Kara. [The tone of the conversation seems to imply that Lee and Adama are on decent terms and Lee and Kara are back on speaking terms, at least.]
10/13/06: Adama states that he had to relieve Tigh of his position at some point previously.
10/13/06: Anders and Kara still carry on with each other, but he appears to be staying elsewhere in the fleet and their relationship seems to be more casual as opposed to married.
10/13/06: Kara and Anders talk about her mother, who was a Marine and abusive to Kara.
10/13/06: Ten years ago (eight years before the attacks) Kara had left home pledging never to join the military. Four years later when she returned to visit her mother, she had not only ended up in the military, but was an officer. Her mother was aware of her career, both the achievements and the troubles with discipline. Her mother (like Leoben) believed that Kara was special. They end up arguing before Socrata admits that she has cancer and is dying. Kara left anyway and never came back in spite of her mother's efforts to contact her again.
10/13/06: Kara has a dream where she is at her mother's bedside as she dies. Kara then realizes that the Leoben in her dream isn't really Leoben, but he talks just as metaphysically as the real Leoben as he states that now that she's seen death, she's free to fulfill her "destiny."
10/13/06: Kara apparently experiences these memories and dreams as the atmosphere vents from a crack in her cockpit canopy. She hears a transmission from Lee in his Viper and turns on her transponder.
10/11/06: Episode title added.
10/11/06: Another "Oracle" appears in this episode.
10/11/06: Kara's mother died of cancer about four years before the Cylon attack. One of the flashbacks shows that Kara rejected her mother's efforts to "reach out" to her in their last meeting.
10/7/06: Preliminary Episode Synopsis: Kara is on a mission and ends up unconscious. She has flashbacks in which her mother, Socrata, and Leoben appear. Lee is out in a Viper looking for her when she finally sends a distress signal so he can locate her. She and Anders are separated, but get together occasionally for some "no strings attached action." Kara uses Leoben posters for small arms target practice.
10/5/06: There is supposedly a "significant" death.
10/3/06: Episode features Kara.

'what if' Kara dies, and is really a cylon, what if, that'd be ball crunching season finale

[chosen1]

My baby is sexy!


http://www.freewebs.com/leah_cairns/Leah_001.JPG











Its official we're engaged!

[chosen1]

kinda cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqjNsP0FxnE

[Kebab gud]

ahh i hate seeing intervjues with Jamie Bamber .. he sounds so diffrent when he is himself.. its hard to belive sometimes...
its like when Christian Bale got the MTV movie award thingi and he had on a full british accent

[Superfreak]

i find it interesting, how they keep talking about the suicicde bombing this season as something novel which they hadn't done before. But weren't there a number of suicide bombings in the first season, and the second

[Pink Ranger]

They just replayed the entire pilot miniseries on SpaceTV in Canada last night. I never really liked the pilot, but I must say it does better on its second viewing. And it's interesting to see how many things you notice differently when you review the pilot after following the show for so long.

[Superfreak]

They just replayed the entire pilot miniseries on SpaceTV in Canada last night. I never really liked the pilot, but I must say it does better on its second viewing. And it's interesting to see how many things you notice differently when you review the pilot after following the show for so long.

yeah, like thank god they fixed starbucks lesbian haircut. There are a lot of other things, but I feel that the sets look much more natural and lived in now, than in the MS

btw, space canada played the peacekeeper wars, then BSg MS back to back. That was sweet. Space always has the best holiday marathons

[Pink Ranger]

The first and second best SF shows in TV history back to back. Space is awesome; it's almost unbelievable it comes from the same people that bring us MuchMoreMusic, CityTV and StarTV.

[Superfreak]

The first and second best SF shows in TV history back to back. Space is awesome; it's almost unbelievable it comes from the same people that bring us MuchMoreMusic, CityTV and StarTV.

Chum has always been good to the canadian scifi nerd. Everyholiday is a wicked marathon of one sort or another. City has always been good for holiday movies too.

Remember way back when Star Trek TNG got cancelled, and was ending? Chum rented out the skydome for a huge star trek finale party with the episode being broadcast on the jumbotron(impressive at the time), and it was awesome.

[Pink Ranger]

Chum has always been good to the canadian scifi nerd. Everyholiday is a wicked marathon of one sort or another. City has always been good for holiday movies too.



I'm just really down on CHUM all the time because of what qualifies as Canadian programming for them. They construct entire programs based on VJs making color commentary on U.S. celebrities and rock videos, and they call it original Canadian programming. Besides Space and Bravo, Chum is just shameful.

[Superfreak]

I'm just really down on CHUM all the time because of what qualifies as Canadian programming for them. They construct entire programs based on VJs making color commentary on U.S. celebrities and rock videos, and they call it original Canadian programming. Besides Space and Bravo, Chum is just shameful.

yeah, I'm not really caring all that much for 'canadian' programing anyways. MM will always be what it is, a music channel, and they are classically filled with that kind of tripe anyways. Doesn't really matter anymore, since Chum is now owned by CTV, which ironically, has two competing channels in MTV canada and MM. Kind of wierd.

regardless, Chum has always been the one dependable network of stations that keeps the sci fi rally strong in canada.

BSG starts when, Sunday the 21st (suddenly realizes that 24 is on sundays) Conflict conflict conflict edit: Suddenly realizes that Rome is also on sundays. (computer is gonna be busy on sunday nights and monday mornings, might have to rearrange my class schedual just to cope)

[likemytights]

I'm thinking in the next season they are going to kill off Anders early on. That show has been known for killing off characters for convenience. Remember Admiral Kane and that Billy guy?

[CyberFaust]

I'm thinking in the next season they are going to kill off Anders early on. That show has been known for killing off characters for convenience. Remember Admiral Kane and that Billy guy?

the bastards deserved it, i hated that billy died though :cmad:

but anders is not a loved character and will probably bite the bucket now that starbuck is with apollo

[chosen1]

New IGN article.

She we be worried :csad:

In all honesty they need to step up the hype.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/753/753078p1.html

[Superfreak]

anyone see the new previews?

1 will die, 1 will be a cylon, and 1 will find earth by the end of the season

there are 6 on youtube, previews that is. Looks good, but man the song they have playing in the background is rough

[Superfreak]

New IGN article.

She we be worried :csad:

In all honesty they need to step up the hype.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/753/753078p1.html

what's to worry about. Even if the show doesn't get renewed, I think we can be assured that the show will finish brilliantly. The production team behind the show has never let me down in any major way. The show has always been consistently good, even the more boring of episodes was interesting in its own way.

I'm not really worried that it'll be cancelled this year. It gets far too much praise from critiques. It'll never get its recognition from the general public, a discussion we have had already.

[CyberFaust]

mondo super hyper ultimately cool :D

[Bastila]

Ok tonight the new season starts here and are those web episodes important to watch as i haven't seen any.
So is there anything I should know?

[Superfreak]

Ok tonight the new season starts here and are those web episodes important to watch as i haven't seen any.
So is there anything I should know?


no, they are not important

[Evelisse]

As I sit here watching past episodes of the show, a question...

Do cylons have sex with each other? They seem to derive pleasure from the act but, in every instance they imply sex, it is a human/cylon combo. Even with Baltar, with the Xena and Six trio, is Baltar center stage or is there some alone time for Xena and Six? /can of worms? :D

[Pink Ranger]

Do cylons have sex with each other? They seem to derive pleasure from the act but, in every instance they imply sex, it is a human/cylon combo. Even with Baltar, with the Xena and Six trio, is Baltar center stage or is there some alone time for Xena and Six? /can of worms? :D

Knowing men, I'm sure at some point Baltar just sits back and watches. ;)

And is it just me, or is everybody else now picturing a Doral and Cavill getting it on? Cause that would be hot hot hot!!! :p

[Superfreak]

Knowing men, I'm sure at some point Baltar just sits back and watches. ;)

And is it just me, or is everybody else now picturing a Doral and Cavill getting it on? Cause that would be hot hot hot!!! :p

is two female robots having sex, actually sex?

[CyberFaust]

those two robot wemen having sex is realy sex, and probably quality sex too :D

[chosen1]

I have a feeling that this is the last season :csad:

[LadyVader]

Uh, don't even joke about stuff like that!

[Superfreak]

I have a feeling that this is the last season :csad:


chosen, please, you don't need to keep repeating yourself, your last three posts have been, 'should we be worried, I'm worried'. Forget about that nonsense, and just enjoy the show while it's here

[chosen1]

chosen, please, you don't need to keep repeating yourself, your last three posts have been, 'should we be worried, I'm worried'. Forget about that nonsense, and just enjoy the show while it's here


Sorry:csad:

[Captn Eclipse]

Well the 1 will die, 1 will find he/she's a Cylon and 1 will find Earth has me thinking this:


D'anna will Die (This time for good since Lucy Lawless last appearance is "Rapture"), Baltar will learn he's a Cylon, and Tyroll will find Earth

[Superfreak]

Well the 1 will die, 1 will find he/she's a Cylon and 1 will find Earth has me thinking this:


D'anna will Die (This time for good since Lucy Lawless last appearance is "Rapture"), Kara will learn she's a Cylon, and Baltar will find Earth


you know, i've been thinking about this too. I've been kicking around the idea in my head that Kara might die, Kara might discover she's a cylon, and Kara might find earth.

[CyberFaust]

you know, i've been thinking about this too. I've been kicking around the idea in my head that Kara might die, Kara might discover she's a cylon, and Kara might find earth.

And if she gets to have sex with Six and ye' old Xena then i'm a happy camper :D

[Superfreak]

And if she gets to have sex with Six and ye' old Xena then i'm a happy camper :D

throw gracie park in there, and I'm sold

[CyberFaust]

And, today in the news, Tricia Helfer (Six) is going Playboy:D

My Bad, My Bad :(

[Caliber]

Well the 1 will die, 1 will find he/she's a Cylon and 1 will find Earth has me thinking this:


D'anna will Die (This time for good since Lucy Lawless last appearance is "Rapture"), Kara will learn she's a Cylon, and Baltar will find Earth


Wow that would be a surprise but I have feeling Lee could be a cylon. Hes close to Adama and would be able to set up Adama to not launch the nukes.

[LadyVader]

But he's Adama's son. How could he be a cylon unless the real Lee was replaced at some point in his life.

I personally think that the Doc could be a cylon... one of those runaway models that stayed back to protect humanity. And he's always been close to Sharon too, despite knowing she was a cylon.

[chosen1]

He was on the ship w/ the poison Beacon too. It really woul'dnt make sense if someone well known was a cylon Shoul'dnt everyone had been tested by now.... Now that I think of it I remember a discussion that baltar had w/ imaginary six saying it would take over 40 years to test 45,000 people. :wow:

[Darthphere]

Starbuck is not the Cylon.

[CyberFaust]

I think Xena and Six are Cylons.. :(

[Philly Phanboy]

I thought that season 4 was already confirmed, but I read today that unless ratings pick up with the new time-slot the show's a goner. A final decision is going to be made soon because all their contracts are up in February. link (http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/sci-fi-undecided-on-battlestar-galactica-fourth-season-renewal-1011285.php)

[Darthphere]

There's also the rumor of a movie.

[LadyVader]

How can they cancel a show that's been named best show on TV... twice if I'm not mistaking? Have they gone completely carrot top?

[KenK]

I thought that season 4 was already confirmed, but I read today that unless ratings pick up with the new time-slot the show's a goner. A final decision is going to be made soon because all their contracts are up in February. link (http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/sci-fi-undecided-on-battlestar-galactica-fourth-season-renewal-1011285.php)

Meanwhile Sci-Fi is greenlighting a Flash Gordon revival? Yeah, I remember when the idea of a Battlestar Galactica revamp was considered sacrilage, but I just can't see Flash Gordon being all that interesting. Not to mention it's been down the revamp road countless times already. That cartoon in the 90s where they were all teenagers was beyond wretched.

[EXCELSIOR]

Just a warning to all... posting images and or links to nudity or porn is a good way to get banned! (ie: Tricia Helfer nude in Playboy)

[Darthphere]

A little tasteful nudity never hurt anyone. Anyway...

Going by this BSG Promo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgfZ3UwT-8Y


It seems to me there are 3 key questions and the choices of people to place in the shots are deliberate so here it goes:

Who's going to die?

Apollo
Starbuck
Dee

Who is a Cylon?

Adama
Gaeta
Baltar

Who finds Earth?

D'Anna
Laura Roslin
Helo

[Superfreak]

A little tasteful nudity never hurt anyone. Anyway...

Going by this BSG Promo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgfZ3UwT-8Y


It seems to me there are 3 key questions and the choices of people to place in the shots are deliberate so here it goes:

Who's going to die?

Apollo
Starbuck
Dee

Who is a Cylon?

Adama
Gaeta
Baltar

Who finds Earth?

D'Anna
Laura Roslin
Helo

well, I saw a spoiler pic, so I know that Six who is the chosen one who sees the remaining five cylons


read another cool little spoiler : In order to infiltrate the cylon baseship holding Hera, Athena is going to kill herself, so that she can ressurect aboard, and steal the infant away. HOW COOL IS THAT So she could be the one who dies, in a sneaky dirty well written kind of way.

I'm getting that Battlestar Joy feeling again (hey, also took the time to figure out spoiler tags)

[Speedball]

Anyone else think the final five can't resurrect?

[Evelisse]

I think it would be interesting if the 5 wanted no part in the war with humans and copies have made there way back to co-exist with humans on earth. :oldrazz:

[huskerwebhead]

Yahoo has an ad on their main page about watching the next episode online right now before this weekend!! I'm at work and can't play streaming data. :mad:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/486766

[Superfreak]

Yahoo has an ad on their main page about watching the next episode online right now before this weekend!! I'm at work and can't play streaming data. :mad:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/486766


I don't see anything (well, I see a sneak peak of tomorrows epi, the entire epi of Eye of jupiter, and the winter season preview)

[CyberFaust]

i want to see galactica damnit!!! just a few more days left...

[Superfreak]

i want to see galactica damnit!!! just a few more days left...


day

[CyberFaust]

Hours....tic..tac..tic...narf..tic...tac..tic...na rf...

[Caliber]

Anyone else think the final five can't resurrect?

If they are cylons then they can resurrect. My theory is that the final five know where is or how to find it. What was with Starbuck's drawing and the eye of jupiter? Baltar seems to not be a cylon.

[Donnie Darko]

I love this show, but dammit I was pissed when they didn't show who was under the white hood.

[Fading]

Was a good episode. I guess we know who's the one to die, so that's out of the way.

Lucy Lawless's character's entire line was boxed and put in cold storage.

As for who were in the white hood.

I could be wrong, but part of the face of the first one did look slightly like Starbuck to me. I could be wrong tho. Also they had Starbuck painting that Eye of Jupiter since she was a kid, or atleast she said that. She could be one of the 5 maybe, or atleast it's painted slightly like that to trick us. It's already been reported that she was done filming mid way thru the season, so maybe she's found to be a Cylon and then goes off alone while the rest of the episodes to the season finale air. Also the finale Cylon's shoulder was at Lucy Lawless's chin, so if anyone's bored and wants to check height scale lol, plus it was someone she's seen before.

I don't think Adama is a Cylon tho. First he's had two children, something Cylon's apparently didn't do til Hera. Second, if Adama's a Cylon, then so is Apollo. Since the one who died was one of the ppl in the preview not shown while the "Who will die?" voice over was on, it means any of them could be the Cylon. My guess is

Possibly the president or Starbuck. She's in power, it'd be a shocker too. The show could go on without her even if she's a good character. Plus in the spoiler she lit up a cigarrette which seems to be an international sign for either badass or bad guy. Baltar is the obvious choice, so I don't think they'll go with him. Athena's husband can't be either as their child is half human and Cylon. So that narrow's down the numbers of who can be in that preview. Maybe both Starbuck and Baltar just have something to do with the proficies tho, a religious destiny and are not Cylon's.

[Superfreak]

Was a good episode. I guess we know who's the one to die, so that's out of the way.

Lucy Lawless's character's entire line was boxed and put in cold storage.

As for who were in the white hood.

I could be wrong, but part of the face of the first one did look slightly like Starbuck to me. I could be wrong tho. Also they had Starbuck painting that Eye of Jupiter since she was a kid, or atleast she said that. She could be one of the 5 maybe, or atleast it's painted slightly like that to trick us. It's already been reported that she was done filming mid way thru the season, so maybe she's found to be a Cylon and then goes off alone while the rest of the episodes to the season finale air. Also the finale Cylon's shoulder was at Lucy Lawless's chin, so if anyone's bored and wants to check height scale lol, plus it was someone she's seen before.

I don't think Adama is a Cylon tho. First he's had two children, something Cylon's apparently didn't do til Hera. Second, if Adama's a Cylon, then so is Apollo. Since the one who died was one of the ppl in the preview not shown while the "Who will die?" voice over was on, it means any of them could be the Cylon. My guess is

Possibly the president or Starbuck. She's in power, it'd be a shocker too. The show could go on without her even if she's a good character. Plus in the spoiler she lit up a cigarrette which seems to be an international sign for either badass or bad guy. Baltar is the obvious choice, so I don't think they'll go with him. Athena's husband can't be either as their child is half human and Cylon. So that narrow's down the numbers of who can be in that preview. Maybe both Starbuck and Baltar just have something to do with the proficies tho, a religious destiny and are not Cylon's.

This is my take on who is not a cylon:


The president is NOT a cylon. There is much proof behind this, mainly that she had terminal cancer, and was cured when given cylon hybrid blood. So she can't be a cylon.

Adama Sr. is not a Cylon, he has had kids, so him being a cylon would negate the importance of Hera.

Adama Jr. is not a cylon as he is the offspring of a human.

Baltar is definately not a cylon, to make him a cylon would destroy the whole point of his character: that he is the best and worst humanity has to offer.

And Helo is definately not a cylon either, because he is the human parent of the Cylon/human hybrid

Who could be a cylon:

My bet is on the Cheif, I mean who just wanders off into the hills because he has a feeling, and discovers the original settlement of the 13th. Add that to the nightmares he was having at the end of last season. I think he's the most likely cantidate. Yeah, he has a kid, but... if Hera is the first of the new generation, an Eve, then Nicky could potentially be Hera's Adam.

Starbuck could be a cylon, but I just don't see it happening. Would it not be strange that the 2 characters who were adapted to be women from the Original series both turned out to be cylons. I think SB will find earth.

Gaeta could also be a cylon. I don't know why, but he seems like someone who would be a cylon

Maybe Tigh is a Cylon

[KenK]

How come Dee hasn't been speculated as being a Cylon? I think that'd be cool as hell!

[Darthphere]

Because people actually started liking her recently.

[Angry Sentinel]

Quick think points....

-BIG plot point having the Lucy Lawless character written out. Why would the other Cylons NOT want to know what the final five look like...or is it just the Brother Cavils?

-How old are the Cylons? Were they around when the 13th tribe left for earth?

-Did four of the Five go looking for the 13th tribe? How else would the path of the 13th tribe and the final five origins be mixed together on a planet light years away from the colonies?

-How interesting that the Baltar six aided Athena and then returned to Galactica. Is she just trying to ensure that she can swipe the baby back or does she truly believe in LOVE as she has been saying all along?

[Pink Ranger]

Some random observations about the last episode:

1. Even though they're artificial lifeforms imitating humans, Cylons still dress appropriately for the occasion. I found it cute that D'anna and Cavil felt the need to wear their safari khakis, and actually laughed out loud seeing Cavil wearing the hat.

2. D'anna apologizes to one of the five Cylons, meaning it's somebody she's slighted in her dealings with humans. It merits looking back to old episodes to see who she's been giving a hard time to.

3. Baltar looks like Jesus next week. I wonder if Caprica-6 will help exonerate him in the end.