Marvel's Black & Minority Characters: Roundtable Discussion

[hippy fascist]

I know a good one myself about a man, an ostrich and a cat.

That joke is awful :csad:

[Xofenroht]

Hahaha

[Kitsune]

I just know a few curse words in Spanish. :(

Me too. I took 2 years of Spanish 1.

[Xofenroht]

I have a question and I'm sure it's been asked before, but...

Do you feel that race should even be taken into account for a character?

At first I once believed that it shouldn't even be addressed, but as I get older and have my own experiences with bigotry and racism I began to think differently. It'd be great to see race not matter so much to some characters while being very important for others. Marvel IS known for its realism afterall.

So...should race even matter in comics?

[Anubis]

I've heard this joke before from a commedian by the name of Michael Colyer...


Yup :up:

[Tropico]

besa me cula

"Besa mi culo" or how you would probably hear it instead of a literal translation: "besame el culo!"

[Shockdingo]

I have a question and I'm sure it's been asked before, but...

Do you feel that race should even be taken into account for a character?

At first I once believed that it shouldn't even be addressed, but as I get older and have my own experiences with bigotry and racism I began to think differently. It'd be great to see race not matter so much to some characters while being very important for others. Marvel IS known for its realism afterall.

So...should race even matter in comics?
I think if it's relavant, such as if the character's existance relies on that(for example a character who has been driven into the fight for justice due to bigotry; parents/family killed due to racist gangs, oraganizations, cults or such). Backstory and origin is very important.

I don't think someone, when brainstorming for a character, should start off saying "I want a ___ person!" and then trying to build off of that in a flimsy manner. I think a person should focus on the concept, powers and main intent and then craft things around that, race can then possibly enhance that which has been created.
I'd rather have a strong character than just a character who's made to conform to a particular group and suffers as a result.

[Harlekin]

I've always been of the mind that people should just create everything about a character except ethnicity. Then, having a whole bunch of nameless, faceless characters, assign race randomly. It sounds kind of odd, I know.

[Xofenroht]

I always thought it should strictly depend on how the creator envisions the character in their mind. Sometimes, when I create a character, they have a certain image as soon as the idea first appears in my mind. I go with that one, because I just can't envision the character in any other form.

[Zoken]

taking advantage of my lisence...

a guy walks into a bar with a pair of jumper cables, and sits down and orders a drink. the bartender looks at him skeptically and finally says, "okay, I'll serve you, but don't start anything."

[Anubis]

"Besa mi culo" or how you would probably hear it instead of a literal translation: "besame el culo!"


How do you say kiss my hairy, dimpled, ebony ass in Spanish?

[Zoken]

"Anubis"

[jim lee's bat]

I think race should be taken into account for the sake of diversification, but should not be forced like blue beetle and the atom replacing one character just so they can say hey we have an asian superhero, nor should they be generalized example: because he's black he must where baggy jeans. but like I said there should be more non white superheroes because a it reflects real life (especially in New York where you can find almost any race) and I personally feel proud when a Puerto Rican achieves something of note, so to give that opportunity to all races I think would be great.

[Lightning Strykez!]

"Anubis"

That was effing brilliant. :woot::up:

[Zoken]

I try

[deemar325]

Wassup all!

The Dee is back

[Lightning Strykez!]

The Dee is back

...and black!

[Tropico]

How do you say kiss my hairy, dimpled, ebony ass in Spanish?

The dimpled thing is what makes the whole thing complicated and mostly not worth including it. Here you have it anyway: "Besa mi culo negro, peludo y con hoyuelos." Literally translated to English it would go "Kiss my ass that's black, hairy and with dimples (or has little holes:o)." We have dimple (hoyuelo) as a noun but not as an adjective.

In regards to the character creation subject, I agree with most of the people here. When I was younger and had some of the DC or Marvel RPG's I would create characters and sometimes use race/sex/upbringing/ etc. as a starting point when I felt all the characters I was making where "too much of the same".

I remember that I made up a group of characters in my first college years and they all revolved around going against hero stereotypes. I had a guy that was a speedster and was very large in height and width. There was a strongwoman instead of man. I had a black kid that was about 10 years old and had invulnerability; he didn't have superstrength and wasn't much of a fighter so he had to be creative about how to attack people. Like following them and then dropping down on them from rooftops and stuff like that.:o The "mentor" of the group was an old Asian man that was good at martial arts but was mostly a mystic that hated using his magic or doing anything for that matter. It was all a hassle to him.:o I don't know what I was thinking with that guy.:(

I'd love to see more heroes that are latino, but not at the cost of them being stereotypes or being known only for their ethnicity. That's the catch 22, I'd love to see stuff and say "Hey, that's just like here (where I live). Tha't so true!" but then it doesn't really matter much if it's a shallow character.

[deemar325]

...and black!


Sho-Nuff! :word:

[Varient]

On Topic:

One thing I hope they do,.. is Expand On Black Lightnings powers.
How does he fly? Does he still have his force field?

[Lightning Strykez!]

So I read the new issue of Black Panther--featuring the so-called battle between Storm and Clor.

:rolleyes:

That's all I have to say.

[kainedamo]

Really? But it looked so cool in the preview.

[Darthphere]

You know, I think this is as good a place as any to bring it up. Over at CBR, theres a column called the Buy Pile, and its written by hannibal Tabu, a black man. I know this because he makes sure you know he's black, for example, during Kwanzaa he included a tidbit about each day in his other column the Comic Book Reel. And he does this on other important days in black history. I really don't care. But I find it curious that every month when BP comes out, he puts it in the must buy pile. I mean, the book couldve gotten better for all I know, but a must buy? I find that hard to believe.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=22

[32CAGE]

Marvel's black heroes have waaaay more characterization and depth than anything DC has created. And people identify with theirs better too.

In my opinion.

Marvel were the first and there is good characterization with the characters. But in fairness to DC, they have allowed their black heroes to be more powerful in the likes of Specter, Jon Stewart, etc. Marvel still tend to keep most of their minority heroes at street level.

[Zoken]

Well, 32, that is a difference overal in Marvel and DC's characters. Most of DC's heroes become highly powered. If memory serves correctly they have very few "street level" heroes. Marvel, currently, has kept things mostly on earth in street level situations, they are trying to balance things out with Anhilation, but most of their heroes are still street level heroes, not just their black ones.

[Lightning Strykez!]

You know, I think this is as good a place as any to bring it up. Over at CBR, theres a column called the Buy Pile, and its written by hannibal Tabu, a black man. I know this because he makes sure you know he's black, for example, during Kwanzaa he included a tidbit about each day in his other column the Comic Book Reel. And he does this on other important days in black history. I really don't care. But I find it curious that every month when BP comes out, he puts it in the must buy pile. I mean, the book couldve gotten better for all I know, but a must buy? I find that hard to believe.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=22

It is far from a "must buy" level right now--issue #25 confirmed that for me. Most inconsistent, choppy mess I've read in the series yet. And just when I thought he was improving. :whatever:


Marvel were the first and there is good characterization with the characters. But in fairness to DC, they have allowed their black heroes to be more powerful in the likes of Specter, Jon Stewart, etc. Marvel still tend to keep most of their minority heroes at street level.

Not sure I would agree with that. Bishop, Storm, Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau) and Cloak are not what I would call "street level" in terms of power. Especially Storm...the only "hood" thing about her right now is Hudlin. :o

[Lightning Strykez!]

Really? But it looked so cool in the preview.

It was the suck dude. First of all, the art was terrible. The storywriting was sooooooooo choppy and cheesy. It didn't fit in well with Civil War #7 at all. Like 100 heroes were missing, including Captain America, etc. from 42 when Cloak teleported them. The last issue seemed to let you believe this one would be explosive, but it was lackluster. For example, I thought the confrontation between Reed Richards and Storm would be something interesting.

Dry.

I thought the battle between Storm and Clor would be at least riveting.

Bland.

I honestly don't believe Hudlin knows how to write action sequences...the comic felt like he was trying to avoid having to really roll his sleeves up and get gritty with it. The whole battle between Hercules and Clor was so pathetic that we (as readers) didn't even get a chance to see it. Rather, the comic panels focused on Storm and Susan Richards jumping up and down like school girl cheerleaders full of glee as they watched the battle from afar. "Wow, did you know he was that strong?! WOW! What a finish!"

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It read like a cop-out...and like I said, the artwork made it even worse.

Just lame. :down

[hippy fascist]

Knowing hudlin now that BP has joined the F4 he'll probably be kicking the crap out of galactus in some future issue. :whatever:

The ironic thing is I can see what he's trying to do. BP has over the years often felt somewhat marginalised but he's gone too far in attempting to rectify this. Unbeatable heroes are ****ing boring. Christ, even sentry has weaknesses and that's what saves him from being completely boring (unless bendis is writing).

[LouFerignoDemon]

Sentry doesn't have weaknesses. Just moments where he doesn't WANT to win. >.>

[Zoken]

Does anyone really like the Sentry anyway? I mean, seriously, Bendis pulls him out of his butt and tries to say "Oh he was there all along, someone just made everyone forget". That is the most pathetic origin I've ever heard of. If the Sentry were part of some alternate universe... MAYBE we could talk, but this... it's crap.


on topic commentary. Now that the Majority of the Fantastic Four is Minority, Is Johnny Storm going to feel guilty most of the time?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Does anyone really like the Sentry anyway? I mean, seriously, Bendis pulls him out of his butt and tries to say "Oh he was there all along, someone just made everyone forget". That is the most pathetic origin I've ever heard of. If the Sentry were part of some alternate universe... MAYBE we could talk, but this... it's crap.


on topic commentary. Now that the Majority of the Fantastic Four is Minority, Is Johnny Storm going to feel guilty most of the time?

I happen to really like the Sentry. And Paul Jenkins made him. O.o

[Zoken]

I still reject the Sentry on the basis that they just wanted a character who would actually stand a chance against a DC character in an actual fight.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Maybe, but I'm sure there was more to it than that. He's actually an extremely interesting character.

[Zoken]

the Jekyll and Hyde-ish element could be found in Hulk. his "My mind was wiped" angst can be found among earlier issues of Wolverine (this is how much i dislike Sentry, I'm recommending Wolverine), what appeal is there to him?

[LouFerignoDemon]

the Jekyll and Hyde-ish element could be found in Hulk. his "My mind was wiped" angst can be found among earlier issues of Wolverine (this is how much i dislike Sentry, I'm recommending Wolverine), what appeal is there to him?

He's actually a pretty complex character. And he's not really Jekyll Hyde as much as he's Jekyll alongside Hyde. One always offsetting the other, so much power, yet so much restriction. And the given fact he's easily the most unstable of all heros.

[Red Mask]

on topic commentary. Now that the Majority of the Fantastic Four is Minority, Is Johnny Storm going to feel guilty most of the time?

Are you asking Johnny would feel awkward around black people? He's lived in New York state for a long time. Are there no black people in his hometown of Glenville, Long Island? Also, Black Panther and Storm are royalty.

[Anubis]

the Jekyll and Hyde-ish element could be found in Hulk. his "My mind was wiped" angst can be found among earlier issues of Wolverine (this is how much i dislike Sentry, I'm recommending Wolverine), what appeal is there to him?


You should read the original mini fromt he 90's.

[Zoken]

Are you asking Johnny would feel awkward around black people? He's lived in New York state for a long time. Are there no black people in his hometown of Glenville, Long Island? Also, Black Panther and Storm are royalty.

Johnny Storm is a rich white kid. he is now on a team with two blacks and one Jew. while two of them are good friends, I'm just saying he's going to feel a little oddman out. this may just be my racism cropping up (I'm middle class white and I'll admit I have my racist moments) but when we are surrounded by minorities, we can't help but feel we're expected to feel guilty about something.

[Varient]

It was the suck dude. First of all, the art was terrible. The storywriting was sooooooooo choppy and cheesy. It didn't fit in well with Civil War #7 at all. Like 100 heroes were missing, including Captain America, etc. from 42 when Cloak teleported them. The last issue seemed to let you believe this one would be explosive, but it was lackluster. For example, I thought the confrontation between Reed Richards and Storm would be something interesting.

Dry.

I thought the battle between Storm and Clor would be at least riveting.

Bland.

I honestly don't believe Hudlin knows how to write action sequences...the comic felt like he was trying to avoid having to really roll his sleeves up and get gritty with it. The whole battle between Hercules and Clor was so pathetic that we (as readers) didn't even get a chance to see it. Rather, the comic panels focused on Storm and Susan Richards jumping up and down like school girl cheerleaders full of glee as they watched the battle from afar. "Wow, did you know he was that strong?! WOW! What a finish!"

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It read like a cop-out...and like I said, the artwork made it even worse.

Just lame. :down

Don't believe I'm doing this:

1. Richards / Storm talk,... Hudlins hands are tied as to what they can talk about - two other writers with their stuff already in stone as to what will be said on the subjects in their own books.

2. storm / clor fight,... I'm satisfied because marvel ignored the folk who don't even reads the x-men regular who believed that storm could survive such a dust up,.. Hammer dodge - as I expected,.. EMP PULSE expected as something similar used against hulk,....

3. clor / herc fight,... See number one,... what can / could hudlin show that wouldn't ruin civil war?

Point:

Seeing as BP was written as on the "outskirts" of civil war,... just like he is with illuminati, xmen, and the avengers, please stop expecting him to show he can be (hudlin) as crass and cheap as some other writers.

I expect f4 will be better than anyone expects because there will be no major crossover to tie his hands,..

V.

[Red Mask]

Johnny Storm is a rich white kid. he is now on a team with two blacks and one Jew. while two of them are good friends, I'm just saying he's going to feel a little oddman out.

Well Black Panther and Storm are richer than Johnny, and the Thing is a multi-millionaire, thanks to Reed.

[Tropico]

Johnny Storm is a rich white kid. he is now on a team with two blacks and one Jew. while two of them are good friends, I'm just saying he's going to feel a little oddman out. this may just be my racism cropping up (I'm middle class white and I'll admit I have my racist moments) but when we are surrounded by minorities, we can't help but feel we're expected to feel guilty about something.

Johnny Storm is a rich white kid who has had major relationships with ALIEN women. He had a green skinned, ridged lower jaw wife! If they make him feel like you say you would feel it would be completely retarded; but then again, this is the new Marvel where apparently OOC is ok.

BTW, next time it would sound much better if you said: "...when some of us are surrounded by minorities, some of us can't help but feel we're expected to feel guilty about something. Or be even more honest and use 'I' instead of 'we', I'm sure you'll have a comeback telling me how many other people feel the same as you (friends and such).;):up:

[Zoken]

Actually, Tropico, Though I believe many others feel like me, you are right. I should have spoken only for myself. it's not like I'm allowed to speak for my race or anything, that would make me a bigot...

[32CAGE]

Well, 32, that is a difference overal in Marvel and DC's characters. Most of DC's heroes become highly powered. If memory serves correctly they have very few "street level" heroes. Marvel, currently, has kept things mostly on earth in street level situations, they are trying to balance things out with Anhilation, but most of their heroes are still street level heroes, not just their black ones.

You make a good observation that marvel tends to have more street level heroes across the board. Truth be told i like them better because things like intellect, skill, resourcefulness, tenacity and the none too important integrity is what typically causes them to rise to the challenge. Marvel has done a great job of keeping their heroes vulnerable so that we can see a little bit of hero in us too.

[Anubis]

Well Black Panther and Storm are richer than Johnny, and the Thing is a multi-millionaire, thanks to Reed.


Multi-Billionaire actually, and not anymore because the government took all his cash when he left for Paris.

[hippy fascist]

Multi-Billionaire actually, and not anymore because the government took all his cash when he left for Paris.

actually I think they just froze his accounts

[Anubis]

Yeah, but he wont be accessing it anytime soon. Either that or they'll forget he was ever rich.

[hippy fascist]

(insert cheap racist gag about jewish people and money here...) :o

[Donald Thomas]

I don't know what both marvel and Hudlin were thinking with that Doom debacle.Doom a racist? I've always thought of Doom as being above the pettiness of racism considering his intelligence. What was Marvel thinking. A black writer does not equal the sole authority on black characters. There are talented black writers out there that can do BP justice if marvel for some strange reason has to put a black writer on BP.

Aloha,
Sorry to come in late on this but how in the world could you NOT think that Dr. Doom was a racist & sexist? Dr. Doom is an Elitist in the highest sense of the word. He considers EVERYONE to be inferior to him,even his own people.The only reason he doesn't have a Master Race theory is because NO ONE is HIS equal-in his mind.I'm enjoying the Hudlin bashing almost as much as the JMS bashing.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

[Zoken]

Aloha,
Sorry to come in late on this but how in the world could you NOT think that Dr. Doom was a racist & sexist? Dr. Doom is an Elitist in the highest sense of the word. He considers EVERYONE to be inferior to him,even his own people.The only reason he doesn't have a Master Race theory is because NO ONE is HIS equal-in his mind.I'm enjoying the Hudlin bashing almost as much as the JMS bashing.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

Never heard about this fiasco... Doom a racist... I just never would have thought about it. I just figured he thought everyone was his lesser, I didn't think he had it in stages. If anything, being Roma, I would think he hated Anglo's more than anything. In any case... I just can't see Doom being a bigot unless he's just making it as an erroneous comment, you know to add insult to injury.

[hippy fascist]

3. clor / herc fight,... See number one,... what can / could hudlin show that wouldn't ruin civil war?


Black panther 25 came out after civil war 7 :huh:

Also Hudlin's content is not the problem as such, it's the way he makes BP invincible and can't tell a coherant story. The dialogue is ok but the overall plot and pacing is completely off.

Other than that, I guess it was bearable :woot:

[Darthphere]

Black panther 25 came out after civil war 7 :huh:

Also Hudlin's content is not the problem as such, it's the way he makes BP invincible and can't tell a coherant story. The dialogue is ok but the overall plot and pacing is completely off.

Other than that, I guess it was bearable :woot:

Hudlin's take on Black Panther is pathetic.:csad:

[Varient]

Black panther 25 came out after civil war 7 :huh:

Also Hudlin's content is not the problem as such, it's the way he makes BP invincible and can't tell a coherant story. The dialogue is ok but the overall plot and pacing is completely off.

Other than that, I guess it was bearable :woot:

But the timeline in it was BEFORE the happenings of CIVIL WAR seven and was obviously done and in the box before seven was finished,.. (based on how vague it was in spots and the total lack of showing key parts of the fighting.)

I'm not sure where people get the idea that hudlin writes the Panther as invincible,... he didn't whoop doom,... he didn't beat the Inhumans.

Hudlin writes BP Like he's a boxer,.. BP anticipates before entering every situation and always looks for a "neat solution"

He has been beat on,.. and I fully expect him to lose skin in the upcoming FF crossover.

But he's not unbeatable.

As for the writing? Eh,... Hudlin needs practice writing in Groups,.. when he's just writing for his book,.. he's more than adequate. But You can almost see the tip toeing he's doing around the other writers.

V.

[bulok]

It irks me that the comic community is sorely lacking in Asian superheroes. Bad enough Asians get typecast as martial artist but even in that category our representative is surpassed by a white dude. I'm really not that up to date with current superheroes but the last Azn I know of other than Sang Chi was Jubilee and she sucked ass.

[Shockdingo]

I see your point dude, well there's also Sunfire. I quite like him and he's pretty recognizable.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hudlin's take on Black Panther is pathetic.:csad:

Agreed. It's a disgusting thing.

[Vartha]

I'd like to see more of the Native Americans.
The only two familys I can think of are the Proudstar's and Wingfoot's. and the Wingfoot's weren't that weren't stereo typed.
Wyat was one of my Favorite characters, and still is.

[Union Jack]

american eagle was also shown in the recent ish of thunderbolts...he's a native american.

in all fairness its not justr the black and minorities who are in short supply...
a few more international big heroes would be nice too.
cap.britain and union jack are my favourite marvel characters but don't get enough spotlight.
it'd be nice if for the next "big event" it was a world wide one and one the encompasses more than just the american heroes.

this initiative sounds promising...but again lets see more international heroes...it was also fun seeing the thing with some french heroes too!

[hippy fascist]

I'd like to see more of the Native Americans.
The only two familys I can think of are the Proudstar's and Wingfoot's. and the Wingfoot's weren't that weren't stereo typed.
Wyat was one of my Favorite characters, and still is.

Forge is native american

[hippy fascist]

Not marvel but I figured I'd post this anyway

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Return of the Super Pimps #1
Dial “C” For Comics – July 2006 - $2,00
Written by: Richard Hamilton
Pencils/Inks by: Lilises Roman
Website: http://www.dialcforcomics.com (http://www.dialcforcomics.com/)

Rating: 4 starts (out of 4)

My video collection is full of movies like Coffy, Cleopatra Jones, Shaft, and Black Belt Jones. I’m a monster fan of the blaxploitation genre and was very happy to read that Return of the Super Pimps was a title that grows from those great seventies movies. When the cover of the first issue has a slew of heroes with Afros and purple limousine along with a tagline that says “Justice with a …STRUT!” you know you are on the right track.

The story starts off back in-or-around 1976 where an evil mind-controller named Darquefire is mesmerizing entire crowds in the hood to do his evil work. A kid on the street sees what is going on and finds them Pimpphone, dials P for Pimp, and alerts the Super Pimps who are…just sitting in their headquarters getting weeded out. Not to worry as they are already dressed in their mack-daddy pimp attire and get into their Pimpmobile (the purple limo with the license plate BTCHSLAP).

The urban avengers finally pull up and out walks Blackbeard, Ghetto Blaster, Homeboy, Sidekick, and Foxy Mama. All five bring a unique gift to the team and all five are ready to kick someone’s black ass. However Darquefire brings the heat and the team finds themselves in a weird position where even if they win…they lose. Thirty years into the future the Super Pimps are no longer the defenders of the projects and that is a shame when an old evil tries to hit the streets.

If the hood ever deserved superheroes then it deserves Return of the Super Pimps. It is an original idea that pays a great homage to those early blaxploitation flicks while bringing great, fun, and truly unique characters to the comic book public. There’s no jive turkeys here, there’s no ‘The Man’, there’s only the smooth pimpness of the Super Pimp crew and the terrific writing of Richard Hamilton who, no doubt, has grown up on Scream Blackula Scream just like I did.

The artwork of Lilises Roman brings Hamilton’s vision to life but I find myself even more impressed by the coloring work of Jasen Smith and Maria Laura. The book’s colors are vibrant and while I don’t think I’ve ever seen this much purple in a comic book in my life, the book truly pimps it and that is a great thing. Color springs off the page and gives Super Pimps a glow that makes you feel like you are almost watching the book instead of reading it. The Super Pimps themselves are quite fun and each of them with their own unique power, like Ghetto Blasters radio gloves, make me envision how great this book would be as a live action flick. Until then I’m glad this book has hit the indy scene and is well deserved of a perfect rating. You’ll be hard pressed to find a more fun read out there, though I haven’t read issue two. It will be, however, hard to beat issue one’s $2.00 price tag which makes this an easy, perfect, and cheap buy.

Can't wait to see celldog's reaction :woot:



source: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=106044

[Varient]

It irks me that the comic community is sorely lacking in Asian superheroes. Bad enough Asians get typecast as martial artist but even in that category our representative is surpassed by a white dude. I'm really not that up to date with current superheroes but the last Azn I know of other than Sang Chi was Jubilee and she sucked ass.

Actually I seem to recall That Jubilee was for a long time the Robin Analog in the Marvel Universe,.. And I was a Fan of the Silver Samurai because he was a villian only in context.

Also you guys seem to want to ignore:
Betsy Braddock who is a British woman in the body of and the shared fighting abilities of an Asian woman.
and
Coleen Wing of KnightWing Restorations,.. currently a member of "Heroes for Hire" and the only official female samurai in the MU.


I'm probably the only Guy that couldn't stand SunFire,.. but wished his Sister SunFyre wasn't killed.

[hippy fascist]

a fairly comprehensive list of marvel's asian characters

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/appasian.htm

Also nico minoru is leading the runaways which marvel has just put whedon on. that's a fairly high profile position

[terry78]

^Only because the brotha Alex got killed in action. :(

[Varient]

a fairly comprehensive list of marvel's asian characters

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/appasian.htm

Also nico minoru is leading the runaways which marvel has just put whedon on. that's a fairly high profile position

Geez.

About as Bad as the Marvel List for Blacks in the Marvel 616 universe,... Mostly Villians or reformed villians,...

I find myself depressed.

[hippy fascist]

to be fair, most of those characters are from the 60's/70's. It's no real excuse but they just didn't know any better back then :(

[Lightning Strykez!]

^Only because the brotha Alex got killed in action. :(

But of course. Black characters are always killed off in the first 15 minutes of the movie...erm, I mean, the first 5 pages of the book. :o

[hippy fascist]

But of course. Black characters are always killed off in the first 15 minutes of the movie...erm, I mean, the first 5 pages of the book. :o

they should count themselves lucky they get that much :cmad:


















:cwink:

[blksuperman2]

Not marvel but I figured I'd post this anyway

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Can't wait to see celldog's reaction :woot:



source: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=106044


LOL. WOW.

[terry78]

I would actually watch a live action version of that. :o

[Harlekin]

Super Pimps rock.

[Shockdingo]

SUper...pimps...? Ugh

[hippy fascist]

gotta dial p... for pimp

Awesome :D

[Blaktin America]

I only see 1 pimp tho

[Red Mask]

That's the silliest thing, most outdated thing I've ever seen. Makes me want to check out 99 instead.

[Rasmon Redux]

Spidey is now 'Back in Black'.... does that qualify him for inclusion in this thread?

Seriously, what's going on with Rhodey? Sure, he'll be in 'The Initiative' as an instructor/recruiter, but I'd like to see another MAX 'War Machine' series again. 'twas badass.

[Anubis]

Not really.

[deemar325]

It irks me that the comic community is sorely lacking in Asian superheroes. Bad enough Asians get typecast as martial artist but even in that category our representative is surpassed by a white dude. I'm really not that up to date with current superheroes but the last Azn I know of other than Sang Chi was Jubilee and she sucked ass.


I totally agree man, it's what I call the 'Tarzan effect' Take movies like 'Last Samuri' ,'8 Mile' or even the third Blade movie, at some point the white character has to become superior or take center stage over the minority character.

I like Iron Fist, but really that should have been a asian hero.

[deemar325]

Super Pimps, wow I don't know what to think. I'm kinda offended, but at the same time it looks pretty cool.

Oh..it's a difficult thing to be a blackman.

[terry78]

Super Pimps, wow I don't know what to think. I'm kinda offended, but at the same time it looks pretty cool.

Oh..it's a difficult thing to be a blackman.

Or in black speak, it's hard out here for a pimp.

[deemar325]

Fo'Real!


Seriously, I'm kinda intrigued by the premise yet my gut feeling is to hate it.

[T'Jai]

Gauntlet was frackin hilarious in AI#1 anyone else get/pick up/read?

nicely introduced and nicely placed looking forward to learning more :up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I liked Gauntlet.

"You! Emo boy! Your mama want a girl? Is that it? Tghat why she dressed you like that?!"

"My mother... My mother's in a mental ward, sir."

"Oh, Cry me a ****ing river, boy!"

[deemar325]

Hell yeah I like Gauntlet he's like Luis Gossett Jr. and Major Payne with super powers.

[Zoken]

I actually dislike Guantlet, but I dislike him as a person, not a character. I think that's a mark of a good writer, that while you dislike characters, you like the story.

[Varient]

I actually dislike Guantlet, but I dislike him as a person, not a character. I think that's a mark of a good writer, that while you dislike characters, you like the story.

Point.

My dislike is this "Giant robo-hand" Superhero thing / Kick Marvel is into right now.

I'm Waiting for characters with "Giant robo-Foot" or some "other" body parts.

HEH.

"Oh no! It's the Feminazi's ,.. Put out the call for Gimpy the Three legged man with his Telescoping action!"

:oldrazz:

As Characters Go,... He's "Standard DI,...."
75% of his tude is an act he turns off when he goes home.

[Yonel]

I really, really want Djimon Hounsou for Black Panther. He really doesn't get enough parts in Hollywood for such a talented actor.
To me, he's a bit 2 old.

[Yonel]

Yo, that was really cool, where'd you get that? Is there more?

[deemar325]

I'm digging Gauntlet, we'll see how he developes under Slott.

[Kitsune]

Personally I think Gauntlet so far is a 2dimension stereotype. I'm still waiting for him to make the "Steers and queers" comment.

[deemar325]

I've served in the military(8yrs/retired/E-6) and guy it's the Drill Instructor's play book to break down the recruit to insult them and slow chip away their individuality so as to build a better soldier.

It's not that Drills are malicsious and evil people, but they have to shock the recruit into the seriousness of the situation. Hell several of my closest friend are Drill Instructors and it's part of the structured training. How can you trust someone in a combat situation if they can't do their job under pressure? If an insult from a Drill is gonna keep you from being a becoming a soldier then you never had the potential to be one anyway.

[Lightning Strykez!]

So is anyone feeling BP and Storm as members of the Fantastic Four?

[Muze]

So is anyone feeling BP and Storm as members of the Fantastic Four?

i'm liking that McDuffie is writing this. the two characters are a natural fit though; meeting the 'family' aspect of the Fantastic Four.

Hell yeah I like Gauntlet he's like Luis Gossett Jr. and Major Payne with super powers.


i like him. he's a stereotype but not a negative stereotype. and, for once, he's a black character with some status. the military obviously thinks high of this guy; attitude and all.

I totally agree man, it's what I call the 'Tarzan effect' Take movies like 'Last Samuri' ,'8 Mile' or even the third Blade movie, at some point the white character has to become superior or take center stage over the minority character.



I like Iron Fist, but really that should have been a asian hero.



why? Shang Chi is the #1 asian martial artist. it'd be kind of stingy to deny white people Danny Rand. afterall, black people have Abe Brown. latinos have both White Tigers. etc.

[Démon]

Vie geht es Inehn?


"Wie geht es Ihnen?". Ich studiere Deutsch. :woot: Taking up Russian next semester, too.

[sandwraith]

I'm guessing by this point in the thread the issue of Hispanic and Muslim characters has been disscussed?

As for the Asian bit...When the West thinks Asian I notice the first thing they imagine are Japanese, Chinese, Korean guys/gals. Thais maybe, Vietnamese only in comic books like The 'Nam or Punisher Born and Central Asians, South Asians and such never. Okay fine, South Asians were never noticeable to begin with but it be nice to see Asians which are NOT from the aforementioned countries. Heck a Vietnamese supercommando this side of Frank Castle should exist. The Vietnamese fought the French, the Japanese, the Americans and later thanks to Pol Pot, the Chinese and the Cambodians. If that ain't tough I don't know what is.

[Zoken]

I believe the X-Men "New Mutant" named Karma is vietnamese

[sandwraith]

As was Flash Thompson's Vietnamese lover and Karma's brother but they never evolved beyond the point of being plot devices. They were Vietnamese because of the era. When that era faded from the minds of Americans they became less than second stringers. Moreover, writers tend to dwell on the sexual attraction of Asian women rather than build a working Asian character. Just look at characters like Mantis, Cheshire, and as you mentioned, Karma. Its like all Asian men beat their wives and rape women or something.

However...a character like Bengal might change that. Might. Very unlikely but might.

[Zoken]

You know, I think I figured out the cause of them getting left out... I know what is cuasing Marvel comics to neglect the creation of Heroes from these countries and minority heroes in general...

....

wait for it...

...
Marvel comics is run by Americans.

More than likely, MALE Americans.

And with a good chance of them being WHITE MALE AMERICANS.

We tend to be a rather short sited group, ignoring a lot of the world around us for what we WANT to see.

[terry78]

^Better watch it, you'll get blasted for being a victim of white guilt. :rolleyes:

[Memphis Slim]

Where Black Panther is concerned........

I like this character. But he is just a human being. A very smart and very athletic "human".

Yet I just read FF#545 and I'm still like .....PUHLEEEZZZ!!! :whatever: T'challa has the Silver Surfer in a wrestling hold???

And the Surfer can't break free??? And how the heck is he gonna tear off the Surfer's arm??? Wouldn't that mean that some how the Panther can rip thru the Galactus- created silver coating that keeps ol' Norrin's limbs attached in the first place?? As he has to be rescued by Star Dust??

Look...I know that since Hudlin took over the Panther, there seems to be an all out effort to up his cred to new heights. I'm okay with that. But only to a point when it just looks silly or forced.

There is no way in the universe that should have happened. No way. The Surfer could have just given off a force field to repell him or super heated or turned the Panther into atoms .........etc etc.........


Am I the only one to see this??

[Zoken]

^Better watch it, you'll get blasted for being a victim of white guilt. :rolleyes:


Okay, NOW I'm confused.

"White Guilt". You mean I'll be accused of feeling guilty because I'm white? No, I'm just making a broad sweeping generalization that couldn't be any more true than if I said "Blacks are over sensitive regarding racial issues". Sure, maybe I could find a great deal of them who are, but it would prove nothing other than I went looking for black people who were over sensitive to racial issues... and that I had FAR too much free time.

I just tend to look at the world and make observations. Americans, on the whole, are fairly unconcerned with what happens outside of our country. Men have a poor attention span as it is, so that only increases that fact. and Whites... well, we tend to see things through rose colored glasses when it comes to racial issues, so we obviously ignore a lot of things.

[RockSP]

why? Shang Chi is the #1 asian martial artist. it'd be kind of stingy to deny white people Danny Rand. afterall, black people have Abe Brown. latinos have both White Tigers. etc.

Come on...Abe Brown might as well not exist. If you count him then you have to count Bob Diamond for the whites, too. And lol at "denying" white people anything in a Marvel or DC comic where 99.9999999% of the characters are white.

[Colossal Spoons]

So is anyone feeling BP and Storm as members of the Fantastic Four?

No, it seems very forced and T'Challa doesn't mesh well with Ben AT ALL.

[Darthphere]

No, it seems very forced and T'Challa doesn't mesh well with Ben AT ALL.

And thats why it works. They're dysfunctional, just like the OG Fantastic Four, they don't need to get along, they just need to work together.

[Anubis]

Can't wait for them to eventually get into it.

[Memphis Slim]

No, it seems very forced and T'Challa doesn't mesh well with Ben AT ALL.


It does seem forced in that T'Challa can take on the Silver Surfer in a wrestling hold??????? Are you kidding???

[Havok83]

I dont like the Panther and Storm there either

[Darthphere]

It does seem forced in that T'Challa can take on the Silver Surfer in a wrestling hold??????? Are you kidding???

Like everything, you overblow and take out of context. It's obvious that the Surfer was holding back because he didn't want to hirt his friends, therefore T'Challa took advantage of that and put on his reverse chicken wing.

[Anubis]

Which surfer could have easily broken, but he didn't, because he wanted to hear what he had to say. Plus BP smells like strawberries.

[Zoken]

They do feel forced, and yeah, maybe the Surfer wanted to hear more from them, but that wasn't what BP said. What BP said was that anatomically the Surfer could not break the hold, which is ludicrous. I think they are over reaching with his character. I think they should have had him remain behind and play the part that Dethlok did. it wasn't necessary for Dethlok to come especially if he is de-powered. T'Challa is brilliant and an excellent hand to hand fighter, but these are Heralds of Galactus we're talking about, he's just out of his league (as is the rest of the Four, but on a different level)

[Darthphere]

It's called talking ****, BP is one of the best.

[Zoken]

I don't buy it. Silver Surfer would have known he was a baseline. there's no way the line works.

[Darthphere]

Surfer can incinerate BP's ass in a second. Really, Surfer just let him talk the talk.

[Zoken]

true, but how did BP know that would happen. he coudln't.

[samurai black]

T'Challa is brilliant and an excellent hand to hand fighter, but these are Heralds of Galactus we're talking about, he's just out of his league (as is the rest of the Four, but on a different level)

I think that's the reason why he's so impressive. In the midst of beings with unimaginable power, he keeps a cool head and devises a great strategy.

[Darthphere]

true, but how did BP know that would happen. he coudln't.

He took a calculated risk and it paid off.

[Zoken]

double post

[Zoken]

I'm still calling BS and bad writting. BP is a great character. however, I want himstanding against characters like Doom, Namor, Stark, and Magneto. He's political and proficient. Not cosmics. I mean this would be as bad as if here were on the streets of New York having trouble fighting the Shocker.

[Darthphere]

BP has beaten Mephisto before.

[Zoken]

????????????

wait, wait, wait!

I thought all he had was hand to hand fighting skills and some nifty vibranium weaponry!?

[Darthphere]

Yup, but he defeated Mephisto either way. Look it up, because it's fairly complicated.

[Zoken]

Well then why doesn't he pull out of his ass whatever he pulled out of his ass last time?

[deemar325]

Yeah that was a great run the way Priest had Panther defeat Mephisto was so matter-of-fact and common sensey it's awesome.


hi

[Zoken]

Deemar... buddy... pal... Get your Elaborate Ebony Posterior to the How WOuld you do it thread and READ! Or you shall face the wrath of Mr. Sprinkles! **Holds a confused looking kitten aloft menacingly**

[deemar325]

LOL! whattup Z!


Yeah I've been slackin' I've peeped some of the newer stuff that Question and you got posted.

[Zoken]

Marvel's Inter-Racial couples:

I know about Luke and Jessica, and Hank and Bonita, are there any others or is that a little too tabo?

[Harlekin]

Iron Fist and Misty Knight got it right the first time.

[La The Darkman]

Well then why doesn't he pull out of his ass whatever he pulled out of his ass last time?

Well actually he sort of will. According to the previews for the next issue the fabled "Galactus contingency plan" from Priest's run is about to finally be revealed in addition to King Solomon's Frogs.

[Memphis Slim]

I'm still calling BS and bad writting. BP is a great character. however, I want himstanding against characters like Doom, Namor, Stark, and Magneto. He's political and proficient. Not cosmics. I mean this would be as bad as if here were on the streets of New York having trouble fighting the Shocker.



Wow...somebody with some common sense!!


BP is not on par with the Surfer!! He's just a guy!! An exceptional guy...but still a guy.

There just seems to be this forced "Hudlinization" of this character to make him more than he is!

I mean "Star Dust" rolls in and dispatches BP & Ben with no problem.

[Anubis]

Wow, you still don't get.

[Memphis Slim]

Wow, you still don't get.


No. I don't think you get it. Was there a thought balloon with Surfer thinking that he wanted to hear what BP had to say? I didn't see it. And that is a stretch just to make your point.

BP said he'd tear off the Surfer's arm if he tried to break free. Plain and simple. Which was just stupid. It's like Bruce Wayne having Superman in some exotic wrestling hold. It makes no sense.

[Memphis Slim]

And how did they know wher to find the "ultimate nullifer"??? And even if they knew where it was, surely Utau would have had it under security that only another Watcher could break.

Is the Watcher that sloppy??

[Harlekin]

Look, McDuffie himself has stated that scene was not intended to give people the idea that Panther could beat the Surfer and that it really was a bluff.

[Zoken]

Still doesn't excuse the fact that it was a poorly written scene

[ANTOINE X]

I know I m late in this thread I but have to ask: What do you think of Marvel turning white super hero in to black or other race? Don t you think its lazy and delicate? I mean when you know that they changed nick fury just to have samuel to play the actor I think it s none sence. Why not create new ethnic super hero instead?

[32CAGE]

I know I m late in this thread I but have to ask: What do you think of Marvel turning white super hero in to black or other race? Don t you think its lazy and delicate? I mean when you know that they changed nick fury just to have samuel to play the actor I think it s none sence. Why not create new ethnic super hero instead?

My preference like yours is the creation of new characters rather than the reinvention of old ones. Its nice to see new minority characters like Guantlet in Avengers the Initiative.

[Hound89]

Yup, but he defeated Mephisto either way. Look it up, because it's fairly complicated.

And squirl girl beat thanos

Its called a fluke

[Zoken]

HEY! you can trash talk BP all you want, but You start hating on SG, and we're going to have a problem

[rigel7soldiers]

But T'Challa beat the fantastic four by himself, right? He's no ordinary no-powers scrub.

[The Question]

He actually does have powers. He has superhuman senses (akin to Wolverine), and I believe Captain America level physical atributes.

[Zoken]

He still wouldn't be a match for SS mano-a-mano

[freemadison]

Why aren't there more (any?) minority characters that aren't of "street-level" power? The only person I can think of is Sunfire...One of the reasons I found John Stewart in the JLU cartoon to be so fascinating...was that the cosmic cop representing planet Earth was a brother. How about some minorities with some ****ing influence...

And while we're at it, can we get some more Middle Eastern characters in the MU for chrissakes? I mean, that one chick from New X-Men is a start, but honestly...the full Muslim gear? :ninja: Goddamn....Not every brown person is Muslim and many female Muslim Americans don't feel the need to cover up when they're not confined by the laws of Muslim Republics (like Iran, for example, where it's the LAW to cover up).

[Zoken]

Chill Madison.

You want a minority with power, how about T'Challa. a black man who runs one of the most powerful nations on the planet.

Firebird, Bonita, is fairly powerful.

Ben Grimm is jewish

Magneto is a Gypsy (For that matter so are his kids and Dr. Doom)

War Machine is Black

Gauntlet is black, AND has been serving as a soldier in Iraq until recalled to work for the initiative.

Muslim characters? Well It's kind of hard because Islam is a very disciplined religion. Dusk does not wear her burqa because she's following Iranian laws, she wears it out of modesty (which is probably influenced by her faith). The same reason you probably don't go parading down the street in a banana-hammock.

[Anubis]

Arabian Knight and that chick from New X-Men....and that's about it.

[Tropico]

Sabra? Freedom Force had to rescue some dude from a Middle Eastern super powered group, Arabian Knight was one of them. So, there's more than half a dozen of them.:o

Edit: I know Sabra is Jewish; this isn't in response to the Muslim characters but rather in response to the Middle Eastern comment.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I know I m late in this thread I but have to ask: What do you think of Marvel turning white super hero in to black or other race? Don t you think its lazy and delicate? I mean when you know that they changed nick fury just to have samuel to play the actor I think it s none sence. Why not create new ethnic super hero instead?
It wasn't simply just to have a minority or something. Nick Fury was created to symbolize "cool" of the time. 616 Fury was made after a movie star of his time (who's name I forget).
But T'Challa beat the fantastic four by himself, right? He's no ordinary no-powers scrub.

He used tech and such to beat them if I remember correctly.

[sandwraith]

Chill Madison.

You want a minority with power, how about T'Challa. a black man who runs one of the most powerful nations on the planet.

Firebird, Bonita, is fairly powerful.

Ben Grimm is jewish

Magneto is a Gypsy (For that matter so are his kids and Dr. Doom)

War Machine is Black

Gauntlet is black, AND has been serving as a soldier in Iraq until recalled to work for the initiative.

Muslim characters? Well It's kind of hard because Islam is a very disciplined religion. Dusk does not wear her burqa because she's following Iranian laws, she wears it out of modesty (which is probably influenced by her faith). The same reason you probably don't go parading down the street in a banana-hammock.

The funny thing is even in Iran the women don't were the burqa so extensively. They usually just were headscarves pulled back slightly to reveal a little hair in a quasi-fashionable way. The burqa in truth is only enforced in Saudi and the other Emirate countries. You look at Syria which pretty much has no royalty anymore (or oil) but are still pretty liberal as compared to the rest of the Arab Middle East save Egypt which is pretty much a quagmire of cultures trying to coexist (unsuccessfully). The only reason Syria ever gets a bad rap in the media is becauseof their stance towards Israel which automatically makes them an enemy of the West.

What about Sirocco from DC?

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I know I m late in this thread I but have to ask: What do you think of Marvel turning white super hero in to black or other race? Don t you think its lazy and delicate? I mean when you know that they changed nick fury just to have samuel to play the actor I think it s none sence. Why not create new ethnic super hero instead?

I'm not concerned about race at all... It's moronoc laziness that bugs me.
You are correct... why not simply create new, fresh characters rather than simply continuing to ride Stan's coattails?

I'll tell you.

Because that would take creativity and involve taking some risks. Joey don't play that. He'll tweak someone else's creation and say, "look at how fascinatingly talented I am." Right.

[freemadison]

Chill Madison.

Oh. Saying **** or goddamn doesn't mean i'm angry...that's just my ****ing vernacular :woot:

You want a minority with power, how about T'Challa. a black man who runs one of the most powerful nations on the planet.

I like him. Even if he's being a bit forced down our throats.

Firebird, Bonita, is fairly powerful.

:dry:

Ben Grimm is jewish

You forgot to mention Kitty Pryde. And when Stan Lee was writing Spidey you could've made a case for him too (Spidey's a WASP, which i suppose makes sense if he's the most "relatable" character).

I wouldn't know that Grimm or Pryde were Jewish unless they told me (and there are PLENTY of Jews who couldn't necessarily "pass" for WASPs, for example, Jesus is anglicized by Western artists but he probably looks more like a "terrorist" who let himself go)

Magneto is a Gypsy (For that matter so are his kids and Dr. Doom)

Villains...yay...how "appropriate" considering gypsies have constantly been villainized throughout their history...

War Machine is Black

And if he wasn't...he'd be pretty redundant eh?

Gauntlet is black, AND has been serving as a soldier in Iraq until recalled to work for the initiative.

I still don't know what to think of him...he fulfills a stereotype but not necessarily a racial one (whites are ******* drill sergeants too :woot:). I'm interested in what Slott will do with him.

Muslim characters? Well It's kind of hard because Islam is a very disciplined religion. Dusk does not wear her burqa because she's following Iranian laws, she wears it out of modesty (which is probably influenced by her faith). The same reason you probably don't go parading down the street in a banana-hammock.

....I know that....my point is that most American female Muslims I know DON'T do that. Of course, I've met some who do and it's for understandable reasons of faith. I guess our ethnocentric culture just has to pull out the most extreme stereotypes before we can finally get a glimpse of a balanced "ethnic" character. It's the equivalent of other countries assuming all Americans are primarily characterized by wearing Blue Jeans, eating McDonalds, and watching old John Travolta films (surprisingly, a lot of people think this...:csad:).

I mean, like it was pointed out earlier, many of the Black and Asian characters in the MU were introduced in the 70's (Shang Chi, Luke Cage) and follow some expected stereotypes of the time (Martial Arts Master, Blaxploitation Action Star).

Well the 00's are the brown man's 70's. No one knows anything about us. So let's trot out the easy representations that Americans are fascinated by (Kung Fu, "Street Smarts", Sexy Asian Chicks, Burqa's, and generic villain cannon fodder....Hand Ninjas anyone?) . I know I'm not saying anything particularly new nor am i saying i don't get it (cause i do...and for some reason that pains me), i'm just venting about how annoying it is to know that the only time i'll see a brown man in a comic book is when Superman is busting terrorists or when Black Adam (although, i guess you could say HE's brown) demolishes the Middle East....or when Arabian Knight comes to the rescue....or when that burqa chick manipulates sand (:whatever:) or whatever....

[ANTOINE X]

Since Falcon is one the first black super hero in Marvel, don t you think they should do a movie? he s not my favorit but with some good writer and good director maybe it would work?

[Kitsune]

Since Falcon is one the first black super hero in Marvel, don t you think they should do a movie? he s not my favorit but with some good writer and good director maybe it would work?

Blackpanther was the first, but I think Falcon was the first Marvel black hero not to have "Black" as part of his name.

[ANTOINE X]

Blackpanther was the first, but I think Falcon was the first Marvel black hero not to have "Black" as part of his name.



He s also the first African American marvel super hero.

[OZONE]

I think Marvels characters and on the back burner, but I dont think they are obsolete, pretty much in realism they are a reflection of or worlds diversity. There are more whites typically in the comic arena than browns or other colors, but that pretty much is the same throughout the world. Here is the problem, the minority characters are generally stronger than the white ones so development isnt really necessary, consider this. Storm, yes I know she is just easiest to explain the complexities, she is argueably the ultimate character. Now here me out. She is a female black sorceress/god/mutant who: is actually completely different than any other character ever created. Her powers are technically her period. She doesnt control the weather or patters, she is them. She is affected by Nature whether she wants to be or not, not the other way around which is the basis for practically every other mutant. Her powers dont come in how she controls them but how she controls herself. Even if she was happy on a perfect day, her immediate weather is reflecting a better degree of weather as its reflection, the weather doesnt just change when she is mad, therefore she is always ONE with nature and no other conjurer or elemental controller can come close. I know thor and she have fought and he is ALMOST a god, a hero who really isnt much without his hammer and his armor belt...if that is even logical. And how does the god of thunder and lightning control winds and weather? How does that work? electricity is not a weather phenomena it would exist without weather and thunder? ok uh that doesnt do anything but make a noise. Forge, Bishop, Shard and others' powers are also supreme level, Bishop has the ability to absorb anything into him and shoot it back out or release it, Forge can create any device he wants. Understand that just with these 3 black mutants Nothing in the world or universe could stop them, and its for this reason that these characters arent/dont need developement. There powers only depend on their opponent, the stronger the opponent the stronger they are not even by choice. Often these characters are given moral drawbacks or pasts that govern their powers, which is silly. They dont use more minorities because honestly there is no room, they have too many dumb non minority ones...they arent dumb because they arent minority its just that there is so many they are trying to appeal to everyone instead of making everyone appeal to them. If anyone really feels hurt or dismayed by the fact that they dont have or use blacks or others as much there is always civil courts that will make them modify themselves so speak up if it bothers u.

[rigel7soldiers]

Earlier someone brought up Dust, and I think she's actually a good character; It's her choice to wear an abaya, and she's not a big jerk about it, either. She's just religious, and I don't think it's racist at all for her to be that way, because there are actual people like that. And she isn't American, anyway...

I had no idea T'Challa had powers. Hm. Is that just a Black Panther thing, did T'Chaka have them, too?

I feel like The Falcon could use way more exposure. He's been Cap's pal for decades, and he's been kicked to the curb. He's also Harlem's resident superhero, and despite the overabundance of superheroes in the state of New York, apparently Marvel feels he can cover that area by himself.

[T'Jai]

he (falcon)is currently one of the stars of the now dead Cap's book so...

[Darthphere]

And squirl girl beat thanos

Its called a fluke

Um, no.

[Kitsune]

You know the whole Black Panther/Silver Surfer thing could be worse. They could have Show BP and SS in one frame, and the next frame the Surfer is on the ground unconscious.

[moraldeficiency]

You know the whole Black Panther/Silver Surfer thing could be worse. They could have Show BP and SS in one frame, and the next frame the Surfer is on the ground unconscious.

See I'd be much better with that. Then at least I could have reasoned that BP had some device to take out SS using his own power against him or something moderately believable, but having wrestling one up the power cosmic?

[RockSP]

but having wrestling one up the power cosmic?

Did you read the comic or are you just going off what others have said? Cuz Panther didn't actually beat him until the next issue and it wasn't with wrestling moves.

[deemar325]

I think Marvels characters and on the back burner, but I dont think they are obsolete, pretty much in realism they are a reflection of or worlds diversity. There are more whites typically in the comic arena than browns or other colors, but that pretty much is the same throughout the world. Here is the problem, the minority characters are generally stronger than the white ones so development isnt really necessary, consider this. Storm, yes I know she is just easiest to explain the complexities, she is argueably the ultimate character. Now here me out. She is a female black sorceress/god/mutant who: is actually completely different than any other character ever created. Her powers are technically her period. She doesnt control the weather or patters, she is them. She is affected by Nature whether she wants to be or not, not the other way around which is the basis for practically every other mutant. Her powers dont come in how she controls them but how she controls herself. Even if she was happy on a perfect day, her immediate weather is reflecting a better degree of weather as its reflection, the weather doesnt just change when she is mad, therefore she is always ONE with nature and no other conjurer or elemental controller can come close. I know thor and she have fought and he is ALMOST a god, a hero who really isnt much without his hammer and his armor belt...if that is even logical. And how does the god of thunder and lightning control winds and weather? How does that work? electricity is not a weather phenomena it would exist without weather and thunder? ok uh that doesnt do anything but make a noise. Forge, Bishop, Shard and others' powers are also supreme level, Bishop has the ability to absorb anything into him and shoot it back out or release it, Forge can create any device he wants. Understand that just with these 3 black mutants Nothing in the world or universe could stop them, and its for this reason that these characters arent/dont need developement. There powers only depend on their opponent, the stronger the opponent the stronger they are not even by choice. Often these characters are given moral drawbacks or pasts that govern their powers, which is silly. They dont use more minorities because honestly there is no room, they have too many dumb non minority ones...they arent dumb because they arent minority its just that there is so many they are trying to appeal to everyone instead of making everyone appeal to them. If anyone really feels hurt or dismayed by the fact that they dont have or use blacks or others as much there is always civil courts that will make them modify themselves so speak up if it bothers u.

Wha?! your kidding right?

Quick note Forge is Native American and it's debatable if Bishop is even "Black" in the African sense of the word, and too many black characters, guy theres barely enough at least any superheroes of any real significance. for every Storm we get Fasto, for every Luke Cage we get Rocket Racer, hell even when we get a black character of cosmic or godly level power it's Black racer who's basically a old black guy possessed by a New God riding on skiis, so he was never black to begin with.

Most Black heroes are usually kept in check when it comes to both power level and importance on a team, that's changing of course with Luke Cage leading the Avengers and Storm's leadership with the X-men, but make no mistake it's always known that the white hero is really in charge or just predisposed too lead. We all know Cyclops is top dog in the X-men as he should be and we know that Luke will get the boot as soon as Captain America is back from the grave. Even Patriot in Young Avengers is slowly but surely gonna be upsurbed by Hawkeye II. I don't think it's something most writers do on purpose, but the black hero is always gonna get short shrift.

[sandwraith]

Cage will only get the boot because of all the New Avengers he's sorely lacking in the history department. He doesn't have as much of a backstory as the fellow Avengers. Moreover Bendis writes him as a jerk. I much prefer his days as Power Man.

Patriot's only gonna get usurped because Hawkeye II is a single white female with legs and spunk. No, not even the Red, White and Blue can fight that.

Actually I was wondering how you guys feel about about minority characters' who's racial backgrounds aren't obvious? I really loved Jim Valentino's Shadowhawk (Paul Johnstone) and felt that he was an excellent character. While as Shadowhawk he did't do anything...I dunno how to say this with offending...distinctively "black" the way Luke Cage does. Same goes with Deathlok (one of my all time 90's faves) where the Deathlok cyborg was Michael Collins who was a very richly developed character. I guess Spawn counts too...but I don't really like Spawn.

[moraldeficiency]

Did you read the comic or are you just going off what others have said? Cuz Panther didn't actually beat him until the next issue and it wasn't with wrestling moves.

Read the issue. Didn't know we were only talking about one issue I thought we were talking about the event. It was stupid and shouldn't have happened. He used space kung-fu, clearly.

[T'Chaka]

"Most Black heroes are usually kept in check when it comes to both power level and importance on a team..."

-I've always felt that way too. The Black male super heroes are either a white hero's sidekick (i.e. Falcon, War Machine, Battlestar) or a just a C-list hero that might get his own title for a hot minute, but will primarily be doing cameos (i.e. Brother Voodoo, Night Thrasher, Deathlok) in other people's books. Recent events have seen to it that Black Panther and Luke Cage no longer fit these descriptions. I've also noticed that when Marvel DOES get around to creating a superhero who happens to be a brotha, they end up not being all that powerful. Panther, Blade & Cage all kick a** in their own right, but Marvel doesn't have any brothas on Thor's level. Honestly, most of Marvel's Black superheroes wouldn't even beat Spider-Man. A lot of them aren't any more powerful than the Punisher. Why is that? Marvel doesn't seem to have this problem when it comes to giving sistas super powers. Storm can control the weather. Monica Rambeau (don't know her alias right now) has all kinds of electromagnetic powers. Blade has a sword. Night Thrasher and Rocket Racer ride skateboards. Sweet.
-As far as teams go, it seems that most of the Black characters are just there for the sake of diversity. Marvel seems to be getting better at this with regard to Cage, Storm, and Panther, though.

[moraldeficiency]

"Most Black heroes are usually kept in check when it comes to both power level and importance on a team..."

-I've always felt that way too. The Black male super heroes are either a white hero's sidekick (i.e. Falcon, War Machine, Battlestar) or a just a C-list hero that might get his own title for a hot minute, but will primarily be doing cameos (i.e. Brother Voodoo, Night Thrasher, Deathlok) in other people's books. Recent events have seen to it that Black Panther and Luke Cage no longer fit these descriptions. I've also noticed that when Marvel DOES get around to creating a superhero who happens to be a brotha, they end up not being all that powerful. Panther, Blade & Cage all kick a** in their own right, but Marvel doesn't have any brothas on Thor's level. Honestly, most of Marvel's Black superheroes wouldn't even beat Spider-Man. A lot of them aren't any more powerful than the Punisher. Why is that? Marvel doesn't seem to have this problem when it comes to giving sistas super powers. Storm can control the weather. Monica Rambeau (don't know her alias right now) has all kinds of electromagnetic powers. Blade has a sword. Night Thrasher and Rocket Racer ride skateboards. Sweet.
-As far as teams go, it seems that most of the Black characters are just there for the sake of diversity. Marvel seems to be getting better at this with regard to Cage, Storm, and Panther, though.

Welcome to the hype, and I agree. Other than Rambeau there are no upper echleon black characters. Hey what ever happened to that guy they had during Infinity Crusade? the strong guy that could up his density?

[terry78]

Now when you have a brotha with the power of say, Sentry, that would be a good start. But they ain't about to do that...he has TOO much pull in that case. Storm is probably the only one that could take out hundreds if not thousands of enemies in one fell swoop but she never has the opportunity to do so. If there is an army of creatures all she has to do is create a typhoon or a lightning or hail storm to take them out.

[ANTOINE X]

I liked bishop with the long hair it breaks the stereotype that afro Americans look all the same with the bald air , I mean black panther, luke cage are already bald.... Altough I am also bald :woot:.

[Darthphere]

"Most Black heroes are usually kept in check when it comes to both power level and importance on a team..."

-I've always felt that way too. The Black male super heroes are either a white hero's sidekick (i.e. Falcon, War Machine, Battlestar) or a just a C-list hero that might get his own title for a hot minute, but will primarily be doing cameos (i.e. Brother Voodoo, Night Thrasher, Deathlok) in other people's books. Recent events have seen to it that Black Panther and Luke Cage no longer fit these descriptions. I've also noticed that when Marvel DOES get around to creating a superhero who happens to be a brotha, they end up not being all that powerful. Panther, Blade & Cage all kick a** in their own right, but Marvel doesn't have any brothas on Thor's level. Honestly, most of Marvel's Black superheroes wouldn't even beat Spider-Man. A lot of them aren't any more powerful than the Punisher. Why is that? Marvel doesn't seem to have this problem when it comes to giving sistas super powers. Storm can control the weather. Monica Rambeau (don't know her alias right now) has all kinds of electromagnetic powers. Blade has a sword. Night Thrasher and Rocket Racer ride skateboards. Sweet.
-As far as teams go, it seems that most of the Black characters are just there for the sake of diversity. Marvel seems to be getting better at this with regard to Cage, Storm, and Panther, though.

Not this again.

Have you guys seen my creation Soul Ghost?:o

[T'Chaka]

Not this again.

Have you guys seen my creation Soul Ghost?:o

Can't say that I've ever heard of it. Please enlighten me.

[Kitsune]

Wha?! your kidding right?

Quick note Forge is Native American and it's debatable if Bishop is even "Black" in the African sense of the word, and too many black characters, guy theres barely enough at least any superheroes of any real significance. for every Storm we get Fasto, for every Luke Cage we get Rocket Racer, hell even when we get a black character of cosmic or godly level power it's Black racer who's basically a old black guy possessed by a New God riding on skiis, so he was never black to begin with.

Most Black heroes are usually kept in check when it comes to both power level and importance on a team, that's changing of course with Luke Cage leading the Avengers and Storm's leadership with the X-men, but make no mistake it's always known that the white hero is really in charge or just predisposed too lead. We all know Cyclops is top dog in the X-men as he should be and we know that Luke will get the boot as soon as Captain America is back from the grave. Even Patriot in Young Avengers is slowly but surely gonna be upsurbed by Hawkeye II. I don't think it's something most writers do on purpose, but the black hero is always gonna get short shrift.
This isn't a new phenomena, even as pigemntaitionally challenged as I am I have noticed it. Back when I first started reading Avengers Monica Rambeau was an effective leader of the Avengers until editorial decided they wanted to bring Captain America back as leader. I remember reading that the writer at that time actually quit because editorial wanted him to make Monica incompetent, to hightlite how good Cap was. I pretty much dropped the Ultimate line when they killed off Gwen Stacy before we were even given a chance to like the character, but I seem to recall Ultimate Nick Fury was pretty cool.

[Darthphere]

Im writing a letter to DC and Marvel to make some token cosmic black characters like "Cosmic Brotha" And "Soul Ghost" maybe even "Galactic Gangbanger"

Can't say that I've ever heard of it. Please enlighten me.

First Soul Ghost sketch

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/marcovthebeast/DSC00475.jpg

Don't have a scanner at home so quality is crap. I just need to work out some costume details.

SOOOOOOUUUULLLLLLL GHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSTTTT
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/marcovthebeast/Soulghost.jpg

he has a clock necklace by request of The Leaguer.

For context purposes:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=243143&highlight=Soul+Ghost


:o :wow: :wow: :o :wow:

[T'Chaka]

He just needs two teenage sidekicks and a monkey, then he'll be good to go.

[Varient]

And squirl girl beat thanos

Its called a fluke

.....................

No.

[PhotoJones]

What's with Soul Ghost's little circle above his soul crotch?

[Varient]

Not this again.

Have you guys seen my creation Soul Ghost?:o

Looks like :
Martian Manhunter?

Vision in cornrows?

Nice scatter effect with the light though.

[RockSP]

I don't think it's something most writers do on purpose, but the black hero is always gonna get short shrift.

"...at Marvel and DC" should have been at the end of that sentence. People should check out some independent comics if they want to see black characters created by black creators and thus most likely devoid of automatic stereotype syndrome. Kevin Grevioux's Vindicators, for example.

[Red Mask]

Soul Ghost looks like a cousin to the Black Racer. (Yes, he's black too.)

[ANTOINE X]

What's with Soul Ghost's little circle above his soul crotch?


what do u think :woot:

[ANTOINE X]

ok i think I missed something
WTFis "Cosmic Brotha" And "Soul Ghost" maybe even "Galactic Gangbanger"??? your joking right? because this is more than stereotype :huh:

[Darthphere]

ok i think I missed something
WTFis "Cosmic Brotha" And "Soul Ghost" maybe even "Galactic Gangbanger"??? your joking right? because this is more than stereotype :huh:

What is it, in your opinion?

Of course, I provided a link for contextual purpose to avoid such claims.

[PhotoJones]

what do u think :woot:

Nuclear pubes? :confused:

[ANTOINE X]

What is it, in your opinion?

Of course, I provided a link for contextual purpose to avoid such claims.

ah! ok...Altough I think Marvel have done a good job so far by making luke cage leader also black panther end storm in ff4 my only concern with marvel is the laziness of doing that michael jackson white to black thing. Instead of changing kinping and Nick fury to black just create some new etnic super heroes. As for DC there s loooooot of work to do!

[ANTOINE X]

Nuclear pubes? :confused:

nah! forget it. not really what I had in mind

[rigel7soldiers]

It seems that, in the face of complaints like these, whenever they try to bring a character back into focus, they have to ruthlessly update them, thereby attaching a gimmick. It seems like black characters specifically can't be revived without them becoming "CAGE, motha!"

Anyone else remember that? CAGE, by Ennis? If Ennis has anything to say about Carl Lucas, it's that his only consistant personality trait is violence and aggression. That aside, he is completely shaped by the times and trends. He's what Garth Ennis thinks black people think is cool. He's not an upstanding member of the community, he'd be a nobody if he didn't have superpowers. I hated that depiction of the character.

[MaskedManJRK]

It seems that, in the face of complaints like these, whenever they try to bring a character back into focus, they have to ruthlessly update them, thereby attaching a gimmick. It seems like black characters specifically can't be revived without them becoming "CAGE, motha!"

Anyone else remember that? CAGE, by Ennis? If Ennis has anything to say about Carl Lucas, it's that his only consistant personality trait is violence and aggression. That aside, he is completely shaped by the times and trends. He's what Garth Ennis thinks black people think is cool. He's not an upstanding member of the community, he'd be a nobody if he didn't have superpowers. I hated that depiction of the character.

I haven't read the CAGE book you mentioned, but I think Ennis has created stronger black characters then what is shown in this book, specifically in Punisher MAX.

For example, The Slavers, one of the supporting characters is a gay black cop, and him and his (police) partner are written well and are instremental to the story.

The biggest one would be Barracuda. Now he's definately not an "upstanding member," and is a cruel, violent man, he's not one-demensional either, and is written to be dangerously smart, able to pull of double and triple crosses some would deem impossible.

I'd also mention the sole black woman with the mafioso wives and the black cop that goes lone wolf to solve the case in the current arc, "Widowmaker," but that one isn't really Ennis' best, and I don't really feel like it.

Just saying, I don't think that's how Ennis thinks black people are like, in that CAGE story you mention. If anything, it probably has to do with his intense hatred of superheroes.

[Anubis]

I thought Azzarello did that Cage mini.

Edit:

yeah, Azzarello did it. Funny, he does pretty well with his african american characters in 100 bullets.

[32CAGE]

It seems that, in the face of complaints like these, whenever they try to bring a character back into focus, they have to ruthlessly update them, thereby attaching a gimmick. It seems like black characters specifically can't be revived without them becoming "CAGE, motha!"

Anyone else remember that? CAGE, by Ennis? If Ennis has anything to say about Carl Lucas, it's that his only consistant personality trait is violence and aggression. That aside, he is completely shaped by the times and trends. He's what Garth Ennis thinks black people think is cool. He's not an upstanding member of the community, he'd be a nobody if he didn't have superpowers. I hated that depiction of the character.

I remember the Cage mini series. It was out around 2001 or 2002 and was written by Brian Azzarello and not Garth Ennis. Like you, i too hated the way the character was depicted.

[Anubis]

I was unmoved either way.

[rigel7soldiers]

Oh, that was Brian Azzarello... my bad. Ennis did something I hate, though, I must've confused it with Cage... Crap, I feel dumb.

[Anubis]

But you smell like you just had sex with clown in a pit of cotton candy. :up:

[Darthphere]

Appropriate time for a bump don't you agree?

[T'Jai]

wait ...what happened?? on second thought don't tell me, as soon as I finish catchin up on my books I'll try to catch up here on the hype so..end of nov. ish I should be able to read and post in comic threads again...



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[Darthphere]

wait ...what happened?? on second thought don't tell me, as soon as I finish catchin up on my books I'll try to catch up here on the hype so..end of nov. ish I should be able to read and post in comic threads again...



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Hudlin made BP join the KKK.:dry: :ninja:

[Zoken]

Hudlin made BP join the KKK.:dry: :ninja:
are you joking?

[Darthphere]

Is it sad that you had to ask? What does that say about Hudlin?

[Zoken]

screw Hudlin, this about the direction Marvel Comics is going in general. They'll do anything these days.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Why is he on Black Panther anyway?Just so people would read the comic?

[RockSP]

Why is he on Black Panther anyway? Just so people would read the comic?

Obviously he wants to write it. It's not like he's depending on BP to pay his bills.

Now as to why more people are buying his BP than Priest's...I couldn't begin to tell you.

[Anubis]

Marvel gave his stuff more promotion than they did Priests.

[Varient]

Appropriate time for a bump don't you agree?

Yes.:cwink:

[Varient]

Obviously he wants to write it. It's not like he's depending on BP to pay his bills.

Now as to why more people are buying his BP than Priest's...I couldn't begin to tell you.

exposure.

Priests Panther was almost entirely word of mouth,... Hudlin's Panther has been promoted big time in the media.:dry:

[Varient]

Things are not really changing the way I want.

Falcon is still acting,........ wrong.

Cage remains "Out of Character"

I would expect semi-heroes Like Joshua X and Cardiac to have shown up Fighting in WWHulk or have to deal with Stark and the SHRA.


Sigh.

[RockSP]

Falcon is still acting,........ wrong.

How so?

[Varient]

How so?

Well.
Marvel can't seem to make up their minds,...

Is he "Snap Wilson - Thug and former gansta brainwashed by the red skull

or

Sam wilson,.. social worker?

[Varient]

Part one:
http://forums.superherohype.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5418&stc=1&d=1217347701

http://forums.superherohype.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5419&stc=1&d=1217347724

http://forums.superherohype.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5420&stc=1&d=1217347744

[Varient]

Part Two:
http://forums.superherohype.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5421&stc=1&d=1217348007

http://forums.superherohype.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5422&stc=1&d=1217348007

[BLACKVULCAN]

Welcome to the hype, and I agree. Other than Rambeau there are no upper echleon black characters. Hey what ever happened to that guy they had during Infinity Crusade? the strong guy that could up his density?
yeah i remembered that cat his name was Maxam.That dude just dried up and he was the strongest Bother Marvel had going onThey really need to bring him back
...... oh and Oh Man "Soul Ghost" is by far the greatest if just a tad bit stereotypical especially with the clock around his neck. I think one flavor flav is enough and heaven help us as a superhero. haha

[Lightning Strykez!]

What's all this about Storm returning to the X-Men? I stopped reading Black Panther due to Hudlin's non-stop spewing of literary suckage, but what's going on? Are they still together?

[terry78]

Never repeat this, but those panels above that Varient posted turned me on. :dry:

[THANOSRULES]

Is White Tiger III still active?

When was he heard from last?

[Dread]

Marvel's Big Fat Wakandan Arranged Wedding is still in effect; no demons have offered to annul it. But, indeed, Storm has returned to the X-Men in Ellis' ASTONISHING X-MEN I believe. BLACK PANTHER is still going, too.

[Varient]

Never repeat this, but those panels above that Varient posted turned me on. :dry:

Daughters of the Dragon have that effect on folk.

[batnkevlar]

So characters that are black are part of the major minority group... but what about other minorities? Hispanic, Indian, Asian?

[T'Jai]

So characters that are black are part of the major minority group... but what about other minorities? Hispanic, Indian, Asian?
Go ahead and throw something on the table and we'll deliberate, what character or group has your bee's a buzzin?

[Lightning Strykez!]

So characters that are black are part of the major minority group... but what about other minorities? Hispanic, Indian, Asian?

Who did you have in mind?

[roach]

Marvel's Big Fat Wakandan Arranged Wedding is still in effect; no demons have offered to annul it. But, indeed, Storm has returned to the X-Men in Ellis' ASTONISHING X-MEN I believe. BLACK PANTHER is still going, too.

I knew that was gonna happen the moment the X-men got their every three year reboot

[batnkevlar]

Well, there's Neal Sharra who's Indian, but are there any other Asian heroes?

[roach]

Sunfire is Japanese
Shang-Chi

[T'Jai]

Amadeus Cho
Armor (Hisako Ichiki)
Bengal (Duc No Tranh)
Chance (fallen angels)
Collective Man (Sun, Chang, Ho, Lin, and Han Tao-Yu)
Jolt (Helen "Hallie" Takahama)
Karma (Xi'an "Shan" Coy Manh)
Komodo (Melati Kusuma)
The Cat (Shen Kuei)
Jubilation "Jubilee" Lee
Mantis
Wiz Kid (Takashi "Taki" Matsuya)
Nico Minoru
Red Lotus (Paul Hark)
Omega Sentinel (Karima Shapandar)
Silhouette (Silhouette Chord)
Silver (Jhimon Tang)
Silver Samurai (Kenuichio Harada)
Sunpyre (Leyu Yoshida)
Surge (Noriko "Nori" Ashida)
Sway (Suzanne Chan)
Turbo (Michiko "Mickey" Musashi)
Vesper (Raani Jatwinder)
Colleen Wing

which is most of your marvel list...

[Dread]

I knew that was gonna happen the moment the X-men got their every three year reboot

Naturally. Storm's one of their best known members. She can't stay away from the X-Men for long.

[ANTOINE X]

I don't know about you guys but I could see a Bishop movie right now

[ANTOINE X]

Well, there's Neal Sharra who's Indian, but are there any other Asian heroes?

Master of kung fu. Never understand why there were no movie yet.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/master-of-kung-fu/20-1.jpg

[BLACKVULCAN]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bishop too. I mean not in a solo movie, but in another group X-men flick.I could see that. He always been cool even if i still don't have a handle on his powers.They seem to change from book to book.
Hands down i would go see a Shang- Chi flick in a min. Loved some master of kung fu.

[ANTOINE X]

I could see a solo movie set in the futur with xzibit. He played ok in X-files2 Maybe he can do Bishop ?

http://www.televisionando.it/img/xzibit.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/CCRunner525/uxm-77-06_07-1.jpg

[BLACKVULCAN]

awww man Xzibit would make a great bishop and he can act too. I was surprised he could act. Like i said though if Hollywood is dragging its feet for a more popular character like Black Panther or Luke cage. it will be a while before bishop gets a flick. what sucks too is that Blade started all this renaissance for Marvel.

[moraldeficiency]

Ok, I'm just going on the record as saying I do NOT want to see X as Bishop. I've seen pimp my ride once and that was enough for me. Maybe he was good in X-files, I'll wait for the DVD, but there are better actors.

[Brainiac 8]

Amadeus Cho
Armor (Hisako Ichiki)
Bengal (Duc No Tranh)
Chance (fallen angels)
Collective Man (Sun, Chang, Ho, Lin, and Han Tao-Yu)
Jolt (Helen "Hallie" Takahama)
Karma (Xi'an "Shan" Coy Manh)
Komodo (Melati Kusuma)
The Cat (Shen Kuei)
Jubilation "Jubilee" Lee
Mantis
Wiz Kid (Takashi "Taki" Matsuya)
Nico Minoru
Red Lotus (Paul Hark)
Omega Sentinel (Karima Shapandar)
Silhouette (Silhouette Chord)
Silver (Jhimon Tang)
Silver Samurai (Kenuichio Harada)
Sunpyre (Leyu Yoshida)
Surge (Noriko "Nori" Ashida)
Sway (Suzanne Chan)
Turbo (Michiko "Mickey" Musashi)
Vesper (Raani Jatwinder)
Colleen Wing

which is most of your marvel list...

Plus Xian from the X-Men 2099.

I miss that series. :(

[ANTOINE X]

Ok, I'm just going on the record as saying I do NOT want to see X as Bishop. I've seen pimp my ride once and that was enough for me. Maybe he was good in X-files, I'll wait for the DVD, but there are better actors.

Some of you have a lot of prejudice when a signer turn's to actor. I'm not saying that Xzibit is the best actor around, but for the role of Bishop he sure can do it.

[BLACKVULCAN]

Ok, I'm just going on the record as saying I do NOT want to see X as Bishop. I've seen pimp my ride once and that was enough for me. Maybe he was good in X-files, I'll wait for the DVD, but there are better actors.
..so what you are saying is that you don't want to see Bishop putting pinstripes down Cyclops ride? Right?
I am Bishop and you have been officially Mutated!

[moraldeficiency]

..so what you are saying is that you don't want to see Bishop putting pinstripes down Cyclops ride? Right?
I am Bishop and you have been officially Mutated!

Don't forget to put those plasma screens on the bottoms of his mudflaps, and please by all means completely neglect the engine that's about to die to spend more time on a fishtank for an air bag. God that show sucks.

Maybe he could do a good bishop but look at the power marvel has right now to get top tier talent in movies, and you're going to go with Xzibit as the solo force pulling a Bishop movie? They're slowly setting up terrence howard for a war machine stand alone and he's a hell of an actor, but you think they should just run with X for a character with an extremely confusing backstory and little general population recognition?

[BLACKVULCAN]

no. i agree i would much rather have a quality actor than one who just looks the part.Thats why i am not partial to alot of professional wrestlers or musicians getting these parts.There are always better actors out there and if one was chosen i wouldn't raise a fuss. Having seen X i know that he can do more than that show of his. I was really surprised by the job he did. Hollywood has a weird way of not getting the right people for the right role though. Case in Point Will-I-am as wraith in the upcoming Wolverine movie. He's one reason why i will wait for the DVD. I agree you should get the best man for the job.
.
.... and hey yeah who needs a fishtank in their car I mean wouldn't those fish die?

[terry78]

Somewhat off-topic, but somebody showed me this commercial. That's a hell of a superpower. :o

FdTy1nHVQJM

[Brainiac 8]

lulz to the extreme. :hehe:

[moraldeficiency]

Some of you have a lot of prejudice when a signer turn's to actor. I'm not saying that Xzibit is the best actor around, but for the role of Bishop he sure can do it.

Hey I didn't notice this, thanks for calling me prejudiced and then assuming the cause. It couldn't be for any other reason than my hate for signer (I've always loved signers, they're better than singers or rappers). And certianly not because a standalone movie based on a fairly obsure and complicated character played by a man with almost zero acting experience and a joke of a TV show would probably doom any chances faster than Nick Cage in GR2.

Now allow me to randomly assign a character defect to you without any grounds and then assume a cause....Let's see.... You're prejudiced against gays because Nathan Lane raped your dog. This is kinda fun, like a mad libs.

[Kitsune]

Don't forget to put those plasma screens on the bottoms of his mudflaps, and please by all means completely neglect the engine that's about to die to spend more time on a fishtank for an air bag. God that show sucks.


I always wonder how long it's going to be before the large screen TVs in those pimped rides get stolen.

[moraldeficiency]

I always wonder how long it's going to be before the large screen TVs in those pimped rides get stolen.

I've gotta agree, 25 grand in stereo and AV equiptment in a car's worth maybe 300? Now I've only seen the show once so maybe it's changed, but they took this POS and basically gave a pretty body and some ridiculous **** to a car while disregarding the car's actual problems (engine, tranny). They go over that list of "car pimps" or whatever and I'm wonder do they actually have someone that knows something about cars on the show?

I'd take one hour of Chip Foose on my ride to a year of fishtank mods and disco ball rear view mirrors.

[BLACKVULCAN]

ummm if i can just interrupt Autoshop 101 for just a min to just say that i dont think Bishop could carry a solo movie. I think he would work much better in a group setting like a X-men 4 flick. I think Master of Kung fu or War Machine would make a much better stand alone movie than bishop.

Now back to car pimps and water Hoses!:cwink:

[Varient]

meh.

Just for a moment - Everyone give a short list of those Marvel characters they feel could do a standalone movie,.....

[Kitsune]

Hey,,, maybe we could have Tony Stark do "pimp my armor"

[Colossal Spoons]

http://www.shaftagents.com/heroesforhire.jpg

Awesome :up:

[roach]

played by a man with almost zero acting experience and a joke of a TV show would probably doom any chances faster than Nick Cage in GR2.

Why is Pimp my Ride X's showcase of acting ability???
There was another actor from a joke of a tv show with almost zero acting experience that made it big too.....Jim Carey, Jamie Foxx, Tom Hanks

[Manic]

I take a strong stance against singers and rappers being given significant roles in movies. There are actual black actors out there who are having a hard time finding their "big breaks" in Hollywood because roles they could do are being given to Ice Cube, LL, DMX, Snoop Dogg (granted, he does comedy well), TI, Xzibit, OutKast, Redman, Method Man, and so help me if someone writes another movie specifically for 50 Cent.

Mos Def is cool, though. But then he's more of a child actor turned rapper turned actor.

[roach]

I take a strong stance against singers and rappers being given significant roles in movies. There are actual black actors out there who are having a hard time finding their "big breaks" in Hollywood because roles they could do are being given to Ice Cube, LL, DMX, Snoop Dogg (granted, he does comedy well), TI, Xzibit, OutKast, Redman, Method Man, and so help me if someone writes another movie specifically for 50 Cent.

Mos Def is cool, though. But then he's more of a child actor turned rapper turned actor.

The same could be said for any group of people. If a rapper wants to act I say let them. It worked for Will Smith

[Colossal Spoons]

and I think LL is a pretty decent actor :up:

[Manic]

I'm all for them being given supporting roles in movies, and even their own TV shows (worked for Will Smith, LL Cool J, and Queen Latifah), but I don't like them being given major roles in movies when there are tons of actual actors with more experience than them.

[roach]

I'm all for them being given supporting roles in movies, and even their own TV shows (worked for Will Smith, LL Cool J, and Queen Latifah), but I don't like them being given major roles in movies when there are tons of actual actors with more experience than them.

you are right Rappers shouldnt act, comedians should only do comedies, serious actors should only do dramas, british actors should only be in british films....
....dont forget Mark Wahlberg too...get back to rapping you

[terry78]

I take a strong stance against singers and rappers being given significant roles in movies. There are actual black actors out there who are having a hard time finding their "big breaks" in Hollywood because roles they could do are being given to Ice Cube, LL, DMX, Snoop Dogg (granted, he does comedy well), TI, Xzibit, OutKast, Redman, Method Man, and so help me if someone writes another movie specifically for 50 Cent.

Mos Def is cool, though. But then he's more of a child actor turned rapper turned actor.

That could be any music act, though. How many singers have come become decent actors?

[roach]

That could be any music act, though. How many singers have come become decent actors?

Will Smith
Ice Cube(go back and watch boyz in the hood)
Mos Def

[Manic]

you are right Rappers shouldnt act, comedians should only do comedies, serious actors should only do dramas, british actors should only be in british films....
....dont forget Mark Wahlberg too...get back to rapping you
Like anyone ever considered Mark Wahlberg a rapper...


Allow me to elaborate. Don't give rappers big starring roles in movies right out of the gate. It demeans acting as a profession, and robs actual actors of their chances to get significant roles. However, it's okay for rappers to be given small roles in movies until they prove they can portray an emotion not seen in one of their music videos.

Taking the comparisons into account, let's talk about dramatic actors vs. comedians. Comedy is hard. Very hard. Not every actors can do comedy, despite how well they might do in other roles. I still don't like Robert DeNiro in the "Meet The _____" movies. I've found that most actors who can pull off a comedic role perfectly are going to nail drama (it's a timing thing, I think), but very few great dramatic actors can do comedy.

And one can argue that there's very little reason for British actors to play American characters and vise-versa. I love Clive Owen, but I've never bought him as an American.

That could be any music act, though. How many singers have come become decent actors?
Plenty, but there are still tons who turned out to be terrible.



You don't give musical performers starring roles in movies for their first acting jobs. If they had a past in musical theatre or something, fine. If they haven't acted before in their lives, for god's sake, don't make them play the main character. And if their acting skills are questionable, stop giving them more starring roles to screw up. Tyrese.

[Docker2.0]

I'd rather give 50 the role for Luke Cage than Tyrese.......though I feel its to late for that cuase Singleton seems to love dude for some reason. If I had to choose a rapper for the role, I'd choose LL or Wil Smith.

[tamron]

Everyone give a short list of those Marvel characters they feel could do a standalone movie,.....

To me, that would be a long list. It's all about how the property is approached and prepared for the screen. Few would've thought Blade could generate a successful film series, but he did. Similar diamonds in the rough exist throughout Marvel, in addition to the bevy of established characters.

i dont think Bishop could carry a solo movie. I think he would work much better in a group setting like a X-men 4 flick.

I think a District X-type movie with Bishop as the lead could definitely work. But I agree that Bishop would fit best in an X-Men film.

Henry Simmons is the best choice out there for Luke Cage, IMHO. He's got the look, the size (He's 6'4", Cage is 6'6",) and he's a good actor.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2985/henrysimmons996pi.jpg

[ANTOINE X]

Hey I didn't notice this, thanks for calling me prejudiced and then assuming the cause. It couldn't be for any other reason than my hate for signer (I've always loved signers, they're better than singers or rappers). And certianly not because a standalone movie based on a fairly obsure and complicated character played by a man with almost zero acting experience and a joke of a TV show would probably doom any chances faster than Nick Cage in GR2.

Now allow me to randomly assign a character defect to you without any grounds and then assume a cause....Let's see.... You're prejudiced against gays because Nathan Lane raped your dog. This is kinda fun, like a mad libs.

How can you take Pimp my ride as a reference? It s not even a movie! The guys is just doing a show about cars where it doesn't require acting skills:huh:

Go check x-file 2 & Gridiron Gang and then will talk :whatever:

[ANTOINE X]

I take a strong stance against singers and rappers being given significant roles in movies. There are actual black actors out there who are having a hard time finding their "big breaks" in Hollywood because roles they could do are being given to Ice Cube, LL, DMX, Snoop Dogg (granted, he does comedy well), TI, Xzibit, OutKast, Redman, Method Man, and so help me if someone writes another movie specifically for 50 Cent.

Mos Def is cool, though. But then he's more of a child actor turned rapper turned actor.

You can't put everybody in the same basket. Some signer definitely needs acting skills but others are doing very well: Will Smith, Common,Wallberg, Xzibit, 50 cent (is so so), LL COOL J (is ok), Mos def, even Eminem did well. Beside they all sign and make videos so they did have some practice :woot:.