SSJ 3 Broli vs SSJ4 Gogeta

[Genesis 1.0]

Quite frankly, we never saw Broli at the heights that we've seen Vegeta or Goku rise but that's probably because had he ever gone that high nobody would have been able to lay a hand on him, as it was he mopped the floor with Vegeta, and Goku at a simple SSJ. So to make things fair we have the pinnacle of power in the GT series, a Fusion of SSJ4 taking on Broli at level 3. Who takes the cake?

[Odin's Lapdog]

ssj4 is the biggest jump in power levels

especially if you are taking about a ssj 4 fused being....

i don't think any permutation or combination of any characters up to ssj 3 could take on gogeta in ssj 4 mode...

he was the ultimate being and he knew it, he doesn't even have to fight properly, cause he's practically invincible...

brolli goes down hard if gogeta wants, and he'll take out half the universe in 30 minutes just to prove it...

[ssj4 vegetto]

gogeta has more power but if brolly last more than 10mins he will unfuse

[Genesis 1.0]

That's an added negative, but looking at the surges of power Broli had just at level 1, the ability to dispatch of all those Saiyans at once, at least Goku and Vegeta looking like they were on Level 2, I'd have to say that at Lv. 3 he'd toss SSJ4 Gogeta around like a toy.

[TheStrider]

Nah I think your wrong, Brolly was beaten. Did it ever look like Gogeta was close to losing, or even hurt for that matter?

[Genesis 1.0]

Sure he was beaten, but not by simple SSJ power. He wiped the floor with what, 4 guys at their best? After beating the crap out of them Goku does what he does best, draw energy from other people, and then defeated him for the moment, notice he didn't finish the job even though he put everything they all had into it. He outclassed alot of charecters as an INFANT, planet explodes and he saves himself and his father at less than 6 months. Insane as it is, he was born at power level 10,000, which makes him a Super Saiyan at birth. NOBODY competes with that. If you just look through most Anime sites that take a look at all the villans of the franchise, you'll always see Broli ranked as the most powerful, seeing that there has never been one that can destroy multiple galaxies without breaking a sweat, as Absolute Anime put it.

As far the Fusion tiring, kinda hard to gauge since they really weren't trying, so the limit of their power is almost incalcuable. Again, Broli's only been seen on 1 level and he's disposed of the main charecters with relative ease, at lv. 3? Not even this Fusion stands a chance, not even at 4. There has never been anyone in the DBZ/GT universe that can do what Broli did at Lv1, hell at Lv. 2!

Broli is literally raw power.

[Toxin]

Well, I'm pretty sure Gogeta is nearly invincible, but Broly would likely win. His power is just unfathomable, as Genesis explains.

[X-Ray]

SSJ 3 Broli ... becuz when the 2 saiyans merge they tend to waste time and before you know time's up ...

[saiyan jedi]

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[Genesis 1.0]

Another valid point thrown into the mix, looking at the power levels of both charecters, I can tell you that it's going to take far more than 10 minutes to take Broli down. Once they're forced to De-Fuse, you might as well call the undertaker.

[saiyan jedi]

well ssj4 goku and vegeta are still very strong.. and there still a whole ssj level above brolly , maybe they can do it.

[Genesis 1.0]

When Broli's born at SSJ power, there's a default between him and any other charecter. It wouldn't be fair for me to pit them at equal levels because we saw him decimate both Goku and Vegeta (who seemed to rise to SSJ2) and with relative ease, not to mention Trunks and Piccolo. Goku was only able to beat him that once because he drew on the powers of the others, as usual, so it was not his own SSJ strength that did the job.

Broli's SSJ is equivalent to another Saiyan's SSJ2, again he destroys galaxies like he's popping pimples. Vegeta is my all time favorite charecter and I'm a bit biased towards him at times, and yes he's insanely powerful, as is Goku, but they just can't pull this one off without gathering more energy from the rest of the universe and I can tell you Broli won't fall for that again.

[Odin's Lapdog]

SSJ 3 Broli ... becuz when the 2 saiyans merge they tend to waste time and before you know time's up ...
when the time runs out, it no longer becomes brolli against ssj 4 gogeta and hence the battle in the way we know it is void...

[Odin's Lapdog]

Sure he was beaten, but not by simple SSJ power. He wiped the floor with what, 4 guys at their best? After beating the crap out of them Goku does what he does best, draw energy from other people, and then defeated him for the moment, notice he didn't finish the job even though he put everything they all had into it. He outclassed alot of charecters as an INFANT, planet explodes and he saves himself and his father at less than 6 months. Insane as it is, he was born at power level 10,000, which makes him a Super Saiyan at birth. NOBODY competes with that. If you just look through most Anime sites that take a look at all the villans of the franchise, you'll always see Broli ranked as the most powerful, seeing that there has never been one that can destroy multiple galaxies without breaking a sweat, as Absolute Anime put it.

As far the Fusion tiring, kinda hard to gauge since they really weren't trying, so the limit of their power is almost incalcuable. Again, Broli's only been seen on 1 level and he's disposed of the main charecters with relative ease, at lv. 3? Not even this Fusion stands a chance, not even at 4. There has never been anyone in the DBZ/GT universe that can do what Broli did at Lv1, hell at Lv. 2!

Broli is literally raw power.
a power level of ten thousand doesn't make one a super saiyan....

ss power levels are way higher than that...



and you have to remember, goku's power drawing is seen to be an addition of power to his own. A fusion is the multiplication of the two individuals power levels. the increase in potential power of a fused being is silly to even start to observe...

[Odin's Lapdog]

Another valid point thrown into the mix, looking at the power levels of both charecters, I can tell you that it's going to take far more than 10 minutes to take Broli down. Once they're forced to De-Fuse, you might as well call the undertaker.
10 minutes is a long time in db....

frieza and super saiyan gokus fight lasted less than ten minutes....

besides goku had been fighting previously so he wasn't exactly at full power when the fusion occured, which would probably grant them so more time if goku and vegeta both fused at their maximum equal power levels

[Genesis 1.0]

a power level of ten thousand doesn't make one a super saiyan....

ss power levels are way higher than that...



and you have to remember, goku's power drawing is seen to be an addition of power to his own. A fusion is the multiplication of the two individuals power levels. the increase in potential power of a fused being is silly to even start to observe...

http://www.absoluteanime.com/dragon_ball/brolly.htm Must be flawed information then. When I watched the movie (damn that was a long time ago) I couldn't tell what the hell level he was and it never actually said regarding his infancy, so I assumed that his Battle Power and ranking was correct after surfing the net and finding that site. Ah well, 10,000 still gives him a platform that far outclasses any other Saiyan. I'm still in doubt over that, since even as an infant he survived the planet's destruction and was able to erect a shield for his father as well. From what I've read elsewhere he reached SSJ at an accelerated rate, far before Goku.

In any case, the gap between even a Fused SSJ4 at full power does not dwarf what we've never even seen Broli achieve at the lowest levels of SSJ, so I think it's completely possible that he could defeat Gogeta, and a battle of magnitude would certainly last more than 10 minutes. Frieza had transformations, trash talking, mind games, and then the letting down of guard on Goku's part, which can stretch a battle out farther than need be.

There has yet to be one single Z charecter that's defeated Broli alone, in an even playing field. Goku needed other's energy and Gohan needed Goku's spirit for aid.

[Odin's Lapdog]

ten thousand is definitely not a super saiyan's power level.

besides all the half breed male saiyans reached their super saiyan power levels way before goku did as well, it's no biggie. saying this, relative to goten and trunks, i don't know how young brolli would have been when he turned super saiyan for the first time...

the thing is the fight could only last as long as the fusion between goku and vegeta, after the fusion dies out, then the battle becomes void. so in the interest of the thread, let us assume the fusion lasts as long as the battle requires it to...

and there has yet to be a single character that has put a hair out of place in super saiyan four gogeta, not even the combined power of all the dragonballs. I think because we don't see him fight in the normal sense, he is being well and truelly underestimated here....

the only character stronger than gogeta is potentially vegetto

[Genesis 1.0]

A viable suggestion, the Fusion stands for the entirety of the battle.

Whereas SSJ4 Goget has only fought one charecter (giving the transformation a half-life when it comes to comparison), Broli has gone through the gauntlet of power players and remained unscathed, again in a level fight. In the world of power players, Pojo's always claimed that Mystic Gohan was stronger than Goku at SSJ3, meanwhile in GT it was implied that next to Goku, Vegeta is the next most powerful regardless of the afore statement, so the Fusion at Lv4 isn't the equalizer with Broli at 3.

Broli has taken out the top 3 guys in the series, bar none, and he was only level 1. It's only logical to assume that he'd be on par with this Fusion, at best to be equals. The tie breaker is the mind set, Broli has such a hatred for Goku that he'd pull out all the stops, destroy galaxies to get it done. As long as Goku is in a Fusion he always has a habit of either holding back or getting soft and that will be the death of him and Vegeta as long as they're fused.

[Odin's Lapdog]

alright, i'll go with brolli having the power of a fused being on his own, but a fused being of a similar power level....


you have to remember that a golden oozaru is supposed to have this obscene power level, a power level great enough to destroy itself. goku is stronger than this on his own, let alone fused again with another being with the same strength abilities.

if you were talking about ssj4 four goku or vegeta on their own, or even fighting together against ssj3 brolli as separate entities, i would believe for the bout to be more even...


i don't think it matters how soft gogeta is, he is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up there in my eyes. he was just drastically played down

and with goku comes a being with decades of fighting experience with goku and a hardcore mindset that comes from vegeta's side. when things would eventually get down to business, i think brolli would be way out of his depth.

but that's just the way i see it

[Genesis 1.0]

It'd be a squash if they were the same level. After Broli returns to the scene, still at Lv1, he decimated Gohan (at the time, strongest guy in the known universe) who as was at Lv2 without too much of a problem. So it stands to reason that anyone he faces has to be a level up, you said yourself that he has the power of a fused being on his own, therefore this battle stands to reason that at the very least it's an even bout.

Also, looking at Broli's structure, and the bulk he has it reminds me of SSJ Stage 2, while on level 1. You remember when Goku, Vegeta, & Trunks did that, they all bulked up and the power was off the charts but they were alot slower, sometimes called Ultra SSJ? The one thing that dissuades me from that theory is that Broli was faster than any of the Z warriors in any given encounter.

In any case, I can see we aren't going to see eye to eye on this. So I'll agree to disagree.

[TheStrider]

If I remember right, it was said somewhere that Brolly wasn't exactly SSJ, he was something different, I think he was like SSJ2 1/2, or as the games like to call it LSSJ.

[saiyan jedi]

yes thats right!nopoweer limit!

[Guyverjay]

Goku, Vegeta, every saiyan there were SSJ1 NOT 2.

SSJ2 Gohan would have kicked all the Z warriors ass's simultaneously at the cell games if he had wanted to when he first transformed. Big deal

Brolli is a high end USSJ nothing more

SSJ4 Gogeta would ass ream SSJ3 Brolli. In fact I think SSJ2 Vegetto would also ass kick SSJ3 Brolli (even though there is no such thing)

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, love how you state your ego driven opinon as fact, absolutelt adorable.

Broli's 2nd movie, he sought out and beat the hell out of SSJ2 Gohan, your explanation for a man that's a 'high end USSJ and nothing more?". At that stage Gohan obviosuly had surpassed the deceased Goku and he was dismantled like all the rest, even with his elevated level over Broli. Once again it took aid to defeat Broli, and it still stands that he's never been beaten 1 on 1 with any charecter, their strength alone against his.

We never saw Broli ascend to 2, much less three, but from what we have seen the man can be down an entire level and still beat the living hell out of the competition. As it's already been conceded, Broli has the power of fused being on his own. You do the math Jay, 1 level down against a Fused being and it's a draw at best.

[TheStrider]

Well I like Guyver he is a good guy, but his opinions are fact in his mind :P

[Genesis 1.0]

lol, so I see. No biggie, it won't be the first time the 'nub mentality' is taken.

[TheStrider]

Now now, no reason to insuate names ;)

[Genesis 1.0]

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lol, take it or leave it.:)

[The Riddler]

Goku, Vegeta, every saiyan there were SSJ1 NOT 2.

SSJ2 Gohan would have kicked all the Z warriors ass's simultaneously at the cell games if he had wanted to when he first transformed. Big deal

Brolli is a high end USSJ nothing more

SSJ4 Gogeta would ass ream SSJ3 Brolli. In fact I think SSJ2 Vegetto would also ass kick SSJ3 Brolli (even though there is no such thing)
wtf.

this was what i was bout to say.

[Guyverjay]

Heh, love how you state your ego driven opinon as fact, absolutelt adorable.


Heh I don't need to start flaming to prove my point. Lets leave the kindergarten stuff in the playground and have an actual debate shall wee:eek:


Broli's 2nd movie, he sought out and beat the hell out of SSJ2 Gohan, your explanation for a man that's a 'high end USSJ and nothing more?". At that stage Gohan obviosuly had surpassed the deceased Goku and he was dismantled like all the rest, even with his elevated level over Broli. Once again it took aid to defeat Broli, and it still stands that he's never been beaten 1 on 1 with any charecter, their strength alone against his.

Second of all it never seemed to me like Gohan went SSJ2, where was the lightning crcakle? I never saw any. Plus as we know Gohan as a teen was WEAKER then he was when he fought Cell. He couldn't even beat Dabura. Dabura was on Cells level. Cells level is lower than Chibi Gohan SSJ2. Plus we know that Gohan as a teen was just a ****ty fighter, hell he knows that Brolli is dangerous but he spends the first half of the fight in his BASE form:rolleyes:

We never saw Broli ascend to 2, much less three, but from what we have seen the man can be down an entire level and still beat the living hell out of the competition. As it's already been conceded, Broli has the power of fused being on his own. You do the math Jay, 1 level down against a Fused being and it's a draw at best.

Brolli got beaten by SSJ1 Goku (maybe 2, hard to tell), SSJ1 goten and maybe (even though I don't believe he was 2) a weaker untrained SSJ2 Gohan with a Kamehameha. THAT wouldn't even beat SSJ3 Goku let alone Vegetto or Gogeta. The difference in power from the Fused guys is immense (two kid SSJ1's fused became a stronger SSJ3 than even Goku for example). Vegetto at a mere SSJ2 was probably 5 or more times the power of SSJ3 Goku maybe more (he was beating up Super Buu using just his feet for gods sake). SSJ4 Gogeta was probably over ten times even stronger than that. I call brolli a high end USSJ because he never shows any superior speed, he uses his immense strength to just barrel through any blows that come his way. He couldn't even catch Gohan while they were flying over the lava and then he EASILY outmaneuvered him into it. Now a high end USSJ is nothing to sniff at anyway. That would put him at a SSJ2 level with slower speed anyway

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, I wasn't aware 'ass ream' was used in everyday debate between adults but since it's a cop out you seem to be lunging for, I'll give you a free pass this time.:up: Oh and just for the record, that was cynical and a statement of some obvious truth, seeing that someone that's been here a hell of alot longer than me agreed. But who's counting?

Gohan was in SSJ2, I know this for a fact but as I well know you don't seem to believe any of my points till now, I doubt it would change. Regardless I found the first site that had a Synopsis of the movie and check out what it says: http://www.movietome.com/movietome/servlet/MovieMain/movieid-132182/Dragon_Ball_Z_Movie_10_Brolly__The_Second_Coming/ Clearly Gohan was at SSJ2 when he fought Broli and still couldn't pull it off alone.
Broli was defeated only after the rest of the team bought time for Goku to recover his energies (since his level seems to be in question), they were all beaten flat into the ground with their own Ki prowess. As for your comment about speed, take a look at the Legendary Super Saiyan movie and tell me he was slow from the way he reacted and countered everything thrown at him with martial arts, avoiding the shots with almost malicious grace.

You speak on how untrained this one was at try to compare it to an SSJ3 Goku? Why don't you scale that down and replace Goku with Broli, he could never have handled those SSJs alone, much less ground them into the dust as Broli did. Level for Level Broli outclasses anyone, and there is no dispute because the Movies clearly showcase this quite clearly. A Saiyan naturally gets stronger with every battle, the worse the stronger they get, Broli not onlu survived Goku's 'gangbang' attack of gathered energies from others (about the only way he knows how to win over a superior opponent) but emerged in his next movie after being frozen as sadistic as ever, and yet never accessing a higher level than USSJ.

Again, you do the math, everyone else had years to literally improve and step it up, Broli has had no training (frozen in space to crash land on Earth) and still overpowers an SSJ2, regardless of how you feel his level of useful power was, and the side charecters, and again with relative ease. Everything they did just made him more angry, yet he never goes beyond that first tier. Goku comes to save the day, once again aiding others who are too weak on their own (including him) to win a battle. No matter who the opponent, Broli has never been defeated without aid. Pretaining to your comment about him just using physical power, I very much doubt he carried the enigma of a galaxy destroyer using simple physical attacks.:down As much as you don't want to admit it, Broli has far more at his disposal and with little to no training needed to compete with others that are the exact opposite.

USSJ is NOT the same as SSJ2, this form increases mass and physical strength by multiples, and slows your maximum speed, while SSJ2 is the level which is superior than that of Super Saiya-jin in terms of strength and speed. Son Gohan was the first to reach this level during the battle with Cell (some may argue that this first happened during his training in the room of time as seen in the anime). It is similar in definition to the Super Saiya-jin in which rage and anger triggers the transformation. With this increase in powers, strength and speed all increase in sync, I repeat, 'in sync'. The powers are superior because instead of multiples in USSJ they're exponential in SSJ2, as well as the mass not hindering the speed because everything flows. Broli never ascended to this level, that much is evident and he was stil stronger than anything on the planet.


It stands to reason that since he did all this without any provocation or training, with these things he would transcend to SSJ3, still with the level default he's had since birth due to his high power level, to which has already been established in the afore debate that gives him the class of a Fused being on his own to explain that default, making him more than a match for SSJ4 Gogeta. There is no evidence to the contrary that the most powerful Super Saiyan would not retain that title with each stage he clears. I repeat, Broli is raw power ith a sadistic edge that would give the arrogant Fusion more than it could handle. Just look at how it behaved during it's last short stint! Difference is Broli won't bother with the idioctic rambling of an Omega, Broli is driven so you can expect a full out assault the likes of which haven't been seen in any of the franchise's history.


Seeing that Broli never actually rose to SSJ2, not to mention SSJ3, it's all prone to debate. Precisely why I chose it.

[Guyverjay]

Heh, I wasn't aware 'ass ream' was used in everyday debate between adults but since it's a cop out you seem to be lunging for, I'll give you a free pass this time.:up:

Since that wasn't a personal attack on your person that is completely irrelevent and yes quite a few adults do use the term ass ream. What? You think the term or even the act for that matter was invented by children:confused: Of course coming from the guy that posts a picture of Pikachu with profanity on I wouldn't be surprised;)

Gohan was in SSJ2, I know this for a fact but as I well know you don't seem to believe any of my points till now, I doubt it would change. Regardless I found the first site that had a Synopsis of the movie and check out what it says: http://www.movietome.com/movietome/servlet/MovieMain/movieid-132182/Dragon_Ball_Z_Movie_10_Brolly__The_Second_Coming/ Clearly Gohan was at SSJ2 when he fought Broli and still couldn't pull it off alone.

Well that must prove it then because some website says so:eek: Its open for debate. But imo since there was no electrical crackling (you know the most distingushing feature of a SSJ2) I chose to believe Gohan wasn't truly there. Of course even if he was there (which I'm not ruling out btw) the fact remains that he was only at Cells level which Goku wasn't that far off as SS1

Brolli was defeated only after the rest of the team bought time for Goku to recover his energies (since his level seems to be in question), they were all beaten flat into the ground with their own Ki prowess.

Irrelevent since I am talking about the second movie not the first. In the first everyone was still at SSJ1 (and not high end like Goku was vs Cell since Gohan wasn't SSJ2. None of it fits into continuity anyway so its part guess work) so IF brolli truly was a USSJ (like I think he is) he would ass kicked everyone anyway


As for your comment about speed, take a look at the Legendary Super Saiyan movie and tell me he was slow from the way he reacted and countered everything thrown at him with martial arts, avoiding the shots with almost malicious grace.

Agian I was talking second movie and not the first. Using Brollis actions in the first movie is like Comparing Vegeta when he came out of the Rosat to Goku before he had even gone in.

You speak on how untrained this one was at try to compare it to an SSJ3 Goku? Why don't you scale that down and replace Goku with Broli, he could never have handled those SSJs alone, much less ground them into the dust as Broli did.

Gohan at SSJ2 casually battered the crap out of ALL the Cell juniors (one strike kills) by himself and they were stronger than EVERYONE in the Z warriors (themselves being stronger than their counterparts in the first brolli movie) and probably equal to Goku. So I believe Gohan at SSJ2 would have ass kicked the Z warriors the same way as Brolli. Hell Cell who was weaker then Gohan took some of the Z warriors shooting him while he was having a Kamehamaha fight with Gohan. I wont use Goku because we never really saw him use the USSJ form for fighting. But we saw what he did agaisnt Cell, he matched him blow for blow in SSJ1 form and IF not for ther fact that Cell could regenerate he would have beaten him fair and square. So considering how easily the Cell juniors were kikcking everyone ass's and how in awe Vegeta and Trunks was at Gokus power, I do believe at that stage Goku could have taken all the Z warriors (minus Gohan for obvious reasons) by himself after all Cell could

Level for Level Broli outclasses anyone, and there is no dispute because the Movies clearly showcase this quite clearly. A Saiyan naturally gets stronger with every battle, the worse the stronger they get, Broli not onlu survived Goku's 'gangbang' attack of gathered energies from others (about the only way he knows how to win over a superior opponent) but emerged in his next movie after being frozen as sadistic as ever, and yet never accessing a higher level than USSJ.

So you say but since we only ever see Brolli at one level that isn't even disclosed thats a claim you can't make. In the first movie his level was above everyone elses at USSJ. In the second movie he takes on two SSJ1 Kids, Videl and a Gohan who couldn't even beat Dabura. Then Goku comes down they all blast him and he dies. I'd hardly call that impressive. Btw if you are admitting that Brolli was indeed USSJ then what are you even arguing about?

Again, you do the math, everyone else had years to literally improve and step it up, Broli has had no training (frozen in space to crash land on Earth) and still overpowers an SSJ2, regardless of how you feel his level of useful power was, and the side charecters, and again with relative ease.

Again teen Gohan couldn't beat Dubura. Dubura was LOWER then SSJ2 Gohan as a child. Gohan could not beat him. He was at Cells level who was also lower than SSJ2 chibi Gohan. So Brolli beating a guy who couldn't beat Dabura is not the be all and end all.


Everything they did just made him more angry, yet he never goes beyond that first tier.

Because he can't imo. If he could he would have. He has the traits of the USSJ. His emotional state goes out of the window and continue to pump himself up with more and more KI. Hence why he gets bigger ala trunks vs Cell.


Goku comes to save the day, once again aiding others who are too weak on their own (including him) to win a battle. No matter who the opponent, Broli has never been defeated without aid.

He's had two fights. One of them against opponents who were at a level lower than he was and the other against a teen who hadn't had a fight for almosts a decade who was somehow (considering he's a sayan) weaker than he was as a child

Pretaining to your comment about him just using physical power, I very much doubt he carried the enigma of a galaxy destroyer using simple physical attacks.

I was talking about his physical confrontation in the second movie, I didn't say he didn't use Ki attacks. He only grabs Gohan by just steamrolling straight through his punch. When we actually had a chase Brolli couldn't catch him and then Gohan just pulls him and Brolli being about as nimble as an elephant goes straight in the Lava. Compare that to someone like Freiza whose superior speed in combat was highlighted again and again. The same with Cell

:down As much as you don't want to admit it, Broli has far more at his disposal and with little to no training needed to compete with others that are the exact opposite.

Little or no training? We know for sure he didnt train?. If he could truly jiust will his power level from 10,000 to multiple millions he would never get beasten by anyone

USSJ is NOT the same as SSJ2, this form increases mass and physical strength by multiples, and slows your maximum speed, while SSJ2 is t[color=black]he level which is superior than that of Super Saiya-jin in terms of strength and speed. Son Gohan was the first to reach this level during the battle with Cell (some may argue that this first happened during his training in the room of time as seen in the anime). It is similar in definition to the Super Saiya-jin in which rage and anger triggers the transformation. With this increase in powers, strength and speed all increase in sync, I repeat, 'in sync'. The powers are superior because instead of multiples in USSJ they're exponential in SSJ2, as well as the mass not hindering the speed because everything flows.

The thing we DON'T TRULY KNOW what level he was at since its never said. He migth even have a unique level of all his own being legendary and everything. This level maybe higher than SSJ2 for all we know, this could be the only level he has got. Too many variables. Btw which website did you get that from?

Broli never ascended to this level, that much is evident and he was stil stronger than anything on the planet.It stands to reason that since he did all this without any provocation or training, with these things he would transcend to SSJ3, still with the level default he's had since birth due to his high power level, to which has already been established in the afore debate that gives him the class of a Fused being on his own to explain that default, making him more than a match for SSJ4 Gogeta.

I disagree. The power difference between SSJ3 and SSJ4 is IMMENSE adn when you factor in fusion the numbers go out of the window. Bebi Vegeta who the had the power Of Vegeta, Goten,Trunks and Gohan and on top of that was Golden oozaru (multiplying his power by 10 more maybe even more since normal oozaru is ten god knoiws what Golden Ooazru is) was still no match for SSJ4 Goku at the end of GT. In his normal form he chews up and spit out a TRAINED UUB who had fused with Fat BUU. Now factor SSJ4 Goku fusing with SSJ4 Vegeta and the power jump is too astronomical to comprehend. Two kids at SSJ1 were able to go up TWO levels just by fusing. SSJ2 vegetto was able to casually play around with Super Buu who had the power of BUU, Mystic Gohan, Goten ,Trunks and the Super Namek picollo. This would have made Super Buu at least almost 3 times as powerful as SSJ3 Goku imo. At SSJ2 Vegetto was able to beat up that guy using just his legs alone

There is no evidence to the contrary that the most powerful Super Saiyan would not retain that title with each stage he clears.

There is no evidence to suggest he could even go up a level. If according to you he doesn't even train thern what does he do? Just gets pissed and ascend? If so they why does he get killed?

I repeat, Broli is raw power ith a sadistic edge that would give the arrogant Fusion more than it could handle. Just look at how it behaved during it's last short stint! Difference is Broli won't bother with the idioctic rambling of an Omega, Broli is driven so you can expect a full out assault the likes of which haven't been seen in any of the franchise's history.

I disagree SSJ4 Gogeta would have been I estimate over a 100 times more powerful then SSJ3 Goku (Its all conjecture but thats what I think). Even IF Brolli could get to SSJ3 he would have the KI weakness of course you're probaly going to say he wouldn't because he's Legendary or something. No proof of that so I go with what Canon says about the SSJ3 form.. So I dont think Brolli would stand much of a chance


Seeing that Brolli never actually rose to SSJ2, not to mention SSJ3, it's all prone to debate. Precisely why I chose it.

Indeed

[EXCELSIOR]

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lol, take it or leave it.:)

Nice way to get yourself BANNED for a month!

I will not tollerate any images with "FU" in them, this is still a kid-friendly site!

[TheStrider]

lol good job Excel, he was getting pretty childish.

[The Riddler]

ssj3 broly versus ssj4 goku OR ssj4 vegeta would make more sense.

gogeta is just too powerful.

[Guyverjay]

I don't think SSJ3 Brolli coud beat SSJ2 Vegetto to be honest

[TheStrider]

I don't think so either.

[Jplaya2023]

Quite frankly, we never saw Broli at the heights that we've seen Vegeta or Goku rise but that's probably because had he ever gone that high nobody would have been able to lay a hand on him, as it was he mopped the floor with Vegeta, and Goku at a simple SSJ. So to make things fair we have the pinnacle of power in the GT series, a Fusion of SSJ4 taking on Broli at level 3. Who takes the cake?

are u on drugs????

brolly is only a USSJ, or LSSJ

ssj4 >>>> ssj3

fusion >>> non fusion

gogeta ssj4 >>> any char ever in dnz, db and dbgt

this shouldnt be hard to figure out

[Jplaya2023]

i cant believe people are seriosuly sitting here debating this garbage brolly never went past ssj1 how does he jump to ssj3?????

Brolly couldnt even beat goku with powers from 3 othe half dead ssj's and a namek

Perfect Cell>>> brolly

[Jplaya2023]

Brolli got beaten by SSJ1 Goku (maybe 2, hard to tell), SSJ1 goten and maybe (even though I don't believe he was 2) a weaker untrained SSJ2 Gohan with a Kamehameha. THAT wouldn't even beat SSJ3 Goku let alone Vegetto or Gogeta. The difference in power from the Fused guys is immense (two kid SSJ1's fused became a stronger SSJ3 than even Goku for example). Vegetto at a mere SSJ2 was probably 5 or more times the power of SSJ3 Goku maybe more (he was beating up Super Buu using just his feet for gods sake). SSJ4 Gogeta was probably over ten times even stronger than that. I call brolli a high end USSJ because he never shows any superior speed, he uses his immense strength to just barrel through any blows that come his way. He couldn't even catch Gohan while they were flying over the lava and then he EASILY outmaneuvered him into it. Now a high end USSJ is nothing to sniff at anyway. That would put him at a SSJ2 level with slower speed anyway

goku was ssj1 at that point in time, and gohan was a ssj1 firing that kamehameha look at his hair

[mystic gohan]

why have people voted for broly when it clearly says ssj4 come on 4 is bigger than 3 i.e. ssj4 gogeta is stronger and also it has goku and vegeta( my what a combination)

[Jplaya2023]

why have people voted for broly when it clearly says ssj4 come on 4 is bigger than 3 i.e. ssj4 gogeta is stronger and also it has goku and vegeta( my what a combination)


because their idiots

[mystic gohan]

because their idiots
i say no more my friend you said it all

[fusion_reborn]

What is wrong with u guys. Don't u know that Broly was SSJ1 when his hair was purple(remember in Broly's first movie when Vegeta attacked him in SSJ form while Broly was walking towards Goku). Then few moments later Broly powered up to USSJ when his hair turned Greenish yellow, this is Broly's SSJ2. When Vegeta met Broly his hair was black.

[saiyan jedi]

What is wrong with u guys. Don't u know that Broly was SSJ1 when his hair was purple(remember in Broly's first movie when Vegeta attacked him in SSJ form while Broly was walking towards Goku). Then few moments later Broly powered up to USSJ when his hair turned Greenish yellow, this is Broly's SSJ2. When Vegeta met Broly his hair was black.
wow this thread bring back memories

broly is LSSJ
there is no limit to his power
he never reached ssj2

besides he the LSSJ if he were to asend that would make him....a.....LSSJ2:wow: :wow: :wow:

[Gotenks]

This was over a year ago.........

[Warhammer]

Where did this thread come from?

Nice topic, btw.

[LouFerignoDemon]

The analls of history, apparently.

[Sloth7d]

This topic is one sided. SSJ4 Gogeta is more than likely stronger than SSJ2 Vegitto. And Veggito was stronger than Buu who had the energy of Goten, Piccolo, Trunks, fatbuu, and Gohan in him. Now a regular LSSJ Brolly was takin out by an even weaker version of Gohan, Goku, and Goten. All at levels of SSJ1 (well technically one was a SSJ2, but a very weak one). Now if a LSSJ Brolly could be taken out by those three, then what could a SSJ3 Brolly do against Gogeta?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

This topic is one sided. SSJ4 Gogeta is more than likely stronger than SSJ2 Vegitto. And Veggito was stronger than Buu who had the energy of Goten, Piccolo, Trunks, fatbuu, and Gohan in him. Now a regular LSSJ Brolly was takin out by an even weaker version of Gohan, Goku, and Goten. All at levels of SSJ1 (well technically one was a SSJ2, but a very weak one). Now if a LSSJ Brolly could be taken out by those three, then what could a SSJ3 Brolly do against Gogeta?
Dude, it was stated that SSJ4 Gokou was the most powerful being that ever existed in the DB-verse when he first appeared.

First apearence SSJ4 Gokou > Sûpâ Bejiito

[Sloth7d]

Dude, it was stated that SSJ4 Gokou was the most powerful being that ever existed in the DB-verse when he first appeared.

First apearence SSJ4 Gokou > Sûpâ Bejiito
I doubt that. I think SuperGohanBuu was stronger than SSJ4 Goku, forget Vegitto. Fused beings are always stronger even at low ssj levels. His SSJ2 form makes SSJ3 look like a joke(and thats an understatement since SSJ3 Goku could never even dream of touching SuperGohanBuu). SSJ4 Goku would lose terribley against Veggito. Its not even funny.

[Ultra-Herald9]

I doubt that. I think SuperGohanBuu was stronger than SSJ4 Goku, forget Vegitto. Fused beings are always stronger even at low ssj levels. His SSJ2 form makes SSJ3 look like a joke(and thats an understatement since SSJ3 Goku could never even dream of touching SuperGohanBuu). SSJ4 Goku would lose terribley against Veggito. Its not even funny.

Actually most people think that Veggito was only SSJ1.

[i-n-z-a-n-e]

Broly was never SSJ 2? But even if he made it to SSJ4 he would eeeaaat them up. He kicked there @ss not only them but gohan goten and all them as super sayins while he was just a normal broly.

[Jplaya2023]

Actually most people think that Veggito was only SSJ1.

there's no need to think he was ssj1

[Warhammer]

I doubt that. I think SuperGohanBuu was stronger than SSJ4 Goku, forget Vegitto. Fused beings are always stronger even at low ssj levels. His SSJ2 form makes SSJ3 look like a joke(and thats an understatement since SSJ3 Goku could never even dream of touching SuperGohanBuu). SSJ4 Goku would lose terribley against Veggito. Its not even funny.

Vegetto would kill SSJ4 Goku, IMO.

[Warhammer]

there's no need to think he was ssj1

I always assumed this too, at one time.
But yeah, though it wasn't really stated, we can assume that Vegeto was SSJ2. I mean, damn, why not?

[Gotenks]

I doubt that. I think SuperGohanBuu was stronger than SSJ4 Goku, forget Vegitto. Fused beings are always stronger even at low ssj levels. His SSJ2 form makes SSJ3 look like a joke(and thats an understatement since SSJ3 Goku could never even dream of touching SuperGohanBuu). SSJ4 Goku would lose terribley against Veggito. Its not even funny.

Lol, your kidding right?

[Sloth7d]

Lol, your kidding right?
why would I be? Its the truth.:huh:
If Vegitto could make childs play of someone who makes SSJ3 look like a joke, imagine what he could do to SSJ4Goku.

[Sloth7d]

Actually most people think that Veggito was only SSJ1.
Its too much evidence that suggest he was a SSJ2(the electricity, the bang, his hair is more spikey than SSJ1
). How anyone could think he was SSJ1, I don't know.

[Gotenks]

why would I be? Its the truth.:huh:
If Vegitto could make childs play of someone who makes SSJ3 look like a joke, imagine what he could do to SSJ4Goku.

There is a big difference between SSJ3 and SSJ4.

[Warhammer]

Tell that to the carnival. :D

[Sloth7d]

There is a big difference between SSJ3 and SSJ4.
Yeah, but theres an even bigger difference between SuperVegitto and SSJ3/a being with a powerlevel that makes SSJ3 look like kaioken.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Eh. You guys somehow lost me in here. x.x


I need more MSN messenger friends when I'm sick. O.o

[Jplaya2023]

Its too much evidence that suggest he was a SSJ2(the electricity, the bang, his hair is more spikey than SSJ1
). How anyone could think he was SSJ1, I don't know.

the electricity only lasted on the initial powerup. Nappa had that same electricity and he wasnt ssj2. Plus look at his hair, and notice when he has his aura up no more electricity. Going ssj was already overkill according to elder ki going above a ssj could of possibly killed him from 2 much power or something tot hat affect

[CBG]

the electricity only lasted on the initial powerup. Nappa had that same electricity and he wasnt ssj2. Plus look at his hair, and notice when he has his aura up no more electricity. Going ssj was already overkill according to elder ki going above a ssj could of possibly killed him from 2 much power or something tot hat affect

Nappa never went SSJ.

[Gotenks]

Yeah he knows he is just saying it doesnt matter if you have electricity around you.

[gamepyro]

ok in previous posts I've seen people saying that broly is only at ssj1, but this is untrue, broly has 3 ssj stages:** SSJ1: Has blue-purple hair, and has his puples. (is stronger than ssj goku)** SSJ2: Has golden spiky hair, his body is normal sized, & he has his puples.(is stronger than ssj goten, ssj kid trunks, & videl all together)** Legendary SSJ: has golden spiky hair, his body is huge, & has no puples.(stronger than ssj goku, ssj vegeta, and ssj future trunks.)i think that broly's legendary ssj form is in between ssj2 & ssj3, which means that if he went ssj3 he would get alot stronger, around full power ssj4 goku strong, but that would be nowhere near as strong as ssj4 gogeta. Yes it is true that gogeta's fusion would be over in 10 minutes, but all gogeta would have to do is use big bang kamehameha & broly would be out cold. If gogeta wanted to completely desroy him ( not to metion the earth, ur dog, our galaxy, & probably the entire universe) he would just do big bang kamehameha x100.to put it short, I think Gogeta would win by a landslide. others might think differently, but thats their oppinion.

[Tomasuke]

wel there could be loads of outcomes.
1. broly could hide until those dreaded 10 minutes are up.
2. gogeta completely destroys broly with one finger before he runs out of time.
3. broly says "im a cop u idiot!!!" therefore ending the battle and gogeta being sent to prison.
4.broly dies of a heart attack.
5. gogeta dies of a heart attack.
6. they both die of a heart attack.:wow:
7. broly gets so pissed off that he goes to possibly a higher level of power.
8. gogeta gets highly depressed because broly wont stop shouting "KAKARROT!!" and so takes suicide.
9. Broly forgets to pick up his kids forfeiting the match.:wow:

[Jplaya2023]

wel there could be loads of outcomes.
1. broly could hide until those dreaded 10 minutes are up.



gogeta can sense ki brolly stands no chance

[jimmiejoefro]

Broly's Legendary SSJ is like a SSJ3 in power. I would have to say a SSJ3 Broly would be as close as you could get to challenging Gogeta.

[unstoppable]

Well, since LSSJ is a SSJ level and not Broly all together his SSj3 would not be as great as people assume.So Gogeta beats his ass easily.

[unstoppable]

I doubt that. I think SuperGohanBuu was stronger than SSJ4 Goku, forget Vegitto. Fused beings are always stronger even at low ssj levels. His SSJ2 form makes SSJ3 look like a joke(and thats an understatement since SSJ3 Goku could never even dream of touching SuperGohanBuu). SSJ4 Goku would lose terribley against Veggito. Its not even funny.
I'm sorry, are you retarded.

[Fading]

Edit (deleting both posts) - Actually....nevermind. No offense, just backing slowly outta the DBZ discussion heh. These things never go anywhere :). Pretend I was never here....just the wind....

[Fading]

Edit - deleted my well walls of text that would have dragged me into a DBZ discussion I want no part of lol.

[Jplaya2023]

gogeta wins easily