The Hip Hop Thread

[greenlantern530]

That Nas joint is crack. The roots are OK, but I just dont be feelin their style.
The new Lloyd Banks single is fire.


http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/interscope/lloydbanks/rottenapple/audio/my_house.asx

And is anyone else sick of the south puttin out bull**** records? I live in Ten-a-key and the ish is makin the south look bad.

People hate on G-Unit but can you honestly say half the crap on 106 and Park is better than a lot of G Unit joints?

[Super_Ludacris]

I'm sorry but that My house Joint sucks, I've heard on the radio and mixtape for a few weeks now

Banks flow: mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble G-G-G-G-G mumble, mumble, Sooouja mumble, mumble mumble, Tooold ya mumble mumble

[The Storm]

I've gone back to listening to "The College Dropout - Kanye West" alot recently. It's still my favorite cd. I can't stop bumpin it.

Classic LP :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm gonna get this new Banks single now, just to see if it's as funny as SupaLuda made it out to be. :D

[Super_Ludacris]

That's Banks flow on every song, I wasnt even imitating My House

[Victor Von Doom]

That root's joint is weak. They pretty much peaked with "Things Fall Apart." Not much spectacular, I wouldm't say that black thought killed that track.

Nas's lyrics are a bit better imo, but yeah both of the tracks are weak.

[Colossal Spoons]

Can't get a working version of My House on Limewire. These suckas are gettin slick with these fake files to crack down on filesharing. :mad:

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ anyone using limewire or kazaa still to get songs in 06

Hit up Boxden, a torrent site or Irc and get ALBUMS and MIXTAPES before the drop!

[Colossal Spoons]

I was at Boxden before they got hacked. You remember that?

For the record, this My House track is generic as hell. Typical Banks like SupaLuda said. :down:

[Super_Ludacris]

It's still running

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I know. I visit every now and then.

[The Ether]

Anyone heard AZ's new joint The Format? It's burning hot

http://www.speedyshare.com/840848321.html

[greenlantern530]

I'm sorry but that My house Joint sucks, I've heard on the radio and mixtape for a few weeks now

Banks flow: mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble G-G-G-G-G mumble, mumble, Sooouja mumble, mumble mumble, Tooold ya mumble mumble


Aww, Banks is actually cold on the lyrical side, his delivery is kind of boring but he's nice with the punchline.

And I agree about my house, wasn't feeling it at all, I meant to post hands up not my house. Thats his single My House was scrapped.

[greenlantern530]

lol@ anyone using limewire or kazaa still to get songs in 06

Hit up Boxden, a torrent site or Irc and get ALBUMS and MIXTAPES before the drop!

Word is bond, I use dat piff and mixtape torrents. :up:

[Super_Ludacris]

Anyone heard AZ's new joint The Format? It's burning hot

http://www.speedyshare.com/840848321.html


Yeah I picked it up a few days back, its dope. Primo's production sounds unusally clean on it but it still bangs. Btw y'all know he produced that new Christina Aguleria joint that's on MTV right? It dont even sound Primo aside from the sampling but it's Primo. Dudes diversifing

[_BB_]

The queens royal guards like hip hop.....seriously:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006270996,00.html

funny videos on there :D

[greenlantern530]

WOW @ Ludas new track, who is he goin at??

The track is flames but is he goin at TI? Jeezy? Weezy?

It's on the front page of allhiphop.com

I'm thinkin T.I., maybe he took "I'm Talkin' To you" as a diss to him.

[The Storm]

I thought T.I.'s track was aimed at G Unit.

[Super_Ludacris]

WOW @ Ludas new track, who is he goin at??

The track is flames but is he goin at TI? Jeezy? Weezy?

It's on the front page of allhiphop.com

I'm thinkin T.I., maybe he took "I'm Talkin' To you" as a diss to him.


"Had it out with 'Cris but he still my *****/Sat down talked about like some real *****s"-TI "I'm Talkin to You".

Nah it aint Luda they squashed that. I think TI was goin at Weezy (Best Rapper Alive claim) or Flip still (He was on "What you know about that")

I need to hear the Luda track to see

[greenlantern530]

I thought T.I.'s track was aimed at G Unit.

Nah, TI is down with young buck, they real tight.

[greenlantern530]

Ludas new track is on allhiphop.com

New 50 Cent Mixtape

http://www.mixtapeglobal.biz/images/gu21-tracklist-sm.jpg

1) The Hurricane Game Stripper skit
2) 50 Cent - Make a Movie Out of Em
3) 50 Cent - Paper Chaser
4) Change of Heart Skit
5) 50 Cent -Stop Crying
6) Lloyd Banks feat 50 Cent - Hands Up
7) 50 Cent - Banana Clip
8) Dont Say My name - skit
9) 50 Cent feat Tony Yayo-5 Heartbeats
10) Mobb Deep feat 50 Cent - Nightmares
11) 50 Cent -Misdemeanor
12) 50 Cent -Just too Much
13) Young Buck - In My Hood
13 )Change of Heart outro

[jaydawg]

50 wishes he had The Game's talent.

[eXperiment]

I like 50

[greenlantern530]

50 wishes he had The Game's talent.

That's why 50 wrote half of game's CD, right?

[The Storm]

Nah, TI is down with young buck, they real tight.

True say, Young Buck features on T.I.'s album King on a track called Undertaker.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ain't nothing like REAL HIP HOP

[greenlantern530]

Any1 catch the BET awards? Can't believe they made the Video of the year award a TIE just to appease Kanye West.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Who really cares about ANY award shows?

[Champagne]

lol@ anyone using limewire or kazaa still to get songs in 06

Hit up Boxden, a torrent site or Irc and get ALBUMS and MIXTAPES before the drop!

Ouch, I love my KaZaA.:(

[Mike059jig]

I still use Limewire:) .....I listen Hip-hop..years ago I used to get every mixtape that come out...now I just use the hip-hop chart and the billboard hot 100 to see what to download....I don't listen to it as much as I use to

[The Storm]

Any1 catch the BET awards? Can't believe they made the Video of the year award a TIE just to appease Kanye West.

Who did he tie with? We don't have BET in the UK so I missed out on the show all I know is T.I. won something :)

[greenlantern530]

He tied with Mary J Blige.

[Victor Von Doom]

So can Kanye not freestyle at all?

Everytime I see this guy he's coppin out. That **** he did in the basement was a joke, and everytime i do see a glimpse of something he does, it's weak.

[The Ether]

yeah, I thought so too. he was in canada one time with jay z and rihanna talking about there new albums and everyone wanted to hear him freestyle but he kept declining until the end of the show. The freestyle was weak but everyone cheered i guess mostly cause the guy finally did it.

[Super_Ludacris]

Who the **** cares if he cant freestyle. Aint **** for Free anyways. Bottom line that ***** STILL rips the **** outta a mic with that double time sylaball flow

[Topdawg]

did anyone hear the game's On blood?

[Topdawg]

edit

[terry78]

Getting this thread back on track. Masta Killa, Meth aka Method Man, and Short Dog aka Too Short all have just released new ones this month. Probably liking Killa's album the most out of all three, as he seems to be going a little more old school Wu-Tang as opposed to the rest of them that have recent cuts released.

[Mr. Walters]

I might show my age here, but I think rap has sucked pretty much since 95. From about 85 to 95 it was fresh, fun and innovative. It emphasized music and lyrics, not *****es and bling. Today, rap is a joke. Not only are today's artists more in love with themselves than the artfrom they are involved in, but they have far less talent. The early Naughty By Nature or LL Cool J blows anything by Nelly or 50 Cent out of the water. 50 Cent makes me yawn. Eminem was cool until he got popular. Then he went from being funny to being down right obnoxious. Give me metal any day.

[Darkdd]

You have to look for good music.

[Cmill216]

Oh, snap. I was wondering where this thread went. :up:

[bunk]

So can Kanye not freestyle at all?

Everytime I see this guy he's coppin out. That **** he did in the basement was a joke, and everytime i do see a glimpse of something he does, it's weak.

The thing that pisses me off about Kanye is how he tries to brag about not writing his s*** down when he gets in the booth. Dude thinks hes Jay but he's not I don't care if he writes in his head which he probably doesn't

[Super_Ludacris]

Kane can flow though

[Incrediblejeff]

The funniest thing happened to me my cousins tried to convince me that Young Joc was a better Rapper than NaS lol.

Oh,and I just brought Method Man's new album.It's hot.

[Colossal Spoons]

^I don't even like Nas but your cousin must have been high to say somethin like that lol.

[jimmy]

Gangsterlicious is da bomb.

[samurai black]

Hip Hop is a great form of art. The creativity spawned from hip hop (dancing, dj'ing,rhyming, beatmaking, clothing, language) is felt worldwide. It is the music that is defining our generation.

[Incrediblejeff]

^I don't even like Nas but your cousin must have been high to say somethin like that lol.

Nah they were'nt High.They just really think Joc is the best Mc out there along with Young Jeezy,Rick Ross & Mike Jones.I was arguing with them at first then I let it go.

[Swiftman]

immortal technique: :up: :)

[Edd Extraordinaire]

I will only listen to one hip hop artist, and it is because he is the truth.

http://dallas.metblogs.com/photos/andres%20serrano%20snoop%20dogg%202002.jpg

[RogueLDN]

hip hop sucks my fat one

[The Ether]

whoa, been a long time since I came back here. anyways it's been a good couple months of hip hop for me. Method Man's new album is all out banger, and Lupe's album is right at this moment the best album this year just downloaded a couple of days and I haven't stoped listening to it. pure straight hip hop.

and for all you canucks in the thread, Tribe called quest coming to toronto I wanted to go but the damn tickets got sold out the first day I might have to go to some scalper lol.

[Cmill216]

^ Well if Food & Liquor (the "legit" one) is as good as the leaked tracks, I'll be buying it.

[The Ether]

I'm planning to buy it also, it's been a while since I heard true hip hop from some new blood.

[The Ether]

I'm planning to buy it also, it's been a while since I heard true hip hop from some new blood.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I think Lupe's album will be dope, simply for the fact that he isn't making music for anyone except himself, and that is the best kind. Hopefully he stays true, Hip Hop needs some fresh air

[Slipknot]

Mattafix... one of the few Hip-Hop groups that I like.

[Colossal Spoons]

Anybody hear the whole Idlewild soundtrack; if so, how is it?

[KingOfDreams]

Anybody hear the whole Idlewild soundtrack; if so, how is it?

All I've heard is "Idlewild Blue." Good song. Andre can do anything.

[terry78]

classof3000.com

That is all.

[The Ether]

who heard Method Man's latest album, it's amazing I might think it could be better than fishscale

[Incrediblejeff]

Brought it about a month ago,and I'm loving it.It's hard for me to say if it's better than Fishscale though.

[The Ether]

I don't know, there's just something in the album that makes me want to listen to it more than fishscale. probably because of 'say'

[Topdawg]

Jay-z is making a new album "Kingdom Come".:D

sorry if old.

[kal-el1990]

blaze is awsome been listnin 2 sum of his stuff n i like it. hIP HOP IS THE ONLY MUSIC I LIKE

[Colossal Spoons]

classof3000.com

That is all.

Heh, what's Andre up to with that?

Jay-z is making a new album "Kingdom Come".:D

sorry if old.

News to me, just made my day. Good look :up::D

[Incrediblejeff]

I don't know, there's just something in the album that makes me want to listen to it more than fishscale. probably because of 'say'
I'm Lovin that song right now,but my Favorites are Fall out,Walk on,and Konichiwa *****es.

[Cyrusbales]

Keep it real witha HILL!!! CYRPRESS HILL OWN! House of pain also are awesome!

[Cinemaman]

I don't like hip-hop, R&B and Pop music :down

[terry78]

I don't like hip-hop, R&B and Pop music :down
So basically whatever's not played on the radio.

[Kmack]

I don't like hip-hop, R&B and Pop music :down
Whoa, way to limit yourself. You're missing out on a lot of good *****:o

[Cinemaman]

Whoa, way to limit yourself. You're missing out on a lot of good *****:o

That's actually my own deal. And even if I don't like them, I like some songs from these genres.

[Super_Ludacris]

smh@ some of you just finding out now about Jay making an album

How lame does Rass Kass look now after getting knocked out by Game...

[Colossal Spoons]

smh@ myself :o

[Cyrusbales]

most hip hop is crap, but there are a few good artists, very few tho

[Super_Ludacris]

Wrong on so many levels. There's plenty of good Hip Hop, your obviously not a listener or a fan....

[terry78]

most hip hop is crap, but there are a few good artists, very few tho
Did you not read my post making fun of those that use the "can't spell crap without rap" line? You've already lost points in your argument, bro. ;)

[Cyrusbales]

Wrong on so many levels. There's plenty of good Hip Hop, your obviously not a listener or a fan....

Old school stuff is much better, ie=NWA, house of pain, and cypress hill, but almost all of the new stuff that gets played constantly all sounds pretty much the same, as a musical genre, it sucks, but there are a few artists who can make it fantastic!

[AndThePickles]

Old school stuff is much better, ie=NWA, house of pain, and cypress hill, but almost all of the new stuff that gets played constantly all sounds pretty much the same, as a musical genre, it sucks, but there are a few artists who can make it fantastic!

Well, of course if you only listen to what's played on BET it will mainly be the "pop hip-hop" as I like to term it.

[Cyrusbales]

Well, of course if you only listen to what's played on BET it will mainly be the "pop hip-hop" as I like to term it.

can someone please post a list of supposed 'good' hip-hop, and then these comment of mine willl be less ambiguous.

[Super_Ludacris]

can someone please post a list of supposed 'good' hip-hop, and then these comment of mine willl be less ambiguous.


Nas
The Roots
Saigon
Papoose
Rhymefest
Talib Kweli
David Banner
Redman
Wu-Tang
Little Brother
Gangstarr
MOP
Xzibit
Likwit Crew
Alkoholks
Planet Asia
Outkast
Goodie Mob
Jay-Z
Lupe Fiasco
Group Home
Slum Village
Dogg Pound
Busta Rhymes
Kanye West
Common
Big Daddy Kane
Krs-One
Rakim

**** that mainstream Cypress Hill, House of Pain ****, when was the last time you listen to rap 93?

[Cyrusbales]

Nas
The Roots
Saigon
Papoose
Rhymefest
Talib Kweli
David Banner
Redman
Wu-Tang
Little Brother
Gangstarr
MOP
Xzibit
Likwit Crew
Alkoholks
Planet Asia
Outkast
Goodie Mob
Jay-Z
Lupe Fiasco
Group Home
Slum Village
Dogg Pound
Busta Rhymes
Kanye West
Common
Big Daddy Kane
Krs-One
Rakim

**** that mainstream Cypress Hill, House of Pain ****, when was the last time you listen to rap 93?

cypress hill are still releasing material, and it's much better than most of that list, altho old school Wu-tang was awesome, pre-gravil pit days, shaolin style and so forth.

[KingOfDreams]

can someone please post a list of supposed 'good' hip-hop, and then these comment of mine willl be less ambiguous.

Common
Cypress Hill
Outkast
The Roots
Mos Def
Black Star
Snoop Dogg
Psyche Origami
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=8605794
The Word Association
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8031068
Atmosphere
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=1856356
Eminem
Xzibit
Ice-T
Jurassic 5

[Cyrusbales]

Common
Cypress Hill
Outkast
The Roots
Mos Def
Black Star
Snoop Dogg-mixed quality, some genius, some not so hot
Psyche Origami
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=8605794
The Word Association
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8031068
Atmosphere
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=1856356
Eminem
Xzibit
Ice-T
Jurassic 5

these are good, do you like bodycount?(ice-T and his band?)

[Super_Ludacris]

Why do listen to all this old school gangsta ****. That's stuff is cool but it's mainstream/ suburban white boy as hell and old....

No wonder you think that about Hip Hop...

[Super_Ludacris]

cypress hill are still releasing material, and it's much better than most of that list, altho old school Wu-tang was awesome, pre-gravil pit days, shaolin style and so forth.

Oh dont be stupid, you really are out of loop from rap just admit it. Cypress Hill havent made a good album since 19 ****ing 95 and meanwhile it's universally acknowledge by Hip Hop fans that Nas, Kane, Rakim and KRS are some of the best rappers of the genre and common/kweli/def are some of the credible Hip Hop

[Cyrusbales]

Oh dont be stupid, you really are out of loop from rap just admit it. Cypress Hill havent made a good album since 19 ****ing 95 and meanwhile it's universally acknowledge by Hip Hop fans that Nas, Kane, Rakim and KRS are some of the best rappers of the genre and common/kweli/def are some of the credible Hip Hop

"out of the loop" "gangsta ****", this is why i don't like a lot of rap thesedays, it's all the same, made by people who wanna be gansta's, and talk like this. And all sounds the same as they're all trying to cash in on the same thing. And the people who listen to a lot of these, are similar. If your talking about rap on the whole(instead of just hip-hop), then horrorcore is much better than hiphop. More talented and sounds better, not to mention it being more unique and diverse.

[KingOfDreams]

these are good, do you like bodycount?(ice-T and his band?)

Body Count is a pretty cool band. Really one of the only good rap-metal bands. I read about the band awhile ago since I knew the music but not the band and even though they were rock they were more gangsta than a lot of rappers. And I know it's kind of ridiculous that I'm saying gangsta because I'm a suburbinite white guy. I know Ice-T is busy acting these days but I'd like to see him bring Body Count back. There was a rumor that the band was going to play Ozzfest a couple years ago but that never materialized.

[Cyrusbales]

Body Count is a pretty cool band. Really one of the only good rap-metal bands. I read about the band awhile ago since I knew the music but not the band and even though they were rock they were more gangsta than a lot of rappers. And I know it's kind of ridiculous that I'm saying gangsta because I'm a suburbinite white guy. I know Ice-T is busy acting these days but I'd like to see him bring Body Count back. There was a rumor that the band was going to play Ozzfest a couple years ago but that never materialized.

they played Reading festival in England at the end of August this year, they finished their set with 'hey joe', since he said 'well I'm a black guy with a guitar, gotta play hey joe' lol

[Super_Ludacris]

"out of the loop" "gangsta ****", this is why i don't like a lot of rap thesedays, it's all the same, made by people who wanna be gansta's, and talk like this. And all sounds the same as they're all trying to cash in on the same thing. And the people who listen to a lot of these, are similar. If your talking about rap on the whole(instead of just hip-hop), then horrorcore is much better than hiphop. More talented and sounds better, not to mention it being more unique and diverse.


So you think Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli are gangsta?

And all rap listeners are the same? Hip Hop has one of the most largest fanbases and diverse sub genres. Listen to some of your local rappers like Sway, Akala, Miss Dynamite there not gangsta but talented

Try again. Usually brits have an ecletic taste for music and hip hop culture is represented well there in the outlets) ( 1extra radio, Giles Petterson, zane Lowe)

[KingOfDreams]

they played Reading festival in England at the end of August this year, they finished their set with 'hey joe', since he said 'well I'm a black guy with a guitar, gotta play hey joe' lol

So they are back. That's cool.

[Cyrusbales]

So you think Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli are gangsta?

And all rap listeners are the same? Hip Hop has one of the most largest fanbases and diverse sub genres. Listen to some of your local rappers like Sway, Akala, Miss Dynamite there not gangsta but talented

Try again. Usually brits have an ecletic taste for music and hip hop culture is represented well there in the outlets) ( 1extra radio, Giles Petterson, zane Lowe)

Miss dynamite? You've lost my respect now. Some good rappers you not heard of prob, Qstrange, Twiztid, Blaze and Esham.

[Super_Ludacris]

Miss dynamite? You've lost my respect now. Some good rappers you not heard of prob, Qstrange, Twiztid, Blaze and Esham.

Esham is a ****ing terrible rapper. His whole career has been on shock rap that no one has cared about outside of Detroit.

Judging by your taste in rappers, I suspect you were a nu-metal fan when that genre was big back in the mid 90's-early 00's correct?
All that horrocore **** that crackity cracks listen to. You listen to ICP too dont you?

[Cyrusbales]

Also. Hip-hop is derived from what is 'hip' and 'popular', it's basically mainstream rap. Rap as a genre is very wide, yes, but hip hop is not.

[Cyrusbales]

Esham is a ****ing terrible rapper. His whole career has been on shock rap that no one has cared about outside of Detroit.

Judging by your taste in rappers, I suspect you were a nu-metal fan when that genre was big back in the mid 90's-early 00's correct?
All that horrocore **** that crackity cracks listen to. You listen to ICP too dont you?

some ICP was good, nothing for a few years, and i refer back to my point about hip-hop, people like it BECUASE it's popular and mainstream and they like lots of artists because they sound the same!

Esham has porduced some fantastic work, someone who thinks he's only about 'shock' obviously hasn't listened to much of him.

And i'm not in detroit, lol

[Super_Ludacris]

Also. Hip-hop is derived from what is 'hip' and 'popular', it's basically mainstream rap. Rap as a genre is very wide, yes, but hip hop is not.

Hip Hop is an art culture consisting of the elements of DJing, Graffitti, MCing, breakdancing. MCing is only one form which is rap. Rap is what yo do when you performing Hip Hop

"Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you are""-Krs One. It's the basic art of street culture started in New York damn near 40 years ago and is seen worlwide today duh.

It's the same element. lol@ you actually thinking it was the other way around. Go look it up.

[Super_Ludacris]

some ICP was good, nothing for a few years, and i refer back to my point about hip-hop, people like it BECUASE it's popular and mainstream and they like lots of artists because they sound the same!

Esham has porduced some fantastic work, someone who thinks he's only about 'shock' obviously hasn't listened to much of him.

And i'm not in detroit, lol


Esham **** is wack that horrocore stuff the Hip Hop version of the B-Movie horror genre. There is so much better rap. But your a kid so your probably still developing your taste in music.

[Cyrusbales]

Esham **** is wack that horrocore stuff the Hip Hop version of the B-Movie horror genre. There is so much better rap. But your a kid so your probably still developing your taste in music.

"**** is wack", do you actually talk like this? This is what I mean about Hip-hop, it's people TRYING so hard to be cool, and that's the best they come up with, Jamie Mattdrox and Monoxide child are two of the most talented rappers around, if your looking for freestlying ability and speed/precision, not to mention writing ability. But go ahead and listen to your 50 cent...

[KingOfDreams]

Hip-Hop/Rap obviously owes a lot to George Clinton and Jamaican toasters but who is generally considered the first of the genre? Grandmaster Flash? Africa Bambaataa? I know Sugarhill Gang had the first hit with "Rapper's Delight" but they couldn't have been the first.

[Colossal Spoons]

"**** is wack", do you actually talk like this? This is what I mean about Hip-hop, it's people TRYING so hard to be cool, and that's the best they come up with, Jamie Mattdrox and Monoxide child are two of the most talented rappers around, if your looking for freestlying ability and speed/precision, not to mention writing ability. But go ahead and listen to your 50 cent...

Haha, I know what you mean. SupaLuda isn't alone though; the rap fans are split into two groups: SupaLuda's people who speak, talk, and live the music and people like me who just listen to it and talk "normally".

[Cyrusbales]

Haha, I know what you mean. SupaLuda isn't alone though; the rap fans are split into two groups: SupaLuda's people who speak, talk, and live the music and people like me who just listen to it and talk "normally".

my music tastes are quite weird and mixed, so I listen to a hell of a lot of blues, then some rock, black sabbath, led zeppelin etc, then i like some folk, arlo guthrie and loudon wainwright, as well as some rap. I don't let my musical preferences be determined by poluarity or 'coolness', I just like what I like, and can't understand why some people listen to loads of artists who all sound the same?

[Super_Ludacris]

"**** is wack", do you actually talk like this? This is what I mean about Hip-hop, it's people TRYING so hard to be cool, and that's the best they come up with, Jamie Mattdrox and Monoxide child are two of the most talented rappers around, if your looking for freestlying ability and speed/precision, not to mention writing ability. But go ahead and listen to your 50 cent...


Hip Hop isnt trying to be cool, it's the culture from black people which evolutionsed and black people have always had the status quo on whats cool and other races have tried to copy. After all Rock N Roll was started by black people like Chuck Berry.
Who says I listen to fif? Son is weak but know your history it's all black music, Hip Hop is Black music and it's reached and done by others

"Blues came from gospel, gospel from blues.........Bridging the Gap from Blues to Jazz to to rap....."- Nas

But the fact is if your favourites are so cool then where's the crediblity and celebatory for them? It's not even like credible staples of the cutlure like Fader, XXL, Stress, Ego Trippin, Sohh are co-signing those no-names. But it's laughable for you to even insinuate that whatever those two guys you just named are better writers than Nas and Rakim.
That's like me saying Undeground Joe is better than Pearl Jam or something...

[Super_Ludacris]

Haha, I know what you mean. SupaLuda isn't alone though; the rap fans are split into two groups: SupaLuda's people who speak, talk, and live the music and people like me who just listen to it and talk "normally".

Hip Hop is so much apart of everyday culture in terms of dress and speak and influenced on other music, I dont even see how you can play that " Us against them" mind state. Besides, how can people on a comic book/movie forum critisice elitism? I'm not even saying all that, I'm just saying the basics.

[Super_Ludacris]

my music tastes are quite weird and mixed, so I listen to a hell of a lot of blues, then some rock, black sabbath, led zeppelin etc, then i like some folk, arlo guthrie and loudon wainwright, as well as some rap. I don't let my musical preferences be determined by poluarity or 'coolness', I just like what I like, and can't understand why some people listen to loads of artists who all sound the same?

The artists I named are not what's co-signed by MTV or anything, they are however credited by many people with eclectic tastes ( from Zane Lowe, to Pitchfolk to Fader and other staples of music) But I'm not trying to force you to like, all you gotta do is pick up a common cd or something see the points that people like about him and then even you can see and respect. For example I dont even listen to rock but I can see why people listen to Slipknot, I get the fasicnation and energy of there stuff that made them popular when they came out. But that's neither nor there, I'm just saying you cant discredit what's credible by naming random dudes who suck.

[Cyrusbales]

Hip Hop isnt trying to be cool, it's the culture from black people which evolutionsed and black people have always had the status quo on whats cool and other races have tried to copy. After all Rock N Roll was started by black people like Chuck Berry.
Who says I listen to fif? Son is weak but know your history it's all black music, Hip Hop is Black music and it's reached and done by others

"Blues came from gospel, gospel from blues.........Bridging the Gap from Blues to Jazz to to rap....."- Nas

But the fact is if your favourites are so cool then where's the crediblity and celebatory for them? It's not even like credible staples of the cutlure like Fader, XXL, Stress, Ego Trippin, Sohh are co-signing those no-names. But it's laughable for you to even insinuate that whatever those two guys you just named are better writers than Nas and Rakim.
That's like me saying Undeground Joe is better than Pearl Jam or something...

LMFAO! Thank you for the amusing evening entertainment, so you insult people who you've never heard of? At least if you'd listened to them it would be reasonable. But I fear you would refuse to like anything that isn't what you conceive to be "da tru sound of da streets"(as I'd imagine you'd put it.) And not all black people, even those into rap, feel the need to act in such a way, it's like an overcompensation for something. If people have to adopt this personality, it seems weird. I've met lots of people who all listen to the same music like Tupac etc, and they all act in the exact same way. And all buy music that sounds as close to what they already listen to as possible. It's sad really, can't people enjoy music, it's diversity etc, without condemning it into a 'way of life' and a culture, especially when it breeds an air of hostility, and creates divides among people. It's people who take it too far with the whole talking like someone without an education for no reason, that makes me detest the 'music scene', it's like where Ali G was a huge pisstake, then people started acting like him to be cool! HE WAS TAKING THE PISS!!! EVERYONE LAUGHS AT THESE 'GANGSTA' TYPE PEOPLE WHO TALK LIKE THIS, AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT EXCEPT THEM!

[Cyrusbales]

The artists I named are not what's co-signed by MTV or anything, they are however credited by many people with eclectic tastes ( from Zane Lowe, to Pitchfolk to Fader and other staples of music) But I'm not trying to force you to like, all you gotta do is pick up a common cd or something see the points that people like about him and then even you can see and respect. For example I dont even listen to rock but I can see why people listen to Slipknot, I get the fasicnation and energy of there stuff that made them popular when they came out. But that's neither nor there, I'm just saying you cant discredit what's credible by naming random dudes who suck.

random dudes who suck, random dudes you've not heard of. A simple misconception that the great thinker ludwig wittgenstein shall clear up, "one cannot know beyond the limits of one's own knowledge". Or in terms you'll understand: You can't diss wha you aint listened to, that be trippin home boy!

And I bid you Good night!

[Colossal Spoons]

Hip Hop is so much apart of everyday culture in terms of dress and speak and influenced on other music, I dont even see how you can play that " Us against them" mind state. Besides, how can people on a comic book/movie forum critisice elitism? I'm not even saying all that, I'm just saying the basics.

It ain't "us against them" cuz we're both on the same "team". Just that you smh@ things and I say "I'm surprised that...". I'm even willing to bet some money that we dress completely different as well. I'd still shake your hand on the street and we could talk about Nas vs Jay-Z till we pass out lol.

[Super_Ludacris]

LMFAO! Thank you for the amusing evening entertainment, so you insult people who you've never heard of? At least if you'd listened to them it would be reasonable. But I fear you would refuse to like anything that isn't what you conceive to be "da tru sound of da streets"(as I'd imagine you'd put it.) And not all black people, even those into rap, feel the need to act in such a way, it's like an overcompensation for something. If people have to adopt this personality, it seems weird. I've met lots of people who all listen to the same music like Tupac etc, and they all act in the exact same way.

It has nothing to do with the true sound of the street (but thanks for playing the role of a minstrel and mocking ). I've listen to guys like the dudes you've mentioned and you said that the guys I mentioned who are major legendary acts in the music of Hip Hop are nothing compared to guys like Esham and that's just silly cause I dont even think the guys you mentioned wouldnt believe that. Now your problem is the fact I " act in such a way". Whats that? because I said "**** is wack" (which means it's not good) or that I carry and elitist attitude? Well, everyone who is a fan of anything can say that. Like you dont see comic book or movie fans do that here? Of course you do, same with fans in other genres. I'm not go to a fan of alternative and be like Run DMC are "The Kings of Rock" like they made a song saying would I?






And all buy music that sounds as close to what they already listen to as possible. It's sad really, can't people enjoy music, it's diversity etc, without condemning it into a 'way of life' and a culture, especially when it breeds an air of hostility, and creates divides among people. It's people who take it too far with the whole talking like someone without an education for no reason, that makes me detest the 'music scene', it's like where Ali G was a huge pisstake, then people started acting like him to be cool! HE WAS TAKING THE PISS!!! EVERYONE LAUGHS AT THESE 'GANGSTA' TYPE PEOPLE WHO TALK LIKE THIS, AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT EXCEPT THEM!


Who said it creates an air of hostiity? lol are you that shook from this debate? No, simply we are saying that it silly to say a novelty genre like horrocore (which has a flagging history and breeded a great deal of patchy work) is better or superior to the genuine article of lyricists like Rakim, Common and Nas who are not simply pigeonholed as gangsta like say an NWA and have diverse topics. You dont even have to be that deep of a Hip Hop fan or a complete fan to recognised that.
Ali G is another argument altogether, he's funny when interview other people but he isnt mocking the culture rather the attitude of a select number of people in a area (ie "Chavs"in Staines), to link him as a mockery to whole culture would look alien to the hip hop generation in Atlanta, New York, Koln, Paris, Vancouver etc or other areas where Hip Hop culture is different thant the UK. But even in that case many black comedians in the UK thought Ali G was a modern day Minstrel Show and that's contreversial and debatable within itself.

Gets a little bit more broader than you think....

[Super_Ludacris]

It ain't "us against them" cuz we're both on the same "team". Just that you smh@ things and I say "I'm surprised that...". I'm even willing to bet some money that we dress completely different as well. I'd still shake your hand on the street and we could talk about Nas vs Jay-Z till we pass out lol.


Speaking on Nas and Jay, I just got a text from my friend in the UK. Nas came out as a suprised appearance at the Wembly Arena show in London that Jay was doing (Beyonce was there) and the crowd went nuts. I know UK Hip Hop fans love there New York Hip Hop so that''s major

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm kicking myself for buying into that whole fued in the first place.

[KingOfDreams]

Found this on MySpace. I don't really even know what to think yet. Not sure if I like it or not...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=82307761

[The Ether]

I'm kicking myself for buying into that whole fued in the first place.It's all good, everyone was into the whole beef anyways. hell my friends and I still go on about it even though the beef has been done long time.

[Venom Drool]

hip hope album.. the best in years goes to Fort Minor.. guaranteed

[terry78]

hip hope album.. the best in years goes to Fort Minor.. guaranteed
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...oh, you're serious. :p


That's like suburban psuedo rap what he does. He's got producers on his album that have always been mainstays in the hip hop world, but come on now.


The latest one with Snoop Dogg and B-Real, that takes me back to the days of 1993-1994 Snoop.

[Cmill216]

As much as I love Food & Liquor (the "retail" version), it's tough to appreciate because as good as it is, the leaked stuff that I spoonfed myself with over the last months kinda took away from the experience of the album as a whole for me.

[The Ether]

that's your fault not mine, I starved myself till I reached the main course and it taste's oh so sweet:up:

[The Ether]

but there were some songs in the retail version I'm sure aren't in the leaked one

[KingOfDreams]

hip hope album.. the best in years goes to Fort Minor.. guaranteed

I like the beats...but Mike Shinoda can't rap for ****. It's even worse in Linkin Park. I wouldn't hate the band so much if they got rid of him.

[Super_Ludacris]

smh@ these cheese crackers thinking Fort Minor is credible

Sit down whiteboys

[Neptune]

All i can say is: Ludacris - girls gone wild :yay:
And yeah Mike Shinoda can't rap.

[Cmill216]

but there were some songs in the retail version I'm sure aren't in the leaked one

Real, The Cool, He Say She Say, The Emperor's Soundtrack. I think those were the only ones.

[Super_Ludacris]

Saigon's leaked version of his LP>>>>> Lupe's

Matter of fact

"Pain in my Life" and "Dont do that">>>> Fiasco's catalouge

[Colossal Spoons]

My boy called my to hype up Lupe's CD a few days ago. I'm hearing a ton of good things but the reason I'm discouraged is cuz I really wasn't that impressed w/ "Kick Push" and it got old FAST.

[Super_Ludacris]

Kick Push had one of the best beats this year. Some classic 94 ish right there

Luda's new LP is weak.....worst one since Chicken N Beer. Only the joint wit Jeezy bangs..Oh well.

[Venom Drool]

dont give a damn as its the only kip hop i enjoy outside some dr dre

[Colossal Spoons]

I got a guy bringing me Lupe's CD right now :D

I knew Luda's CD was gonna be weak as soon as he said 'It's gonna be like nothing else I've ever done". I wasn't even feelin Money Maker to bo honest. A shame too, I was bumpin Word of Mouf just today.

[Super_Ludacris]

the **** is Kip Hop crackity-crack?

[Colossal Spoons]

It'd say it was a typo but you'd have to skip right over "j" to hit "k" if you were aiming for "h".

[Incrediblejeff]

I really need to get Lupe's album.It's really nice.

http://blogs.sohh.com/ya_heard/archives/2006/09/preacher_has_pr.html
lol @ Jay-Z being evil.

[Super_Ludacris]

I seen that youtube earlier of Jay lol

[Colossal Spoons]

I can't watch that clip right now but **** that preacher anyway.

[Super_Ludacris]

I cant wait for Hi-Tek's new album. Nas, Common, Busta, Mos Def and some posthomous J-Dilla collabos are gonna be it

[Colossal Spoons]

Supa, you said Saigon's LP had leaked track(s); when's it due out in stores?

[Super_Ludacris]

Supa, you said Saigon's LP had leaked track(s); when's it due out in stores?

07 but tracks have been leaking out over time. The 05 leak was hot

Kiss the Babies
Colour Purple
Ay Nygga
True Story
Dont Do That
Ass Whooped (w/Twista)
Yep Yep (w/ Tru-Life)

are all:wow:

[Cmill216]

smh@ you keep saying smh@. :p

[Super_Ludacris]

Standard Online Hip Hop thing"

And if you dont know...now you know- Rap's own Frank White (aka BIG for all you slow mu'frukkas)

[Cmill216]

The Game said on 106 & Park that his new album is the "most anticpated new album in the world right now" or something like that.

Word? :whatever:

[GoldenAgeHero]

yeesh this thread is like where black congregate.

and the game sucks.

[Colossal Spoons]

The Game said on 106 & Park that his new album is the "most anticpated new album in the world right now" or something like that.

Word? :whatever:

Heh, I love hearing artists say dumb crap like that about their albums. Kanye hyped up his 2nd album...hated it. Luda is hypin the hell ot of his next CD.....Luda said it was weak and I don't doubt it. We'll see if Game can back up his words.

[The Ether]

I cant wait for Hi-Tek's new album. Nas, Common, Busta, Mos Def and some posthomous J-Dilla collabos are gonna be it
Luda, you heard 'Where it started at' by Papoose, Rae, Jada, and Kweli? its super sick

[The Ether]

Heh, I love hearing artists say dumb crap like that about their albums. Kanye hyped up his 2nd album...hated it. Luda is hypin the hell ot of his next CD.....Luda said it was weak and I don't doubt it. We'll see if Game can back up his words.
To be honest, I just don't care. but I'll check it out just for the heck of it

[The Ether]

anyone heard? Raekwon is signed to Aftermath, Raekwon and Dre can't wait for that:up:

[Dangerous]

Vanilla Ice is good,
there has not really been anything worth listening too since him.

[The Ether]

Az's The format is coming in Nov 7 I hear, can't wait for it to come.
Been listening to his song The format non-stop.

[Cmill216]

Finally got around to listening to Saigon's Greatest Story Never Told.

Sick stuff. Dude's amazing. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

I picked up Luda's CD over the weekend. I can't believe he released that to the public. That LP is really serious which shouldn't be a bad thing but I felt damn near depressed by the end of the CD. In total, I like about 4/14 songs and will be putting them on my mp3 player while the rest of that Cd collects dust under my bad. For shame Luda :(

Kingdom Come better not disappoint.

[dmcnx]

http://www.myspace.com/swaydasafo

UK Hip Hop:up:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

best song in the universe:

Uhhh, uhhh, uh, cmon

Hah, sicka than your average poppa
Twist cabbage off instinct *****z dont think **** stink
Pink gators, my detroit players
Timbs for my hooligans in brooklyn
Dead right, if they head right, biggie there air nike
Poppa been smooth since days of underroos
Never lose, never choose to, bruise crews who
Do something to us, talk go through us
Girls walk to us, wanna do us, screw us
Who us? yeah, poppa and puff (ehehehe)
Close like starsky and hutch, stick the clutch
Dare I squeeze three at your cherry m-3
(take that, take that, take that, haha!)
Bang every mc easily, busily
Recently *****z frontin aint sayin nuttin (nope)
So I just speak my peace, (cmon) keep my peace
Cubans with the jesus piece (thank you God), with my peeps
Packin, askin who want it, you got it ***** flaunt it
That brooklyn bull****, we on it

Biggie biggie biggie cant you see
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
And I just love your flashy ways
Guess thats why they broke, and youre so paid (uh)

I put hoes in ny onto dkny (uh-huh)
Miami, d.c. prefer versace (thats right)
All philly hoes, dough and moschino (cmon)
Every cutie wit a booty bought a coogi (haaaaah!)
Now whos the real dookie, meanin whos really the ****
Them *****z ride *****, frank white push the sticks
On the lexus, lx, four and a half
Bulletproof glass tints if I want some ass
Gon blast squeeze first ask questions last
Thats how most of these so-called gangsters pass
At last, a ***** rappin bout blunts and broads
Tits and bras, menage-a-tois, sex in expensive cars
I still leave you on the pavement
Condo paid for, no car payment
At my arraignment, note for the plantiff
Your daughters tied up in a brooklyn basement (shhh)
Face it, not guilty, thats how I stay filthy (not guilty)
Richer than richie, till you *****z come and get me

I can fill ya wit real millionaire **** (I can fill ya)
Escargot, my car go, one sixty, swiftly
Wreck it buy a new one
Your crew run run run, your crew run run
I know you sick of this, name brand ***** wit
Flows girls say hes sweet like licorice
So get with this *****, its easy
Girlfriend heres a pen, call me round ten
Come through, have sex on rugs thats persian (thats right)
Come up to your job, hit you while you workin (uhh)
For certain, poppa freakin, not speakin
Leave that ass leakin, like rapper demo
Tell them hoe, take they clothes off slowly
Hit em wit the force like obe, dick black like toby (obe... toby)
Watch me roam like gobe, lucky they dont owe me
Where the safe show me, homey.. (say what, homey)

Biggie biggie biggie cant you see
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
And I just love your flashy ways
Guess thats why they broke, and youre so paid

[Lpilgrim]

so anybody wanna say which emcees they think have the best rhyme patterns?

[Colossal Spoons]

I dunno who I think is the best; but I'll tell you who's I'm starting to appreciate: Young Dro. His lyrics are garbage just like everything else these days but I'm feelin his flow.

[terry78]

I dunno who I think is the best; but I'll tell you who's I'm starting to appreciate: Young Dro. His lyrics are garbage just like everything else these days but I'm feelin his flow.
I feel you on that one. Somebody needs to just get new writers for these dudes. And as cliche as it is to mention, I usually bump a lot of MF Doom stuff when I'm in the car. He's the mainstay for everyone that claims they're into underground, but it works.

[Colossal Spoons]

JD needs to go back to ghostwriting for everybody :o

[CrypticOne]

Me, I'm picky and choosey about what hip-hop and/or rap artists I will listen to. Basically, I hate music that relies on "nice beats to shake ya ass to" to sell. However, I do enjoy MCs who tell stories in their songs or at least have interesting/thought provoking things to talk about (i.e. Nas, Kanye West, Eminem, Jay-Z, etc.) and if they have a few club hits on the album, so be it.

If you are a fan of hip-hop and/or rap that has something to talk about and are looking to hear something new, check out my friend JayBlaze, an upcoming MC hailing from Oakland, CA @ http://www.myspace.com/jayblaze2005 and let me know what you think.

I like hip-hop. Nas, Eminem, and Immortal Technique are three of my all-time favorite emcees.

[terry78]

I'm starting to get into Rhymefest and Aceyalone.

[Cmill216]

I've been digging Gym Class Heroes as of late (a nice alternative if you ask me). Saigon's gonna be in my playlist for a while, though.

[chamber-music]

I am into Gym Class Heroes, Kanye West, Rhymefest, Lupe Fiasco, Common, MF Doom, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, pharell and old school hip hop.

I am not into that Gangster Bulls**t that took over mainstream rap in the 90's. When peeps like NWA and Ice T started it they where talking about their lifes and their songs had a messege, to many of these rappers nowhere days just talk about how gangster they are just to sell CDs. You buy their album and its 14 songs about the same stuff girls, bling, what car they got. Its Boring.

I've got some unheard kanye west tracks where he says people where saying he shouldn't rap because his never sold drugs, killed some one and beacuse he went to college.

[Cyrusbales]

Ice T is good, he's back touring with Bodycount again

[Ultra-Herald9]

I'm a big Nas,Kanye,Rhymfest,and a tribe called quest fan. I hope rap gets back on track cause we can't continue to go down this path of unoriginality. I ust goes to show the potential of rap since nowdays pretty much all mainsteam songs just talk about rims and women and yet we are still doing pretty well.

[TKing]

I thought all Rap music was the same song, just a different bimbo airbrushed onto the CD cover. :huh:

[Cmill216]

I thought all Rap music was the same song, just a different bimbo airbrushed onto the CD cover. :huh:

:whatever:

[TKing]

cmill, you know I'm right.

[terry78]

Look, we stay out of your Aerosmtih and Sammy Hagar threads, can you stay out of the rap thread if you don't have anything productive to add?

[Cyrusbales]

I thought all Rap music was the same song, just a different bimbo airbrushed onto the CD cover. :huh:

That's just hip-pop, but a lot of people confuse that with decent rap(which is few and far between)

[Cmill216]

Look, we stay out of your Aerosmtih and Sammy Hagar threads, can you stay out of the rap thread if you don't have anything productive to add?

Can I channel Super_Luda and call him a crackity crack? :woot:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Look, we stay out of your Aerosmtih and Sammy Hagar threads, can you stay out of the rap thread if you don't have anything productive to add?and their James Taylor, Edie Brickell, Nelly Furtado threads.

[Erzengel]

Bee Gees, Neil Diamond and Barry Manilow rock.

I'm going to start a thread called, Any Lite FM Music Fans Here?

[Colossal Spoons]

smh@ Erzengel


:(

[Erzengel]

Oh Spoonie, you gave and you gave without taking.....

But I sent you away, oh spoonie.....

:up:

[AndThePickles]

Bee Gees, Neil Diamond and Barry Manilow rock.

I'm going to start a thread called, Any Lite FM Music Fans Here?

Ew :csad:

[Erzengel]

:csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Oh Spoonie, you gave and you gave without taking.....

But I sent you away, oh spoonie.....

:up:

What the flip are you yappin about sir?

[Lpilgrim]

I'm starting to get into Rhymefest and Aceyalone.


ahh man aceyalone is one of my favorite emcees. book of human language is a great album. his new stuff with rjd2 is pretty cool too. i dunno if any of you are del fans but i just read a recent interview with him and he and automator are coming out with a second deltron album. if you havent heard deltron 3030, i highly recommend it. del raps, automator produces, and kid koala scratches. its a timeless concept album.

[RockSP]

I feel you on that one. Somebody needs to just get new writers for these dudes.

Uh...no. We don't need a bunch of Puffies (I ain't calling him "Diddy") running around. Rappers need to write their own rhymes.

[Dangerous]

Vanilla was the best, word to your mother!

[Cmill216]

Uh...no. We don't need a bunch of Puffies (I ain't calling him "Diddy") running around. Rappers need to write their own rhymes.

"I heard that some of you are getting help with your rhymes/You're not an emcee if someone else writes your lines"

Mike Shinoda, son. :oldrazz:

[The Ether]

everyone in this thread knows how much of a AZ and Nas fan I am. So I'm proud to tell ya'll that a leak for AZ's The Format has been leaked. I'm dling it right, if anyone wants a leak just tell me.

[RockSP]

best song in the universe:


Dead right, if they head right, biggie there air nike


Air nike? That's "every night" LOL

[Colossal Spoons]

Aw, Willie tried. :D

[Warhammer]

Anyone got Dedication, Vol. 2?

[Mike059jig]

Yes I like Hip-Hop but it has changed alot!!!......Seems like the power house of hip-hop are from down south now adays.......Eminem isn't the same anymore....50 cent was hot when he first came out then started a one man war on the rap industry to increase sales which was cheap......his second album was boring......jay-z was gone...but He's coming back!!!!!!!........

I really Like T.I dude is smooth.....all the hot tracks this year came from down south...

I not a die hard fan like I use but downlaod the mainstream ones now

[Lpilgrim]

it seems like a lot people on these boards tend to think of hip hop as "oh, b*tches and 40's.....right?"

[The Ether]

nope nope nope, we think the opposite :up:

[Cmill216]

^ I think he's referring to the general consensus on the board, which is true. Hip hop fans are a minority here.

[Colossal Spoons]

Not to mention 99% of the stuff on the radio is hip-pop; and peopel tend to make a lot of judgements based on the radio.

[chamber-music]

Busdriver is good

[The Ether]

^ I think he's referring to the general consensus on the board, which is true. Hip hop fans are a minority here.oh nvm then

[The Ether]

anyone heard the Hip Hop is Dead Track from Nas? It's amazing.

[Cyrusbales]

My brother works in a secondary school, and kids there think 50 cent is the greatest, and claim to be huge Rap fans, yet have never heard of Easy E, Cypress hill, wu-tang or house of pain!!! And they think Tupac was a proper gangster Rapper from the 'ghetto'. Crazy!

[Colossal Spoons]

50 Cent and John Cena are killing the youth of America :o

But seriously, those kids are something else.

[Cyrusbales]

50 Cent and John Cena are killing the youth of America :o

But seriously, those kids are something else.

They siad they'd get someone to shoot my brother when he was telling them about when Tupac used to study Ballet, they claim to be his fans, yet don't know anything about him? weird, lol

And these are english kids!

[Cmill216]

Anybody listen to Kingdom Come yet? Thoughts?

[Incrediblejeff]

Anybody listen to Kingdom Come yet? Thoughts?
Eh,It was ok.

*Wait's for Hip Hop is Dead*

[ComicChick]

i am a rap fan.

i listen to all kinds of music and can probably name at least one song in every genre i like.

one of my fave rap albums is the first DMX album "It's Dark and Hell is Hot"

but alot of the stuff out these days i dont care for too much

[ComicChick]

me and a friend were talking about this at work the other day and we've come to the conclusion that rappers are spending so much money on cars and rims and grillz and stuff that they're starving themselves.

looks at the charts these days:
candy shop
laffy taffy
chico stik
peanut butter jelly
chicken noodle soup

[terry78]

It's so sad that we have to use the thread to ask if there are rap fans here, yet it's basically common knowledge that there are rock fans here.

Back on topic, listening to Inspectah Deck's latest one now.

[Cmill216]

It's so sad that we have to use the thread to ask if there are rap fans here, yet it's basically common knowledge that there are rock fans here.

The Hype's not all it's cracked up to be. :(

By the way, where is Supa Luda? :huh:

Anywho, I got through Kingdom Come a little while ago.

:wow: What a waste of a glorious comeback. Meh with a captial M.

[ComicChick]

the last rap album i bought was Foxy Brown's Chyna Doll. she's my favorite female rapper although she's been out of it a while.

Yes I know its old, but i bought it a couple months ago cuz it was the only album of hers i didn't have. I even have Ill Na Na 2: The Fever even though it was never released.

[gratefuldead399]

ummm cant go wrong with dr. dre
dre 2001 is the **** BIATCH

[Sun_Down]

Like the OP, I'm kind of selective with the rap that I enjoy. I'm from the Oakland area, so I'm kind of predisposed to like Dre and Tupac. I also enjoy Bone Thugz and Geto Boys. Basically anything with meaningful lyrics and good music (not solely programmed) is cool with me.

[The Ether]

The Hype's not all it's cracked up to be. :(

By the way, where is Supa Luda? :huh:

Anywho, I got through Kingdom Come a little while ago.

:wow: What a waste of a glorious comeback. Meh with a captial M.
bun kingdom come, its all about Hip Hop is Dead. Been listening to Black Republicans non stop, and hiphop is dead :up:

[Blade_fan1911]

Where's the love for The Root's Game Theory.:csad:

[RockSP]

Where's the love for The Root's Game Theory.:csad:

Oh, Game Theory is the s**t. I haven't listened to it for a few weeks cuz I played the hell out of it everyday when it first came out. The Roots are criminally slept on and the move to Def Jam has done nothing to change that.:cmad:

Have you heard their mixtape "The Best of The Roots' by J.Period?

[Colossal Spoons]

Anybody listen to Kingdom Come yet? Thoughts?

I've avoided all leaks and bootlegging cuz next Tuesday....it's on. :D


Anywho, I got through Kingdom Come a little while ago.

:wow: What a waste of a glorious comeback. Meh with a captial M.

Yo, if this CD is anything less than "good" when I cop it; I'll blow a gasket. Jay and Luda are my top two rappers and Luda's last album left a bad taste in my mouth so I'm lookin to Jay to pick up the slack and I'm not likin what I'm hearing from y'all.

[Boom]

With a hip, hop
a hippy to the hippy
to the hip, hip, hop
you don't stop the rock
to the bang, bang, boogey
say up jumped the boogey
to the rhythm of the boogey, the beat

[Blade_fan1911]

Oh, Game Theory is the s**t. I haven't listened to it for a few weeks cuz I played the hell out of it everyday when it first came out. The Roots are criminally slept on and the move to Def Jam has done nothing to change that.:cmad:

Have you heard their mixtape "The Best of The Roots' by J.Period?

I have to check it out.

[Cmill216]

Yo, if this CD is anything less than "good" when I cop it; I'll blow a gasket. Jay and Luda are my top two rappers and Luda's last album left a bad taste in my mouth so I'm lookin to Jay to pick up the slack and I'm not likin what I'm hearing from y'all.

It hasn't grown on me yet. At all. :(

Where's the love for The Root's Game Theory.:csad:

I love The Roots. LOVE. And while I do think Game Theory is a good album, it's just way too short for me to consider it "OMG Great".

[Colossal Spoons]

It hasn't grown on me yet. At all. :(

That's no good..



I need to put those 3 songs of Luda's CD that I liked onto my mp3 player.

[Cyrusbales]

Creation to exeQtion is great rap album, as it's also a narrative concept album also! So much different from all the usual (c)rap music that's around.

[kamesan]

rappers are spending so much money on cars and rims and grillz and stuff that they're starving themselves.

looks at the charts these days:
candy shop
laffy taffy
chico stik
peanut butter jelly
chicken noodle soup
LOL I thought Ghostface was coming up w/ these song titles :cwink:

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey, I liked the Candy Shop beat; and all that laffy Taffy snappin **** is fun as long there's alcohol involved.

[terry78]

I confess Snoop's most recent track Vato with B-Real and the Neptunes beat gets some airplay in my car. That and most of the stuff off of U-God's Mr. Xcitement and Masta Killa's latest. All those laffy taffy dance songs are basically for the females. You rarely hear any dudes singing those or quoting them.

[Cmill216]

"Kingdom Come" couldn't have been more disappointing. Jigga officially has nothing left to say.

[samurai black]

"Kingdom Come" couldn't have been more disappointing. Jigga officially has nothing left to say.

You've got to be ####in' kiddin me? i admit every song isn't top ten hit, but there are plenty of gems in there such as the smash "show me what you got" and 30 something. But to each his own i guess.

[Cmill216]

You've got to be ####in' kiddin me? i admit every song isn't top ten hit, but there are plenty of gems in there

I will say that I kinda liked "Minority Report" and "Beach Chair" but the majority of it is just "blah" with a capital B.

such as the smash "show me what you got"

Who are you, Casey Kasem? :huh: :D

"Show Me What You Got" is nice and all. "I'm back." Okay, cool. And?

But to each his own i guess.

Damn straight.

I'm a big Jay fan. Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, The Black Album. Dude is a legend for a reason. But he spends the majority of this album merely reminding us that he's a legend. The Black Album was a pitch perfect way to go out on top. Kingdom Come almost ruins all of that.

[Cmill216]

Speaking of Jay, I've been listening to The Black Album and Grey Album together, and it's amazing how some of the Grey tracks are actually an improvement on the Black tracks.

Like "Moment of Clarity". Em's production wasn't bad, but "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" sounds incredible with the tone of Jay's lyrics. It's faster. More operatic.

[Fanticon]

Dear all...I'm going to officially declare myself an authority on this topic...cuz i work here...
http://www.accesshiphop.com/home/:woot:

I had the painful displeasure of reading almost every post in this forum. I like what some of you are saying...I like some of the suggestions that a few of you threw out there as good hip hop. Overall, let me just tell you, there is a world of hip hop that many of you have no clue about. Which is unfortunate, because as I read, most of you comment only on what you've seen on tv or hear on the radio. 99.9% of whats being played right now is not real hip hop. And if a group doesn't have a DJ...its definitely not hip hop...they may be rapping...but keep in mind that "rapping" is merely a form of speaking or rhyming in rythm and melodically over music. Most commonly with something like a beat you'd hear in hip hop music...but none the less, what do you think Fred Durst does in most of his songs...even though it is heavy, hardcore rock-rap metal (or whatever people like to label it) he was rapping at times. But its not hip hop. Jason Miraz, likes to rap while playing an acoustic guitar....not hip hop though.
There are 5 elements that make up hip hop...The MC (the "rapper"), the DJ, B-boyin' (thats break dancing, kiddies. And you can be a B-Girl too.), Grafiti, and...separately you can even include the art of Beatboxin'. But to make good hip hop music, you don't need to be a breaker, know how to beatbox, or spray paint a wall. But a DJ would help, and aknowledging true elements of hip hop doesn't hurt either. Good beats, meaningful lyrics (not just to the elitist listener of hip hop). A good rapper/emcee...doesn't have to know how to freestyle...but if you want respect you better learn.
The music originated on the streets...and you know what...wise MC by the name of Murs once said to those of you on the outside lookin in..."if they're bumpin' Puffy in the ghetto, then who the f*** are you to say thats not hip hop." I do believe he was talking to people in the underground hip hop scene at that time, who were denouncing comercial rap. And on the other hand...Murs sounds nothing like anything you'd hear or see on tv, he himself has openly complained in his lyrics about mainstream hip hop. For the most part, I'd say he hates the fact that people were playing P-diddy and praising his music...but he had a point. However, another emcee/poet, Sole, once said "What do you want to move? The peoples minds or posteriors?"

Often I would post in the "What are you listening to right now" thread, and list off some obscure hip hop....hoping someone would PM me and say 'hey i have that album, good choice.'
But SHH isn't a place to post about hip hop. So...PM me if you'd like some suggestions...and by the way...to the original poster in this thread...I'm sorry but I think that JayBlaze sucks. But what do I know?

[samurai black]

I'm a big Jay fan. Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, The Black Album. Dude is a legend for a reason. But he spends the majority of this album merely reminding us that he's a legend.

I think that was the point of the album, hence the name "Kingdom Come" referencing a graphic novel in which superman returns to a world running wild with irresponsible superheroes who've forgotten what it meant to wear a cape. He then asserts himself and reminds the world what it means to be a superhero.

[Cmill216]

I think that was the point of the album, hence the name "Kingdom Come" referencing a graphic novel in which superman returns to world running wild with irresponsible superheroes who've forgotten what it meant to be a superhero. He then asserts himself and reminds the world what it means to be a superhero.

I perfectly understood what his point was. The problem is, the point he's trying to make isn't all that interesting.

Yes, Jay, you're back to save the world from what hip hop was becoming. Now how about offering us something far superior to what you say you've come here to save us from.

The production was weak (aside from the majority of Just Blaze's contributions and even Chris Martin's "Beach Chair"), and The Neptunes only track was a complete mess.

He hasn't lost his flow. He's still a top class wordsmith, and the concept of "Kingdom Come" is a smart one, but if you're gonna come back from what was such a remarkable curtain call ("The Black Album") come back with your best. This wasn't it.

[Fanticon]

Look up any of these artists, albums, or record labels...
Living Legends-Eligh, Bicasso, The Grouch, PSC.Luckyiam, Scarub, Sunspot Jonz, Murs, Asop, and Arata.

Definitive Jux- EL-P, Aesop Rock, Mr. Lif, Hangar 18, Cannibal Ox, Cage, RJD2

Anticon-Alias, Sole, Why, Restiform Bodies, Deep Puddle Dynamics, Passage, The Pedestrian, Dose One, Subtle, Clouddead, Odd Nosdam, Jel, Dosh, Sage Francis.

Rawkus-Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Company Flow, Soundbombing, Lyricist's Lounge, Panacea.

Peanuts and Corn Records-mcenroe, John Smith, Park Like Setting, Fermented Reptile, Frek Sho.

Rhyme Sayers Ent. Atmosphere, Psalm One, Blue Print, Eyedea and DJ Abilities
Brother Ali.

Disflex6-Jason the Argonaut, Lazerus Jackson, Mercury, Sunset Leagues.

Galapagos4-Typical Cats, Outerlimitz, Offwhyte, Qwel, Mestizo, Royce, Robust

Hieroglyphics-Del The Funkee Homosapien, Souls Of Mischief, Casual, Pep Love.

Up Above Records-Visionaries, 2mex, LMNO

any of these DJ's and producers....MixMasterMike, DJ Q-Bert, DJ Shadow, DJ Krush, DJ Cam, Kid Koala, DJ Spooky, Mr. Dibbs, Dan the Automator, Prefuse 73, Nobody, Earmint, Blue Sky Black Death, Anomaly, Hive.

Mush Records, LEX Records, Ninja Tune, Ubiquity, OM Records, Bully Records.

[Cmill216]

The thing that sucks Fanticon is the CD store here at Central Florida is, like, 90% crackity crack (man I miss Supa Luda) and the hip hop/R&B section occupies this little corner of shelf space.

So finding some of this underground stuff to purchase is pretty tough.

[RockSP]

I think that was the point of the album, hence the name "Kingdom Come" referencing a graphic novel in which superman returns to world running wild with irresponsible superheroes who've forgotten what it meant to be a superhero. He then asserts himself and reminds the world what it means to be a superhero.

Did Jay actually say he took it from the graphic novel? (I mean it's not like the phrase "Kingdom Come" was invented by Waid and Ross...)

[Cmill216]

Did Jay actually say he took it from the graphic novel? (I mean it's not like the phrase "Kingdom Come" was invented by Waid and Ross...)

Well, look at samurai black's sig.

[Fanticon]

Jay Z shoulda stayed in retirement...sorry, but thats just how it is. He's part of the reason rap music sucks right now.
Cmill216,
To find good hip hop your gonna have to start searching online...and definitely check out http://www.accesshiphop.com

[Colossal Spoons]

You've got to be ####in' kiddin me? i admit every song isn't top ten hit, but there are plenty of gems in there such as the smash "show me what you got" and 30 something. But to each his own i guess.

10 listens later, I'm startin to feel the album. Def a more "grown up" Jigga though.

[Fanticon]

cmill216
that is the best avy anyone has ever done from that movie...props:up:

[Cmill216]

green did the avy. I need to credit him. ;)

[Fanticon]

oh...haha...I didn't even see that in your sig...props to green:up:

[Cmill216]

oh...haha...I didn't even see that in your sig...

That's because I just added it. :p

[Colossal Spoons]

Jay Z shoulda stayed in retirement...sorry, but thats just how it is. He's part of the reason rap music sucks right now.


Whoa now, that's a bit far. To put an album like "Kingdom Come" in the same category with songs like "Stuntin Like My Daddy" "We Fly High" and "Rubberband Banks" is ridiculous.

[Fanticon]

The Black Album was a nice farewell...especially all the unauthorized remix albums that followed...like Danger Mouse, Pete Rock and Elusive's versions of Jay-Z's album. But Kingom Come is wack, he's not saying anything new, he's a buisness man, I get it...He's become completely unrelateable, and what was once storytelling is now his reality...and no one elses.

[Colossal Spoons]

The Black Album was a nice farewell...especially all the unauthorized remix albums that followed...like Danger Mouse, Pete Rock and Elusive's versions of Jay-Z's album. But Kingom Come is wack, he's not saying anything new, he's a buisness man, I get it...He's become completely unrelateable, and what was once storytelling is now his reality...and no one elses.

That is very true. I think Jay-Z is on some "Superman" level but I'm just a regular dude who can't relate. I still think the album had some meaning and depth. Problem was, it was too deep. You realize every song but 2 or 3 had somebody singing in the chorus or something? And he talked way too much on he album; giving it a lazy feel. He and Nas need to stop being chummy so he can go back to how he rapped 2 years ago :o

[terry78]

He's gotten a Beatles complex as of late. Bigger than Jesus.

[Cmill216]

He's gotten a Beatles complex as of late. Bigger than Jesus.

And the problem with that is that he's infatuated with telling us this. Over and over and over again.

[Colossal Spoons]

See, at least he put out an album worth listening to again. After taking the wrapping off of Luda's last CD, I doubt I'll ever listen to it again; save the 3 songs I put on my mp3 player.

[The Ether]

I hear that LL Cool J is gonna leave Def Jam because of Jay-Z. I agree with Terry Jay-z is too cocky right now, I hear coming out of retirement and releasing his album first making it his priority isn't fair for all the other artist in Def Jam. Oh well still bangin Black Republicans and can't wait for Hip Hop is Dead

[Colossal Spoons]

^This is a big step for me but...I'm actually gonna purchase a Nas CD. Hip Hop Is Dead looks really promising.

[AndThePickles]

I hear that LL Cool J is gonna leave Def Jam because of Jay-Z. I agree with Terry Jay-z is too cocky right now, I hear coming out of retirement and releasing his album first making it his priority isn't fair for all the other artist in Def Jam. Oh well still bangin Black Republicans and can't wait for Hip Hop is Dead

Wow, that's a shame. I also agree that Jay is ridiculously cocky.....he really should have stayed in retirement and kept his "gone out with a bang" status. I understand that Kingdom Come is supposed to be deep and whatnot and I still need to listen to it more perhaps, but I felt like the "I'm a grown businessman and I'm the best at what I do, blah blah blah" was repetitive and old. But then again I'm certainly no Jay-Z expert.

I definitely think Nas' album has potential though, I'm hopin it will be great.

[Cmill216]

I understand that Kingdom Come is supposed to be deep and whatnot and I still need to listen to it more perhaps

Having listened to the album multiple times, I really don't know where this supposed "depth" is. Again, compared to what he's delivered in the past, "Kingdom Come" is incredibly weak.

Granted, the album isn't complete trash, but it's just not that great. And considering the overall lukewarm critical reception, I'd say there are many who feel the same.

[Colossal Spoons]

Lost Ones is probably the deepest Jay song I can think of; with Meet The Parents coming in second.

[Fanticon]

Forget Nas and Jay-Z...they may be legends, and did wonders for hip hop a decade ago, like bringing it commercial success and mainstream exposure, but that is now part of what has destroyed rap/hiphop's image...anyway I haven't bought an album from either of them in years. This is one of the better hip hop albums I've heard this year...
http://www.accesshiphop.com/images/covers/11403_b.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

I really don't care about the mainstream aspect of Jay and Nas' careers. The songs of theirs that I've liked the most weren't even singles they put out.

[Fanticon]

Method Man blames Jay-Z for not spending the money to help promote his new album, 4:21 The Day After...and as a result...sales are poor. And Meth is pissed. He and LL are right to leave Def Jam just as a show of force that Jay-Z isn't doing his part, and for some reason holds tiny grudges against certain other successful artists, because he's afraid they'll steal his spotlight.

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't know much about Jigga's sense as a businessman; but it sounds like he could have done more as I didn't even know Meth dropped a new album. However; I don't think LL or Meth will be stealing his spotlight anytime soon.

[Fanticon]

I really don't care about the mainstream aspect of Jay and Nas' careers. The songs of theirs that I've liked the most weren't even singles they put out.

neither do I, but they are among a few artists that brought hip hop into the forefront of music...unfortunately the direction it has taken (not just as a result of those two artist's careers) has become one that most people hate. Some people out there make the music because they love it, not because they want it to sell. Nas' album...Hip Hop Is Dead, may hold some truth, but his music is no exception. I don't even think Nas knows what real hip hop is anymore...more like his hop.

[bunk]

Jay just has nothing left to get off his chest, he's pretty much just having fun at this point. Still, even when he's not really trying he's better than most others.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, as mediocre as the album is by Jay standards; I'd take it over anything else on 106&Suck and most of what's on the radio.

[Mr Jide]

Retirement? Comeback? Hah! Jay went nowhere. Jay's my favourite living rapper but this album is mediocre at best. Jay relied too much on his position as ceo/rapper to try and pass this dreadfully average album off to the masses who knew he'd drop another studio album at 1 time or another.
Its sad because this is the same guy that gave us reasonable doubt and blue print, 2 of my favourite Jay-z albums.
Jay has nothing to prove and it shows with his complacency in terms of overall skill on the album. His priorities, life style and way of thinking has changed and not for the better imo as an artist. Dissapointed.

[Cmill216]

Retirement? Comeback? Hah! Jay went nowhere. Jay's my favourite living rapper but this album is mediocre at best. Jay relied too much on his position as ceo/rapper to try and pass this dreadfully average album off to the masses who knew he'd drop another studio album at 1 time or another.
Its sad because this is the same guy that gave us reasonable doubt and blue print, 2 of my favourite Jay-z albums.
Jay has nothing to prove and it shows with his complacency in terms of overall skill on the album. His priorities, life style and way of thinking has changed and not for the better imo as an artist. Dissapointed.

QFT.

[Mr Jide]

...and the truth it is I speak.

[The Kingpin]

I'm getting MF Doom- Madvillainy and the Dr Octagon album for christmas...has anoyone listened to these? I hear that they're dope

also check out the hoody I'm buying!

http://i22.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/7b/fa/dc83_1.JPG
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