The Hip Hop Thread

[RockSP]

Jeep Ass N_____ was weak compared to Born to Roll.

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[CorpusBlack]

Jeep Ass N_____ was weak compared to Born to Roll. Born to Roll was THE song played all summer at all the car shows back then. It had the ladies and the fellas hyped. I know that Ace has some nice stuff... sittin' on chrome is one of my personal faves, but Born to Roll just bangs like no other.

I liked both but 'Born To Roll' was the joint.

[CorpusBlack]

i like 50 Cent, T.I., Ludacris, and Lil Wayne to name some.

I'm sorry. :csad:

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New hotness sons! :D :up:

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And just some knowledge being dropped by Saul Williams on the wake up show.

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[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Anyone going to the Lupe, Kanye, Rhiana show this weekend?

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Hey fellas anyone feel like expanding their music catalog....?

[zeptron]

25 worst rappers

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/2977/the-25-worst-rappers-of-all-time

It's obvious this guy knows nothing about hip hop. How could you put Will Smith on there?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Meh

[GeoffTheArtist]

That guy went to college to learn about hip-hop I'll bet. :dry:

[knowsbleed]

Hey fellas anyone feel like expanding their music catalog....?

Expound please.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

That guy went to college to learn about hip-hop I'll bet. :dry:

lol

[Colossal Spoons]

25 worst rappers

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/listoftheday/2977/the-25-worst-rappers-of-all-time

It's obvious this guy knows nothing about hip hop. How could you put Will Smith on there?

Definitely Tony Yayo haha

[Super_Ludacris]

Game and G-Unit both dropping June 24th....

[Havok83]

Game and G-Unit both dropping June 24th....
Im not even sure if I care. I dont care much for 50 Cent anymore

[Super_Ludacris]

For entertainment purposes you should, the amount the jokes that are gonna go down the next 2 months are gonna put any election race to shame. If *****s though the Kanye/50 race was funny, this is gonna ten times that in terms of comedy.

[jaymes_e06]

Lil Wayne, Jigga, and Tupac are the truth in my book.

[CorpusBlack]

Lil Wayne.. ..are the truth in my book.

:dry:

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Lil Wayne, Jigga, and Tupac are the truth in my book.


Really? I mean seriously? Did you really just put Lil Wayne in the same sentance as Tupac regarding your top emcees?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

For entertainment purposes you should, the amount the jokes that are gonna go down the next 2 months are gonna put any election race to shame. If *****s though the Kanye/50 race was funny, this is gonna ten times that in terms of comedy.

HA! :up:

[CorpusBlack]

Really? I mean seriously? Did you really just put Lil Wayne in the same sentance as Tupac regarding your top emcees?

Rap fans like this is why hip-hop is dead. As far as I'm concerned it's been dead since the late 90's. It's just getting worse and worse.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Rap fans like this is why hip-hop is dead. As far as I'm concerned it's been dead since the late 90's. It's just getting worse and worse.


It's not dead, far from it. But being exploited to its fullest with no self education where it came from and what it is really about is in full effect.

[Conebone69]

Whoever doesnt like ludacris, you are insane. Luda is a pimp!

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Ummm...why do I have to like Ludacris? I've never met him, he might be a dick in real life. I don't know him so why do I have to like him?

[CorpusBlack]

It's not dead, far from it. But being exploited to its fullest with no self education where it came from and what it is really about is in full effect.

Its dead.

Whoever doesnt like ludacris, you are insane.

I'm assuming you have a psychology degree?

[knowsbleed]

Rap fans like this is why hip-hop is dead. As far as I'm concerned it's been dead since the late 90's. It's just getting worse and worse.

How did rap fans like that kill hip hop? Serious question.

[Crook]

It's a two-way street. Rappers nowadays are pretty idiotic and downright childish, so their listeners are gonna follow that image. And of these listeners, some actually become rappers themselves, continuing the degradation of the music.

Vicious cycle. :(

[knowsbleed]

True... but how is stating that Lil Wayne is not in the same range as Tupac enough to be called the reason hip hop is dead these days? It confuzzles me.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It's a two-way street. Rappers nowadays are pretty idiotic and downright childish, so their listeners are gonna follow that image. And of these listeners, some actually become rappers themselves, continuing the degradation of the music.

Vicious cycle. :(

To add to that my friend works at a high school. He wears this shrit that has "Keepin It Gangsta" on it. You know one of those shirts like Don't be A Hasselhof and what not. Joke shirts basically. He's white and if anything he is would be classified as a jock. He listens to rap but doesn't dress or act the part that is portrayed by rappers today.

All of his kids make fun of him and laugh at his shirt. The funny thing is, they don't get it. He wears the shirt to make fun of them because they do act the part, they dress like rappers do today, fake ice, silve or fake platinum chains, printed hoodies, white sunglasses and so on.

People are sheep, they will follow anything.

[Super_Ludacris]

As much as I think some people dont know anything about Hip Hop from there tastes, Im gonna blame them for the decline of Hip Hop.

Everyone gotta personal choice. Dont hate on the next man cause he likes Hip-Pop. Similarly TRL'ers and "Swag" 80s babies cant hate on a true school kid for liking boom bap street hop.

Shoot, back in the day you gave props to a dude for his different preferences of MCs'/Regions/Styles and tried to see if he could put you on something.

[CorpusBlack]

As much as I think some people dont know anything about Hip Hop from there tastes, Im gonna blame them for the decline of Hip Hop.

Everyone gotta personal choice. Dont hate on the next man cause he likes Hip-Pop. Similarly TRL'ers and "Swag" 80s babies cant hate on a true school kid for liking boom bap street hop.

Shoot, back in the day you gave props to a dude for his different preferences of MCs'/Regions/Styles and tried to see if he could put you on something.

Agreed 100%. However nearly everything then had a lot more credibility than what's coming out now. The game is now run by corporate execs and kids who didn't experience hip-hop before 1995. If the **** coming out now came out back then, the masses would have a field day ripping this modern day ******** apart.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You should know SL. That at least for me I don't judge what others listen to, it's just not for me. Just how we both have very different ideas and pseronal preferences for our Rap. But at the same time we both know that the other knows the history and where and how it started.

It seems that (most) the youth today just don't give a damn and think that all rap's about is ice, talking trash, catchy hooks, being a "balla" and girls.

They have no understanding or respect for where Hip Hop and Rap came from.

It's one thing for someone to say to me that they don't care for Rakim and prefer crunk. It's another for a person to say to me they have no clue who Rakim is but don't care anyway.

[CorpusBlack]

If you don't know who Rakim is, then you have no right picking up a mic.

[Zero_Vault]

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Man, this beat is so chill.

Bored Stiff, Brotha!

[Omega Wizard]

Anyone here like Sage, Brother Ali, Lupe, Aesop Rock, Wu Tang, or The RZA?

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No, none of us like any of them.

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10-yctITMjk

Man, this beat is so chill.

Bored Stiff, Brotha!


Yo Z-Man! I saw him live in SF a couple of months ago. He was the only one I was feeling.

[CorpusBlack]

Anyone here like Sage, Brother Ali, Lupe, Aesop Rock, Wu Tang, or The RZA?

Sage Bad Weather or a different Sage?

[CorpusBlack]

No, none of us like any of them.

Speak for yourself. :o

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Speak for yourself. :o

I joke I joke, I kid I kid. :D

Sage Francis....eh. Aesop Rock yes, Wu-Tang...36 and Forever, Rza as an emcee not really as a composer and music creator I think he is brilliant. :up:

Lupe is a desperately needed breath of fresh air.

[CorpusBlack]

Wu-Tang will NEVER die. They are tied for my fav hip-hop group of all time.

[Omega Wizard]

Sage Bad Weather or a different Sage?
Sage Francis...the best rapper alive today.

[CorpusBlack]

Sage Francis...the best rapper alive today.

Rakim is still alive.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Rakim is still alive.

Kool Mo Dee, Big Daddy Kane, KRS-One, Reggie Noble, Edan, Nas, Andre 3000, Ghost Face Killa, GZA and many others are still alive as well. :up:

[Omega Wizard]

I...can't stop listening.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l1u43KDiWD0

[CorpusBlack]

Kool Mo Dee, Big Daddy Kane, KRS-One, Reggie Noble, Edan, Nas, Andre 3000, Ghost Face Killa, GZA and many others are still alive as well. :up:

Yes they are. Big Daddy Kane has still got it. Just saw him performing recently via YouTube and he's still got the moves and the delivery.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Damn wish I could have seen him perform back in the day :up:

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Edan and Percy P - Torture Chamber

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Edan - Beauty

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[knowsbleed]

Wu-Tang will NEVER die. They are tied for my fav hip-hop group of all time.

I just went back and listen to Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) last night and man... I still remember how revolutionary that **** was back then. Nobody had that sound... and nobody ever successfully emulated how raw and gritty they sounded. Not even themselves in subsequent albums.

Don't get me wrong... there were many shining moments in the individual albums... but as a whole, the Wu didn't have the same magic that they had on the first album.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Nope, not even close. It's hard to duplicate something like that when you come out so raw like they did. :up:

[Crook]

I personally find it funny when most of the legendary rap artists reach their peak.....on their first album. Haha. :o

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Nas, Slick Rick, and Wu-Tang are the only legends I can think of that peaked in terms of an total complete album right off the bat.

[Cmill216]

I still think Reasonable Doubt is Hov's best.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah so do I but he I don't think he peaked there.

[Crook]

I consider him to be at his absolute best on that album, so yeah I'd say that's his peak. Though his "decline" was very drawn out. He's still good to this day imo.

[Cmill216]

It, IMO, was his pinnacle achievement as an artist. Though as Crook alluded to, he still went on to put out damn good material afterwards. It's just for my money, that album was his best collection of music.

[Shedhut]

omg, what happened to Snoop Dogg. As if his seduction-tune wasnt pathetic enough he made a German commercial in which he sings a greasy old german song:whatever: See for yourself:

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here is the original but you really shouldn't look at it too long...it made people go crazy before:

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[CorpusBlack]

I just went back and listen to Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) last night and man... I still remember how revolutionary that **** was back then. Nobody had that sound... and nobody ever successfully emulated how raw and gritty they sounded. Not even themselves in subsequent albums.

Don't get me wrong... there were many shining moments in the individual albums... but as a whole, the Wu didn't have the same magic that they had on the first album.

Nope, not even close. It's hard to duplicate something like that when you come out so raw like they did. :up:

I think Wu's first slew of solos were nearly as good as 'Enter The Wu'. Every album in their catalog pre-97 deserved 5 mics IMO. Wu Tang Forever was very very good as well but a step down from the previous material. After that album they just over saturated the market w/ solos and Wu family artists and the production level dropped.

[Super_Ludacris]

New Nas= Certified Crack.

Lets go Esco...

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I forgot Canibus and Mr. Lif both still alive and better than Sage Francis, as well as MC Juice, Percy P and Lord Finesse. Just to name a few more. :up:

[RockSP]

Just saw The Roots in concert on friday (4-25-08). Hadn't seen them in a few years. Their stageshow has always been good, and I'm glad to see it's gotten even better with time.

The line up has changed a lot since I last saw them: Cap'n Kirk on guitar now instead Ben Kenney; O-ski on bass instead of Hub; no more Scratch; Frankie Knuckles wasn't around back then. Plus they have a tuba player now (Tuba Gooding, jr.) Black Thought is a beast...no mc out there can match that man's breath control! Kirk, ?uest, and Tuba tore up their version of Dylan's "Masters of War".

Mad, mad energy. They come back around my way next month (with E. Badu in tow) and I'm definitely gonna be there.

[knowsbleed]

Lucky bastard. Good for you bro. :up: I haven't seen Roots live yet.

[RockSP]

I had to drive a couple hours to see them. Didn't get home til 3-something in the morning and had to be to work at 5:30. I was a zombie that day at the job...but it was worth it :woot:

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Lucky bastard. Good for you bro. :up: I haven't seen Roots live yet.

Saw them twice back to back summers and they were awesome both times. :up:

Completely different sets.

[RockSP]

The Roots on Dave Letterman (http://yardie4life.blogspot.com/2008/04/roots-rising-up-feat-wale-chrisette.html)

[Cmill216]

Speaking of The Roots, "Criminal" is on loop right now. :cool:

[GeoffTheArtist]

I wanna go to a Roots show so bad!

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I highly recommend seeing them live. :up:

[Cmill216]

I gotta say, Rising Down is hot. An improvement on Game Theory.

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Classic right here. If you don't feel this you don't love Hip Hop or Rap.

This was a damn sad day for Hip Hop all over the world. One of the best shows ever on this network. Period.

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[RockSP]

The Roots on Rap City...Black Thought in the booth:

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[Godman]

used to be a fanatic, but Hip Hop is too saturated with garbage nowadays. I listen to alternative and rock now. Some emcees still intrigue me, but too many don't. mid 90s there were very few wack rappers to acknowledge and that was the peak of rap. After Eminem show, it was a wrap...Hiphop really started down falling, but we have Lupe and common here and there still in the mainstream.

[knowsbleed]

Classic right here. If you don't feel this you don't love Hip Hop or Rap.

This was a damn sad day for Hip Hop all over the world. One of the best shows ever on this network. Period.

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I loved YO! Rapcity played a lot more videos, a lot more "underground" vids as well, but it didn't have Doctor Dre and Ed Lover and the Ed Lover dance. :up:

[Cmill216]

Atmosphere's new record gets the Stamp of Approval. The production is a slight departure from their previous efforts, but these dudes continue to be one of the most consistent acts in hip hop. Period.

[Godman]

Nas, Slick Rick, and Wu-Tang are the only legends I can think of that peaked in terms of an total complete album right off the bat.

Slim Shady LP
Autobiography Kirk Jones
Doggy Style

all amazing first albums, though your right Infinite was Em's first

[Godman]

I forgot Canibus and Mr. Lif both still alive and better than Sage Francis, as well as MC Juice, Percy P and Lord Finesse. Just to name a few more. :up:

Juice is raw and old Canibus

[Godman]

True... but how is stating that Lil Wayne is not in the same range as Tupac enough to be called the reason hip hop is dead these days? It confuzzles me.

Lolly pop...nuff said. Day you find a Pac song as so then we can continue the comparison. Tupac was a very serious revolutionary. Lil Wayne is a plain rapper

[Godman]

If you don't know who Rakim is, then you have no right picking up a mic.

You have a right, just don;t call yourself HIPHOP

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

used to be a fanatic, but Hip Hop is too saturated with garbage nowadays. I listen to alternative and rock now. Some emcees still intrigue me, but too many don't. mid 90s there were very few wack rappers to acknowledge and that was the peak of rap. After Eminem show, it was a wrap...Hiphop really started down falling, but we have Lupe and common here and there still in the mainstream.

Mainstream was way on the downslope far before The Eminem Show

[Jono Starsmore]

Tech n9ne kicks ass.

That's about the only rapper I like..

Oh and Three-Six Mafia kicks ass too. :woot:

[knowsbleed]

Lolly pop...nuff said. Day you find a Pac song as so then we can continue the comparison. Tupac was a very serious revolutionary. Lil Wayne is a plain rapper

Oh, don't think I don't know this. I can't stand LW.

[Godman]

Mainstream was way on the downslope far before The Eminem Show

I know, i just listened to em on tht album again recently and tho its not his illest lyricism he had some impecable rhyming through and through.


We all know it's the south that kills Hip Hop daily and the DJs who allow the corporations to play that junk nationwide. Everybody wants money. You got emcees who refuse to rap with Jeezy or pointless rap, bu many DJs are in it for the money. I remember when even the mainstream was filled with EMCEES and not bizness men on mics

[Crook]

Lolly pop...nuff said. Day you find a Pac song as so then we can continue the comparison.
I'm not disagreeing that Wayne is nowhere near Pac's level, but that's a weak argument. You can't name a club song to judge one's ability as an artist. Practically every musician has made one in their spanning career. It's when it starts to overtake your catalog, is where your inability to make thoughtful music is readily apparent. And thus, your merits as an artist are greatly undermined.

Pac had more than his fair share of bubble gum mainstream songs as well, but that didn't stop him from churning out influential lyrics.







With that said, Lollipop is f'n catchy as hell. :o :up:

[knowsbleed]

You can't say its the South that kills hip hop. There are plenty of southern MCs who helped establish hip hop.

[Crook]

Yeah, but that's the past, old man. :o

[knowsbleed]

Maybe so... but everybody has their turn (region wise). East coast had theirs, west coast had theirs, the mid west had theirs (sort of) and the south gets theirs. I'm hoping it will restart the rotation and that something revolutionary will come out of NY... but NY is so stuck on their own sound that they refuse to accept anything NOT coming from NY... for the most part.

[Crook]

As far as I'm concerned, NY is sleeping on the lyrical tip as well. The mid-west is the savior right now imo, with Common, Kanye, and Lupe.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Come on let's all be serious here for a minute. It is big business that killed real Rap and Hip-Hop.

Like KRS-One said. "A dope emcee is a dope emcee."

Kanye may be ablt to put out catchy jams and have decent lyrical skills, but the majority of rappers today do not uphold the standard of an Emcee (MC). A Master of Cermeonies.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Classic all the way....

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[knowsbleed]

Classic as well. :up:

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[RockSP]

Tupac was a very serious revolutionary.

Ha. Nice revisionist history, there.

As far as I'm concerned, NY is sleeping on the lyrical tip as well. The mid-west is the savior right now imo, with Common, Kanye, and Lupe.

Though Kanye will probably always be more popular than the other two, he is not "lyrical" at all. He is not in the same league as Com or Lupe.

[Crook]

He's not in the same league as them, but I wouldn't say he's not lyrical. PLENTY of his songs have actual meaning and content, and his wordplay is relatively witty and funny. He's very mainstream friendly, I admit, but his artistic integrity has not suffered due to the popularity.

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He's not in the same league as them, but I wouldn't say he's not lyrical. PLENTY of his songs have actual meaning and content, and his wordplay is relatively witty and funny. He's very mainstream friendly, I admit, but his artistic integrity has not suffered due to the popularity.

Compared to most mainstream acts he stands out. Compared to most mainstream acts that standout he barely shines.

A true test of a real Emcee is the freestyle, everyone knows this. All of the frees I have heard from Kanye were weak at best, if he managed not to trip up during the flow.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ha. Nice revisionist history, there.



Though Kanye will probably always be more popular than the other two, he is not "lyrical" at all. He is not in the same league as Com or Lupe.

Well if he didn't get caught up with his contract and money he would have been. Tupac stands above all other Emcees just like Bob Marely stands above all other Reggae acts because of what he stood for.

Unfortunately Tupac needed to sell records and do other things that took him away from what he may very well have been.

A powerful individual rivaling the likes of MLKjr and Malcom X

[RockSP]

Well if he didn't get caught up with his contract and money he would have been. Tupac stands above all other Emcees just like Bob Marely stands above all other Reggae acts because of what he stood for.

Unfortunately Tupac needed to sell records and do other things that took him away from what he may very well have been.

A powerful individual rivaling the likes of MLKjr and Malcom X

Uh...wow.

I guess you really, really like him. That's cool. To each his own.

Definitely gonna have to disagree with you on basically everything you just said though. I'm just not one of the Tupac worshippers. He was talented, but this "greatest of all time" thing people have tried to give to him or Biggie because they got sh0t is just nonsense.

[Crook]

Compared to most mainstream acts he stands out. Compared to most mainstream acts that standout he barely shines.
He shines in his own way. There are very few rap artists that could cross genres like Kanye has done. Certainly a worthy thing to note.

A true test of a real Emcee is the freestyle, everyone knows this. All of the frees I have heard from Kanye were weak at best, if he managed not to trip up during the flow.
Nah, I disagree with that. Freestyling is cool and all, but plays very little part in the definition of an Emcee imo. I think stage presence, rap flow, wordplay, and lyrical prowess all take a precedent over freestyling.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Uh...wow.

I guess you really, really like him. That's cool. To each his own.

Definitely gonna have to disagree with you on basically everything you just said though. I'm just not one of the Tupac worshippers. He was talented, but this "greatest of all time" thing people have tried to give to him or Biggie because they got sh0t is just nonsense.


I said he stands above them for what he stood for. Not lyrically. He wasn't all that impressive lyrically.

But the things he tried to accomplish or was going to. He was much more than he appeared to be.

I am by no means a Tupac follower or loyalist, whorshiper or anything like that. In fact I disagree with a lot of people that like Tupac at all and I think his best album is still, Me Against The World.

Biggie you could make the argument for. He even made Nas say damn I need to step my game up. I could see a persons argument for Biggie being the greatest of all time.

So when you say you people. Don't just assume I am one of them.

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He shines in his own way. There are very few rap artists that could cross genres like Kanye has done. Certainly a worthy thing to note.


Nah, I disagree with that. Freestyling is cool and all, but plays very little part in the definition of an Emcee imo. I think stage presence, rap flow, wordplay, and lyrical prowess all take a precedent over freestyling.


That's where Emceeing came from. It was born on the spot back in the day, if anything. Freestyling takes precedent over everything else.

[Crook]

A good freestyler doesn't make an Emcee though. If the person excels in everything BUT freestyle, are you gonna persecute him/her for it?

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They do get dinged in my opinion if they can not freestyle. Yes.

But there is a difference between not being able to freestyle at all and you can freestyle but you're not that dope.

But it is rare that a lyrically dope emcee can not freestyle.

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Another classic :up:

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[knowsbleed]

I agree with Crook on the freestyling aspect. I've heard plenty of MCs who were nice on the freestyle but weak on the written... and vice versa. Those who were stronger on the written were better MCs IMO... they were moreso poets whereas the ones who were primarily freestylers were in it for the battling.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well I agree to disagree.

[RockSP]

So when you say you people. Don't just assume I am one of them.

I didn't say "you" people...I just said people. As in "some" people. You and I both know that there are people out there who constantly name drop Biggie and Tupac as the greatest emcees ever because they see it as the "right" (:whatever:) thing to do.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I didn't say "you" people...I just said people. As in "some" people. You and I both know that there are people out there who constantly name drop Biggie and Tupac as the greatest emcees ever because they see it as the "right" (:whatever:) thing to do.

Word. :up:

Yeah like I said, as far as Tupac, he could have been so much more if he didn't get caught up.

As for Biggie, I can definitely see him as being one of the best. When he and Nas worked together for the first time they went into the studio late at night and both went to work.

The whole time Nas was writing he wondered why Biggie wasn't putting anything down on paper he thought maybe he was stuck or something. So Nas finished up and asked Biggie if he was ready to go. Biggie replied yes and Nas asked where his rhymes were? He didn't see him write anything down.

Biggie said he had it all in his head and he was ready to go.

Nas said that when he went home later he knew he had to step his game up because Biggie was just on another level. :up:

[Godman]

Right Now all I know is Joe Budden is the truth and Dre has slept on Joel Ortiz. Joe Budden is THE TRUTH!!!!

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:confused:

[RockSP]

Right Now all I know is Joe Budden is the truth and Dre has slept on Joel Ortiz. Joe Budden is THE TRUTH!!!!

Dre should just stop signing people. He never releases their albums, except Eminem and Busta...

[Godman]

Dre should just stop signing people. He never releases their albums, except Eminem and Busta...

I agree. He shouldn't sign or have someone else handle that part of the market and he just work on the music cause too many artists have been slept on. I have never anticipated a release from aftermath like Rakim's "OH MY GOD" and that's practically what I was left saying when I heard the news of his departure.


Now Dre is by far the greatest producer of all time cause of his production consistencies, but he sucks at planning.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I agree. He shouldn't sign or have someone else handle that part of the market and he just work on the music cause too many artists have been slept on. I have never anticipated a release from aftermath like Rakim's "OH MY GOD" and that's practically what I was left saying when I heard the news of his departure.


Now Dre is by far the greatest producer of all time cause of his production consistencies, but he sucks at planning.

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Dj Premier?
Pete Rock?
Teddy Riley?

[RockSP]

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Dj Premier?
Pete Rock?
Teddy Riley?

Yeah I wouldn't call Dre the greatest...especially with all the allegations of him not really doing much of the production he is credited with.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah I wouldn't call Dre the greatest...especially with all the allegations of him not really doing much of the production he is credited with.


Hmm...interesting. Never heard about any of that.

[RockSP]

Daz made the case years ago. Many dismissed it as sour grapes. And of course his last album was "co-produced" by Mail Man or whatever that dude's name is.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Hmmm, interesting.

[MilkShake!]

What do you guys think about lollipop? catchy tune, but lyrically not so great.

[Crook]

I bump it all the time. :up:

Not gonna dog it for the lyrics, because frankly no popular club song (ever) is lyrically impressive, nor does it need to be.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Lollipop?

[Crook]

Lil Wayne's recent single. It's a hit on the radio.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I just heard it on the radio. As a rap song in general. :down :down :down

As a club banger. :down :down :down

[Zacky]

I was a big rap fan but now all of the rap songs out now just plain suck thats why i listen to heavy metal now. But if i do listen to rap its more underground.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I was a big rap fan but now all of the rap songs out now just plain suck thats why i listen to heavy metal now. But if i do listen to rap its more underground.


The Roots and Lupe Fiasco still hold it down for the mainstream. :up:

[Zacky]

The Roots and Lupe Fiasco still hold it down for the mainstream. :up:
I mean like West Coast underground like Above The Law,B-legit,Big Syke, Brotha Lynch Hung, R.B.L. Posse.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ahhhh....

So then who were you a big rap fan of when they songs didn't suck?

[Zacky]

I was a big fan of 50 cent when the first album came out because i had a lot of his underground stuff but then the 2 album and the 3 one came out then :csad:

The same with The Game the first one was great but the 2 album :csad: but i heard his new single its pretty good.

[Crook]

Yeah, his new single is a great throwback to the 90s west coast rap movement. HOT song.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Anyone heard Nelly's new impersonation song where he's trying to sound like Spice 1, E40 & someone else.

[RockSP]

^^Thankfully, no.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

^^Thankfully, no.

Pretty much.

[Godman]

Anyone heard Nelly's new impersonation song where he's trying to sound like Spice 1, E40 & someone else.

Who cares...Nelly is garbage

[Godman]

?

Dj Premier?
Pete Rock?
Teddy Riley?

Sorry but honestly Dre can make ANYTHING to fit an artist. Everything Dre makes refects on the artist's strengths and weaknesses and his music isn't just for Hip Hop heads but can venture into ANYTHING!!! Gangster, Pop, R7B and he really keeps out doing himself with singles. Doggy Style production...WOW, Slim Shady LP, and the rest...WOW, 50 Cent WOW...and his own two albums WOW, no other producer can do it like that. Many VERY sick ones out there but Dre got Producer of the decade for a reason.

[Zacky]

Nelly was another one who's first album was bad ass but he is just another rapper rapping about noting.

[Godman]

Daz made the case years ago. Many dismissed it as sour grapes. And of course his last album was "co-produced" by Mail Man or whatever that dude's name is.

Funny How Dre stays on top where ever he goes and in any time of age, but all these guys who he so called ripped off are nowhere to be heard and NONE of there production credits match up to when Dre so called STOLE them. Dre's consistency shuts down most if not all the allegations.

[Godman]

I bump it all the time. :up:

Not gonna dog it for the lyrics, because frankly no popular club song (ever) is lyrically impressive, nor does it need to be.

Lolli Pop is GARBAGE and Joe Budden's Pump it Up lyrics weren't half bad and none of Jay's club stuff or Pac's were corny or stupid. Banks had impecable rhymes on all his singles yet we know he fell off, but when He was at it...he was not lackluster like Wayne's corny crap

[RockSP]

Funny How Dre stays on top where ever he goes and in any time of age, but all these guys who he so called ripped off are nowhere to be heard and NONE of there production credits match up to when Dre so called STOLE them. Dre's consistency shuts down most if not all the allegations.

I don't dislike Dre...buuuuuuuut...

Just because he's "on top" it doesn't mean he didn't steal from them. Some people will like anything he does just because he's Dre.

[Godman]

I don't dislike Dre...buuuuuuuut...

Just because he's "on top" it doesn't mean he didn't steal from them. Some people will like anything he does just because he's Dre.

No there are some things I don't like from Dre but very rare. Anyway I am tired of people hating on Dre because of that when most Every sample and beat alone is STOLEN!!!! Samples are borrowed from snares to loops that most ALL producers use so when someone says Dre Stole from them where they at??? ANyway every artist takes ideas and molds as for him taking a beat he likes and saying He made it when it wasn't him is unlikely to me because I HAVE seen Mel Man on many credits where dre is just the mixer. People really need to see the credits and Dre is more like a composer than a mere producer because he assembles the instrument players into one room and says yes and no or do this and don't do that.

[RockSP]

No there are some things I don't like from Dre but very rare.

I didn't mean you in particular. I mean that some "fans" will like it just because it has Dre's "brand" on it. Kind of like how Puffy can sell records and call himself a producer even though he can't produce, sing, or rap (or dance, or act...but that's another thread). Some people buy into the image.

[Godman]

I didn't mean you in particular. I mean that some "fans" will like it just because it has Dre's "brand" on it. Kind of like how Puffy can sell records and call himself a producer even though he can't produce, sing, or rap (or dance, or act...but that's another thread). Some people buy into the image.

I agree, like how we all say Eminem is GREAT, but he is actually wack currently. WAS great would be better but again people buy into the image and attach the hype to the person always.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Sorry but honestly Dre can make ANYTHING to fit an artist. Everything Dre makes refects on the artist's strengths and weaknesses and his music isn't just for Hip Hop heads but can venture into ANYTHING!!! Gangster, Pop, R7B and he really keeps out doing himself with singles. Doggy Style production...WOW, Slim Shady LP, and the rest...WOW, 50 Cent WOW...and his own two albums WOW, no other producer can do it like that. Many VERY sick ones out there but Dre got Producer of the decade for a reason.

I am pretty sure Teddy Riley has gone platinum a few times if you only count when he was a member of a group and the producer. Let alone going platinum other times just as the producer.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Classic right here.

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The Atmosphere show was cool.

The Karaoke was probably the most entertaining part of it all. But still I have to say I was again a little disappointed. The show was a lot better than October but Slug still didn't really play old stuff.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

The only things I still listen to are Wu, Nas, Gravediggaz, Bone, and Common. I used to be heavy into hip-hop, but as of the last few years it's become just awful. The funny thing is I believe the internet killed what I believe was hip-hop. Any lame ass dude with a computer is an emcee now days. I miss hip-hop the way it was in the mid-90's, when more of it had some sort of style and substance. Now I know there was also alot of garbage back then, and I'm not denying it, but the good stuff was better. It's like Nas said, emcee now days are just ringtone rappers, not artists. But enough of my ranting about the good old days...

[Crook]

^ Man, that reminds me, yesterday I was just looking through my collection when Pete Rock and CL Smooth's "T.R.O.Y." came on. One of my most favorite chill and feel-good hip hop songs.

It was awesome since I hadn't heard that song in a while, but at the same time it was depressing because that type of art and storytelling is void in rap nowadays.

"I reminisce, reminisce...."

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

^^ I know for real, it's all disposable now. I don't know if it is just that bad, or if I've gotten to that point where I've gotten older just don't get it anymore. Not the greatest song ever, but I heard Po Pimp by Do or Die the other day and it made me kinda sad.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

****ing love this joint. Straight, pure, Hip Hop Classic. :up:

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[Crook]

As you said, it's all about the ringtones nowadays. It's kinda ironic in some ways, that for all the "hardness" rappers like to brag about, they're being straight up pussies by following what the execs are telling them to do.

The only mainstream act that has set his own course in rap is Kanye, imo. Hip Hop legends need to speak out, since most current rappers look up to them.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

As you said, it's all about the ringtones nowadays. It's kinda ironic in some ways, that for all the "hardness" rappers like to brag about, they're being straight up pussies by following what the execs are telling them to do.

The only mainstream act that has set his own course in rap is Kanye, imo. Hip Hop legends need to speak out, since most current rappers look up to them.


Lupe does what he wants to do as well. It does not look like he allows them to create his image.

Not to mention the GZA being real.


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[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Love it, Liquid Swords is one of the doppest albums ever.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Word, and he was like 28/29 when he put that classic out. :up:

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[Commodore Schmidlapp]

Kids aren't trying to hear music like this now days, incredible lyricism.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Word. I loved this joint and album when it came out. :up:

Genius...what a fitting title.

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

No doubt, what else. Anything Ghostface does, Tical, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Bobby Digital, so pretty much anything Wu.

[knowsbleed]

****ing love this joint. Straight, pure, Hip Hop Classic. :up:

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Oh man, all sorts of memories with that joint. Thanks for that. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh man, all sorts of memories with that joint. Thanks for that. :up:


Word. Love that song. :up:

I read an interview not too long ago with Pete Rock talking about when he heard the sample for that song and he just started crying it hit him so hard. Saying it was just so soulful.

[Fanticon]

Anyone listen to EMC, the new album from Masta Ace, Punchline, Wordsworth and Stricklin? At first I was really into it but after a few more listens...I think it was all hype but definitely had a few bangers...way too much R&B made it feel out of place. imo.

[RockSP]

Anyone listen to EMC, the new album from Masta Ace, Punchline, Wordsworth and Stricklin? At first I was really into it but after a few more listens...I think it was all hype but definitely had a few bangers...way too much R&B made it feel out of place. imo.

I talked about this several pages ago. I liked the album, personally.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

How do you guys feel about The Cool Kids? Totally Flossed Out?

[Fanticon]

^^^
I feel like they need to pay some dues before calling themselves hip hop. Its cool they've got a following, its cool they're coming up...but I have a feeling they'll sell out at the first chance they get.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I like their sound, it's a lot different than most acts out there. But...they themselves acknowledge that they are throwbacks to the old school. Which is cool and everything, but their sound isn't that original compared to the 80's sound of rap and a lot of the rap then was done better than what they are doing with a very similar style.

[RockSP]

Anybody heard "Motown 25" by Elzhi and Royce?

I want a whole album from them now...:word:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Nope, can't say that I have.

[terry78]

Dizzee Rascal is gonna be in Chicago this month to perform at some small pub/club thing. I may have to go check old boy out.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Another classic. :up:

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So much losers :up:

[RockSP]

Nope, can't say that I have.

From what I've heard from him Elzhi's solo album is gonna the s@#*

[RockSP]

edit

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Basically.

It's funny how little these people know about Rap and are so quick to judge it. Whatever genre of music they like think is so great or whatever and feel the need to come in here and bash rap with their limited understanding of it.

And call us or the music we like lame, or crappy or whatever their limited scope can come up with. And yet, I don't see any of us going into any of their music threads bashing it.


It would be like a person not understanding bio-chemistry and saying it is the dumbest thing ever. Just because they don't understand it.

[Monster]

Stupid question here, I don't mean to offend anyone by it but some people think that Rap is an influence for the gang culture which originates in my country.

I don't think it's the music or the artists but people think differently.

Is Rap meant to back gang culture?

[Crook]

Anyone that says rap (especially nowadays) doesn't promote some form of gang violence is in massive denial.

It's not what rap is, or should be about, however.

[Monster]

People have different music tastes, it's a lot like the "emo" music.

People say that causes teenagers to cut themselves, it's all the same concept.

Sorry for cross-referencing here.

[Crook]

It also utilizes the argument of "art imitating life" or "life imitating art". With rap, I find many people use the former to justify the subject material. But honestly, I find it's actually the latter because of their glorification.

[terry78]

Any music can promote a culture. Rock back in the day promoted violence against the establishment. And it was crucified for it.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Crook makes some good points.

But the cycle is a little larger than that.

A lot of Rappers (mostly mainstream) are influenced by either what they see on the street or what they have experienced on the street. Many of them being black (not stereotyping or anything but it's a fact) come from hard backgrounds/up bringing and are either exposed to street life or think it is "cool" to imitate it.

It's "uncool" to be educated, be a doctor, work at ups or the post office or speak properly. (Again this does not apply to everyone but if you don't think this is true, as Crook said you are in massive denial).

So Rappers want to be "thuggish" or "gagnsters" and portray that image. Then kids and adolescents buy into it because they look up to the rappers. Then the record labels promote that image even harder because it makes them billions of dollars every year.

And so on the cycle goes.

Does all rap promote gang violence? No, not at all. Does a good portion or the majority of it promote this lifestyle as glamorous in the mainstream? Absolutely.

[KenK]

Anyone get Kidz In The Hall's new album yet? Those wack bastards at Borders don't have it, even though it was released this week, and I can't download it 'cause I've got no internet on my home computer at the moment.

[RockSP]

No other place to buy it near your location?

[KenK]

No other place to buy it near your location?

I'm lazy, and I had a 40% off all CDs coupons I could have used at the Borders a few blocks from where I work, which is why I went on my lunch break.

[Conebone69]

Lil Wayne has been comin out with some pretty sick stuff

[knowsbleed]

nope...

[Cmill216]

Weezy's success is brainwashing at its finest.

[Conebone69]

Weezy's success is brainwashing at its finest.
So you dont like him?

[Cmill216]

So you dont like him?

.....Not really.

I mean, I respect the fact that he's able to come up with enough crap to release a new mixtape every damn week, but that doesn't mean his talents as an emcee are vasty overrated by his legion of Stans.

[Conebone69]

I think hes a pretty good free styler

[knowsbleed]

There are too many freestyle emcees out there that could destroy that man on the mic.

[Crook]

Weezy's success is brainwashing at its finest.
Haha. I must admit though, every song he's on, he always stands out. He's got a unique style, be it good or bad.

You hear that Lollipop Remix Kanye just jumped on? Ye absolutely ripped that track to shreds. :up:

I think hes a pretty good free styler
Have you actually seen him freestyle? He's horrid at it.

[Conebone69]

Haha. I must admit though, every song he's on, he always stands out. He's got a unique style, be it good or bad.

You hear that Lollipop Remix Kanye just jumped on? Ye absolutely ripped that track to shreds. :up:


Have you actually seen him freestyle? He's horrid at it.
Horrid? How is he horrid. I think his free style is pretty good. Idk I think his music is pretty tight

[Crook]

Seriously, you consider that good? You need to watch some true freestyles, people that can actually flow and rip lyrics.

The freestyles you've probably seen Wayne do, are just like 90% of these other rappers: written and rehearsed. Complete disgrace to the art form, if you ask me.

[knowsbleed]

half the **** he's saying doesn't even make sense... nor does it rhyme. :down

Morney? More money? psh.

[Conebone69]

Seriously, you consider that good? You need to watch some true freestyles, people that can actually flow and rip lyrics.

The freestyles you've probably seen Wayne do, are just like 90% of these other rappers: written and rehearsed. Complete disgrace to the art form, if you ask me.
Lol yeah scratch that. I've seen him do this one free style that was pretty tight but then I just saw a bunch of his other ones on youtube and hes not good. But you gotta admit eminem and luda are good at free styling though

[Crook]

MC Juice's freestyle on the "Tried by 12" beat is still one of the illest FREESTYLES I've ever heard:

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Starts around the 1:20 mark. Absolutely murders it. I dare anyone to top that. :cmad:

[knowsbleed]

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[Conebone69]

MC Juice's freestyle on the "Tried by 12" beat is still one of the illest FREESTYLES I've ever heard:

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Starts around the 1:20 mark. Absolutely murders it. I dare anyone to top that. :cmad:
Eminem can free style just as good as that

[knowsbleed]

Eminem can free style just as good as that

Eminem is not the be all end ell of freestylers... he wasn't even the nicest. He was just the whitest. And Dre decided to make him a pet project... because he saw the future in him.

IMO... Ahmad killed it in that freestyle.

[Crook]

Eminem is not the be all end ell of freestylers... he wasn't even the nicest. He was just the whitest.
Finding the nicest freestyler of all time is hard to gauge, imo. But I definitely wouldn't rule out Em as just a nice white freestyle artist.

As much as I hate him now, when he was young and in his prime, dude was so lyrically crazy with his freestyles, and his flow and breathing patterns were impeccable. Imo, no one was f'ing with Em during his best days. Except....that one battle with Juice, which he still held himself damn well against a vet. :o

[knowsbleed]

I agree... he was a sick freestyler in his prime who came up with some really off the wall type stuff. BUT... can you honestly tell me that he would have been just as popular if he were a black emcee with the same skills?

[Crook]

I always hear that question, and I always say, "Does it matter?"

Eminem wouldn't be Eminem if he wasn't white. And it's not like he got where he was at solely because of his skin color. Dude had to work at it, to get the rep that he did in the hip hop world.

If you ask me, a lot of black rappers should be ashamed because for all the ish Em took because of his skin, he did more for hip hop based on artistic merit, than all of them could without him.

[Godman]

So you dont like him?

Hell No, Just another rapper who talks about nothing new or elevative whatsoever

[Godman]

I always hear that question, and I always say, "Does it matter?"

Eminem wouldn't be Eminem if he wasn't white. And it's not like he got where he was at solely because of his skin color. Dude had to work at it, to get the rep that he did in the hip hop world.

If you ask me, a lot of black rappers should be ashamed because for all the ish Em took because of his skin, he did more for hip hop based on artistic merit, than all of them could without him.

perfectly said. He is the greatest rap story ever. He went through more racism then every black rapper out there combined and has had as many haters as Jesus...lol. Em made it because of his skill because if it was solely his skin then why is bubba Sparxxx nowhere or Jin who comes from the most populated country in the world?????

Eminem made it because his name was attached to a great producer who has slept on many of his own artist/roster but has made as many platinum stars too. Also having battle credibility and underground rep does help unlike folks like vanilla ice. Eminem has never had anyone to copy but himself. Every white rapper who comes out today is attached to Eminem's name some how but Em was only attached to the likes of Vanilla Ice if anything and he came out corny style but nobody could deny the skill behind the "Hi my name is".

He is honestly as important to Hip Hop and the meaning behind the word emcee as Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Slick Rick, KRS 1, 2pac, and biggie. Difference is Eminem made himself by being himself where as Pac and many more on that list adhered to the status quo

[Godman]

Juice is the best freestyler ever in my perspective

[knowsbleed]

Em made it because of Dre. Don't get it twisted. If it weren't for Dre... Em wouldn't have made it past his first two albums.

[Godman]

Em made it because of Dre. Don't get it twisted. If it weren't for Dre... Em wouldn't have made it past his first two albums.

That is not factual knowledge but more speculation on the matter, but you are right and everyone acknowledges that, but you can say the exact same for Snoop, 50 Cent, Xzibit, Dogg Pound, Eve, DOC, and practically anyone who has ever been on deathrow. Pac's most successful cross over song "California Love" was Dre, so you can say that about a lot of emcees and what not who aren't white.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Eminem can free style just as good as that


I posted this a while back maybe 10-20 pages now. This is way before, Eminem, Juice or Supernatural.

You like fresh freestyles check this. Their flow may not be as defined as other freestyle emcees now but check the metaphors and similes.

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And here is another greatly slept on Emcee.

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[Crook]

The Finesse and Percee battle didn't even sound like freestyles, more like rehearsed. There were people in the background rapping along. :huh:

[American_Idiot]

I like Eminem's older stuff too. Everything up to "Encore" was good, imo. We'll just have to wait and see when his next album drops, which is rumored for later this year/early next.

Other white rappers who can rip it in freestyles are Eyedea (of Eyedea and Abilities) - look him up on youtube, and Slug (of Atmosphere). Neither of them has quite hit the mainstream yet, but they are damn good.

[knowsbleed]

That is not factual knowledge but more speculation on the matter, but you are right and everyone acknowledges that, but you can say the exact same for Snoop, 50 Cent, Xzibit, Dogg Pound, Eve, DOC, and practically anyone who has ever been on deathrow.

You could... but we weren't talking about them. We were talking about Eminem. Out of all of those artists you mentioned... Snoop is probably the one most comparable to Eminem as far as being discovered by Dre. Even though he was originally a part of a crew with Warren G... Dre is the one who put him in the spotlight.

And as far as 50... I attribute his success to his affiliation with both Dre AND Eminem. It didn't hurt 50's sales when Eminem was asked "who's your favorite rapper" and he says, "I'm really liking 50 Cent's flow right now".
Pac's most successful cross over song "California Love" was Dre, so you can say that about a lot of emcees and what not who aren't white.

Pac would've made it even without Dre. He was a very well established icon already. He would've been okay without Dr Dre. Dre just did what he does with any artist... he molded their sound with his style and created something totally new. In Tupac's case... Dre crafted the east coast killer... because that's what Tupac's sound became, a sound that was put out there to murder the east coast sound.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I like Eminem's older stuff too. Everything up to "Encore" was good, imo. We'll just have to wait and see when his next album drops, which is rumored for later this year/early next.

Other white rappers who can rip it in freestyles are Eyedea (of Eyedea and Abilities) - look him up on youtube, and Slug (of Atmosphere). Neither of them has quite hit the mainstream yet, but they are damn good.

Atmosphere just put out When Life Gives You Lemons You Paint That **** Gold. It debuted #5 on the billboard charts. So yeah, Slug has hit the mainstream officially.

[Godman]

You could... but we weren't talking about them. We were talking about Eminem. Out of all of those artists you mentioned... Snoop is probably the one most comparable to Eminem as far as being discovered by Dre. Even though he was originally a part of a crew with Warren G... Dre is the one who put him in the spotlight.

And as far as 50... I attribute his success to his affiliation with both Dre AND Eminem. It didn't hurt 50's sales when Eminem was asked "who's your favorite rapper" and he says, "I'm really liking 50 Cent's flow right now".


Pac would've made it even without Dre. He was a very well established icon already. He would've been okay without Dr Dre. Dre just did what he does with any artist... he molded their sound with his style and created something totally new. In Tupac's case... Dre crafted the east coast killer... because that's what Tupac's sound became, a sound that was put out there to murder the east coast sound.

At least by our posts color of an individual rapper had nothing to do with anything

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

At least by our posts color of an individual rapper had nothing to do with anything

To deny Eminem wasn't as successful as he was due to his skin color is pretty ignorant.

[knowsbleed]

Sad... but true.

[RockSP]

To deny Eminem wasn't as successful as he was due to his skin color is pretty ignorant.

Heh. Exactly. White people who don't even listen to rap bought Eminem records. Stations that don't play hip-hop at all would play his records. This is a majority white country...it's not rocket science. We are not a "post-race" society. Or world.

Saying all that doesn't take away from the fact that he is talented. But it is what it is.

[Johnny Drama]

My favorite Eminem joints were "Tonight", "Infinite" and "Biterphobia"
all of which are pre-slim shady days.
I loved his stuff in 96, his rawkus stuff tight, but one 98 came and he sighned with Dre to aftermath I kinda lost interest.
He still had the massive talent but his subject matter became too silly.

[Crook]

He kinda had to. He was riding on other rappers' styles with that Infinite album. He needed to craft his own road so people would recognize him as his own rapper.

[Johnny Drama]

True, but I related more to the lyrical content on infinite. Jealousy woes and tonight, those songs spoke to me.
I never wanted to kill my mom or wife, I never banged trailer park whores I met at laundry mat and I haven't taken half the drugs he pays homage to on "The Slim Shady LP"
And "THe Marshall Mathers LP" was better, and I thought "The Eminiem Show" was pretty solid but with a few exceptions ("Drips", Haileys song")
Encore was garbage... Plain and simple. That album was a letdown.

[knowsbleed]

I love Eminem's Rawkus stuff. I miss Rawkus. :csad:

[Johnny Drama]

I love Eminem's Rawkus stuff. I miss Rawkus. :csad:

It's still around doing it up, man.
My best friend Dutch (Dutchmassive) is on the label. He is one of the featured artists on the website and he is touring with the Rawkus 50 circuit.

[knowsbleed]

I miss Soundbombings.





Actually... I only like SBII... but still.

[RockSP]

I miss Soundbombings. Actually... I only like SBII... but still.

I & II were good. III had a couple of songs but as an album it was :csad:.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Heh. Exactly. White people who don't even listen to rap bought Eminem records. Stations that don't play hip-hop at all would play his records. This is a majority white country...it's not rocket science. We are not a "post-race" society. Or world.

Saying all that doesn't take away from the fact that he is talented. But it is what it is.

Word, Rap albums do not sell 2 million plus albums in their first week of release and set the second highest selling debut album of all time.

[Lpilgrim]

I & II were good. III had a couple of songs but as an album it was :csad:.


nice sig and avatar rock. roots are probably in my top 4 bands. rising down is doper than i expected.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Another pure classic.

lT7pOC0F4GY

[KenK]

Kidz in the Hall & Mick Boogie - Detention

Free Download: http://brokebboys.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/kidz-in-the-hall-new-label-new-mixtape/

I almost paid for it on iTunes, although it would have been worth the money. The whole thing cranks, but the best tracks are Train of Thought, Clothes Hoes & Liquor, and Hush

Still need to get The In Crowd, though. :csad:

[Zacky]

Do any of u guys like RBL Posse

[KenK]

Can't say I've heard of them.

[Zacky]

Can't say I've heard of them.

Bounce To This, Blue Bird

http://www.amazon.com/Ruthless-Law-RBL-Posse/dp/B000001UKE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1211480872&sr=1-1

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Do any of u guys like RBL Posse

I listened to them back in the day when I was in high school. Haven't heard anything from them in years.

[knowsbleed]

Another pure classic.

lT7pOC0F4GY

The remixes were tight... the originals, notsomuch. I loved The Fugees though. The Score is one of my most favorite albums of all time. I was so disappointed when their "reunion" fizzled. But that new single they came out with was sort of weak and sounded nothing like what I'd imagine their new sound to be like. I hear the beat from Lighters Up by Lil Kim and I can picture them getting down with a beat like that.

[Godman]

I like Eminem's older stuff too. Everything up to "Encore" was good, imo. We'll just have to wait and see when his next album drops, which is rumored for later this year/early next.

Other white rappers who can rip it in freestyles are Eyedea (of Eyedea and Abilities) - look him up on youtube, and Slug (of Atmosphere). Neither of them has quite hit the mainstream yet, but they are damn good.

Encore was an exausted Eminem to me. Knowing where he lyrically came from

[Godman]

To deny Eminem wasn't as successful as he was due to his skin color is pretty ignorant.

So was snoop, cause he was black right? 2pac? weren't they BLACK and still have as much success???? Whatever!!!!

Buba Sparxxx is white...failed

[Godman]

Heh. Exactly. White people who don't even listen to rap bought Eminem records. Stations that don't play hip-hop at all would play his records. This is a majority white country...it's not rocket science. We are not a "post-race" society. Or world.

Saying all that doesn't take away from the fact that he is talented. But it is what it is.

again...explain bubba sparxxx then?

[Godman]

My favorite Eminem joints were "Tonight", "Infinite" and "Biterphobia"
all of which are pre-slim shady days.
I loved his stuff in 96, his rawkus stuff tight, but one 98 came and he sighned with Dre to aftermath I kinda lost interest.
He still had the massive talent but his subject matter became too silly.

Eminem's best tracks ever are

Infinite
Life
I just don't give a ****
The Way I am
Bad Meets Evil
Role Model
Criminal

anything post Eminem Show was GREAT

[SouLeSS]

So my rap group performed one of our shows last night.

And it was awesome. I'll link the videos whenever I get them uploaded.

[RockSP]

again...explain bubba sparxxx then?

:huh: Explain what? Not every rapper is going to blow up.

[RockSP]

So was snoop, cause he was black right? 2pac? weren't they BLACK and still have as much success???? Whatever!!!!


Uhm...No. Especially Tupac.

[Godman]

:huh: Explain what? Not every rapper is going to blow up.

So it wasn't cause of being white. It may have added a few hundred thousand on but He went platinum as much as snoop and Pac, just that he could actually rap as since the last white rapper we got was garbage...Vanilla Ice.

Remember in the late 90s...wack music was not really as tolerable as todays soulja boys and what not. Eminem actually had it harder to make it due to the sour taste left by predecessors. Him being white made it interesting, but was as much as snoop looking like a Dog and Pac being that guy from JUICE making it.

[Godman]

Uhm...No. Especially Tupac.

Pac is one of the most stereotypically used rap icons today ALL around the world.

[RockSP]

Pac is one of the most stereotypically used rap icons today ALL around the world.

Yes but his record sales were nothing like Eminems.

[Godman]

Yes but his record sales were nothing like Eminems.

That is where I agree with him being white helped market him, plus he wasn't a THUG or GANGSTA which at the time was redundant since NWA

It wasn't just being white...it was because he EMBRACED being white and din't knock himself for it and knew what he was and never tried being negro in one song.

[Crook]

...until 50 and G-Unit came along. :o

[Godman]

...until 50 and G-Unit came along. :o

Nah he didn't become Negro cause 50 and Banks don't defy Negro they just define ignorance

[Crook]

Let me quote a lil' preach from a famous song:

"N*ggas watch n*ggas die,
n*ggas, die, n*ggas, die, n*ggas, die,
n*ggas, die, n*ggas, die, n*ggas, die, n*ggas!
....so black folks can take over"

So no, I will have to disagree. :o

[Godman]

Let me quote a lil' preach from a famous song:

"N*ggas watch n*ggas die,
n*ggas, die, n*ggas, die, n*ggas, die,
n*ggas, die, n*ggas, die, n*ggas, die, n*ggas!
....so black folks can take over"

So no, I will have to disagree. :o

I'm lost?!

[Crook]

50 and Banks are the very definition of a "Negro".

[Godman]

50 and Banks are the very definition of a "Negro".

****** yes, but not Negro

[Crook]

They're basically the same word, but ok, I'll go with that. I know what you mean.

[Colossal Spoons]

Damn, when did they censor that word? lol

[RockSP]

S#@*, they better.

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha

[Godman]

S#@*, they better.

It's an irrelevant word to me and as bad as calling a brother STUPID, IDIOT, FOOL, MORON,

[Warhammer]

It's an irrelevant word to me and as bad as calling a brother STUPID, IDIOT, FOOL, MORON,

That does not exist in a politically correct world. :o

I'll never call anyone a fool, though. The bible says not to call anyone a fool. Word up. :o

[Godman]

That does not exist in a politically correct world. :o

I'll never call anyone a fool, though. The bible says not to call anyone a fool. Word up. :o

Sorry Im not religious so I don't care about that.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So it wasn't cause of being white. It may have added a few hundred thousand on but He went platinum as much as snoop and Pac, just that he could actually rap as since the last white rapper we got was garbage...Vanilla Ice.

Remember in the late 90s...wack music was not really as tolerable as todays soulja boys and what not. Eminem actually had it harder to make it due to the sour taste left by predecessors. Him being white made it interesting, but was as much as snoop looking like a Dog and Pac being that guy from JUICE making it.

Who sold over 15 million albums. Hmmmm, and as you said he was garbage. Yet Eminem had skill. Hmmmm

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So was snoop, cause he was black right? 2pac? weren't they BLACK and still have as much success???? Whatever!!!!

Buba Sparxxx is white...failed


Like I said ignorance. He had skill, yes and they marketed him correctly yes. But take a look at his concerts and record sales.

No other black emcee before him or after other than emcee hammer (look at his concerts and see who was in the audience then too) had nearly as much success as he did. And plenty of them easily had more skill and better production.

No, only being white didn't propel him into super stardom. But to deny it was a huge factor is ignorant.

Eminem as Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer were turned into pop icons and that's why they sold millions of records. Biggie sold over 10 million with life after death and we all know why that happened.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Eminem's best tracks ever are

Infinite
Life
I just don't give a ****
The Way I am
Bad Meets Evil
Role Model
Criminal

anything post Eminem Show was GREAT

Do you mean pre? Because post means after and pre means before. :confused:

[Godman]

Do you mean pre? Because post means after and pre means before. :confused:

yea I meant pre...sorry