The Hip Hop Thread

[Godman]

Like I said ignorance. He had skill, yes and they marketed him correctly yes. But take a look at his concerts and record sales.

No other black emcee before him or after other than emcee hammer (look at his concerts and see who was in the audience then too) had nearly as much success as he did. And plenty of them easily had more skill and better production.

No, only being white didn't propel him into super stardom. But to deny it was a huge factor is ignorant.

Eminem as Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer were turned into pop icons and that's why they sold millions of records. Biggie sold over 10 million with life after death and we all know why that happened.

I agree, but most of them are POP icons today anyway.

[knowsbleed]

again...explain bubba sparxxx then?

Let's just say that teenage girls aren't going to be putting pictures of Bubba Sparxxx all over their walls.

[Crook]

Lol, you do realize how many fugs we got in rap?

[knowsbleed]

That's why they haven't attained the pop status of Eminem.

[Crook]

I refuse to acknowledge that as any factor to his tremendous success. We've had many pop icons that aren't exactly GQ material.

[knowsbleed]

So you refuse to accept that millions of teenage girls bought his album solely because they thought he was hot?

[Crook]

Yeah.

Him being white and having catchy mainstream singles were bigger draws than his looks.

[RockSP]

It all factored in. Whiteness, looks, catchy singles, Dre association...

[Godman]

It all factored in. Whiteness, looks, catchy singles, Dre association...

Don't forget SKILLS too

Snoop also blew up cause he was BLACK and so did 50 Cent. Who cares about that. Don't forget what they rap about as also to their come up stories and singles that came out.

Eminem went through HELL being white in Hip Hop and made it at age 26/27 for the same reason. He had been grinding and had two albums before Slim Shady LP...If being white was the main reason for his success then explain the flops of Infinite and Slim Shady EP??? It's SKILL and great story telling and music that was desperately needed when black rappers had stopped being creative and got lazy as hell making music.

Eminem was the only rapper who came out not thinking he was a G and NEVER talked about assets but his personal life experience. Many other factors helped his success. If he came out gangstered out and talked about the same old Lil wayne **** then he would not have sold what he sold. Being white is a great factor but had to have intelligence to deliver a huge change to a boring genre in the mainstream.

His wicked, crazy, and controversial lyrics helped him like 50 being shot "9" times.

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Don't forget SKILLS too

Snoop also blew up cause he was BLACK and so did 50 Cent. Who cares about that. Don't forget what they rap about as also to their come up stories and singles that came out.

Eminem went through HELL being white in Hip Hop and made it at age 26/27 for the same reason. He had been grinding and had two albums before Slim Shady LP...If being white was the main reason for his success then explain the flops of Infinite and Slim Shady EP??? It's SKILL and great story telling and music that was desperately needed when black rappers had stopped being creative and got lazy as hell making music.

Eminem was the only rapper who came out not thinking he was a G and NEVER talked about assets but his personal life experience. Many other factors helped his success. If he came out gangstered out and talked about the same old Lil wayne **** then he would not have sold what he sold. Being white is a great factor but had to have intelligence to deliver a huge change to a boring genre in the mainstream.

His wicked, crazy, and controversial lyrics helped him like 50 being shot "9" times.

Yes they blew up, but one never to the level of Eminem. Not even close and two it wasn't because they were black. It was because Snoop had Dre backing him who had just released The Chronic, arguably one of the biggest rap albums of the 90's if not ever and he had skill and the whole west coast gangsta/funk rap was in full effect.

50 blew up because of his association with Eminem and the whole controversy surrounding him being a "real G" and what not. Look at his albums before that. They didn't sell ****.

It had nothing to do with them being black.

[Godman]

Yes they blew up, but one never to the level of Eminem. Not even close and two it wasn't because they were black. It was because Snoop had Dre backing him who had just released The Chronic, arguably one of the biggest rap albums of the 90's if not ever and he had skill and the whole west coast gangsta/funk rap was in full effect.

50 blew up because of his association with Eminem and the whole controversy surrounding him being a "real G" and what not. Look at his albums before that. They didn't sell ****.

It had nothing to do with them being black.

All blew up cause of DRE and subject matter including come up stories and being the fresh new idea to Hip Hop at the time. Eminem could reach more kids and people in general cause his material is more universal than that Gangsta **** which 90% of the world don't Live where as We almost ALL could relate to Eminem in some fashion.

I can't relate to NWA or Gunit other than the fact they rap which I do to and that they are of the same ethnic group. That's it. As for who I could sit down and really relate to is Eminem's struggle and his life not being a G'd out fella, gun toatin and what not. That is why he blew, not just cause of being white. Bubba Sparxxx remains that proof

[RockSP]

Don't forget SKILLS too

He has skills but you don't have to have skills to be a pop sensation.

[Godman]

He has skills but you don't have to have skills to be a pop sensation.

This is true, but don't forget that even Gangsta rap lovers and "thugs" buy Eminem Albums too

[knowsbleed]

Taking it back... waay back. :up:

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[Godman]

Taking it back... waay back. :up:

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NICE

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Taking it back... waay back. :up:

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Oh snap. :up:

[knowsbleed]

Lakim Shabazz was nice back in the day. And his boy had the running man on LOCK! :woot:

[Neto Magnus]

Taking it back... waay back. :up:

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godamn that takes me back. What show was that?

[knowsbleed]

That show was called Sunday Night, later called Night Music hosted by David Sanborn. Lots of jazz and other types of non-mainstream type music was showcased on that show. Great acts.

[Godman]

That show was called Sunday Night, later called Night Music hosted by David Sanborn. Lots of jazz and other types of non-mainstream type music was showcased on that show. Great acts.

We need another show like that.

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Ok so I think this song is "Mr. Hollywood" by Okie Dokie or it might be by Mr. Okie Dokie not 100% sure.

Does anyone know for sure? Or know where I can get this song?

[knowsbleed]

Have no idea. But "Mr Hollywood" seems to be the title. I can't find it anywhere on google. But Okie Doke's picture from the video is on his supposed myspace page. I don't know if its really his though. Really nice track though.

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Yeah that's about all I have been able to find out too. Damn it.

[Nakon]

Oh yes, a huge rap/hip-hop fan.

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Classic

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[GeoffTheArtist]

The Low End Theory. :up: Most definitely a classic.

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Word :up:

[RockSP]

The best Tribe album

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I don't know Midnight is pretty ill.

[RockSP]

I always liked Low End best. Midnight to me is great too but is really a continuation of Low End. But the leap from People's Instictive to Low End was never duplicated. In fact, after Midnight the quality of their albums went straight downhill.

[American_Idiot]

It all factored in. Whiteness, looks, catchy singles, Dre association...

Coupled with the fact that he's a good lyricist.

He's really not a good-lookin' guy. Its his "bad guy" attitude that most girls are attracted to. That, the money, fame, power...and talent factors. These are all things that many women find attractive.

Kid Rock, John Mayer, Jack Johnson, etc. None of these guys would be considered "hot" if not for the those things I mentioned above.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Jack Johnson isn't a bad looking guy.

[American_Idiot]

Not bad looking persay, but not someone that would otherwise be considered "hot" by most women's standards, that is, without the talent, fame, money, power, etc. Same goes for Eminem and John Mayer. Kid Rock may be further down the totem-pole.

[RockSP]

He's really not a good-lookin' guy. Its his "bad guy" attitude that most girls are attracted to. That, the money, fame, power...and talent factors. These are all things that many women find attractive.

That is true. Good looks are very subjective, though.

[American_Idiot]

^ My point being, Eminem is not completely hideous, nor is he model-material. He's an average looking guy. Young women who think he's "hot" may help contribute to his album sales, but the reason they find him hot is more-than-likely not-so-much based on his physical appearance.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Jack Johnson certainly isn't in Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, or George Clooney's realm. But I can see a lot of women finding him attractive just simply based on looks not taking talent into it at all.

As for the rest, not bad looking guys but not great looking either. Eminem even says himself that he is a corny looking white body whose scrawny and his nose is pointy.

[American_Idiot]

^ Exactly. Eminem will be the first to admit it.

Jack Johnson is more along the lines of Ed Norton. Still, there's not a whole lot of room for people to say "he only sells millions because he's good-looking". See what I'm saying?

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Who Jack Johnson or Ed Norton? :D

[Nakon]

Classic

XRsLLeWVX6ASweet video. I always loved it.

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Word is bond. :up:

When did that saying go out of style?

[GeoffTheArtist]

When real hip hop stopped getting played on the radio. :csad:

[knowsbleed]

^ My point being, Eminem is not completely hideous, nor is he model-material. He's an average looking guy. Young women who think he's "hot" may help contribute to his album sales, but the reason they find him hot is more-than-likely not-so-much based on his physical appearance.

There are lots of women who are considered hot because of their fame as well... but they are average looking women. Kirsten Dunst... and more Kirsten Dunst... you get my drift. Eminem may not be a Zoolander rapper but he used to be on all the teen girl magazines... you don't get that kind of exposure if you look like Bubba Sparxxx.

[American_Idiot]

Well, if Bubba Sparxxx wasn't such a big boy...

You don't see a whole lot of chubby celebrities on teen magazines, period. Thats just the way it is. Even adult magazines - Kirstie Alley didn't start appearing on non-tabloid mags again until she lost the weight.

I'll agree with you though that it goes both ways. There are several female celebrities who are average, or just above, that are "hotter" to a number of guys because of WHO they are.

[Cmill216]

you don't get that kind of exposure if you look like Bubba Sparxxx.

LAWL!

[Crowforge]

I'm not sure looks matter all that much...
http://gwradio.com/merlin-cgi/p/downloadPhoto/d/22312/n/off/

[RockSP]

But Doom isn't a multi-platinum pop star, either.

[Crowforge]

How much of that is looks and how much is him being willfully underground?

[Crowforge]

You could always pull a Gorillaz

[RockSP]

How much of that is looks and how much is him being willfully underground?

Obviously with the type of music he makes he isn't trying to be pop.

Eminem on the other hand, from the moment of his first big hit has always put out a silly pop-oriented first single.

[GeoffTheArtist]

All the fluff with no real substance.

[Cmill216]

How much of that is looks and how much is him having a completely unappealing flow?

I'd say the latter. :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well, if Bubba Sparxxx wasn't such a big boy...

You don't see a whole lot of chubby celebrities on teen magazines, period. Thats just the way it is. Even adult magazines - Kirstie Alley didn't start appearing on non-tabloid mags again until she lost the weight.

I'll agree with you though that it goes both ways. There are several female celebrities who are average, or just above, that are "hotter" to a number of guys because of WHO they are.


Obviously, all the fame, money and power many women find them attractive. But the other reason is because these men have done something with themselves. They are driven, focused, confident, self motivated and so on. They have what women want. They are men.

At least in terms of doing what they need to do to go somewhere in life.

Don't get me wrong, all the other factors play into that as well as I mentioned earlier. But even if you are not a celebrity, but say a very successful business man or own your own business and women know this.

They will find you much more attractive than if you don't do **** with your life.

[American_Idiot]

Here's what it boils down to:

- Eminem has talent that most "hip-hop heads" recognize(d). They support(ed) him.
- Eminem was backed by Dre. This gained him a lot of cred and could only help boost album sales.
- Eminem was the first good white rapper to hit the mainstream since the Beastie Boys. Vanilla Ice kinda effed things up for most white mc's trying to be taken seriously. When Eminem first hit the scene, it was kind of the same shock value Tiger Woods brought to golf, a predominately white sport. This gained him a lot of media attention, which doesn't hurt one's album sales. Hip-hop loving white kids idolized him and again, added to his sales.
- Eminem was controversial. He talked about things that other mainstream rappers would not talk about in their hit singles (Killing his wife, exposing his mother, drug addictions, Sunny Bono, etc)
- Eminem's bad boy image - tatted up, rough around the edges, "just don't give a f---" mentality. Girls dig that. Not being overweight and in shape added some sex appeal as well. Thus the screaming teenage girl fanbase.

All of these factors attribute to Eminem's success. I'd say of those, him being an okay looking guy has the least to do with him being the icon he is, though it doesn't hurt either.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Here's what it boils down to:

- Eminem has talent that most "hip-hop heads" recognize(d). They support(ed) him.
- Eminem was backed by Dre. This gained him a lot of cred and could only help boost album sales.
- Eminem was the first good white rapper to hit the mainstream since the Beastie Boys. Vanilla Ice kinda effed things up for most white mc's trying to be taken seriously. When Eminem first hit the scene, it was kind of the same shock value Tiger Woods brought to golf, a predominately white sport. This gained him a lot of media attention, which doesn't hurt one's album sales. Hip-hop loving white kids idolized him and again, added to his sales.
- Eminem was controversial. He talked about things that other mainstream rappers would not talk about in their hit singles (Killing his wife, exposing his mother, drug addictions, Sunny Bono, etc)
- Eminem's bad boy image - tatted up, rough around the edges, "just don't give a f---" mentality. Girls dig that. Not being overweight and in shape added some sex appeal as well. Thus the screaming teenage girl fanbase.

All of these factors attribute to Eminem's success. I'd say of those, him being an okay looking guy has the least to do with him being the icon he is, though it doesn't hurt either.

Third base. MC Search *cough* *cough*

[Crook]

He said mainstream. And yes, I know he was popular....for a little while. :o

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

He was pretty mainstream.

[Godman]

Here's what it boils down to:

- Eminem has talent that most "hip-hop heads" recognize(d). They support(ed) him.
- Eminem was backed by Dre. This gained him a lot of cred and could only help boost album sales.
- Eminem was the first good white rapper to hit the mainstream since the Beastie Boys. Vanilla Ice kinda effed things up for most white mc's trying to be taken seriously. When Eminem first hit the scene, it was kind of the same shock value Tiger Woods brought to golf, a predominately white sport. This gained him a lot of media attention, which doesn't hurt one's album sales. Hip-hop loving white kids idolized him and again, added to his sales.
- Eminem was controversial. He talked about things that other mainstream rappers would not talk about in their hit singles (Killing his wife, exposing his mother, drug addictions, Sunny Bono, etc)
- Eminem's bad boy image - tatted up, rough around the edges, "just don't give a f---" mentality. Girls dig that. Not being overweight and in shape added some sex appeal as well. Thus the screaming teenage girl fanbase.

All of these factors attribute to Eminem's success. I'd say of those, him being an okay looking guy has the least to do with him being the icon he is, though it doesn't hurt either.

100% co signing that

[Crowforge]

I'd say the latter. :up:
I'd say you're clueless.

[Cmill216]

I'd say you're clueless.

I'm clueless about MF Doom having a flow that many hip hop fans find annoying?

Enlighten me.

[Godman]

hey you guys, would you please take time and go peep my tracks on myspace? Mastering ain't the best but it's what I can do with all I have. Lemme know wzup and what you think. I produce it all and write my own stuff and practically everything.

[Crowforge]

I'm clueless about MF Doom having a flow that many hip hop fans find annoying?

Enlighten me.
He's the only reason I listen to rap at this point. A lot of people like the current popular rap artists and while I'd like them all to have a tragic accident with the side of a mountain it doesn't change their standing with those fans. Your "completely unappealing flow" joke doesn't take my opinion into account.

[Cmill216]

He's the only reason I listen to rap at this point. A lot of people like the current popular rap artists and while I'd like them all to have a tragic accident with the side of a mountain it doesn't change their standing with those fans. Your "completely unappealing flow" joke doesn't take my opinion into account.

I ain't trying to hate on Doom, it's just I have a love/hate relationship with the guy.

On one hand, I think he's clever (as do many of his fans). On the other, the dude's flow is often so unorthodox it's completely aggravating to the ear (which is why he has his fair share of detractors).

[Godman]

He's the only reason I listen to rap at this point. A lot of people like the current popular rap artists and while I'd like them all to have a tragic accident with the side of a mountain it doesn't change their standing with those fans. Your "completely unappealing flow" joke doesn't take my opinion into account.

MF Doom and Immortal Technique can rap and have some depth, but unlike someone like Lupe or Common or even the likes of Fabolous, They don't have infectious or entertaining flows.

The two best emcees to hold a consistency in flowing and are damn excellent rhymers I'd say Rakim Allah and Black Thought, They both bridge underground and somewhat mainstream. Also both have depth.

[RockSP]

The two best emcees to hold a consistency in flowing and are damn excellent rhymers I'd say Rakim Allah and Black Thought, They both bridge underground and somewhat mainstream. Also both have depth.


Thought talks about putting out a solo singing album in the latest Source.

[Godman]

Thought talks about putting out a solo singing album in the latest Source.

singing??? or rapping??? can he sing??? would be different, but not interesting to me if he's singing.

[Crowforge]

Hmm.... I'm actually sick of people giving Rakim his props. It's nothing against him, but I know, I was there!
There's also something to be said for content. Crack aside, he rhymes about stuff I find amusing. I love all those old cartoon samples.
For me I don't need everything to flow if it's more clever not to. I'm sure if that was the point he could make every song nonstop flow.

[Godman]

Hmm.... I'm actually sick of people giving Rakim his props. It's nothing against him, but I know, I was there!
There's also something to be said for content. Crack aside, he rhymes about stuff I find amusing. I love all those old cartoon samples.
For me I don't need everything to flow if it's more clever not to. I'm sure if that was the point he could make every song nonstop flow.

I didn't quite get what you were getting at...His flow? content? what are you saying?? 18th letter has it all. Elevation rap, wicked rhymes and perfect delivery, content is never dull, rep your city, female song, religious, and politics here and there. The dude had a true LP and is why many try to compare to that and Illmatic.

[Crowforge]

I'm still going on about MF DOOM.

[Godman]

I'm still going on about MF DOOM.

You would be the Picasso fan where as I would love the Rembrandts, Di Vincis, and Donatellos. it is what it is...

[Crowforge]

Actually I think Picasso was a huge jerk and overrated to boot but I get your point.

[Cmill216]

Thought talks about putting out a solo singing album in the latest Source.

Whatever happened to Dangerous Thoughts, the collab with Danger Mouse?

[Cmill216]

Seeing Sounds, the new N*E*R*D, has leaked.

I'm listening to it in full tomorrow, but from the very little I've heard, it sounds insane.

[RockSP]

singing??? or rapping??? can he sing??? would be different, but not interesting to me if he's singing.

Yeah he can sing a little. He's been singing on tour for a while now.

Whatever happened to Dangerous Thoughts, the collab with Danger Mouse?

Good question. I think I read something a while back about them still planning to do it but it's all about scheduling the time.

[Godman]

Yeah he can sing a little. He's been singing on tour for a while now.



Good question. I think I read something a while back about them still planning to do it but it's all about scheduling the time.

Not interested in him singing as much as I'm not interested in Tonedeff doing the same

[Mac_Hine]

I'm DONE with rap. I used to be a huge fan but now it's all about classic rock.

[knowsbleed]

Seeing Sounds, the new N*E*R*D, has leaked.

I'm listening to it in full tomorrow, but from the very little I've heard, it sounds insane.

Waiting for your review.

[Godman]

I'm DONE with rap. I used to be a huge fan but now it's all about classic rock.

...and classic rap

[Cmill216]

Cmill Reviews Seeing Sounds
Pharrell and company are back....with a vengeance

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It's been four long years since N*E*R*D last dropped an album. At one point, the band declared that they were done making music together for good, and a third LP seemed extremely unlikely. Chad was off in retirement-limbo, taking time to produce records for alternative pop artist and childhood friend Kenna. Pharrell remained in the lime light, producing hits for his ever-growing network of friends, while releasing his own lukewarmly received solo album In My Mind. And Shay......well, Shay was probably back in Virginia playing Playstation.

But apparently, somewhere along the line, the music gods wanted more from this genre-bending group. And with that.....N*E*R*D is back. So was it worth the wait? In a word........f*** yes.

The album was clearly designed for the sole purpose of crushing your speakers ten times over. And it accomplishes this by leaps and bounds. Sonically, it’s the band's most forward-thinking record, and their richest. Sound elements fly out of nowhere, intertwining themselves within each other to create a vibe that worms its way into your skull and tells you to bounce to that s***.

The record opens with the sound of children playing, accompanied by a string arrangement that sounds like it was ripped from a 1950s educational video. Pharrell enters with a narration, talking about his childhood and the day he started "seeing sounds". Yatta yatta. Then the sounds fade out, and in comes a bass line that slaps you across the face and tells you "It's time to f***." That bass line, combined with your typical horny lyrical jousting between Pharrell and Shay (complete with a classic N*E*R*D jazz breakdown) get the album off to a winning start.

"Everyone Nose" is next. And we know all there is to know about this one: jazz bass, hysterically good/bad hook, and jazzy breakdown. Moving right along.

"Windows" is the weakest track here, which is both a good thing and a bad thing. The song isn't terrible by any means, but it's mediocre, and threatens to bring the album to a screeching halt even before the album has begun. Thankfully, however, the song gives way to a pair of 800lb gorillas.

"Anti-Matter" and "Spazz" are big, and they are nasty. Prepare to order a new pair of headphones after your done, because they're both guaranteed to melt whatever earbuds you've got popped into your iPod. You've heard a snippet of the latter in those Zune commercials, while the former is the most rap-influneced track on here. And it bangs hard.

Next up is "Yeah You", which might be the most instantly intoxicating track on here. A stalker tale with a jazzy vibe (complete with a jazz bass and saxophone), it's a mellowed out tune that's one of the most melodic on the disc.

Then we arrive at "Sooner or Later", which is a controversial track for me. Why is that, you ask? For a very simple reason: “Sooner or Later” is as epic of a song as N*E*R*D is likely capable of. So much so that one wonders why it’s not the last song on the album. Nothing else on the album matches its intensity and power. After a melodic, ballad-like beginning, the song closes with a pure, unadulterated explosion of sound. It builds and builds and builds for nearly 3 minutes, and just when you think it can’t get any bigger….it does, complete with some crazy ear-melting guitar work. How this song wasn't placed last is beyond me. But, thankfully, the rest of the album still holds up well after its exit.

"Happy" bounces with a modern pop/rock vibe. And because Pharrell and his cohorts have an undeniable ear for the melodic, they're smart enough to let the song breathe instead of cutting it short, just as its starting to work its way into your cranium. This track is followed by "Kill Joy", another percussion-focused jam that will once again beat your speakers up like a red-headed stepchild at K-Mart.

Sounding like it was ripped from the Fly or Die sessions, “Love Bomb” is bubbly and anthemic, with a hook so silly, it’s good. "Bomb" is followed by "You Know What", a classic N*E*R*D funk/rock jam with a dash of Jamiroquai’s groove. And the album comes to a relentless close with "Laugh At It", with thick, thunderous drums giving your speakers one last b**** slap before it fades out.

And there you have it. Seeing Sounds isn't as initially hooky as In Search Of. It genuinely takes a few listens to really gather what Pharrell and company have put together here. But it's the album that truly defines what the N*E*R*D mission has always been: taking the boundaries of modern pop, rock, and hip hop and stretching them to their limits to build something entirely new. And for this lifetime nerd, the sounds are a beautiful sight to see.

GRADE: A-

[Colossal Spoons]

I didn't even know who Shay was lol

[Blade_fan1911]

I really liked Fly or Die and some people say that's their worse album. I can't wait for Seeing Sounds.

[knowsbleed]

<~~ Listening to Seeing Sounds right now. This will DEF be on my playlist for awhile. Their sound has definitely evolved from their previous releases. I'm glad they came back strong, and like CMill's excellent review stated... your speakers will look at you like your kids after you just beat them after listening to it.








note: not for backpackers. Stick to Aesop and the likes. No 90s hip hop vibe here at all.

[Colossal Spoons]

Happy and Kill Joy are my fav tracks on that album. You Know What is pretty sick too :up:

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Hmmm I may have to check it out.

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For all of the b-boys in the house.

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[Cmill216]

<~~ Listening to Seeing Sounds right now. This will DEF be on my playlist for awhile. Their sound has definitely evolved from their previous releases. I'm glad they came back strong, and like CMill's excellent review stated... your speakers will look at you like your kids after you just beat them after listening to it.


Happy and Kill Joy are my fav tracks on that album. You Know What is pretty sick too :up:

I went back and listened to it again today, just to make sure it wasn't a "first listen fluke". And thankfully, that wasn't the case. :up: "Sooner Or Later", "Yeah You", and "You Know What" are my current faves.

Between this, Rising Down and When Life Gives You Lemons, it seems like all my favorite groups brought their A-Game this year. Now if only SOB would finish their third ****in' LP already.

[Warhammer]

I am glad to see your review, Cmill. I am a HUGE N*E*R*D fan. I loved In Search Of...(preferably the Spymob version) and Fly or Die. Now that I know Seeing Sounds leaked, I am downloading for the torrent right now.

:up:

[Crook]

I figured some of ya'll old school hip hop heads might like this little exchange. LL Cool J was on a radio station recently and took some phone calls. He got a pretty special one:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/134633945a916b93/

I enjoyed it. :funny:

[WTFimVENOM]

I'm catching an Immortal Technique concert later this month in NYC, hopefully I wont feel awkward being the only white dude there...

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You won't be the only white guy there, but you might be the only non thugish :up:

[WTFimVENOM]

You won't be the only white guy there, but you might be the only non thugish :up:
I'm cool with that

[RockSP]

Bought the new J-Live album a couple days ago. Not as good as his last full length, but still pretty good.

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Bought the new J-Live album a couple days ago. Not as good as his last full length, but still pretty good.

Word, didn't even know he put something new out. :up:

[kal-el1990]

Any news on Detox yet? Is supposed to be out this year but there is STILL no date i dont think!!!

I cant wait for it though

[RockSP]

Any news on Detox yet?

It comes out Nevuary 32nd.

[Lpilgrim]

anyone else in here a fan of galapagos4 stuff? typical cats, offwhyte, and those cats. for me, it doesnt get any rawer than qwel.

[Lpilgrim]

i thought this article was pretty on point. it's akrobatik and his thoughts on a few things:
"Oh my God. Most of you guys know that I work for a commercial radio station. So, like it or not I am exposed to all of the "hip-hop" that is currently dominating the airwaves. Now, normally I just sit back and watch wackness take place; complaining about it gets old (especially since for some reason people who are not rich immediately accuse you of "hating" if you are critical of someone who is rich. After all, they are getting their money, how can you "hate"?). But not this time. I gotta speak.

Roger Troutman is the earliest memory I have of someone using the Vocoder voice modulator in order to get that effect that T-Pain always has on his voice. In the last couple of weeks, I have heard Lil Wayne, Snoop, Yung Berg, Beyonce, 50 Cent and G-Unit, and more all jumping on the voice modulation bandwagon. I'm calling it out - WORST. GIMMICK. EVER. It was wack when Cher brought it back, even wacker when Janet brought it back. What's happening now is ri-god-damn-diculous.


The fact that people have to reach so deep into the gimmick bag to try to make hits is pathetic. What's even more pathetic is this monkey-see monkey-do **** that causes everyone to jump on the same ******** gimmick at the same moment in history. If the vocoder in rap and R&B was so hot, why is it just now, 30 years after Zapp and Roger, that people are deciding at the same time that it's the ****? It's simple, mutha****as are having such a hard time staying relevant that once one artist finds a gimmick that works, all the other guys who don't wanna be left behind jump on the **** too.


It reminds me of when everyone was doing the Das Efx "miggity-diggity" style. Everyone bit that ****, myself included. My excuse is that I was a just-getting-started high school student trying to rap.

What is these people's excuse?

I read an article in this week's Improper Bostonian proclaiming that the biggest problem in today's hip-hop music and music in general is the blatant lack of creativity. They couldn't be more right. Just as I've written this blog, I've heard four consecutive songs at the station where I work that all used the Vocoder gimmick. It's so corny that it's laughable. It's so crazy to me that in this day and age the music consumer still falls for the same hook and ladder every time. Or maybe it's because every year there is a new batch of 16 year old girls that think juvenile 30 year olds are hot. I dunno. Either way, we are in a dark, dark, dark, dark, dark, dark era in music.


I'm about to tour Brazil, where people are really anxious to see me perform, and have been bumpin my music for a while. There's no vocoder, no flashy jewelry, no thug posing, no half-naked hoes letting me pour champagne on them, yet somehow what I do is appreciated there and in many other parts of the world simply for what I like to think it is - good music. Many of the artists I respect and work with can say the same thing, and will probably also tell you that people in the States are more sheltered than we are willing to admit about the music we listen to, food we eat, information we absorb, etc.


Gimmicks come and go in music, especially rap. There was that moment when everyone was doing double-time raps, and now there is the post-industry collapse loverboy thug (which I ain't totally mad at - at least they put the guns down). This voice modulation gimmick is so dominant in commercial music though, that it is making the entire current batch of pop professionals look like some serious hacks. I just wanna hear one of these guys say "hey I just did it because everyone else was, I don't really give a **** whether it's good or not".


C'mon Fiddy, step up!

Anyway, I gave up on a massive hip-hop fan revolt against wackness a long time ago. It's not happening. People take what's handed to them because that's what's easiest. So we know who is gonna be in control of the ears of young America for the foreseeable future...

I mean, if there is anyone who thinks this vocoder **** is anything short of pitiful, please, by all means step in and speak your mind. I never think that my opinion is the only one that matters, and I will eat my hat if you can convince me that this is not the WORST. GIMMICK. EVER!!

Peace and Guidance

A to the MF K

R.I.P.
Camu Tao - An artist with actual talent and creativity!

PS - I am not discrediting anyone's talents or abilities, just naming some people who used this tired gimmick recently. Just facts."

[Cmill216]

^ That's some truth right there.

I tried listening to a Top 40 station last week while at work.....I haven't laughed so hard in years. :dry:

[Crook]

i thought this article was pretty on point. it's akrobatik and his thoughts on a few things:
"Oh my God. Most of you guys know that I work for a commercial radio station. So, like it or not I am exposed to all of the "hip-hop" that is currently dominating the airwaves. Now, normally I just sit back and watch wackness take place; complaining about it gets old (especially since for some reason people who are not rich immediately accuse you of "hating" if you are critical of someone who is rich. After all, they are getting their money, how can you "hate"?). But not this time. I gotta speak.

Roger Troutman is the earliest memory I have of someone using the Vocoder voice modulator in order to get that effect that T-Pain always has on his voice. In the last couple of weeks, I have heard Lil Wayne, Snoop, Yung Berg, Beyonce, 50 Cent and G-Unit, and more all jumping on the voice modulation bandwagon. I'm calling it out - WORST. GIMMICK. EVER. It was wack when Cher brought it back, even wacker when Janet brought it back. What's happening now is ri-god-damn-diculous.


The fact that people have to reach so deep into the gimmick bag to try to make hits is pathetic. What's even more pathetic is this monkey-see monkey-do **** that causes everyone to jump on the same ******** gimmick at the same moment in history. If the vocoder in rap and R&B was so hot, why is it just now, 30 years after Zapp and Roger, that people are deciding at the same time that it's the ****? It's simple, mutha****as are having such a hard time staying relevant that once one artist finds a gimmick that works, all the other guys who don't wanna be left behind jump on the **** too.


It reminds me of when everyone was doing the Das Efx "miggity-diggity" style. Everyone bit that ****, myself included. My excuse is that I was a just-getting-started high school student trying to rap.

What is these people's excuse?

I read an article in this week's Improper Bostonian proclaiming that the biggest problem in today's hip-hop music and music in general is the blatant lack of creativity. They couldn't be more right. Just as I've written this blog, I've heard four consecutive songs at the station where I work that all used the Vocoder gimmick. It's so corny that it's laughable. It's so crazy to me that in this day and age the music consumer still falls for the same hook and ladder every time. Or maybe it's because every year there is a new batch of 16 year old girls that think juvenile 30 year olds are hot. I dunno. Either way, we are in a dark, dark, dark, dark, dark, dark era in music.


I'm about to tour Brazil, where people are really anxious to see me perform, and have been bumpin my music for a while. There's no vocoder, no flashy jewelry, no thug posing, no half-naked hoes letting me pour champagne on them, yet somehow what I do is appreciated there and in many other parts of the world simply for what I like to think it is - good music. Many of the artists I respect and work with can say the same thing, and will probably also tell you that people in the States are more sheltered than we are willing to admit about the music we listen to, food we eat, information we absorb, etc.


Gimmicks come and go in music, especially rap. There was that moment when everyone was doing double-time raps, and now there is the post-industry collapse loverboy thug (which I ain't totally mad at - at least they put the guns down). This voice modulation gimmick is so dominant in commercial music though, that it is making the entire current batch of pop professionals look like some serious hacks. I just wanna hear one of these guys say "hey I just did it because everyone else was, I don't really give a **** whether it's good or not".


C'mon Fiddy, step up!

Anyway, I gave up on a massive hip-hop fan revolt against wackness a long time ago. It's not happening. People take what's handed to them because that's what's easiest. So we know who is gonna be in control of the ears of young America for the foreseeable future...

I mean, if there is anyone who thinks this vocoder **** is anything short of pitiful, please, by all means step in and speak your mind. I never think that my opinion is the only one that matters, and I will eat my hat if you can convince me that this is not the WORST. GIMMICK. EVER!!

Peace and Guidance

A to the MF K

R.I.P.
Camu Tao - An artist with actual talent and creativity!

PS - I am not discrediting anyone's talents or abilities, just naming some people who used this tired gimmick recently. Just facts."

Eh, while there does seem to be a lot of people jacking that style, there are some artists that have used it to good effect.

[Cmill216]

Eh, while there does seem to be a lot of people jacking that style, there are some artists that have used it to good effect.

I want names.

[Godman]

I want names.

That's what I'm saying, it's WACK and shows no talent

[Crook]

I want names.
Generally speaking, T-Pain has used it where it's not intrusive. Even when Lil' Wayne uses it, it's so similar to his weird voice that it's not much of a distraction.

And recently, I know Kanye be using it. Ever hear his part on Jeezy's "Put On"? Absolutely merked that beat. :up:

[Godman]

Generally speaking, T-Pain has used it where it's not intrusive. Even when Lil' Wayne uses it, it's so similar to his weird voice that it's not much of a distraction.

And recently, I know Kanye be using it. Ever hear his part on Jeezy's "Put On"? Absolutely merked that beat. :up:

All the ones you've mentioned are terrible and Tpain has never been good...It's horrible

[Crook]

I think you've just about exaggerated everything with that post.

[Godman]

I think you've just about exaggerated everything with that post.

No I just like creative music and not gimmick music

[Lpilgrim]

i think the point is that the vocoder effect never should have been brought back in the 1st place. its been overused, played, tired and it needs to be put to sleep. it doesnt matter if its been used to good effect or not. it was corny then and corny now....especially in hip hop. because hip hop is supposed to be something that's diverse and creative and skillful (whether you rap, write, break, or spin). but i hear and see the same thing on commercial radio and TV, probably for the past 6 or 7 years. a buncha clones in the club rapping about hoes and 40s. im not even gonna call the people that use those effects or talk about that nonsense emcees or artists. im not even gonna call it hip hop cause its not. its pop music. and it makes me wanna vomit. its nothing like the hip hop i discovered the 1st time i went to an open mic or watched b-boys break. call me a snobbish backpacker or a hater if you want. it simply doesnt change the facts on the poor state of whats commercialized and tagged as "hip hop" these days.

[Cmill216]

Generally speaking, T-Pain has used it where it's not intrusive. Even when Lil' Wayne uses it, it's so similar to his weird voice that it's not much of a distraction.

And recently, I know Kanye be using it. Ever hear his part on Jeezy's "Put On"? Absolutely merked that beat. :up:

....Oh, Crook......

......they got you too? :(

[Omega Wizard]

Love me some Grieves, Mac Lethal, Brother Ali, Sage Francis, and Aesop Rock.

[theShape]

So who else is disappointed by The Carter III?

[Cmill216]

So who else hasn't listened to The Carter III?

*raises hand*

[theShape]

*raises hand*

Seriously. I usually love most of the stuff Weezy puts out, but this album was all over the place. It feels more like a ****ty mixtape than the epic album it's supposed to be. Only things I've gotten into are Mr. Carter and the Lollipop Remix. Kanye's part is sick.

[Cmill216]

My opinion of Lil Weezy F Baby Best Rapper Alive Lollipop Guy Poppin' Bottles With Baby hasn't changed:

I respect his work ethic greatly. No one's working as hard as this guy right now. But that doesn't excuse the fact that his skills as an emcee redefine the term "overrated". He's not a visionary, he's moderately clever, and he's not profound. He's the greatest hype artist of our time, and somehow someway, he's brainwashed millions into thinking he's this great lyrical giant.

In the words of many a great men...... n***a please. :o

[Aesop Rocks]

"And, I will remember your name and face
On the day you are judged by the fun house cast
And, I will rejoice in your fall from grace
With a cane to the sky like,
'None shall pass'" -- Aesop Rock "None Shall Pass".

[Omega Wizard]

Figures youd be in here Corey :o

Anyway, I went decided to get the album to listen to his stuff, I quite like it.

Also, Ushers new album is good for what it is :up:

[Aesop Rocks]

"She said it took her all her life
Shes standing looking at me like
She caught a glimpse of something
Nah, I'm not ya paradise girl".-- Grieves "Scar Gardens".

[Omega Wizard]

I ate your soul.

:o

[Aesop Rocks]

Now, I eat choo up, go hide for i eat to much.

[Peter_Porker]

true rap is dead....todays rap is too dancy/pop.

[Omega Wizard]

true rap is dead....todays rap is too dancy/pop.
Never listen to the Underground stuff?

Try some Grieves, Aesop Rock, Brother Ali, or Sage Francis.

[Crook]

....Oh, Crook......

......they got you too? :(

You know, that's funny. I've been dogging Wayne for the past 2 years, but now I'm actually getting into him. :funny:

I haven't listened to his album yet, but I gotta admit he's killing it on the singles front. The hundred thousand "A Millie" remixes itself should say something about how many are flocking to him. Something about that beat just brings the monster outta everyone. :eek:

[knowsbleed]

My opinion of Lil Weezy F Baby Best Rapper Alive Lollipop Guy Poppin' Bottles With Baby hasn't changed:

I respect his work ethic greatly. No one's working as hard as this guy right now. But that doesn't excuse the fact that his skills as an emcee redefine the term "overrated". He's not a visionary, he's moderately clever, and he's not profound. He's the greatest hype artist of our time, and somehow someway, he's brainwashed millions into thinking he's this great lyrical giant.

In the words of many a great men...... n***a please. :o

ditto. Crook's shook.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Lil Wayne :down

Lyrically whack.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

true rap is dead....todays rap is too dancy/pop.

J-Live, Edan, Percy P, Lupe Fiasco, Mr. Lif just to name a few still killin. :up:

[Cmill216]

Decided to spice things up a bit, so let's have a discussion:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9804/kanyewestcollegedropoutpl9.jpg VS. http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3196/lateregistrationcdcoverol0.jpg VS. http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9605/graduation28album29ws1.jpg

[Omega Wizard]

Graduation for casual music, Late Registration for partys, a Dropout for actual rap.

[RockSP]

Three okay albums from an overhyped "emcee".

[Godman]

So who else is disappointed by The Carter III?

It was never appointed to be dissapointing...sorry

I listen to the likes of Lupe, Rakim, Common, Lauryn Hill, Joe Budden, Saigon, etc...

...so no Wayne...nothing disappointing...more like expected

[Crook]

Is anyone else following the Ice-T/Soulja Boy aka Good/Bad music feud? It's pretty funny, but at the core of their insults lies a discussion that's been prevalent within the last few years:

Ice T's insult to Soulja Boy
ZHCN2bHp_7k

Soulja Boy's response
qr8B2dnIvR4

Ice T responds again
u7FhIUuo6tE


So what does everyone think?

[Eddie Brock]

Is anyone else following the Ice-T/Soulja Boy aka Good/Bad music feud? It's pretty funny, but at the core of their insults lies a discussion that's been prevalent within the last few years:

Ice T's insult to Soulja Boy
ZHCN2bHp_7k

Soulja Boy's response
qr8B2dnIvR4

Ice T responds again
u7FhIUuo6tE


So what does everyone think?
I stopped watching the 'Soulja Boy' response after the first minute. Their rebuttal is that he's old and born in Jersey? So intelligent. :whatever:

[Omega Wizard]

Dat ***** aint got nothing on T

[Colossal Spoons]

I thought their feud was a joke when my boy told me about it this weekend :dry:

[Crook]

I stopped watching the 'Soulja Boy' response after the first minute. Their rebuttal is that he's old and born in Jersey? So intelligent. :whatever:
I thought that's all he would say too, but he did make some very valid points at the latter half of the vid. As much as I hate what he stands for in Hip Hop, he did make a viable argument.

[Lpilgrim]

any beatsmiths up in here?

[Godman]

I thought that's all he would say too, but he did make some very valid points at the latter half of the vid. As much as I hate what he stands for in Hip Hop, he did make a viable argument.

but then Ice T came right back and fathered the ****er

[Thundercat]

2 of my favorite albums right now

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa236/Garland_Greene/brother-ali.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa236/Garland_Greene/lemons_standard_ocard_m.jpg

[RockSP]

but then Ice T came right back and fathered the ****er

Ice-T really doesn't have any room to talk.

[Omega Wizard]

I love this album :o
http://madnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/usher-here-i-stand.jpg
Does that make me gay?

[RockSP]

I love this album :o
Does that make me gay?

No it just means you like a dude who can't sing. :o Also, this is a hip-hop thread...

[Omega Wizard]

No it just means you like a dude who can't sing. :o Also, this is a hip-hop thread...
Its the rap thread, were both wrong. lol

And he has abs. :o

[RockSP]

Its the rap thread, were both wrong. lol

Rap is a part of hip-hop...obviously. :dry::cmad::cmad::cmad:

And he has abs. :o

Okay, that makes you gay. :o

[Omega Wizard]

Rap is a part of hip-hop...obviously. :dry::cmad::cmad:

Two completely different things :o



Okay, that makes you gay. :oLOOK AT THEM! :cmad:
http://img.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/specials/sma06/blog/061113/usher_400.jpg

[RockSP]

Two completely different things :o


That is funny. Especially if you really believe it. :o

And enough with the Usher pics, Gangstalicious.:csad:

[Omega Wizard]

Tom: We always use our middle names as passwords, so try Lancaster.
A Pimp Named Slickback's Computer chick: I got in, the password was Usher.

[Warhammer]

Is anyone else following the Ice-T/Soulja Boy aka Good/Bad music feud? It's pretty funny, but at the core of their insults lies a discussion that's been prevalent within the last few years:

Ice T's insult to Soulja Boy
ZHCN2bHp_7k

Soulja Boy's response
qr8B2dnIvR4

Ice T responds again
u7FhIUuo6tE


So what does everyone think?

It's conflicted.

I can see two arguments coming out of Ice-T starting this. Either he should have let a younger person say those things and stand up to Soulja Boy, or perhaps he was the right one to stand up to Soulja Boy due to his caliber in Hip-Hop. Even though some things is immature, maybe this thing needed to happen. However, I am sure that Ice-T isn't the only one to disapprove of Soulja Boy (etc.), but others damn sure don't want to be in any beef, whatsoever with anybody. Was ICe-T wrong/immature for calling Soulja Boy out?

Soulja Boy made some good points, and regardless, I do have sympathy for all who come from having nothing to becoming wealthy. However, maybe some who are on the street and struggling for that money are truly working hard for it, and are gifted poets, unlike Soulja Boy. At the end, can you say that you are glad Soulja Boy came from nothing to wealthy with that horrible dance and a song that (probably) single-handedly killed Hip-Hop, or can you say that you can't believe that Soulja Boy became so popular and rich from that, when people who are truly great in the craft of Hip-Hop are still in the shadows? That is where I am conflicted, and all I have to say about that is that I am glad I am not in that sort of position, where I was either the horrible rapper making money from being poor, or being the good rapper that nobody has ever heard of.

However, if I had to choose a side, I'd have to side with Ice-T. Soulja Boy said that Ice-T should release an album and do something about it, but the truth is, he really is what Soulja Boy called him: "an old ass n****." How effective what he be nowadays having a new album? How can someone back in his day successful compete with the new rappers of today, and the new trends, etc. I guess at the end, somebody was going to call Soulja Boy out directly; who better than Ice-T, i guess. I didn't just jump on the anti-Soulja Boy bandwagon, as I've disliked him since he came out.

[p4poetic]

It's conflicted.

I can see two arguments coming out of Ice-T starting this. Either he should have let a younger person say those things and stand up to Soulja Boy, or perhaps he was the right one to stand up to Soulja Boy due to his caliber in Hip-Hop. Even though some things is immature, maybe this thing needed to happen. However, I am sure that Ice-T isn't the only one to disapprove of Soulja Boy (etc.), but others damn sure don't want to be in any beef, whatsoever with anybody. Was ICe-T wrong/immature for calling Soulja Boy out?

Soulja Boy made some good points, and regardless, I do have sympathy for all who come from having nothing to becoming wealthy. However, maybe some who are on the street and struggling for that money are truly working hard for it, and are gifted poets, unlike Soulja Boy. At the end, can you say that you are glad Soulja Boy came from nothing to wealthy with that horrible dance and a song that (probably) single-handedly killed Hip-Hop, or can you say that you can't believe that Soulja Boy became so popular and rich from that, when people who are truly great in the craft of Hip-Hop are still in the shadows? That is where I am conflicted, and all I have to say about that is that I am glad I am not in that sort of position, where I was either the horrible rapper making money from being poor, or being the good rapper that nobody has ever heard of.

However, if I had to choose a side, I'd have to side with Ice-T. Soulja Boy said that Ice-T should release an album and do something about it, but the truth is, he really is what Soulja Boy called him: "an old ass n****." How effective what he be nowadays having a new album? How can someone back in his day successful compete with the new rappers of today, and the new trends, etc. I guess at the end, somebody was going to call Soulja Boy out directly; who better than Ice-T, i guess. I didn't just jump on the anti-Soulja Boy bandwagon, as I've disliked him since he came out.

I side with Ice-T on this.

Soulja Boy referring to himself as doing something positive made me choke on my own saliva. Little black girls listening to lyrics like "superman that ho" (what that means is probably too graphic to post here, and hell I'm still not exactly sure what it is my damn self) is supposed to be positive? :huh:

He got wealthy off of a piss poor song, furthering the stereotype that people have about hip hop; that is all, IMO. That's why he's the scapegoat, that's why he's the face of every example as something bad in reference to the music industry.

[Omega Wizard]

Anyone here heard this song?
3f_rWDU_iG4
Its tight :o

[Zero_Vault]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B1iPUp1NeI&NR=1

Jay-Z over a Korean Beat.

Lmfao.

[Zero_Vault]

Another one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEpckP0PabQ&feature=related

Common over a K-Beat.
Hip hop lives in Asia!!! BWHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAa!!

[Zero_Vault]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoL7V25LLlE&feature=user

Nas over another Korean Beat. Jesus.

[Zero_Vault]

Mos Def over a Korean Beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf8qEggg1VE&feature=related

It just don't stop.

[Zero_Vault]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fcIsyZqm7E&feature=user

Jay-Z & NAS

[Zero_Vault]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdmbZ2nKUiQ&feature=user

Nas - Stillmatic

[knowsbleed]

Poor Soulja Boy.



No, "real talk", I have no sympathy for that kid. He can do what Ice T told him to do in the first place.

and kudos to Ice T Jr :up:

[Firm18]

Jesus, I've heard some on Soulja Boy music and it's garbage...and what wrong with Kanye saying that Soulja is HipHop? I mean Kanye doesn't even wright his lyrics...so no rep. for him here...

But Soulja...people like him are just destroying music I mean once to be a rapper you had to have talent. lyrics etc. and he doesn't have nothing...I mean "Soulja Boy up in this oh, watch me cranck it watch me roll, what me cranck that Soulja Boy Then Superman that oh"....what the bloody hell is that suppose to be?! Or screaming threw the whole track "Arrrrgghhh...."....please give me a break....this is just simply wack!

[RockSP]

I mean once to be a rapper you had to have talent. lyrics etc.

In Fantasy Land, maybe. There has always been wack rappers.

[Cmill216]

Jesus, I've heard some on Soulja Boy music and it's garbage...and what wrong with Kanye saying that Soulja is HipHop?

'Ye called T-Pain a genius.

......Yeah, 'Ye. Okay. :rolleyes:

[GeoffTheArtist]

Feelin' a little sheepish here...I finally bought Rising Down. I give it 4.5/5 stars.

[Colossal Spoons]

'Ye called T-Pain a genius.

......Yeah, 'Ye. Okay. :rolleyes:

He is a hook genius. He's the new Nate Dogg :o

[KenK]

He is a hook genius. He's the new Nate Dogg :o

Ain't no lie!!

[Incrediblejeff]

He is a hook genius. He's the new Nate Dogg :o


I Laughed

[RockSP]

Hmmm...they both have zero singing ability, so I guess the comparison holds.

[p4poetic]

true rap is dead....todays rap is too dancy/pop.

Hip Hop started out as dance-ish. Rapper's Delight?

[Cmill216]

He is a hook genius.

A hook genius? :lmao:

[KenK]

Hip Hop started out as dance-ish. Rapper's Delight?

Rapper's Delight was one of the first songs to make the mainstream aware of hip-hop, but it didn't necessarily start with it.

[Lpilgrim]

man.....i've lost alot of respect for nas after that oochie wally garbage.

[Lpilgrim]

does anybody actually emcee, break, dj, or produce in here?

[The Kingpin]

I write, break, and DJ a little. don't rap though.

new nas album = best in a while

[Attila]

I love all types of music... and that includes CERTAIN rap... though i hate soulja boy and all that hip hop kind of music on the radio....

some of my favs, and favorite songs of theirs

1 - Eminem - No apologies, The Sauce, Quitter, Nail in the coffin, Whatever you say i am, soldier, Lose yourself, we as americans, love you more, criminal, actually i could go on and on and on
2 - 2pac - Hit em up, last mother****er breathin, to live and die in LA, changes, wonder why they call you *****, and i could go on and on with tupac as well

the rest

Aztek
Lil Rob
Twin Barretas
Ice cube
SPM
Fort Minor

others have some here and there that i like but these guys are pretty consistant to me...

[Colossal Spoons]

A hook genius? :lmao:

Haha, it's true.

[Godman]

He is a hook genius. He's the new Nate Dogg :o

Nate Dogg uses his own voice and not a tired gimmick, don't compare him to theses wack new age pop cats

[RockSP]

Nate Dogg uses his own voice and not a tired gimmick,

But he can't sing.

[SouLeSS]

does anybody actually emcee, break, dj, or produce in here?


www.myspace.com/localbarsuperstars (http://www.myspace.com/localbarsuperstars)

That's my rap group. I emcee and produce most of the beats, if you can call it that.

[zeptron]

Poor Soulja Boy.



No, "real talk", I have no sympathy for that kid. He can do what Ice T told him to do in the first place.

and kudos to Ice T Jr :up:

Indeed. Soulja Boy is a disgusting 17 year old boy. He talks about cumming on a woman's back("Superman That Ho!") How would Ice T. ruin Soulja Boy's career? He's going to be gone soon and we'll have another idiot yelling out random things and snapping his fingers.

[SouLeSS]

I did that when I was 17ish and would brag about it to my buddies. He's just a bit of a genius cause he made that catchyass song and is now decently rich off it. He doesn't need another album or hit or anything, as he's got enough money to live off for the rest of his life, as long as he uses it smart. Has something like 9million off his music.

[William_C]

Did any one hear that new release from Stones Throw? Its Doom and Ghost I think on a song called Sniperlite?

[KenK]

man.....i've lost alot of respect for nas after that oochie wally garbage.

Dude, that was like ten years ago! He's since been putting out some of his best work.

[William_C]

GZA released a song called Paper Plates. See if you see if who he's talking about.

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I'm not sure if this Ghost/Dilla is new or not, because I think I've heard it somewhere. But Murdergoons is what it's called

RgVoymxNYIg

And Madvillain released a big ol box set of goodies -

http://www.stonesthrow.com/uploads/news/8ac7ec396dc6cfe975425fd715dcc989.jpg
CD Madvillainy “2” The Madlib Remix. 25 tracks. Read more below.
7-INCH “One Beer (Drunk Version)” Madlib's original 2004 version, lost until recently on the floor of his Bomb Shelter studio. If you saw the studio you'd understand.
CASSETTE The Madvillainy Demo Tape. 12 tracks, 36 minutes. This is the first and only official release of the infamous Madvillain demo that “leaked into cyberspace,” while the album was still in progress, as DOOM alludes to in the lyrics of “Rhinestone Cowboy.”
T-SHIRT Nominated. Best Rolled L's. Madvillain shirt.
COMIC BOOK Meanwhile... the continuation of the All Caps video, included with the CD.
THE BOX 12x13x3 inches. Wrapped in silver like a mask.

The price for it at stonesthrow.com is $125 plus shipping. And ships out in September. There's more info and pictures here http://www.stonesthrow.com/news/madvillain-box

[Tigerking]

Apperantly detox is comin out November/December of this year but then again how many times have we heard that...

[Cmill216]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/341/479907bd1.jpg

Has anyone else listened to the original unreleased Clipse album Exclusive Audio Footage?

Because if you haven't, you need to locate and download that ish RIGHT NOW. It's by far their rawest, most conceptual material to date, and features some of Pharrell and Chad's earliest and grimiest work. This is quickly becoming one of my favorite records.

[terry78]

I didn't even know GZA had a new one out, I'm outta the loop, man. I have been listening to Nas, though.

[Tigerking]

His last album was ok, I liked Hip Hop Is Dead more though. Its content was a LOT better than the Carter III's though.

[Silk Spectre]

Rap died in the 90's when crap like Puff Daddy and Master P took over. There are very few rappers with any kind of a message. It's all become one cliche after another. It's always about some girls ass, champagne, rims, money, and grills.

[terry78]

Rap died in the 90's when crap like Puff Daddy and Master P took over. There are very few rappers with any kind of a message. It's all become one cliche after another. It's always about some girls ass, champagne, rims, money, and grills.

The ones we're discussing right now are not what you're using as examples.

[Tigerking]

Listen to some Lupe Fiasco, Jurassic 5, Ice Cube (Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It was a hot track), or some Nas. Hip hop is NOT dead but its just in critical condition.

[Silk Spectre]

Listen to some Lupe Fiasco, Jurassic 5, Ice Cube (Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It was a hot track), or some Nas. Hip hop is NOT dead but its just in critical condition.

I do like Lupe Fiasco, Outkast, Common, and Kanye West. They all seem to be trying to do something different.

[Dark Victory]

I only like Immortal Technique, Nas, and a few others. 95% of rap today is a joke.

[terry78]

I only like Immortal Technique, Nas, and a few others. 95% of rap today is a joke.

What you hear on the radio and see on tv is not 95% of rap. It's the latter half of that, it's just played over and over. I want all of you to do some homework tonight. Go to this link www.beatbasement.com and listen to the streamed nonstop songs.

[Tigerking]

Stuff on the radio is NOT rap, that is cheap, bubblegum hip hop. I got a question though, has the West Coast fallen off?

[RockSP]

Stuff on the radio is NOT rap,

Uh, yes it is. Just because it sucks doesn't mean it's not rap.

[Asteroid-Man]

I'm making a CD of Good Rap and Hiphop for a few people who have only been exposed to Mainstream/commercial crap.

So far I've got:

Tupac
Changes

Mos Def/Black Star
Katrina Klap
Definition
Close Edge
New World Water
Fear Not of Men

Immortal Technique
Dance with the devil
Harlem Streets
The Point of No Return
Golpe de estado
Revolutionary
The Poverty of Philosophy

Notorious BIG
Beef
1970 Something

Eminem
The Most Shady

Common
I used to love H.E.R.
The Corner

Coolio
Gangsta's Paradise

Nas
Hip Hop Is Dead

The Roots
You Got Me
Why (What's going on?)

The Fugees
Ready or Not

You guys got any suggestions?

[Cmill216]

I had to make a similar mix. Some of the stuff I used:

Anything Lupe Fiasco, Common, The Roots, OutKast
Atmosphere - "The Woman With The Tattooed Hands"
Eminem - "Stan" and "Sing For The Moment"
The Fugees - "Ready Or Not"
MF Doom - "Doomsday"
The Goats - "Typical American"
Kanye West - "Crack Music"
Ludacris - "Hoes In My Room"
Styles of Beyond - "Spies Like Us"

[Asteroid-Man]

But I mean, the fugees are more R&B than Rap or Hip Hop

[Cmill216]

But I mean, the fugees are more R&B than Rap or Hip Hop

Not really. "Ready or Not" is pure hip hop.

[Asteroid-Man]

That's true. I'mma add that one too.

[Cmill216]

The Roots' Game Theory is a great album to check out if you're trying to get a rock fan to give hip hop a spin.

[Asteroid-Man]

Actually one of 'em is a country fan who used to like hip hop way back when.

[Cmill216]

Give them this and tell them to love it.

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[Asteroid-Man]

Surprisingly, I don't like it. I usually love the roots. :csad: I think I got my track list.

[Cmill216]

I hate your existence. :cmad:

[Asteroid-Man]

:( *gives cmill a Black Star CD*

[Cmill216]

Okay, you can come back inside. :heart:

[Asteroid-Man]

Ok, here's the full track listing:

1. Fear Not of Men - Mos Def
2. Golpe de Estado - Immortal Technique
3. Why - The Roots
4. Revolutionary - Immortal Technique
5. Beef - Notorious B.I.G. (Feat. Mobb Deep & Eminem)
6. Hip Hop is Dead - Nas
7. Harlem Streets - Immortal Technique
8. The Corner (Remix) - Common (Feat. Scarface & Mos Def)
9. The Most Shady - Notorious B.I.G. (Feat. Eminem, Diddy, Obbie Trice)
10. Definition - Black Star (Mos Def & Talib Kweli)
11. The Point of No Return - Immortal Technique
12. I Used to Love H.E.R. - Common
13. Changes - Tupac
14. New World Water - Mos Def
15. 1970 Somethin' - Notorious B.I.G. (Feat. The Game & Faith Evans)
16. The Poverty of Philosophy - Immortal Technique
17. Ready or Not - The Fugees
18. Katrina Klap - Mos Def
19. You Got Me - The Roots
20. Dance With the Devil - Immortal Technique (Feat. DJ Black Panther)
21. Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio
22. Close Edge - Mos Def

[RockSP]

I do like Lupe Fiasco, Outkast, Common, and Kanye West. They all seem to be trying to do something different.

They are all talented but "different"? They are not doing anything that hasn't been done before. Just because commercial rap has been garbage for at least a decade doesn't mean there wasn't good stuff before that time or during that time.

[Asteroid-Man]

I think he means by their goals in a new way of rap and hip hop not that they are the only ones different from the commercial/mainstream rap and hip hop.

[RockSP]

I think he means by their goals in a new way of rap and hip hop

:huh: "New way of rap"? Not really.

And Kanye is as commercial as it gets.

[Cmill216]

Ok, here's the full track listing:

1. Fear Not of Men - Mos Def
2. Golpe de Estado - Immortal Technique
3. Why - The Roots
4. Revolutionary - Immortal Technique
5. Beef - Notorious B.I.G. (Feat. Mobb Deep & Eminem)
6. Hip Hop is Dead - Nas
7. Harlem Streets - Immortal Technique
8. The Corner (Remix) - Common (Feat. Scarface & Mos Def)
9. The Most Shady - Notorious B.I.G. (Feat. Eminem, Diddy, Obbie Trice)
10. Definition - Black Star (Mos Def & Talib Kweli)
11. The Point of No Return - Immortal Technique
12. I Used to Love H.E.R. - Common
13. Changes - Tupac
14. New World Water - Mos Def
15. 1970 Somethin' - Notorious B.I.G. (Feat. The Game & Faith Evans)
16. The Poverty of Philosophy - Immortal Technique
17. Ready or Not - The Fugees
18. Katrina Klap - Mos Def
19. You Got Me - The Roots
20. Dance With the Devil - Immortal Technique (Feat. DJ Black Panther)
21. Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio
22. Close Edge - Coolio

No Lupe, no "Stan", and two Coolio tracks to end this tape = meteoric fail :boba:

[Tigerking]

:huh: "New way of rap"? Not really.

And Kanye is as commercial as it gets.

New way probably meaing not constant raps about cash and stuff. Stuff thats not generic rap, and Kanye might be commerical but his music is not commercialized

[RockSP]

Kanye might be commerical but his music is not commercialized

:huh::huh::huh:

Uh...we're gonna just have to disagree on that one.

[RockSP]

Common Sense feat. Pharell, "Announcement":

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[Asteroid-Man]

No Lupe, no "Stan", and two Coolio tracks to end this tape = meteoric fail :boba:
Oh no it's only one track. The other one was Mos Def. And seriously? Lupe, Outcast and Kanye? You have no credibility left whatsoever. :whatever:

[Cmill216]

And seriously? Lupe, Outcast and Kanye? You have no credibility left whatsoever. :whatever:

Please tell me this is some bizarre space sarcasm.

[SouLeSS]

So my group released a mixtape a few weeks back. download link is here (http://rapidshare.com/files/137898373/The_Slaughter_Mixtape.zip) or at our myspace, www.myspace.com/localbarsuperstars

Mixing / Production on it isn't the best, but whatev. C/C appreciated.

[Crook]

They are all talented but "different"? They are not doing anything that hasn't been done before. Just because commercial rap has been garbage for at least a decade doesn't mean there wasn't good stuff before that time or during that time.
So I take it you can compare Kanye's music (especially his last 2 albums) with previous rappers?

:huh:

New way probably meaing not constant raps about cash and stuff. Stuff thats not generic rap, and Kanye might be commerical but his music is not commercialized
Depends on what you define as commercialized. I like to think of Kanye as mainstream-friendly, without having to sacrifice his musical merits. He has been constantly consistent all throughout the years, despite his skyrocketing fame with each consequent album. Usually this is the time where you see a notable change in the lyrics and raps, but not the case with him.

[Cmill216]

Usually this is the time where you see a notable change in the lyrics and raps, but not the case with him.

I don't know, though.

Lyrically, at least, Graduation was considerably a step down from Dropout and Registration.

[AndThePickles]

Oh no it's only one track. The other one was Mos Def. And seriously? Lupe, Outcast and Kanye? You have no credibility left whatsoever. :whatever:

Not trying to interrupt the argument, but what don't you like about Lupe and Outkast? :csad:

[Crook]

I don't know, though.

Lyrically, at least, Graduation was considerably a step down from Dropout and Registration.
Content-wise, ok I can understand that claim. Regardless, I still wouldn't say Kanye has declined as an artist.

Speaking of consistency, I'm feelin' Game too. I always liked how he kept the west coast gangster image, but has a very old-school approach when putting out songs. His first 2 singles off the latest album were surprisingly void of any overt thuggish raps. Shame he's retiring. I saw a vid of him explaining that the rap game isn't what it was about when it was created, so he's leaving it. He even started crying cause he saw the love for the music gone. :(

On that note, anyone hear the remix someone made of "My Life", but this time with Eminem, Game, and 2Pac? Brilliant mix:

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[Tigerking]

I heard he might make another album-The D.O.C (Dairy of Compton)-if he gets help from like Dr Dre, MC Ren, King Tee, DJ Yella, Ice Cube, and DJ Quik.

[Fanticon]

So my group released a mixtape a few weeks back. download link is here (http://rapidshare.com/files/137898373/The_Slaughter_Mixtape.zip) or at our myspace, www.myspace.com/localbarsuperstars (http://www.myspace.com/localbarsuperstars)

Mixing / Production on it isn't the best, but whatev. C/C appreciated.

Is that supposed to be a joke? Keep practicing...or play an instrument. Mixing and production was the least of the problems on there...no props for The Joker quotes either...from one SHH member to another.

[Fanticon]

New favorite picks for the month...
Gza - Pro Tools
Elzhi (Slum Village) - The Preface
Vordul Mega (Cannibal Ox) - Megagraphitti
Opio (Hieroglyphics, Souls of Mischief) - Vulture's Wisdom
People Under the Stairs - The OM Years ("Best of" 2disc set)

[Heretic]

I really like a lot of classic rap...even though rap as a genre tends to spit on whatever isnt currently popular, so perhaps there is no such thing as "classic" rap.

I've never understood the slash and burn mentality. The rap fans I know will spend months talking about how one rapper is the greatest of all time, and then on a dime decide that he is whack and not worth listening to and some new guy is the greatest of all time. I do know some people in a rap subculture that teaches a love for stuff like Grandmaster Flash or Public Enemy, but walk up to the next ten rap fans you meet and ask what they think of the incredible work that laid the foundations for the garbage that currently is out there and the vast majority will laugh at the mere notion of listening to something from back in the day. I think rappers are exempt from that if you get shot and die.

[RockSP]

So I take it you can compare Kanye's music (especially his last 2 albums) with previous rappers?

:huh:

I wouldn't say "compare" since Kanye isn't on the level of a lot of other "previous" rappers. Just cuz he's popular doesn't make him the greatest thing ever. I mean maybe for a teenager he is something new and different... but I'm far from a teenager. lol

[SouLeSS]

Is that supposed to be a joke? Keep practicing...or play an instrument. Mixing and production was the least of the problems on there...no props for The Joker quotes either...from one SHH member to another.

What's these so called problems you're comming across? I mean, if you can do better belly on up, but to just go "lol it's terrible!" without actually giving any reasons is beyond retarded.

[Fanticon]

its all about flow, transitions, and cadence. I don't rap...so I don't have to do you one better but what are some of your influences and why did you decide you wanted to get up and go "I wanna rap."? Because I didn't feel that...its like your emulating something you don't know much about. And I listened to the tracks on the page...if your gonna put yourself out there then don't get defensive over criticism...in any form. So if you thought i was just jumping on it to be funny and say it was bad...then fine...but maybe you've got the wrong people telling you "dude its dope!"

Heres your bio: "Did a few bands then we said f*** it, lets just get drunk and rap."

[SouLeSS]

I'm not defensive about it, I'm just saying, all you said was that it sucks and that was it. That's not c/c, that's someone being a jackass. I mean, obviously it isn't going to sound like gunit or kanye or weezy, dre, eminem, anything of that nature, cause that's not what we go for.

Keeps it underground, KMK anyone on Subnoize records, Psychopathic records, that kinda rap is essentially our biggest 'influence' and what not, but the bio is pretty much true. most of our recording is done when we're pretty wasted, as our most of our lyrics/ideas/so on and so forth, cause that's the way we want it. But ya know, we still get tons of people to come out when we do shows and show us mad love, and theres a good amount of people in the area that we don't know personally that have heard of us and think it's good ****. On the other hand, I've had plenty of people tell me it's terrible, that it sucks, and we sound like a buncha retards when we rap so I guess it's all just a matter of opinion.

But the bio is to the point. People don't need to know a whole life story of us, why we chose to rap, who we wantr to sound like and who our influences are. Our true influences are everything from 50's music to the music of this decade, and everything in between. From Guns'N'Roses to E-40, big band music to screamo, it's all influenced us. But it is true, me and the guy I rap with were just sitting in his garage one day getting wasted and he threw on some cd he had with a few beats that he used to test his cars system on and we just started kinda rapping to it and said "dude you know what, lets ****ing do this".

[Fanticon]

for the record i don't like kanye, g-unit, or weezy. Though Dre and eminem have had their impact on hip hop for quite some time so i don't front and was also once a fan. Its kind of gimmicky..."we're the drunk rappers" so...yeah...i guess i know what i'm getting...it sounds sloppy. Its cool your getting local acclaim, but if thats as far as its gonna go then I guess people are gonna do what makes them happy. Your doing whats fun to you....but as a hip hop head...the music itself was hard for me to hear...so i had to ask what your influences and reasoning for rap were...i got my answer and i understand. no hard feelings just opinions.

[Crook]

I wouldn't say "compare" since Kanye isn't on the level of a lot of other "previous" rappers. Just cuz he's popular doesn't make him the greatest thing ever. I mean maybe for a teenager he is something new and different... but I'm far from a teenager. lol
I was referring to your statement that Kanye's type of music has already been done before, and thus not different. So I asked you which rappers, before Kanye, had a musical style similar to him.

[RockSP]

I was referring to your statement that Kanye's type of music has already been done before, and thus not different. So I asked you which rappers, before Kanye, had a musical style similar to him.

What do you consider his "style"? He's just a mofo rapping--and not particularly well-- about different stuff. Women. His clothes. Jesus. How dope he is. Sometimes he'll say something humurous. He hasn't innovated any particular style.

[Crook]

So basically by that definition Kanye's music sounds like any rapper out there. Ok, gotcha.



















:funny:

[comicgirl]

Please......rap's not even pure or relevant anymore.................


You gotta dial back to Africa Bammbatta, Erik B and Rakim, NWA, Public Enemy, et al.....

[Tigerking]

What do you consider his "style"? He's just a mofo rapping--and not particularly well-- about different stuff. Women. His clothes. Jesus. How dope he is. Sometimes he'll say something humurous. He hasn't innovated any particular style.

By style he means gangster rap, alternetive rap, mafisio rap, pop rap, hip hop, etc

[RockSP]

So basically by that definition Kanye's music sounds like any rapper out there. Ok, gotcha

Naw he's a musical genius. He's revolutionized hip-hop.





















:funny:

[Crook]

You can't even back up a statement you've made. :funny:

[RockSP]

"Back it up' with what? How old are you? How long have you been listening to hip-hop? Like I said before, if you are a teenager then I can see how you might think he is great and "original" and different then any other rapper in history.

[RockSP]

By style he means gangster rap, alternetive rap, mafisio rap, pop rap, hip hop, etc

Most of those are just silly labels. "Mafioso rap"?:whatever:

[Crook]

"Back it up' with what?
Back it up with examples. If Kanye is so damn similar to everyone else, then feel free to list these rappers. It should not be hard.

How old are you? How long have you been listening to hip-hop? Like I said before, if you are a teenager then I can see how you might think he is great and "original" and different then any other rapper in history.
Really? That's what you get from my posts? Please state where I've stated "Kanye is the most original and different rapper in history". I'd love to see this mysterious post.

I've been listening to hip hop since I was a kid, so early 90s. I've grown up with the music. I'm not a newcomer in this genre. I can safely say that within THIS era/decade, Kanye is one of the few rappers that stand out for his music. Along with Eminem. They don't have to revolutionize anything to do this. Just different and having the ability to be in their own category.

[Fanticon]

Please......rap's not even pure or relevant anymore.................


You gotta dial back to Africa Bammbatta, Erik B and Rakim, NWA, Public Enemy, et al.....

Thats what I'm talking about! But there is stuff out there now that is relevant and people are still doing it, their just taking a backseat right now to all the garbage rap thats being passed off to the masses as hip hop. The sheeple will learn some day...hopefully.

[RockSP]

Back it up with examples. If Kanye is so damn similar to everyone else, then feel free to list these rappers. It should not be hard.

It's not. Kurious, Ahmad, Hieroglyphics, O.C., Kwest the Mad Ladd, Mountain Brothers, Kwame, Big Daddy Kane, Trends of Kulture, I could go on and on...

Really? That's what you get from my posts? Please state where I've stated "Kanye is the most original and different rapper in history". I'd love to see this mysterious post.

I'm not claiming you actually posted that but that seemed to be the gist of your argument. You seemed to think no one can be "compared" to Kanye.

I've been listening to hip hop since I was a kid, so early 90s. I've grown up with the music. I'm not a newcomer in this genre. I can safely say that within THIS era/decade, Kanye is one of the few rappers that stand out for his music. Along with Eminem. They don't have to revolutionize anything to do this. Just different and having the ability to be in their own category.

Well that goes back to an earlier statement of mine:

They are all talented but "different"? They are not doing anything that hasn't been done before. Just because commercial rap has been garbage for at least a decade doesn't mean there wasn't good stuff before that time or during that time.

By the low standards of today some might consider him great. But it's not like standards being low is a good thing. And different doesn't automatically equal good.

[Tigerking]

Most of those are just silly labels. "Mafioso rap"?:whatever:

How the hell are they silly labels? Different genres and styles of rap have different lyrics and production. Also, Mafioso rap is a genre of rap I garuntee you that.

[Cmill216]

Most of those are just silly labels. "Mafioso rap"?:whatever:

Yes. Mafioso rap.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6279/jayzreasonabledoubtdz0.jpg

Please......rap's not even pure or relevant anymore.................


You gotta dial back to Africa Bammbatta, Erik B and Rakim, NWA, Public Enemy, et al.....

:dry:

Oh, Christ of Nazareth. You DON'T have to dial back to friggin' Afrika Bambaataa to find "pure" rap.

[Manic]

What's all this talk about how great Kanye West is or isn't? Sure, his albums sell better with each new release, but his lyrical content peaked at College Dropout. The guy started off pointing out the insecurities of people who feel the need to rap about their worldly possessions all the time, then made the song "Good Life."

[Cmill216]

What's all this talk about how great Kanye West is or isn't? Sure, his albums sell better with each new release, but his lyrical content peaked at College Dropout. The guy started off pointing out the insecurities of people who feel the need to rap about their worldly possessions all the time, then made the song "Good Life."

^ Truth.

[Tigerking]

Eventaully most rappers lose their creativity and just make better selling singles for the $$$.

[Cmill216]

But Kanye is too talented, IMO, to do half the ish he's been doing recently.

And as soon as I heard him call T-Pain a genius at the BET Awards, I lost all hope for the man.

[Tigerking]

He is a hook genius

[Cmill216]

:rolleyes:

[Manic]

More like a hook genie. He just pops out, instantly grants you a hook, and disappears in a cloud of overly digitized smoke.

[Tigerking]

He is the new Nate Dogg (I think this has already been brought up in this thread)

[Manic]

But I can understand what Nate Dogg is singing all of the time.

[Cmill216]

Nate had some soul to him. This joker is just that: a joke.

A gimmicky hack who represents everything that is wrong with hip hop today.

[Manic]

A poor man's Zapp, but without the actual vocal talent behind his electro-voice.

[Cmill216]

Since we're on the subject:

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