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The Ether
11-09-2005, 03:27 PM
I want Canibus to collab with DJ Stoupes again. Rip the Jacker is a classic without a doubt:)
Bis recently announced Rip The Jacker Volume 2 with Stoupe, as well.
The Ether
11-09-2005, 03:54 PM
you just made my life even better:up:.
know when he's gonna release it?
He hasnt said all he has said is that Hip Hop for Sale is coming out Nov 22, which is less than 2 weeks. On that day he is also releasing Mic Club Master Vol. 1 a mixtape. He has also announce a sequel to his 4th album Mic Club: The Curriculum and another Rip The jacker album with stoupe. Then a week ago he announced Ceasar Germainicus which comes out spring 2006. I dont know if Ceasar Germainicus is micclub or RTJ or an entirely different album.
If anyones counting thats 3 albums, a 22 track mixtape, a DVD, all in about 5 months.
The Ether
11-09-2005, 04:09 PM
:confused: Canibus got a lot of work to do. I don't think Hip Hop for Sale will be an album maybe a mixtape album though. Thing with most underground artists is that they have no promotion. It's so hard to even know if someone is going to release an album in a couple of weeks or so.
Hip Hop for Sale is an album, he said so last week in an interview. The first single is "its no other than."
The album is appealing to the mainstream, hes even dressed in G Unit gear. (no joke)
www.canibus.ws.
and if you go to hiphopgame.com and hit audio you can hear another song off the album, its pretty raw
http://www.hiphopgame.com/player.php?id=16
The Ether
11-09-2005, 04:33 PM
songs are good, I might cop this if I can find it.
The Ether
11-09-2005, 04:58 PM
It's impossible to find Mic Club, most of the stores I go would have either 2000 b.c. which is also a great album, but it had some fillers IMO, and Can-i-bus.
Canibus is re releasing Mic Club and the awful CTHS on Nov 22, Im going to pick up both definately I need a hard copy.
EDIT- actually they have already been released.
You can find them online, or just bootleg it, the album is incredible, one of my favorites (Mic Club)
The Ether
11-09-2005, 05:05 PM
I heard Liberal Arts feat. JMT. The beats are amazing, I love the guitar
Yea stoupe killed it.
You ever hear Dr. C PHD?
has some good disses to Eminem.
The Ether
11-09-2005, 08:44 PM
naw, haven't heard it.
What the hell is going on with the beef with these two anyways? Are they still beefing?
I still think they take some shots at each other.
But Im stil waiting for bis to release that rumored 11 minute long diss to him.
Bis just dropped a pretty clever rhyme, tell me if you get it:
I got hit with a mortar frag, they gave me a Lora-Tab.
The Ether
11-09-2005, 08:59 PM
i don't get it, what's a Lora-Tab?
Lora-Tabs are a non drowsy fast acting anti-histamine used for the relief of symptoms associated with perennial and seasonal allergic rhinitis (hayfever), such as sneezing, nasal discharge and itching, as well as itching and burning of the eyes. Lora-Tabs are also used for the relief of symptoms and signs of chronic urticaria (hives) and other allergic skin disorders, such as itching, redness and lumps.
Basically, they relieve you of little things like sneezing, etc.
And getting hit by a mortar frag kills the average man instantly.
So Bis is saying hes such a beast that he can get hit by a mortar frag and all he has to take is the Lora-Tab because its only a minor inconvience to him.
Thats the thing about Bis, there are more to his rhymes then what you hear.
Did you know that "No Return" from Rip The Jacker, is really about 9/11 told from a civilians POV, a soldiers POV, and a terrorists POV?
The Ether
11-09-2005, 09:06 PM
nice :up:
you learn something new everyday.
I had a feeling No Return had something to do with something big. didn't know what it was though. But now I know :)
Ahaha, yea first time I heard it I was like what is this wack ****, hes talking about aliens?
spider-jide
11-10-2005, 05:37 PM
All of you, go listen to, spit your game by biggie, twista and bone thugs.......thats some heat right there.
The Ether
11-10-2005, 07:51 PM
Heard it, it's amazing, Krayzie bone killed it
Super_Ludacris
11-11-2005, 06:09 PM
All of you, go listen to, spit your game by biggie, twista and bone thugs.......thats some heat right there.
****s weak, the orginal Notourious Thugs was better. This biggie duets album sounds ass
One of the best albums Ive ever heard is that relatively new Biggie Smalls over Frank Sinatra beats....
Pure fire
Super_Ludacris
11-11-2005, 09:12 PM
it's a mixtape blend
rap isnt real music just chaotic annoying sounds with whiny poser gangsters... the only real gangster is al capone and quite a few other from time period but platnium teeth and baggy pants dont mean ****.. 50 cent can suck it.. but busta rhymes is my boy dont get me wrong... but his music sucks ass too
rap isnt real music just chaotic annoying sounds with whiny poser gangsters... the only real gangster is al capone and quite a few other from time period but platnium teeth and baggy pants dont mean ****.. 50 cent can suck it.. but busta rhymes is my boy dont get me wrong... but his music sucks ass too
Of course it is.
:rolleyes:
Blade_fan1911
11-11-2005, 10:41 PM
rap isnt real music just chaotic annoying sounds with whiny poser gangsters... the only real gangster is al capone and quite a few other from time period but platnium teeth and baggy pants dont mean ****.. 50 cent can suck it.. but busta rhymes is my boy dont get me wrong... but his music sucks ass too
School iz cool, buddy:rolleyes:
nosebleed.
11-11-2005, 11:33 PM
A few samples of some nice tracks
Medina Green w/Mos Def Yo Yo Yo (http://www.turntablelab.com/real2/heavyweightcrate/medinagreen-yoyoyo.ram)
Big L
debuts freestyle (http://www.turntablelab.com/real2/heavyweightcrate/bigl-stretchdebut.ram) on Stretch Armstrong
back 2 back (http://www.turntablelab.com/real2/heavyweightcrate/bigl-back2back-95.ram) (Jay-Z 95)
back 2 back pt II (http://www.turntablelab.com/real2/heavyweightcrate/bigl-back2back-part2.ram) (feat Jay-Z when he rapped fast)
flamboyant pt II (http://www.turntablelab.com/real2/heavyweightcrate/bigl-flamboyantpt2-royalf.ram) (feat royal flush)
greenlantern530
11-11-2005, 11:37 PM
Hell yeah, I love Rap.
1. Tupac
2. 50 Cent
3. Jay-Z
4. Nas
5. Mobb Deep
6. Lloyd Banks
7. Young Buck
8. EMinem
9. Dr. Dre
10. Snoop Dogg
In No order.
The Kingpin
11-13-2005, 08:05 AM
big L rocked the mic like no other...I want to order The Big Picture soon.
In other news...these are the rumored 2006 albums
February 2006
Roots, The - Game Theory
Royce Da 5'9 - The 5th July: The Day After
Early 2006/Spring 2006
Canibus - Mic Club: Vol. II
Consequence - Don't Quit Your Day Job (G.O.O.D. Music debut)
DPG - (title TBA)
E-40 - My Ghetto Report
Eve - (title TBA)
Flavor Flav - (title TBA)
Game, The - (title TBA)
Ghostface & MF Doom - Ghostface Meets Metal Face
Jurassic 5 - (title TBA)
Masta Killah - East Coast Is In The House
Mobb Deep - (title TBA)
M.O.P. - Ghetto Warfare
N.O.R.E. - One Fan A Day
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx Pt. II
Raekwon & Ill Bill - Weed vs. Cocaine
Reflection Eternal (Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek) - (title TBA)
Shyne - Perils In The Name Of Po: The Album
Snoop Dogg - The Blue Carpet Treatment
Slick Rick - The Adventure Continues
Tash - Rap Life II: Expensive Habits
Summer 2006
Dr. Dre - Detox
2006 (no date set)
2Pac - (title TBA)
Alicia Keys - (title TBA)
Bishop Lamont - The Reformation
Blackstar - (title TBA)
D12 - (title TBA)
Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030 II
DJ Muggs & Inspektah Deck - Muggs Meets Deck: The Rebel & Assassin
Eminem - (title TBA)
Fugees, The - (title TBA)
G-Malone - The Beach Cruiser
Guru - Jazzmatazz Vol. 4: The Sun Always Rises
Ice Cube - (title TBA)
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Vol. 3
Jean Grae & 9th Wonder - The Phoenix
Kanye West - Graduation
Method Man - (title TBA)
Method Man & Redman - B.A.S.I.C. (Bricks And Staten Island Connected)
MF Doom - FM Mood
MF Doom/Viktor Vaughn - VV3
Poor Righteous Teachers - (title TBA)
Ras Kass - Underground Superhero
Shyheim - Featuring My ****in' Self
Spider Loc - The West Kept Secret
Wu-Tang Clan - (title TBA)
X-Ecutioners, The - (title TBA)
Winter 2006
Cee-Lo & Danger Mouse - Gnarles Barkely
Clipse, The - Hell Hath No Fury
Cypress Hill - Still Smokin'
Da Lench Mob - (title TBA)
GZA The Genius - The GZA Presents
Hi-Tek - Hi-Teknology Vol. 2
Kam - The Self
King T - (title TBA)
Lauryn Hill - Khulami Phase
Lord Jamar (of Brand Nubian) - The 5 Percent Album
Lox, The - Live, Suffer & Celebrate
Mike Jones - American Dreams
Mos Def - The Undeniable Free Flaco
Nas - NASDAQ: Dow Jones
Percee P - Perseverence
Pharoahe Monch - Inner Vision
Project Pat - Crook By The Book
Stic.man (of Dead Prez) - (title TBA)
Too $hort - (title TBA)
The ones in bold I'm def. copping...imma be a poor man next year.
You can add "Ceasar Germainicus" to that list
nosebleed.
11-15-2005, 01:56 AM
DJ Muggs & Inspektah Deck - Muggs Meets Deck: The Rebel & Assassin
Now that's one to cop!
spider-jide
11-15-2005, 03:47 AM
The ones in bold I'm def. copping...imma be a poor man next year.
Ghostface and mfdoom?? I'm copping that for sure. Man, I want a new ghost/Rae album.
Son Of Logan
11-15-2005, 10:57 AM
Wow. What a list. After seeing that some of my faith in hiphop has been restored. Although I see a lot of crap is coming out next year as well.
Super_Ludacris
11-15-2005, 11:15 AM
But as usual..........a few of those joints might get pushed back or never see the light of day.
The albums I know I will definetly buy are Saigon's Debut and Esco's **** as per usual. Everything else is a downlad job and if it's dope it's a reail cop.
Son Of Logan
11-15-2005, 11:19 AM
Considering CaTASHtrophe is always so hot on other people ish, I wish he'd really step it up and put out a decent solo.
This is a pretty rare song, its Brian McKnight ft. Canibus-All That You Got
McKnight pretty much jacked the beat from Nas' represent, but Bis kills it
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T3CUTXP4
This is legal BTW
The Kingpin
11-15-2005, 04:03 PM
Ghostface and mfdoom?? I'm copping that for sure. Man, I want a new ghost/Rae album.
word..thats one of the ones i'm looking most forward too. That and DELTRON 3030 II!!
Blade_fan1911
11-15-2005, 04:08 PM
Ghostface and MF. I might check it out. Im a Wu fan but i never really like GF that much over the other members.
OT: i have been hearing for a while though Mf is working on madvillainy 2 now. I'll try to find a link. If this is true i can't wait.
Info: Stones Throw Records has been a consistent powerhouse of quality music and 2006 will prove to be no exception. The metal faced villain again prepares to lace the label that pushed his return to hip hop prominence. Yes the rumors are true, Madlib and M.F. DOOM are in the lab right now jamming out the sequel to Madvillainy. And the hungry Madvillain fans won’t have to wait long as the duo announced the release date as first quarter 2006. As more information leaks, UGHH.com will post it up.
http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/news/ Also i heard Talib is about to drop his new cd "Right About Now";)
Ive never understood the hype surrounding him
His delivery is plain, ive never heard any good lyrics from him
Honestly he raps in that monotonous voice
spider-jide
11-15-2005, 05:15 PM
Ive never understood the hype surrounding him
His delivery is plain, ive never heard any good lyrics from him
Honestly he raps in that monotonous voice
Please tell me your not talking about kweli.
spider-jide
11-15-2005, 05:25 PM
Aight, I see.
Son Of Logan
11-16-2005, 01:45 PM
I'm not too hot on Madlib either. Me and my DJ met him in Montreal. My friend was gassed. I was not.
Colossal Spoons
11-17-2005, 10:22 AM
The Lox/Diddy financial beef was all over Hot 97 last night. Pretty funny stuff.
Here (http://hot97.com/multimedia/interviewPlayer.aspx?source=http://media.hot97.com/av/audio/interviews/angie_dblock.wma&jock=Angie%20Martinez&artist=D%20Block%20Announcement)
AndThePickles
11-17-2005, 11:23 AM
The Lox/Diddy financial beef was all over Hot 97 last night. Pretty funny stuff.
Here (http://hot97.com/multimedia/interviewPlayer.aspx?source=http://media.hot97.com/av/audio/interviews/angie_dblock.wma&jock=Angie%20Martinez&artist=D%20Block%20Announcement)
"Heavy!" haha
Super_Ludacris
11-17-2005, 11:51 AM
Damn Puff did them dudes greasy
The Kingpin
11-17-2005, 03:05 PM
yeah I heard that last night...crazy
Yo, Canibus himself just sent me a box of Hip Hop 4 Sale promotional items like posters, flyers, stickers etc etc!
bojangles
11-17-2005, 06:20 PM
I'm not Much of a Rap man myself but....
ICP
Twizted
Kotten Mouth Kings
Bone Thugs
......My very First thread here was "Who's Better The Insane Clown Posse or Eminem?"
I got a lot of bad feedback:(
But now i realy just don't care..........:)
I listen to all kinds of music and bands so whatever.
The Kingpin
11-17-2005, 06:23 PM
Yo, Canibus himself just sent me a box of Hip Hop 4 Sale promotional items like posters, flyers, stickers etc etc!
how'd you manage to do that?
how'd you manage to do that?
I emailed Babygrande or MIcClub I forget...
anyways HIP HOP 4 SALE leaked today.
Have to say, this is FLAMES, its all bangers, its not the lyrical canibus that I know but this could be a big hit
The Kingpin
11-18-2005, 10:04 PM
Who produced it?
The Kingpin
11-19-2005, 09:32 AM
i've heard good things about him..I think he's helping with Detox a little bit.
Yea he did B.I.G., G-Unit, Busta Rhymes, etc
RockSP
11-19-2005, 12:59 PM
Just bought "Homegrown:A Beginner's Guide to Understanding The Roots" volume 1 & 2 earlier this week. This is basically thier "greatest hits". Since Jay-Z has signed them to Def Jam they had to release one last album on their old label (Geffen) and this is it.
I have all their albums so I already had most of whats on here but there are a few great live performances and remixes for any Roots completists out there. Track 13 on volume two (Seed/Melting Pot/BOOM) is 16 minutes of pure fire! Great band and a great mc. Black thought is criminally slept on.
Colossal Spoons
11-19-2005, 01:37 PM
Yeah, Black Thought needs way more recognotion than he gets. I only have Phrenology, I really need to get Tipping Point.
spider-jide
11-20-2005, 05:41 AM
The Lox/Diddy financial beef was all over Hot 97 last night. Pretty funny stuff.
Here (http://hot97.com/multimedia/interviewPlayer.aspx?source=http://media.hot97.com/av/audio/interviews/angie_dblock.wma&jock=Angie%20Martinez&artist=D%20Block%20Announcement)
As an artist signed to sony. I can understand where lox are coming from but after hearing what diddy had to say and providing factual proof and documentation which could be used against him in the courtt of law, the lox dont know what they're talking about. I meet artists in the same predicament so its easier for me to empathise but to sympathise? Hell no! The lox had representatives besides themselves in the form of lawers, parents and other parties agree and sign contracts that secured the legitimacy and ongoing operation of the details outlining the contract and years later they cry about it because the tactic they used worked on someone else? Its bull ****. The lox need to handle their business like what diddy was saying. Making business deals on such a level isn't as easy as the lox were making it out to be and furthermore styles p needs to stfu. His ass is either writing lyrics or too busy getin' high and gettin' locked up to even think about reading the details of the contract.
Slavery? Oh please! Jada, we all saw your whips and your creams and on the funkflex show:rolleyes: How the hell is 20% a big deal, they dont know how lucky they've got it. Most artists get taxed at 35% and on top of that, hey were involved in a 2-way investment deal that they now whant to turn their back on and cry about. What diddy said was right, not knowing your business isn't street, its ignorant and thats what the lox are. 7 lawyers! 7 lawers to get out of a deal? They need to realise 7 lawyers were needed because there was too much confusion and misinformation in the lox camp. The loz aren't business men, they're babies. They were contracted to do about 6 to 7 albums but only did one on the BB label and between them how many albums have they done since? About 5. Now that they're gettin close they trying to push it just because Diddy went easy with mase.
Before mase left, dude was contracted to do about 2 or 3 more albums but diddy let him go without being compensated for it, diddy could have sued his ass off just like any other business would have done but he didn't and the business surrounding mase move to g-unit, everything diddy said was true. The lox are some of the tightest rappers out there but they need to acknowledge and learn from diddy's little tutorial he shared because untill they know how the business really works they aint movin'.
As for lil' cease, that guys a knob. Anybody watch the hiphop honours? When he rhymed biggie's verse in 1 more chance, it sounded whack! Ms Wallace owned his ass. Dude was acting like he was signed to badboy or something, what a moron. He needsto go and do what Miss Wallace said and thats to mind his own damn business. I've got his chronicles tape and even on that dude still doesn't know what he's talking about. Too many ignorant rappers keep shoutin street but they think it holds priority over actual business dealings. Losers.
Super_Ludacris
11-20-2005, 07:05 AM
I find it funny how Angie asked Puff 8 times whether he would give the publishing back and he sidestepped the question
And what's up with Ms. Wallace, didn't she bring a lawsuit to Bad Boy over BIG's publishing in March? Now she's all cool about?
spider-jide
11-20-2005, 08:28 AM
I find it funny how Angie asked Puff 8 times whether he would give the publishing back and he sidestepped the question
I think he did that because he wanted to explain how everything works. If he said it straight off the bat, she'd be talking about why its so and then he'd still end up explaining it. I think he wanted to explain everything chronologically and systemtaically as opposed to going back and forth, jumping here and there with statements. Puff had to explain why things are the way they are. Its not easy to answer a question like that when your being pressured and when your trying to let the masses know exactly how things are supposed to work. Its impossible for puff to give a straight answer off the bat because he and lox have to strike up a deal, terms and conditions and thats something that requires negotiation. Even still, lox are whining about puff taking 20%. Thats understanable when your not pushing units and then the green you do make, 20% gets taken especially when you not signed to puffy but as far as documentation goes, the contracts has regulations that the lox and parties on their behalf signed and agreed to and thats something the lox have to deal with but because its puffy they're tring to pull **** and thats not the way things are done in the business world.
Lox are lucky that puffy isn't petty becuase he could actually sue their asses for the **** they're pulling. The fact is, lox are still under publsihing contract and untill they start making records, puff is still going to be copping 20% of everything they make.
They say you need to spend money to make money. Lox need to bring out records that compensate for the contracted albums they were supposed to do under BB, puff takes his 20 and once they're done, puff's legal and contractual investment in lox will be over and lox can do what they want.
Lox dont know how lucky they're getting it. Had it been any other business there wouldn't even be talk about siting down and having a meeting, trying to break out of their contract because if worst came to worst the business would sue and lox would end up in even more plight. 10 years, 10 years its been going on and they still dont know the basics of business? Thats a blatant and classic example of why people, especially black people need to complete their education. If lox were intelligent on an intallectual level the situation would have been handled a lot better and maybe lox and their constituencies wouldn't have been hasty to sign the deal with badboy and held out for a deal that would be "better" in the long run. Lox are at fault and Lox need to fix up. This is dissapointing for me because I love lox/d-block but all they managed to do is show their high level of ignorance and throw accusations that were easily and legaly negated by puff.
Super_Ludacris
11-21-2005, 07:32 AM
http://myspace-247.vo.llnwd.net/00303/74/28/303158247_l.jpg
Also a Rumour taken from SOHH from the homie TYBO:
let me preface this by saying that I've been on this board for 4 years and have nerver given out feloneous information. the information that i got was from my man who's brother is in the industry in atlanta and has worked with a bunch of artist. I blank out his brother's name cuz it aint cool to put dude's fam's info out there like that. take it for what it's worth. i'm not saying i am going to keep coming through with exclusives cuz i never even asked for this information. it all started from an email about the new scratch magazine that one of my boys sent out. oh well, ENJOY......
FIRST EMAIL (from one friend):
On the cover of Scratch Magazine, are Nas and DJ Premier. Apparently Primo is the exec producer of Nas' next album. "He is that producer that brings the intensity out of me, which makes my rhymes sharper", says Nas of Premier. Who can argue? NY State of Mind parts I and II, Second Childhood, and of course, Nas is Like. Primo is also working on (get this) Christian Aguilera's project after which he will dedicate his full time to Nas. There was supposed to be a Nas/Primo song on "Streets' Disciple" but executive producer, Steve Stout and Sony bumped it, which will now make Lost Tapes II.
SECOND EMAIL (from different friend):
My brother did a track with Nas two weeks ago. Nas is working with Dre & Vidal (Oh – Ciara, Usher – Caught Up) on a track or two. Nas confirmed that he is definitely doing some work with Jay (potentially an album) after they work out his situation between Sony and Def Jam. Dre and Vidal won’t let the track out of the studio yet (for good reason cause it’s bangin) so I can’t let you hear it yet but it was actually a song that **** and his partner had already done. Nas was feeling ****’s verse and the hook so he had him hop on.
Interview
Scratch: You and DJ Premier have done some great songs together. Which is your favorite?
Nas: "N.Y. State of Mind" will always be my favorite. I vaguely remember the session. It was in the wee hours of the night and his comfort zone for recording was like mine. It was just the homies in his lab coming straight off the block. He used to come pick me up in his car for the sessions because I didn't have a car back then. He'd stop in the 'hood and pick me up and that night I really, really found my way with how Premier works. When I was getting in the game in '94 a lot of producer *****s wasn't street *****s. Large Professor was more [academic], Pete Rock's style was way more soul, Q-Tip was eclectic. So Premier was the only street dude other than my boy L.E.S. that dressed like me, talked like me, acted like me. It was such a relief to work with somebody in this business that was a normal ass *****. And by that time he was already a proclaimed member of Gang Starr, but still humble.
Your first line for "N.Y. State...." started, "Rappers I monkey flip'em with the funky rhythm I be kickin'/Musician, inflictin' composition." Rather than rhyme about rhymin' you spoke about music. Why?
It was definitely the track, the track told me that and, of course, my background. My pops [Trumpet player and blues man Olu Dara] does music, so obviously without a question I'm going to look into music more. He wrote music, I saw how you compose a song is mathematics so I definitely saw another side of music because of my dad.
You have co-producer credits on "Life's A bi*ch," "One Mic," and "Get Down." What was your actual involvement in each track?
The only reason I co-produced on "Life's A bi*ch" is bringing my father there to play trumpet. That was my first album and I don't remember what I might have added, but I credit L.E.S. with all of that. He did all of that. "One Mic," I basically put the whole thing together, I brought the record to sample and told him where I was going, but Chucky Thompson made it sound the way it needed to sound. I also did "Suicide Bounce" on Street's Disciple and the Rakim joint ["U.B.R (Unauthorized Biography of Rakim)"], I programmed the drums on that and added the sounds. It's not like it's a big deal. I don't think I could fu*k with none of thee *****s [on production]. If I feel like doing, I'll do it, but I don't want to be a producer. I just play with it sometimes.
Do you remember which machines you used for your beats?
I used an SP1200 for the Rakim joint, an ASR-10 for "Suicide Bounce" and an MPC for the drums to "One Mic."
What do you like about working with your other co-Ds, Salaam Remi, L.E.S., and Large Professor?
I like working with Salaam because he reads my mind musically and lyrically. He's right there with me as I'm writing it. L.E.S. was there on my first album so that's family, and I got love for Large Pro because he put me on.
So did you pay $2 Million for a Neptunes beat?
That's a crazy rumor. I talked to Pharrell about creating a record that would go with the rumor. An issue with me has always been beats. I don't like using what everyone else is doing.
So we got you and Premier together at HeadQcourterz, formerly D&D studios. A lot of your classics were made here. What can we expect on this album?
Premier wasn't on my last album but he is gonna be on this one without a question. I'm excited because this cover is getting me and him to have more conversations. We talked about doing an album together and some of the listeners want to rush the *****-I wanna rush it,too-but I just want to pull pieces from all kinds of different people for this next puzzle because a lot of people think ***** got easy, that I quit, because they see a brother's married and think I ain't on the grizzly. The ***** is ill because everytime I listen to music these dudes is saying something about me, so they always wanna pull me back in. They never let me chill. I don't showboat on the cover of Ebony saying I got married or tell you what I did for Katrina [victims] or what I did for Queensbridge. But dudes is forcing me to come out and speak on things that you shouldn't have to speak on if you that dude. It's gonna be fun, though.
Ok, so with all this peace talk is "Ether 2" coming? "Don't Body Yourself" seemed like a tease.
To Jay-Z's credit, I respect him lyrically. And to 50's credit, I respect him lyrically, but not on a level of Jay. 50 will never be on a level of Jay so it's kind of a shift for me to switch up and do something comical, even though to MC is to have fun. But you can't just leave all that ***** out there 'cause if you let it stay too long they think they got one on you.
You have a lot of history with 50 cent. Is this more personal than your average rap beef?
What's crazy is that the ***** never gave me a phone call after he blew up, and as much as he was around me I never knew how angry he was. I used to have him with me and I'd see him get mad at the crowd back then, but I liked his determination. I thought it was something that would go away once he made it happen. I've seen him do things you can't come back from. Once you deal with telling the cops something, you can't come back from that. And I saw it years ago. And I had a lot of love for that dude. I ain't gonna lie, even today I wish I could get on the phone with the ***** and laugh about how you was with the Trackmasters, Jam Master Jay, and in videos with Onyx on hockey sticks, now look where you at. Any ***** that can come up deserves it, but I don't respect how he gonna be mad at everybody. I read an interview where he dissed his grandparents. I think he need to know that there's real *****s out here he can clique with and he don't gotta think it's him against everybody. There can be redemption.
I can't keep track of who is beefin' with who anymore. There needs to be a flowchart.
What 50 Cent does not understand is that Tupac was real. And I don't mean the way hip-hop *****s, industry *****s, or Internet *****s say real. I mean mind, body, and soul warrior real. Pac was younger than we are now and you still got a ***** like 50 trying to imitate him when he ain't gotta do that. When Biggie and Pac died they were younger than all of us! And 50 Cent's name will never be amongst real *****s and that's killin' him right now. But the baddest *****s have to humble themselves sometimes. From Jesse James to Jesse Jackson, the baddest dudes have to come to some humility in they life. Humble yourself.
What was it like working on "We Major"?
Kanye is one of the elite producers in the game and just getting on his album meant a lot to me. I think someone like him takes his craft seriously. He says it was an honor to work with me and it was an honor for me, too.
He joked that he had to get permission from Jay-Z to do it.
I never thought about it. It never came up. We all love music, let's just make music. That was just me and Kanye gettin' down.
There were reports on the Internet that Def Jam put in a request for you to do an album with Jay-Z and Kanye.
Nothing like that was presented to me by Def Jam. I wanna participate at this point in something that is going to challenge me and push me. My listeners know that I have challenged and pushed, and something like that would be the ideal kind of thing. Something like that, I think it's inevitable that people would want that. The only other thing people want more than that is for Biggie and Pac to come back and rock together.
So is this your last album for Columbia?
This isn't even coming out on Columbia. I'm out of Columbia. I'm up. I got outta that. I wanna try somewhere else for a while.
There was a lot of buzz about your appearance at the Jay-Z concert before you did it. Did you know about that?
I'd been hearing that real strong. I been hearing that since the R. Kelly show got cancelled at the Garden. I wasn't even in town and people thought I was going to show up.
So you actually did it. How did it happen? Who called who on the batphone?
It was just overdue, man. It wasn't about who called who, I don't remember honestly. It's always good to get another notch in your belt in life. How many beefs do you know are squashed? Grudges....in the street or in business. How many people get over war? Any time you can squash a beef and move on, you lead by example for others to follow in a positive way. It was one of the greatest things I've ever done. Given the reaction, I definitely think some work could go down now.
You should do "A Million and One Questions 2006," since everybody wants to know what you and Jigga are doing.
I totally agree. That's a hot title. I might have to steal that title from you. I don't want to speak for Preemo but he's been important to both our careers and he's the cat that when me and homie got together to talk, his name came up. And that was before I spoke to Preemo for this article. So this was destined to be.
The Ether
11-25-2005, 11:41 PM
Great read luda,
Like what Nas is saying about 50. It's childish. I kinda not feeling the idea that Ether 2 will be more comical than personal compared to Ether, But I still can't wait for it.
nosebleed.
11-25-2005, 11:46 PM
Yeah, Black Thought needs way more recognotion than he gets. I only have Phrenology, I really need to get Tipping Point.
:up:
spider-jide
11-26-2005, 11:42 AM
Anybody heard the black rob report?? I heard its supposed t be fire!
The Storm
11-26-2005, 03:31 PM
What's your favourite song of the year?
Super_Ludacris
11-26-2005, 06:52 PM
Anybody heard the black rob report?? I heard its supposed t be fire!
Believe me when I say....................it's not:o :down
RockSP
11-26-2005, 07:07 PM
Yeah, Black Thought needs way more recognotion than he gets. I only have Phrenology, I really need to get Tipping Point.
Get 'em all, man get 'em all!
Super_Ludacris
11-26-2005, 07:09 PM
Better off getting the first 3 roots albums before the last 2
nosebleed.
11-26-2005, 07:12 PM
I wish Pharcyde would get back together.
Super_Ludacris
11-26-2005, 07:13 PM
All 4 yeah, the remaining two aint cuttting as seen from the last 2 LP's
nosebleed.
11-26-2005, 07:37 PM
All 4 yeah, the remaining two aint cuttting as seen from the last 2 LP's
Yeah, Fatlip and Slim Kid Tre really brought character to the group. Romeye and Imani don't have enough charisma to bring the group to the next level. Humboldt Beginnings was pretty mediocre and their "single" was pretty weak compared to the stuff they used to put out.
I still remember "djing" on the bus and playing nothing but Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde and the whole bus would be feelin it. Good times.
spider-jide
11-27-2005, 04:53 AM
Believe me when I say....................it's not:o :down
Ugh! I'll just have to download it then. I was hoping this album would be hot, giving badboy some sort of real credibility.
The Kingpin
11-27-2005, 09:31 AM
I wish Pharcyde would get back together.
yeah, pharcyde was good.
have yall heard the eminem curtain call leak? it's wack as hell, download the song "fack". It sounds like hes trying to hard to sound like his old slim shady self, but not doing it. :O
Super_Ludacris
11-27-2005, 12:05 PM
I aint heard Fack. people been talking about that one. I did hear When I'm gone which aint too bad but nothing special
Dangerous
11-27-2005, 12:50 PM
Vanilla Ice is the best
www.vanillaice.com
Blade_fan1911
11-27-2005, 10:01 PM
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000BKCXQI.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
Get it now and don't even second guess it. :mad:
Son Of Logan
11-28-2005, 02:16 PM
Yeah, Fatlip and Slim Kid Tre really brought character to the group. Romeye and Imani don't have enough charisma to bring the group to the next level. Humboldt Beginnings was pretty mediocre and their "single" was pretty weak compared to the stuff they used to put out.
I still remember "djing" on the bus and playing nothing but Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde and the whole bus would be feelin it. Good times.
I got to see Booty Brown and Imani in concert a few years back. While the absence of Fatlip and Tre is glaring they still held it down. Damn, I miss the Pharcyde. :(
Exabyte
11-28-2005, 02:29 PM
i love crap, I busted one the other day.
Darth Elektra
11-28-2005, 03:11 PM
My personal favorite is Jay Z,I really like him!
spider-jide
11-28-2005, 04:02 PM
My personal favorite is Jay Z,I really like him!
Have you actually listened to his non commercial music? If you have then your already schooled.:up:
spider-jide
11-28-2005, 06:09 PM
Quick question, remember that song, lets get it by Puff, Gdep and Rob? Well, wtf is Rob saying at the start of the track?? I've always wondered this but havn't bothered to search the lyrics on the net.
"color is vibration/
vibration is sound/
sound resonates through the mouth/
check it out/
what i say vibrates no less than 9 ways/" http://www.canibus-central.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/congrats.gif
"trap my adversaries like a mouse in a maze/
with a bewildering array/
of lyrical display/"
http://www.canibus-central.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/lmfao.gif
"College students say to me/
you aint smart/
record lable A & R's say/
this aint art/
these are the contents of the covenent of the ark/
listen to my chest bet tell me this aint heart/" http://www.canibus-central.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/congrats.gif
not possible/
i cant pronouce it. it aint rhymable/
the audible pobability/
proabably aint probable/ http://www.canibus-central.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/firedevil.gif
I'll put a curse on you name /
bombard you brain/
with gamma X-ray's till you burst into flames/ http://www.canibus-central.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/ashes.gif
"prepare for you doom/ my nuclear rocket plumes/ glow against the pail background of the moon/"
"with the scientificaly quantifiable megalomaniacly viable style is like trying to ride a bull/"
gimme the mic man/
i dont need no hype men/
put a thousand on me... put one on him/
i tear off his limbs... throw him in and tell him to swim/
Iradicate aficans that sold africans to saxons and forced black men to pay taxes/
blue flames/
out of giant CO2 tanks/
demagintize memorybanks/
enhanced.... ADVANCE/
on of a kind like.. modern man retina scans/
quick as a glance or flickers fro kerosene lamps/
Whys he so ill?
nosebleed.
11-29-2005, 08:04 PM
I got to see Booty Brown and Imani in concert a few years back. While the absence of Fatlip and Tre is glaring they still held it down. Damn, I miss the Pharcyde. :(
I saw them in concert in 96. They opened for Cypress Hill. They had an awesome stage show...back in the last days of mc's who used to dance. Hip Hop will never be what it used to be in the 90's. Hip hop just for hip hop.
Colossal Spoons
11-29-2005, 08:06 PM
Who's lyrics are those?
aka the greatest of all time aka the illest alive (not refutable)
Colossal Spoons
11-29-2005, 08:26 PM
Eh, Canibus used to be tight. He's fallen off severely. If Wyclef had hyped and promoted his last album better, he might have had a better chance. We'll never know.
Canibus hasnt fallen off, he just refuses to do the same style twice, I guess hes just stubborn.
So someone may have loved his first album and hated his recent and then they would be like "Damn he fell off"
But some people hated his first and loved his most recent and they are like " Damn hes sick again"
Besides the **** that I quoted was fire
Hes making a sequel to that for his next album sounds sick
"Ceasar Germainicus"
The Ether
12-08-2005, 04:30 AM
hey, haven't been online for a month cause my PC f***** up on me.
so anything new?
The Ether
12-08-2005, 04:32 AM
Have you actually listened to his non commercial music? If you have then your already schooled.:up:
Reasonable Doubt is in my opinion his best album
Eyeballing
12-15-2005, 01:02 PM
aka the greatest of all time aka the illest alive (not refutable)
Edan is superior sorry, but the kid is on a whole nother level. Edan doesn't just construct well thought out bars with lots words where the prefix and suffix rhyme and it makes sense.
Edan will take you on a journey with more than just plain ol rap. He actually creates music that seems to mix more perfectly than his pervious album.
Of course this is all opinion and whomever you think is the greatest is to you. But if you don't know who Edan is, check primitive plus and beauty and the beat.
If you are a lover of the old school, KRS-1, Rakim, Kool Moe Dee, Slick Rick, and on and on then you'll love Edan.
The kid writes his own rhymes, produces his own beats, and scratches. He is what Hip Hop has been missing for some time now.
Venom Drool
12-15-2005, 01:05 PM
see sig :up:
Son Of Logan
12-15-2005, 01:05 PM
Is anyone else here a fan of Tech N9ne?
Venom Drool
12-15-2005, 01:08 PM
Fort Minor: The Rising Tide
buy that album
Eyeballing
12-15-2005, 01:09 PM
see sig :up:
It's The Rising TIED not tide :D
Eyeballing
12-15-2005, 01:09 PM
Fort Minor: The Rising Tide
buy that album
Once again TIED not tide
Venom Drool
12-15-2005, 01:20 PM
Once again TIED not tide
my bad
terry78
12-15-2005, 04:32 PM
Just got the solo Fatlip. I like what he does.
The Ether
12-15-2005, 11:00 PM
Edan is superior sorry, but the kid is on a whole nother level. Edan doesn't just construct well thought out bars with lots words where the prefix and suffix rhyme and it makes sense.
Edan will take you on a journey with more than just plain ol rap. He actually creates music that seems to mix more perfectly than his pervious album.
Of course this is all opinion and whomever you think is the greatest is to you. But if you don't know who Edan is, check primitive plus and beauty and the beat.
If you are a lover of the old school, KRS-1, Rakim, Kool Moe Dee, Slick Rick, and on and on then you'll love Edan.
The kid writes his own rhymes, produces his own beats, and scratches. He is what Hip Hop has been missing for some time now.
I'm downloading Beauty and the beat right now, just to check him out. From what your saying, he's sounds pretty interesting. If I like it I'll buy it
nosebleed.
12-16-2005, 12:06 AM
Just got the solo Fatlip. I like what he does.
Really? Is it new or the one he came with a year or two ago? Because that one was booty.
Step up and get your neck cut from ear to ear
If you survive you can cover the scar with a beard!
Eyeballing
12-19-2005, 09:24 PM
I'm downloading Beauty and the beat right now, just to check him out. From what your saying, he's sounds pretty interesting. If I like it I'll buy it
I would listen to Primitive Plus first, then Beauty and the Beat. It's like from PP to BB he goes through a metamorphasis and his music only gets better. He won't be for everyone, but if you like Edan's style you will love his music.
Ocelot
12-19-2005, 09:31 PM
I am going to throw the race card into this thead, since, you know, its the popular thing to do now here. I think what the question really is of this thread is how many black people are here.
Eyeballing
12-19-2005, 09:33 PM
I am going to throw the race card into this thead, since, you know, its the popular thing to do now here. I think what the question really is of this thread is how many black people are here.
Umm, okay this might get things fired up around here. But what the Hell does that have anything to do with it?
Ocelot
12-19-2005, 09:52 PM
I was being sarcastic, its been going around in any thread that can be inferred as being anything about race. I know this thread has nothing to do with it, I was just making a point.
Eyeballing
12-19-2005, 10:08 PM
I was being sarcastic, its been going around in any thread that can be inferred as being anything about race. I know this thread has nothing to do with it, I was just making a point.
Sounds good, hard to tell your tone of voice when you said it while reading your statement :D :up:
Although Edan is white *****es!!! :D
RockSP
12-19-2005, 10:49 PM
Is anyone else here a fan of Tech N9ne?
The only thing I have with him on it is the Tech & Sway Wake up Show album from a few years back. His verse was tight.
I saw a couple videos by him but didn't really feel 'em.
Incrediblejeff
12-19-2005, 10:59 PM
Is anyone here a fan of Murs.I just brought the Murs 3:16 album.It's so crazy.
Son Of Logan
12-20-2005, 11:06 AM
The only thing I have with him on it is the Tech & Sway Wake up Show album from a few years back. His verse was tight.
I saw a couple videos by him but didn't really feel 'em.
He does have some radio friendly stuff. But I would recommend you peep both of his albums. Sick.
I saw him in concert this year. Best concert I ever saw. His fans are just as crazy as he is.
Check out his site. You may still be able to get "Absolute Power" free d/l:
www.therealtechn9ne.com (http://www.therealtechn9ne.com)
Download this, it is only .7 mb
it is the sickest thing Ive ever heard
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DZP5NW13
Eyeballing
12-21-2005, 01:08 AM
Is anyone here a fan of Murs.I just brought the Murs 3:16 album.It's so crazy.
Murs is ill, so are Living Legends
The Ether
12-23-2005, 12:16 AM
I would listen to Primitive Plus first, then Beauty and the Beat. It's like from PP to BB he goes through a metamorphasis and his music only gets better. He won't be for everyone, but if you like Edan's style you will love his music.
I couldn't find Primitive Plus to download so I checked out Beauty and the Beat. All in all this guy is good. He got some really good beats in his album. Haven't heard all the tracks yet tell you more later
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 12:33 AM
I couldn't find Primitive Plus to download so I checked out Beauty and the Beat. All in all this guy is good. He got some really good beats in his album. Haven't heard all the tracks yet tell you more later
There you are found you Ether, got banned from Eyeballing so I haven't been able to get back to you, I'll hit you up.
Alpha and Omega
01-11-2006, 12:35 AM
I like Jay-z's metaphorical approach. Biggie's lyrics are probably the best I've ever heard, and A Tribe Called Quest were nice to hear. Talib Kweli, Common, and some of the underground lyricists are talented, but 95% of it is garbage nowadays.
jusblaze21
01-11-2006, 12:39 AM
ALpha i agree:up:, i hate rappers who jus rap about jewelry and sex all the time.:o
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 12:41 AM
I like Jay-z's metaphorical approach. Biggie's lyrics are probably the best I've ever heard, and A Tribe Called Quest were nice to hear. Talib Kweli, Common, and some of the underground lyricists are talented, but 95% of it is garbage nowadays.
95% of the mainstream is garbage, if you haven't heard Atmosphere, Immortal Technique, Edan, Jurrassic 5, Eyedea, Slug, Living Legends, and many other groups. You haven't heard good/great hip hop.
And I love Biggie but listening to the Emcees I listen to puts him in very tough company to claim being the best, far from it.
Alpha and Omega
01-11-2006, 12:45 AM
95% of the mainstream is garbage, if you haven't heard Atmosphere, Immortal Technique, Edan, Jurrassic 5, Eyedea, Slug, Living Legends, and many other groups. You haven't heard good/great hip hop.
And I love Biggie but listening to the Emcees I listen to puts him in very tough company to claim being the best, far from it.
When I said 95% is garbage, I meant period. It's not groundbreaking anymore. People are saying the same thing in different ways. :down
I respect the people who use it for the cash vehicle that it has become. At least their families are provided for. Rap lost its artistry when Corporate America raped it, and created Hip-Hop. Now the Hip Hop 'image' is synonymous w/ BS IMO.
Colossal Spoons
01-11-2006, 12:57 AM
95% of the mainstream is garbage, if you haven't heard Atmosphere, Immortal Technique, Edan, Jurrassic 5, Eyedea, Slug, Living Legends, and many other groups. You haven't heard good/great hip hop.
You mind recommending a song by each of those guys so I can check em out. Except J5, I'm not a fan...at all.
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 12:58 AM
When I said 95% is garbage, I meant period. It's not groundbreaking anymore. People are saying the same thing in different ways. :down
I respect the people who use it for the cash vehicle that it has become. At least their families are provided for. Rap lost its artistry when Corporate America raped it, and created Hip-Hop. Now the 'image' is synonymous w/ BS IMO.
If you would like to discuss this further, we can but corporate america started it's defile of Hip Hop (which is what it is, rapping aka emceeing is simply an Element of it.) when Mc Hammer and Vanilla Ice sold over 15 million ablums each. That is when Corporate America sought out to produce a multitude of artists learning how to market them over the next 10-15 years into cash cows.
Now they have the formula down right, big beat, catchy hook, lots of exposure, force feed it to the kids of america that know NOTHING about the history of HIP HOP and rake in billions. And the so called rappers that you respect for cashing in are selling themselves and their people short. Yes I said people and yes I am refering to Africans.
The majority of Emcees that you see in the mainstream are African, and come from hard backgrounds, so no I am not mad at them for making money and getting out, I am mad at the fact that people think that is all they are good for. Entertaining us and "white male america" because that is who controls the corporations, rich white men.
In selling out and getting themselves out of the struggle all they are doing in the long run is making MORE money for the already filthy rich white men that have been in power for years in this country and will be unless things change.
(TIME OUT)
Sorry I am getting way off track here, but this this issue tends to get to me.
Anyway, they only receive a small piece of the pie. And how would you know if anyone is doing anything ground breaking? Are you out there listening to the THOUSANDS of underground Hip Hop groups out there? I doubt it, you are right a lot of it is the same but not most of it.
There are groups such as Dead Prez that try to keep a political self awareness about them and represent the African community in a positive almost Black Panter type light. There are Emcees, such as Edan that dig deep into the history of not only Hip Hop but also music as well and create more than Rap, but MUSIC that if you listen to and understand what it takes to create what he does would be blown away by it.
Anyway, I believe you are short sighted and a little mis-informed in your assesment.
Whack Arnolds
01-11-2006, 12:58 AM
I'm a fan.
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 12:59 AM
You mind recommending a song by each of those guys so I can check em out. Except J5, I'm not a fan...at all.
Just Pm me and I can give you a long list of Emcees to listen to. But if you don't like J5 may I ask why? Which albums/songs have you heard of them?
Colossal Spoons
01-11-2006, 01:01 AM
PM'in away :up:
Alpha and Omega
01-11-2006, 01:10 AM
If you would like to discuss this further, we can but corporate america started it's defile of Hip Hop (which is what it is, rapping aka emceeing is simply an Element of it.) when Mc Hammer and Vanilla Ice sold over 15 million ablums each. That is when Corporate America sought out to produce a multitude of artists learning how to market them over the next 10-15 years into cash cows.
Now they have the formula down right, big beat, catchy hook, lots of exposure, force feed it to the kids of america that know NOTHING about the history of HIP HOP and rake in billions. And the so called rappers that you respect for cashing in are selling themselves and their people short. Yes I said people and yes I am refering to Africans.
The majority of Emcees that you see in the mainstream are African, and come from hard backgrounds, so no I am not mad at them for making money and getting out, I am mad at the fact that people think that is all they are good for. Entertaining us and "white male america" because that is who controls the corporations, rich white men.
In selling out and getting themselves out of the struggle all they are doing in the long run is making MORE money for the already filthy rich white men that have been in power for years in this country and will be unless things change.
(TIME OUT)
Sorry I am getting way off track here, but this this issue tends to get to me.
Anyway, they only receive a small piece of the pie. And how would you know if anyone is doing anything ground breaking? Are you out there listening to the THOUSANDS of underground Hip Hop groups out there? I doubt it, you are right a lot of it is the same but not most of it.
There are groups such as Dead Prez that try to keep a political self awareness about them and represent the African community in a positive almost Black Panter type light. There are Emcees, such as Edan that dig deep into the history of not only Hip Hop but also music as well and create more than Rap, but MUSIC that if you listen to and understand what it takes to create what he does would be blown away by it.
Anyway, I believe you are short sighted and a little mis-informed in your assesment.
hip-hop isn't synonymous w/ black culture. Maybe you believe that, and that's sad if you really do, but it isn't. It's praised by people who live in the inner city as a means of ent. , but I'm indifferent to it. I listen to a lot of old music. J-Brown, Otis Redding, Temptations, Luther, etc. . .
Hip-hop is hypocritical and overwhelmed by people who say one thing and do another.
'The Struggle?' That makes me laugh. Hip-hop isn't anything, but entertainment. People in hip-hop have no solutions to problems that unfold today. They just say something, and people blindly follow.
If you think that Hip-hop or any music for that matter is more than just a sonic means of entertainment for the fan, who really is short-sighted??http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif
It's a business. I'm not trying to offend you, but Hip-hop is ruining a youthful generation who would rather memorize lyrics than apply themselves, and strive for an education.
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 01:17 AM
hip-hop isn't synonymous w/ black culture. Maybe you believe that, and that's sad if you really do, but it isn't. It's praised by people who live in the inner city as a means of ent. , but I'm indifferent to it. I listen to a lot of old music. J-Brown, Otis Redding, Temptations, Luther, etc. . .
Hip-hop is hypocritical and overwhelmed by people who say one thing and do another.
'The Struggle?' That makes me laugh. Hip-hop isn't anything, but entertainment. People in hip-hop have no solutions to problems that unfold today. They just say something, and people blindly follow.
If you think that Hip-hop or any music for that matter is more than just a sonic means of entertainment for the fan, who really is short-sighted??http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif
It's a business.
I never said it is synonomous with African people I said concerning them in the mainstream. Name three white Emcees OTHER than Enimen or Bubba Sparx that is doing anything right now in the mainstream?
And one of the great things about Hip Hop is that it is for everyone, as you would find in the underground scene there is a plethora of multi cultural emcees and groups.
Exactly that's becuase it is filled with Africans. Anyway, that IS why I said I went off on a tangent. You my friend have bought into what Hip Hop has been protrayed as being by corporations, such as Sprite.
Real Hip Hop is about the 4 elements
Emceeing, Breaking, Graffing, and Djying.
Nothing else, plain and simple.
But you are wrong in thinking that it was not started by the lower class, inner city youth that was/is african and mexican largely in community.
Look, I understand your views and points and I think if we sat down and discussed this further I think we would find that you and I have similar views and might see eye to eye. But it's a little hard to really get in depth about this topic here on the boards unless I go off and write pages.
Anyway, there is/can be more to music than just entertainment, it can stand for something, it can have an impact, but the sad thing is that for the most part it does not.
And if you think people in hip hop have no solutions for the problems today you obviously are basing your judgements on a limited listening experience.
Alpha and Omega
01-11-2006, 01:23 AM
Anyway, there is/can be more to music than just entertainment, it can stand for something, it can have an impact, but the sad thing is that for the most part it does not.
And if you think people in hip hop have no solutions for the problems today you obviously are basing your judgements on a limited listening experience.
I agree w/ the first sentence in your quote. Music can have an impact, but it doesn't because people do what they want to.
Hip-hop doesn't have solutions for problems today. The world's most brilliant minds cannot solve the problems that exist today, or refuse to because of Political or financial gain. The same is true about musicians and their attempts. I respect the fact that they try, but it's sad to see failed efforts.:(
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 01:34 AM
I agree w/ the first sentence in your quote. Music can have an impact, but it doesn't because people do what they want to.
Hip-hop doesn't have solutions for problems today. The world's most brilliant minds cannot solve the problems that exist today, or refuse to because of Political or financial gain. The same is true about musicians and their attempts. I respect the fact that they try, but it's sad to see failed efforts.:(
Okay, that's different actually fixing them and trying to are two different things. Yes SOME try and yes nothing changes due to many varying factors. Sadly :(
Poeman
01-11-2006, 02:35 AM
Ok i have a question
can someone please tell me the name of the back drop music that was used in the song
Hate Me Now - NAS
Ive heard that song so many times , ive heard the Opera type of song i wanted to know if anyone knew the name
The Ether
01-11-2006, 04:35 AM
There you are found you Ether, got banned from Eyeballing so I haven't been able to get back to you, I'll hit you up.
cool, thanks I haven't listened to any new albums or songs in a while now.
The Ether
01-11-2006, 04:46 AM
To me, I've gone to the point where I just don't care about what's going on between underground and mainstream. EVERYONE is entitled to their own taste of music, some actually prefer commercial music than underground. I used to complain about most of the percentage in rap are so repetitive, simple and shallow. I've decided to just say "f*** it" and just enjoy what I like, if I really enjoy something and someone ask me what I'm listening to I would gladly tell them and recommend the artist to him/her. Hell, I've gone out of my way and actually listened to some mainstream rap, some I still don't like but some I do.
Dangerous
01-11-2006, 05:56 AM
rap fan here
Super_Ludacris
01-11-2006, 01:46 PM
People need to kill that whole 95% of mainstream is garbage talk. Yeah Hip Hop is in a trash state but there's still joints you can dance to. And the underground aint killing like it did in rawkus days either
The Ether
01-11-2006, 02:55 PM
People need to kill that whole 95% of mainstream is garbage talk. Yeah Hip Hop is in a trash state but there's still joints you can dance to. And the underground aint killing like it did in rawkus days either
*clap clap clap*:up::up:
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 05:08 PM
People need to kill that whole 95% of mainstream is garbage talk. Yeah Hip Hop is in a trash state but there's still joints you can dance to. And the underground aint killing like it did in rawkus days either
Well that all depends on the person's perspective to you it may NOT be garbage but to someone like me that wants Emcees to be just that Emcees and not rappers. 95% of the mainstream is garbage.
But you are right about the dancing part, for the most part underground music you can't really danec to or get a party started with it.
I look at it like this, mainstream music is like junkfood, it tastes good and is fun to eat and not bad in small amounts, but there is no substance to it, nothing nutrional about it.
Super_Ludacris
01-11-2006, 05:28 PM
I mean Slug from Atmosphere is terrible and only really has like one good song ("Trying to find a balance")
And yeah the south is ruining hip hop and all that, but you gotta be a straight up and down hater with two left feet if you aint feeling Three 6 Mafia's "Stay Fly" for instance
And as far as mainstream goes, Kweli, Nas and Kanye and Common (who are all more mainstream in 2005 than say Murs, Aesop Rock or any Def Jux cats for instance) drop more gems than them.
Man on the underground scene the only cats who are doing it are Little Brother and maybe the Liks (that firewater album should be out soon)
There's got to be a balance like in the 90's.
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 05:33 PM
I mean Slug from Atmosphere is terrible and only really has like one good song ("Trying to find a balance")
And yeah the south is ruining hip hop and all that, but you gotta be a straight up and down hater with two left feet if you aint feeling Three 6 Mafia's "Stay Fly" for instance
And as far as mainstream goes, Kweli, Nas and Kanye and Common (who are all more mainstream in 2005 than say Murs, Aesop Rock or any Def Jux cats for instance) drop more gems than them.
Man on the underground scene the only cats who are doing it are Little Brother and maybe the Liks (that firewater album should be out soon)
There's got to be a balance like in the 90's.
Man you just try to force your opinion on everyone don't you? When did I EVER bring up race? I didn't, I was talking underground vs. mainstream so stop trying to make this out to be some white boy rapper issue.
Why do I HAVE to like 36 mafia? Because you say so? Why do I have to like the south because You say so?
You know I started off thinkig you were a pretty open minded cat, but the more you post the more you seem to be opinionated and try to impose your views on others.
Everyone has different musical tastes, I am no knocking you for what you think or like. If you like it you like it, buy it listen to it worship it. That's fine with me, it doesn't mean I have to agree with you.
If everyone liked the same thing and had the same taste, there would be no diversity, everything would be the same.
But as far as Atmosphere and Slug go, if you only know Trying to find a balance then you don't know very much about them/him.
Super_Ludacris
01-11-2006, 05:34 PM
Yeah but let's keep it real, the only cats who even ride for the backpack underground is the white boys nowadays
And it's Hip-hop to bring race in :)
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 05:36 PM
Yeah but let's keep it real, the only cats who even ride for the backpack underground is the white boys nowadays
And it's Hip-hop to bring race in :)
Could you elaborate more on it, because there are tons of African groups/emcees.
Super_Ludacris
01-11-2006, 05:43 PM
That the people who listen to that **** are white boys with that BS backpack elitist attitude. Go to a Def Jux concert, ****s like a cracker fest (no offense)
what you said about 95% of mainstream rappers being garbage is the generic elitist rhetoric. I hate it when cats say that **** cause it aint entirely true. If a dude comes up and says "Yeah I listened to Pete Rock, Boot Camp, Nas, Wu, Snoop, DPG" growing up I'm like cool, but when cats hit with that 95% is garbage comment and then name off some backpack rappers who really aint that nice to begin with and need just to act like there down with the underground it's corny/ Dont' get it twisted, a lotta mainstream fans have that same elitist attitude (see sohh.com, allhiphop.com, mixtape fans) but there's room to debate .Even in 2005 when it Hip Hop looks depleted,Cats like Nas, Common and Kanye have graduated to a mainstream level help.
And even cats on the underground (Necro, Canibus, Kool Keith) and the mixtape street level (Dipset, Jeezy, Maino, Graph, Gravy) are as garbage as mainstream artists.
Super_Ludacris
01-11-2006, 05:56 PM
But this really sparked the thought:
http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=671728
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-11-2006, 06:11 PM
That the people who listen to that **** are white boys with that BS backpack elitist attitude. Go to a Def Jux concert, ****s like a cracker fest (no offense)
what you said about 95% of mainstream rappers being garbage is the generic elitist rhetoric. I hate it when cats say that **** cause it aint entirely true. If a dude comes up and says "Yeah I listened to Pete Rock, Boot Camp, Nas, Wu, Snoop, DPG" growing up I'm like cool, but when cats hit with that 95% is garbage comment and then name off some backpack rappers who really aint that nice to begin with and need just to act like there down with the underground it's corny/ Dont' get it twisted, a lotta mainstream fans have that same elitist attitude (see sohh.com, allhiphop.com, mixtape fans) but there's room to debate .Even in 2005 when it Hip Hop looks depleted,Cats like Nas, Common and Kanye have graduated to a mainstream level help.
And even cats on the underground (Necro, Canibus, Kool Keith) and the mixtape street level (Dipset, Jeezy, Maino, Graph, Gravy) are as garbage as mainstream artists.
Fair enough, allow me to rephrase then. 95% of the mainstream I just don't feel. And I shouldn't say 95% because I don't know the number exactly but for the most part many mainstream artists just don't keep my attention very well. But as you stated there are many that do, I like Ludacris (most of his stuff) Kanye, Common Sense (which is what he will always be known to me as), Jay-Z, Nas and others.
There are plenty of dop cats in the mainstream but I feel that the mainstream has become wattered down. As you said there needs to be a balance and it doesn't feel or sound like there is anymore. How much play do groupd like J5, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Old BEP and groups similar get air play anymore?
I also agree with what you say about sohh.com and allhiphip.com I've visited their websites and the ignornace that abounds on both sides of the specturm there is ridiculous. I have not been back since.
I just enjoy the underground MORE than the mainstream because I listen to A LOT of cats that I like and for the most part they aren't white. There are a few white emcees that I really dig, don't get me wrong but for the most they are of mixex ethnic background.
Anyway, you sound like a cat that has his head in the right place Super, you just come across a little strong at times. Where as I seem to come across a bit elitist. But we all got our problems.
Anyway, question for you. Have you ever heard of a groupd called F.L.O.W.
For The Love Of Words?
My homeboy showed me their website and I can't find it, was wondering if you might know where I can?
Blade_fan1911
01-11-2006, 07:12 PM
I'll listen to any artist that has good lyrics, i don't care what type of rap he is put under. Most people don't think that way though, so this is going to be an on-going fued until more people can just accept the fact that mainstream & underground both have good and bad artists.
kamesan
01-11-2006, 08:38 PM
I finally got around to listening to Kanye West's Late Registration. I have mixed feelings about the album but has anyone else heard this album? If so, what did you think about it?
The Ether
01-11-2006, 08:53 PM
I haven't listened to the whole album, but I did hear We Major feat. Nas and I thought that was a good song.
That the people who listen to that **** are white boys with that BS backpack elitist attitude. Go to a Def Jux concert, ****s like a cracker fest (no offense)
what you said about 95% of mainstream rappers being garbage is the generic elitist rhetoric. I hate it when cats say that **** cause it aint entirely true. If a dude comes up and says "Yeah I listened to Pete Rock, Boot Camp, Nas, Wu, Snoop, DPG" growing up I'm like cool, but when cats hit with that 95% is garbage comment and then name off some backpack rappers who really aint that nice to begin with and need just to act like there down with the underground it's corny/ Dont' get it twisted, a lotta mainstream fans have that same elitist attitude (see sohh.com, allhiphop.com, mixtape fans) but there's room to debate .Even in 2005 when it Hip Hop looks depleted,Cats like Nas, Common and Kanye have graduated to a mainstream level help.
And even cats on the underground (Necro, Canibus, Kool Keith) and the mixtape street level (Dipset, Jeezy, Maino, Graph, Gravy) are as garbage as mainstream artists.
well said
except for the part about canibus and Kanye
maybe you mixed them up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/iverson50/dontknow.gif
by the way
anybody like Killah Priest?
The Ether
01-11-2006, 09:12 PM
yeah, he's good, BIBLE is one of my favourite songs and my most favourite acronym
basic instructions before leaving earth?
The Ether
01-11-2006, 09:18 PM
Yup:up:
The Ether
01-11-2006, 09:34 PM
I only heard one song from him and it is with canibus
yea which song did you hear
die slow or life liquid
The Ether
01-11-2006, 09:49 PM
life liquid
The Ether
01-11-2006, 09:49 PM
I thought he was okay, but I haven't listened to the song for the longest time so I don't remember
Unthinkable
01-11-2006, 09:59 PM
My Top 10 list:
1.Biggie Smalls
2.Tupac
3.Jay-z
4.ghostface
5.Nas
6.krs one
7.scarface
8.LL Cool J
9.slick rick
10.Rakim
Good list.. My top ten
1.Rakim
2.Krs-one
3.Big L
4.Pac
5. Lateef the Truth Speaker
6. Nas
7.GZA
8. Big Daddy Kane
9.Black Thought
10. Drez (of Black Sheep)
The Ether
01-11-2006, 10:16 PM
Good list.. My top ten
1.Rakim
2.Krs-one
3.Big L
4.Pac
5. Lateef the Truth Speaker
6. Nas
7.GZA
8. Big Daddy Kane
9.Black Thought
10. Drez (of Black Sheep)
nice list, have you heard DJ Muggs vs GZA the Genius - Grandmasters?
Unthinkable
01-11-2006, 10:21 PM
nice list, have you heard DJ Muggs vs GZA the Genius - Grandmasters?
Nah, I've been meaning to cop that...Is it good?
Dammit, your sig made me remember that forgot Technique...He's legit. :up:
The Ether
01-12-2006, 05:06 AM
yeah Technique is amazing.
Grandmasters is really good, Muggs production had the same style as Rza's when he did Liquid Swords. And Gza does what he always does. I just woke up so I my summary ain't that good about the album. All you need to know is that the album is amazing and you should cop it if you find it.
The Kingpin
01-12-2006, 07:52 AM
Has anyone copped The Carter 2? It's sick...it's like southern music but it sounds like its from the east. Lil wayne is doing things big...
I also ordered Chino XL's album it should com in soon...from his freestyles i hear hes dope with his lyrics...
Super_Ludacris
01-12-2006, 01:28 PM
I need to upload that new Nas/Papoose joint that premiered last night (it's still unmastered)
and I'll upload that nas and Killah Priest from Killah's new album
I thought he was okay, but I haven't listened to the song for the longest time so I don't remember
journalist's album was sick
reminds me of Big L
not really I guess, but similar rhyme structure
Journalist freestyle:
http://s58.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0EAJS8YK7DK7X3EYXA0LBTS7Z8
The Ether
01-12-2006, 09:38 PM
I need to upload that new Nas/Papoose joint that premiered last night (it's still unmastered)
and I'll upload that nas and Killah Priest from Killah's new album
HOOK THAT **** UP:up:
what's the title called for the Nas/Papoose song?
kamesan
01-16-2006, 08:18 AM
I haven't listened to the whole album, but I did hear We Major feat. Nas and I thought that was a good song.Track 14, eh? I really loathed it when I first heard it (while waiting for Dave Chapelle to perform, they played the entire damn album) But once I listened to it about 10 times I actually jammed out to it. Crack Music was also good but should've had the Game's verse in it. The last track is the best IMO; I could listen to that for an hour & 1/2 straight.
kamesan
01-16-2006, 08:23 AM
Has anyone copped The Carter 2? It's sick...it's like southern music but it sounds like its from the east. Lil wayne is doing things big...
I also ordered Chino XL's album it should com in soon...from his freestyles i hear hes dope with his lyrics...I peeped that one also b-cuz everyone has been hyping it up. I have to reserve judgement until I hear the first "Carter" album. It was decent though. I dunno if his voice has always sounded like Billie Holiday or if this just started, but that is taking me some time getting used to. I hope Poisen Pen is going to rise to my expectations.....
droogiedroogie2
01-16-2006, 03:52 PM
...and in case anybody wasn't sure how he felt about it, Kamesan typed it in massive, offensively-colored letters...
Skaip
01-16-2006, 03:53 PM
I'm a gangster, I drive a cool car.
I'm a gangster... I smoke weed... in a cigar.
UH!
Hades
01-16-2006, 03:57 PM
...and in case anybody wasn't sure how he felt about it, Kamesan typed it in massive, offensively-colored letters...
OPM?
Unthinkable
01-16-2006, 04:46 PM
Has anyone copped The Carter 2? It's sick...it's like southern music but it sounds like its from the east. Lil wayne is doing things big...
I also ordered Chino XL's album it should com in soon...from his freestyles i hear hes dope with his lyrics...
I never dug on Wayne..His voice is amazingly frustrating to listen to, as in, it actually makes me mad.
Alpha and Omega
01-16-2006, 04:47 PM
I hardly ever listen to it anymore. Most contemporary hip-hop does little more than annoy me. I do listen to older cuts and wonder what happened to those days??
MaskedManJRK
01-16-2006, 06:13 PM
Sure, I like a couple of artists in that genre.
I think the ones I mostly like are Eminem, OutKast, some Kanye, and probably more than I can think of at the moment. I haven't gotten that much of the older stuff, but I'm working my way up there.
Also, to the original poster, the guy you showed us (JaySmith or something like that, yes? I just read the entire thread, so my head's jumbeled.)? Pretty good, if I do say so myself. The "Prayer to my Father" one was his best, in my opinion.
Carter
01-16-2006, 06:13 PM
I do
kamesan
01-16-2006, 06:26 PM
...and in case anybody wasn't sure how he felt about it, Kamesan typed it in massive, offensively-colored letters...:eek:How did you guess? http://p2.forumforfree.com/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif (javascript:emoticon(':roll:'))
The Ether
01-16-2006, 07:34 PM
I'm a gangster, I drive a cool car.
I'm a gangster... I smoke weed... in a cigar.
UH!
Master P fan eh?:rolleyes:
The Ether
01-16-2006, 07:37 PM
I do listen to older cuts and wonder what happened to those days??
That's what everyone says or should say
Most mainstream have followed the bandwagon which leads up to the now infamous rap cliche.
Skaip
01-16-2006, 08:46 PM
Master P fan eh?:rolleyes:;
who dat nig?
The Ether
01-18-2006, 10:15 AM
Due to everyone recommending Little Brother's - The Minstrel show. I bought the album and really liked it. I got interested in LB that I was looking for the first album The Listening but sadly I couldn't find it. So I downloaded the album and the only thing I regret is that I didn't buy it. I find this album way better than The Minstrel Show.
Equint77
01-18-2006, 10:19 AM
Due to everyone recommending Little Brother's - The Minstrel show. I bought the album and really liked it. I got interested in LB that I was looking for the first album The Listening but sadly I couldn't find it. So I downloaded the album and the only thing I regret is that I didn't buy it. I find this album way better than The Minstrel Show.
that's what everyone tells me too.... I found a copy of the listening in Best Buy last year.. but I didn't buy it.. now I can't find a copy.
When I bought TMS... I played Say it Again sooo many freakin times. Now I just listen to Still lives through.
The Ether
01-18-2006, 10:22 AM
Still Lives through is one of my favs, like the beats a lot. I can still listen to cheatin a couple of times and still get a chuckle or two.
Equint77
01-18-2006, 10:25 AM
what I love is that skit for that clothing store 5th and fashion.
Super_Ludacris
01-18-2006, 02:09 PM
The Listening>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Minstrel Show
The Ether
01-18-2006, 09:48 PM
what I love is that skit for that clothing store 5th and fashion.
Hilarious :up:
The Ether
01-18-2006, 09:49 PM
The Listening>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Minstrel Show
I agree also, but Minstrel Show is still are really good album
Venom Drool
01-18-2006, 10:58 PM
Fort Minor tonight on Jay Leno... on right now... perform at the end of the show i beleive
Ronny Shade
01-18-2006, 11:57 PM
Here's my list:
Kool Keith
Tim Dog
E40 and The Click
LL Cool J (early stuff)
Big Daddy Kane
The Roots
Geto Boys
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-19-2006, 01:10 AM
Here's my list:
Kool Keith
Tim Dog
E40 and The Click
LL Cool J (early stuff)
Big Daddy Kane
The Roots
Geto Boys
Nice list :up:
terry78
01-19-2006, 08:29 AM
Fort Minor isn't all that good, man. Shinoda tries hard, but....just ain't getting it. If you're a rock/rap fan, it's decent. But even with Jigga Man producing, his flow just isn't there. He just sounds too...suburban-y.
Equint77
01-19-2006, 08:32 AM
Here's my list:
Kool Keith
Tim Dog
E40 and The Click
LL Cool J (early stuff)
Big Daddy Kane
The Roots
Geto Boys
I remember Tim Dog's song wayy back when he called out the West Coast... I think this was like back in 93 or 94 before that whole Source Awards thing. :up: :up:
And I'll never stop saying it... Kane will never ever get his just due.
Venom Drool
01-19-2006, 12:28 PM
Fort Minor isn't all that good, man. Shinoda tries hard, but....just ain't getting it. If you're a rock/rap fan, it's decent. But even with Jigga Man producing, his flow just isn't there. He just sounds too...suburban-y.
i dont think... songs like cigarrets and kenji are just superb.
i liek the idea that he doesnt focus on hitting the 'gangster' rap audience and rhyming about girls that he would love to get off to. its refreshing and what hip hop should be about. something personal. truly personal. eminem does it.. but.... just way too damn much :o
Ronny Shade
01-19-2006, 12:50 PM
I remember Tim Dog's song wayy back when he called out the West Coast... I think this was like back in 93 or 94 before that whole Source Awards thing. :up: :up:
You mean "F**k Compton"? I saw him live a few years ago and he did it. It was awesome.
Super_Ludacris
01-19-2006, 02:07 PM
So how does everyone feel about the new Cam'ron diss to Jay "You got to Love it Beyonce" ?
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-19-2006, 05:33 PM
I remember Tim Dog's song wayy back when he called out the West Coast... I think this was like back in 93 or 94 before that whole Source Awards thing. :up: :up:
And I'll never stop saying it... Kane will never ever get his just due.
Umm, by who? I guess it all depends on who you talk to when you have a discussion regarding some of the great Emcees that have come and gone. There are many that consider Kane as one of the illest (myself included) but there are also many that don't give him a second thought.
Just wondering who you are speaking of?
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-19-2006, 06:37 PM
Just curious anyone check out RJD2? :up:
Incrediblejeff
01-19-2006, 06:40 PM
So how does everyone feel about the new Cam'ron diss to Jay "You got to Love it Beyonce" ?
Eh...It was weak,I thought the other one was funny(Jay-Z the Biter)eventhough I could have swore someone else already did that.Cam does'nt impress me lyrically.
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-19-2006, 06:42 PM
Eh...It was weak,I thought the other one was funny(Jay-Z the Biter)eventhough I could have swore someone else already did that.Cam does'nt impress me lyrically.
Cam'ron is dissing Jay-Z? What the hell is he thinking? He is no where near Jay's league.
Incrediblejeff
01-19-2006, 06:44 PM
That's the same thing I was thinking.
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-19-2006, 06:45 PM
That's the same thing I was thinking.
Word
The Ether
01-19-2006, 08:31 PM
Cam'ron dissing Jay is a lost cause. Cam lost even before he held the mic.
The Kingpin
01-20-2006, 06:45 PM
what's up with the cam and jay beef..why they beefin...I mean they were both boys with Big L before he got shot so they must've been cool then?
Alpha and Omega
01-20-2006, 06:54 PM
This is a publicity stunt. Camron's albums never sell because he sucks and he's a talentless hack. Jay-z is one of the few CREDIBLE MC's out there. Most of these rappers will do anything for a little attention. If J responds to him, people will label him as a hypocrite. At a recent concert, the guy just claimed that hip-hop feuds were ridiculous. (hence the peace-offering w/ Nas.)
Then again, considering that powerful alliance, I would like to hear a song: 1 part Ether, 1 part Takeover, that destroys Cam, but that is highly improbable.
James"007"Bond
01-20-2006, 07:16 PM
what's up with the cam and jay beef..why they beefin...I mean they were both boys with Big L before he got shot so they must've been cool then?
Dont be so ignorant.
So what if they were boys back in the day. Tupac and Biggie were boys too before they started beefin', diddy and the lox, mase and cam, 50 and game...and so many others. Everyone beefs but cam startin on Jay is just weak. Jay can kill the beef by simply not responding because seriously, who the hell is cam to jay?? Jay is the greatest rapper alive, there aint nobody touching him and yes, this is a publicity stunt fuelled by that pu$$y Damon Dash no doubt.
RockSP
01-20-2006, 07:41 PM
Jay ain't the greatest but yes Cam sucks. Also just because Jay was cool with Big L and Cam was cool with L doesn't mean they were cool with each other.
Not to mention Cam has been throwing disses at Jay for a while...before he was signed to the ROC (by Dame, of course)
The Ether
01-20-2006, 09:16 PM
This is a publicity stunt. Camron's albums never sell because he sucks and he's a talentless hack. Jay-z is one of the few CREDIBLE MC's out there. Most of these rappers will do anything for a little attention. If J responds to him, people will label him as a hypocrite. At a recent concert, the guy just claimed that hip-hop feuds were ridiculous. (hence the peace-offering w/ Nas.)
Then again, considering that powerful alliance, I would like to hear a song: 1 part Ether, 1 part Takeover, that destroys Cam, but that is highly improbable.Jay and Nas both humiliated Prodigy despite there beef with each other.
James"007"Bond
01-22-2006, 10:39 AM
Jay ain't the greatest
N1gga, please...:o :rolleyes: ;)
Super_Ludacris
01-22-2006, 10:57 AM
He aint though, no one is. Hop off the Roc-a-cock son
James"007"Bond
01-22-2006, 12:34 PM
Nah, aint nobody alive touching Jay simple as. Jay aint released an album since TBA (which could have been better btw) and he's still smakin' it.
RockSP
01-22-2006, 03:01 PM
N1gga, please...:o :rolleyes: ;)
You got your opinion...I got mine. Jay ain't the greatest. I like him but I ain't swinging from his gonads.
Super_Ludacris
01-22-2006, 03:11 PM
Nah, aint nobody alive touching Jay simple as. Jay aint released an album since TBA (which could have been better btw) and he's still smakin' it.
Your 12 right "bruv" ?
He's one of the best but he aint the GOAT no one is, the rap game is too diverese for one undisputed king. One case for one MC can be trumped with the other
James"007"Bond
01-22-2006, 04:58 PM
I aint 12 and your right the game is diverse but imo, aint nobody touchin jay, period.
Super_Ludacris
01-22-2006, 05:29 PM
Listen to the mixtape with Big Mike where Cam uses the"I'm not a writer I'm a biter" track of Jay which shows all the rappers he's bitten lyrics from Can't be the best if all you do is borrow lyrics doggie
James"007"Bond
01-22-2006, 06:00 PM
I know jay has taken many lines, especially off of biggie but at least jay switched it up a bit, made it sound a tad different and made it his own to some extent but now, you get mcees left right and centre, just straight up copying and pasting accapella smaples over a beat and mixing it with their own lyrics with no real style to it at all.
People can make cases against jigga all day long but at the end of the day, dude smacked it and he smacked it hard. Jay's reasonale doubt and blueprint 1 albums are still better than any album thats been released since the start of this decade.
Super_Ludacris
01-22-2006, 06:03 PM
you obviously haven't listened to it, I'll uploaded it later
James"007"Bond
01-22-2006, 06:13 PM
listened to what? Jay has bitten so has nearly everyone else, its no big deal. The fact s, despite the "biting" its more than obvious jay is a sick mcee and an artist that knows his craft all too well.
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-22-2006, 06:32 PM
I aint 12 and your right the game is diverse but imo, aint nobody touchin jay, period.
There are far better emcees out there than Jay-Z, your library is just not diverse enough to know any of them. But a few come to mind that have already had their time.
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-22-2006, 06:36 PM
Dont be so ignorant.
So what if they were boys back in the day. Tupac and Biggie were boys too before they started beefin', diddy and the lox, mase and cam, 50 and game...and so many others. Everyone beefs but cam startin on Jay is just weak. Jay can kill the beef by simply not responding because seriously, who the hell is cam to jay?? Jay is the greatest rapper alive, there aint nobody touching him and yes, this is a publicity stunt fuelled by that pu$$y Damon Dash no doubt.
Talk about ignorance. Pac said himself to Biggie that he was just trying to sell records, don't take my word for it, look up some interviews with biggie before he passed away, came right out of his mouth.
Most beef in the industry is just to sell records and make money.
Super_Ludacris
01-22-2006, 07:02 PM
the first diss where Cam maps out the people Jay bit from. this is incredible and funny and it's incredibly funny
http://files.filefront.com/01_camron_hes_a_biter_dissin_jay_z_whoamp3/;4652335;;/fileinfo.html
the actual diss:
http://files.filefront.com/03_camron_you_gotta_love_it_dissin_jay_z_whoamp3/;4652422;;/fileinfo.html
Colossal Spoons
01-22-2006, 08:39 PM
Mad he called Jigga out for wearing sandals with jeans. lol
please tell me you're kidding
Jay Z is borderline whack
Colossal Spoons
01-22-2006, 09:40 PM
Well there goes the credibility of your opinion. I hate Nas to death but I'd never call him "whack"
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-22-2006, 10:21 PM
Well there goes the credibility of your opinion. I hate Nas to death but I'd never call him "whack"
Well it depends on his statement, is he reffering to Jay-Z now? Or Jay-Z then?
Example: when Eminem was picked up by Dre and brought into the mainstream and even for some time after he was raw you may not have liked him but you could not deny the kid was one of the illest Emcees on the come up at the time and in the rap industry period.
Eminem now, to me personally doesn't care, has made his millions and just picks his spots with catchy songs, catchy hooks and catchy beats to sell albums and make more money. To me I can understand that, but from a Hip Hop fans' perspective he is soft now.
Well there goes the credibility of your opinion. I hate Nas to death but I'd never call him "whack"
wow how gay of you
hes wack to me ok buddy?
Colossal Spoons
01-22-2006, 10:28 PM
^^How mature of you. You still call stuff "gay". Aww.
Well it depends on his statement, is he reffering to Jay-Z now? Or Jay-Z then?
Example: when Eminem was picked up by Dre and brought into the mainstream and even for some time after he was raw you may not have liked him but you could not deny the kid was one of the illest Emcees on the come up at the time and in the rap industry period.
Eminem now, to me personally doesn't care, has made his millions and just picks his spots with catchy songs, catchy hooks and catchy beats to sell albums and make more money. To me I can understand that, but from a Hip Hop fans' perspective he is soft now.
Recent Jigga tracks aren't to sell records cuz he ain't puttin out any. He's comfortable in his chair at Def Jam. You think Jigga's soft now?
^^How mature of you. You still call stuff "gay". Aww.
Yes.
<----------- And you still like Harry Potter "Hogwarts 10th year"
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-22-2006, 10:40 PM
^^How mature of you. You still call stuff "gay". Aww.
Recent Jigga tracks aren't to sell records cuz he ain't puttin out any. He's comfortable in his chair at Def Jam. You think Jigga's soft now?
I was simply making a comparison to where Eminem used to be and where he is now both lyrically and creatively.
Personally I think Jay gets a pass since Biggie passed and Nas isn't just as marketable, mainly due to not putting himself out there as Jay does. Also with Nas going back and forth from being all about "one mic" and Africa then back to crystal and bling.
Do I think Jay is soft? No, do I think he is as devestating as he used to be? No.
Colossal Spoons
01-22-2006, 10:40 PM
What I read depicts my maturity huh? You still call stuff gay! That does wonders for your argument. What the *****? you recordin' for Nick Jr.?
Colossal Spoons
01-22-2006, 10:42 PM
Do I think Jay is soft? No, do I think he is as devestating as he used to be? No.
I feel you there, but really; to quote him "What more can he say?". He's really done everything there is to do.
BAH HUMBBUG!
01-22-2006, 10:49 PM
I feel you there, but really; to quote him "What more can he say?". He's really done everything there is to do.
I agree, that's why I think many artists in any genre outstay their welcome, simply for the fact that after several albums they have nothing new or fresh to contribute. Making them sound like everyone else and repetative.
What I read depicts my maturity huh? You still call stuff gay! That does wonders for your argument. What the *****? you recordin' for Nick Jr.?
yes
if you read barney and the berenstein bears you probably arent very mature
just as vernacular does not show maturity see?
Colossal Spoons
01-22-2006, 11:02 PM
^You bore me. Good day sir.
I agree, that's why I think many artists in any genre outstay their welcome, simply for the fact that after several albums they have nothing new or fresh to contribute. Making them sound like everyone else and repetative.
That's why I think Jay should have stopped rappin alltogether when he "retired".
i should force push you onto I-95
Alpha and Omega
01-22-2006, 11:11 PM
i should force push you onto I-95
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_86/vortal_pic_43375.jpg
Colossal Spoons
01-22-2006, 11:13 PM
i should force push you onto I-95
Cuz I'm "gay" right?
Super_Ludacris
01-23-2006, 12:31 PM
Well Nas is on Def Jam with a $ 3 million album deal (basically the budget for his new album will be $3 mil budget and Def Jam is covering the promotion costs)
and DJ Premier is the Executive Producer
the link is coming
The Ether
01-23-2006, 12:41 PM
Well Nas is on Def Jam with a $ 3 million album deal (basically the budget for his new album will be $3 mil budget and Def Jam is covering the promotion costs)
and DJ Premier is the Executive Producer
the link is coming
Best news I heard today
Equint77
01-23-2006, 01:05 PM
I need to go buy GangStarr's catalog
The Ether
01-23-2006, 01:06 PM
Well it depends on his statement, is he reffering to Jay-Z now? Or Jay-Z then?
Example: when Eminem was picked up by Dre and brought into the mainstream and even for some time after he was raw you may not have liked him but you could not deny the kid was one of the illest Emcees on the come up at the time and in the rap industry period.
Eminem now, to me personally doesn't care, has made his millions and just picks his spots with catchy songs, catchy hooks and catchy beats to sell albums and make more money. To me I can understand that, but from a Hip Hop fans' perspective he is soft now.
I thought that was the reason why Eminem retired, because he's tired of rap at the moment. All he needs to do is make a catchy song and follow through with his gimmicks and he will be rich and he knows it.
The Ether
01-23-2006, 01:11 PM
Jay ain't the greatest. He's just a good rapper, with Reasonable Doubt being a really great album all his other albums are mediocre.
Equint77
01-23-2006, 01:14 PM
I like Jay but his last 2 albums were horrible.... BP 2.0 was soft and I wasn't happy with the Black Album.
But to say reasonable doubt was his only strong album.. that's kinda pushing it. Volume 2. Hard Knocklife is a classic and I still think The Blueprint is probably his best CD by far.
Super_Ludacris
01-23-2006, 01:20 PM
It's good for Hip Hop I think. I know there gonna be some dick riders who are gonna say Jay Pwns Nas. But it's a joint deal so that's not true at all it's partnership, Nas records under Ill Will/Sony and Def Jam distubs the album.
It's good for both parties. Nas is finally on a label that does a decent job of promoting Hip Hop artists and has a legendary label. Sony messed up with Streets Disciple and have always been screwing up what he does and does not put on (see the Iam/Nastradamus/Lost Tapes fiasco). Nas has been around for ages and we all grew up on that Illmatic stuff, it's time son had an establish home.
Similarly Jay needs that establish East Coast Superstar. Young Jeezy and Kanye was a good look for Jay but everything else he signed to the label label has been a flop (Memphis Bleek, Young Gunz, Terria Marie and Rhiana).Ghostface, Tru Life and the roots are fantastic label signings but dont generate the hype that Nas would comparativley speaking. So it's good for Jay's role as CEO.
You may recall Jay's boss LA Reid has been speaking to Nas about setting Ill Will on Universal/Def Jam and signing Papoose too. So things are in the works
I just realised as well that with DMX leaving Def Jam to join Sony/Columbia they virtually "traded" artists...........technically.
Def Jam 2006 line up looks kinda nice:
The Roots-Game Theory (June)
LL Cool J- (March)
Ghostface Killah-Fish Scale (March)
Redman-Red Gone Wild (April???)
Nas-Nasir Bin Olu Dara (summer)
Kanye West-The Graduate (mid Summer)
Joe Budden-The Growth (Summer)
Ludacris-TBA (fall 2005)
Tru Life-New New York (2005)
then you add these notable releases this year:
Raekwon-Only Built for Cuban Linx 2 (April)
Mobb Deep-Blood Money(March)
Saigon-Greatest Story Never Told (May)
DMX- it's not a game
maybe the East Coast will get there swagger back
The Ether
01-23-2006, 01:20 PM
never liked Volume 2. Hard Knock Life, but Volume 3. Life and times of s.carter is pretty good
Super_Ludacris
01-23-2006, 01:21 PM
I like Jay but his last 2 albums were horrible.... BP 2.0 was soft and I wasn't happy with the Black Album.
But to say reasonable doubt was his only strong album.. that's kinda pushing it. Volume 2. Hard Knocklife is a classic and I still think The Blueprint is probably his best CD by far.
I would add Vol 3 too. I didn't like it at first but that has got some of Timbaland's best work on there
The Ether
01-23-2006, 01:22 PM
It's good for Hip Hop I think. I know there gonna be some dick riders who are gonna say Jay Pwns Nas. But it's a joint deal so that's not true at all it's partnership, Nas records under Ill Will/Sony and Def Jam distubs the album.
It's good for both parties. Nas is finally on a label that does a decent job of promoting Hip Hop artists and has a legendary label. Sony messed up with Streets Disciple and have always been screwing up what he does and does not put on (see the Iam/Nastradamus/Lost Tapes fiasco). Nas has been around for ages and we all grew up on that Illmatic stuff, it's time son had an establish home.
Similarly Jay needs that establish East Coast Superstar. Young Jeezy and Kanye was a good look for Jay but everything else he signed to the label label has been a flop (Memphis Bleek, Young Gunz, Terria Marie and Rhiana).Ghostface, Tru Life and the roots are fantastic label signings but dont generate the hype that Nas would comparativley speaking. So it's good for Jay's role as CEO.
You may recall Jay's boss LA Reid has been speaking to Nas about setting Ill Will on Universal/Def Jam and signing Papoose too. So things are in the works
I just realised as well that with DMX leaving Def Jam to join Sony/Columbia they virtually "traded" artists...........technically.
Def Jam 2006 line up looks kinda nice:
The Roots-Game Theory (June)
LL Cool J- (March)
Ghostface Killah-Fish Scale (March)
Redman-Red Gone Wild (April???)
Nas-Nasir Bin Olu Dara (summer)
Kanye West-The Graduate (mid Summer)
Joe Budden-The Growth (Summer)
Ludacris-TBA (fall 2005)
Tru Life-New New York (2005)
then you add these notable releases this year:
Raekwon-Only Built for Cuban Linx 2 (April)
Mobb Deep-Blood Money(March)
Saigon-Greatest Story Never Told (May)
DMX- it's not a game
maybe the East Coast will get there swagger back
If all of those albums are gonna be in 2006 then it will be a good year in hip-hop
Equint77
01-23-2006, 01:24 PM
It's good for Hip Hop I think. I know there gonna be some dick riders who are gonna say Jay Pwns Nas. But it's a joint deal so that's not true at all it's partnership, Nas records under Ill Will/Sony and Def Jam distubs the album.
It's good for both parties. Nas is finally on a label that does a decent job of promoting Hip Hop artists and has a legendary label. Sony messed up with Streets Disciple and have always been screwing up what he does and does not put on (see the Iam/Nastradamus/Lost Tapes fiasco). Nas has been around for ages and we all grew up on that Illmatic stuff, it's time son had an establish home.
Similarly Jay needs that establish East Coast Superstar. Young Jeezy and Kanye was a good look for Jay but everything else he signed to the label label has been a flop (Memphis Bleek, Young Gunz, Terria Marie and Rhiana).Ghostface, Tru Life and the roots are fantastic label signings but dont generate the hype that Nas would comparativley speaking. So it's good for Jay's role as CEO.
You may recall Jay's boss LA Reid has been speaking to Nas about setting Ill Will on Universal/Def Jam and signing Papoose too. So things are in the works
I just realised as well that with DMX leaving Def Jam to join Sony/Columbia they virtually "traded" artists...........technically.
Def Jam 2006 line up looks kinda nice:
The Roots-Game Theory (June)
LL Cool J- (March)
Ghostface Killah-Fish Scale (March)
Redman-Red Gone Wild (April???)
Nas-Nasir Bin Olu Dara (summer)
Kanye West-The Graduate (mid Summer)
Joe Budden-The Growth (Summer)
Ludacris-TBA (fall 2005)
Tru Life-New New York (2005)
then you add these notable releases this year:
Raekwon-Only Built for Cuban Linx 2 (April)
Mobb Deep-Blood Money(March)
Saigon-Greatest Story Never Told (May)
DMX- it's not a game
maybe the East Coast will get there swagger back
LOL.. Joe Budden is still around? I just remember watching Kevin Lyles telling him.. you're record's sinking.
And I'm trying sooo hard not to over anticipate Cuban Linx 2. It's been over 10 damn years now since that monster dropped. :(
Colossal Spoons
01-23-2006, 02:13 PM
It's good for Hip Hop I think. I know there gonna be some dick riders who are gonna say Jay Pwns Nas. But it's a joint deal so that's not true at all it's partnership, Nas records under Ill Will/Sony and Def Jam distubs the album.
It's good for both parties. Nas is finally on a label that does a decent job of promoting Hip Hop artists and has a legendary label. Sony messed up with Streets Disciple and have always been screwing up what he does and does not put on (see the Iam/Nastradamus/Lost Tapes fiasco). Nas has been around for ages and we all grew up on that Illmatic stuff, it's time son had an establish home.
Similarly Jay needs that establish East Coast Superstar. Young Jeezy and Kanye was a good look for Jay but everything else he signed to the label label has been a flop (Memphis Bleek, Young Gunz, Terria Marie and Rhiana).Ghostface, Tru Life and the roots are fantastic label signings but dont generate the hype that Nas would comparativley speaking. So it's good for Jay's role as CEO.
You may recall Jay's boss LA Reid has been speaking to Nas about setting Ill Will on Universal/Def Jam and signing Papoose too. So things are in the works
I just realised as well that with DMX leaving Def Jam to join Sony/Columbia they virtually "traded" artists...........technically.
Def Jam 2006 line up looks kinda nice:
The Roots-Game Theory (June)
LL Cool J- (March)
Ghostface Killah-Fish Scale (March)
Redman-Red Gone Wild (April???)
Nas-Nasir Bin Olu Dara (summer)
Kanye West-The Graduate (mid Summer)
Joe Budden-The Growth (Summer)
Ludacris-TBA (fall 2005)
Tru Life-New New York (2005)
then you add these notable releases this year:
Raekwon-Only Built for Cuban Linx 2 (April)
Mobb Deep-Blood Money(March)
Saigon-Greatest Story Never Told (May)
DMX- it's not a game
maybe the East Coast will get there swagger back
1. I think Jay's a better lyricist and I think their "battle" was just damn good. Could have been better but you and I have talked that to death before.
2. Memphis Bleek wasn't a "flop". People aways give him **** but I think he's aiight. All those other artists put me to sleep; escpecially Young Gunz...zzzzzzz.
3. 2006 is lookin pretty good. Good look :up:
Super_Ludacris
01-23-2006, 02:42 PM
.
2. Memphis Bleek wasn't a "flop". People aways give him **** but I think he's aiight. All those other artists put me to sleep; escpecially Young Gunz...zzzzzzz.
:
Only selling 123,000 is a FLOP
Colossal Spoons
01-23-2006, 02:46 PM
Kelly Clarkson sells tons of CD's. You think she's great? I don't think CD sales reflect talent anymore these days cuz everything's so damn commercial.
Super_Ludacris
01-23-2006, 02:49 PM
Yeah but if your "President" (and I use the term lightly cause Sean is an advisor, LA Reid runs the label) sales mean something.
and creativley Bleek sucks too, so he lost on both counts
Colossal Spoons
01-23-2006, 02:52 PM
I think Bleek' sufferin from the same **** that did Canibus in: Underpromoting.
Super_Ludacris
01-23-2006, 02:55 PM
He's on Def Jam and his dad "runs" the label.....that's the worst excuse ever. That's like getting your shot blocked by Mugsy Bogues and crying foul. Everyone is looking at you like "***** please"
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