The Official Pyro/St. John Allerdyce Thread.

[Emma718]

How many of you were expecting Pyro to lose in X3? I wasn't...

well the good guys always win but i thought Pyro would of put up a better fight than that lol

nice sig AznBABYBANDIT

[AznBABYBANDIT]

True, Except Starwars Episode 3/5 ;p

[britrogue]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/AznBabybandit/Pyro3.gif

New, didnt have enough time to do much to it, sorry...

I LOVE the last frame!

[AznBABYBANDIT]

;pTried my best to get different Pics of Pyro and some good quote, but... had to repeat a pic =( sadly...

[britrogue]

Pyro should have been able to say I am the God Of Hellfire in the film. That would have been so cool.

[Emma718]

now that would of been so awesome^

[britrogue]

I mean, what a cool line. Oh, sorry, I mean what a hot line...........

[AznBABYBANDIT]

hehe, to bobby

I AM THE HELL OF GOD FIRE!

Bobbu: Uhhh You said that, and I owned you... Remember?

[Megaton Sun]

Pyro should have been able to say I am the God Of Hellfire in the film. That would have been so cool.

Heh yeah, but that line is too good for X3.

[Crimson Warrior]

Nice poster/banner man, I love the "he never shoud've left"

[AznBABYBANDIT]

;p, sad that school always gets into the way of making them =(

[Pyroschik]

School gets in the way of pretty much evrything. :(

I luv those Pyro sigs!! They're HOTT!!!! :)

[Pyro Tyranus]

If Pyro had said that line he would have looked like a dumbass after, iceprick beat him. Not to complain or anything but why did all the villains have tight leather, punk, or goth costumes while the good guys took goffy heroic poses and said stuff not even relmotely interesting? Cheesy a La Ratner maybe? Also, why didn't Iceboy's uniform catch fire...?

[Megaton Sun]

I’m sure they made Iceman's suit fire-resistant for obvious reasons.

Did anyone listen to the X3 commentary? It's a no-brainer why X3 was done very poorly. If FOX waited for Singer... things would have been very different for the better. The movie wouldn't have been rushed and the script would have been a lot more memorable like X2. IMO X2 didn't have that many cheesy lines... if any. Pyro would have had a meaningful role besides being Magneto's lackey. Also there wouldn't have been so many nods to the comics. Not that the nods were a bad thing but it's like the movie revolved around the nods. They were trying to please the comic book fans, maybe I'm wrong... but I don't think it worked and hurt the film significantly.

[Pyro Tyranus]

I’m sure they made Iceman's suit fire-resistant for obvious reasons.

Did anyone listen to the X3 commentary? It's a no-brainer why X3 was done very poorly. If FOX waited for Singer... things would have been very different for the better. The movie wouldn't have been rushed and the script would have been a lot more memorable like X2. IMO X2 didn't have that many cheesy lines... if any. Pyro would have had a meaningful role besides being Magneto's lackey. Also there wouldn't have been so many nods to the comics. Not that the nods were a bad thing but it's like the movie revolved around the nods. They were trying to please the comic book fans, maybe I'm wrong... but I don't think it worked and hurt the film significantly.

Exactly. Thank you. What I saw between Magneto and Pyro in X2 all but disappeared in TLS. The father/son type feeling was gone. What Ratner didn't understand was that Singer had a different vision for the X-Men, one that differed from the comics...

[AznBABYBANDIT]

There is a very strong bond between them too, tho... But difficult times calls for difficult meashures... And i saw the carbecue as a god co orp.

[Emma718]

xmen TLS came out on dvd today in Aus, so i bought it. Yet still have to watch the extra's on it. Though X2 is still one of my favourite movies..

[AznBABYBANDIT]

=p I like X3 better =)

[Emma718]

^ o really, cool..

[britrogue]

Naah, X3 should have been better than X2 but wasnt

[AznBABYBANDIT]

it is >=|!!! More pyro @ war

[Emma718]

Naah, X3 should have been better than X2 but wasnt

i know i agree..still can't believe Pyro called Rogue Pathetic..

[Wicked]

Lies, my friend, all lies! :oldrazz:

[Emma718]

what is a lie?

[Wicked]

.......

Seriously?

[Megaton Sun]

i know i agree..still can't believe Pyro called Rogue Pathetic..

Pyro had a point. She totally did it for Bobby and that's definitely pathetic.

[Wicked]

True, sadly.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

pathetic... he liked her b4... wel... more then friend

[Emma718]

Pyro had a point. She totally did it for Bobby and that's definitely pathetic.

i guess your are right there. No offence i just don't think Bobby is worth it..

[AznBABYBANDIT]

bobby was angry... but... sad...

[britrogue]

He LOOOOVED Rogue. Check out my avvy for proof!

[Emma718]

^ awww can i save that avie to my comp??

[britrogue]

Course you can luvvie! Here's my latest banner of my favourite couple

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b128/Britrogue/Sigs%20and%20avatars/playingwithfire.jpg

[AznBABYBANDIT]

the text is bit hard to read

[Megaton Sun]

It's not hard for me to read.

[Wicked]

He loves Rogue. Check out my avvy for proof!


That's better. :oldrazz:

The banner looks fine to me. And I've been staring at your av for the past five minutes. lol. Ryro deserves more recognition.

[AznBABYBANDIT]

true... but he did get soem in X2/3

[Emma718]

Course you can luvvie! Here's my latest banner of my favourite couple

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b128/Britrogue/Sigs%20and%20avatars/playingwithfire.jpg

yay thanks and i love the banner so awesome:yay:

[Wicked]

true... but he did get soem in X2/3

...I meant Rogue/Pyro. Ryro is their little nickname. But yeah, they both got screwed over in X3, but then so did everyone. [/beats dead horse]

[britrogue]

LOL! Bastards. Who else thought that after Rogue absorbing Pyro, their relationship would become more intense? I honestly thought they would come face to face in X3.

[TKing]

LOL! Bastards. Who else thought that after Rogue absorbing Pyro, their relationship would become more intense? I honestly thought they would come face to face in X3.

I think Pyro was used more of an antagonist towards Bobby, rather than Rogue. You know, how two friends drift apart, their personalities opposite: one sinister, one kind, their powers opposite: fire and ice.

Besides, Rogue had more pressing matters to think about, like the cure, rather than wasting her time on a drop-out lackey like Pyro.

[britrogue]

Grrrr..............

[TKing]

You know I'm right. :word:

[AirKnight82]

Rogue is going to be screwed either way when her power comes back. Pyro is an awesome character and hopefully we will get to see him in X4 (if it gets made after the Magneto and Wolvie) and he gets what is coming to him when he is done fighting between what is right and what is wrong.

Pyro and Iceman where like yin and yang that is why they were drawn to each other so much and the hatred grew over Rogue.

[Emma718]

LOL! Bastards. Who else thought that after Rogue absorbing Pyro, their relationship would become more intense? I honestly thought they would come face to face in X3.

i so thought so to. I was annoyed when they had no scenes together. Rogue would of had him in her mind after what happened at Bobby's house.

Rogue had more pressing matters to think about, like the cure, rather than wasting her time on a drop-out lackey like Pyro.

what did you just say about Pyro.....:wow:

[Wicked]

I think fanfiction has spoiled me a bit 'cause most stories about Rogue mention her absorbing the memories/thoughts of people she has touched, so I kind of expect it to be talked about more in the movies...and it's not. Have to learn to seperate canon from fanon. And I was so hoping they'd have a scene together. And after reading spoilers, I just went into serious denial. I probably still am. lol.

AirKnight82, I completely agree. :up:

[Wicked]

I killed the thread. haha.

[britrogue]

I think fanfiction has spoiled me a bit 'cause most stories about Rogue mention her absorbing the memories/thoughts of people she has touched, so I kind of expect it to be talked about more in the movies...and it's not. Have to learn to seperate canon from fanon. And I was so hoping they'd have a scene together. And after reading spoilers, I just went into serious denial. I probably still am. lol.

AirKnight82, I completely agree. :up:

But it should have been like that in the film, because Rogue explained to Wolverine in X1 that she could still feel (cough, splutter) David? (Cough, wtf?) in her head, and it was the same with Logan. So Pyro WOULD have been in her head. And she was the only one who noticed he was missing from the X-Jet, and the only one who looked bothered about it,

[Wicked]

...And then I brought it back.

I realize that she talked about it in X1, but besides that one scene (and the Jean/Logan convo near the end) it was never brought up again. I was just saying I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up thinking they would bring it up in X3, during her 5 seconds of screentime. :p

Yeah, I definitely think her absorbing him had something to do with why she was so distressed when she found out he left.

[britrogue]

Such an opportunity, so wasted..........lol

[Wicked]

Tell me about it. :oldrazz:

Damn, I would have loved to know some of the thoughts she was able to glean from the drain... hehe.

[britrogue]

LOL....me too. Bet they were hot!

[AznBABYBANDIT]

no new manip here? Sadness...

[britrogue]

There may be some in the manips thread

[Wicked]

I totally didn't mean it like that. At all. No, really. :o ...ahem.

*goes to her happy place*

(Btw, love the new ryro banners! :woot:)

[britrogue]

Thank you very much! I am a firm shipper! Hopefully, there will be more.

[Emma718]

you guys have dirty minds *tsk tsk* lol, i know what you guys are thinking...

but i agree i bet his thoughts were hot...

[britrogue]

....he may have been thinking about me........................lol

[AznBABYBANDIT]

lets officially call this the PyRogue Relation -p

[britrogue]

I like it! We need things in our sigs! I need a banner with that written on it!

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Lets make it copyrighted to SHH

[Emma718]

....he may have been thinking about me........................lol

lol..

[britrogue]

Hey, I can dream can't I??? LOL

[Emma718]

yea sure you can lol....

[hellfire]

i am kinda disappointed that they did not show pyros fate in x3. in the novel, bobby carries him away, but they should have shown it in the movie

[Pyroschik]

I kno rite! that disappointed me 2. :( Hopefully he survived. :)

[britrogue]

I don't know what I would do if he didn't make it! (Runs and hides away under desk)

[*xmenfan*]

Hopefully he didn't die i love pyro in the films.

[Emma718]

they would have to stupid if they killed him off

[britrogue]

That's what worries me. They proved themselves to be ever so slightly stupid...

[hellfire]

did anyone notice that pyro had the shark design which was on his lighter in x2 on his arm lighter things?

[Pyroschik]

Yea, i think most of us noticed.

I wud totally freak out, if he just gets killed off, b/c he's 2 hot 2 b killed off. :(

[Ebil Gig]

If he's still alive, lets hope for X4, they don't just make him disappear without no mention like Nightcrawler.

[Pyroschik]

Yea. Plz bring Pyro bac Fox!!!

[Ebil Gig]

Yea :D

[Megaton Sun]

This avatar is an idea I got from someone's silly comment on one of my "Hills" youtube videos. The avatar is the result of my reply. :dew:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/sunnysfunny/hillstimeout.gif

Off topic but it's fire-ish :P:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/sunnysfunny/frofireheart1.gif

I'll be doing Pyro avs eventually... I just need ideas.

[hellfire]

i had greater expectations for the fight between pyro and iceman. longer and maybe more dialogue

[Pyroschik]

I agree

[Megaton Sun]

i had greater expectations for the fight between pyro and iceman. longer and maybe more dialogue

The entire movie could have been longer and could have had way better dialogue if the time was put into it.

On the commentary for the fight between Pyro and Iceman the writers and Ratner were like "The fans really wanted to see this." Uhh yeah we did, but not like that.

[Ebil Gig]

This avatar is an idea I got from someone's silly comment on one of my "Hills" youtube videos. The avatar is the result of my reply. :dew:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/sunnysfunny/hillstimeout.gif

Off topic but it's fire-ish :P:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/sunnysfunny/frofireheart1.gif

I'll be doing Pyro avs eventually... I just need ideas.

Lol. "I need to pick up my fingers":p

[AirKnight82]

The entire movie could have been longer and could have had way better dialogue if the time was put into it.

On the commentary for the fight between Pyro and Iceman the writers and Ratner were like "The fans really wanted to see this." Uhh yeah we did, but not like that.

true! I wanted to see Angel join the xmen or something about him having joined them in the past (15-17yrs old). Plus I really wanted to see what happened to Cyclops. Plus not having to wait after those extra extra long creds to find out Xavier was alive on Muir Island.

[Emma718]

The entire movie could have been longer and could have had way better dialogue if the time was put into it.

On the commentary for the fight between Pyro and Iceman the writers and Ratner were like "The fans really wanted to see this." Uhh yeah we did, but not like that.

yeah i was like

yeah we did, but we wanted more than a bloody 30sec fight, we wanted it to go off and be amazing!

[britrogue]

I've been giving this some serious thought, and I think we need to make a petition. "Bring back Pyro!"

[AirKnight82]

pyro is a great character and has so much more depth. I wanted to see his real death not the one that was protrayed in the movie (like the rest of the mutants that are actual key players in the comics, that were all killed off by the phoinex!)

That was the part that pissed me off the most in the movie, wow everyone is dead!

But hopefully maybe they can make the movie a What if... movie! What if a movie was made by a silly director and a script writer that didn't do his Homework what would the X-man movie be about, how many fans would be pleased, pissed off, commited suicide after seeing such and ablivous film? Lets watch! hehe I'm giddy.

Anyways I'm looking forward to the Magento movie! Laters I'm playing RE 4

[britrogue]

I was about to say maybe John would show up in that, but it's a young Mags isn't it?

[pyro:P]

i really enjoyed X3, especially pyro. in X2 pyro used a lighter, as he cannot create fire, but in X3 he had a form of glove or something on his hand which created fire for him, and had the same symbol as his lighter. does anybody know what this was?:huh:

[hellfire]

i really enjoyed X3, especially pyro. in X2 pyro used a lighter, as he cannot create fire, but in X3 he had a form of glove or something on his hand which created fire for him, and had the same symbol as his lighter. does anybody know what this was?:huh:

well, i guess it was a lighter sorta thing bulit into his gloves.

[Megaton Sun]

pyro is a great character and has so much more depth.

He is a great character. Even though certain characters didn't have a lot of screen time in X2, with the scenes they did have it was just enough to get inside that character's head and care about them. Ratner failed to do that.

Most likely Pyro isn't dead. They didn't show it. It's called "leaving it open." Aaron said he would do another and I think he signed a contract for another. However, if he isn't signed for another his decision would probably be based on the script.

i really enjoyed X3, especially pyro. in X2 pyro used a lighter, as he cannot create fire, but in X3 he had a form of glove or something on his hand which created fire for him, and had the same symbol as his lighter. does anybody know what this was?:huh:

It's a pilot light. It's called a wrist shark.

[Pyroschik]

I agree. BRING PYRO BACK!!!!! :)

[Emma718]

I was about to say maybe John would show up in that, but it's a young Mags isn't it?

yeah i think it is on Mags growing up, but you never know.

[britrogue]

please, please, please, please, please.................

[Underoath]

i really enjoyed X3, especially pyro. in X2 pyro used a lighter, as he cannot create fire, but in X3 he had a form of glove or something on his hand which created fire for him, and had the same symbol as his lighter. does anybody know what this was?:huh:

It was a shark symbolizing Bryan Singer's inspiration of the movie Jaws.

[Megaton Sun]

It was a shark symbolizing Bryan Singer's inspiration of the movie Jaws.

Besides Singer being a fan of Jaws I came to the conclusion that the shark is metaphor for Pyro.

[britrogue]

Interesting thought

[Megaton Sun]

The thought actually came out in one of my fics.

Sharks aren't "bad" they just need to survive and once in awhile they make a mistake by killing a human instead of a seal. Pyro, on the other hand, made mistakes but he did them to survive (Bobby's front lawn). And just like sharks, Pyro is labeled.

[britrogue]

Very good point. I hate the fact that Sharks have a really bad press. They are beautiful animals.

[hellfire]

i was never really a fan of pyro in the comics, but the movies gave him an interesting character and aaron did a great job. ( plus , he looks kinda dorky in the comics)

[Pyroschik]

Yup, i agree. Aaron was the perfect Pyro. :)

[britrogue]

Agreed. I never liked comic book, or animated series Pyro either. But Pyro in the films kicks ass!

[Pyroschik]

Yea!! :)

[Ebil Gig]

Pyro's MY man, got it?

Nope, I don't got it cuz he's mine! :o:p

[Pyroschik]

lolz. u better!! :p

[Emma718]

please, please, please, please, please.................

lol...movie pyro kicks comic and animated pyro's butt lol..well the one thing i like about Pyro in the comics was that he was australian *hehe*

[britrogue]

Yeah, that was great!

[JustABill]

Since I started this thread...I've not graced it for quite a while.

I'd just like to comment on something. I remember that when I stared this thread I noted how I loved Aaron Stanford turned a boring character from the comics into something amazing in X2.

But I must say, I was dissappointed in how Pyro was written in X3. I understand it's some time after X2, but it seems his transformation into total bad guy was way too fast.

[hellfire]

this thread is dead

[body_crumbles]

this thread is dead

We need something to spice it up.:oldrazz:

http://community.livejournal.com/pyro_lovers/86427.html

[Ebil Gig]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/spectre/humor/xstrip02.jpg

Why does John look fat in that?:oldrazz:

[Wicked]

lol Everyone is a little paunchy in those cartoons :p

[Karea07]

Where's Kira?

[Ebil Gig]

lol Everyone is a little paunchy in those cartoons :p

Not Mags(Top right) and Wolvie(Bottom left panel). Wolverine's got a better body than Kate Bosworth :oldrazz:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/spectre/humor/madx03.jpg

[Wicked]

Those are completely different comics! :p

Iceman is well-rounded in the x-strip as well. lol. But yeah, Wolvie is bangin' :D I'm jealous.

[Pyroschik]

lmao. :D

[britrogue]

Excellent! I've never seen those before!

[body_crumbles]

I'm terrible at keeping track, but the entire MAD TV set was posted somewhere on these X-Men forums. ;_;

That's where I nabbed all the Pyro ones, but now I forgot what page it was on.

[Ebil Gig]

http://spa.fotologs.net/photo/26/34/58/aaron_stanford/1162624275_f.jpg

Aww, Aaron's so cute and aww.

[Karea07]

that's funny

[Pyroschik]

aww!!! he looks so adorable!!!!!! I LUV IT!! :) :D

[Pyroschik]

aww!!! he looks so adorable!!!!!! I LUV IT!! :) :D

[body_crumbles]

I've seen a couple pictures of those before, but they were small and not of good quality. THANK YOU for posting a better one! <3

[body_crumbles]

Look what else I found while lurking on the other threads.
http://www.adrienvanviersen.com/storyboards/pyro-iceman.html

[Ebil Gig]

Look what else I found while lurking on the other threads.
http://www.adrienvanviersen.com/storyboards/pyro-iceman.html

Cool!Thanks for that!

Ouch that must hurt :p

http://www.adrienvanviersen.com/storyboards/xmen3/pyro_vs_iceman/pyro-color-boards8.jpg

[Pyroschik]

aww. poor baby! :( i hope hes not gone 4ver.

[britrogue]

I second that wish. He's my luvvie!

[Wicked]

Your new av is the shiznit, Brit. :D

...I need sleep. lol

[britrogue]

Thank you! I like it too. He looks so mean, moody and MARVELLOUS! Yay!

[Alex414]

Do not forget that today is Aaron Stanford's 30th birthday.

[Karea07]

holy crap, i had no idea he was that old.

[body_crumbles]

Do not forget that today is Aaron Stanford's 30th birthday.

Are you sure that today is his birthday? Cause there's speculation that he was born May 18... As well as sometime in April. All we know was that he was born when the original Hills came out in 77'

[Pyroschik]

Happy Bday Pyro!!! :):):):)

[britrogue]

I didn't get a birthday reminder for him on myspace? Maybe it's a fake site. That sucks. But anyhoo.....Happy Birthday Aaron! xxx

[Karea07]

Yeah, he's not on My Space.

[britrogue]

Darn it! lol

[Pyroschik]

lolz. :D i kno rite!!

[The Shredder]

Do not forget that today is Aaron Stanford's 30th birthday.
Never would have guessed that.

Happy Birthday, Aaron BTW.

[Ebil Gig]

Happy belated birthday Aaron :)

[britrogue]

He is SUCH a baby face!

[body_crumbles]

http://www.aaronstanford.com cleared the birthday rumors; Aaron was indeed born December 27, 1976.

And also; Please note: Aaron Stanford does not have, and has never had, a page on myspace.com.

[britrogue]

When is he going to move to the UK and marry me? LMAO

[JustABill]

God. Aaron does not look 30 years old at all.

He does not look a day over 21-22.

[colossus_girl]

I cant believe aaron is 30! I guess he's lucky that he looks so young.
Anywho happy belated birthday to aaron.

[Mdizzle]

they all look pretty young...shawn ashmore looks young but is old enough

[britrogue]

Baby faces!

[Megaton Sun]

I have one! I'm definitely not complaining. Most guys wouldn't want a baby face but it's important for actors like Aaron and Shawn.

Wanna laugh?

The poster for Aaron's movie: Live Free or Die

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/sunnysfunny/Random%20Pics/lfordposter.jpg

[britrogue]

My god, is he the third one in from the left?????

[Wicked]

Yep! And on the front of the bike.

hahahaha.

[Pyroschik]

lmao! wow. i never wuda guessed that was him! he looks so different!!!

[Ebil Gig]

LOL! Aaron and that other guy look photoshopped in.

This movie looks hilarious, and i want to see it. Is it one of those indie films that I can never find in theaters or Blockbuster?

[Megaton Sun]

^ Yes. Aaron does a lot of indie. I love indie films but I hate waiting for them to come out on DVD.

[body_crumbles]

Oh man, I want to see this movie ever since I saw the trailer online. And the poster is hilarious.

[batboy99]

ill watch it,noly for zooey :oldrazz:

[Pyroschik]

Does any1 know exactly when this movie is coming out?? I rly wanna c it.

[britrogue]

I need to find the trailer

[pyyro-]

haha k guys
I'm getting my hair cut and dyed like Pyro
BUT
What would you call his hair
Like what colour is the blonde? And how would you tell the dresser to dye it.

I just NEED information on his hair, HELP!:csad:

[Neto Magnus]

just tell him I want to look gay.

[Wicked]

LOL.

Win.

[britrogue]

haha k guys
I'm getting my hair cut and dyed like Pyro
BUT
What would you call his hair
Like what colour is the blonde? And how would you tell the dresser to dye it.

I just NEED information on his hair, HELP!:csad:

The simplest solution would be to take a picture in with you. :cwink:

[Pyroschik]

Thats awesome! I'd like 2 c wat ur hair loks like after u get it cut and dyed. I agree w/u Brit. Bring in a pic

[britrogue]

Yeah, defo!

[Emma718]

omgosh i haven't been here for agess
what's been happening??

[Emma718]

omgosh i haven't been here for agess
what's been happening??

[britrogue]

Hello my luvvie! Where have you been?!
Not much going on, apart from all the manip competitions which just keep causing arguments. I entered it for the first time though!

[Emma718]

i have been around lol..
yeah, interesting
and how are they causing arguments?

[britrogue]

God knows, but there's something about manipulations that make some people argue like schoolgirls. It's well weird/

[Emma718]

oo ok
lol are you guys talking about Live Free Or Die?
i remember watching that trailer on-line middle of last year
i always promoted it in bulletins on myspace lol

now it seems that it is finally going to be coming out
mad!

[Silvershadow]

This is my Pyro fanvideo :woot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QJcF6QX60I

[pyromaniac]

God. Aaron does not look 30 years old at all.

He does not look a day over 21-22.

He looked a lot older in the Hills Have Eyes remake though. He was more mature as well.

I'm sure it's the facial hair: it would have make anyone look older.

[Pyros-gurl101]

That is very much so true :P

[britrogue]

But he looks so much better without the facial hair!

[Silvershadow]

Indeed! Btw, Love your avatar britrogue!

[Silvershadow]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/Jenny_bjork/xpyro20.jpg

[britrogue]

Ooooooh I haven't seen that before! New Aaron!

[Pyroschik]

lookin good!!! im luvin that new pic! :) :) :)

[body_crumbles]

Anyone watching the TV show on ABC called "Traveler?" It's got our Aaron in it playing... a shady (if possible villainous) character.

[britrogue]

Really? I'll have to keep my eyes open for that

[Pyroschik]

i watch traveler and i think it's very interesting so far. :)

[Wicked]

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z18/Ionizes/foof.png

Nice hair. :p

[Pyroschik]

i kno rite! i luv it!! :)

[MrSinisterX3]

Sorry new to the boards, I loved pyro in x2. X3 he was more of an *******. I mean professor X brought him to the xmen then in x3 he says "I would of killed professor X if you gave me the chance".

Another thing i just fould out by looking him up on IMDB. He was the main guy on the first The Hills have eyes. I saw HHE about 5 times and never knew that till i read that on imdb.

[Pyroschik]

i didnt know either until i read the credits. he looks so different w/facial hair! :)

[scorchedmuse]

Hey all, I'm new here. I've been having fun checking out all the Pyro posts and pictures in this thread. :woot: I know what you mean about the facial hair making him look so different. But then again he seems to be quite the chameleon actor. I don't think he's looked exactly the same in anything I've seen him in yet.

Anyway, I was wondering how old John, Bobby and Rogue are supposed to be in the three films? Who's oldest (in the movie, I mean. Not the actors' real ages. I'm pretty sure Aaron is the oldest of the 3 of them). Anybody know? I'm guessing around 15 in the first, then 17 or so in 2 and 18 or 19 in 3?

[Wicked]

I always guessed around 17 or 18. And I don't think that much time passed in the movies...

[ToriL90]

Hey all, I'm new here. I've been having fun checking out all the Pyro posts and pictures in this thread. :woot: I know what you mean about the facial hair making him look so different. But then again he seems to be quite the chameleon actor. I don't think he's looked exactly the same in anything I've seen him in yet.

Anyway, I was wondering how old John, Bobby and Rogue are supposed to be in the three films? Who's oldest (in the movie, I mean. Not the actors' real ages. I'm pretty sure Aaron is the oldest of the 3 of them). Anybody know? I'm guessing around 15 in the first, then 17 or so in 2 and 18 or 19 in 3?
Well, Rogue was confirmed in X1 to be 17 (Storm said so in the train station). I'm guessing about a year passed between then and X2, and about 3 years between X2 and X3. I got the impression that Bobby was a year older (no confirmation; just suspicion), and that Pyro was the same age (again, no proof).

Sorry new to the boards, I loved pyro in x2. X3 he was more of an *******. I mean professor X brought him to the xmen then in x3 he says "I would of killed professor X if you gave me the chance".

I think that Pyro and Xavier's relationship should be explored a little in X5. Xavier shouldn't return; but I think Pyro should contract the Legacy Virus and end up dying, which leads to some reflection on his life. I'm establishing his family roots (abusive father, promiscuous/neglectful mother, divorced when he was tween/early teen) and his power manifestation (at 15, his father grinds a cigarette into Pyro's arm, and Pyro accidentally makes it burst into flames and catch his father's arm on fire; he takes the worst beating of his life 'cause he's now a "freak", and gets revenge by burning his father's house down before running away to join Xavier's school) in X4, then building on his relationships with Xavier and Magneto from there in X5.

[scorchedmuse]

Well, Rogue was confirmed in X1 to be 17 (Storm said so in the train station). I'm guessing about a year passed between then and X2, and about 3 years between X2 and X3. I got the impression that Bobby was a year older (no confirmation; just suspicion), and that Pyro was the same age (again, no proof).



I think that Pyro and Xavier's relationship should be explored a little in X5. Xavier shouldn't return; but I think Pyro should contract the Legacy Virus and end up dying, which leads to some reflection on his life. I'm establishing his family roots (abusive father, promiscuous/neglectful mother, divorced when he was tween/early teen) and his power manifestation (at 15, his father grinds a cigarette into Pyro's arm, and Pyro accidentally makes it burst into flames and catch his father's arm on fire; he takes the worst beating of his life 'cause he's now a "freak", and gets revenge by burning his father's house down before running away to join Xavier's school) in X4, then building on his relationships with Xavier and Magneto from there in X5.


Thanks, I don't think quite that much time passed between 2 and 3 though. Maybe more like ayear if that. If it were several years that's an awful long time for poor Scott to be broken up about Jean. That's interesting that Storm said Rogue's 17 in X1. Looking at her I wouldn't have said any older that 15 or 16 tops there.

Getting back to Pyro, while I was rewatching X1 I kept thinking that kid playing John looks absolutely nothing like Aaron Stanford. lol. Oh, well so much for consistency. I'm very glad that Aaron got the role anyway. ;)

On the other thing you mentioned ToriL90 , are those family roots completely fan ficiton or is it based on "official" writings? Just curious.

My only fear with having Pyro in future Xmen movies is that they will lose that great character development and depth they had going in X2 with John's changing sides storyline and just kill him off like any other minor villian. It seemed like by X3 he was well on the way to that status. Though I'm certainly happy he's likely still among the living for a future Xmen film. :D

[ToriL90]

Thanks, I don't think quite that much time passed between 2 and 3 though. Maybe more like ayear if that. If it were several years that's an awful long time for poor Scott to be broken up about Jean. That's interesting that Storm said Rogue's 17 in X1. Looking at her I wouldn't have said any older that 15 or 16 tops there.Why are you thinking a year? I was thinking three because a) that's how much time passed between X2 and the filming of X3; b)Jean's hair had grown out a LOT between X2 and X3; and c) It would make more sense for Logan to expect Scott to have moved on by that time (though Scott hadn't moved on because he was secretly receiving psychic signals from Jean), and it would make more sense for Xavier to have concluded that Scott "is a changed man" after three years. Of course, none of this is concrete (especially the thing about Logan); but IMO, it points in that direction.

Getting back to Pyro, while I was rewatching X1 I kept thinking that kid playing John looks absolutely nothing like Aaron Stanford. lol. Oh, well so much for consistency. I'm very glad that Aaron got the role anyway. ;)One of the few times I LOVE a recast! :cwink: No offense to the first kid, but Pyro shouldn't look like Aaron Carter.

On the other thing you mentioned ToriL90 , are those family roots completely fan ficiton or is it based on "official" writings? Just curious.I looked up Pyro on Wikipedia, and came up with almost nothing on his past. I remembered the commentary on X2 saying that the scene where he's glaring at Bobby's family photos was meant to show that he came from a broken home, so I just decided to run with that.

My only fear with having Pyro in future Xmen movies is that they will lose that great character development and depth they had going in X2 with John's changing sides storyline and just kill him off like any other minor villian. It seemed like by X3 he was well on the way to that status. Though I'm certainly happy he's likely still among the living for a future Xmen film. :D
That's why I want to delve further into his past in X4 - I loved the development he was receiving in X2, and I'd like to build on it. He came from a broken home? What kind of a broken home? What were the specifics? Why did he obsess over that lighter? In my X4, it turns out that the lighter was his father's. His father used it to light the cigarette he burned Pyro's arm with when Pyro's powers manifested; and a short time later, it was the source of fire Pyro used to burn down his father's house. (This information won't be stated explicitly; but the lighter will be seen in a flashback scene, when Pyro is reflecting while flicking his lighter in that obsessive way he did in X2). It's sort of twisted, but I think it fits the character. Pyro is obviously a very troubled young man. :wow: :oldrazz:

[ToriL90]

Oh, just want to correct one thing:

Well, Rogue was confirmed in X1 to be 17 (Storm said so in the train station). I'm guessing about a year passed between then and X2, and about 3 years between X2 and X3. I got the impression that Bobby was a year older (no confirmation; just suspicion), and that Pyro was the same age (again, no proof)

I meant that I suspected that Pyro was the same age as Bobby, not Rogue.

Also, I just remembered that Anna Paquin confirmed in an interview that Rogue was 18 in X2, so I was right about that. :)

[Wicked]

I always heard that two months passed between X1 and 2 and 8 months between X2 and 3. You could probably extend the time between one and two a bit, but other than that it sounds about right to me. No way years have past.

[britrogue]

I heard it was three months between 2 and 3

[Wicked]

Well, hmm.

*ponders*

[ToriL90]

I always heard that two months passed between X1 and 2 and 8 months between X2 and 3. You could probably extend the time between one and two a bit, but other than that it sounds about right to me. No way years have past.
Well, it was confirmed in X1 by Storm that Rogue was 17 in that movie, and Anna Paquin confirmed in an interview that Rogue was 18 in X2. I guess it's possible that she was 1 or 2 months away from 18 in X1, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

I heard it was three months between 2 and 3 I heard it was EITHER three weeks or three years. Based on the reasons posted above, I think it's years.

[Wicked]

Well, it was confirmed in X1 by Storm that Rogue was 17 in that movie, and Anna Paquin confirmed in an interview that Rogue was 18 in X2. I guess it's possible that she was 1 or 2 months away from 18 in X1, but it doesn't seem likely to me.


I can't find my DVD, but I remember Storm saying she was around/about 17..I'm not sure she really knew. :p :shrugs:

I like to think that if three years had passed everyone wouldn't have been so..stagnant and stuck in the same situation they were before. It's like, were they really at a stand still for all that time?

[ToriL90]

I can't find my DVD, but I remember Storm saying she was around/about 17..I'm not sure she really knew. :p :shrugs:

I like to think that if three years had passed everyone wouldn't have been so..stagnant and stuck in the same situation they were before. It's like, were they really at a stand still for all that time?
What was so stand-still about it? Sure, Scott was stuck grieving; but he was pretty much the only one who was in the same place as at the end of X2. Logan moved on (until Jean returned, which would understandably rekindle his feelings), Storm became a leader, Kitty and Colossus joined the X-Men, and Rogue and Bobby's relationship was reduced to the point where they only communicated when they were fighting. And, of course, their physical appearances changed a lot, too. They all had new uniforms, Jean's hair was a lot longer, Storm had a new doo, I think Logan gained muscle, Bobby looked a lot older and had a more mature haircut, same for Colossus, Rogue's white streak was a lot bigger and her hair was significantly longer, and Kitty looked like a whole new person! :oldrazz: Again, Scott was probably the only one who hadn't changed.

[Wicked]

What was so stand-still about it? Sure, Scott was stuck grieving; but he was pretty much the only one who was in the same place as at the end of X2. Logan moved on (until Jean returned, which would understandably rekindle his feelings), Storm became a leader, Kitty and Colossus joined the X-Men, and Rogue and Bobby's relationship was reduced to the point where they only communicated when they were fighting. And, of course, their physical appearances changed a lot, too. They all had new uniforms, Jean's hair was a lot longer, Storm had a new doo, I think Logan gained muscle, Bobby looked a lot older and had a more mature haircut, same for Colossus, Rogue's white streak was a lot bigger and her hair was significantly longer, and Kitty looked like a whole new person! :oldrazz: Again, Scott was probably the only one who hadn't changed.

If he was grieving that badly after three years they should have sent him to a psychologist long ago. :p I think a couple months is a enough time for Logan to "get over" her because he barely knew the woman. Don't get me on the subject of Storm! lol Kitty and Peter could have been elected junior X-men shortly after the events in X2 (Peter fighting the soldiers and helping the kids; Kitty getting the paperwork from Styker's offce as Prof. X said to the President). Almost all of the characters had a different look in each movie, so that doesn't mean much.

[ToriL90]

If he was grieving that badly after three years they should have sent him to a psychologist long ago. :p I think a couple months is a enough time for Logan to "get over" her because he barely knew the woman. Don't get me on the subject of Storm! lol Kitty and Peter could have been elected junior X-men shortly after the events in X2 (Peter fighting the soldiers and helping the kids; Kitty getting the paperwork from Styker's offce as Prof. X said to the President). Almost all of the characters had a different look in each movie, so that doesn't mean much.
Just saying that for every single character to change so much, it seems more likely that the change took place over a couple years rather than a couple months. I agree that Logan getting over her isn't nearly my best evidence, 'cause he is a "quick healer" in more ways than one. Still, I would find it a little bit odd that he would expect Scott to be over Jean within three months.

lol I love the line about sending Scott to a psychiatrist, but I don't think everybody knew quite how much he was grieving, because they didn't know about the psychic signals Jean was sending him (which were the instances in which he would get all emotional). All they knew was what Xavier said: "Scott is a changed man." Not something you would conclude just months after a man loses his fiance.

[Wicked]

Three months is too soon, I agree, but at eight months while you can't expect him to ever be fully over it he shouldn't be a complete wreck at that time. But you are right about the whole psychic visitations drawing it out far more than it would normally. I'll have to think about that. :)

Hee. He obviously couldn't recognize the extent of his problem.

It's okay, Scott. We're not here to judge.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z18/Ionizes/lucy_the_psychiatrist.jpg

[ToriL90]

Three months is too soon, I agree, but at eight months while you can't expect him to ever be fully over it he shouldn't be a complete wreck at that time. But you are right about the whole psychic visitations drawing it out far more than it would normally. I'll have to think about that. :)

Hee. He obviously couldn't recognize the extent of his problem.

It's okay, Scott. We're not here to judge.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z18/Ionizes/lucy_the_psychiatrist.jpg
ROFL!!!!! Scott's getting counseling from Peanuts? :woot:

Okay, but one point still stands: How could Jean's hair have grown out THAT much in just 8 months?!!!!!! :oldrazz:

[flavio_lebeau]

It would have taken from 7 to 10 years so it could grow all of that. I say proposal continuity mistake so that she could have a flowing hair, like the comics.

[ToriL90]

It would have taken from 7 to 10 years so it could grow all of that. I say proposal continuity mistake so that she could have a flowing hair, like the comics.
Not 7-10 years. I have fast-growing hair - I would probably be able to grow that much in 3 years, so it's possible that she could.

[scorchedmuse]

allright well aftering looking over a few things again I may have changed my tune a bit on how long between movies. Yes I thought Rogue (and Bobby) both looked younger than 17 in X1 but after looking in the IMDB how they look is not anywhere near how old they actually are! lol!

In X1 Storm says she's around 17 so the character probably doesn't know for sure but we'll go with it anyway. ;) In X2, something interesting is Scott's exchange with Jean at the museum. He says something to the effect of You're not the same after Liberty Island. A month ago you had to concentrate to move a book or chair now the whole bedroom shakes... (not an exact quote I know but fairly close). Anyway, doesn't that indicate that it's been less than a month since Liberty Island? Yes it seems like Bobby and Rogue have grown up quite a bit since then (and Pyro's a completely different person! lol) but I guess it's not that big a stretch. Next in X3 I was having a tough time deciding. I saw the kid who plays Jones is the same actor in X2 and 3 and decided to go to the IMDB and see how old he was. He was born in Jan 1992 which puts him around 10 during the filming of x2 and around 13 in x3 - which looks about right to me. That would put 3 years in between X2 and X3 - especially because it would be really hard to beleive a kid would do that much growing in a couple weeks or even months (or even just a year).

I just keep thinking poor Scott, torchered by Jean's memory for years. He does need a pschiatrist!

Anyway, anybody ever come up with an explanation for Pyro's hair change in 2 and 3? I'm nit picking I know. :p I know Aaron wanted to make it more like the comic book for the fans but as for Pyro. Why change hair color? Or could it have been an effect brought on by practicing his skills with fire? (sort of like the sun lightening a person's hair over time). I just can't see him at the hairdresser waiting for his color to take. :p

[Wicked]

I saw the kid who plays Jones is the same actor in X2 and 3 and decided to go to the IMDB and see how old he was. He was born in Jan 1992 which puts him around 10 during the filming of x2 and around 13 in x3 - which looks about right to me. That would put 3 years in between X2 and X3 - especially because it would be really hard to beleive a kid would do that much growing in a couple weeks or even months (or even just a year).

Anyway, anybody ever come up with an explanation for Pyro's hair change in 2 and 3? I'm nit picking I know. :p I know Aaron wanted to make it more like the comic book for the fans but as for Pyro. Why change hair color? Or could it have been an effect brought on by practicing his skills with fire? (sort of like the sun lightening a person's hair over time). I just can't see him at the hairdresser waiting for his color to take. :p

Well obviously the actors are going to grow - doesn't mean they have to change the timeline in the movie just because they look a bit different. What can ya do?

I think it was just because of the comic look. Why such a trival detail needed to added, I don't know. I always imagined him picking up a few bottles of hydrogen peroxide from a drug store and using that to bleach it. I imagine he thinks he looks pretty ~badass~ with his hair like that. :oldrazz:

[body_crumbles]

I looked up Pyro on Wikipedia, and came up with almost nothing on his past. I remembered the commentary on X2 saying that the scene where he's glaring at Bobby's family photos was meant to show that he came from a broken home, so I just decided to run with that.

In an early draft of X2, Bobby says something along the lines of "You might burn down the house," and John goes... "Too late."

I believe I heard that the time frame between X2 and X3 was three to six months, so Pyro (if 17 in X1) would be about 18-19.

Oh and Traveler... Was put on "hiatus," or "canceled," but however we look at it, the show only got 8 episodes. :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/spectre/actors/aarontravelerfaced.jpg

[ToriL90]

In an early draft of X2, Bobby says something along the lines of "You might burn down the house," and John goes... "Too late."
Was there any implication of what he might have meant by that? If it meant something like what my storyline is, then I wish they'd have kept it in!

[Pyroschik]

yea, it sux that the show's over. :( I LOVED it and i hope we get another season of it.

[the a1ant]

I was wondering what had happened to the show. =/

[scorchedmuse]

I think it was just because of the comic look. Why such a trival detail needed to added, I don't know. I always imagined him picking up a few bottles of hydrogen peroxide from a drug store and using that to bleach it. I imagine he thinks he looks pretty ~badass~ with his hair like that. :oldrazz:

lol, this is true.

Pyro (checks out newly bleached hair in mirror and admires himself): Yeah... completely badass...

Mystique (rolls her eyes): It makes you look taller anyway.:cwink:



I've read recently (elsewhere) that Traveller has not been picked up for another season. :csad:

[ToriL90]

lol, this is true.

Pyro (checks out newly bleached hair in mirror and admires himself): Yeah... completely badass...

Mystique (rolls her eyes): It makes you look taller anyway.:cwink:
I can SO see Pyro like that! :oldrazz:

[body_crumbles]

Was there any implication of what he might have meant by that? If it meant something like what my storyline is, then I wish they'd have kept it in!

There's really nothing else about his family life, but from that snippet in the draft, to the scene in the movie, one can guess Pyro burned down his house.

It should be in this script. (I'm too tired/lazy to check right now.)
http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/X-Men_2.pdf

[scorchedmuse]

Okay found it. It's not in the scene where they enter the house, that's pretty similar except Pyro shakes his head at the "don't burn anything" comment. It's a little later after they escape the police, etc. Bobby says "You think it's funny? Let's go set fire to your house next time." and Pyro comes back with "Too late."

Also interesting, partially because I've wondered this myself, when Rogue says he almost killed those police officers Pyro says "So? Logan would have... if he hadn't gotten shot in the head."

The museum scene is very different, Ryro fans will like it though. It's much more explicit about a possible Pyro/Rogue relationship and much more with a Bobby/Pyro rivalry.

[britrogue]

Really? Details!

[ToriL90]

Really? Details!
To be honest, I like the version they went with better than what was on the original script, but here it is:

A BRILLIANT GLOWING LIGHT

Swirls gently in front of the face of a TEENAGE BOY. This is JOHN ALLERDYCE, AKA: PYRO.

WIDER TO REVEAL: Pyro sits next to ROGUE, who stares at the fire, transfixed. Next to her, BOBBY DRAKE is nervous -- on the other side, KITTY PRYDE watches, embarrassed. They are sitting in:

INT. SCIENCE MUSEUM - FOOD COURT - CONTINUOUS

Pyro manipulates the fire with ease, creating a series of marbles that effortlessly flow between his fingers.

ROGUE: "My turn."

She reaches to touch Pyro's hand. He flinches away.

ROGUE: "It's okay. I can control it better."

Bobby watches jealously. As Rogue's hand makes contact with Pyro's. There is a quick FLASH OF LIGHT -- Pyro smiles like he's buzzed. Rogue pulls her hand away with THE SMALL FLAME.

ROGUE: "Wow. I feel... Warm."

But she can't control it, and it quickly grows largers, swirling around her hand.

KITTY: "Rogue, be careful."

PYRO: "She's got it."

She doesn't, and Bobby knows it. She continues wrestling with the flame, when Bobby glances over at THREE TEENAGE BOYS who are watching them from a few tables over.

BOBBY: "Rogue."

But Rogue is too focused trying to control the fire. Bobby nervously glances at the three teenagers, now walking towards them.

BOBBY: "Rogue..."

Pyro quickly reaches over and puts the fire out. Rogue snaps her head up to see the three teenagers glaring at her. TEENAGER 1 is smoking a cigarette.

TEENAGER 2: "My friend wants to know how you did that."

Rogue looks at him, then at Bobby and Pyro.

TEENAGER 3: "Yeah. Do it again."

ROGUE: "...I can't."

TEENAGER 2 reaches toward Rogue's hands.

BOBBY: "You really don't want to touch her."

TEENAGER 2 presses forward. Bobby stands up. TEENAGER 1 takes a DRAG. Pyro twirls his LIGHTER in his fingers.

PYRO: "There's no smoking in here."

He blows smoke in Pyro's face.

TEENAGER 1: (re: his lighter) "Whaddya do with that? Light your farts?"

The teens laugh. He takes another drag from his cigarette.

PUSH IN ON: THE GLOWING EMBERS of his cigarette.

PYRO: "No. Just a******s."

Pyro's EYES narrow -- and VWOOSH! THE FLAME of the cigarette travels fast as lightning, incinerating the cigarette and setting the guy's jacket and hair on fire. He SCREAMS, furiously trying to PAT it out. His friends panic.

BOBBY reaches up his hand, and sends a STREAM of FROST towards him. Immediately, the fire FREEZES and DROPS off. The teenagers stare at the young mutants, terrified. So does everyone else in the food court.

[ToriL90]

Okay found it. It's not in the scene where they enter the house, that's pretty similar except Pyro shakes his head at the "don't burn anything" comment. It's a little later after they escape the police, etc. Bobby says "You think it's funny? Let's go set fire to your house next time." and Pyro comes back with "Too late."

Also interesting, partially because I've wondered this myself, when Rogue says he almost killed those police officers Pyro says "So? Logan would have... if he hadn't gotten shot in the head."

The museum scene is very different, Ryro fans will like it though. It's much more explicit about a possible Pyro/Rogue relationship and much more with a Bobby/Pyro rivalry.
Thanks. I love those Pyro lines! I wish they would have kept them in - especially the one about burning his house down. :word:

BTW, why do they call Pyro/Rogue "Ryro"? I always thought "Pyrogue" was a lot better name combination. :oldrazz:

[Wicked]

Oh, that bittersweet script...:sigh: There are quite a few Pyro/Rogue moments in addition to that scene.


BTW, why do they call Pyro/Rogue "Ryro"? I always thought "Pyrogue" was a lot better name combination. :oldrazz:

lol Why?

Though Ryro does sound like something Scooby-Doo would say. :p

[Angamb]

To be honest, I like the version they went with better than what was on the original script, but here it is:

A BRILLIANT GLOWING LIGHT

Swirls gently in front of the face of a TEENAGE BOY. This is JOHN ALLERDYCE, AKA: PYRO.

WIDER TO REVEAL: Pyro sits next to ROGUE, who stares at the fire, transfixed. Next to her, BOBBY DRAKE is nervous -- on the other side, KITTY PRYDE watches, embarrassed. They are sitting in:

INT. SCIENCE MUSEUM - FOOD COURT - CONTINUOUS

Pyro manipulates the fire with ease, creating a series of marbles that effortlessly flow between his fingers.

ROGUE: "My turn."

She reaches to touch Pyro's hand. He flinches away.

ROGUE: "It's okay. I can control it better."

Bobby watches jealously. As Rogue's hand makes contact with Pyro's. There is a quick FLASH OF LIGHT -- Pyro smiles like he's buzzed. Rogue pulls her hand away with THE SMALL FLAME.

ROGUE: "Wow. I feel... Warm."

But she can't control it, and it quickly grows largers, swirling around her hand.

KITTY: "Rogue, be careful."

PYRO: "She's got it."

She doesn't, and Bobby knows it. She continues wrestling with the flame, when Bobby glances over at THREE TEENAGE BOYS who are watching them from a few tables over.

BOBBY: "Rogue."

But Rogue is too focused trying to control the fire. Bobby nervously glances at the three teenagers, now walking towards them.

BOBBY: "Rogue..."

Pyro quickly reaches over and puts the fire out. Rogue snaps her head up to see the three teenagers glaring at her. TEENAGER 1 is smoking a cigarette.

TEENAGER 2: "My friend wants to know how you did that."

Rogue looks at him, then at Bobby and Pyro.

TEENAGER 3: "Yeah. Do it again."

ROGUE: "...I can't."

TEENAGER 2 reaches toward Rogue's hands.

BOBBY: "You really don't want to touch her."

TEENAGER 2 presses forward. Bobby stands up. TEENAGER 1 takes a DRAG. Pyro twirls his LIGHTER in his fingers.

PYRO: "There's no smoking in here."

He blows smoke in Pyro's face.

TEENAGER 1: (re: his lighter) "Whaddya do with that? Light your farts?"

The teens laugh. He takes another drag from his cigarette.

PUSH IN ON: THE GLOWING EMBERS of his cigarette.

PYRO: "No. Just a******s."

Pyro's EYES narrow -- and VWOOSH! THE FLAME of the cigarette travels fast as lightning, incinerating the cigarette and setting the guy's jacket and hair on fire. He SCREAMS, furiously trying to PAT it out. His friends panic.

BOBBY reaches up his hand, and sends a STREAM of FROST towards him. Immediately, the fire FREEZES and DROPS off. The teenagers stare at the young mutants, terrified. So does everyone else in the food court.

Love the idea of this scene... no... Love this scene, hehe. Would have been nice to see Rogue playing with her power and interacting with Pyros. :csad:

[ToriL90]

Love the idea of this scene... no... Love this scene, hehe. Would have been nice to see Rogue playing with her power and interacting with Pyros. :csad:
If that scene would have been in the movie, though, then I would have wanted Rogue to hook up with him instead of Bobby. :oldrazz:

Seriously, Pyro's supposed to be a villian. In that scene, he came off a lot nicer to Rogue than Bobby ever was. Those jerks he burned seemed a lot more threatening in the first scene that in the actual movie, making him almost justified in that. It was definitely a good scene and I enjoyed reading it; but they had to make Pyro a villian, so I'm glad they changed it.

[scorchedmuse]

Well... it would have been a fun scene to see but I am glad that they did the museum scene the way it was (though I would have liked a little more just before, showing what led up to the two guys coming over). I think that having the scene as it is in this script would have undermined both the Rogue/Bobby tension in the story and undermined Pyro's characterization and change to the "dark side."

Here's why, imo, in the case of Bobby/Rogue or Rogue anybody, if you have her going around for three movies acting like she can't touch anybody or she'll kill or severely hurt them - she best not touch anybody. For her to be then messing around with Pyro and taking his power would make that whole part if the plot pretty much meaningless.

In the case of Pyro's change of sides, the way it came across on screen I really think that Rogue taking his lifeforce at that moment was a major part of why he left the Jet in the first place, and eventually went with Magneto. She not only took his powers, which was probably humiliating enough for him, but she would have taken on his feelings and memories and all that stuff. And I really think that was too bitter a pill for him to take. She would have known about any abuse he would have suffered from his father/mother before going to Xavier's (if any), she would have known if he had a crush on her, she would have known of his feelings of jealousy over Bobby and his family, she would have known the darker parts of his heart. It's a shame that the campfire scene (the one that was filmed, not in this script) was not in the movie because that really brought across for me the feelings of humiliation, inadequecy, and lonliness he was feeling and you get the feeling that Rogue knows he's ticked at her for what she did and is upset/hurt by that in return. In the script and in the book, he actually lashes out on Bobby when he starts that fire, which I'm glad they changed because that just makes him look like a jerk there. The way Aaron played it you've got a confused kid who's just had his entire life and feelings forcibly removed from him and handed over the girl he (probably) likes. Finally he gives in and "helps" with the fire but is still not speaking to her - so she storms off hurt.

[Wicked]

Well... it would have been a fun scene to see but I am glad that they did the museum scene the way it was (though I would have liked a little more just before, showing what led up to the two guys coming over). I think that having the scene as it is in this script would have undermined both the Rogue/Bobby tension in the story and undermined Pyro's characterization and change to the "dark side."

Here's why, imo, in the case of Bobby/Rogue or Rogue anybody, if you have her going around for three movies acting like she can't touch anybody or she'll kill or severely hurt them - she best not touch anybody. For her to be then messing around with Pyro and taking his power would make that whole part if the plot pretty much meaningless.


That would be true if everything after that scene played out like it did in the final draft - but it didn't. If you read the rest of that script you see that Rogue is NOWHERE near as timid or frightened by her powers. Besides playing with Pyro's powers, she forcibly takes Bobby's during the mansion raid to help Logan. And she doesn't steal his at Bobby's house; Storm puts out the fire with a hailstorm.


In the case of Pyro's change of sides, the way it came across on screen I really think that Rogue taking his lifeforce at that moment was a major part of why he left the Jet in the first place, and eventually went with Magneto. She not only took his powers, which was probably humiliating enough for him, but she would have taken on his feelings and memories and all that stuff. And I really think that was too bitter a pill for him to take. She would have known about any abuse he would have suffered from his father/mother before going to Xavier's (if any), she would have known if he had a crush on her, she would have known of his feelings of jealousy over Bobby and his family, she would have known the darker parts of his heart. It's a shame that the campfire scene (the one that was filmed, not in this script) was not in the movie because that really brought across for me the feelings of humiliation, inadequecy, and lonliness he was feeling and you get the feeling that Rogue knows he's ticked at her for what she did and is upset/hurt by that in return. In the script and in the book, he actually lashes out on Bobby when he starts that fire, which I'm glad they changed because that just makes him look like a jerk there. The way Aaron played it you've got a confused kid who's just had his entire life and feelings forcibly removed from him and handed over the girl he (probably) likes. Finally he gives in and "helps" with the fire but is still not speaking to her - so she storms off hurt.


I agree 100%.

[ToriL90]

That would be true if everything after that scene played out like it did in the final draft - but it didn't. If you read the rest of that script you see that Rogue is NOWHERE near as timid or frightened by her powers. Besides playing with Pyro's powers, she forcibly takes Bobby's during the mansion raid to help Logan. And she doesn't steal his at Bobby's house; Storm puts out the fire with a hailstorm.That part about Rogue taking Bobby's powers to save Logan sounds cool, although I liked her taking Pyro's powers at Bobby's house. I like both, but I'd choose the Pyro scene over the Bobby scene.

In the case of Pyro's change of sides, the way it came across on screen I really think that Rogue taking his lifeforce at that moment was a major part of why he left the Jet in the first place, and eventually went with Magneto. She not only took his powers, which was probably humiliating enough for him, but she would have taken on his feelings and memories and all that stuff. And I really think that was too bitter a pill for him to take. She would have known about any abuse he would have suffered from his father/mother before going to Xavier's (if any), she would have known if he had a crush on her, she would have known of his feelings of jealousy over Bobby and his family, she would have known the darker parts of his heart. It's a shame that the campfire scene (the one that was filmed, not in this script) was not in the movie because that really brought across for me the feelings of humiliation, inadequecy, and lonliness he was feeling and you get the feeling that Rogue knows he's ticked at her for what she did and is upset/hurt by that in return. In the script and in the book, he actually lashes out on Bobby when he starts that fire, which I'm glad they changed because that just makes him look like a jerk there. The way Aaron played it you've got a confused kid who's just had his entire life and feelings forcibly removed from him and handed over the girl he (probably) likes. Finally he gives in and "helps" with the fire but is still not speaking to her - so she storms off hurt.

Amazing analysis! :cwink:

[scorchedmuse]

You caught me, I'd just skimmed the script this morning before work and didn't see the whole thing, however, I still think having her horse around with her powers, or even be less hesitant to use them with her friends and boyfriend even in an emergency at that point undermines the tension between her and Bobby and makes the whole "I can't touch my boyfriend or I might kill him" thing much less effective in the plot. I suspect that's why they changed it. By X3 she's been training a few years and has better control (or enough that Collosus doesn't mind her borrowing his power as in the danger room) but it's still a big issue between her and Bobby.

Further about Pyro's change and Rogue. Had Pyro been letting her touch him prior to that, such as in the alternate museum scene, she would have already known his memories and feelings and it wouldn't have been as big a deal to him later. In the movie, because they didn't show Pyro and Rogue touch and she was being so hesitant with Bobby, you can probably assume she'd never touched Pyro before that and had no idea what was going on in that head of his until that day at the Drake's house. This makes that whole part of the story much more poignant. Which I think was the point in changing it also.

[ToriL90]

You caught me, I'd just skimmed the script this morning before work and didn't see the whole thing, however, I still think having her horse around with her powers, or even be less hesitant to use them with her friends and boyfriend even in an emergency at that point undermines the tension between her and Bobby and makes the whole "I can't touch my boyfriend or I might kill him" thing much less effective in the plot. I suspect that's why they changed it. By X3 she's been training a few years and has better control (or enough that Collosus doesn't mind her borrowing his power as in the danger room) but it's still a big issue between her and Bobby.

Further about Pyro's change and Rogue. Had Pyro been letting her touch him prior to that, such as in the alternate museum scene, she would have already known his memories and feelings and it wouldn't have been as big a deal to him later. In the movie, because they didn't show Pyro and Rogue touch and she was being so hesitant with Bobby, you can probably assume she'd never touched Pyro before that and had no idea what was going on in that head of his until that day at the Drake's house. This makes that whole part of the story much more poignant. Which I think was the point in changing it also.
You've got a lot of fabulous points/observations, but I was wondering... Was there ever an indication in the first trilogy that Rogue takes memories? It always seemed like all she took was life force and power - they never really addressed memories. It seems like they should have at some point - maybe when she first touched Logan or something.

In my X4, she's definitely going to have that ability and use it to her advantage, but I'm not sure whether to make it a power she gains in a sort of "rebound effect" from the recovering from the cure, or if she's had it all along.

[scorchedmuse]

Thanks. :cwink:

As far as the comic book Rogue is concerned - most definitely she took memories (she actually thought she was Ms. Marvel for a time, if I remember correctly. I read Xmen comics as a kid but it's been quite a few years :oldrazz: ). In the movie, I seem to recall her mentioning her first boyfriend in X1 still being in her head months later. And I'd swear Professor X mentions that she takes memories somewhere in X1 where he's describing her powers (to Logan?) but I don't have time to rewatch the movie at the moment.

It is a shame they didn't mention it more, she's got some interesting guys in her head now... Wolvie, Pyro, Magneto... that's a lot of pain to take on! lol!

Where is your X4 story if you don't mind me asking?

I just thought of something that X3 line "You're a guy, that's all you think about!" lol! She knows this from experience with her powers!

[ToriL90]

Thanks. :cwink:

As far as the comic book Rogue is concerned - most definitely she took memories (she actually thought she was Ms. Marvel for a time, if I remember correctly. I read Xmen comics as a kid but it's been quite a few years :oldrazz: ).I definitely remember Ms. Marvel! I know about it in the comics, which is why I'm doing it in my script. Actually, I'm in the same position as you - I haven't read a comic in over 10 years! :wow: I work mostly from Wikipedia, which is why I embarrass myself on here sometimes. ><

In the movie, I seem to recall her mentioning her first boyfriend in X1 still being in her head months later. And I'd swear Professor X mentions that she takes memories somewhere in X1 where he's describing her powers (to Logan?) but I don't have time to rewatch the movie at the moment. She does say she can "still feel him inside my head", but I always thought that went more toward the touching aspect, not like she felt his psyche. I guess I might have misunderstood. As for Logan, didn't Xavier just say "life force"?

It is a shame they didn't mention it more, she's got some interesting guys in her head now... Wolvie, Pyro, Magneto... that's a lot of pain to take on! lol!I know! I'd have loved her to say something about Weapon X to Logan in the train station in X1.

Where is your X4 story if you don't mind me asking?

I just thought of something that X3 line "You're a guy, that's all you think about!" lol! She knows this from experience with her powers!Hmm, interesting observation. Maybe she wasn't just being snotty. :oldrazz:

[ToriL90]

Where is your X4 story if you don't mind me asking?
Oops, forgot to answer this last night. I'm still working on my script - hoping to be done by the end of the summer. :yay:

[travelingpyro]

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[X-Maniac]

Well... it would have been a fun scene to see but I am glad that they did the museum scene the way it was (though I would have liked a little more just before, showing what led up to the two guys coming over). I think that having the scene as it is in this script would have undermined both the Rogue/Bobby tension in the story and undermined Pyro's characterization and change to the "dark side."

Here's why, imo, in the case of Bobby/Rogue or Rogue anybody, if you have her going around for three movies acting like she can't touch anybody or she'll kill or severely hurt them - she best not touch anybody. For her to be then messing around with Pyro and taking his power would make that whole part if the plot pretty much meaningless.

In the case of Pyro's change of sides, the way it came across on screen I really think that Rogue taking his lifeforce at that moment was a major part of why he left the Jet in the first place, and eventually went with Magneto. She not only took his powers, which was probably humiliating enough for him, but she would have taken on his feelings and memories and all that stuff. And I really think that was too bitter a pill for him to take. She would have known about any abuse he would have suffered from his father/mother before going to Xavier's (if any), she would have known if he had a crush on her, she would have known of his feelings of jealousy over Bobby and his family, she would have known the darker parts of his heart. It's a shame that the campfire scene (the one that was filmed, not in this script) was not in the movie because that really brought across for me the feelings of humiliation, inadequecy, and lonliness he was feeling and you get the feeling that Rogue knows he's ticked at her for what she did and is upset/hurt by that in return. In the script and in the book, he actually lashes out on Bobby when he starts that fire, which I'm glad they changed because that just makes him look like a jerk there. The way Aaron played it you've got a confused kid who's just had his entire life and feelings forcibly removed from him and handed over the girl he (probably) likes. Finally he gives in and "helps" with the fire but is still not speaking to her - so she storms off hurt.

That's a brilliant bit of interpretation and extrapolation. I'd love to hear more of your 'takes' on other scenes in the trilogy. :up:

[scorchedmuse]

ToriL90 oh, okay. Let me know if you need someone to take a look at it. :cwink:

X-Maniac Thanks :) I don't mean to yammer on so... lol... I would like to post more in the other threads/subjects but haven't had time so far.

[ToriL90]

ToriL90 oh, okay. Let me know if you need someone to take a look at it. :cwink:
Ooh, you like my ideas so far? :word:

[scorchedmuse]

Ooh, you like my ideas so far? :word:

Sure. Sounds interesting!

[scorchedmuse]

Here's something to discuss, in the X3 novel when Mystique is changed to human and Magneto leaves her, it says that Pyro hesitates leaving her (he's the only one who does). And of course, we have that moment/look he gives when Magneto indicates that he's abandoning her to support what's in the novelization.

So, given this, what do you suppose the relationship is between Pyro and Mystique during the period between X2 and X3? Why does he hesitate? What is she to him? A surrogate "mom" (with Magneto being "dad")? A seductress to the dark side? (she could be anybody he wanted, after all ;) ) Rivals? Friends? A bit of both? Discuss! :D

[ToriL90]

Here's something to discuss, in the X3 novel when Mystique is changed to human and Magneto leaves her, it says that Pyro hesitates leaving her (he's the only one who does). And of course, we have that moment/look he gives when Magneto indicates that he's abandoning her to support what's in the novelization.

So, given this, what do you suppose the relationship is between Pyro and Mystique during the period between X2 and X3? Why does he hesitate? What is she to him? A surrogate "mom" (with Magneto being "dad")? A seductress to the dark side? (she could be anybody he wanted, after all ;) ) Rivals? Friends? A bit of both? Discuss! :D
Well, here's what happens in my script with Pyro, Mystique, and Magneto:

With Magneto gone, Pyro takes control. He recruits a couple new members (Avalanche and Tempo), and also re-recruits Mystique as a secret agent, as Senator Graydon Creed hires her as a secretary in a move to improve the public image of the cure (thinking, of course, that he's smart enough to protect against her). There, she gets information on the Sentinels and Project:Wideawake, and relays the information to Pyro.

Then, Magneto returns. Pyro gladly hands the throne back to his mentor and updates him on all the latest workings of the Brotherhood... Well, almost all of them. With what went down between Magneto and Mystique, he is a bit hesitant to tell Magneto that he recruited somebody Magneto let go - a human, no less.

Then, Mystique calls Pyro. Her powers came back, and she killed Senator Creed. Knowing that the cure is ineffective and noting Pyro's near whisper, she determines that Magneto is back, and doesn't know that she is, too. She gives him a little lecture (“Oh, for Heaven’s sake, Pyro - be a man! You’ve led the Brotherhood for five months; now stand up for your decisions!”), and forces him to tell Magneto by letting him know that she'll be coming to the Brotherhood base to discuss their next move, now that she's a mutant and the Senator is dead.

Before Pyro can tell Magneto, however, Magneto lets him know that he knew from the moment Mystique was hired as a Senator's secretary.

For the rest of it, I'll just post a scene I wrote:


Magneto and Mystique are sitting opposite each other. Mystique’s arms are folded and her legs are crossed. She looks very hostile. Magneto, too, seems pretty hostile. Pyro is pacing behind Mystique.
PYRO: “We can’t afford to lose you as a mole right now. Can you take Creed’s place for a while?”
MYSTIQUE: *Glaring at Magneto* “Of course.”
MAGNETO: “Why did you come back?”
MYSTIQUE: *Snapping at him* “I didn’t do it for you. I did it for the cause.”
MGNETO: *Sarcastic* “Of course. This entire arrangement was purely strategic…” *After a significant pause, looks at Pyro* “…Wasn’t it, Pyro?”
PYRO: *Stops pacing, surprised* “What? Me?”
MYSTIQUE: “That’s what happens when you recruit one of Xavier’s students. Pyro has been a good member, but he hasn’t quite shaken that misguided sense of loyalty. That’s why he rehired me; that’s why he so readily gave the Brotherhood back to you.”
Pyro looks angry.
MAGNETO: “Mm, you’re one to talk.”
MYSTIQUE: “What do you mean?”
MAGNETO: “You revealed our location to the government after we left you.”
MYSTIQUE: “And…?”
MAGNETO: “You knew we would move.”
Mystique just glares.


There's also a later scene in which Pyro goes to Magneto for girl advice (in leiu of Mastermind, he's the character who sexually harasses Scarlet Witch, only he's serious about her), and Magneto implies that he had a relationship with Mystique.

[ToriL90]

Where are all the Pyro fans? :(

[Pyroschik]

here's one. :)

[ToriL90]

here's one. :)
Then why ain'tcha talkin'?! :oldrazz:

[Pyroschik]

idk becasue nobody else is. :)

i'll start now i guess. i love his powers! they're so awesome!

[ToriL90]

idk becasue nobody else is. :)

i'll start now i guess. i love his powers! they're so awesome!
How's about answering this question that was posted a little while ago?

Here's something to discuss, in the X3 novel when Mystique is changed to human and Magneto leaves her, it says that Pyro hesitates leaving her (he's the only one who does). And of course, we have that moment/look he gives when Magneto indicates that he's abandoning her to support what's in the novelization.Great Q. I'm surprised it didn't spark any conversation. :(

Or you could answer my answer (You can't miss it - it's too long lol). :woot:

[Pyroschik]

lolz. im surprised i missed that Q. I believe that they're still good in him even thought he went with magneto. he was abandoned himself at a very young age and so by leaving mystique there all alone makes him feel guilty.

[ToriL90]

lolz. im surprised i missed that Q. I believe that they're still good in him even thought he went with magneto. he was abandoned himself at a very young age and so by leaving mystique there all alone makes him feel guilty.
I agree. In my script, as seen above, Mystique attributes his "misguided sense of loyalty" to the fact that he was initially a student of Xavier's. I'm not sure if that's actually the case, or if he would have had those kinds of tendencies regardless of Xavier.

I think that, though he's a villian, there are a lot of redeeming qualities about the Pyro character, and he's actually quite sympathetic.

[Pyroschik]

yea, and i think that he still would've had those tendences without Xavier b/c thats the kind of guy he is. i think he uses being tough as sort of like a mask to hide his sentimental side.

[ToriL90]

yea, and i think that he still would've had those tendences without Xavier b/c thats the kind of guy he is. i think he uses being tough as sort of like a mask to hide his sentimental side.
I think so. I see him as somebody who has had a really hard life, who is very angry inside, and who may be misguided in a lot of ways; but the one thing that guides him as much - or maybe even more - than his anger is his sense of loyalty. Maybe it's because of the betrayal he experienced as a child, that he hates betrayal so much.

In case anybody's about to bring it up: No, I don't consider his leaving Xavier's school to join the Brotherhood a betrayal. He was never really loyal to Xavier, so there was no trust to betray.

I don't see him as being capable on an emotional level of leaving the Brotherhood that way. He's truly given all of himself to Magneto and his cause.

[Pyroschik]

yup. i totally agree with you. i think that since being in the brotherhood he feels more included in things and understood, compared to being with Xavier where he felt sort of left out. When he was with Xavier i think that he was always trying to better himself in order to be happy, but i don't think he ever truly fit in with everyone else.

[ToriL90]

yup. i totally agree with you. i think that since being in the brotherhood he feels more included in things and understood, compared to being with Xavier where he felt sort of left out. When he was with Xavier i think that he was always trying to better himself in order to be happy, but i don't think he ever truly fit in with everyone else.
Would you think about entering the Manip competition? I'd love to do a Pyro manip, but I don't have any action scenes with Pyro and a new character until the final battle with the Sentinels, and I haven't written nearly enough of that scene to do any manips of it. I do have a non-action power display with Scarlet Witch and a minor show of power against Magneto, but neither scene really qualifies for the competition. Since I can't do it, I'd love to see one from somebody else. There aren't nearly enough Pyro manips out there! :csad:

[Pyroschik]

I would love to enter, but i don't know how to manip pictures. :( Sorry. but i do have 2 agree w/u. we definately need a LOT more Pyro manips.

[scorchedmuse]

Hey Sorry I've been a very bad Pyro fan lately. Busy lately. :csad:



Then, Magneto returns. Pyro gladly hands the throne back to his mentor and updates him on all the latest workings of the Brotherhood... Well, almost all of them. With what went down between Magneto and Mystique, he is a bit hesitant to tell Magneto that he recruited somebody Magneto let go - a human, no less.

Then, Mystique calls Pyro. Her powers came back, and she killed Senator Creed. Knowing that the cure is ineffective and noting Pyro's near whisper, she determines that Magneto is back, and doesn't know that she is, too. She gives him a little lecture (“Oh, for Heaven’s sake, Pyro - be a man! You’ve led the Brotherhood for five months; now stand up for your decisions!”), and forces him to tell Magneto by letting him know that she'll be coming to the Brotherhood base to discuss their next move, now that she's a mutant and the Senator is dead.
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Interesting I dont know that I really buy him just handing the reigns back over. I think he'd like being in charge too much. :cwink: But as with anything it depends on how it's actually written.

I'd like to see Magneto and Mystique's return of powers given more drama and dragged out more in stories or in an X4 if there is one. It seems like it should be a bigger deal than just to have them both be back and everything is back to "normal". (of course, oftentimes summaries don't do justice to the story written, that may be the case here.)

edit: You knew we would move. lol He's got her there! However, I'm of the opinion that she was really hoping he wouldn't. ;)

[ToriL90]

Hey Sorry I've been a very bad Pyro fan lately. Busy lately. :csad:



Interesting I dont know that I really buy him just handing the reigns back over. I think he'd like being in charge too much. :cwink: But as with anything it depends on how it's actually written.

I'd like to see Magneto and Mystique's return of powers given more drama and dragged out more in stories or in an X4 if there is one. It seems like it should be a bigger deal than just to have them both be back and everything is back to "normal". (of course, oftentimes summaries don't do justice to the story written, that may be the case here.)

edit: You knew we would move. lol He's got her there! However, I'm of the opinion that she was really hoping he wouldn't. ;)
In my script, Pyro does hand the reigns right back over to Magneto. Mystique addresses this as she addesses his re-hiring her. She says, "That’s what happens when you recruit one of Xavier’s students. Pyro has been a good member, but he hasn’t quite shaken that misguided sense of loyalty. That’s why he rehired me; that’s why he so readily gave the Brotherhood back to you.” Pyro is right in the room when she says this. He doesn't say anything, because he knows deep down that she's right, but it does make him angry when he realizes what a "wimp" he was. Later on, there will be an unrelated scene where I hope to imply that he's "proving Mystique wrong" when he confronts Magneto and actually threatens to "reduce you to a mesely pile of ashes". :word: Really, it relates back to what I said about Pyro's deeply-ingrained sense of loyalty, conflicting with his equally-deep anger.

PS: That Magneto-Mystique exchange is one of my favorites. I like how they know everything about the other before the other even knows. Magneto knew that she would tell, Mystique knew he knew, and he knew she knew he knew. XD

[scorchedmuse]

I think so. I see him as somebody who has had a really hard life, who is very angry inside, and who may be misguided in a lot of ways; but the one thing that guides him as much - or maybe even more - than his anger is his sense of loyalty. Maybe it's because of the betrayal he experienced as a child, that he hates betrayal so much.

In case anybody's about to bring it up: No, I don't consider his leaving Xavier's school to join the Brotherhood a betrayal. He was never really loyal to Xavier, so there was no trust to betray.

I don't see him as being capable on an emotional level of leaving the Brotherhood that way. He's truly given all of himself to Magneto and his cause.


I agree that he's had hard time in one way or another and that he had trouble fitting in at Xavier's etc.

I'm working on a Pyro origins piece that's going to tackle my own take on his upbringing and what it was like for him at the school so I've been thinking about this lately. You would think with all the kids at the school, many runaways as described in the first movie, that he would have found more in common with the other students than he did though. Bobby obviously, is his opposite in more than the "powers" sense ;) but Rogue and some of the other "runaways" should have connected with him more I would have thought. Is it just that big old chip on his shoulder that kept them away? Or do you suppose they were afraid of him because of his powers? Or some other reasons for the lack of connection?

[Pyroschik]

I think that the chip on his shoulder made him seem very intimidating towards the other students so instead of getting to know him better they decided to leave him alone.

[scorchedmuse]

I think that the chip on his shoulder made him seem very intimidating towards the other students so instead of getting to know him better they decided to leave him alone.

I definitely think that's part of it, yes.

Something else that always bugged me in X2. Storm comes over to Jean and Scott and asked where Rogue and Bobby are but no "oh, and John too." Nothing! Not a mention of our boy at all! grrr!

So what was that about? Had she given up on him already? Too many frozen fireballs in the classroom? lol

[Pyroschik]

lolz. I know rite!! That part always bothered me 2. :( She proabably was tired of all the trouble he was causing so she decided not to mention him. Or maybe she figured he'd rather be by himself than with everyone else.

[ToriL90]

I agree that he's had hard time in one way or another and that he had trouble fitting in at Xavier's etc.

I'm working on a Pyro origins piece that's going to tackle my own take on his upbringing and what it was like for him at the school so I've been thinking about this lately. You would think with all the kids at the school, many runaways as described in the first movie, that he would have found more in common with the other students than he did though. Bobby obviously, is his opposite in more than the "powers" sense ;) but Rogue and some of the other "runaways" should have connected with him more I would have thought. Is it just that big old chip on his shoulder that kept them away? Or do you suppose they were afraid of him because of his powers? Or some other reasons for the lack of connection?
In my script, he goes a lot further than just being a runaway. I think I mentioned it in this thread earlier, actually.

Pyro's problems began long before his mutation manifested. His parents divorced when he was about 12. He was better off that way. His father was abusive to both him and his mother, and his mother was a neglectful tramp. Of course, neither of them stopped after the divorce. In fact, Pyro's powers manifested while his father was grinding a cigarette into Pyro's arm. After the manifestation, Pyro's father gave him the worst beating of his life (and that's pretty darn bad). With his newfound power, Pyro takes revenge by burning down his father's house with his father in it. It's after this that he runs away and joins Xavier's school.

In X5, while he's dying of the Legacy Virus, Storm and Magneto discuss his time at the school and his subsequent relationship with Magneto. That'll pick up where X4 leaves off.

After joining Xavier's mansion, He finds that he doesn't really fit in with the frightened children in need of a loving role model. He's angry, in ways the others aren't. Sure, he's a mutant now, but he's been an outcast his whole life: now, it's just more obvious. Like the others, he needed a father figure, which Charles tried to be, but it was like they lived on different planets. They just could not make a connection. Magneto came along, and he was able to fill the void. He became the father figure Pyro never had and so desperately wanted. He belongs. That's why he is so devoted to Magneto and the Brotherhood, and why he was so willing to give the Brotherhood back to Magneto when he returns.

[scorchedmuse]

Yes I remember you mentioning what you had for his past before. Very sad. :csad: Poor Pyro. I don't suppose there is any way he could have had a happy family background, is there?

What are people's feelings on whether Charles and the other Xmen tried to get John back with them after X2? I know they've got too much going on at the end of the movie but afterwards? Wouldnt' they have at least tried? Couldn't the Professor have used Cerebro to find him and try to reason with him? Shouldn't Bobby, Rogue, or even Wolverine (who seemed the most bothered by his leaving than any of the "adlults") have gone after him?

[ToriL90]

What are people's feelings on whether Charles and the other Xmen tried to get John back with them after X2? I know they've got too much going on at the end of the movie but afterwards? Wouldnt' they have at least tried? Couldn't the Professor have used Cerebro to find him and try to reason with him? Shouldn't Bobby, Rogue, or even Wolverine (who seemed the most bothered by his leaving than any of the "adlults") have gone after him?I think that ties in to what I said: everybody knew he felt like an outcast in Xavier's school. They may have cared about him, but they knew he couldn't come back - actually, it may be because they cared that they couldn't try to get him back. He finally belonged somewhere. I know it warmed my heart to see him finally belong, and I hadn't spent however many years watching him not belong. I can imagine something like this:

INT. XAVIER'S MANSION - XAVIER'S OFFICE - MORNING

All the remaining X-Men are gathered, mourning the loss they just suffered. Jean Grey: a sister to Storm, a daughter to Xavier, a lover to Scott, and the unrequited love of Logan.

But there is another member they lost: Pyro. He was a smart-aleck and a troublemaker, but he was somebody who left his mark on the X-Men. Now, he was preparing to make his home in the Brotherhood.

LOGAN: "We should look for Pyro. Can't you use Cerebro-"

BOBBY: *Cutting Logan off* "Let him go, Logan."

ROGUE: "He'll be happier with Magneto."

XAVIER: "He never wanted to be with us, Logan. He just had no place else to go. Now... He does."

Silence.

(Segues into the scene where they're all talking about Jean. The only thing that would have to change about that scene would be the number of people in the room: all the X-Men instead of just Scott, Logan, and Xavier.)

Something like that would've been cool. I just wrote that in the last five minutes, so it may not be perfect, but it gives you an idea of what I would've liked to see.