Overall thoughts of Spidey being an Avenger: Good or Bad?

[Chris Wallace]

I think that while it makes for some great stories, it can threaten his solo image. Spider-Man kinda loses his edge a little bit, IMO, when he can call Cap & Iron Man any time he wants. He's broke, but he lives in a fabulous tower. At the same time, it's fun seeing him mix it up, cling to Iron Man's armor & give Cap a "Bucky" flashback. Thoughts? :spidey:

[Citizen_Kaine]

Meh, I was really down on it in January, esp at the time there was all this hype about Spidey giving up his secret identity when he joined the Avengers. I liked the New Avengers arc in Amazing, But I'm still not a big fan of NA as Spidey seems to be there only to make comments and sell more issues. He'll leave the NA eventually as recent interviews seem to hint, so I don't really care:spidey:

[CaptainStacy]

I love it so far, and i don't really see Spider-Man's edge suffering in the least. I mean, if anything, Peter carried the fight against Hydra in the current story arc....if not for HIM, Hydra would have won.

The Avengers had no clue what was about to happen. Peter figured it all out by himself, no?

As far as other heroes backing him, well; that's been going on since ASM #16.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Close Cap, but Annual 1 came out before ASM 16, and everyhero he meets asks if he needs some help.

[CaptainStacy]

Even better!

[SpideyInATree]

At first I was pretty mixed on it and then after the first two issues of New Avengers I was kind of sad to see Spidey on the team. But it's grown on me and it's a new dynamic for the Spider-Man/Peter Parker character as well as the fans and readers. I like when Marvel is willing to take some chances and do something different with long time characters instead of keeping them in the same old song and dance. But lately there is worry whether the boys at Marvel can do it well, heh.

But overall, it's a good thing. I see in the latest Other interviews that it's being severely hinted at that Spidey isn't really going to be with the team too much longer anyhow.

And as Cap. Stacy pointed out, it's not like it's the first time he's had assistance from other Marvel heroes. He's been teaming up with other heroes since the very early days and even before the full membership to the Avengers Spidey was at one time a Reserve Avenger for the longest time. So, it's not exactly a crazy strange thing. :o

[Chris Wallace]

Don't get me wrong. I Am enjoying it. And JMS, Hudlin & a few others are exploiting it well. The Hydra story is awesome. I just wonder if it could hurt the book in a few months.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Well, I haven't been reading New Avengers, but everything I've seen seems to cement what everyone else is saying about Spidey just being there to be the "wisecracking little kid" of the book.

The New Avengers arc in Amazing has been alright, and if this is any basis I think most of the core Spidey titles are going to remain with Spider-Man primarily in a solo role, with the other Avengers mainly as a supporting cast. And these days in the Spidey books, ANY supporting cast will do.

So, until they totally screw things up - even Pete moving in to Avengers Tower has been handled well so far, I think - I'm indifferent.

[jaydawg]

Definatly a good thing. Its the logical next step in Spidey's superhero social status. I just wish Bendis chose a better and more diverse roster for the team. How great would it be if Human Torch was on the team?

[Chris Wallace]

No work would get done. He & Spidey would be too busy trading barbs.

[CaptainStacy]

Johnny Storm is the only original FF member who never served a term as an Avenger....

[Jasmine]

Loving it. Really enjoying the interactions with his teammates. :spidey:

[moffball]

I'm really enjoying it too. JMS current arc is probably the best or one of the best since I've started buying comics last January and I've been enjoying it. MKSM is pretty vanilla, it's not horrible anymore but it's not great yet either. And I've been enjoying New Avengers. I think it's hard for us Spidey fans to see him as almost a second-stringer but, from what I gather, Avengers always has been and always will be more Cap and Iron Man's book than anything, and I'm okay with that. Especially since Spidey's titles are doing such a great job of it.

The one thing I am worried about though: continuity. It's been terrible all the way through with NA being way at the beginning and MKSM and ASM being much farther along. I just get this bad feeling we're going to get to The Other in ASM, MKSM, and FNSM and Spidey will leave the NA but he'll still be in it in the NA titles. Argh. That, more than anything, will bug me.

[Happenstance]

I wasnt sure about Spidey being with the Avengers when it was 1st announced. Reading through New Avengers now im still not convinced, it always seems like hes there for the comic relief. Now in ASM with the Avengers he is shown as a proper member of the team which I think is so much better.

In the end I think I will be happier when he leaves and we get back to Spider-Man having to get out of problems himself and not writers simply using his Avenger buddies to bail him out

[OtepApe]

I wasn't convinced when it was announced that Spidey would become an Avenger, I still haven't deceided as of yet. He hasn't really done much, to warrant if it's a success or not yet. He seems to be the comic relief of the book so far. There's nothing wrong with Spidey making wisecracks, it's one of the things we like so much about him, but he could do with a little more substance.

Hudlin and JMS are doing more with him as an Avenger whether it be good or bad. But as of yet in New Avengers, I haven't decided yet.

[Sweeney Todd]

It'll be fun while it lasts, which I don't think will be very long. Sooner or later somebody's going to run headlong into the problem that having Spidey on a team naturally poses: why don't they help him out when he's getting his ass kicked by Morlun, Doctor Octopus, the Lizard, a clone or whoever happens to be stalking his wife this week?? :confused: They can choose to handle it the way Stan did back in the first annual ("No thanks, I can handle this myself!") but when you've got Spider-Man running for his life every other month it starts to get increasingly implausible and limits what you can do with his rogues gallery without the Avengers showing up.

I agree that Peter's being handled a lot better in ASM than in NA when it comes to his place on the team, but it is his flagship title. I would expect him to be. Yeah, he's little more than a wisecracking jackass in NA who isn't even being given a shot at his own foes (Electro, Carnage, Hydro-Man) but I can't complain too much; Wolverine's getting the same raw deal he is (and having Logan there opens another can of worms, since now you've got all the X-Men waiting in the wings too). :xmen:

OTOH, this isn't a bad team for Peter. I have an easier time seeing him on a team with Captain America, Wolverine, Daredevil (maybe...) and Spider-Woman than the Vision, Wanda, the Black Widow, Quasar or the Wasp.

[Chris Wallace]

True. It's the most compatible lineup for him. Like I said, I'm loving it so far.

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

At first I was a little skeptical, but I think that I like it now. Obviously I like the way that JMS is writing Spidey than Bendis is, but NA isn't a Spidey book, so that's understandable. I think it should last for another year or two, and then have him go back to his solo ways.

[super-jide]

Johnny Storm is the only original FF member who never served a term as an Avenger....

No herbie the robot was.:D

[super-jide]

I like to see spider-man join the JLA,that would rock

[Happenstance]

Wow, I can tell im not gonna like you already

[zanos]

I think that while it makes for some great stories, it can threaten his solo image. Spider-Man kinda loses his edge a little bit, IMO, when he can call Cap & Iron Man any time he wants. He's broke, but he lives in a fabulous tower. At the same time, it's fun seeing him mix it up, cling to Iron Man's armor & give Cap a "Bucky" flashback. Thoughts? :spidey:

It was a horrible idea. Spider-man has always been a loner. Him joining the Avengers out of the blue just wasn't consistent with the character.

[spider-jide]

Clearly, that idiot venom sucks is still bitter but whatever.

I personally think spidey's involvement with the avengers is a good idea on a short term scale, as a means of thourough interaction with other Marvel heroes but other than that I prefer spidey to be on his own and I'm looking foward to spidey returning to his solo gig.

[Gambits' Ace]

i love spidey but he should not be an avenger, he's much better on his own

[Jimmy-San]

I like it. It's clear he's a fish out of water, and it's cool to see him in a different environment for a time. I don't want what he does to be stagnant.


I don't think he's really just "comic releif" either. He's definitely a morale booster, going by The Sentry and Daredevil's comments. He also did the best against The Wrecker in #7, and it was his web-net in #8 that finished The Wrecker off. In #9, on one page, Spidey is shown occupying The Void in battle as others are down, and Cap's about to leap back into it. On the last page of the issue, it looks like all the heroes who were actively fighting The Void are KOed except Cap and Spidey. Cap is on his knees, but Spidey's still standing. OK, hunched over and dazed, but standing nonetheless. How is the last man standing against The Void merely comic relief?


I also think, like in House of M#1 and #6, Spidey's been kind of acting as the down to Earth voice of reason among the team. Kind of like what a normal guy is thinking when stuck between right wing and left wing politicians. Spidey would be the non-partisan normal citizen voter voicing the logical view that others are thinking but aren't saying.


As for the comedy, I love it. Bendis nails Spidey's comedy well. Robert Kirkman in MTU is doing so as well. JMS has been inconsistent with it, but has came through in his latest arc.


-Jimmy

[Gregatron]

Bad. Spider-Man has always worked better as a solo character. He's the guy who makes mistakes, who is still learning the craft. He's the guy who looks in awe at the "real" super-heroes running around. He's the guy who sits on the sidelines eating popcorn with Daredevil while the Avengers and the FF attack Galactus. He's the guy who works best fighting street-level crime and low-powered egomaniacs like Dr. Octopus, not cosmic-powered fiends like Thanos or Kang.

Just another in a long series of steps taking Spidey away from what he was meant to be.

[KingOfDreams]

Spidey has always been a loner, and that's become a big part of who he is. So while I am enjoying New Avengers, overall I do not like the idea of Spider-Man being a part of a team.

[Jimmy-San]

That's not the original portrayal of Spidey, Gragatron, and IMO that Byrne FF issue was RIDICULOUS! Spidey being like "I'm useless" while THE FRIGGIN' WASP helps out against Galactus??? That was beyond weak.


Spidey shouldn't be limited (and most writers, including Stan Lee, haven't limited him in this way) to fighting one power level or being in one set of situations.


He should range from fighting street levellers way below him in alloes, to guys like Ock and Venom who face him on a grander scale, to cosmic menaces. Of those, the middle option is the most at home for him. He should feel like he's playing in the junior leagues at the time whenever he fights Bullseye, but should know he's out of his league when tackling Magneto.


IMO, Spidey actually gets elevated in how interesting he is when he's facing things out of his element, which is why I beleive Stan Lee gave him such a varied rogue's gallery.


-Jimmy

[kamesan]

They've done that already somewhere in the '70's. The reason that he didn't get abducted in the Avenger's ranks is b-cuz he has too many feredal warrants or something to that effect.:spidey:

[Gregatron]

That's not the original portrayal of Spidey, Gragatron, and IMO that Byrne FF issue was RIDICULOUS! Spidey being like "I'm useless" while THE FRIGGIN' WASP helps out against Galactus??? That was beyond weak.


Spidey shouldn't be limited (and most writers, including Stan Lee, haven't limited him in this way) to fighting one power level or being in one set of situations.


He should range from fighting street levellers way below him in alloes, to guys like Ock and Venom who face him on a grander scale, to cosmic menaces. Of those, the middle option is the most at home for him. He should feel like he's playing in the junior leagues at the time whenever he fights Bullseye, but should know he's out of his league when tackling Magneto.


IMO, Spidey actually gets elevated in how interesting he is when he's facing things out of his element, which is why I beleive Stan Lee gave him such a varied rogue's gallery.


-Jimmy


The occasional cosmic baddie MIGHT be okay, but cosmic stuff and magic have never worked with Spidey. He should be in enough trouble with clowns like Doc Ock and the Scorpion. He's a loner who's always in trouble. Let the Avengers and the rest save the WORLD. Spidey's got himself, his loved ones, and the city to worry about.

[Jimmy-San]

Well, Doc Ock's also been a threat to Iron Man and Reed Richards before. Spidey has a varied rogue's gallery --- some are major threats; others aren't.


As for cosmic and magic stuff "never" working, I must disagree ... In fact, one of the team-ups with Dr. Strange late in Lee's run is Romita's favorite story he ever worked on ... Stan Lee alone had Spidey mix it up with The Silver Surfer, Dr. Doom, The Fantastic Four, The Hulk, and Xandu (with Dr. Strange). He had a few Spidey/Strange team-ups.


Spidey being a "street hero" is something I think is left over from the early 70's. In reality, he's been battling cosmic types as much as pitifully powered street levellers. On average, he's somewhere between those two extremes, though leaning more to the street types.


-Jimmy

[CaptainStacy]

That's not the original portrayal of Spidey, Gragatron, and IMO that Byrne FF issue was RIDICULOUS! Spidey being like "I'm useless" while THE FRIGGIN' WASP helps out against Galactus??? That was beyond weak.


Spidey shouldn't be limited (and most writers, including Stan Lee, haven't limited him in this way) to fighting one power level or being in one set of situations.

I agree whole heartedly. While i absolutely LOVE Byrne's run on FF, i always thought that scene during the battle with Galactus was bogus. There is no way on earth Peter would sit back and let his allies take all the risk, especially with the fate of the planet at stake.

That to me was a very poor example of who and what Peter Parker is.

[Gregatron]

I agree whole heartedly. While i absolutely LOVE Byrne's run on FF, i always thought that scene during the battle with Galactus was bogus. There is no way on earth Peter would sit back and let his allies take all the risk, especially with the fate of the planet at stake.

That to me was a very poor example of who and what Peter Parker is.


On the contrary, it shows that Peter is SMART enough to know when he's outclassed, and when to leave the big jobs to the big guns, like the Avengers.

What could Spider-Man do against GALACTUS, an entity with more cosmic power than we mere mortals can dream of (even weakened as he was in FF # 242-244)? Spray webbing in his face? Leap around and punch him?

Indeed, the original Secret Wars series showed us what Spidey could do in a battle with Galactus---he almost got STEPPED ON by him.

[CaptainStacy]

I'd wager that Peter could have easily brought as much to the table as Reed, Cap, and Wasp did...if not more so.

And since when has being out classed ever hindered Spider-Man before? Certainly not the times he has gone into battle against Juggernaut, Firelord, Morlun, Iron Man 2020, The Hulk, etc.,....

[LobokDaikon]

On the contrary, it shows that Peter is SMART enough to know when he's outclassed, and when to leave the big jobs to the big guns, like the Avengers.

What could Spider-Man do against GALACTUS, an entity with more cosmic power than we mere mortals can dream of (even weakened as he was in FF # 242-244)? Spray webbing in his face? Leap around and punch him?

Indeed, the original Secret Wars series showed us what Spidey could do in a battle with Galactus---he almost got STEPPED ON by him.

You never know if you don't try. And isn't that what being a superhero is all about? The super means their powers, and the hero means they do heroic things, they overcome the odds. I mean, you cite the original Secret Wars when Spider-Man didn't do much, but what about against Firelord? He beat someone he had no business beating, all by himself, although with the help of many conveniently located abandoned buildings. What could he do when flanked by some of the greatest assembled heroes on the planet? That's what the Avengers are all about. Many of their ranks aren't any more powerful or versatile than Spider-Man, but collectively, they face cosmic threats.

[Captivated]

Does Spider-man work as a New Avenger? I guess it depends on the writer and story. :down:up:

I was looking forward to the possibilities, but have enjoyed the New Avengers less and less and less... For the most part his role has been minor to insignificant... characterized as goofy second-stringer, who has impulse-control issues. I know he's not the main character, but there is so little of him here, it's getting close to a deal-killer for me.

I usually get HC books of titles I collect, but I'm stopping with the single issues... no reason to re-read or collect IMO. I may stop buying altogether and just glance over them in the store.

But, on the other hand, I have really enjoyed him being a New Avenger in Breakout and ASM. The Hydra story has been great. The potential is working there. As a Spidey fan, I'm obviously going to enjoy it more with Spider-man in a staring role, and the other Avengers as a supporting cast (I agree, he really needed some supporting characters). :)

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Bad. Spider-Man has always worked better as a solo character. He's the guy who makes mistakes, who is still learning the craft. He's the guy who looks in awe at the "real" super-heroes running around. He's the guy who sits on the sidelines eating popcorn with Daredevil while the Avengers and the FF attack Galactus. He's the guy who works best fighting street-level crime and low-powered egomaniacs like Dr. Octopus, not cosmic-powered fiends like Thanos or Kang.

Just another in a long series of steps taking Spidey away from what he was meant to be.

Your posts seem to be pretty down on Spidey to me. I get what you're saying about Galactus - but the same could be said about someone like Captain America. What does Cap bring to the table that Spider-Man can't?

As for the emboldened text, I would have to say this is a limited view of the character. This is an aspect of the character, yes - but one more accurate in 1962 than it is today. Peter Parker has grown and learned his craft. He's not a rookie super-hero. He's up there with the best of them, even if he himself doesn't realize it.

[Jimmy-San]

If you'd read the issue, Galactus was at his weakest ever. He was probably just a peg above Thanos in power at the time. He was literally near the brink of death from hunger. As I said, THE WASP helped out against Galactus, by distracting him. Why couldn't Spidey do the same thing? He did so against Omega, Thanos' Galactus clone in Infinity Abyss, ditto the Infinity Union-weilding Nebula, left himself open to attack by himself attacking Thanos to knock him off-balance (giving Thor 2 an opening to lay a real hurting on him) in IG, and did much the same against The Stranger.


Spidey could've at least web-tripped him or leapt around and annoyed him. Everyone there, except for Dr. Strange, Thor, Iron Man, The Thing, and maybe The Human Torch or Sue was completely useless as far as truly hurting Galactus (in fact even they were causing only minor damage), but Cap, Wasp, and Reed were providing strategies and distractions, which were helping their team.


I think one of the few good parts of "Sins Past" was that footage of Spidey's first "battle" with Galactus, where he was holding onto his foot as he was walking, yelling "Hey! Hey! Hey hey hey!"

Oh, and I do agree about the majority of Byrne's FF run --- some of Byrne's best stuff. It was a funny scene, but it would've worked better if Galactus had been at full power, and everyone except for Thor, Dr. Strange, and Iron Man stayed out of the direct confrontation the same as Spidey did.


I always enjoyed when Spidey, while briefly "dead", decided to slug Thanos (weilding The Infinity Gauntlet at the time) just to spite him.


Oh, and Figgnuts, Bendis himself said pretty much the exact same thing in his Wizard interview. ;)


-Jimmy

[Chris Wallace]

They've done that already somewhere in the '70's. The reason that he didn't get abducter in the Avenger's ranks is b-cuz he has too many feredal warrants or something to that effect.:spidey:
It's "inducted". I read that story not too long ago. Has no real bearing on now, though. :spidey:

[jaydawg]

This notion of spidey as a loner and rookie is simply foolish. This from the character that in canon, started at 15 and is currently 28. Thats 13 years of experience, in which he's had the most team-ups in marvel history. Hell, most of the time Marvel Team-up was around, it might have been called Spider-man team-up (and for a while it was). This guy has been at it since before the Avengers were even formed. Hell, the only modern heroes predating Spidey are the F4, Hulk and Antman. To say he's still learning is utter bull****. Ultimate Spidey is still learning, 616 is in his prime.

Still in awe of real heroes? I didnt know Spidey was Kyle Rayner. Hell, Spidey outclasses most of his peers when you think about he's great feats (he owned the X-men, beat down Galactus' former herald, beating Carnage ALONE and even KOed the Hulk). His rogues are no joke either. These days Electro could easily take on Superman (damn you Bendis!), since his earliest adventures hes been routinely battling the Sandman, Ock's intellegence is worthy of Iron Man or even Reed Richard's attention and the Goblin has put him through more crap than any villain ever has done to their respective hero.

Perphaps Spidey works better alone, but I just find it a nice change of pace. Like I said before, I just wish Bendis chose a better roster.

[JMT]

I'm gonna go with bad.
He never struck me as the type to be apart of a team.

[Chris Wallace]

This notion of spidey as a loner and rookie is simply foolish. This from the character that in canon, started at 15 and is currently 28. Thats 13 years of experience, in which he's had the most team-ups in marvel history. Hell, most of the time Marvel Team-up was around, it might have been called Spider-man team-up (and for a while it was). This guy has been at it since before the Avengers were even formed. Hell, the only modern heroes predating Spidey are the F4, Hulk and Antman. To say he's still learning is utter bull****. Ultimate Spidey is still learning, 616 is in his prime.

Still in awe of real heroes? I didnt know Spidey was Kyle Rayner. Hell, Spidey outclasses most of his peers when you think about he's great feats (he owned the X-men, beat down Galactus' former herald, beating Carnage ALONE and even KOed the Hulk). His rogues are no joke either. These days Electro could easily take on Superman (damn you Bendis!), since his earliest adventures hes been routinely battling the Sandman, Ock's intellegence is worthy of Iron Man or even Reed Richard's attention and the Goblin has put him through more crap than any villain ever has done to their respective hero.

Perphaps Spidey works better alone, but I just find it a nice change of pace. Like I said before, I just wish Bendis chose a better roster.
Loner? Yes. Rookie? No. He's oftne been treated like one, mainly by the more "hard-edged" heroes like Wolverine & DD. Now the vet Avengers still never cease to impress him, as shown when they came to help him against the Hydra knock-off Avengers. :spidey:

[hulkamania85]

I like it. It is something new and interesting as opposed to Spider-Man always fighting throwaway villains we never see again.

[Spectre722]

at first i was a little unkeen on the whole idea but the rationale they gave to it was pretty good and amazing in its simplicity. cap goes "hows that been working for you? the whole solo hero thing?" it makes sense because spidey's had such a bad rap and now he's part of the avengers. plus i really like the rapport he's struck up with cage. bendis said in wizard that we'd see alot of good moments between the two of them.

my only problem is that bendis writes him too much like an immature horn-dog. Meanwhile Straczinsky writes him like a tragic downer.

[Jimmy-San]

I'm still unsure what scenes from New Avengers made Spidey look like the team's "comic releif". He isn't hogging all the attention in a team book, sure, but I dont see how he's been treated as inferior to anyone else on the team. He was certainly able to hurt The Wrecker, and hold him with his webbing, which he was unable to do in his 80's confrontation with The Wrecker, so if anything, Bendis is writing a good Spidey in effectiveness ... He also looked to be the "last man standing" of the heroes The Void was actively fighting in #9, and in #4, Cage couldn't break his webbing. In #1-3, he took a massive beating from like 30 or so villains piling on him, and was still standing and kept fighting after help arrived. So what is it?


Daredevil and The Sentry's comments boost Spidey's own strength of character, and we've seen his bravery. Seems like it's the fact that he's talking and joking all the time, without the deep inner monologues. Lots of writers had Spidey's text like that before, especially in team books without so many thought bubbles and with guest appearances, but IMO that doesn't make him "comic releif", since joking's part of his character.


"I am The Void! I am the bringer of death and destruction to this world!"

"Aw, man, I'm sorry, we weren't really looking for a bringer of destruction ... But leave an application and we'll let you know if there's an opening"


Best line of the entire series there. :D


-Jimmy

[moffball]

This guy has been at it since before the Avengers were even formed. Hell, the only modern heroes predating Spidey are the F4, Hulk and Antman.

Honest question: wasn't Cap around before Spidey?

[LobokDaikon]

Cap was, but the Avengers weren't. Cap was before everybody as he's from the Golden Age.

[Brainiac 8]

That's not the original portrayal of Spidey, Gragatron, and IMO that Byrne FF issue was RIDICULOUS! Spidey being like "I'm useless" while THE FRIGGIN' WASP helps out against Galactus??? That was beyond weak.


Spidey shouldn't be limited (and most writers, including Stan Lee, haven't limited him in this way) to fighting one power level or being in one set of situations.


He should range from fighting street levellers way below him in alloes, to guys like Ock and Venom who face him on a grander scale, to cosmic menaces. Of those, the middle option is the most at home for him. He should feel like he's playing in the junior leagues at the time whenever he fights Bullseye, but should know he's out of his league when tackling Magneto.


IMO, Spidey actually gets elevated in how interesting he is when he's facing things out of his element, which is why I beleive Stan Lee gave him such a varied rogue's gallery.


-Jimmy

I agree, some writer limit his abilities, especially his mind. He's a SCIENTIST, not quite up to Reed Richards standards, but they really need to utilize that in the Avengers. (by the way as long as it is written well, I think a change of pace in a team situation is fine for Spidey)

As far as his strength goes, they sometimes forget how strong spidey can be, Remember, he has fought one of the heralds of Galactus by himself once...and won. It took him a while and wore him down, but he beat him. So give Spidey some respect sometimes.:up:

[Jimmy-San]

It should be noted Firelord opted againsta big city-destroying blast because he wanted to beat Spidey in "personal combat". Spidey also stunend The Silver Surfer with a wear-down, when SS was hindered by the Carnage symbiote.

He's actually beaten a good deal of folks at the level of power, but with speed and intelligence mainly, or webbing. I can give a list of references if need be, but this place doesn't really strike me as much of a "versus" type board.



I think Spidey has about as much a chance of beating someone in The Silver Surfer's class as, say, The Punisher has of beating Spidey himself. Of course, some characters have the numbers of other characters who are more powerful, as certain power-sets and mentalities match up better or worse with others ... I'm just speaking generally, however.



Anyway, you know, Spidey's really had the best one-liners of anyone in New Avengers.


-Jimmy

[i_play_SEGA]

i think its very cool.

[Gregatron]

The main reasons Spidey didn't participate in the Galactus battle in FF # 243 are:

1. It's the FF's book, not Spidey's.

2. His lack of participation created the opportunity for a nice bit of comedy relief with Daredevil.


It was clearly not a slight against Spider-Man's character in the least.

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Oh, and Figgnuts, Bendis himself said pretty much the exact same thing in his Wizard interview. ;)


Given the amount of hate Bendis takes around here, I'm not positive if I should take this as a compliment or an insult. ;)

2. His lack of participation created the opportunity for a nice bit of comedy relief with Daredevil.

Perhaps. I've never read the issue in question, but if I know the character of Spider-Man at all, I like to think he'd jump into the thick of it, putting his life on the line to do whatever he could to stop Galactus even if it cost him his life. Comedy relief is fine, but never if it comes at expense of the character.

This notion of spidey as a loner and rookie is simply foolish. This from the character that in canon, started at 15 and is currently 28. Thats 13 years of experience...

Jay, you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. My thoughts exactly.

[Chris Wallace]

Now I REALLY wish he'd never joined them.

[shinlyle]

Spidey joining the Avengers was the beginning of the end.

1-Spidey gets organic webbing, and joins the New Avengers.

2- Peter moves into Avengers tower, with his family in tow, and everyone living there automatically knows his identity. Totally out of character. Even the Torch didn't get to learn his identity until after that.

3- The Other occurs....worst storyline EVER.

4- Due to Peter's death and resurrection, Tony "gives" Peter a more advanced costume...consisting of Iron Man's colors, and makes Peter his sidekick.

5- Peter is played like a fiddle by Tony during the Titanium Man incident.

6- Peter loses his freakin' mind and unmasks on live television in fron of the entire world.

7- Peter goes against Cap.

8- Peter finds out that Tony, who has Thor clones and alterior motives behind every action, has been monitoring him via the Sidekick-Suit, due to Tony's knowledge of Peter's Spider-Sense.

9- Aunt May and Mary Jane are now dead women walking, as 2/3 of the 616 villians hate Spidey for some reason, and will inevitably kill them.

10- Peter will learn that he should have acted more responsibly and withheld his identity until the bitter end.....something he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt 44 freakin' years ago.


It's like a snowball that causes an avalanche.

[Chris Wallace]

By chance, shin, have you read the Sinister 6 novels by Adam Castro?