Suit, Muscle.. is Brandon the problem?

[Saph]

The two prominent complaints on these boards are:

1. The suit.

2. The muscle.

Any underwhelming presences caused by these 'problems' in Superman pictures, are blamed on:

1. The Costume Designer

2. Singer not telling Routh to bulk up.

Is it really the fault of them, or is it someone else? Is it..

..Routh?

I'm no Wellingite. I supported Routh when he was cast. Whenever I disliked something in this movie, I never blamed Routh.

Until now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Kyorca/050902_Superman_wide.png
We're all familiar with this picture. It flared up the argument on Routh's size, because this picture shows Routh as being very skinny, while other pictures show Reeve size.

I saw this manip:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg
Kudos to who made it.

This manip is, obviously, just Reeve pasted on Routh's body. And look at the difference.

The suit doesn't look so bad.

He doesn't look so small.

It appears that it is the actor that determines how things appear, not the suit, or his actual size.

And Routh doesn't create the same impression. Will he surpass Reeve? Not likely, going by these pictures.

Routh still needs to show us if he can handle the Man of Steel. He has the voice, but does he have the rest?

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Hmm... waste of time on my part to even visit a thread created by someone like you. Blaming Routh is not the answer, Saph. Blame the people who cast him in the role. Blame if you don't like Routh as Superman.

Blame them after you've watched the damn movie! Not before you've seen a teaser, or a trailer... ok?

End of discussion.

[dark_b]

kids will like the movie. isnt superman for the kids? every kid dreams about flying,...

people must realize that reeeve is gone. routh is now superman. why is reeve the best superman? he was the only one. i dont count the tv-shows.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

kids will like the movie. isnt superman for the kids? every kid dreams about flying,...

people must realize that reeeve is gone. routh is now superman. why is reeve the best superman. he was the only one. i dont count the tv-shows.

agreed.

[Showtime]

The two prominent complaints on these boards are:

1. The suit.

2. The muscle.

Any underwhelming presences caused by these 'problems' in Superman pictures, are blamed on:

1. The Costume Designer

2. Singer not telling Routh to bulk up.

Is it really the fault of them, or is it someone else? Is it..

..Routh?

I'm no Wellingite. I supported Routh when he was cast. Whenever I disliked something in this movie, I never blamed Routh.

Until now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Kyorca/050902_Superman_wide.png
We're all familiar with this picture. It flared up the argument on Routh's size, because this picture shows Routh as being very skinny, while other pictures show Reeve size.

I saw this manip:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg
Kudos to who made it.

This manip is, obviously, just Reeve pasted on Routh's body. And look at the difference.

The suit doesn't look so bad.

He doesn't look so small.

It appears that it is the actor that determines how things appear, not the suit, or his actual size.

And Routh doesn't create the same impression. Will he surpass Reeve? Not likely, going by these pictures.

Routh still needs to show us if he can handle the Man of Steel. He has the voice, but does he have the rest?

It's not Routh, it's not Singer, it's us-the fans. We are so used to Christopher Reeve as Superman that we can only picture him as the Man of Steel. You put Reeve in any suit and we will automatically think Superman. Its psychological, we associate Reeve with Superman. Now we have to get over the fact that Reeve isn't Superman so we turn to the next best thing, other incarnations of Superman. "Why didn't they use Dean Cain, why didn't they use Welling." This is the next phase, we associate these actors with Superman because they've played the part. Routh is new, he's foreign to us. When we look at him in the new suit we are wondering if that's really Superman. My opinion is that it isnt really the suit, because obviously people are now saying Reeve looks fantastic in it. It's not even Routh, it's Reeve. We were spoiled by Reeve as Superman for four movies and we can't get over it. He will always be Superman to us, and now Routh is trying to take his place. It's like a boy without a father, who can never accept his step-father as his dad when he is younger. As he gets older he realizes that this man is not trying to replace my father but trying to establish a new relationship with me. The boy realizes he is different but he is still a father figure. He may not dress the same, or act the same, but he is still my dad. Routh is now Superman, we have to accept this and move on. Reeve will always be Superman but now it's time for somebody new to take over the role. Remember the Micheal Keaton outcrys? Sure, Kilmer and Clooney couldn't hold his bat-belt but look what Bale did.

[Saph]

Hmm... waste of time on my part to even visit a thread created by someone like you. Blaming Routh is not the answer, Saph. Blame the people who cast him in the role. Blame if you don't like Routh as Superman.

Blame them after you've watched the damn movie! Not before you've seen a teaser, or a trailer... ok?

End of discussion.
Yeah, way to completely ignore my post. And insult me. "Someone like you" :rolleyes:

I was a supporter of Routh until I saw that Reeve manages to erase all the problems people have. That has to MEAN something.

[MatchesMalone]

Here's something BlueTights posted over at the Planet. This is a photo album of pre-release photos and stories for STM.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4328993&a=31890576&p=72734715

I think you'll see the relevance when you look through all the photos.

[Morg]

Hmm... waste of time on my part to even visit a thread created by someone like you. Blaming Routh is not the answer, Saph. Blame the people who cast him in the role. Blame if you don't like Routh as Superman.

Blame them after you've watched the damn movie! Not before you've seen a teaser, or a trailer... ok?

End of discussion.


I blame the fans who got no faith

[Saph]

I think people are missing the point entirely. I guess they saw negative vibes and decided to not read it properly.

Typical. :rolleyes:

[Milkman95]

It's not Routh, it's not Singer, it's us-the fans. We are so used to Christopher Reeve as Superman that we can only picture him as the Man of Steel. You put Reeve in any suit and we will automatically think Superman. Its psychological, we associate Reeve with Superman. Now we have to get over the fact that Reeve isn't Superman so we turn to the next best thing, other incarnations of Superman. "Why didn't they use Dean Cain, why didn't they use Welling." This is the next phase, we associate these actors with Superman because they've played the part. Routh is new, he's foreign to us. When we look at him in the new suit we are wondering if that's really Superman. My opinion is that it isnt really the suit, because obviously people are now saying Reeve looks fantastic in it. It's not even Routh, it's Reeve. We were spoiled by Reeve as Superman for four movies and we can't get over it. He will always be Superman to us, and now Routh is trying to take his place. It's like a boy without a father, who can never accept his step-father as his dad when he is younger. As he gets older he realizes that this man is not trying to replace my father but trying to establish a new relationship with me. The boy realizes he is different but he is still a father figure. He may not dress the same, or act the same, but he is still my dad. Routh is now Superman, we have to accept this and move on. Reeve will always be Superman but now it's time for somebody new to take over the role. Remember the Micheal Keaton outcrys? Sure, Kilmer and Clooney couldn't hold his bat-belt but look what Bale did.

Exactly. We know and have been associating Superman with Christopher Reeve for 27 years. Brandon is just going to take some getting used to......

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

I blame the fans who got no faith

So do I.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

How the hell can we judge routh on pictures..I'm Freaking sick and tired of listening to some of you people whine.we have yet seen him act in a trailer..

Pictures do not show how good of an actor he is, how can routh be the problem if you haven't seen him "be" superman yet.

Pictures mean nothing.as far as i can see most of you can't see past reeve..let it go.Routh is the new superman..he will be great!

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

How the hell can we judge routh on pictures..I'm Freaking sick and tired of listening to some of you people whine.we have yet seen him act in a trailer..

Pictures do not show how good of an actor he is, how can routh be the problem if you haven't seen him "be" superman yet.


Exactly.

[Saph]

How the hell can we judge routh on pictures..I'm Freaking sick and tired of listening to some of you people whine.we have yet seen him act in a trailer..

Pictures do not show how good of an actor he is, how can routh be the problem if you haven't seen him "be" superman yet.

Pictures mean nothing.as far as i can see most of you can't see past reeve..let it go.Routh is the new superman..he will be great!
Go to the top of my thread, and READ the post this time. You've missed the point.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Go to the top of my thread, and READ the post this time. You've missed the point.


I did..your missing the point of mine..your still blaiming Routh.

[MatchesMalone]

Go to the top of my thread, and READ the post this time. You've missed the point.

Read my previous post in this thread. Look through those pictures. Then try to re-evaluate objectively.

[Showtime]

How the hell can we judge routh on pictures..I'm Freaking sick and tired of listening to some of you people whine.we have yet seen him act in a trailer..

Pictures do not show how good of an actor he is, how can routh be the problem if you haven't seen him "be" superman yet.

Pictures mean nothing.as far as i can see most of you can't see past reeve..let it go.Routh is the new superman..he will be great!

:up: :up: :up: WAIT FOR ROUTH IN ACTION! GOOD POINT!

[dark_b]

i just wait till some crazy fan will say that rouths face is ugly .......... that thats the reason he is not superman.

[Saph]

Read my previous post in this thread. Look through those pictures. Then try to re-evaluate objectively.I don't see how your pictures are relevant at all. They all seem to be praising Reeve, and are before he worked out, and they don't show him in costume. Atleast in the amount i've seen.

[Saph]

:up: :up: :up: WAIT FOR ROUTH IN ACTION! GOOD POINT!
Well, until then, all we have is pictures. And Reeve looks great, Routh doesn't.

A fat person still looks fat in a photograph.

[Showtime]

Well, until then, all we have is pictures. And Reeve looks great, Routh doesn't.

A fat person still looks fat in a photograph.

You need to get over Reeve...he's not walking through that door.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Well, until then, all we have is pictures. And Reeve looks great, Routh doesn't.

A fat person still looks fat in a photograph.


Thats my point, you can not see past reeve.

[Venom71]

I blame the fans who got no faith
Me too

[MatchesMalone]

I don't see how your pictures are relevant at all. They all seem to be praising Reeve, and are before he worked out, and they don't show him in costume. Atleast in the amount i've seen.

The fact that you fail to see the correlation doesn't surprise me. Those pictures are pre-release news pictures and official pre-release pics. JUST LIKE WHAT WE HAVE WITH ROUTH. Do you see the similarity yet?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You need to get over Reeve...he's not walking through that door.

A little insensitive. :mad:

[lujho]

The manip of Reeve is much lighter than the unaltered Routh pic. And that's going to make a difference in apparent size. Someone in a black leotard is going to look skinnyer than the same guy in a white one, to take it to extremes.

Also, the deeper shadows of the unaltered pic increases the apaprent thin-ness of the person, and the fact that one's isolated on a white background probably has an effect too.

Show me that same pic of Routh, with the same lightness of the Reeve manip and on a white background and Routh will look the same size of the Reeve manip.

That said, the Reeve manip doesn't look half bad.

Look... the real issue is that the suit ain't perfect and neither is Routh. A better suit would make Routh look better, and a better actor would make the suit look better.

It's a multiplying effect... if Brandon is say, 80% perfect as Superman and the suit is say, 80% perfect, then overall (80% * 80%) that's only 64% percent.

I still support Routh, but the suit could be more favourable on him even though it's not awful. And conversely, If Routh were bigger and looked more like Supes facially, then yeah, the suit wouldn't seem so bad.

[Saph]

I did..your missing the point of mine..your still blaiming Routh.With evidence to back it up. Why does Reeve make everything better when his head is pasted on top of Routh's? Because he has more presence. He evokes power, confidence.

Routh, in the pictures so far, looks like some guy in a Superman costume.

And about me not letting Reeve go: There is no-one who wants to ignore the Donner films more than I. And to see a new Superman.

[Bad Superman]

The two prominent complaints on these boards are:

1. The suit.

2. The muscle.

Any underwhelming presences caused by these 'problems' in Superman pictures, are blamed on:

1. The Costume Designer

2. Singer not telling Routh to bulk up.

Is it really the fault of them, or is it someone else? Is it..

..Routh?

I'm no Wellingite. I supported Routh when he was cast. Whenever I disliked something in this movie, I never blamed Routh.

Until now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Kyorca/050902_Superman_wide.png
We're all familiar with this picture. It flared up the argument on Routh's size, because this picture shows Routh as being very skinny, while other pictures show Reeve size.

I saw this manip:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg
Kudos to who made it.

This manip is, obviously, just Reeve pasted on Routh's body. And look at the difference.

The suit doesn't look so bad.

He doesn't look so small.

It appears that it is the actor that determines how things appear, not the suit, or his actual size.

And Routh doesn't create the same impression. Will he surpass Reeve? Not likely, going by these pictures.

Routh still needs to show us if he can handle the Man of Steel. He has the voice, but does he have the rest?

I think Routh's physique is impressive and I've got no problems with that nor his casting. It's the suit what has caused such heated wars between fans.

After watching the "forbidden" pics, the suit's design looks acceptable. As a fan I was underwhelmed. The only problem I might have at this point are the colors. Someone did a great manip with brighter colors which made the suit look better.

As far as performance goes, well, it's way too early to tell. Routh has really big boots to fill. Since I haven't been able to watch the blogs, I really can't say if there's an indication on how good he seems to be playing the roles.

I think the first trailer will be vital to catch the audience's attention.

[Saph]

The fact that you fail to see the correlation doesn't surprise me. Those pictures are pre-release news pictures and official pre-release pics. JUST LIKE WHAT WE HAVE WITH ROUTH. Do you see the similarity yet?
The fact is, the picture that I am judging was released after production. Your pictures of Reeve are just after he was cast.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

With evidence to back it up. Why does Reeve make everything better when his head is pasted on top of Routh's? Because he has more presence. He evokes power, confidence.

Routh, in the pictures so far, looks like some guy in a Superman costume.

And about me not letting Reeve go: There is no-one who wants to ignore the Donner films more than I. And to see a new Superman.


You see only Reeve as superman..that is the problem...

we have yet to see rouths presance on screen..that is why reeve looks great..because he WAS superman..Routh is NOW superman.

[MatchesMalone]

The fact is, the picture that I am judging was released after production. Your pictures of Reeve are just after he was cast.

Incorrect. Most of those pics dealing with Reeve are during production, especially the in-costume pics.

[Milkman95]

The bottom line is we have to wait to see how Brandon looks ON FILM. That way the comparison is fair...........we've seen Reeve and associate him as being Superman for 27 years.

Damn, give Brandon a chance here people, he's only filling the biggest shoes in COMIC BOOK FILM HISTORY...................

[dark_b]

With evidence to back it up. Why does Reeve make everything better when his head is pasted on top of Routh's? Because he has more presence. He evokes power, confidence.

Routh, in the pictures so far, looks like some guy in a Superman costume.

And about me not letting Reeve go: There is no-one who wants to ignore the Donner films more than I. And to see a new Superman.
lets say that reeve wouldnt be superman. and routh would play superman in the 70s . you would still say that reeve is better?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

The bottom line is we have to wait to see how Brandon looks ON FILM. That way the comparison is fair...........we've seen Reeve and associate him as being Superman for 27 years.

Damn, give Brandon a chance here people, he's only filling the biggest shoes in COMIC BOOK FILM HISTORY...................

It just doesn't work jeff we have tried and are failing.

[Saph]

The manip of Reeve is much lighter than the unaltered Routh pic. And that's going to make a difference in apparent size. Someone in a black leotard is going to look skinnyer than the same guy in a white one, to take it to extremes.

Also, the deeper shadows of the unaltered pic increases the apaprent thin-ness of the person, and the fact that one's isolated on a white background probably has an effect too.
Show me that same pic of Routh, with the same lightness of the Reeve manip and on a white background and Routh will look the same size of the Reeve manip.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Kyorca/lowerneckline7zt.jpg
Really?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

lets say that reeve wouldnt be superman. and routh would play superman in the 70s . you would still say that reeve is better?


I would bet no.

[Milkman95]

It just doesn't work jeff we have tried and are failing.

Well, you know I'll fight 'til the end............ :up:

[Dr. Fate]

I'm surprised at how many folk think Brandon Routh looks too thin and too small... I showed the original pic of him in the suit to my friends at Chefelf's night life and they all said he looked like he could leg press a bus.

And Christopher Reeve himself was rather lean when compared to his comic book counterpart.

[Saph]

lets say that reeve wouldnt be superman. and routh would play superman in the 70s . you would still say that reeve is better?Yes. Judging by these pictures, Reeve has the essence of Superman.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Well, you know I'll fight 'til the end............ :up:


I'm by your side dude..just like the old days on the Bat boards!!

Dead or alive you fanboys are coming with me..

:D

[MatchesMalone]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Kyorca/lowerneckline7zt.jpg
Really?

Uh...yeah...look at the boots, the shadows, the highlights. This pic has been manipped to death. Another straw house is falling...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg

[Showtime]

With evidence to back it up. Why does Reeve make everything better when his head is pasted on top of Routh's? Because he has more presence. He evokes power, confidence.

Routh, in the pictures so far, looks like some guy in a Superman costume.

And about me not letting Reeve go: There is no-one who wants to ignore the Donner films more than I. And to see a new Superman.

This is because we have seen Reeve as Superman in the movies. Running, Flying, Talking, Saving, Fighting. We've seen some photos of Routh and a couple quick samples of footage.

[Venom71]

It just doesn't work jeff we have tried and are failing.
Kinda feels like you are talking to a brick wall huh?

[Saph]

The bottom line is we have to wait to see how Brandon looks ON FILM. That way the comparison is fair...........we've seen Reeve and associate him as being Superman for 27 years. I'm not taking the movies into account. To me, Reeve looks better as Superman with the SAME suit, SAME physique as Routh.

Damn, give Brandon a chance here people, he's only filling the biggest shoes in COMIC BOOK FILM HISTORY...................I did. And Reeve has proved that he can do better with the same thing Routh has done, in my eyes.

[Saph]

This is because we have seen Reeve as Superman in the movies. Running, Flying, Talking, Saving, Fighting. We've seen some photos of Routh and a couple quick samples of footage.

Not. Taking. Movies. Into. Account. Judging. Soley. On. Pictures.

I'm not stupid.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Kinda feels like you are talking to a brick wall huh?

yeah but not a problem...

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3541/poster225rh.jpg

[Saph]

Kinda feels like you are talking to a brick wall huh?You have no right to say that, considering what you said in my sig.

[Venom71]

Yes. Judging by these pictures, Reeve has the essence of Superman.
because we have seen him and has been Superman to us for so many years...if it was in reverse and Routh was in S:TM...and Reeve was in SR....we would be seeing Routh as Supes and not Reeve.

[MatchesMalone]

I'm not taking the movies into account. To me, Reeve looks better as Superman with the SAME suit, SAME physique as Routh.

Saph, there is nothing you can say to prove you can objectively compare the two. It is impossible to do so, just through the mechanics of memory. You cannot compare Reeve to Routh without taking into account the experience of viewing Reeve in the films and your memories of his performance. I suppose you will deny this, and say you can objectively compare them. It is a silly thing to say, but I have no doubt you will.

[Showtime]

Not. Taking. Movies. Into. Account. Judging. Soley. On. Pictures.

I'm not stupid.

What does it have to do with being stupid? You can't help but take movies into account because I am assuming you have seen them right? You can't just erase them from your mind. That's why you are jaded with Reeve is a better Superman. Like most of us are.

[Milkman95]

I'm not taking the movies into account. To me, Reeve looks better as Superman with the SAME suit, SAME physique as Routh.

I did. And Reeve has proved that he can do better with the same thing Routh has done, in my eyes.

Fair enough - I like Reeve better as well. This was never a debate concerning Routh BEING BETTER than Reeve. This discussion is about Routh being a good Superman in the suit he's wearing, and we can't make that determination yet.

What's the point anyway? Reeve is gone unfortunately, so why compare them? Brandon is Superman now, so let's give the poor guy a chance.......

[Venom71]

Not. Taking. Movies. Into. Account. Judging. Soley. On. Pictures.

I'm not stupid.
Thats up for debate :p

[Saph]

Uh...yeah...look at the boots, the shadows, the highlights. This pic has been manipped to death. Another straw house is falling...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg
Alright then. What about this:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3682/srnwfinal3kh.jpg
Lighter Routh. Smaller than Reeve.

[Venom71]

You have no right to say that, considering what you said in my sig.
Sure I do..it is a message board and that is my opinion :D

[Saph]

What does it have to do with being stupid? You can't help but take movies into account because I am assuming you have seen them right? You can't just erase them from your mind. That's why you are jaded with Reeve is a better Superman. Like most of us are.

But Reeve has never worn Routh's suit before, has he? I'm judging him as if he wore the Returns suit.

[skruloos]

Not. Taking. Movies. Into. Account. Judging. Soley. On. Pictures.

I'm not stupid.
Impossible. You cannot seperate a memory of Reeve's performance from the picture. You are conditioned to seeing him as Superman. Try watching any movie with Reeve in it. It's hard to see his character as anything BUT Superman. The association is so close. You can't simply look at a picture and think you can seperate the two objectively. The mind simply doesn't work that way.

I was alive when Superman the Movie was in production. I remember seeing a few photos in magazines. I thought he looked like a skinny dancer in a leotard. I thought it was ridiculous. But then I saw the movie and he proved he could be the Man of Steel. That's all it took. I'm affording Routh the same benefit of doubt that I gave Reeve.

[Saph]

What's the point anyway? Reeve is gone unfortunately, so why compare them? Brandon is Superman now, so let's give the poor guy a chance.......
I'm not saying I want Reeve. I'm saying that Routh isn't proving to be as good as Reeve at the moment. If I see some footage that blows me away, i'd be happy to change my opinion.

[Bad Superman]

I really don't see why two different points of view can co-exist. It's all about sharing our interest in Superman. BOTH should be respected.

It's a shame it has come down to "fighting" to win or lose. That's the attitude that kills this board.

[Saph]

Impossible. You cannot seperate a memory of Reeve's performance from the picture. You are conditioned to seeing him as Superman. Try watching any movie with Reeve in it. It's hard to see his character as anything BUT Superman. The association is so close. You can't simply look at a picture and think you can seperate the two objectively. The mind simply doesn't work that way. But i've NEVER seen Reeve in the Returns costume, have I?

I was alive when Superman the Movie was in production. I remember seeing a few photos in magazines. I thought he looked like a skinny dancer in a leotard. I thought it was ridiculous. But then I saw the movie and he proved he could be the Man of Steel. That's all it took. I'm affording Routh the same benefit of doubt that I gave Reeve.So did I. Until I saw that Reeve, in the world of pictures, surpasses Routh in the exact same conditions.

[Milkman95]

I'm not saying I want Reeve. I'm saying that Routh isn't proving to be as good as Reeve at the moment. If I see some footage that blows me away, i'd be happy to change my opinion.

Again, WHY does Routh have to be better than Reeve?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I'm not saying I want Reeve. I'm saying that Routh isn't proving to be as good as Reeve at the moment. If I see some footage that blows me away, i'd be happy to change my opinion.


your just not reading properly anything we have put be it jeff or myself..

[MatchesMalone]

Alright then. What about this:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3682/srnwfinal3kh.jpg
Lighter Routh. Smaller than Reeve.

he has a slightly smaller head. The body is just as big as Reeve in STM. Saph, you have to start admitting your unintentional bias. I have it too. In my opinion, NOBODY will supplant Reeve as being my definitive Superman. However, that does not mean that Routh won't make a great Superman. Comparing Routh to Reeve at this point is ludicrous.

[Saph]

I really don't see why two different points of view can co-exist. It's all about sharing our interest in Superman. BOTH should be respected.

It's a shame it has come down to "fighting" to win or lose. That's the attitude that kills this board.
It's because a majority of people who like what they're seeing can't handle people disliking the movie. If you ask suit haters, Brandon haters, you'll find that none of them HATE the suit likers, Brandon likers for their opinion.

[MatchesMalone]

But i've NEVER seen Reeve in the Returns costume, have I?

That is your counterpoint? That because you have changed the costume, it's the big difference? Your entire first post dealt with the costume having nothing to do with it, that it was the presence of the actor that made the difference. Now you're saying you can be objective because of the costume? You make absolutely no sense sometimes.

[Saph]

he has a slightly smaller head. The body is just as big as Reeve in STM. Saph, you have to start admitting your unintentional bias. I have it too. In my opinion, NOBODY will supplant Reeve as being my definitive Superman. However, that does not mean that Routh won't make a great Superman. Comparing Routh to Reeve at this point is ludicrous.
I can't be biased because Reev has never beein in the Superman Returns suit before. I'm judging Reeve in Superman Return's world, not judging Routh in Superman The Movie's world.

[lujho]

I think you can pretty objectively say that Reeve looks more like SUperman than Routh facially, without being influenced by having seen one in a Superman movie and not having seen the other yet.

Routh will hopefully make a prettty good Supes, but he's always going to look less like Superman than Reeve, purely based on his facial features. Jaw, chin and neck not quite strong enough, nose a bit too long and prominent - just very basic features which no not quite line up with almost eevry drawn version of Superman.

I wouldn't be saying that about someone like say, Eion Bailey, who while I have never seen him play Superman, I know that he has a strong jaw and a smaller nose, and while he look nothing like Reeve, I'd say he looks about as much like Superman as Reeve does.

[MatchesMalone]

It's because a majority of people who like what they're seeing can't handle people disliking the movie. If you ask suit haters, Brandon haters, you'll find that none of them HATE the suit likers, Brandon likers for their opinion.

hahahahahahahahaha

Ask SCLJ, or Buggs. Or even Oldguy, back in the day. They used to spit venom at suit likers BECAUSE THEY WERE SUIT LIKERS. Buggs just recently said that he had to replace punching bags in his office because the suit likers got him so worked up.

Try again.

[Saph]

That is your counterpoint? That because you have changed the costume, it's the big difference? Your entire first post dealt with the costume having nothing to do with it, that it was the presence of the actor that made the difference. Now you're saying you can be objective because of the costume? You make absolutely no sense sometimes.The actor's presence makes the costume work, is what i'm saying. I can do the exact same thing with Routh and put his head ontop of Reeve's body in Superman The Movie. The difference is if he surpasses Reeve or not.

[Showtime]

But Reeve has never worn Routh's suit before, has he? I'm judging him as if he wore the Returns suit.

That's correct and he never will, but Routh will. My point is that you automatically think Reeve looks great because you associate him with Superman. If he wore army pants and a white sheet with a spray painted S you would think...Superman. It's just the presence of Reeve in a costume with an S. Association.

[Saph]

hahahahahahahahaha

Ask SCLJ, or Buggs. Or even Oldguy, back in the day. They used to spit venom at suit likers BECAUSE THEY WERE SUIT LIKERS. Buggs just recently said that he had to replace punching bags in his office because the suit likers got him so worked up.

Try again.

Actually, Buggs broke punching bags because of posts like that.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

This could easily go in the debate thread.

[Venom71]

It's because a majority of people who like what they're seeing can't handle people disliking the movie. If you ask suit haters, Brandon haters, you'll find that none of them HATE the suit likers, Brandon likers for their opinion.
Thats not true..at least one of them stated in the hate thread (When it was open) that they hated the suit likers.

[MatchesMalone]

I think you can pretty objectively say that Reeve looks more like SUperman than Routh facially, without being influenced by having seen one in a Superman movie and not having seen the other yet.

I would say, based on my experience and schooling in the workings of human memory, recognition, and facial association, that it is impossible to do so.

But what do I know.

[skruloos]

I can't be biased because Reev has never beein in the Superman Returns suit before. I'm judging Reeve in Superman Return's world, not judging Routh in Superman The Movie's world.
Did you read the point I made? The association with Reeve and Superman is so strong that I dare you to watch any of his other movies and not automatically think him as Superman. It's just ingrained, costume or not.

[lujho]

I would say, based on my experience and schooling in the workings of human memory, recognition, and facial association, that it is impossible to do so.

But what do I know.

But it's just a simple matter of the dimensions of facial features... which is 100% objective, nothing to do with the influence of memory.

I'm not arguing that Reeve doesn't also "feel" more like Superman to most people because we've seen him in the films, but it's possible to put that aside when judging something as clear-cut as how big someone's nose or jaw is.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Btw Reeve's face is also not directly to the side changing the pose enough to make a difference. Routh has his face ALL the way to the side.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

I did. And Reeve has proved that he can do better with the same thing Routh has done, in my eyes.

Reeve... been the silver-screen Superman for 27+ years
Routh... yet to be seen even in a teaser trailer

hmmm... yup... comparing the two at this stage is very very logical :o :up:

[Saph]

Thats not true..at least one of them stated in the hate thread (When it was open) that they hated the suit likers.
But did they hate the suit likers for liking the suit, or a different reason? I think it was the latter.

Why suit haters hate the suit likers is:

Matches Malone- Matches posts in a condescending manner, acting like he's talking down to the suit haters, even when they make valid points. He also brings up other things that posters have said to dismiss their arguments.

Milkman- Milkman's "It's still red so nyah" attitude shows lack of maturity and understanding of Superman. He dismisses things that make Superman SUPERMAN, and this frustrates suit likers because they are arguing with a person that does not fully understand what he is talking about. When suit haters explain, why he is wrong, he replies with posts that actually prove our point, but the suit likers team up with Milkman so he 'wins'.

Venom71- He acts like a child, refusing to hear anything wrong about the suit, dismisses facts, and acts like hes right when he's been proven wrong. The suit likers don't care about his childishness because they agree with him.

There are other people I can talk about, also.

[TheBat812]

exactly, JcDc, not a good manip in terms of comparison.

btw, look how small Reeve is, with his pencil neck! BOOOHOO
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4328993&a=31890576&p=72734733&f=0

[Saph]

Reeve... been the silver-screen Superman for 27+ years
Routh... yet to be seen even in a teaser trailer

hmmm... yup... comparing the two at this stage is very very logical :o :up:

I see, you haven't read the thread.

Try again next time.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Btw Reeve's face is also not directly to the side changing the pose enough to make a difference. Routh has his face ALL the way to the side.

Good point myself.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

I see, you haven't read the thread.

Try again next time.

It was a response to that particular post... not the topic of the thread... something which is a moot point at this stage, because all you are doing is starting the whole "suit-liker" "suit-hater" extravaganza & critisizing individual posters for their opinions about the suit. Either way, this thread has lost it's objectivity.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I see, you haven't read the thread.

Try again next time.


saph i thought better of you..you beginging to sound well...trollish.

[Saph]

It was a response to that particular post... not the topic of the thread... something which is a moot point at this stage, because all you are doing is starting the whole "suit-liker" "suit-hater" extravaganza & critisizing individual posters for their opinions about the suit. Either way, this thread has lost it's objectivity.
Reading the rest of the thread gives you the meaning of the post you were replying to.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

But did they hate the suit likers for liking the suit, or a different reason? I think it was the latter.

Why suit haters hate the suit likers is:

Matches Malone- Matches posts in a condescending manner, acting like he's talking down to the suit haters, even when they make valid points. He also brings up other things that posters have said to dismiss their arguments.

Milkman- Milkman's "It's still red so nyah" attitude shows lack of maturity and understanding of Superman. He dismisses things that make Superman SUPERMAN, and this frustrates suit likers because they are arguing with a person that does not fully understand what he is talking about. When suit haters explain, why he is wrong, he replies with posts that actually prove our point, but the suit likers team up with Milkman so he 'wins'.

Venom71- He acts like a child, refusing to hear anything wrong about the suit, dismisses facts, and acts like hes right when he's been proven wrong. The suit likers don't care about his childishness because they agree with him.

There are other people I can talk about, also.

What has this got to do with "Suit, Muscle.. is Brandon the problem?"

Try reading the thread. Please. :o

[Saph]

saph i thought better of you..you beginging to sound well...trollish.I'm only giving back what I recieve. Haven't you noticed Robo? These boards are run by the Defenders Of Singers Vision. (I'm not talking about the sig line, either.) Unless you agree with them, or don't voice your concerns, you are treated unfairly.

[TheBat812]

well, this thread is stupid since it's all opinion. the manip with Reeve is at a different angle than Routh's head, so it's not really comparable. And i think Routh looks completley like Superman, so no problems there.

[Saph]

What has this got to do with "Suit, Muscle.. is Brandon the problem?"

Try reading the thread. Please. :o

Har de har har.

[MatchesMalone]

I'm only giving back what I recieve. Haven't you noticed Robo? These boards are run by the Defenders Of Singers Vision. (I'm not talking about the sig line, either.) Unless you agree with them, or don't voice your concerns, you are treated unfairly.

http://bhs.broo.k12.wv.us/bhs/bldgCons/whine.jpg

get a better schtick.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

exactly, JcDc, not a good manip in terms of comparison.

btw, look how small Reeve is, with his pencil neck! BOOOHOO
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4328993&a=31890576&p=72734733&f=0



Ah ha, yeah :D

[Saph]

http://bhs.broo.k12.wv.us/bhs/bldgCons/whine.jpg

get a better schtick.
Thanks for proving my point.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I'm only giving back what I recieve. Haven't you noticed Robo? These boards are run by the Defenders Of Singers Vision. (I'm not talking about the sig line, either.) Unless you agree with them, or don't voice your concerns, you are treated unfairly.

but you are better than this..I have watched you grow..don't go to the dark side now. :up:

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Har de har har.

Pipe down, Huckleberry.

[Showtime]

I'm only giving back what I recieve. Haven't you noticed Robo? These boards are run by the Defenders Of Singers Vision. (I'm not talking about the sig line, either.) Unless you agree with them, or don't voice your concerns, you are treated unfairly.

It's what you are concerned about that troubles me. I mean you are saying Reeve looks better in the Returns costume. What me, and others are trying to point out is it's because you are biased due to the fact you saw four movies with Reeve. We aren't saying he doesn't look better. We are giving you a reason why you might feel this way.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

right..Thats enough..everybody cool it..this is becoming very Flamable...time to turn it down a notch..just because saph does not agree with our views..doesn't mean we have to pratically burn him alive.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Really this should be closed or merged with the suit debate thread anyways. Nothing original about this in anyway.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Actully i think the main man just showed up.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

right..Thats enough..everybody cool it..this is becoming very Flamable...time to turn it down a notch..just because saph does not agree with our views..doesn't mean we have to pratically burn him alive.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8252/whynot4is.jpg

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8252/whynot4is.jpg


I shouldn't have to answer that M.e.h.z.e.b.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

I shouldn't have to answer that M.e.h.z.e.b.

yeah. i've lost perspective. i like the picture of the skull though.... :cool:

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

yeah. i've lost perspective. i like the picture of the skull though.... :cool:


agreed great picture :D

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Actully i think the main man just showed up.

You mean the one that isn't just pretending to be a mod? ;)

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You mean the one that isn't just pretending to be a mod? ;)


LOL!!!

No i mean EXCELSIOR! :cool:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Merge here

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6690473#post6690473

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Thank you JcDc... :up:

I shall merge them at once :cool:

:rolleyes:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Thank you JcDc... :up:

I shall merge them at once :cool:

:rolleyes:

Somebody ought too though :rolleyes:

[afan]

I too was struck by the impact of the manip, and wondered why.
As many posters have done, I totally bought, and cherish Christopher Reeve's portrayal of Superman, my ultimate hero. Reeve's heroic battle after his tragic accident re-inforced my admiration for him, and increased the sentimentality I hold for his role as Superman. My fanboy dream was to see Reeve walk again, but alas that was not meant to be.

I believe very strongly it is that emotional attachment that caused my immediate positive reaction to the manip. Not only have I yet to see Routh as Superman I have yet and hopefully never will see Routh react as a human being to as great a personal tragedy as Reeve did. Reeve's shoes are awfully big ones to fill, both as an actor and a man. It is unfair then IMHO to hold a Reeve mirror up to Routh.

Also perhaps as the description of the scenario that this shot appears in indicates; a powerless Superman is being hunted by Luthor, which calls for a performance from Routh that effects his demeanor and expression creating a somewhat anxious Superman. Whereas the photo of Reeve used in the manip appears to show the sure and confidant Man of Steel that we more readily associate with the character.

[Milkman95]

But did they hate the suit likers for liking the suit, or a different reason? I think it was the latter.

Why suit haters hate the suit likers is:

Matches Malone- Matches posts in a condescending manner, acting like he's talking down to the suit haters, even when they make valid points. He also brings up other things that posters have said to dismiss their arguments.

Milkman- Milkman's "It's still red so nyah" attitude shows lack of maturity and understanding of Superman. He dismisses things that make Superman SUPERMAN, and this frustrates suit likers because they are arguing with a person that does not fully understand what he is talking about. When suit haters explain, why he is wrong, he replies with posts that actually prove our point, but the suit likers team up with Milkman so he 'wins'.

Venom71- He acts like a child, refusing to hear anything wrong about the suit, dismisses facts, and acts like hes right when he's been proven wrong. The suit likers don't care about his childishness because they agree with him.

There are other people I can talk about, also.

I'm immature because I see the darker red as being satisfactory for Superman? That's hilarious. I think complaining about a shade of red that happens to be a bit darker than the so-called "classic" red more childish than anything I've ever read on these boards. I view you as the one that is childish and not acting like an open minded adult should, but whatever.......

And I have proven with my posts with all the different pictures of Superman that the suit has indeed changed through the years, which proves my point of there being no supreme definition of what Superman should look like, as long as it's not to the extreme like the suit being black with no cape................

[supesfan80]

It's not Routh, it's not Singer, it's us-the fans. We are so used to Christopher Reeve as Superman that we can only picture him as the Man of Steel. You put Reeve in any suit and we will automatically think Superman. Its psychological, we associate Reeve with Superman. Now we have to get over the fact that Reeve isn't Superman so we turn to the next best thing, other incarnations of Superman. "Why didn't they use Dean Cain, why didn't they use Welling." This is the next phase, we associate these actors with Superman because they've played the part. Routh is new, he's foreign to us. When we look at him in the new suit we are wondering if that's really Superman. My opinion is that it isnt really the suit, because obviously people are now saying Reeve looks fantastic in it. It's not even Routh, it's Reeve. We were spoiled by Reeve as Superman for four movies and we can't get over it. He will always be Superman to us, and now Routh is trying to take his place. It's like a boy without a father, who can never accept his step-father as his dad when he is younger. As he gets older he realizes that this man is not trying to replace my father but trying to establish a new relationship with me. The boy realizes he is different but he is still a father figure. He may not dress the same, or act the same, but he is still my dad. Routh is now Superman, we have to accept this and move on. Reeve will always be Superman but now it's time for somebody new to take over the role. Remember the Micheal Keaton outcrys? Sure, Kilmer and Clooney couldn't hold his bat-belt but look what Bale did.


finally, a rational, well-thought, and logical post. You are right. Lokking at Reeve in Roth's suit...it looks absolutly fantastic. That's because my mind associates Reeve with the role. I like Routh in the new pics, i really do, but with Reeve there it just confirms that the suit is better than fine and that the only thing required to make this movie my favorite is a simple adjustment in my psyche. That, I am sure, will come in the theater.

[muscaremy]

one way to find out who "looks" more like superman is to find some poor schlump of soul whos been living under a rock and has never seen nor heard of the superman movies with reeve and then show them that same pic with routh and reeve.

and see who they say

[Venom71]

but you are better than this..I have watched you grow..don't go to the dark side now. :up:
Wait...I thought the ones who like the suit are The Dark Side. :D

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Wait...I thought the ones who like the suit are The Dark Side. :D

not on my shift there not.


:D

[Showtime]

finally, a rational, well-thought, and logical post. You are right. Lokking at Reeve in Roth's suit...it looks absolutly fantastic. That's because my mind associates Reeve with the role. I like Routh in the new pics, i really do, but with Reeve there it just confirms that the suit is better than fine and that the only thing required to make this movie my favorite is a simple adjustment in my psyche. That, I am sure, will come in the theater.

Thanks for your compliments and I am glad we agree.:up:

[dark_b]

i dont know how but i realize something. a lot of people think that reeve is the greatest superman. istn it crazy that some people think that reeve is a better superman than routh? but lets not forget that this people didnt even see the new movie.

fact is that acting in the 70s was different than it is now.
people FACT is that routh will not act like reeve.
fact is that superman returns will be very different than the old superman movies.

a lot of you must realize that brandon routh will not be a copy of reeve. he is a new actor in a new movie for the new kids.

so what can you do ? you have 4 ............ yes four superman movies with reeve as superman. watch them.
but please stop saying that reeve was the best superman.

fact is that he was the only superman...................... UNTIL NOW :)

last fact: a lot of fanboys will not like the new movie........... why? because reeve will not play superman.

my english is very bad.... so if you didnt understand me.......... than we have a problem.

peace :up:

[Scooter]

How can any of you ***** about the colors?! You haven't seen the movie yet! If it turns out that by some gross under-utilization of modern film-making techniques digital grading is not used to make a difference post production, then all of the suit-haters can whine about it for the rest of their lives. The suit-likers need to stop saying it's right or "it fit's with Singer"s Metropolis" because it's muuuch more than likely to change from the photos we've seen to the actual film footage. Everybody pick something else to argue over! And welcome me to the Hype! GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!:down :up: :supes:

[dark_b]

welcome to the hype....... but i think that the suit must fit in.and it fits in singers vision.

[Scooter]

welcome to the hype....... but i think that the suit must fit in.and it fits in singers vision.

You haven't seen Singer's vision yet. You've only seen tidbits, morsels of a finished product, and yet somehow, in your mind, you have cobbled these tablescraps into a fully prepared meal. I for one will not be sitting down to the table just yet...and thanks for welcoming me.

Dammit, I'm hungry.

[superhey]

It's not Routh, it's not Singer, it's us-the fans. We are so used to Christopher Reeve as Superman that we can only picture him as the Man of Steel. You put Reeve in any suit and we will automatically think Superman. Its psychological, we associate Reeve with Superman. Now we have to get over the fact that Reeve isn't Superman so we turn to the next best thing, other incarnations of Superman. "Why didn't they use Dean Cain, why didn't they use Welling." This is the next phase, we associate these actors with Superman because they've played the part. Routh is new, he's foreign to us. When we look at him in the new suit we are wondering if that's really Superman. My opinion is that it isnt really the suit, because obviously people are now saying Reeve looks fantastic in it. It's not even Routh, it's Reeve. We were spoiled by Reeve as Superman for four movies and we can't get over it. He will always be Superman to us, and now Routh is trying to take his place. It's like a boy without a father, who can never accept his step-father as his dad when he is younger. As he gets older he realizes that this man is not trying to replace my father but trying to establish a new relationship with me. The boy realizes he is different but he is still a father figure. He may not dress the same, or act the same, but he is still my dad. Routh is now Superman, we have to accept this and move on. Reeve will always be Superman but now it's time for somebody new to take over the role. Remember the Micheal Keaton outcrys? Sure, Kilmer and Clooney couldn't hold his bat-belt but look what Bale did.



Agree!
I real fan of Superman accept Brandon Routh, HEY, it could be worse, we almost have Nicalas Cage or the Russell Crowe to do the Man of Steel.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[muscaremy]

or brendan frasier.... wasnt he rumored once or was that for sumtin else

[superpal2]

The two prominent complaints on these boards are:

1. The suit.

2. The muscle.

Any underwhelming presences caused by these 'problems' in Superman pictures, are blamed on:

1. The Costume Designer

2. Singer not telling Routh to bulk up.

Is it really the fault of them, or is it someone else? Is it..

..Routh?

I'm no Wellingite. I supported Routh when he was cast. Whenever I disliked something in this movie, I never blamed Routh.

Until now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Kyorca/050902_Superman_wide.png
We're all familiar with this picture. It flared up the argument on Routh's size, because this picture shows Routh as being very skinny, while other pictures show Reeve size.

I saw this manip:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg
Kudos to who made it.

This manip is, obviously, just Reeve pasted on Routh's body. And look at the difference.

The suit doesn't look so bad.

He doesn't look so small.

It appears that it is the actor that determines how things appear, not the suit, or his actual size.

And Routh doesn't create the same impression. Will he surpass Reeve? Not likely, going by these pictures.

Routh still needs to show us if he can handle the Man of Steel. He has the voice, but does he have the rest?
you are right. routh just doesn't have 'it'. at least not from all the pics we have seen. his acting ability??? i doubt so... look at all his pics, his serious looks are all the same expression...

but who cares...

he gonna be superman... and the new generation will gladly accept that. (dean cain as an example)

[Thunder Emperor]

The two prominent complaints on these boards are:

1. The suit.

2. The muscle.

Any underwhelming presences caused by these 'problems' in Superman pictures, are blamed on:

1. The Costume Designer

2. Singer not telling Routh to bulk up.

Is it really the fault of them, or is it someone else? Is it..

..Routh?

I'm no Wellingite. I supported Routh when he was cast. Whenever I disliked something in this movie, I never blamed Routh.

Until now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Kyorca/050902_Superman_wide.png
We're all familiar with this picture. It flared up the argument on Routh's size, because this picture shows Routh as being very skinny, while other pictures show Reeve size.

I saw this manip:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg
Kudos to who made it.

This manip is, obviously, just Reeve pasted on Routh's body. And look at the difference.

The suit doesn't look so bad.

He doesn't look so small.

It appears that it is the actor that determines how things appear, not the suit, or his actual size.

And Routh doesn't create the same impression. Will he surpass Reeve? Not likely, going by these pictures.

Routh still needs to show us if he can handle the Man of Steel. He has the voice, but does he have the rest?


yes i think have a point.

[M.O.Steel]

This is what i said in another thread:

I find it kinda sad how Christopher Reeve tried his entire life to break out of the typecast as superman. He didn't want to be forever known as superman, but as a great actor. That's why he never got any other major roles, because there are people out there who see him as Superman, not the great actor who convincing looked like superman. I think it's almost a spit in his face saying that he is superman, not an actor. Dean Cain has the same problem.

Chris Reeve was a great superman and a great actor. Don't ruin his legacy. He's gone now, and we have a new superman. Brandon is NOT replacing CR, just picking up where he left off. We certainly shouldn't put his face on brandon's body. It almost seems like he can't freaking get away from it even after he's passed away. I think those pictures of CR's face on BR's body should be removed because it is mocking CR, even if it was made with the best intentions. He passed away, and we should respect him, not paste pictures of him on other people.

Dana Reeve thinks brandon looks just like her husband, yet you guys can't. She's moved on, and wishes Brandon luck as the next guy holding the torch, not saying that he is ruining her husband's legacy. Sometimes you guys need to just grow up.

[drknight]

AHEM--


GDW
Ah HA!!!

I was annoyed at first that this was simply a different size from the orig for comparison purposes.

So I changed the size and compared and lo and behold I discovered something.

The Reeve one has actually been made slightly WIDER, making him look bigger.

So it's not that Reeve looks better or makes the suit acceptable, or just allows us to see the suit as superman or what ever, but the image was altered to make him look bigger then Routh, or to make Royth's body look bigger, which ever way you want to look at it.

Point is that it is NOT just Reeve's head on Routh's body here, but it is Routh's altered body aswell.

[Orko Is King]

It's not Routh, it's not Singer, it's us-the fans. We are so used to Christopher Reeve as Superman that we can only picture him as the Man of Steel. You put Reeve in any suit and we will automatically think Superman. Its psychological, we associate Reeve with Superman. Now we have to get over the fact that Reeve isn't Superman so we turn to the next best thing, other incarnations of Superman. "Why didn't they use Dean Cain, why didn't they use Welling." This is the next phase, we associate these actors with Superman because they've played the part. Routh is new, he's foreign to us. When we look at him in the new suit we are wondering if that's really Superman. My opinion is that it isnt really the suit, because obviously people are now saying Reeve looks fantastic in it. It's not even Routh, it's Reeve. We were spoiled by Reeve as Superman for four movies and we can't get over it. He will always be Superman to us, and now Routh is trying to take his place. It's like a boy without a father, who can never accept his step-father as his dad when he is younger. As he gets older he realizes that this man is not trying to replace my father but trying to establish a new relationship with me. The boy realizes he is different but he is still a father figure. He may not dress the same, or act the same, but he is still my dad. Routh is now Superman, we have to accept this and move on. Reeve will always be Superman but now it's time for somebody new to take over the role. Remember the Micheal Keaton outcrys? Sure, Kilmer and Clooney couldn't hold his bat-belt but look what Bale did.

Give this guy a cookie.

[Pickle-El]

But did they hate the suit likers for liking the suit, or a different reason? I think it was the latter.

Why suit haters hate the suit likers is:

Matches Malone- Matches posts in a condescending manner, acting like he's talking down to the suit haters, even when they make valid points. He also brings up other things that posters have said to dismiss their arguments.

Milkman- Milkman's "It's still red so nyah" attitude shows lack of maturity and understanding of Superman. He dismisses things that make Superman SUPERMAN, and this frustrates suit likers because they are arguing with a person that does not fully understand what he is talking about. When suit haters explain, why he is wrong, he replies with posts that actually prove our point, but the suit likers team up with Milkman so he 'wins'.

Venom71- He acts like a child, refusing to hear anything wrong about the suit, dismisses facts, and acts like hes right when he's been proven wrong. The suit likers don't care about his childishness because they agree with him.

There are other people I can talk about, also.

Not even a shout out......I must be slippin. :rolleyes:

[dark_b]

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/239/srr8en.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

cage has a verry funny pose when he is standing.......... but the manip is very bad. just for fun.

[Eteric]

It's posts like this that makes me wish I could kick some of you in the nuts.

[Guyverjay]

I saw this manip:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg
Kudos to who made it.



Wow Reeve does make the suit look good:eek:

[Captain Villa]

2. Singer not telling Routh to bulk up.

Is it really the fault of them, or is it someone else? Is it..

..Routh?



as someone who is built like Reeve was, it is not possible to "bulk" up and look big in a short amount of time or possibly in a longer time.

Only short ass people can bulk up and look big. Large people in height, simply get toned.

You either have a trade off. Tall and built or above average and big.

I will go for the tall, IF and IF he is built and toned.

[dark_b]

so reeves head makes the suit better???????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????

[ZeroSuit]

intresting manip, as for routh, he looks good to me, i really really think we should see the movie before we keep ragging on singer/routh/the suit/everything.

[Venom71]

But did they hate the suit likers for liking the suit, or a different reason? I think it was the latter.

Why suit haters hate the suit likers is:

Matches Malone- Matches posts in a condescending manner, acting like he's talking down to the suit haters, even when they make valid points. He also brings up other things that posters have said to dismiss their arguments.

Milkman- Milkman's "It's still red so nyah" attitude shows lack of maturity and understanding of Superman. He dismisses things that make Superman SUPERMAN, and this frustrates suit likers because they are arguing with a person that does not fully understand what he is talking about. When suit haters explain, why he is wrong, he replies with posts that actually prove our point, but the suit likers team up with Milkman so he 'wins'.

Venom71- He acts like a child, refusing to hear anything wrong about the suit, dismisses facts, and acts like hes right when he's been proven wrong. The suit likers don't care about his childishness because they agree with him.

There are other people I can talk about, also.
Me thinks you really need to lighten up some Saph. Yes I may act childish sometimes...but I am a child at heart...I will never grow up....I am a Toys R' Us Kid! Nothing wrong with that BTW :D IMO their is nothing wrong with the suit....what facts? Me Wrong? Never :p

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

The two prominent complaints on these boards are:

1. The suit.

2. The muscle.

Any underwhelming presences caused by these 'problems' in Superman pictures, are blamed on:

1. The Costume Designer

2. Singer not telling Routh to bulk up.

Is it really the fault of them, or is it someone else? Is it..

..Routh?

I'm no Wellingite. I supported Routh when he was cast. Whenever I disliked something in this movie, I never blamed Routh.

Until now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Kyorca/050902_Superman_wide.png
We're all familiar with this picture. It flared up the argument on Routh's size, because this picture shows Routh as being very skinny, while other pictures show Reeve size.

I saw this manip:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg
Kudos to who made it.

This manip is, obviously, just Reeve pasted on Routh's body. And look at the difference.

The suit doesn't look so bad.

He doesn't look so small.

It appears that it is the actor that determines how things appear, not the suit, or his actual size.

And Routh doesn't create the same impression. Will he surpass Reeve? Not likely, going by these pictures.

Routh still needs to show us if he can handle the Man of Steel. He has the voice, but does he have the rest?

Like I said before Routh is a Reeve / Welling Hybrid but very water down...
He just looks all wrong, and I don't blame him it's not his fault he doesn't look like SUPERMAN!

I blame Singer for miss casting him... :o

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/239/srr8en.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

cage has a verry funny pose when he is standing.......... but the manip is very bad. just for fun.

lol you know even Routh looks better then Nick Cage... But atleast we know Cage can act... :eek: This one could go either way! lol

[Scorpion]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Kyorca/050902_Superman_wide.png

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/supersebas/srr.jpg



How SAD and PATHETIC is this? Chris Reeve's head on that loser WRALFF's body make sthis pic a 1,000,000 times better! Hilarious!!!

[King Krypton]

How SAD and PATHETIC is this? Chris Reeve's head on that loser WRALFF's body make sthis pic a 1,000,000 times better! Hilarious!!!

Brainless, ignorant comment targeted, Captain...
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1849/torpedoesaway7iy.jpg

[Metropolis_Man]

lol you know even Routh looks better then Nick Cage... But atleast we know Cage can act... :eek: This one could go either way! lol

Yeah, thats true, Cage can act, but I just can't see him a Superman. Maybe he would've been good for the Burton Superman movies, but not this one. I have yet to see how Brandons acting abilities are though. They must be good enough for Singer to cast him.

[Mr. Socko]

I like the new costume and I have no problem with the muscles. This ain't the comics with a Superman that has bulging muscles.

[nosebleed.]

as someone who is built like Reeve was, it is not possible to "bulk" up and look big in a short amount of time or possibly in a longer time.

Only short ass people can bulk up and look big. Large people in height, simply get toned.

You either have a trade off. Tall and built or above average and big.

I will go for the tall, IF and IF he is built and toned.

How did Bale do it then? He's not exactly short.

[dark_b]

How did Bale do it then? He's not exactly short.
dna

[nosebleed.]

dna is "and" backwards.

[dark_b]

is "and" backwards.
sorry.......... i was trying to tell that i think that he has got good genes. bale was telling thatt he never worked out but he always had muscles. hes just on of those lucky guys

[Captain Villa]

How did Bale do it then? He's not exactly short.

Bale is NOT tall, in the true sense. He may top 6' but being 6'4" is a different issue.

[nosebleed.]

Bale is NOT tall, in the true sense. He may top 6' but being 6'4" is a different issue.

If Bale is 6' then he's only 2" shorter than Routh. Not that big of a difference.

[Agentdemon]

If Bale is 6' then he's only 2" shorter than Routh. Not that big of a difference.

No, bale is 6'2''. Go to gettyimages and search for Batman begin's opening and you'll see him side by side with Freeman and Liam Neeson.

[nosebleed.]

6' or 6'2"...whatever. The point I'm trying to get across is that you don't have to be short to gain bulk in a short amount of time because Bale did it.

[IT is Batgirl]

No, bale is 6'2''. Go to gettyimages and search for Batman begin's opening and you'll see him side by side with Freeman and Liam Neeson.

He's shorter than Freeman and Neeson.

I thought Bale called himself 6' in an interview last year.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52998728.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA53A95B58FB16D35ADE2577AD5B9 BD6DECC1D82A96837DEF

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52998565.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=5EEB7829CDAF634705B0F171B8533315A9C30E9B9B11 4CE8

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/53058909.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DE9A21091711E5AD1EFFDE442E6069 0E987757C85AE85A779B

[ultimatefan]

The problem is fanboys who got used to artists who draw Superman like he´s high on steroids... Routh has the elegant physique of old school Superman, like Curt Swan.

[Agentdemon]

Batgirl, I never saw an interview where bale said he was 6 foot but from judging from the getty images he's approx. 2 inches shorter than neeson( who's 6'4'') and about as tall as freeman who's 6'2'' 1/2.

[IT is Batgirl]

Batgirl, I never saw an interview where bale said he was 6 foot but from judging from the getty images he's approx. 2 inches shorter than neeson( who's 6'4'') and about as tall as freeman who's 6'2'' 1/2.
It was on the bat hype, that quote.

And I really don't see how Bale is anywhere near Freeman's height. The only time where Bale seems to be roughly the same height as Freeman is when Freeman's slouching.

Bale was even shorter than Freeman in BB.

[sf2]

bale is shorter than freeman and neeson definitely.

[bauer power]

ive been lookin at these threads now for the past four years without ever signin up! i have now n how could someone blame brandon routh for the fact that it isnt ur superman?? someone makes a manip of christopher reeve and all of a sudden its the perfect superman? because he has a bigger head and because of the fact that he has been THE superman for three generations!!!! how ridiculous is that? i am absolutely buzzin at the fact that a new superman film is bein made! the special effects, the story, the cast n the music make this film worth seeing! brandon routh looks the part, whether or nor he can act the part remains to be seen but comic con swayed a lot of peoples minds and bryan singer hasnt really dropped the ball yet has he? i cant wait for this film to come along so that nearly every person who finds something to complain about shuts up! this will be one of the biggest films ever and i think it will go the way of batman begins. no one has complained about that film because it is very very good but you find the same people moanin about the same things! the suit! the emblem on the suit! the cape! oh my god hes not big enough when hes about three times the size of most people writing on this board!!!! im sure that people will find loadsa stuff to complain about when it comes out though..... like why was supermans hair parted on the right hand side when it should have been on the left or whatever? WHO CARES!!!! could you direct a 200 million dollar film and make it entertaining to the masses? didnt think so....

[sf2]

well said, bp.

but one thing... personally i don't think BB is a very very good. i prefer more tim burton's batman.

[Agentdemon]

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=53067054&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=53058909&cdi=0

Clearly, bale and freeman are almost the same height. Now let's get back on topic.

[sf2]

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1701/bts0070uv.jpg
we said this is a pre-production shot. it's just a trial. we will hardly see it in the movie.
but after seeing some of his superman shots... i still fail to see he has 'it'. is that my problem or his?

the 'it' returns.

[Venom71]

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1701/bts0070uv.jpg
we said this is a pre-production shot. it's just a trial. we will hardly see it in the movie.
but after seeing some of his superman shots... i still fail to see he has 'it'. is that my problem or his?

the 'it' returns.
I would say that it is your problem I see Superman in Routh
:up: :supes:

[AgentPat]

...after seeing some of his superman shots... i still fail to see he has 'it'. is that my problem or his?Neither. For those that don't see "it," it's Warner's problem. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/shrug.gif

<- feels the pain.

[sf2]

Neither. For those that don't see "it," it's Warner's problem. http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/shrug.gif

<- feels the pain.
:up: i was so worry and almost want to get my eyes checked. that's right. it isn't my problem. it's WB's problem. what's a relief.

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

I would say that it is your problem I see Superman in Routh
:up: :supes:

LOL The only way Routh will have "superman in him" is if he shares the sort of love that we dares not speak its name in these forums with TOM WELLING! :o

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1701/bts0070uv.jpg
we said this is a pre-production shot. it's just a trial. we will hardly see it in the movie.
but after seeing some of his superman shots... i still fail to see he has 'it'. is that my problem or his?

the 'it' returns.

It's not you my friend it's BRANDON... He just simply doesn't have the "IT" Factor.. HE just doesn't look like SUPERMAN!
Funny story I just recently started a new job, and today I was training with this supervisor whos 27, stright, married with kids, and he was telling me how he needed to go home early on thursday cause he didnt want to miss Smallville.
I didn't even bring it up the whole convo started because he said he was going to be late tonight, and that his wife was going to be mad because his wife wanted to see her favorite show... He takes her to work, and picks her up everyday, he then told me that the only 3 shows he watches is Surface, Lost, Smallville.. I said "cool you like Smallville?" He was like "Oh man I F'in love that show! That s**t is awsome!" I asked him if he was going to watch the movie, and his exact words were "Yea ill eventually see it but im not excited about it, and probably won't see it in theaters.." I asked him if he had seen the guy who plays Superman, and his exact words were "Yea that's the reason im not excited about the movie.. He is the bad part of the movie..." He also went to say that he hated the suit, and thought it made a joke out of the character, and he said he almost threw up when he read that Singer said that this is his most romantic, and funny movie ever.
I swear on my kids life on this... I was laughing my behind off, and safe to say today I made a new friend at my new job.
The guy's right on the money with his thoughts, and again only proves my point even if only to me that im not the only one upset about the casting in this flick.
The general opinion is that Routh, and the Suit are all wrong.... The WB, and Bryan Singer have not only let the fans down but they have let the character of SUPERMAN down...
So yea it's not you.. It's BRANDON.

[Pickle-El]

LOL The only way Routh will have "superman in him" is if he shares the sort of love that we dares not speak its name in these forums with TOM WELLING! :o


You must have missed the casting wars.....there was anything BUT love for Tom Welling when everyone was attacking him last June-August. :rolleyes:

Troll, be happy, you're getting your loving man wearing a suit on Smallville's final episode. You'd think that would be enough for you to stop your *****ing about Routh.

Which WB did btw, as a way to satisfy current Smallville fans AND as a way of doing it only AFTER Superman Returns hits the theatres next year and Routh is plastered EVERYWHERE as Superman.

[Nightwing1977]

It's not you my friend it's BRANDON... He just simply doesn't have the "IT" Factor.. HE just doesn't look like SUPERMAN!
Funny story I just recently started a new job, and today I was training with this supervisor whos 27, stright, married with kids, and he was telling me how he needed to go home early on thursday cause he didnt want to miss Smallville.
I didn't even bring it up the whole convo started because he said he was going to be late tonight because his wife wanted to see her favorite show he then told me that the only 3 shows he watches is Surface, Lost, Smallville.. I said "cool you like Smallville?" He was like "Oh man I love that show! That s--t is awsome!" I asked him if he was going to watch the movie, and his exact words were "Yea ill eventually see it but im not excited about it.." I asked him if he had seen the guy who plays Superman, and his exact words were "Yea thats the reason im not excited about the movie.. He is the bad part of the movie..." He also went to say that he hated the suit, and thought it made a joke out of the character, and he said he almost threw up when he read that Singer said that this is his most romantic, and funny movie ever.
I swear on my kids life on this... I was laughing my behind off, and safe to say today I made a new friend at my new job.
The guy's right on the money with his thoughts, and again only proves my point even if only to me that im not the only one upset about the casting in this flick.
The general opinion is that Routh, and the Suit are all wrong.... The WB, and Bryan Singer have not only let the fans down but they have let the character of SUPERMAN down...
So yea it's not you.. It's BRANDON.

Excuse excuse, Wellingite. I'm not believing you about this guy you mention, especially when it sound laughable about how you made it up. And you claim WB & Singer let down the fans? Please! They only let down those whiny fanboys who demand what they want. They didn't let me down yet & I'm a fan. And the general opinion is all wrong? More like your opinion, not what everyone is feeling. And you don't know nothing if they let the character down 'cause you haven't seen the damn movie. :rolleyes:

[Pickle-El]

LOL The only way Routh will have "superman in him" is if he shares the sort of love that we dares not speak its name in these forums with TOM WELLING! :o



It's not you my friend it's BRANDON... He just simply doesn't have the "IT" Factor.. HE just doesn't look like SUPERMAN!
Funny story I just recently started a new job, and today I was training with this supervisor whos 27, stright, married with kids, and he was telling me how he needed to go home early on thursday cause he didnt want to miss Smallville.
I didn't even bring it up the whole convo started because he said he was going to be late tonight because his wife wanted to see her favorite show he then told me that the only 3 shows he watches is Surface, Lost, Smallville.. I said "cool you like Smallville?" He was like "Oh man I love that show! That s--t is awsome!" I asked him if he was going to watch the movie, and his exact words were "Yea ill eventually see it but im not excited about it.." I asked him if he had seen the guy who plays Superman, and his exact words were "Yea thats the reason im not excited about the movie.. He is the bad part of the movie..." He also went to say that he hated the suit, and thought it made a joke out of the character, and he said he almost threw up when he read that Singer said that this is his most romantic, and funny movie ever.
I swear on my kids life on this... I was laughing my behind off, and safe to say today I made a new friend at my new job.
The guy's right on the money with his thoughts, and again only proves my point even if only to me that im not the only one upset about the casting in this flick.
The general opinion is that Routh, and the Suit are all wrong.... The WB, and Bryan Singer have not only let the fans down but they have let the character of SUPERMAN down...
So yea it's not you.. It's BRANDON.


I could have sworn you made this exact same post about 1 month ago when you were at work and you brought up Smallville in front of the water cooler :rolleyes:

FEARTHEKNIGHT.......give it up man. You're fighting a losing battle.....Routh hasn't even given his performance yet, and he has you ****ting your pants because you think in 2 hours he and Singer might just be able to very quickly restore the name of Superman to heights never seen before (including ALL incarnations)...and you don't like the thought of millions upon millions of people seeing Brandon Routh as Superman in 06' and beyond.

IS that what bothers you so much? Because, I'm pretty you won't be able to convince the millions of kids who see this movie that your boy is a better pic when Brandon Routh is the one with the S on his chest flying across the silver screen. :o

AND, you better hope that nothing close to the 57 Million people who saw Superman:The Movie in theatres in 1978 come out to see this new one.......oh boy, wouldn't that to happen!!!!


J

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

You must have missed the casting wars.....there was anything BUT love for Tom Welling when everyone was attacking him last June-August. :rolleyes:

Troll, be happy, you're getting your loving man wearing a suit on Smallville's final episode. You'd think that would be enough for you to stop your *****ing about Routh.

Which WB did btw, as a way to satisfy current Smallville fans AND as a way of doing it only AFTER Superman Returns hits the theatres next year and Routh is plastered EVERYWHERE as Superman.


The only troll is you Pickle...Your a troll because you keep coming here, and picking fights, and started flame wars.
STOP REPLYING to my posts, and put me on ignore if you don't like my opinions... But STOP TROLLING!

P.S
I doubt welling will ever wear the suit since he would make Routh look like a fool in a bad costume... Oh wait! He already looks that way lol... :o

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

I could have sworn you made this exact same post about 1 month ago when you were at work and you brought up Smallville in front of the water cooler :rolleyes:

FEARTHEKNIGHT.......give it up man. You're fighting a losing battle.....Routh hasn't even given his performance yet, and he has you ****ting your pants because you think in 2 hours he and Singer might just be able to very quickly restore the name of Superman to heights never seen before (including ALL incarnations)...and you don't like the thought of millions upon millions of people seeing Brandon Routh as Superman in 06' and beyond.

IS that what bothers you so much? Because, I'm pretty you won't be able to convince the millions of kids who see this movie that your boy is a better pic when Brandon Routh is the one with the S on his chest flying across the silver screen. :o

AND, you better hope that nothing close to the 57 Million people who saw Superman:The Movie in theatres in 1978 come out to see this new one.......oh boy, wouldn't that to happen!!!!


J

Well if you must know the story I told a month ago was about my friend SETH who was in my old job who's a comic nerd, and he came over to my desk, and saw this very site up, and I has the "Caption this" page up, and he saw the picture of brandon, and his words were "dude thats the new superman? man this movie's going to lose so much money..." he doesn't care about SMALLVILLE, and doesn't care for the older movies.
He likes the comics cause he's a comic nerd, and he even said Welling would be a better Superman.
Now this story is diffrent from the one that happened to me TODAY!
I don't give a rats behind if you believe me or not pickle I will live thank you very much...Your opinions, and stupid comments don't mean anything to me.
As for me fighting a dying battle guess what! IM NOT FIGHTING ANY sort of battle you twit!
Im only expressing my opinions on here, and since you didn't actually put me on ignore like you said you would dude It shows that your getting a kick out of starting flame wars... SO YEA STOP TROLLING, and LEAVE ME ALONE!

Oh, and trust me this movie is going to do nothing but make Singer, the WB, and Brandon Routh into the laughing stock of hollywood...

You know kind of how you are in your own house hold.... :o

Excuse excuse, Wellingite. I'm not believing you about this guy you mention, especially when it sound laughable about how you made it up. And you claim WB & Singer let down the fans? Please! They only let down those whiny fanboys who demand what they want. They didn't let me down yet & I'm a fan. And the general opinion is all wrong? More like your opinion, not what everyone is feeling. And you don't know nothing if they let the character down 'cause you haven't seen the damn movie. :rolleyes:

I don't care if you believe me or not.. It's the truth, and that's the bottom line.
You are allowed your own opinion, and unlike others here I wouldn't argue with you on your opinion.
If you like the movie good happy someone does... Enjoy it.
No hard feelings here cus I don't care what you do with your life.

[Pickle-El]

The only troll is you Pickle...Your a troll because you keep coming here, and picking fights, and started flame wars.
STOP REPLYING to my posts, and put me on ignore if you don't like my opinions... But STOP TROLLING!

P.S
I doubt welling will ever wear the suit since he would make Routh look like a fool in a bad costume... Oh wait! He already looks that way lol... :o


^^^^^^^^^^
And,
I'm the troll....this is the Superman Returns board and look at what you are typing out. Right, I go to the Smallville board and pick fights and backhand the show every chance I get. :rolleyes: Don't get mad because I call you out on your 'opinions' that are nothing more than disguises to bash Routh/Singer/SR by saying, 'oh i know so many smallville fans that won't watch the movie because it's stupid. They all think Welling should have been Superman.'

Am I wrong, is that not your defense everytime you get called out? It's hilarious, someone on your side of the fence tends to call someone like me a 'sheep'. When in fact, all YOU do is praise a show that has no bearing on SR, bash the principal actors, bash the director, and pretty much bash everything you get the chance too. While on the other hand, I pretty much am taking a wait-and see approach. One which, seems to not be an option anymore on this board. So, while I am waiting and seeing (and liking so far) what I see, and you, bash whatever you can while bringing up and praising certain TV show and it's principal actor, I must ask........Who's the sheep here, who's been the sheep all along?

OH, and I can't wait for Thursday...you know why?!?!? Because, I'm waiting and seeing, and I like the commercials I've seen so far. NOT BECAUSE, someone else was cast as the lead for the motion picture, and I feel the show is a throwaway waste of time. If I was like you, I would done the exact opposite and never even bothered after S4 was over.....

You may be opinionated, yes. But, you really reach sometimes with the logic.....that's where it gets you in trouble with all the others posters here.

[Excel]

***** about brandon all you want when you can name somebody whode be better that is an unknown and is not tom welling. when the trailer comes out your all going to be eating your words.

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

***** about brandon all you want when you can name somebody whode be better that is an unknown and is not tom welling. when the trailer comes out your all going to be eating your words.

MIKE OHEARN is better then both Routh or Welling, and he is an UNKNOWN! :o

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-17.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-4.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-7.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/cartoonzxtreme/Superman.jpg
http://www.scottbeatty.com/resource/covers/SUPERMANASGCover.jpghttp://www.citizenlunchbox.com/ebay/comics/cdrom-superman.jpg

[Pickle-El]

^

Better, as far as what? Which one has the biggest roid' induced head this side of Barry Bonds!?!?

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

^

Better, as far as what? Which one has the biggest roid' induced head this side of Barry Bonds!?!?

Roids or not the guy simply looks the part, and that's something that Routh doesn't have going for him... :o

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

^^^^^^^^^^
And,
I'm the troll....this is the Superman Returns board and look at what you are typing out. Right, I go to the Smallville board and pick fights and backhand the show every chance I get. :rolleyes: Don't get mad because I call you out on your 'opinions' that are nothing more than disguises to bash Routh/Singer/SR by saying, 'oh i know so many smallville fans that won't watch the movie because it's stupid. They all think Welling should have been Superman.'

Am I wrong, is that not your defense everytime you get called out? It's hilarious, someone on your side of the fence tends to call someone like me a 'sheep'. When in fact, all YOU do is praise a show that has no bearing on SR, bash the principal actors, bash the director, and pretty much bash everything you get the chance too. While on the other hand, I pretty much am taking a wait-and see approach. One which, seems to not be an option anymore on this board. So, while I am waiting and seeing (and liking so far) what I see, and you, bash whatever you can while bringing up and praising certain TV show and it's principal actor, I must ask........Who's the sheep here, who's been the sheep all along?

OH, and I can't wait for Thursday...you know why?!?!? Because, I'm waiting and seeing, and I like the commercials I've seen so far. NOT BECAUSE, someone else was cast as the lead for the motion picture, and I feel the show is a throwaway waste of time. If I was like you, I would done the exact opposite and never even bothered after S4 was over.....

You may be opinionated, yes. But, you really reach sometimes with the logic.....that's where it gets you in trouble with all the others posters here.


blah blah blah... blah blah blah... :o

By the way im not trolling you twit look at the topic in this thread... :o

[KaptainKrypton]

[QUOTE=FEAR THE KNIGHT]MIKE OHEARN is better then both Routh or Welling, and he is an UNKNOWN! :o

I don't disagree with you that O'Hearn looks like a comic book hero come to life. His acting just sucks major suck. As for him being better than Routh or even Welling, I think you may have been smoking the Bat-Pipe too much as of recent. It seems as though we'd have to agree to disagree. On a different note, does anybody else find it odd that Sandy Collora's (I know the spelling is different) last name is also a disease? How lovely is that?

[Excel]

ohern does look the part. but youd be being ignorant if you say that looking the part is more important than acting the part, my friend. and you cannot say that-for a fact-routhe is a bad superman in terms of acting. so your arguments dead in the water.

[sf2]

MIKE OHEARN is better then both Routh or Welling, and he is an UNKNOWN! :o

you are joking, ain't you?

[KaptainKrypton]

ohern does look the part. but youd be being ignorant if you say that looking the part is more important than acting the part, my friend. and you cannot say that-for a fact-routhe is a bad superman in terms of acting. so your arguments dead in the water.
Definitely. We have no idea how Routh will ACT as Superman. I've heard most of the prophecies of doom surrounding the movie based on looks alone. This is the kind of reaction I heard at comic shops when Keaton was cast as Batman (and being eight years old at the time I'd only remembered him from movies like The Dream Team, Beetlejuice, and Mr. Mom so I was puzzled too), only to have many people (including my old man) recant and repent upon their first viewing of the film. Am I skeptical on the choice of an unproven unknown? A tad. But if Routh is as good a find as Jackman was, then a new "custodian" of the Superman mythos will be born next June. Besides, Reeve looked like a complete turbo-nerd before people had the chance to watch him fly. Major turbo-nerd. :supes:

[KaptainKrypton]

you are joking, ain't you?
If not, he needs Bat-Therapy! :up:

[StarvingArtist]

you are joking, ain't you?

Nope. He isn't.

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

ohern does look the part. but youd be being ignorant if you say that looking the part is more important than acting the part, my friend. and you cannot say that-for a fact-routhe is a bad superman in terms of acting. so your arguments dead in the water.

point out where I said that looking the part is more important then acting the part?
Cause I NEVER SAID THAT!
To make a good Superman movie, and have an actor who can pull it off you need a person who both looks the part, and can act... Again two things that Routh doesn't have going for him.
The guy can't act, (got thrown off a tv show for bad acting) and he doesn't look the part at all...
All I said was that "look" wise O'hearn beats both Welling & Routh.
O'hearns acting is not something I know a whole lot off since he is an UNKNOWN, and unlike Routh wasn't thrown off a tv show for BAD ACTING!
You want a man who has the perfect blend of good acting, and the right look go clone Chris Reeve... HE HAD both parts down to a science...

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

Definitely. We have no idea how Routh will ACT as Superman. I've heard most of the prophecies of doom surrounding the movie based on looks alone. This is the kind of reaction I heard at comic shops when Keaton was cast as Batman (and being eight years old at the time I'd only remembered him from movies like The Dream Team, Beetlejuice, and Mr. Mom so I was puzzled too), only to have many people (including my old man) recant and repent upon their first viewing of the film. Am I skeptical on the choice of an unproven unknown? A tad. But if Routh is as good a find as Jackman was, then a new "custodian" of the Superman mythos will be born next June. Besides, Reeve looked like a complete turbo-nerd before people had the chance to watch him fly. Major turbo-nerd. :supes:

Yeah but when Reeve bulked up, and was given the Superman make over he looked the part like no other... Routh looks more like mighty mouse then Superman... EVEN with the superman make over, and him working out.
Even though he didnt get to big he only got lean, and cut.

[KaptainKrypton]

Yeah but when Reeve bulked up, and was given the Superman make over he looked the part like no other... Routh looks more like mighty mouse then Superman... EVEN with the superman make over, and him working out.
Even though he didnt get to big he only got lean, and cut.
Reeve was hardly cut for the films. His diet was incorrectly carried out and he gained weight, though not all of it was muscle (hence the high trunks). I've seen a grip of photos where Reeve didn't have half the musculature that Routh has. Reeve may have outweighed him, but the extra pounds that were on him weren't good ones. Not to toot my own horn, but I can spot flab a mile away. I train people for a living. Looking at Routh, his physique smears Reeve's hands down. Reeve was his leanest in Superman IV, and that was actually when his face and neck looked the best because he wasn't too puffy from David Prowse feeding him garbage and working him through an archaic lifting regimen. The only problem was that when he dropped all the fat, he shrunk up a little.

[Excel]

so basically fears complaining that he isnt christopher reeve. ok. makes sense to me.

[sf2]

so basically fears complaining that he isnt christopher reeve. ok. makes sense to me.
No, it isn't. and we know the fact that he had gone. it's more than that.

i'm one of those who don't like neither TW nor JC. we want an unknown and when singer gave us BR, we were very happy. he is good looking and physically fit the role. however, after seeing all his supes photos till now, we found that he just looks like a guy in bluetights. something is missing... something isn't right and we called it 'it'.

is it still too early for him to radiate the quality of 'it'?

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/8651/routhsup6fw.jpg
here are some of the photos of him as supes we have seen. can you see 'it' in him?

[Blade Runner]

I believe that bottum left picture is a manip, the original picture is much worse looking.

[Pickle-El]

No, it isn't. and we know the fact that he had gone. it's more than that.

i'm one of those who don't like neither TW nor JC. we want an unknown and when singer gave us BR, we were very happy. he is good looking and physically fit the role. however, after seeing all his supes photos till now, we found that he just looks like a guy in bluetights. something is missing... something isn't right and we called it 'it'.

is it still too early for him to radiate the quality of 'it'?

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/8651/routhsup6fw.jpg
here are some of the photos of him as supes we have seen. can you see 'it' in him?

Yes, C.Reeve......that's the 'it' you ARE referring to correct? (because according to 'real' Superman fans, no one else has/will come close)

Should that be the case, allow me to let you in on a little secret....Hindsight is always 20/20.

[sf2]

Yes, C.Reeve......that's the 'it' you ARE referring to correct? (because according to 'real' Superman fans, no one else has/will come close)

Should that be the case, allow me to let you in on a little secret....Hindsight is always 20/20.
NO!!! the "it" isn't C.Reeve.
i can see the "it" quality in Clive Owen. and he doesn't look a bit like Reeve.
anyway, i just can't embrace him like you do... just not yet...

[Nightwing1977]

It obvious to me FEAR is nothing but a troll who keep bashing SR & ranting on it with no logic, while also making up poor excuses. I thought trolls are not allow on a forum that is about debating a movie, not bash it over & over. Isn't that a way to get banned? And it amusing he keep bringing up that Routh was fired from some soap opera which was a long time ago. Any good talent can get fired if a director don't like the actor doing the part. I bet if Christopher Reeve was in Routh's shoes instead on the soap opera, he would been fired as well. Singer don't look for people who were fired from tv show years ago. He look for a talent unknown & it seem like this will prove Routh has it.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I look at those pictures and see Superman..Did you really see dean cain as superman until he was in the suit.?


Man i can't wait to see him in the first teaser.

[dark_b]

No, it isn't. and we know the fact that he had gone. it's more than that.

i'm one of those who don't like neither TW nor JC. we want an unknown and when singer gave us BR, we were very happy. he is good looking and physically fit the role. however, after seeing all his supes photos till now, we found that he just looks like a guy in bluetights. something is missing... something isn't right and we called it 'it'.

is it still too early for him to radiate the quality of 'it'?

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/8651/routhsup6fw.jpg
here are some of the photos of him as supes we have seen. can you see 'it' in him?i was not born when the first superman was out. so i saw first the movie and than the pics. i think that the movie will show us if he was a good choice or a bad.

p.s. from all pics only three are official....... and their are the best. behind the scene pics dont count.

[Venom71]

MIKE OHEARN is better then both Routh or Welling, and he is an UNKNOWN! :o

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-17.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-4.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-7.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/cartoonzxtreme/Superman.jpg
http://www.scottbeatty.com/resource/covers/SUPERMANASGCover.jpghttp://www.citizenlunchbox.com/ebay/comics/cdrom-superman.jpg
AND HE COULDN'T ACT HIS WAY OUT OF A PAPER BAG...HE DID A FAN MADE FILM...HE WAS TESTED BY SINGER AND DIDN'T GET THE PART.

[Saph]

After seeing all the pictures of Routh in one place, I now think he doesn't look like Superman.

He has to convince me he's Superman in Superman Returns, and if he doesn't, then that's the whole film ruined, isn't it?

[Venom71]

I look at those pictures and see Superman..Did you really see dean cain as superman until he was in the suit.?


Man i can't wait to see him in the first teaser.
I agree...I see Superman in those pics :up: :supes:

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

After seeing all the pictures of Routh in one place, I now think he doesn't look like Superman.

He has to convince me he's Superman in Superman Returns, and if he doesn't, then that's the whole film ruined, isn't it?

dude has a long way to go before im sold on him being superman... I can't see him as Superboy let alone Superman...

[Nightwing1977]

After seeing all the pictures of Routh in one place, I now think he doesn't look like Superman.

He has to convince me he's Superman in Superman Returns, and if he doesn't, then that's the whole film ruined, isn't it?

Then why you have him on your avatar if you don't seem confident & that he don't look the part? I think you're doing it again.

[Thot]

In all fairness....Routh deserves the chance to prove himself as Supes in the upcoming film. He may very well pull it off. I am willing to give him that chance, I'll be in line for the movie next summer. BUT,...and it's (as Pee Wee said) a Big "BUT", the photos released so far are quite underwhelming and of great concern. The suit really bites and Routh's physique is questionable. The combination is not encouraging so far. I WANT to like this movie and have been anticipating a new Superman film for many moons, but I'm disappointed by what I've seen so far.

[Saph]

Then why you have him on your avatar if you don't seem confident & that he don't look the part? I think you're doing it again.
It doesn't stop the shot from looking cool, does it?

Oh, and you decided to ignore my comment on how i'm giving Routh a chance.

[afan]

Here's something I find interesting and contradictory.

Obviously a heated debate has arisen regarding whether Routh has the Superman look, and yet there seems to be a unilateral agreement that he exudes Clark Kent.
Now as many posters have stated, the glasses are at best a very flimsy disguise; Clark and Superman are obviously the same person to the audience.
So how does this happen; where exactly does Routh lose the look?
Do the clothes truly make the man?

[antmanx68]

Reeve was hardly cut for the films. His diet was incorrectly carried out and he gained weight, though not all of it was muscle (hence the high trunks). I've seen a grip of photos where Reeve didn't have half the musculature that Routh has. Reeve may have outweighed him, but the extra pounds that were on him weren't good ones. Not to toot my own horn, but I can spot flab a mile away. I train people for a living. Looking at Routh, his physique smears Reeve's hands down. Reeve was his leanest in Superman IV, and that was actually when his face and neck looked the best because he wasn't too puffy from David Prowse feeding him garbage and working him through an archaic lifting regimen. The only problem was that when he dropped all the fat, he shrunk up a little.

REally? Care to post some photos illustrating all these "bad" pounds that Reeve was carrying around? Because not only did he have some good size, but his chisled face and well defined neck area definitely gives the appearance of "cut", certainly moreso than Routh and his cherubic face.

I havent seen any pictures of Reeve where he has been anything but what many fans describe as Superman: Large size, muscular, not overly ripped.

http://images.zap2it.com/20041011/christopherreeve_superman_240.jpg

http://www.kualosw.com/eevyl/files/superman.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041011/041011_reeve_superman_vmed.vmedium.jpg

[King Krypton]

It obvious to me FEAR is nothing but a troll who keep bashing SR & ranting on it with no logic, while also making up poor excuses. I thought trolls are not allow on a forum that is about debating a movie, not bash it over & over. Isn't that a way to get banned? And it amusing he keep bringing up that Routh was fired from some soap opera which was a long time ago. Any good talent can get fired if a director don't like the actor doing the part.

I think it bears mentioning that FEAR is Fanboy Xtream/BladeRunner (not to be confused with the other Blade Runner)/whatever other names he uses at The Kryptonian, who was banned earlier this year for a very notorious IM attack on one of the film's creative personnel. He's had it in for Routh from the instant he was cast, and has been violently demanding either Welling (and more recently, O'Hearn as sloppy seconds) to replace him, never mind that Welling said he never wanted the part. He's been out for blood almost from the very beginning.

As for Reeve's build in Superman IV, he didn't weight-train for that film due to a back injury he sustained (herniated disk). He opted for doing 200 or more sit-ups a day in order to firm up for the film. Hence, Superman's thinner, slightly blocker look in that film.

[Excel]

the "it" their speaking of SHOULD be the actors ability to portray the character, not their look.

[Excel]

and dont post pics of reeve when hes in his thrites as superman. routhe is what...25? post pics of reeve then. in his first superman film he was hardly cut. routhe imop is probably more cut then reeve was.

[Saph]

and dont post pics of reeve when hes in his thrites as superman. routhe is what...25? post pics of reeve then. in his first superman film he was hardly cut. routhe imop is probably more cut then reeve was.So what are you saying? Don't post picture of Reeve showing him in better shape than Routh?

[Milkman95]

^Not possible, Routh is in better shape...............

[Nightwing1977]

^Not possible, Routh is in better shape...............

I concur.

[Excel]

I said POST Pics of reeve when hes routhesage cause like reev did, routhe will get bigger as he gets older.

[Mr. Socko]

I don't think there is anything wrong with Routh's size and I love the new Superman suit, it's my favorite.

[KaptainKrypton]

REally? Care to post some photos illustrating all these "bad" pounds that Reeve was carrying around? Because not only did he have some good size, but his chisled face and well defined neck area definitely gives the appearance of "cut", certainly moreso than Routh and his cherubic face.

I havent seen any pictures of Reeve where he has been anything but what many fans describe as Superman: Large size, muscular, not overly ripped.

http://images.zap2it.com/20041011/christopherreeve_superman_240.jpg

http://www.kualosw.com/eevyl/files/superman.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041011/041011_reeve_superman_vmed.vmedium.jpg
Not to backpedal or sound like I think you're right, but I did see a photo of Reeve on HERE of all places with no shirt during filming of the first film and he was soft. The suit just smoothed out the lines a little. It gives almost the same effect when a pudgy football player wears Under Armour. If someone can remember where that picture is, please post it. Otherwise, I'll have to dig myself (which considering my lack of computer skill, will take a while).

[sf2]

In all fairness....Routh deserves the chance to prove himself as Supes in the upcoming film. He may very well pull it off. I am willing to give him that chance, I'll be in line for the movie next summer. BUT,...and it's (as Pee Wee said) a Big "BUT", the photos released so far are quite underwhelming and of great concern. The suit really bites and Routh's physique is questionable. The combination is not encouraging so far. I WANT to like this movie and have been anticipating a new Superman film for many moons, but I'm disappointed by what I've seen so far.
thanks. that's my feeling exactly. he is the new superman and i want to embrace him right away like i did when he was first announced as superman. but i just can't after seeing all those pics... just not yet...

the "it" their speaking of SHOULD be the actors ability to portray the character, not their look.
well, 'it' isn't very much about the acting ability. simply put, the "it" is the hero charm. you can sense 'it' in some people, even though they are normal men or some bad guys.

[KaptainKrypton]

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SuperFeats/LoisJimmy/makeup1.jpg

Look here. Not to blaspheme against Reeve as he is my messiah, but Physically Routh has a better body and more vascularity than Reeve did. Notice that Reeve has no pectoral separation and his deltoids have zero definition. He looked damn good in costume, but he couldn't even finish in the top five of a regional bodybuilding show in Idaho. Just guessing his body fat is at least around 15% which is hardly close to the eight or less Routh is likely carrying. This is not me in anyway saying Routh is the superior Superman, because we've seen nothing to the contrary, but he is superior physically. If I would've been in charge of Reeve's program, he wouldn't have been allowed to eat "anything he wants" like he was quoted in the making of documentary that was released around the time the first film debuted. During that doc they showed Reeve's early training BEFORE the bad diet set in and he was shredded (even though he only weighed about 200 pounds at the time. With the current training technologies and dietary practices Reeve would've given even that roid-pumper O'Hearn a solid run for his money. Reeve was barrel-chested, and that's why Alex Ross paints him that way. :supes:

[sf2]

bring your built or not discussion to the other appropriate thread. here is the "it" factor discussion.
http://images.zap2it.com/20041011/christopherreeve_superman_240.jpg

http://www.kualosw.com/eevyl/files/superman.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041011/041011_reeve_superman_vmed.vmedium.jpg
you can see "it" crystal clear.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/8651/routhsup6fw.jpg
but you can hardly see "it" here.

[Pickle-El]

Then it would be more fair to show 'it' from S:TM then S2 and 3 now wouldn't it?

[KaptainKrypton]

bring your built or not discussion to the other appropriate thread. here is the "it" factor discussion.
http://images.zap2it.com/20041011/christopherreeve_superman_240.jpg

http://www.kualosw.com/eevyl/files/superman.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041011/041011_reeve_superman_vmed.vmedium.jpg
you can see "it" crystal clear.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/8651/routhsup6fw.jpg
but you can hardly see "it" here.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So is "it". :rolleyes:

[Excel]

http://www.redboots.net/smovies/sman3.jpg

supes 1

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041011/041011_reeve_superman_vmed.vmedium.jpg

superman 3 or 4.

is it just me or is there a HUGE differnece? notice how reeve was "small" i nthe first film comparedto him in the latter movies. same will happen with routh.

obvi, he looks like superman,. but so does routh. just a different kinda superman, a younger, more youthful superman. routh could be superman for 15 years.

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Glossy_000.jpg

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Supes_001.jpg

if you dont see superman, i think you should check your eyes.
just because hes not a carbon copy of reeve-which is what you seem to want, no matter what you say(saying he doesnt look like reev did in his pics proves that theory) doesnt mean hell be bad.

[Excel]

another point-reeve was a classic superman, a clone of the comics, one in a trillion. i think routh is the best we can get for now. he has the modern age heart throb type of thign going on while possessing the look of the classic man of steel. who else would want? name a name. no. ryan mcpartlin, or ryan kwanten, ok, but they couldnt act.

[sf2]

wtf, don't put words into my mouth. who said i want a reeve replica.
i just said i failed to see "it" in him. he has not shown "it" to me. that's it.

[Excel]

im not putting **** in your mouth. im telling you your argument makes no sense. he doesnt "it"-what does **** is it and who else has it?

[sf2]

"it" basically is the 'hero/leader/in authority/power charm.

for an example, Clive Owen has 'it' and he doesn't look like reeve a bit.

[Excel]

well they wont hve a ****ing clue if he has it till we see him on the big screen then.

[Venom71]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that whoever you wanted to play Superman in SR is who you are going to think has "it" ...if you don't think Routh has it now and you don't want him in the movie you most likely won't see "it" in him even during the movie..from the pics I hace seen of him I think Routh has "it". :supes:

[muscaremy]

to me in pictures routh looks like he doesnt have "it" but i wont say for sure until i see the movie...but going into it knowing i dont see "it" is a big disadvantage for him for me
but like i sed that could change when i see it

[\S/JcDc\S/]

This pic, regardless of little nitpicking is what really soldifies a decent looking Superman for this new era

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Supes_005.jpg

Looks GREAT to me.

[muscaremy]

maybe its the fact that routh has an incredibly long abdomen for superman but his upper body just dont look right..... could be the small s too i dunno

[StarvingArtist]

"it" basically is the 'hero/leader/in authority/power charm.

for an example, Clive Owen has 'it' and he doesn't look like reeve a bit.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Cinema/2636/it-l.jpg "Sf2...want a balloon?"

[muscaremy]

^^^^^ good movie

[sf2]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that whoever you wanted to play Superman in SR is who you are going to think has "it" ...if you don't think Routh has it now and you don't want him in the movie you most likely won't see "it" in him even during the movie..from the pics I hace seen of him I think Routh has "it". :supes:
sorry, your theory doesn't apply to me. i was one of his supporters. and i don't anti - him. however, most of his superman pics that we saw dont look good to me. he doesn't show the 'superman quality' in those. that's all.

[Gamma Ray]

Jeez, these are the dumbest threads, yet they keep popping up.

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

Yes, C.Reeve......that's the 'it' you ARE referring to correct? (because according to 'real' Superman fans, no one else has/will come close)

Should that be the case, allow me to let you in on a little secret....Hindsight is always 20/20.

No the "it" factor were talking about is not just with Chris Reeve... Ohearn has it, Welling has it, Matthew Boomer has it... Routh just doesnt...

REally? Care to post some photos illustrating all these "bad" pounds that Reeve was carrying around? Because not only did he have some good size, but his chisled face and well defined neck area definitely gives the appearance of "cut", certainly moreso than Routh and his cherubic face.

I havent seen any pictures of Reeve where he has been anything but what many fans describe as Superman: Large size, muscular, not overly ripped.

http://images.zap2it.com/20041011/christopherreeve_superman_240.jpg

http://www.kualosw.com/eevyl/files/superman.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041011/041011_reeve_superman_vmed.vmedium.jpg

Who ever says that he was just carrying around "bad" pounds just simply doesn't know a single thing about anything...

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SuperFeats/LoisJimmy/makeup1.jpg

Look here. Not to blaspheme against Reeve as he is my messiah, but Physically Routh has a better body and more vascularity than Reeve did. Notice that Reeve has no pectoral separation and his deltoids have zero definition. He looked damn good in costume, but he couldn't even finish in the top five of a regional bodybuilding show in Idaho. Just guessing his body fat is at least around 15% which is hardly close to the eight or less Routh is likely carrying. This is not me in anyway saying Routh is the superior Superman, because we've seen nothing to the contrary, but he is superior physically. If I would've been in charge of Reeve's program, he wouldn't have been allowed to eat "anything he wants" like he was quoted in the making of documentary that was released around the time the first film debuted. During that doc they showed Reeve's early training BEFORE the bad diet set in and he was shredded (even though he only weighed about 200 pounds at the time. With the current training technologies and dietary practices Reeve would've given even that roid-pumper O'Hearn a solid run for his money. Reeve was barrel-chested, and that's why Alex Ross paints him that way. :supes:

There is no question that Routh is more cut then Reeve was but Reeve still was bigger overall, and his body size was just right for the role.
But the most important part which made him look like Superman was the fact that he didn't look like a teenager... Routh still looks like a kid.
This is a major issue against Routh.


sorry, your theory doesn't apply to me. i was one of his supporters. and i don't anti - him. however, most of his superman pics that we saw dont look good to me. he doesn't show the 'superman quality' in those. that's all.

:up: agreed, and if when the movie comes out, and I watch it, and I it's good I will personally come on here, and say sorry for anything negative thing I have said about Routh, and or the movie... But til then he just doesn't look the part to me, and we have a while to go until I am proven wrong.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Matthew Bomer had it? WTF are you smoking? :rolleyes:

[Mentok]

Reeve was perfect in 3 and 4, despite the fact the films were crap. You can see a huge difference in him from the first film.

[Agentdemon]

Reeve was at this peak in 3:

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/SIII/Superman_fence1.jpg

The pic below is a promo pic for STM

http://www.redboots.net/smovies/sman3.jpg

Reeve beefed up considerably during shooting which is why some scenes were re-shot and his pysique is much better as depicted below:

http://www.supermanimagery.com/images/Fortress/S1-3.jpg

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

Matthew Bomer had it? WTF are you smoking? :rolleyes:


Sadly nothing... :(

But he has a good look to his face for the role he just needs to bulk up big time... More then Routh even.
So while his face is good for the role his body isn't...

[\S/JcDc\S/]

His face was not right for Superman imo.

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

His face was not right for Superman imo.

Fair enough it's your opinion, and I can respect that... :) :up:

[Pickle-El]

This pic, regardless of little nitpicking is what really soldifies a decent looking Superman for this new era

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Supes_005.jpg

Looks GREAT to me.


Exactly...if put to the test, I can see him standing next to Bruce in the same movie without completely laughing......


It's Bryan Singer folks, the guy created realism in this genre post S:TM.....He gets my benefit of the doubt.

[Nightwing1977]

No the "it" factor were talking about is not just with Chris Reeve... Ohearn has it, Welling has it, Matthew Boomer has it... Routh just doesnt...



I wouldn't say Boomer has "it", 'cause he never played Supes. And O'Hearn sorta has the "it" with his look from Alex Ross comic Supes, but his bad acting & reclining hairline don't make him "it". I thought Supes never have reclining hairline. :p ;)

And I'm glad you will give this movie a shot despite not sure if it will turn out like you want. Just have to give it a chance. And I won't laugh in your face if you like it & change your mind. At least I'll try not to. :yellow:

[Venom71]

No the "it" factor were talking about is not just with Chris Reeve... Ohearn has it, Welling has it, Matthew Boomer has it... Routh just doesnt...



Who ever says that he was just carrying around "bad" pounds just simply doesn't know a single thing about anything...



There is no question that Routh is more cut then Reeve was but Reeve still was bigger overall, and his body size was just right for the role.
But the most important part which made him look like Superman was the fact that he didn't look like a teenager... Routh still looks like a kid.
This is a major issue against Routh.




:up: agreed, and if when the movie comes out, and I watch it, and I it's good I will personally come on here, and say sorry for anything negative thing I have said about Routh, and or the movie... But til then he just doesn't look the part to me, and we have a while to go until I am proven wrong.
Your opinion loses all credibility every time you mention him in one of your post...the guy is a JOKE! He can't act, and you are putting him in the same league as Mr. Reeve....SAD! :down

[Milkman95]

Your opinion loses all credibility every time you mention him in one of your post...the guy is a JOKE! He can't act, and you are putting him in the same league as Mr. Reeve....SAD! :down

I couldn't agree more Venom. Since FEAR says O'Hearn has "it" as well as Bomer, WHO we haven't seen one ounce of acting from, seals the deal that he's a HYPOCRITE. Bad form FEAR. You are entertaining though, I'll give you that............ :up:

[KaptainKrypton]

Your opinion loses all credibility every time you mention him in one of your post...the guy is a JOKE! He can't act, and you are putting him in the same league as Mr. Reeve....SAD! :down
Don't forget the other names mentioned along side that shaved ape O'Hearn. I'm sorry, but the whole "it" discussion is giving me the dry heaves. Besides, even with all of this debating, nothing will change the fact that until we see the movie, then we'll have to put up with many more months of people who just don't see things the way you and I might see them.

[Showtime]

When in the blue hell was O'Hearn every even considered for the role? Even Caveizel wasn't considered, he wanted the role but he became to big after Passion and Singer didn't want a big name. What are we even talking about here? O'Hearn? Heh Heh Heh Heh Heh.

[Nightwing1977]

When in the blue hell was O'Hearn every even considered for the role? Even Caveizel wasn't considered, he wanted the role but he became to big after Passion and Singer didn't want a big name. What are we even talking about here? O'Hearn? Heh Heh Heh Heh Heh.

I think O' Hearn did audit for the role from what few posters mention. But glad he wasn't hired. He look like Alex Ross's Superman come to life, but frankly his acting & too big body shape was all wrong for the part. Thought FEAR call him the "it" for some reason. :p

[King Krypton]

Don't forget the other names mentioned along side that shaved ape O'Hearn. I'm sorry, but the whole "it" discussion is giving me the dry heaves. Besides, even with all of this debating, nothing will change the fact that until we see the movie, then we'll have to put up with many more months of people who just don't see things the way you and I might see them.

Nobody looks more like a shaved ape than Evan Marriott, who was not only rumored for Superman post-Joe Millionaire, but had a ton of fans lobbying for his casting. If the fans saw him as a good and viable choice for the part alongside Welling and Kutcher, that pretty much says it all, don't it?

Compared to him, O'Hearn is fine. Just not big-budget movie material.

[Metropolis_Man]

I have faith. I'm happy to see that Superman is returning. I love Reeve as Superman, he will always stand in my mind as Superman, but I can also let go of that and give Routh a chance. Its just like the comics. Superman is never really the same, except in actions. His look is different in all of the comics now. I think it will be fine.

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

I wouldn't say Boomer has "it", 'cause he never played Supes. And O'Hearn sorta has the "it" with his look from Alex Ross comic Supes, but his bad acting & reclining hairline don't make him "it". I thought Supes never have reclining hairline. :p ;)

And I'm glad you will give this movie a shot despite not sure if it will turn out like you want. Just have to give it a chance. And I won't laugh in your face if you like it & change your mind. At least I'll try not to. :yellow:

lol thanks for not laughing in my face if I end up liking the movie.
I really doubt I will the movie has ALONG way to go to impress me even a tiny pit.
I have not liked a single cast member for their roles, and or a single peice of set photos or news yet.... I am pretty good at calling a movie a turd when I smell one, and this movie smells like something worse then new born poop!
If I like it then I will be a man, and I will admit it but until then if these photos coming out keep making Routh, and the movie look bad then I will continue like the rest of the people on here, and all over the net trashing the movie.
Sorry that's just the way it is... As it is I think im going to wait til the movie gets to the Dollar cinema which is about a mile up the road from my home town, and or goes to blockbuster or PPV...
I don't have any excitment or builed or hype to go see it when it hits theaters, and my wife doesn't like the way its coming out either.
So she's not going to go with me she would rather watch paint dry (her own words)... As for my friends nobody I know is even remotly wanting to watch this movie, and that includes some of the biggest comic book nerds you could ever know!
I have alot of friends who are into the old movies, smallville, and yea even the comics... NOBODY I know is hyped about the movie...

[SuperDaniel]

The problem is "you" whinning fanboys who don`t stop bashing this movie without even seeing a trailer or the whole movie!

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

I couldn't agree more Venom. Since FEAR says O'Hearn has "it" as well as Bomer, WHO we haven't seen one ounce of acting from, seals the deal that he's a HYPOCRITE. Bad form FEAR. You are entertaining though, I'll give you that............ :up:

How does that make me a hypocrite? Cause I see "IT" in an actor who has never been fired from a soap? UNLIKE ROUTH, and who I see in his face the superman "IT" factor??
You know what man I have never personally attacked anyone but your an idiot...period...CASE CLOSED! It's called my opinion jackass look around I have posted thats cool if someone else doesnt see the "IT" Factor in Boomer because that's my opinion.
Now go jump infront of a semi you twit... :o

[Venom71]

lol thanks for not laughing in my face if I end up liking the movie.
I really doubt I will the movie has ALONG way to go to impress me even a tiny pit.
I have not liked a single cast member for their roles, and or a single peice of set photos or news yet.... I am pretty good at calling a movie a turd when I smell one, and this movie smells like something worse then new born poop!
If I like it then I will be a man, and I will admit it but until then if these photos coming out keep making Routh, and the movie look bad then I will continue like the rest of the people on here, and all over the net trashing the movie.
Sorry that's just the way it is... As it is I think im going to wait til the movie gets to the Dollar cinema which is about a mile up the road from my home town, and or goes to blockbuster or PPV...
I don't have any excitment or builed or hype to go see it when it hits theaters, and my wife doesn't like the way its coming out either.
So she's not going to go with me she would rather watch paint dry (her own words)... As for my friends nobody I know is even remotly wanting to watch this movie, and that includes some of the biggest comic book nerds you could ever know!
I have alot of friends who are into the old movies, smallville, and yea even the comics... NOBODY I know is hyped about the movie...
Ok we know how much you hate every little thing about the movie....so no use posting here anymore..all your complainng is not going to change a thing...so you can move along now.

[Excel]

fear your in a debate and not making sense.

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

Your opinion loses all credibility every time you mention him in one of your post...the guy is a JOKE! He can't act, and you are putting him in the same league as Mr. Reeve....SAD! :down

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-7.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-3.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002ZMHX6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpghttp://www.bunkybrothers.com/graphics/superman.jpg
Look at that even the same hairline... Now stop with the nonsense.
If you don't see the "IT" factor in Ohearn to bad... your as blind as Singer.
I have not put Ohearn next to Reeve's but the guy has the "IT" factor... I see it clear as day.

HE LOOKS like alot of the comics, and like the more recent cartoon versions of SUPERMAN.
Again if you can't see it ohwell to bad but why attack my credibility? I mean you like Routh who looks like everything BUT like Superman, and I have not said a single negative thing about you... well not til now because you know you like BJ so there goes your credibility buddy... :o

[FEAR THE KNIGHT]

Oh, and yea you can add Henry Cavil to the list of actors who has the face for Superman he just needs to bulk up, and he would be also ideal for the role...

So that's Welling, O'hearn, Cavil who look the part in their own way...

[sf2]

No the "it" factor were talking about is not just with Chris Reeve... Ohearn has it, Welling has it, Matthew Boomer has it... Routh just doesnt...


don't abuse the "it" please. none of the names you stated has the 'it'.

'it' isn't about looking like the comic superman.

[Nightwing1977]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-7.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/superman-pics/MainDrive-3.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002ZMHX6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpghttp://www.bunkybrothers.com/graphics/superman.jpg
Look at that even the same hairline... Now stop with the nonsense.
If you don't see the "IT" factor in Ohearn to bad... your as blind as Singer.
I have not put Ohearn next to Reeve's but the guy has the "IT" factor... I see it clear as day.

HE LOOKS like alot of the comics, and like the more recent cartoon versions of SUPERMAN.
Again if you can't see it ohwell to bad but why attack my credibility? I mean you like Routh who looks like everything BUT like Superman, and I have not said a single negative thing about you... well not til now because you know you like BJ so there goes your credibility buddy... :o

LMAO! It obviously you found O' Hearn the only Superman based on how big he is & doing the pose from those pics you post. Sorry, but look ain't everything. We know for sure Routh can act better than O' Hearn. I prefer Supes as a well fit man than a freaking bodybuilder.

[Venom71]

LMAO! It obviously you found O' Hearn the only Superman based on how big he is & doing the pose from those pics you post. Sorry, but look ain't everything. We know for sure Routh can act better than O' Hearn. I prefer Supes as a well fit man than a freaking bodybuilder.
I agree :up: :supes: