Characters in serious need of help...

[Spectre722]

At this moment there are three X-Men that come to mind when I'm thinking about how cool they used to be and how completely lame they have become.

1. Bishop: This guy used to be a stone cold killer. He was mysterious, untrusting, and a complete badass. Nowadays he's a lameass "cop" who barely even uses his powers anymore and rolls over for Storm like dog.

2. Archangel: When he first debuted with the metal wings under Apocalypse's thrall he royally thrashed X-Factor. He had become more powerful than anybody could expect out of his character. He had become distant and cold. Then he lost the metal wings. Then he lost the blue. Then he got healing blood. Then he got with Paige. And now he doesn't do squat.

3. Iceman: This guy's an omega level mutant! OMEGA! He used to be the kickass jokester of the team. And then some idiot brought along secondary mutations. Now he's stuck in ice and he is a total dickwad characterwise.

[usagicassidy]

Agreed! Although I was never that big of a fan of Bishop's, he certainly used to be a lot cooler than he is now. And I can't believe how they've ruined my favorite character - Iceman!

Another character in serious need of help:

Storm: She used to be a character with heart and compassion, but with underlying bouts of darkness. She was a strong contender and leader for the X-Men for many years. Now all she ever does is become someone's queen. She's just become so two-dimensional (and don't anyone tell me that's because it's a comic, which is 2D, I will shoot you if you say that...) now and I want the old Storm back.

[SuperVenom]

Good points Spectre722.

I can personally vouch for Bishop. I read him in AoA and it was horrible. The only thing he ever did was get rid of some Infinites and that was all. After that, he just got his butt handed to him left and right.

[Kmack]

I agree with usagicassidy, Storm does suffer from very bad writing nowadays:down

3. Iceman: This guy's an omega level mutant! OMEGA! He used to be the kickass jokester of the team. And then some idiot brought along secondary mutations. Now he's stuck in ice and he is a total dickwad characterwise.
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[SMroxs]

I agree with you on Storm. She has become the biggest bee-och. It's one thing to get a little more aggressive, which is what I think they're trying to do with her. It's quite another to be distant and bossy. Take X-Men 175 for example. Storm tells Havok "if it is at all possible for you NOT to tell me what to do... I would greatly appreciate it." And all he had said was that they should stick together and go after the mutant crocs. Then Wolverine says she's like that with everyone, which she is over in Uncanny X-Men monthly.

Someone needs to blow a little sunshine up her ass pronto. I like Storm as a leader but as a compassionate leader. She's acting like Emma, and we already have Emma to act like Emma! :)

[Generation Lee]

Does Bishop work better in District X as a cop or is it the fact that he is in Uncanny as well therefore you don't know were he is going??? After all from what Iread on his history he seemed destined to end up a badass cop.

[squeekness]

Yeah, but he doesn't really do anything badass in District X. Plus you don't get a feel for his past. If you knew nothing about Bishop and read only DX, you'd never really know he was displaced in time. Maybe they feel they've done that death.... I just think he's been kinda flat.

[squeekness]

Oh yeah, Wildchild needs to get his friggin' hair back! He's is not a bat! 'Nuff said!:mad:

[OutcryX]

Bishop is an awesome character with loads of potential. But all people can write about him is that he is a big badass cop. WoW. Can we get PAST the fact that he is a cop? Lets explore his powers more and his interactions with characters such as Gambit, Deathbird, Shard..you know..his SISTER, etc. I like his interaction with Deathbird and the Shi'ar myself. That was unique and interesting.

Now that ArchAngel is back to being Angel..what can he do? other than throw is blood at ya wound and heal you? Oh yeah...doesnt he have feather darts now? kinda lame. They shoulda have given him his wings back but let him retain the poision metal spikes he shot off as a reminder that he can never fully recover from the influence of Apocalypse

iceman rocks hard...i dunno why people dont do anything worthwhile with him....even his current state of being permanent ice can be written so that it is interesting.

[Muze]

Shortpack needs help. at the end of the Mystique series, he was left with a broken leg outside of Niagra Falls. that's a long wal..hobble back home. well that and he's kind of out of a job if Xavier is behind the House of M.

[Spectre722]

muze i hope u were making a clever joke cuz if u even read the posts above u u'd know thats not what were talkin bout

[squeekness]

Shortpack was cute in a munchkin, Liliputian kind of way. :D

[Kmack]

Someone needs to blow a little sunshine up her ass pronto. I like Storm as a leader but as a compassionate leader. She's acting like Emma, and we already have Emma to act like Emma! :)
And one Emma is enough:o

[Muze]

muze i hope u were making a clever joke cuz if u even read the posts above u u'd know thats not what were talkin bout

hah. you called me clever. :) of course it was a joke but somewhat related to the topic. i think Shortpack needs help. so does Mystique. they should give her back her title and stop having her screw with Rogue's relationships.

Shortpack was cute in a munchkin, Liliputian kind of way. :D

really? i always thought he was kind of homely; almost rodent-like. but maybe that was just the artist interpretation. ;)

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[i_play_SEGA]

angel should be archangel

[Beastbone]

And one Emma is enough:o

Which brings up an interesting point, regarding Storm's *****iness...

We all know that Emma is the "new Wolverine" over at Marvel now. (Please see her involvment in House of M and New Avengers) Is it just me or does it seem like Marvel is Emma-fying a lot of their female characters?

I can't really go into specifics.. it's just an impression I've gotten...

Beastbone

[Darthkush]

Which brings up an interesting point, regarding Storm's *****iness...

We all know that Emma is the "new Wolverine" over at Marvel now. (Please see her involvment in House of M and New Avengers) Is it just me or does it seem like Marvel is Emma-fying a lot of their female characters?

I can't really go into specifics.. it's just an impression I've gotten...

Beastbone

You're not alone in your thoughts. I've noticed the same type of thing.

I_play_sega_:When the first turned Archangel back into Angel, I was all for it. I thought it would be something new they could do with Warren. Giving him back the humanity and normality he'd wanted back back to him should've given him tons of cool story ideas. Sadly that didn't happen. When he stopped being Archangel, the chracter last all substance. That healing factor thing and realtionship with Husk was stupid for the former and creepy for the latter. IMO, Angel is even worse off right now than Bishop. Bishop was never THAT great but Angel was and seeing him be as crappy as he is now, makes me sad.

Btw, I do like Bishop. I don't want people to think i dislike him because of my last comment but yeah, he needs work as well.

Iceman is another I think is being poorly written. i blame that squarely on the writers who've been writing him lately. I think the suckiness started back when Austin made him nothing more than a guy that Juggernaut bounced insults off of and every writer after that just made him lamer and lamer.

[FieryBalrog]

Iceman has been a complete dick for god-knows-how-long now. I just couldn't take the 5th grade-level spats he and Havok had over in X-men during Austens run; and Milligan hasn't improved him a bit.

I want the smartass Iceman back. Not the smartass dick.

[Harlekin]

Bishop is an awesome character with loads of potential. But all people can write about him is that he is a big badass cop. WoW. Can we get PAST the fact that he is a cop? Lets explore his powers more and his interactions with characters such as Gambit, Deathbird, Shard..you know..his SISTER, etc. I like his interaction with Deathbird and the Shi'ar myself. That was unique and interesting.

Now that ArchAngel is back to being Angel..what can he do? other than throw is blood at ya wound and heal you? Oh yeah...doesnt he have feather darts now? kinda lame. They shoulda have given him his wings back but let him retain the poision metal spikes he shot off as a reminder that he can never fully recover from the influence of Apocalypse

iceman rocks hard...i dunno why people dont do anything worthwhile with him....even his current state of being permanent ice can be written so that it is interesting.
Shard's been dead for a while now.

[squeekness]

I never really cared for Shard. I liked X-Factor for the whole Saby/Wildchild/Mystique intrigue. I found the Shard issues dull. I liked the idea of a sentient hologram though and use it in my fanfiction, but something about Shard, I dunno. Just rubbed me the wrong way.

[GNR]

This is why I stick to the older books and Ultimate X-Men.

[Colossal Spoons]

1. Rachel Summers - Writers toy around with her powers almost every issue. I think she and Betsy were flying in the last issue of Uncanny. I'd actually prefer if they killed her off but if you're gonna keep her around, add some depth to her character. Not just "Oh, I miss my mom, look at this cool bird tattoo on my eye".

2. Bishop - Everything that's been said before. I am enjoying DX though.

3. Cannonball - hopefully his role in the coming X-Factor will give him some exposure. All throughout X-Treme X-Men, I never felt like the explored Sam enough.

[chamber-music]

When ever Cannonball appeared outside of New Mutants or X Force he seemed to suck. He was Crap in X-Tream. He was pretty cool in the return to AOA thougth.

[Crowley9]

Rachel certainly could do with plenty of improvement. I thoroughly enjoyed the character back in the 80's X-Men and when she returned in Excalibur. Conflicted, driven, powerful, with plenty of answers to look for and strong ideals. Now that she's back from doing the Askani stuff in the future she's but a shadow of herself.

As for Emma, I liked the development that she went through in Generation X and the issues leading up to that where she found out about the Hellions (and back then she had better fashion sense than Carmen Electra at the Oscars). Then in the final half a dozen issues it seems like all that character development was undone and when she reappeared in New X-Men she was colder than ever.

[Harlekin]

1. Rachel Summers - Writers toy around with her powers almost every issue. I think she and Betsy were flying in the last issue of Uncanny. I'd actually prefer if they killed her off but if you're gonna keep her around, add some depth to her character. Not just "Oh, I miss my mom, look at this cool bird tattoo on my eye".

2. Bishop - Everything that's been said before. I am enjoying DX though.

3. Cannonball - hopefully his role in the coming X-Factor will give him some exposure. All throughout X-Treme X-Men, I never fealt like the explored Sam enough
But uhm, Rachel CAN fly, she's always been able to do that.

[Colossal Spoons]

Really, I thought she was just a telepath, not a telekene. Or can she just simply "fly" as opposed to levitate herself?

[Charlie No-One]

Northstar: He is dead. Bring him back and put him on a damn team!

[Harlekin]

Really, I thought she was just a telepath, not a telekene. Or can she just simply "fly" as opoosed to levitate herself?
She's both. Psylocke was always limited to either one, (pre-revolution -> telepathy revolution and after -> telekinesis) and I believe she has now returned to telepathy, although I'm not sure.

[AndThePickles]

I agree with what's been said about Bishop. I love District X, but Bishop could be developed elsewhere so much more. I'm really curious about his potential.

[Crowley9]

Rachel has also been shown to have pyrokinetic powers, but maybe that's just due to her connection with Phoenix.

[chris moore]

Iceman needs some SERIOUS work. He used to be my fave and had so much potential but... Oh the hell with it - the entire adjectiveless team needs help!

Bobby needs to travel back in time and be reminded of what his jokes used to be like, then come back and use that material again. They need to either do something with this so called "secondary mutation" or retcon it cos its pointless and the only noticeable effect on him (though it could just be that IMO Milligan is a poor writer for this book so his writing doesnt come off as funny or clever) is that he's being a dick all the time.

Gambit needs to lose the wussiness and be more scoundrelly cos thats what drew Rogue to him in the first place; and he and Bobby need to cement there buddy friendship and play up on the quips and bravado together.

Rogue needs to toughen up (and would someone for God's sake get the woman an inhibitor collar from Forge or Hank McCoy or the Shiar or Reed Richards or Hank Pym or Tony Stark or someone and end this ridiculous power thing!).

Havok needs to move on from Lorna and give Bobby a chance - Alex was an idiot and blew it with Lorna; dont screw over another guy just cos you were being messed with by a telepathic kid! And he needs to assert his leadership and stop relying on Wolverine and his "wise ways" to get the respect of his team.

Polaris needs to have some serious mental blocks put in place by Charles to end the pointless madness "is she crazy, is she not, is she seeing things, is she confused?"

Storm needs to be more of the free spirit she used to be and stop preaching about who they are and why they do what they do - lead your damn team woman! Dont just point them in the vague direction of the bad guys and then let Logan go off by himself to fix things however he wants!

Bishop needs to get less verbal and more energy blasting - you're not a freakin cop; you're a glorified bounty hunter with federal privelages 80 years from now. Tracking, yes, you're good at that. But investigative measures? Not so much - so stop analysing every scene for trace and crap with those damn glasses! Even Mr Fantastic has to carry around more kit than that to test something!

Emma needs to calm the *****iness and be an elitist rich person, not an elitist human hater.

Cyke needs to show us that Emma makes him go place and think things he should but never has - all he does is reprimand the junior faculty and fill out forms nowadays.

Rachel needs to grow up and talk to her dad.

Archangel needs to suffer a horrific accident that costs him a lot of blood. His body reacts to this by converting his wings back to metal (but leave the skin pink) as a defence mechanism to make him stonger and heal him, but the effort costs him his healing factor (it basically runs out or something). Cos his wings might be able to break someone's arm like a swan's wing can - but it doesnt do crap in a fight these days. I mean, at one point they gave him a sword for god's sake! How much more of a cry for offensive help do they need?! Wings that act like bullet proof shields, that can propel him at at least Mach 2 and cut through steel, and fletchettes to temporarily paralyse anyone they hit? Now those are formidable powers.

[FieryBalrog]

Rachel certainly could do with plenty of improvement. I thoroughly enjoyed the character back in the 80's X-Men and when she returned in Excalibur. Conflicted, driven, powerful, with plenty of answers to look for and strong ideals. Now that she's back from doing the Askani stuff in the future she's but a shadow of herself..

I think thats because Claremont is a shadow of himself.

She's both. Psylocke was always limited to either one, (pre-revolution -> telepathy revolution and after -> telekinesis) and I believe she has now returned to telepathy, although I'm not sure.

Psylocke's telekinetic at the moment. But apparently shes lost her Crimson Dawn powers? :confused: Who knows, Psylockes history is a ridiculous jumble anyway.

[FieryBalrog]

double post.

[Colossal Spoons]

Archangel needs to suffer a horrific accident that costs him a lot of blood. His body reacts to this by converting his wings back to metal (but leave the skin pink) as a defence mechanism to make him stonger and heal him, but the effort costs him his healing factor (it basically runs out or something). Cos his wings might be able to break someone's arm like a swan's wing can - but it doesnt do crap in a fight these days. I mean, at one point they gave him a sword for god's sake! How much more of a cry for offensive help do they need?! Wings that act like bullet proof shields, that can propel him at at least Mach 2 and cut through steel, and fletchettes to temporarily paralyse anyone they hit? Now those are formidable powers.

Is that even possible or are you just making suggestions?

[Brainiac 8]

Cyclops really needs a redo, he has become a paper pushing pansey. He has always been one of my favorite X-Men, but his thing with Emma I really wish they would do away with.


He used to be the stern serious leader that could behead a sentinal with one laser blast, or blow a hole through a mountain if he wanted. Now he does nearly nothing but swoon after Emma and play principle to the school.

I hope they bring out that he is being manipulated and fix him after they get rid of Emma!

[Colossal Spoons]

Bobby needs to travel back in time and be reminded of what his jokes used to be like, then come back and use that material again. They need to either do something with this so called "secondary mutation" or retcon it cos its pointless and the only noticeable effect on him (though it could just be that IMO Milligan is a poor writer for this book so his writing doesnt come off as funny or clever) is that he's being a dick all the time.

Funny, in the recent issue of X-Men, Bobby told a very unfunny joke and nobody laughed. In the next panel he says "Was a time when people laughed at my jokes". Hehe

[BrianWilly]

Rachel is definitely on top of the "help" list. The girl has so much history and so much character development in the past and so much potential for the future -- she comes from a hellish timeline where her kind were herded like sheep, for Buffy's sake -- and nowadays certain writers coughCCcoughwheeze write her like an immature, inexperienced teenage sidekick.

Every single character that Milligan is writing at the moment needs help. I'm sorry, but at this point I'm just going to go ahead and blaspheme by saying that I prefer Austen's direction for them than this.

[Colossal Spoons]

WOW, you definately just said that.

*backs away and waits for thunder to strike Brian*

[roach]

actually I believe all the Xmen at the moment are in need of serious help

[afmvdp]

Chris, no offense but MOST of those suggestions are complete cop outs and really would do nothing to further the development of their characters, merely to revert them back to a prior point in their existence. There are alot of good storylines that could be had with them in their current state to turn them into something MORE then they are or ever were not just pressing rewind a bit through the last writers absurd changes.

And regarding Cannonball, wasn't he supposed to be an inhuman? What ever happened to that? Cable travels back to the past, creates this entire group, gets close to the xmen all just in order to try to make sure Cannonball gets properly trained, and then that entire story arc just sort of brick walled and they stopped talking about it.

Just like Shatterstar, he went off to help Rictor with his family problems, and now Rictor is back but no one mentioned Shatterstar. So again another character that just sort of disapeared. Even with the recent return of Mojo, we don't see him. Especially after revealing that he is most likely the host of Spiral and Longshots future killed child.

These are just some of the problems they face when they create these really interesting characters within the context of a storyline and then a new writer jumps on and decides they want to go a different direction. Really shows the degredation of quality control over at the x-verse unfortunately.

[SMroxs]

Iceman has been a complete dick for god-knows-how-long now. I just couldn't take the 5th grade-level spats he and Havok had over in X-men during Austens run; and Milligan hasn't improved him a bit.

I want the smartass Iceman back. Not the smartass dick.

All of the X-Men in Milligan's book need major attitude adjustments. Lorna is alternately moody and creepy. Iceman is a dick like you said. Rogue and Gambit have been bickering since the new team began. First Gambit lost his eyesight and was whiny about that (COMPLETELY forgetting that Rogue had lost her eyesight temporarily too back during the X-Cutioner's Song story so she already knew what that was like to go through). Then there was the Golgotha story where they freaked out at eachother. Now they're arguing over the whole Mystique fiasco. Havok is the only one who hasn't changed... but that's because he has needed an attitude adjustment for the last 10 years! Nothing new about that!

[chris moore]

Chris, no offense but MOST of those suggestions are complete cop outs and really would do nothing to further the development of their characters, merely to revert them back to a prior point in their existence. There are alot of good storylines that could be had with them in their current state to turn them into something MORE then they are or ever were not just pressing rewind a bit through the last writers absurd changes.

I get what you mean - most of mine (if not all) are just preferring the characters the way they were at previous time points. Like I preferred Bishop just after AoA when he went with the short hair. I preferred Storm from around the time just prior and just after Onslaught. I liked where they were going with Cyke just after his return from being possessed - when he went to Genosha with Logan and pulled off those cool ricochet shots and had a slightly more suave aloufness about him. The Bobby thing I still think needs a major overhaul.

I know what I'd do if I were a new writer to adjectiveless (as that is the title I feel needs to the most work and has had a slew of the worst writers or character changes). I'd do a six part arc (partially cos of my cunning plan and partially cos Marvel loves stories that can fit nicely into trades) that begins with a major personal event with one of the team members that requires the aid of the whole team (possibly the kidnapping of Polaris by someone wishing to exploit her slender grip on reality). Each issue is semi narrated by one team member, but the events of their issue dont necessarily fit them entirely. The others are still shown, but its there take on what's happening and what they find they need to do to succeed that is narrated and helps their sub plots to finally get sorted. The main plot moves along, but a major flaw in their current characterisation or personal sub plots is dealt with a some detail - such as Rogue being put in a situation whereby she is cut off from the team and recieves help from a charasmatic stranger, thereby making her realise what Remy went through. Or Bobby finding himself in a position whereby he is going to have to use his secondary mutation in an Omega mutant in order to get him and Gambit through it - the two of them go over Bobby's past dealings with Rogue when she made him come on the road with her and this helps Gambit understand her a little better and the two of them become closer friends - when in battle during this time, they quip off one another, which would give us a better use of Bobby's humour than cutting jokes.
Essentially, the team is split into those smaller units that need either time together, or to air some differences, or to come to realise some things. Gambit and Iceman; Havok and Emma (where she finally realises that she just doesnt have the field tactical skill that he does and has to follow his lead as they are in dire straits against a telepathy immune horde of foes); Rogue alone; Polaris alone (and tormented, which leads her to strengthen and get past her issues and her need for someone to take care of her such as Alex or Bobby).

[Roguex18]

Shortpack needs help. at the end of the Mystique series, he was left with a broken leg outside of Niagra Falls. that's a long wal..hobble back home. well that and he's kind of out of a job if Xavier is behind the House of M.

I agree! I wonder how he got back :confused:. I miss Shortpack. :(

[Langoth]

I miss the days when Scott could at least act like he wasn't a self indulgant sociopath :P (Just kidding, or am I?)

Iceman DEFINATELY needs a lot of work, as it stands, he's an absolutely useless character. I'd rather they actually make him have more control over his powers, and make him an interesting character, but it would seem Marvel likes mega-retard bitter Bobby, so thats what we're stuck with.

Angel needs to die :P Simple as that, the only member of the original 5 I can honestly say deserves it if worse comes to worse at this point.

Emma really needs to do something entirely else. This whole lovey dovey crap with Cyclops is useless, and to top it off, the "Hellfire" thing going on, you know won't last. Marvel won't turn Emma evil, she's their next Wolverine. Meaning she'll betray the HFC, because of her LOVE for Scott!... Lame. To think she used to be my favorite character. Damn you Marvel!

The list only goes on from here. Oh my Marvel, how you need to get your act together :P

[roach]

And regarding Cannonball, wasn't he supposed to be an inhuman? What ever happened to that? Cable travels back to the past, creates this entire group, gets close to the xmen all just in order to try to make sure Cannonball gets properly trained, and then that entire story arc just sort of brick walled and they stopped talking about it.

Cannonball was revealed to be an External...a group of mutants that were immortal until you cut off their heads.....somehow the guys who own the Highlander series got a wind of this and did a cease and desist...there went the whole immortal thing

[Almighty Pejo]

I thought you had to destroy an externals heart to kill them, thus Candra having hers removed and placed in a jewel that would later be stolen by Storm. Or maybe there's more than one way to kill an immortal character.

[OutcryX]

I think running them through a woodchipper the pouring gasoline over the remains and setting them on fire would pretty much insure that they wouldn't be immortal any longer

[roach]

I think running them through a woodchipper the pouring gasoline over the remains and setting them on fire would pretty much insure that they wouldn't be immortal any longer


actually that happened in an issue of Streetcleaner-guy and the External came back

[OutcryX]

actually that happened in an issue of Streetcleaner-guy and the External came back

Ahh yes....Streetcleaner-guy....he was sooo...yeah.

[OutcryX]

Damn Externals

[Cyclops]

Colossus.

He's back, and... uh... what has he done since then? Nothing, apparently. You'd think that there'd be a point to bringing Colossus back, but noooooo.

They wouldn't let him help in Endsong because... well, I haven't come up with a good reason yet.

Since beating the **** out of Ord, what has he contributed combat-wise in Astonishing? He's a big metal catapault, for Christ's sake. Throw Wolverine. Throw Kitty. Throw robots. Throw throw throw.

For once I want to see Colossus treated as he should be - one of Marvel's premiere powerhouses. Like on a Hulk/Thing/Thor level. He deserves it.

[chris moore]

Astonishing is all well and good, and the arcs have been impressive so far - albeit slow moving. But you're right - Colossus hasnt been dealt with at all. Other than wanting to sit outside the Jet after being cramped up for so long and having a 30 second conversation with Kitty in the locker room, nothing has happened with his return.

Colossus is being used in combat the same way as Beast. Hank does very lttle in the way of acrobatics or use his class ten strength at all (you know, his main freakin mutation!) - he just dives, snarling at every enemy and scratches em with his three fingered paws. Piotr just throws people - lame...

[FieryBalrog]

I miss the days when Scott could at least act like he wasn't a self indulgant sociopath :P (Just kidding, or am I?)

Iceman DEFINATELY needs a lot of work, as it stands, he's an absolutely useless character. I'd rather they actually make him have more control over his powers, and make him an interesting character, but it would seem Marvel likes mega-retard bitter Bobby, so thats what we're stuck with.

Angel needs to die :P Simple as that, the only member of the original 5 I can honestly say deserves it if worse comes to worse at this point.

Emma really needs to do something entirely else. This whole lovey dovey crap with Cyclops is useless, and to top it off, the "Hellfire" thing going on, you know won't last. Marvel won't turn Emma evil, she's their next Wolverine. Meaning she'll betray the HFC, because of her LOVE for Scott!... Lame. To think she used to be my favorite character. Damn you Marvel!

The list only goes on from here. Oh my Marvel, how you need to get your act together :P

yes, the power of love will triumph, I can feel it.

I wouldn't say shes the new Wolverine so much as the new Cable, and I hope she ends up the same way, although I like Cable quite a bit more.

[Spectre722]

3. Cannonball - hopefully his role in the coming X-Factor will give him some exposure. All throughout X-Treme X-Men, I never felt like the explored Sam enough.

dude cannonball has no role in the upcoming x-factor mini series. he's not in it. he's never been a part of any of the x-factor teams. where'd u get that idea?

[Kevin]

it's ongoing

[roach]

dude cannonball has no role in the upcoming x-factor mini series. he's not in it. he's never been a part of any of the x-factor teams. where'd u get that idea?


Cannonball will be returning to Uncanny after House of Meh

[Arkady Rossovich]

At this moment there are three X-Men that come to mind when I'm thinking about how cool they used to be and how completely lame they have become.

1. Bishop: This guy used to be a stone cold killer. He was mysterious, untrusting, and a complete badass. Nowadays he's a lameass "cop" who barely even uses his powers anymore and rolls over for Storm like dog.

2. Archangel: When he first debuted with the metal wings under Apocalypse's thrall he royally thrashed X-Factor. He had become more powerful than anybody could expect out of his character. He had become distant and cold. Then he lost the metal wings. Then he lost the blue. Then he got healing blood. Then he got with Paige. And now he doesn't do squat.

3. Iceman: This guy's an omega level mutant! OMEGA! He used to be the kickass jokester of the team. And then some idiot brought along secondary mutations. Now he's stuck in ice and he is a total dickwad characterwise.

I agree,many of the characters have gone down bad paths due to bad writers.I would have to add...

Wolverine-Ever since his so called "origin" came out,alot of his great history has been changed to suit it.Like some of the original Weapon X,and that name "Howlett" doesnt suit him

Professor X-I dont see him in a commanding role anymore,he IS the X-Men,i dont know where he is,it is like he is no longer important.

Beast-I dont like his appearence,and the signals that he is "gay" that is extremly bad writing,when Beast has been romantically involved with a few women.

Cable-Ever since Apocalypse is no more,Cable is out of place in my opnion.Added to the fact that he is cured of the techno-organic virus,i dont like where he is going,added to the fact that he doesnt have any leads.

Cyclops-People know already

Emma-People know already

As for Bishop,i agree,he isnt the tough killer he was.I picked up Issue 272,when Bishop was first introduced,a great character.But when the entire Fitzroy incident was over,i got the impression that he should have died,other than his past,i dont see anything of Bishop now.

[Crowley9]

Beast-I dont like his appearence,and the signals that he is "gay" that is extremly bad writing,when Beast has been romantically involved with a few women.
That is actually one of my favourite bits about Beast that have happened recently. Obviously he is not gay. First he threw that around to get back at Trish for mentioning their relationship and bestiality in the same sentence. Afterwards Hank just decided to play with people's heads claiming he was gay, thinking he'd exploit the 'discriminated minority' angle as far as he could. To me that seems to fit in pretty well with Henry's sense of humour.

[FieryBalrog]

I agree,many of the characters have gone down bad paths due to bad writers.I would have to add...

Wolverine-Ever since his so called "origin" came out,alot of his great history has been changed to suit it.Like some of the original Weapon X,and that name "Howlett" doesnt suit him

Professor X-I dont see him in a commanding role anymore,he IS the X-Men,i dont know where he is,it is like he is no longer important.

Beast-I dont like his appearence,and the signals that he is "gay" that is extremly bad writing,when Beast has been romantically involved with a few women.

Cable-Ever since Apocalypse is no more,Cable is out of place in my opnion.Added to the fact that he is cured of the techno-organic virus,i dont like where he is going,added to the fact that he doesnt have any leads.

Cyclops-People know already

Emma-People know already

As for Bishop,i agree,he isnt the tough killer he was.I picked up Issue 272,when Bishop was first introduced,a great character.But when the entire Fitzroy incident was over,i got the impression that he should have died,other than his past,i dont see anything of Bishop now.

The Beast thing was actually a joke, and pretty funny, but I agree with the rest.

particularly lame is how they cured Cable of the virus, then they immediately saddled him with a new problem... how convenient, eh.

[BrianWilly]

Dood, the Henry being gay thing was discounted as a prank -- as if it could have been anything else -- about two years ago:o.

[ghost113]

the charactersthat need help are Iceman, Gambit, Rogue, and cyclops.

[Langoth]

Apparently Apocalypse may be coming back soon, so Cable won't be as lame :P

[FieryBalrog]

Apparently Apocalypse may be coming back soon, so Cable won't be as lame :P

Apocalypse is lame, so I guess the total lameness will stay the same. :o

[chris moore]

What I dont get with the whole Cable thing at the moment (and please bear in mind I dont read it - just got the gist from cable profiles) is that not only has he just been saddled with a new 'keep his teke in check' problem, but he's essentially ripping off Magneto with his hovering city of peace and perfection where people can come to live in happiness away from the crap of the world. Are there no ramifications of this in the rest of MU? Does Cyke not think he should maybe involve himself slightly at this point? And why was it Cable joined the x-men when Cyke died and wore an homage costume to respect his lost father, but we havent even seen him around in a cameo or anything since his bloody mum died! He brings Rachel back from the end of time and never sees her again? His mum dies and he isnt even shown to mourn? His dad shacks up again and Logan goes nuts, Rachel goes nuts, and Cable doesnt even know about it?

[FieryBalrog]

What I dont get with the whole Cable thing at the moment (and please bear in mind I dont read it - just got the gist from cable profiles) is that not only has he just been saddled with a new 'keep his teke in check' problem, but he's essentially ripping off Magneto with his hovering city of peace and perfection where people can come to live in happiness away from the crap of the world. Are there no ramifications of this in the rest of MU? Does Cyke not think he should maybe involve himself slightly at this point? And why was it Cable joined the x-men when Cyke died and wore an homage costume to respect his lost father, but we havent even seen him around in a cameo or anything since his bloody mum died! He brings Rachel back from the end of time and never sees her again? His mum dies and he isnt even shown to mourn? His dad shacks up again and Logan goes nuts, Rachel goes nuts, and Cable doesnt even know about it?

The reason why is actually pretty simple: Marvel has a tacit agreement among editorial not to bring Cable near the regular X-books or any of their events. Rachel, apparently, is enough; and admittedly, Cable's backstory is ridiculously complicated, and this is just part of a larger policy to surreptitiously ignore all the super-complicated stuff from the late 80s and 90s (Madelyne Pryor, Revanche, Crimson Dawn, etc.) What makes it worse is that if youre going to even introduce Cable (son of Scott and Jean's clone) you bring up issues about Maddie, Sinister, Apoc, etc. Plus, his main X-men related mission is largely finished.

As a result, you'll basically see the main X-books and the characters acting as if Cable doesn't exist. In the Endsong spread of people connected to Jean, we have Rachel but no Cable, even though Cable's interacted with her a hell of a lot more, as you pointed out after Cyke "died" when they went after Apoc together. Claremont's Christmas special: no Cable. House of M: pretty much no interaction between Cable and the rest of the X-men.

He's being "quarantined" over in Cable & Deadpool.

[ghost113]

Apocalypse is sucky

[The Black Mask]

i liked angel when he was ARCHANGEL.

[ghost113]

He was alot more cold-harded but he okay now even though he hasn't been in anything soon

[Kevin]

who needs help today?

[Snikt 6]

^Wow, looks like most of the same charactes posted above. My vote is for Colossus. Get him where he should be - one of the powerhouses of Marvel. He needs to get married to Kitty and well, start talking!

[Silvermoth]

Polaris. Come on! We need an origin story!

[javon]

^Snikt6, and Silvermoth, I agree.:yay:
actually I believe all the Xmen at the moment are in need of serious help
:woot: :up:

[Snikt 6]

How about Professor X, that guy has been thrown around something feirce. Be nice if one storyline didnt start with something he did wrong.

[Mike059jig]

Magneto...he needs to get back to the basics.......

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, but where do you start? He has been so jacked around the last few years.....they sure dont need another Joseph or Xorneto to take his place.....

[Havok83]

I cant beleive nothing more was done with Magneto after HoM. I think he probably had one of the more interesting stories to tell. He definetly warranted a mini series. The guy has been the most active figure for mutants and being a mutant defined him and drove him to do all he had done. As a result of his children's actions, he becomes a human, those who he hates, and we dont even get to see him deal with and cope with life after? Nope instead they "kill" him off yet again. Marvel definetly dropped the ball here. Id rather that not have happened and that he returned to the X-mansion. It would be interesting to see him deal with things from the other side. He and Xavier definetly should have been interacting together

[Snikt 6]

^Yep, totally dropped the ball on that one....

[Galact-Gal]

Well, Magnus & Charlie were working together in Excalibur, before it got hijacked for House of M.

And I would have liked to see Magneto in a situation where he was using the survival skills that he learned before his powers activated. I imagine he would feel a sense of responsibility for those other former mutants on Genosha.

[Snikt 6]

^You would think....but I just feel it was bad (or lazy) writing.

[mightiest_mortal]

Well, Magnus & Charlie were working together in Excalibur, before it got hijacked for House of M. I think Excalibur lost its way a long time before that.


(and Magneto making wormholes? where the smurf did that come from?)

[Galact-Gal]

They'd probably say "Wanda did it". That was when he went to "save" her after Avengers Disassembled.

[ProfeZZor X]

I'd like to see Glob Herman and Dust developed more.

Glob Herman simply has the most unique look of any Marvel Mutant, and Dust has a lot of potential, like the Sandman.

[Havok83]

Well, Magnus & Charlie were working together in Excalibur, before it got hijacked for House of M.

And I would have liked to see Magneto in a situation where he was using the survival skills that he learned before his powers activated. I imagine he would feel a sense of responsibility for those other former mutants on Genosha.
true but its not the same. I wanted to see Charles and Magneto interact as two humans. Thats a dynamic we have never seen and probably never will unless they do it soon bc you know this depowering wont be permanent

[cerealkiller182]

I'd like to see Glob Herman and Dust developed more.

Glob Herman simply has the most unique look of any Marvel Mutant, and Dust has a lot of potential, like the Sandman.I also want to see more Glob Herman. Very cool looking

[Galact-Gal]

true but its not the same. I wanted to see Charles and Magneto interact as two humans. Thats a dynamic we have never seen and probably never will unless they do it soon bc you know this depowering wont be permanent

Well I think Magneto got his powers back in an issue of Avengers (#20, I think).

Yes, it would have been interesting if the 2 had been given back to Claremont after House of M. (I am one of the people who liked that Excalibur series!) But now it would have to be a What If?

[Snikt 6]

Even though he has been around a while and got to interact a little in New X-Men, it would be nice to see Forge in a title consistantly. I think the last one he was really in was X-Factor back in the day.

[Galact-Gal]

Yeah, I wish they'd bring back Forge.

And Cecelia Reyes, because they really need an actual medical doctor, rather than Hank (Isn't he a biogeneticist?) McCoy.

[Snikt 6]

Another character in need of some desperate help is Professor X. Someone break his legs and give him his powers back!

He has been drug through the mud now for years.