Veronica Mars

[Abaddon]

Season one was great.Big ending shocker.I wonder how this season will play out.The previews keep suggesting a new mystery.




Also Charisma Carpenter will be appearing,and I even hear Joss Whedon may have a guest spot.

[JLBats]

I cannot wait. This is such a fantastic show.

I REALLY hope Joss does an episode. He really seems to love the show.

[supraman]

hell yea this is a great show. and shes freaking HOT

[Abaddon]

Whens the premiere date?I hear sometime in October.

[Holly Goodhead]

l watched most of the first season l think, l cant remember how it ended though.

[DBM]

I saw a few episodes of the first season here and there and they were pretty good. I'm definitely going to watch the second season just to see Charisma Carpenter, considering I think she's the hottest woman alive.

[CASHMERE]

I love this show.

[DBM]

Anybody see it? I ended up working really late and didn't get too. :(

[JLBats]

Anybody see it? I ended up working really late and didn't get too. :(

I couldn't. I don't get UPN. I have to wait for it to... come on... places... and then I can acquire it... legally...

[Abaddon]

Are you Canadian?:confused:

[JLBats]

Are you Canadian?:confused:

Yes.

[Darthkush]

So who was it that shot Veronica's friend Lilly last season? I watched the first like 7 episodes and got bored with the series but i'm still curious to know how that mystery ended? Could someone post it here and maybe just put it in spoiler tags? thanks.

[JLBats]

So who was it that shot Veronica's friend Lilly last season? I watched the first like 7 episodes and got bored with the series but i'm still curious to know how that mystery ended? Could someone post it here and maybe just put it in spoiler tags? thanks.

Lilly was actually killed with an ashtray. She was having an affair with Logan's movie star father and she found out he had been videotaping the little sessions. She stole the tapes and he got angry and killed her by the pool. Duncan found her and had an episode and basically got soaked in her blood. When her parents showed up, they thought it was Duncan that killed her and attempted to cover it up.

[maxwell's demon]

my girlfriend though it was the best season opener she'd ever seen.

i thought it was "good" but not great.

[Abaddon]

I missed it.Stupid college.:(

[JLBats]

Just saw the premiere, and wow, it was GREAT. Lots of in jokes, lots of humour, characters were all sharp, pretty good MOTW, and it was great to see Charisma back on tv.

[JLBats]

Favourite moment:

Dick: Ms. Dumbass.

Dumas: It's Dumas, Dick.

Dick: Well, my name's pronounced Richarde, and it stinks back here.

[CASHMERE]

Omg!!!






SPOILER:






So Lily in a way saved Veronica from dying. This show borders on mystery, comedy, drama and supernatura which is really interestingl. Naima's "The New Journalism Teacher" a.k.a Ms. Dumas acting was o.k.... I was so dissapointed when she won America's Next Top Model.

[JLBats]

Omg!!!






SPOILER:






So Lily in a way saved Veronica from dying. This show borders on mystery, comedy, drama and supernatura which is really interestingl. Naima's "The New Journalism Teacher" a.k.a Ms. Dumas acting was o.k.... I was so dissapointed when she won America's Next Top Model.

It reminds me a lot of Buffy in the way it leaps between genres without missing a beat. And I'm pretty sure that wasn't Amanda Seyfried playing Lilly tonight:D

[CASHMERE]

It reminds me a lot of Buffy in the way it leaps between genres without missing a beat. And I'm pretty sure that wasn't Amanda Seyfried playing Lilly tonight:D

It sounded like her.

[Abaddon]

whose Charisma playing?Who was at the door?Tell me.:(

[CASHMERE]

who was at the door? I missed the first 10 minutes of the show. was it Duncan?

[MiniChief]

It was Logan.

Veronica Mars was amazing. It was at the same amazing level as last season. When Gia said, "They're all dead", my heart skipped a beat.

[JLBats]

whose Charisma playing?Who was at the door?Tell me.:(

Charisma is the mother of Dick and Beaver.

Logan was at the door with the **** beaten out of him.

[Abaddon]

Charisma is the mother of Dick and Beaver.

Logan was at the door with the **** beaten out of him.


Then why was she smiling when she answered the door last season?I would think she might be upset to see him beaten up.:confused:


Whose Dick and Beaver,and why are there names so sexually suggestive? :confused:

[maxwell's demon]

Then why was she smiling when she answered the door last season?I would think she might be upset to see him beaten up.:confused:


Whose Dick and Beaver,and why are there names so sexually suggestive? :confused:

his back was turned to her and he was in shadows- so she didn't notice.

dick and beaver are logan's two rich jerk friends.

[Abaddon]

Oh,they were the ones he was hiding her from,right?

[JLBats]

Oh,they were the ones he was hiding her from,right?

Yes.

[Abaddon]

Apparently from the previews Logans sleeping with their mom.Haha tite.:confused::up:

[Abaddon]

I was not impressed with last episode.New girl annoys me.:down

[Abaddon]

Bump!

[JLBats]

I'm currently attempting to obtain the episode... by legal means of course:confused:

[maxwell's demon]

i'm SO glad i didn't hit "submit" to my almost-post ten minutes ago.- i would've ruined the episode for you.

[Abaddon]

It had an odd,yet ominous ending.

[JLBats]

Damn, I can't seem to get a hold of it:(

[JLBats]

Ew, Charisma with another teenager:(

And wow, Logan is really messed up.

[JLBats]

Bumpity bump bump

[Abaddon]

SO what do you think of the new girl?I hate her.

[JLBats]

SO what do you think of the new girl?I hate her.

Which one?

[Abaddon]

Wallace's love interest

[JLBats]

Yes, I am deeply annoyed by her.

I hope they speed up the year long mystery. Too much angst right now.

[Abaddon]

I guess.

[amazingfantasy15]

ok, decided to check this show out this week and wanted to know something. What is this show about? Is Veronica a high school detective?

[Abaddon]

She's in high school,but works part-time with her Dad as a detective.Often times people in school ask for help solving cases though.She's sorta like Nancy Drew.

[JLBats]

It's a hard show to describe. It's like one part Twin Peaks, one part Buffy...

The latest episode was the best of the season.

[PyroChamber]

I saw yesterday's episode, and I kinda got a Buffy/Cordelia vibe in the gym scene.

[Fray Ok]

Last night was a pretty good episode.I liked the FBLA reference.Charisma's ass certaintly is fabulous.:p

[Abaddon]

I get the new girl now.We're supposed to hate her.I'm relieved.

[GL1]

I just saw the first few episodes of this series... they ROCK absolutely and abundantly... I love this show... I must have more...

[Abaddon]

go buy the commentary-less DVDs.:o

[JLBats]

The lack of fandom for this fantastic show reminds me of Arrested Development, except AD is at least appreciated by Internet geeks. This show is so far off the radar... that it isn't... even on the radar...

[maxwell's demon]

really? i thought i heard that the season premiere got really high ratings?


...or maybe that was just by comparison with it's past ratings?

[JLBats]

really? i thought i heard that the season premiere got really high ratings?


...or maybe that was just by comparison with it's past ratings?

In comparison. Although it has gone up since it aired on CBS.

[GL1]

go buy the commentary-less DVDs.:o

Disappointed much?

[DBM]

I saw a whole episode for the first time this season last night. I don't really know what's going on in the overall story but this single episode was good.

[maxwell's demon]

question- does anyone else get a weird "late late 80's/early 90's- syndicated" TV show vibe from VM? Like, the kind of show that would've originally aired at 4pm on saturday afternoons or something?

I don't know why- but that's how i felt about the show from day one- and it's kind of what keeps the show interesting for me. it's a weird tone to be going for.

[JLBats]

question- does anyone else get a weird "late late 80's/early 90's- syndicated" TV show vibe from VM? Like, the kind of show that would've originally aired at 4pm on saturday afternoons or something?

I don't know why- but that's how i felt about the show from day one- and it's kind of what keeps the show interesting for me. it's a weird tone to be going for.

Sort of, actually, but I don't think the story is what gives it that feel... not sure though.

[riotgirl77]

Disappointed much?

It did good this past week because Lost was a repeat...

[Wimpie]

I love this show.... just wish other people would realize how great it is and that the ratings would pick up!

[Coldqueen]

I loves me some Veronica...and wish others did too.

[Coldqueen]

Is anyone else pissed about Weevil only being in twelve epis? I mean, come on! He's one of the best!


Also...I am so tired of Duncan! Enough with the VD already! I want me some LoVe and I want it now.

[Abaddon]

Yeah,Duncan is pretty dull now that we know he isnt Veronica's half-brother,and that he didnt murder Lilly.I still dont care for Logan though.BTW,I missed last weeks ep.What happened with Beaver's dad?

[Coldqueen]

Who watched last night's epi? Was it not great?! We had V teaming up with Kane Software's head security man, Weedman, which was totally unexpected...

Got some arson...some creepy roommate swapping...

And some Dick...Casablancas that is. Is it wrong that I'm missing Wallace, but seriously want Duncan to go away...?

Back to the point, V's dad ain't Sheriff, which upsets me...but I'm over it...I've heard that V's cop ex-beau is making an appearance in an upcoming epi where V's dad is investigating the Sheriff's office on something to do with Logan Anyone else missing the LoVe of the show? I don't know...those two just fit better than VD.

[DBM]

Good episode last night. And how about that Joss Whedon cameo?

[Coldqueen]

I was dissappointed...I expected it to be more...they said he was going into a rant for like five minutes, but we didn't even get to hear it...and then they gave the America's Next Top Model chick more screen time than him...I felt ripped off.

[Abaddon]

bump

[The Watchman]

I would have sex with this show, best show I'm currently watching.

[3dman27]

wasn't veronicas father wrongly fired from his sherrifs job ? i think thats why he opened a detective agency to make a living after being fired if he was shouldn't the courts have ordered him reinstated

[Abaddon]

Because they already had a sheriff take his place.

[3dman27]

Because they already had a sheriff take his place.
and the city of neptune didn't want to risk a SECOND wrongfull dismissal suit got cha

[Abaddon]

I've been out of the loop.What happened with Charisma's character?

[Abaddon]

Bump.

[GL1]

I've been out of the loop.What happened with Charisma's character?

[spoier]Well, for the recrod, she is Dick and Beaver's STEP-mom... and ever since their father's fraudulent multi billion dollar real estate practice were exposed... she's been kinda at their mercy. She also got needy with Logan and he seems to be in the process of dropping her. Dick just wants to sleep with her, but Beaver is using her as a puppet owner to run his potentially very successful real estate business. She, desperate, apparently took Beaver's offer and I'm sure we'll hear from her again.[/spoiler]

I think that spoiler answers the question about what happened to Mr. Casablancas (Dick and Beaver's father)

I love this show. I love how despicably hatable Jackie is (The new girl, Wallace's love interest) and I think having a hatable character who isn't quite the show-stealing bad girl teen shows love to flaunt is/was a stroke of genious and hope Jackie gets even more hatable in the months to come. Of course, it'll be great to see how Wallace drops her.

I also don't like Duncan... I don't like the way they've turned Veronica into a '09er again and I don't like the lack of a major overarching storyline... but the show is so dang good that I forget that stuff everytime I turn it on and I actually expect them to bring everything back full circle.

[3dman27]

The lack of fandom for this fantastic show reminds me of Arrested Development, except AD is at least appreciated by Internet geeks. This show is so far off the radar... that it isn't... even on the radar...
maybe the ones who pass on the show think its a modern day rip on nancy drew

[JLBats]

maybe the ones who pass on the show think its a moder day rip on nancy drew

Yeah, I know, but it's actually closer to Bogart or Buffy than Nancy Drew.

[SWAT]

Season 1 just ended here, good stuff :p

[Abaddon]

Brilliance:up:

[The Watchman]

Best show on TV, it had better make the jump to The CW.

[Abaddon]

So Logans run off with the baby,and Veronica all by her lonesome

[GL1]

Yo... confused about episode 11...

Can ANYONE explain to me why the FBI didn't arrest Veronica? They had proof of her having a faked conersation... At what point did they say "Hey, you're cool, we're not going to follow this lead to it's most likely conclusion..."

And who was the chick he rode off with?

I just don't get it...

Anywho, Lucy lawless was great :)

[JLBats]

The woman he rode off with was the housekeeper or whatever... the same "Cute blonde" the people saw in the bar.

[Abaddon]

I was pretty lost having missed Megs pregancy,awakening,and death.Along with Wallace's return and Kendall moving in with Logan

Somebody fill me in on the details.

[JLBats]

Veronica discovered that Meg was pregnant. Meg woke up and asked that Veronica and Duncan ensure her kid not be taken in by her parents, who were going to send it to a Religious cult type thing that abuses kids. Meg died, and we still don't REALLY know whether or not it was an accident. Wallace, after finding out who his real dad is, decided to run away for a while to get things off his chest.

And Kendall is just a whore who will sleep anywhere she can find a bed.

[The Watchman]

Yo... confused about episode 11...

Can ANYONE explain to me why the FBI didn't arrest Veronica? They had proof of her having a faked conersation... At what point did they say "Hey, you're cool, we're not going to follow this lead to it's most likely conclusion..."

And who was the chick he rode off with?

I just don't get it...

Anywho, Lucy lawless was great :)
she may have had a conversation with a tape, but there's nothing to prove to the FBI that she knew it was a tape, it could have been Duncan trying to throw the FBI off his trail, culpable deniability.

[Abaddon]

I thought it was confirmed that Echoll's sent someone to tamper with the bus in an attempt to kill Veronica.:confused:

[Abaddon]

The plot is thickening.

[GoldGoblin]

How many seasons have this show had so far?

[Abaddon]

Its currently in its second.

[Abaddon]

When the hell did Shawn Ashmore first appear,season 1?

[The Watchman]

Aaron Ashmore, Veronica dated him, he turned out to be a drug dealer.

[Abaddon]

When was this?


He looks like Shawn,brothers?

[The Watchman]

twin brothers...Happened eary in Season 1

[Sawyer]

Hmm...just saw my first Veronica Mars episode: The Rapes of Graff. And I gotta say... GREAT episode to start off with. Once I have enough money, I'm gettin the first season. Tonight looks interesting too!

[Abaddon]

Well so long Thumper.

[The Ghoul]

missed season 1 but staarted watching it like 2 weeks ago & I really like a lot. I started watching it because I became a fan of Kristen Bell after I saw Reefer Madness- the musical.

[The Watchman]

Dude, go out and buy the season 1 DVD, it's amazing.

[Abaddon]

Last episode was strange.

[Abaddon]

Bump damnit!:mad:

[JLBats]

I'm willing to bet that the culprit at the end of the season is Beaver. He's been too subtly woven into this season not to be a major player.

[JLBats]

I thought it was confirmed that Echoll's sent someone to tamper with the bus in an attempt to kill Veronica.:confused:

No, that was Veronica's assumption, it was never really confirmed.

[Abaddon]

Well the recent suggestion is that its Beavers dad.

[JackBauer]

they're obviously pushing Woody Goodman as the mastermind, but he has to be a red herring. just too obvious.

[JackBauer]

Well the recent suggestion is that its Beavers dad.

hmm, I'd like that.

[Abaddon]

Goodman is the mayor right?

[JackBauer]

yup

[JLBats]

This one is huge.

Apparently the sides for the last episode of this season indicate a few things... one, Beaver was on the Little League team Woody coached, as were two of the people from the bus. Two, Beaver apparently commits suicide in the last episode. And I don't know why.

[Abaddon]

why did you spoil that,you bastard?

[JLBats]

why did you spoil that,you bastard?

I warned that it was huge.

My assumption right now is that Beaver, and the other two, were molested by Woody, and that is why Beaver had trouble performing with Mac.

[Abaddon]

:confused:

[JLBats]

:confused:

Recently Mac and Beaver started dating and Beaver refused to go past first base. I'm assuming because of a serious emotional problem from abuse by Woody.

[Abaddon]

I know,but it seems like such a strange connection.And why would it make Beaver try to kill the other students?



And whats with the man whose hand had Veronica's name on it?

[JLBats]

I know,but it seems like such a strange connection.And why would it make Beaver try to kill the other students?


I'm not saying Beaver did it with that piece of info, it's just a guess.


And whats with the man whose hand had Veronica's name on it?

We still don't know.

[TwilightPro101]

Beaver's a possibility. Seems left field but with this show anything is possible.

[Abaddon]

From imdb:

The lead character was originally going to be in a novel written by show creator, Rob Thomas.


The theme song is "We Used to be Friends" by the Dandy Warhols.


The episode "Russkie Business" (episode 1.15) features a guest turn by Alyson Hannigan. Denise Richards was considered for the role. Tara Reid was also considered.


In original project notes and the original pilot script for the show, there were some name changes. Lilly's name was Samantha, Lianne Mars's was Rebecca, then Abbie, Wallace's last name was Collier, Logan's last name was Hewitt, and the last name of the Kane's was Cain, then Caine.


In the original pilot, Lilly's body was dumped into a river and found later. The network found this a little too disturbing, especially because it involved Jake Kane disposing of his own daughter's body, and had her body be left on the Kane property.


The pilot script describes Veronica the following way: "She is not cute. She is sexy. Tough. Prematurely jaded. Angelina Jolie at 17."


The character of Meg was created specifically for Alona Tal. She auditioned for Veronica, and was Rob Thomas's second choice for the role. He liked her so much he made a recurring role for her.


Amanda Seyfried initially auditioned for the role of Veronica Mars.


The only two actresses considered for the role of Kendall Casablancas were Heather Graham and Charisma Carpenter. Graham was working on "Emily's Reasons Why Not", and Carpenter was an actual fan of "Veronica Mars", so she ended up being cast in the role.


The car that Veronica drives is a convertible Chrysler LeBaron


Concepts included in the original project notes for the show that were later dropped include Veronica being 13 when Lilly was murdered, Keith being fired because of evidence disappearing from the police station, with hints that Don Lamb was behind it, Strom Jenkins, a character who called in the Abel Koontz tip, and Veronica finding that Strom Jenkins, Don Lamb, and Jake Kane were part of a larger conspiracy to cover up Lilly's death.


UPN, the network that airs Veronica Mars, were concerned during early episodes that viewers would confuse Teddy Dunn and Jason Dohring, who play Duncan and Logan, respectively. A color code was created where Dunn wore blues, and Dohring wore earth tones (greens, browns, etc). The color code still stands today.


Jason Dohring initially auditioned for the role of Duncan.

[Holly Goodhead]

Interesting..

[JLBats]

From Aussiello's "do not reveal" column:

Mac tells Veronica that ****** *** **** * ****.

The stars are what he couldn't reveal.

A few people have pointed out that the following fit:

Mac tells Veronica that Beaver was born a girl.
Mac tells Veronica that Beaver has made a bomb.
Mac tells Veronica that Beaver did rape a girl.

[Abaddon]

eh?I think Woody did it for reasons we'll never see coming.

[JLBats]

I think that Beaver did it. He was, according to one of the sides from the finale, on Woody's little league. He was probably the victim of Woody's pedophilia too. So he tried to kill Woody with the bomb. But somehow it ended up on the bus.

The only other motive I can think of for him is that the "outing of all outings" being planned by the one kid on the bus was actually Beaver, and Beaver wanted him dead.

I don't think it's Woody. That's too obvious.

[Abaddon]

Echolls got off!:mad::mad:

[Abaddon]

I think that Beaver did it. He was, according to one of the sides from the finale, on Woody's little league. He was probably the victim of Woody's pedophilia too. So he tried to kill Woody with the bomb. But somehow it ended up on the bus.


But there were two bombs.

[JLBats]

I don't know, then. But from the sides, there doesn't seem to be enough time for it to be anyone but Beaver.

[Abaddon]

I guess.


Unless its Daddy Casablancas

[JLBats]

Seems more likely to be Kendall, but I can't really think of a motive.

I think maybe Woody is a part of some big child sex ring in Neptune. It would tie into Meg's abusive parents from earlier in the season, and it would also possibly tie into Veronica's chlamidya. Veronica got it from Duncan, who got it from Meg, who got it from someone in the child sex ring. And maybe Marcos and Peter and Meg were all going to rat on it. It would also tie into Woody paying off the other bus crash victim's family for some still unknown reason. I don't know, the child sex ring is the most bizarre, but it also seems like the only thing that ties into all the victims.

[Abaddon]

Hmm,I missed the whole chlamydia(how do you spell that crap anyway) thing. I guess it sorta makes sense,except Meg's parents didnt seem sexually abusive.

[JLBats]

Meg's parents weren't sexually abusive, at least not blatantly. They were more religious nuts. So I guess it doesn't really make sense. But it would tie in the chlamydia thing. It still doesn't necessarily resolve who the killer is though.

[Abaddon]

Yeah,and its only the second season so we only have one precedent to go by.

[The Question]

Okay, here's my deal. I've heard very good things about this series. Hell, some of my favorite writers have said it kicks ass. So, I want to get into it. But I must ask, is the show highly serialized? Because, I don't want to jump on in the middle of a story arc. I can usually deal with that well, but I'd still like to know.

[JLBats]

If it's Beaver, I'd find it awesome, then terrible. The thought of some little teenager killing a busful of people with a bomb is just sort of sickening. The thought that he did it because of molestation is even more sickening.

If I had to make a bet, I'd say Beaver got Lucky to make him the bomb that killed the busful of people. The bomb found on Woody's car was also made by Lucky, of course, who was only doing it because he was bat**** insane and was fired by Woody. Maybe Beaver asked Curly Moran how he'd done that stunt on the Long Haul, so he'd know how to kill the people on the bus. Then, when Curly realised it was Beaver who did it, Beaver ran him off the cliff. Curly wrote Veronica's name on his hand because he had been going to find her to help him take Beaver down.

I'm not sure any of this makes sense, but oh well, fun to speculate.

[Abaddon]

NO.Watch the whole first season,then wait till the current one if out on DVD.You don't want to miss anything.

[JLBats]

Okay, here's my deal. I've heard very good things about this series. Hell, some of my favorite writers have said it kicks ass. So, I want to get into it. But I must ask, is the show highly serialized? Because, I don't want to jump on in the middle of a story arc. I can usually deal with that well, but I'd still like to know.

Tuesday is the finale, so don't jump in just yet. The show is very serialised, but each season is basically one story.

[JLBats]

Some really insane people are suggesting that the killer is Logan.

[Abaddon]

I'd consider it being Nathan.

[The Watchman]

Okay, here's my deal. I've heard very good things about this series. Hell, some of my favorite writers have said it kicks ass. So, I want to get into it. But I must ask, is the show highly serialized? Because, I don't want to jump on in the middle of a story arc. I can usually deal with that well, but I'd still like to know.
The beauty of the show is in the continuity and unfolding of the grand mystery, it was obviously very well planned out, but the serialization isn't the only great aspect, it simply features wonderful writing, some of my favorite eps have little to do with the larger mystery, I would highly suggest you get the first season on DVD and continue from there.

[The Question]

Okay. I'm pretty good with jumping on in the middle of story arcs, so I should be fine. I mean, I didn't start watching Buffy until part way through season five. But thanks.

[JLBats]

What the **** just happened?

I WAS RIGHT?

No ****ing way.

[Abaddon]

well that felt a bit forced. I think we should try and talk about this discretely though,since the Question is so curious.:o

[JLBats]

...My mind is blown.

[Abaddon]

I'm disappointed.

[JLBats]

I am too, a little bit. I think the show went through a bit of a sophomore slump because it needed to expand the mythology of the show for continued storylines.

*shrug*

[Abaddon]

Alot of things just didn't seem to ring true compared to earlier in the season.I don't know. Send me a pm.:o

[JLBats]

Why would I need to send you a PM, we're in the appropriate thread:confused:

Unless this is about Question. That rat ruins all the fun:(

[Abaddon]

I don't want to spoil him. Someone else can,though.:o

[JLBats]

Having thought about it for a bit, I am coming around to it.

[Abaddon]

Meh,I need to rewwatch the season as a whole. I missed alot of episodes. It still doesn't ring true.

[The Watchman]

Rings perfectly true to me, having seen all the eps I think it fit together perfectly. :up:

[Holly Goodhead]

Who made the bus go over the cliff?

[Abaddon]

Also the rape thing just seemed odd.

[Abaddon]

I already told you Holly

[Holly Goodhead]

You said something about a beaver.

[The Ghoul]

beaver is cassidy's nick name. I'm going on record to say that was the best season fanale ever on tv. & this show has the best writng in a show.

[NHawk19]

Ending line with Duncan "CW?" . . . ."It's a done deal"

Think it means they'll be surviving into season 3?

[The Watchman]

Clever play there, Clarence Weidman...CW...oh brilliant.

[Abaddon]

Heh,didn't notice that. I do love this show.

[Abaddon]

A little old but...


TVGuide.com: On the topic of whether Duncan actually ever succumbed to Kendall's charms, Mars creator Rob Thomas said here at TVGuide.com, "Duncan's not built that way." Is that ego-deflating for you to hear or — and this is my theory — is Duncan simply built the wrong way?
Carpenter: The latter! [Laughs] I guess Kendall is just not very discerning about to whom she gives her body. But, given some new insights I've been given from Rob, apparently everything has a purpose and a meaning. My character's IQ is about to jump up about 50 points, did he tell you that? Things are about to become very clear.

TVGuide.com: What, has Kendall been putting on some sort of act?
Carpenter: [Coyly] I guess.... Rob likened her to Annette Bening in The Grifters, which as you know is an amazing role. I was like, "Really? That's goooood!" I just love those people [at Veronica Mars]. They're awesome.

[Abaddon]

I wasn't sure whether I should bump this or just let a new one start now that the new networks launched. Then I decided I didn't care, but I was going to bump this anyway so that people could waste precious time reading this.

[The Watchman]

I'm really hoping that Gilmore Girls helps pull in an audience for V Mars, but then later on doesn't cater to them, because that would be horrible.

[Abaddon]

I'd think the GG audience wouldn't be able to hold much interest given the yip-yap, fast-talking their accustomed to.

[JLBats]

Just saw the premiere online.

I've gotta say... Pretty good. You could tell in the first few acts that Rob was REALLY writing down to the Gilmore Girls crowd, trying to hold onto his lead in, but towards the end, they got right back to the cool, Veronica Mars-y twists, such as Kendall's death and Parker's rape.

[kaylee]

Just saw the premiere online.

I've gotta say... Pretty good. You could tell in the first few acts that Rob was REALLY writing down to the Gilmore Girls crowd, trying to hold onto his lead in, but towards the end, they got right back to the cool, Veronica Mars-y twists, such as Kendall's death and Parker's rape.
Watched it streaming tonight myself. More spoilers: Not the most amazing episode ever, but it was really but as a season opener to set stuff up, it worked really well. SO glad to see all these characters again! And the dialogue was so snappy! Veronica really felt perfectly Veronica-y again, if that makes sense. And BSG references! Yay! And I am so, so glad that Tina Marjorino is a regular this year. Mac is awesome.

Loved the new credits. Seemed more grownup, but kept the song, which was really all I wanted anyway. :)

Logan and Veronica - still together, who expected it? I figured they'd break up again over the summer. Was it just me or did he seem more into her than she was into him?

Like the way the Rapist mystery ties back in to the episode from last season.

And BSG references! Yay!

[JLBats]

If she ends up with Piz I will be very sad:(

The new credits are sweet, but I'm not sure the remixed song matches with it. Mac seems really downtrodden this year. Her hair doesn't even have the coloured streaks in it.

Dick is just so completely ****ed up this year. Logan taking him in was a great gesture. Logan seems to be in a much better place than last year, when he was practically suicidal.

I also really loved the very small Lilly reference. Good to see the show hasn't forgotten her.

[kaylee]

I also really loved the very small Lilly reference. Good to see the show hasn't forgotten her.

Oh, what was it? I missed that! Man, I loved Lily. I always thought it was so amazing the show made you care about her so much, and you never even saw her "alive".

[JLBats]

Oh, what was it? I missed that! Man, I loved Lily. I always thought it was so amazing the show made you care about her so much, and you never even saw her "alive".

It was just Piz's comment about "your friend who got murdered" when they were staking out the house at the end.

Tiny mention. Got a huge reaction out of me, since I had been noticing all through the show how far we've gotten from season 1, and the Lilly mystery.

[Abaddon]

I hate one of you a little bit.

It's JL.

[Sawyer]

Did Dick get smarter? I mean on season 1 and 2 he did a bunch of mean sh** but he was stupid while doing it. But in the premire, after he was talking to Mac and the lady caught him in the dorm, he started saying stuff and he was being a smartass, instead of a dumbass. I dont know, it was probably just me....

[kaylee]

JL, yeah, I totally missed that. Though it makes me feel tons of love for the show when they make the effort to remember Lily, even a little bit. :)

Did Dick get smarter? I mean on season 1 and 2 he did a bunch of mean sh** but he was stupid while doing it. But in the premire, after he was talking to Mac and the lady caught him in the dorm, he started saying stuff and he was being a smartass, instead of a dumbass. I dont know, it was probably just me....

I think he was a little bit of both? I know I'm about to be really lame but his t-shirt choices always seemed to say "smartass" more than "dumbass"?

[MrScissorhands]

Can't wait to see the first episode of the third season.

I'm especially curious as to what the season-long mystery is going to be. I liked the bus-crash plotline from season two, but didn't think it lived up to the Lilly Kane murder mystery. I hope season three's is back up to season 1 standards.
I'm also curious to find out how the show is gonna work now that Veronica et al. are no longer at Neptune High.

[maxwell's demon]

you impatient ninnies:cmad:

[MrScissorhands]

Anyone else hoping George Michael Bluth and Maeby Fünke (from Arrested Development) will still be attending Hearst College ? :)

I thought that Rapes of Graff episode was so weird, seeing as Alia Shawkat and Michael Cera (currently respectively 17 and 18 years old) had to pass for older than Kristen Bell (currently 26). :huh:

[amazingfantasy15]

I liked the season premiere. As a new watcher of the show, seemed like there were a couple storylines were leftover from last season, hopefully I'll understand them a little better as the season progresses. The rapist storyline seems interesting though, the show definitely requires a lot of attention though.

[Abaddon]

The new opening credits suck.:cmad:

I don't like that they all go to the same school.:cmad:

I wanted to see more than five seconds of Charisma Carpenter.:cmad:

I wasn't impressed by anything.:cmad:

I want a philly cheese steak.:cmad:

[MrScissorhands]

The new opening credits do suck. :(
It's not so much the visuals, but that toned down, completely ball-less version of 'We Used To Be Friends' that sucks major cock.

I really liked the season premiere though. Damn funny stuff. :up:
I didn't completely (as in : at all) get the whole Keith and ex-con road-trip plot though... :huh:

[The Apatow Crew]

I liked everything about the season premeire except the new craptular credits. I mean who thought they should have changed the opening credits?

[maxwell's demon]

The new opening credits suck.:cmad:

I don't like that they all go to the same school.:cmad:

I wanted to see more than five seconds of Charisma Carpenter.:cmad:

I wasn't impressed by anything.:cmad:

I want a philly cheese steak.:cmad:

i am glad that you liked it.

[JLBats]

I liked everything about the season premeire except the new craptular credits. I mean who thought they should have changed the opening credits?

I like the visuals, but I don't like the Dandy Warhols remix. I'd actually like to see the new visuals mixed with the old music, I'd like to see how it'd look.

[The Apatow Crew]

I like the visuals, but I don't like the Dandy Warhols remix. I'd actually like to see the new visuals mixed with the old music, I'd like to see how it'd look.I though the song was too song thats why i didn't like it. If it where the fast version with thr new stuff i would give it a chance.

[amazingfantasy15]

Weird seeing the person behind the voice of Homer J. Simpson. Also how much pot does one person need? Did the den mother need an entire room of pot for her cancer recovery?

[amazingfantasy15]

Damn good episode tonight, amazing how much this show is able to pack into about 45 minutes. There were what 4-5 plots going on and none of them felt rushed/shortchanged. Plus they were able to sneak in a Big Lebowski reference!

[Abaddon]

Francis Capra has really let himself go.

[The Watchman]

Hamster got fat.

[Sawyer]

Francis Capra has really let himself go.

Seriously. What like five months, and he looks completely different.

[The Watchman]

He likes 99 cent nuggets.

[maxwell's demon]

holy crap did he ever.

[GL1]

Weird seeing the person behind the voice of Homer J. Simpson. Also how much pot does one person need? Did the den mother need an entire room of pot for her cancer recovery?

Man, knowing who all these actors are and their ages is really bringing down the show for some people, that's hilarious. I just watch the show.

Regardless, I think you're on to something honestly, I just let that slide, but there was a LOT of plant there. I'm not sure what that has to do with the rapes, but it's an interesting lead.

Very rarely does Veronica ACTUALLY screw up... something good often comes out of it.

[maxwell's demon]

Weird seeing the person behind the voice of Homer J. Simpson. Also how much pot does one person need? Did the den mother need an entire room of pot for her cancer recovery?


you seriously believe the pot was just for her cancer?

[amazingfantasy15]

you seriously believe the pot was just for her cancer?

No, that's why I said it was a little odd. I'm actually surprised Veronica believed them. Hopefully that story gets revisited.

[GL1]

Hey, I actually believed, but, I suck at detective stuff, so that's okay :)

I just saw the last ep, and I have to say, I love this show again... it's great... if they get the rape storyline to line up with the pot then I'll be really impressed...

[Abaddon]

The rape storyline isn't holding my interest. I'm hoping they pull something big during sweeps.:o

[The Watchman]

if they get the rape storyline to line up with the pot then I'll be really impressed...

That's simple, who wouldn't rape someone for pot?

Jesus, that's who.

:huh:

[Abaddon]

Judging from the previous seasons the villain/s this year was already introduced to us and is likely a recurring character.:huh:

But goddamn, Weevil's fat.

[The Watchman]

Maybe Hamster's fat raped a pot leaf?

[amazingfantasy15]

The rape storyline isn't holding my interest. I'm hoping they pull something big during sweeps.:o

Well, we've only had three episodes so far and the rape storyline in two of them has been pretty far in the background. Plus, the first good lead Veronica got blew up in her face.

[Abaddon]

She and Logan will be on the outs by the time the years over. Believe you me.:o

[JLBats]

She and Logan will be on the outs by the time the years over. Believe you me.:o

I expect them to be on the outs by the end of the rape mystery, to be honest.

I actually don't mind. I'm really liking this new, more subdued Logan, but it's going to get old. Fast.

And yeah, Francis Capra seriously let himself go. Apparently he's been having a lot of health problems. On the other hand, it kind of works. He's been in prison for a while.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Francis Capra has really let himself go.i swear i did not ever notice him until after he first threatend his boss. i was like "omg, he HAS to be wearing a fatsuit!" i was really looking foward to seeing him, and next thing you know... still, he's pretty cute, and likeable...

[Abaddon]

I expect them to be on the outs by the end of the rape mystery, to be honest.

I actually don't mind. I'm really liking this new, more subdued Logan, but it's going to get old. Fast.

And yeah, Francis Capra seriously let himself go. Apparently he's been having a lot of health problems. On the other hand, it kind of works. He's been in prison for a while.

Wasn't it just like 3 months though.:huh:

I'm still waiting for the moment Keith finds out Veronica was raped. And where the hell is Lamb?

No mention of Jackie either. What's the deal?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

New episode tonight. yay!

[amazingfantasy15]

Another nice Big Lebowski message tonight "There's a beverage here, man". Also a nice Just Shoot Me reunion.

[Abaddon]

Dear me, Maya Gallo has aged.

[maxwell's demon]

um. yes.

[Abaddon]

I bet she smokes.

[amazingfantasy15]

Just finished watching the first two seasons on DVD, after seeing the first few episodes of the third season. I'm really pissed I've been missing this show for so long. Amazing show, so much better than I ever expected.

[The Apatow Crew]

Just finished watching the first two seasons on DVD, after seeing the first few episodes of the third season. I'm really pissed I've been missing this show for so long. Amazing show, so much better than I ever expected.Yeah thats what i thought during its first season. I thought it was a dumb girlie show but one of the previews interested me and i liked it and i've been watching ever since.

[Abaddon]

I'd forgotten Logan was abused.

[JLBats]

Wasn't it just like 3 months though.:huh:

I'm still waiting for the moment Keith finds out Veronica was raped. And where the hell is Lamb?


Well, they only get to use every actor for so many episodes, which is why we're getting a serious lack of Mac, Wallace and Lamb. Apparently they're majorly involved in one of the mysteries laterthis season, so they're appearances are being saved until then.


No mention of Jackie either. What's the deal?

I... don't think Jackie's coming back. Her storyline was pretty much over at the end of last season anyway, and she wasn't exactly a fan favourite.

[Abaddon]

Well, they only get to use every actor for so many episodes,

Why?:huh:



I... don't think Jackie's coming back. Her storyline was pretty much over at the end of last season anyway, and she wasn't exactly a fan favourite.


I didn't think she'd come back, I just thought maybe there'd be some mention of her since the later episodes of the previous season were Wallace/Jackie heavy fluff. He went to NY to visit her because he wanted to be with her or some crap and then we're just supposed to forget?:huh:

[amazingfantasy15]

I didn't think she'd come back, I just thought maybe there'd be some mention of her since the later episodes of the previous season were Wallace/Jackie heavy fluff. He went to NY to visit her because he wanted to be with her or some crap and then we're just supposed to forget?:huh:

Actually Wallace was on his way to Paris to look for her, he didn't know she actually moved back to NY. Veronica tracked her down in NY, called her and told her to meet Wallace at the airport before he got his connecting flight to Paris. Basically the entire life she told him she lived was a lie, she also had a kid. He knows there's no future there and probably did all the talking about it he's going to over the summer.

[Darren Daring]

I'd like to give some love to my favorite character, Deputy Sacks. Keep on fighting for justice, brother!

[Abaddon]

Actually Wallace was on his way to Paris to look for her, he didn't know she actually moved back to NY. Veronica tracked her down in NY, called her and told her to meet Wallace at the airport before he got his connecting flight to Paris. Basically the entire life she told him she lived was a lie, she also had a kid. He knows there's no future there and probably did all the talking about it he's going to over the summer.

Yeah, I skipped all that and went to NY part.:o

I'd forgotten about the kid.:huh:

[JLBats]

Why?:huh:


It's a funding issue. Last year Wallace was gone from a large portion of the middle of the season just to meet the contractual obligations. It sucks, but it's the network's problem, not the show's.

[maxwell's demon]

My wife jsut mentioned something about last ep that went totally over my head. She thinks Wallace totally DIDN't Cheat on the test, but instead wrote "go to such and such room and you'll find the guy who sells the "Study aids".

my wife is smarter than me:csad:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

^I thought that as well. I don't think Wallace would cheat. He's too smart.

[Darren Daring]

Max's wife is so smart:( Also, The guy you thought is the rapist, Max, same guy who played Lucky!

[Abaddon]

my wife is smarter than me:csad:

Smarter than I.

[amazingfantasy15]

Loved tonight's episode with cheating running rampant throughout the Neptune/Hearst in so many different ways. Good to see Wallace owned up to his cheating and was willing to throw everything away to follow his true dream. Liked Logan's little bit a cheating, completely the way Logan would do that, first use his name, then find another way out. The rape case is getting more interesting with the TA working on it and Veronica thinking she has the right person, only for Logan to tell her different. I'm leaning towards the newspaper editor, but that seems too obvious, so out of the blue guess is Piz, only because of the way he acted around Parker. One annoying thing is that the classroom's don't seem to look the same as they did earlier in the season for what seems to be classes I've seen the characters already attend. However, at least our characters are seen attending class and worrying about class and their grades, which is always very rare in television series especially when a show moves to college.

[The Apatow Crew]

If they make it the Piz guy that would be too easy. I expect better from them.

[Darren Daring]

Also, as JAL is too stupid to point out, There were rapes going on last year, when Piz was in a different state

[amazingfantasy15]

Most people visit colleges before they attend though and we know for a fact one of the rapes happened during a "pre-frosh" visit.

[Darren Daring]

At least two happened, weeks apart.

[Abaddon]

Sigh, Keith.:csad:

[maxwell's demon]

:csad: my wife just sent me this- i think its from TVGuide.com:

Many of you have written in asking about this, and here's the deal: According to Rob Thomas, Francis had a medical condition that's required quite a bit of medication, causing him to swell up and break out. The swelling has since subsided, and Francis returns in Episode 9 looking "lean and mean," Rob tells me. Some skin problems remain, but "he's feeling better, and it's just a matter of time before he's his old self."

[GL1]

Honestly, the adding mass for prison thing kinda made sense in an off way... and it really works for the "Janitor just trying to do right" as he becomes more of a force, I imagine him getting lean and mean again will be pretty cool...

Kazaam! (sorry)

[The Watchman]

Though unintentional, it actually does work quite well, especially with characterization and how the audience is supposed to view him.

[GL1]

Finally got to "Hi, Infidelity" and man... not the uber-cliffhanger I was excpecting, but still cool...

Problem with Mercer: Cologne? Clippers? Are they serious? EVERY Guy I know has clippers, worst case scenario find some matching hair on the clippers or something. But the chances of multiple guys wearing a type of cologne are just too high... though perhaps we can look to Mercer's roomate or what have you. I heard storylines are going to be shorter this season, does this mean the rape storyline will wrap up soon?

I hadn't realized that we hadn't seen Mac at ALL. Wow.

Keith hurts though... isn't that what he DOES? Find infidelity? It'll be interesting if he has to out maneuver a PI hired to track Harmony... where's that snarky guy from Season 1... the guy with the pens?

Also, the TA went from a jerk to one of the brightest jerks around. I love him now... he's a formidable jerk. Every show needs a character like that. House MD pays their bills with it.

This show is awesome, btw... yeah.

[The Watchman]

Pubic hair - clipped. Solution.

I wanna lick down kristen bell - with my penis.

but only because the show is good. :Lups;

[Holly Goodhead]

why is that mexican guy so fat now?
is Lamb the cops name? yummo!
i hope Veronica gets raped again next episode :up: i hate Logan, but he's hot

[amazingfantasy15]

Finally got to "Hi, Infidelity" and man... not the uber-cliffhanger I was excpecting, but still cool...

Problem with Mercer: Cologne? Clippers? Are they serious? EVERY Guy I know has clippers, worst case scenario find some matching hair on the clippers or something. But the chances of multiple guys wearing a type of cologne are just too high... though perhaps we can look to Mercer's roomate or what have you. I heard storylines are going to be shorter this season, does this mean the rape storyline will wrap up soon?

You forgot the real smoking gun, Sheriff Lamb found GHB (the date rape drug) in Mercer's casino cash box.

[Abaddon]

Mercer is working the sorority selling weed, to pay hush someone for a favor that somehows connected to the rapes or some **** like that!!:eek::wow::eek:

[The Apatow Crew]

Should be a good episode tonight.

I'm ready with my new avvy.

[Abaddon]

I think it's odd that a show that often focuses on sex crimes has characters with names like Dick, Beaver, and Woody.

[The Apatow Crew]

I think it's odd that a show that often focuses on sex crimes has characters with names like Dick, Beaver, and Woody.Yeah in the end of the first season which i've been watching this past week. They introduce beaver as the Beaver. but yeah that is pretty crazy though.

[maxwell's demon]

tonight's episode was....unsettling. and a South Park reference at the end? wtf?

[The Apatow Crew]

tonight's episode was....unsettling. and a South Park reference at the end? wtf?Yeah i know and i'm like Stan Marsh? Thats a South Park character.

[amazingfantasy15]

Something that didn't make sense to me was why Veronica tried to get in her car and not call anyone. I know she was having trust issues with her dad and Logan, but she knew she was drugged and obviously not okay to drive. There was not only a South Park reference, but a Blues Brothers reference too, when she mentioned Orange Whip.

[Holly Goodhead]

what season is this? i love the theme song

[Darren Daring]

3. it's Swell.

Does anyone else want to hear JAL's in depth thoughts on this show? I do.

[amazingfantasy15]

It's season 3, you should definitely watch the first two seasons that are on DVD, they're great and really help you understand the characters more.

The theme song is "We Used to Be Friends" by The Dandy Warhols

[The Apatow Crew]

what season is this? i love the theme songThe first two seasons had a much more faster opening. And the theme song was a bit faster. And its third like DD said.

[Holly Goodhead]

It's season 3, you should definitely watch the first two seasons that are on DVD, they're great and really help you understand the characters more.

The theme song is "We Used to Be Friends" by The Dandy Warhols

i know. i downloaded it already.

ive seen most of season 1 , half of season 2

[Darren Daring]

I think the Theme Song is super awesome:up: Peachy keen!

[The Watchman]

Probably in my top 3 TV shows on right now.

This season is lacking something hoewever.

[Abaddon]

Good ep. but this season could still use a Buffy alum

[maxwell's demon]

Probably in my top 3 TV shows on right now.

This season is lacking something hoewever.
its called "the CW effect". I'm hoping its only temporary.

[Sawyer]

its called "the CW effect". I'm hoping its only temporary.

With the way last nights ended, I would definatley assume it was temporary.

[GL1]

Page 9 -- 11/10/06
Keith hurts though... isn't that what he DOES? Find infidelity? It'll be interesting if he has to out maneuver a PI hired to track Harmony... where's that snarky guy from Season 1... the guy with the pens?

I think I called one! This doesn't happen often, so I'm very happy with myself...

[Abaddon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6F7aSTdtvQ&NR

[JLBats]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6F7aSTdtvQ&NR

Huh. It doesn't fit as badly as I expected, but the visuals have to be sped up just a little bit. Under this music, they look lethargic.

[GL1]

I like the change in style a whole lot... it's not a song I would listen to on its own, but it represents a certain maturing of the show, and was necessary with the change from HS to college and UPN to CW. It makes sense, even if it's "emo."

I, personally would be favorable to a more uptempo theme next year or two years from now... perhaps different chords than previously used, but uptempon nontheless... this, however, is fine for now, imho.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Wait--the girls raped chip?:huh: WTF?

[amazingfantasy15]

Damn great episode tonight, need to watch it again to get everything in the kidnapping case, but the rape stuff was really good. So two of what five? rapes were faked. However, Maybe Funke, Parker and the other girl from last season we don't know about could've been the girls, could've been someone else. I want to see next weeks episode now! I really didn't like that LoVe/Piz=? though, Logan deserves to something good in his life, he's probably the most tragic character on the show. At least Mac comes back next week. So who's the real rapist and who dies? Sucks that Hallie's little game destroyed the whole greek system, she's gonna be Miss Popular now, better hope her boyfriend makes with the leaving fast.

[Abaddon]

Poor Logan. That whole brawl in the lunchroom was unexpected. And for a bizarre moment I thought Meg was in the preview for next week. Too many damn blondes in Neptune.:o But yay, Mac comes back!:yay:

Wait--the girls raped chip?:huh: WTF?

Technically he was sodomized.:o