new GEARS OF WAR screenshots

[artist71]

Gears 01 (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/261/928234_20050919_screen001.jpg) Gears 02 (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/261/928234_20050919_screen003.jpg) Gears 03 (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/261/928234_20050919_screen004.jpg)

These are some of the new screenshots of Gears of War from Epic Games. Its going to be an X-Box 360 title.
Before the debate begins let me tell you guys that these images are taken from an INGAME cinamatic. These are not prerendered.

This is the level of detail that you will be getting when playing Gears.
Enjoy:)

[Rizpower]

These aren't new at all. And they're probably touched up. In fact, I gurantee it.

[THWIP*]

I NEVER WOULD'VE QUESTIONED WHETHER IT WAS IN-GAME OR IN-ENGINE, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN PLENTY FROM DAY ONE TO KNOW HOW AWESOME THIS GAME WILL LOOK. :up:

[WhatsHisFace]

These aren't new at all. And they're probably touched up. In fact, I gurantee it.
When you see the high-res shots, you can see the jaggies since the AA isn't on yet. It IS in engine.

[Galactus]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_305/vortal_pic_152825.jpg

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/screenshots_library/dir_305/vortal_pic_152827.jpg

[Jamiepoole]

This game is going to be awesome. (those shots are in game btw, I have seen a video of a playable demo...it's truly amazing). It reminds me kinda of aliens, a team of marines going after an ugly, practically unstoppable enemy....I really can't wait. does it have a release date yet?

Us sci fi/horror fans are well catered for by the new box, thats for sure.

[WhatsHisFace]

Old Images
These images are old, and were taken down from most sites at someone's request for being old.

[DorkyFresh]

damn...i hope i own an xbox360 by the time this game comes out...hehe

[HUMAN]

January 16 is the release date. I have it on hold at GameStop. :cool:

[WeeZiTe]

January 16 is the release date. I have it on hold at GameStop. :cool:
It's not going to come out until AT LEAST MARCH, but PROBABLY NOT UNTIL JUNE, and POSSIBLY FALL 2006. It looks like a really really great game and I can't wait to play it. The gameplay demos look sicks as hell.

[THWIP*]

January 16 is the release date. I have it on hold at GameStop. :cool:


LOL.......'GAMESTOP' IS NOT RELIABLE; YOU GOT SCREWED. :D

[WhatsHisFace]

I just got my copy of GoW today. It's a great game. Beat it in forty-five minutes.

[THWIP*]

I just got my copy of GoW today. It's a great game. Beat it in forty-five minutes.


GIVE ME DETAILS! :eek: :D

[WhatsHisFace]

As a game, it's pretty much like Resident Evil 4's gameplay, the level designs of the Half-Life games and a mix of shooting from Halo and Killswitch.

As a story, it's a mix of Pitch Black and Brothers in Arms.

The graphics are what we've seen from the latest media. Effects are pretty standard though it has the best blood splats ever.

[WhatsHisFace]

As a game, it's pretty much like Resident Evil 4's gameplay, the level designs of the Half-Life games and a mix of shooting from Halo and Killswitch.

As a story, it's a mix of Pitch Black and Brothers in Arms.

The graphics are what we've seen from the latest media. Effects are pretty standard though it has the best blood splats ever.

[WaffleKnockers]

NO WAI!!!


:rolleyes: :p

[artist71]

GOW will be in stores in September 06. EB Games and Gamestop pull dates out of there ass. Gears was never planned on being released in March.

Yeah those are some REALLY old images.

[WhatsHisFace]

GOW will be in stores in September 06. EB Games and Gamestop pull dates out of there ass. Gears was never planned on being released in March.

Yeah those are some REALLY old images.
Holy crap I forgot to get my drawings to you! :( :eek: :(

I'll start the process tomorrow! :up:

[THWIP*]

GOW will be in stores in September 06. EB Games and Gamestop pull dates out of there ass. Gears was never planned on being released in March.

Yeah those are some REALLY old images.


WELL, IF YOU'RE POSTING THIS PUBLICLY, IT MUST BE OFFICIAL. I WAS REALLY HOPING WHEN YOU FIRST TOLD ME THAT, YOU WERE MISTAKEN. :down:(

[artist71]

www.gearsofwar.com is a real site now.

There is a pic of me in there too. I am wearing a superman shirt...happy hunting:)

[ToddIsDead]

Has there been a confirmed release date yet?

[블라스]

Dude, this game is going to make me so happy.

[artist71]

Not yet.

[ToddIsDead]

Dude, this game is going to make me so happy.
Me too. It looks so good.

[블라스]

Thwippy tells me about this game ALL the time, and I was really excited about it, but after reading this, my anticipation for this game has mutilplied by 10,002 times.


http://www.gearsofwar.com/about/

[ToddIsDead]

Damn. This game sounds more and more sexxy every time I read about it. It's definitely on the top of my most anticipated games list.

[Zenien]

RE5 > Gears of War

OH NO I DIDN'T!

[WhatsHisFace]

RE5 > Gears of War

OH NO I DIDN'T!
Gears of War has multiplayer and co-op.

OOPS for Zenien!:!L:!

[XwolverineX]

Gears of War has multiplayer and co-op.

OOPS for Zenien!:!L:!


GOW is CO-OP!!! :eek: Online and Off?


And RE4 was overrated. * BURSTS OUT OF THREAD * :O:O

[Phaser]

RE5 > Gears of War

Isn't RE5 slated for both the 360 and the PS3?

[Zenien]

Yep.

[Horrorfan]

Yep.
But only the 360 gets both :D

[WhatsHisFace]

Isn't RE5 slated for both the 360 and the PS3?
Yeah, Zenien just wants to imagine that RE5 will be so good of a game, that it will totally replace whatever experience you can get from Gears of War, despite them being largely different games.

[Zenien]

When you're done being a stupid douche let us know/Go talk about how N3 is technically superior to Heavenly Sword some more. :rolleyes:

[Zenien]

GOW is CO-OP!!! :eek: Online and Off?


And RE4 was overrated. * BURSTS OUT OF THREAD * :O:O

RE5 will have online. :(

[artist71]

Zenien you are hurting my feelings :(

[WhatsHisFace]

When you're done being a stupid douche let us know/Go talk about how N3 is technically superior to Heavenly Sword some more. :rolleyes:
I can't wait until Heavenly Sword looks like **** at E3.

[Zenien]

Zenien you are hurting my feelings :(

You worked on a team who makes games for Sony once upon a time, so I shall relent out of respect. :(

How are you anyway?

Thinly veiled hints about EPIC games will give you Zenien points, commence hinting. :o

[WhatsHisFace]

You worked on a team who makes games for Sony once upon a time, so I shall relent out of respect. :(

How are you anyway?

Thinly veiled hints about EPIC games will give you Zenien points, commence hinting. :o
There's no such thing as Zenien points.

[Zenien]

There's no such thing as Zenien points.

Unreal 3.0 doesn't support tiling.

[Horrorfan]

All I know is Gears will pwn the **** out of Metal Gear Goofy 4 and every other PS3 exclusive thus far.

[Zenien]

Ok.

[Horrorfan]

Yeah ok. Whatever you say.

Let's face it, the last one hardly set the charts alight.

[Zenien]

If by hardly set the charts a light you mean like 5 million worldwide.

I wouldn't expect Gears of War to move the volume of MGS3, if that's how you're basing quality. I could be wrong, but GoW's sales prospects in relation to MGS are sort of beside the point.

[Horrorfan]

If by hardly set the charts a light you mean 5 million worldwide.

That doesn't sound as much as I would have expected from a franchise heavy hitter.

[Horrorfan]

If by hardly set the charts a light you mean 5 million worldwide.

And I wouldn't expect Gears of War to move the volume of MGS, if that's how you're basing quality.


That's because MGS has a huge audience with no real aptitude for quality. Kinda like Friends.

[Zenien]

That's certainly your opinion and I have the right to disagree.

...

...

..So you're saying that Gears of War won't be a heavy hitter then...

[Horrorfan]

That's certainly your opinion and I have the right to disagree.

...

...

..So you're saying that Gears of War won't be a heavy hitter then...

I think it will be a kick ass game. Im not sure about it sales prospects though.... the biggest hits always usually come out of nowhere (ie the first Halo, Resident Evil and pretty much all the major franchises). Usually when you try to 'engineer' a hit with hype first time round, it doesn't stick (advent rising for example). I bet it will still be a great game though.

[artist71]

If by hardly set the charts a light you mean like 5 million worldwide.

I wouldn't expect Gears of War to move the volume of MGS3, if that's how you're basing quality. I could be wrong, but GoW's sales prospects in relation to MGS are sort of beside the point.


Sale prospects are the biggest BS ever. When I was working on Freekstyle EA predicted it to sell 6 million. LOL
Never ever trust one one of those. You guys remember Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain? The stores pre oreder 500,000 copies because of sales prospects...I still don't think think they even sold half of that...but it was a bad game.

[THE LIZARD#1]

I will say that this game does look impressive however I think we all should just F**King wait and see at E3 instead of having these stupid arguments on what game looks amazing and which doesn't. For all I know this game can look Sexy and have horrible controls.

[Zenien]

Sale prospects are the biggest BS ever. When I was working on Freekstyle EA predicted it to sell 6 million. LOL
Never ever trust one one of those. You guys remember Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain? The stores pre oreder 500,000 copies because of sales prospects...I still don't think think they even sold half of that...but it was a bad game.

I'm not going by what any marketing head has said about the game, I'm just going by what I think are realistic expectations for the title. It's going to be a hit in America and Europe. It's got shooting, multiplayer, and it's gritty, to make a sweeping generalization about the 360 userbase, those types of games DO relatively well. Conservatively I'm expecting it to be sub 1 million units in America and my best scenario for it is the 2 million range. I don't expect it to reach the same sales in Europe, but it will still do well, and then you have the nice "other" territory figures that are never made clear.

Just my crystal ball at work providing it comes through on the level of quality that I think most people are expecting.

[블라스]

Sale prospects are the biggest BS ever. When I was working on Freekstyle EA predicted it to sell 6 million. LOL
Never ever trust one one of those. You guys remember Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain? The stores pre oreder 500,000 copies because of sales prospects...I still don't think think they even sold half of that...but it was a bad game.

Dude, you have my money already :up:

[Zenien]

I'm not sure what he was trying to impress upon me with that post, since he quoted my comments and I assume it was in relation to me saying I didn't expect GoW to hit the same volumes as MGS does since I was talking about imo. Maybe it was just an "inside the industry nugget" post for us non industry-ers. :O

[WhatsHisFace]

Conservatively I'm expecting it to be sub 1 million units in America and my best scenario for it is the 2 million range. I don't expect it to reach the same sales in Europe, but it will still do well, and then you have the nice "other" territory figures that are never made clear.
That is pretty conservative. I expect Gears of War to sell about 2 million units worldwide by a year after it's release.

Heck, the first SplinterCell sold 1.6 on Xbox alone and didn't even have multiplayer or shoot-outs.

[Liquid Snake]

How about we wait till E3? MGS4 will be more than GOW generic rage shallow gameplay shooter can ever hope to be.

[블라스]

Hahahaha :down

[WhatsHisFace]

How about we wait till E3? MGS4 will be more than GOW generic rage shallow gameplay shooter can ever hope to be.
I know, an old Solid Snake in a senseless neo-political story slapped on a decade-old gameplay model is going to be so much more fun to play than an original IP next-gen co-op game from Epic.

[Zenien]

That is pretty conservative. I expect Gears of War to sell about 2 million units worldwide by a year after it's release.

Heck, the first SplinterCell sold 1.6 on Xbox alone and didn't even have multiplayer or shoot-outs.

Sorry I was talking about America when I said the sub 1 million, 2 million best case scenario thing.

[Horrorfan]

I know, an old Solid Snake in a senseless neo-political story slapped on a decade-old gameplay model is going to be so much more fun to play than an original IP next-gen co-op game from Epic.


Hideo Kojima mocked Uwe Boll's desire to make the MGS movie, but let's face it, even Uwe Boll could crap out a better, more cohereant plot, as well as better dialogues and characters.

[Phaser]

Hideo Kojima mocked Uwe Boll's desire to make the MGS movie, but let's face it, even Uwe Boll could crap out a better, more cohereant plot, as well as better dialogues and characters.

You should be hung by your testicles for just mentioning Kojima in the same sentence as Uwe Boll. Even if he sinks down into the farthest depths of suckage in the games industry, Kojima is still a god compared to the puddle of dog piss that is Boll.

[WhatsHisFace]

Uwe Boll ruined Dungeon Siege. :(

[THWIP*]

You should be hung by your testicles for just mentioning Kojima in the same sentence as Uwe Boll. Even if he sinks down into the farthest depths of suckage in the games industry, Kojima is still a god compared to the puddle of dog piss that is Boll.


BUT HE'S 100% RIGHT. :confused: :o

[THWIP*]

RE5 > Gears of War

OH NO I DIDN'T!


OH YES YOU DID.....YOU SPAM-HAPPY LESBIAN CRACKWHORE! :down:mad:

[Horrorfan]

You should be hung by your testicles for just mentioning Kojima in the same sentence as Uwe Boll. Even if he sinks down into the farthest depths of suckage in the games industry, Kojima is still a god compared to the puddle of dog piss that is Boll.
You seem like a decent guy, so I hate to do this to you, but deep down inside, in your heart and in the rumblings of your bowls, you KNOW this to be true: Uwe Boll is a better writer than Hideo Kojima will ever be. We know it's true, but admiting it is the first step on the road to recovery from MGS syndrome.

[Zenien]

Not even close...

[WhatsHisFace]

I've never seen a Uwe Boll movie so I can't speak for myself, but MGS's story is terrible in general, but games typically have bad stories.

[Horrorfan]

Not even close...

I know. I can actually understand what Boll's work is trying to say, even if he says it HORRIBLY with ****ty dialogue, camera, acting, etc. I agree it's not even close.

Boll>


Heaven



Middle earth


Hell



Kojima

[Master Chief]

RE5 > Gears of War

OH NO I DIDN'T!

...I agree... if Jill Valentine is in it. :o

[chi-boy]

Blame the bad writing on the translators. MGS just needs some better writers. Still, at least we'll know MGS4 will have better art direction than Gears, which just looks like the latest, generic FPS featuring the same steroid pumping, bulky armor-clad grizzled marine with a huge gun. I swear to god, all the characters shown so far are interchangable with every other character in a FPS.

[WhatsHisFace]

MGS4 needs a hollywood writer on the level of Andrew Niccol to salvage the story of that series.

[Horrorfan]

which just looks like the latest, generic FPS featuring the same steroid pumping, bulky armor-clad grizzled marine with a huge gun. I swear to god, all the characters shown so far are interchangable with every other character in a FPS.

Replace FSP with third person actioner and I swear you would be talking bout MGS4

(not to mention Gears isn't even a fps, brainbox).

[chi-boy]

I hope MSG4 tones down the symbolism as well. WTF was up with the Boss's scar slithering away like a snake at the end of MGS3??? It's stuff like that that ruins an otherwise awesome moment.

[Horrorfan]

I hope MSG4 tones down the symbolism as well. WTF was up with the Boss's scar slithering away like a snake at the end of MGS3??? It's stuff like that that ruins an otherwise awesome moment.

No, it's the script, characters and archaic gameplay that ruins it.

[chi-boy]

Replace FSP with third person actioner and I swear you would be talking bout MGS4

(not to mention Gears isn't even a fps, brainbox).

Well that's neat. At least we'll get to see the generic looking main character. :up: :)

[Horrorfan]

Well that's neat. At least we'll get to see the generic looking main character. :up: :)

I don't care about Metal Gear to be honest.

[chi-boy]

I don't care about Metal Gear to be honest.

Um, that's nice?

[Horrorfan]

Um, that's nice?


You were talking bout MGS4 when talking about seeing the generic main character right?

[Zenien]

MGS4 needs a hollywood writer on the level of Andrew Niccol to salvage the story of that series.

Just stop talking. MGS games have always had good stories. MGS doesn't need any salvaging. You have inane half baked hatred of the weirdest things and use it to discredit anything for practically no reason.

Boll is nowhere near as good as Kojima, the PLOT of MGS games are consistently good. I can't believe people are even spewing this garbage about the plot of MGS games being bad of Boil or anything, absolutely retarded.

MGS2 was just long winded, time for "OMGFG VAMPIRE ROLLERBLADES", yeah be quiet it's a VIDEO GAME, MGS has never been "OMFG REALITY-ZORZ!".

[Horrorfan]

Just stop talking. MGS games have always had good stories. MGS doesn't need any salvaging. You have inane half baked hatred of the weirdest things and use it to discredit anything for practically no reason.

Boll is nowhere near as good as Kojima, the PLOT of MGS games are consistently good. I can't believe people are even spewing this garbage about the plot of MGS games being bad of Boil or anything, absolutely retarded.

MGS2 was just long winded, time for "OMGFG VAMPIRE ROLLERBLADES", yeah be quiet it's a VIDEO GAME, MGS has never been "OMFG REALITY-ZORZ!".

Talk about deluded....

[Zenien]

Let me guess GeoW will have a better story.

[Horrorfan]

Let me guess GeoW will have a better story.


As long as it avoids trying to throw in ill concived villains that dont fit the universe and avoids inane, sensless rambling ('now the battlefield is eternal?' wtf? who writes that crap?) then yes.

[Zenien]

Don't fit the Universe... MG has always had out there villains and characters ever since MG1 all the way to the most recent games. So really, tell me what characters don't fit the 'universe'.

"Now the battlefeild is eternal" where did you get that from, or where you just pararphrasing because when a character in a video game uses metaphors it confuses you.

So So GeoW can have the stupidest kill the enemies story in existance with no depth and you'd still prefer it over good characters and plot because DARN any measure of oddballness shouldn't belong in ANYTHING!

[Horrorfan]

Don't fit the Universe... MG has always had out there villains and characters ever since MG1 all the way to the most recent games. So really, tell me what characters don't fit the 'universe'.

"Now the battlefeild is eternal" where did you get that from, or where you just pararphrasing because when a character in a video game uses metaphors it confuses you.

So So GeoW can have the stupidest kill the enemies story in existance with no depth and you'd still prefer it over good characters and plot because DARN any measure of oddballness shouldn't belong in ANYTHING!

Metal Gear has no depth, just a pretense of depth.

And good characters and plot? Are you on crack?

A good plot is any of the splinter cell games. None of the stupid BS of the metal gear solid.

[Zenien]

Yeah ok, you just have a certain taste for the tone of a storyline, quality be damned, now that we've had this little revalation we can move on.

[Liquid Snake]

SC has good plot? What the hell are you on? The next one looks good because of the innovation in storytelling but the past ones have been like watching CNN.

[Horrorfan]

That's why it's a politcal thriller. Duh.

[Phaser]

BUT HE'S 100% RIGHT. :confused: :o

You seem like a decent guy, so I hate to do this to you, but deep down inside, in your heart and in the rumblings of your bowls, you KNOW this to be true: Uwe Boll is a better writer than Hideo Kojima will ever be. We know it's true, but admiting it is the first step on the road to recovery from MGS syndrome.

Come on. You folks may not exactly be fond of Kojima, but despite his screwups, the man has undeniably injected certain moments in the MGS series that are pure cinematic genius. And his writing is not too shabby either, as long as he keeps himself restrained that is.

Can't say the same for Boll, who deserves to be anally impaled with thick burning iron rods and forcefully fed pig feces for every single frame of film that's he's shot.

[Phaser]

That's why it's a politcal thriller. Duh.

Not to mention the Splinter Cell games have always had pretty snappy dialogue. :up:

[chi-boy]

Just stop talking. MGS games have always had good stories. MGS doesn't need any salvaging. You have inane half baked hatred of the weirdest things and use it to discredit anything for practically no reason.

Boll is nowhere near as good as Kojima, the PLOT of MGS games are consistently good. I can't believe people are even spewing this garbage about the plot of MGS games being bad of Boil or anything, absolutely retarded.

MGS2 was just long winded, time for "OMGFG VAMPIRE ROLLERBLADES", yeah be quiet it's a VIDEO GAME, MGS has never been "OMFG REALITY-ZORZ!".

MGS has good stories and characters, but sometimes the melodrama and japanese symbolism weighs everything down. There's alot of stuff that we don't need to know about, like Otacon's affair with his stepmom. That ruined the game for me. I've tried very hard to repress alot of what happened in MGS2.

Yeah, the bosses are over the top, but that's MGS for you. The whole Raiden thing was poorly executed, but had some good ideas like the whole SSS thing. Also, MGS2 had one of the cheesiest endings ever. I always thought it was funny how Snake and Raiden are standing next to this pile of rubble that used to be a federal building, they're wearing these hi-tech suits yet all the pedestrians are just walking by casually, as if nothing happened. And then Rose appearing seemingly out of no where so we can get a happy ending. Kojima is like Lucas, in that when they get unlimited resources they can't control themselves and have to make everything over the top and flashy. Kojima redeemed himself with Snake Eater though.

[THWIP*]

Come on. You folks may not exactly be fond of Kojima, but despite his screwups, the man has undeniably injected certain moments in the MGS series that are pure cinematic genius. And his writing is not too shabby either, as long as he keeps himself restrained that is.

Can't say the same for Boll, who deserves to be anally impaled with thick burning iron rods and forcefully fed pig feces for every single frame of film that's he's shot.


THEN HE NEEDS TO BE MAKING MOVIES, INSTEAD OF GAMES. :down
BESIDES, BOLL'S MOVIES ARE USUALLY BASED OFF OF BAD VIDEO GAMES TO BEGIN WITH.

[chi-boy]

THEN HE NEEDS TO BE MAKING MOVIES, INSTEAD OF GAMES. :down

Why can't he do both? :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

I still can't believe I didn't see Bloodrayne.

[Zenien]

THEN HE NEEDS TO BE MAKING MOVIES, INSTEAD OF GAMES. :down
BESIDES, BOLL'S MOVIES ARE USUALLY BASED OFF OF BAD VIDEO GAMES TO BEGIN WITH.

So no game should have a cinimatic quality to it because that's best left to movies, ok.

or...

Brace yourself everyone, a variation of the "Metal Gear Solid games aren't fun to play, they're just interactive movies" bull**** arguement coming up.

[WhatsHisFace]

Zenien, will you be on AIM tonight, or should I just go to sleep?

[Zenien]

I'm on right now.

[WhatsHisFace]

AIM activate.

[Phaser]

THEN HE NEEDS TO BE MAKING MOVIES, INSTEAD OF GAMES. :down

The first MGS had great gameplay. Maybe not so the second one, and the third one also felt a bit dated, but it still played pretty well.

BESIDES, BOLL'S MOVIES ARE USUALLY BASED OFF OF BAD VIDEO GAMES TO BEGIN WITH.

You and I both know that equating Kojima with Boll is exaggeration to the point of stupidity.

[XwolverineX]

Kojima's story's rule.

[THWIP*]

The first MGS had great gameplay. Maybe not so the second one, and the third one also felt a bit dated, but it still played pretty well.



You and I both know that equating Kojima with Boll is exaggeration to the point of stupidity.


PERHAPS YOU'VE MISSED THE MANY ARGUMENTS I'VE PARTICIPATED IN, WITH ALL OF 'LIQUID SNAKE'S 'MGS' THREADS OF THE PAST.........BUT I HATE THE 'MGS' FRANCHISE.
AFTER THE PS1 'MGS' GAME, THE FRANCHISE TOOK A NOSEDIVE, IMO, BECAUSE THEY STARTED SCREWING OVER THE GAMERS. IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT THEY DID THE 'MGS2:SUBSTANCE' BULLS**T........BUT THEY PULLED THE SAME S**T WITH 'MGS3:SUBSISTENCE'. RATHER THAN MAKE A COMPLETE, "REAL" GAME FROM THE BEGINNING, THEY'VE JUST BEEN RELEASING "TEASERS", WITH A CRAPLOAD OF CINEMATIC FLUFF. THEN, THEY EXPECT YOU TO GIVE THEM MORE MONEY (AND THEY KNOW FANS FOOLISHLY WILL), FOR WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL GAME.

KOJIMA IS A MONEY-GRUBBING WANNABE MOVIE DIRECTOR. BOLL IS JUST A TYPICAL HOLLYWOOD "B MOVIE" HACK..........BUT HE'S PRETTY MUCH ADMITTED THAT HIMSELF IN INTERVIEWS AT LEAST. YOU'LL NEVER HEAR/READ KOJIMA ADMITTING HE'S SCREWED HIS GULLIBLE FANS OUT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. :down

[Phaser]

PERHAPS YOU'VE MISSED THE MANY ARGUMENTS I'VE PARTICIPATED IN, WITH ALL OF 'LIQUID SNAKE'S 'MGS' THREADS OF THE PAST.........BUT I HATE THE 'MGS' FRANCHISE.

Yes, I know that much already.

AFTER THE PS1 'MGS' GAME, THE FRANCHISE TOOK A NOSEDIVE, IMO, BECAUSE THEY STARTED SCREWING OVER THE GAMERS. IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT THEY DID THE 'MGS2:SUBSTANCE' BULLS**T........BUT THEY PULLED THE SAME S**T WITH 'MGS3:SUBSISTENCE'. RATHER THAN MAKE A COMPLETE, "REAL" GAME FROM THE BEGINNING, THEY'VE JUST BEEN RELEASING "TEASERS", WITH A CRAPLOAD OF CINEMATIC FLUFF. THEN, THEY EXPECT YOU TO GIVE THEM MORE MONEY (AND THEY KNOW FANS FOOLISHLY WILL), FOR WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL GAME.

I agree with you on that whole "substance/subsistence" crap. Apparently Konami's strategy with the MGS games have always been like this - release the U.S version of the game first. Then the European version a couple months later with the "European Extreme" difficulty and the "demo theatre". Then another couple months later, make yet another "special" version that includes the extras from the European version plus a couple other bonus additions along with a cheeky subtitle. We've seen it with the first MGS (the one that had the game + the VR missions pack), MGS2 (Substance) and MGS3 (Subsistence). It's gullible double dipping at its worst.

KOJIMA IS A MONEY-GRUBBING WANNABE MOVIE DIRECTOR. BOLL IS JUST A TYPICAL HOLLYWOOD "B MOVIE" HACK..........BUT HE'S PRETTY MUCH ADMITTED THAT HIMSELF IN INTERVIEWS AT LEAST. YOU'LL NEVER HEAR/READ KOJIMA ADMITTING HE'S SCREWED HIS GULLIBLE FANS OUT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. :down

Even if you hate Kojima and the MGS franchise, there is no denying that Kojima is a lot more talented than Boll, at least when it comes down writing and cinema. Boll is not just a "typical Hollywood B-movie" hack. His films make B-movies look like Oscar material.

[Mentok]

Regarding the 'Subsistence' talk... Video Games are a business... They have made a crap load of money for Konami.

[Phaser]

Regarding the 'Subsistence' talk... Video Games are a business... They have made a crap load of money for Konami.

That is a reason for the double-dipping, yes, but not a justification, which is why people who get pissed off with the disgusting double-dip strategy of Konami have every right to do so.

[Zenien]

Wow THWIP just accused the initial releases of being Teasers with Cinimatic Fluff, and not real games.

If people are so disgusted than don't buy the improved edition that comes with a ton of extra content the second time, being sol it at a lower price. People might just be disgusted because they KNOW it's smart buisiness. With Substance I might agree that it's Guilible Double dipping, but Subsistence is an entirely different story. They don't cut an important feature from the initial release just so they can put it in the re-release. You can just wait for the re-release if you don't want to get the initial release, no one is forcing you to buy these games in any specific order.

I've double dipped for every MGS release, and it's always been a good decision on my part. Especially with Subsistence. The added content is reason for me to get the game again if the added content is substancial enough. If it's just like the integral version of MGS1 that wasn't actually that much of a signifigant upgrade, Konami released those versions abroad as th actual MGS release and re-released integral at budget price in Japan.

But let's be honest, Subsistence is so much more than it would be stupid to call say it's a rip off to get the game twice. If you really enjoy the game and like the over flowing extra content of subsistence, why not? I've been doing pretty much nothing on my PS2 aside from playing Subsistence online and offline since it came out thanks to all the extra offline content and the Online mode which is fantastic (Sprinkled with Kingdom Hearts).

Point is Subsistence has been worth the money that I've spent on it.

[Phaser]

If people are so disgusted than don't buy the improved edition that comes with a ton of extra content the second time and sell it at a lower price.

"A ton of extra content" my ass. Good expansion packs of PC games pack twice as much new stuff at the exact same price, if not less. If you take away the silly and useless extras, there is absolutely nothing in Substance or Subsistence that couldn't have been thrown in the game the first time around.

People might just be disgusted because they KNOW it's smart buisiness.

No, they're disgusted because now they have to pay an extra 20-25 for things that could have been easily included with the game back when they paid 50 bucks for it. And it's not just Konami, but practically every movie studio that keeps rolling out "special editions with new extras" and "unrated/extended cuts" every few months after the release of theatrical cut DVD that deserve to be collectively lynched for this.

And all you uneducated half-wits calling this tactic "smart business" don't know the first thing about what exactly "smart business" really is to begin with.

I've "double dipped" for every MGS release, and it's always been a good decision on my part. Especially with Subsistence.

The only reason most people give in to double-dipping is mostly because of the fact that they want to get the most out of their favorite movie or game experience as possible. But judging purely in terms of value for money, I view neither Substance nor Subsistence as a "good decision". I only bought them because I'm an MGS junkie who desperately needs his fix, who can't stay normal thinking there's a new MGS disc on store shelves and I don't have it.

[Zenien]

If you want the first game to have been delayed for a year sure.

Make sure to tell Nintendo that their handheld revision models are bad business.

[Phaser]

If you want the first game to have been delayed for a year sure.

Bullcrap. If fan-mod creators can come up with just as much stuff within a matter of a few months, I don't see how proffessional game developers can't.

[Horrorfan]

Even if you hate Kojima and the MGS franchise, there is no denying that Kojima is a lot more talented than Boll, at least when it comes down writing and cinema. Boll is not just a "typical Hollywood B-movie" hack. His films make B-movies look like Oscar material.


I honestly think that Boll is more talented. At least he KNOWS he sucks ass, whereas Kojima has dellusions of grandure. The only difference between the two is Kojima has fooled people into beliveing he's better than he is.

[chi-boy]

Halo 2's story sucked balls. What was up with that Little Shop of Horrors reject towards the end?

[Horrorfan]

Halo 2's story sucked balls. What was up with that Little Shop of Horrors reject towards the end?


What's up with Vamp? And in that new trailer, a retarded machine with legs? And Ninja? Did he just decide to throw every gaming cliche in the book in their or what?

[chi-boy]

What's up with Vamp? And in that new trailer, a retarded machine with legs? And Ninja? Did he just decide to throw every gaming cliche in the book in their or what?

Still better than a giant talking plant.

[Horrorfan]

Still better than a giant talking plant.


So an alien parasite is the same as a plant now?

Better watch out whenever you pass a patch of daphodiles, kid.

[chi-boy]

When it looks stupid like this, then yes:

http://www.goldcoasttickets.com/GoldCoastTickets/images/little-shop-horrors.jpg

And organic legs would work better in a combat situation, seeing as they can probably heal naturally over time, and move with more ease than a machine could. Besides, technology is getting smaller and smaller, it's only natural that it would come to resemble organic beings sooner or later.

[Horrorfan]

When it looks stupid like this, then yes:

And organic legs would work better in a combat situation, seeing as they can probably heal naturally over time, and move with more ease than a machine could. Besides, technology is getting smaller and smaller, it's only natural that it would come to resemble organic beings sooner or later.


Yeah that's so much better than a bisexual vampire who comes out of nowhere, cyberninjas and psychic bondage gimps. And hiding in a cardboard box! Watch out Sam Fisher, there's a new master of stealth afoot!

[chi-boy]

Whatever works, works.

[THWIP*]

I honestly think that Boll is more talented. At least he KNOWS he sucks ass, whereas Kojima has dellusions of grandure. The only difference between the two is Kojima has fooled people into beliveing he's better than he is.


EXACTLY.

[Phaser]

Make sure to tell Nintendo that their handheld revision models are bad business.

Which is exactly why I called you clowns uneducated half-wits. Comparing apples with oranges.

Hardware manufacturers like Nintendo need to come up with new and improved products at regular intervals to sustain themselves and expand their share. It's just the way the hardware market works - manufacturers constantly have to keep juggling with implimenting the advancements in technology, decreasing production costs and product longevity. The hardware business thrives on variety, flexible buying options and keeping up with the latest trends to stay competitive. This is especially true for products that employ dated technology.

Not a single one of Nintendo's "revised handhelds" offers any kind of substantial additions over the older ones. It's pretty much a case of either the new gizmo being "smaller" or "improved" in some way, but still basically the same as the older models.

I find it especially amusing that your ignorance prompts you to equate hardware manufacturers rolling out newer versions of the same product with that of double dipping by movie studios and game publishers, simply because they couldn't be any less identical.

Software typically has a lot less longevity than hardware, so periodic updates without any substantial additions in functionality trying to sustain a dated product are a waste of precious R&D and company resources in this business.

The difference that I'm aiming to highlight here is that Nintendo's revised handheld models have nothing to do with "smart business" strategy, mainly because it is one of the most basic textbook tactics employed by hardware companies to stay functional.

I don't see how Konami not releasing so-called "special editions" of it's heavyweight franchise would somehow compromise their market share in any way. It's just yet another despicable way of making a quick buck, that's all.

[Phaser]

I honestly think that Boll is more talented. At least he KNOWS he sucks ass, whereas Kojima has dellusions of grandure. The only difference between the two is Kojima has fooled people into beliveing he's better than he is.

That's the most asinine logic I've ever seen. Just because Boll knows he sucks ass makes him more talented? Since when is self-acknowledgement of the failure of one's work prove to be it's qualitative merit?

[WhatsHisFace]

Kojima could make a movie, but I doubt Boll could make a game.

[Horrorfan]

That's the most asinine logic I've ever seen. Just because Boll knows he sucks ass makes him more talented? Since when is self-acknowledgement of the failure of one's work prove to be it's qualitative merit?

Because it shows the guy is humble enough to know how much his work sucks. Not too many people are openly willing to admit faliure, and that's a good quality to have. Because if your convinced you are a god at your chosen field, you will never improve. I doubt Boll ever will improve, but you must be able to see how it's more admirable than being **** and refusing to acknoledge it.

[chi-boy]

I thought Hojima toned down alot of the codec and subplots in MG3 after all the complaints about MG2. How is that not aknowledging something that's wrong or ignoring fans???

[WhatsHisFace]

NOBODY gives a CRAP about Hideo Kojima or UWE BOLL!!!!!!!!

[Phaser]

Because it shows the guy is humble enough to know how much his work sucks. Not too many people are openly willing to admit faliure, and that's a good quality to have. Because if your convinced you are a god at your chosen field, you will never improve. I doubt Boll ever will improve, but you must be able to see how it's more admirable than being **** and refusing to acknoledge it.

Humbleness might be a good quality to have, but it does not, in any way shape or form, equal talent. Otherwise Russell Crowe might have been the worst actor walking the face of the Earth and all of Itagaki's games would have sucked major ass (since both of them think their **** smells sweeter than roses). Which couldn't be farther from the truth.

[Horrorfan]

Humbleness might be a good quality to have, but it does not, in any way shape or form, equal talent. Otherwise Russell Crowe might have been the worst actor walking the face of the Earth and all of Itagaki's games would have sucked major ass (since both of them think their **** smells sweeter than roses). Which couldn't be farther from the truth.

Well, I still say he can write better, more convincing dialogue. Not that he does write convincing and good dialogue, but in comparison.

[chi-boy]

Well, I still say he can write better, more convincing dialogue. Not that he does write convincing and good dialogue, but in comparison.

Does he actually write the english scripts too? I would imagine alot gets lost in the translation, especially for a complicated game like MGS.

[Phaser]

Well, I still say he can write better, more convincing dialogue. Not that he does write convincing and good dialogue, but in comparison.

You must either have the hots for Boll, or don't have the slightest idea of what constitutes even remotely convincing writing and good dialogue.

[WhatsHisFace]

Everyone stop ruining the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phaser]

Go to sleep.

[XwolverineX]

Go to hell.


Better yet.

[Horrorfan]

You must either have the hots for Boll, or don't have the slightest idea of what constitutes even remotely convincing writing and good dialogue.

I'll tell you what it isn't: 'in the future, control of the battlefield means that war is eternal' or some junk like that , or whatever the phrase is.

And a nuclear warhead with legs is just plain tacky.

[Phaser]

I'll tell you what it isn't: 'in the future, control of the battlefield means that war is eternal' or some junk like that , or whatever the phrase is.

And a nuclear warhead with legs is just plain tacky.

Yes, the fact that you actually liked trash like Van Helsing speaks volumes about your tastes in film and writing. No wonder you have the hots for Boll. :down:

[WhatsHisFace]

Better yet.
Why don't you wait for your balls to drop?

[Horrorfan]

Yes, the fact that you actually liked trash like Van Helsing speaks volumes about your tastes in film and writing. No wonder you have the hots for Boll. :down:


Yeah because Hideo Kojima's writing is much better.


Have some reality juice sonny jim.

[Phaser]

Yeah because Hideo Kojima's writing is much better.

Have some reality juice sonny jim.

Better than Uwe Boll's at the very least. It's amazing how their childish fanboy hating ways can make some people totally immune to common sense, which is exactly why shouldn't bother commenting on what is or is not good writing, chimpy. Now go watch the piles of cinematic latrine like Alone in the Dark, Bloodrayne and Van Helsing that you seem to enjoy so much.

[Horrorfan]

It's amazing how their childish fanboy hating ways can make some people totally immune to common sense, which is exactly why shouldn't bother commenting on what is or is not good writing, chimpy..


Yes I agree.

I didn't say Boll was good, but he's a damn sight better than Kojima who cons the gullible into thinking he is a genius.

Put it this way....Boll is an actual film maker. In the loosest sense of the word but still. Kojima is a wanna be film maker. That automatically puts him above Kojima. Face it, Kojima would let Boll tea bag him and suck his cock if it got him anywhere near a film set, that's how bad the guy wants to be a film maker.

[Zenien]

You seem to think that you know a great deal about Hideo Kojima.

"Absolutely not. I don't know why Uwe Boll is even talking about this kind of thing. We've never talked to him. It's impossible that we'd ever do a movie with him."

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/03/kojima-on-uwe-boll-its-impossible/

[Phaser]

I didn't say Boll was good, but he's a damn sight better than Kojima who cons the gullible into thinking he is a genius.

Kojima isn't a genius, but compared to the likes of Boll, he damn well is.

Put it this way....Boll is an actual film maker. In the loosest sense of the word but still.

It is because of predictable suckers like you that movie studios are tormenting us with the likes of Catwoman and Van Helsing. And you say it is Kojima who thrives on the gullible? Hah!

Kojima is a wanna be film maker. That automatically puts him above Kojima.

Please, your asinine logic is getting you nowhere here.

"Boll is better because he admits he sucks."

"Boll is better because he is an actual filmmaker" (WTF?!)

Yes, we know you want a cowgirl ride on Boll's love-rod, skippy.

Face it, Kojima would let Boll tea bag him and suck his cock if it got him anywhere near a film set, that's how bad the guy wants to be a film maker.

If nerdy game developers like Kojima have a better grasp of cinematic presentation than your so-called beloved "filmmaker" Boll, one can imagine why everyone keeps saying that Hollywood has gone down the drain.

[Phaser]

You seem to think that you know a great deal about Hideo Kojima.

Well he sure as hell seems to know (and like) a lot about Boll.

[TheCardPlayer]

I still can't see how anyone could compare Kojima with a living turd.

[블라스]

I can't believe this is still going :rolleyes:

[artist71]

This thread is a good example of why people start new threads that are similar. Like posting anything about Gears in this thread will do any good. There are just too many know-it-all's in the Hype.

[Horrorfan]

It is because of predictable suckers like you that movie studios are tormenting us with the likes of Catwoman and Van Helsing. And you say it is Kojima who thrives on the gullible? Hah!


If nerdy game developers like Kojima have a better grasp of cinematic presentation than your so-called beloved "filmmaker" Boll, one can imagine why everyone keeps saying that Hollywood has gone down the drain.


You call me a sucker, yet you go out and buy every little Metal Gear add on pack that has a couple of cut scenes extra. Yeah that shows him that you're not a gullible little MGS whore, great job. Glass houses....throwing stones... and all that.

When did I say I loved Boll? You're being idiotic. You're saying things that have no relevance. Because I said he's better than Kojima, that doesnt mean I love him, so maybe you better get Kojima's cock out of your mouth (version 2.0- super substance- sticky special edition) and get back to reality.

[블라스]

This thread is a good example of why people start new threads that are similar. Like posting anything about Gears in this thread will do any good. There are just too many know-it-all's in the Hype.

How about some new info that'll make people forget about the non-existant feud betweekn Kojima and Boll? :D

[TheCardPlayer]

Am I the only one that thinks that MGS and MGS 3 are among the most emotional games of all times?

MGS TTS and MGS3 both felt like perfect achievements for me. MGS2 was good but the story was ridiculous.

[Horrorfan]

Seriously guys I have no problem if you like Kojima- you're entitled to, just as much as I am entitled to think he is a talentless hack. It's just opinion right?

[블라스]

Guys, I love MGS3, I hate Boll (but I'm kinda looking forward to Dungeon Siege), but this is the freaking Gears of War thread :(

[Zenien]

I didn't find the story so rediculous, what I honestly didn't like about it was how the gameplay and environment design meshed together, but most of all I just found that there were TONS of needless dialogue and conversations to be had in the game. Theplot wasn't nearly as gripping as 1 and 3, but there were some very good ideas in that story that just never took off properly imo.

In you were to removed a good portion of the needless dialogue/codecing in MGS2, I think it would be much improved.

[WhatsHisFace]

But once Phaser starts an argument, nothing can stop him.

[Horrorfan]

Guys, I love MGS3, I hate Boll (but I'm kinda looking forward to Dungeon Siege), but this is the freaking Gears of War thread :(


I cannot ****ing wait for this game. It's going to rock. And Dead Rising even more so. I can't believe how many amazing games 360 has coming (Alone in the Dark, Smackdown vs Raw, Rainbow Six Vegas, Splinter Cell, etc.) To think we have come from pong to this new age of gaming. Brings a tear to my eye...

[TheCardPlayer]

I didn't find the story so rediculous, what I honestly didn't like about it was how the gameplay and environment design meshed together, but most of all I just found that there were TONS of needless dialogue and conversations to be had in the game. Theplot wasn't nearly as gripping as 1 and 3, but there were some very good ideas in that story that just never took off properly imo.

In you were to removed a good portion of the needless dialogue/codecing in MGS2, I think it would be much improved.Wha? The gameplay and enviroment were perfect. Still MGS yet different then Alaska. The pseudo-MGS 1/ conspiracy crap is what killed it. It was gripping for the most part...until after the second Vamp fight...then it went to waste.

[블라스]

I cannot ****ing wait for this game. It's going to rock. And Dead Rising even more so. I can't believe how many amazing games 360 has coming (Alone in the Dark, Smackdown vs Raw, Rainbow Six Vegas, Splinter Cell, etc.) To think we have come from pong to this new age of gaming. Brings a tear to my eye...

Dude, this is why I like you so much :up:

This is indeed going to rock, I mean, you have a freaking chainsaw in your rifle :eek:

[WhatsHisFace]

The best thing about Gears of War is that it pisses Solid Snake off. That guy can't type for his life.

[Horrorfan]

:up: Dude, this is why I like you so much :up:

This is indeed going to rock, I mean, you have a freaking chainsaw in your rifle :eek:

:up: ditto


I saw new gameplay footage of Dead Rising btw on a uk x box mag disc....WOW. I saw him use dumb bells, toy light sabers, plates (ala shaun of the dead with his cd collection), chainsaws, golf clubs (it's hillarious, you swing it like you would hit a golf ball), shotguns, etc. It looks so friggin amazing. It's what sold x box 360 to me in the first place. And I have only enjoyed that decision more and more as it gets more killer games. But you have to see it in motion, beautiful stuff. And a jeep with a mounted gun comes racing towards him, you think its help, but you notice the orange prison jumpsuits, turns out they are escaped convicts who are out for themselves and they try to kill ya...but you can take their asses out with a shotgun and take the car for you and your buddies :up:

I don't think I have ever had such pure, raw enthusiasm for any console ever. Hell that's before Halo 3!!!

[블라스]

Jesus, someone needs to upload that video now :(

[Horrorfan]

Jesus, someone needs to upload that video now :(

I wish I could :( I even saw Mega Man's blaster at some point, and he had on a wrestling costume! This game will be worth the wait (well we have to wait till august / september anyway) but I cannot wait. The shotgun is always my gun of choice, though the m16 is a great addition. And friggin tanks! Haven't seen footage of tanks yet but wow.... and the zombies apparently get smarter at night, and their eyes glows red, which makes traveling around after dark much harder. and dead cops (or undead cops) take pot shots with guns...they have crappy aim though and its more accidental than anything but a cool touch. and in the toy store you can make out the detail on the figures and packaging! I want to use a t rex toy to fend off the zombie hordes :-D

[블라스]

Best game ever?
Probably.

This, Gears of War, Too Human, Chromehounds....aaaargh great times are coming :up:

[Phaser]

You call me a sucker, yet you go out and buy every little Metal Gear add on pack that has a couple of cut scenes extra. Yeah that shows him that you're not a gullible little MGS whore, great job. Glass houses....throwing stones... and all that.


It is because I am a longtime fan of the series (regardless of the one and a half screwed games in the franchise) and a collector, you jackass. I though my posts about pissing on Konami's double dipping had at least made that much explicitly clear. Or perhaps I shouldn't be surprised such incompetence coming from the likes of you since you're pretty much the same kind of radical dumbass as Liquid Snake in this regard, only sitting on the opposite far side of the fence.

When did I say I loved Boll? You're being idiotic.

One obviously has to love Boll profoundly enough to be so suicidal as to actually call that piss-hack a "filmmaker". Normal people don't take such stupid risks. Lovers do.

You're saying things that have no relevance.

Don't talk to me about relevance. You're the one who's pulling crap out his rear end about Boll being more "talented" simply because he "admits he sucks" or because "he is an actual filmmaker" (and I still can't believe my eyes that anyone with even a single brain cell in his cranium would call him that) when those reasons mean jack-**** since they have absolutely nothing to do with "talent".

Because I said he's better than Kojima, that doesnt mean I love him, so maybe you better get Kojima's cock out of your mouth (version 2.0- super substance- sticky special edition) and get back to reality.

I've had just as many mindless fanatical Kojimites jumping on my back for criticising their "god" as the half-wits who accuse me of doing the exact opposite here on this board. But I guess it's very much normal for such simple, obvious facts to escape your feeble fanboyish grasp, as having your head stuck so far up your anal cavity does tend to have a negative impact on your comprehension. Your incompetence is duly pardoned.

[GoldGoblin]

Are those screenshots what the new consoles will look like plus being on a HD-t.v.?

[Horrorfan]

:up: It is because I am a longtime fan of the series (regardless of the one and a half screwed games in the franchise) and a collector, you jackass. I though my posts about pissing on Konami's double dipping had at least made that much explicitly clear. Or perhaps I shouldn't be surprised such incompetence coming from the likes of you since you're pretty much the same kind of radical dumbass as Liquid Snake in this regard, only sitting on the opposite far side of the fence.



One obviously has to love Boll profoundly enough to be so suicidal as to actually call that piss-hack a "filmmaker". Normal people don't take such stupid risks. Lovers do.



Don't talk to me about relevance. You're the one who's pulling crap out his rear end about Boll being more "talented" simply because he "admits he sucks" or because "he is an actual filmmaker" (and I still can't believe my eyes that anyone with even a single brain cell in his cranium would call him that) when those reasons mean jack-**** since they have absolutely nothing to do with "talent".



I've had just as many mindless fanatical Kojimites jumping on my back for criticising their "god" as the half-wits who accuse me of doing the exact opposite here on this board. But I guess it's very much normal for such simple, obvious facts to escape your feeble fanboyish grasp, as having your head stuck so deep up your rear end does tend to have a negative impact on your comprehension. Your incompetence is duly pardoned.


Page 6 called. It wants you back :up:

[Zenien]

http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1751/PE44_kansi_fin_rgb.jpg
http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1751/PE44_30-351.jpg
http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1751/Conservatory_InGame_lite.jpg
http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1751/MarcusDomAdamsHouse_lite.jpg

Couches are bullet proof in the future. Looks sort of downgraded might be the shots, but the older shots gave the impression of much greater environmental detail on individual object than those shots show off.

[chi-boy]

Looking good

[Mentok]

http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1751/PE44_kansi_fin_rgb.jpg
http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1751/PE44_30-351.jpg
http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1751/Conservatory_InGame_lite.jpg
http://www.pelaajalehti.com/web/files/1751/MarcusDomAdamsHouse_lite.jpg

Couches are bullet proof in the future. Looks sort of downgraded might be the shots, but the older shots gave the impression of much greater environmental detail on individual object than those shots show off.

Things are hotlinked in the future :(

[THWIP*]

http://www.360monster.com/media/0000000096/screenshots/0000000096-L-37bdfca.jpg

http://www.360monster.com/media/0000000096/screenshots/0000000096-L-9b8e6db.jpg


I DOUBT THE COUCH IS WHAT CAUSED THE RICOCHET, 'ZENIEN'......LIKELY HIT THE PILLAR BEHIND IT; THEY COULD BE USING EXPLODING ROUNDS. AND, CONSIDERING THEY'RE FIGHTING IN NEAR DARKNESS, ASIDE FROM THE MUZZLE FIRE AND SPARKS, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN EXPECT ALOT OF DETAIL TO BE VISIBLE. :confused:

[Zenien]

No the Couche just blocks incoming fire. Hence Bullet proof, what's so hard to understand of this?

[WhatsHisFace]

Marcus is such a black sounding name.

[THWIP*]

No the Couche just blocks incoming fire. Hence Bullet proof, what's so hard to understand of this?


WELL, MISS KNOW-IT-ALL.........IF THEY ARE USING EXPLODING TIPS, AS I'M GUESSING, THEN THEY WOULD INDEED DO JUST THAT. :o:up:

[WhatsHisFace]

Maybe it's like in "Full Spectrum Warrior" where some cover has limited health and can be ripped to shreds.

Or maybe future couches are made of Kevlar.

[Zenien]

Yes I know that THWIP.................

...

WHF: Well it would make sense to make like everything bullet proof in the post apocalyptic world of this game, no? :o

[WeeZiTe]

Maybe it's like in "Full Spectrum Warrior" where some cover has limited health and can be ripped to shreds.

Or maybe future couches are made of Kevlar.
thats the case. I guess you guys havent read the OXM article on it

[THWIP*]

thats the case. I guess you guys havent read the OXM article on it



REALLY?!........KEVLAR COUCHES?!!!!.......I WANT ONE!!!! :eek:

[WeeZiTe]

http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0426200600ve.jpg
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[Horrorfan]

REALLY?!........KEVLAR COUCHES?!!!!.......I WANT ONE!!!! :eek:

At the moment it's only avalible in south central LA :(

[artist71]

About the couch....this is UE3...so I am guessing it is destructable ;) There is a good chance that spark WAS coming off the couch that day. Im not sure the effects had been set to the correct material yet....but the spark on the couch was replaced with a nice effect:)

[TheCardPlayer]

The couch is destructible. CliffyB said so on GAF. And everyone uses tracers round so fire comes out of anything that's shot.

[artist71]

[QUOTE=Zenien

Couches are bullet proof in the future. Looks sort of downgraded might be the shots, but the older shots gave the impression of much greater environmental detail on individual object than those shots show off.[/QUOTE]

Wait till you see the demo at E3. You won't think that at all.

[THWIP*]

Wait till you see the demo at E3. You won't think that at all.


YES SHE WILL.......SHE'LL BE BLINDED BY THE HEADLIGHTS ON THE FRONT OF THE BIG 'SONY' HYPE TRAIN. SHE'LL THINK SHE'S SEEING THINGS IN 4-D. :O

[artist71]

Sony is gonna have some super nice things there. I just hope Gears can shine through all of that and people leave the show talking about Gears.

[Horrorfan]

I hope sony has saved the good stuff for e3 then cause everything I seen so far has been pretty generic and bland as can be.

[Phaser]

I'm really loving what I read about the context-sensitive functions of the A and Y buttons. :up:

[Zenien]

Wait till you see the demo at E3. You won't think that at all.

"Sony will have some nice things at E3" Are speaking as an 'insider' or looking into your crystal ball? :)

That's good. I wouldn't worry about Gears being lost in the Shuffle too much come E3, Artist. It's defiantely one of the titles everyone is watching, especially the 360 group for obvious reasons. But with all the other amazing things that are going to be shown at E3 (from everyone) I wouldn't be suprised if the spotlight is a little crowded this year. :p

Are you going to E3?

[WhatsHisFace]

He's not going to E3.

And GoW isn't getting lost in anything. It's the frontrunner of UE3.

[artist71]

That would be speaking as an insider. UE3 is being used on PS3 titles as well...so I do hear and see some neat stuff from time to time. But even if I didn't get some of the info that I get everyone knows MGS4 and RE5 are going to be badass. I think RE5 is going to blow some people away. Its the only game that makes me nervous. I mean look out amazing RE4 looked on NIntendo. IMO it was the best looking game of last gen titles. I can't wait to see what those guys to with next gen tech. Its gonna be sick!!!

[WhatsHisFace]

That would be speaking as an insider. UE3 is being used on PS3 titles as well...so I do hear and see some neat stuff from time to time. But even if I didn't get some of the info that I get everyone knows MGS4 and RE5 are going to be badass. I think RE5 is going to blow some people away. Its the only game that makes me nervous. I mean look out amazing RE4 looked on NIntendo. IMO it was the best looking game of last gen titles. I can't wait to see what those guys to with next gen tech. Its gonna be sick!!!
From what I heard, Capcom was at one point considering licensing UE3 for Resident Evil 5. They probably built their own renderer again though. I hope they have visuals on par with the E3 2005 CG.

And what about Halo 3? You should be worried about that too. :up:

Everything else at E3 is powered by UE3, it seems. :(

[artist71]

WHF...your an idiot. LOL

[Mentok]

Stranglehold looks like its using UE3 very well.

[artist71]

It is...its the game I am excited about for PS3. Gonna be sick!

[Horrorfan]

I figured RE5 wouldn't make an apperance for some reason but thats good to know.Stranglehold looks decent but I don't see why everyone thinks its so amazing...it looks kinda like a next gen version of every third person action game ever (TM).Shame Alan Wake won't be showing up though :(

[WhatsHisFace]

WHF...your an idiot. LOL
Come on. Even if you work for Epic, you have to admit, UE3 is taking over the gaming world. Almost every game I'm looking forward to uses it, and they all resemble each other.

[THWIP*]

Come on. Even if you work for Epic, you have to admit, UE3 is taking over the gaming world. Almost every game I'm looking forward to uses it, and they all resemble each other.


THAT'S NOT TRUE. SURE, MOST OF THE BEST LOOKING GAMES ARE USING 'UE3', BUT THEY DON'T ALL LOOK THE SAME. HELL, 'STRANGLEHOLD' LOOKS NOTHING LIKE 'G.O.W.' OR 'MASS EFFECT'. :confused: NOT TO MENTION, 'NAMCO' MANAGED TO MAKE A REALLY UGLY GAME USING IT. :o

I THINK 'UE3' WILL BE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THE NEXT-GEN OFF TO A FASTER START, THAN WHAT WE SAW LAST GEN. WE WON'T HAVE TO WAIT 3-5 YEARS TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH ALL THE NEW HARDWARE. :up:

[WhatsHisFace]

Gears of War, UT2k7, Mass Effect, Too Human, Turok, Huxley and many others all have the definite look of the UE3 engine to them.
It just stands out. Engines all have their little touches that just unify every game built with them. It's always been that way.
It's hard to explain, but you probably know what I mean. And with the ubiquity of the UE3, it's getting very obvious.

I agree, Strangehold and Frame City Killer don't look like UE3 games, but they're not the best looking games either.
Games that use the engine well are all following the same lead.

Now I'm not totally opposed to it. Lost Odyssey is using the UE3, and just look at it.

http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2454/790_0001.jpg

But see, Mystwalker is taking the engine and "making it their own", so to speak.
They're not just using default everything and putting it out there. I'd like to see more games doing this but right now they just aren't.
Maybe in the future they will, but I have my doubts.

Edit: text allignment because of huge picture.

[artist71]

WHF: UE3 games can look like anything you want them to look. The look of the games have to do with the art direction. There is also no "default everything" that you speak of. You are confusing new tools and art tech with an engine. I could spend all day explaining this...but I think you want to win your point instead of understand. Your out of your league on this topic....and I am not trying to be rude.

[THWIP*]

WHF: UE3 games can look like anything you want them to look. The look of the games have to do with the art direction. There is also no "default everything" that you speak of. You are confusing new tools and art tech with an engine. I could spend all day explaining this...but I think you want to win your point instead of understand. Your out of your league on this topic....and I am not trying to be rude.


'WHF' IS ALWAYS OUT OF HIS LEAGUE.......GIRLS TELL HIM THAT ALL THE TIME. :O

[WhatsHisFace]

WHF: UE3 games can look like anything you want them to look. The look of the games have to do with the art direction. There is also no "default everything" that you speak of. You are confusing new tools and art tech with an engine. I could spend all day explaining this...but I think you want to win your point instead of understand. Your out of your league on this topic....and I am not trying to be rude.
I'm not saying they don't, as I put an example proving what you just said in the post you responded to. Take a look at these screens.

http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1167/1116361332.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1325/1128456478.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1276/1146523800.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1267/1141258596.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1122/1145569579.jpg

They don't all have very similar art direction, yet they all look very similar. It's really easy to tell, just by looking at them, that they're all powered by UE3. Now compare it to some other great-looking, non-UE3, next-gen games.


http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1041/1142455946.jpg
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1198/1126713055.jpg

See, it's easy to tell that those games are using different engines, even in games whose themes and art direction may be similar.

I know what I'm saying sounds, to you, rediculous. But that's only because you're not seeing what I'm seeing. Take a look at other games that use the same engine and maybe you'll start to see it.

Look at the games powered by Source. (Half-Life 2, Vampire: TM: B)
Look at the games powered by Lithtech. (F.E.A.R., Condemned)
Look at the games powered by Doom 3 (Doom 3, Quake 4, Prey)

Yeah, you'll begin to see it too, and it has surprisingly little to do with the art direction and much more with the technical look of the game. I'm not saying this as a complaint, just as an acknowledgement. Don't get all angry because it's easy to see if a game's been made with UE3 or not.

[Phaser]

I want to see more and more developer work with the CryEngine 2. Man does it look beautiful.

[artist71]

WHF: calm down before you hurt yourself ;)

Like I said "You are confusing new tools and art tech with an engine."
The UE3 games are using more tools like spec color, larger normal maps, falloffs, and a series of shaders that can be made in UE3. Those are some of the things that make games looks similar...it is not the engine...it’s the tools and art direction. I DO agree that a lot of the new UE3 games do look similar...but its not because of the engine...its because of the tools and art direction....IM really trying to get that point across to you. Once companies start really getting into the tools we will see games look a lot more different. There are currently games being made now that you would never guess are using UE3 because of the art direction. There are also TV shows that use it that you don't even know use it....can you tell what shows?

[Zenien]

So I've heard the real catch to UE3.0 is the toolset more so then just the engine itself.

[Horrorfan]

When it looks as good as UE3 , who cares?

Artist can I see any of your work? I think its cool you got a job you love though :up:

[artist71]

The toolset is VERY easy to use. And you can do things in UE3 that you can't do in other engines. The engine is the power that allows you to do those things. Does that make sence?

[Zenien]

Yes indeed.

[WhatsHisFace]

WHF: calm down before you hurt yourself

Like I said "You are confusing new tools and art tech with an engine."
The UE3 games are using more tools like spec color, larger normal maps, falloffs, and a series of shaders that can be made in UE3. Those are some of the things that make games looks similar...it is not the engine...it’s the tools and art direction.
Okay, as long as you understand what I'm trying to say here. At first I thought you really couldn't see it.

I DO agree that a lot of the new UE3 games do look similar...but its not because of the engine...its because of the tools and art direction....IM really trying to get that point across to you. Once companies start really getting into the tools we will see games look a lot more different. There are currently games being made now that you would never guess are using UE3 because of the art direction. There are also TV shows that use it that you don't even know use it....can you tell what shows?
I don't really get what all these "tools" are, but I'll take your word for it just because you're using the stuff and I'm not.

But to show it to you in other engines...

Source:
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/914642_20041112_screen010.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/914819_20041105_screen002.jpg

Lithtech:
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/074/reviews/926310_20060316_screen003.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/285/reviews/920744_20051013_screen001.jpg

Doom:
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/469881_20040805_screen002.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/290/reviews/531883_20051018_screen011.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2006/036/reviews/928189_20060206_screen003.jpg

Now, since we know that it's the tools making it look the same and not the renderer, could you just explain why? (briefly if necessary) I get curious about these things.

[artist71]

Halflife focused its detail in LARGE texture maps.
Doom focused its detail in LARGE normal maps.
The renderer does make a difference but not that much.

A lot of companies that are using large normal maps can't use many character lights in the level...so you get darker contrast...that also helps show the normal map. Each game chose to either use normal maps or texture maps to show there details. With UE3 you can use large texture maps and large normal and large spec and large bump....etc. Thats why UE3games look similar. The engine is powerful enough to do that.

Does that help?

[Horrorfan]

No one doubts there are similarities, so kinda not getting your point WHF?

And who cares when it looks as good as UE3?

[WhatsHisFace]

Halflife focused its detail in LARGE texture maps.
Doom focused its detail in LARGE normal maps.
The renderer does make a difference but not that much.

A lot of companies that are using large normal maps can't use many character lights in the level...so you get darker contrast...that also helps show the normal map. Each game chose to either use normal maps or texture maps to show there details. With UE3 you can use large texture maps and large normal and large spec and large bump....etc. Thats why UE3games look similar. The engine is powerful enough to do that.

Does that help?
Yes, thank you very much.

[artist71]

Im out! Have a great weekend folks!

[WhatsHisFace]

No one doubts there are similarities, so kinda not getting your point WHF?

And who cares when it looks as good as UE3?
I knew he got my point, not only because he said he did, but because I expressed it very well and provided examples. ;)

I simply asked why afterwards because I care about this kind of thing. I'm not trying to start a pissing contest here. :rolleyes:

[artist71]

WHF: I drink a lot of pop while I am at work...so I can pee a lot...so don't go trying to start a pissing contest...now if we are going for distance then I might loose. I have never been a far pisser.

[WhatsHisFace]

Bill, I just finished like, six drawings and I was wondering if you were interested. Or, if you still hate me for saying "UE3 games share a resemblance", I understand. :o :mad:

[artist71]

I got nuthin but love! I was never even close to being upset about your remarks about UE3...I was just trying to educate you...and that can be a hard topic to educate people on if they have never seen it.

You can send more drawings...but I want to see how the last one I saw you working on turned out. Did you finish it?

[Zenien]

WHF is on probation. :o

[artist71]

Gears gameplay footage for those who have not seen it.

http://www.gamespot.com/live/stream_asx.html?speed=300&path=169_gearsofwar_ot_x360_050906.asx&playall=0&push=0&prestream=&firs

This video is way too dark!

[Horrorfan]

WHF is on probation. :o


What for?

Speaking of which, where are Thwipp and Gammy?

[블라스]

Maybe if I bump this, WHF will come back? :(

[블라스]

Well, it didn't work but the game's still going to kick ass :(

[ToddIsDead]

I knew it was a futile effort.

[블라스]

Yet I still did it, cause I'm a fighter :(

[ToddIsDead]

Never give up, never surrender. :up:

[블라스]

I won't back down :up: :daredevil

[THE LIZARD#1]

Does anyone know what the hell this games story line is? I've been trying to find it and can't find anything on it just that a new race suddenly breaks out randomly from underground and try to take over Earth?

[ToddIsDead]

I believe an alien race destroys almost all of humanity, and the remaining human factions come up from under gound to take back Earth. Something along those lines.

[THE LIZARD#1]

I believe an alien race destroys almost all of humanity, and the remaining human factions come up from under gound to take back Earth. Something along those lines.

Thats kind of cool I guess? I thought it was going to be like this race that lived underground and like mutated and evolved a lot more advanced than we are. Is it an alien invasion? Like war of the world where they were planning this the whole time and stayed dormant under earth?

[THWIP*]

I believe an alien race destroys almost all of humanity, and the remaining human factions come up from under gound to take back Earth. Something along those lines.


LOL.......THAT'S REALLY NOT EVEN CLOSE. :D

[블라스]

Gears of War tells the story of former prisoner of war, Marcus Fenix, on a planet not unlike our own. After many years of war (Pendulum Wars) between humans, the "Coalition of Ordered Governments" is formed, and an uneasy peace is achieved. Unfortunately, man isn't the only intelligent life on Planet Sera; a heretofore unknown species called "The Locust Horde" rises out of the ground. The Locusts assault all major capitals, and the conflict quickly escalates.

[ToddIsDead]

LOL.......THAT'S REALLY NOT EVEN CLOSE. :D
Oh well. I tried. :O

[THE LIZARD#1]

Gears of War tells the story of former prisoner of war, Marcus Fenix, on a planet not unlike our own. After many years of war (Pendulum Wars) between humans, the "Coalition of Ordered Governments" is formed, and an uneasy peace is achieved. Unfortunately, man isn't the only intelligent life on Planet Sera; a heretofore unknown species called "The Locust Horde" rises out of the ground. The Locusts assault all major capitals, and the conflict quickly escalates.
Now that is a pretty tight story, sucks though it doesn't take place on earth but o well, hopefully this game is crazy as hell.

[THWIP*]

Now that is a pretty tight story, sucks though it doesn't take place on earth but o well, hopefully this game is crazy as hell.


IT WILL BE.......IT'S GOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE WITH A BAYONETTE/RIPSAW ON THE FRONT. :marv::up:

http://www.fraggerock.com/images/gaming/gears_of_war/1.jpg

[*Id*]

The E3 presentation was frickin' amazing. The game had grown so much since the last time I saw it at E32005 and X05. The sound effects have a much more powerful punch and the action appeared to be a lot more intense. I saw a HD version of the presentation and as good as the game looked before, the visuals seem to be even better now. :eek:

Originally I wasn't as excited about it because aside from it's drop-dead gorgeous graphics, it appeared to be pretty bland gameplay wise. I didn't see any action that was exciting enough to get my blood pumping. But when I saw Marcus running at that Locust and gutting him in two, I was a believer. This game's really firing on all cylinders now. :up:

This, alongwith Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (tactical shooting action taken to whole new levels, a 10-minute gameplay presentation that is a MUST WATCH!!) were hands down the best console game demonstrations at E3.

[THWIP*]

COOL COMPILATION VID SOMEBODY DID, WITH THE NEW 'TOOL' SONG 'JAMBI'. (http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=3371) FRICKIN' AWESOME. :cool::up:

[Horrorfan]

This game > Just about every Nintendo title ever :up:

[THWIP*]

This game > Just about every Nintendo title ever :up:


DUDE, THAT WASN'T NECESSARY. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IN THIS THREAD, IS A POINTLESS FANBOY DEBATE. :down:O




BESIDES.......YOU'RE JUST WASTING THREAD SPACE, STATING THE OBVIOUS. :p :D

[Horrorfan]

DUDE, THAT WASN'T NECESSARY. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IN THIS THREAD, IS A POINTLESS FANBOY DEBATE. :down:O




BESIDES.......YOU'RE JUST WASTING THREAD SPACE, STATING THE OBVIOUS. :p :D

I know, I just felt I had to say something :D

[Aqua Is Forever]

So I guess Im one of the few that thinks the gameplay is incredibly.......retarded

[Horrorfan]

Yes.

[WhatsHisFace]

So I guess Im one of the few that thinks the gameplay is incredibly.......retarded
I'd say.

The gameplay is as good as the graphics for me. I love the cover-firefights in Ghost Recon 3, but my only complaint of it in that game is that it's too clunky, and the Gears of War videos show it's really smooth and fast.

[Horrorfan]

Plus, I'm betting you haven't even played the game yet, so don't know how you can knock it :confused:

[WhatsHisFace]

People raved about it after seeing and playing it at E3, that's what matters most as of now.

[Horrorfan]

Didn't really mean you WHF....I didn't understand how someone could say the gameplay is retarded when the closest they have come to the game is on a pc monitor.

[WhatsHisFace]

Didn't really mean you WHF....I didn't understand how someone could say the gameplay is retarded when the closest they have come to the game is on a pc monitor.
Oh, I know. I guess it does kind of look like I was directly responding to you there. I guess I should have used the edit button instead of making a new post.

[THWIP*]

So I guess Im one of the few retards that doesn't think the gameplay is incredible.....


FIXED. :)

[블라스]

Artist71, tell your team to hurry up :(

[ToddIsDead]

fixed. :)
Lol.

[블라스]

A little backstory on the heroes...(pictures were taken using in-game engine)

-----------------------

Marcus Fenix

Son of the famed military scientist Adam Fenix, Marcus established a reputation as a brilliant soldier during the Pendulum Wars, earning numerous field promotions and decorations. He was on a fast track to an outstanding military career until the war with the Locust Horde.
When the Horde breached Jacinto Plateau's defenses, Marcus defied orders to save his father, who was under siege at East Barricade Academy. He was too late. Marcus was charged with dereliction of duty and was sentenced to 40 years in Jacinto Maximum Security Penitentiary.

Four years into his sentence, the Horde overtook the penitentiary but Marcus was rescued by his best friend Dominic Santiago, so that he could rejoin the fight against the unstoppable Locust Horde.
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/718/718873/gears-of-war-20060714024932572.jpg

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Dominic Santiago

Dom is a vocal, colorful and yet practical soldier. He's loyal to a fault, especially with his friends, and has no patience for those that think of themselves first.

Dominic has always believed in his country and his leaders, but his faith has been slipping in the face of this endless war. Dom lost his wife in the Emergence Day cataclysm. For him, the fight against the Horde is deeply personal.

By testifying in Marcus' defense, Dom prevented an execution, but was forced to accept the heavy judgment the military tribunal handed down to his childhood friend. Never forgetting, Dom seized his first opportunity to save Marcus' life, and convinced Lieutenant Minh Young Kim to enlist Marcus into his squad.
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/718/718873/gears-of-war-20060714024928287.jpg

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Minh Young Kim

Lieutenant Kim is a proud, dedicated and ambitious soldier, a by-the-books believer in all things COG. To Kim, the Coalition of Organized Governments is humanity's only hope for survival and feels that it is an honor and privilege to serve as a Gear.

Kim moved quickly through the ranks, but after a run of bad luck he was left leading the misfits of Delta Squad. Feeling undervalued and overlooked, Kim has something to prove.

Only the strength of Dom's faith -- and the scarcity of experienced soldiers - convinced Kim to consider bringing former prisoner Fenix into his squad.
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/718/718873/gears-of-war-20060714024929460.jpg

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Augustus Cole

Cole, aka "The Cole Train", is an adrenaline junkie and former professional thrashball player. He craves action, and prefers to take the most direct path to the Locust Horde in any situation. What he lacks in finesse, he makes up for in raw energy.

Along with his child-like enthusiasm and charm, Cole is supremely confident in his own abilities to overcome anything, regardless of the odds—and he hasn't been proven wrong yet.

Cole and Damon Baird have served together for years, and he treats Baird as he would an older brother with a younger brother's license to torment.
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/718/718873/gears-of-war-20060714024931618.jpg

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Damon Baird

Despite being a reluctant and cynical soldier, Baird excels at the military life. Baird is perfectly capable of being a successful officer, but has never been promoted due to his poor attitude, short temper and his unwillingness to take on any responsibility.

Baird's greatest strength is his intelligence. He not only fights the Locust, but he studies and observes them as well. He's the closest the COG have to an expert, and when Baird tells his comrades to be quiet and listen, they know it is in their best interest to do exactly that.

Baird's only motivation is self preservation. He's willing to do whatever it takes to get through the war alive -- even march along side a troublemaker like Fenix.
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/718/718873/gears-of-war-20060714024930523.jpg

[ToddIsDead]

Cool.

[xwolverine2]

ill stick to mass effect

[WhatsHisFace]

The only thing I don't like about this game is Marcus Fenix's "Hitler Beard" or "Soul Patch".

[taskmaster]

I can't wait to play the multiplayer in this game. You can only have up to two people if you're playing the story mode, right?

[WeeZiTe]

Awesome Gams. I love that they're going to add depth to all these characters. It'll add to the story if they help build them up throughout the game. Lately I've been thinking that games have been focusing on just one or two characters and that a war game that personalizes a whole squad of people would be awesome. When somebody fell on the battlefield it'd be a lot more tragic and add more to the story. I can't wait for this game though, I'm REALLY REALLY looking forward to it.

[Horrorfan]

Thanks Gams, awesome.


so which one is gonna die and which one is gonna be the traitor? :p


But seriously does anyone else think it was retarded of the military to put an awesome, effective soldier in the brig? They learned their lesson!

I can't wait for this :up:

I wonder if there will be any vehicular activity?

[WhatsHisFace]

It's the politicians, not the military!

Politicians are the devil.

[XwolverineX]

Halo 2 - COD2 - GeOW!!

[WhatsHisFace]

It's "GoW". Not "GeOW".

[THWIP*]

http://www.madfish.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/gow_head_pop.gif



THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS GAME WILL OWN ALL OTHERS. :dry: