5.09 Lexmas (Spoilers)

[avidreader]

New spoilers at Ksite



New spoilers in yellow posted 9/29/05

- 8/26/05: Title Revealed. Please do not repost these titles on other websites.

- It sounds like episode #9 this season will be a Lex-centered episode. Judging from the title, it'll be Smallville's very first holiday-themed story.

- 9/28/05: One of the roles listed is for a "Santa Claus." Also look for characters named Dr. Litvack, Dr. McCann, Griff, Cindy Lou, Alex, some Gangbangers, and Doctor.

Clark Plays Santa Claus
- Clark uses his super speed and deposits presents under a tiny tree in a house in Metropolis. He repeats this process somewhere else. A little girl named Cindy Lou catches him. "You're not Santa Claus." Clark pulls out a Santa hat and puts it on his head. "Sure, I am. This year's new and improved model," he tells her. But if he's "Santa," then who is the fat, jolly white-haired man across the street, teetering on a rooftop while taking a swig from a bottle?
- Clark talks to the "Santa" to try and find out what he's so down about, and why he wants to jump off the ledge. "Santa" thinks the spirit of Christmas is dead, and that all people do is ***** and complain. He's been reading the message boards during Season Four, we see....

What's Going On At The Smallville Medical Center?
- A doctor orders for someone's glucose to be increased and for that person to be given twelve CC's. Suddenly, in comes Lionel with two air ambulence personnel. "Someone" is Lex.

Clark's Sacrifice
- Clark tells "Santa" what he's been going through himself, and we learn that Clark has "given up his first Christmas with the girl he's loved since he spied on her through his telescope" to instead give out toys. "I wasn't spying," Clark tells him. Clark says he's not the only one helping out with delivering gifts to these children in need. Chloe is helping too.
- Clark's conversation convinces Santa the Christmas spirit isn't gone. "Though it's certainly packaged better these days," he says, looking at Clark. Dude. Did Santa just hit on Clark? They say their goodbyes, but as Santa waves, he accidentally begins to slip off the ledge anyway. Clark's got to save him.


What's Going On At The Smallville Medical Center?
- The doctor orders "more suction" and "exposure" for Lex, who's apparently pretty ill. They're near losing him.

Chloe Meets Santa
- Chloe is exhausted at her computer at the Daily Planet, when she has a visitor - Santa. He tells her about his meeting Clark and offers to help. "I am familiar with the job," he says. He asks her to give him just "five deliveries," but Chloe turns away to do something. When she turns around, Santa is gone - doing the Clark-like disappearing act - and the presents are gone, too.

Post-Surgery
- Lex and Lionel talk after Lex's surgery. The scene is VERY peaceful between the two. Lex has just undergone a "life-threatening operation."




I'm liking the sound of this regardless of the title.

[storyteller]

............................well at least the series is losing the porno angle.

[Carter]

Wow, that sounds lame.
Thank god the season premiere was filled with asskickery

[triplet]

I'm liking the sound of this regardless of the title.

Sounds interesting, I agree but I think the title is just a working one.... They did that last year with onyx too.. it was called Lexes or something like that.

I don't think we heard about it's real title until fairly late in the season, considering that was the first episode after the post february sweeps hiatus.

[avidreader]

Sounds interesting, I agree but I think the title is just a working one.... They did that last year with onyx too.. it was called Lexes or something like that.

I don't think we heard about it's real title until fairly late in the season, considering that was the first episode after the post february sweeps hiatus.

The Title doesnt actually bother me really as they never show it on the actual episode. And I agree its just a working title.

[Serene]

More spoilers.. from an article in Inside TV Magazine... as posted on DTS. (www.devotedtosmallville.com)

LEXMAS Spoilers.... (http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/1/4/3/InsidetvNov7-132005pg1.JPG)

Gotta say.. it sounds WAY cool to me. I love AU stuff.
Very It's a Wonderful Life.

[avidreader]

Lana pregnant is going to be interesting to see. I wonder if we'll see Clark as Superman in his dream, or some indication of it.

[Serene]

Lana pregnant is going to be interesting to see. I wonder if we'll see Clark as Superman in his dream, or some indication of it.

Well it's supposed to be what Lex's life would be if he had chosen the "good" path.. so I would think that he and Clark would still be best friends.

[The Incredible Hulk]

flash forward 7 years? So does this mean we'll get an early xmas present of Clark in the suit? :confused:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5729/14dj.jpg

[AgentPat]

Lana pregnant........Oh my bleepin' GOD!!! I almost had a bleepin' heart attack LMAO!!! I saw those two words and IMMEDIATELY went back to click on the link. Thank GOODNESS it's not what I originally thought. OMG!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

[wipes WAY too much sweat from brow!]

Jeeeze!! ;)

[rumpuso]

Flashing forward 7 years, wouldn't he be with Lois at this point??

That'd be interesting to see the dynamics of Smallville's Lois and Clark as a couple.

[Kane]

Chloe the real hero in Smallville? Oh boy..

[Mike_D]

Well that means if Lionel is still with Lex then we can cross another one off of the "sacrifice deaths" list.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Well that means if Lionel is still with Lex then we can cross another one off of the "sacrifice deaths" list.

Correct me if I am wrong but isnt the future thing a "WHAT IF" Lex never turned bad ?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Chloe the real hero in Smallville? Oh boy..


yeah Allison Mack has an awfully high opinion oh her own character...She must be reading the K-Site boards or something

[Serene]

Flashing forward 7 years, wouldn't he be with Lois at this point??

That'd be interesting to see the dynamics of Smallville's Lois and Clark as a couple.

If we are to believe what they say in the article, it's a "dream sequence" of Lex's. So I'm not sure how Lois would play into that, if at all.

[avidreader]

yeah Allison Mack has an awfully high opinion oh her own character...She must be reading the K-Site boards or something

I cringed at that... but Serene reminded me that it was probably the writer of the article's interpretation.

If we are to believe what they say in the article, it's a "dream sequence" of Lex's. So I'm not sure how Lois would play into that, if at all.

Your right it is Lex's dream, but he still could dream about Clark being his best friend and that he had assumed some sort of hero role.

[avidreader]

Oh my bleepin' GOD!!! I almost had a bleepin' heart attack LMAO!!! I saw those two words and IMMEDIATELY went back to click on the link. Thank GOODNESS it's not what I originally thought. OMG!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

[wipes WAY too much sweat from brow!]

Jeeeze!! ;)

Ha ha, Gotcha!

You okay now. :)

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Chloe the real hero in Smallville? Oh boy..

ROFL I laughed my a$$ off when she read that. If she WAS the real hero then she would NOT have had a death bed set for her since the first Episode since she is the MOST expandable one & with the fact her knowing Clark secret her death would help Clark's character learn some new things that help him to becoming Superman. Funny how Clark's Journey would go even FURTHER to him becoming Superman with HER Character's death. Now I am not saying it'll happen anytime soon but the fact she was Created just for this show & that ANY OTHER Female that found out about Clark's Secret = DEAD now. I rest my case. Only Lois has the pleasure of knowing about Clark & "STAYING" alive & maybe Lana.

[mellyM]

yeah Allison Mack has an awfully high opinion oh her own character...She must be reading the K-Site boards or something
She didn't say that about her character, the interviewer did..and she [or was it a he] said she was the real hero behind Superman in the making, not of Smallville

[OobeDoobBenubi]

She didn't say that about her character, the interviewer did..and she [or was it a he] said she was the real hero behind Superman in the making, not of Smallville

The writer is right & wrong Chloe just HELPS Clarl become Superman like I said
Chloe is the MOST expandable Character on the show & with the fact her knowing Clark secret her death would help Clark's character learn some new things that help him to becoming Superman. Funny how Clark's Journey would go even FURTHER to him becoming Superman with HER Character's death. Now I am not saying it'll happen anytime soon but the fact she was Created just for this show & that ANY OTHER Female that found out about Clark's Secret = DEAD now. I rest my case. Only Lois has the pleasure of knowing about Clark & "STAYING" alive & maybe Lana. Chloe Sullivan & Jonathen Kent = the 2 that WILL DIE by Series End & maybe Lionel to help Lex's Journey.

[AgentPat]

Ha ha, Gotcha!

You okay now. :)Yeah, NOW I am. I had to pick myself up off the floor at first though. I swear, the stuff that flew through my brain in that nanosecond was very, VERY scary. LOL :p

[avidreader]

Yeah, NOW I am. I had to pick myself up off the floor at first though. I swear, the stuff that flew through my brain in that nanosecond was very, VERY scary. LOL :p

Oh, do tell.

[AgentPat]

Oh, do tell.Well, there's the whole idea of CLARK having kids. Human or not.... *shudder*

...and with LANA. :eek: *DOUBLE shudder* LOL

Okay, so we get beyond that. THEN, there's the inevitable BS that usually happens to shows when they're desperate and have to bring a BABY into the story.

GAHHHHHH!!!! The hair on the back of my neck is still standing up LOL.

Seriously though, it's one of my biggest pet peeves with another telling of the mythos (due out in June '06). Lana having a kid? Fine. Lex having a kid? Fine. Chloe having a kid? With Pete? Fine. LOL. But Clark? No freakin' WAY!

And I'm not even gonna talk about Lois. :p

[avidreader]

Well, there's the whole idea of CLARK having kids. Human or not.... *shudder*

...and with LANA. :eek: *DOUBLE shudder* LOL

Okay, so we get beyond that. THEN, there's the inevitable BS that usually happens to shows when they're desperate and have to bring a BABY into the story.

GAHHHHHH!!!! The hair on the back of my neck is still standing up LOL.

Seriously though, it's one of my biggest pet peeves with another telling of the mythos (due out in June '06). Double shudder, couldnt agree more.

Lana having a kid? Fine. Lex having a kid? Fine. Chloe having a kid? With Pete? Fine. LOL. But Clark? No freakin' WAY!

And I'm not even gonna talk about Lois. :p

You poor thing, did you need a drink after going through all that. I do feel pity for you.;) I'll have one for you in any case. :up:

Actually it was a shame that Lois & Clark was cancelled just as they were approaching that subject as it would have been interesting to see there take on it.

[holtz11]

She didn't say that about her character, the interviewer did..and she [or was it a he] said she was the real hero behind Superman in the making, not of Smallville
That's right, she didn't say anything like that, the WRITER did, but i guess i am a Chloe apologist that resides in K-Site since i actually like Allison Mack and Chloe.:eek:
And concerning the fact that since she knows the secret, she is already looking for a coffin, i hope i don't have to remind you the TON of other people (both men and women) that knows Superman is Clark and GASP aren't dead, like a ton of superheros, Lori Lemaris, etc. Maybe Chloe will die by the end of the series, maybe not, no one knows but the producers. I for one hope she won't die, but what do i know.:up:
Concerning Lexmas, i hope i can get past the Lex and Lana love, i never bought Lex falling for Lana, they have absolutely nothing in common, but everything else sounds great.

[mellyM]

The writer is right & wrong Chloe just HELPS Clarl become Superman like I said
Chloe is the MOST expandable Character on the show & with the fact her knowing Clark secret her death would help Clark's character learn some new things that help him to becoming Superman. Funny how Clark's Journey would go even FURTHER to him becoming Superman with HER Character's death. Now I am not saying it'll happen anytime soon but the fact she was Created just for this show & that ANY OTHER Female that found out about Clark's Secret = DEAD now. I rest my case. Only Lois has the pleasure of knowing about Clark & "STAYING" alive & maybe Lana. Chloe Sullivan & Jonathen Kent = the 2 that WILL DIE by Series End & maybe Lionel to help Lex's Journey.
I was just clarifying that Allison didn't say that..thats all. And we dont know who dies yet.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I was just clarifying that Allison didn't say that..thats all. And we dont know who dies yet.

I am NOT saying Chloe dies in the 100th Episode. I am just saying by knowing Clark's secret & the fact she is a Character made just for the show it is almost like 99.9 % certain she WILL be in a Coffin before the Series ends.

[mellyM]

I am NOT saying Chloe dies in the 100th Episode. I am just saying by knowing Clark's secret & the fact she is a Character made just for the show it is almost like 99.9 % certain she WILL be in a Coffin before the Series ends.
I admit, it doesn't look very hopeful...can no one die instead??

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I admit, it doesn't look very hopeful...can no one die instead??

If EVERYONE Clark loved were alive then the first chick he loved that knew his Secret the Tomb Raider chick theyd have gotten married thered be no Lois & Clark in the future & thered be NO Superman at least NOT the one we all know & love :down

[Serene]

Well, there's the whole idea of CLARK having kids. Human or not.... *shudder*

It'll never happen, but I like the idea of Clark being a father one day.

...and with LANA. :eek: *DOUBLE shudder* LOL

Good thing I like you so much. :mad: ;):p

[Mike_D]

Where is everybody getting the idea that this is a dream or a "elseworld future"?? I dont see anything that says that in the episode spoilers.

[AgentPat]

It'll never happen...Hee! My advise? Stay outta theaters next June. LOL

but I like the idea of Clark being a father one day.Oh, well in that case, you can probably preorder tickets a week in advance. :p

But seriously, I think you might enjoy "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" if you haven't already read it. It was the transitionary comic out of Crisis, which pretty much ended the era just before Byrne's reboot. It's a short read, but very well done.

Good thing I like you so much. :mad: ;) :pLOL! Oh, I don't have anything against Lana. I think the writers overindulge her importance, but she's 1/3 of the lead cast of SV, and I accept that. However, in the greater scheme of things, if *Clark* (of ALL people!) were to have a kid, I wouldn't want it to be with anybody else other than Lois. That said, I prefer him not to have any kids at all. Ever. It's part of what makes his story so bittersweet - to love and care for humanity and yet still not be able to share in one of the most fundamental aspects of existence.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

No one likes my manip ? :(

Only took me a little over a Minute to do

[rumpuso]

I love your manip! As a matter of fact, I copied the link and sent it off this morning to a friend of mine who is a big Clois fan. I think it's hysterical what you have done. Great job!

[Serene]

Oh, well in that case, you can probably preorder tickets a week in advance. :p

Eek! Not *that* Clark. Our Clark. :)

Actually, I'm not saying I want to see that on the show. Not at all. I just like the idea of a man as amazing as he is becoming a father. Like the scenes with him and the ill-fated Ryan.. or even in Ageless. I think good fatherhood is sexy.

But seriously, I think you might enjoy "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" if you haven't already read it. It was the transitionary comic out of Crisis, which pretty much ended the era just before Byrne's reboot. It's a short read, but very well done.

I'll check it out. Thanks. :)

That said, I prefer him not to have any kids at all. Ever. It's part of what makes his story so bittersweet - to love and care for humanity and yet still not be able to share in one of the most fundamental aspects of existence.

I can understand that. I think that I'm just not as married to the notion of strict mythology as you are. I don't want them to necessarily change that particular aspect of his story, but I can still enjoy alternative scenarios.. primarily in fanfic, but also in SV to a certain extent. It does deviate from the norm, yes? How much of the deviation fans can accept and how much makes them crazy is a reason we have so many.. discussions..on forums about them.

(wow.. major coffee ramble..) :)

[avidreader]

It's part of what makes his story so bittersweet - to love and care for humanity and yet still not be able to share in one of the most fundamental aspects of existence.

Are you saying that he cant even perform the deed or that he just cant recreate? I would like to think that he could share himself with a woman, as long as she knew all about him. :)

[triplet]

The TV guide On the Set thingy shows them filming a scene from Lexmas...

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=05FJ69CK0RJJ434HWV2G72QK7E

[mellyM]

The TV guide On the Set thingy shows them filming a scene from Lexmas...

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=05FJ69CK0RJJ434HWV2G72QK7E
Thanks!

[GinaRenee]

Triplet, thank you! I'd been wanting to see that.

[triplet]

You're welcome.

:D

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think the only thing about the "dream sequence" that is going to be disappointing is that its from Lex's potential perspective, so I dont think we'll really get a true glimpse into Clark's future 7 years down the line. It may only be what Lex thinks he'll be... Hope I'm wrong though...

[musclesforsupes]

Two Things In Smallville Are A Givin

1. Chloe Is Gonna Die By Series End





































2. She Keeps Getting Fatter

[byung76]

you know that it is just a matter of time before they kill the chloe character.... THERE was supposed to be a "loved one's life" to be sacrificed in order for clark to get his powers back you know.....

[musclesforsupes]

maybe its Pete "the pimp" Ross :D

[triplet]

I think the only thing about the "dream sequence" that is going to be disappointing is that its from Lex's potential perspective, so I dont think we'll really get a true glimpse into Clark's future 7 years down the line. It may only be what Lex thinks he'll be... Hope I'm wrong though...

Actually, the bits they showed weren't very long but what they did show everyone was "too" happy...

I think it's an idyllic take of the future from Lex's POV.

[avidreader]

I wonder if Chloe will be married to Clark.

[Serene]

I wonder if Chloe will be married to Clark.

That's exactly what I thought too. I guess it would make sense from Lex's perspective.

[triplet]

Here's a new upload of that TV Guide clip, since it expired.

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35IYTFKDR7CBW2ALTV8ELESI08

[KalKai]

DTS links:

http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/trailers/SV_TVGuide_1.WMV
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/trailers/SV_TVGuide_2.WMV
http://www.devotedtosmallville.com/trailers/SV_TVGuide_3.WMV

[avidreader]

That's exactly what I thought too. I guess it would make sense from Lex's perspective.

That's what drew me to that conclusion and she was standing right in front. Lois didnt appear to be in the scene anywhere.

[The Incredible Hulk]

considering Lex has only one encounter with Lois in 28 episodes, it's a wonder he even remembers who she is...

[AgentPat]

Are you saying that he cant even perform the deed or that he just cant recreate? I would like to think that he could share himself with a woman, as long as she knew all about him. :)Sorry, I wasn't clear. Clark CAN have sex with a human. I never subscribed to that man of steel woman of kleenex nonsense, or whatever that website is called. Funny stuff, yes, but not "accurate" in my mind. Clark has all the parts necessary for the act. *ahem* But while his anatomical appearance is the same, his biology is radically different. Clark has a triple helix of DNA. He's an alien. While he can have sex and enjoy the moment, he can't actually father a child with a human. Here's a guy that for all intents and purposes, will always have people around him - in point of fact he'll outlive them all - but he'll always be alone in that any family he has will always be one he adopts, not procreates. That's what makes his story bittersweet in my mind.

[avidreader]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Clark CAN have sex with a human. I never subscribed to that man of steel woman of kleenex nonsense, or whatever that website is called. Funny stuff, yes, but not "accurate" in my mind. Clark has all the parts necessary for the act. *ahem* But while his anatomical appearance is the same, his biology is radically different. Clark has a triple helix of DNA. He's an alien. While he can have sex and enjoy the moment, he can't actually father a child with a human. Here's a guy that for all intents and purposes, will always have people around him - in point of fact he'll outlive them all - but he'll always be alone in that any family he has will always be one he adopts, not procreates. That's what makes his story bittersweet in my mind.

Yeah, I'm glad you dont subscribe to that theory. Realistic or not, it just doesnt seem right or fair.

It's sad to think that he cant recreate, but genetics in the future just might find a way.

[Triligors]

LEX IS VISITED BY THE GHOST OF CHRISTMAS FUTURE - Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) is given an envelope with damaging information that will destroy Jonathan's (John Schneider) life and must decide whether he will use it as it will also bring harm to Clark (Tom Welling) and Martha (Annette O'Toole). Before he can decide what to do, Lex is shot and falls into a coma. He dreams that his mother (Alisen Down) visits him and shows him the life he could lead if he walks away from his father (John Glover) and LuthorCorp. In this alternate life, Lex is happily married to Lana (Kristin Kreuk) with a baby on the way. Meanwhile, Chloe (Allison Mack) asks Clark to use his powers to deliver Christmas presents to needy kids. Erica Durance also stars. Holly Harold wrote the episode directed by Rick Rosenthal (#2T6409).

[avidreader]

I wonder what the damaging news is.


He consorted with Lionel Luthor to be part of a bogus adoption. :rolleyes:

[NHawk19]

Wonder what happens when Past and Present visit scroo . . .er Lex

[GinaRenee]

I wonder what the damaging news is.


He consorted with Lionel Luthor to be part of a bogus adoption. :rolleyes:

Yeah, :rolleyes: is right, but the way that's written makes it sound like it just might be that.

[The Incredible Hulk]

C'mon guys, it's not how the adoption happened, but WHAT he adopted that's going to be the real issue.... BTW I wonder if they'll mention what party JK and LL are running for respectively? I doubt it, sicne they probably dont want to alienate any parts of the fan base...

[GinaRenee]

But the thing is, if Lex found out WHAT he adopted, then the whole issue would balloon into something much, much bigger than just who wins a state senate race. I'm not sure they'd be willing to take it that far at this point.

[The Incredible Hulk]

good point, when I read it the first time I had thought it said that he went into the coma before he found out about it. If he knows the secret, it's got to be something unrelated to Clark's secret.But what else would hurt Clark and Martha? :confused: Losing the farm again? Or perhaps Jonathan "strayed" from the nest once or twice LOL :D

[GinaRenee]

I can't see that being it -- I know he's got his faults, but that one wouldn't fit him. He worships the ground Martha walks on. To tie in well with the story and to be something that will "harm" Martha and Clark, I think it has to be something related to Clark's secret. Just not something big enough so that Lex learns everything about the secret. The "adoption" method fits the criteria.

[avidreader]

Well we never actually found out what happened between Jonathan and Nell. Although, I think that's one of those stories they'd rather sweep under the rug. But you never know.

If it is the adoption then it may not necessarily lead to Clark's origins. Clark did say in Splinter that if anything came out they would deal with it as a family.

[NHawk19]

good point, when I read it the first time I had thought it said that he went into the coma before he found out about it. If he knows the secret, it's got to be something unrelated to Clark's secret. But what else would hurt Clark and Martha? :confused: Losing the farm again? Or perhaps Jonathan "strayed" from the nest once or twice LOL :D

Well we know it's not rising auto insurance premiums

[Serene]

Both K-Site (www.kryptonsite.com) and DTS (DTKK) (www.devotedtosmallville.com) have some great pictures posted from Lexmas.

Lana really does look radiant with that basketball under her shirt. ;)
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/6/2/5-09_02.jpg

And I just love this picture of the two girlfriends with their Christmas smiles on.
http://www.devotedtokristinkreuk.com/images/stills/kk-lexmas-11.jpg

[darkzombiemutt]

maybe what is damaging is Clarks one man crime wave? Thats the best I can come up with. Im sure it'll be something they make up specifically for this episode.

[GinaRenee]

Or what if Lex had security cameras in the cave all the way back in s3 and got Jonathan's little conversation with Jor-El on tape? That would freak people out, even if they couldn't tell what was going on. At best they'd probably think he was deranged.

[triplet]

Well we never actually found out what happened between Jonathan and Nell. Although, I think that's one of those stories they'd rather sweep under the rug. But you never know.

The Pilot script said they were high school sweethearts and were the Homecoming King and Queen.... (scene 5, page 4) but I believe that line was later cut so it's probably not canon.

There was another episode later in the first season where Lana's talking to Clark and makes reference to Nell and Jonathan dating and how weird it was that their adoptive parents dated.

I don't remember which episode it was but they were talking on the porch...


If it is the adoption then it may not necessarily lead to Clark's origins. Clark did say in Splinter that if anything came out they would deal with it as a family.

I don't think it will be the adoption, they've already gone over that territory in Lineage unless there is something more that happened with the adoption that wasn't already covered in that episode.

[avidreader]

And I just love this picture of the two girlfriends with their Christmas smiles on.
http://www.devotedtokristinkreuk.com/images/stills/kk-lexmas-11.jpg

I looked at that picture and thought both of them look absolutely beautiful in that shot.


I have a hunch that whatever this is, Martha and Clark dont know anything about it.

[The Caped Knight]

Both K-Site (www.kryptonsite.com) and DTS (DTKK) (www.devotedtosmallville.com) have some great pictures posted from Lexmas.

Lana really does look radiant with that basketball under her shirt. ;)
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/6/2/5-09_02.jpg

And I just love this picture of the two girlfriends with their Christmas smiles on.
http://www.devotedtokristinkreuk.com/images/stills/kk-lexmas-11.jpg


Ok, Lana & Lex married with one child and another on the way. It's too good to be true. BTW, lana for the first time looks happy & Beautiful to me. ( Ok..This is with out question a dream episode.) I'm looking forward to this episode .

[GinaRenee]

A couple more thoughts on the "information": Number one, "bring harm" to Clark and Martha sounds more serious than just something that would upset them. It sounds like something that could actually hurt or endanger them. (Although WB descriptions aren't always strictly accurate.) Number two, Lex knew he didn't have to use those pictures of Jennings earlier because the press would find them and the police already had. All he had to do in that instance was sit back and wait. Now, what kind of information would it be that Lex would HAVE to bring to the press's attention, that they couldn't discover on their own?

[avidreader]

A couple more thoughts on the "information": Number one, "bring harm" to Clark and Martha sounds more serious than just something that would upset them. It sounds like something that could actually hurt or endanger them. (Although WB descriptions aren't always strictly accurate.) Number two, Lex knew he didn't have to use those pictures of Jennings earlier because the press would find them and the police already had. All he had to do in that instance was sit back and wait. Now, what kind of information would it be that Lex would HAVE to bring to the press's attention, that they couldn't discover on their own?

Good point. The plot thickens.

[tonytr1687]

From the WB's description it sounds like this dream is a true depiction of what Lex's life would be like if he had chosen the good path, since his mother is the guide and whatnot. It makes one wonder what Lex will be thinking when he comes out of the coma, will he be influenced to try and be a better person? Especially considering he and Lana are together in the dream, and that is something he very much wants.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Both K-Site (www.kryptonsite.com) and DTS (DTKK) (www.devotedtosmallville.com) have some great pictures posted from Lexmas.

Lana really does look radiant with that basketball under her shirt. ;)
http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/gallery/files/6/2/5-09_02.jpg

And I just love this picture of the two girlfriends with their Christmas smiles on.
http://www.devotedtokristinkreuk.com/images/stills/kk-lexmas-11.jpg


heh I saw those, the Lex/Lana pics look like something out of a commercial for cotton or "Bed, Bath & Beyond"... The christmas pics look a bit weird, hey Jonathan, Malcolm X called, he wants his glasses back :)

[GinaRenee]

:D The scary thing is, I think that may actually be a pair of John's glasses. Don't they look the same as these?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Renee28/Smallville/JSKaris.jpg

About the damaging information -- I think it may be the adoption after all. Hear me out. I thought it all out during choir practice tonight (I like to multitask :) ), and look how it fits together.

-- First of all, as mentioned earlier, bear in mind that the information must be something that's very hard to find, that only a few people know about. Otherwise, as Lex said of Jennings before, all he'd have to do is sit tight and wait for the press to find it.

-- Lionel does his best to urge Jonathan into the race in "Splinter" because he's certain that Jonathan is one person Lex can defeat. That's because Lionel knows about the chink in Jonathan's armor.

-- Once Jonathan's in the race, Lionel gets the information about the adoption/blackmail to Lex. Maybe he makes it look worse than it is -- like an out-and-out kidnapping or something.

-- Lex has his dream and sees how good his future could be if he rejects Lionel. When he wakes up, he takes his first step in that direction -- by deciding to suppress the information Lionel gave him.

-- In "Closer," when the campaign manager wants to look for dirt on Jonathan, Lex says there isn't any to find. That's because he's hidden the only dirt where no one can find it.

I could be wrong -- but it does seem pretty logical, all in all.

[tonytr1687]

:D The scary thing is, I think that may actually be a pair of John's glasses. Don't they look the same as these?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Renee28/Smallville/JSKaris.jpg

About the damaging information -- I think it may be the adoption after all. Hear me out. I thought it all out during choir practice tonight (I like to multitask :) ), and look how it fits together.

-- First of all, as mentioned earlier, bear in mind that the information must be something that's very hard to find, that only a few people know about. Otherwise, as Lex said of Jennings before, all he'd have to do is sit tight and wait for the press to find it.

-- Lionel does his best to urge Jonathan into the race in "Splinter" because he's certain that Jonathan is one person Lex can defeat. That's because Lionel knows about the chink in Jonathan's armor.

-- Once Jonathan's in the race, Lionel gets the information about the adoption/blackmail to Lex. Maybe he makes it look worse than it is -- like an out-and-out kidnapping or something.

-- Lex has his dream and sees how good his future could be if he rejects Lionel. When he wakes up, he takes his first step in that direction -- by deciding to suppress the information Lionel gave him.

-- In "Closer," when the campaign manager wants to look for dirt on Jonathan, Lex says there isn't any to find. That's because he's hidden the only dirt where no one can find it.

I could be wrong -- but it does seem pretty logical, all in all.

Very interesting theory, and hopefully correct. But this begs the question, how will Lex continue down the path of darkness when this dream can do nothing but put him in the good direction? What will happen to push him back towards evil?

[triplet]

I could be wrong -- but it does seem pretty logical, all in all.

I think this is a great theory, it could explain a lot... maybe Lionel isn't the good hearted person he's pretending to be...

Excellent.

:up:

The Magnificant Bastard back to his old tricks... :D

But if Jor-El is still in Lionel then this may not work, however. :(

I miss the MB.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Very interesting theory, and hopefully correct. But this begs the question, how will Lex continue down the path of darkness when this dream can do nothing but put him in the good direction? What will happen to push him back towards evil?

Red K Clark killing Lana ?

Then Red K Clark dances to Thriller :eek:

Evil Clark / Red K Clark killing Lana would just about be THE GREATEST MOMENT IN TV HISTORY EVER

Heck Evil Clark can run Lana over with their Red Truck :up:

[Serene]

:D The scary thing is, I think that may actually be a pair of John's glasses. Don't they look the same as these?
Am I the only one who doesn't think the glasses look that bad? :)



I could be wrong -- but it does seem pretty logical, all in all.

Good theory.. and you could very well be right. It would be nice continuity to see them bring up the adoption stuff again, especially since Lionel was such a big part of it.

[rumpuso]

Excellent post Gina Renee! That would actually fit more perfectly than Lionel helping Jonathan out of the goodness of his heart. Great idea!

[GinaRenee]

Very interesting theory, and hopefully correct. But this begs the question, how will Lex continue down the path of darkness when this dream can do nothing but put him in the good direction? What will happen to push him back towards evil?

Good point. But suppose the desire for that future he foresaw consumes him to the point where he starts stepping on people and generally doing selfish things to get there. Like "it's not coming true fast enough; I have to start doing things to MAKE it happen," and then he starts doing all the wrong things to make it happen, with the result that it doesn't happen at all. That would be a nice little dose of tragic irony.

About Jor-El -- that's a good point too. If JE takes over Lionel only when he really feels the need to, though, it may be that Lionel can do whatever he wants at other times. Kind of like Lana/Isobel.

[avidreader]

Good theories Gina. They fit and make sense.

As to Lex going down the dark path, what if he actually loses the election, Jonathan wins, Lex get's ticked off, and everybody still despises him, then he thinks by being nice I still dont get what I want, journey down the dark path.

A little more in depth than that, but you get the point.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Good theories Gina. They fit and make sense.

As to Lex going down the dark path, what if he actually loses the election, Jonathan wins, Lex get's ticked off, and everybody still despises him, then he thinks by being nice I still dont get what I want, journey down the dark path.

A little more in depth than that, but you get the point.

If that were to happen lets go deeper & say maybe Lex does NOT loose BUT Lex does something to MAKE HIMSELF LOOSE & maybe Clark would know it ?

[darkzombiemutt]

Maybe the point of him not giving the info is so hedoesnt have to be the end all be all of evil on the show, they maybe saving that role for Brainiac. They mentioned in interviews before that the showwould be over when both have accepted thiere destinies, and Lex's is heading there too quickly if the show is supposed to last 7 seasons. So, slow his decent and bring in a new threat, someone worse then he is so he can not look so bad in comparison.
But do you actually thing Jonathan will win the campaign? Politics were never his bag, it was always Lex's, Jonathan is a simple farmer. Maybe Jonathan does actually die sometime during the campaign, leaving Lex running against nobody.
Who knows though, so many different things could happen at this point.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Maybe the point of him not giving the info is so hedoesnt have to be the end all be all of evil on the show, they maybe saving that role for Brainiac. They mentioned in interviews before that the showwould be over when both have accepted thiere destinies, and Lex's is heading there too quickly if the show is supposed to last 7 seasons. So, slow his decent and bring in a new threat, someone worse then he is so he can not look so bad in comparison.
But do you actually thing Jonathan will win the campaign? Politics were never his bag, it was always Lex's, Jonathan is a simple farmer. Maybe Jonathan does actually die sometime during the campaign, leaving Lex running against nobody.
Who knows though, so many different things could happen at this point.

Also consider that I am sure that Jonathan Kent is more widely LIKED in Smallville then Lex Luthor. So it is almost a sure bet most would rather have Jonathan as the Mayor. Then again what do I know most of the Town guys & chicks there are nuts :p

Either way I still think Jonathan has a little more of an edge then Lex ever will

If something like Jonathan dying during the Election were to happen

Everyone would just blame one particular Person for it

[darkzombiemutt]

He does have the edge because he is a hometown guy but he's running for Senate, isnt he? Lex has far more political influence then Jonathan. Lex needs to win, he is supposed to become the president, they even hinted to it in previous episodes. So thats why I think he'll win. The only thing they have hinted for Jonathan's future is death.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

He does have the edge because he is a hometown guy but he's running for Senate, isnt he? Lex has far more political influence then Jonathan. Lex needs to win, he is supposed to become the president, they even hinted to it in previous episodes. So thats why I think he'll win. The only thing they have hinted for Jonathan's future is death.

Just because Lex eventually becomes President doesnt mean Lex has to win a Small Town Election

He already has the Politcal Influence for something THAT big

Lex doesnt really need to run to be a Small Town Mayor

Why Lex is running god knows when he can be running for something much bigger

& its obvious Jonathan will eventually die but it is WAY TO SOON for that to happen

[darkzombiemutt]

Im pretty sure the race isnt for Mayor, I think its for State senate.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

& also consider that if Lex ends up responsible in any way for Jonathans death during the Election. Clark would have to be THE MOST STUPIDEST ASS ON EARTH to still be talking to Lex as Clark will eventually find out & I am sure the fans would hate it if Clark is a Stupid Ass for still wanting to be friends with the guy responsible for killing his own Father :p

[darkzombiemutt]

Im not sure he will die this season, but I just dont see him becoming a Senator. We'll see him as a Senator in Lex's coma induced dream I'm sure, but I dont think it'll actually end up happening. Simply because if Jonathan does win, that means Lex did the right thing and continues down a good path, because deep down he wants a healthy life. But it wont work out that way, even if he does the right thing, he'll still win. Like Lionel warned in splinter, if he wins the power will go to his head. And seeing how we only have 2 full seasons left, now is the time to set up his futureroll. He needs to start his career in politics so by the ending of the show, his path is set. Cuz elections wont happen again for what, 4 more years? and the show would be over by then, and they wont have an opportunity to tackle the issue again.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Im not sure he will die this season, but I just dont see him becoming a Senator. We'll see him as a Senator in Lex's coma induced dream I'm sure, but I dont think it'll actually end up happening. Simply because if Jonathan does win, that means Lex did the right thing and continues down a good path, because deep down he wants a healthy life. But it wont work out that way, even if he does the right thing, he'll still win. Like Lionel warned in splinter, if he wins the power will go to his head. And seeing how we only have 2 full seasons left, now is the time to set up his futureroll. He needs to start his career in politics so by the ending of the show, his path is set. Cuz elections wont happen again for what, 4 more years? and the show would be over by then, and they wont have an opportunity to tackle the issue again.

Not true because obviously by the end of the Series Jonathan dies & they could just pick Lex for his replacement

[avidreader]

Im not sure he will die this season, but I just dont see him becoming a Senator. We'll see him as a Senator in Lex's coma induced dream I'm sure, but I dont think it'll actually end up happening. Simply because if Jonathan does win, that means Lex did the right thing and continues down a good path, because deep down he wants a healthy life. But it wont work out that way, even if he does the right thing, he'll still win. Like Lionel warned in splinter, if he wins the power will go to his head. And seeing how we only have 2 full seasons left, now is the time to set up his futureroll. He needs to start his career in politics so by the ending of the show, his path is set. Cuz elections wont happen again for what, 4 more years? and the show would be over by then, and they wont have an opportunity to tackle the issue again.

That's true and valid points. Although I would like to see Lex lose just to see how he would handle it.

[darkzombiemutt]

I dont think Lex is going to kill him, Jonathan will die of natural causes, because that will teach Clark a more important lesson, even with the powers of a god, he cannot save the people he loves from thier own mortality. A completely different lesson the Alicia dying, she was murdered, he *could* have stopped that if he believed in her. There is nothing he can do to stop Jonathans heart from failing.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I dont think Lex is going to kill him, Jonathan will die of natural causes, because that will teach Clark a more important lesson, even with the powers of a god, he cannot save the people he loves from thier own mortality. A completely different lesson the Alicia dying, she was murdered, he *could* have stopped that if he believed in her. There is nothing he can do to stop Jonathans heart from failing.

Exactly why that should happen like in the Final Episode maybe almost in the Middle of it & then in the end of it we see Clark become


:supes:

[darkzombiemutt]

They have given us 4.5 seasons of clues to what will happen, dont ignore them. Lex will be in office and Jonathan will die.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

They have given us 4.5 seasons of clues to what will happen, dont ignore them. Lex will be in office and Jonathan will die.

& if Clark still wants to be friends with Lex then he isnt the brightest human

Then again he isnt Human so he has an excuse :p

[darkzombiemutt]

I dont think things will be as cut and dry as that, I dont Brainiac is going to be the smokescreen for Lex being naughty. Someone else out there will be doing even worse things then him until the final turn happens. And with Lex as a Senator, he can do some real nasty stuff. Political influence can make big things happen for Lex. Clark my need to confide in Lex plenty more just to stop Brainiac or whomever else. I dont think they'll ever be good chums again, but they may work togeather. Lex doesnt want anyone else running the show but him, so he'll do the right thing and help for his own selfish reasons. Like always.

[triplet]

Im pretty sure the race isnt for Mayor, I think its for State senate.

It is the State Senate, not mayor (like the spoilers said originally).

[Red]

Just when season 5 was doing so well we are going to get this.

[NHawk19]

Heck Evil Clark can run Lana over with their Red Truck :up:

he wrecked that one . . . .again :( have to wait and see the new one.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Just when season 5 was doing so well we are going to get this.


get what? :confused:

[The Squirrel]

he wrecked that one . . . .again :( have to wait and see the new one.

with all the money problems the kents seem to have its a wonder they could keep affording new trucks, after the son wrecks one.

i doubt the insurance company would keep giving them the money that many times.

[Brainiac 8]

with all the money problems the kents seem to have its a wonder they could keep affording new trucks, after the son wrecks one.

i doubt the insurance company would keep giving them the money that many times.

LOL, I have thought this a million times. For a bunch of poor farmer types, the people of Smallville sure can afford some nice rides. Not to mention the best insurance money can buy.(especially the Kents)

I actually look forward to this episode, I will take all the Lex centered episodes they want to throw at me.

[avidreader]

But did Clark really wreck the truck. We never actually found out if he imagined it or if it really happened.

I'm looking forward to this episode as well, a little twist on what could be is always entertaining from my perspective.

[mellyM]

I wonder what they're talking about...it was posted on www.devotedtosmallville.com
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/MELANIEMM/InsideTVbts3.jpg

[avidreader]

When I saw that picture, I wondered the same thing. Is that milk they're drinking or eggnog.

[triplet]

When I saw that picture, I wondered the same thing. Is that milk they're drinking or eggnog.

It looks like egg nog to me, but the Kents probably make it without alcohol which is a shame... ;) :(

I got a great recipe that I love, and I don't usually like egggnog....

[GinaRenee]

It looks like egg nog to me, but the Kents probably make it without alcohol which is a shame... ;) :(


Nah. I'm sure they have better taste than that. And Jonathan's a beer drinker, after all. :)

[avidreader]

It looks like egg nog to me, but the Kents probably make it without alcohol which is a shame... ;) :(

I got a great recipe that I love, and I don't usually like egggnog....

Costco sells a nice drop. I bought a bottle the other day and I'm waiting anxiously to put my christmas tree up so I can crack it open.;) :D



Does anyone think that there could be a little cliffhanger at the end of this episode? If so, what do you think it might be.

[The Incredible Hulk]

hopefully it's a little christmas "gift" for the fans...like say, a glimpse of a certain "fully decorated" superhero in one of those future shots.... :)

[triplet]

hopefully it's a little christmas "gift" for the fans...like say, a glimpse of a certain "fully decorated" superhero in one of those future shots.... :)

:up:

That'd be cool, I won't hold my breath however....

[Kane]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Clark CAN have sex with a human. I never subscribed to that man of steel woman of kleenex nonsense, or whatever that website is called. Funny stuff, yes, but not "accurate" in my mind. Clark has all the parts necessary for the act. *ahem* But while his anatomical appearance is the same, his biology is radically different. Clark has a triple helix of DNA. He's an alien. While he can have sex and enjoy the moment, he can't actually father a child with a human. Here's a guy that for all intents and purposes, will always have people around him - in point of fact he'll outlive them all - but he'll always be alone in that any family he has will always be one he adopts, not procreates. That's what makes his story bittersweet in my mind.

Clark and Lana can have sex. Its no different from a girl using a metal rod down there. It would only become a problem if Clark...completes the act. His 'boys of steel' could prolly kill her.

Supergirl, however, could never have sex with a human. It'd be close to imposible for a human male to even penetrate her.

[triplet]

Here's the bit of the TV Guide special on TV Families that featured Smallville...

Not much Tom in it and what is there looks like it was filmed during the production of Bound last season, but there are a few snippets of stuff from Lexmas, so it's probably appropriate here....

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=16UANJB1RZMDV31APCQCT84R58

[Mike_D]

I wonder of Chloe and Clark will be "together" in lexmas..

[AgentPat]

I wonder if Chloe and Clark will be "together" in lexmas..I'd like that. :O

<- likes Chloe. A LOT!

[mellyM]

I'd like that. :O

<- likes Chloe. A LOT!
I think Allison M. already said unfortunately that Chloe is alone in the future..and its about 7 yrs later..is that too early for the suit, and its mainly from Lex's POV anyway isn't it?

[AgentPat]

I think Allison M. already said unfortunately that Chloe is alone in the future..In the reality of the show, yes. But this is in Lex's head.

and its about 7 yrs later..is that too early for the suit,Based on what? What's too "early" for Smallville? LOL

and its mainly from Lex's POV anyway isn't it?Exactly. From his POV, *he* ends up with Lana in the future. So who would Lex imagine Clark would eventually pair with? Pete? Heee!!!! :p Chloe makes the most sense. Hell, I think even *Clark* might imagine it that way if Lana was removed from the equation in some way. He wouldn't see himself with Lois at this point. That much is certain. :D

[mellyM]

In the reality of the show, yes. But this is in Lex's head
I just meant in the actual episode, She mentioned it in the Inside TV article

[AgentPat]

I just meant in the actual episode, She mentioned it in the Inside TV articleI thought she was talking in general about Chloe's future? :confused:

...'cause they can do whatever they want in a dream sequence. [grin]

Yeah yeah, I know, wishful thinking. :(

[mellyM]

I thought she was talking in general about Chloe's future? :confused:

...'cause they can do whatever they want in a dream sequence. [grin]

Yeah yeah, I know, wishful thinking. :(
hmm...she seemed to be talking specifically about the episode. I think I prefer Clark and Chloe as friends anyway. This season has been the best so far in terms of their interaction.

And since it is Lex's POV and not really the future, I don't see how they could use the suit, since Lex has no idea about any of that. But we'll see, I'm definitely more excited about it than I was before I saw that article and the behind the scenes pics.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Here's Chloe's future :eek:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2493&stc=1&d=1132756958

[Serene]

hmm...she seemed to be talking specifically about the episode. I think I prefer Clark and Chloe as friends anyway. This season has been the best so far in terms of their interaction.

I was never a big Chloe fan, but not because I didn't like her character so much as what they were doing with it (if that makes any sense). I love that her and Clark are best friends now without her always pining away. I guess I like the idea of breaking that stereotype and showing that a guy and a girl can be just great friends without her in a perpetual state of unrequited love/lust. Her character is so much stronger now, IMO.. and I really like her.


It's the same reasoning for why I like that Chloe and Lana can be girlfriends and not rivals. I hate the stereotypes that all women must naturally be rivals when there's a great guy involved.

That said, I think it would be kind of cool to see Chloe and Clark together in Lexmas. It's reasonable that Lex would put them together in his mind. Besides, I just tend to like the shows that mix things up a bit.

[AgentPat]

hmm...she seemed to be talking specifically about the episode. I think I prefer Clark and Chloe as friends anyway. This season has been the best so far in terms of their interaction.Oh, I agree. But I wouldn't mind a little fantasy sequence for living vicariously. C'mon Mel! ;)

And since it is Lex's POV and not really the future, I don't see how they could use the suit, since Lex has no idea about any of that.Agreed. But the whole episode isn't from his POV. I doubt we'll see anything along those lines as well, but ya never know. That shot in Hereafter was COMPLETELY out of the blue (no pun intended.)

Serene, I agree completely. I'm not interested in a pining Chloe or rival friendship between her and Lana. Been there, done that. But it would be a nice touch to see the what-could-have-been fantasy future for her and Clark. Think of it as an elseworlds within an elseworlds. LOL

Hulk, that image isn't showing up?

[The Incredible Hulk]

fixed

[triplet]

So who would Lex imagine Clark would eventually pair with? Pete? Heee!!!! :p

Clete?

EEeeeewwwww..... :eek: :D

Lex might imagine Clark with Chloe, I think, but I guess we'll see.... Would he imagine Clark as some costumed crusader? I don't think so, but in that TV Guide thingy they look like they've kissed and made up anyway... They were downright chummy, actually. Lex imagines that they won't be enemies in the future, if things go better anyway...

[The Incredible Hulk]

Yeah I wasnt talking about Lex seeing Clark like that, just thought maybe at the end or something, Clark nods off and for a few seconds we see his future...

[Kane]

Here's Chloe's future :eek:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2493&stc=1&d=1132756958

LOL. She doesnt deserve a headstone that big...but wow, thats pretty creepy. Why do I have the feeling Chloe will still annoy me, even as a corpse...

[Kane]

Clete?

EEeeeewwwww..... :eek: :D

Lex might imagine Clark with Chloe, I think, but I guess we'll see.... Would he imagine Clark as some costumed crusader? I don't think so, but in that TV Guide thingy they look like they've kissed and made up anyway... They were downright chummy, actually. Lex imagines that they won't be enemies in the future, if things go better anyway...

Why does everyone have to pair up in Lex's vision of the future anyways? Its not that neccessary.

[avidreader]

Yeah I wasnt talking about Lex seeing Clark like that, just thought maybe at the end or something, Clark nods off and for a few seconds we see his future...

That would be cool! :up:

They have to leave us with something to discuss over the winter hiatus.

I'm betting Lana gives Clark a watch for Christmas, Clark and Lana break up in Reckoning and that's why Clark is so desperate to find the watch in Vengeance.

[avidreader]

New trailer.

http://72.36.160.90/forums/showpost.php?p=429470&postcount=2

and ksite have some nice screen caps up as well

http://www.kryptonsite.com/lexmastrailer2-18.htm

[The Incredible Hulk]

woah! Chloe with the extensions... :eek:

[avidreader]

There at the Christmas Tree Shop, so it looks like her and Clark are married or together at least.

I'm gonna love this episode just because its all too cute. :)

[NHawk19]

Lana's got one helluva bun in the oven

[Serene]

Lana's got one helluva bun in the oven

I think that's a whole loaf!

She looks pretty authentically pregnant actually. Minus the puffy hands, feet, and face that is. :)

I can't wait to see this ep. One - it's the first Christmas ep, and Two - I know they're not "mythos-based" eps, but I love these types of shows that take the characters outside their norm.

[shy175223]

it's going to be heartbreaking to see how"Lexana' actually ends in this one at least for Lex.

[Red]

Question, from the screen shots over at k-site it looks like Chloe and Clark are together in Lex's dream, am i right in thinking this?

[shy175223]

well, since it's not the whole scene itself, i rather not jump to conclusions. I rather think that they are still friends since there are no romantic scenes of them actually together.

[Triligors]

The Lex waking up in bed, discovering that he is married to Lana and has a son kinda reminded me of Family Man. And the "what the..." line was very funny.

Wonder why Jonathon was congradulating Lex

[Serene]

The Lex waking up in bed, discovering that he is married to Lana and has a son kinda reminded me of Family Man. And the "what the..." line was very funny.

Oh, it's exactly like "Family Man".. much moreso than "It's a Wonderful Life."

This is going to be a nice opportunity to see MR being non-Lexy. I think he does a wonderful job as agenda-boy Lex, but I'm curious to see how he does as happy, nice guy, Lex.

[tonytr1687]

it's going to be heartbreaking to see how"Lexana' actually ends in this one at least for Lex.

What do you mean? How does Lexana end?

[shy175223]

well, at least in the dream sequence from Lex's point of view if he realizes that isn't real. that for one moment that he could be actually happy.

[Whiteflag]

I just hope we get to see enough Clark in this ep. to keep me happy. :)

[rumpuso]

I just hope we get to see enough Clark in this ep. to keep me happy. :)
That's my major beef with Lex-centered episodes. This one really looks like fun though.

[avidreader]

Question, from the screen shots over at k-site it looks like Chloe and Clark are together in Lex's dream, am i right in thinking this?

I think they're together 'cause it looks like they're shopping for a Christmas Tree together.

DTS has another trailer up. Clark has his red jacket and blue t-shirt on still. :D

http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/thewb/us/content/9ktgD7_SM509-trl_300.asx

Okay, I just saw another trailer on TV, and Lana's telling Lex she loves him. Eeewww!!!

[tonytr1687]

well, at least in the dream sequence from Lex's point of view if he realizes that isn't real. that for one moment that he could be actually happy.

Lex knows it's a dream b/c his mother talks to him in it and says "this is what your life can be like if you make the right choices." It's not so much a dream as a glimpse into a possible future.

[LadyVader]

The Lex waking up in bed, discovering that he is married to Lana and has a son kinda reminded me of Family Man. And the "what the..." line was very funny.




And he was lookng so fine in that white t-shirt. :up:

[AgentPat]

...DTS has another trailer up. Clark has his red jacket and blue t-shirt on still. :D

http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/thewb/us/content/9ktgD7_SM509-trl_300.asxI'm actually getting more psyched up for this episode now. Could be because I've been in withdrawal for a new ep for the last two weeks. Or it *could* be because it looks like they aged everybody up a bit. :D

Jonathan looks like he's late 50's, early 60's. Chloe has long blonde hair (she looks GREAT!) I *think* Clark has a five-o'clock shadow, and while he's still in red and blue, the shirt has a collar. And since this is Lex's perspective of the future, Lex sees Clark and Chloe together while he is with Lana. Yeah, this is gonna be a fun episode, me thinks. :)

[Sverdlovski]

I'm actually getting more psyched up for this episode now. Could be because I've been in withdrawal for a new ep for the last two weeks. Or it *could* be because it looks like they aged everybody up a bit. :D

Jonathan looks like he's late 50's, early 60's. Chloe has long blonde hair (she looks GREAT!) I *think* Clark has a five-o'clock shadow, and while he's still in red and blue, the shirt has a collar. And since this is Lex's perspective of the future, Lex sees Clark and Chloe together while he is with Lana. Yeah, this is gonna be a fun episode, me thinks. :)

Just a little off-topic question: do you guys know if Johnatan Kent will appear in the next season? Is there any truth to the rumours that he'll die in this season finale?

[AgentPat]

Just a little off-topic question: do you guys know if Johnatan Kent will appear in the next season? Is there any truth to the rumours that he'll die in this season finale?Ah, nobody knows. It's been a well-kept secret ... so far. There's been much speculation and debate, however. Also, a 6th season hasn't been formally announced, so while many believe it's close to being a lock, ya never know with The WB - anything could happen. As to who dies, we'll know for sure in February, though it might get leaked sooner.

[Sverdlovski]

Ah, nobody knows. It's been a well-kept secret ... so far. There's been much speculation and debate, however. Also, a 6th season hasn't been formally announced, so while many believe it's close to being a lock, ya never know with The WB - anything could happen. As to who dies, we'll know for sure in February, though it might get leaked sooner.

Oh, ok. thanks!

[NHawk19]

The Lex waking up in bed, discovering that he is married to Lana and has a son kinda reminded me of Family Man. And the "what the..." line was very funny.

Wonder why Jonathon was congradulating Lex

I was kind of hoping that kid would have red hair though. oh well

[Serene]

I was kind of hoping that kid would have red hair though. oh well

I thought the same thing when I first saw that. That would have been a nice touch.

[Brainiac 8]

This looks like it'll be a good episode for MR to flex his acting chops. And yes it does remind me of Family Man, but that's ok, I liked that movie quite a bit.

Any Lex centered episode I'm ok with.:up:

[mellyM]

I thought the same thing when I first saw that. That would have been a nice touch.
Skips a generation doesn't it? unless both parents have red hair...genetics class was long ago, so I may be wrong

[avidreader]

Skips a generation doesn't it? unless both parents have red hair...genetics class was long ago, so I may be wrong

Both of my parents were dark haired and I myself have that reddish blonde coloured hair that I got from both grandparents' sides. So you could be right.

And yes it does remind me of Family Man, but that's ok, I liked that movie quite a bit.


It does doesnt it, especially the scene where he is waking up in bed next to Lana. I loved that movie too.

I'm actually getting more psyched up for this episode now. Could be because I've been in withdrawal for a new ep for the last two weeks. Or it *could* be because it looks like they aged everybody up a bit. :D


Meeza looking forward to it as well. I love episodes where the characters are changed up a bit. It will be great to see Clark looking more like Tom's age.

I've been thinking, with Lex taking the good path in this dream sequence, what if he sees him and Clark as best friends again, with Clark having shared his secret with Lex. Will Lex dream of what he imagines Clark to be. (i.e. some kind of super being)

[Brainiac 8]

That is a very interesting theory, I wonder....Hmmm....I actually think they should do that, have us look into the psyke of Lex a little. I mean, we obviousley know Lex Suspects something.

[AgentPat]

I've been thinking, with Lex taking the good path in this dream sequence, what if he sees him and Clark as best friends again, with Clark having shared his secret with Lex. Will Lex dream of what he imagines Clark to be. (i.e. some kind of super being)Ooooo!!!! How interesting. Is there enough time in the episode to go there though? That would RULE!!!

[triplet]

Ooooo!!!! How interesting. Is there enough time in the episode to go there though? That would RULE!!!

That would be interesting if they did go there... What would Lex imagine Clark to be?

Lex has suspected Clark's got something other worldly about him and maybe has even seen proof depending on how much he remembers from the events in Onyx and what exactly he thought he saw in Aqua....

I wonder if they'll tackle that. It'd be great to find out what Lex thinks about Clark for real.

[avidreader]

I actually think they should do that, have us look into the psyke of Lex a little.

Yeah, I mean we have to see more than him being in love with Lana and having a wonderful family life.

Ooooo!!!! How interesting. Is there enough time in the episode to go there though? That would RULE!!!

That is my only reservation, the time commitment. However, it would be interesting to see them allude to it in some way. We dont have to get any action packed scenes, but some dialogue would be good.

Lex has suspected Clark's got something other worldly about him and maybe has even seen proof depending on how much he remembers from the events in Onyx and what exactly he thought he saw in Aqua....



Exactly.

[AgentPat]

Oh man. I'm gonna be disappointed now if they *don't* broach it. How can Lex project himself and his friends into the future w/o extrapolation? That's the whole point, right?

This ep has the *potential* to be VERY cool - and mythos based too, which is amazing considering the "Wonderful Life" backstory.

[Serene]

Oh man. I'm gonna be disappointed now if they *don't* broach it. How can Lex project himself and his friends into the future w/o extrapolation? That's the whole point, right?

I think there will be *tons* of extrapolations for us to discuss after this ep airs. I'm really excited to see where they are going to take it.

I also can't wait to see Clark in the Santa suit talking to the little girl. How cute is that going to be?

[GinaRenee]

I've been thinking that it's odd Clark isn't wearing glasses. Most descriptions have made it sound like Lex is seeing what WILL happen if he changes, not what he'd like to see happen, so the glasses should be there.

But maybe most descriptions are wrong in this case.

[avidreader]

I've been thinking that it's odd Clark isn't wearing glasses. Most descriptions have made it sound like Lex is seeing what WILL happen if he changes, not what he'd like to see happen, so the glasses should be there.

But maybe most descriptions are wrong in this case.

I dont think its a glimpse into the future but what Lex imagines his future would be if he chose good. So there is no reason for him to think that Clark would need to wear glasses.

[Serene]

Just wondering.. What about Lois? Didn't I see ED listed as being in this ep somewhere? Trip, didn't we talk about this?

Would be sooo much more convenient if I had an actual memory. :rolleyes:

[avidreader]

Just wondering.. What about Lois? Didn't I see ED listed as being in this ep somewhere? Trip, didn't we talk about this?

Would be sooo much more convenient if I had an actual memory. :rolleyes:

You're so cute. I think she's listed in most episodes now, even if she doesnt appear. Must be part of her contract.

The interesting appearance I thought was Terrance Stamp. Now I'm sure I read that somewhere. :rolleyes:

[tonytr1687]

I dont think its a glimpse into the future but what Lex imagines his future would be if he chose good. So there is no reason for him to think that Clark would need to wear glasses.

Then why is his mother talking to him in the dream and saying "This is what your life can be like if you make the right choices?" I think it's a literal peek into an alternate future, perhaps if Lex had stayed good and was still friends with Clark, Clark wouldn't have gone on to become Supes? Interesting....

[triplet]

Just wondering.. What about Lois? Didn't I see ED listed as being in this ep somewhere? Trip, didn't we talk about this?

You know, I think we did but I don't remember exactly what we said... But she is always in the "also starring" list now so I think she's listed but it's entirely possible she won't be in the episode.

She's not really on Lex's radar much so why would he think Clark would end up with her? I think her relative absence from spoilers and the promo might indicate that Lexmas is indeed guesswork on a possible future from Lex's perspective and not a real glimpse into the future.

Would be sooo much more convenient if I had an actual memory. :rolleyes:

I can relate.

[Serene]

She's not really on Lex's radar much so why would he think Clark would end up with her?

Oh, I didn't think Lex would have Lois with Clark, I think he has Chloe with Clark. I was just curious, if Lois is in the ep, what he would have her doing.

Considering their last encounter, he'd probably have her scrubbing floors at the Talon ;)

[triplet]

Oh, I didn't think Lex would have Lois with Clark, I think he has Chloe with Clark. I was just curious, if Lois is in the ep, what he would have her doing.

Oh, I know.... I was just saying what I thought we talked about. Sorry, I wasn't clear....

But I don't think Lois is in the episode. I guess we'll see.

Considering their last encounter, he'd probably have her scrubbing floors at the Talon ;)

LOL! :D

Yeah, probably....

[The Squirrel]

When does this episode air?

[avidreader]

Then why is his mother talking to him in the dream and saying "This is what your life can be like if you make the right choices?" I think it's a literal peek into an alternate future, I just rewatched the trailer and the words Lilian says does kind of make you think that she is giving him a look at an alternate reality. However, I still think its a dream in Lex's mind that is brought on by his comatosed state.

perhaps if Lex had stayed good and was still friends with Clark, Clark wouldn't have gone on to become Supes? Interesting....

Do you think if Lex didnt go bad that Clark still wouldnt choose to become Superman?

When does this episode air?


This Thursday at 8.00

[tonytr1687]

I just rewatched the trailer and the words Lilian says does kind of make you think that she is giving him a look at an alternate reality. However, I still think its a dream in Lex's mind that is brought on by his comatosed state.



Do you think if Lex didnt go bad that Clark still wouldnt choose to become Superman?



This Thursday at 8.00

I don't mean Lex not going bad would directly lead to Clark not becoming Superman, I'm just saying it's possible that if Lex stayed good certain events caused by that might have led to Clark having a different life. You never know, everything is a chain reaction.

[avidreader]

WTF... New Trailer. http://television.aol.com/editors_picks/thursday_tv

[Serene]

WTF... New Trailer. http://television.aol.com/editors_picks/thursday_tv

That is just too damn cute. It makes me feel even sorrier for Lex though.

[triplet]

Thanks, avid! That's great.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Looks like Lex had a C-Section LOL :D What kind of crazy effed up dream is this? :)

[tonytr1687]

This clip makes me believe even more that this dream of his is a true alternate future and not just his biased, wishful view of it. He wakes up and immediately looks for the bullet wound? Just like Family Man: he wakes up to find himself in a completely different world, but with the same memories and thoughts as his real self.

[TheGoonies]

That is just too damn cute. It makes me feel even sorrier for Lex though.

Exactly what the WB wants you to feel

I think anyway

I am MIXED about this Episode

It can be either really good or really bad

[AgentPat]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I LOVE the "What the fuh.." line. Perfect!

[notalurkerany+]

I can't wait for this episode! :D

[AgentPat]

I can't wait for this episode! :DNotalurker, are you a Lex fan? Just curious. :)

[triplet]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I LOVE the "What the fuh.." line. Perfect!

LOL! Yeah, it was perfect...

I think this episode will be tons of fun!

[AgentPat]

LOL! Yeah, it was perfect...

I think this episode will be tons of fun!Initially, I had my concerns about this ep based on the spoilers, but I've definitely warmed up to it. It looks like it will be pretty good - and that's saying a lot for me since there doesn't look like there will be that many Clark scenes, and y'all know how I generally feel about that LOL.

<- LOVED Onyx and Memoria, so she's keeping her fingers crossed.

[triplet]

Initially, I had my concerns about this ep based on the spoilers, but I've definitely warmed up to it. It looks like it will be pretty good - and that's saying a lot for me since there doesn't look like there will be that many Clark scenes, and y'all know how I generally feel about that LOL.

You and me both, babe... You're preaching to the choir. :D

<- LOVED Onyx and Memoria, so she's keeping her fingers crossed.

Yep, me too...

I was lurking over on DTS and found a link there to a new Ask Ausiello (http://www.tvguide.com/news/askausiello/) column where he spilled an interesting tidbit:

Question: Any scoop on Smallville? — Jimmy

Ausiello: Tomorrow night's holiday-themed episode takes a page from A Christmas Carol and shows Lex what his future could be like should he decide to take the good, honorable path. (Translation: No cheating on AA "contests.") This alternate reality is set seven years into the future with Lex happily married (with children) to Lana and free from daddy's iron grip. (Clark is with Chloe, although it's not clear whether they're married or living in sin.) I don't want to give away the whole enchilada, but TV Guide's resident Smallville junkie Rich Sands wanted me to tell AA readers "not to miss the last five minutes" as it "represents a major turning point for Lex." That Rich Sands is sounding more like a network promo exec every frakkin' day.

[LadyVader]

"major turning point"!? What does that mean? I'd rather have him finally decide to be evil then to see him try again to do some good and to have it completely blow up in his face. :(

[AgentPat]

I was lurking over on DTS and found a link there to a new Ask Ausiello (http://www.tvguide.com/news/askausiello/) column where he spilled an interesting tidbit:

...(Clark is with Chloe, although it's not clear whether they're married or living in sin.)... Huzzah!!! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wahoo.gif




Whoops! Sorry for that outburst, Hulk. :O

[Pat scurries off before getting lynched LOL]

[Brainiac 8]

Initially, I had my concerns about this ep based on the spoilers, but I've definitely warmed up to it. It looks like it will be pretty good - and that's saying a lot for me since there doesn't look like there will be that many Clark scenes, and y'all know how I generally feel about that LOL.

<- LOVED Onyx and Memoria, so she's keeping her fingers crossed.

I agree with you about Clark being the main focus, but I tell you I very much enjoy me any Lex-centric episodes they throw our way. Next to Rosetta, Memoria was in my top five favorite episodes. I have a good feeling about this one, and I'm sure it'll make me feel sorry for our Mr. Luthor.

What this show did right for me is that it made me really want Lex to go good instead of bad. I want them to stay friends, but if they did, Superman wouldn't have one of the "Greatest criminal masterminds of our time" to contend with.:) :up:

Can't wait!!!!:D

[LadyVader]

I think it's more of a combination between the writing and Michael Rosenbaum. He brought a sort of emotional depth to the character which I honestly don't think would've worked with anyone else. Michael has the morally ambigous tortured soul routine down pat... no pun intended AgenPat. :D

[avidreader]

Even though this episode is Lexcentric, all the other characters are there, which is good. I think they've missed on that with previous Lexcentric episodes.

Chloe and Clark living in sin. That just cracks me up.

I think this episode is going to jingle bell rock. :)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Huzzah!!! http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/wahoo.gif




Whoops! Sorry for that outburst, Hulk. :O

[Pat scurries off before getting lynched LOL]

LOL well I guess this is officially the "things that have no chance in hell of happening" episode ;) Plus I think it's nice the producers are giving Chloe one last feel good moment before her character meets her untimely demise ;)

[AgentPat]

LOL well I guess this is officially the "things that have no chance in hell of happening" episode ;) Plus I think it's nice the producers are giving Chloe one last feel good moment before her character meets her untimely demise ;)LOL!!! :up: ;)

[Brainiac 8]

LOL well I guess this is officially the "things that have no chance in hell of happening" episode ;) Plus I think it's nice the producers are giving Chloe one last feel good moment before her character meets her untimely demise ;)

Hulk, you comment makes me sad.:(

Funny comment though.:up:

[triplet]

LOL well I guess this is officially the "things that have no chance in hell of happening" episode ;) Plus I think it's nice the producers are giving Chloe one last feel good moment before her character meets her untimely demise ;)

*snort*

:D

Too funny....

[avidreader]

LOL well I guess this is officially the "things that have no chance in hell of happening" episode ;) Plus I think it's nice the producers are giving Chloe one last feel good moment before her character meets her untimely demise ;)

Not to mention all those Chlarkers out there. :D

[Serene]

LOL well I guess this is officially the "things that have no chance in hell of happening" episode ;)
I think it will be interesting to see if they are living together or married, because implications could be read into the just-living-together scenario.. depending. I guess we haven't really determined if these events are all Lex's imaginary visions of the future based on his desires, or if they are a true alternate option of the future being revealed to him by his mother. But we never knew that with A Christmas Carol either, did we. :) This really is a very clever concept.

Plus I think it's nice the producers are giving Chloe one last feel good moment before her character meets her untimely demise ;)
I don't know if you meant that just as a joke.. but you may be right. :eek:

[avidreader]

These triple posts are becoming a habit

[avidreader]

edit, sorry folks.

[avidreader]

If this is played as an alternative future then that would mean that Jonathan and Chloe are not the one's to meet their demise.

However, since we know that Lex doesn choose the good path, does this then indicate that if either Chloe or Jonathan do die in epi 100 that they die at the hands of Lex.

I found this MR interview, I've edited most of it to just give us some spoilers for Lexmas.



Michael has an interview with Scripps Howard News Service. The most interesting thing is that Lex is going to get worse after this episode.

By DAVE MASON
Scripps Howard News Service
07-DEC-05

Rosenbaum said he stretches further in Thursday's episode (8 p.m. EST/PST on The WB.)

Luthor actually gets to be happy.

"When I first read page 1 of the script and the title, 'Lexmas,'" I almost vomited," Rosenbaum said. "I didn't want to be the first Christmas story. I didn't want to be some bald guy in a Santa suit."

But Rosenbaum kept reading and discovered the story was really a twisted version of the Frank Capra classic "It's A Wonderful Life." "I kept reading and I couldn't put it down," he said.

He laughed. "I don't know if Frank Capra would have filmed this one."

Rosenbaum, outgoing on the phone despite late nights of filming, said viewers can expect Luthor to get worse after this week.

"A lot of times you don't see why a villain becomes a villain," Rosenbaum said. "And we've never seen what Lex would be like if he was good and if everything he dreamed of came true."


(Contact Dave Mason of the Ventura County Star in California at www.venturacountystar.com (http://www.venturacountystar.com/).)


I found this as being quoted from the interview as well, but I'm not sure that I can substantiate it as you have to register to read the entire interview.

But the vision has a cruel twist that convinces Luthor to embrace the dark path he has approached during the five seasons of "Smallville." The story is clearly the catalyst for Luthor becoming the enemy of his best friend and future Superman, Clark Kent (Tom Welling).

[triplet]

Damn hype... keeps doing this to me. Sorry about the triple post.

[triplet]

Ah.. here's the whole story, registration is free:

Rosenbaum's career boosted by Luthor role
By Dave Mason dmason@VenturaCountyStar.com
December 6, 2005

Playing Lex Luthor has boosted Michael Rosenbaum's career.

But it hasn't always been good for his dating.

"I've walked out on some dates because they expected me to be Lex Luthor," the star said in a phone interview from Vancouver, British Columbia, where "Smallville" is filmed. "They meet me and say, 'You're nothing like your character.' I say, 'That's good, right?' They say, 'I like your character.'

"I'm not as cool as Lex," Rosenbaum said.

He said he didn't have to try, though, to convince a Vancouver police officer he was up to no good. An officer in a music store was certain Rosenbaum, who resembled a suspect in a photo, was a thief. The store manager finally convinced him that Rosenbaum was simply "the bald guy on 'Smallville.'"

Rosenbaum explained he tries to be believable as that bald guy. "I don't want to make it cartoony. I've always wanted to make it real. I'll say, 'We need another take. I don't believe what I'm saying (in the scene).' "

Rosenbaum said he stretches further in Thursday's (Dec. 8) episode, airing at 8 p.m. on The WB.

Luthor actually gets to be happy.

"When I first read page 1 of the script and the title, 'Lexmas,'" I almost vomited," Rosenbaum said. "I didn't want to be the first Christmas story. I didn't want to be some bald guy in a Santa suit."

But Rosenbaum kept reading and discovered the story was really a twisted version of the Frank Capra classic "It's A Wonderful Life." "I kept reading and I couldn't put it down," he said.

He laughed. "I don't know if Frank Capra would have filmed this one."

In this week's story, Rosenbaum's Luthor is shot, and while unconscious in the hospital, he has a vision of a happy life, complete with a wife and children. It can be his if he chooses to become a hero instead of the villain he is destined to be.

But the vision has a cruel twist that convinces Luthor to embrace the dark path he has approached during the five seasons of "Smallville." The story is clearly the catalyst for Luthor becoming the enemy of his best friend and future Superman, Clark Kent (Tom Welling).

Rosenbaum, who sounded outgoing on the phone despite late nights of filming that puts his character in an upcoming car chase, said viewers can expect Luthor to get worse after this week.

"A lot of times you don't see why a villain becomes a villain," Rosenbaum said. "And we've never seen what Lex would be like if he was good and if everything he dreamed of came true."

Rosenbaum, who has kept Luthor consistently cold, said it was fun to actually get to play a laughing, happy Lex. "I got to show everyone that this isn't all that I can do.

"I think Lex (in this episode) is a bit more mature than I am at times. This is the family and life he can have, and once he accepts it, there's more of me in him than you've ever seen in Lex," Rosenbaum said.

Rosenbaum said that his agent had to talk him into playing Luthor when "Smallville" started.

"I'm sure fans don't want to hear that I was never a huge comic book fan," said Rosenbaum, an Oceanside, N.Y. native who grew up in Newburgh, Indiana. "I love the 'Superman' movies. I love Gene Hackman (who played Lex Luthor), and I adore Christopher Reeve. But I didn't want to do this part. I had no idea how good it could be."

Rosenbaum feared "Smallville" would lack quality, but the pilot script convinced him to take the role.

Clearly the series has had its shades of grays. Luthor, who has been slowly evolving into a villain, has done some good, even noble deeds. And Clark hasn't been honest with Lex, Rosenbaum said.

"He's not such a super guy; he's got his secrets, and Lex has his," Rosenbaum said.

When he isn't playing Luthor, Rosenbaum is the voice of another DC Comics character, The Flash, on the Cartoon Network series "Justice League Unlimited." And he's a hero of sorts in real life as he, other actors and National Hockey League players team up to play hockey in fundraisers for the Ronald McDonald House.

Being on "Smallville" has had its perks for Rosenbaum. He said that when he visited fellow "Smallville" star John Schneider's house in Agoura Hills, he got to see the General Lee. Schneider, who plays Jonathan Kent and played Bo Duke in "The Dukes of Hazzard," keeps the car from one of the "Dukes of Hazzards" TV reunion movies in his garage.

Rosenbaum said he has had concerns about being typecast as Lex Luthor after "Smallville" ends. "But a friend told me, 'You're the only one (in the cast) who can grow his hair back and look completely different.' "

Sometimes it pays to be the bald guy.

[triplet]

ooops

[avidreader]

^^^ I know registration is free, I just get bored with doing it every time I want to read an article. :D

Quote:
But the vision has a cruel twist that convinces Luthor to embrace the dark path he has approached during the five seasons of "Smallville." The story is clearly the catalyst for Luthor becoming the enemy of his best friend and future Superman, Clark Kent (Tom Welling).

This is going to make the episode very interesting. We will get to see some mythology, I think.

[notalurkerany+]

Notalurker, are you a Lex fan? Just curious. :)

No, I'm not a Lex fan, I'm a Clark fan but I like both. I always loved their chemistry. I've always wondered how that chemistry would play out if they ever make a Superman movie with the Smallville characters.
I'm looking forward to this episode because it looks great, even if there are some who don't like the lexana. :)

[Serene]

Clearly the series has had its shades of grays. Luthor, who has been slowly evolving into a villain, has done some good, even noble deeds. And Clark hasn't been honest with Lex, Rosenbaum said.
"He's not such a super guy; he's got his secrets, and Lex has his," Rosenbaum said.

This is exactly what elevates the show above and beyond what it could have been.. a live cartoon. It's the shades of gray that give these characters depth without taking away from who is supposed to be the hero and who is supposed to be the villain.

Nice interview. I can't wait to see what it is that's going to happen in the final minutes to cause the "turning point" for Lex. Hey! Maybe it's Clark's baby. LOL.. ;)

[avidreader]

Nice interview. I can't wait to see what it is that's going to happen in the final minutes to cause the "turning point" for Lex. Hey! Maybe it's Clark's baby. LOL.. ;)

Well of course you could probably guess that that's what they are predicting over at Clanasite. ;)

In the trailer, we see Lex say to Clark "I've never been happier" and Clark just gives him one of his "what the hell are you talking about looks". I think that this is where we'll see that wedge in the friendship.

[MaskedManJRK]

I wonder what they're talking about...it was posted on www.devotedtosmallville.com (http://www.devotedtosmallville.com)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/MELANIEMM/InsideTVbts3.jpg

Here's an idea:

CLARK: Uh...I'm sorry, that's never happened to me before...

CHLOE: What, the 8 seconds of sex or the 40 minutes of crying afterwards?

CLARK: Uh...both, I guess. So, do I...do I give you money or something?

;) :D

[MaskedManJRK]

So who would Lex imagine Clark would eventually pair with? Pete? Heee!!!! :p

I'm sure there's some demented yoai writer who's writing a story like that as we speak.

I've seen some strange s**t like that in my internet career. There's strangely a lot of writers who makes stories of Batman Begins with Bruce and Crane getting eye-balls-deep in the man-love. :eek:

The moral of this story? There's some sick bastards in this world. :o

[avidreader]

You know I just thought of something, this cant be a glimpse of the future otherwise Clark would be with Lois.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm sure there's some demented yoai writer who's writing a story like that as we speak.

I've seen some strange s**t like that in my internet career. There's strangely a lot of writers who makes stories of Batman Begins with Bruce and Crane getting eye-balls-deep in the man-love. :eek:

The moral of this story? There's some sick bastards in this world. :o

thanks for the mental image :up: now excuse me while I take a power drill to my temple :eek: :(

[MaskedManJRK]

You know I just thought of something, this cant be a glimpse of the future otherwise Clark would be with Lois.

It's possible we could get a small hint of it. Maybe the two bantering at the Planet? I'm sure one or the other will at least hint at them being there.

[Serene]

You know I just thought of something, this cant be a glimpse of the future otherwise Clark would be with Lois.
Unless he's just not with her *yet*.

[MaskedManJRK]

thanks for the mental image :up: now excuse me while I take a power drill to my temple :eek: :(

No need to do that. Just drench your eyes with holy water, it worked for me. :)

[Spider-Gamer]

You know I just thought of something, this cant be a glimpse of the future otherwise Clark would be with Lois.
Maybe (and this is a big maybe) since Lex is good in this "future" Clark is with Chloe, but maybe the future where Lex is evil (which is bassicly the true future) Clark is with Lois because maybe Lex kills or has somebody kill Chloe before the end of the series. You never know! :eek:

[TheGoonies]

I can almost bet Lex's Son will call Clark


"Uncle Clark"

[Red]

Didn't I say Clark would be with Chloe in Lex's dream

[Triligors]

Can't wait to see what makes Lex evil nearing the end of the episode. Something will go horribly wrong. Will it be in Lex's dream though? I think it's possible that Lex falls in love with this alternative life then he wakes up into the real world after being saved by an ambulance and see Clark and Lana looking down towards him. The life that he can never have. Fade to Black.

What do you guys think Rosenbaum meant by that "drastic turn to evil" scene? Also, I find it funny that Rosenbaum also almost puked upon first hearing the title of the episode. That was funny, but then as more information came out on it it's starting look more and more like a very good episode with a great holiday twist.

[mellyM]

Maybe (and this is a big maybe) since Lex is good in this "future" Clark is with Chloe, but maybe the future where Lex is evil (which is bassicly the true future) Clark is with Lois because maybe Lex kills or has somebody kill Chloe before the end of the series. You never know! :eek:
It can't be the real future because Lex is in a coma dreaming all of this.

[TheGoonies]

I am NOT expecting ANY drastic change for Lex this Early. They have said this type of thing will happen for how many Episodes when alot focused on Lex ? Whatever happens at the end of Lexmas I promise you in a week or 2 we will be BACK at Squre One.

[KalKai]

This early? we're in Season 5 how is it early? lol, and MR himself said it.

[TheGoonies]

Well if they plan on going 6 to 7 Seasons obviously they are better off leaving things alone instead of just ticking the fans off by going one way for an Episode to have Lex back to Normal 2 Episodes later. I am getting real tired of this & if they do make him completely evil now what will they have to work with in Season 6 / 7 ? More Clana ? Heck no

[KalKai]

Lex it not completely evil yet, and we don't know if there'll be a 6th or 7th season. The interview said this vision will convince him to embrace the dark path, it's not early at all, it's about time, there's plenty of other things to work with in Season 6/7 if we'll have em.

[avidreader]

Maybe (and this is a big maybe) since Lex is good in this "future" Clark is with Chloe, but maybe the future where Lex is evil (which is bassicly the true future) Clark is with Lois because maybe Lex kills or has somebody kill Chloe before the end of the series. You never know! :eek:

I thought of that afterwards. :up:

Well if they plan on going 6 to 7 Seasons obviously they are better off leaving things alone instead of just ticking the fans off by going one way for an Episode to have Lex back to Normal 2 Episodes later. I am getting real tired of this & if they do make him completely evil now what will they have to work with in Season 6 / 7 ? More Clana ? Heck no

What I read from that interview was that this is the episode where we will see Lex and Clark finally become enemies. It doesnt necessarily mean that Lex will be all out evil.

[triplet]

Can't wait to see what makes Lex evil nearing the end of the episode. Something will go horribly wrong. Will it be in Lex's dream though? I think it's possible that Lex falls in love with this alternative life then he wakes up into the real world after being saved by an ambulance and see Clark and Lana looking down towards him. The life that he can never have. Fade to Black.

What do you guys think Rosenbaum meant by that "drastic turn to evil" scene? Also, I find it funny that Rosenbaum also almost puked upon first hearing the title of the episode. That was funny, but then as more information came out on it it's starting look more and more like a very good episode with a great holiday twist.

I think his turn to evil will have something to do with this information he gets that could destroy Jonathan. Maybe he uses it to win the campaign, thus turning Clark against him forever....

I am dying to find out what the heck this information is and if indeed he does decide to use it against Jonathan, despite the pain and hurt it will cause Clark and Martha.

[TheGoonies]

I think his turn to evil will have something to do with this information he gets that could destroy Jonathan. Maybe he uses it to win the campaign, thus turning Clark against him forever....

I am dying to find out what the heck this information is and if indeed he does decide to use it against Jonathan, despite the pain and hurt it will cause Clark and Martha.


The ONLY thing that could destroy Jonathan so bad is if Lex finds out about his Father setting up Clarks adoption. That OR he has a dark past no one knows about but I don't see that happening. So it is almost a sure bet Lex can find out about Clark's Adoption & what Lionel did.

If the town found out that the Ken't did NOT really adopt Clark that will be LOADS OF TROUBLE for them & that is DEFINITELY SOMETHING that will get Clark mad enough with Lex

[GinaRenee]

I think his turn to evil will have something to do with this information he gets that could destroy Jonathan. Maybe he uses it to win the campaign, thus turning Clark against him forever....


That's the strange thing. Because Jonathan is still in the race in the next two episodes, and in "Lockdown" Lex tells his campaign manager that J. is squeaky clean. Unless ALL the spoilers they're releasing are fake now!

[TheGoonies]

That's the strange thing. Because Jonathan is still in the race in the next two episodes, and in "Lockdown" Lex tells his campaign manager that J. is squeaky clean. Unless ALL the spoilers they're releasing are fake now!

Like I said Lex can find out about the Adoption with Clark & how Lionel set it up. I can NOT see Jonathan having a "Dark" Past

[avidreader]

In Lineage was it, he said that he convinced the Ross's to sell the Cream Corn Factory, maybe, although I hope not, its something along those lines.

Personally, I would rather see it have something to do with the adoption.

[TheGoonies]

In Lineage was it, he said that he convinced the Ross's to sell the Cream Corn Factory, maybe, although I hope not, its something along those lines.

Personally, I would rather see it have something to do with the adoption.


That was the deal Lionel made. He said convince the Ross's to sell or he would have made public the fake Adoption papers. It would certainly stir things up if Lex found out made all evidence about it public. If that can NOT get Clark & Lex mortal enemies then nothing will.

[The Caped Knight]

I'm looking forward to Lexmas, I read somewhere on the web, that something Big is going to happen in this Episode that will change the course of the series forever. I can't wait to see what it is. Not to mention I love that preview clip of Lexana. I can't believe I'm saying this, But for the first time (in smallville)I actually liked Lana lang . she seem so nice & sweet and beautiful with Lex and thier son Alex along with her baby .

But the vision has a cruel twist that convinces Luthor to embrace the dark path he has approached during the five seasons of "Smallville." The story is clearly the catalyst for Luthor becoming the enemy of his best friend and future Superman, Clark Kent (Tom Welling).

I can't wait to see what this is . After this episode Lex begins his Journey towards "The Dark Side" . Man I'm a hyped up for this episode. I hope the reason for his turn is not over a woman. (I don't want Lex to join The Dark Side , because of a woman, I want it to be a very good deep reason , Why Lex choose to live a live of evil, when he had a change to live a live of Good .)

[avidreader]

I can't believe I'm saying this, But for the first time (in smallville)I actually liked Lana lang . she seem so nice & sweet and beautiful with Lex and thier son Alex along with her baby .

I cant believe you said that either. ;) :p :D

[LadyVader]

I can't wait to see what this is . After this episode Lex begins his Journey towards "The Dark Side" . Man I'm a hyped up for this episode. I hope the reason for his turn is not over a woman. (I don't want Lex to join The Dark Side , because of a woman, I want it to be a very good deep reason , Why Lex choose to live a live of evil, when he had a change to live a live of Good .)


I think it's going to be something along the lines of Lana cheats on him with Clark. And it's not going to necessarily be over a woman. Lex has a tendency of looking for love in all the wrong places. He will finally realize that nobody loves him, no matter how much he tries, and just say to hell with it.
Hey, isn't this supposed to be a holiday episode!? :) I'm depressing the hell out of me over here. :(

[The Incredible Hulk]

I keep hearing talk about people expecting Lex to "turn Evil" and it just doesnt sit right with me.

There isnt going to be some life changing event that happens to Lex, and all of a sudden one day he's laughing maniacally, twisting his moustache, and tieing Lois to railroad tracks. This isnt pre-crisis Lex, or Lex from the Superfriends either, where he's going to be committing crimes just for the sake of committing crimes. It's going to be an accumulation of things over time that contort his sense of what's right and wrong on things.

Lex will, for the most part, be a man with a very skewed perspective on reality, due to a huge ego and suspect upbringing, who does things he believes to be in the best interests of those involved but namely himself. Most of the time he'll employ means that are less than honorable trying to achieve them. I think Smallvillle gave us some big time clues to that effect in episodes like "Talisman" and "Onyx". However he wont be as "obvious" as the bad Lex in Onyx was, he was more like the Joker the way he acted without the cool, calm Lex to keep him in check.

[mellyM]

I keep hearing talk about people expecting Lex to "turn Evil" and it just doesnt sit right with me.

There isnt going to be some life changing event that happens to Lex, and all of a sudden one day he's laughing maniacally, twisting his moustache, and tieing Lois to railroad tracks. This isnt pre-crisis Lex, or Lex from the Superfriends either, where he's going to be committing crimes just for the sake of committing crimes. It's going to be an accumulation of things over time that contort his sense of what's right and wrong on things.

Lex will, for the most part, be a man with a very skewed perspective on reality, due to a huge ego and suspect upbringing, who does things he believes to be in the best interests of those involved but namely himself. Most of the time he'll employ means that are less than honorable trying to achieve them. I think Smallvillle gave us some big time clues to that effect in episodes like "Talisman" and "Onyx". However he wont be as "obvious" as the bad Lex in Onyx was, he was more like the Joker the way he acted without the cool, calm Lex to keep him in check.
Thats probably the best take on Lex I've seen a in awhile. There isnt going to be some light switch..he's not Anakin..its definitely a subtle but clear (at least to me) journey, and it's made his character more layered and far more interesting than even Gene Hackman's Luthor

[avidreader]

I keep hearing talk about people expecting Lex to "turn Evil" and it just doesnt sit right with me.

There isnt going to be some life changing event that happens to Lex, and all of a sudden one day he's laughing maniacally, twisting his moustache, and tieing Lois to railroad tracks.

I think its a turning point for his and Clark's relationship.

Something happens in the dream that makes him view their relationship in a different light.

Remember in the legend that Sageeth turned on Naman one day, as did the two comic book dudes (cant remember their names, Warrior Angel was one of them).

I think that this is what is going to happen in this episode.

By the way I like your interpretation of Lex's character as well. :up:

[tonytr1687]

Lex's final turn should never ever be a lightswitch kinda thing. That's actually why I was glad they backtracked after his Onyx-like portrayal in Aqua b/c it just didn't seem realistic how quickly he had changed. In the past few episodes we've seen that Lex is still sorta in the middle, and hopefully this episode won't be so much a drastic change as it is one more step into the dark side. Isn't it ironic that this dream is going to have a completely opposite effect on him? I never expected it. I actually thought this would lead him back toward the good side only for it to blow up in his face or something...but I guess not.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I agree with Hulk but I do believe there will be a "last straw" event that will be the final nail in the coffin, the one that will make him want to forget he ever lived in SV, that he knows Clark or anybody from the town etc.
Maybe it will be killing Lionel, maybe it will be something else. Maybe it will be that he can't stand CLark's betrayal (since he himself said it was his friendship that kept his dark side in check) once he finds out who he really is. Or just like in some comics where there's a fire in LexCorp and Superman tried to save him or something and there is where he vows to never return to SV...

[Serene]

I agree with Hulk but I do believe there will be a "last straw" event that will be the final nail in the coffin, the one that will make him want to forget he ever lived in SV, that he knows Clark or anybody from the town etc.
Maybe it will be killing Lionel, maybe it will be something else. Maybe it will be that he can't stand CLark's betrayal (since he himself said it was his friendship that kept his dark side in check) once he finds out who he really is.

I agree with this. Lex has been sliding into his bad self from day one, but I do think they'll have at least one, maybe more, events that really seal the deal for us as viewers. I've often wondered if they will have him kill Lionel, just as Lionel killed his parents... A fine Luthor family tradition.

[avidreader]

Man, am I hanging out for this episode or what?

Is it 8.00 there yet folks?

[The Incredible Hulk]

34 minutes and counting.... I was off from work today so it's felt about 20 trimes longer than a normal Smallville Thursday :)

[avidreader]

34 minutes and counting.... I was off from work today so it's felt about 20 trimes longer than a normal Smallville Thursday :)

:O Hope you're not sick.

I'm not sure whether to stay in here tonight or leave. I usually just zip through and take a quick glance, but I dunno. Guess I'll find out soon. :D

[Serene]

Man, am I hanging out for this episode or what?

Is it 8.00 there yet folks?

12 minutes and counting. :)

I was panicking just a bit ago. I took my daughter to dance school and was racing to get back in time. We're having a snowstorm and of course, I get behind some southern transferee who's never driven in snow before apparently. :D
20mph, when SV is about to start is just NOT acceptable. :mad: ;)

[avidreader]

12 minutes and counting. :)

I was panicking just a bit ago. I took my daughter to dance school and was racing to get back in time. We're having a snowstorm and of course, I get behind some southern transferee who's never driven in snow before apparently. :D
20mph, when SV is about to start is just NOT acceptable. :mad: ;)

That'd be me. :D

I'm still here and I guess you've got 3 minutes to go. Not much happening here tonight, so I'll probably be still lurking.

[avidreader]

What, no commercial break yet?

[Carter]

Why the hell cant I have dreams where I wake up next to Kreuk?

[TheGoonies]

Drats missed half the Episode totally forgot

Oh well I will catch it by "cough" "cough" other means" "cough" "cough"

[Carter]

Bit torrent cough cough

[The Squirrel]

drunk, suicidal santa?

i don't think so.

[Mike_D]

Hehe this eppy is pretty entertaining so far. That was a cool save by clark.

[AmazinUncleBen]

The people of Metropolis need to learn to lock their doors.