OFFICIAL TNA Impact/Wrestling Thread

[TheVileOne]

aj styles?

Once again complete package. AJ doesn't have the promo ability that Daniels does. He gets along fine, Daniels is just better. Daniels is also somewhat more seasoned and experienced in the ring.

[Twitch]

I'm very happy that they have AJ and Chris because there both young and great in the ring. Daniels has everything and so does AJ except for his accent. Plus they were the "sons of TNA". they helped get TNA noticed. And they hate WWE :o:up:

[TheVileOne]

Daniels is actually quite older than AJ. AJ's like 27/28, Daniels is about 33/34. Though I'd say Daniels is in the prime of his career at the moment.

[Twitch]

Daniels is actually quite older than AJ. AJ's like 27/28, Daniels is about 33/34. Though I'd say Daniels is in the prime of his career at the moment.

Really :confused:
Daniels looks very young to me :confused:

[Sabretooth]

Daniels is actually quite older than AJ. AJ's like 27/28, Daniels is about 33/34. Though I'd say Daniels is in the prime of his career at the moment.
Damn.He looks alot younger.:eek:

[Keyser Soze]

DANIELS: What's my secret? Oil of Olay. And bathing in the blood of virgins...

[ny_gambit]

Do u guys think that Rhino wearing the TNA championship is a good idea?

My intital reaction was, "Why him?" I think Rhino is very lucky that Kevin Nash had to pull out last minute.

[NDX]

I believe Christopher Daniels is a 18 or 19 year vetern in wrestling, so I think he's closer the 35 or 36.

I have a match on tape he had on Nitro back in 2000/1 against I believe Lex Lovett where Tenay mentioned Daniels was a 14 year vertern.

[TheVileOne]

Mike Tenay has mentioned his age and his time in wrestling on TNA before. Last time he said his age, he said he was 33 years. And he's been a wrestler for 12.

[NDX]

Ahh, thanks for that bit of info TVO.

Does anyone have any of the Best of dvds by TNA? Do they have backstories on the stars like with WWE dvds?

[TheVileOne]

Ahh, thanks for that bit of info TVO.

Does anyone have any of the Best of dvds by TNA? Do they have backstories on the stars like with WWE dvds?

I own the AJ Styles DVD. The thing is, WWE practically owns all of the mainstream wrestling footage. So TNA can't show stuff of Raven, Sabu, etc from ECW, WCW and such. No AJ from WCW either.

AJ does have interviews on the DVD and does talk about his backstory and history in wrestling.

[NDX]

Suggest any dvd other than AJ Styles? I'm looking on picking up one or two come December. My Nov. dvd fund is already set for the Jake Roberts and Bret Hart dvds.

[3dman27]

is aj styles related to wrestling anouncer joey styles? or are the surnames a coincedence

[Keyser Soze]

I believe Christopher Daniels is a 18 or 19 year vetern in wrestling, so I think he's closer the 35 or 36.

I have a match on tape he had on Nitro back in 2000/1 against I believe Lex Lovett where Tenay mentioned Daniels was a 14 year vertern.

He started wrestling in 1993. He trained to be an actor, but always being a wrestling fan, began training as a wrestler while looking for work. Well, we all know which career path he followed...

[Twitch]

Suggest any dvd other than AJ Styles? I'm looking on picking up one or two come December. My Nov. dvd fund is already set for the Jake Roberts and Bret Hart dvds.

I suggest waiting for Fallen Angel DVD.

[Keyser Soze]

Do u guys think that Rhino wearing the TNA championship is a good idea?

My intital reaction was, "Why him?" I think Rhino is very lucky that Kevin Nash had to pull out last minute.

No, I think that WE are very lucky Kevin Nash pulled out. "Bound For Glory" was TNA's first PPV since debuting on Spike TV. They had to make a strong impression, and another God-awful main event featuring Kevin Nash was not going to go down well.

Unlike Nash, Rhino is genuinely talented. After years of being buried in WWE you may have forgotten this, but when handled well, Rhino has main-event potential. He's good in the ring, okay on the mic, and has a good look too. While better as a heel than as a face, Rhino could easily be a main guy in TNA.

[cabel]

I believe Christopher Daniels is a 18 or 19 year vetern in wrestling, so I think he's closer the 35 or 36.

I have a match on tape he had on Nitro back in 2000/1 against I believe Lex Lovett where Tenay mentioned Daniels was a 14 year vertern.

It was against Mike Modest. Then Scott Steiner came out and beat them up.

[TheVileOne]

Suggest any dvd other than AJ Styles? I'm looking on picking up one or two come December. My Nov. dvd fund is already set for the Jake Roberts and Bret Hart dvds.

Yes. The Best Of The X Division volume 1 is already out in stores.

Final Resolution, IMHO one of TNA's best PPV's of the year comes out later this month I believe. Also Against All Odds.

Daniels DVD comes out in January as does No Surrender, THE best TNA PPV of the year.

is aj styles related to wrestling anouncer joey styles? or are the surnames a coincedence

No. AJ Styles is just his in-ring name/gimmick. His real name is Allen Jones and he's from Gainesville, GA. I imagine Joey Styles is from the northeastern area. They are of no relation.

Like myself, Daniels was a theatre major/actor in college. I think it just adds to how charismatic and talented he is in his performance and mic skills in general.

Also as for Rhino winning the world title. Its irrelevant whether he won it or not. He lost it 2 nights later and is no longer world champion.

[Eklypze]

who did rhino lose it to i missed that?

[Eklypze]

man i cant wait for tomorrows ultimate x match thing ive never actually seen one so im really looking forward to this

[NDX]

Like myself, Daniels was a theatre major/actor in college. I think it just adds to how charismatic and talented he is in his performance and mic skills in general.

I think more wrestlers should follow his lead and do the same. Some wrestlers are just flat in the charisma department and could really use the professional help.

And yeah, I was already planning on picking up the X Division Vol. 1 and Daniels dvds (Daniels is an absolute must, no doubt), just wanted to know how people felt about the others.

[Hunter Rider]

The PWTorch Newsletter reports that friends of Christian are saying he feels that WWE management ignored him because they couldn't take credit for his popularity. It's said that he got himself over with fans, rather than moping around and expecting Vince or the writers to make him a star.

It's unknown whether he will take time off, or immediately work with TNA. If he does go to TNA, he will likely be getting paid somewhere in the $2,000/week range, if not higher. He would only have to work four events every month, and since he lives in the same state that TNA films their shows, he wouldn't have to endure a travel schedule like WWE's. This would be a huge cut from WWE's 12-15 events per month.

When Matt Hardy was first offered a TNA deal, they had not yet secured their Spike TV slot. However now that the company is steady on Spike, combined with the comparatively low workload to WWE, there's definitely some that are very confident Christian will be joining the company.

[TheVileOne]

I think more wrestlers should follow his lead and do the same. Some wrestlers are just flat in the charisma department and could really use the professional help.

Well Daniels had aspirations of being an actor, but that didn't really work out and he decided to follow his other passion which was pro-wrestling.


And yeah, I was already planning on picking up the X Division Vol. 1 and Daniels dvds (Daniels is an absolute must, no doubt), just wanted to know how people felt about the others.

Pretty much everything TNA puts out on DVD is great. The only DVD's for TNA are the Jeff Hardy DVD and the Destination X DVD.

[3dman27]

No. AJ Styles is just his in-ring name/gimmick. His real name is Allen Jones and he's from Gainesville, GA. I imagine Joey Styles is from the northeastern area. They are of no relation.


so THAT'S where the initals "aj" come from thanks thevileone :spidey: :thing:

[TheVileOne]

No problem.

The prime time 2 hour special finally happens today. So I really hope TNA hits this one out of the park. This is a very crucial show I think.

I mean, some of us already know what happened, both the good and the bad. So there is that going against it.

[punishermax]

Two hour special in seven hours.....woohooo......I'm such a loser.

[Twitch]

I'm taping it, If its really good. I migt need a new tape for my tapings :o

[TheVileOne]

Maybe we are losers punishermax...but we are losers that like good professional wrestling :) .

[Hunter Rider]

I want to be a loser:(

[Hunter Rider]

From TNAWrestling.com:

TNA ANNOUNCES SIGNING OF NEWEST "TNA KNOCKOUT" JACKIE GAYDA

TNA Wrestling is proud to announce the signing of Jackie Gayda, becoming the latest "Knockout" to join Total Nonstop Action.

With Gail Kim and Traci already commanding the spotlight for Total Nonstop Action, it will be interesting to see if the addition of Gayda will lead to the sharpening of claws among TNA's current femme fatales in the near future.

Gayda joins TNA after four years of in-ring competition and is a former winner of the "Tough Enough" series. In addition to her stunning beauty and athletic prowess, Gayda was also a track and field star and an All-Ohio athlete.

"It's a very exciting time for me to join TNA Wrestling," Gayda told TNAwrestling.com. "I'm proud to be the newest ?TNA Knockout' and given the opportunity to prove myself again, but let me say this ? this time things are going to be a little different. There's a certain situation going on that I plan to address, one that affects me on so many levels, but I'll leave it at that for now. To all my fans ? see you soon on SpikeTV!"

Check back to TNAwrestling.com in the upcoming weeks for an update on Jackie Gayda's debut for TNA Wrestling!

[Sabretooth]

No problem.

The prime time 2 hour special finally happens today. So I really hope TNA hits this one out of the park. This is a very crucial show I think.

I mean, some of us already know what happened, both the good and the bad. So there is that going against it.
What time does it start

[NDX]

I just taped every match of the event. The 6 man tag match was just spectacular. I couldn't take my eyes off of it. I think I'll watch it again in a bit. Just spectaculat.

[TheVileOne]

FYI, TNA is getting TWO more prime time specials next month.

One on 12/8 and one on 12/31.

[punishermax]

Fantastic, thats all I can say about the show tonight. Jarrett won the belt again, but meh, me complaining isn't going to do any good, so I'll just look at the positives and say I love TNA.

[NDX]

The only issue I have with TNA right now is not having Raven wrestle. I know it's a makeshift storyline because Nash is out for good, but I would like to see Raven at least wrestle someone. Hell, I'll take him ripping apart Cassedy Reily in a parkinglot at this point.

Meh, hopefully TNA gets a good story written for him soon.

[TheVileOne]

I agree NDX. To me its pathetic that they don't have anything for Raven right now. He should be feuding with Monty Brown and Jeff Jarrett. Instead they have Jeff Hardy against Brown at Genesis. Lame.

[3dman27]

i read that tna has signed former wwe diva jackie gayda
source www.lordsofpain.net
now if only they'd hire nora greenwald the ex molly holly

[Savage]

NNNICE! :eek::D

[NDX]

Instead they have Jeff Hardy against Brown at Genesis. Lame.

Wow, that match is rather pointless. TNA not having a title match at the PPV still bothers me. I like the Tag Match, but that is something Raw would put on to close the show, not a PPV. It seems pointless.

Dudleys should be facing AMW for the titles and Rhino should have a rematch with Jarrett for the gold. Even if Rhino loses having a title match just feels right.

Now, I'm not a Jeff Hardy fan. Haven't been so since 2002. But some of the matches he has had recently has been entertaining. But a match with Monty Brown out of nowhere just doesn't need to happen. I fee that their booking is still not what it could be.

Petey Williams and AJ Styles feuding will be something I look forward to, as well as Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe (the latter program particularly).

I hope that, if Daniels goes over Joe in the program, Christopher Daniels actually becomes a main eventer and challenges the champion (whomever it may be) for the NWA Title. I think, even though he is a great X Division star, he could also be one of the heavyweight title contenders.

[Hunter Rider]

According to sources, Christian is all but confirmed to sign with TNA. In real life, he is good friends with both Rhino and TNA booking committee member Scott D'Amore and a deal is said to be all but signed. The travel schedule with TNA also appeals to him as he wants to get into movies and actually already has a big role lined up for him in February.

[TheVileOne]

That's great if they could get Christian. I'm appalled what they've done with Christian.

This is why WWE UN-creative blows. They fired a bunch of people and constantly blame the workers for NOT WORKING HARD ENOUGH TO GET OVER! Here's Christian a guy that got over with NO HELP AT ALL from creative, and then they basically kill him for becoming over with the fans. They pulled his merchandise from a show in his hometown! WTF?!

Now...there are rumors that Benoit's contract will be finished at the end of the year. If any of that is true...would Benoit retire...or go somewhere else?

[Sabretooth]

I hope somewhere else.Benoit is one of my favorite wrestlers,and dammit to hell,I wanna see Benoit vs. Samoa Joe,or Benoit vs. Daniels,or Benoit vs. Styles!:mad:

[cabel]

I wanna see Christian vs. Styles

oh yeah, apparently the special drew 0.9. that could be considered so-so for primetime.

[TheVileOne]

They've only been on Spike TV a month. Its lower than expected, but understandable.

[3dman27]

i read that tna has signed former wwe diva jackie gayda
source www.lordsofpain.net
now if only they'd hire nora greenwald the ex molly holly
i've since learned that jackie will be working with raven in an angle where she'll be "controlling his mind" qoute and unquote trying to control RAVEN'S mind ?
now that's what i call living dangerously :thing: :spidey:

[TheVileOne]

That sounds really weird, not sure what to think about it. It actually sounds kind of silly and ridiculous based on THAT description.

However, you know, I know guys that have fallen prey to the proverbial succubus. So if they make it not silly and campy, it could work. Raven himself is the master of mind games, so are the tables being turned on him?

[3dman27]

i would think so

[NDX]

"Controlling his mind" doesn't sound right. But I think the idea of someone playing mindgames with Raven would make an interesting story to watch, especially a woman, if, as TheVileOne says, it's not silly and campy. When Raven was in the then World Wrestling Federation, I wanted to see a program between Raven and Undertaker. I thought they could have had some great promos together. But, to my recollection, that never happened.

But how about getting Raven back in the ring already and get on with the show.

[3dman27]

"Controlling his mind" doesn't sound right. But I think the idea of someone playing mindgames with Raven would make an interesting story to watch, especially a woman, if, as TheVileOne says, it's not silly and campy. When Raven was in the then World Wrestling Federation, I wanted to see a program between Raven and Undertaker. I thought they could have had some great promos together. But, to my recollection, that never happened.

But how about getting Raven back in the ring already and get on with the show.
that was the phrase used in the lordsofpain news item i was quoting :spidey:

[Hunter Rider]

Source: TNAWrestlingNews.com, The Observer

Believe it or not, TNAWrestlingNews.com can report that many people within TNA expect to see Bret Hart make several appearances for the company after 2006. The feeling right now is that after all the current WWE DVD stuff wears off, he'll make several special appearances for the company. He has had nothing but good things to say about the product in recent interviews. Dave Meltzer of The Wrestling Observer, who is close friends with Bret, has also stated that he would not be surprised to see him make an appearance at some point. Bret is also very good friends with Scott D'Amore in real life.

There is talk of using Test (Andrew Martin) for at least one appearance, perhaps for the Genisis pay-per-view. He has also bulked up a lot recently. As reported here on TNAWrestlingNews.com, Martin was backstage at several PPV events and iMPACT!. There was said to have been little interest in him at first but he made a good impression on the right people while backstage at these events. No word on how long or if he will even be with TNA.

TNAWrestlingNews.com can now confirm what many people already speculated on and that is that Shannon Moore will be debuting in TNA in the near future. The plan right now is to have him work as a heel in the X-Division.

The latest word on Kevin Nash from one TNAWrestlingNews.com backstage source is that he did not suffer a heart attack several weeks ago. There was fear that if he didn't make the 911 call, things could have been much worse. It is possible that he had a heart blockage but tests are still being done to find out what exactly happened.

Spike TV announced today that both Jeff Jarrett and A.J. Styles will be appearing on the Video Games Award show on 12/10. The Rock will also be on the show

[Keyser Soze]

That's great if they could get Christian. I'm appalled what they've done with Christian.

This is why WWE UN-creative blows. They fired a bunch of people and constantly blame the workers for NOT WORKING HARD ENOUGH TO GET OVER! Here's Christian a guy that got over with NO HELP AT ALL from creative, and then they basically kill him for becoming over with the fans. They pulled his merchandise from a show in his hometown! WTF?!

Now...there are rumors that Benoit's contract will be finished at the end of the year. If any of that is true...would Benoit retire...or go somewhere else?

You hit the nail on the head in regards to Christian. WWE are so obsessed with shoving the guys THEY want over down fans' throats, that they ignore the fact that they're being booed. Yet, when someone gets major heat without their backing, they feel the irrational need to bury them, because they only want to push wrestlers on their terms. WWE creative is clearly forgetting that it is guys like Rock and Austin (and, more recently, Batista), who become popular on their own, without the audience being told to like them, that tend to achieve major stardom.

And as for Benoit, the rumour is that WWE have offered him the same low contract they ofered Christian and The Dudley Boyz...

[Hunter Rider]

The Ottawa Sun has an interview with Rhino where he compares WWE and TNA noting "In WWE, I wasn't booked in matches where I could highlight my talent," he said. "WWE's on a bigger scale, but I didn't understand where some of the storylines were going ... like that necrophilia angle. A guy standing in the ring and talking for 20 minutes ... that's not what I like as a wrestling fan. With TNA, there's more wrestling and with that comes a story."

[3dman27]

You hit the nail on the head in regards to Christian. WWE are so obsessed with shoving the guys THEY want over down fans' throats, that they ignore the fact that they're being booed. Yet, when someone gets major heat without their backing, they feel the irrational need to bury them, because they only want to push wrestlers on their terms. WWE creative is clearly forgetting that it is guys like Rock and Austin (and, more recently, Batista), who become popular on their own, without the audience being told to like them, that tend to achieve major stardom.

And as for Benoit, the rumour is that WWE have offered him the same low contract they ofered Christian and The Dudley Boyz...
maybe vince the wince needs to see his customers walking out the door and into a tna show

[Hunter Rider]

The latest on Chris Benoit is that although he's been offered a low-ball deal on his contract extension, the rumor is that he will stay with WWE as the market in Japan is not all that good right now. Of course, Benoit could go to TNA but Japan would be his primary focus. We'll keep you posted on how things pan out as it's all rumors at this point.

[Keyser Soze]

I think that if Benoit were to as much as threaten to leave, they'd offer him a higher contract in a flash. Benoit is one of a handful of wrestlers on the roster that fans still take seriously. So for WWE to let him go, the management would have to be even dumber than I think they are...

[TheVileOne]

Well they already let Christian go. I'd say that's pretty symbolic of WWE being dumber than they think they are.

[Hunter Rider]

I just joined TNA's forums and hit the motherload with the download thread,quality isnt the best but im collecting some awesome Impact matches


*Currently d/ling Aj vs Abyss table match*

[TheVileOne]

I just joined TNA's forums and hit the motherload with the download thread,quality isnt the best but im collecting some awesome Impact matches


I told you man. They have the matches from nearly EVERY Impact from 2004 and 2005 going all the way up to the Spike TV era.

Plus you get the Tenay/West commentary instead of the apparently crappy guys that do it on Eurosport as you've pointed out before.

[Twitch]

I just joined TNA's forums and hit the motherload with the download thread,quality isnt the best but im collecting some awesome Impact matches


*Currently d/ling Aj vs Abyss table match*

My name is R.T.B over there :o

[Hunter Rider]

My name is R.T.B over there :o

im "The Rider" ive got the Styles/Daniels avvy:up:

I told you man. They have the matches from nearly EVERY Impact from 2004 and 2005 going all the way up to the Spike TV era.

Plus you get the Tenay/West commentary instead of the apparently crappy guys that do it on Eurosport as you've pointed out before.

Man i didn't realise they had d/lable stuff in the forum i was just trying to play the impacts in RP on the main site....i now have a full file of matches and im not through June yet:D

[Hunter Rider]

Despite Vince McMahon having licensed the name "Christian" as copywrited WWE property several years ago, TNAWrestlingNews.com has learned that Christian can retain full rights to continue using the name outside of WWE but it would require some work on his part. For several years prior to entering the WWF as a member of The Brood, Christian wrestled on the independents as "The Canadian Rage" Christian Cage. The worst case scenario would be that he would have to use the last name Cage if he were to work outside of the WWE. The Wrestling Observer reports that Vince McMahon had copywrited "The Honky Tonk Man" as his intellectual property, however the copywrite was struck down, as the former Intercontinental Champion was able to prove that he wrestled under the name "Honky Tonk Wayne" in Stampede Wrestling prior to his WWF debut, and was given full control over the name and gimmick. The Ultimate Warrior was also granted rights to the name "Warrior" as well as the character's trademark facepaint and ring attire, as Jim Hellwig was able to prove that he had used the Dingo Warrior gimmick prior to signing a WWF contract. Christian signing with TNA is very likely as he would need to work less than 5 dates per month and wouldn't need to leave the state of Florida. This is much different from being on the road 300 days a year. Sources say the two sides have already been in contact.

[TheVileOne]

FYI guys,

The TWO hour TNA wrestling special replays tonight on Spike TV. Its on at 12 midnight in central timezones.

[Hunter Rider]

TNA Genesis:

TNAwrestling.com announced two matches for the big 30 minute countdown pre-show before the Genesis PPV this Sunday, November 13 in Orlando, FL at Universal Studios.

Those matches include Shark Boy vs. the debuting Nigel McGuinness (current ROH Pure Champion) and The Naturals & Lance Hoyt vs. The Diamonds In The Rough. Here is how the card shapes up for Genesis this Sunday so far:

Six Man Main Event
- NWA World Champion Jeff Jarrett & NWA World Tag Team Champions America's Most Wanted vs. Rhino & Team 3D.

X Division Championship Match
- AJ Styles (c) vs. Petey Williams.

Elimination X Match: Elimination Rules
- Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Alex Shelley & Roderick Strong vs. Chris Sabin, Matt Bently, Sonjay Dutt & Austin Aries.

No DQ Match
- Abyss vs. Sabu.

#1 Contendership Match for NWA World Title
- Monty Brown vs. Jeff Hardy.

- 3 Live Kru vs. Team Canada.

[TheVileOne]

That actually sounds like one of the better pre-show cards in recent memory. I'd just like to see those matches get more time though.

Currently the Genesis card isn't really setting me afire. Here's the way I would've had the card:

World title match
Raven vs. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett

X title match
Chris Sabin vs. AJ Styles

Tag title match
Team 3-D vs. AMW

Samoa Joe vs. Christopher Daniels

Matt Bentley vs. Petey Williams

#1 Contenders match
Abyss vs. Monty Brown

Alex Shelley and Roderick Strong vs. Austin Aries and Sonjay Dutt

Team Canada vs. 3LK

That would've been a more sensical card after Bound For Glory. Oh well, have to hope for matches like Styles/Sabin and Joe/Daniels for another time.

[Hunter Rider]

I agree^^^^^ they don't push Sabin enough IMO and i hate tag matches as main events
I just d/led the entire 2 hour super show BTW:up:

[TheVileOne]

I agree^^^^^ they don't push Sabin enough IMO and i hate tag matches as main events
I just d/led the entire 2 hour super show BTW:up:

Whoa, do they have that to download on the forums now?! My replay got cut-off after the first hour by f'n infomercials.

Agreed, I also dislike tag matches as main events, save for AMW vs. XXX at Turning Point in Six Sides of Steel. That's probably one of TNA's best main event matches of all time.

[Hunter Rider]

Whoa, do they have that to download on the forums now?! My replay got cut-off after the first hour by f'n infomercials.

Agreed, I also dislike tag matches as main events, save for AMW vs. XXX at Turning Point in Six Sides of Steel. That's probably one of TNA's best main event matches of all time.

Yep its in 4 parts over at the download thread:up:
Tag matches like the one you mention between 2 proper tag teams can be great in main events but i don't like using singles stars in that fashion especially when one of the guys is the world champ

I'm loving what I'm seeing of Joe,that guy is unique,i wonder if AJ or Daniels can do their finishers on him though

[TheVileOne]

I'm loving what I'm seeing of Joe,that guy is unique,i wonder if AJ or Daniels can do their finishers on him though

Yes they can. I've seen AJ get Joe in the clash before. It'd be easy for Daniels to get the Angel's wings and the Last rites on Joe. At Unbreakable, Daniels was able to get Joe in a death valley driver.

[Hunter Rider]

TNAWrestling just posted the following:

"MAJOR ACQUISITION" TO APPEAR FOR TNA THIS SUNDAY AT "GENESIS"

On Tuesday morning, TNA management informed TNAwrestling.com that the company has come to terms with a "major acquisition" who will appear this Sunday during the live "Genesis" Pay-Per-View.

When reached for comment, TNA executive Frank Dickerson offered the following:

"This is the single biggest jump in TNA history," Dickerson said. "The contract is signed, the travel is set and in my opinion, 'Genesis' just got a whole lot more intriguing."

TNA will have further information on the "major acquisition" this Sunday on the live countdown preshow a half hour before "Genesis".

Note: With the wording of Frank Dickerson, it appears as though this is Christian signing with TNA. As noted on TNAWrestlingNews.com several days ago, Christian does not have a no compete clause. It is rumored a deal was signed in the last several days.

[Hunter Rider]

From WZ

The reason TNA didn't announce Christian by name as appearing at Genesis this Sunday is simply because they are not sure on what they will be calling him just yet. The final verdict will be revealed at the PPV on Sunday. TNA obviously wants to do everything right to try to avoid a legal lawsuit so they will be looking over the matter before 'officially' announcing him by name. TNAWrestlingNews.com has learned that this was said to have been a done deal for quite some time, even before Christian left WWE. The two sides had been talking and a deal was finally signed this past week according to one source familiar with the situation.

Jackie Gayda also recently signed with TNA and she is expected to debut very shortly. There have been rumors of Jackie Gayda and even Nidia coming to TNA to play the role of Raven's 'Mystery Women'.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah its gotta be Christian. I don't know who else it could be.

That's really a great acquisition for TNA.

[Hunter Rider]

-- In what makes matters worse with regards to the TNA Primetime Special's disappointing rating, PWTorch.com reports that the Jarrett vs. Rhino match actually drew a smaller audience than the first quarter hour. Since growth from start to finish is typically viewed as affirmation that fans are enjoying the program and anticipating the conclusion, the figures reflect a medicore endorsement of the main-event (and the show as a whole).

Although Spike TV (and TNA) was hoping for a number in the 1.5 ballpark, it still intends to give TNA more primetime specials. The 0.9 rating was a 23% spike from what the network had been previously doing in that timeslot, indicating that there is some benefit to these events. What Spike will not do at this time, however, is grant TNA a permanent primetime slot. Considering the stigma attached to professional wrestling, Spike TV would need to see much stronger ratings to shape one of its nights around TNA.

[Sabretooth]

Oh man.


Tna gets better and better and better every single day.:up:

[3dman27]

yes indeed

[Hunter Rider]

Source: WrestlingObserver.com (Dave Meltzer)

Jay 'Christian' Reso trademarked the name Christian Cage earlier today.

Believe it or not (and this may take some people off guard), there has been talk about replacing Scott D'Amore as head booker. His replacement? Jeff Jarrett. This is not confirmed and has only been talked about. Dave Meltzer also made note of this in a recent interview.

- Bret Hart has recently talked at length with TNA officials about an appearance at some point in 2006. As reported on TNAWrestlingNews.com, Bret has had nothing but positive things to say about TNA and their stars and has gone on record as saying he would like to help the company out at some point after the hype from his DVD calms down.

- The tentative release date for TNA's video game by Midway is spring 2007.

[TheVileOne]

TNA, you are KILLING your company with the main event scene. You have to change it IMMEDIATELY or face the consequences. And it doesn't mean getting Scott Steiner or DDP. It means showcasing new faces in the main event.

This includes Monty Brown, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Abyss, Raven, Rhino, and the incoming Christian.

I heard Christian has trademarked the name Captain Charisma as well.

[Hunter Rider]

TNA, you are KILLING your company with the main event scene. You have to change it IMMEDIATELY or face the consequences. And it doesn't mean getting Scott Steiner or DDP. It means showcasing new faces in the main event.

This includes Monty Brown, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Abyss, Raven, Rhino, and the incoming Christian.

I heard Christian has trademarked the name Captain Charisma as well.
I agree completely,The ratings were low for the JJ/Rhino match for the simple reason it was bad booking,The mainstream don't see JJ as anything but a second tier guy and Rhino sucks as a face he is a heel all the way

The company needs a flagship face and after viewing a LOT of matches over the past few days AJ is the gu,.
his mic work is good enough IMO and his talent is out of this world,they need to give him a chance and also they need to movie Joe and Daniels into the World title scene.
I love the X division but the mainstream See's the world title as the major prize and TNA needs it's top guys like AJ,Joe and Daniels fighting for it IMO

[Sabretooth]

Jarrett as booker?




NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[NDX]

Definately need Styles, Daniels and Joe in the main event scene to highlight other members of the X Division and put the title on Chris Sabin or preferably Alex Shelly.

[TheVileOne]

I really hope that thing about Jarrett booking is just internet BS.

[NDX]

The only way I'd accept Jarrett as a booker is if he ends his in ring career. You shouldn't be a wrestler with as much power as he already has AND a booker.

[punishermax]

Anyone else think we should start a "Drop the Belt" petition directed a Jeff Jarrett?

[3dman27]

sounds like a plan

[Keyser Soze]

I agree completely,The ratings were low for the JJ/Rhino match for the simple reason it was bad booking,The mainstream don't see JJ as anything but a second tier guy and Rhino sucks as a face he is a heel all the way

The company needs a flagship face and after viewing a LOT of matches over the past few days AJ is the gu,.
his mic work is good enough IMO and his talent is out of this world,they need to give him a chance and also they need to movie Joe and Daniels into the World title scene.
I love the X division but the mainstream See's the world title as the major prize and TNA needs it's top guys like AJ,Joe and Daniels fighting for it IMO

I don't think the solution for saving the World Title Division is stripping the X-Division bare. For many, the X-Division is the best thing about TNA, so surely taking away all the top talent from that dvision to prop up another is not so much solving one problem as creating a new one.

I think that the X-Division should be presented as seperate from the World Title Division, but just as high profile and prestigious. While I think Joe would work well crossing over to the World Title ranks, Styles and Daniels work as the top face and heel of the X-Division respectively, for now at least.

I think that what TNA needs to do is A) build some new stars, and B) get some high-profile acquisitions to add to the World Title division. Christian (or Christian Cage, as we should now call him) has the potential to be a big star in TNA. And quite interestingly, his success as a heel could lead to an eventual face turn, much like what happened with The Rock, and he might even end up being the flagship babyface we've been waiting for.

And if not, there's also the possibility that Chris Benoit could be making the jump in the not-too-distant future...

[Hunter Rider]

There's plenty of other X division talent that could move up into the top slots should AJ and Daniels move up
TNA needs a flagship face and preferably not a bought in one and AJ fits the bill IMO

[3dman27]

what about the brawler with bite SHARKBOY?

[Keyser Soze]

AJ Styles already is their flagship face. But right now, he's in the X-Division. He has moved to the World Title leagues in the past, but always request that he be returned to the X-Division, where he feels he is at his best.

I don't think having him here is making him second-tier. X-Title matches have been the main event of TNA PPVs, billed above the World Title matches, many times before. So rather than taking him away from the division he works best in, I'd say we need to get in more talent to add to the World Title leagues.

In short, why think about lowering the X-Division to the level of the World-Title Division? We should be thinking about improving the World Title Division until it is as great as the X-Division!

[Hunter Rider]

AJ Styles already is their flagship face. But right now, he's in the X-Division. He has moved to the World Title leagues in the past, but always request that he be returned to the X-Division, where he feels he is at his best.

I don't think having him here is making him second-tier. X-Title matches have been the main event of TNA PPVs, billed above the World Title matches, many times before. So rather than taking him away from the division he works best in, I'd say we need to get in more talent to add to the World Title leagues.

In short, why think about lowering the X-Division to the level of the World-Title Division? We should be thinking about improving the World Title Division until it is as great as the X-Division!

You make a good point but i don't see anyone in the free agent pool or in the current line up capable of being the main event face and the fact is preception for the mainstream is that the World title is the premier belt

Now they could push the X division harder and hope the audience accpets that title as the main belt but im not sure that would work

[Keyser Soze]

I think Christian is a real wild card at the moment. Depending on how they use him, he could very well end up being the flagship star of the World Title Division that TNA sorely needs.

[Hunter Rider]

I read this over at TNA's forums and though it was a good read


Originally Posted by Mike Johnson
After talking to many within WWE, though, it’s amazing how much the wrestling world changes and how much it remains the same. While there are many who acknowledge that the company dropped the ball by not offering Christian a better deal, it isn’t anyone with the power to have changed the course of events. There are also some in WWE who have told me that as talented as Christian is, he will fall on his face because he needed to be part of the WWE synergy to succeed. He can’t do it in TNA. He isn’t talented enough to carry the ball. It’s possible those who are saying it truly mean it, but I think deep down they are simply parroting the company line that is being practiced for the first time a stock holder asks how someone with such an upside to his work was allowed to just jump ship.

The entire situation harks back to a very similar instance during the height of the Monday Night Wars, when an extremely talented good wrestler got his own persona over, had good matches, and energized a good portion of the fans with everything he did. In the end, he was never going to get the push he deserved and despite the money on the table, took the chance to walk out and jump to the opposition.

His name was Chris Jericho.

Jericho's debut on Raw, going back and forth on the mic with The Rock, remains one of the most important moments in that war. He wasn’t the biggest name but he was someone that the fans grew to care about and respect because of the work ethic and heart he put out in the ring. He was someone the fans wanted to see on top and followed to see if it would happen. He was someone they knew was better then he was being treated. Sound familiar?

At the time, WCW’s head, Eric Bischoff, blew off the entire situation, feeling that he would simply sign Shane Douglas and everyone would forget about Jericho. Instead, it was the exact opposite. No one who was watching forgot that debut, especially those who worked for WCW. When Jericho debuted, he opened the doors for more and more talented performers, like Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero to do the same. Only when they made the move, they knew that they would have a chance in a new setting to make money, have good matches, and not stand secondary for the rest of their career to the old guard.

Fast forward to 2005 and Christian is now standing in the same shoes that Chris Jericho was once wearing. He and TNA have the chance to show the world that there is life beyond WWE, outside the gates of the McMahon kingdom. He has the chance to leave a career legacy behind and grow TNA into a larger company and know that he was a force behind that. He has the chance to kick open the doors and show those other underappreciated talents that there is another place to ply your trade. With stories of Chris Benoit’s deal being up shortly, it makes the situation even more intriguing.

When Chris Jericho left WCW, Eric Bischoff balked at the idea that he would make a difference in the war. Years later, Jericho was headlining Wrestlemania and Bischoff was a McMahon employee who’s prime on-camera role was to be a subservient to the very man he tried to put out of business. Looking back, it's amazing to think that Bischoff was so arrogant or unaware at what he was losing.

It will be equally amazing to look back in a few years and see where all the players sit then. It will be interesting to track the timeline and see if Christian’s decision sparked not just TNA into a new era, not just wrestling fans into trying a new product, but also forced WWE management, into realizing that perhaps things needed to change, or else. This Sunday, live on PPV, a new era begins for Christian, TNA, and the entire business. History may repeat itself, or the entire thing could fall flat on it’s face. No one truly knows what will happen and as worked as the wrestling business is, that’s one of the beauties of following it when a major story unfolds like this.

Good or bad, Christian’s decision is one of the biggest stories of 2005. No matter where Christian ends up at the end of this journey, his legacy will be that he had a chance to change the course of the history of the business, and took it. By doing so, he’s made himself a bigger name then WWE creative could have if he stayed.

Mike Johnson can be reached at Mike@PWInsider.com (Mike@PWInsider.com).

[Keyser Soze]

Excellent article, a really interesting read. This Sunday really could be the most important day of Christian's life...

[Sabretooth]

Definitely.I think Vince is gonna realize how much he just ****ed up.

[Sabretooth]

I think Christian is a real wild card at the moment. Depending on how they use him, he could very well end up being the flagship star of the World Title Division that TNA sorely needs.
I wonder if he would be better as a face or heel.With so many backing him for leaving WWE,and how that article was saying how big of a decision this was,I think he could b=very easily become a top face.

Though,you can bet WWE is gonna be laughing it's ass off that one of it's id carders is TNA's newest flagship.:o

[3dman27]

I wonder if he would be better as a face or heel.With so many backing him for leaving WWE,and how that article was saying how big of a decision this was,I think he could b=very easily become a top face.

Though,you can bet WWE is gonna be laughing it's ass off that one of it's id carders is TNA's newest flagship.:o
yeah out of the other side of his face :spidey: :thing:

[Keyser Soze]

I wonder if he would be better as a face or heel.With so many backing him for leaving WWE,and how that article was saying how big of a decision this was,I think he could b=very easily become a top face.

Though,you can bet WWE is gonna be laughing it's ass off that one of it's id carders is TNA's newest flagship.:o

Yeah, you're probably right. That's how WWE will try and dismiss it.

But WCW had a good laugh when one of their mid-carders, Steve Austin, began getting pushed as a WWE main eventer. And look where they are now...

[Hunter Rider]

I think Christian's debut is gonna be essential this Sunday for TNA as Genesis isn't a great card IMO

Hopefully they will handle his arrival well and put him straight into the thick of the title picture

2 Questions for those that have followed TNA longer than me

1)What exactly was the "Clockwork Orange house of fun match" between Jeff Hardy and Raven ?

2)How good was the AJ/Joe match at Sacrifice ?

[Twitch]

I think Christian's debut is gonna be essential this Sunday for TNA as Genesis isn't a great card IMO

Hopefully they will handle his arrival well and put him straight into the thick of the title picture

2 Questions for those that have followed TNA longer than me

1)What exactly was the "Clockwork Orange house of fun match" between Jeff Hardy and Raven ?

2)How good was the AJ/Joe match at Sacrifice ?

It was TNA's Version of a TLC match, they avoided a lawsuit by including chains, I believe. A brutal match as you can figure out.

[Hunter Rider]

It was TNA's Version of a TLC match, they avoided a lawsuit by including chains, I believe. A brutal match as you can figure out.
souds cool,thanks:up:

I just watched the 2 hour TNA primetime special today...Now THAT is pro wrestling,
the six man tag was off the charts and the ultimate X match was incredible,in fact the whole show was great
I thought Rhino and JJ's promo's were good set ups for the match and whilst i know many hate JJ him and Rhino put on a great NWA title match,very physical with some well worked spots and good momentum and that's what i love about TNA,the variety is brilliant and as my dad put it when i watched the big matches again with him a few minutes ago "WWE aren't in the same league when it comes to excitement"

[TheVileOne]

Jeff Hardy and Raven actually never had a Clockwork Orange House Of Fun match. It was actually between Raven and Sean Waltman at Hard Justice.

Its not really TLC, its basically just a hardcore match/streetfight with a bunch of weapons surrounding the ring. The match is under pinfall/submission rules. Though when Raven and Sandman had the match, the way to win was to knock your opponent off of a balcony through 2 sets of stacked up tables.

[Hunter Rider]

Did Raven and Sandman have their match in TNA ?

I think Austin Aries is gonna be a futre X Division champ that guy has some great moves

[TheVileOne]

Yes they did.

Austin Aries is fantastic. I hope he does get the X division title in the future, him Alex Shelley, Sonjay Dutt, and Roderick Strong. I think a Shelley/Aries feud for the title would be awesome.

[Hunter Rider]

Yes they did.

Austin Aries is fantastic. I hope he does get the X division title in the future, him Alex Shelley, Sonjay Dutt, and Roderick Strong. I think a Shelley/Aries feud for the title would be awesome.

Agreed and i also think Petey Williams is looking great to,i expect his and AJ's finisher challenge to be great on this weeks Impact,Matt Bentley is also back in the hunt IMO but i think Sabin needs a freshen up,he should go heel

The match they gotta give fans soon though is Joe vs Daniels

[TheVileOne]

Well they obviously seem to building up to Joe/Daniels, so I'm hoping we see that at Turning Point.

BTW guys, I finally got the TNA Anthology set. I ordered it from Wal-mart.com because I wasn't finding it ANYWHERE. It is indeed awesome, so I recommend it if you can find it anywhere and/or if you want to order it. You basically get THREE TNA PPV DVD sets for the price of one.

[Hunter Rider]

Sounds great,hopefully Region 2 DVD's will start soon,i was checking their site and i can't see any sign of Unbreakable or Sacrifice on DVD yet,any idea when they will be released ?Impact tomorrow-Aries vs Joe:up:

[TheVileOne]

Sounds great,hopefully Region 2 DVD's will start soon,i was checking their site and i can't see any sign of Unbreakable or Sacrifice on DVD yet,any idea when they will be released ?Impact tomorrow-Aries vs Joe:up:

Just so you know hunter rider, TNA's DVD's are Region 0. Meaning REGION FREE. I believe all the DVD's on their website are Region 0.

[Hunter Rider]

Just so you know hunter rider, TNA's DVD's are Region 0. Meaning REGION FREE. I believe all the DVD's on their website are Region 0.

:eek: Well considering they are reasonably priced i shall order one and hope it plays:up:

[TheVileOne]

Well look at these links for TNA DVDs on high spots.com:

AJ DVD:
http://highspots.com/www/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?store_id=125&page_id=23&Item_ID=12165

X Division DVD:
http://highspots.com/www/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?store_id=125&page_id=23&Item_ID=12168

Ultimate X DVD:
http://highspots.com/www/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?store_id=125&page_id=23&Item_ID=12166

Final Resolution DVD:
http://highspots.com/www/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?store_id=125&page_id=23&Item_ID=12844

Against All Odds DVD:
http://highspots.com/www/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?store_id=125&page_id=23&Item_ID=13202

All of these are solicited as region free, so if you don't mind out shelling for the shipping hunter rider, I think you are good on the region thing.

[Hunter Rider]

thanks for the links:up: definitely appears i can play them so it looks like i know where my Christmas money is goinghttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif


I just did the Genesis pick em's,im still really unsure about the #1 contenders match and there is still some uncertainty about Christian for some but I'm sure it's him

Any news on if TNA are gonna sign the American Dragon ?

[TheVileOne]

I don't think American Dragon is too interested in TNA right now. Especially with him being the ROH world champion.

I took a look at your pick 'ems, I think you made some good calls.

[3dman27]

who's the american dragon?
why would he take his ring name from a disney channel cartoon?

[punishermax]

He is the American Dragon Brian Danielson, he is one of the biggest indy stars in the States.

[3dman27]

have you any more info ?

[3dman27]

can anyone clarify something about tonights TNA GENESIS PPV?
i understand the first1/2hour is free does that mean veiwers can watch that part WITHOUT BUYING the ppv? :spidey: :thing:

[Hunter Rider]

can anyone clarify something about tonights TNA GENESIS PPV?
i understand the first1/2hour is free does that mean veiwers can watch that part WITHOUT BUYING the ppv? :spidey: :thing:

Yes that's what it means

heres a bio on the american dragon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Danielson

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/bios/adragon.html

I don't think American Dragon is too interested in TNA right now. Especially with him being the ROH world champion.

I took a look at your pick 'ems, I think you made some good calls.

:up:
Im surprised how many think JJ/AMW will win
I noticed you picked Aries team,do you think someone will pin Joe tonight ?

[3dman27]

Thank You

[TheVileOne]

hunter rider, I don't think Joe will get pinned, more like he will get dq'ed or counted out.

Props to hunter rider for showing his respects with the av.

[Keyser Soze]

I don't see American Dragon joining TNA. If there is any wrestler that defines the Indies for me, it's Bryan Danielson. I just don't think him being in a major company would feel right.

But that's not a knock on him. He has more than enough talent to hang with the best in TNA. In fact, I remember Benoit once saying in an interview that he'd love to wrestle Danielson...

[Hunter Rider]

hunter rider, I don't think Joe will get pinned, more like he will get dq'ed or counted out.

Props to hunter rider for showing his respects with the av.

:( :up: a very sad day for the business

I guess if Joe gets eliminated some way it will be Daniels fault and that will stoke their feud

[TheVileOne]

Well didn't exactly turn out that way. Looks like they are moving forward with AJ/Joe for now.

How'd you do for Pick 'ems? I scored about 22 I think.

[Hunter Rider]

Well didn't exactly turn out that way. Looks like they are moving forward with AJ/Joe for now.

How'd you do for Pick 'ems? I scored about 22 I think.

Yeah i read what happened,great angle IMO,it sets Joe up as a true heel and it should also set up Daniels/Joe for Turning point unless as you say they go with AJ/Joe,either way the set up for the biggest X division feuds ever has been done brilliantly....I think AJ/Joe would be regarded as the biggest X division title match ever correct ?

How was Genesis ? it sounded great from the review i read.

For Pick 'ems i scored 25,Mguiness let me down:mad:

[3dman27]

i tried watching the coundown show it cut off two miuites into in how'd the sharkboy match turn out?

[Hunter Rider]

i tried watching the coundown show it cut off two miuites into in how'd the sharkboy match turn out?

He surprisingly won:eek:

[3dman27]

ALRIGHT[gives the shark salute]

[Hunter Rider]

ALRIGHT[gives the shark salute]

LOL you got a thing for jobbershttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[TheVileOne]

Yeah i read what happened,great angle IMO,it sets Joe up as a true heel and it should also set up Daniels/Joe for Turning point unless as you say they go with AJ/Joe,either way the set up for the biggest X division feuds ever has been done brilliantly....I think AJ/Joe would be regarded as the biggest X division title match ever correct ?


Well they've already done AJ vs. Joe in TNA. It was the finals of the Super X CUP II tournament at Sacrifice in August. However, we've yet to see AJ vs. Joe one on one for the X division title in TNA.


How was Genesis ? it sounded great from the review i read.

It surprisingly was, I think Christian's appearance helped things even more.


For Pick 'ems i scored 25,Mguiness let me down:mad:

Don't feel too bad I really thought McGuiness had it as well.

Plus we couldn't use Raven's match in pick 'ems either.

[Hunter Rider]

Well they've already done AJ vs. Joe in TNA. It was the finals of the Super X CUP II tournament at Sacrifice in August. However, we've yet to see AJ vs. Joe one on one for the X division title in TNA.

Ah yes that was the one with the disputed finish that led to that 3-way most are saying is match of the year right ?

What was Aj and Joe's chemistry like ?



It surprisingly was, I think Christian's appearance helped things even more.

I can't believe some of the WWE trolls that are invading the TNA forum bashing Christian and blabbing on about Batista:mad:




Don't feel too bad I really thought McGuiness had it as well.

Plus we couldn't use Raven's match in pick 'ems either.


It was unusual for a guy to lose his debut like that especially to shark Boy whom Ive never seen win

[Bad Superman]

I'm glad Christian will get his well deserved main event push and hopefully a couple of World title reigns. Here's hoping :up:

[Sarge 2.0]

I heard Christians appearence was amazing...I'm searching for Genesis to d/l as we speak. Congrats to Christian for finally getting some deserved main event status. :up:

[TheVileOne]

Ah yes that was the one with the disputed finish that led to that 3-way most are saying is match of the year right ?

Yes, it was a great match, which Joe won.


What was Aj and Joe's chemistry like ?

AJ and Joe really have a spark that's comparable to the great feuds and wrestling pairings throughout history. Flair/Steamboat, Sting/Vader, Benoit/Jericho. It reminds me of Sting/Vader the most. I've also seen their other matches from ROH and PWG. They are ALWAYS great. They always manage to make their matches different and exciting.

What I love is how whenever AJ gets in the ring with Joe, he tries to show how strong he is by tossing around Joe like a rag doll, showing that he's not intimidated by Joe's size/strength advantage at all.


I can't believe some of the WWE trolls that are invading the TNA forum bashing Christian and blabbing on about Batista:mad:


Batista tore a muscle in his back because he's on the gas. Christian got tired of being a WWE scrub after becoming one of their most over superstars and left for what he thinks is a young and hungry promotion.


It was unusual for a guy to lose his debut like that especially to shark Boy whom Ive never seen win

I don't quite think it was McGuiness's debut, since I think Tenay mentioned he returns to TNA.

Shark Boy wins matches from time to time. Before Unbreakable he beat Christopher Daniels.

[3dman27]

LOL you got a thing for jobbershttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
i just like the more lighthearted type ala the more or less superhero styled sharkboy[the REAL sharkboy btw]

[Hunter Rider]

Yes, it was a great match, which Joe won.
Aj tapped to the takita clutch right ?




AJ and Joe really have a spark that's comparable to the great feuds and wrestling pairings throughout history. Flair/Steamboat, Sting/Vader, Benoit/Jericho. It reminds me of Sting/Vader the most. I've also seen their other matches from ROH and PWG. They are ALWAYS great. They always manage to make their matches different and exciting.

What I love is how whenever AJ gets in the ring with Joe, he tries to show how strong he is by tossing around Joe like a rag doll, showing that he's not intimidated by Joe's size/strength advantage at all.



sounds like it could be a big draw for TNA,i loved the Vader/Sting chemistry and with Joe's bonofide monster heel turn they could use some mic work and storyline to promote AJ/Joe as more personal than a usual X division feud

Batista tore a muscle in his back because he's on the gas. Christian got tired of being a WWE scrub after becoming one of their most over superstars and left for what he thinks is a young and hungry promotion

I agree completely,hopefully JJ wont scupper his chances like he does with most new guys coming in.




I don't quite think it was McGuiness's debut, since I think Tenay mentioned he returns to TNA.

Shark Boy wins matches from time to time. Before Unbreakable he beat Christopher Daniels.


LOL how did he beat Daniels ?
Having seen Mguiness i really don't think he brings much to the X division,to me they would be better pushing Aries,Shelley and Sabin than bringing extra guys like him in

[Hunter Rider]

i just like the more lighthearted type ala the more or less superhero styled sharkboy[the REAL sharkboy btw]

LOL thats cool,we all have out favourites:up:

[TheVileOne]

Aj tapped to the takita clutch right ?

Its Kojita, and yes he did.


sounds like it could be a big draw for TNA,i loved the Vader/Sting chemistry and with Joe's bonofide monster heel turn they could use some mic work and storyline to promote AJ/Joe as more personal than a usual X division feud


Well Joe is a great talker, and can more than compensate for AJ's lack of ability on the mic. But I think for this feud, actions will speak better than words.


I agree completely,hopefully JJ wont scupper his chances like he does with most new guys coming in.


Knowing Jarrett...I have a feeling he will.


LOL how did he beat Daniels ?

AJ distracted him for a bit and when Daniels turned around, Sharkie got him in a small package/inside cradle.


Having seen Mguiness i really don't think he brings much to the X division,to me they would be better pushing Aries,Shelley and Sabin than bringing extra guys like him in

I don't think he should be an X guy either if they bring him in.

Currently he's ROH's Pure Wrestling champion defeating Samoa Joe for the title.

[Hunter Rider]

Its Kojita, and yes he did.

Ah i wasnt sure if i had gotten it right or not,thanks for the correct name:up:
Daniels submission is the Koji clutch though right ?




Well Joe is a great talker, and can more than compensate for AJ's lack of ability on the mic. But I think for this feud, actions will speak better than words.

I liked the idea i heard of Joe wearing the blood soaked Towel to the ring for the next few shows,i think it will enhance the emotional aspect of the feud and to be honest i don't think AJ is bad on the mic,he is one of those that says what he needs to say and his look and talent do the rest

Knowing Jarrett...I have a feeling he will.

The thing Christian has that the others JJ has held back don't is name recognition and great mic work,one of the reasons JJ keeps on top is he is a good promo cutter



AJ distracted him for a bit and when Daniels turned around, Sharkie got him in a small package/inside cradle.

LOL sounds like classic old school stuff:up:




I don't think he should be an X guy either if they bring him in.

Currently he's ROH's Pure Wrestling champion defeating Samoa Joe for the title.


Woah they put him over Joe ? the thing is i don't think he fits that well in any division for TNA,he lacks the style for X division and is to bland for the HW division

[TheVileOne]

Ah i wasnt sure if i had gotten it right or not,thanks for the correct name:up:
Daniels submission is the Koji clutch though right ?



I liked the idea i heard of Joe wearing the blood soaked Towel to the ring for the next few shows,i think it will enhance the emotional aspect of the feud and to be honest i don't think AJ is bad on the mic,he is one of those that says what he needs to say and his look and talent do the rest


I don't think he's bad on the mic either, but he's not a master talker like say Daniels or even Joe for that matter.


The thing Christian has that the others JJ has held back don't is name recognition and great mic work,one of the reasons JJ keeps on top is he is a good promo cutter.


Jarrett has never actually cut a promo I thought was listenable.


Woah they put him over Joe ? the thing is i don't think he fits that well in any division for TNA,he lacks the style for X division and is to bland for the HW division

This is very much a general consensus for Nigel among wrestling and ROH fans alike.

[Hunter Rider]

I don't think he's bad on the mic either, but he's not a master talker like say Daniels or even Joe for that matter.
Daniels is the best character in TNA IMO,his mic work and presentation really make him stand out
As for Joe Ive yet to hear him talk but he's a guy that doesn't need to say a lot as his presence does all the talking for him



Jarrett has never actually cut a promo I thought was listenable.

I agree that he's an acquired taste but the general consensus seems to be that his promo's are part of what keeps him at the top,with Christian there i think all that could change




This is very much a general consensus for Nigel among wrestling and ROH fans alike


Honesty when i see some of the ideas in the "TNA should hire" thread i roll my eyes,yes some of these guys have talent but TNA has a lot of that already they need to bring in guys that have something unique about them
the 2 right now on the ROH scene that fit the bill to me are The American Dragon and Homocide,I also think if they could get Lesnar that would be a big addition

[Hunter Rider]

Confirmed match for Turning Point-

Total Annihalation Barbed wire match
Sabu vs Abyss

[TheVileOne]

Oy. Another Sabu/Abyss match. That was the match they should've done at Genesis since they already had a NO DQ match at Unbreakable. I think they've done all they can with this feud. It doesn't serve to job either one of those guys in the match.

[Hunter Rider]

Oy. Another Sabu/Abyss match. That was the match they should've done at Genesis since they already had a NO DQ match at Unbreakable. I think they've done all they can with this feud. It doesn't serve to job either one of those guys in the match.

Well it seems that the feud has gone on to long especially since Abyss won both the previous matches which seems to negate the point of a three match series but still this is the first PPV ever to have a Barbwire match on it in the mainstream so it should draw some wide ranging interest to the Show IMO

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: Wrestling Observer, PWInsider

One of TNA's main sponsors, Morphoplex, is currently paying $200,000 a month to sponsor their shows.

Seth Petruzelli, who lost in the semifinals of The Ultimate Fighter, has expressed interest in coming to TNA. He does in fact have wrestling training, he was trained by former WWF intercontinental champion Marc Mero and lives right in the Orlando area. There's no word on whether TNA has any interest in him or not.

[TheVileOne]

Well at least someone is paying TNA at this point.

Latest Impact scored a .7 rating. But to be honest, the last Impact was hardly watchable. It was a little lame.

[punishermax]

Ah i wasnt sure if i had gotten it right or not,thanks for the correct name:up:
Daniels submission is the Koji clutch though right ?




I liked the idea i heard of Joe wearing the blood soaked Towel to the ring for the next few shows,i think it will enhance the emotional aspect of the feud and to be honest i don't think AJ is bad on the mic,he is one of those that says what he needs to say and his look and talent do the rest



The thing Christian has that the others JJ has held back don't is name recognition and great mic work,one of the reasons JJ keeps on top is he is a good promo cutter





LOL sounds like classic old school stuff:up:





Woah they put him over Joe ? the thing is i don't think he fits that well in any division for TNA,he lacks the style for X division and is to bland for the HW division

RoH really likes the stiff-British style of wrestling that is currently invading the States, some find it boring others find it very entertaining.

[TheVileOne]

Well ROH has always had a sort of a stiff-looking shoot-fighting, technical/submission style to their matches since the beginning.

[Keyser Soze]

I know of five matches set up for "Turning Point" so far. Looks like its setting up to be a great show. However, some of the matches are surprises revealed in the tapings, so I'll only post them if people want me to.

As for Joe, yes, he is a really good talker when given the chance. Strangely enough, he sounds like The Rock...

[punishermax]

Well ROH has always had a sort of a stiff-looking shoot-fighting, technical/submission style to their matches since the beginning.


Yeah, RoH has always been that way, but stiff style wrestling hasn't gotten as much attention as it has last 1-2 years.

[Hunter Rider]

RoH really likes the stiff-British style of wrestling that is currently invading the States, some find it boring others find it very entertaining.

I don't dislike stiff style i just feel he is very allround bland unlike the other guys ive seen from ROH or TNA

[Hunter Rider]

Edit

[Hunter Rider]

Turning point matches



NWA world title match-JJ vs Rhino X division title-AJ vs Joe Tag team title table match-AMW vs Team D Christian Cage vs Monty

[TheVileOne]

Turning Point is looking pretty good outside of the main event world title match.

[Hunter Rider]

Turning Point is looking pretty good outside of the main event world title match.

I actually like the main event,im glad they used Rhino over Monty

I ordered Best OF AJ and Destination X last night,I also ordered ROH Final Battle 04 and Road to the title

[Hunter Rider]

Partial credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter -- TNA is scheduled to have two more primetime specials before the end of the year. -- To update on TNA running house shows in 2006, they've been looking at running in the ECW arena, probably as a one time thing, with Shane Douglas helping to promote that one. -- TNA and Jackie Gayda have done their first photo shoot and the pics are now on TNA's website. Jackie looks a bit different from her WWE days.

[TheVileOne]

Different how? Like ****tier?

Not sure about them being in the ECW arena. I don't think they'd be welcome too much there. I just have a feeling. Maybe with the ECW mainstays. Guys like Raven, The Dudleyz, Sabu, possibly Polaco, etc. But I'd be annoyed if they just chanted crap like, "YOU SOLD OUT!" "YOU SOLD OUT!"

I think i already mentioned their next two primetime specials earlier in this thread :) .

[Hunter Rider]

Different how? Like ****tier?

Not sure about them being in the ECW arena. I don't think they'd be welcome too much there. I just have a feeling. Maybe with the ECW mainstays. Guys like Raven, The Dudleyz, Sabu, possibly Polaco, etc. But I'd be annoyed if they just chanted crap like, "YOU SOLD OUT!" "YOU SOLD OUT!"

I think i already mentioned their next two primetime specials earlier in this thread :) .

Youv'e probably seen the pics by now but i would say she looks pretty much the same but less gaudy

I think another 2 specials is a great idea,TNA need to get regular 2 hour primetime slot as soon as possible imo

BTW how was the Joe vs Liger match ?

[TheVileOne]

Youv'e probably seen the pics by now but i would say she looks pretty much the same but less gaudy

I think another 2 specials is a great idea,TNA need to get regular 2 hour primetime slot as soon as possible imo

Its not going to happen anytime soon unless ratings spike significantly. No pun intended.


BTW how was the Joe vs Liger match ?

Disappointing. It was supposed to be a dream match and MOTYC but it was hardly that. Only 7 minutes as it was cut short due to the hacked together main event.

[3dman27]

I think another 2 specials is a great idea,TNA need to get regular 2 hour primetime slot as soon as possible imo


maybe they can expand to 90 minuites at first then two hours

[TheVileOne]

maybe they can expand to 90 minuites at first then two hours

Once again, neither will happen anytime soon unless ratings significantly change.

[Hunter Rider]

Its not going to happen anytime soon unless ratings spike significantly. No pun intended.

shame i think it's hard to expect ratings to spike with a timeslot like Impact has







Disappointing. It was supposed to be a dream match and MOTYC but it was hardly that. Only 7 minutes as it was cut short due to the hacked together main event.


Shame,i heard Joe vs Kobashi for ROH was amazing


Some news

- TNA's next primetime special will be on Thursday, December 8th. SpikeTV

- Shannon Moore's match on Impact this past week was actually a tryout match, although TNA has been talking about bringing him in for awhile, especially to travel with and keep an eye on Jeff Hardy.

[Sarge 2.0]

Once again, neither will happen anytime soon unless ratings significantly change. I would hope that Christian jumping ship would get some hardcore WWE fans to watch, even out of curiosity, but it doesn't look like that's happening.

[TheVileOne]

I would hope that Christian jumping ship would get some hardcore WWE fans to watch, even out of curiosity, but it doesn't look like that's happening.

Hey you never know. Let's actually wait until the ratings for Christian's Impact debut come out.

[TheVileOne]

- TNA's next primetime special will be on Thursday, December 8th. SpikeTV


Well that's good. Despite everything, they got 3 prime time specials this year. One in November and two in December. It'd actually be nice if they could get a prime time special once a month or two.

Any word on how long the next special will be?


- Shannon Moore's match on Impact this past week was actually a tryout match, although TNA has been talking about bringing him in for awhile, especially to travel with and keep an eye on Jeff Hardy.

I think Hardy crossed the border a long time ago.

[Hunter Rider]

Well that's good. Despite everything, they got 3 prime time specials this year. One in November and two in December. It'd actually be nice if they could get a prime time special once a month or two.

Any word on how long the next special will be?

No news yet,im guessing it will be 2 hours again as to reduce the time will look bad




I think Hardy crossed the border a long time ago.

I honestly can't see the facintaion some have with him,if he isnt jumping off ladders through tables he isnt really worth a lot


Some AJ greatnesshttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8113/16gg.gif

[NDX]

They are wasting their time on Hardy. He occassionally looks entertaining, but nothing even sticks out with him. It's his opponents who shine in his matches, not him.

The Joe/Styles setup today was good. Looking forward to their confrontation.

[TheVileOne]

I think Turning Point would be the perfect time to give Joe the X division title. But I could also see it going the other way as well.

[Hunter Rider]

I think Turning Point would be the perfect time to give Joe the X division title. But I could also see it going the other way as well.

They've built Joe up as unstoppable,to not have him follow through and beat AJ would be a mistake similar to if The Rock had beaten Lesnar at SS2002
The way to do it is have AJ pass out in the Kajita clutch thus both guys go over in a sense

[3dman27]

how last saturdays impact turn out?

[Keyser Soze]

I would hope that Christian jumping ship would get some hardcore WWE fans to watch, even out of curiosity, but it doesn't look like that's happening.

Many hardcore WWE fans still refuse to watch it, stating that Christian has "sold out". In fact, here's a reply I made in another forum, to a poster who called Christian Cage "a WWE b star who got fired because he wasn't good enough for WWE." :

Christian is far from a "b" star. He can wrestle circles around so-called "a" stars like John Cena. And I'm glad that he has gone to TNA, where he will be get the push he deserves. And he wasn't fired - here is the real story:

WWE is losing money, fast. Their crappy product is resulting in low ratings, and a fall in house show attendance. With less money to throw around, Vince McMahon is having to lower the worker's paycheques. Therefore, with Christian's contract expiring earlier this month, he was reportedly offered a new contract that gave him a fraction of the pay he was getting. Christian denies this, saying they gave him a good offer, which he declined, but this story is generally accepted as the truth.

So, Christian was left with a choice. Did he really want to stay in WWE? For years, he had watched his less talented tag-team partner Edge recieve push after push, while he got unfairly buried. But in recent years, through his own hard work, Christian has developed a great heel persona, that has proved so effective, that fans began to actually cheer for him this year. Just look at the Raw from the UK: he recieved a standing ovation so overwhelming that even he was stunned, and the announcers had to actually acknowledge it.

But do WWE see this hugely over star, and decide to capitalise on his popularity? No, they see his popularity as a threat, and subsequently bury him. The feud with John Cena that Christian teased for months was scrapped, Christian's T-Shirt (which was actually the highest-selling item of merchandise on Shopzone) stopped being sold, and Christian was shunted over to Smackdown, and left with no meaningful feud or angle. He was basically being punished for his own popularity. Christian had well and truly hit the glass ceiling.

So, the ONLY possible reason for staying in WWE was the money. And then WWE take that away from him as well. So Christian is put in a position where he can go elsewhere. And TNA makes sense. Reports are that, with the reduced contract from WWE, he could make just about as much money in TNA. Plus, TNA shows are always in Florida, where Christian lives - allowing him to spend more time with his wife. With no house shows or touring, Christian has a much reduced workload, but is far more appreciated for the work he DOES do.

Now, there are clues that he has been planning this for a while (he trademarked the name Captain Charisma, for example), and I see it as a good move. While WWE would never make him a top guy, in TNA he is already huge. Rather than being a "WWE reject", he actually chose TNA over WWE. This is a huge turning point for TNA, as well as for Christian himself. Just watch his first appearance at "Genesis". He had to stop talking mid-interview because the cheers were so deafening nobody could hear him speak. He is finally a top guy, getting the recognition he deserved in WWE, but he never got.

And as for those who won't watch TNA, give it a try. Right now it is far, far, far better than the crap WWE is spouting out - and that's coming from someone who has been loyally following WWE (WWF when I started watching) since 1990. Rather than crappy matches and ridiculous storylines dominated by the McMahons, we get some genuinely great wrestling. I'd say that AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe are arguably the three best wrestlers working today - Benoit and Angle would make up the rest of my top 5 - and every PPV seems to have at least one genuine match-of-the-year candidate in it.

And with Christian Cage now in TNA, it can only get better. WWE is getting complacent, letting lazy writing take over, leaving their fans unhappy. The last time they did that was in 1995. Then WCW came damn close to killing them in 1996. I see history beginning to repeat itself...

[Hunter Rider]

Many hardcore WWE fans still refuse to watch it, stating that Christian has "sold out". In fact, here's a reply I made in another forum, to a poster who called Christian Cage "a WWE b star who got fired because he wasn't good enough for WWE." :

Christian is far from a "b" star. He can wrestle circles around so-called "a" stars like John Cena. And I'm glad that he has gone to TNA, where he will be get the push he deserves. And he wasn't fired - here is the real story:

WWE is losing money, fast. Their crappy product is resulting in low ratings, and a fall in house show attendance. With less money to throw around, Vince McMahon is having to lower the worker's paycheques. Therefore, with Christian's contract expiring earlier this month, he was reportedly offered a new contract that gave him a fraction of the pay he was getting. Christian denies this, saying they gave him a good offer, which he declined, but this story is generally accepted as the truth.

So, Christian was left with a choice. Did he really want to stay in WWE? For years, he had watched his less talented tag-team partner Edge recieve push after push, while he got unfairly buried. But in recent years, through his own hard work, Christian has developed a great heel persona, that has proved so effective, that fans began to actually cheer for him this year. Just look at the Raw from the UK: he recieved a standing ovation so overwhelming that even he was stunned, and the announcers had to actually acknowledge it.

But do WWE see this hugely over star, and decide to capitalise on his popularity? No, they see his popularity as a threat, and subsequently bury him. The feud with John Cena that Christian teased for months was scrapped, Christian's T-Shirt (which was actually the highest-selling item of merchandise on Shopzone) stopped being sold, and Christian was shunted over to Smackdown, and left with no meaningful feud or angle. He was basically being punished for his own popularity. Christian had well and truly hit the glass ceiling.

So, the ONLY possible reason for staying in WWE was the money. And then WWE take that away from him as well. So Christian is put in a position where he can go elsewhere. And TNA makes sense. Reports are that, with the reduced contract from WWE, he could make just about as much money in TNA. Plus, TNA shows are always in Florida, where Christian lives - allowing him to spend more time with his wife. With no house shows or touring, Christian has a much reduced workload, but is far more appreciated for the work he DOES do.

Now, there are clues that he has been planning this for a while (he trademarked the name Captain Charisma, for example), and I see it as a good move. While WWE would never make him a top guy, in TNA he is already huge. Rather than being a "WWE reject", he actually chose TNA over WWE. This is a huge turning point for TNA, as well as for Christian himself. Just watch his first appearance at "Genesis". He had to stop talking mid-interview because the cheers were so deafening nobody could hear him speak. He is finally a top guy, getting the recognition he deserved in WWE, but he never got.

And as for those who won't watch TNA, give it a try. Right now it is far, far, far better than the crap WWE is spouting out - and that's coming from someone who has been loyally following WWE (WWF when I started watching) since 1990. Rather than crappy matches and ridiculous storylines dominated by the McMahons, we get some genuinely great wrestling. I'd say that AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe are arguably the three best wrestlers working today - Benoit and Angle would make up the rest of my top 5 - and every PPV seems to have at least one genuine match-of-the-year candidate in it.

And with Christian Cage now in TNA, it can only get better. WWE is getting complacent, letting lazy writing take over, leaving their fans unhappy. The last time they did that was in 1995. Then WCW came damn close to killing them in 1996. I see history beginning to repeat itself...

Spot on:up:
Remember the pop CC got in MSG last year ? that was a test for how fans would react to him being in the main event,the response was a definate positive,the WWE's response to this was to have him job like a mid carder to muscle head Batista:down
WWE is failing miserably right now and TNA just got itself another piece of the puzzle

[Keyser Soze]

Agreed, hunter rider. I'm beginning to think that WWE letting Christian go could very well go down in the record books as a screw-up comparable to WCW firing Steve Austin.

[TheVileOne]

I really don't know what to say to close-minded wrestling fans like that.

[Sabretooth]

Kinda late,but anybody else kinda pissed that Christian got pounced on Impact? I like Brown,but I don't want this to be a sign of things to come...

[Keyser Soze]

I don't think there was any shame in Christian Cage being Pounced.

The promo between Christian and Monty Brown was the highlight of the show. And having Brown hit him with the Pounce helps add to Brown's credibility without taking away from Christian Cage's. It's setting up for an interesting feud.

[Sabretooth]

Despite the end of the promo,Monty Brown was kicking ass when he was talking about Christian's outfit.Hilarious.:D

[3dman27]

Many hardcore WWE fans still refuse to watch it, stating that Christian has "sold out". In fact, here's a reply I made in another forum, to a poster who called Christian Cage "a WWE b star who got fired because he wasn't good enough for WWE." :

Christian is far from a "b" star. He can wrestle circles around so-called "a" stars like John Cena. And I'm glad that he has gone to TNA, where he will be get the push he deserves. And he wasn't fired - here is the real story:

WWE is losing money, fast. Their crappy product is resulting in low ratings, and a fall in house show attendance. With less money to throw around, Vince McMahon is having to lower the worker's paycheques. Therefore, with Christian's contract expiring earlier this month, he was reportedly offered a new contract that gave him a fraction of the pay he was getting. Christian denies this, saying they gave him a good offer, which he declined, but this story is generally accepted as the truth.

So, Christian was left with a choice. Did he really want to stay in WWE? For years, he had watched his less talented tag-team partner Edge recieve push after push, while he got unfairly buried. But in recent years, through his own hard work, Christian has developed a great heel persona, that has proved so effective, that fans began to actually cheer for him this year. Just look at the Raw from the UK: he recieved a standing ovation so overwhelming that even he was stunned, and the announcers had to actually acknowledge it.

But do WWE see this hugely over star, and decide to capitalise on his popularity? No, they see his popularity as a threat, and subsequently bury him. The feud with John Cena that Christian teased for months was scrapped, Christian's T-Shirt (which was actually the highest-selling item of merchandise on Shopzone) stopped being sold, and Christian was shunted over to Smackdown, and left with no meaningful feud or angle. He was basically being punished for his own popularity. Christian had well and truly hit the glass ceiling.

So, the ONLY possible reason for staying in WWE was the money. And then WWE take that away from him as well. So Christian is put in a position where he can go elsewhere. And TNA makes sense. Reports are that, with the reduced contract from WWE, he could make just about as much money in TNA. Plus, TNA shows are always in Florida, where Christian lives - allowing him to spend more time with his wife. With no house shows or touring, Christian has a much reduced workload, but is far more appreciated for the work he DOES do.

Now, there are clues that he has been planning this for a while (he trademarked the name Captain Charisma, for example), and I see it as a good move. While WWE would never make him a top guy, in TNA he is already huge. Rather than being a "WWE reject", he actually chose TNA over WWE. This is a huge turning point for TNA, as well as for Christian himself. Just watch his first appearance at "Genesis". He had to stop talking mid-interview because the cheers were so deafening nobody could hear him speak. He is finally a top guy, getting the recognition he deserved in WWE, but he never got.

And as for those who won't watch TNA, give it a try. Right now it is far, far, far better than the crap WWE is spouting out - and that's coming from someone who has been loyally following WWE (WWF when I started watching) since 1990. Rather than crappy matches and ridiculous storylines dominated by the McMahons, we get some genuinely great wrestling. I'd say that AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe are arguably the three best wrestlers working today - Benoit and Angle would make up the rest of my top 5 - and every PPV seems to have at least one genuine match-of-the-year candidate in it.

And with Christian Cage now in TNA, it can only get better. WWE is getting complacent, letting lazy writing take over, leaving their fans unhappy. The last time they did that was in 1995. Then WCW came damn close to killing them in 1996. I see history beginning to repeat itself...yes DO TRY TNA
trust me my friends if you want "butt kickin' action go to total nonstop action

[Keyser Soze]

Bump...

http://www.tnapics.com/albums/superstars/joe/normal_20.jpg

...Cause Joe just ate your baby.

[TheVileOne]

Anyone else think Joe/AJ II should be the main event at Turning Point?

Just saying at the first Turning Point in 2004 they made the best match, XXX/AMW - Six Sides Of Steel the main event.

[NDX]

This match should headline the event, since most likely 90% of the buyrates will come due to this match.

[Keyser Soze]

Samoa Joe VS AJ Styles will be the match of the night, without a shadow of a doubt. It's the main event in my eyes, at least.

But I don't see it headlining "Turning Point". Jeff Jarrett VS Rhino is the big blow-off to their feud, before Jarrett goes on to feud with Christian Cage or Monty Brown. I'm guessing Monty Brown, who will beat Christian, turn face and win the title from Jarrett. On the othe hand, this is what I'm assuming will be the first (or second, if you count the final of the Daniels Invitational) of several encounters between the two, with their last battle being a gimmick match of sorts which will probably headline whatever PPV it is done at.

The X Division is already well established. What TNA needs to do now is add some more credibillity to the World Title Division, and that means giving it more main event exposure. The best title scenes are always generated by having a pool of top guys, any one of whom could feasibly take the belt at any time. It's better than the current dynamic of "Who's going to job to Jarrett this month?" That's one of TNA's biggest weaknesses. New fans turn on TNA, expecting something completely different from WWE, and find a guy who's worse about clinging onto the world title than HHH.

[Hunter Rider]

Anyone else think Joe/AJ II should be the main event at Turning Point?

Just saying at the first Turning Point in 2004 they made the best match, XXX/AMW - Six Sides Of Steel the main event.

I think it should,The outcome of JJ vs Rhino is almost certain to disapoint where as with AJ/Joe it should be a big result either way and the crowd really don't know who is gonna win
It's gonna be either the 1st defeat for Joe or a very rare clean loss for AJ

Has anyone noticed on the TNA forum how overrated Abyss is ? he is decent for a big guy but some of the marks have him as better than Taker ever was and better than Vader in his prime:confused: :rolleyes:

[Sarge 2.0]

but some of the marks have him as better than Taker ever was Give me their usernames so that I may find them and beat the piss out of them Jay and Silent Bob style. :mad:

[TheVileOne]

I think it should,The outcome of JJ vs Rhino is almost certain to disapoint where as with AJ/Joe it should be a big result either way and the crowd really don't know who is gonna win
It's gonna be either the 1st defeat for Joe or a very rare clean loss for AJ

Has anyone noticed on the TNA forum how overrated Abyss is ? he is decent for a big guy but some of the marks have him as better than Taker ever was and better than Vader in his prime:confused: :rolleyes:

For whatever reason, I can no longer access the TNA forums. Don't know what the heck happened.

Well seeing as to how I believe in the legend of Abyss, I'd say he IS better than Taker, but Vader...that's a bit of a stretch. This year alone I've seen Abyss in more great matches than I ever remember the Undertaker being in. The Undertaker who has been limping on the final years of his career for quite some time. Never putting anyone over either.

[NDX]

Better than Vader in his prime? What the **** are they on? I could use that type of dillusion right now.

I like Abyss, (I have to wait till March to see him live) but he still has a ways to go to reach their levels.

[TheVileOne]

Abyss is bar none the best super heavyweight in pro-wrestling today. I will proclaim at least that much.

[Keyser Soze]

I disagree. That honour goes to Samoa Joe, without a shadow of a doubt.

[Hunter Rider]

I disagree. That honour goes to Samoa Joe, without a shadow of a doubt.
I wouldnt say Samao Joe counts as a superheavyweight at 280lbs and 6'1

As for Abyss,i think he is very overrated,yes he puts a lot of pppl over but he is cumbersome in the ring compared with Taker even now and the matches ive watched of Abyss vs AJ arent as good as this years Taker/Orton matches IMO

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, hunter, maybe Samoa Joe doesn't count as super-heavyweight. I sometimes forget that, since he's often presented as a monster.

[TheVileOne]

Super heavyweights got to be like 6'5" and over 300 lbs.

I'd rather watch matches with AJ/Abyss than boring Taker/Orton matches.

[Sabretooth]

Undertaker is at his best at Wrestlemania.As for the rest of year,meh.He might be more entertaining if he did more than just promos.

[TheVileOne]

I've seen Undertaker in some really lame matches at Mania. Like Mania 19 and 20 were both just bad.

[Hunter Rider]

Super heavyweights got to be like 6'5" and over 300 lbs.

I'd rather watch matches with AJ/Abyss than boring Taker/Orton matches.

Having seen both i have to disagree,AJ has to work really hard in those matches to help Abyss IMO where as Orton/Taker is a smooth combo in the ring
Abyss seems quite cumbersome to me and would only rank about 7th on the top big men list for me

where would you guys put him ?

Now if you'd said Aj vs Daniels is better then i would have to agreehttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[The Ghoul]

1. Undertaker
2. Vader (in his prime... last month was embarassing)
3. Brock Lesner
4. Kane
5. Andre (it would have been higher, but I was really young when he died)
6. King Kong Bundy
7. Big Show (pre fat ass)
8. Abyss
9. Stevie Ray
10 Rick Stiener

[NDX]

Big men list?

1. Andre the Giant (seeing pre-WrestleMania footage truely made him the Eigth Wonder)
2. Undertaker
3. Vader (can't wait to see him tomorrow)
4. Kane
5. Bam Bam Bigelow
6. King Kong Bundy
7. Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy
8. Hulk Hogan (can't deny he was one of the big men for many years)
9. Abyss
10. Haystacks Calhoon
11. Yokozuna
12. Big Show

But then again, "big men" is a subjective term. I would personally never consider certain wrestlers big me, but others would. And people who I would consider big, others wouldn't. All about opinion.

[TheVileOne]

I don't think I'd put either Stevie Ray or Rick Steiner on there.

[Hunter Rider]

My Top 10

1)Vader
2)The Undertaker
3)Brock Lesnar (could have been #1 had he not left so soon)
4)Mike Awesome
5)Bam Bam Bigelow
6)Yokozuna
7)Abyss
8)Kane
9)Big Show
10)Rikishi

[TheVileOne]

Eh, Rikishi was never that good. I'd definitely rank Abyss over Yokozuna. Yokozuna matches tended to suck. And I NEVER saw Yokozuna in a match of the year candidate. Abyss is in great matches every month.

[The Ghoul]

I don't think I'd put either Stevie Ray or Rick Steiner on there.

Why not? they are both 300lb-ders. Stiener is pretty short though.

[3dman27]

now that jackie gayda's in tna who should she feud with traci or gail kim?

[Hunter Rider]

Eh, Rikishi was never that good. I'd definitely rank Abyss over Yokozuna. Yokozuna matches tended to suck. And I NEVER saw Yokozuna in a match of the year candidate. Abyss is in great matches every month.
Well it comes back to the fact i have never seen Abyss in any match i would consider great and with Yoko he had a pretty good move set for a man his size and his mobility again for his size was pretty impressive.

As far as Rikishi goes he had some good matches with Rock,HHH,Angle and Taker plus he did that amazing spot from the top of the cage with Venis and could perform the german suplex with Kurt
when i got to number 10 it was a choice between him Nash and Sid and i think he was better than both

BTW what's your top 10 ?

[Twitch]

now that jackie gayda's in tna who should she feud with traci or gail kim?

I don't think that will happen. I think she's someone that's coming in to control Raven's mind :confused:. It will be cool to see a pyscho Raven :up:

[TheVileOne]

Well it comes back to the fact i have never seen Abyss in any match i would consider great and with Yoko he had a pretty good move set for a man his size and his mobility again for his size was pretty impressive.

He's been in countless great matches this year. Against AJ in the cage at Lockdown. King Of The Mountain at Slammiversary. Against Raven in a dog collar match at No Surrender. Sabu at Unbreakable. Against Lance freakin' Hoyt at Sacrifice. Monster's Ball at Bound For Glory. I can rattle them off all day for Abyss. The man just has it.

As for Yokozuna, pretty much all his matches and PPV matches were garbage. He had some good mobility and matches for his size I suppose, but his time as world champion was some of the worst, and hardly memorable.


As far as Rikishi goes he had some good matches with Rock,HHH,Angle and Taker plus he did that amazing spot from the top of the cage with Venis and could perform the german suplex with Kurt

That doesn't really make him great in my book. He never had one PPV match that could be rated 4 stars.

I never remember him having a good match with Taker either. Plus his signature move is putting his tuckus in someone's face :down .


BTW what's your top 10 ?

I typically don't really care for the super-heavyweights, big men. But if I were to make a list:

1. Big Van Vader
2. Abyss
3. Brock Lesnar
4. Andre The Giant
5. Kane

Something like that, can't think of how to fill the rest out.

[Hunter Rider]

He's been in countless great matches this year. Against AJ in the cage at Lockdown. King Of The Mountain at Slammiversary. Against Raven in a dog collar match at No Surrender. Sabu at Unbreakable. Against Lance freakin' Hoyt at Sacrifice. Monster's Ball at Bound For Glory. I can rattle them off all day for Abyss. The man just has it.

Ive seen his matches with AJ and with Rhino and with Sabin and i didn't see anything remotely great about them,he lumbers around a lot of the time

As for Yokozuna, pretty much all his matches and PPV matches were garbage. He had some good mobility and matches for his size I suppose, but his time as world champion was some of the worst, and hardly memorable.

Well his time as world champ was a very different game to what the buisness is today but some of his matches with Shawn and Bret and Taker were pretty good and some of the moves he did looked great for a big man




That doesn't really make him great in my book. He never had one PPV match that could be rated 4 stars.

I never remember him having a good match with Taker either. Plus his signature move is putting his tuckus in someone's face :down .


No his finishing move was the greetings from asbury Park ripoff and then when he wasn't allowed to do that he used the Bonzai drop,the stinkface was a gimmick for mid match





1. Big Van Vader
2. Abyss
3. Brock Lesnar
4. Andre The Giant
5. Kane


I know your a HUGE TNA loyalist but i can't believe you have Abyss above Taker,Lesnar and Awesome,all have more moves and much better mobility than him

[TheVileOne]

Ive seen his matches with AJ and with Rhino and with Sabin and i didn't see anything remotely great about them,he lumbers around a lot of the time.

He sells for smaller guys quite well. Much like Vader did.


Well his time as world champ was a very different game to what the buisness is today but some of his matches with Shawn and Bret and Taker were pretty good and some of the moves he did looked great for a big man.

What match with Taker? The garbage casket match at Royal Rumble 1994? I saw his matches with Bret, they were nothing special, other than that Bret won the world title finally and ended Yokozuna's reign of waste.


No his finishing move was the greetings from asbury Park ripoff and then when he wasn't allowed to do that he used the Bonzai drop,the stinkface was a gimmick for mid match


Stinkface was still a signature move and a stupid one at that.


I know your a HUGE TNA loyalist but i can't believe you have Abyss above Taker,Lesnar and Awesome,all have more moves and much better mobility than him

Its a number of things. Lesnar bailed after 2 years in the mainstream business. He doesn't have the loyalty or dedication.

I think Undertaker is overrated. And he doesn't have that mobility anymore. His selling and psychology is horrible.

[Hunter Rider]

What match with Taker? The garbage casket match at Royal Rumble 1994? I saw his matches with Bret, they were nothing special, other than that Bret won the world title finally and ended Yokozuna's reign of waste.

The second one he had with Taker at Survvior Series that year



Stinkface was still a signature move and a stupid one at that.

So was the peoples elbow that doesn't mean the Rock wasnt a good performer


Its a number of things. Lesnar bailed after 2 years in the mainstream business. He doesn't have the loyalty or dedication.

That has nothing to do with Talent,we were discussing who was the best big man as a performer not who stays around longest and Lesnar had some awesome matches well above anything Abyss has done


I think Undertaker is overrated. And he doesn't have that mobility anymore. His selling and psychology is horrible.


The overrated part is a personal opinion i guess but i think your just flat out wrong on the other 2 counts,and several top guys have written the complete opposite of what you have just said

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.inyourheadonline.com/index.php?action=show&type=news&id=178


When XXX split,
Primetime wanted the X-Division title, but went into a feud
with Daniels. Skipper says “never say never” when asked
if XXX will reform one day. He notes that right now Low-Ki
is competing in Japan, but may return to TNA in the future.


Interesting interview in total,this part in particular stood out,i has heard TNA will never work with Low-Ki again over some incident that happened last time he was there

[TheVileOne]

Low-Ki doesn't seem interested to go back to TNA either.

[The Ghoul]

that sucks because I really loved Low Ki. I wonder if Amazing Red will ever return.

[Hunter Rider]

that sucks because I really loved Low Ki. I wonder if Amazing Red will ever return.
Amazing Red got hurt a few years ago and he isnt the same anymore

[Eric Draven]

I remember him trying out with the WWE a little while back with his cousins, but that never went anywhere. But yeah, wasn't it knee injuries that brought Red down a bit? :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

I remember him trying out with the WWE a little while back with his cousins, but that never went anywhere. But yeah, wasn't it knee injuries that brought Red down a bit? :confused:

Yeah i believe it was a bad knee injury that slowed him down,i found out when i was reading an interview with Jack Evans who some are worried may end up the same with the insane move set he has

[Eklypze]

man one big guy i always liked was the blue meaney i used to straight mark out for him man

[The Ghoul]

oh **** i totally forgot meanie

new 10 (i actually had to revise it anyway)

1. Mick Foley (he fluxuated his weight but most the times he was a big guy)
2. the Undertaker
3. Blue Meanie
4. Mike Awesome
5. Kane
6. Brock Lesner
7. King Kong Bundy
8. Big Show (again: pre-fatass)
9. Abyss
10. Hardcore Holly (alegidly)

[TheVileOne]

I guess Foley in his Cactus Jack WCW days would count I suppose.

[The Ghoul]

I guess Foley in his Cactus Jack WCW days would count I suppose.

He was also pretty big during his corporate Mankind run. Right around HITC he was about 290

[Hunter Rider]

TNA To Test Barbed Wire Ring Setup This Week

From TNAWrestling.com:

UPDATE ON TNA'S FIRST-EVER "BARBED WIRE MASSACRE"

TNAwrestling.com has learned that this Monday afternoon in Orlando, Florida, prior to the Tuesday "iMPACT!" tapings, the TNA production crew will be fitting the six-sided ring with razor wire in preparation for the upcoming "Barbed Wire Massacre" between Abyss and Sabu at "Turning Point".

The TNA production crew will be charged with setting up the dangerous structure at the Pay-Per-View and is conducting a test-run on Monday. Each member of the ring crew will wear special gloves throughout to avoid any injury. TNA cameras will be on hand to capture the footage, which will air on ?IMPACT!" prior to the Pay-Per-View.

TNAwrestling.com has also learned that both Sabu and Abyss will be allowed to use barbed wire weapons as well during the bloody and barbaric massacre.

The bout will make wrestling history, as it marks the first time a match where the entire ring is wrapped in barbed wire will air live on Pay-Per-View in the United States.

[Sarge 2.0]

I'm digging the Monty Brown/Christian Cage thing right now...I can't wait until they actually wrestle. I also really enjoyed the the AJ/Sabin match, and the 3LK thing...4LK now, I guess.

[NDX]

From what I heard floating around the USA Pro show last night, Amazing Red will be out for a while. He had surgerys on his knees. But this is not really proof, just what was said last night.

[The Ghoul]

Who do you think Raven's opponent be for next weeks CWOHOF match? I hope it's like New Jack or Sandman or someone awesome like that.

[Sarge 2.0]

I was thinking Sandman too.

[Jason Blood]

I was watching iMPACT! last night and Jeff Hardy hit Abyss with a chair and didn't get DQ'ed?

What's the deal with TNA's rules?

[Eklypze]

so how do you guys think they are gonna set up the barbed wire? i mean do you think that they are actually gonna take the ropes down and put up barbed wire in there place or will they just kinda wrap the ropes in barbed wire like some feds have done in the past?

[The Ghoul]

I was watching iMPACT! last night and Jeff Hardy hit Abyss with a chair and didn't get DQ'ed?

What's the deal with TNA's rules?

I don't think there is a DQ rule in TNA. I'm not sure they ever mentioned it but I have seen a lot of weapons used in TNA but never anyone saying he CAN'T do that.

[Sabretooth]

Then why did the ref take it away? :confused:

[Jason Blood]

I don't think there is a DQ rule in TNA. I'm not sure they ever mentioned it but I have seen a lot of weapons used in TNA but never anyone saying he CAN'T do that.

they've always had the rule that the title holder that loses by DQ loses the title

This has happened before and I think it's really dumb

[The Ghoul]

EDIT: I think that was a Russo rule.

[Sabretooth]

they've always had the rule that the title holder that loses by DQ loses the title

This has happened before and I think it's really dumb
I kinda like that rule. I hate how WWE cops out in main events by having the champ win by DQ. EIther have no DQ or have him lose the title by DQ

[Jason Blood]

I kinda like that rule. I hate how WWE cops out in main events by having the champ win by DQ. EIther have no DQ or have him lose the title by DQ

I dunno, I thing I remember hearing about that rule again after Russo

If anything it's the only good thing Russo's ever done for wrestling

[The Ghoul]

I dunno, I thing I remember hearing about that rule again after Russo

If anything it's the only good thing Russo's ever done for wrestling

I'm not gonna touch that. I know when the name vince russo comes up, there is a lot of detractors because people think he killed WCW but I think it was dying before, he just did nothing to help it. but as awriter he is really creative, he just has a tendencie to go overboard in what is creative & what makes no sence. But during early TNA I was really interested in the stories that were coming out, like Raven vs. James Mitchell's Church.

[Eric Draven]

I have only one thing to say regarding Russo's tenure in WCW: Making David Arquette the WCW champion.

And remember his Sports Entertainment eXtreme in TNA? That was basically nothing more than his ripoff of that New Bloods-Millionaire's Club thing in WCW. By the time Russo was ousted out of TNA the first time, that's when I thought the company turned itself around a bit....

[The Ghoul]

i was kinda into sex

[Eric Draven]

The only thing I liked about the group was that it did create the tag team of Triple X. But beyond that, the angle was just typical Russo trash.

[Eklypze]

wasnt russo tha guy that came up with tha storyline in wcw for ric flair being all crazy and shxt?

[Eric Draven]

He also came up with that "brilliant" storyline with David Flair and Stacy Keibler being pregnant. Which thankfully ended before they actually revealed who was the father.

And true to Russo's form, it would've been revealed that Russo was the father and that David and Stacy were actually brother and sister. Yeah, they were going to do an incest angle :down

[Eklypze]

yeah i forgot about david flair all together i dont remember much of the old wcw stuff but i did like the crazy ric flair storyline i thought it was pretty funny

[The Ghoul]

Do you think that with the Rhino vignettes are sign that he is going to win & stay champ.

[TheVileOne]

Nope. Don't think so.

[NDX]

Screw the NWA World Title! He has the UXW Heavyweight Title! Your title is obsolete!

Okay, so I'm still coming of my high from Saturday.

[Hunter Rider]

- According to TNAwrestling.com the March TNA PPV will once again be called Destination X. No location or date for the event has been announced.

- Shoptna.com will have both the Slammiversary and Hard Justice PPV events up for sale on DVD in the next few weeks.

- TNA has confirmed two matches that will take place on this Saturdays iMPACT!. Raven will take on a mystery opponent in a House of Fun Match, and there will be a 4 way dance featuring Petey Williams, Austin Aries, Alex Shelley, and Chris Sabin.

- You can now listen to audio interviews with several TNA wrestlers talking about the Turning Point PPV. These can be found on the Turning Point page at TNAwrestling.com.

- This week "Best of the X Division" is the #7 selling DVD on Videoscan (Sports), "AJ Styles" is ranked #10 and "Jeff Hardy" is #13.

- "My World The Best of Jeff Jarrett" will be released on DVD in early 2006.

[TheVileOne]

A best of Jeff Jarrett DVD wouldn't be very long :p .

[LastSunrise1981]

A best of Jeff Jarrett DVD wouldn't be very long :p .

I can remember only one great match he had and that was against Shawn Michaels in 1995 if I'm not mistaken.

Damn, what could they put on a Jeff Jarrett DVD? His interviews about how he's greatest, never taken a steroid, and how nobody would push him? :p

[Mr. Socko]

I don't get to watch TNA alot, but I've seen a few episodes. It's pretty good, but they need better writers.

[3dman27]

i just watched my tape of last weeks show and the best part was a taste of things to come. jackie gada vs gail kim

[3dman27]

Edit

[3dman27]

EDIT triple post the sites acting up again

[The Ghoul]

The barbed wire is wrapped around the TNA ring right now. TNA did a test run earlier today. No word on if they are going to shoot it as part of an angle tonight or if they will be taking it down.

The Amazing Red is there and will wrestle tonight. (**** yeah!)

Kenny King of Tought Enough 2 fame will wrestle Abyss tonight.

Alex Shelley is scheduled to debut a new gimmick where he runs around with a video camera.

[TheVileOne]

I love Alex Shelley but I'm not sure about this gimmick. They tried that with Kidman in WCW.

I loved Alex Shelley's master of wrestling gimmick when he came back in June.

[The Ghoul]

i think it has the ability to take off. It fits Shelley's eccentric gimmick.

[Hunter Rider]

Shelley,Strong and Aries are getting wasted at the moment IMO

[Eklypze]

speaking of tough enough what the hell ever happened from them dudes from tough enough 3 i thought that Matt dude showed mad potential in the ring

[Eklypze]

speaking of tough enough what the hell ever happened from them dudes from tough enough 3 i thought that Matt dude showed mad potential in the ring

[Hunter Rider]

As noted earlier, Chicago White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski and former wrestler and now White Sox strength coach Dale Torborg will do a segment for the primetime iMPACT! special being taped for tonight.

The Chicago White Sox web site noted this on catcher A.J. Pierzynski at iMPACT tonight: "Without giving away any of the plot, don't look for Pierzynski to take any bumps, bruises or falls during the show."

A pro wrestling hall of famer will also debut for TNA tonight.

Dave Meltzer is reporting that there is something going on with Team 3D and TNA as we speak. The shows today had to be rewritten and apparently there was a major communication issue where they had just left for Japan for the current All Japan Real World Tag League tournament not knowing they were needed for iMPACT!

TNA iMPACT! for this week scored a 0.8 rating.

[TheVileOne]

The hall of famer is Bobby The Brain Heenan.

They really need to get on the ball and make sure situations like with the Dudleyz stop happening. It makes TNA look bush league.