Spider-man 1 vs Spider-man 2

[Red]

although i liked both, i've always enjoyed SM more because, it had a better sorry and "the heart osborn , the heart" which SM2 lacked in my opinion. While SM2 had better action and villian for me the story just wasn't there

thoughts?

[Kmack]

I prefer Spider-man 2 and think it is the superior film. It has better drama, acting, dialogue, better sub plots, action, and a much better villain. And FINALLY the hero gets the girl in the end. Its so rewarding:D

Not to mention the special effects were a lot more convincing:o

[Jasmine]

*points to avatar*

[Gladiator]

I prefer Spider-man 2 and think it is the superior film. It has better drama, acting, dialogue, better sub plots, action, and a much better villain. And FINALLY the hero gets the girl in the end. Its so rewarding:D

Not to mention the special effects were a lot more convincing:o
I agree:up:

[Mike]

I prefer SM1. It just had this fun filled adventerous vibe to it. SM2 had better visuals but it felt too much like a wimps tale. The poetry, the tea talk with Pete and Octavius, the constant moaning wimper of Pete's voice. Oh and the fight between Ock and Spidey was not as brutal as the final battle between GG and Spidey in SM1. SM2 lost the heart and drowned it in sorrow. But SM2 was a good movie, they just need to cut back on the wimpy-ness on Pete's character. It's unrelateable to people who have balls...............The metaphorical balls.:) :up:

[MST3KPIMP]

Spider-man was a meal 'albeit a flawed one' whereas Spidey 2 was simply junk food. Initially satisfying but ultimately unremarkable studio driven product.

[Red]

Spider-man was a meal 'albeit a flawed one' whereas Spidey 2 was simply junk food. Initially satisfying but ultimately unremarkable studio driven product.

agreed :up:

[The Black Mask]

Sm2

[Mr. Socko]

I also thought Spiderman 2 had a better vibe to it, but I loved both films.

[El Payaso]

Spiderman 2 was superior in every aspect.

The first one was pure commercial ****.

[Chris Wallace]

Overall I preferred the second.

[Guason]

Spiderman 2 was superior in every aspect.

The first one was pure commercial ****.
:up::up::up:

[Odin's Lapdog]

first one was definitely better.

better watch, better lessons learned, better ending, better final battle, better love relationship, better finale swinging scenes, better nostalgia rush, better costume, better ability for spidey to actually keep his mask on, better villain portrayal, better set up for sequel, better relations to aunt may and uncle ben, better parker portrayal, less over the top jameson and everyone knows the tension in the tram scene was better than a cliche ridden train stopping exercise (constipated face unfortunately included).

They are both far from perfect, but i think there is far less wrong with spidey one, especially things that could have been easily rectified, such as goblin's costume (which would have done leaps and bounds to impress more for minimal effort).

there's far too much unnecessary scenes in part two i think, and ock doesn't come across well and neither does parker. The fight scenes although great don't reflect well on the characters, and shouldn't be how those two would actually scrap, which is unfortunate and makes doc ock seem a little less dangerous than he actually should be. Especially with the talking tentacles phenomenon.

I tried to watch spidey 2 on sunday and i physically couldn't do it all the way through, far too many things bug me about it, it's an uncomfortable watch.

i'm not saying part one is an easy ride, but i think it's far less jumping and rewards far more in the end then 2 does (stronger film ending in the original after last fight scene)

[Mike]

Yeah the final swinging sequance in SM1 was better. I just felt that Green Goblin was more of a threat than Doc Ock. It also seemed like Maguire was actually in the Spidey costume in SM1.

[spider-jide]

After much painful, multiple viewings of both movies, SM1 is definately the better movie but thats not saying much. The only thing going for sm2 was the short-lived action.

[spider-jide]

Yeah the final swinging sequance in SM1 was better.

Here's the thing about that. The choreography of the last swing in sm2 was much better whereas the actual cgi of the last swing was much better in sm1. In sm2 it looked like ps2 cut-scene graphics whereas in sm1, it looked almost real.

[Red]

Here's the thing about that. The choreography of the last swing in sm2 was much better whereas the actual cgi of the last swing was much better in sm1. In sm2 it looked like ps2 cut-scene graphics whereas in sm1, it looked almost real.

what was going with those helicopers anyway?

[Kevin Roegele]

Neither film is particularly good. Raimi doesn't understand that Spider-Man is a character, an alter ego, not just a mute stuntman/CGI effect with Tobey Maguire's mumbling voiceover occasionally.

[CConn]

Neither film is particularly good. Raimi doesn't understand that Spider-Man is a character, an alter ego, not just a mute stuntman/CGI effect with Tobey Maguire's mumbling voiceover occasionally.If you look at all of the superhero movies made, nailing a character's psychology has never been a strong suit for the industry, sadly. Nearly every superhero movie has missed a part of its main character's personality. Superman and Batman Begins being the only true exceptions.

[spencer6891]

I prefer SM1. It just had this fun filled adventerous vibe to it. SM2 had better visuals but it felt too much like a wimps tale. The poetry, the tea talk with Pete and Octavius, the constant moaning wimper of Pete's voice. Oh and the fight between Ock and Spidey was not as brutal as the final battle between GG and Spidey in SM1. SM2 lost the heart and drowned it in sorrow. But SM2 was a good movie, they just need to cut back on the wimpy-ness on Pete's character. It's unrelateable to people who have balls...............The metaphorical balls.:) :up:


Correct. They turned Peter Parker into an emo pansy. The film was just a giant emo fest. Even the music. I almost expected Peter Parker sit down at his computer and blog about his woes on Myspace. They could have replaced the chocolate cake girl scene with that and it would have been more appropriate.

Perhaps the only reason Pete didn't slash his wrists was that he was afraid of messing up his webshooters.

:mad:

[Infinity9999x]

SM, just because I was in total fan euphoria the first time it came out because I got to actually see a SM film in live action. (those 70's series don't count)

But really, they both had flaws for me. I thought SM move MUCH better, and was more enjoyable. It had less of the dumb peter/gwemj love stuff. And they didn't have useless sences like THE CAKE SENCE. WHY IN GODS NAME WAS THERE A CAKE SENCE. WHY? ehem, neways.

But Spidey2 had moments that drove me mad, the sence above for example,
*everyone and their mothers finding out who peter was

*the overabundance of the Peter was a dork thing...I mean come on, that worked in the first movie because Peter was still a dork in highschool, he's supposed to gain more confidence after being Spidey for a while

*Spidey landing many punches on ock in the face! For one, Spidey shouldn't have been able to get that close, and Ock wouldn't be able to take Spidey flicking him in the nose! The guy can lift up a friggin wall, but he can't knock out a normal human?

*The overextened stares between Peter and GweMJ

*Spidey loosing his powers for no apparent reason

Now SM and SM2 both lacked

*Mary Jane, I still haven't seen her around yet, only a feeble imitation

*Spidey's humor! He's had about 2 or three jokes tops in each movie!

*The Goblin Costume(SM1 only)

and much, much more. They were both enjoyable films, but could have been better. But Really, I thought SM1 was just better written and carried out better.


One of the changes I actually didn't mind was the organic webshooters. Because really, it was stupid of Stan to leave those out to begin with. It's like, ya lets give this guy all the powers of a spider....but the web...which is only one of a spider's major charateristics. Yes, not very well thought out. If they had wanted to show Pete's scientific brilliance, they could have made wrist appendages that controlled the shape/size of his webbing, and maybe added chemicals to it to fight diffrent foes(acid webbing for Rhino's suit, hardening webbing for Sandman...ect)

[spencer6891]

I'm with you there--I didn't find the organics a problem at all. It does seem that if you are going to create a Spider-man, that he would shoot webs naturally.

I'm also one of the few who was not bothered by Gobby's costume. It worked in the context of the film, and Dafoe still played a very badass, sinister Goblin.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm with you there--I didn't find the organics a problem at all. It does seem that if you are going to create a Spider-man, that he would shoot webs naturally.

I'm also one of the few who was not bothered by Gobby's costume. It worked in the context of the film, and Dafoe still played a very badass, sinister Goblin.
You're not alone.
When it's all said & done, I think the second film was vastly superior but things like"Who am I? You sure you wanna know?"/"I missed the part where that's my problem"/"We'll meet again, Spider-man!"/"Godspeed, Spider-man"/"This is my gift; my curse. Who am I? I'm Spider-man."-will always hold a special place in my heart. :spidey:

[ZER0C00L]

they both are alright. i still dont think either movie is a good representation of the character.

[WhiteRat]

They sure aren't a good representation of his character.They were both dissapointments but I will take sm2 over sm 1.The story and dialouge for sm 2 wasnt near as horrible as the first one.Plus the special effects for the first one were really cheesy.Not so with the second.The first one had way more negatives than positives to enjoy it at all where the second had more positives than negatives so i say sm 2.

[Kevin Roegele]

They're both flimsy films that entertain audiences first time but crumble under repeat viewing. I thought Spidey 2 was a huge improvement when I saw it at the cinema, but I find it hard to watch now. They only resemble the comicbook superficially. The only genuinely effective moment in either film is the train fight, but even that is ruined by Raimi's appaling lack of taste and subtlety when Spidey saves the train.

[spider-jide]

If you look at all of the superhero movies made, nailing a character's psychology has never been a strong suit for the industry, sadly. Nearly every superhero movie has missed a part of its main character's personality. Superman and Batman Begins being the only true exceptions.

As bad as F4 was, many would argue that Johnny Storm's character was spot on.

[Go God Go!]

Spider-Man 2, I'd say.

[hulkamania85]

Correct. They turned Peter Parker into an emo pansy. The film was just a giant emo fest. Even the music. I almost expected Peter Parker sit down at his computer and blog about his woes on Myspace. They could have replaced the chocolate cake girl scene with that and it would have been more appropriate.

Perhaps the only reason Pete didn't slash his wrists was that he was afraid of messing up his webshooters.

:mad:

Yeah Peter did seem just a tad too emo in this one.

I like the first Spider-Man just a bit more. I thought the love story was handled well in the first one but it got too lame in the second one. MJ getting married? Isn't she supposed to be like 20? As far as villains go Green Goblin was a lot more menacing.

[webhead731]

Those are hard choices. I guess I'll vote for Spider-Man. I liked them both the same, but Green Goblin was always my favorite villain, and I also like Doc Ock, but I like Green Goblin just a bit more. So Spider-Man gets my vote.:spidey:

[Sentinel X]

first one was definitely better.

better watch, better lessons learned, better ending, better final battle, better love relationship, better finale swinging scenes, better nostalgia rush, better costume, better ability for spidey to actually keep his mask on, better villain portrayal, better set up for sequel, better relations to aunt may and uncle ben, better parker portrayal, less over the top jameson and everyone knows the tension in the tram scene was better than a cliche ridden train stopping exercise (constipated face unfortunately included).

They are both far from perfect, but i think there is far less wrong with spidey one, especially things that could have been easily rectified, such as goblin's costume (which would have done leaps and bounds to impress more for minimal effort).

there's far too much unnecessary scenes in part two i think, and ock doesn't come across well and neither does parker. The fight scenes although great don't reflect well on the characters, and shouldn't be how those two would actually scrap, which is unfortunate and makes doc ock seem a little less dangerous than he actually should be. Especially with the talking tentacles phenomenon.

I tried to watch spidey 2 on sunday and i physically couldn't do it all the way through, far too many things bug me about it, it's an uncomfortable watch.

i'm not saying part one is an easy ride, but i think it's far less jumping and rewards far more in the end then 2 does (stronger film ending in the original after last fight scene)Im agreeing with you 110 % there!!...SM was simply superior in every standard,yes even the CGI.The CGI in 2002's SM was fresh and different and captivated everyone and for that time was AMAZING but the CGI in SM2 was "been there done that" and 2 months later there were films with much better CGI.

[FNSpider-man]

I liked both movies, Both had their good and bad, but I htink just because it had been such a long wait, I liked the first one better, it was more of a fun likeable movie, the 2nd one may have tried to get a lil too deep even. And I dont think either one did a great job with the normal Spidey dialogue, he needs to have more dialogue during battle. Looking forward to #3 tho, and hoping its an all out action romp!!

[Mike]

Did anyone notice there was more action in SM1 than in SM2. It also had more quips.

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

Batman begins lol just playin I liked part one better, at least if he was a little emotional you could understand , his life changed alot with getting bit, uncle ben dying ,the guilt he felt but you would think in part 2 he would be able to cope with things a little better, instead there is one part were he is just sitting on his bed and looks so sad, I expected him to rap his lips around a revolver and blow his head off

[Red]

Le bump.

[Lex Luthor]

I really enjoyed Spider-Man, but ultimately I think Spider-Man 2 was just a tad better than the original.

[webhead731]

Old thread lol.

[Red]

That a problem?

[Cinemaman]

Spider-man 2 is one of the best sequels :up:

[Extra #6 in BB]

I liked the original Spiderman more. It could be because I had high expectations for the sequel, and not so high for the first, but I'm sticking with SM!:spidey:

[Aren]

My vote goes for Spider-Man 2, I think it had a better story with better evolved characters

[Drago]

Loved Spidey 2, and I think Spidey 1 is overrated (I think it's kind of the average action flick, unlike Spidey 2). I do prefer the action scenes in Spidey 1 though, where it isn't so CG.

I'm surprised to see so many Spider-Man 2 supporters here... I remember people complaining during its release that it was boring, not 'actiony' enough, etc.

[TheFlyinRussian]

I can't imagine watching a movie with some of the people that posted here.

[Bat Attack]

Spider-Man 2

[Malone]

I liked Spiderman 1. In my opinion, it was perfect. Good actors, good visuals, excellent plot. I loved it. It is my favorite comic book movie.

[Drago]

I can't imagine watching a movie with some of the people that posted here.

Are you Spidey 1 or Spidey 2? Just wondering

[CletusCassidy]

which one is best?

[DACrowe]

2, by far.

[J. J. Jameson]

2


Because Ock Rules

[Red]

I think you missed this

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201323

[webhead731]

It's hard. I like them both alot. Green Goblin is my favorite villain but Doc Ock is cool too.

Spider-Man 2 I guess. Because Doc Ock didn't have as many corny lines as Green Goblin.

[Red]

Bump.

[J. J. Jameson]

I think you missed this

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201323

How 'bout that?

[Bat Attack]

Spidey 2, I found it alot more enjoyable, the effects were better, as was acting, and the story. I just loved everything about it. :spidey:

[CConn]

2. I was rather unimpressed when I first saw SM1. My appreciation of it has grown since then, but SM2 was the one that really blew me away.

[DACrowe]

I'm the opposite after 2 and BB (and X2) my appreciation for SM1 has diminished. I respect it for nailing the origin and doing it justice and having a great cast (Willem DAfoe was brilliant) but the script was too by the numbers and cliche after the first act and the diologue was TERRIBLE. Plus very few scenes were allowed to breathe naturally. You didn't have the scene where Peter tells Aunt May about his helping in Uncle Ben's demise, the choclate cake scene and so on, those were very poignant in the second and while some fans feel they slow that movie down, I think it richens it. And Peter and MJ while melodramatic feel real in the second and less....contrived.

But the first did have the better villain, a great origin and laid the groundwork quite well while delivering some stellar action that captured the spirit of early Lee comics (when he was learning the ropes). But the second is just SO MUCH BETTER.

[Dr.Dude]

Spider-Man 2, by far. The first was terrific.... but the second one just nailed it.

[deathshead2]

spider-man 1 was great spider-man 2 was one of those few films that I wanted to just get up and leave.

[webhead731]

You didn't like it?

Any certain reason why?

[deathshead2]

You didn't like it?

Any certain reason why?Its been so long sense i've seen it I can't really remember.

[Red]

Hello!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201323

[arachnid-guy]

Hello!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201323

Hiya!

[Red]

Fine, whatever I'll contact a mod to merge.

[lokisixnine]

sweet avatar webhead

[webhead731]

Thanks.:D

Thank Mr Lex Luthor for making it.

[ReptileOrion]

I'm also one of the few who was not bothered by Gobby's costume. It worked in the context of the film, and Dafoe still played a very badass, sinister Goblin.

The Goblin costume didn't bother me one bit. I do watch the first movie more than the second. I loved Dafoe portrayal of the Goblin. He was a constant threat to Spidey the entire movie. I enjoy both of the films but I saw the first movie more in the theatres and it is in my DVD player more often than part 2.

[Doctor Octopus]

but I saw the first movie more in the theatres and it is in my DVD player more often than part 2.

It's funny, I'm the exact opposite. I saw SM-2 in the theatre way more times than I saw SM-1.

And I rarely watch SM-1 anymore. But SM-2 is frequently in my DVD player :)

[Infinity9999x]

I liked SM better. I thought the storyline was better, and the portrayal of Norman was much more true to the character then that of Ock in SM2. Sans his GG costume of course.

Aside from that, SM2 didn't fix issues I expected them to fix, Spidey's lack of humor, making Peter Parker evolve from less of a Dork, making MJ actually act like MJ...and since they didn't fix those things, it got me angry. Basically it's the same situation I had with the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Dead Man's chest was good, but not as good as the first. Though, if I hadn't seen the first, I would have probably loved Dead Man's Chest.

If I hadn't seen SM1 I would have loved SM2, but since I saw SM1, my standards were higher and they failed to meet my standards.

[Shadow_Knight]

Spider-Man 1 I watched part 2 too much.

[The Caped Knight]

Spidey 2 rocks .

[sevinw0rds]

based purely on the fact that, at that time, I had never ever been more hyped for a movie in the history of existence, I went with Spidey 1. I also share an above-noted sentiment that it was dissapointing that part 2 didn't even begin to touch the subject of Spidey being more verbose in action or throwing a few jokes out there...that stuff to me is so essential to my reverence for :spidey:

any word on whether they'll touch on that in 3 yet?

[Symbiote Hulk]

Vote: Spider-Man 2

[Yurka]

I dont think SM1 is a very great movie, sure its good but there are some moments that are really dumb that shouldnt be in it and it ruins it for me. SM2 in my opinion, is incredible, I dont think there is anything wrong with that movie.

my vote, obviously SM2

[Spoarz™]

I love both movies, though I feel Spider-man 2 is superior thanks to Alfred Molina's performance as Doc Ock, which is just superb. Plus, it features my favourite comic book action sequence, which is the clock tower/train fight sequence. :up:

[FaT_tONle]

SM2 had the better plot... SM 1 was get really exciting and exhilerating... SM2 is clearly the better picture

[Lex Luthor]

Both are great.

But SM2 was a better movie I felt. Actually, it's one of the few movies I have gone and seen on opening night where the audience actually clapped at the end of it. And thats not something that is common where I live at. So yeah, SM2 it is.

[weezerspider]

Both are great.



Agreed!:up:

I Like Sm2 better mostly because the origin was out of the way, so I got to jump right in to Peter as Spiderman. I am in No means saying their shouldn't be origins{Thats just extremely stupid}, I just like getting to the hero Vs Villain plot quicker. Anyway, I also just found more entertaining, I really don't know why. But SM1 Still is kick @ss!

[Cyrusbales]

SM has a better villain, I like doc ock, but he wasn't evil, he wasn't really much of a villain, just a guy trying to do something, not a killer like osborn. Aso the 'you have to get through us' patriotism in SM2 is sickening, the comics showed the power of the media by making people hate spider-man(especially in the 90's animated series). the whole post 9/11 togetherness of SM2 was rather annoying, although there are bits llike that in the first, the villain is just so much more potent.

[Sakuraba]

I really don't like looking at it as two different movies. As two separate films, Spider-Man 2 is much better. But how can I denie the original's contribution to its sequel? :confused:

[The Kid]

Both films suffer from the same boring crap of a main character that is Peter parker in these movies. Tobey just can't carry these films, sorry. But where they excell and where I think the reason they're overrated is with the excellent performers as the villains. People more or less I think come away remembering these villains more than anything about boring dull spider-man HE'S AIR, HE'S AS GOOD AS AIR and that's kinda kills my soul inside because of the wasted potential

So Both have great villains. The second I'd put a slight notch above the first for not having a crappy costume and some great lines. BUTTERFINGERS!

My vote's for sm2... but don't get me wrong, both movies are overrated, but the second one I'll give a better rating than the first for being of better quality.

[Kevin Roegele]

What pleases me is that you can clearly see Raimi's attempts to improve on the first movie in Spider-Man 2 (whether you think he did or not).

[LexCorp]

although i liked both, i've always enjoyed SM more because, it had a better sorry and "the heart osborn , the heart" which SM2 lacked in my opinion. While SM2 had better action and villian for me the story just wasn't there

thoughts?

I would agree with that. I thought that SM had more depth to it. SM2 was a filler movie, while great it was only a steping stone to what I think will be the better film SM3.

[November Rain]

I think a lot of people have been thrown into the 'mainstream viewing audience' and forgotten their comic book character when they watch the second film.

parker didn't grow in the second film, even with all his life experience and crime fighting. If anything he went back to how he used to be, putting his feelings for MJ first above all else and guess what, crap hits the fan, again.

his relationship with Doc Ock as a mentor is highly flawed and not truelly examined, he could have used reason to deal with him a long time ago but instead decides to fight him three times before that sets in his head. I mean it doesn't take a genius to work that out, parker tried it after his very first encounter with ock in the animated series. Much faster learner me thinks.

while ock did look more pleasing to the eye than the goblin and the CGi based fights were improvements, these played small parts in teh film. Ock wasn't on for as long as Osbourne, or at least i didnt feel he had the same impact. At the end of the day, he was harry's lackey doing his bidding and i just can't see ock being anyone's lackey.

as for parker's coming round to going out with MJ. The girl's just left her husban at the alter, her emotions are everywhere, it never comes into play, nothing has changed significantly in his life for him to believe that it is now ok for him to be with MJ, it's not like he's lost someone and now thinks Carpe Deum (sp?).


Not to mention the appauling gimmick of loss of power and its effect on his fighting that the film spent so much time explaining but will NEVER BE SHOWN AGAIN. even though it shows that his affection for MJ does have an affect on his abilities, it seems that now that they are together it will simply be retconned and his powers will always be fine. bah.


The worst thing of all, is that i feel that the third film will continue down this crazy line of story telling where we have this character as spider-man but he isn't the peter parker that i read about as a child, rather this horny love sick pervert who got bit by a spider and gets walked over by everyone in his real life. A sissy boy in a costume. Saying this, it will probably make his trancision into a mean hearted person more obvious on screen so everyone and their grandma knows what is happening.

it's such a shame that i feel that the animated versions of parker's origin (with turning point), armed and dangerous and the alien costume trilogy are basically going to be versions of the three films we have and that each one will be surpassed by animation created nearly a decade beforehand.

:down

as childish people say cartoons are, i feel these films are far worse at many many points and it doesn't even come off as funny since we are laughing 'at' the character rather than with him.

[LexCorp]

his relationship with Doc Ock as a mentor is highly flawed and not truelly examined, he could have used reason to deal with him a long time ago but instead decides to fight him three times before that sets in his head. I mean it doesn't take a genius to work that out, parker tried it after his very first encounter with ock in the animated series. Much faster learner me thinks.


Yep I agree. I would of liked to see more Spidy/DocOck head time. They had what..lunch together at the beginning of the film. The bound was formed, yeah right :o

[The Joker]

as childish people say cartoons are, i feel these films are far worse at many many points and it doesn't even come off as funny since we are laughing 'at' the character rather than with him.

Darn tootin' :up:

Armed and Dangerous is still the best on screen adaption of Doctor Octopus. And it all happened in 20 minutes. More than what SM-2 could do in 2 hours with millions of dollars.

[LexCorp]

Not to mention the appauling gimmick of loss of power and its effect on his fighting that the film spent so much time explaining but will NEVER BE SHOWN AGAIN. even though it shows that his affection for MJ does have an affect on his abilities, it seems that now that they are together it will simply be retconned and his powers will always be fine. bah.


Yeah that was so stupid. I hate it when that happens. Not even explained either.

[November Rain]

Yep I agree. I would of liked to see more Spidy/DocOck head time. They had what..lunch together at the beginning of the film. The bound was formed, yeah right :oarmed and dangerous managed to show the relation they had as a student and a mentor while also managing to show peter's intellect as a scientist and also his cunning by figuring out ock was trying to trick him to see if he was genuinely a fan of his work.

Pete also questioned ock's knowledge and confirmed his place as a man when under the eyes of jameson and felicia, he risked his own life to stand up to ock and his way (before changing into spidey).

movie spidey in both instances would have probably hidden under a table. The perfect opportunity to show this in the film would be in the bank scene when he first sees ock and asks what he is doing. Parker could have easily been thrown to one side, changed, did his bit and returned but instead he comes across as a coward for leaving his aunt in the line of danger and running away. bah.

There are so many levels to these characters and they simply choose to show the easiest ones every time. It's very annoying.

[LexCorp]

armed and dangerous managed to show the relation they had as a student and a mentor while also managing to show peter's intellect as a scientist and also his cunning by figuring out ock was trying to trick him to see if he was genuinely a fan of his work.

Pete also questioned ock's knowledge and confirmed his place as a man when under the eyes of jameson and felicia, he risked his own life to stand up to ock and his way (before changing into spidey).

movie spidey in both instances would have probably hidden under a table. The perfect opportunity to show this in the film would be in the bank scene when he first sees ock and asks what he is doing. Parker could have easily been thrown to one side, changed, did his bit and returned but instead he comes across as a coward for leaving his aunt in the line of danger and running away. bah.

There are so many levels to these characters and they simply choose to show the easiest ones every time. It's very annoying.

It does start to go back to the arguement that maybe some big shots are just making movies like this to cash in but it's all in the eye of the beholder I guess.

[November Rain]

Darn tootin' :up:

Armed and Dangerous is still the best on screen adaption of Doctor Octopus. And it all happened in 20 minutes. More than what SM-2 could do in 2 hours with millions of dollars.to be honestly fair, the whole power loss issue didnt need to be in the film at all and merely stole from perfect ock time. It's not like ock couldn't handle a whole film.

Instead they carry on with this meaningless power loss which on the grand scale of things doesn't mean jack anymore since it's (seemingly) resolved forever never to be spoken of again.

I mean it's not even as if it's the usual reason for spidey to give up (ie the ones he hurts or innocents always get in the way when spidey's around), We all know spidey is supposed to be driven by guilt but i just don't see it. The fact that his aunt got attacked in the first film AND still he wants to be with MJ and he never EVER brings it up as a solid reason as to why they can't be together annoys me so much. it's like he has selective memory, heck he doesn't even bring up having her fall to her doom and how he almost lost her.

hey you know what the best part of armed and dangerous is, Robbie's conversation with spidey. Pete's reaction to that is of sheer disappointment, it's so good i'm teary eyed writing about it.

Not only that but he manages to pick himself off with it and take the challenge on from a different angle. that's the essential motto of the first ock encounter re-told perfectly in almost every format.

[November Rain]

It does start to go back to the arguement that maybe some big shots are just making movies like this to cash in but it's all in the eye of the beholder I guess.comics are made to make money, it's all about money at the core....

tellling a good tale, especially now takes a backseat, especially since people consider a good tale to be a shocking one where people will buy it but it's quite clear that shock factor that brings on high sales do not always represent high quality story telling...

as far as the films go, they are there to make money like any other business. There's a part of me as a fan who says we should be thankful that they havent altered as much as they already have and it could easily be worse.

that's the dillemma, it could easily be worse but much more easily be better, it's very annoying.

I do hold the point that if i wish to hear about the spidey and tales I like, i can pick up my old comics and re-live them. This is one of the reasons why both films seem to be collecting dust on my shelf at the mo.

saying this, spidey 1 although older has less dust because there are glimmers or specs of pete and norman and others there. saying this, it's still a decent amount of dust, I mean i haven't watched spiderman 2 all the way through since the summer it came out, just bits and bobs to properly analyse, it makes me shudder.

:o

[LexCorp]

comics are made to make money, it's all about money at the core....

tellling a good tale, especially now takes a backseat, especially since people consider a good tale to be a shocking one where people will buy it but it's quite clear that shock factor that brings on high sales do not always represent high quality story telling...

as far as the films go, they are there to make money like any other business. There's a part of me as a fan who says we should be thankful that they havent altered as much as they already have and it could easily be worse.

that's the dillemma, it could easily be worse but much more easily be better, it's very annoying.

I do hold the point that if i wish to hear about the spidey and tales I like, i can pick up my old comics and re-live them. This is one of the reasons why both films seem to be collecting dust on my shelf at the mo.

saying this, spidey 1 although older has less dust because there are glimmers or specs of pete and norman and others there. saying this, it's still a decent amount of dust, I mean i haven't watched spiderman 2 all the way through since the summer it came out, just bits and bobs to properly analyse, it makes me shudder.

:o

Such is the fickle life of movie comics.

[Chris Wallace]

Moviegoers have always been & will always be fickle.

[Kevin Roegele]

Some of Spidey 2 is great - mainly the action. Some little dramatic scenes, like May giving Peter the $20, are very effective. All the scens with Harry (except his lame and unconvincing reaction to unmasking Spidey) are good.

However, Raimi has absolutely no taste and no subtlety. MJ's long speech to Peter at the end and his reply ("Thank you Mary-Jane Watson") is embarassingly bad. I could honestly believe a love-sick 13-year old girl wrote it. A lot of the shots in the movie, despite Bill Pope's cinematography, are ugly and bland. Raimi is not a man who understands the scope of true cinema.

[Spider-ManHero12]

What pleases me is that you can clearly see Raimi's attempts to improve on the first movie in Spider-Man 2 (whether you think he did or not). spiderman1 was great, spiderman2 beat it, even tobey said it.

[slmon]

You're not alone.
When it's all said & done, I think the second film was vastly superior but things like"Who am I? You sure you wanna know?"/"I missed the part where that's my problem"/"We'll meet again, Spider-man!"/"Godspeed, Spider-man"/"This is my gift; my curse. Who am I? I'm Spider-man."-will always hold a special place in my heart. :spidey:

Amen to that last bit, especially since he regressed so badly in Spider-man 2. 2 also had way too much Peter/MJ angst.:whatever:

[Secret_Riddle]

spider-man 2 was better:)

[lordofthenerds]

Both were entertaing and great movies, but Spider-Man 2 was a little better overall. Plus the Dock vs. Spidey fights in 2 were kick ass.

[Cyrusbales]

Doc ock for me wasn't a good badguy, in terms that he was actually a good guy in a way! Green goblin was just such an evil psycho! That made me happy!

[gliderpilotgirl]

I am not sure which I liked better, probably Spider-man 1. It had a more light-hearted feel to it, Kirsten was probably more MJ'ish in that one ( the party girl facade ) and the whole Spider-man-MJ-Peter love triangle. I loved the "Spidey the dashing mystery man" angle, and that famous upside down kiss was fantastic. Now, THAT is how you do a superhero romance.
That being said, SM2 was great too, but in a different way, while movie Peter is different from 616 Peter, they really captured the "every-man, late with his bills, struggling and failing at his dual life." thing that makes Peter who he is. ( or was, in early ASM ) I loved the web scene at the end, but the romance was lacking in this one, and so was the chemistry.

[Dark Phantom]

Doc ock for me wasn't a good badguy, in terms that he was actually a good guy in a way! Green goblin was just such an evil psycho! That made me happy!

Agreed. Doc Ock turning back to good at the end ruined it for me. I mean, sometimes in movies we want to see the villian learn the error of his ways and become good again, but SM2 made me realize that doesn't always work. it was a cheap ending for Ock, when he should have ended as the mighty and powerful Doc Ock who was again foiled by Spiderman.

Now with Green Goblin, he was a menacing villian. The difference is Doc Ock was an engine of destruction whereas GG had it personal with Spiderman. So what do you chose? Cool action over suspenseful drama? I'd chose suspenseful drama which SM1 definately had!

[Cyrusbales]

Agreed. Doc Ock turning back to good at the end ruined it for me. I mean, sometimes in movies we want to see the villian learn the error of his ways and become good again, but SM2 made me realize that doesn't always work. it was a cheap ending for Ock, when he should have ended as the mighty and powerful Doc Ock who was again foiled by Spiderman.

Now with Green Goblin, he was a menacing villian. The difference is Doc Ock was an engine of destruction whereas GG had it personal with Spiderman. So what do you chose? Cool action over suspenseful drama? I'd chose suspenseful drama which SM1 definately had!

Agreed, I think overall, SM had a much better story and general character, by the end of SM2 I just hated every moment that Harry was on screen, not to mention the horrible 'pizza boy' job that peter gets, it's simple slapstic, not worthy of one of the finest characters ever committed to paper...

[zer00]

Agreed, I think overall, SM had a much better story and general character, by the end of SM2 I just hated every moment that Harry was on screen, not to mention the horrible 'pizza boy' job that peter gets, it's simple slapstic, not worthy of one of the finest characters ever committed to paper...

You're very stupid

[Cyrusbales]

You're very stupid

How you figure that one out? Nice to see people still respect other opinions and maintain a high level of manners on SHH...

[zer00]

How you figure that one out? Nice to see people still respect other opinions and maintain a high level of manners on SHH...

Don't make me quote myself again.

[Cyrusbales]

Don't make me quote myself again.

Wow, you really put forward a solid argument:whatever:

[zer00]

Wow, you really put forward a solid argument:whatever:

What the **** did I just say.

[Cyrusbales]

What the **** did I just say.

Nothing, that's my point, at least attempt a discussion, i'm sure you could give it a whirl

[CConn]

...did someone mention Robert Wuhl?

[zer00]

Nothing, that's my point, at least attempt a discussion, i'm sure you could give it a whirl
Thank you. My original point is proven. I take leave now.

*puff of smoke*

[Cyrusbales]

Thank you. My original point is proven. I take leave now.

*puff of smoke*

A poof of smoke? lol, sorry I couldn't help it. Moving on..... SM1 is beter than SM2

[CConn]

Waitasecond...Cyrusbales, you were asking for a discussion about whether or not you're stupid?

If so, that's awesome. You should make a thread.

[Cyrusbales]

Waitasecond...Cyrusbales, you were asking for a discussion about whether or not you're stupid?

If so, that's awesome. You should make a thread.

I was asking why he came to that conclusion? Surely someone who thinks opinion is objective is stupid? So i was curious as to why someone would insinuate that?

[CConn]

Hence why you should make a thread.

[Cyrusbales]

Hence why you should make a thread.

that would seem somewhat insulting me thinks. and i'm sure he could give a simple answer, he seems to be good at simple, lol

[lizard855]

I like sm2 more because i thought it had a better villian and I thought the fights were cooler

[Cyrusbales]

I liked doc ock, but he didn't seem like a villain, just a guy who wanted to do good, but was misguided by the AI, there wasn't the pure menace of the GG

[The Joker]

Ock came off much better on screen than GG IMO. Even though they altered his comic book character.

He looked completely badass, was very menacing when he was in villain mode: "Find him, or I'll peel the flesh off her bones" etc, and he was a huge threat to the entire city rebuilding his reactor of doom.

Dafoe was great as Osborn, but GG was a cheese ball in a horrible costume. "We'll meet again Spider-Man" "No one says no to me" "The itsy bitsy spider went up the water spout". Yeeeeesh.

His scenes as Norman were far more effective.

But both Ock and GG were nowhere near as great as they could have been.

SM-1 also had too much establishing of stuff. Not that it wasn't good, but SM-2 allowed the characters to spread their wings more. Harry, Aunt May, Jonah etc all had bigger roles and better scenes in SM-2.

[Cyrusbales]

Ock came off much better on screen than GG IMO. Even though they altered his comic book character.

He looked completely badass, was very menacing when he was in villain mode: "Find him, or I'll peel the flesh off her bones" etc, and he was a huge threat to the entire city rebuilding his reactor of doom.

Dafoe was great as Osborn, but GG was a cheese ball in a horrible costume. "We'll meet again Spider-Man" "No one says no to me" "The itsy bitsy spider went up the water spout". Yeeeeesh.

His scenes as Norman were far more effective.

But both Ock and GG were nowhere near as great as they could have been.

SM-1 also had too much establishing of stuff. Not that it wasn't good, but SM-2 allowed the characters to spread their wings more. Harry, Aunt May, Jonah etc all had bigger roles and better scenes in SM-2.

I agree that the visual prowess of Ock was vastly superior, (excepts his man tits, lol), but I liked the cheesey lines, it somehow made GG more sinister, in that he could make jokes whilst being a psychotic madman(like the joker), and it reminded me of some of the dialogue in the comics.

As for establishing stuff goes, there were a few bits I didn't like, but the first time Peter climbs up the wall has become an icon of modern cinema. I also hated what happened to Harry's character in SM2, he became 2-dimensional and I couldn't really be bothered with him on screen.

Also the soundtrack for SM2 was very much worse than SM1, although SM2 does have the better set piece(the car through the window), although after that spectacle of SFX, the few minutes after are rather anti-climactic, I felt SM1 was more consistant

[November Rain]

Ock came off much better on screen than GG IMO. Even though they altered his comic book character.

He looked completely badass, was very menacing when he was in villain mode: "Find him, or I'll peel the flesh off her bones" etc, and he was a huge threat to the entire city rebuilding his reactor of doom.

Dafoe was great as Osborn, but GG was a cheese ball in a horrible costume. "We'll meet again Spider-Man" "No one says no to me" "The itsy bitsy spider went up the water spout". Yeeeeesh.

His scenes as Norman were far more effective.

But both Ock and GG were nowhere near as great as they could have been.

SM-1 also had too much establishing of stuff. Not that it wasn't good, but SM-2 allowed the characters to spread their wings more. Harry, Aunt May, Jonah etc all had bigger roles and better scenes in SM-2.heh, reactor of doom....

hehehehe....

[The Joker]

but I liked the cheesey lines, it somehow made GG more sinister, in that he could make jokes whilst being a psychotic madman(like the joker), and it reminded me of some of the dialogue in the comics.

But with the Joker, his lines are actually sinisterly funny and cool, and when Joker says these lines, he's trying to be funny as well as serious.

GG was actually serious when he was saying his cheesy lines. I half expected him to wave his fist in anger when he told Spider-Man they'd meet again :-\

As for establishing stuff goes, there were a few bits I didn't like, but the first time Peter climbs up the wall has become an icon of modern cinema. I also hated what happened to Harry's character in SM2, he became 2-dimensional and I couldn't really be bothered with him on screen.

You found Harry 2 dimensional in SM-2?? Wow, then I expect you'll find him one dimensional in SM-3.

Also the soundtrack for SM2 was very much worse than SM1

I don't judge movies by the end of credits soundtracks. If I did, alot of the great movies would be deemed bad :cwink:

The actual music for the movie was the same as SM-1.

although SM2 does have the better set piece(the car through the window), although after that spectacle of SFX, the few minutes after are rather anti-climactic, I felt SM1 was more consistant

SM-2 outdoes SM-1 in all the SFX department. So great was the SFX that it scooped SM-2 an Academy Award. No small feat for a superhero movie.

Your standards for what is impressive seem to be different to most. But to each his own :yay:

The end swing sequence for SM-1 looked way better than SM-2's though.

[Cyrusbales]

But with the Joker, his lines are actually sinisterly funny and cool, and when Joker says these lines, he's trying to be funny as well as serious.

GG was actually serious when he was saying his cheesy lines. I half expected him to wave his fist in anger when he told Spider-Man they'd meet again :-\



You found Harry 2 dimensional in SM-2?? Wow, then I expect you'll find him one dimensional in SM-3.



I don't judge movies by the end of credits soundtracks. If I did, alot of the great movies would be deemed bad :cwink:

The actual music for the movie was the same as SM-1.



SM-2 outdoes SM-1 in all the SFX department. So great was the SFX that it scooped SM-2 an Academy Award. No small feat for a superhero movie.

Your standards for what is impressive seem to be different to most. But to each his own :yay:

The end swing sequence for SM-1 looked way better than SM-2's though.

GG is insane, give him a break! I thought it was a very acknowledgement to the comics, with some of the lines, and the self awareness of the characters situations.

And we all knew EXACTLY what Harry was going to do throughout the entirity of SM2, I think in SM3, he'll be a lot less predictable, and the MJ's character was rather annoying in SM2, but I think SM3 will outdo both it's predecessors in both our opinions:)

[OctoHaz]

I agree that the visual prowess of Ock was vastly superior, (excepts his man tits, lol)

Hey, respect for the manboobs, dude! :woot:

I like SM 2 more; as much as I adore Willem Defoe (and he was a great Norman Osborn), Alfred Molina simply owned the screen every time he stepped in front of the camera. The tentacles were incredibly well-realized and the fights were superb. Harry's a whiny biotch, but Harry's always kinda been a whiny biotch, heh.

[Dark Phantom]

See, I would rate Spiderman 2 much higher if its execution of the plot was alot better. Let me explain, the concept of SM2 was overall great. Many high expectations were made from where SM1 left off to develop into the sequel. However I was dissapointed because of the failed execution of the sequel's concept.

It was almost as if SM2 didn't take itself too seriously. I admit it did have its moments. But there were alot of unneccessary scenes that could have been delt away with and replaced with better ones. My problem was how Sam Raimi forced funny scenes. All of the funny scenes in SM1 didn't seem forced at all, it flowed quite well and blended in with the story. However SM2 had humor that just randomly popped out of no where and it's like "Audience, this is the joke. Laugh at it."

Am I wrong? I mean, I like light humor in superhero movies as much as the next guy, but some scenes in Spiderman 2 were so random and forced that they weren't needed.

[Dark Phantom]

Just keep in mind that I still love Spiderman 2, but the first film is my favorite and number 1 for best superhero films. It was that SM1 that influenced me to comic books in the first place. I owe everything to what that first film exposed me to.

[Spider-ManHero12]

spiderman1 and spiderman2 i love the same.

[Flint Marko]

although i liked both, i've always enjoyed SM more because, it had a better sorry and "the heart osborn , the heart" which SM2 lacked in my opinion. While SM2 had better action and villian for me the story just wasn't there

thoughts?
spider-man 2 was amazing. I loved Doc Ock, and i wish we could've seen more of him.
Spider-man 1 was good, despite a crappy looking costume on the goblins part. While the effects weren't near as good as the second, I like this movie a liiiiiiittle bit more, mainly because spider-man 2 didn't have enough action as the first one.