Wolverine vs Spiderman

[gibson]

So who do you think would win?

[euroq]

Starting multiple threads is not a very good way to start your SHH career, especially vs threads suck.

And it's "Spider-Man", with a hyphen. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/euroq1/mad.gif

[Big Dirty Ogre]

gibson, my man, just do a thread search.

We've all argued in countless variations of this thread.

I'll say what I think, though, anyway.


I think Wolverine would win.

Spider-man has what he needs to take Wolverine down on paper, but he doesn't have the personality to do what's necessary.

Wolverine can take a beating from Spiderman all day long, and eventually, Spider-man will slip up, and get gutted.

We've seen Wolverine break quickly Spidey's webbing a few times, so we know it's possible.

Once you piss Wolverine off enough, he'll fight until there's nothing left.

Spider-man beating Wolverine would require him to act in a way he never has before, and never will.

[marvelisawesome]

wolverine

[jaydawg]

Yeah, Wolverine despite the fact that Spidey easily kicked his ass in the first issue of Marvel Team-up. Considering that Spidey beat down the entire X-men roster back in Secret War which included Rogue, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Cyclops AND Wolverine, how is this even an issue?

[Cyclops]

Sorry. Wolverine doesn't have what it takes to fight Spider-Man. Regardless of the level of amping they've put him through over these past few years.

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, Wolverine despite the fact that Spidey easily kicked his ass in the first issue of Marvel Team-up. Considering that Spidey beat down the entire X-men roster back in Secret War which included Rogue, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Cyclops AND Wolverine, how is this even an issue?actually Spider-Man beat Colossus, STORM, Nightcrawler and Wolverine (Cyclops was absent)...however Cyclops and the X-Men have fought him at other times, and lost

[Matt Murdock]

I'm so sick of vs. threads.N00bs shouldn't be allowed to make threads until 3 months after they registered or something.

[WeaponZ2]

I'm so sick of vs. threads.N00bs shouldn't be allowed to make threads until 3 months after they registered or something.

Big man with a 71 post count.

[superhater]

I'm so sick of vs. threads.N00bs shouldn't be allowed to make threads until 3 months after they registered or something.

I know buddy, you're a noob yourself.

[thor87]

Wolverine, cause spidey can hit him all he wants, but sooner or later wolvie is gonna get luckey, and spidy will be on the ground in 3-4 pieces

[Guyverjay]

Wolverine, cause spidey can hit him all he wants, but sooner or later wolvie is gonna get luckey, and spidy will be on the ground in 3-4 pieces


Better people have tried, refer to MTU#1 to see what happens when Wolvie tangles with Spidey:up:

[Cyclops]

What you guys are conveniently forgetting is that Spidey is faster, stronger, and better able to strike from a range than Wolverine.

Just because he can heal really well doesn't mean he can't be knocked out cold... which is precisely what Spider-Man would do to him.

[Da Docta]

I say Spidey

[Doombringer]

Spider-Man, man.

[jaydawg]

actually Spider-Man beat Colossus, STORM, Nightcrawler and Wolverine (Cyclops was absent)...however Cyclops and the X-Men have fought him at other times, and lost
My bad. I thought that it was Storm who wasnt there. Been a while since I read it.

[Deadpool187]

What you guys are conveniently forgetting is that Spidey is faster, stronger, and better able to strike from a range than Wolverine.

Just because he can heal really well doesn't mean he can't be knocked out cold... which is precisely what Spider-Man would do to him.



Yeah, but remember that MK Spider-Man issue. I dunno I think Wolverine would win cuz he actully would try to kill him, where Spidey wouldnt.

[Lackey]

Yeah, but remember that MK Spider-Man issue. I dunno I think Wolverine would win cuz he actully would try to kill him, where Spidey wouldnt.


you do realize that everytime Spidey fights one his rogues, they're usually trying to kill him...

[Steel Spider]

OOC, Spider-Man would easily take the win as he could merely tear Wolverine's head off.

In character, Spider-Man could still take the win. Wolverine is tough and he has insane healing powers but he can still be KO'd.

[Deadpool187]

you do realize that everytime Spidey fights one his rogues, they're usually trying to kill him...


I still think he'd win. He did in MK Spider-Man 13.....

[TheCorpulent1]

And Spider-Man's won in many, many more comics.

[Dr.Fear]

heads up to spidey. wolvie is a hotthead, spidey knows this and is helluva lot smarter then wolvie.

[Odin's Lapdog]

who is likely to have the advantage for the majority of the fight

who needs only a small window of opportunity to cause a winning blow

who's stronger

who's faster

who's more durable

who can take more pain

who has more to lose/gain from this bout


too many variables, they have both taken out opponents tougher than one another (or at least have tried to).


who knows, or cares...

[TheCorpulent1]

The people voting for Spidey know pretty well, I'd say...

[Rizpower]

All I know is that Ned Leeds would die.

[Lackey]

I still think he'd win. He did in MK Spider-Man 13.....


what happened in that issue? I don't read MKSM.

[Caliber]

I say Wolverine because I think Spidey can't ever kill anyone. He would need to kill Wolverine to stop him.

[Guyverjay]

Balls Wolvie can be restrained and/or knocked out.

[Caliber]

Balls Wolvie can be restrained and/or knocked out.

Spiderman would try to knock him out but all Wolverine knows is how to fight.

[Guyverjay]

And?:D

I forgot about spideys rookie status:o

[Harlekin]

Which also reminds me. How is Wolverine's status as a killer going to help him in this fight? :confused:

[Caliber]

Which also reminds me. How is Wolverine's status as a killer going to help him in this fight? :confused:

He kills anyone who gets in his way and thats what helps him.

[Guyverjay]

Yeah but the little problem with is that virtually every villain that spidey goes up against tries to kill him so Wolvies bloodlust means nothing

[HERCULES]

The dude who started this thread asked "Who would win?" not "Who would kill?". Spidey would WIN. He's much faster, much stronger, and more resourceful. He wouldn't need to kill to win. Wolverine can be knocked out and Spidey's got the speed and more than enough strength to do it. As someone stated before, Logan's abilities seemed to have amplified over the years due to his surge in popularity. Still, I don't think it'd be enough.

[Cyclops]

Yeah, but remember that MK Spider-Man issue. I dunno I think Wolverine would win cuz he actully would try to kill him, where Spidey wouldnt.

Pointing to the craptastic MK Spider-Man series as evidenciary support of Wolverine's superiority over Spidey doesn't say much...

[Cyclops]

I say Wolverine because I think Spidey can't ever kill anyone. He would need to kill Wolverine to stop him.

No he wouldn't. All he'd need to do is knock him out, or incapacitate him. Which is what he'd do.

[Cyclops]

what happened in that issue? I don't read MKSM.

They were all in a training exercise in Stark Tower, and Wolverine stabbed Spidey in the chest - to which he said something to the effect of "Dude, you stabbed me!" And Wolverine said "Sweet!" And Spidey said "Dude!" And Wolvie said "Sweet!" And Spidey said...

[Torchd]

Wolverine or spidey

[DBM]

They were all in a training exercise in Stark Tower, and Wolverine stabbed Spidey in the chest - to which he said something to the effect of "Dude, you stabbed me!" And Wolverine said "Sweet!" And Spidey said "Dude!" And Wolvie said "Sweet!" And Spidey said...

Personally, I liked it that after this happened, Spidey started beating the hell out of Wolverine and Wolvy started yelling, "Ow, stop it, that hurts."

[Sparta*]

Spider-man would beat him without a doubt...I think I had this battle in my character tournament, and i'm pretty sure Spider-man won there as well...

[Anubis]

Wolverine? Beat Spidey? Are you guys high?

[jaydawg]

Someone please post that panel of Spidey causally backhanding Wolverine into a wall from Secret War so these n00bs can shut up.

[Punch]

All I know is that Ned Leeds would die.

hahahah
Spider-Man vs. Wolverine seems to be the only comic people aren't talking about.

Maybe because it shows that when both are in a position to kill, Spider-man won't and Wolverine will. That gives Wolverine an obvious advantage.

Who would win? I don't know, depends on the situation, or more accurately who's writing the comic.

[Varient]

So who do you think would win?
A straight up fight - Spidey with a knockout.
Wolverine trying to suprise Spidey - Spidey with a knockout
Spidey trying to surprize wolverine - Spidey with a knockout
Fate of Aunt May, MJ,.. or the paperboy - Spidey with a knockout
Forced to fight in a small room - Spidey with a knockout
Fighting in a pool - Spidey with a knockout
Fighting until one of them is dead - Wolverine

Which by the way it would be for everyfoe who wanted to fight Spiderman to the death. He'll EVIDENTIALLY LOSE,.. but not because they are better anything,.. other than the ability to kill w/o concience.


Sigh,... that we have to have this question every three months.

[spider-jide]

Yeah, but remember that MK Spider-Man issue. I dunno I think Wolverine would win cuz he actully would try to kill him, where Spidey wouldnt.

Please, spidey wont just stand around playing patty-cake in a serious fight with wolverine. Spidey would smack logan in his snotbox, sending him into a freakin coma.

I guess some people are unaware or have forgotten that Pete smacked wolverine effortlessly through indestructible glass :o

[spider-jide]

I say Wolverine because I think Spidey can't ever kill anyone. He would need to kill Wolverine to stop him.

Um no. :o

[rigel7soldiers]

They've clashed before. But they're a little too different to compare.

[nogap87]

Comics versions: Spidey
Movie versions: Spidey
Capcom versions: can go either way

Someone please post that panel of Spidey causally backhanding Wolverine into a wall from Secret War so these n00bs can shut up.
Whoever wrote secret wars did my favorite representation of Spidey. Not only did he backhand Wolverine in the middle of a fight with the other X-men but he also had time to dis his powers and basically say that his claws were nothing to him.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

-Secret Wars was complete crap. It had it's moments, but it's ridiculously bad. Spider-man's "win" in the comic consisted of him sneaking up on the X-Men while they were talking, and saying "I'm telling on you, muties!"
He then flailed his arms around, calling people names, and being the kind of cocky ******* that Spider-man hates.
You're telling me that Spider-man's "spider-sense" is more powerful than Xavier's mind?
He snuck up on Prof X?
Everyone in Secret Wars was written out of character.


-They fought in this book:http://www.thecomicshop.com.au/marvelm/comics/pages002/marvel-spidermanvswolverine-01-

Spider-man wailed on Wolverine all his might, and slammed his head through a tombstone. Wolverine was laughing, and never lost conciousness. Wolverine could have easily gutted him, but didn't.

Wolverine takes beat downs from the hulk. It takes more than Spider-man punches to K.O. him.


-In the Punisher story arc that everyone tries to say proves Daredevil can beat Wolverine, Wolverine tossed Spider-man against a wall when Spidey grabbed his wrists, broke his webs, etc.

Does that mean he defeated Spider-man, when he threw him into the wall?

If you say no, then neither does the pooptacular Secret Wars confrontation.

Each one consisted of the other being thrown into the wall.

It took a blind man, who is weaker, slower, and less durable than Spider-man to put Wolverine down.



-The MK issue was pretty stupid in some respects. Wolverine is going to gut Spider-man during training? Is he still tripped out from the hydra brainwashing?

Regardless it highlights some interesting instances.

Wolverine can break and cut Spidey's webbing when he's angry, and Spider-man can get hurt badly by Spidey when he gets close. Spider-man can K.O. Wolverine with his fists, huh? I doubt it, but even if he can, he has to g et close enough to do it.

He'd tie him up first, then beat him? and you're bragging about that? :o

Yeah, Spider-man can get in 10 punches to every 2 Wolverine gets in, but those punches are nothing to Wolverine, and Wolverine has the sharpest knives on the planet at the end of his fists.

[Guyverjay]

You say its crap yet you'll obviously bring up that MCP issue where spidey acts like an out of character moron:)

[Big Dirty Ogre]

You say its crap yet you'll obviously bring up that MCP issue where spidey acts like an out of character moron:)

Everyone in Secret Wars was out of character.

The Spidey VS Wolverine book I'm bringing up isn't the Erik Larsen thing.

It's the one written by Christopher Priest.




Wolverine is one of the most dangerous people in the M.U.

He's taken out people far stronger and faster than him before.

It's not about whose powers are better on paper, because if it was about strength and speed, that would make Captain America, Black Panther, Hawkeye, Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher, etc a bunch of pussies.



All of them can take down foes far, far out of their power ranges.

[Not Jake]

If it was about strength and speed Cap and Black Panther would rock the fooking sh** out of Wolverine.

[Guyverjay]

Wolverine cannot break spideys webbing and any instance where he has is bad writing plain and simple. Cut? yes, break? **** no

Webbing can hold a mack truck in place

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Wolverine cannot break spideys webbing and any instance where he has is bad writing plain and simple. Cut? yes, break? **** no

Webbing can hold a mack truck in place


"break"=break free of

for future reference.

He's done it, plenty of times.

[Not Jake]

i think wolverine should do cocaine and just freak out on people like Tony Montana in Scarface

[Big Dirty Ogre]

If it was about strength and speed Cap and Black Panther would rock the fooking sh** out of Wolverine.


They'll never let a hairy little Canadian beat up an Aryan poster boy wearing the American flag, no matter how much sense it makes. :o

Anyway, Black Panther is a true badass, and he's beaten Cap himself.

Black people get to beat up Cap sometimes, because of white guilt. :up:

[Guyverjay]

"break"=break free of

for future reference.

He's done it, plenty of times.


Lets face it spidey uses his webbing like we know he can Wolvie is immobilised. and I'd like to see these plenty of times. Because you know even Shang chi can "break free" if he's webbed to a surface that isn't as strong as the webbing itself ie a brick wall.

[Cyclops]

Wolverine's just not fast enough to lay a finger on Spidey. He's not. Spider-Man's fought circles around Firelord, a former Herald of Galactus - you really think that Wolverine can keep up with him?

[Not Jake]

gross exaggeration of his powers compared to Firelord aside, what you say is true

[twinkle]

You should just shut up Ogre, you're just proving to be an ignorant idiot without any comics knowledge. :)

[Marvin]

They'll never let a hairy little Canadian beat up an Aryan poster boy wearing the American flag, no matter how much sense it makes. :o

Anyway, Black Panther is a true badass, and he's beaten Cap himself.

Black people get to beat up Cap sometimes, because of white guilt. :up:

lol

but seriously, I don't see many characters turning the superhero community (not too many villians aparantly) upside down the way logan did in millers enemy of the state that just passed.

and how many could take out gorgon, let alone stand up to him?

[Varient]

They'll never let a hairy little Canadian beat up an Aryan poster boy wearing the American flag, no matter how much sense it makes. :o

Anyway, Black Panther is a true badass, and he's beaten Cap himself.

Black people get to beat up Cap sometimes, because of white guilt. :up:
If that was meant to be funny,...

It wasn't.

Sarcastic?

Fell flat.

Captain America Has Beaten Wolverine in a straight up dust up.
Spiderman HAS YET to fight Wolverine in the way he has beat the Goblin,.. or even FireLord.
And to my Knowledge Spiderman has only used his full strength of folk like Thor, Loki, The Hulk And Juggernaut.

The pro wolverine fans Gloss over the Fact that Peter is ALWAYS holding back strength wise.

Wolverine has NEVER been punched full in the face by the hulk and kept on coming.
Sorry,.... He's been knocked out by too many people to believe Spiderman can't do it.

On paper and off of it the only way Wolverine wins is IF SPIDERMAN CUTS HIM SOME SLACK.

Getting cut while sparring?
It's canon that Spiderman's Spidersense reacts to active threats.
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this is how Aunt May was once able to clock him with a vase,.. why J J Jameson could connect with a punch,... why MJ can surprise him with her teeth in bed.

Spiderman fights wolverine,.. he's not touching the guy who can dodge bullets.

That you guys are arguing about it for so long is surprising.


Peace.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Lets face it spidey uses his webbing like we know he can Wolvie is immobilised. and I'd like to see these plenty of times. Because you know even Shang chi can "break free" if he's webbed to a surface that isn't as strong as the webbing itself ie a brick wall.

If Spider-man lived up to his abilities, he'd easily beat up every one of his main villians, every time.

If Wolverine lived up to his full abilities, pretty much every foe he's ever faced would be dead.



So basically, Spider-man wins by webbing Wolverine up, then leaves?

Beating on him would be a waste of time, if that's how he's going to win.


Anyway, it's like saying that shooting a guy with a net gun from 20-30 feet away means you can beat him up.

Lame.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

You should just shut up Ogre, you're just proving to be an ignorant idiot without any comics knowledge. :)

Quiet, you troll. Either add something substantial to the conversation, or shut up.

I hate when someone comes along, sees the popular opinion, and then tries to get a lump in on the guy most people are arguing with.

What a loser.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

If that was meant to be funny,...
It wasn't.
Sarcastic?
Fell flat.
Captain America Has Beaten Wolverine in a straight up dust up.
Spiderman HAS YET to fight Wolverine in the way he has beat the Goblin,.. or even FireLord.
And to my Knowledge Spiderman has only used his full strength of folk like Thor, Loki, The Hulk And Juggernaut.
The pro wolverine fans Gloss over the Fact that Peter is ALWAYS holding back strength wise.
Wolverine has NEVER been punched full in the face by the hulk and kept on coming.
Sorry,.... He's been knocked out by too many people to believe Spiderman can't do it.
On paper and off of it the only way Wolverine wins is IF SPIDERMAN CUTS HIM SOME SLACK.
Getting cut while sparring?
It's canon that Spiderman's Spidersense reacts to active threats.
this is how Aunt May was once able to clock him with a vase,.. why J J Jameson could connect with a punch,... why MJ can surprise him with her teeth in bed.
Spiderman fights wolverine,.. he's not touching the guy who can dodge bullets.
That you guys are arguing about it for so long is surprising.
Peace.

Are you offended?

It was a throwaway comment, and I'd scarcely expect that kind of response.

Being so defensive about racial humor is what keeps us divided.


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You basically just inadvertantly stated what I did originally.

Spider-man can beat Wolverine, on a spec sheet of his abilities.

He can make Wolverine look like a fool, because Wolverine is a hothead.

He doesn't have a killer's personality, though, and Wolverine will kill when a fight gets serious.

Spider-man holds back, and that's a liabilty.


Spider-man has been made a fool of by bad guys far less formidible than Wolverine, and if he made a mistake like that when fighting Wolverine, he gets gutted.

Spider-man can dodge bullets when far enough away from the shooter.

So can Wolverine.

Wolverine can also have a clip emptied into him, while he runs at you full force, and spills your innards on the dirt.

Spider-man has been shot, punched, stabbed, sliced, etc, etc, etc.

He's been punched by regular human beings plenty of times.




Wolverine at his best is far more formidible than most Spider-man fans are willing to reference.

Read the last 2 Wolverine arcs to see what Wolverine can do.



And quit creating a version of Spider-man that would have the balls to do something besides web him up from far away.

Frankly, Spider-man isn't that stupid.



So until Spider-man undergoes some dramatic personality change, Wolverine has a fair shot at beating him.

[Varient]

Are you offended?

It was a throwaway comment, and I'd scarcely expect that kind of response.

Being so defensive about racial humor is what keeps us divided.


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Tsk,..You got it right in the first line,... Wrong in the second.

Racial humor only works when the subject matter is far enough away from the kernal that produces it.

We are not there yet.

We have too many who make "throw-away comments" that can offend and then expect those around them to "man up" when there is protest.

Sorry,.. I've improved in regards to casual "throw-away comments that ridicule along racial / gender lines by no longer having the urge to beat the azz of the thoughtless individual who believes that because THEY are past it,.. we all should be.

But it doesn't stop me from saying IT WASN"T FUNNY.


Back on topic:

Wolverine is overrated,
Spiderman is artificially underpowered to make better stories,

And a fight between the two of them is all about motive.

look at the Spiderman / Hulk fight and the Wolverine / Hulk fights for reference. Spiderman is pulling up and smacking the hulk with train tracks,...
You don't see this when fighting feebs like wolverine.

Give him a reason other than irritation and Spiderman will Beat wolverine everytime.


(Chuckle) Wolverine Dodge bullets? The fastest I've seen him move is to slice a trank dart out of the air with his claws.



(sigh,.. I'm not even a spidey fan,.....)

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Tsk,..You got it right in the first line,... Wrong in the second.
Racial humor only works when the subject matter is far enough away from the kernal that produces it.
We are not there yet.
We have too many who make "throw-away comments" that can offend and then expect those around them to "man up" when there is protest.
Sorry,.. I've improved in regards to casual "throw-away comments that ridicule along racial / gender lines by no longer having the urge to beat the azz of the thoughtless individual who believes that because THEY are past it,.. we all should be.
But it doesn't stop me from saying IT WASN"T FUNNY.


I'm multi racial, and I have racial slurs directed at me fairly often.

What I said was pretty benign. Slavery was a long time ago. I'm 1/4 Native American, and I'm not whining about white people slaughtering most of my ancestors.

I'm hispanic, and I don't cry about how nearly every hispanic character in television history is a ridiculous stereotype.

I'd like to see someone try and beat my ass because I'm more tolerant of ignorance than they are.

I didn't insult anyone's race, or anything of that sort.

White guilt is pretty common, and pretty stupid.

White people shouldn't put up with the double standard of racism because of something an ancestor of theirs may have done 200 years ago.

It's laughable, by any standard, when a person who's hands are clean of racism feels guilty about something they had nothing to do with.


Tell me what part of my statement justifies such harsh scrutiny.

Cap being an Aryan poster boy?

Him getting beat up by a black man ocasionally because of white guilt?

If those issues don't motivate comic storytelling, then why publish something like "TRUTH", which I happened to enjoy, but didn't see a particular reason for.

Was it because it seemed somehow odd that the symbol for American patriotism in Marvel Universe was a blond, blue eyed white man who used to fight buck toothed, slanty eyed, serpent tongued asian men?

Just about every "ehtnic" person I've spoken to on the subject agrees with me.

The only thing worse than a run of the mill racist is an uber-politically correct zealot, who feels the need to reprimand people for making benign statements like the one above.



Back on topic:
Wolverine is overrated,
Spiderman is artificially underpowered to make better stories,

And a fight between the two of them is all about motive.

look at the Spiderman / Hulk fight and the Wolverine / Hulk fights for reference. Spiderman is pulling up and smacking the hulk with train tracks,...
You don't see this when fighting feebs like wolverine.

Give him a reason other than irritation and Spiderman will Beat wolverine everytime.

(Chuckle) Wolverine Dodge bullets? The fastest I've seen him move is to slice a trank dart out of the air with his claws.

(sigh,.. I'm not even a spidey fan,.....)


Spider-man is very fast, but he's not 10 times faster than Wolverine.

I'd say he's 2 to 3 times faster, at best.

Spider-man's agility and reflexes are the reason he can dodge bullets, and only when the shooter is far enough away.


Spider-man isn't Neo. I don't give a **** what it looked like in the movie.

In continuity, he's been punched by regular speed human beings countless times.



Wolverine is overrated, huh?
As a guy who consistently reads Wolverine, and many comics he regularly appears in, I've never seen an overrated character get humiliated so regularly.

He's constantly the butt of jokes, and gets slapped around by everybody and their grandmother.

He pulls it together when he needs to, though, and can take down bad guys far out of his strength and speed league, because he soaks up damage like a sponge.

He has indeed dodged bullets, and when I can think of specific issues, I'll post them. I've read too many to pull them right out.


You don't get to pit optimum, fanboy enhanced, continuity ignoring Spider-man against Garth Ennis's version of Wolverine, or the poorly written tripe in Secret Wars.


Wolverine, in his own book, has done things that I don't believe Spider-man as most consistently characterized in the comics would be capable of.


Wolverine has taken hard punches from Hulk, and stayed very concious.

Hulk is as fast as Spider-man, according to Marvel, and his base strength is 100 tons.

Even at a 10th of his baseline power, his punches are 10 times harder than Spider-man's top punches.


Wolverine has been rag-dolled so harshly by Hulk, nothing Spider-man could do hand to hand would compare.

Wolverine has taken Spider-man's strongest punches, in the Wolverine Vs Spider-man comic written by Jim Owlsley(Christopher Priest) in the 80s.

Spider-man was thinking to himself about how Wolverine was grinning through the fight, just rolling with it.


There are far more instances of Wolverine staying concious after devastating blows, or popping right back up after them, than there are of him being knocked out.

Wolverine has been thrown through so many walls, fallen off of so many buildings, and survived so many other ridiculous things, that the K.O. punch thing is a joke.

I've been in dozens of fights, and I've been knocked straight to the floor with some punches. That didn't stop me from shaking it off, and jumping right back on the bastard.

It ain't over till someone has stopped moving.


You don't need to be a Spider-man fan to be biased.

You just have to be ignorant of Wolverine's history in his own book.


I don't think Wolverine could take down Spider-man everytime, but I think he has a good shot.

Like I said, when Spider-man all of a sudden starts tearing people's arms off, and getting ruthless, I'll believe he can really hurt Wolverine.

He has the ability, but not the mindset to use it.


Maybe if Wolverine knocked up Mary Jane behind his back, or something.

He'd have to go into the fight determined to take Wolverine down, hard.

If he went into the fight the way he always does, making jokes, there's a good chance he'll lose some anatomy.

[ElectroFlare]

Spiderman HAS YET to fight Wolverine in the way he has beat the Goblin,.. or even FireLord.


I believe Spider-man fought and beat Firelord with hit and run tactics...or are you not counting that one cause of the hit and run tactics...tell me if i'm misreading...

[SuGarRush]

Are ya'll still arguing over this?
Wolverine is toast in under 5. He can't get near Spidey to hit him/slice him/ so it's really no contest is it?

[Spider-Kurt]

I'm just picturing Aunt May standing over Logan's body saying "You got knocked the **** out!"

Seriously,with his superior strength,speed,wall crawling ability,danger sense,webbing and over all smarts, Spider-Man could take Wolverine out.

Imagine this scenario, Spider-Man's reading a book on the Avenger's couch. Suddenly, his spider sense goes off and he dodges Wolverine's attack."Thwip" web shot in Wolvie's face. Next thing he knows is now there's a webline on his chest. Spidey swings him around his head like a helicopter and tosses him out of the window and goes back to reading his book.

Don't get me wrong, Wolverine can scrap with the biggest dogs Marvel has to offer but Spidey has too many advantages to let the X-Man take him.

Sorry

[Varient]

I'm multi racial, and I have racial slurs directed at me fairly often.

To be clear this justifies in your mind the "right" to do things along the same lines ? Okay.


What I said was pretty benign. Slavery was a long time ago. I'm 1/4 Native American, and I'm not whining about white people slaughtering most of my ancestors.
??Translation: What I said wasn't so bad,.. I coulda said worse,..
So,... Exactly "Who" is crying about sumbody slaughtering sumbodies ancestors? I told you you were not funny and if sarcastic you missed your mark. When you couldn't accept that - I amplified on the point that regardless of where you are in your head you'd be better served to show more consideration for folk who are not in the same place you are.
You OBVIOUSLY didn't like that either.

I'm hispanic, and I don't cry about how nearly every hispanic character in television history is a ridiculous stereotype.
???Sigh. I'm sure You'll come to the point of your listing your heritage in defense of being offensive in the post that got my attention.

I'd like to see someone try and beat my ass because I'm more tolerant of ignorance than they are.
???? You'd actually want someone to beat your azz for being unthinking? or You believe it can't be done?
Interesting.
The most Dangerous men I know make less noise than either of us have to date ,.. and have less tolerance for racially bent "throw-away" comments because I think they believe that someone so careless has missed a life lesson somewhere. May you never meet one when you are feeling extremly thoughtless.


I didn't insult anyone's race, or anything of that sort.
????
They'll never let a hairy little Canadian
(not REALLY an insult)
beat up an Aryan poster boy wearing the American flag,
("Aryan Poster boy? - you read enough Captain America? are there Black or Brown, or Red Aryan? The character is one of the few whites in comics that NO black person appears to have issues with because he is painfully Whitebreaded boyscout - you can't hate what doesn't hate you if you have any brains.)
no matter how much sense it makes.

Anyway, Black Panther is a true badass, and he's beaten Cap himself.
Panther has always been,.. and yess he's beaten Cap - something that is accepted by most old-schoolers given the circumstances - I had no issue with this line other than how it sets up the next.

Black people get to beat up Cap sometimes, because of white guilt.
.............
Is there a list? (heavy sarcasm)


White guilt is pretty common, and pretty stupid.

I think that attributing the results of a fight over white guilt is truly stupid.

White people shouldn't put up with the double standard of racism because of something an ancestor of theirs may have done 200 years ago.

Interesting. I get to hear sumbody say its a double standard in the same week where yet again two white men drove along the road where high school kids were walking to school - two white men who hurled racial curses and insults to the minorities,.. laughed and threw trash at them before continuing on their merry way. The stuff is happening NOW,.. and your silly behind thinks that any attitude exibited by blacks is attributed to something that happened 200 years ago?
Okay.
Sorry prejudice and racism are LEARNED behaviors. Is there a doubt that a black child hit with a bottle by a white man who called him "less than" when all he was doing was walking to school is going to consider anyone with an even hand?
Tsk.

It's laughable, by any standard, when a person who's hands are clean of racism feels guilty about something they had nothing to do with.

SMH @ U because you seem to have it wrong - that would be a schooling for another medium, I'm not going there with you.


Tell me what part of my statement justifies such harsh scrutiny.
See above and answer: What exactly was the point? Humor?

Cap being an Aryan poster boy?
Him getting beat up by a black man ocasionally because of white guilt?

If those issues don't motivate comic storytelling, then why publish something like "TRUTH", which I happened to enjoy, but didn't see a particular reason for.

Scary.
You equate name calling and insults to the story told in truth. You also admit that you couldn't see a need for telling the tale or the retcon. I didn't "Like" the story on many points,.. but I UNDERSTOOD it's point.

Was it because it seemed somehow odd that the symbol for American patriotism in Marvel Universe was a blond, blue eyed white man who used to fight buck toothed, slanty eyed, serpent tongued asian men?
???? No.

Just about every "ehtnic" person I've spoken to on the subject agrees with me.
Sigh. I could say the same thing on the other side,.. I'm still waiting for the point in being casually insulting.

The only thing worse than a run of the mill racist is an uber-politically correct zealot, who feels the need to reprimand people for making benign statements like the one above.
Yup,.. I'm a "Zealot" Uber-politically correct - (1 ea) for tellling you that you were not funny or amusing in any way ANd wasting my time for explaining why.
Live in ignorance - your sort keep the hate going by always throwing your hands up and saying "What?" "What?" after saying or doing something that they find bothers someone else.

On Topic:
Wolverine is overrated, huh?
Yup

Claws are sharp,... BUT Not one molecule thick. Him carving through a steel door is patently impossible,.. but a trademarked feat. It's not that the claws are not sharp enough,.. it's the fact that he's not strong enough to punch through and shear steel like that. He's not Super strong by Canon,.. and he doesn't get the angle on a cut the best he can do is make sparks against metal,.. form follows function,.. if they were sharp enough to allow him to shear thru metal at his strength level it wouldn't take so many strokes to get through / past something.

Healing factor now considered "regeneration" he has been put down in one punch by folk WEAKER than spiderman,.. and has been beat by daredevil in a straight dust up.
He is the most inconsistatant hero that I read in Marvel seconded by ALL THE UBER-POWERFULL HEROES who can walk through lava one week,.. get a gunshot wound the next, (Thor), His "healing factor fluctuates so much I can't help but notice when he's put down by a weaker opponent.

I see him in the same light as Batman,.. TOO MUCH HYPE outsizing his actual ability.

I read wolverine and watch him as he approaches uber invulnerability.

Spiderman if forced to fight his hero would beat him in hand to hand.

Same for the panther,

Same for all the members of the new avengers save two.

It's been said too many times that the combination of his mid to low level abilities makes him one of the hardest heroes to beat.

If he can lash out fast enough to smack a speedster,...

sidestepping claws are not going to be an issue.

I can admit that wolverine has a "chance" of beating spiderman,....


But so does Aunt May - and how likely is that?

Peace.

[Varient]

I believe Spider-man fought and beat Firelord with hit and run tactics...or are you not counting that one cause of the hit and run tactics...tell me if i'm misreading...
My point in both cases is that he has beat people structurally stronger than himself and wolverine together, (firelord)
Wolverine DOES GET TIRED.
Wolverine does get hurt,.. and even though he heals ,.. he needs a period to do so,.. this was underlined in the grey hulk wolverine fight, part two.

He has beat people in his strength and speed range who heal faster than he does, (goblin)
I count both fights because it showcases the major diff between spiderman and wolverine.

[Varient]

Are ya'll still arguing over this?
Wolverine is toast in under 5. He can't get near Spidey to hit him/slice him/ so it's really no contest is it?
Nah,.. I got dragged in by a "throw-away" comment.

I'm done.

[Eyeballing]

Yes this is true this has been argued over probably thousands of times but since your a noob I will grant you this one break and not have you killed by cyclops or guyverjay :D

As for the topic at hand. Yes Spidey on paper can take down Wolvie but as mentioned he probably wouldn't. Now I like to argue vs. fights in two fashions.

1) Have the characters fight as they are protrayed in the comics.

2) Have them fight not as they are protrayed but what they are actually capable of, this makes such characters as the Flash and others much more powerful.

Now Wolverine could possibly take Spidey out if pete gets lazy or tires or slips up which is possible. BUT the problem I do have is logan BREAKING pete's webbing. Not cutting I mean breaking, that is asinine. Spider silk is eight times, 8 times stronger than steel cable of the same porportion. Although it can be cut easily with a knife.

I am not talking about Logan cutting through it, I am talking about him using his peak human muscles to break pete's webbing. This SHOULD NOT happen, ever, no matter how mad logan gets. He is not physically strong enough to do so. Cutting through the webbing is one thing, breaking it is another.

Other than that I just think this fight is a draw, Wolverine can go toe to toe with the Hulk, but spidey has done so as well. Spider-Man has a landslide edge in terms of speed, reflexes and agility. No contest hand down, but Wolverine wins easily in the taking a beating dept.

Either of them could knock the other out, pete if he hits logan hard enough could do it and logan the same (adamantium laced knuckels connecting to pete's head should suffice) I just call this a draw :D

Spidey would be hard pressed to do enough damage to logan and logan would be hard pressed to catch pete.

[Eyeballing]

People always bring up how much pain and damage Wolverine can take, but Spidey isn't a light weight. The kid has had the living snot kicked out of him I don't know how many times, even by the juggernaut. Read Spider-Man Nothing Can Stop The Juggernaut Spidey gets owned

Also spidey may not be as strong as the hulk, but he can knock out a reg human with his finger. Yes he has done this before. Yes I know Logan is not a reg human blah blah blah, but he can be cut just as easily as a reg human can, why can't he be knocked out just as easily?

His healing factor means just that, he heals FASTER dosn't necessarily make him more durable, that's his skeleton. :D

[Deadpool187]

Also spidey may not be as strong as the hulk, but he can knock out a reg human with his finger. Yes he has done this before. Yes I know Logan is not a reg human blah blah blah, but he can be cut just as easily as a reg human can, why can't he be knocked out just as easily?


Isnt his skull adimantium, maybe thats why.

Anyways Deadpool could take out Spider-Man easily.

[Eyeballing]

Isnt his skull adimantium, maybe thats why.

Anyways Deadpool could take out Spider-Man easily.


Umm so? If you didn't know the back of your head contains your sight sensors or nerves or whatever which makes it far easier to knock out a person in the back of the head. Ever watch a boxing match? Ever see when the boxers hold and punch each other in the back of the head and the ref grabs them and tells them not to do that?

That is why, you can easily knock someone out by hitting them in the back of the head. It has less to do with how hard your head is than with what is back there. Sight nerves etc.

How did deadpool come into this ? And how could he take him out easily if far more powerful characters have tried and failed?

[Deadpool187]

Yeah, but then there would be no point for whereing a helmate then

[Guyverjay]

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/Spiderman_juggy.jpg

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/2189/uxm102132vi.jpg

bwhahahaaaaaaaaaa

[Nathan]

I wish I could find the scan of Wolverine hanging in a alley with his hands webbed to his head.

[Deadpool187]

I wish I could find the scan where wolverine stabs Spider-Man in the chest and he looks like hes gonna piss his pants.

[Nathan]

Some out of character writing isn't going to proof squat.

[Deadpool187]

How dosnt it prove anything? LOL Jug pounding on Spider-Man and not breaking a bone in his body seems pretty out of Charater to me. That should have been Spider-Man skin being ripped off not his costum. Noboby should use villans not being able to kill Spider-Man, cuz the only reason they can't is cuz Marvel aint gonna kill off there posterboy.

[Nathan]

Grow muscles the size of bastketballs and then try to hit yourself with full force on the back. And then tell me how that worked out.

[Deadpool187]

Still Jug can rip a street out he should have been able to rip his back out. It should have been klike digging his hands into clay.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

How dosnt it prove anything? LOL Jug pounding on Spider-Man and not breaking a bone in his body seems pretty out of Charater to me. Noboby should use villans not being able to kill Spider-Man, cuz the only reason they can't is cuz Marvel aint gonna kill off there posterboy.


Don't you know that logic can never be used when referencing Spider-man?

No way Juggernaut could ever hurt Spider-man, with his unbreakable spider-bones.

No way Juggernaut could get out of wet cement. He's way too weak for that.

I mean, that's real cement we're talking about there.

[Guyverjay]

Wolvie goes down with a pussy back slap:D

You see what wolvie fanboys (and even some writers) don't seem to GET is that while wolvie has a skeleton laced with adamantium, the rest of his body is pretty normal durability wise. Ergo he can be knocked out. Hell this how bone clawed wolvie beat adamantium sabretooth. The metal skeleton didn't stop him from getting gutted:D

[Guyverjay]

Don't you know that logic can never be used when referencing Spider-man?

No way Juggernaut could ever hurt Spider-man, with his unbreakable spider-bones.

No way Juggernaut could get out of wet cement. He's way too weak for that.

I mean, that's real cement we're talking about there.


wahhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:p

[Deadpool187]

So your telling me Spider-Man would have took it.

[Guyverjay]

Took what?

[Deadpool187]

A slap to the face from Jug.

[Guyverjay]

Spidey has taken full on punches from Class 100 people before so no I don't think a back slap even from Juggernaut would knock him out. Besides that little comic page I posted above proves it:p

[Deadpool187]

You see what Spidey fanboys (and even some writers) don't seem to GET is that his whole body is normal durability wise. Ergo he can be knocked out and ripped apart. :p

[Guyverjay]

Are you see thats wrong if his whole body was normal durabilty wise, he would become street pizza the moment guys like Venom,Titania,Morlun, Doc Ock,Scorpion, Carnage, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin,Hulk, Sandman etc hit him.

Thanks for playing though:up:

[Deadpool187]

Oh yeah I forgot about the indistructable Spider that was also mixed to make that spider.


And on Wolvie not dodging bullets why would he need to when his body will just push them out.

[Guyverjay]

Did I say he was indestructable? Stopping arguing against things I haven't said:rolleyes:

Besides at least come up with something witty, your little sarcastic comment didn't even make sense:D

[Deadpool187]

Ok what makes his body not normal durabilty wise then?

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Guyverjay is an unrepentant Spider-fanboy.



Don't bother trying to tell him that bad writing goes both ways, and that Wolverine is consistently listed as more durable than Spider-man is, by Marvel.

Don't bother telling him that although Spider-man is more durable than a regular human being, he is not as durable as a person with the most durable metal in existence for a skeleton, and an ability to almost instantly recover from most physical trauma.

Make sure you don't bring up that Spider-man has been ***** slapped onto his ass by much less than Juggernaut.


He's a blind fanboy.

[Deadpool187]

Did I say he was indestructable? Stopping arguing against things I haven't said:rolleyes:

Besides at least come up with something witty, your little sarcastic comment didn't even make sense:D



LOL Ok I'll give you that. I was going by the movie Spider-Man. :( I read the Marvel directory and it did say his body is more durable then a normal human.

[Guyverjay]

Guyverjay is an unrepentant Spider-fanboy.

You're just a hypocrite who doesn't know how to shave correctly:up:



Don't bother trying to tell him that bad writing goes both ways, and that Wolverine is consistently listed as more durable than Spider-man is, by Marvel.

Oooh listed by marvel whoopedy doo Mr kettle, yes wolverines unbreakabe skeleton does up his durability, the healing factor helps also. But the rest of him is pretty normal durability wise. Without the healing factor he would have died loooooonnggggg ago

Don't bother telling him that although Spider-man is more durable than a regular human being, he is not as durable as a person with the most durable metal in existence for a skeleton, and an ability to almost instantly recover from most physical trauma.

Wolvies bones are more durable then spider-mans, everything else isnt. The healing factor makes up for that but that isn't durabilty Mr Kettle

Make sure you don't bring up that Spider-man has been ***** slapped onto his ass by much less than Juggernaut.

Of course he has but then so has wolverine

He's a blind fanboy.


What ever you say Mr Kettle:up:

Theres a crap load of people spidey cannot beat under normal circumstances

Zeitgeist
Dr Doom
Iron man
Thor
Hulk (he recently beat Hulk but it was a it was lame, a cement truck?)
Hercules
Juggernaut (the fight was a lucky one for webhead)
Prof X
Ice man
Magneto
Etc

...wolverine isnt one of them

[i'm Spider-Man]

I mean, that's real cement we're talking about there.

that's scary just THINKING about it...

:rolleyes:

[Dr.Fear]

What ever you say Mr Kettle:up:

Theres a crap load of people spidey cannot beat under normal circumstances

Zeitgeist
Dr Doom
Iron man
Thor
Hulk (he recently beat Hulk but it was a it was lame, a cement truck?)
Hercules
Juggernaut (the fight was a lucky one for webhead)
Prof X
Ice man
Magneto
Etc

...wolverine isnt one of them

dr.doom? iron man,ice man?! i think spidey can take these people down.

[Guyverjay]

Hell no Spidey has had his ass whipped by Doom

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Back in the 80's I'd give spidey a shot at Iron man (after all he wiped his ass with Iron man 2020 and the jury) but now Iron man is too powerful. How would spidey beat Ice man?

[Kmack]

Wolverine

[Dr.Fear]

thats gay. how bout spidey vs deadpool?

[Dr.Fear]

Hell no Spidey has had his ass whipped by Doom

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Back in the 80's I'd give spidey a shot at Iron man (after all he wiped his ass with Iron man 2020 and the jury) but now Iron man is too powerful. How would spidey beat Ice man?

man that comics sucked. they were just trying to show doom as a badass. we both know spidey can take on doom.

[HERCULES]

How can anything be "out of character" as many folks here state? It was printed by MARVEL, written and drawn by MARVEL, so what's "out of character"? If folks wanna keep using that phrase then Wolvie shouldn't be as strong as he is these days 'cuz he wasn't so back in the day. Also, the Punisher wasn't a bad ass either in his early days. All I'm saying is that everyone seems to beat everyone as time passes. I don't see why it's so unbelievable that 'X' hero can't beat 'Y' hero. They could have an off day and be beat by an opponent that actually is less powerful.

[Guyverjay]

So.... if Captain America dressed up like Adolf hiter and then blew off the red skull while wiping his ass with the US flag THAT wouldn't be "out of character"?

What about Batman stumbles into a criminial hideout and then takes out an uzi and blows them all away?

The Flash removes a criminals brain killing him

Superman throws a guy into the sun or punches some guys head clean off

Daredevil punches Juggernaut clean out

Would any of that be perfectly acceptable to you if it was published by marvel and DC?

Wolverine beats Lobo in a...whoops already been done:o

[HERCULES]

So.... if Captain America dressed up like Adolf hiter and then blew off the red skull while wiping his ass with the US flag THAT wouldn't be "out of character"?

What about Batman stumbles into a criminial hideout and then takes out an uzi and blows them all away?

The Flash removes a criminals brain killing him

Superman throws a guy into the sun or punches some guys head clean off

Daredevil punches Juggernaut clean out

Would any of that be perfectly acceptable to you if it was published by marvel and DC?

Wolverine beats Lobo in a...whoops already been done:o

Marvel has done lotsa things that I thought were crap. And some of the things you mentioned I wouldn't put pass them to do in the future. Characters change over time. And apparently so do their power levels (not that I agree with it). Get on with it.

[Doombringer]

Hell no Spidey has had his ass whipped by Doom

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Back in the 80's I'd give spidey a shot at Iron man (after all he wiped his ass with Iron man 2020 and the jury) but now Iron man is too powerful. How would spidey beat Ice man?

God I love Victor Von Doom... :D

[Varient]

chuckling @ the infighting.

[Eyeballing]

Yeah, but then there would be no point for whereing a helmate then


You can still be knocked out smart ass, which seems to be all your capable of is making smart ass remarks. A helment protects your skull from being cracked open and you sustaining brain damage. It doesn't mean you CAN'T be knocked out.

As guyverjay stated Wolverine's skeleton gives him the durability, not his physiology. He sure as hell can be knocked out, for how long? Depends on who and how hard he is hit. But I say Pete still has the power to knock his ass out. Depending how would determine for how long.

And yes pete's durability is above a normal humans. :D

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Wolvies bones are more durable then spider-mans, everything else isnt. The healing factor makes up for that but that isn't durabilty Mr Kettle






durable:wear-resistant; existing for a long time;serviceable for a long time

Wolverine's healing factor has everything to do with durability, Mr. Needs-to-buy-a-dictionary. :up:


It's more relevant than his skeleton, concerning his durability.

Durability concerns duration.

Wolverine is 130 years old because he has a healing factor.

He continues to exist because of it, through countless beatdowns, burnings, gunshots, etc.

It's what's increased the duration of his existence, and the amount of abuse he can take.




Wolverine's healing factor makes him more durable than Spider-man.

[Guyverjay]

durable:wear-resistant; existing for a long time;serviceable for a long time

Wolverine's healing factor has everything to do with durability, Mr. Needs-to-buy-a-dictionary. :up:


It's more relevant than his skeleton, concerning his durability.

Durability concerns duration.

Wolverine is 130 years old because he has a healing factor.

He continues to exist because of it, through countless beatdowns, burnings, gunshots, etc.

It's what's increased the duration of his existence, and the amount of abuse he can take.




Wolverine's healing factor makes him more durable than Spider-man.


Mr Kettle, resorting to semantics?

Durability:

Permanence by virtue of the power to resist stress or force

Wolverine organs don't resist stress or force any different than a normal mans does , they simply regenerate from said stress or force quicker

Technically alot of the organs he has now aren't even the ones he was born with. His eyes for example. So they aren't "wear-resistant; existing for a long time;serviceable for a long time" some are simply replaced upon regeneration. Example if wolvie loses a finger and he then regenerates another finger. It isn't the same finger he lost its a NEW finger.

The Thing doesn't have a healing factor, would you say wolverine is more durable then him? What about Mr fantastic? He hasn't got a healing factor either.

Neither of them will live as long as wolverine, what do you say?

Technically a Ghost can't be physically injured at all and it will last a long ass time, does that mean it has a high level of durability?

[doih]

Wolverine was left hanging in an alley by Spidey..

[RAMORE]

spidey beats him kill or not kill for 3 reasons. 1) way way stronger, 2)Cant sneak up with spider sense, 3)gymnastic ability with perfect equilibrium. Don't even bring up him getting his arm broke in new avengers that was crap that bendis wrote in to show you can't do it all on your own.

[Suleman]

dr.doom? iron man,ice man?! i think spidey can take these people down.

What the? NO! Ice man is immortal and can kill Spidey easily. Iron man has "superior tech" and Doom is a walking plot-device. He can't win them in normal circumstances.

[Not Jake]

Ok what makes his body not normal durabilty wise then?
Spiders have tough exteriors. Exoskeletons.

[Eyeballing]

What the? NO! Ice man is immortal and can kill Spidey easily. Iron man has "superior tech" and Doom is a walking plot-device. He can't win them in normal circumstances.

I have to agree, I don't know about Iceman being immortal but that's besides the point. Iceman could just freeze the mositure in the air until Pete's lung freeze.

IronMan as mentioned maybe an earlier version but not a chance now. And Doom, give me a break. This guy would give Thanos a hard time.

[RAMORE]

See thing with iceman is he is chronically underused and miswritten character i think if written right he might be the most powerful x-men besides the telepaths.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

[QUOTE=Guyverjay]

QUOTE]

It isn't semantics, it's cut and dry facts.

You're the one employing semantics, when the end result is the same.

Wolverine will last longer because he's got a healing factor.

He can take a beating much better than Spider-man can.

You can post whatever alternate definition of the word you want, what I'm saying fits the basic definition to a tee.

Eat it, fanboy.

Wolverine is tougher, and more durable than Spider-man. He will be around long after Spider-man is dead.


Spider-man was only ever said to have more durable connective tissues than a human being, and even having 5 times the overall durability of a human being wouldn't matter if Juggernaut was beating on you.

That's just bad writing.

A Juggernaut pimp slapping should knock out Spider-man just as easily, if not moreso, and less has floored Spider-man before.

Saying "so has Wolverine...." doesn't change the fact that Spider-man's abilities are as erratic as Wolverine's ever were.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

that's scary just THINKING about it...

:rolleyes:


hopefully you understood that it was sarcasm.

If you didn't, that's even scarier. :o

[Eyeballing]

[QUOTE=Guyverjay]

QUOTE]

It isn't semantics, it's cut and dry facts.

You're the one employing semantics, when the end result is the same.

Wolverine will last longer because he's got a healing factor.

He can take a beating much better than Spider-man can.

You can post whatever alternate definition of the word you want, what I'm saying fits the basic definition to a tee.

Eat it, fanboy.

Wolverine is tougher, and more durable than Spider-man. He will be around long after Spider-man is dead.


Spider-man was only ever said to have more durable connective tissues than a human being, and even having 5 times the overall durability of a human being wouldn't matter if Juggernaut was beating on you.

That's just bad writing.

A Juggernaut pimp slapping should knock out Spider-man just as easily, if not moreso, and less has floored Spider-man before.

Saying "so has Wolverine...." doesn't change the fact that Spider-man's abilities are as erratic as Wolverine's ever were.


Good points and all well taken Orge BUT Wolverine's skin, nerves, tissues etc are the same as a humans. His healing factor of course helps reduce injury and of course repair them much faster than a normal humans. But other than that I THINK IMPO that Wolverine's body should respond much the same way a normal human does.

I mean think about it, you take a knife and run it along a person's skin with pressure they cut and bleed. The same applies to logan, only his skin heals in mere seconds, not days or weeks.

So I am not saying Spider-Man is so much more durable than Wolverine if anything they are equal or pete has a slight edge, not counting the healing factor or adamantium laced bones. I just mean that Logan is just as susectible to being knocked out as pete or a normal human. In terms of taking a beating yes Logan can take a pounding but so can pete.

Wolverine can be killed, if his injuries were extensive enough he would die. The more the severe the injury the longer it takes him to heal from it. Would Pete kill him, no of course not. Could he? Possibly.

As I said earlier I think this is a draw if you are talking the way the characters are protrayed in general. If we are talking what they are really capable of, pete wins if he doesn't hold back. Either by ko or tyring up Logan so he is incapaciatated. :D IMPO

[Guyverjay]

[QUOTE=Guyverjay]

QUOTE]

It isn't semantics, it's cut and dry facts.

Sematics Kettle, semantics

You're the one employing semantics, when the end result is the same.

Yeah the end result is wolverine hanging in the air with his fists webbed to his head

Wolverine will last longer because he's got a healing factor.

I've never said otherwise kettle

He can take a beating much better than Spider-man can.

Again I never said otherwise Kettle, having a regneration factor helps tremendously

You can post whatever alternate definition of the word you want, what I'm saying fits the basic definition to a tee.

Ahh you see thats the thing about the english language is that words can have more than one definition . The definition for durability that I found fits what I'm saying to a tee. Besides you conviently ignore that Wolverine essentially replaces body parts when regenerating from certain injuries in his history. That flies in the face of your definition

Eat it, fanboy.

From your pic I think you're the most experienced in eating:up:

Wolverine is tougher, and more durable than Spider-man. He will be around long after Spider-man is dead.

Yes he will out last spider-man if they both die by natural causes but when you're in the super hero biz its not that cut and dried kettle


Spider-man was only ever said to have more durable connective tissues than a human being, and even having 5 times the overall durability of a human being wouldn't matter if Juggernaut was beating on you.

That's just bad writing.

Thats great coming from a wolverine fanwanker such as yourself:D. Sorry but its only bad writing if it goes against the status quo (spidey vs Firelord for example I consider to be bad writing. (Oh wait a spidey fanboy shouldn't say should that, guess I'm thrown out the club:rolleyes: ) Spidey has shown time and time again that he can take a beating from people that are vastly stronger than himself. Besides the blows raing down on him from juggy were hardly full strength. You try and hit someone full force when they are on your back and are a quarter of your size kettle

A Juggernaut pimp slapping should knock out Spider-man just as easily, if not moreso, and less has floored Spider-man before.

Leave his head ringing? yes, stunned? yes, put on the floor? yes knocked out? I disagree. Besides who cares what you think should happen we only have what did happen Wolvie got knocked spark out, that isn't speculation kettle thats a fact:p

Saying "so has Wolverine...." doesn't change the fact that Spider-man's abilities are as erratic as Wolverine's ever were.

Did I say it did Kettle? But now you bring it up wolvie is the Batman of the marvel universe.


Yep you still never answered any of the questions Mr Kettle

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Wow, you even threw in a joke about me being overweight?
How sad is that?
Like I give a crap.

And this "kettle" thing is beginning to make you seem more than a little...............quirky , I guess would be a nice way of putting it.

The other questions you asked are completely irrelavent.



The fact is, durable, in the most basic, original sense, means having the ability to endure.

It doesn't matter if he regrows tissue, blabbity blah blah blah.

Wolverine can take a beating better than Spider-man, for various reasons.

If Hulk punched them both, full force in the face, Wolverine has a much, much better chance of surviving it than Spider-man does.


Wolverine endures injury better than Spider-man.

[Nathan]

The fact is, durable, in the most basic, original sense, means having the ability to endure.

Well, in my basic sense it's the meaning how long a objekt can withstand a force before being broken.

So looking a skin texture, that makes Spider-Man the more durable one out of the two.

[Guyverjay]

Wow, you even threw in a joke about me being overweight?

Wow you keep calling me fanboy despite evidence to the contrary, ingenius:eek:

How sad is that?

I dunno its pretty sad, though not as sad as actually being overweight:up:

Like I give a crap.

Why bring it up then? Do you like discussing things you don't give a crap about? Seems like an act of redundancy to me. Though maybe if you gave more craps you wouldn't be a fattie:D

And this "kettle" thing is beginning to make you seem more than a little...............quirky , I guess would be a nice way of putting it.

Good for you kettle

The other questions you asked are completely irrelavent.

Irrelevent because you cannot answer them:(



The fact is, durable, in the most basic, original sense, means having the ability to endure.

Not from the defination you gave kettle, his eyes don't endure anything they get destroyed and regrows a new pair. If my TV breaks down and I buy a new one that is the same model does that mean its really durable?

It doesn't matter if he regrows tissue, blabbity blah blah blah.

Oh I think it does

Wolverine can take a beating better than Spider-man, for various reasons.

Again where did I state otherwise Kettle, you're aguing a point I haven't opposed

If Hulk punched them both, full force in the face, Wolverine has a much, much better chance of surviving it than Spider-man does.


Of course since there is no chance of wolvies skull caving in thanks to the adamantium

Wolverine endures injury better than Spider-man.

Again where have I stated otherwise?? Wolvie has a regen factor so he comesback from injuries quicker than spidey can

I said that his organs etc take damage like a normal human beings and spideys doesn't (which would be a factor in trying to knock his ass out). You're the one droning about all this other crap like a little cry baby. You're even aguing with me on points that I agree with you on bwahahahahaa you're priceless kettle:D

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Well, in my basic sense it's the meaning how long a objekt can withstand a force before being broken.

So looking a skin texture, that makes Spider-Man the more durable one out of the two.

Your basic sense isn't the basic sense, so that's a moot point. :up:

[Not Jake]

Wow, you even threw in a joke about me being overweight?
How sad is that?
Like I give a crap.

And this "kettle" thing is beginning to make you seem more than a little...............quirky , I guess would be a nice way of putting it.

The other questions you asked are completely irrelavent.



The fact is, durable, in the most basic, original sense, means having the ability to endure.

It doesn't matter if he regrows tissue, blabbity blah blah blah.

Wolverine can take a beating better than Spider-man, for various reasons.

If Hulk punched them both, full force in the face, Wolverine has a much, much better chance of surviving it than Spider-man does.


Wolverine endures injury better than Spider-man.
the blow would hurt Wolvie more than Spidey, but Wolvie would heal from it quicker. Hulk could and would knock Wolvie unconscious more quickly than he would Spidey.

[Nathan]

Your basic sense isn't the basic sense, so that's a moot point. :up:

Oh I'm pretty sure most people share my basic sense.

To me it looks like you just search for an explanation which fits your argument the best and reject everything else as moot.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Oh I'm pretty sure most people share my basic sense.

To me it looks like you just search for an explanation which fits your argument the best and reject everything else as moot.



Yeah, because durable totally doesn't mean "having the ability to endure".

I really twisted that around. :o

[Nathan]

To me, two different things.

Durability is how long a object can withstand a force before breaking.

Enduring means how long you can take the pain before screaming.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

To me, two different things.

Durability is how long a objekt can withstand a force before breaking.

Enduring means how long you can take the pain before screaming.

So Wolverine is more durable on both counts? Cool.

[Deadpool187]

I dont think Spider-Man can withstand getting his skeleton bonded to adamantium.

[Nathan]

Are you ignoring every post? We accept the fact that Wolverine's skeleton is more durable than Spider-Man. It's Adamantium for christ sake.

But we're talking about his skin tissue and inner organs. Those have the durability of any average joe that doesn't posses super powers.

[Guyverjay]

Bullseye did:D

[Nathan]

I dont think Spider-Man can withstand getting his skeleton bonded to adamantium.

....

No ****. >_>

[Nathan]

Bullseye did:D

How did that ever work out? I don't read any comics featuring Bullseye.

[Punch]

in Spider-man vs Wolverine, Spider-man is hitting Wolvie full force and says" I can't get him to stop smiling"
After that Spidey has his hands around Wolvie's neck and knows the only way to beat him is to kill him. Wolvie has his fist under SM's neck and all he has to do is pop his claws.

[Nathan]

in Spider-man vs Wolverine, Spider-man is hitting Wolvie full force and says" I can't get him to stop smiling"
After that Spidey has his hands around Wolvie's neck and knows the only way to beat him is to kill him. Wolvie has his fist under SM's neck and all he has to do is pop his claws.

Is that the horrible comic no one wants to talk about, or was that another Wolverine fight I have in my mind.

[Guyverjay]

"well, after being paralyzed in 181, ol' lester was taken by darkwind-deathstryke's daddy and had his spinal column healed through eastern medicine, he then had some of his shattered bones completely replaced by adamantium prosthetics and the rest of his skeleton plated with the stuff. I'm guessing that his oriental therapy prevents the adamantium from poisoning him. the interesting thing about bulls' is that he's probably the only marvel character who's been bonded by the guy who invented the procedure."

[Punch]

Is that the horrible comic no one wants to talk about, or was that another Wolverine fight I have in my mind.

Uhhh I don't know I thought it was a pretty cool comic, the one where Ned Leeds dies

[Nathan]

hmm... thanks.

I wonder, how did some oriental therapy help him survive the procedure of bonding Adamantium to bone? I always thought that was some horrible painfull procedure that will put your entire body through hell.

Logan at least had a healing factor helping him to survive. But all Bullseye had were some eastern medicine and oriental therapy?

[Deadpool187]

Bullseye did:D


Yeah I no I was going to make a thread about that. How the hell did he survive that. :confused: From just eastern medicine and oriental therapy?

[Eyeballing]

"well, after being paralyzed in 181, ol' lester was taken by darkwind-deathstryke's daddy and had his spinal column healed through eastern medicine, he then had some of his shattered bones completely replaced by adamantium prosthetics and the rest of his skeleton plated with the stuff. I'm guessing that his oriental therapy prevents the adamantium from poisoning him. the interesting thing about bulls' is that he's probably the only marvel character who's been bonded by the guy who invented the procedure."


Which issues did this happen in or reference to it? :D I'e known about it for years but could never find it.

[Guyverjay]

Dd#197 - 200

[Eyeballing]

Thanks yet again Guyverjay :D

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Yeah, i think where Guyverjay is from, they can get these huge tpbs containing dozens of back issues.

Am I right?

[newavengers12]

:spidey: or :wolverine

I really dont know, i like them both, but i think Wolvie is a killer and Spidey dont. So Spidey wont finish him and wolvie wold tera him apart.

[newavengers12]

My bad Spidey

[Guyverjay]

http://img203.exs.cx/img203/9509/spideyliftstrain15mm.jpg
http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/3597/r6r7xa.jpg

LOL

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, that was a funny play on the New Avengers' team dynamic. JMS writes them so much better than Hudlin. :up:

[Nathan]

Oh my god, that scan is hilarious. :up:

What issue is that? I have to get it.

[Guyverjay]

Amazing #522

[TheCorpulent1]

That first pic makes me wish Joe Bennett would come back to Marvel. :(

[Dboyonfire]

WOlverine would win no dout if he can beat the HUlk he can beat spidey idc bout any other issues previously spideys an amacher wolvies got experience and rage!!!

[Dboyonfire]

i dont think that would have happened if he knew he was gonna hit him and wolverine and done with that little tap

[Dboyonfire]

lol

[Venom.Symbiote]

WOlverine would win no dout if he can beat the HUlk he can beat spidey idc bout any other issues previously spideys an amacher wolvies got experience and rage!!!


Wolverine can't really beat the Hulk otherwise he would have done it by now. Wolverine is good but he doesn't have the strength or speed that Spidey does. Spidey's reflexes also put Logan to shame. Even without Spider-sense he outclasses Logan in these areas but when you add it, Logan really doesn't stand much of a chance. Logan may be tougher because of the adamantium but bones aren't the only things that can break or be removed on the human body. If he wanted too, Spidey could rip off Wolvie's genitals. Granted, this wouldn't kill him but it would make him wish he were dead. :venom:

[Eyeballing]

WOlverine would win no dout if he can beat the HUlk he can beat spidey idc bout any other issues previously spideys an amacher wolvies got experience and rage!!!

This is why I will no longer participate in vs. threads :rolleyes:

[Eyeballing]

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/3597/r6r7xa.jpg

LOL

THIS, IS, GREAT! :D

[spider-neil]

Spidey could rip off Wolvie's genitals. Granted, this wouldn't kill him but it would make him wish he were dead. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/spideyvenom.gif

LOL! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Big Dirty Ogre]

I have trouble believing Spider-man would throw a 300lb man with a metal skeleton out of a high rise building's window, with no concern for the innocent people below that he may land on.

Since when did Spider-man do such irresponsible things?

Didn't his uncle tell him something about responsibility once? :p

[Killswitch]

Wolverine can heal. Spider-Man can't, and his bones (despite Spider-Strengh) will break. So, Wolverine wins. PLus, he is more ruthless. Peper Parker isn't a fighter at heart.

[i'm Spider-Man]

that, and Peter's ill. it's all building up to 'The Other'... yes...

[i'm Spider-Man]

Eyeball.... your avatar is SO distracting

- ISM

[Deadpool187]

http://img203.exs.cx/img203/9509/spideyliftstrain15mm.jpg
http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/3597/r6r7xa.jpg

LOL



Thanx for the new avatar :up:

[roach]

Spider-man 2099 beats them both no problem

[Jplaya2023]

Spiderman would thrash wolvering Why?

1. because he is the G.O.A.T. of marvel

2. He's smarter, stronger and has unlimited stamina and recovery like wolvering

3. He's more battle tested and could out think logan at any point in time.

4. He can make special webbing that could entrap wolvering forever not even his adimantium claws could break it.

5. Once pissed spiderman becomes a ruthless superhero who wont stop until his opponent is destroyed

[bored]

Spiderman would thrash wolvering Why?

1. because he is the G.O.A.T. of marvel

2. He's smarter, stronger and has unlimited stamina and recovery like wolvering

3. He's more battle tested and could out think logan at any point in time.

4. He can make special webbing that could entrap wolvering forever not even his adimantium claws could break it.

5. Once pissed spiderman becomes a ruthless superhero who wont stop until his opponent is destroyed



i had to reply to this. i just had to.

1. there's no such thing as a G.O.A.T., other than a farm animal. you made it up. it's irrelevant. unless you wanted to make cheese, then goats are very helpful. and if there were one, it wouldn't be spiderman.

2. spider man doesn't have special recovery, other than the fact that super heroes never get hurt. wolverine does.

3. logan has been a soldier/assassin most of his life.

4. no, no he couldn't. get over it.

5. flies into what could be called a... berzerker rage, perhaps? who else does that?


i responded to a jplaya post. good times.

[Jplaya2023]

i had to reply to this. i just had to.

1. there's no such thing as a G.O.A.T., other than a farm animal. you made it up. it's irrelevant. unless you wanted to make cheese, then goats are very helpful. and if there were one, it wouldn't be spiderman.

2. spider man doesn't have special recovery, other than the fact that super heroes never get hurt. wolverine does.

3. logan has been a soldier/assassin most of his life.

4. no, no he couldn't. get over it.

5. flies into what could be called a... berzerker rage, perhaps? who else does that?


i responded to a jplaya post. good times.

1. apperantly you dont understand what an acronym mean smh

2. Actually spiderman's recovery rate is faster than any normal human and he can recovery rather quickly.

3. Your point is what he never had to against spidey in that role.

4. Actually he could u get over it.

5. Sense spiderman is faster he can dodge the berzerker rage which only lasts a few seconds as noted in Marvel vs capcom 2

[KAD]

1. apperantly you dont understand what an acronym mean smh

And you need help with spelling among other things

2. Actually spiderman's recovery rate is faster than any normal human and he can recovery rather quickly.

Actually its nowhere near Wolverines

3. Your point is what he never had to against spidey in that role.

But he retains all of his experience which means he is a more experienced hero and fighter

4. Actually he could u get over it.

He could dream of making it but not actually make it

5. Sense spiderman is faster he can dodge the berzerker rage which only lasts a few seconds as noted in Marvel vs capcom 2

Now you quote video games your idiocy knows no bounds

[Eyeballing]

Wolverine can heal. Spider-Man can't, and his bones (despite Spider-Strengh) will break. So, Wolverine wins. PLus, he is more ruthless. Peper Parker isn't a fighter at heart.


You'r right Peter is't a fighter. Na no way, I mean Venom, The Lizard, Dr. Octopus, The Hulk, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Sandman, Magneto, Electro, THANOS and many many others aren't fighters. Nah Pete isn't a fighter, what would give people the idea that he is? :rolleyes:

[Eyeballing]

Spiderman would thrash wolvering Why?

1. because he is the G.O.A.T. of marvel

2. He's smarter, stronger and has unlimited stamina and recovery like wolvering

3. He's more battle tested and could out think logan at any point in time.

4. He can make special webbing that could entrap wolvering forever not even his adimantium claws could break it.

5. Once pissed spiderman becomes a ruthless superhero who wont stop until his opponent is destroyed



1. apperantly you dont understand what an acronym mean smh

2. Actually spiderman's recovery rate is faster than any normal human and he can recovery rather quickly.

3. Your point is what he never had to against spidey in that role.

4. Actually he could u get over it.

5. Sense spiderman is faster he can dodge the berzerker rage which only lasts a few seconds as noted in Marvel vs capcom 2

Okay seriously Jplaya, what the hell are you talking about? Actually I should ask do you KNOW what the hell you are talking about? Actually no you don't that much is obvious. Look I just want to ask, are you being serious? I mean surely you are just pulling everone's leg right?

Yes spider silk may be 8 times stronger than steel BUT it can also be EASILY cut with just a knife. And well Wolverine's claws are many MANY times sharper and stronger than a 420/440 steel blade.

I will assume you are simply joking and messing with people with the things you said. Otherwise you have just proved that you are so into DBZ/Anime that you know very little if nothing about other comics and there background. And no one here has respect for you if you are being serious.

[Kool-Aid]

Wolverine could never beat Spider-Man. Hes just to fast and strong plus the webs.

[Cyclops]

Damn you, Kool-Aid.

[foxx5]

Wolverine can heal. Spider-Man can't, and his bones (despite Spider-Strengh) will break. So, Wolverine wins. PLus, he is more ruthless. Peper Parker isn't a fighter at heart.

I agree, Wolverine wins

[Shadow_Knight]

Wolverine will tare up Spidey.

[Vanguard07]

I honestly dont think Wolverine would have any chance.
Aside from the being several times stronger faster and more agile, aside from the being smarter and better equipped (webbing and now fancy iron spider suit) spider sense is way too huge a factor.
Spider sense is the reason you can be bigger, faster, stronger, better armed than spider-man and still stand no chance.
When the guy is dodging your moves before you make them it doesnt really matter how pissed off, hairy or canadian you are.
And you could argue that Logan could take whatever Spiderman dishes out but it's simply not true. Spiderman could just wail on him fast enough and hard enough to keep him stunned (and he would considering he knows logan can take it) and while he's stunned web him up from head to toe in several layers with no leverage for logan to cut anything with. Or just pin him under a couple cars.

Oh and btw Spiderman does heal faster than any human (though not as fast as wolverine) he can heal from broken bones in a matter of just a couple days or cuts and scrapes in a couple hours and such.
And he is somewhat invulnerable too. Not bullet proof or anything but far more resistant to impact and injury than any human. (he's taken hits from heavy hitters like juggernaut & hulk without significant injuries for instance)

[donaldthe3rd]

Spiderman would thrash wolvering Why?

1. because he is the G.O.A.T. of marvel

2. He's smarter, stronger and has unlimited stamina and recovery like wolvering

3. He's more battle tested and could out think logan at any point in time.

4. He can make special webbing that could entrap wolvering forever not even his adimantium claws could break it.

5. Once pissed spiderman becomes a ruthless superhero who wont stop until his opponent is destroyed
HA! Who are you trying to kid here? Sure Spider-man is faster, stonger, more agile, flexable and smarter, but Wolverine has way, WAAAAAAY more experience in fighting than Spider-man does. He was trained as a samurai, was in both world wars, was in the CIA and SHIELD. Lets be honest here toe to toe, Wolverine would overcome Spidey, it wouldnt be easy since he isnt as strong as the Web-Head, but he could still beat him. Plus he has a near industructable metal skeleton with 6 claws also near industructable, a healing factor, and animal senses.
And whats this about him making a web fluid that would be unable to be broken by his adamantium laced claws? I highly doubt that he could ever make a web like that both financially and scientifically. Its just impossible.
My conclusion, Wolverine wins.

[fifthfiend]

Finding this thread at the top of the forum was like walking into the bathroom and finding the last guy didn't bother to flush.

[Varient]

Finding this thread at the top of the forum was like walking into the bathroom and finding the last guy didn't bother to flush.

Truth.

[Kitsune]

Wolverine could never beat Spider-Man. Hes just to fast and strong plus the webs.

Hey Cool Aid!!!!!

[Upset Spideyfan]

If its to the death, Wolverine wins. If disabling your opponent counts then Spider-Man.

[TheCorpulent1]

And if this thread continues for much longer, we all lose. :(

[Docker2.0]

If Thor continues as the new Odin we all lose! :cmad: Seriously, I'm not liking it becuase he can't really rule Asgard and be an Avenger at the same time. I just hope Odin comes back. And yeah I know what thread this is but I'm highjacking it! :mad:

[fifthfiend]

Jesus Corp you're the mod, don't they let you lock **** like this?

[Venomfan]

well Wolverine can't get out of Spider-mans webs, he's not strong enough. His claws won't help when their pinned at his side or wherever

and if its realistic Wolverines head would come off with one punch

[donaldthe3rd]

well Wolverine can't get out of Spider-mans webs, he's not strong enough. His claws won't help when their pinned at his side or wherever

and if its realistic Wolverines head would come off with one punch
How could it come off? He has an adamantium skeleton:huh: And I don't think hes strong enough to break adamantium.

[TheCorpulent1]

Joints, I guess. If his joints were all covered in adamantium, Wolverine would be the world's most lifelike statue.
Jesus Corp you're the mod, don't they let you lock **** like this?
There's nothing wrong with vs. threads, according to the rules of the forum. :dry:

[fifthfiend]

Joints, I guess. If his joints were all covered in adamantium, Wolverine would be the world's most lifelike statue.

There's nothing wrong with vs. threads, according to the rules of the forum. :dry:

Not even versus threads that are eight pages of two-year-old dumb and suck?

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope. It was a simpler time...

[Kitsune]

Finding this thread at the top of the forum was like walking into the bathroom and finding the last guy didn't bother to flush.

And he left the lid up too.

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually walked into a bathroom at a restaurant and found a surprise waiting for me just yesterday. It was gross, and it had been sitting there so long that it was all water-logged and it looked like playdough.

[BrianWilly]

Sorry about that.

[Silicon Surfer]

How could it come off? He has an adamantium skeleton:huh: And I don't think hes strong enough to break adamantium.

The bones may be unbreakable but the tendons and ligaments that hold his bones together and the muscles to the bones are very breakable. Also a blow to the head from Spidey should kill him outright even if the skull doesn't break since the concussion would cause his brain to bang around against his super hard skull. The force of a really hard blow from Spidey should pretty much turn his brain to goo with one shot.

[Nathan]

Wouldn't work. The Hulk did the exact same thing several times and Wolverine was just groggy and unable to fight. Which is all kinds of nonsense anyway. He should've been knocked out cold on the first hit.

[fifthfiend]

I actually walked into a bathroom at a restaurant and found a surprise waiting for me just yesterday. It was gross, and it had been sitting there so long that it was all water-logged and it looked like playdough.

That's exactly the kind of surprise that this thread is.

[fifthfiend]

Nope. It was a simpler time...

Then damn the rules! You know it's the right thing to do.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I actually walked into a bathroom at a restaurant and found a surprise waiting for me just yesterday. It was gross, and it had been sitting there so long that it was all water-logged and it looked like playdough.

Yeah. Sorry bout that dawg.

[TheCorpulent1]

Sorry about that.
Yeah. Sorry bout that dawg.
You guys both made the same joke and it sucked both times. :(

[Upset Spideyfan]

It sucked your moms yo! :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think my mom has a "yo."

[Kitsune]

You guys both made the same joke and it sucked both times. :(

Maybe if they repeat it one more time, it will suddenly be funny.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I don't think my mom has a "yo."

I'M NOT PLAYING WITH YOU ANYMORE!


Maybe if they repeat it one more time, it will suddenly be funny.


Either that or we'll summon some kid of bad joke themed demon.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Candyjoke.

[kane9321]

Well spidey should whip is azz..but hw wouldnt finish the job

[Eros]

I give it to wolverine, in 5 seconds, because if wolverine really wanted to kill somebody, he will find away to kill that person. He can't be killed, he is a master of all combat, a military genuis, his bones are unbreakable, he is scarred of nothing and no one, his determination is matched only by a a few, attacking him just pisses him off, and is virtually a killing machine.

[TheCorpulent1]

My fanboy sense is tingling...

Bub.

[fifthfiend]

My "Corp should be closing this thread" sense is tingling

[TheCorpulent1]

That's not a real sense. :o

[fifthfiend]

It should be. :cmad:

[Eros]

Well spidey should whip is azz..but hw wouldnt finish the job

spider-man better make another deal with the devil, if he wants to whoop wolverines's ass.

[Varient]

(chuckle)

I still can't see it.
(Peter and Mary Jane making a deal with the devil to save aunt may.)

It just goes against everything I've read about the characters.

If Aunt May knew,.... She would Pop Peter upside his head for being so selfish,... and MJ across the rear for being so weak.


On Topic:

Spiderman could sidestep and lay Logan out with a haymaker,... then web him up,... Fight over.

This mess about "to the death"? You give Peter a good reason,..(Say,... I don't know,.. Shoot his Aunt?), And Logan's healing ability will be tested with decapatation.

V.

[Eros]

(chuckle)

I still can't see it.
(Peter and Mary Jane making a deal with the devil to save aunt may.)

It just goes against everything I've read about the characters.

If Aunt May knew,.... She would Pop Peter upside his head for being so selfish,... and MJ across the rear for being so weak.


On Topic:

Spiderman could sidestep and lay Logan out with a haymaker,... then web him up,... Fight over.

This mess about "to the death"? You give Peter a good reason,..(Say,... I don't know,.. Shoot his Aunt?), And Logan's healing ability will be tested with decapatation.

V.

You actually beleive spider-man would beat Logan in a close quarters fight, are you jokeing?:huh: How would pete go about decapatating a man with an unbreakbale skeleton, hell how would he do anything other then break his own hand?:huh:

[fifthfiend]

You actually beleive spider-man would beat Logan in a close quarters fight, are you jokeing?:huh: How would pete go about decapatating a man with an unbreakbale skeleton, hell how would he do anything other then break his own hand?:huh:

By punching him in the kidneys?

Oh god I contributed to the thread. The shame, it burns.

[Varient]

You actually beleive spider-man would beat Logan in a close quarters fight, are you jokeing?:huh: How would pete go about decapatating a man with an unbreakbale skeleton, hell how would he do anything other then break his own hand?:huh:

By punching him in the kidneys?

Oh god I contributed to the thread. The shame, it burns.

LOL
Look at it on paper and get back to me. Of course someone who can bench 25+ tons, Is fast enough to dodge bullets at almost point blank range and comes with a danger sense to do it all blindfolded is going to beat the fur off a regenerating peak human -only enhanced speed canadian with a drinking problem.

As far as tearing his head off,... there is no adamantium in his joints or between his vertabra,

I'm really surprised anyone can argue this even in jest,.. Spiderman is way out of wolverines class phycically.

V.

[Eros]

LOL
Look at it on paper and get back to me. Of course someone who can bench 25+ tons, Is fast enough to dodge bullets at almost point blank range and comes with a danger sense to do it all blindfolded is going to beat the fur off a regenerating peak human -only enhanced speed canadian with a drinking problem.

As far as tearing his head off,... there is no adamantium in his joints or between his vertabra,

I'm really surprised anyone can argue this even in jest,.. Spiderman is way out of wolverines class phycically.

V.


Well ofcourse, but so is sabertooth and dozens of other punks that Logan has taken down. How many super strong punks has cap America taken down, and etc?:o Wolverine is a miltary genuis, a trained samurai, a vastly vastly superior fighter, a trained killer,always fights to kill, and he heals a hundred times faster then Peter. I'm a bigger spider-man fan then wolverine, but Logan has more then proven he can kick Peter immature ass, and Peter probably knows it.

[donaldthe3rd]

(chuckle)

I still can't see it.
(Peter and Mary Jane making a deal with the devil to save aunt may.)

It just goes against everything I've read about the characters.

If Aunt May knew,.... She would Pop Peter upside his head for being so selfish,... and MJ across the rear for being so weak.


On Topic:

Spiderman could sidestep and lay Logan out with a haymaker,... then web him up,... Fight over.

This mess about "to the death"? You give Peter a good reason,..(Say,... I don't know,.. Shoot his Aunt?), And Logan's healing ability will be tested with decapatation.

V.
I don't know how it would be tested seeing as how Wolverine has been blown away until he was nothing but a skeleton and came back with more fight in him.

[donaldthe3rd]

Well ofcourse, but so is sabertooth and dozens of other punks that Logan has taken down. How many super strong punks has cap America taken down, and etc?:o Wolverine is a miltary genuis, a trained samurai, a vastly vastly superior fighter, a trained killer,always fights to kill, and he heals a hundred times faster then Peter. I'm a bigger spider-man fan then wolverine, but Logan has more then proven he can kick Peter immature ass, and Peter probably knows it.
I agree!

[moraldeficiency]

God, now I'm actually contributing, (curse you wolverine fanboys!). Someone just post up the fight from MTU #1, that's basically what would happen.

[TheCorpulent1]

But there wasn't an actual fight in MTU #1, it was just Wolverine webbed up with Spider-Man swinging away (and probably lol'ing).

[moraldeficiency]

But there wasn't an actual fight in MTU #1, it was just Wolverine webbed up with Spider-Man swinging away (and probably lol'ing).

Was it in #2, I remember the fight...

[TheCorpulent1]

Meh, I don't know. That issue came out like 4 years ago. My memory doesn't extend past last night's dinner.

[BrianWilly]

But there wasn't an actual fight in MTU #1, it was just Wolverine webbed up with Spider-Man swinging away (and probably lol'ing).That pretty much does describe what would happen in an actual fight between them..

[moraldeficiency]

it was just that image of a supremely pissed off canadian midget with his hands webbed against his head that was just excellent.

[TheCorpulent1]

That pretty much does describe what would happen in an actual fight between them..
Shhh! You and I know that, but if you say it too loud, you'll upset the Wolverine fanboys. :ninja:

[fifthfiend]

Well ofcourse, but so is sabertooth and dozens of other punks that Logan has taken down. How many super strong punks has cap America taken down, and etc?:o Wolverine is a miltary genuis, a trained samurai, a vastly vastly superior fighter, a trained killer,always fights to kill, and he heals a hundred times faster then Peter. I'm a bigger spider-man fan then wolverine, but Logan has more then proven he can kick Peter immature ass, and Peter probably knows it.

Thanks for reminding me that I haven't updated my ignore list for an entire couple of weeks now.

[MyPokerShirt]

gibson, my man, just do a thread search.

We've all argued in countless variations of this thread.

I'll say what I think, though, anyway.


I think Wolverine would win.

Spider-man has what he needs to take Wolverine down on paper, but he doesn't have the personality to do what's necessary.

Wolverine can take a beating from Spiderman all day long, and eventually, Spider-man will slip up, and get gutted.

We've seen Wolverine break quickly Spidey's webbing a few times, so we know it's possible.

Once you piss Wolverine off enough, he'll fight until there's nothing left.

Spider-man beating Wolverine would require him to act in a way he never has before, and never will.


There was a spider-man vs wolverine annual or something where this happened, wasn't there? And at the end some girl tricked spidey into actually killing her. It was awesome but long winded and I got a bit bored tbh... But yeah Wolverine would win because he'd go further. Spider-Man should win but doesn't have the balls. Hence Kirkman's little show in MTU #1. That's what should happen but there's no way of showing it because it won't happen... if you get me.

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't get you. I think it may be because what you just said doesn't make any sense.

[fifthfiend]

There was a spider-man vs wolverine annual or something where this happened, wasn't there? And at the end some girl tricked spidey into actually killing her. It was awesome but long winded and I got a bit bored tbh... But yeah Wolverine would win because he'd go further. Spider-Man should win but doesn't have the balls. Hence Kirkman's little show in MTU #1. That's what should happen but there's no way of showing it because it won't happen... if you get me.

Awesome! Every time I add another name to my ignore list an angel gets his wings.

[Varient]

Hell no Spidey has had his ass whipped by Doom

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Back in the 80's I'd give spidey a shot at Iron man (after all he wiped his ass with Iron man 2020 and the jury) but now Iron man is too powerful. How would spidey beat Ice man?

I looked at the pictures and realized (over a year later) that Spidey wasn't even trying to fight Doom,.. he was keeping Doom from killing the Fox.


critical difference.

[Eros]

Thanks for reminding me that I haven't updated my ignore list for an entire couple of weeks now.

who are you again:huh:

[IRON_Lad]

Wolverine easily

[venom892]

I still don't understand how anyone can rationalize giving Wolverine the edge?

[TheCorpulent1]

No one really rationalizes anything in versus threads. There's a lot of subjectivity masquerading as fact.