2005-2006 NBA thread

[Cudzo]

Oh, and i think the laker pheonix game goes to show how nessessary it is to have a total team effort in order to advance. the only difference in this instance between a Laker win or loss is Kobe getting his shot on track. I hate Kobe so lets hope that never happens

[Erundur]

Quick question: Yao Ming or Patrick Ewing

Seriously? :confused:

















Ewing :o

Also I agree with what Cudzo had said.^^^

[Cudzo]

here is why i was asking about the ewing ming comparison: i got into a conversation w/ someone who said that Yao Ming was a dud. i said hardly so, that he is actually comparible to Ewing. As thier best seasons go, here is how they match up in thier forth years.

Ewing: ppg 28.6 rpg 10.9 apg 2.2 bpg 4
Ming : ppg 22.3 rpg 10.19 apg 1.49 bpg 1.65

The most dramatic diffrence are in points and blocks. Though when it comes to points, its important to note thta Ewing never played with a caliber player such as Tracy McGrady, who demands the ball far more. So maybe i should reword my question
Are Ming and Ewing comparible ?

[Go Web Go!]

Ewing in his Orlando/Seattle days is better than Yao. That's a dumb question.

[Mister J]

Are you really trying to compare one of the greatest players in League history with a guy who just starting playing decent ball?

First, The Riddler and now this. Where the hell did all this Yao Ming Kool-Aid come from?

[Tangled Web]

Anyone here like college football? I made a thread about how 'SC might be put on probation and have to forfeit all of their games last year.

[Jplaya2023]

here is why i was asking about the ewing ming comparison: i got into a conversation w/ someone who said that Yao Ming was a dud. i said hardly so, that he is actually comparible to Ewing. As thier best seasons go, here is how they match up in thier forth years.

Ewing: ppg 28.6 rpg 10.9 apg 2.2 bpg 4
Ming : ppg 22.3 rpg 10.19 apg 1.49 bpg 1.65

The most dramatic diffrence are in points and blocks. Though when it comes to points, its important to note thta Ewing never played with a caliber player such as Tracy McGrady, who demands the ball far more. So maybe i should reword my question
Are Ming and Ewing comparible ?

No he isnt sorry 2 different era's 2 different styles of play

[Ocelot]

Anyone here like college football? I made a thread about how 'SC might be put on probation and have to forfeit all of their games last year.

Who gives a ****?

[Mister J]

Goddammit! Haslem is suspended for Game 2 tonight.

Crazyman Artest is suspended too for cracking Ginobili with a forearm shiver.

[Erundur]

Goddammit! Haslem is suspended for Game 2 tonight.

Crazyman Artest is suspended too for cracking Ginobili with a forearm shiver.

I'm not well known in the Miami circle but is Haslem that important if he misses game 2? and if so...does this give the bulls a slight chance of winning if any at all?


Of course I'm asking because I missed game 1 of the bulls v. heat match.

[Mister J]

He's not critical or anything, but he starts and I rather have him there. He's a solid guy on the boards and can knock down an open J. It's not going to swing the balance at all, it just means Walker and Posey will get some more PT.

[Super_Ludacris]

Back from a weekend of NBA Playoffs

Best moment in the playoffs: Tim Thomas giving the Lakers the "Tony Yayo/John Cena" Hand Waive after knocking down the 3 :). Oh yes!

[DarthRekal]

its nice to know even when you're expected to lose folx still hate you...... thats respect FOLX..... the lakers are tradition..hate em cause you cant be em.......



14 ships and counting.....


and our little brothers the clips....... man those guys how can you not root for them...




man melo is just clutch!...................PPPPPPPPPPHAHAHAHHAHAHAH AHA

[Go Web Go!]

Goddammit! Haslem is suspended for Game 2 tonight.

Crazyman Artest is suspended too for cracking Ginobili with a forearm shiver.

I would be extremely pissed off if I were Pat Riley, or anyone on the Heat for that matter. You would think the NBA higher-ups would notify Miami of Haslem's suspension atleast 24 hours prior to tip off instead of just a few hours beforehand.

[DarthRekal]

I would be extremely pissed off if I were Pat Riley, or anyone on the Heat for that matter. You would think the NBA higher-ups would notify Miami of Haslem's suspension atleast 24 hours prior to tip off instead of just a few hours beforehand.

i hate the heat ..but even i agree..... i guess general stern isnt playin:down

[Go Web Go!]

i hate the heat ..but even i agree..... i guess general stern isnt playin:down

Knicks fan, eh? :O

[DarthRekal]

Knicks fan, eh? :O

nope LAKERS!:)

[M-Dogg]

hosestly i hope housten goes to the finals but there not going its gonna be dallas and detroit so wut eva go detroit

[DarthRekal]

hosestly i hope housten goes to the finals but there not going its gonna be dallas and detroit so wut eva go detroit

houstons not even in the dance:eek:



go lakes...

then go clips


then go mavs

then go bulls

then go nets:up:

[XwolverineX]

Please Denver, please win. :(

[Assassin]

Sheed's making up for last years game 7

[LastSunrise1981]

It seems Stern is trying to help the Spurs all of a sudden, because I've seen others do worse and not get suspended.

I remember Bruce Bowen kicked Ray Allen while he was down and all he received was a fine. Guess it's due in part to Artest's history and of course the brawl at the Palace doesn't help either.

On the bright side though, my Mavs are 1-0 against the Grizzlies and while we won't sweep them, it will be a very good and competitive series. :up:

[BEER]

Go Mavs!

[Go Web Go!]

Please Denver, please win. :(

Down 20 in the 1st. Ouch.





Heat win, :up:

[NOFX]

Please Denver, please win. :(
LOL :D

[Mister J]

Have the Clippers ever been up 2-0...ever?

[NOFX]

Have the Clippers ever been up 2-0...ever?
I dont think so, but I know they havent been in the 2nd round since the 70s :O

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ that nikka Wade looking like Damon Wayans with the fresh baldy.

[XwolverineX]

Denver sucks, they're terrible. Oh well, my second favorite team is down for the count, but Clevelend will not share a similar fate!

[Go Web Go!]

Denver sucks, they're terrible. Oh well, my second favorite team is down for the count, but Clevelend will not share a similar fate!

They will once the play Detroit, :o

[Milkman95]

It's hilarious how Detroit still doesn't get any respect. Heck, after their first game blowout of Milwaukee Kobe and the Laker's still got more run on ESPN after a loss. It's what fuels this team and it will continue to fuel them up until they win their second championship this year in 3 years............

[Mister J]

It's hilarious how Detroit still doesn't get any respect. Heck, after their first game blowout of Milwaukee Kobe and the Laker's still got more run on ESPN after a loss. It's what fuels this team and it will continue to fuel them up until they win their second championship this year in 3 years............
Oh yeah. Boo-hoo for the Pistons, the Rodney Dangerfields of the NBA. They've only been tabbed as the best team in the League all year and the favorite to win the championship. Shame on the collective media for not bowing at the feet of Mighty Motown! How dare they pay attention to the actions of marquee players like Mamba, Lebron and D.Wade. Every SportsCenter should lead off with Detroit, regardless of the fact that they're not a team of separate and flashy individuals who garner the limelight. Who cares if other series have generated more of a buzz because the general consensus is that Detroit will smash Milwaukee and that it's really not that compelling of a series.

There ought to be a law. :mad:

[Super_Ludacris]

For real though the league should be bowing down and give Detroit a hand job for the fundamental play that all writers, coaches etc. have complained is missing in the leagur for years (No Brokeback)

[Mister J]

The funny thing is, for all the complaints of lost cohesion in the game and the rise of individualism that you see, I believe the media and the general public want it that way. The press doesn't want to write articles about the beauty of a halfcourt offense. ESPN doesn't want to have highlights showcasing the bounce pass and how to get the ball in the post. People want to see prolific scorers, slam dunks and sacrificing defense for the sake of offense.

Teams like the Pistons and Spurs who really endorse the fundamental style of play are regarded as boring and derided for not bringing in big ratings. You know Godfather Stern is praying that it doesn't come down to a repeat of last year's Finals. The League brass is hoping against all that some flash gets in the way of that substance. I don't know what it would take to get back to a League with free-flowing offense and cooperative defense, as opposed to the stagnant offense and clutch-and-grab defense seen now.

[Super_Ludacris]

It's weird though, because for some reason Detroit to me is one of the most exciting teams to watch........even though there not. I guess I say that as a person who plays the game of basketball, I've found to be intruiging as hell to watch. It's like every game there on the court no superstars and in a lot of games they trail behind early. It's fun watching them claw back because it looks almost realistic and the plays they set and things of that nature that you as a player can relate too in a big game.
Only other team I like is Phoenix, and thats because I'm a long time fan of Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudamire and there explosivness. But even this year its been fun watching them maintain that level play without the big fella. Everybody else is cool but there the status quo and all that.

[Mister J]

That may be the first time I've heard someone say they find Detroit's play exciting. Although from a purist standpoint, I can dig it. They move the ball well, make the extra pass and knock down J's. A number of their players are versatile and they play to that. The defensive proficiency goes without saying.

I used to think it was just the coach, but they've been kicking ass under Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown and Flip Saunders. Them boys know to execute and cater to their strengths. It's very strategic and methodical.

[Assassin]

They will once the play Detroit, :o

Haha:up:

[Assassin]

It's weird though, because for some reason Detroit to me is one of the most exciting teams to watch........even though there not. I guess I say that as a person who plays the game of basketball, I've found to be intruiging as hell to watch. It's like every game there on the court no superstars and in a lot of games they trail behind early. It's fun watching them claw back because it looks almost realistic and the plays they set and things of that nature that you as a player can relate too in a big game.
Only other team I like is Phoenix, and thats because I'm a long time fan of Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudamire and there explosivness. But even this year its been fun watching them maintain that level play without the big fella. Everybody else is cool but there the status quo and all that.

When you watch a lakers game, you know when Kobe has the ball, a big shot's coming, but when you watch the Pistons, you never know whos gonna get the big shot, its always a suprise.

[Super_Ludacris]

Exactly, and there home crowd is one of the most energetic crowds out here. So, **** if the ratings aint there it's fun in june to watch the city of Detroit get behind it's team, that Arena is off the chain like Sacramento or Orlando back in the day.

[Assassin]

same with the wings..hell we even sell out every lions game, its sad

[Super_Ludacris]

Detroit overall goes hard at shows it seems. Whether it's Hip Hop, Rock concerts or Pro Wrestling events. Y'all got live crowds

[Assassin]

dont get me started on wrestling lol

we envented the "what?" chant in the stone cold era, every one else saw us on tv and emulated us

[Super_Ludacris]

seen...

[DarthRekal]

Have the Clippers ever been up 2-0...ever?

never..its a done dodda! clips to tha second


chi towns done too---:down


if the lakes dont win tomorrow they will be done too...

I LOVE them but im real:(

[Stringer]

The Clips, with that roster, could really contend for a title very very soon. Especially if Livingston realizes his potential:up:

[DarthRekal]

i dont know i would like them too..but i dont see it happening...the spurs are too strong and when the suns get amare back ..WATCH OUT:eek:

[NOFX]

The Clips, with that roster, could really contend for a title very very soon. Especially if Livingston realizes his potential:up:
Yup, Livingston has the potential to become the best pointguard in the league! Corey maggette before his injury was playing at a all-star level averaging almost 22 a game! :eek: And Elton Brand is only 26 and is only going to get better! And lets not forget that have Minnesota first round pick because of Cassell trade! I wonder how the t-wolves are doing with Jaric:D

[Stringer]

^Poor KG:(

[DarthRekal]

^Poor KG:(

thats okay ..he'll be in la too soon

[NOFX]

thats okay ..he'll be in la too soon
What do u mean :confused:

[DarthRekal]

:) What do u mean :confused:

kg to la.....



the LAKESHOW baby!:eek: :up:

[Ghostvirus]

Bold Prediction. Kevin Garnett will be wearing a Chicago Bulls uniform next year.

[DarthRekal]

Bold Prediction. Kevin Garnett will be wearing a Chicago Bulls uniform next year.


HA that is bold..but its very doable...chicago has ALOT of trade bait

[Ghostvirus]

Its just a feeling I have. I got the same feeling before Dennis Rodman got traded to Chicago to.

[DarthRekal]

Its just a feeling I have. I got the same feeling before Dennis Rodman got traded to Chicago to.

john paxson?? is that you????...I KEED:)

[XwolverineX]

NOOOOO... Clevelend, crush 'em to pieces!!! :mad:

[Assassin]

i tried watchin the wiz cavs game..this **** is boring as hell

[Go Web Go!]

:)

kg to la.....



the LAKESHOW baby!:eek: :up:

Unless it's a Kobe for Garnett deal (which is not going to happen) Garnett won't be with the Lakers next season. Who does LA have to offer? Odom? Any deal not involving Bryant is a bad one, and like I said, that just isn't happening. I'd say KG has a better chance of landing in Chicago. They have the right pieces to complete a trade with the Wolves.

[Assassin]

wheres your triple double now? the only king you guys have left is the burger king sucka :p

[XwolverineX]

wheres your triple double now? the only king you guys have left is the burger king sucka :p



He expect him to get a TD every game? :confused:

[Go Web Go!]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think Donyell Marshall looks like a roided up Lala from MTV (aka Mrs. Carmelo Anthony) :(

[XwolverineX]

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[Assassin]

haha

[Mister J]

What's up with Mamba reportedly wanting to change numbers for next year?

So far, today's games have sucked. Maybe there's hope in the Sterns...I mean Spurs-Kings.

[Go Web Go!]

What's up with Mamba wanting to change numbers for next year?

Here's the story:http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2421874

Maybe he wants to 1-up Michael Jordan, :rolleyes:

Lets face it. No one's going to remember him as #24 if he does infact change it. Is anyone going to remember MJ wearing 45? No, not so much. And just like MJ's number change, I don't think this is going to last. Stupid attention-whore Kobe. :mad:

[Mister J]

Here's the story:http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2421874

Maybe he wants to 1-up Michael Jordan, :rolleyes:


I thought it was because he planned on taking 3 times as many shots next year and wanted to compensate for it in his number. :confused:

[The Riddler]

8 i think is a better number than 24.

[Go Web Go!]

Well...that Spurs/Kings game went from a good game in regulation to a total CRAPFEST in overtime. :(

[Ocelot]

The Bulls-Heat game should be a good one-with the Bulls on the losing side again of course, but it will be most likely an exciting game.

[Trainwreck2100]

I just back back from the Spurs game, and just for laughs, a cheerleader kicked Bavetta, who hasn't wanted to see that?

[Go Web Go!]

I'd rather see a cheerleader kick Joey Crawford or Steve Javie. Anyway, I read that Kenyon Martin has been suspended indefinitely. Apparently he pulled a Ben Wallace and refused to re-enter Monday's blowout loss to the Clips.

[Ocelot]

I read that Kenyon Martin is an overrated dick head. Any truth to that?

[NOFX]

I'd rather see a cheerleader kick Joey Crawford or Steve Javie. Anyway, I read that Kenyon Martin has been suspended indefinitely. Apparently he pulled a Ben Wallace and refused to re-enter Monday's blowout loss to the Clips.
To think they said he had a groin injurty:confused: And when the clips blow out the Pistons????!!! :eek:

[Go Web Go!]

I read that Kenyon Martin is an overrated dick head. Any truth to that?

Certainly

To think they said he had a groin injurty:confused: And when the clips blow out the Pistons????!!! :eek:

I meant that he "pulled a Ben Wallace" by refusing to enter Monday's game vs. LA the way Wallace refused to enter a game late in the season against the Magic. :up:

[Mister J]

Dumb Ass Kenyon Gets Suspended (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2422069)

[XwolverineX]

23-8, **** this. How'd they lose? ****.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Here's the story:http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2421874

Maybe he wants to 1-up Michael Jordan, :rolleyes:

Lets face it. No one's going to remember him as #24 if he does infact change it. Is anyone going to remember MJ wearing 45?:mad:I will I was one of those people who got the jersey :(

[Ultimate_Superman]

Anyways how bout dem Wizards. Did you see how upset James was getting they made the cavs afraid to come down the lane. Thats what I am talking about this is the playoffs hard fouls are expected in this game. Thats why very few go into the lane in playoff time with Shaq. Also GA needs to go to the hole more their is no one on that team that could match his speed. Hell Wade can't even match his speed. Nor do I think Wade is a better player he just has a better team around him.

[Mister J]

Anyways how bout dem Wizards. Did you see how upset James was getting they made the cavs afraid to come down the lane. Thats what I am talking about this is the playoffs hard fouls are expected in this game. Thats why very few go into the lane in playoff time with Shaq. Also GA needs to go to the hole more their is no one on that team that could match his speed. Hell Wade can't even match his speed. Nor do I think Wade is a better player he just has a better team around him.
:mad:

[Erundur]

:mad:

^:D:D:D

[Mister J]

At Least It Ain't Mamba (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2422255)
Reports say Nash earns NBA MVP award
ESPN.com news services

PHOENIX -- Steve Nash will win his second straight NBA Most Valuable Player award, according to reports on several area newspapers.

The announcement may not come for two weeks, according to the Arizona Republic. But the paper, and others, report that the voting shows Nash edging LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, Chauncey Billups and Kobe Bryant for the MVP.

This season, Nash had career-highs in points (18.8 points per game), rebounds (4.2 per game), field goal percentage (51.2 percent) and free throw percentage (92.1 percent -- best in the league). He was also the league-leader in assists (10.5) and shot nearly 50 percent from three-point range.

The Suns are currently playing the Los Angeles Lakers in the first round of the Western Conference playoffs.

A year ago, Nash edged Shaquille O'Neal in what was the fourth-closest balloting in history.

[Ultimate_Superman]

:mad:What its the truth. Look at every time he plays GA he has a hard time keeping up with him and GA always can blow by him at will. The problem becomes for GA is if I blow by Wade do I really want to pay for it with Shaq? I mean look at last playoff series he was forever blowing by Wade and that was before he got hurt.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Plus lets not forget GA can shoot the 3 Wade cant make a 3 to save his life. All around GA is a better player then Wade it just helps Wade that he has an All-Star team around him which has trouble beating the Bulls. I swear if the Bulls had one good Big Man the would be up 2-0 as well as the Wizards if they had one good Big Man they would be up 2-0 too.

[Mister J]

What its the truth. Look at every time he plays GA he has a hard time keeping up with him and GA always can blow by him at will. The problem becomes for GA is if I blow by Wade do I really want to pay for it with Shaq? I mean look at last playoff series he was forever blowing by Wade and that was before he got hurt.
Blow by him at will? ::rolleyes: Come on. You make it out like he embarasses Wade when that couldn't be farther from the truth. Of course a good offensive player like Arenas is going to get by people. The game is skewed for offensive players to do just that.

I seem to remember Wade blowing by numerous people in that series sweep, Arenas amongst them.

[Ultimate_Superman]

True Wade blew by other people but not GA. I mean GA stayed with Wade sure he might have got the step on him now and then but GA was always puting Wade in foul trouble because of his speed. Also Wade last series was mainly covered by a former Wizard.

[Mister J]

Plus lets not forget GA can shoot the 3 Wade cant make a 3 to save his life. All around GA is a better player then Wade it just helps Wade that he has an All-Star team around him which has trouble beating the Bulls. I swear if the Bulls had one good Big Man the would be up 2-0 as well as the Wizards if they had one good Big Man they would be up 2-0 too.
Yes, that's exactly it. Everything that is D.Wade is solely because of his All-Star teammates. Admittedly, Wade doesn't shoot the 3 well, but the rest of that post is hilarious; alot of 'what if's. It's obvious your mind is made up, so this really isn't worth continuing. I just assume you're happy with the minority who share that opinion.

[Ultimate_Superman]

You can say what you want but I think GA is a better player then Wade. I mean Wade is good but not better then GA. Hell I'll say that Gordon is better then Wade.

[Mister J]

You can say what you want but I think GA is a better player then Wade. I mean Wade is good but not better then GA. Hell I'll say that Gordon is better then Wade.

That's funnier than the Arenas argument. Unless you're talking about Flash Gordon, then I might have to consider it. I mean, that guy has saved the universe before.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Okay you show me how Wade is a better all around player then Arenas. I have yet to see it.

[Mister J]

Okay you show me how Wade is a better all around player then Arenas. I have yet to see it. God, I said I wouldn't get into this...


Wade shoots a higher FG%. You've already mentioned that he doesn't shoot the 3 well (only 13-76 this year), yet he still gets his shot whenever we wants and blows by people all day. It would seem people would have an easier time defending him because of that lack of range, but he goes flat by them from behind the arc or wherever and gets a shot he wants. His percentage is better than all the League's high scorers who play on the perimeter.


All-Start teammates? I'll give you the Diesel, but how much of a reliance are you going to put on that (especially when Wade steps it up and does more when Shaq is injured or out of the game)? Don't tell me you think Walker and Payton are as prolific as they were in their primes and still play an All-Star level. They're both in reserve roles. Besides Wade was still doing his thing in past years before those guys were even there. Even his rookie season when he was running with Odom and Caron. I seem to remember Jamison being in a All-Star game or two. Does that somehow lessen what Arenas does? The Heat have a better roster, but Wade isn't even close to just being a product of that environment.


Wade plays lockdown D. Second Team All-Defense last year and I'd be surprised if he didn't do it again, if not First Team. Arenas is comparable in steals, but I've seen Wade take guys flat out of their game, beating them to position, forcing bad shots and contesting a good amount of them. Additionally, he puts up a ridiculous amount of blocks for a guard.


Wade has slightly better numbers in assists (even though Arenas runs the point) and a big margin in rebounding. The Assist/TO ratio goes to Wade too.


Wade is a closer. This man steps up and dominates games in the clutch. He's done it numerous times. I don't know how many times I've heard analysts/writers comment that he'll just take over a game in an instant. The only other name I've heard mentioned with anywhere near the same frequency is Mamba.


I'm still laughing about that Ben Gordon thing. It didn't merit a serious response.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Vaild points MJ I just think as an all around player GA is better given the team he has to work with and Gordan is what in his second or thrid season give him 2 more and think he will be better then Wade he has that drive and fire in him to never give up that I don't think Wade has to much. You get them down by alot you take Wade out of his game and you get Gordan down by alot and he steps up.

[Mister J]

It's all good. Arenas is definitely a hell of a player; I had him pegged wrong with the Warriors.

The thing about Gordon that bothers me is his seeming inconsistentcy. One game, he's lights out. The next night he could be MIA. I haven't seen enough of his actual games to fully critique his D, but I feel he's somewhat one-dimensional right now. But as long as he keeps his ass away from the 3-point for the rest of this series, I don't have a problem with him.

[Go Web Go!]

Okay you show me how Wade is a better all around player then Arenas. I have yet to see it.

Woooow. That may be the single dumbest thing I've EVER read in this discussion. Well, Mister J already stepped up with a good argument against it, so I'll just say this: Wade 16-0 vs. Arenas and the Wizards (including playoffs)









I don't want to hear "he has Shaq" as an excuse, :mad:

[Super_Ludacris]

Props on Nash winning he deserved it. And good to see Chauncey moved ahead of Kobe

[Equint77]

SA got soooo ****ing lucky last night with that Barry 3....

Sac should have won... but Bonzi couldn't hit his free throws. :(

oh well.

[Go Web Go!]

I really thought it was going to be LeBron and Kobe fighting for MVP with Nash having an outside shot, so it was a bit of a surprise. You can't argue against him winning it. He did the same thing this year (maybe even more) that he did last year and he did it with less.

[Super_Ludacris]

San Antonio's clutchness is what's gonna win them the chip. As much as I want Detroit to win, I think San Antonio has paced themselves ready and it maybe a repeat of last year

[Equint77]

San Antonio's clutchness is what's gonna win them the chip. As much as I want Detroit to win, I think San Antonio has paced themselves ready and it maybe a repeat of last year

I don't know.... I just wish the finals were set already cause they both seem evenly matched.... Sac went at them pretty hard and by pure luck (can you really call that banker clutch? lol) they made it to OT and won the game.

It'll be intersting to see how Sac does now with Artest coming back... and anyone else surprised at Kevin Martin's play? It might be a fluke but damn.. he played his ass off last night.

[Super_Ludacris]

I don't know.... I just wish the finals were set already cause they both seem evenly matched.... Sac went at them pretty hard and by pure luck (can you really call that banker clutch? lol) they made it to OT and won the game.

It'll be intersting to see how Sac does now with Artest coming back... and anyone else surprised at Kevin Martin's play? It might be a fluke but damn.. he played his ass off last night.

Well it's just that it seems San Antonio gotta a lot more accurate clutch shooters (Barry, Ginoblli and his nose and Horry)

[DarthRekal]

on kobes jersey change...what ever the reason is...its a bad move and i hate it:down


on the mvp...yall are a bunch of mamba haters!:mad: ..that said...NASH deserves just as much as lbj,kobe or chauncey..really tough this year.... you could argue for all them cats....


on the big dance....the CLIP show baby!.... LOL in all honesty they have the right pievces to make it ..i see san anton falling this year..no real insight ..just a gut feeling..... ultimatly..i see the pistons winning...and honestly i think flip deserves it ...and i love them cats..its like they just reg peeps who play ball

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah I read about that jersey change. Wasnt 24 Jellybean's number in philly?

[NOFX]

No one has talked about it but avery johnson won coach of the year! Whats your feelings about this? I feel that Mike Dunleavy should have won coach of the year! I mean no one predicted this would have happen to the clippers!!!! NOT EVEN GOD HIMSELF HAD THE POWER TO DO THE IMPOSSIBLE! And now the clippers are on the verge of going to the 2nd round of the playoffs which hasnt happen since the 1970s! :cool: Mike Dunleavy coach of the year!

[Super_Ludacris]

Lmao@nofx

[DarthRekal]

Yeah I read about that jersey change. Wasnt 24 Jellybean's number in philly?

his freshman year..in his senior year he wore 33..but thats the caps number..either way ..bad move...we might as well trade him now...its karma people ..KARMA

[Super_Ludacris]

He probably did it cause he wants a fresh start or something

[Stringer]

I cant believe Nash is a two time MVP winner, not that he didnt deserve it but c'mon:down

[Mister J]

^ That is rather surprising when you think about it. Nash is going to do it back to back. Thinking of that in the context of all the greats who never won a MVP or only won one, it's pretty staggering.

[DarthRekal]

^ That is rather surprising when you think about it. Nash is going to do it back to back. Thinking of that in the context of all the greats who never won a MVP or only won one, it's pretty staggering.

yup..in one light its kinda sad..in another it makes you wonder where you would rank nash all time???

he wasnt that good in dallas:confused:

[Mister J]

Nash is a wonderful playmaker and is definitely the key in Phoenix. With that said, he doesn't come close to playing defense and that whole Phoenix system in predicated on a helter-skelter pace that's nearly tailor-made for him. They don't have a chance in hell at a title. Nash didn't turn into a sensation overnight. He's been a solid player for a long time, but they don't even miss him in Dallas. Hell, they've actually gotten better. What does that say? As well as he's played the past two years, I don't think his run is as good as J.Kidd's when he was taking the Nets to the Finals...and Kidd never won ****.

[Stringer]

^ That is rather surprising when you think about it. Nash is going to do it back to back. Thinking of that in the context of all the greats who never won a MVP or only won one, it's pretty staggering.
Exactly. Shaq only has one and J-Kidd a superior pg in his prime compared to Nash doesnt even have one.

[DarthRekal]

Nash is a wonderful playmaker and it definitely the key in Phoenix. With that said, he doesn't come close to playing defense and that whole Phoenix system in predicated on a helter-skelter pace that's nearly tailor-made for him. They don't have a chance in hell at a title. Nash didn't turn into a sensation overnight. He's been a solid player for a long time, but they don't even miss him in Dallas. Hell, they've actually gotten better. What does that say? As well as he's played the past two years, I don't think his run is as good as J.Kidd's when he was taking the Nets to the Finals...and Kidd never won ****.

dang mj you speaking truth..you almost made me forget you're a mamba hater.....



ALMOST:mad: :)

[Mister J]

dang mj you speaking truth..you almost made me forget you're a mamba hater.....
ALMOST:mad: :)
I don't hate him. I just think he's a selfish player who wants to win on his own terms. To accomplish that end, he screwed up a championship-calibur team so he could solely gather the glory if they ever got back on top. Until his philosophy changes, I hope he doesn't win a thing.

With that said, you can't knock him in terms of talent. He's a jaw-dropping performer.

By the way, what's the over/under on his shot total tonight. I got money on 30+.

[DarthRekal]

i got 40+ ..... prolly a loss too

i hope to god they win..... but i dont think they can slow nash like they did in game one and our role players cant have a game like they did on sunday....

[Mister J]

OK, so news of this MVP nonsense gets around and what does Mamba do? Does he jack up 30+ shots and make my words prophetic? Nope. This bastard goes 12-24, rebounds all over the place, continues to get people involved, closes the game out and picks up a W on the road.

****ing Mamba. :down

[Tamanon]

http://www.*********.com/files/hdd2/11452/kobe%20nash.gif

Charge was a bit iffy, but it was definitely a dang good looking dunk.

-edit- Didn't realize it was 3.1 megs, just made a link instead of an image.

[Go Web Go!]

Chaaaaarge!

[Mister J]

It was definitely a charge.

****ing Mamba. :down

[Go Web Go!]

A couple of questionable calls towards the end with that dunk being one of them and also what should have been a loose ball foul call on...well, I'm not sure because I didn't remember who it was, but Doug Collins pointed it out. This is what happens when Joey Crawford officiates a game. Steve Nash should have thrown his mouthpiece at him.

[Super_Ludacris]

Definetly was a charge but Kobe did that cause he's ego wouldnt let go of the fact he wasnt MVP


http://www.*********.com/files/hdd2/11452/kobe%20nash.gif


For all the Kobe-stans...

[Super_Ludacris]

From another angle

http://www.upshizzle.com/x/whats-that-on-your-chin.gif

[XwolverineX]

Kobe for a number change is the stupid. :confused: 'Sides, 8 is a MUCH cooler number then 24. :o



Nash for MVP is a good thing. ( PROUD TO BE CANADIAN :D:cool: ) However Lebron shoulda got it, obviously. :o:down

[DOG LIPS]

Yay Mavs!!!

Can someone explain exactly what K-Mart did? They keep talking about it but not going into too much detail.

[Mister J]

Yay Mavs!!!

Can someone explain exactly what K-Mart did? They keep talking about it but not going into too much detail.

He was *****about his lack of playing time, even though he hasn't really been practicing and...

"Sources told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith that Martin went into a profanity-laced tirade against [Head Coach George] Karl during halftime of Game 2 on Monday night."

[DOG LIPS]

Reeaallyyy bad time for him to pull that, or to get suspended indefinitely. :down

[Mister J]

And all this from a guy who demanded a max contract in the off-season. What a prick.

[DOG LIPS]

This was posted yesterday I guess (sorry if it's been posted)

Statement from Kenyon Martin Regarding Suspension


DENVER, Apr. 26 -- “First and foremost, I want to apologize to my teammates and coaching staff for my actions on Monday night. There is nothing more important to me than being a good teammate and giving 110% effort each and every day. Nothing will ever change that.

"I sincerely regret if this situation has been a distraction for the team, Mr. Kroenke and the Denver Nuggets organization.

"I take the responsibility of representing the Denver Nuggets very seriously and I truly hope that Nuggets fans understand that. I support the team fully and can’t wait to rejoin them on the court as soon as possible. Right now, the focus should be on the playoffs and getting a Game 3 victory.”

[Go Web Go!]

Martin is a piece of ****. He's falling out of favor with his coach and his teammates (who have said anonimously to reporters that they've "lost faith" in him) and really not many people in the NBA like him.

Wait...Max contract? **** attitude? Perfect fit for the New York Knicks!

[Super_Ludacris]

To be fair, Denver is stupid as hell not to let a big man like Martin get more playing time especially in the playoffs. So what do you do when your down 0-2? Oh let's suspend the dude. It's on you Melo

Denver ****ed around and handed the series to the Clippers. I expect a 4-0 sweep.

Was he a baby for moaning? Yep. Was he justified in asking for playing time, being a key player that he is during the most important time of the year? Yep

[Kipobe]

I'm a Laker fan, and yes... that was a charge. Bad officiating... but I can live with it. I still think the Lakers would've won anyway, just like the Suns and their fans think they would've won regardless of the bad (non) call at the end of game one against Kobe.

Regardless, the games so far have rested on who executed their gameplan better. In favor of the Lakers, if both executed perfectly, they'd win because their inside/outside game tops the Suns full-court game... plus they can expose their lack of defense alot better than Phoenix can expose LA's poor defense.

I really, really tip my hat to Phil Jackson. Put aside the claims that he can only coach good teams, that's nonsense. He can coach good players who have no sort of direction. Before taking over Chicago, what were the Bulls doing? They had a good team, and no chance of going further any time soon. Before LA there was Del -- get swept in the post-season -- Harris and Kurt Rambus. Neither were that influential to the teams success. They couldn't do much despite having both Shaq and Kobe. Jackson goes there in year one and wins a championship 3 times in a row. Goes 6 games in the WCF the next year and then back to the finals the year after. He splits, and the Lakers have a pityful record and no post-season entrance.

Just because Shaq is gone? Well, their only major move during the off-season was bringing in Brown for whatshisname (name temporarily eludes me... but that guy who looks like my friend Chris....) a trade that most people thought was bad for LA... and suddenly they're more efficient, and execute their gameplan almost to perfection. It took a whole season, but LA is playing at their current maximum skill level. Jackson sat back and calmly watched where his pieces would be most effective.

How long has Walton been in the league? He's been for the most part quite pointless... and now in the past few weeks he's becoming a staple in both their offence and defence. Brown is stepping up in place of Mihm, and he's becoming aggressive whilst settling down. His training under Kareem is finally showing. The role players are starting to show... their bench has never been that strong, but they can hit shots. I'm seeing early signs of the Steve Kerr type in Jackson's bench.

Parker has been quite solid since he's shown up. Jackson likes big guards, and I see why... I've never understood why more coaches don't adopt this philosophy. Parker puts me in mind of Ron Harper, but at a much younger age. George is still a decent guy to develop... but there's only so much his game can step up considering his place within the offence and his current injury status. Odom is another one. I'm highly impressed with his play as of late. I think he just needed that edge of confidence. It's obvious Jackson saw something in him early on that very few did. He can only improve as this team gets more chemistry.

I like what Jackson did as oppose to Brown in NY. He took what was there and worked with that... and of course he knows he can build around Kobe whilst keeping his talent in check. This is a different coaching technique he's using with Kobe this time as opposed to last time... it's almost as if he's coaching a completely different team.

No one thinks LA is playing for a championship. I know it may sound stupid considering "everyone" is playing for a championship... but in their mindset, every team is playing with a different objective.

Example: the Bucks? They look content to have just made the playoffs. The Bulls? Looking to show that the young guys can play... and possibly go for the upset. They've played two solid games, but now they're just trying to avoid a sweep and win at home... not playing for a championship. The Clippers? Establishing themselves in the post season. They think they're the favorite to win, and they have alot of pride... but when they hit an experienced post-season team, they'll fold. Fast! Denver? Don't know what's with them. They don't belong where they are, purely because of their foul attitude. K-Mart's a *****. I could go on.

Spurs, Detroit, Dallas.... these are focused teams. They're not looking past their initial series, but they're not limiting their excitement to that. I put the Lakers up there with the mindset they carry. Their talent is not gonna match the depth of Dallas, or the amount of skill from San Antonio or the Pistons, but they're gonna execute well from here on out... and as long as they play their own game well, I don't see them being shut down so quickly. Any team they play against should be prepared for a tough game. They're peaking at the right time, and that's always good for any team in the post-season. Reminds me of NY a few years back when they were the 8th seed, and made it to the finals. I wouldn't count them out. And if you think I'm saying this all after their game 2 performance, I meant to post this prior to the playoffs starting... and even after game 1... I just wasn't here.

The next couple of years will see the crown returning to the gold and purple. :o

[Super_Ludacris]

So your point is Suns in 5? correct

[Mister J]

Wow...just wow. I like to support my team too, but...wow.

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@him writing a love letter to his team

[Kipobe]

I kinda just combine my thoughts all in one instead of saying the same thing over and over. Honestly though, everything I've said is correct.

[Stringer]

This current Laker team ("the Bryants" like Mister J says) will never win a championship. They're a team of role players, with the exception of Kobe.

[reggiebar]

To be fair, Denver is stupid as hell not to let a big man like Martin get more playing time especially in the playoffs. So what do you do when your down 0-2? Oh let's suspend the dude. It's on you Melo

Denver ****ed around and handed the series to the Clippers. I expect a 4-0 sweep.

Was he a baby for moaning? Yep. Was he justified in asking for playing time, being a key player that he is during the most important time of the year? Yep

If the cat isn't healthy enough to get it done, why play him?

BTW, check this regarding K-Mart....

"They've (Denver) gone 29-9 in games he's missed since signing a seven-year, $93 million contract two years ago, including 19-6 this year as his surgically-repaired left knee limited him to a career-low 56 games."

So, still think K-Mart matters all that much - he became a cancer in Denver so far and doesn't deserve playing time.

[DarthRekal]

the best thing about last night was ...mambas nuts ON nashes head!:eek:

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2426/kbonnash6wb.gif


man that was great......

and stringer..the bulls were a team of role players too..look what happened with them... all we need is a scottie pippen..and if lamar can stay consistent like he is..WATCH OUT:up:

[Equint77]

Yeah I read about that jersey change. Wasnt 24 Jellybean's number in philly?

maybe he's still on his Jordan kick.. and he wants to wear 24 since MJ wore 23...

it just seems stupid... why change your number mid career? On the same team no less.

[Equint77]

the best thing about last night was ...mambas nuts ON nashes head!:eek:

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2426/kbonnash6wb.gif


man that was great......

and stringer..the bulls were a team of role players too..look what happened with them... all we need is a scottie pippen..and if lamar can stay consistent like he is..WATCH OUT:up:

lol... damn you people are quick... I had to tivo that dunk over and over again.... lol @ Nash.

[Stringer]

the best thing about last night was ...mambas nuts ON nashes head!:eek:

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2426/kbonnash6wb.gif


man that was great......

and stringer..the bulls were a team of role players too..look what happened with them... all we need is a scottie pippen..and if lamar can stay consistent like he is..WATCH OUT:up:
Odom is no Pippen in any shape or form, and dont forget they had Rodman the Bryants have no one resembling him, but your right the Bulls had a lot of role players the difference is their role players were actually good role players.

[Equint77]

it goes to show how much Jordan made those band of ****-chops champions.... luc longley, Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington, the rest of the trash on that bench.

[DarthRekal]

Odom is no Pippen in any shape or form, and dont forget they had Rodman the Bryants have no one resembling him, but your right the Bulls had a lot of role players the difference is their role players were actually good role players.

the first threepeat they didnt have rodman....

and dont overrate pippen..... granted odom cant hold pippens jock right now..but with 24k on our team...he just has to get close... luke is actually pretty stable and kwame just needs to keep trucking

[Stringer]

If they Lakers are smart theyll trade Odom and Walton sometime next year and get a star in return then they may be able to contend. And your right again I dont want to overrate Pippen but he was a lot more important to the bulls than Odom is to the Lakes

[Assassin]

Blow out at the palace..2 games in a row

[DarthRekal]

If they Lakers are smart theyll trade Odom and Walton sometime next year and get a star in return then they may be able to contend. And your right again I dont want to overrate Pippen but he was a lot more important to the bulls than Odom is to the Lakes


no way we trade walton..you cant find that basketball iq anywhere... he's not the best talent but he's SMART..real smart....i dont think we can trade odom now..he knows the triangle and looks real comfortable..... we need to add a stable PG and decent PF..... we dont need a big star..look at detroit...just need some BASKETBALL guys

[LastSunrise1981]

What was so special about Kobe dunking on Nash? I don't care how many times you dunk or how nice it looks, two points is two points and he's not the only person to dunk on Nash.

Personally? I find Vince Carters dunk over a 7 foot german player to be more impressive than a dunk on Nash.

I didn't see the game last night, however, I will say that I feel the Suns are going the wrong way and need better defenders. I've always said once you slow the Suns down they're practically a useless team. I believe Marion should be guarding Kobe, since he can match him in speed and he knows how to stick with his man.

But other than that, it should be an interesting series to say the least.

[NOFX]

no way we trade walton..you cant find that basketball iq anywhere... he's not the best talent but he's SMART..real smart....i dont think we can trade odom now..he knows the triangle and looks real comfortable..... we need to add a stable PG and decent PF..... we dont need a big star..look at detroit...just need some BASKETBALL guys
I would say keep the current laker roster for another year and see what happens

[DarthRekal]

What was so special about Kobe dunking on Nash?.


LOL ...you have to play ball to understand it.....

[DarthRekal]

I would say keep the current laker roster for another year and see what happens


we will tweak it alittle....hopefully we can lure jason terry here....but it will basically stay the same

[Kipobe]

Odom is no Pippen in any shape or form, and dont forget they had Rodman the Bryants have no one resembling him, but your right the Bulls had a lot of role players the difference is their role players were actually good role players.
I like what Equint said in rebuttal of this. Do you remember the Bulls before their playoff era? They were nothing. Two spots of talent that could've been one day easier forgotten than remembered... (except for the fact that MJ was the greatest player in the world). No half-assed trades. They're coming back with Walton and Odom next year, and Odom can only grow into his role of #2 much better.

[Super_Ludacris]

If the cat isn't healthy enough to get it done, why play him?

BTW, check this regarding K-Mart....

"They've (Denver) gone 29-9 in games he's missed since signing a seven-year, $93 million contract two years ago, including 19-6 this year as his surgically-repaired left knee limited him to a career-low 56 games."

So, still think K-Mart matters all that much - he became a cancer in Denver so far and doesn't deserve playing time.

Who else they got at the 4 spot? Cancer or not K-Mart's all they got. Yeah its a bad look he's injured and has limited playing time but he wants to play he tries to push his teammates (see in NJ)

[NOFX]

Who else they got at the 4 spot? Cancer or not K-Mart's all they got. Yeah its a bad look he's injured and has limited playing time but he wants to play he tries to push his teammates (see in NJ)
That was Jason Kidd not K-mart! If I remember K-mart filed for chapter 11 against the Laker in the NBA finals!

[Super_Ludacris]

That was Jason Kidd not K-mart! If I remember K-mart filed for chapter 11 against the Laker in the NBA finals!

Dont you remember the 2002 NBA finals when K-Mart was gaurding Shaq and chastizing his teammates (Van Horn) for not playing harder? Him and Kidd were like the only dudes playing hard

Oh yeah I forgot you didnt watch basketball 4 years ago....:o

[Kipobe]

no way we trade walton..you cant find that basketball iq anywhere... he's not the best talent but he's SMART..real smart....i dont think we can trade odom now..he knows the triangle and looks real comfortable..... we need to add a stable PG and decent PF..... we dont need a big star..look at detroit...just need some BASKETBALL guys
:up:

And to be honest, I'd like Smush to remain at the starting position, and just pick up a backup for him. Just a little more depth. Unless you really watch LA up close all season, you wouldn't be able to imagine them as any better than they were last year, I suppose... but honestly, Detroit is the best example I can think of, of a team that no one (widely) accepted as champs before they came out and became monsters... mostly because their roster is not all that name-brand. They're an ensemble cast... and LA is an ensemble cast with mostly young players who are getting prepared for a long career.

Odom and Bryant is all the superstar 'name' they need. Odom will grow into his role over the years... Bryants already there, but he needs to be tweaked and refined to fit the current roster. As many 5-point losses they had this season, if they were wins, they'd be a completely different seed. Add in some experience and chemistry, and they're looking very good in the future.

[Equint77]

Who else they got at the 4 spot? Cancer or not K-Mart's all they got. Yeah its a bad look he's injured and has limited playing time but he wants to play he tries to push his teammates (see in NJ)

Martin has always been an ******* and the numbers TNT pulled up last night shows he's basically nothing without Kidd... He was always suspect anyway. He has not jump shot and on too many occassions gets pushed around by other PF's. He's only good on a break and only when he's got a clear path. He's got weak D.

And I wanna mention this if it's not already known.. RICHARD JEFFERSON IS THE WHITEST BLACK MAN ON THE PLANET.

HE'S A SUPER OREO!!!

[Kipobe]

Dont you remember the 2002 NBA finals when K-Mart was gaurding Shaq and chastizing his teammates (Van Horn) for not playing harder? Him and Kidd were like the only dudes playing hard

Oh yeah I forgot you didnt watch basketball 4 years ago....:o
He played lip-service to it because Shaq was making him look bad... that's all. And wasn't his public comments after game 3 of the 4-game sweep?

[LastSunrise1981]

LOL ...you have to play ball to understand it.....

I do play ball and I understand it very well. It's just I don't know, I remember seeing Ricky Williams jumping over Nash and dunking on him.

Vince Carter jumping over a 7 foot European player and dunking on him in the Olympics was more impressive. But whatever, I just think sometimes fans and commentators go a bit too crazy over a dunk, especially over someone you're taller than and Nash wasn't even going to attempt to block it(obviously).

I will say that this though, Kobe's dunk on Yao was nasty, but then again, who hasn't dunked on Yao? :o :O

[Equint77]

I do play ball and I understand it very well. It's just I don't know, I remember seeing Ricky Williams jumping over Nash and dunking on him.

Vince Carter jumping over a 7 foot European player and dunking on him in the Olympics was more impressive. But whatever, I just think sometimes fans and commentators go a bit too crazy over a dunk, especially over someone you're taller than and Nash wasn't even going to attempt to block it(obviously).

I will say that this though, Kobe's dunk on Yao was nasty, but then again, who hasn't dunked on Yao? :o :O

I hope you mean Ricky Davis. :confused:

But that Kobe dunk on Nash was sick.... considering how heated Kobe seems for losing the MVP to Nash. Not only that but it happened on a broken play in the playoffs on the road... it was a nasty dunk.... :up: :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

Who else they got at the 4 spot? Cancer or not K-Mart's all they got. Yeah its a bad look he's injured and has limited playing time but he wants to play he tries to push his teammates (see in NJ)

I remember him doing next to nothing against the Lakers in the Finals and then deciding to score 40 points in a meaningless Game 4.

[DarthRekal]

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2426/kbonnash6wb.gif


just in case yall missed it :)

[Super_Ludacris]

He played lip-service to it because Shaq was making him look bad... that's all. And wasn't his public comments after game 3 of the 4-game sweep?

But the fact is he was/is a viable power foward (an all-star at that) when your in the playoffs, you have to play the people you got. Who does Denver have at the 4 spot better than K-Mart. Seriously, who? I want to know cause I dont know Denver's roster like that. Is his stats on point or better than K-Mart? Ok, well where is he on the defense? K-Mart has played good playoff basketball with Kidd, true but you have to try to get him involved. George Karl as usual is showing he's a mess at handling a team sometimes.

[DarthRekal]

I do play ball and I understand it very well. It's just I don't know, I remember seeing Ricky Williams jumping over Nash and dunking on him.

Vince Carter jumping over a 7 foot European player and dunking on him in the Olympics was more impressive. But whatever, I just think sometimes fans and commentators go a bit too crazy over a dunk, especially over someone you're taller than and Nash wasn't even going to attempt to block it(obviously).

I will say that this though, Kobe's dunk on Yao was nasty, but then again, who hasn't dunked on Yao? :o :O

no dude i agree the vc dunk was the dunk of the century..but this kobe dunk had meaning..the post season.... on the SUPPOSED MVP...this game meant something...this DUNK meant something.... and the nastiness of it :eek:

[Super_Ludacris]

I remember him doing next to nothing against the Lakers in the Finals and then deciding to score 40 points in a meaningless Game 4.

He put in work during those playoffs and 2003. Like y'all forget K-Mart could play and regardless of how injured a player is or which teammates he's with or not he's got vet experience that should implore, that's my point. These fools picked a bad time to make an example. Of course he should have turned up for practice but the stakes is high and Kenyon is a player who could make a impact if he wanted to. They need to see eye to eye instead of the same coach v. player BS we get.

[LastSunrise1981]

I hope you mean Ricky Davis. :confused:

But that Kobe dunk on Nash was sick.... considering how heated Kobe seems for losing the MVP to Nash. Not only that but it happened on a broken play in the playoffs on the road... it was a nasty dunk.... :up: :up:

That's right, Ricky Davis. I don't know why I was thinking his last name was Williams. But yes, he was playing for the Cavs at the time and I remember him jumping over Nash and dunking on him too.

[Kipobe]

But the fact is he was/is a viable power foward (an all-star at that) when your in the playoffs, you have to play the people you got. Who does Denver have at the 4 spot better than K-Mart. Seriously, who? I want to know cause I dont know Denver's roster like that. Is his stats on point or better than K-Mart? Ok, well where is he on the defense? K-Mart has played good playoff basketball with Kidd, true but you have to try to get him involved. George Karl as usual is showing he's a mess at handling a team sometimes.
I actually like the move. They're not gonna beat the Clippers. Karl is thinking they're not gonna beat them with a complacent attitude. They need a measure of fire... and Martin is slowing them down mentally. Without him, they can rally together better and have a better chance.

No one player is bigger than his team. Every player is gonna have to learn that at some point. There is no "let's see what they'll do without me" garbage going on. Stats don't matter... if his attitude is anything similar to that, then he can't be allowed to come in and run things. If he contributed to a close game in game 2... or if they won, it probably wouldn'tve happened... but he's not needed to have the right attitude.

Look how much better the Kings played sans Artest. Artest (I think) is a poor addition to any team who can't coach him right. He's done good by Sacramento for most of the year, but he's a ticking time bomb. If Sacramento extend this series long enough, I wouldn't be suprised if Artest did something else just as stupid because of both his inexperience and his bad attitude. K-Mart was being stupid and not thinking in line with the team.. I'd of done the same thing... and I actually think it'll inspire his team mates to step it up, so that if/when he returns we'll see something better from him.

You can't lose control of your team. The fact that Kenyon is suspended indefinately is probably a sign that it's really up to him when he wants to come back... he just needs to fall in line.

[DarthRekal]

That's right, Ricky Davis. I don't know why I was thinking his last name was Williams. But yes, he was playing for the Cavs at the time and I remember him jumping over Nash and dunking on him too.

dude cause ricky davis got hops..cat can jump out the gym.....he's not just anybody.... but if nash didnt wana be screensaverized...dude shoulda got out the way

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2426/kbonnash6wb.gif :up:

[Equint77]

LOL.. if for some miracle Denver advances... and I hope they do just to drop Martin's value.

God I hate him.

[NOFX]

Dont you remember the 2002 NBA finals when K-Mart was gaurding Shaq and chastizing his teammates (Van Horn) for not playing harder? Him and Kidd were like the only dudes playing hard

Oh yeah I forgot you didnt watch basketball 4 years ago....:o
And how did Van Horn respond? BY filing chapter 11 with K-Mart as well!!

[Super_Ludacris]

I actually like the move. They're not gonna beat the Clippers. Karl is thinking they're not gonna beat them with a complacent attitude. They need a measure of fire... and Martin is slowing them down mentally. Without him, they can rally together better and have a better chance.

No one player is bigger than his team. Every player is gonna have to learn that at some point. There is no "let's see what they'll do without me" garbage going on. Stats don't matter... if his attitude is anything similar to that, then he can't be allowed to come in and run things. If he contributed to a close game in game 2... or if they won, it probably wouldn'tve happened... but he's not needed to have the right attitude.

Look how much better the Kings played sans Artest. Artest (I think) is a poor addition to any team who can't coach him right. He's done good by Sacramento for most of the year, but he's a ticking time bomb. If Sacramento extend this series long enough, I wouldn't be suprised if Artest did something else just as stupid because of both his inexperience and his bad attitude. K-Mart was being stupid and not thinking in line with the team.. I'd of done the same thing... and I actually think it'll inspire his team mates to step it up, so that if/when he returns we'll see something better from him.

You can't lose control of your team. The fact that Kenyon is suspended indefinately is probably a sign that it's really up to him when he wants to come back... he just needs to fall in line.

I Dont think it's a case of K-Mart thinking he's bigger than the team. He just wants more playing time right? He sees the way they play outthere and he remembers that only a couple of years back he was a an All-star who had been to 2 NBA Finals so he feels he can provide something. Now, if he has been missing practice yeah he ****ed up but at the same time he gotta at least be considered.
What alarms me is I dont think there any dialouge. Like yeah an NBA player messed up but the team and management knows his value and why they paid so they should sit down and have an eye to eye. Very rarely does this happen anymore and is crucial. Like management and coaching staff wanna uphold some standard and that's fine but when a key player is doing this there needs to be a sit down cause we live in age where coaches and management are just as liable as players.
Plus if this was any other coach maybe, but it's George Karl. His **** ups and organization of teams speak for themselves as much as any success he may have (2002 World Championships, the Bucks mid season collapse in 2002).

[Super_Ludacris]

And how did Van Horn respond? BY filing chapter 11 with K-Mart as well!!

And you notice that was around the same time Van Horn was labeled a ***** and a softie too? Which he continued marvelously when he was in New York.

[Equint77]

And how did Van Horn respond? BY filing chapter 11 with K-Mart as well!!

I hope your momma files for chapter 11. :o

[Kipobe]

I get the impression there's alot of unspoken problems... and we're obviously not hearing the whole story. I could be wrong... but a coach doesn't do this for no apparent reason. What's his name who was choked by Spree admitted that he allowed tempers to flare without dealing with it right... things that had been going on for a long time. If he worked out the issues earlier, they may've never had a problem... or at least be able to work together.

I wouldn't pick apart Karl so quick...

[Super_Ludacris]

I get the impression there's alot of unspoken problems... and we're obviously not hearing the whole story. I could be wrong... but a coach doesn't do this for no apparent reason. What's his name who was choked by Spree admitted that he allowed tempers to flare without dealing with it right... things that had been going on for a long time. If he worked out the issues earlier, they may've never had a problem... or at least be able to work together.

I wouldn't pick apart Karl so quick...


I ****ing would, his history speaks for itself (the collapse in the world championship, his run with the Bucks, final years in Seattle and the Kemp debacle)

[Equint77]

LOL.. Cassell told the reporters how Karl loves practice... how he REALLY LOVES PRACTICE.. almost as if he was saying Karl makes them sleep in the gym.

funny how players from the other team make comments like that.

[Kipobe]

I dunno... I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. The Nuggets were basically nothing workable before him. Some coaches are good at taking a team to a certain level, but not the whole ride. Before his tenure is up, the Nuggets may be a much better team with workable pieces than they were before.

[NOFX]

And you notice that was around the same time Van Horn was labeled a ***** and a softie too? Which he continued marvelously when he was in New York.
It must have rub-off on K-mart than! And its going to be almost impossible to trade K-mart with that max contract of his and really has no skills as PF really other than running the break and he can jump really high.

[Equint77]

I dunno... I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. The Nuggets were basically nothing workable before him. Some coaches are good at taking a team to a certain level, but not the whole ride. Before his tenure is up, the Nuggets may be a much better team with workable pieces than they were before.

The Nuggets should be further ahead than they currently are IMO.. they've spent the last few years making these great moves and they're still a basic no threat in the west. To be honest you can look at Andre Miller as an example.... he's no where near the player he was in Cleveland.... if anyone remembers the numbers he put up before they traded him to the clips.. he was on the verge of all-star... now he's just another piece on the team. K-mart (as I pointed out before) seems to be nothing special without Kidd and his game has been exposed out west. Nene never built on his rookie year. Camby, as good as he is block wise is always gonna be injured. Carmello.... he's trying so hard to catch up to Wade and Lebron that he looks totally lost out there sometimes.

Not to mention he still hasn't shown he's capable of being a prime time playoff performer.

[reggiebar]

The Nuggets should be further ahead than they currently are IMO.. they've spent the last few years making these great moves and they're still a basic no threat in the west. To be honest you can look at Andre Miller as an example.... he's no where near the player he was in Cleveland.... if anyone remembers the numbers he put up before they traded him to the clips.. he was on the verge of all-star... now he's just another piece on the team. K-mart (as I pointed out before) seems to be nothing special without Kidd and his game has been exposed out west. Nene never built on his rookie year. Camby, as good as he is block wise is always gonna be injured. Carmello.... he's trying so hard to catch up to Wade and Lebron that he looks totally lost out there sometimes.

Not to mention he still hasn't shown he's capable of being a prime time playoff performer.
First, the West is STACKED with talent.
Second, Nene went down for the year the first game of the year.
Third, K-Mart has not yet recovered from his surgery.
Fourth, they ahd a host of injuries this year (over half the team was injured at one point or another during the season).
Fifth, they still won their division and made the playoffs for the third straight year.

So, if the team can get and stay healthy for a season they can make the next jump. The simply can't be judged too gharsh this year due to all the injuires, etc...

[reggiebar]

Carmello.... he's trying so hard to catch up to Wade and Lebron that he looks totally lost out there sometimes.

Not to mention he still hasn't shown he's capable of being a prime time playoff performer.

No one can get off in the playoffs when he is double- and trimple-teamed at al times. If anyone on the Nugs could make a jump shot or the three, Melo might not see a double or triple every time he touches the ball.

[Equint77]

No one can get off in the playoffs when he is double- and trimple-teamed at al times. If anyone on the Nugs could make a jump shot or the three, Melo might not see a double or triple every time he touches the ball.

Superstars get double teamed.. that's not a surprise.. he just doesn't seem to have it in him to step his game up.... like they say on TNT.. if his offense is off.. he can't do a damn thing with the ball or make his teammates better... it's now his what 3rd year? What's his excuse?

[DarthRekal]

No one can get off in the playoffs when he is double- and trimple-teamed at al times. If anyone on the Nugs could make a jump shot or the three, Melo might not see a double or triple every time he touches the ball.


nuh uh!.... look at mamba aka 24k aka the dagger aka KOBE..he always gets off in the dance even WHEN he's double teamed...:up:

[Super_Ludacris]

nuh uh!.... look at mamba aka 24k aka the dagger aka KOBE..he always gets off in the dance even WHEN he's double teamed...:up:


Seems to me when you talk about Mr. Byrant, the only person "getting off" is you.:o

We get it he's clutch duh but you didnt need to get all the nicknames in such felacitious manner

[Equint77]

I call Kobe Mr. 4 Million Dollar I'm Sorry Ring AKA Mr. I do butt service in Denver AKA Mr. I'll **** Shaq's wife AKA Karl Malone almost took my woman.

:D

[Alpha and Omega]

I call Kobe Mr. 4 Million Dollar I'm Sorry Ring AKA Mr. I do butt service in Denver AKA Mr. I'll **** Shaq's wife AKA Karl Malone almost took my woman.

:D

haha, lmao. What's up E?

[Spider-Nerd]

Melo ain't helping to win when he's not scoring. Nash, Kobe, Wade, they all help win even when their shots aren't falling.

[Stringer]

Melo hasnt learned how to get his teammates involved yet, maybe it will come in time but maybe it wont.

[Super_Ludacris]

Well he does play the small foward position with him being the main scoring option.....

[DarthRekal]

Seems to me when you talk about Mr. Byrant, the only person "getting off" is you.:o

We get it he's clutch duh but you didnt need to get all the nicknames in such felacitious manner


riiight...but lets talk pistons and see who creams their pants...

parish the thought of chauncey being talked down...

oops did i just say PISTON?????? :confused:

[DarthRekal]

Well he does play the small foward position with him being the main scoring option.....

so does lamar and did scottie and ... larry bird and... dr j... and ahh you get it

position means nothing....help your frigin team

[Super_Ludacris]

I dont know what chu talkin bout willis I dont sweat Detroit like that, I just like the way they play basketball and hope they win the title they deserve.

[Stringer]

Well he does play the small foward position with him being the main scoring option.....
Still he needs to learn to contribute to the game in other ways if his shot is going down. Carmello could really be the best offensive player in the game once he hits his prime:up:

[Super_Ludacris]

so does lamar and did scottie and ... larry bird and... dr j... and ahh you get it

position means nothing....help your frigin team

As the main scoring option on your team your recieveing the created plays. Scottie and Lamar have/had MJ and Kobe.

Does Melo have that? No, he is there main go to guy is my point. Hes not a gaurd who creates/takes shots/plays as regurlarly. If he had viable scoring options on his team he would. That's why he's relied upon on the clutch and has delivered a lot this season.

[Alpha and Omega]

As the main scoring option on your team your recieveing the created plays. Scottie and Lamar have/had MJ and Kobe.

Does Melo have that? No, he is there main go to guy is my point. Hes not a gaurd who creates/takes shots/plays as regurlarly. If he had viable scoring options on his team he would. That's why he's relied upon on the clutch and has delivered a lot this season.

Did you see the TNT postgame where they showed Kenyon Martin's stats w/ Jason Kidd and the ones in the post-Kidd era.

Poor Denver.

[DarthRekal]

As the main scoring option on your team your recieveing the created plays. Scottie and Lamar have/had MJ and Kobe.

Does Melo have that? No, he is there main go to guy is my point. Hes not a gaurd who creates/takes shots/plays as regurlarly. If he had viable scoring options on his team he would. That's why he's relied upon on the clutch and has delivered a lot this season.

right but if your game is off .your game is off.... create open looks for teammates play some defense ....set a pick..get a charge..steal a ball....

and BIRD was the go to guy..

so was the doc

[Super_Ludacris]

right but if your game is off .your game is off.... create open looks for teammates play some defense ....set a pick..get a charge..steal a ball....

and BIRD was the go to guy..

so was the doc

Hence why Melo was compared to Bird coming into his rookie year. But again read my last post. Who does he have on that team that's a viable scoring second option? Earl Boykins?

[Stringer]

They might not have a prototypical second scorer but the sum total of their talent can put up big numbers.

[DarthRekal]

Hence why Melo was compared to Bird coming into his rookie year. But again read my last post. Who does he have on that team that's a viable scoring second option? Earl Boykins?


right but we can use that excuse with everyone cant we...great players... carry teams.... i can say that about LBJ who does he have..i can say that about...AI who did he have before webber...who did... PIERCE have..who does KG have...... dare i say it... who does kobe have.....


dude isnt all that..a good player on an average team.... they made the postseason by DEFAULT....

but LBj on the nuggets and see what kinda team they are....and he plays the three too..

[Super_Ludacris]

Really just Kenyon, beyond that I dunno...

[Stringer]

Patterson, Miller, Boykins, Martin, Camby can all score. Well maybe take off Camby he cant create his own shot.

[Super_Ludacris]

right but we can use that excuse with everyone cant we...great players... carry teams.... i can say that about LBJ who does he have..i can say that about...AI who did he have before webber...who did... PIERCE have..who does KG have...... dare i say it... who does kobe have.....


dude isnt all that..a good player on an average team.... they made the postseason by DEFAULT....

but LBj on the nuggets and see what kinda team they are....and he plays the three too..



Did he make the postseason by default the previous 2 times?

And why do I get the feeling this has to do with Kobe as much as Melo? (quick people here, y'all see the subliminal)

[DarthRekal]

Did he make the postseason by default the previous 2 times?

And why do I get the feeling this has to do with Kobe as much as Melo? (quick people here, y'all see the subliminal)

well you're swingin on melo so hard... and you say his team has noone...but then you say the team didnt make the playoffs by default.....??? which is it?????



he's so clutch..but gets his shot blocked then airballs the other....he's such a great player but cant create his own shot...face it homey.... dude's overrated....whats wrong need others to back you???


coming for that number one spot?

[Super_Ludacris]

well you're swingin on melo so hard... and you say his team has noone...but then you say the team didnt make the playoffs by default.....??? which is it?????



he's so clutch..but gets his shot blocked then airballs the other....he's such a great player but cant create his own shot...face it homey.... dude's overrated....whats wrong need others to back you???


coming for that number one spot?


Me saying Melo has no legitamate scoring options does not mean I'm "swining him hard" You have failed to show me who on his team is a legitamite scorer.
But I mean hey, if anyone knows about swining on the sack of a NBA player it's your Mrs. Bryant :)

And yes, you can carry your team with limited options and be the sole scorer on your team. It's call carrying your team. T-Mac did it in Orlando for years, your boy did it this season, Iverson won an MVP award. Nash as a point gaurd (and what do PG's do Children? Yes.....pass the ball) did it. They utilised there position for what was lacking on the rest of the team, Melo has done likewise playing the 3 spot.

And had you bothered to check out the Nuggets this season, one of the main things he has been credited for is his Increase in clutch shooting. You know, like when the Nuggets beat LA Lakers back in March thanks to Melo's shots at the end :o . Lebron may be the better overall player but Melo has upped his game this season (and about time) and even bested Lebron in clutch scoring (something Lebron struggled with often this season on another wise progressive seamless season)


Coming for the Number one spot? nah

"This is food for thought, now you do the dishes"-Hov

[DarthRekal]

Me saying Melo has no legitamate scoring options does not mean I'm "swining him hard" You have failed to show me who on his team is a legitamite scorer.
But I mean hey, if anyone knows about swining on the sack of a NBA player it's your Mrs. Bryant :)

lets go down the roster shall.... ludicrous???

earl boykins 12.6 a game
marucs camby 12.8 a game
andre miller 13.7 a game
what KMART?? 12.
what KMART..12.9???? thats a squad of scoring if you ask me....
ever hear of the sum of the parts is greater than the whole??


And yes, you can carry your team with limited options and be the sole scorer on your team. It's call carrying your team. T-Mac did it in Orlando for years, your boy did it this season, Iverson won an MVP award. Nash as a point gaurd (and what do PG's do Children? Yes.....pass the ball) did it. They utilised there position for what was lacking on the rest of the team, Melo has done likewise playing the 3 spot.

yes i said that in the previous post thanks for clarifying..what carrying the team means....can we say redundancy???? oh im sorry

repetitive???

stil too big??

how bout copycat???


And had you bothered to check out the Nuggets this season, one of the main things he has been credited for is his Increase in clutch shooting. You know, like when the Nuggets beat LA Lakers back in March thanks to Melo's shots at the end :o . Lebron may be the better overall player but Melo has upped his game this season (and about time) and even bested Lebron in clutch scoring (something Lebron struggled with often this season on another wise progressive seamless season)

lbj passes.... kobe plays d...... progressive means getting better if he had this same squad two yrs ago and eased into the playoffs but made it as a write in candidate this season.... personal stats yes he got better clutch shooting yes..team ball...Eh eh..id like to buy a vowel please..


Coming for the Number one spot? nah

"This is food for thought, now you do the dishes"-Hov


"play that funky music white boy.. lay down and boogie and play that funk music til you die"- KC and the Sunshine band

[Super_Ludacris]

lets go down the roster shall.... ludicrous???


earl boykins 12.6 a game
marucs camby 12.8 a game
andre miller 13.7 a game
what KMART?? 12.
what KMART..12.9???? thats a squad of scoring if you ask me....
ever hear of the sum of the parts is greater than the whole??

Have of any those guys proven to be Legitamate scoring options? and keep in mind, they'be had careers before Melo came in. I said K-Mart is a useful choice, but George Karl idioticy means he wont be around for most of the series

I mean if you honestly think a 5'5 point gaurd (Boykins) and an oft injured underachieving big man (Camby) and a struggling PG (Miller) is who you want to give the ball to instead of a All-American player with a steady scoring in-put thats up to you.

Next....



yes i said that in the previous post thanks for clarifying..what carrying the team means....can we say redundancy???? oh im sorry

repetitive???

stil too big??

how bout copycat???

Well aside from demonstrating that you are to Spiderfreddie what Lebron is to Jordan in terms of posting, you've kind of answered your own dumb question. I said you can make the playoffs with no deep talent and gave examples of players who have in response to you saying "Which is it". To now flip and say "redundancy" makes come across a bit.....looney. But I'll wait and let you take your dose of Ritalin.

Next....




lbj passes.... kobe plays d...... progressive means getting better if he had this same squad two yrs ago and eased into the playoffs but made it as a write in candidate this season.... personal stats yes he got better clutch shooting yes..team ball...Eh eh..id like to buy a vowel please..

Ok, other than making it hard to actually decipher what drivle that you just posted, I'll explain my point: Of course James and Bryant are better developed players but Carmelo has improved in all areas, he's cutting to the lane more agressivley getting rebounds and developing the outside J. And that's why he's been given props this season for having a stand out year personally speaking, so he cant be an "Overatted, Average player" on a squad that's in the middle of the playoff pack in the heated western conference.




"play that funky music white boy.. lay down and boogie and play that funk music til you die"- KC and the Sunshine band



Dont even understand what the point of that was, but I'm assuming your posting drunk because the rest of your argument makes no sense.

I mean is this all because I said you were kissing Kobe's ass with the royal speech at the start? lol fall back little man, it aint that serious. Ease up brethen seen?

[DarthRekal]

Have of any those guys proven to be Legitamate scoring options? and keep in mind, they'be had careers before Melo came in. I said K-Mart is a useful choice, but George Karl idioticy means he wont be around for most of the series

I mean if you honestly think a 5'5 point gaurd (Boykins) and an oft injured underachieving big man (Camby) and a struggling PG (Miller) is who you want to give the ball to instead of a All-American player with a steady scoring in-put thats up to you.

Next....




Well aside from demonstrating that you are to Spiderfreddie what Lebron is to Jordan in terms of posting, you've kind of answered your own dumb question. I said you can make the playoffs with no deep talent and gave examples of players who have in response to you saying "Which is it". To now flip and say "redundancy" makes come across a bit.....looney. But I'll wait and let you take your dose of Ritalin.

Next....





Ok, other than making it hard to actually decipher what drivle that you just posted, I'll explain my point: Of course James and Bryant are better developed players but Carmelo has improved in all areas, he's cutting to the lane more agressivley getting rebounds and developing the outside J. And that's why he's been given props this season for having a stand out year personally speaking, so he cant be an "Overatted, Average player" on a squad that's in the middle of the playoff pack in the heated western conference.





Dont even understand what the point of that was, but I'm assuming your posting drunk because the rest of your argument makes no sense.

I mean is this all because I said you were kissing Kobe's ass with the royal speech at the start? lol fall back little man, it aint that serious. Ease up brethen seen?



first i never said melo wasnt good..i just dont by his superstar status.....if you consider him the lesser of two evils as in your first paragraph then yes..give him the rock.... but his squad is not garbage as you make it out to be.....

im not even going respond to the second paragraph as you got more spins than dubya...

i gave you that he's improved.... but he's not a GREAT player..all american... so what???? steady scoring input so what???? clutch in the reg season so what????? do the thing in the post season....

carry your team if your great

and personally speaking he is an OVERRATED... player on a sneak in to the dance without a date squad...

lastly you made a big deal about melo....like he's your man...
defending him with every ounce of testosterone in your body...

little man??? ahahahah internet insults are right up there in the hierarchy or insults......

what to do ?? my day will be ruined..someone named SUPER(underscore)Ludacris bombarded me with internet insults....
but i will squash it ..after all we are related..brother..seen?

[Super_Ludacris]

first i never said melo wasnt good..i just dont by his superstar status.....if you consider him the lesser of two evils as in your first paragraph then yes..give him the rock.... but his squad is not garbage as you make it out to be..... ?

I never said his squad was garbage, but his squad aint like San Antonio or Sacramento a few years back that's all these deep shooters and scorers, it's really Melo and K-Mart.


im not even going respond to the second paragraph as you got more spins than dubya...

Good, cause your **** made no sense lol


i gave you that he's improved.... but he's not a GREAT player..all american... so what???? steady scoring input so what???? clutch in the reg season so what????? do the thing in the post season....

The bits I've hightlighted for you. Go back and seriously think how dumb that is for you to say. No disrespect but that's realy dumb to honestly believe that being a clutch shooter, All-American and a steady scorer is "So what".


carry your team if your great

and personally speaking he is an OVERRATED... player on a sneak in to the dance without a date squad...

lastly you made a big deal about melo....like he's your man...
defending him with every ounce of testosterone in your body...

I aint defending Melo, I'm just stating facts. I dont even like him that much but I gotta keep it true and give the facts about a players ability

You on the other get upset when someone even makes a joke about a rape case concerning your man ( Yeah I still remember you getting mad about all the Kobe rape jokes, and telling me to shut up lol)


little man??? ahahahah internet insults are right up there in the hierarchy or insults......

what to do ?? my day will be ruined..someone named SUPER(underscore)Ludacris bombarded me with internet insults....
but i will squash it ..after all we are related..brother..seen?

See I'm assuming your drunk or someone has hacked into your account because you normally dont post with this bad grammar and non-concrete arguments. It aint like you lol. Cause you sound like someone who got no concrete evidence to support you theory and are just mad cause I dissed Kobe :)


You done for the night, it's a wrap :)

[DarthRekal]

You on the other get upset when someone even makes a joke about a rape case concerning your man ( Yeah I still remember you getting mad about all the Kobe rape jokes, and telling me to shut up lol)

yeah im done--i wasnt even gonna post again-- when i squash it i squash ...brother.. like you said its not that serious i just needed to point out ..or maybe you can dig up some posts.... cause i dont ever recall getting mad about kobe rape jokes......

but its all good homey..

one love...:up:

[Super_Ludacris]

yeah im done--i wasnt even gonna post again-- when i squash it i squash ...brother.. like you said its not that serious i just needed to point out ..or maybe you can dig up some posts.... cause i dont ever recall getting mad about kobe rape jokes......

but its all good homey..

one love...:up:


Look back in this thread around December:o

You done

[DarthRekal]

Look back in this thread around December:o

You done

dang man i dont even remember what i post from one day to another ..you really remember all that stuff??? step away from the monitor.......

december???? lol..... man homey....oh nevermind...


you right




IM DONE....LOL..ahahah

[Super_Ludacris]

dang man i dont even remember what i post from one day to another ..you really remember all that stuff??? step away from the monitor.......

december???? lol..... man homey....oh nevermind...


you right




IM DONE....LOL..ahahah

it was funny cause you was getting maaaaaaad lol@ your "I'mma play it cool and pretend to be forgetful" swagger

*Darth punches his monitor getting mad at Luda for brining it up:mad: * lol

[DarthRekal]

wait wait..... what did i say in january:confused:

[DarthRekal]

k guys back to bball.... me and luda really love each other...


for those that missed it...peep this....

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2426/kbonnash6wb.gif

:up:

[Erundur]

I still say the Suns will win the series

[Alpha and Omega]

That dunk was ridiculous. I don't know who'll win the series; the Suns are the obvious fav, but they can't run a half-court offense. Their half-court game is the Steve Nash show. Granted, that's better than most offenses in the league, but the Suns are getting pounded inside by Odom and Brown. If Phoenix is going to win, Marion has to do more. Nash can't do it by himself.

Oh yeah, 1-1, and back to the Staples Center.:)

[Kipobe]

The Suns may win one more game... but I wouldn't be suprised if they've already had their last victory for the season. Please, remember this post number so you can quote me at the end of this series no matter what happens!

I live and die by the sword!

[Ghostvirus]

Bulls Win Big Baby!

[Ocelot]

Bulls win in Chicago, blowing out the Heat. Who woulda thunk it? I still say they gotta win all 3 in Chicago to have a chance, but the way they play, theres always a chance. And what was up with all that bull**** cheap shots the Heat were throwing. OK I understand you are getting blown out, but Shaq basically giving an elbow to a 5 foot nothing Ben Gordon isn't proving anything. They started playing dirty there at the end. Posey basically shoulder tackling and shoving players down. Stupid cheap shots. Shaq was shut down the entire game and turned the ball over 7 times. The Heat not only got blown out, but they pretty much fell apart as a team in the 4th quarter. I think this just became a new series. Hopefully the Bulls can feed off this win.

[Ghostvirus]

Shaq isn't above smacking small men. Remember when it was reported a long time ago that Shaq Pimp smacked Scott Skiles when he was still with orlando?

[Go Web Go!]

Posey's shot on Hinrich was unecessary, but other than that I didn't see anything that looked intentional. He's likely going to be fined/suspended. The Bulls looked good tonight and the Heat looked like, well, ****. This game was very uncharacteristic of them. This was probably their worst game since getting blown out by Dallas earlier in the year. Ugly game. That's all that can be said. There was no defense at all. They're going to be wanting to put this game behind them and try to come out with a strong effort on Sunday. They'll bounce back and if they do infact come out of Chicago with a win the series is as good as done.

[Ocelot]

Posey's shot on Hinrich was unecessary, but other than that I didn't see anything that looked intentional. He's likely going to be fined/suspended. The Bulls looked good tonight and the Heat looked like, well, ****. This game was very uncharacteristic of them. This was probably their worst game since getting blown out by Dallas earlier in the year. Ugly game. That's all that can be said. There was no defense at all. They're going to be wanting to put this game behind them and try to come out with a strong effort on Sunday. They'll bounce back and if they do infact come out of Chicago with a win the series is as good as done.

Well what Shaq did to Gordon in the fourth quarter was a foul, but I am amazed it wasn't called. It was pretty funny how the fans were chanting BULL**** BULL**** BULL**** after they saw the replay when a foul wasn't called, it wasn't just a few people either.

[Go Web Go!]

Well what Shaq did to Gordon in the fourth quarter was a foul, but I am amazed it wasn't called. It was pretty funny how the fans were chanting BULL**** BULL**** BULL**** after they saw the replay when a foul wasn't called, it wasn't just a few people either.

Actually, I did see that. Shaq was just standing below the basket and of course there was some contact. Should have fouled him out of the game, but hey, as we've throughout the league ever since the playoffs started...the refs are going to miss some obvious calls.

[Ocelot]

Yeah "some contact" roughly translated to "elbow to the chin" right? Heh heh.

[Go Web Go!]

Eh, what can ya do. It's part of the game. ;)

[NOFX]

Holy ***** the ref's stole this game from clippers! Almost every clipper was in foul trouble or foul out???!!! Elton Never even foul this year until this game! Blown opportunity for the clips! I hope they bounce back on Saturday, We could have had the kill tonight! Oh well Clippers played horrible, if not there worse performance this year and they still had a shot at winning the game!

[Mister J]

What the hell happened to my boys tonight? I didn't think it was out of the question for CHI to pull it off tonight, but damn. I expected their best ball to avoid going down 3-0, but tonight was just silly. The Bulls brought it and the Heat just showed up.

I've noticed on more than one occasion that the Heat react badly when they feel the officiating is against them. We gotta knock that **** off, forget about this nonsense at take this thing back to Miami 3-1.

[Go Web Go!]

Holy ***** the ref's stole this game from clippers! Almost every clipper was in foul trouble our foul out???!!! Elton Never even foul out this game! Blown opportunity for the clips! I hope they bounce back on Saturday, We could have had the kill tonight! Oh well Clippers played horrible, if not there worse performance this year and they still had a shot at winning the game!

That game had what, 65+ fouls in total? Hard to watch. :(

[NOFX]

That game had what, 65+ fouls in total? Hard to watch. :(
I still dont know why I didnt get a stroke from watching this game with all those questionable fouls???!!!:(

[Go Web Go!]

This will cheer you all up!

1. Bruce Bowen never graduated from high school, because Bruce Bowen only gets Ds.

2. Bruce Bowen sleeps in a defensive stance.

3. The Grinch didnt steal Christmas, Bruce Bowen did.

4. Bruce Bowen can't grow hair, because Bruce Bowens scalp unconsciously shuts down hair follicles.

5. Bruce Bowen played goalie for every team in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League and still managed to have a 1.000% save percentage.

6. On Sesame Street, the letter D is always brought to you by Bruce Bowen.

7. Bruce Bowen is still a virgin because Bruce Bowen refuses to score.

8. Bruce Bowen could take a charge from a paraplegic.

9. If Bruce Bowen really wanted to, Bruce Bowen could stop time.

10. Norton AntiVirus was originally called Bruce Bowen.

11. If Bruce Bowen was in Indonesia, Bruce Bowen would have boxed-out the tsunami.

12. Manu Ginobli once scored on Bruce Bowen in practice. No. No he didnt.

13. Bruce Bowen ate just one Lays potato chip.

14. Abstinence is 100%. Bruce Bowen is 101%.

15. Bruce Bowens Ford Taurus doesnt have brakes. Bruce Bowen stops his car with basic defensive fundamentals.

16. There are only three sure things in life: death, taxes, and Bruce Bowen shutting you the **** down.

17. The last person to score against Bruce Bowen is in the witness protection program.

[NOFX]

This will cheer you all up!

1. Bruce Bowen never graduated from high school, because Bruce Bowen only gets Ds.

2. Bruce Bowen sleeps in a defensive stance.

3. The Grinch didnt steal Christmas, Bruce Bowen did.

4. Bruce Bowen can't grow hair, because Bruce Bowens scalp unconsciously shuts down hair follicles.

5. Bruce Bowen played goalie for every team in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League and still managed to have a 1.000% save percentage.

6. On Sesame Street, the letter D is always brought to you by Bruce Bowen.

7. Bruce Bowen is still a virgin because Bruce Bowen refuses to score.

8. Bruce Bowen could take a charge from a paraplegic.

9. If Bruce Bowen really wanted to, Bruce Bowen could stop time.

10. Norton AntiVirus was originally called Bruce Bowen.

11. If Bruce Bowen was in Indonesia, Bruce Bowen would have boxed-out the tsunami.

12. Manu Ginobli once scored on Bruce Bowen in practice. No. No he didnt.

13. Bruce Bowen ate just one Lays potato chip.

14. Abstinence is 100%. Bruce Bowen is 101%.

15. Bruce Bowens Ford Taurus doesnt have brakes. Bruce Bowen stops his car with basic defensive fundamentals.

16. There are only three sure things in life: death, taxes, and Bruce Bowen shutting you the **** down.

17. The last person to score against Bruce Bowen is in the witness protection program.
You forgot the most important thing, that Bruce Bowen went to Cal State Fullerton, the College NOFX went to! :cool: Your right its not the end of the world! Well I predicted the clips would win in 6!

[Ocelot]

What the hell happened to my boys tonight? I didn't think it was out of the question for CHI to pull it off tonight, but damn. I expected their best ball to avoid going down 3-0, but tonight was just silly. The Bulls brought it and the Heat just showed up.

I've noticed on more than one occasion that the Heat react badly when they feel the officiating is against them. We gotta knock that **** off, forget about this nonsense at take this thing back to Miami 3-1.

The officiating wasn't against them at all, you could make a case for the Bulls though, there were a few really obvious calls throughout the game that I guess the refs were out to lunch on because they weren't called. The Bulls have to win Sunday, if they don't its over. But really, who the **** wants to see a team like the Heat advance? Does Antoine Walker even ****ing play defense? At all? It seems like sometimes the Heat don't care. They don't impress me whatsoever. And this is a team that supposedly can beat Detroit? Pfft, bull**** is all I got to say about that.

[XwolverineX]

YEAHHHHH!!! DENVER!!! I'm so happy Denver finally beat the Clippers. I still have faith in 'em.

[Super_Ludacris]

The officiating wasn't against them at all, you could make a case for the Bulls though, there were a few really obvious calls throughout the game that I guess the refs were out to lunch on because they weren't called. The Bulls have to win Sunday, if they don't its over. But really, who the **** wants to see a team like the Heat advance? Does Antoine Walker even ****ing play defense? At all? It seems like sometimes the Heat don't care. They don't impress me whatsoever. And this is a team that supposedly can beat Detroit? Pfft, bull**** is all I got to say about that.


If anything the refs were on there side...........and they still got whupped lol.

lol@ the immortal Micheal Jordan taunting the Heat from the box-seats

*salutes his airness*

[Mister J]

The officiating wasn't against them at all, you could make a case for the Bulls though, there were a few really obvious calls throughout the game that I guess the refs were out to lunch on because they weren't called. The Bulls have to win Sunday, if they don't its over. But really, who the **** wants to see a team like the Heat advance? Does Antoine Walker even ****ing play defense? At all? It seems like sometimes the Heat don't care. They don't impress me whatsoever. And this is a team that supposedly can beat Detroit? Pfft, bull**** is all I got to say about that.
I wrote when they "feel" the officiating is against them. Shaq picking up his third foul early in the 2nd quarter was a huge part of it; so were some perceived no-calls. By the time Posey got tossed and Walker and Haslem picked up T's, it had already reached a breaking point. They'll right the ship and do what's necessary to advance.

Sorry that they don't impress you. Luckily your opinions aren't determinative of who advances.

[Kipobe]

Denver played the better game last night. No series is typically decided by good (or bad) officiating... and in my opinion, neither was that game. I love Los Angeles... I love the Clips... but Denver was the rightful winner. Will they win the series? They probably won't even win another game... but I picked them to win this game 3 from the start.

[DarthRekal]

If anything the refs were on there side...........and they still got whupped lol.

lol@ the immortal Micheal Jordan taunting the Heat from the box-seats

*salutes his airness*

LOL jordan was taunting them... i just gained that muc more respect for him:up:

sorry go web and mister j... i cant like the heat right...it just wouldnt be right....


the refs did make the clips game ugly....the thing im worried about is the clips REVERTING back to being the clips.... i hope they can bounce back.... if not the curse of the clips...will take them down :(

[reggiebar]

Here is a little stat page from 82games.com that might help to shed some light on you cats you think you know Melo...you have no idea just how clutch the man is....

Random Stat: Game Winning Shots
UPDATED by Popular Demand: 4/13/2006!
Q: I'm pretty sure you guys would keep track of this stat but I can't seem to find it. Game winning shots. Could you send me a link of it to me if you do. -- christaki22

A: This suggestion comes up a lot, but there's really one main issue -- what exactly do we want to define as a game winning shot? If we make it too restrictive, as in a real last second shot at the buzzer, then you are dealing with tiny, tiny sample sizes. So instead, we'd propose the following filter:

Game Winning Shot Opportunity = 24 seconds or less left in the game, team with the ball is either tied or down by 1 to 2 points.


Why use this definition?

With 24 seconds or less, then it truly is a "last possession" situation potentially
With a margin from tied to down 2, the team can take the lead with a made basket (including 3's)
By excluding a down 3 situation, we don't have the "gimme two point buckets" that defenses will sometimes yield to the quick bucket/intentional foul strategy option you often see exercised.
Obviously though this definition means a shot may not actually be a game winner -- it may only tie a game (if down two points) or it may allow enough time for the opponents to get a game winning shot of their own. Still it seems a reasonable compromise.
Data sample
2003-04 Regular Season games
2003-04 Playoff games
2004-05 Regular Season games
2004-05 Playoff games
2005-06 Regular Season games (to April 12th)


Leading "Game Winning Shot" Players
Player Fgm Fga Fg% Ftm Fta Ast T/O
League Wide 438 1500 .292 303 420 191 139
Carmelo Anthony 11 17 .647 6 8 0 1
Ray Allen 8 18 .444 2 2 0 2
Michael Redd 8 19 .421 6 7 0 1
Steve Francis 8 20 .400 3 3 2 1
Allen Iverson 8 20 .400 5 7 1 2
Joe Johnson 8 23 .348 0 0 1 2
Tracy McGrady 8 23 .348 8 8 0 1
Vince Carter 8 31 .258 5 6 3 2
Ben Gordon 7 13 .538 0 0 1 1
Dirk Nowitzki 7 19 .368 6 10 0 2
Paul Pierce 7 20 .350 8 10 5 3
Kobe Bryant 7 32 .219 8 9 0 1
Jalen Rose 6 10 .600 4 5 0 4
Derek Fisher 6 12 .500 2 2 1 0
Pau Gasol 6 12 .500 3 4 1 1
Damon Stoudamire 6 12 .500 0 0 4 1
Tim Duncan 6 13 .462 3 4 0 1
Ricky Davis 6 16 .375 5 5 1 0
Dwyane Wade 6 17 .353 3 5 2 1
Jamal Crawford 6 19 .316 2 3 0 0
Damon Jones 5 8 .625 1 1 1 0
Zach Randolph 5 8 .625 4 5 0 0
Richard Hamilton 5 10 .500 2 2 2 2
Antawn Jamison 5 10 .500 0 2 0 0
Jason Terry 5 13 .385 1 2 0 0
Gilbert Arenas 5 16 .313 7 7 0 3
Mike Bibby 5 16 .313 1 1 3 1
Chris Webber 5 17 .294 0 0 1 1
Kevin Garnett 5 21 .238 3 3 0 0
Chauncey Billups 5 26 .192 11 12 2 1
P.J. Brown 4 7 .571 0 0 0 0
Yao Ming 4 8 .500 4 5 0 1
Tony Parker 4 9 .444 0 0 3 0
Richard Jefferson 4 10 .400 1 1 0 1
Shawn Marion 4 10 .400 0 0 0 0
Baron Davis 4 13 .308 2 2 2 1
Mike James 4 13 .308 2 4 2 0
Rasheed Wallace 4 18 .222 2 2 0 1
LeBron James 4 19 .211 5 9 4 2

...other Notable Players
Player Fgm Fga Fg% Ftm Fta Ast T/O
Ron Artest 3 8 .375 1 1 1 1
Jason Richardson 3 20 .150 2 7 3 2
Shaquille O'Neal 2 4 .500 3 5 1 0
Chris Bosh 2 8 .250 4 4 1 0
Rashard Lewis 2 11 .182 2 4 0 1
Jermaine O'Neal 2 14 .143 4 4 1 0
Elton Brand 1 5 .200 2 2 1 0
Corey Maggette 1 11 .091 2 2 0 2
Stephon Marbury 1 12 .083 7 7 3 1
Steve Nash 1 15 .067 2 3 6 2
Sam Cassell 0 6 .000 4 4 0 0



The first thing to note is that these types of shots are very difficult on a league wide basis: a .292 Field Goal percentage doesn't exactly inspire confidence!
Part of this is that game winning chances may come with just a couple of seconds or less remaining in the game from the inbounds. So manufacturing any shot at all in some cases is to the player's credit.

Carmelo Anthony has not only delivered the most "game winning/tying buckets" in the final moments, he's also done it at a rate that's over twice the NBA average!

Kobe Bryant meanwhile has indeed had seven such made shots over the past three seasons (including playoffs), but at a pretty low conversion rate, even factoring in his free throws.

The other thing with Kobe and a number of go-to guys is that they are not looking to pass the ball! Zero assists in these "final possession" states for Bryant with 32 shots taken (the most for any player with zero assists) says something.

Paul Pierce is one of the few star scorers who also dole out assists in the waning moments, with a nice balance of made baskets, free throws, and five dimes.

LeBron James has had some game winners lately to reach the bottom of the leader list, but there are notable players who haven't had the "qualifying" four game winning baskets.

Steve Nash does lead the NBA during this timeframe in most assists leading to game winning/tying baskets. His own shot however has not been falling.

The Clippers may also want to avoid letting it come down to the wire -- neither Brand, Maggette or Cassell have been making the shots at the very end over the past three seasons.



Now if you tweak the settings slightly, say look at the last minute and +/- 3 points max, then some players see dramatic changes...this is the problem with turning a microscope on rare situations!

Onwards and upwards. Other facts of interest --

Leaders in Free Throw attempts:
Billups 12, Pierce 10, Nowitzki 10, Bryant 9

Most game winning/tying shots that were blocked:
Carter 4, Magloire 4, Allen 4

Most game winning/tying baskets that were assisted:
Redd 5, Anthony 5, Fisher 5

Most unassisted game winning/tying baskets:
Joe Johnson 8, McGrady 7, Pierce 7, Nowitzki 7

Ultimately while this kind of thing is fun, it's not to our minds particularly meaningful, other than indicating that the league as a whole could probably get more efficient in "end game" possessions...one easy place to start might be to try and be less predictable! It's nice to have a go-to guy, but when the other team knows without much doubt that a certain guy is getting the ball, it is going to be a lot easier to defend!

Of the ten players with 20+ FGA in these situations five were shooting under .300, and none better than .400, whereas classic second/third option guys like Fisher, Damon Jones, and Jamison were highly effective.

So instead of "does my team have a great clutch go-to guy" you might want to ask do we have a plan B?

For better quality analysis of clutch play, we use a filter of "last five minutes of fourth quarter/overtime, with neither team ahead by more than five points." Each player has a page for the stats accrued under these circumstances, eg see Kobe Bryant in the clutch.

[Super_Ludacris]

truth

[DarthRekal]

he was also 6-17 he got most of his pts at the line..... but hey to each his own....

[Go Web Go!]

Jordan should me CHEERING the Heat! They retired his number! :mad:











Of course, I'm kidding...They did retire his number in 2003 though. Don't ask why. :confused:

[DarthRekal]

Jordan should me CHEERING the Heat! They retired his number! :mad:











Of course, I'm kidding...They did retire his number in 2003 though. Don't ask why. :confused:

the heat dont have much to celebrate...other than hanging southeast division champs banners.... not very much tradition at all...they NEED something....i know its a low blow... i apologize go web:(

[Go Web Go!]

They've only been around 18 years. That's nothing compared to alot of the other teams. Of course there isn't going to be much tradition.

[DarthRekal]

They've only been around 18 years. That's nothing compared to alot of the other teams. Of course there isn't going to be much tradition.

i know go web..that was my pitiful attempt at being funny..hence the apology

[Go Web Go!]

It's ok, my friend. Anyway, it's funny that I suggested a few pages back that the Nuggets ship K-Mart and his loaded contract to New York where he would fit in with all the other over-paid misfits and then hear on PTI that the Knicks are infact persuing him, lol. Oh boy. Great job, Zeke.

[Kipobe]

...and NY's front office continues to suck total ass.

It's a shame, they're not allowing Larry Brown to work his magic. Brown could really do some stuff if he had some creative freedom, but their front office is garbage. Thomas is the worse thing to happen to NY this gen.

[Go Web Go!]

...and NY's front office continues to suck total ass.

It's a shame, they're not allowing Larry Brown to work his magic. Brown could really do some stuff if he had some creative freedom, but their front office is garbage. Thomas is the worse thing to happen to NY this gen.

Well, come on...Larry Brown CHOSE to go to a franchise that was already in bad shape when he could have stayed with a team that will be championship contenders for years to come. He got himself into that mess. I don't feel sorry for him. Infact...HA HA!

Also, rumor has it is that the Knicks will persue Alonzo Mourning. Sorry again, Isaiah. Mourning becoming a Knick is like Dan Marino becoming a New York Jet. It isn't right, it isn't happening. Mourning's either going to re-sign with the Heat or retire.

[DarthRekal]

yup thats what i think about zo too...

and kip you're right about zeke..oh man



but KIP????


lets get fired up for tonight!!!!!!!!:up:

[Kipobe]

Oh, I am. I'm really enjoying these playoffs. The Cavs and Wizards are a good matchup, and Wade is easily my favorite single player in the league (stole the place of Eddie Jones last year). I love watching him come playoff time.

[NOFX]

It's ok, my friend. Anyway, it's funny that I suggested a few pages back that the Nuggets ship K-Mart and his loaded contract to New York where he would fit in with all the other over-paid misfits and then hear on PTI that the Knicks are infact persuing him, lol. Oh boy. Great job, Zeke.
Seems like a match made in heaven!

[XwolverineX]

I want to kill myself.

[NOFX]

I want to kill myself.
Because Denver going to lose tommorow night? At least wait until Tommorow my young padawan!

[Mister J]

The Wizards are really trying to piss this game away.