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musclesforsupes
11-03-2005, 10:42 AM
I like the Hawks :(
Ultimate_Superman
11-03-2005, 10:43 AM
Then I feel bad for you
Equint77
11-03-2005, 10:47 AM
Yahooo Lakers Win!!! Kobe with a game winning shot against Denver!!! 1-0 Baby!!! :cool:
A few things... Carmello is an awesome scorer but sucks at everything else... I mean really sucks at everything else.
Kenyon Martin has ZERO game... he has no jumpshot.. can't hit FT's and will always be pushed around by the PF's in the West. He's a waste.
Nene is screwed.. this was his contract year and now has to sit out with a torn ACL.
Robot Komakino
11-03-2005, 10:48 AM
i am holding out some hope for chicago this year
musclesforsupes
11-03-2005, 10:49 AM
Im holding out for rachel ray to go for a swim in a thong :D
Ultimate_Superman
11-03-2005, 10:50 AM
A few things... Carmello is an awesome scorer but sucks at everything else... I mean really sucks at everything else.
Kenyon Martin has ZERO game... he has no jumpshot.. can't hit FT's and will always be pushed around by the PF's in the West. He's a waste.
Nene is screwed.. this was his contract year and now has to sit out with a torn ACL.Listen to him this guy knows his stuff he is a former Laker ;)
Equint77
11-03-2005, 10:52 AM
Listen to him this guy knows his stuff he is a former Laker ;)
If I didn't love your movie so much I'd hate you.. :mad: :mad:
You killed Manolo. :mad:
Ultimate_Superman
11-03-2005, 10:55 AM
If I didn't love your movie so much I'd hate you.. :mad: :mad:
You killed Manolo. :mad:http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/scarface/scarface01.jpg
You think you can take me? You need a ****ing army if you gonna take me!
LastSunrise1981
11-03-2005, 11:12 AM
I'm sorry, did Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson and Steve Nash die?
Don't forget Nowitzki, Ginoboli, Paul Pierce, Rip Hamilton, Artest, and Shaq as being the best players in the NBA at the moment.
Equint77
11-03-2005, 11:28 AM
Don't forget Nowitzki, Ginoboli, Paul Pierce, Rip Hamilton, Artest, and Shaq as being the best players in the NBA at the moment.
Ginobili is a nice player but he's not a guy who's gonna carry a team over a season.. he compliments Duncan really well and should be thanking god SA took him.
Shaq is on the downside of his career... year after year he's missing more and more games... he's still a monster but he's not what he was 4 years ago. Or even 2 years ago.
Artest is a top 10 player.. stat wise but he's too uncontrollable to depend on.
Rip is like Manu... is in a team that has a system he thrives on. In Washington he was supposed to be the team leader.... it never happened. He's also lucky to be in Detriot with a group of well balanced players.
Whack Arnolds
11-03-2005, 12:12 PM
Don't forget Nowitzki, Ginoboli, Paul Pierce, Rip Hamilton, Artest, and Shaq as being the best players in the NBA at the moment.Uhhh, no. Most of those players are really good, and some of them stars..but they aren't the main man on their team. Nowitzki and Pierce are bonnafide superstars. Artest is up there as well, but Ginoboli and Hamilton are just really good second options.
Whack Arnolds
11-03-2005, 12:12 PM
BTW, LeBron was a straight beast last night...
Super_Ludacris
11-03-2005, 02:22 PM
A couple of observations from opening week so far:
-The Rockets are gonna be alright, they had a good balance game from all the players (Barry, Swift, Mac and Yao). And yes Yao is getting a bit better so Houston gonna be a problem
-Orlando still sucks and with Grant Hill out for six weeks it's gonna be another long season for Olrando :(
-Pacers got this on lock in 06 in the east
-The Pistons are a beast they played tough as hell against Philly, Rip Hamilton was a beast so I think you can put and Ben in the NBA top 10, yes I do
-Is it just me or do the NBA players look more Hip Hop with the dress code. Look at AI, the baggy tan slacks and wallabe suedes with the leather was a good look on some 90's **** :up:
-Kobe looked focused last night, Lakers should make the playoffs barring clashes with Phil
-Knicks looked ok, there rookies got potential. Shame about the OT collapse but it's a learning experience
Go Web Go!
11-03-2005, 03:37 PM
-Pacers got this on lock in 06 in the east
Based on what? One game? :rolleyes:
Equint77
11-03-2005, 03:39 PM
It's funny.. cause if you saw Reggie Miller on Tuesday before the game... he was admitting how disfunctional the Pacers were.. hell on Real SPorts he admitted the same thing.
Indiana is deep but Reggie is right... they're not a "team"... and Artest is such a wildcard.. it's tough to say he can last a whole season. JO is injury prone.
Who knows.
Equint77
11-03-2005, 03:42 PM
The Knicks blew the game on Ariza's messed up DUNK (painful)
And Free Throws.. Curry fine.. but Steph missed a whole bunch... and turnovers... JC needs to take care of the ball better.
Super_Ludacris
11-03-2005, 04:07 PM
Based on what? One game? :rolleyes:
Indiana is a better defensive team than Miami and plus your team's chemistry is suspect (Williams, Walker. Payton). On paper Miami could (They Should) take the east but as we have seen from the champions of the past 3 seasons chemistry is vital and Indiana's is much more cohesive than Miami. Plus losing Damon Jones was a back step IMO
TheAlmightyFuzz
11-03-2005, 04:37 PM
-Orlando still sucks and with Grant Hill out for six weeks it's gonna be another long season for Olrando :(
Orlando doesn't suck. :rolleyes: They had 2 bad years, both of which they were bad in defense but good in offense. They just got a coach that is defense oriented. Losing Grant Hill for 6 weeks is nothing especially if he can play most of the season. Based just on this game, you should've noticed that Dwight Howard is getting the ball more, Steve Francis is turning over the ball less, and Bo Outlaw actually makes a difference. If all you learned was "Orlando sucks" and other ridiculous statements, you didn't watch at all.
Super_Ludacris
11-03-2005, 05:07 PM
Orlando doesn't suck. :rolleyes: They had 2 bad years, both of which they were bad in defense but good in offense. They just got a coach that is defense oriented. Losing Grant Hill for 6 weeks is nothing especially if he can play most of the season. Based just on this game, you should've noticed that Dwight Howard is getting the ball more, Steve Francis is turning over the ball less, and Bo Outlaw actually makes a difference. If all you learned was "Orlando sucks" and other ridiculous statements, you didn't watch at all.
and they still lost by double digits lol
Well I'm a Magic fan for 10 years now and this team is gonna be mediocre and suck again.There management find new ways of being mediocre with no progress. Hiring Brian Hill was a stupid move just to appease nostalgic fans of the Shaq and Penny era and there new GM is clueless. Orlando sole mission now is to just win the fans, there's just nothing there other than that. The question is not whether they can make the playoffs (even if they do it's another first round exit) or whether they'll move from Orlando (St. Louis?)
I hope I'm wrong but there's nothing to tell me this team will win more than 40 games :(
TheAlmightyFuzz
11-03-2005, 05:46 PM
and they still lost by double digits lol
Well I'm a Magic fan for 10 years now and this team is gonna be mediocre and suck again.There management find new ways of being mediocre with no progress. Hiring Brian Hill was a stupid move just to appease nostalgic fans of the Shaq and Penny era and there new GM is clueless. Orlando sole mission now is to just win the fans, there's just nothing there other than that. The question is not whether they can make the playoffs (even if they do it's another first round exit) or whether they'll move from Orlando (St. Louis?)
I hope I'm wrong but there's nothing to tell me this team will win more than 40 games :(So you don't read your own posts? They lost by double digits on their 1st game of the season to the team that you said "got this on lock in 06 in the east".
They can't be worse than last year. They actually could've made it to the playoffs last year and everyone got injured at the same time. Several times last year they had to play bench guys for long minutes, guys they are reluctant to put in any game. Hiring Brian Hill was not stupid and it was their best option. He's their winningest coach and defensive minded which might I remind you again WAS THEIR BIGGEST PROBLEM. Orlando isn't going to move and the suggestion was not to St.Louis, it was to Kansas City. They have far too much interest from local business. Hell, Shaq even wants to either buy the team or have a percentage of the team when he retires. Rich DeVos listens to his kids when they say that they want the team to stay, there was even an article on it a while back in the Sentinel. They have players good enough to make it(as other coaches and GMs have even said) and what they really need to worry about is whether or not their big playmakers will get injured and I don't only mean Grant Hill.
ledzep96
11-03-2005, 06:38 PM
The Knicks blew the game on Ariza's messed up DUNK (painful)
And Free Throws.. Curry fine.. but Steph missed a whole bunch... and turnovers... JC needs to take care of the ball better.
the knicks didnt lose on arizas dunk they lost on free throws i bet larry brown is pissed
Super_Ludacris
11-03-2005, 06:41 PM
So you don't read your own posts? They lost by double digits on their 1st game of the season to the team that you said "got this on lock in 06 in the east".
They can't be worse than last year. They actually could've made it to the playoffs last year and everyone got injured at the same time. Several times last year they had to play bench guys for long minutes, guys they are reluctant to put in any game. Hiring Brian Hill was not stupid and it was their best option. He's their winningest coach and defensive minded which might I remind you again WAS THEIR BIGGEST PROBLEM. Orlando isn't going to move and the suggestion was not to St.Louis, it was to Kansas City. They have far too much interest from local business. Hell, Shaq even wants to either buy the team or have a percentage of the team when he retires. Rich DeVos listens to his kids when they say that they want the team to stay, there was even an article on it a while back in the Sentinel. They have players good enough to make it(as other coaches and GMs have even said) and what they really need to worry about is whether or not their big playmakers will get injured and I don't only mean Grant Hill.
Brian Hill was the Magic's winningest coach because he had Shaquille O' Neal and Penny Hardaway. He did a crap job in Vancouver. Orlando's best coach in terms of working with what little they had was Chuck Daly and then Doc Rivers
ledzep96
11-03-2005, 06:42 PM
whens the last time the knicks won there first game of the season
i am also a knick fan
TheAlmightyFuzz
11-03-2005, 06:51 PM
Brian Hill was the Magic's winningest coach because he had Shaquille O' Neal and Penny Hardaway. He did a crap job in Vancouver. Orlando's best coach in terms of working with what little they had was Chuck Daly and then Doc Rivers
That's just ridiculous, pretty much every coach is as good as the players they have. Phil Jackson usually had a ready made team. Doc Rivers wasn't always without talent so that doesn't work either. They got a coach that addressed their main problem.
ledzep96
11-03-2005, 06:59 PM
That's just ridiculous, pretty much every coach is as good as the players they have. Phil Jackson usually had a ready made team. Doc Rivers wasn't always without talent so that doesn't work either. They got a coach that addressed their main problem.
players arent as good as there coach sometimes the coah is better like the knicks
Super_Ludacris
11-03-2005, 07:08 PM
That's just ridiculous, pretty much every coach is as good as the players they have. Phil Jackson usually had a ready made team. Doc Rivers wasn't always without talent so that doesn't work either. They got a coach that addressed their main problem.
Coaches work to find the best out of there players and give them direction. In the 90's it was easy for Hill to coach Orlando, run the half court offense throw it in to Shaq in the paint and if double teamed kick it out to Penny, Nick or 3-D out on the perimeter. That was fine for home games(they went like 76-6 over 2 seasons at home) and to get you 50 wins but remember those Magic teams never had a coach to help that young team have the mental toughness to win on the road (hence why they used to stuggle). And of course he had no authority over Penny and Shaq( Hence Shaq going to LA and Penny leading the player revolt). But it was his struggles in Vancouver that sealed it and he had some good players there like Abdur Rahim and Mike Bibby and Micheal Dickerson but they couldn't win. Who knows maybe Coach Hill picked up on some things as assistant in NJ but who knows?
TheAlmightyFuzz
11-03-2005, 07:21 PM
Coaches work to find the best out of there players and give them direction. In the 90's it was easy for Hill to coach Orlando, run the half court offense throw it in to Shaq in the paint and if double teamed kick it out to Penny, Nick or 3-D out on the perimeter. That was fine for home games(they went like 76-6 over 2 seasons at home) and to get you 50 wins but remember those Magic teams never had a coach to help that young team have the mental toughness to win on the road (hence why they used to stuggle). And of course he had no authority over Penny and Shaq( Hence Shaq going to LA and Penny leading the player revolt). But it was his struggles in Vancouver that sealed it and he had some good players there like Abdur Rahim and Mike Bibby and Micheal Dickerson but they couldn't win. Who knows maybe Coach Hill picked up on some things as assistant in NJ but who knows?
If it was so easy, they would've won a championship. Using the "Penny revolt" is like calling Phil Jackson a crap coach with no control because Kobe made him disappear. Penny was the one with the problem, he's the one that took issue with Hill, Shaq got a better opportunity and offer in LA, plus, Penny was actually more popular at that time. Michael Dickerson? wtf? and "who knows"? you obviously think you do since you think that Orlando sucks and are going to have a bad season because of 1 game, again, a game against the team that you think is going to win the east. You just don't get it, how many times to I have to say this? They had half of what they needed before, they even had it with Johnny Davis,they actually made him look good for a little while, they didn't have the other half.
players arent as good as there coach sometimes the coah is better like the knicksI could've sworn I said "pretty much every"
If the Magic play like this after say...15-20 games, I'll agree that they suck, I had no problem saying it most of last year and the year before.
Super_Ludacris
11-03-2005, 09:09 PM
lol@ Fuzz sounding like my Orlando Sucks comment was personal
Magic aint doing **** this year. If they do I'll be happy but it's gonna be another ****ty year for my team.
TheAlmightyFuzz
11-03-2005, 09:31 PM
I had this whole thing I was going to say, forget it, you'll just say the same thing. Like I said, if they suck 15-20 games in, I'll say they suck. There's no reason they should do worse than last year.
Kipobe
11-03-2005, 09:54 PM
Yeah, so anyway, the Lakers played horribly last night, and still got the win. Phil Jackson has tons of room for improvement with this team, and I don't see why people are counting them out as a playoff contender. So many say they won't even make it.
The things the wouldn't/didn't/couldn't do last year to win games where they lost by only a handful of points (which were many) will be wins this year. Finally, Phil will be able to prove he's a good coach, and shut the mouths of the dummies like big smokey Red:down
Kipobe
11-03-2005, 10:08 PM
Furthermore, the uniforms this year are pure cock. Indiana? Cock:down Sacramento? Cock:down Seattle? Cock-cock:down:down
Also, Reebok taking over all of Nike's uniform contracks? Tripple cock!
:down
TheAlmightyFuzz
11-03-2005, 10:13 PM
Furthermore, the uniforms this year are pure cock. Indiana? Cock:down Sacramento? Cock:down Seattle? Cock-cock:down:down
Also, Reebok taking over all of Nike's uniform contracks? Tripple cock!
:down
they took over hockey's uniforms too, I've never liked reebok and their ****ty products
Kipobe
11-03-2005, 10:13 PM
Wade ain't no damn joke. Not hitting that final shot still didn't take away from the sweetness of that final play. He's the King!
Kipobe
11-03-2005, 10:15 PM
they took over hockey's uniforms too, I've never liked reebok and their ****ty products
The only thing I remember owning of Reebok (besides gifts and a few shirts here and there.... and I think a jersey) is those black patent leather Reeboks that came out a few years ago. They were okay.. but not the best.
Converse is actually alot better as of late... but I'm Nike all the way. This sucks:down
LastSunrise1981
11-03-2005, 10:17 PM
Yeah, so anyway, the Lakers played horribly last night, and still got the win. Phil Jackson has tons of room for improvement with this team, and I don't see why people are counting them out as a playoff contender. So many say they won't even make it.
The things the wouldn't/didn't/couldn't do last year to win games where they lost by only a handful of points (which were many) will be wins this year. Finally, Phil will be able to prove he's a good coach, and shut the mouths of the dummies like big smokey Red:down
Red Auerbach is a legend and has built teams from the ground up, whereas Phil didn't bother to build a struggling team and lead them to a title.
Don't say the Bulls or The Lakers, the talent was already there. How about taking a team like The Nuggets, Clippers, Grizzlies, or even New York to a championship?
Only then will he be regarded as a good coach, until then, other critics and legends like Red will call Phil for what he is and that's a coach who will jump off a sinking boat and wait for a team already built to call him.
I feel really, really bad for Miami though. Walker is simply not a good pick-up and he messes up at the wrong times of the games, which is what made me hate him and become frustrated when he played for Dallas.
They had a chance to tie and win the game; but instead of passing the ball he tries to be fancy and quick, which ultimately leads in a crucial frustrating loss for the team he's playing on.
Super_Ludacris
11-03-2005, 10:18 PM
So Reebok has NFL, NHL and NBA on contract?
Well actually addidas does. You guys know Addidas brought Reebok back in September right? Like Nike brought Converse in 2003
The Brian
11-03-2005, 10:27 PM
how about them rockets.
they should win the west over the spurs.
Kipobe
11-03-2005, 10:30 PM
Red Auerbach is a legend and has built teams from the ground up, whereas Phil didn't bother to build a struggling team and lead them to a title.
Don't say the Bulls or The Lakers, the talent was already there. How about taking a team like The Nuggets, Clippers, Grizzlies, or even New York to a championship?
Only then will he be regarded as a good coach, until then, other critics and legends like Red will call Phil for what he is and that's a coach who will jump off a sinking boat and wait for a team already built to call him.
I don't know if it's worth saying this for the billionth time, but here I go.
Nobody in their right mind compares Jackson, and (let's say for the sake of this argument) Larry Brown. Why? Because their specialties are different. Before Detroit's championship, Brown proved he could only do so much as a coach... and then he split. That's where someone like Jackson shines... take all the teams that Brown took to the playoffs, and Jackson could make them champions.
You could argue that anyone could do what Jackson did with Chicago and LA.... but not "anyone" did... and there were plenty of people who could've. How many people had Jordan and Pippen, or Kobe and Shaq? The pieces were there... but that's why it's proven that the right coach needs to come in and make the pieces gel and work.
Bottomline is, both are very good coaches... it's just that Phil is given alot of crap because he just shines up what was already treasure... people like Brown are more of refiners to make the pieces worth something. It's just that, this year, Phil will have the chance to prove he's a good coach by bringing a poor team up to a contending level... and for the record, I think he'll succeed.
The Brian
11-03-2005, 10:35 PM
phil is the best coach in nba history at taking a team with talent to the next level.
you'll never win an arguement on who's the best ever, but you could make a great arguement for both phil and red.
Kipobe
11-03-2005, 10:37 PM
...and Larry.
As far as I'm concerned, there's just no comparison.
The Brian
11-03-2005, 10:39 PM
not a fan of brown, but he's certainly up there.
Go Web Go!
11-03-2005, 11:55 PM
Indiana is a better defensive team than Miami and plus your team's chemistry is suspect (Williams, Walker. Payton). On paper Miami could (They Should) take the east but as we have seen from the champions of the past 3 seasons chemistry is vital and Indiana's is much more cohesive than Miami. Plus losing Damon Jones was a back step IMO
How can you say Miami's chemistry is suspect? We're only 2 games into the season. It's too early to tell whether or not they can work cohesively or not. I think they'll be fine. The whole chemistry issue is being blown up by the media and these so-called "experts." All they need is time to mesh well together. I don't expect them to play the way they should be playing until a month, maybe 2 months into the season. They should be ok and should end up as the 1st or 2nd seed.
Indy's a very good team. Saw that tonight first hand. I wouldn't be surprised if they take the top seed in the East, but it's a little early to say that they'll take it hands down.
As for Damon Jones...No big deal. Who was he before he joined Miami? Nothing. He was a nobody that had played on what, 9 teams in 7 years? Miami can put anyone at point guard and make them successful. Especially with Shaq and Wade creating shots for them. They did it for Rafer Alston (well, atleast Wade did) when he was in Miami and when he left everyone thought he was going to be a big loss but then they did it for D. Jones and it was "Rafer who?" I'm pretty sure they can make things work with Williams and Payton who are probably better than both Jones and Alston. We'll see.
Should be a good season. ;)
Kipobe
11-04-2005, 12:06 AM
Time for one last Laker run...
Whack Arnolds
11-04-2005, 08:32 AM
Indiana is a better defensive team than Miami and plus your team's chemistry is suspect (Williams, Walker. Payton). On paper Miami could (They Should) take the east but as we have seen from the champions of the past 3 seasons chemistry is vital and Indiana's is much more cohesive than Miami. Plus losing Damon Jones was a back step IMOWell they just need time to gel, and play accordingly. It's only the second game of the year with a new look team, let's wait till season is in full swing to see how Miami is. I actually think w/ Shaq out they will be a better team. They will be able to run the floor alot more effeciently. But last night's game was neck and neck, and wasn't a true tell sign of how things will shake out. I can see this for a fact though, Eastern Conference > western conference. Oh, and Indiani's back up PG has G.
Equint77
11-04-2005, 10:00 AM
Is it just me or does Kwame Brown just plain suck??
Yeah it's only 2 games into the season but man.. he IS USELESS.
Go Web Go!
11-04-2005, 10:12 AM
Well they just need time to gel, and play accordingly. It's only the second game of the year with a new look team, let's wait till season is in full swing to see how Miami is. I actually think w/ Shaq out they will be a better team. They will be able to run the floor alot more effeciently. But last night's game was neck and neck, and wasn't a true tell sign of how things will shake out. I can see this for a fact though, Eastern Conference > western conference. Oh, and Indiani's back up PG has G.
What does that say about Indy? They had a comfortable 14 pt. lead and it disappeared. They ending up winning by just 3 after Miami was without Shaq for half of the final period and after Miami missed 15 free throws. Like I said, too early to crown them the Eastern Conference champions. They have plenty of work to do as do the Heat if they plan on making it to the Finals.
Kipobe
11-04-2005, 10:18 AM
Is it just me or does Kwame Brown just plain suck??
Yeah it's only 2 games into the season but man.. he IS USELESS.
He's having trouble working into the system, I guess... but yeah, I never saw the hype in him from a few years back. He'll be an adequete piece, I suppose.... (Luc Longley, anyone?) but it's all about Kobe and Odom... those guys have to be untouchable... then you've got George who can supply a good 10 and 10 if worked with... and the kid I've been talking about for a while now: SMUSH! He's gonna be good.... and Phil's use of big point guards will allow him to get many more spotlight plays off of defense. I like that, because those rarely involve Kobe, and that's what this team needs.... something that doesn't have to spotlight Kobe to work. Odom just seems uninterested half the time:down
Equint77
11-04-2005, 10:24 AM
Yeah, so anyway, the Lakers played horribly last night, and still got the win. Phil Jackson has tons of room for improvement with this team, and I don't see why people are counting them out as a playoff contender. So many say they won't even make it.
The things the wouldn't/didn't/couldn't do last year to win games where they lost by only a handful of points (which were many) will be wins this year. Finally, Phil will be able to prove he's a good coach, and shut the mouths of the dummies like big smokey Red:down
Well they don't have a deep bench and their offense is dependant soley on Kobe... Odom can't carry that team if Kobe goes down.
I'm not sure if Kwame is gonna be any different than he was in Washington.. I know for sure he'll struggle with the Triangle Offense... he doesn't seem basketball smart either.
They also don't have a solid PG. Smush Parker is alright but is he really a guy you want playing 82 games as your starter?
They just don't have a solid team. And with the West the way it is.... I don't see LA making the playoffs.. even if they do improve on last season.
And for all the praise Jackson gets... if he admits he couldn't get through to Kobe.. and labeled him uncoachable.. doesn't that say a lot about his coaching ability? We should see how he does with this team... if he can get LA into the playoffs.. I'll say that's more of an accomplishment than his championships... which he was expected to win with those rosters.
Equint77
11-04-2005, 10:28 AM
He's having trouble working into the system, I guess... but yeah, I never saw the hype in him from a few years back. He'll be an adequete piece, I suppose.... (Luc Longley, anyone?) but it's all about Kobe and Odom... those guys have to be untouchable... then you've got George who can supply a good 10 and 10 if worked with... and the kid I've been talking about for a while now: SMUSH! He's gonna be good.... and Phil's use of big point guards will allow him to get many more spotlight plays off of defense. I like that, because those rarely involve Kobe, and that's what this team needs.... something that doesn't have to spotlight Kobe to work. Odom just seems uninterested half the time:down
Yeah.. I just posted about Kwame... LOL
Odom is a terrific player but he is unfocused... that's always been his problem. It's gonna be interesting to see what LA does... I'm hoping they're looking for a trade to upgrade their roster. They just don't seem deep at this moment.
Go Web Go!
11-04-2005, 11:33 AM
Who did Smush Parker play for last season? The name sounds familiar. I don't think he was with LA last year or was he?
Who did Smush Parker play for last season? The name sounds familiar. I don't think he was with LA last year or was he?
Yea I was wondering the same thing too.:o I know he wasnt with the Lakers last year but he sure as hell have a basketball name "Smush Parker". Very Catchy:)
Whack Arnolds
11-04-2005, 06:50 PM
Smush has some game..but there is no way in hell he will continue the play he has been having. He has been prone to be inconsistent as hell. I must say though, his name is cool. My favorite Bball name EVER was God Shamgod.. dude had sick handle.
Wizards punish NY tonight.
Whack Arnolds
11-04-2005, 06:52 PM
What does that say about Indy? They had a comfortable 14 pt. lead and it disappeared. They ending up winning by just 3 after Miami was without Shaq for half of the final period and after Miami missed 15 free throws. Like I said, too early to crown them the Eastern Conference champions. They have plenty of work to do as do the Heat if they plan on making it to the Finals.Exactly...holla at a fellow heat / d. wade fan...
Oh and Luda, did you see the new T-Mac's in stores? I got to play in them, and they are his best shoe ever. I picked those and the new D. Wade's up yesterday. HOT shoes.
Tony Soprano
11-04-2005, 06:53 PM
Lebron will own all. Any agree?
Tony Soprano
11-04-2005, 06:54 PM
Exactly...holla at a fellow heat / d. wade fan...
Oh and Luda, did you see the new T-Mac's in stores? I got to play in them, and they are his best shoe ever. I picked those and the new D. Wade's up yesterday. HOT shoes.
Hey I was thinking about getting them, but might get the Jermaine O'neils.
Whack Arnolds
11-04-2005, 06:56 PM
Lebron will own all. Any agree?LeBron might just win MVP this year. My bet is either him or T-Mac. The Cavs may be a sleeper team in the east. LeBron is one of the only kats in the league that even Ron Artest can't guard.
Tony Soprano
11-04-2005, 07:01 PM
What about the Heat though I wanna see them win it this year. Wade became one of my favorite players to watch last year.
Whack Arnolds
11-04-2005, 07:18 PM
What about the Heat though I wanna see them win it this year. Wade became one of my favorite players to watch last year.Wade is personally my favorite player..right above A.I., Steve Francis, and Nash..but I don't think he will get MVP. LeBron and T-Mac are single handedly the heart and soules of their respected teams. And they are both due for huge years. Speaking of Steve Francis...you guys got to check this mix tape out, made from the clips of him in elementary/ h.s./ ju-co/college, it is my favorite mix tape: http://ballislife.com/viewVideo.php?number=338
TheAlmightyFuzz
11-04-2005, 07:55 PM
oh gross, did anyone see what happened to Shane Battier?
oh gross, did anyone see what happened to Shane Battier?
What happened to him?
TheAlmightyFuzz
11-04-2005, 08:01 PM
They'll probably show it on sportscenter or something but he was going to shoot and kelvin cato was on him and so he crouched down and came up and cato's elbow hit battier hard in the head. Battier was starting to get up and all this blood starting coming out of his head and he didn't notice it until it started running down his face. He sure as hell messed up a uni there. He had to go back out with a flimsy bandage to take freethrows and then go to the lockerroom to get stitches. It probably looked worse than it was but that was a lot more blood than I usually see in basketball.
ledzep96
11-04-2005, 08:05 PM
They'll probably show it on sportscenter or something but he was going to shoot and kelvin cato was on him and so he crouched down and came up and cato's elbow hit battier hard in the head. Battier was starting to get up and all this blood starting coming out of his head and he didn't notice it until it started running down his face. He sure as hell messed up a uni there. He had to go back out with a flimsy bandage to take freethrows and then go to the lockerroom to get stitches. It probably looked worse than it was but that was a lot more blood than I usually see in basketball.
thats bad but lucky for them he wasnt a key player
Whack Arnolds
11-04-2005, 09:24 PM
Something similair happened to me 2 1/2 weeks ago. I caught a vicious elbow to the face when I was going up for a lay up, and I fractured my cheekbone and it swelled up and blood was coming out. I couldn't see out of my eye for a day. Luckily I didn't have to have re-constructive surgery.
Whatever happened to Latrell Spreewell?
TheAlmightyFuzz
11-04-2005, 09:48 PM
Whatever happened to Latrell Spreewell?
he's on the streets trying to find money to feed his kids
Go Web Go!
11-05-2005, 12:18 AM
I find it odd that no team in the NBA has offered a contract to Sprewell. There has to be someone that can use the guy. There was a rumor that he was signing with Miami but it's untrue. Eh.
I find it odd that no team in the NBA has offered a contract to Sprewell. There has to be someone that can use the guy. There was a rumor that he was signing with Miami but it's untrue. Eh.
yea werid, Sprewell can still contribute:o
My Beloved Clippers are 2-0!!! :up: :eek:
Whack Arnolds
11-05-2005, 10:30 AM
My Beloved Clippers are 2-0!!! :up: :eek:And... ? That means absolutely nothing.
Super_Ludacris
11-05-2005, 10:39 AM
And... ? That means absolutely nothing.
Happens every year some teams starts out 2-0 or 0-2 and people get gassed up or they make like the homie Chicken Little and say the sky is falling
LarryLegend
11-05-2005, 10:51 AM
I find it odd that no team in the NBA has offered a contract to Sprewell. There has to be someone that can use the guy. There was a rumor that he was signing with Miami but it's untrue. Eh.
Did you see his play with Minnesota last year? Combine that with his attitude and you have the reason nobody wants him.
Equinox
11-05-2005, 10:52 AM
How are the bulls doing?
And... ? That means absolutely nothing.
Well this hasnt happen in 15 Years???!!!:eek:
Whack Arnolds
11-05-2005, 11:57 AM
How are the bulls doing?1-0 on a 21 point comeback in the 4th quarter over the Bobcats on opening night.
Whack Arnolds
11-05-2005, 12:00 PM
Well this hasnt happen in 15 Years???!!!:eek:YOu know ti ain't gonna last. They also lost Livingston for a month.
Equinox
11-05-2005, 12:20 PM
1-0 on a 21 point comeback in the 4th quarter over the Bobcats on opening night.
21 point comeback :eek:
Sweet :) :up:
YOu know ti ain't gonna last. They also lost Livingston for a month.
No one predicted that the Clippers would be 2-0 and they did that! :up:
Whack Arnolds
11-05-2005, 02:41 PM
No one predicted that the Clippers would be 2-0 and they did that! :up:Yeah, but going 2-0 isn't difficult.... and no one didn't not predict that. Who cares what anyone's record is after 2 games? There is 80 games left to be played.
Yeah, but going 2-0 isn't difficult.... and no one didn't not predict that. Who cares what anyone's record is after 2 games? There is 80 games left to be played.
Will you please have the clippers fans this one time to be proud for once for there team...We've had very little of that:o
Whack Arnolds
11-05-2005, 02:49 PM
Will you please have the clippers fans this one time to be proud for once for there team...We've had very little of that:oAight..mainly cause your best player reps my hometown...as does Shaun Livingston.
Nuk Nukk, you see Arenas dominating?
What about Haywood, he's turning into a beast.
Whack Arnolds
11-05-2005, 04:55 PM
Nuk Nukk, you see Arenas dominating?
What about Haywood, he's turning into a beast.True on both counts. :o
Arenas will punish anybody
Whack Arnolds
11-05-2005, 06:25 PM
I wouldn't go that far...
Arenas will punish anybody
He didnt punish anyone last year against the heat!!!
Whack Arnolds
11-05-2005, 10:40 PM
He didnt punish anyone last year against the heat!!!D. Wade had him Akoned.... aka "Locked Up"
Wow what a game!!! Clippers win in OT against the T-wolves and improve to 3-0:eek:
The Riddler
11-06-2005, 02:20 AM
arenas can punish almost anybody.
You see him last night?
3-0 baby
Equint77
11-07-2005, 09:30 AM
Even though my Knicks are 0-3... The 3 rookies and Ariza showed the team has an amazing future.
I couldn't have been prouder of Lee, Frye and Nate and Ariza for how they carried the team for most of the 4th.. until Brown made a bonehead move and made subs.
Either way... I know it's a work in progress but the fact that NY has young exciting hard working players makes it all worth it.
Kipobe
11-07-2005, 09:34 AM
The Lakers could be 3-0 as well right now, if it weren't for some lapses in judgment very late in the game when they were down by 3 against Phoenix. But last night's game just goes to show two things: 1). Denver isn't gonna be much better than last year, and 2). The Lakers are better (and getting better) than people give them credit for.
I'd just like to see some strong additions made. Odom just is NOT the man. He seems uninterested, and unfocused. If he gives you 20 points, it's because he went on a rampage for 7 minutes of gameplay. After that, he's useless. Maybe Phil can shape him... who knows. But he's not really a guy you look to for 48 minutes... or even 30.
Kipobe
11-07-2005, 09:35 AM
Oh yeah, but congrats to the Clippers. They're looking really good. I've waited for them for a long time to look good.
Oh yeah, but congrats to the Clippers. They're looking really good. I've waited for them for a long time to look good.
And they did that without Maggette and Livingston!
Whack Arnolds
11-07-2005, 01:13 PM
Even though my Knicks are 0-3... The 3 rookies and Ariza showed the team has an amazing future.
I couldn't have been prouder of Lee, Frye and Nate and Ariza for how they carried the team for most of the 4th.. until Brown made a bonehead move and made subs.
Either way... I know it's a work in progress but the fact that NY has young exciting hard working players makes it all worth it.Told ya Crawford sucks..that's why Brown is benching him... much to the dissmay of Zeke. Jamal C will be in a different uni by the end of the year.
Whack Arnolds
11-07-2005, 01:15 PM
You see him last night?
3-0 babyHe still can't play defense.
And I must admit...Kobe is beastin it for the Lake show. They may be a higher seed for the playoffs than expected. Phil Jackson just knows how to get the best out of his players. :up:
Equint77
11-07-2005, 01:19 PM
Told ya Crawford sucks..that's why Brown is benching him... much to the dissmay of Zeke. Jamal C will be in a different uni by the end of the year.
LOL... a majority of the team is struggling to find their place. It's only 3 games.. I know what JC can do... I'm willing to be patient. Everyone is finding it tough under the new system. Steph is trying to adjust and struggles.. he's not sure when to take over the game at times.. which is weird.
Brown is a idiot to move Q to the shooting guard... it's as easy as having JC start with Steph.. and then rotate steph to the SG when Nate is in the game.
They can also slide Lee to the SF cause he's a rebounding machine and a good slasher. Same thing with Ariza.. who's defense gets better and better game by game.
Anyone watching Knick games... look out for those 4 guys... Ariza, Nate, Lee and Frye. What they did yesterday made me proud to be a Knicks fan. Even with the 0-3 start.
I love it how all the knicks fans get excited every year before the start of the season hoping things would change.....LOOK AT THE KNICKS START AT O-3!!! :eek: :D :up:
Equint77
11-07-2005, 01:24 PM
I love it how all the knicks fans get excited every year before the start of the season hoping things would change.....LOOK AT THE KNICKS START AT O-3!!! :eek: :D :up:
LOL... so I guess being excited about a new season is just limited in NY?
And if you read my posts I'm still excited about the season.... why don't you go back to blowing Green Day you c0ck smoker. :p
LOL... so I guess being excited about a new season is just limited in NY?
And if you read my posts I'm still excited.... why don't you go back to blowing Green Day you c0ck smoker. :p
And werent you the same person that said Cassel would have no impact with the clippers???
Equint77
11-07-2005, 01:29 PM
And werent you the same person that said Cassel would have no impact with the clippers???
Yeah.. he's like 105... but I've hated Cassell since Houston. :mad: Yet that alien manages to keep playing well year after year.
On the other hand... The Clippers have a nice team with Brand, Corey, Shawn and Cutino. I do hope they have a better season than the Lakers.
Yeah.. he's like 105... but I've hated Cassell since Houston. :mad: Yet that alien manages to keep playing well year after year.
I have to admit he does look like an alien :o http://www.basketsession.com/photos/game/inw27_cassel.gif
http://nawtythings.com/halloween/alien/a2.jpg
Whack Arnolds
11-07-2005, 03:12 PM
"Sam Cassell phone home..."
Whack Arnolds
11-07-2005, 03:15 PM
LOL... a majority of the team is struggling to find their place. It's only 3 games.. I know what JC can do... I'm willing to be patient. Everyone is finding it tough under the new system. Steph is trying to adjust and struggles.. he's not sure when to take over the game at times.. which is weird.
Brown is a idiot to move Q to the shooting guard... it's as easy as having JC start with Steph.. and then rotate steph to the SG when Nate is in the game.
They can also slide Lee to the SF cause he's a rebounding machine and a good slasher. Same thing with Ariza.. who's defense gets better and better game by game.
Anyone watching Knick games... look out for those 4 guys... Ariza, Nate, Lee and Frye. What they did yesterday made me proud to be a Knicks fan. Even with the 0-3 start.I know what JC can do as well, talent wise he has it..but he doesn't know at all how to play basketball and he is mentally incompitent..and he can't play a lick of defense or hustle. Brown already hates his a$$, lol. The whole team is entirely to used to playin ghow they want to play. They just have too many players who need the ball in their hands to be effective, and they really have no one to play defense. NY is looking bleak.
Equint77
11-07-2005, 03:45 PM
I know what JC can do as well, talent wise he has it..but he doesn't know at all how to play basketball and he is mentally incompitent..and he can't play a lick of defense or hustle. Brown already hates his a$$, lol. The whole team is entirely to used to playin ghow they want to play. They just have too many players who need the ball in their hands to be effective, and they really have no one to play defense. NY is looking bleak.
I don't know.. I'm not looking at things that way.. it's too early in the season to judge.. a lot of these players haven't had good coaching.. or too many mediocre coaches in their careers. This is all a work in progress and it's gonna take a while for everyone to know their role on the team.
See JC is used to jacking up shots on command and now he's getting used to being leashed. Same thing with Steph.. they're all having to learn to play within the team. And right now they're all trying to figure things out.. which is why JC is struggling and why the Knicks are 0-3... To be honest they'd be 2-1 if they had shot better Free throws.. that's what's killed them more than their play. At this moment I'm not worried... nor am I worried about this season because I know it's gonna take some time to adjust.
ledzep96
11-07-2005, 04:35 PM
I don't know.. I'm not looking at things that way.. it's too early in the season to judge.. a lot of these players haven't had good coaching.. or too many mediocre coaches in their careers. This is all a work in progress and it's gonna take a while for everyone to know their role on the team.
See JC is used to jacking up shots on command and now he's getting used to being leashed. Same thing with Steph.. they're all having to learn to play within the team. And right now they're all trying to figure things out.. which is why JC is struggling and why the Knicks are 0-3... To be honest they'd be 2-1 if they had shot better Free throws.. that's what's killed them more than their play. At this moment I'm not worried... nor am I worried about this season because I know it's gonna take some time to adjust.
i am i die hard knicks fan but crawford needs to stop jackin up everything also keep in mind they have a million young players but larry brown really never had young teams he benched darko for 2 seasons
Equint77
11-07-2005, 04:51 PM
i am i die hard knicks fan but crawford needs to stop jackin up everything also keep in mind they have a million young players but larry brown really never had young teams he benched darko for 2 seasons
He has though and it's why he's struggling.. he's not sure when he should shoot or if he should shoot... I wish Jamal would know he can drive to the basket anytime he wants to.. he's got a nasty cross over and is quick.. real quick. I know he'll get it eventually.
And if there was ever a time where Larry Brown was wrong about rookies.. yesterday was the game. He took Frye, Lee, Nate, and Trevor at a time when the knicks had ALL the momentum. And threw in Malik Rose for no damn reason.
Larry Brown has to know he's got 4 solid young players who work hard and hustle. Frye has a great shot and some decent low post moves.. Lee can rebound as good as anyone on the team.. his 10 rebounds in 18 minutes proves that.. and Nate can push the ball upcourt faster than anyone I've ever seen in a Knick uniform.
And Ariza? His defense and ability to steal the ball.. as well as slash and finish strong have all made him one of my favorite players on the team. If he develops his jumpshot.. he's gonna be prime time. Book it.
Whack Arnolds
11-07-2005, 05:37 PM
Crawford just doesn't know how to play / work hard/ or play D... he will never survive with Brown, just the way he couldn't stay in line with a good coach that demands alot out of his players like Scott Skiles.
Whack Arnolds
11-08-2005, 10:36 AM
Last night VC threw down this sick dunk on Zo:
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Equint77
11-08-2005, 10:37 AM
Last night VC threw down this sick dunk on Zo:
http://newphoto.1t1t.com/usr/78/120449/1131423266_0.gif
there were like 4 posters of Gonzo getting dunked on last night.... yet he still managed 6 blocks? :confused:
He's a joke.
Whack Arnolds
11-08-2005, 10:48 AM
I give him A+ for effort. Hell, if Zo was a young man again..I doubt any of those would have been dunks.
Equint77
11-08-2005, 10:50 AM
of course... when he was in his prime he would have gotten his hand on a few of them... but damn.... how many times does a guy have to get posterized in one game?
RJ got him a few times... VC tagged him a mess of times. The only one who didn't dunk on him was Wade... and I'd hope one day Dwayne would. :D
Whack Arnolds
11-08-2005, 10:55 AM
of course... when he was in his prime he would have gotten his hand on a few of them... but damn.... how many times does a guy have to get posterized in one game?
RJ got him a few times... VC tagged him a mess of times. The only one who didn't dunk on him was Wade... and I'd hope one day Dwayne would. :DIT'S DWYANE, lol. Wade blocked the ish out of VC's ish though... I was content with that.
Equint77
11-08-2005, 10:58 AM
lol... I suck at spelling.. I'm just gonna call him by his nickname... Flash from now on.
Whack Arnolds
11-08-2005, 12:57 PM
It's all good man, you're still my numero uno.
Well The Clippers finally lost there first game to the t-wolves. No Shame 3-1 Baby!!!:cool:
LarryLegend
11-08-2005, 01:11 PM
Yeah.. he's like 105... but I've hated Cassell since Houston. :mad: Yet that alien manages to keep playing well year after year.
On the other hand... The Clippers have a nice team with Brand, Corey, Shawn and Cutino. I do hope they have a better season than the Lakers.
Clipps have alot of guys who''ll fight over the ball.
Equint77
11-08-2005, 01:30 PM
Clipps have alot of guys who''ll fight over the ball.
not really.... it'll probably be problematic between Cutino and Cassell... for some reason they hardly call plays for Brand.
They'd be stupid to keep the ball away from maggette.
From what I seen so far Cassel and Cutino play well together:o
NOFX shutup the clippers are god awful they wont even make te playoffs
Whack Arnolds
11-08-2005, 02:23 PM
But Maggette is there best scorer, and he isn't even playing right now. Then you also got to factor in Livingston...
NOFX shutup the clippers are god awful they wont even make te playoffs
Dont get mad cuz Arenas got shutdown by a Shaqless Heat team last year in the Playoffs!!!
Go Web Go!
11-08-2005, 05:57 PM
He's a joke.
Knicks fan, eh?
Immortalfire
11-08-2005, 07:44 PM
My Hawks lead the Lakers right now...
Super_Ludacris
11-08-2005, 07:52 PM
off to watch Rockets-Magic game
Go Web Go!
11-08-2005, 08:42 PM
My Hawks lead the Lakers right now...
Hope you enjoyed that short lead because they were blown out, :)
Kipobe
11-08-2005, 08:49 PM
Were?
You're posting from the future?
Man... I had tickets to that game too... but I couldn't make it because I had a meeting today, so I had to sell 'em off. :down
Kipobe
11-08-2005, 08:50 PM
Lakers should be 4-0:(
BrodieBruce
11-08-2005, 08:51 PM
Ha! Bucks Don't suck!
Kipobe
11-08-2005, 08:56 PM
Milwaukee still has a team? Ew.
Kipobe
11-08-2005, 08:57 PM
Lakers give up 97 points.... that's horrible. Jackson needs to get out his horse whip!
BrodieBruce
11-08-2005, 08:58 PM
T.J. Ford owns you.
Kipobe
11-08-2005, 09:03 PM
Yeah, but Henry Ford owns him.... so it's the Circle of Life.
BrodieBruce
11-08-2005, 09:04 PM
God Bless you, Mustafa!
Kipobe
11-08-2005, 09:04 PM
Man.... this woman is squeezing an egg with her boobs..... this is phenominal. What those whacky asians won't think up next!
The Riddler
11-08-2005, 09:11 PM
wow lakers.
Great Laker game! I havent smiled for a Laker game in 2 Years!!!:mad: Im starting to love the Lakers again:)
Equint77
11-09-2005, 08:36 AM
Great Laker game! I havent smiled for a Laker game in 2 Years!!!:mad: Im starting to love the Lakers again:)
bandwagoner. :o
Ultimate_Superman
11-09-2005, 08:47 AM
bandwagoner. :ohttp://images.ibsys.com/2003/1028/2588142.jpg You know its funny you call him that see it that your an ex-Laker yourself.:confused::confused::confused:
Kipobe
11-09-2005, 09:14 AM
bandwagoner. :o
I know... at least I watched most of last season... even the hopeless games, just to find a shimmer of Laker glory to rise to the surface. The only games I didn't watch were the ones I couldn't for one reason or another!
Equint77
11-09-2005, 09:18 AM
I know... at least I watched most of last season... even the hopeless games, just to find a shimmer of Laker glory to rise to the surface. The only games I didn't watch were the ones I couldn't for one reason or another!
I just think no one who's a real fan should ever say.. "i'm gonna love the team again"... cause it shows you're only there during the good times.
I don't know... I guess it's just me. Loyalty is loyalty and if you can't show public support for the team when they suck... what's the point of even being a fan?
I especially love when I've been called a bandwagoner cause I'm a Knicks fan... LMAO....like that's possible? Last time they won the whole thing was before I was born. :D
Kipobe
11-09-2005, 10:15 AM
Yeah... I agree... I loved LA when I was growing up. I've had nothing to jump over joy with for the last three years, other than a Derek Fisher shot that put us in the finals... but it shouldn'tve been that close imo anyway.
I guess the best way to put it is, I feel like I have so much more to cheer for this year... but I never stopped loving the team!
bandwagoner. :o
It just made me sick watching the games last year after what Kobe did to my Team the year before!!! :mad: It wasnt about the lakers losing most of there games? ***** I have been watching the Clippers last 4-5 Years! So I know a thing or two about Losing! Its just last year the Lakers were not a team, they were L.A. Kobe's *shudders* But now the Phil back so its offically back to the L.A. Lakers :up:
Equint77
11-09-2005, 12:24 PM
It just made me sick watching the games last year after what Kobe did to my Team the year before!!! :mad: It wasnt about the lakers losing most of there games? ***** I have been watching the Clippers last 4-5 Years! So I know a thing or two about Losing! Its just last year the Lakers were not a team, they were L.A. Kobe's *shudders* But now the Phil back so its offically back to the L.A. Lakers :up:
LOL... and the Knicks have been a team since 2000? Did you have to endure Howard Eisley as your Starting PG? Or Felton Spencer as your center? Or a fossilized Mark Jackson? How about Clarence Weatherspoon as your only low post threat??? Hey.. Travis Knight in the paint!!!
Yet I never once said I fell out of love with them. Please.... the Lakers miss the playoffs twice in like 30 years and you're ready to jump off the wagon. God forbid Kobe go down for a season.
Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 12:30 PM
Christ, I'm a Bulls fan...chew on that.
Equinox
11-09-2005, 12:31 PM
Christ, I'm a Bulls fan
Me too :)
Whom did the Bulls lose to again? :(
LOL... and the Knicks have been a team since 2000? Did you have to endure Howard Eisley as your Starting PG? Or Felton Spencer as your center? Or a fossilized Mark Jackson? How about Clarence Weatherspoon as your only low post threat??? Hey.. Travis Knight in the paint!!!
Yet I never once said I fell out of love with them. Please.... the Lakers miss the playoffs twice in like 30 years and you're ready to jump off the wagon. God forbid Kobe go down for a season.
But at least you didnt have one player calling all the shots!!! I would rather watch former Knick Marje Lampe then go through all that again!!!
Christ, I'm a Bulls fan...chew on that.
Im Sorry :)
Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 12:34 PM
Me too :)
Whom did the Bulls lose to again? :(They took the champs to overtime. I love the fact they they have mad amounts of heart. :up:
And they know how to play.
Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 12:35 PM
Im Sorry :)It's cool. They are on their way back. I mean, I can still hang on to the fact we have won 6 titles and had the greatest player to ever to play the game, played in front of me for years.
Equinox
11-09-2005, 12:36 PM
They took the champs to overtime. I love the fact they they have mad amounts of heart. :up:
And they know how to play.
Cool.. Well make it to the playoffs again :up:
Is the loss of Eddy Curry hurting?
It's cool. They are on their way back. I mean, I can still hang on to the fact we have won 6 titles and had the greatest player to ever to play the game, played in front of me for years.
Thats nothing compared to our Great Laker Teams over the past 50 Years!!!:cool:
Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 12:39 PM
Cool.. Well make it to the playoffs again :up:
Is the loss of Eddy Curry hurting?Actually, it isn't really. Besides the intial loss of scoring. Tyson is playing well, and if he would have actually made the right foul against the Nets we would have won that game. Eddy was down right terrible on the defensive end, and he was possibly the worst rebounding center int he league..and Sweetney is playing decent. Once he gets in shape (hopefully) they will be a pretty good squad. They could have won each and every game that they lost (and they were losses to elite teams). :up:
Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 12:40 PM
Thats nothing compared to our Great Laker Teams over the past 50 Years!!!:cool:Well yeah, the Lakers have been a great organization for years. But the 2 best teams ever were the 1992 and 1996 Chicago Bulls. :o
Well yeah, the Lakers have been a great organization for years. But the 2 best teams ever were the 1992 and 1996 Chicago Bulls. :o
I dont compare teams from different era's! They were all great in there time:rolleyes:
Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 12:42 PM
I dont compare teams from different era's! They were all great in there time:rolleyes:I understand. I was just letting you know that the 2 best teams ever were both Chicago Bulls teams.
Equinox
11-09-2005, 12:44 PM
I dont compare teams from different era's! They were all great in there timehttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Well,
Thats nothing compared to our Great Laker Teams over the past 50 Years!!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif
Well,
That was comparing organzations not teams:o
Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 12:52 PM
That was comparing organzations not teams:oNo, you said TEAMS..not organization, lol. I know the Lakers have had a better organization, that is rich in history. You wanted to play the game, so I had to squash it and let you know the 2/3 best teams ever were all Chicago Bulls teams, lol.
Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 01:20 PM
A tribute..to the GOAT:
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Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 01:27 PM
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Kicks are Fire!!!
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The Joker™
11-09-2005, 01:27 PM
A tribute..to the GOAT:
Damn I can't see the pics.
Is it the Ruckers GOAT?
Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 01:44 PM
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Whack Arnolds
11-09-2005, 01:45 PM
Damn I can't see the pics.
Is it the Ruckers GOAT?No, the world's GOAT. AKA Michael Jordan.
Equint77
11-09-2005, 01:49 PM
ha ha.. this is funny what Sacramento did to the Pistons and Detriot.. abandoned buildings and burnt cars... Classy. :D
http://articles.news.aol.com/sports/article.adp?id=20051109002609990001
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Nov. 8) - When the Detroit Pistons were introduced before Tuesday night's game, the Arco Arena scoreboard flashed images of abandoned buildings, burned-out cars - nearly every outdated, offensive stereotype of their hometown.
Most of the Pistons didn't see the display, but they went out and wrecked the Sacramento Kings' home opener anyway.
Tayshaun Prince scored 25 points while making 10 straight shots, and the Pistons emphatically snapped an eight-game losing streak in Sacramento with a 102-88 victory.
The Kings quickly apologized for the scoreboard montage, and the Detroit players didn't hear about it until they got dressed in their locker room after an impressive victory - their first in Sacramento since Feb. 26, 1996.
"To do something like that, it's embarrassing," said Detroit coach Flip Saunders, who saw the video. "It's not called for. There's no excuse for that. Whoever did that owes us an apology... I know the Maloofs pretty well, and they've always been nothing but classy. I'm sure they didn't have anything to do with that."
John Thomas, the president of Maloof Sports and Entertainment, claimed he didn't know who was responsible for the video, but promised immediate discipline.
"It was a terrible mistake," Thomas said. "That's not how we do things. We apologize to the great Detroit organization and to the city of Detroit... There's no explanation. It was a mistake, and it won't happen again."
The Pistons played with plenty of motivation even though they didn't see the show. Chauncey Billups had 16 points and eight assists, and Richard Hamilton added 21 points and six rebounds as Detroit (4-0) extended the club's best start since 1996.
"I just heard about it," Billups said. "I wasn't really paying attention. That's cold. Bet they won't do that again."
"Don't tread on D," forward Rasheed Wallace said with a grin.
The Joker™
11-09-2005, 01:51 PM
Yeah he is the greatest.
Looks like his son will be great too.
NOFX, Clippers play Wizards tonight.
Prepare to be punished.
NOFX, Clippers play Wizards tonight.
Prepare to be punished.
LOL! :up: BTW anyone that thinks that Ong Bak is a great martial arts movie is an idiot!!!
How is it not?
One of the best martial arts movies ever made, no wires, no special effects, no stunt men.
And its Muay Thai instead of cliche kung fu.
Go Web Go!
11-09-2005, 04:18 PM
Kung Fu discussion is on page 22...
Milkman95
11-09-2005, 04:40 PM
ha ha.. this is funny what Sacramento did to the Pistons and Detriot.. abandoned buildings and burnt cars... Classy. :D
http://articles.news.aol.com/sports/article.adp?id=20051109002609990001
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Nov. 8) - When the Detroit Pistons were introduced before Tuesday night's game, the Arco Arena scoreboard flashed images of abandoned buildings, burned-out cars - nearly every outdated, offensive stereotype of their hometown.
Most of the Pistons didn't see the display, but they went out and wrecked the Sacramento Kings' home opener anyway.
Tayshaun Prince scored 25 points while making 10 straight shots, and the Pistons emphatically snapped an eight-game losing streak in Sacramento with a 102-88 victory.
The Kings quickly apologized for the scoreboard montage, and the Detroit players didn't hear about it until they got dressed in their locker room after an impressive victory - their first in Sacramento since Feb. 26, 1996.
"To do something like that, it's embarrassing," said Detroit coach Flip Saunders, who saw the video. "It's not called for. There's no excuse for that. Whoever did that owes us an apology... I know the Maloofs pretty well, and they've always been nothing but classy. I'm sure they didn't have anything to do with that."
John Thomas, the president of Maloof Sports and Entertainment, claimed he didn't know who was responsible for the video, but promised immediate discipline.
"It was a terrible mistake," Thomas said. "That's not how we do things. We apologize to the great Detroit organization and to the city of Detroit... There's no explanation. It was a mistake, and it won't happen again."
The Pistons played with plenty of motivation even though they didn't see the show. Chauncey Billups had 16 points and eight assists, and Richard Hamilton added 21 points and six rebounds as Detroit (4-0) extended the club's best start since 1996.
"I just heard about it," Billups said. "I wasn't really paying attention. That's cold. Bet they won't do that again."
"Don't tread on D," forward Rasheed Wallace said with a grin.
Yeah, can't wait when New Orleans comes to town - they'll probably display the destruction that the hurricane provided, flooded homes and buildings, and homeless people........that's classy alright.
Super_Ludacris
11-09-2005, 04:45 PM
On a side note the Pistons are so damn focused early in the season. Will it last?
Milkman95
11-09-2005, 04:51 PM
On a side note the Pistons are so damn focused early in the season. Will it last?
No - but they'll be right there in the Eastern Conference Finals more than likely.....Flip is giving them renewed energy it seems....
NOFX, Clippers play Wizards tonight.
Prepare to be punished.
Yup Clippers Punished the loser Wiz!!!! You have been officially owned by the Clippers!!! WASHINGTON (AP) -- Elton Brand's latest double-double ended Washington's unbeaten start.
Brand scored 31 points on 14 of 18 shooting and grabbed 13 rebounds, and the Los Angeles Clippers handed the Wizards their first loss of the season with a 102-97 victory Wednesday night.
Brand's double-double was the 181st of his career, tying him with Loy Vaught for the Clippers' franchise record.
"They've got some big, talented guys who love to bang, so I was having to fight for every shot," Brand said. "I was hitting them, but I had to fight for every one.
"Coach was calling my number. If he keeps calling those plays, I'm going to keep putting them up, for sure."
Corey Maggette finished with 20 points, six rebounds and three assists. Cuttino Mobley made the go-ahead basket and added 15 points and six assists for the Clippers.
The talk in the Clippers' locker room, however, was about Brand.
"You know what his game was tonight, it was spectacular," Maggette said. "He did everything tonight. That's what great players do.
"I know it's only our fourth game in, but I think this is an opportunity this year for him to make the All-Star team again cleanly without all the dilly-dally. We just need to keep this up and play together as a team."
Forward Antawn Jamison blamed the Wizards' lack of defensive intensity for the loss, but he wasn't taking anything away from Brand's effort.
"We didn't play smart and we didn't defend at all," Jamison said. "Those are the things that we did the first three nights and it's hard to explain why all of a sudden it happened tonight.
"Elton was feeling it. That's why he's one of the best forwards in the league. In my mind, he's a three- or four-time All-Star. He was the major reason why they won tonight. He did it on the offensive end and the defensive end, and he did it unselfishly, too. He just took his time and picked us apart."
Reserve Caron Butler, who missed the previous two games with a bruised left thigh, led the Wizards with 19 points.
"It was tough not being out there with my guys on Saturday, so it felt great to be out there with them tonight," Butler said. "Unfortunately, this one didn't end the way we wanted it to, so I can't say that my debut here was a success."
Gilbert Arenas added 18 points and 10 assists for the Wizards.
"We lost, so I think we need to keep the score in the 80s next time," Arenas said of the Wizards, who allowed a league-low 83.3 points in their first three games. "We just didn't make the plays down there in the end that we did in the last three games."
Mobley's follow shot gave the Clippers a 98-97 lead with 39 seconds remaining.
"Sam Cassell and I came here to help this team out," Mobley said. "We are here to help the maturity level. When there are four minutes left in a game, we close games out."
After Washington's Chucky Atkins missed a shot from the corner, Maggette, making his season debut, made two free throws that gave the Clippers a 100-97 lead with 23 seconds to go.
"Corey did not miss a beat," Brand said. "He got out there and hit his jump shots. If he was winded, we could not tell. It was as if he had been there for all the previous games."
The Wizards had another chance to tie, but Arenas was called for a double-dribble with 16 seconds left. Maggette's slam with 11 seconds left punctuated the Clippers' victory and marked the first time in four games the Wizards have allowed more than 100 points.
Butler's three-point play over Chris Wilcox gave the Wizards a 91-89 lead with 4:08 remaining. Mobley responded with back-to-back baskets that gave the Clippers a 94-91 lead with 3:14 left.
Brand scored nine straight points to keep the Clippers close late in the third quarter.
Jarvis Hayes and Arenas made back-to-back 3-pointers and Jared Jeffries added a layup that gave the Wizards a 65-62 lead with 7:01 left in the third. That was Washington's largest lead of the first three quarters.
The Clippers led by as many as seven points in the first half, during which the Wizards' largest lead was two.
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Ghostvirus
11-10-2005, 06:07 AM
No, the world's GOAT. AKA Michael Jordan.
I actually agree with you on that. First for everything I guess.
Super_Ludacris
11-10-2005, 06:30 AM
Man........the Knicks just plain suck LMAO 0-4? c'mon B and y'all had the 10 point lead
Equint77
11-10-2005, 08:31 AM
Man........the Knicks just plain suck LMAO 0-4? c'mon B and y'all had the 10 point lead
I'm not worried... the teams struggling with the new system... and as anyone watching noticed.. Crawford had a better game starting than coming off the bench. Q needs to hit some shots... he's slumping... Steph is still adjusting to the changes in his play and it's kinda weird watching him miss free throws. No one said it was gonna be easy but it's still a long season.
LOL.. I'm still optimistic.
I blame Brown's confusion with the rotation as much as their free throw shooting. JC was hitting his shots in the 3rd and got yanked for no reason.. he could have milked him until he stopped hitting his jumpers. When he puts the 3 rookies and Ariza.. yeah they make some mistakes but good things happen.... as they showed against GS and during stretches against the Blazers. What the Knicks need to do is dump Malik Rose or put him on the IL for the season. He's garbage and everytime they sub him in they just look lost.
I'm not worried... the teams struggling with the new system... and as anyone watching noticed.. Crawford had a better game starting than coming off the bench. Q needs to hit some shots... he's slumping... Steph is still adjusting to the changes in his play and it's kinda weird watching him miss free throws. No one said it was gonna be easy but it's still a long season.
LOL.. I'm still optimistic.
I blame Brown's confusion with the rotation as much as their free throw shooting. JC was hitting his shots in the 3rd and got yanked for no reason.. he could have milked him until he stopped hitting his jumpers. When he puts the 3 rookies and Ariza.. yeah they make some mistakes but good things happen.... as they showed against GS and during stretches against the Blazers. What the Knicks need to do is dump Malik Rose or put him on the IL for the season. He's garbage and everytime they sub him in they just look lost.
Sad.............:(
Equint77
11-10-2005, 12:34 PM
from your point of view...
I'm supporting my team... and sure they're not winning but I'll be damned if I drop them 2 weeks into the season. None of you will ever get the satisfaction of me griping about losses so don't bother waiting.
The Joker™
11-10-2005, 12:34 PM
New York only buys good baseball players.LOL
Equint77
11-10-2005, 12:35 PM
lol.. more like rent...
Whack Arnolds
11-10-2005, 12:40 PM
Looks like the Bulls may be on their way to getting a high lottery draft pick from NY.
Clippers in first Place!!! :eek:
ATLANTA (AP) -- The Los Angeles Clippers have their best start after six games in 20 years, and they are dreaming of an even better finish.
"We want to be one of the top teams in the West, and we think we are," Elton Brand said after he scored 23 points to lead the Clippers past the winless Atlanta Hawks 102-95 Thursday night.
"The sky is the limit right now," said Sam Cassell, who added 21 points as the Pacific Division-leading Clippers moved to 5-1 for the first time since the 1985-86 season.
Asked if he was surprised by the strong start, Cassell said: "I've been saying it all year. It's not surprising me."
The Hawks, meanwhile, have lost their first five games for the first time since the 2000-01 season, when they started 0-7.
The Hawks stayed close but didn't lead after the first quarter.
"I thought we were on the verge, but a loss is a loss," said Joe Johnson, who led the Hawks with 24 points and set a season high with 10 rebounds.
Johnson said the Hawks "don't know how to win."
"It's tough right now," Johnson said. "We're in a nasty funk. Somehow, someway, we have to find a way to get a victory."
Coach Mike Dunleavy said his Clippers were wary of overlooking the Hawks, especially after also beating Atlanta 92-77 Saturday in Los Angeles.
"I was really worried about this game, obviously, playing a team that has not won yet," Dunleavy said. "I knew they were going to come out and play hard. They gave a great effort and the longer you let them stay around, hang around, the more confidence builds, the more opportunity they have to win."
Added Dunleavy: "They're a young team but I expected us to win because we have more talent than they do."
Corey Maggette, playing in his second game since returning from a strained left hamstring, added 17 points in only 25 minutes.
The Hawks were held to 41 percent shooting from the field, including 1-for-9 on 3-point attempts. The Clippers made 48 percent of their shots.
Atlanta's Zaza Pachulia also had a double-double with 16 points, 13 rebounds and a team-leading six assists. Al Harrington added 14 points and rookie Marvin Williams had 12.
Maggette scored 20 points in Wednesday night's win at Washington, coming off the bench with 10 points in the second and fourth quarters. Again he came off the bench against Atlanta to score 10 in the second quarter as the Clippers led 50-47 at halftime.
The Clippers' biggest lead of the first half was 39-29.
The Clippers maintained the lead but couldn't pull away. After leading 75-69 at the end of the third quarter, the Clippers' biggest lead in the final period was 12 points.
"We're 5-1 but we're not happy," Brand said. "We didn't play to the best of our ability."
Brand had seven rebounds, missing a chance to set a franchise record with his 182nd double-double with the Clippers. Brand shares the mark with Loy Vaught.
"He's on a nice little roll," Hawks coach Mike Woodson said. "You have to pick your times when you double him. ... He's a load. He's a career double-double since he's been in the league. He makes it tough for a lot of teams."
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The Riddler
11-11-2005, 04:10 AM
the rockets need some time to get together, and most importantly they need t-mac.
with that said, yao is one of, if not the best center in the league now.
Milkman95
11-11-2005, 09:31 AM
Detroit is the only undefeated team in the league now - they beat Phoenix last night for a 5-0 start............I'm sure they'll drop their next game.......
Cold2daToucH004
11-11-2005, 09:47 AM
Detroit is the only undefeated team in the league now - they beat Phoenix last night for a 5-0 start............I'm sure they'll drop their next game.......
Yeah I doubt that, we were supposed to lose last night. If we were going to lose a game, it woulda been to Phoenix. We're playing Portland tonight, so we'll see. I hope they dont lose. 6-0 sounds a lot better then 5-1
According to todays NY post the Knicks are looking to deal Marbury :/
Cold2daToucH004
11-11-2005, 10:13 AM
Poor Larry Brown, he has his hands full over in NY
Yeah he does but if we trade Steph I wonder who we'll be getting in return? I see JC getting traded first
Equint77
11-11-2005, 10:33 AM
that's just plain stupid to deal steph, especially this early in the season..... I love Zeke but he has to stop with these trades... all this moving around will never allow the team to stablize.
God everyone's in damn panic mode and it's just 2 weeks in.
if they do trade him... I wanna tear the team down and keep getting younger. I like our nucleus of Nate, Lee, Frye, Curry and Ariza. They're all 21 or 22.
Cold2daToucH004
11-12-2005, 12:18 AM
Yeah I doubt that, we were supposed to lose last night. If we were going to lose a game, it woulda been to Phoenix. We're playing Portland tonight, so we'll see. I hope they dont lose. 6-0 sounds a lot better then 5-1Man oh man, like I said... 6-0 sounds damn good. Portland got smoked in the last couple minutes. Detroit is clearly a 4th quarter team. It usually comes down to the stretch, but when thats the case... Pistons will almost always come out with the win.
6-0 baby, westcoast sweep
Whack Arnolds
11-12-2005, 01:09 AM
that's just plain stupid to deal steph, especially this early in the season..... I love Zeke but he has to stop with these trades... all this moving around will never allow the team to stablize.It's Brown who is demanding it. Peter Vecey was on ESPN radio yesterday morning and he said Brown is wanting to completely re-vamp the locker room again...LMAO, he isn't liking the type of players he has.
They are playing bad now, imagine if they revamp this team through out the season. That pick the Bulls got from them is getting higher and higher. Not to mention Sweetney is actually playing better than Curry did here. :up:
Whack Arnolds
11-12-2005, 01:13 AM
the rockets need some time to get together, and most importantly they need t-mac.
with that said, yao is one of, if not the best center in the league now.Meh, lol...that's not saying much. Yao actually is still a weak ****. He just doesn't have that physical or mental toughnes.. especially for being 7'5"..he should be averaging close to 30 a game, EASILY. Yao is never going to be a dominate player. Just a really good player. He isn't a pitbull, he doesn't have that tough mental psyche. He looked weak out against the Heat, and was visibly tired playing against and old and weary Alonzo Mourning. His pathetic butt scored like 4 points in the last 10 minutes of the game... that is pathetic. Especially when he is the team's main option now that T-Mac is out. :down
The Joker™
11-12-2005, 01:42 AM
I think Shaq is the best center ever.
Did anyboy catch that interview with Alan Iverson on Quite Frankly.
I thought it was great, hes a very cool guy.
The Riddler
11-12-2005, 03:56 AM
Meh, lol...that's not saying much. Yao actually is still a weak ****. He just doesn't have that physical or mental toughnes.. especially for being 7'5"..he should be averaging close to 30 a game, EASILY. Yao is never going to be a dominate player. Just a really good player. He isn't a pitbull, he doesn't have that tough mental psyche. He looked weak out against the Heat, and was visibly tired playing against and old and weary Alonzo Mourning. His pathetic butt scored like 4 points in the last 10 minutes of the game... that is pathetic. Especially when he is the team's main option now that T-Mac is out. :down
just because he's 7 foot 6 inches tall doesn't mean he'll drop 30 on you every night.
he's clearly capable of it, and the reason he only scored 4 pts. late in the game was because he didn't have the ball in his hand, quite simply.
also, he does need to work on his stamina, and he never will be an agressive player, but he IS mentally tough. those two things are very different.
20 pts., 10 boards, 3 block shots per game is good stat sheet.
he CAN be a dominate center, because he's shown flashes of dominating the offensive side of the ball, but he has to play more minutes, shoot more shots and develop better instincts on the court.
Whack Arnolds
11-12-2005, 10:36 AM
just because he's 7 foot 6 inches tall doesn't mean he'll drop 30 on you every night.No, he definetely should..especiLLY A 7'6" man w/ his skill level. There is no excuse...as Charles Barkely said. Especially with McGrady being out, and the entire offense running through him.
he's clearly capable of itAnyone is capable of scoring 30. I meant doing it on a consistent basis.
and the reason he only scored 4 pts. late in the game was because he didn't have the ball in his hand, quite simply.Because he couldn't get into position because he is weak and out of shape.
also, he does need to work on his stamina, and he never will be an agressive player, but he IS mentally tough. those two things are very different.I know they're different...that's why I mentioned both. Did you not see Yao get dominated by Shawn Bradely in the playoffs? lol.. If he had a strong mind fram and mentality it would be more aggressive and focused. Yao is weak mentally compared to other players.
20 pts., 10 boards, 3 block shots per game is good stat sheet.Yeah, but a) games aren't won on stat sheets and b) that doesn't tell the whole story. He has 16 points in the first half, then only 4 in the second half and none during crutial stretches where they need buckets to win the game. A decent stat sheet is nothing. Many players can give you that or better. Hell, Elton Brand does better numbers than that on average. :o
he CAN be a dominate center, because he's shown flashes of dominating the offensive side of the ballThat's called potential. He doesn't have the toughness to be dominate. He is weak and fragile. No mean streak in him, and to be a great one you have to play mean.
but he has to play more minutes, shoot more shots and develop better instincts on the court.Most of that ties into mental toughness. Having the ability to get yourself in proper shape to play the whole game? mental toughness... Shoot more shots? Agressivness that stems from character makeup and you guessed it mental toughness. etc. etc. Yao will always remain a good player. he will NEVER be in the elites with the Hakeems, Shaqs, Chamberlains, Ewings etc.
Equint77
11-14-2005, 08:30 AM
It's Brown who is demanding it. Peter Vecey was on ESPN radio yesterday morning and he said Brown is wanting to completely re-vamp the locker room again...LMAO, he isn't liking the type of players he has.
They are playing bad now, imagine if they revamp this team through out the season. That pick the Bulls got from them is getting higher and higher. Not to mention Sweetney is actually playing better than Curry did here. :up:
Well I'm happy with what Curry has done so far.. sure he's had his bad moments but he's picked up his free throw % and he's getting in better shape game by game.
Last night against Sac was how I hoped they could play consistantly... Q hit his shots.. Steph looked to pass... the rookies contributed... Ariza was f**king amazing. JC played under control.
I'm soooo hoping last night was a step forward cause they played really well. Amazingly their defense has been solid and their offense is the one needing improvement.
And for those Knick fans who hated Frye at 8... please shut your mouth. 10 points 6 rebounds through 6 games..
Whack Arnolds
11-14-2005, 11:30 AM
Well I'm happy with what Curry has done so far.. sure he's had his bad moments but he's picked up his free throw % and he's getting in better shape game by game.Curry is still weak as hell. Just look at the rebounding averages... and just for a word of advice, Curry wil NEVER be in shape. Trust me. I watched him for the past 4-5 years. Ontop of that he was with the Bulls, who have the most demanding and upscale training process to get in shape in the entire League..and Curry still never cut it. I mean I would love for the kid to have a good career, but he just doesn't have any work ethic to be anything more than an average player.
JC played under control.This won't happen to often...
I'm soooo hoping last night was a step forward cause they played really well. Amazingly their defense has been solid and their offense is the one needing improvement.Possibly, but we have to see if they keep it up...which looks doubtful.
WTF is up with Marbury's freethrows:confused: he was an 83% shooter from the line last season
Equint77
11-14-2005, 11:40 AM
Curry is still weak as hell. Just look at the rebounding averages... and just for a word of advice, Curry wil NEVER be in shape. Trust me. I watched him for the past 4-5 years. Ontop of that he was with the Bulls, who have the most demanding and upscale training process to get in shape in the entire League..and Curry still never cut it. I mean I would love for the kid to have a good career, but he just doesn't have any work ethic to be anything more than an average player.
This won't happen to often...
Possibly, but we have to see if they keep it up...which looks doubtful.\
Curry 14 and 7 in 25 minutes a game so far... his rebounding has improved a bit. He also looked good last night.. ran the floor well.. kept his defensive intensity. I'm happy with Eddy so far.
JC is averaging 6 shots less than last year... I'd say that's more under control... even though he is playing fewer minutes this year... however.. he's not just jacking up shots like he used to.
But like you said.. we'll have to wait and see throughout the season.
Whack Arnolds
11-14-2005, 11:50 AM
The Knicks are still a mess right now, no matter if you put a positive spin on it or not.
Equint77
11-14-2005, 11:54 AM
The Knicks are still a mess right now, no matter if you put a positive spin on it or not.
lol.... I'm gonna stay being positive.... I doubt anyone here other than Knick fans are watching every game and seeing what's actually going on.
The 1-5 is deceptive... 3 of those were lost on missed free throws. And yeah a loss is still a loss.
Whack Arnolds
11-14-2005, 11:58 AM
lol.... I'm gonna stay being positive.... I doubt anyone here other than Knick fans are watching every game and seeing what's actually going on.
The 1-5 is deceptive... 3 of those were lost on missed free throws. And yeah a loss is still a loss.Come on dude...you don't have to watch them to know they are a mess right now. With Brown already going against the projected starting lineup...the team having trouble getting any rythm and playing controlled, disciplined basketball... they are having messy problems. Especially for a team with so much individual talent, and a supposed great coach, they were expected to be kicking ass. Their team has been playing like hot garbage, even if a few games were lost on missed free throws. A loss is a loss as you said. There was 44 other minutes within those games where they could have won and played smart basketball. The problem is their players have tremendous talent, but seriously low bball IQs.
Whack Arnolds
11-14-2005, 12:00 PM
You can be a Knick fan, even a positive one, and still admit that.
Equint77
11-14-2005, 12:12 PM
Come on dude...you don't have to watch them to know they are a mess right now. With Brown already going against the projected starting lineup...the team having trouble getting any rythm and playing controlled, disciplined basketball... they are having messy problems. Especially for a team with so much individual talent, and a supposed great coach, they were expected to be kicking ass. Their team has been playing like hot garbage, even if a few games were lost on missed free throws. A loss is a loss as you said. There was 44 other minutes within those games where they could have won and played smart basketball. The problem is their players have tremendous talent, but seriously low bball IQs.
You wanna know what the mess is? Brown unable to lock in a rotation... which extends to 11 some nights.. which unbalances the chemistry they need to build. And sometimes I don't blame him.. God damn Malik Rose is a waste of sweat.
Add that to the fact that his best bench players are all in their early 20's... 3 of which are rookies and will make mistakes... during crucial times.
Also figure in that Marbury who's a career 80% free throw shooter is hovering above 50% for the season.... And the fact that he's slowly learning how to play under a completely new system... that doesn't require him to carry the load offensively. It's no wonder why he's struggling.. as well as the team.
Then you have Curry who's getting into playing shape after missing damn hear half the year for that heart thing. As well as learning a new system... yeah it's gonna be a slow process.
Q is struggling to find his shot....mainly because of a stupid hamstring injury he suffered during preseason, but last night showed he might start to get his stroke back. If he gets back to normal.. that will improve the Knicks offensively and open things up for everyone else.
JC... who as much as you don't wanna believe is changing right now... he's not jacking up shots and is showing some effort on defense. I love his game and I look to see him improve.
The positives??
They lead the league in rebounds and are 13th in opponent points... which is something considering they had last place in damn near every category last year.
What I see is an improvement in team talent... and it will take time (which is what I've been saying for a month now). But I'm hoping that now they can settle down and start getting some wins.
And I'm not sure who said they'd be kicking ass? Or who expected that... I certainly didn't because that's unrealistic for a team that has 8 new players on thier roster. As well as a new coach.
Whack Arnolds
11-14-2005, 12:25 PM
You wanna know what the mess is? Brown unable to lock in a rotation... which extends to 11 some nights.. which unbalances the chemistry they need to build. And sometimes I don't blame him.. God damn Malik Rose is a waste of sweat.The lineup keeps changing BECAUSE there is no chemistry. Brown doesn't have the right mix of players. Too many people wanting to be chiefs, and not enough indians.
Add that to the fact that his best bench players are all in their early 20's... 3 of which are rookies and will make mistakes... during crucial times.He has effective bench players, that if used properly could be crutial. But yes, Rookies will make mistakes.. but that still doesn't negate the fact that some of them simply have no clue.
Also figure in that Marbury who's a career 80% free throw shooter is hovering above 50% for the season.... And the fact that he's slowly learning how to play under a completely new system... that doesn't require him to carry the load offensively. It's no wonder why he's struggling.. as well as the team.That no excuse either. Marbury didn't have to completely carry the team when he was a Sun, these guys are professionals and are the best at what they do. It really shouldn't take them that long to adapt. Marbury is still their most consistent scorer, and he really hasn't been playing that much different from last year. His free throws will come back up to speed..but that's not WHY they are losing ball games. The vets haven't been playing up to their potential. I give credit to the rooks who have been giving it their all though.
Then you have Curry who's getting into playing shape after missing damn hear half the year for that heart thing. As well as learning a new system... yeah it's gonna be a slow process.I understand that.
JC... who as much as you don't wanna believe is changing right now... he's not jacking up shots and is showing some effort on defense. I love his game and I look to see him improve.No he's not. His shot selection is still piss poor. He actually had a better shot selection in Chicago, and I thought it was horrible when he was here.
And I'm not sure who said they'd be kicking ass? Or who expected that... I certainly didn't because that's unrealistic for a team that has 8 new players on thier roster. As well as a new coach.Maybe not kicking ass per se..but winning more than 1 game through 6. LOL, that's just really bad. But who knows, they will most likely turn it around. Once Brown gets a good solid rotation, and the system starts to kick in. Just don't expect Curry to be in shape, and play in 4th quarters, or for JC to start playing effective D or having a good shot selection...cause it won't happen.
2005-06 Power Rankings: Week 2
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (2) Pistons 6-0 Talk about perfect starts. For fuel, undefeated Pistons have also convinced themselves that they're still getting no respect from the outside world when, in truth, everyone around the league is raving about them.
2 (1) Spurs 5-2 The injuries and two heavy road defeats on consecutive Saturdays are indeed worrying, but here's the pick-me-up: Duncan is shooting 84.2 percent at the line.
3 (8) Wizards 5-1 Arenas can be rather amazing, but you already knew that. Maybe the best part about Washington's start is its league-leading opponent FG defense: 39.1 percent.
4 (5) Bucks 4-1 Not trying to put a damper on the heady start, but now we'll really assess Bucks' progress with four games out West ... and only seven road wins last season.
5 (3) Pacers 4-2 Maybe my expectations are too high, especially this early, but I reckon Pacers should be 6-0. Doubt they'd disagree with me, either, given the manner of their two defeats.
6 (4) Mavericks 4-2 Having played just once at home, and having apparently survived a Dirk back scare without too much panic, Mavs are quietly pleased with where they are so far.
7 (11) Clippers 5-2 How many guesses would you need to identify the only team in the league to beat Wiz? A few, I'm guessing, before you went with those still-hot Clips.
8 (6) Suns 3-3 Amare-less Suns needed a pick-me-up after three late collapses at home, and here it is: Diaw and Barbosa are contributing faster than anyone envisioned, which certainly can't hurt the long-term outlook.
9 (9) Heat 4-3 Even 'Toine and J-Will should be able to agree that now is the time to rack up some wins without Shaq. Miami's eight opponents for the rest of the month include Hornets, Raps, Blazers, Magic, Knicks and Hawks.
10 (19) Cavaliers 5-2 Good response to a poor start. A 4-0 week, even against so-so comp, put Cavs in Team O' The Week running and merits a return to the top 10.
11 (17) Warriors 4-3 In their locker room after Saturday's loss in Phoenix, you'd have thought Warriors had just fallen to 1-6. But maybe that's a good sign that they're this focused already.
12 (12) Grizzlies 4-3 Turns out Grizz fans apparently like Pau's beard. They also seem to like Pau's aggression so far, apart from a muted showing in Boston in a frustrating one-point L.
13 (24) 76ers 4-3 Nowitzki's injury departure Wednesday was good fortune, but credit Sixers for building on that break with a couple of quality follow-up triumphs over Lakers and Clips.
14 (14) Nuggets 3-4 Camby is playing better-than-ever ball. Of course, if Nuggets don't have Nene or K-Mart, Camby might have to go for 18, 22 and seven every night.
15 (23) Bulls 3-2 Bulls haven't won more than four games in November since MJ's last season (1997-98). It looks like this November might be different, even as the annual early-season arrival of the circus sends Chicago on the road for six.
16 (13) Jazz 4-3 AK-47's ankle injury doesn't appear to be serious. Yet it's serious enough to remind you what happened to Utah when he got hurt early last season.
17 (7) Nets 3-4 Houston can probably justify a sub-.500 record, having lost T-Mac briefly. Nets have a bit more explaining to do, tough sked or not.
18 (25) Celtics 3-3 So they can't beat Duncan's Spurs. So what? Celts can live with a 16th loss in a row to S.A. when it's sandwiched between wins over Memphis and Houston.
19 (10) Lakers 3-3 The big Hollywood showdown this week? No, not Phil vs. Larry on Wednesday. Try Lakers vs. Clips on Friday.
20 (20) Timberwolves 3-3 Wolves don't play a road game for another 10 days. Which is probably welcome news after two OT road defeats and a failure to win at depleted Denver.
21 (28) Magic 2-4 The consolation for the league's lowest-scoring team? Magic, at 84.3 ppg, are staying in games with a much-improved defense (89.3 ppg allowed, down from 101.8).
22 (15) Rockets 2-4 JVG was lamenting his team's lack of speed before they went out and lost to Boston by 20. Don't know how fast Spree is at 35, but it's probably worth checking out.
23 (21) Hornets 2-3 With Hornets coming off a season that began at 2-29, you can understand why they were so proud to be 1-0 and then 2-1. And why 2-3 is passable, too.
24 (26) Trail Blazers 2-3 If you wish to claim that you expected Nate's new team to start faster than his old team, go ahead. But we don't believe you.
25 (16) Kings 2-5 I'm starting to question my pre-season wisdom of giving a nod to history and consistency to rank Kings at No. 11. Losing to NY how they did has to test the faith.
26 (18) SuperSonics 2-4 If they can recover to contend after this avalanche -- three consecutive losses by a combined 93 points -- it would be an even more dramatic rise to prominence than last season's. Trouble is, harmony seems a long way off here.
27 (27) Knicks 1-5 The last 0-5 start Larry endured before this one wound up 43-39 (Philly in 2001-02). Even after the Sacto breakthrough, 43 wins still seems rather optimistic.
28 (22) Bobcats 2-5 More disappointing than the losing streak is Wallace's run of injuries. Swingman's surprising start has been interrupted by a concussion and now a wrist ailment.
29 (29) Hawks 0-6 Can't see Spree really wanting to play here even if there are no other offers. Not with so many small forwards in Atlanta and not a lot of short-term hope.
30 (30) Raptors 0-6 One hurting Raps fan wrote in to suggest that he'd take a point for Sunday's Seattle loss like Leafs get for OT defeats. You can understand the cynicism/desperation, given that five of Toronto's first six games were at home.
Equint77
11-14-2005, 12:47 PM
The lineup keeps changing BECAUSE there is no chemistry. Brown doesn't have the right mix of players. Too many people wanting to be chiefs, and not enough indians.
No.. there is chemistry... he's just shuffling for no damn reason. He puts Rose in the rotation and the entire team collapses. He throws in this jerk Barnes for what? The guy couldn't hit the side of the moon.
He has effective bench players, that if used properly could be crutial. But yes, Rookies will make mistakes.. but that still doesn't negate the fact that some of them simply have no clue.
Well that takes teaching.... and maybe this is me but I think that they can be taught. Which is what I'm hoping Brown is doing.
That no excuse either. Marbury didn't have to completely carry the team when he was a Sun, these guys are professionals and are the best at what they do. It really shouldn't take them that long to adapt. Marbury is still their most consistent scorer, and he really hasn't been playing that much different from last year. His free throws will come back up to speed..but that's not WHY they are losing ball games. The vets haven't been playing up to their potential. I give credit to the rooks who have been giving it their all though.
Yeah.. Steph didn't have to carry the teams.. but he did because that's what he based his game on. Shoot the ball or handle it 90% of the time. True they are professionals but they're programmed to play their way... and with Brown... Steph is now looking to pass first THEN shoot.. which is something he's NEVER done before. He's still hesitant because he wants to do the right thing but still play his game. He's learning to lead by example.. not by stats. That's something you can't do overnight.. or in 2 weeks or a month. And yes.. free throws are why they lost to Boston and to GS both times. Portland was a bust and Washington.. they came back all the way back from 19 down...
No he's not. His shot selection is still piss poor. He actually had a better shot selection in Chicago, and I thought it was horrible when he was here.
Not from what I've seen so far.. he's now looking to drive more than pull up for a 20 foot jumpshot off balanced. He has controlled his shots more... and he too is adjusting to pass first. Yeah he'll still have his moments where he'll jack up.. but it has improved so far.
Maybe not kicking ass per se..but winning more than 1 game through 6. LOL, that's just really bad. But who knows, they will most likely turn it around. Once Brown gets a good solid rotation, and the system starts to kick in. Just don't expect Curry to be in shape, and play in 4th quarters, or for JC to start playing effective D or having a good shot selection...cause it won't happen.
LOL.. how are you gonna tell me what to expect from players from my team? Trades happen and some players end up making careers in thier new teams.. some don't... some end up worse.
And to show I'm not being bias... Jerome James is a sack of *****... so is Malik Rose.
Whack Arnolds
11-14-2005, 12:51 PM
I'm just letting you know you'll be let down. I had these 2 on my team before we dumped them off to you guys.
Ultimate_Superman
11-14-2005, 01:23 PM
How about my Wizards. God we are doing well once again. For the first time in a while we have a good Basketball team 2yrs stright.
Equint77
11-14-2005, 01:29 PM
I'm just letting you know you'll be let down. I had these 2 on my team before we dumped them off to you guys.
I'm still gonna cut them slack.
One's been on the team just one year and yet had 2 coaches.. now his 3rd.
The second one is working his way back into shape.
It's a long year. I'm not gonna come down on them yet.
Whack Arnolds
11-14-2005, 01:30 PM
How about my Wizards. God we are doing well once again. For the first time in a while we have a good Basketball team 2yrs stright.Gilbert Grape, was dropping Tony P off the other night. Got loose on his ass for 43 pts. :up:
Equint77
11-15-2005, 08:23 AM
That's 2 in a row.... and Nuk... JC has been shooting 50% the last 3 games... and last night he showed a lot of poise spotting up.
Also Curry has improved his rebounding and defense.... 5 blocks isn't bad.
it's still early but they're improving... I just want it to continue.
LA tomorrow.
Whack Arnolds
11-15-2005, 12:41 PM
Just wait to see it for an entire season. It's only 2 wins...
Equint77
11-15-2005, 12:43 PM
Just wait to see it for an entire season. It's only 2 wins...
yeah I know.... And I kinda get an understanding of Brown's rotation.... he's trying to wear the other teams down by throwing differnt line ups every few minutes... and I think the players are finally understanding it. It took me last night to figure it all out.
Whack Arnolds
11-15-2005, 12:52 PM
It still was a mad ugly game, against a depleted Jazz club.
Equint77
11-15-2005, 01:07 PM
a win is a win.. if they sucked as much as everyone thinks they do... they'd have lost.
To be honest... I think they can beat LA tomorrow and Denver on Friday. We'll see.
Wizards number 3 in the power rankings.
Clippers' 6-2 start best in franchise history
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Sam Cassell has earned a reputation for making every team he plays on better. It's even working for the Los Angeles Clippers.
Cassell had 23 points and nine assists before sitting out the fourth quarter, Corey Maggette added 21 points and the vastly improved Clippers breezed to a 109-85 rout of the Milwaukee Bucks on Tuesday night.
At 6-2, Los Angeles is off to the best start in franchise history and tied with defending NBA champion San Antonio for the best record in the Western Conference.
"It feels good to have the team playing at such a high level," Cassell said. "It was our defensive intensity that won it tonight. We had a lot of deflections tonight and our team strives off of deflections. We got on the break and we stopped them from scoring. I don't know what they shot as a team (39 percent), but I know it wasn't that high."
Elton Brand had 20 points and 11 rebounds. Quinton Ross, who has started all eight games for the Clippers at small forward, sat out the second half because of back spasms. Maggette, coming off the bench for the fourth straight game after missing the first four because of a left hamstring strain, scored his first 11 points in the second quarter.
"My job is to play basketball," said Maggette, who led the Clippers in scoring each of the previous two seasons. "As far as my situation, coming off the bench, I have nothing else to say about that. I'm going to let the coach handle that. I'm just glad my team is winning and playing good right now. Our team has a lot of weapons, and each game we have to use them to win."
Michael Redd and backcourt mate T.J. Ford each had 15 points for the Bucks, who have lost 17 consecutive road games against Western Conference teams since beating Sacramento 112-101 on March 23, 2004. They dropped all 15 on the road against the West last season.
"We've been playing from behind all year, and I don't know if it caught up to us," Milwaukee coach Terry Stotts said. "The Clippers came out and showed why they have the kind of record they do. They hit the shots they needed to hit."
Milwaukee entered as the only team that had not been held under 100 points, and had outrebounded its opponent in each of the first five games. But the Clippers finished with a 38-35 edge on the boards and limited the Bucks to two offensive rebounds in the second half.
"That was the difference right there," Los Angeles coach Mike Dunleavy said. "We didn't let them get second-chance points, and we were able to get out in the open court and run up the score."
Bobby Simmons, who left the Clippers after two seasons to sign a $47 million, five-year contract with the Bucks last August, scored 13 points in 32 minutes in his first game against his former teammates after averaging 14.2 points and 7.0 rebounds in Milwaukee's first five games.
Simmons, voted the NBA's most improved player last season, attempted only one shot in the first quarter and missed on a 17-foot jumper. He started 0-for-3 and finished 5-for-12 from the field.
When he arrived at his locker before the game, Simmons found a Clippers No. 21 road jersey hanging in it.
"He's a great friend of mine," Maggette said. "I was talking trash to him each time down the court, but I was glad to see him back."
The Clippers never trailed, increasing a 14-point lead to 83-59 with a 12-2 spurt capped by Brand's two free throws with 1:17 left in the third. Cassell, who turns 36 on Friday, scored the first six points of that run and Los Angeles opened the fourth with a 14-5 spurt for a 99-68 cushion with 6:18 to play.
"Corey, Elton, it's their team. I'm just a guy who's going to run the ship," Cassell said. "I've only got a couple of years left to play in this league. I'm playing this year and two more, and I'm done. I'm going to be a reserve next year and I'm going to live it out."
Game notes
The Clippers have beaten Milwaukee six straight times at Staples Center. The franchise record for consecutive home wins against one team is 13, against the Jazz. The first six were played in Buffalo, the last seven in San Diego. The Clippers beat Dallas 11 straight times at the L.A. Sports Arena from 1990-94. ... Maggette scored 34 points the last time he faced Milwaukee in a 116-108 win on March 23 in Los Angeles. ... Los Angeles opened with an 8-0 run while Milwaukee missed its first six shots. ... Milwaukee's Andrew Bogut, the first overall pick in the June draft, played 15 minutes and scored two points.
Super_Ludacris
11-16-2005, 07:46 AM
Pistons are 7-0 Damn they killin it! that game against Boston last night was ill. Chauncey for MVP
Equint77
11-16-2005, 08:25 AM
Phil Jackson is a F***ing pu$$y... he's telling people he didn't wanna take the Knicks job cause he was scared of the NY media.
Grow some F***ing balls you old *****.. can't take any f**king comments without crying about it. This stupid mutherf***er has 9 rings and is still insecure about how he's percieved. There's a reason why I've always hated Phil... going back to the Chicago days. He's always had some smart ass remark about the team, the city and the fans. Now he admits he was scared all along.
This ******** should just shut the F**k up and continue to acknowledge that the reason he took up coaching was because of Red Holtzman.
MutherF**king pu$$y. Glad he stayed in LA.. where he belongs.
Phil Jackson is a F***ing pu$$y... he's telling people he didn't wanna take the Knicks job cause he was scared of the NY media.
Grow some F***ing balls you old *****.. can't take any f**king comments without crying about it. This stupid mutherf***er has 9 rings and is still insecure about how he's percieved. There's a reason why I've always hated Phil... going back to the Chicago days. He's always had some smart ass remark about the team, the city and the fans. Now he admits he was scared all along.
This ******** should just shut the F**k up and continue to acknowledge that the reason he took up coaching was because of Red Holtzman.
MutherF**king pu$$y. Glad he stayed in LA.. where he belongs.
Oh Shut Up:rolleyes: Cuz your knick teams sux again:cool:
Oh Shut Up:rolleyes: Cuz your knick teams sux again:cool:
If the Knicks dont beat the Lakers tonight, i'll mail you a dollar :o
If the Knicks dont beat the Lakers tonight, i'll mail you a dollar :o
I live in Ontario California :cool: Last time someone dare to challange me in a the game, My Beloved Clippers owned the Wiz!!!
Whack Arnolds
11-16-2005, 11:59 AM
LeBron and Larry Hughes beasted the hell out of the Wizards last night. LeBron for mvp.
Whack Arnolds
11-16-2005, 12:13 PM
Phil Jackson kept it real..that's all. He still is one of the top 3 coaches of all time.
Equint77
11-16-2005, 01:17 PM
Phil Jackson kept it real..that's all. He still is one of the top 3 coaches of all time.
he kept it real... real pu$$y. :o
he can't take the heat so he went back to his woman. :mad:
Whack Arnolds
11-16-2005, 01:27 PM
he kept it real... real pu$$y. :o
he can't take the heat so he went back to his woman. :mad:It seems more like you're a little over-sensitive b/c Phil didn't want to coach the Knicks. He has every right and reason to not want to work there. It's his choice. And who wouldn't want to run back to their woman? Especially as fine of a woman that Phil has.
he kept it real... real pu$$y. :o
he can't take the heat so he went back to his woman. :mad:
Majority of coaches would have picked the Laker job than the Knicks:o
Equint77
11-16-2005, 01:35 PM
It seems more like you're a little over-sensitive b/c Phil didn't want to coach the Knicks. He has every right and reason to not want to work there. It's his choice. And who wouldn't want to run back to their woman? Especially as fine of a woman that Phil has.
First off... I've never wanted Phil here.. and this goes back to when they fired Don Nelson back in 1995.. or when they wanted to fire Jeff back in 1999... and I wasn't really interested in him coming over here this summer.
The whole god damn world knows he doesn't wanna coach NY.. but he needs to shut up about Red Holtzman already... and stop using NY as his leverage.. which goes back to his time in Chicago...
You're right though.. it's his choice... he's so sensitive he can't cope with the NY media. Like they're gonna take away his 9 rings or something. :o
Whack Arnolds
11-16-2005, 01:51 PM
He copped with them when he played there. Maybe that just his public excuse.
LeBron and Larry Hughes beasted the hell out of the Wizards last night. LeBron for mvp.
Lebron? yes.
Hughes? SHH needs a laughing icon.
Hughes played absolutely awful almost as bad as Arenas, trust me I watched the whole game, Hughes was shooting under 20 percent I believe with like 13 points until the last 2 minutes when the wizards put the backups in. Then he made a bunch of layups after the game was already won.
Whack Arnolds
11-16-2005, 02:00 PM
Lebron? yes.
Hughes? SHH needs a laughing icon.
Hughes played absolutely awful almost as bad as Arenas, trust me I watched the whole game, Hughes was shooting under 20 percent I believe with like 13 points until the last 2 minutes when the wizards put the backups in. Then he made a bunch of layups after the game was already won.He still dropped like 22.
Yeah he scored 12 points during the first 29 minutes and had like the final 10 in the last 3 against the wizards backups.
I dont know what was wrong with Arenas he missed everything, even his free throws
If the Knicks dont beat the Lakers tonight, i'll mail you a dollar :o
I want my dollar!!! :cool:
Kobe's initials on this KOBy Royce Webb
ESPN.com
It was billed as a heavyweight fight: Larry vs. Phil. The Bench Battle of the Century. Love 'Em and Leave 'Em Larry vs. the Zen Master.
But instead of LB vs. PJ, the real deal was the duel between LB and KB.
And the winner by KO: Kobe Bryant.
As Los Angeles polished off New York 97-92, Kobe was, by the end of the night, everything he strives to be: dominant, self-reliant, spectacular ... and vindicated.
Took a while, though.
For 24 minutes, Larry was living large. Lakers coach Phil Jackson might have been the philosopher king with nine rings on the court, but it was Knicks boss Larry Brown's coaching philosophy that ruled the first half.
At Brown's prodding, the Knicks played what seemed to be a perfect "Pound for Pound" half on the offensive end. They moved the ball with unusual precision and unselfishness, finishing the half with an amazing 18 assists, highlighted by a second-quarter sequence between point guard Stephon Marbury and rookie forward David Lee that went like this: Marbury drives and dishes to Lee, who drives and dishes to Marbury, who makes a move and feeds Lee for a dunk. Three passes, one basket ... and one fine example of playing the Larry way.
And, while dropping those 18 dimes, the Knicks made only six turnovers in the half, solving, for a spell anyway, their usual carelessness with the ball.
Still, somehow, they trailed the Lakers, despite a rather ugly 5-for-18 half by Bryant. The score: 49-47. And that was as close as Kobe let Larry get.
Early in the third quarter, the Mamba (that's his nickname, folks -- just ask him) struck the Knicks with two quick baskets, then two free throws ... and then he got rolling: two FTs, layup, jumper, jumper, layup, two more FTs. When he was done with his 18-point barrage, the Lakers led 76-62.
Kobe loves to take his own temperature, so he started the fourth quarter with two more made jumpers, and then the heat check really went into effect: another (missed) jumper, and then, with the shot clock ticking down, a crazy 28-foot jumper that might have felt good but missed badly.
But wait, there's more: Two made FTs and a runner that hit bottom gave Kobe eight points and eight shot attempts (six FGA, two FGA) before a single other player on the court -- for either team -- scored a point in the quarter.
By this time the score was 86-70, and the game was over with 7:54 remaining.
Kobe's final count: 15-for-36 shooting, 42 points.
In case you didn't get the message, here's Kobe's memo to us all, including Phil and Larry: No matter how tightly coaches try to button down their teams, it's ultimately a players' league (a point Jackson's detractors never tire of making).
For Brown, this was just another school day. Sure, his team is 2-6, but in a way Brown likes that: After all, that's when the challenge is toughest and the teaching matters most. The events of the last six months make it clear he's happier -- if that's the word -- providing remedial instruction to a losing team than presiding over a title contender.
Meanwhile, Jackson, it appears, has hooked his wagon to his star, whether he likes him or not, and as we found out again last night, on any given Wednesday, that's enough to beat a road-weary team that's doubly tired from trying to learn to play the right way.
The Riddler
11-17-2005, 02:43 AM
of course the lakers beat the knicks.
knicks are a sorry excuse for a team.
god i drafted marbury on my fantasy team and he did ***** for me yesterday. at least he had 10 assists. :up:
Equint77
11-17-2005, 08:21 AM
you're all twisted...
you know what I saw last night? The Knicks future... LA had no answer for Frye.. and Lee had 11 rebounds in 24 minutes. Which is why I'm not looking at wins or losses. I knew it was gonna be slow but damn.... everyone is changing their games. JC is controlling his game more and more each game. Steph needs to know when to take over the game.. and right now he's struggling with leading the team the right way.
Not only that but I didn't realize the Knicks lead the league in Opponent FG%. They're 3rd in the league in Opponent PPG and leading the league in rebounding. They're a much better defensive team than you all wanna give them credit for... and as I've said.. the FT% is killing them...
They lost because LA kept getting too many second chance points... as well as making bad turnovers... which is expected when you play your rookies as much as they did last night.
The Knicks are still looking for chemistry offensively which will take time.
Plus.. I love how Phil kept his starters with 3 minutes left up by 13 against the Knicks B team. LA hit their shots... I'll give them credit.
Kipobe
11-17-2005, 09:16 AM
I gotta say, I watch basketball like Equint does. I really hate to say this, but that was NY's game to lose... they could've won it... BUT, LA having the second chances that they did, executed well... as did they when it came to to's (which some were forced... not all of them were bad Knick plays).
Bottomline, I see good things in both team's futures. It's gonna be a while before this is a real heavyweight matchup... but they both look promising. Kobe shouldn't have to go off like that to win a game... he has the team... but no one else can promise anything more than 15... if that.
Odom breaking 12 is a dream, and that's sick. Odom should be putting up 25-12-8 every night.... and occasionaly he should have a breakout game. There's no chance of that happening unless he adapts his game and applies himself to this structure... and I don't even mean the triangle... I mean the NBA. He's useless and unfocused. I'd like to see him traded for someone workable... a good strong p. fwd who can play the low post like a piano.
Either that, or I'd like to see him become like putty in Phil Jackson's hand. Three months from now, he may be everything that he should be.... and of course, no one will recognize the excellent coaching he's recieved... but that's where Phil Jackson shines; making good players, GREAT!
I dunno... we'll see, I guess.
Equint77
11-17-2005, 10:40 AM
I gotta say, I watch basketball like Equint does. I really hate to say this, but that was NY's game to lose... they could've won it... BUT, LA having the second chances that they did, executed well... as did they when it came to to's (which some were forced... not all of them were bad Knick plays).
Bottomline, I see good things in both team's futures. It's gonna be a while before this is a real heavyweight matchup... but they both look promising. Kobe shouldn't have to go off like that to win a game... he has the team... but no one else can promise anything more than 15... if that.
Odom breaking 12 is a dream, and that's sick. Odom should be putting up 25-12-8 every night.... and occasionaly he should have a breakout game. There's no chance of that happening unless he adapts his game and applies himself to this structure... and I don't even mean the triangle... I mean the NBA. He's useless and unfocused. I'd like to see him traded for someone workable... a good strong p. fwd who can play the low post like a piano.
Either that, or I'd like to see him become like putty in Phil Jackson's hand. Three months from now, he may be everything that he should be.... and of course, no one will recognize the excellent coaching he's recieved... but that's where Phil Jackson shines; making good players, GREAT!
I dunno... we'll see, I guess.
You're right Kip... it was NY's game to lose.. the second quarter they looked amazing... they were rebounding, playing solid defense, and executing their offense. The problem is they go through spurts where they can't get into an offensive flow. And that goes with still finding chemistry.
If Phil can turn Kwame into "good".. I'll shut up about him.
Kipobe
11-17-2005, 12:54 PM
KB is gonna be alotta work... but Phil doesn't like to make a bunch of huge trades... he prefers getting all the little pieces in place according to his style and then promoting the key players. I think Smush Parker is so key to this team... he could well become the x-factor just like Robert Horry or Derek Fisher once was (no, I'm not high). Stanislav Medvedenko is gonna need more minutes... but he's a good guy to pull off the bench. Devean George is gonna need to pick up that old Rick Fox role (back when Fox was needed)... and Kobe is gonna have to become the ultimate playmaker, second to only Jordan. Odom is gonna have to learn how to apply skill to the league, and if those are addressed, then there'll be no need to make any major trades... a few good aquisitions would be nice though.
Big Game tonight Lakers vs. Clipper!!! I dont know who to Root For:o
Equint77
11-18-2005, 01:12 PM
I hope the Clips win.....
And someone throws a brick at phil jackson's head.
And someone throws a brick at phil jackson's head.
So Much Hate....:down
Kipobe
11-18-2005, 01:28 PM
I'm going for the Lakers. I'll always pull for the Clips vs other teams (even Miami) but the Lakers are just #1 in my heart.
Edit: or something less gay
The Clips just keep winning!!!:cool: 7-2
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The NBA's balance of power in Los Angeles seems to be shifting.
Led by Elton Brand, the Clippers beat Kobe Bryant and the Lakers 97-91 on Friday night.
Bryant, making some of his off-balance, high-arcing jumpers but missing more often, scored 36 points on 12-of-35 shooting.
The win extended the Clippers' franchise-best start to 7-2 and was their third victory in a row over their city rivals dating to last season.
"The wins keep piling up. It's not about a rivalry," said Brand, who had 23 points, 14 rebounds and five blocks. "If you ask us, we think we're a better team. We have a better record, we're in the same division, and it feels good to get out of here with this one."
Bryant noted the Clippers' improvement.
"They made a lot of big changes this year. Their management team went out there and made some big acquisitions and brought in some very talented players along with the players that have been here," Bryant said. "It is a good team."
Corey Maggette added 21 points, Cuttino Mobley had 20, and Sam Cassell had 17 for the Clippers, who never trailed.
Both Cassell, who turned 36 Friday, and Mobley are newcomers this season.
"Lakers versus Clippers is great for the fans and the community and we just want to keep it going," Maggette said. "We wanted it. It's great to beat the Lakers, so maybe we have some bragging rights."
Lamar Odom had 18 points for the Lakers, who dropped to 4-5.
The Clippers and Lakers split their series 2-2 last season. The Lakers lead the series 78-22 since the Clippers moved to Los Angeles, and 124-42 in all games against the franchise.
The Clippers were ahead 74-65 heading into the fourth quarter, and increased the lead to 78-65 before the Lakers began a comeback that cut it to 87-82 with 2:54 remaining. But they got no closer.
Bryant scored 12 points in the fourth, but 10 of those came on 11 free throws. He was good on only one of his nine field goal tries in the quarter.
"I think we are relying on me way too much and I am taking way too many shots to try to keep us competitive," Bryant said. "We really have to get back to the basics."
The Clippers shot 44 percent to the Lakers' 39 percent.
Bryant scored 13 points for the Lakers in the third, but his teammates totaled only seven points in the period.
The Clippers were up 53-45 at halftime after leading 27-21 at the end of the opening period.
Although they never led, the Lakers pulled even four times in the first half, the last at 43 on Bryant's drive and free throw 4:03 before halftime.
Brand hit a 14-footer to put the Clippers back in front, and they went on to open an eight-point lead over the closing four minutes of the half.
Game notes
Lakers F Kwame Brown left in the third quarter with a right hamstring strain. He had two points and eight rebounds. ... The game drew a sellout crowd of 18,997 to Staples Center, where both teams play, but it was the Lakers' home game. ... Lakers C Chris Mihm has been playing on a sore left ankle, but didn't appear to be slowed much. He had 12 points and nine rebounds. ... The Clippers last won a season series against the Lakers in 1992-93, and had done it just once before that, in 1974-75.
I thinks its safe to say that Elton Brand is a Legit Superstar!!! Hell he's my vote for MVP so far!!!:cool:
Equint77
11-21-2005, 01:59 PM
the clips are doing really good... I hope they keep it up... they've got a solid team.
On a side note.. I'm glad Chicago beat LA yesterday.
the clips are doing really good... I hope they keep it up... they've got a solid team.
On a side note.. I'm glad Chicago beat LA yesterday.
Why cant both L.A. Teams do well in the same season:o
Whack Arnolds
11-21-2005, 02:06 PM
And someone throws a brick at phil jackson's head.Bitter... lol
Come one now Equint. Man has 10 championship rings, and a hot wife. Show some respect. lol
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