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Bitter... lol
Come one now Equint. Man has 10 championship rings, and a hot wife. Show some respect. lol
Phil Jackson a Pimp!!! How many of you can say that your dating a Billionaire!!! http://www.southcn.com/sports/star2/jackson/gallery/200311060420_468852.JPG
2005-06 Power Rankings: Week 3
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Pistons 8-1 Every team has two or three games per season like Saturday's in Dallas. You can stomach it a little easier when you show up for that nightmare undefeated.
2 (2) Spurs 8-2 Finley is back from injury; Ginobili is apparently healing; and Spurs' Saturday hex is over. But there's no change at the top because Pistons get same one-loss grace period Spurs got.
3 (6) Mavericks 7-2 After spanking Spurs and Pistons, Mavs are up here on merit. Not because a procession of locals, including Sam The Locker-Room Attendant, hunted me down Saturday night to lobby for a top-three slot.
4 (7) Clippers 8-2 There's no shortage of skeptics saying this can't last, and maybe they're right. Or maybe this is the playoff year Mr. Brand, one of the good guys, has long deserved.
5 (10) Cavaliers 8-2 Cavs haven't lost a home game. They've won three in a row on the road. In other words, an LBJ squad is finally living up to the hype.
6 (12) Grizzlies 7-4 Grizz need only one more win this month to set a franchise record for November victories. So, yes, addition by subtraction is working so far.
7 (5) Pacers 6-3 I know I said even the best teams have a few nightmares every season, but you still struggle to fathom how a team this talented could lose by 32 at Charlotte. Only the struggles of other top-10 regulars prevented steeper punishment.
8 (3) Wizards 5-4 You know by now that we dispute the existence of a Power Rankings jinx. Wiz fans, though, will be pardoned for their jinx e-mails after being forced to toast their historic rise to No. 3 with three straight road defeats.
9 (4) Bucks 5-3 With two lopsided losses sandwiched around a nice win at GS, Bucks need to beat a beat-up Utah in the trip's finale to add credence to their promising start.
10 (13) 76ers 6-5 With Iverson in MVP form and Webber looking worlds more comfortable beside him -- and a second AI playing sticky D -- that 0-3 start seems like forever ago.
11 (14) Nuggets 6-5 Stat we didn't see coming: Nuggets are 4-0 this season when K-Mart sits, after going 10-2 without him last season. With K-Mart? Just 41-36 overall.
12 (11) Warriors 6-5 Baron alluded to it in our discussion in the weekend Dime: Warriors have a rough November with 17 games. The good news? Of the six left, five are at home.
13 (9) Heat 6-4 Heat's 5-3 record sans Shaq ain't bad. Heat's crunch-time collapse Sunday in Toronto was criminal, Shaq or no Shaq.
14 (8) Suns 4-5 When will the darkness lift? The brightest spot in a bleak start -- Barbosa -- is suddenly out 2-3 weeks with a knee sprain suffered in a narrow loss to Spurs.
15 (17) Nets 5-4 Vince has been held under 20 in four straight games. J-Kidd has topped six assists only four times. Not stuff you want to hear entering a five-game trip out West.
16 (20) Timberwolves 5-4 It's been a decent start, but it's also pretty clear already that (A) McHale has lots to do to win back KG's support and (B) KG trade speculation is going to be a constant.
17 (26) SuperSonics 5-5 Well, well, well. Sonics suddenly have won four out of five and have a chance to really hush the doomsday talk with nine of the next 11 games at home.
18 (18) Celtics 4-5 If Celts can regularly reproduce the ball they've played against Detroit, maybe these guys (and kids) will be able to hang around for a while in the Titanic, er, Atlantic.
19 (23) Hornets 4-5 Tough as it is to imagine Hornets finding a way back to New Orleans, they've made it back to pesky faster than anyone expected, thanks to Paul's smooth transition.
20 (15) Bulls 4-5 Happy Thanksgiving, indeed. Bulls finally won one on their annual ''circus'' road trip -- to improve to 2-41 on these jaunts since 1999 -- and get a holiday break back home before finishing the six-game swing in Texas over the weekend.
21 (25) Kings 4-6 Just a hunch, but offense still might be the key for new-look Kings. They averaged only 86.0 ppg in their first five losses, and 110.3 ppg in four wins, before falling Sunday in a 106-104 heartbreaker at Seattle.
22 (22) Rockets 3-7 Rockets know they can recover because they overturned a 6-11 start last season. Of course, T-Mac wasn't ailing then like he is now.
23 (19) Lakers 4-6 Reality is starting to set in for Kobe and Phil. Kwame's out at least two weeks, and Smush is averaging just 8.0 ppg over the past six on 31.5 percent shooting.
24 (21) Magic 3-6 It won't make a 1-4 home record any more comforting, but Magic have to be encouraged by Howard's progress (15.7 ppg, 12.7 rpg). Especially with the other stars from his draft class (Okafor and Gordon) finding Year 2 tougher.
25 (27) Knicks 3-7 Larry and Steph need to hush. They've both done way too much complaining for guys who knew exactly what they were getting into. And 3-7, frankly, looks OK after 0-5..
26 (24) Trail Blazers 3-5 Microfracture patient Randolph has posted six double-doubles in Portland's first eight games. Which might mean as much to Phoenix (and Amare) as it does to Blazers.
27 (28) Bobcats 3-8 How unlikely was the 30-something humiliation of Indy? In just the 91st game in Bobcats history? Bear in mind that Grizz needed two home cities (two home countries, for that matter) and more than 600 games before they beat someone by 30.
28 (16) Jazz 4-7 Sloan had never endured a season in Utah like last season ... and, unbelievably, this season is shaping up to be a similar story. Outlook has changed drastically with Boozer (hamstring) and Kirilenko (ankle) possibly out a month (or more) each.
29 (30) Raptors 1-9 Raps owed the committee something special after sending our beloved Pape to the NBDL. All credit to them, though, because beating Miami qualifies.
30 (29) Hawks 0-9 Joe Johnson goes back to the desert Dec. 4. If Hawks don't win one between now and then -- including a Dec. 2 home date with Raps -- they'll take an 0-15 record to PHX.
Equint77
11-21-2005, 02:24 PM
Bitter... lol
Come one now Equint. Man has 10 championship rings, and a hot wife. Show some respect. lol
ah... he'll never get my respect. He's won but that doesn't mean I have to respect him or his accomplishments.
Someone set the son of a ****** on fire already and call it a day. :o
Will the Knicks make a trade before New Years Day? I bet we get rid of Jerome James :o
Forget the Lakers till the make an statement telling Shaq how wrong they were for pretty much f***ing him in the ass and picking Kobe over him I will never support them again.
:up:
Will the Knicks make a trade before New Years Day? I bet we get rid of Jerome James :o
Well Garnett is almost on the trade block so:o
Equint77
11-21-2005, 02:30 PM
Will the Knicks make a trade before New Years Day? I bet we get rid of Jerome James :o
they can ship him to Atlanta. They need a center after Collier died... and 5 million for a center (even as useless as JJ is) isn't exactly a bank breaker.
I'd love to have Al Harrington on the knicks :), we can sen Malik and Jerome, that should work and Channing has been playing very well so Jerome really has no role here :/
Equint77
11-21-2005, 02:33 PM
they can always ship Penny to ATL for AL... it would give the hawks more cap space.. which is what they would want.
I'd do that deal in a second :up:
It seems like every year thats a major trade with the knicks:o
Equint77
11-21-2005, 02:45 PM
well NY does have expiring contracts... and I read that the Hawks were looking to ship Al.
it's possible but to be honest..with Q and Ariza... there's no need for another SF....
If they can ship Rose and with AD's contract up at the end of the year... they can slide Al to PF.. maybe.
Im surprised the knicks fans havent mentioned a garnett trade to NY:rolleyes: Seems like the only team that the knicks have yet to do business with :D
Equint77
11-21-2005, 02:58 PM
I read the Garnett rumors......
until this is fact... I'll leave it alone.
I read the Garnett rumors......
until this is fact... I'll leave it alone.
But u know the knicks fans with there grandeur delusions:o
I read the Garnett rumors......
until this is fact... I'll leave it alone.
My Brother met KG in a tattoo parlor about a block form where I live it was when Sealy died :(, if the Knicks and Minny do a trade it'll be for Szczerbiak, as much as i would LOVE it KG aint comin' here :(
Equint77
11-21-2005, 03:08 PM
But u know the knicks fans with there grandeur delusions:o
yeah last year we were all talking about Bill Russell coming back to play center for us. :o
Or how Wilt came back from the dead to play for NY.
Equint77
11-21-2005, 03:09 PM
My Brother met KG in a tattoo parlor about a block form where I live it was when Sealy died :(, if the Knicks and Minny do a trade it'll be for Szczerbiak, as much as i would LOVE it KG aint comin' here :(
actually the rumor has it Steph for KG.. their salaries match up...
if KG forced them to.. it could happen... who knows... I don't want any more trades period... unless it's Lebron.
yeah last year we were all talking about Bill Russell coming back to play center for us. :o
Or how Wilt came back from the dead to play for NY.
Lets not forget the JBJ trade....Or the Shaq trade...Or the Chris Webber Trade...its only a matter of time until someone likes Peter Vecey says Garnett wants to be traded to the knicks:o
actually the rumor has it Steph for KG.. their salaries match up...
if KG forced them to.. it could happen... who knows... I don't want any more trades period... unless it's Lebron.
Lebron would be a dream, Steph for KG? If I'm Isiah that happens as soon as possible, We can have JC run the point, I like they way he's developing under LB :). Still KG or King James is a pipe dream for now.
Does anyone in the thread post at www.prosportsdaily.com ?
Equint77
11-21-2005, 03:15 PM
Lets not forget the JBJ trade....Or the Shaq trade...Or the Chris Webber Trade...its only a matter of time until someone likes Peter Vecey says Garnett wants to be traded to the knicks:o
LOL... what does Peter Vescey have to do with the fans? He's reporting it... and the rest of the media feed off of it.
Yeah... we've been down this road...
After Magic Johnson made his comeback.. he said he wanted to go to NY to help Patrick win his title back in 1996.
So did Karl Malone in 1998... Jordan toyed with going to NY back in 1997.
They write it and it's fun to talk about it... I'm sure if these rumors popped up about your teams.. you'd all be talking about them.
Personally.... I never believe any of them... all they do is insight false hope. :(
We were supposed to get Vince Carter too :o :(
Equint77
11-21-2005, 03:17 PM
yeah I know... and he actually stated he wanted to come here. :(
I just find that hilarious! :D Majority of NBA players would love to play with the knicks yet they dont play there. Ironic.
Equint77
11-21-2005, 03:21 PM
Cap reasons.. teams being a$$holes... offers get changed.
Sheed wanted to come here before Atlanta did Detriot a favor and gave him up.
Equint77
11-22-2005, 09:08 AM
ok... I sorta read the rumors for KG.. and initially I wasn't sure I wanted it because Marbury's name was thrown in... but I read a new rumor that would have Minny getting Penny and AD's expiring contracts for KG and Wally...
If that somehow works out.... holy christ... a starting line up of Curry, KG, Q, JC, Steph
With Wally, Frye, Lee, Nate, Mo Taylor Ariza coming off the bench.
I don't wanna think about it too much but damn....
Poeman
11-27-2005, 03:21 PM
stop giving me false hope
garnet yea right.. in my wet dreams :(
Unthinkable
11-27-2005, 03:54 PM
More imporantly, the KG rumors of him going to Detroit for Sheed, Darko, and someone else... If that happens, give us the rings now. Its over.
2005-06 Power Rankings: Week 4
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Pistons 10-2 By the standards of their start, Pistons should have swept the week. That said, they still beat two teams (Nuggets, Bucks) in pretty good form and still belong up here.
2 (3) Mavericks 9-3 As deep as they are, even Mavs are going to be hurting if Howard and Stack are unavailable. Staying up here, then, obviously becomes even more of a challenge.
3 (2) Spurs 10-3 Never thought I'd see these Spurs, after a pretty focused start, losing at home to Chicago or dropping this low. Not without a catastrophic injury.
4 (6) Grizzlies 9-5 OK, granted, No. 4 might be tough to justify. But this has become the toughest slot to fill each week, thanks to the struggles of various would-be elite teams, and Grizz just went to Dallas and won by 20 without two regulars (Miller and Cardinal).
5 (7) Pacers 8-4 Artest's absence almost makes the Atlanta loss understandable. Almost. Routing Cavs and a road win over Clips couldn't hush the ongoing maturity debate in Indy.
6 (11) Nuggets 8-6 Furious George, remember, told us two weeks ago that ''we're not that far away from being a good team.'' This subsequent 5-1 run is more like it ... as long as Camby, fresh off receiving our praise, was really out for only one game.
7 (4) Clippers 9-4 Dunleavy himself warned Clips not to get carried away, noting their comfy schedule so far. In other words, No. 4 might have been a touch too high.
8 (14) Suns 7-5 When they needed it most, Suns presented with three foes in worse funks than theirs: Raps, Rockets and Nets. It looks like they've restored a bit of confidence.
9 (5) Cavaliers 9-4 LBJ scoring 30-plus is becoming routine -- seven times already -- but the real key might be Hughes' passing. When Larry leads them in assists, Cavs are 6-0.
10 (12) Warriors 9-6 Only four teams thus far have managed to avoid losing two games in a row. And Warriors are one of them, joining Pistons, Mavs and Spurs.
11 (16) Timberwolves 7-5 Let's see if winning in Cleveland gets Wolves going, because they were 0-4 on the road before that breakthrough and play four of the next five away.
12 (8) Wizards 6-7 After spanking Spurs and thinking they've arrived, Wiz lost five straight. Then Wiz got routed by Charlotte after winning at Detroit, making me wonder if they've learned yet that the season isn't over after you've beaten a powerhouse.
13 (9) Bucks 6-6 Heartwarming as Ford's comeback is, all the glowing coverage he's getting doesn't mean Bucks can get away with the defense they've been playing. Only four teams are giving up more than Milwaukee's 99.7 ppg allowed.
14 (10) 76ers 7-7 Eighty-five Iverson points in Sixers' last two games netted zero victories. It's no mystery why, either: Philly's porous D, which doesn't seem to be getting any better, surrendered 213 points in the two defeats.
15 (20) Bulls 6-5 Team O' The Week, for sure. Bulls not only stunned Spurs in SA; they also turned an 0-3 start into a more-than-respectable 3-3 finish on the dreaded ''circus'' trip.
16 (13) Heat 7-6 The one thing I liked about Miami's roster composition is the idea that all these big names could carry Heat through Shaq's absence. But even that's not happening now.
17 (19) Hornets 6-6 Maybe these Hornets are even more than pesky. If ROY favorite Paul keeps getting this much help from David West, it's not impossible.
18 (24) Magic 6-6 Brian Hill's Princeton offense hasn't quite been embraced, but the consolation for the new coach is three straight Ws and the NBA's stingiest defense (88.5 ppg allowed).
19 (21) Kings 6-7 Peja has missed a few games and no King is collecting more rebounds than Bonzi's 8.5 per game, but there is some good news amid the tension: Bibby, at 25 ppg in his past six outings, is starting to warm up.
20 (15) Nets 6-7 Our buddy Sanford, ace ESPN researcher and World's Biggest Nets Fan, says the biggest problem is actually the new play-by-play guy. He concedes that Marv is a legend, but Sanford says no one can replace ''a true Net'' like Ian Eagle.
21 (28) Jazz 6-8 I'd like to think that last week's steep demotion was just the spark injury-hit Utah needed. I suppose, however, that Kirilenko's earlier-than-expected return this week will probably have a bigger impact.
22 (18) Celtics 5-7 The math is a bit gruesome, as our man Peter May wrote Sunday. Celts' five wins have come against teams with a combined record of 22-46. They're also 0-4 on the road and 0-6 in both ends of their three back-to-backs sets.
23 (26) Trail Blazers 5-7 The whole Patterson flap dredges up tiresome images of chaos, but sitting at 2-3 on a seven-game trip ain't bad for a team still waiting for its first 100-point night.
24 (27) Bobcats 5-9 Bobcats have had nine different leading scorers in 13 games, but there's no question Wallace's surprising start (18.5 ppg, .576 shooting, 2.63 spg) is the highlight so far.
25 (23) Lakers 5-7 Sunday night's thriller vs. Nets aside, Lakers have been hard on the eyes. Kobe needs 29 shots a game to average 34.1 ppg, and no other Laker averages 15 ppg.
26 (17) SuperSonics 5-8 This wasn't as bad as the week Supes lost three straight roadies by a combined 93 points. But with three more Ls and Rashard talking about free agency, it was close.
27 (25) Knicks 4-8 We interrupt our regularly scheduled Larry vs. Steph update to point out a slightly more upbeat development: In spite of Larry's legendary reluctance to play rookies, Frye has scored at least 20 points in four of his past five games.
28 (30) Hawks 2-10 Can't explain how the last winless team suddenly wins two in a row. Also can't explain why the Boston win, Hawks' 10th game, was their first game against an East foe.
29 (22) Rockets 3-11 Problems, indeed. T-Mac's out, Houston hasn't won a home game since Opening Night, no one has a longer losing streak (seven) and only Toronto has more losses.
30 (29) Raptors 1-13 I'm guessing none of my Canadian friends will be terribly surprised to read here about Pape Sow's 40 -- yes, FORTY -- points in an NBDL game Sunday. I'm guessing some Raps fans out there won't even mind.
Cudzo
11-28-2005, 05:16 PM
More imporantly, the KG rumors of him going to Detroit for Sheed, Darko, and someone else... If that happens, give us the rings now. Its over.
first of all... let me take a moment to bask in the greatnesss in being in a basketball forum again ..... basking... basking...... aaaaahhhh..
okay, as much as it would intrigue me, i really don't think that would happen, at least not the way things are right now. Both Joe Dumars and Kevin Mchale have baboshed that rumor, so i have doubts that would happen. Plus i think it would take something bad for Joe to breakup the Pistons starting 5. As much as having Garnette would seem nice, we don't know how that would affect the chemistry.
But what we do know is how it would affect the salery cap. Garnette has a gargantuan contract, that frankly inhibbits getting and keeping good tallent. The pistons Pride them selves on having very well managed contracts.
Now, if at the end of the season goin into the playoffs, the Pistons somehow see themselves blown out in an early round, then maybe all bets are off, but unless something like that happens, don't bet on any Garnette to Detroit happening.
2005-06 Power Rankings: Week 5
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Pistons 13-2 Remember last week when we wrote that Pistons rated the first 18 games to be the toughest portion of their schedule? If they're right, then everyone else in the East can only hope that they start getting bored.
2 (3) Spurs 13-3 Manu, in Pop's words, was ''just starting to play great.'' But they're better off bringing him back slowly, because Spurs have the depth to do so now ... and because they have to have a healthy Manu in the springtime.
3 (4) Grizzlies 12-5 No one seems to think they can stay up here. Of course, if Grizz keep holding foes to 85.5 points per game -- easily tops in the league -- we might have to reevaluate.
4 (2) Mavericks 11-5 If teams weren't focusing on him already, this will do it: Nowitzki is averaging 27.8 ppg in Mavs' 11 victories and just 17.8 ppg in the five losses.
5 (5) Pacers 10-6 After an impressive, business-like start to their long road trip, Pacers no-showed at Phoenix and finished ragged at Seattle. The good news? Foster is finally back.
6 (7) Clippers 11-5 Clips haven't reached double figures in victories this fast since 1977-78, when the franchise broke my heart by making that the final season in Buffalo. I moved to SoCal with 'em, but the relationship ended at the Aud.
7 (8) Suns 10-5 The schedule has been undeniably kind lately, but Suns aren't getting enough credit for their recent stingy D (a mere 90.5 ppg allowed in this 7-1 stretch) and the help Nash and Matrix are getting from a slew of newcomers.
8 (13) Bucks 9-6 Folks have been excited about Bucks' depth ever since the Magloire deal, but the focus was on the frontcourt. They seem even deeper than expected now that Mo Williams keeps tossing in game-winners.
9 (10) Warriors 12-6 The level of competition, granted, hasn't been the toughest. And they do shoot way too many 3s. Warriors, though, absolutely had to start well to maintain the momentum from last season's finish. Credit them for doing so.
10 (11) Timberwolves 9-6 Wolves are quietly building some confidence and swear they should be more than three games over .500. Maybe they're right, given the close nature of several losses -- back-to-back roadies in OT early and a rough loss in OKC, for instance.
11 (9) Cavaliers 10-6 Ten wins in November tied a franchise record, but it'd be easier to get excited about Cavs' start if they weren't mandhandled by Spurs, Pacers and Clips, too.
12 (16) Heat 10-7 Maybe it's just me, Heat faithful. But even with Shaq out, I expect more than three road wins so far. Before this week, Miami hadn't won away since Opening Night.
13 (6) Nuggets 9-9 Nuggets have more losses through 18 games than Furious George suffered in 40 games last season. And, yes, even the four losses under poor Scotty Brooks -- the only UC Irvine guy I've ever been able to tolerate -- do count on Karl's record.
14 (15) Bulls 8-7 It hasn't hurt them badly yet, but Bulls are shooting seven fewer free throws per game than the opposition. We bring it up, though, because chances are it'll be hard to keep winning that way.
15 (17) Hornets 8-8 Hornets have already matched last December's win total, at 1-1 this month compared to 1-14 in December 2004. Plus they've already been over .500 twice this season -- 1-0 and 8-7 -- which never happened last season.
16 (12) Wizards 7-8 Wiz have already blown their gift opportunity to gain some early Southeast ground on Shaq-less Miami. And they know it. ''Hopefully this will be our worst month of the season,'' Coach Jordan said of a 7-7 November.
17 (26) SuperSonics 8-8 Supes gave up a lot of points in the process, as always, but back-to-back wins against visitors from the mighty Central Division (Cavs and Pacers) represent the first glimpse of last season's Sonics.
18 (14) 76ers 8-10 Only once in this 2-7 skid has Iverson been held under 30 points. Strangely, though, it happened in one of the two games Philly won.
19 (18) Magic 7-9 Not exactly a news flash: Take Francis away from a team already without Grant Hill and Magic probably won't win much no matter what their manchild D-Howard does.
20 (19) Kings 7-10 The story is unchanged in Sacto. When Kings score, they win: 110.1 ppg in seven victories. In the 10 losses? Just 89.7 ppg.
21 (22) Celtics 7-9 Celts have tortured my man Simmons with that 6-8 showing in November, especially with 10 of those 14 games at home. But here's, well, something: Boston is 4-0 against fellow Titanic Division opposition.
22 (21) Jazz 7-10 Can't decide what's more shocking: Utah getting jobbed on a late call at home ... or Utah, even with all the injuries, sporting a 2-6 record at the Delta Center.
23 (20) Nets 7-9 Best thing you can say about Jersey is that Houston still has a longer list of problems. Otherwise Nets would be the league's most disappointing team.
24 (25) Lakers 7-9 Weird week. Lakers blew a game they should have won (vs. Minny) and stole two they should have lost (at Utah, vs. Charlotte). L.A.'s next six games, meanwhile, are all roadies, which makes me think Kobe isn't going to stop shooting.
25 (29) Rockets 4-12 Rockets are only 4-4 when T-Mac plays, but there's no disputing what he does for his center. Yao is shooting 60.4 percent from the field when T-Mac is out there and a disconcerting 40.6 percent when he's not.
26 (27) Knicks 5-11 Larry probably deserves a grace period that lasts longer than a month. By week's end, Knicks will have played just six of 20 games at home.
27 (23) Trail Blazers 5-11 Dare we say it's time for NBA TV to stop running that commercial in which Patterson and Nate are joking around in practice. That has to be training camp footage.
28 (24) Bobcats 5-13 No team in the league has played more road games than Charlotte's 11. And no team, sadly, has fewer road wins than Bobcats' one.
29 (30) Raptors 3-15 Had they held a late lead vs. Dallas, Raps might have been Team O' The Week. But Raps did go from a five-win pace to a 14-win pace by winning at Hawks and Nets.
30 (29) Hawks 2-14 If there's any short-term silver lining for Joe Johnson, it's this: At least he got the Phoenix game out of the way early. Imagine how uncomfortable it would have been going back in January or February with a much uglier record than 2-13.
I thought this was an intersting article about the Joe Johnson trade:
Three years from now, who will be the best player in the notorious Joe Johnson trade? Will it be Johnson, who will have developed his fine talents in the obscurity of Atlanta? Will it be one of the two first-round draft picks -- lottery picks, no doubt -- the Suns received from the Hawks? Or will it be Boris Diaw, the player the Hawks handed the Suns to seal the deal?
The surprising answer is becoming clearer during every Suns game. As Diaw, the drive-and-dish specialist with the Mensa-level basketball I.Q., continues to grow in confidence, he is showing a very rare set of skills that have us searching for the right comparison.
Or, to put it another way: Maybe it's just me, but if I'm running the worst team in basketball, I don't give away an athletic, 23-year-old, 6-8 guy who can do a reasonable impersonation of Magic Johnson.
Is Boris Diaw really another Magic? Of course not. Not yet, anyway.
For one thing, there is no one else like Magic Johnson. For another, Magic had the ball in his hands all the time, as the point guard for one of the greatest teams ever. And, perhaps most significant, Diaw's personality is passive and Kareem-style cool, whereas Magic was an effervescent leader who had the same effect on the staid Lakers of the late '70s that Steve Nash did on the Suns in 2004-05.
But, then again, how many guys can even be in the sentence with Magic?
In Atlanta, Diaw had a big problem. He could get into the lane at will, but he wouldn't or couldn't finish at the basket -- he preferred to look for a teammate on almost every drive. He had, as John Hollinger noted, an "inability to score," largely because he was "almost comically unselfish."
The Hawks, as dumb teams do, focused on what he couldn't do. The Suns, as smart teams do, saw what he could do.
So, in a genius move that probably only Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni would try, they took the point guard and made him a center. (This is where the Magic comparisons start to make a little more sense, if you recall Magic playing the post in the 1980 Finals or during his 1996 comeback.)
Diaw's got some work to do to reach his peak. His shot is flat, which costs him a potential weapon in the Suns' run-and-gun offense.
Also, he needs to finish stronger. He can drive past almost anyone, with his long, smooth strides. (It's not his first step that gets you, it's his third, when he turns the corner and swoops in for a layup or draws the help defender and makes the dish.) But he tends to still look to pass or flip the ball up instead of dunking it when he approaches the rim.
Sunday night, the Suns started to see signs that he's getting it, and fast. He tried a power slam on a drive in the first quarter, drawing a foul. In the second quarter, he followed a Suns miss with an Amare-like one-hand rebound jam, and in the third, he rolled to the basket for a convincing two-hand throwdown. If that's what Diaw's finishes of the future look like, watch out.
Because otherwise he's got the total game. He guards power forwards and centers routinely, shutting down the 'Sheeds and Yaos of the world. He grabs boards and starts the break (though, unlike Magic, he doesn't often lead the break, given that the Suns have Nash). And he has eyes on all sides of his head and the imagination and passing touch to match.
On Sunday, in his return to Phoenix, Joe Johnson played a very respectable game (23 points on 9-for-16 shooting, with an assist and two rebounds), especially considering the boos from the stands and the utter lack of help on the floor from the hapless Hawks. It certainly wasn't his fault the Hawks were blown out, trailing by 36 on the way to a 112-94 loss.
But it was Diaw's nifty play and the efficiency of his stat line -- 5-for-6 FGs, 4-for-5 FTs, nine assists, four boards, four blocks -- that bring us back to the original question: Which team got the best player in the trade?
Super_Ludacris
12-05-2005, 02:22 PM
I thought it was hilarious when Shaq was sitting courtside during the Lakers-Bobcats game last night
I thought it was hilarious when Shaq was sitting courtside during the Lakers-Bobcats game last night
HAHAHAHAHAHA :up: I didnt know that :D
Here's the top rookies so far:
1. CHRIS PAUL, G, NEW ORLEANS/OKLAHOMA CITY
16.9 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 6.8 APG, 2.06 SPG
Last week: 1
Sixteen games into the 2005-06 season, the Hornets have almost half as many victories as they did all of last season. Chris Paul leads the team in points, assists and steals, and he grabbing 5.6 boards per game when he's usually the smallest guy on the court. If you haven't had a chance to see him play yet, get some tickets for when the Hornets are in your town or order yourself League Pass. You won't be disappointed.
2. CHANNING FRYE, C, NEW YORK
15.4 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 0.80 BPG, .511 FG%
Last week: 2
We're still waiting for Channing Frye to have a bad game. We thought it might come against the formidable Detroit frontline, but he put up 21, getting to the line ten times against the Pistons.
3. DERON WILLIAMS, G, UTAH
13.4 PPG, 4.7 APG, .397 3PT
Last week: 3
Deron Williams played solidly in losses to the Pacers and Lakers this week, but he struggled in a win at Portland on Sunday, enough that Jerry Sloan had him on the bench for the entire fourth quarter.
4. CHARLIE VILLANUEVA, F, TORONTO
12.1 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 0.78 BPG
Last week: 4
Charlie Villanueva scored the game-winning basket Friday night in Atlanta and played solidly in New Jersey the next night as the Raptors won two straight. From what I can tell, Raptor fans are still waiting for apologies from certain writers and television personalities.
5. SARUNAS JASIKEVICIOUS, G, INDIANA
9.6 PPG, 2.5 APG, .517 FG%, .510 3PT, .935 FT%
Last week: 8
With Jamaal Tinsley out, Sarunas Jasikevicious started the last two games for the Pacers. On Sunday, he scored 16 points, hitting 4-of-5 from downtown while grabbing seven boards and dishing out nine assists. Take your time getting back, Jamaal.
6. JOSÉ CALDERÓN, G, TORONTO
6.6 PPG, 6.1 APG, 3.44 AST/TO
Last week: 10
José Calderón shot the ball much better this week, he had the game-winning assist to Villanueva in Atlanta and he made some key plays down the stretch in New Jersey. He has started the last four games for the Raptors.
7. SALIM STOUDAMIRE, G, ATLANTA
11.1 PPG, 1.6 APG, .426 3PT
Last week: 5
Salim Stoudamire had his first bad shooting week of the season, .375 from the field, including just 4-of-12 from downtown.
8. ANDREW BOGUT, C, MILWAUKEE
7.8 PPG, 7.8 RPG, .485 FG%
Last week: 7
Andrew Bogut preserved the Bucks' two-point overtime win on Tuesday by blocking Jason Terry's shot as time expired. Oh yeah, he put up 19 and 14 in that game.
9. LUTHER HEAD, G, HOUSTON
9.9 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 2.3 APG, .459 3PT
Last week: 6
Luther Head, who had replaced an injured Tracy McGrady in the starting lineup last week, was still a starter when McGrady came back this week. Head's shooting has cooled off a bit.
10. SEAN MAY, F, CHARLOTTE
8.7 PPG, 5.1 RPG
Last week: 9
Sean May is still recovering from offseason knee surgery and he sat out a couple of games with lingering soreness.
NOTEWORTHY
Travis Diener (ORL) made the most of his chance to play in his hometown of Milwaukee Saturday night. Diener made five of his six shots, including 4-of-4 from downtown, scoring 14 points in a loss to the Bucks.
Jarrett Jack (POR) had a nice game in a loss to the Pacers on Friday, shooting 6-for-7 from the field for 15 points.
With more injuries to the Denver frontline, Linas Kleiza (DEN) got a start Wednesday against the Hornets. Kleiza could be a real solid contributor in the future for the Nuggets.
Nate Robinson (NYK) started two games for the Knicks this week. It looks like Larry Brown is giving him a chance. He and Joey Graham (TOR) are both on the outside of the Top 10 looking in, but can get there with a little more consistency.
Marvin Williams (ATL) has maybe been the most inconsistent rookie so far this season, but he recorded career highs in points and rebounds on Sunday with 17 and 11 in Phoenix.
The two top picks are each blogging on their teams' sites: Marvin Williams diary | Andrew Bogut journal
Close game against the knicks and clips with the clips winning! :cool: Brand For MVP!!! :mad:
Equint77
12-08-2005, 08:47 AM
Larry Brown should just wake up and put Channing in the starting line up with Curry. Doesn't he realize their games compliment each other? You can't double team either one and opens up the floor for Nate, Steph and JC.
I cant believe we lost that game last night. :mad:
Channing needs to start everygame now (Rookie of the year dammit!)
I think last night was LB's shortest rotation of the season
Equint77
12-08-2005, 08:57 AM
I agree.. Channing should start every game... his numbers for a rookie are amazing... 15 points a game, 50% FG, 85% FT. Over 5 rebounds.
Yep and the more he plays the better he gets.
Curry, Frye, Q, JC, Steph that would be my starting five.
Man you gotta feel bad for Q this is the second brother he's lost, both died from gun shots :(
Equint77
12-08-2005, 09:07 AM
The thing about this team is I know they're young but I'm loving how better and better Nate gets. Now all we need to do is get David Lee to play more consistantly.
yeah I know... I wish Q the best.... I was shocked when I heard about it. It's sad both his brothers were murdered.
Larry Brown should just wake up and put Channing in the starting line up with Curry. Doesn't he realize their games compliment each other? You can't double team either one and opens up the floor for Nate, Steph and JC.
Yes, because your obviously a better coach than Larry Brown :down
Equint77
12-08-2005, 01:42 PM
Yes, because your obviously a better coach than Larry Brown :down
I know one thing.. I would shorten the rotation..
NOT START PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN IN THE CITY THE PLAY IN...
That's STUPID...
And start Channing Frye... he's proven himself.
I know one thing.. I would shorten the rotation..
NOT START PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN IN THE CITY THE PLAY IN...
That's STUPID...
And start Channing Frye... he's proven himself.
I've only seen Frye from last night and nothing impressed me from what I've seen.
Equint77
12-08-2005, 01:45 PM
I've only seen Frye from last night and nothing impressed me from what I've seen.
LOL.. one game.. the NBA named him rookie of the month... they must be wrong too.
LOL.. one game.. the NBA named him rookie of the month... they must be wrong too.
IMO Chris Paul is going to be Rookie of the year!!! The big difference his team is actually winning!!! :cool:
Equint77
12-08-2005, 01:55 PM
IMO Chris Paul is going to be Rookie of the year!!! The big difference his team is actually winning!!! :cool:
were you always this mouthy when the clippers were hovering at the bottom? I forgot.. your team is one of the standard franchises in the league.
My fault.
were you always this mouthy when the clippers were hovering at the bottom? I forgot.. your team is one of the standard franchises in the league.
My fault.
Well I am a Laker fan as well and one of those 2 franchises has always been on top of the League! :cool: BTW here's a summary of the game:
Knicks drop to 0-7 vs. Clips at Staples Center
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The Los Angeles Clippers turned up the defense in the fourth quarter and kept the New York Knicks 0-for-Staples Center against them.
Elton Brand had 24 points and 11 rebounds, Cuttino Mobley scored eight of his 24 points in the final 2 minutes and the Clippers beat the Knicks 84-79 on Wednesday night.
Eddy Curry had 24 points and 11 rebounds for the Knicks, who led 50-39 at halftime. They have lost all seven games they have played against the Clippers in their current home, after winning their final five visits to the L.A. Sports Arena. Five of New York's 12 losses this season have been by five points or less.
Sam Cassell added 16 points and 11 assists for the Clippers, who lead the Pacific Division with a 13-5 record.
"That team is playing great, and I don't think it's a fluke," Knicks coach Larry Brown said. "I reminded our guys during our shootaround that this is not the Clippers that we remembered from the past. They're a much different club, and they want to win. And they've got a great opportunity, because the Lakers aren't as dominating as they were.
"This is a great building to play in, and there's a lot of Clipper fans. So I think it's a good thing for the league."
The Knicks shot 36.5 percent for the game and did not make a field goal over the final 3:40. They used their 12th different starting lineup -- four more than all last season.
Stephon Marbury, the only player to start all 18 games for New York, had 12 points and two assists in 42 minutes and finished 3-for-16 from the field after missing his first five shots. He scored a season-low four points the last time he played at Staples Center on Nov. 16 in a five-point loss to the Lakers.
The Clippers, who trailed by as many as 13 points in the first half, took a 72-71 lead when Cassell made one of two free throws with 3:02 remaining. Quinton Ross added an 18-foot jumper from the left of the key and Mobley followed with a 3-pointer for a 77-71 lead with 1:51 to play. Mobley finished 6-for-16 from the field after missing seven of his first eight shots.
"We had this game pretty much the whole time, but we gave it away," Jamal Crawford said. "The guys were trying to get to the hole and put pressure on their defense, but tonight the shots weren't falling for whatever reason and they got every loose ball and every big rebound."
Clippers center Chris Kaman had a tough time defending Curry in the paint during the first three quarters, and missed his first six shots at the other end of the court. But in the fourth quarter, he blocked a layup by the Knicks' center and that led to a layup by Kaman that ended his shooting drought. It also capped a 9-0 run that reduced a 10-point deficit to 63-62 with 9:55 left.
"Eddy Curry was just scoring at will in the first half, and we weren't doing a good job on him -- especially myself," Kaman said. "But we played him a lot better in the second half. We weren't ready in the first half. Some guys come ready. But when the whole team doesn't, it hurts you. And that's what happened. But these guys have the experience and knowledge to know what to do in late situations."
Corey Maggette, the Clippers' second-leading scorer, was sidelined by a sprained left foot. James Singleton, an undrafted free agent, made his first NBA start at Maggette's small forward spot and played 16 minutes without scoring.
Both teams took the court with Knicks forward Quentin Richardson on their minds. Richardson, who spent his first four NBA seasons with the Clippers, missed his second game since the fatal shooting of his brother, 31-year-old Lee Richardson, Jr. on Monday during a robbery outside the family's Chicago home. It was the second such tragedy for Richardson, whose brother Bernard also was gunned down in 1992 at age 23.
"It's a sad situation," Brand said. "We all send our deepest condolences to Quentin. We knew Lee. We met him numerous times. When Quentin played with the Clippers, Lee was at almost every home game and we'd see him after the games. He was a good guy. Something like this makes us all appreciate life and the family and friends we have."
Brown, who spoke to Richardson on the phone Wednesday morning, said the team might try to stop in Chicago on the way home after Friday night's game at Phoenix to attend Saturday's funeral. But those plans weren't finalized.
"This isn't the first tragedy he's faced. Quentin's gone through a lot," Brown said. "It makes games seem kind of insignificant when you go through things like that, but he's doing the best he can. "I just told Quentin to straighten everything out and come back when he thinks he's ready. He wants to get back quickly, but it's up to him."
Equint77
12-08-2005, 02:41 PM
lol... oh ok.. you're a bandwagoner... the lakers win you wear piss yellow..... now the Clips are winning so you've converted there.
LOL.. one of the 2 franchises is on top of the league? Before this year.. when were the Clippers on top.
NOFX.. you're pathetic. Sure the Knicks are losing but damn.... even when the Nets move to Brooklyn.. I'll be damned if I root for those jerk offs. And I live in Brooklyn.
lol... oh ok.. you're a bandwagoner... the lakers win you wear piss yellow..... now the Clips are winning so you've converted there.
:cool: Now im pissing red :(
lol... oh ok.. you're a bandwagoner... the lakers win you wear piss yellow..... now the Clips are winning so you've converted there.
LOL.. one of the 2 franchises is on top of the league? Before this year.. when were the Clippers on top.
NOFX.. you're pathetic. Sure the Knicks are losing but damn.... even when the Nets move to Brooklyn.. I'll be damned if I root for those jerk offs. And I live in Brooklyn.
Nice post :D :up:
F the nets ;)
Hey im not the one supporting a team who cant supposedly play there best players for some reason:cool:
Equint77
12-08-2005, 03:13 PM
Hey im not the one supporting a team who cant supposedly play there best players for some reason:cool:
no you're just jumping ship once your team doesn't win.... you're the worst kind of fan.
no you're just jumping ship once your team doesn't win.... you're the worst kind of fan.
Im not jumping ship, I've been lakers/clippers fans since I was in jr.high. ***** Even during the "Vaught from his spot" ear....A real clipper fan would understand what I just said! :cool:
Equint77
12-08-2005, 03:18 PM
go back to listening to Green Day on Seseme Street.
go back to listening to Green Day on Seseme Street.
Dont get mad cuz your ass got owned!!! By me and my beloved Clippers!!! :cool: Thats what u call a double Whammy!!! :up:
Equint77
12-08-2005, 03:59 PM
Dont get mad cuz your ass got owned!!! By me and my beloved Clippers!!! :cool: Thats what u call a double Whammy!!! :up:
LOL.. so what's gonna happen after this season is over and your team collapses again? You act like the Clips are gonna be around for years?
"Beloved" Clippers.. since August I bet.
Oh yeah... are you in the habit of "owning" men? Or little boys... I heard about you West Coasters. :o
LOL.. so what's gonna happen after this season is over and your team collapses again? You act like the Clips are gonna be around for years?
"Beloved" Clippers.. since August I bet.
Oh yeah... are you in the habit of "owning" men? Or little boys... I heard about you West Coasters. :o
First off I've been saying my "beloved" clips since July not August:o
2nd how do u know there going to collapse??? All I know is that Clippers will have a better record than the Knicks!!! Thats all that matters. And Lastly I have no comment about "owning" of men or little boys for that matter:spidey:
Equint77
12-08-2005, 04:07 PM
First off I've been saying my "beloved" clips since July not August:o
2nd how do u know there going to collapse??? All I know is that Clippers will have a better record than the Knicks!!! Thats all that matters. And Lastly I have no comment about "owning" of men or little boys for that matter:spidey:
Uhm... your team will probably have a better record.. but so what... they won't get anywhere in the playoffs and by next season.. in all probability be back to being the bottom of the pacific.. like always.
Your team is a sham and they haven't done anything in their history. You should consider how you approach this winning cause god forbid Brand get hurt.. you're whole team is screwed.... you're already lucky to get by without Corey and Shawn.
Uhm... your team will probably have a better record.. but so what... they won't get anywhere in the playoffs and by next season.. in all probability be back to being the bottom of the pacific.. like always.
Your team is a sham and they haven't done anything in their history. You should consider how you approach this winning cause god forbid Brand get hurt.. you're whole team is screwed.... you're already lucky to get by without Corey and Shawn.
***** we have won without corey and Shawn, thats how good our team is!!! While the knicks brings probably the greatest coach of our generation in Larry Brown and they still cant even get to .500 in there division...And that division isnt exactly a Power House by any means!!! :cool:
Equint77
12-08-2005, 04:15 PM
***** we have won without corey and Shawn, thats how good our team is!!! While the knicks brings probably the greatest coach of our generation in Larry Brown and they still cant even get to .500 in there division...And that division isnt exactly a Power House by any means!!! :cool:
Who said they were? You act like I came into this season bragging about what they were gonna do.. and yes a lot of the blame goes to Brown for not setting the rotations already. As well as the 13 of the first 19 games on the road... I can handle losing cause it's all part of rebuilding.. however you're taking the first month of the season like the Clippers are contenders. Maybe you should fall back on how great your team is cause they have ZERO history. And until they actually win a playoff series that means something...
How many years did Elgin Baylor get it WRONG? How many years did it take for your owner to let go of his wallet? Hell you guys can't even get your own arena.. you have to rent it from the Lakers.
One month and you act like you're the Spurs. Please NOFX. Stop the insanity.
Knicks drop to 0-7 vs. Clips at Staples Center
Holy ***** Knicks havent beaten the Clips at Staples Center in 7 Years!!! :eek:
Equint77
12-09-2005, 08:24 AM
Holy ***** Knicks havent beaten the Clips at Staples Center in 7 Years!!! :eek:
Exactly.. you couldn't even respond to my last post cause everything I said hit home.
Face it... much like your musical tastes.. you're a sports POSER as well.
Do yourself a favor and stop posting here... you're just gonna get embarrassed again. And I can do that with my team not winning.
Exactly.. you couldn't even respond to my last post cause everything I said hit home.
Face it... much like your musical tastes.. you're a sports POSER as well.
Do yourself a favor and stop posting here... you're just gonna get embarrassed again. And I can do that with my team not winning.
Because nothing you said was worth responding too!!! BTW the Clippers can go as high as number 2 in the west!!! Thats potentially good they are...but I wont go as far to say there better then the spurs just yet:o
Equint77
12-09-2005, 01:49 PM
Because nothing you said was worth responding too!!! BTW the Clippers can go as high as number 2 in the west!!! Thats potentially good they are...but I wont go as far to say there better then the spurs just yet:o
Worth responding to? Maybe cause you can't respond cause you know what I said was right, about the team, about Baylor about Sterling, about renting a home from the Lakers. Your team has been in the gutter for 20 years... and in one month of success you're getting all big headed about it. And who cares about potential? I can potentially win the lotto if I buy enough tickets. :o Potential means nothing.
LOL you won't say they're better than the Spurs yet? SA has done more in one season than your entire franchise has done in it's history. Please.. get out of the sun... Get off your knees and get Billie Jo out of your mouth for one second and realize what you're saying.
Worth responding to? Maybe cause you can't respond cause you know what I said was right, about the team, about Baylor about Sterling, about renting a home from the Lakers. Your team has been in the gutter for 20 years... and in one month of success you're getting all big headed about it. And who cares about potential? I can potentially win the lotto if I buy enough tickets. :o Potential means nothing.
LOL you won't say they're better than the Spurs yet? SA has done more in one season than your entire franchise has done in it's history. Please.. get out of the sun... Get off your knees and get Billie Jo out of your mouth for one second and realize what you're saying.
Thats all in the Clippers past, Baylor and Sterling has finally moved and im happy about!!! Your talking about things about the past that I have no control over whatsover??? Of course if I was knicks fan I would talk about the past more because nothing good will come out of the knicks anytime soon!!!
Equint77
12-09-2005, 02:02 PM
Thats all in the Clippers past, Baylor and Sterling has finally moved and im happy about!!! Your talking about things about the past that I have no control over whatsover??? Of course if I was knicks fan I would talk about the past more because nothing good will come out of the knicks anytime soon!!!
LOL the past? That's their entire HISTORY. As recent as what? 2 years ago? And in one month you're trying to negate everything they never accomplished. LOL... so because your team couldn't hold onto it's players it's not your "fault" but I can't be content with the rebuilding of my team?
And who's talking about the past? The Knicks have sucked since 2001.. I can admit that. I can also admit it's gonna take TIME for this team to GEL under A NEW COACH, with 7 NEW PLAYERS, learning A NEW SYSTEM. I never once bragged about how good they were gonna be cause I knew it was gonna be a process... but even if they were winning I sure as hell know how to be humble about it.
Are you mental? Seriously... stop with this talk cause you're gonna lose. Your team is a big ZERO, and much like yourself won't be going anywhere anytime soon. So stop with the trash talk cause you're being abused here.
LOL the past? That's their entire HISTORY. As recent as what? 2 years ago? And in one month you're trying to negate everything they never accomplished. LOL... so because your team couldn't hold onto it's players it's not your "fault" but I can't be content with the rebuilding of my team?
And who's talking about the past? The Knicks have sucked since 2001.. I can admit that. I can also admit it's gonna take TIME for this team to GEL under A NEW COACH, with 7 NEW PLAYERS, learning A NEW SYSTEM. I never once bragged about how good they were gonna be cause I knew it was gonna be a process... but even if they were winning I sure as hell know how to be humble about it.
Are you mental? Seriously... stop with this talk cause you're gonna lose. Your team is a big ZERO, and much like yourself won't be going anywhere anytime soon. So stop with the trash talk cause you're being abused here.
I've been waiting for this moment for 10 years!!! All that pressure and waiting was building up and Now its time for my boys to ****ing shine dammit!!! And its time for the knicks to be come the clippers of the past. Or are they already???
#1Batmanfan
12-09-2005, 02:13 PM
Clippers Baby !!!!!
Equint77
12-09-2005, 02:14 PM
I've been waiting for this moment for 10 years!!! All that pressure and waiting was building up and Now its time for my boys to ****ing shine dammit!!! And its time for the knicks to be come the clippers of the past. Or are they already???
You're such a poser.. I mean... really. Pressure? Waiting? Building?
You can't even remember Danny Manning.
LOL... Clippers of the past? Uhm... in order for that to happen they'd have to move to Kansas and lose all their basketball credibility.
You're such a poser.. I mean... really. Pressure? Waiting? Building?
You can't even remember Danny Manning.
LOL... Clippers of the past? Uhm... in order for that to happen they'd have to move to Kansas and lose all their basketball credibility.
I started watching the clips during the "Vaught from his spot" era:o Here you got the knicks: A team that is based in NYC. Majority of NBA players wants to play over there, but they cant get any good players for some odd reason. Then you had that idiot of a general manager that wanted to change the Knicks team into the old Jazz teams:o Now you have Isiah who just getting players that either damaged goods like Curry or players who he thinks has potential like Crawford, Robinson and Fry:o Im feel sorry the knicks fan, I truly do:(
Equint77
12-09-2005, 02:24 PM
I started watching the clips during the "Vaught from his spot" era:o Here you got the knicks: A team that is based in NYC. Majority of NBA players wants to play over there, but they cant get any good players for some odd reason. Then you had that idiot of a general manager that wanted to change the Knicks team into the old Jazz teams:o Now you have Isiah who just getting players that either damaged goods like Curry or players who he thinks has potential like Crawford, Robinson and Fry:o Im feel sorry the knicks fan, I truly do:(
As opposed to Elgin Baylor.. who's main job is to draft players just to showcase them for other teams to sign? And how long has he been there? 25 years?
Damaged goods? Shawn Livingston is a walking hospital.
For real NOFX.. you shouldn't be talking so much.... one month doesn't give you excuse to open your mouth. You act like you've won a championship or something. But I mean why am I arguing with you. You flip flop between the Clips and the Lakers. It's convienient to switch when one team starts to lose.
You're pathetic.
Don't feel sorry for me... I can wait for things to change... while your team will always be in the shadow of the Lakers and a no man's land for talent. But again.. you "root" for both teams. :rolleyes:
As opposed to Elgin Baylor.. who's main job is to draft players just to showcase them for other teams to sign? And how long has he been there? 25 years?
Damaged goods? Shawn Livingston is a walking hospital.
For real NOFX.. you shouldn't be talking so much.... one month doesn't give you excuse to open your mouth. You act like you've won a championship or something. But I mean why am I arguing with you. You flip flop between the Clips and the Lakers. It's convienient to switch when one team starts to lose.
You're pathetic.
Don't feel sorry for me... I can wait for things to change... while your team will always be in the shadow of the Lakers and a no man's land for talent. But again.. you "root" for both teams. :rolleyes:
I finally hit a nerve!!!:D YahoooOoooooooooooooooooooooo!:cool:
Equint77
12-09-2005, 02:36 PM
lol... god you'd better hope the Clippers don't go on a losing streak.. Pray to god they don't....
I'm gonna make you cry. :D
lol... god you'd better hope the Clippers don't go on a losing streak.. Pray to god they don't....
I'm gonna make you cry. :D
You do know that im a Liberal Christians!!! God always listens to me. ***** its a miracle the Clippers are winning???!!! Only could have happen by the power of God:up:
Equint77
12-09-2005, 06:45 PM
lol... you're funny NOFX...
keep your team winning... enjoy. :up:
That loss to the suns makes me want to cry :(
LastSunrise1981
12-10-2005, 12:22 PM
How about my Dallas Mavericks? 14-5. :up:
While it's still early in the season, I love how we're playing at the moment and expect more good things to come. We just need to tighten up our defense, get a better big man other than Dampier, and we'll be fine for years to come.
I still believe we should've won the championship in 2003. :mad: If Dirk hadn't went down, we would've beat SA for sure.
San Antonio is playing great ball as always, however, I'm not sold on them at all because it seems people allow them to score at will and intimidate them. In my view, all you have to do is clog up the middle and force them to shoot jumpers.
Super_Ludacris
12-10-2005, 12:39 PM
That loss to the suns makes me want to cry :(
oh it's ok. It could have been worse, if Amare played he would be making posters of the rookie frontline, so it wasn't all bad.
That loss to the suns makes me want to cry :(
Dont worry the clippers will beat the suns tonight:up:
oh it's ok. It could have been worse, if Amare played he would be making posters of the rookie frontline, so it wasn't all bad.
True, but I wish i had video of when Ariza dunked it on Ben Wallace :D
Super_Ludacris
12-10-2005, 01:53 PM
True, but I wish i had video of when Ariza dunked it on Ben Wallace :D
This is true, but somehow I suspect you wished you had won that game instead:o . Cause you know, a win against the best team in the league>> a dunk everyone's already forgotten about:(
This is true, but somehow I suspect you wished you had won that game instead:o . Cause you know, a win against the best team in the league>> a dunk everyone's already forgotten about:(
Of course I'd rather have won, but I'd still like video of that for avatar purposes :(
HUGE ****ING GAME TONIGHT AGAINST THE CLIPS AND THE SUNS!!! THE BATTLE FOR FIRST PLACE IN THE PACIFIC DIVISION! BOTH TEAMS ARE TIED 13-5. I HOPE MY BELOVED CLIPS WIN!!! BRAND FOR MVP DAMMIT!!!:cool:
The Riddler
12-10-2005, 09:46 PM
the rockets are finally winning again.
Artest wants to get traded to the knicks but most likely to the Kings:o
Ron Artest stunned the Indiana Pacers on Saturday by requesting to be traded, telling the Indianapolis Star that he believes the team would be better off without him.
Artest
Artest, who has missed the Pacers' last two games because of a wrist injury, told the Star that he doesn't like playing for coach Rick Carlisle and would prefer to be dealt to the New York Knicks.
"I think I cause a lot of problems here," Artest told the Star in a one-on-one interview Saturday; the story first appeared on the newspaper's Web site. "If the trade rumors, if there is any truth -- maybe it won't be a bad thing. They probably could win more games without me."
Artest said he wants to play in an offense where he's allowed to shoot more, adding, "If it was a perfect world, I would be going to New York."
Pacers chief executive Donnie Walsh was taken aback by Artest's request, saying the former All-Star and defensive player of the year had never raised such concerns with team officials.
"I've never heard him say anything before," Walsh told the Star. "He hasn't talked to me, and I see him every day.
"He can always come up and talk to me or [team president] Larry Bird," Walsh said. "From here on out, I expect Ronnie to be a professional. ... [This] isn't the best way to get a trade done."
"You never want to lose someone like that," Carlisle told the newspaper, calling Artest "one of the elite talents in the league."
One of the NBA's best defenders as well as one of the league's most combustible players, Artest set off last season's Pistons-Pacers brawl at the Palace of Auburn Hills by charging into the stands after a fan who threw a drink. Artest was suspended for the balance of the season -- 73 games.
"I still think my past haunts me here," Artest told the Star. "I think somewhere else I'm starting fresh. I'm coming in with baggage but people already know about it and how I'm going to be. Either they're going to be for me or they're not going to trade for me. Here I think my past haunts me.
"I think [Indiana] will be a better team without me."
Artest said Carlisle is a good coach, but criticized the Pacers' structured offense as too restricted for him.
"I'm so demanding of the ball. It's not my fault," Artest told the Star. "Every time somebody is on me it's a mismatch. It messes up the offense. I like Coach [Carlisle] as a person, but I don't like playing for Coach. I like my team, though."
"Don't get it twisted. He's a very good coach. He knows what he's doing. I personally don't like playing for him. I would not want to see him get fired for me after all the immaturity I've been through with this organization."
Artest, whose contract expires in 2008 and includes an $8.5 million player option for 2008-09, makes $6.5 million this season.
Darth_Barf
12-11-2005, 01:21 AM
i have a new proposition for the new season,
i propose that Football be declared a National Safety Hazard, and removed from every school, college and public place PERMANENTLY!
Immortalfire
12-11-2005, 07:53 AM
Wowzers...my Hawks beat the Spurs :eek: :up:
2005-06 Power Rankings: Week 6
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Pistons 15-2 Pistons might reside in the league's toughest division, but even in the Central, can you say anyone is close right now?
2 (4) Mavericks 15-5 Mavs just keep picking up injuries and racking up victories. They've also already beaten just about every team in the league playing well these days.
3 (2) Spurs 16-4 Remember a week or so ago when Pop said it's too early in a such long season ''to go after these guys'' like he wants to? Just a hunch, but it'll be harder to hold back after that loss in Atlanta.
4 (6) Clippers 14-6 Beating a hot team like Suns, without Maggette, moves Clips ''up another notch'' in Dunleavy's estimation. If you disagree, you're in a dwindling minority.
5 (3) Grizzlies 13-7 After their two previous two-game losing streaks, Grizz reeled off win streaks of four and six games, respectively. This time ... let's see.
6 (7) Suns 13-6 Remember when D'Antoni said in the weekend edition of the Daily Dime that Amare-less Suns would win 50 because Nash ''has always won 50'' and would figure things out? Not such an outlandish claim anymore, is it?
7 (10) Timberwolves 12-6 They're getting none of the Surprise Team ink, like Clips and Suns sans Amare, but I'm guessing KG and Co. will be content with the longest win streak in the West (tied with Dallas at five).
8 (8) Bucks 11-7 Joe Smith's knee injury could have been a serious setback. But Bogut has looked rather NBA-ready, so it's not.
9 (5) Pacers 12-7 Pacers are ''a better team without me,'' Artest says. After a statement like that, and what he added about Carlisle, who can argue with Ron-Ron?
10 (12) Heat 11-10 We knew Heat would be starting over with Shaq back. Turns out they're starting all the way over.
11 (9) Warriors 12-8 Warriors can rationalize a couple narrow losses to top teams (Suns and Pistons). They didn't have this many wins last season until mid-January.
12 (11) Cavaliers 11-8 Two obvious problems: Cavs aren't winning lately when LBJ scores big, and they're not playing anything close to the sort of D expected by their Pop-schooled new coach.
13 (13) Nuggets 11-10 The 3-point shooting is still amiss -- 24.9 percent as a team -- but 'Melo's 40-point night in Miami suggest that Nuggets' misfortune with injuries might finally be fading.
14 (14) Bulls 10-9 I'd like to focus on the 6-1 record in their last seven roadies, but how can I? Upon hearing Bulls and another big man are facing health issues, this time Chandler's breathing, I can't.
15 (24) Lakers 10-10 Even if the Zenmeister has gone over the line with his Kwame cracks, that's about all you can find fault with. To have this crew at .500, through 20 games, is something.
16 (25) Rockets 7-12 Can't even say for sure that this is the Team O' The Week From Texas, after Mavs went 4-0. But a 3-0 week for Rockets, given how punchless they've looked, is a big-time boost.
17 (18) 76ers 10-11 One of the toughest teams to read so far. This much, though, is pretty certain: One tutoring session from Moses Malone isn't nearly enough to drastically improve Philly's rebounding.
18 (17) SuperSonics 9-10 They've been better lately, but there's a reason Sonics haven't been over .500 yet this season: No team in the West allows more than 99 ppg ... except Seattle at 104.8.
19 (23) Nets 9-10 The committee (of one) reserves the right to update its thinking, and we did: Nets are far from fixed, but Wiz still edge them as East's foremost disappointment to date.
20 (20) Kings 9-12 Kings just completed their longest winless homestand (0-4) since 1992. So long ago, in other words, that we're talking roughly six years before anyone started calling Arco a tough place to play.
21 (16) Wizards 8-11 Sad but true: More than anyone else in the East, Wiz have left me wanting more. They've teased us twice -- looking so good in beating Spurs and Pistons -- but more regularly have fallen well short of their potential . . . even without the departed Hughes.
22 (15) Hornets 8-12 Hornets are facing their first on-court crisis of the season, but, as with Warriors, it's all relative. NO-OKC didn't secure its ninth win last season until Feb. 9.
23 (19) Magic 8-11 The recent 0-5 slide was a blow, but Magic can't be too down given Howard's progress and Grant Hill's expected return this week.
24 (21) Celtics 8-12 Thanks to Rockets' win at Sacto on Thursday night, only one team in the league has failed to win two in a row at least once. That would be Celts.
25 (22) Jazz 8-12 Out on a limb we go: If Kirilenko can't shake his funk and Boozer never comes back, it won't matter that Okur is playing the best ball of his life.
26 (26) Knicks 6-13 The bright side of starting the season with a flurry of games in the West: Knicks don't have to travel farther away than Texas for the next four months.
27 (30) Hawks 3-16 You probably won't see a more surprising scoreline than Saturday's all season. You also get the feeling that, without stunning Spurs, Woodson wouldn't have lasted until the next Power Rankings.
28 (29) Raptors 4-17 Why would Bosh want to leave for L.A., Phil? Raps have won three of five ... and one of the losses (Washington) came in OT.
29 (27) Trail Blazers 6-14 Before 2005-06, Portland had never lost two games in one season by 39-plus points. And with one of their few vets (Miles) hurt now, Blazers have to brace for more lows.
30 (28) Bobcats 5-16 With the league's longest losing streak (seven) and 10 consecutive defeats on the road, Bobcats must be starting to long for the day when they were a plucky expansion team carrying zero expectations.
Go Web Go!
12-12-2005, 04:10 PM
I figured someone would have beaten me to it by now but...Stan Van Gundy resigns as the coach of the Heat. Pat Riley takes over. Van Gundy said he resigned because of ''family reasons''
Well, if no one wants to believe that that's fine. I personally refuse to join in on the whole conspiracy theory that Riley ordered Van Gundy to resign so that he can rejoin the team as coach. Following this team as closely as I do (even though I don't know what goes on behind the scenes) I don't think that's what happened at all. Van Gundy was always very loyal to Pat as an assistant and I don't think Riley would be the kind of person to turn around and stab Stan in the back.
Van Gundy was a good coach. Riley should give the Heat a boost especially on the defensive end. I hate to see Stan go, but I'm eager to see what Pat does with this team and how he handles them.
Jplaya2023
12-12-2005, 05:18 PM
http://fiyastarter.com/fs-pages/fs-sports-nbarank05-5.htm
FIYA NBA Rankings #5
Rank Team FIYA Analysis
1 Pistons
They're so good, I may as well use a cliché:
They're firing on all cylinders!
2 Spurs
After posting 12 and 10 in a loss to the Hawks, a dejected Tim Duncan took the all-wise Robert Horry's advice and went to Club 112, found the sista with the biggest booty in there and took her back to his hotel room. You can expect a big week from Timmy Dawg.
3 Clippers
While I agree that Mike Dunleavy is doing a great job, I refuse to tout him as a coach of the year candidate, because of the poor coaching job he's done with his son.
4 Mavs
With the emergence of second-year star Devin Harris, the Mavs now have two good point guards that aren't championship caliber.
5 Suns
Steve Nash is the best point guard in the world. There, I said it. Not that it'll stop every white guy in the world from gloating, but I did have the integrity and courage to say it anyway.
6 T-Wolves
Kevin Garnett has won more fantasy league titles than any player in any sport. You know what that means? Common idiots, from mailmen to dentists, have done a better job of building around KG than Kevin McHale. Hell, that new baby panda would win a fantasy league with KG.
7 Grizzlies
Tough week for team ball.
In other news, Shane Battier has added a new wrinkle. No, not to his game…on his head.
8 Warriors
Baron Davis came home to find Mike Montgomery, Michael Adams and Hersey Hawkins in his living room. "Baron, we're not attacking you. We want to help you. You have a problem, Baron. These guys know what it's like. Let them help you," said Montgomery. A confused Baron replied, "Man, what the **** you talkin 'bout? Why you in my house?" Adams responded firmly, "Cut the **** Baron! You're taking too many three-pointers. Everyone knows it. Don't make it worse by lying! You're an addict! I see the signs. I been there, brother."
9 Pacers
Artest is asking to be traded and J.O. is hinting at a trade demand, himself. The chickens are coming home to roost on chicken-lipped Larry. Zeke's Disciples will make sure of it.
10 Bucks
The frontcourt of Bogut and Magloire will be the cause of more injuries than any other frontcourt in history, surpassing Dikembe Mutombo and…anyone.
11 Bulls
After a week of extensive testing, team doctors have concluded that the cause of Tyson Chandler's chronic fatigue and chest pains was his vagina.
12 Cavs
Oh, look, they're tanking and it's not even spring. And LeBron's new commercials suck more than Drew Gooden.
13 Nuggets
NOPE! I saw 'Melo outplay Wade. Mmmmmmmhuh...FILED!
*PS --Stop Snitchin'!
14 Lakers
Led by three-time champion Kobe Bryant, the Lakers seem to have righted themselves.
15 Heat
Led by zero-times champion Dwayne Wade, the Heat seem to just suck. Hard. They'll be fine when that big ass break-dancing, gun-toting, Superman loving, free throw missing Philosopher/Rapper/Center gets back.
16 76ers
I coulda sworn I heard "breakout" and "Iguodala" used in the same sentence over a thousand times during preseason. That ***** 'bout as consistent as an Arab Nazi drag queen.
17 Sonics
When asked how his game is any different from Al Harrington's, a brutally honest Rashad Lewis stated, "Oh. Well, I'm light-skinned. And I take more shots."
18 Nets
What a great week for the Nets! Vince out duels 'Bron and…nope, that's it.
19 Wizards
I don't need to check the stats to know that this is the worst defensive team in the history of the world.
20 Magic
Captain Ankle is coming to save the day! Hang tough Dwight.
21 Hornets
Google "breakout" and "J.R. Smith"…it's disgusting.
22 Celtics
Ricky Davis has toned down his act to become a very good and reliable player. Good for him. Now, watch this ***** go rape a ***** or something…have weed all in his uniform…kick a midget...steal some Pez...not stop his car behind a school bus…fight with a deli owner over the amount of mustard he asked for….something. You watch. It's all too quiet right now.
23 Jazz
By way of one of our credible sources, we've obtained Carlos Boozer's AIM away message:
BoozGotPaid: My leg hurt. Leave me alone, unless you're Mitch Kupchak.
24 Kings
I hear they're working on a deal to trade Peja for a 16th century catapult, which they'll place right outside the three-point line. It's perfect for their offense, as it can do everything Peja can do, but they may give up about four or five more points than they did with Peja on the defensive end. Maybe.
25 Rockets
T-Mac is getting radical treatments on his sore back from none other than Jim Brown. The former NFL great sits T-Mac down for an hour and slowly repeats "Stop...being...a...****in'...pussy." It's been working so far.
26 Knicks
Channing Frye was playing so well from the high post that Larry Brown just had to **** with him and stick him in the low post.
(Oh, that's it…no funnies…just the truth)
27 Blazers
Zach Randolph extended his streak of Most Consecutive Games Of Being The Only Guy In The League Who Looks Weird Wearing A Headband.
28 Bobcats
When asked if he still felt Emeka Okafor was better than Dwight Howard, Bernie Bickerstaff stated, "No. But, why you bringing up old **** to make me look bad?"
29 Hawks
They beat the Spurs, so they move out of last place.
30 Raptors
They didn't beat the Spurs, so they are the worst team in the NBA.
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Rank Team FIYA Analysis
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While I agree that Mike Dunleavy is doing a great job, I refuse to tout him as a coach of the year candidate, because of the poor coaching job he's done with his son.
LOL!:D
LarryLegend
12-12-2005, 11:42 PM
How about my Dallas Mavericks? 14-5. :up:
While it's still early in the season, I love how we're playing at the moment and expect more good things to come. We just need to tighten up our defense, get a better big man other than Dampier, and we'll be fine for years to come.
I still believe we should've won the championship in 2003. :mad: If Dirk hadn't went down, we would've beat SA for sure.
San Antonio is playing great ball as always, however, I'm not sold on them at all because it seems people allow them to score at will and intimidate them. In my view, all you have to do is clog up the middle and force them to shoot jumpers.
If Webber hadn't gone down you wouldn't have beated Sacremento.
Yahoo Laker above .500 again!!!:cool: And Kwame Brown actually show signs he can play in this league!!!
LarryLegend
12-12-2005, 11:45 PM
JPLAYA: Fantastic list. LMAO.
LastSunrise1981
12-13-2005, 12:03 AM
If Webber hadn't gone down you wouldn't have beated Sacremento.
Sacramento took us to 7 games without him, so losing him didn't cause too much of a disruption. :) :up:
But we lost to the Lakers tonight. :mad: :down
Sacramento took us to 7 games without him, so losing him didn't cause too much of a disruption. :) :up:
But we lost to the Lakers tonight. :mad: :down
Did you see Kobe making that hail mary 3-pointer??!!!:D
LarryLegend
12-13-2005, 09:25 AM
Sacramento took us to 7 games without him, so losing him didn't cause too much of a disruption. :) :up:
But we lost to the Lakers tonight. :mad: :down
Yeah but they didn't have that star to get them over the hump.
Sorry about the Lakers loss. I hate them.
For the Kinicks fans
I found the dunks I was looking for :D
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LastSunrise1981
12-17-2005, 09:27 AM
Yeah but they didn't have that star to get them over the hump.
Sorry about the Lakers loss. I hate them.
Unfortunately I did see the Mavs lose to the Lakers. Even though I was disappointed, there was no room or time for excuses as to why we lost a winnable game.
I'm just happy we're winning again and our defense is SOMEWHAT improving.
The defense isn't where it should be at this point and we need a more dominate, athletic, and defensive big man other than Dampier. Someone like Theo Ratliff comes to mind.
Immortalfire
12-17-2005, 09:33 AM
Hawks beat Knicks :up:
I'm seeing red X's :( rehosted at imageshack
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Cudzo
12-17-2005, 01:50 PM
Detroit Rolled over the Baby Bulls ... again. oouucch!!! Hopefully will do the same to the Bobcats tonight.
Jplaya2023
12-17-2005, 03:55 PM
Detroit Rolled over the Baby Bulls ... again. oouucch!!! Hopefully will do the same to the Bobcats tonight.
detroit must of still been mad from the 1991 ECF 4 game sweep
Super_Ludacris
12-17-2005, 04:20 PM
Detroit is so damn focused this season. I can't say that enough
Knicks v Pacers tonight should be interesting to watch tho not for BB reasons :(
Holy ***** shaun livingston had 10 assist in his first game back in a win against the rockets!!!:eek:
Jplaya2023
12-19-2005, 08:54 AM
another game tmac ethers kobe and shows who is better
Jplaya2023
12-19-2005, 09:51 AM
http://www.fiyastarter.com/fs-pages/fs-sports-nbarank05-6.htm
FIYA NBA Rankings #6
Rank Team FIYA Analysis
1 Pistons
Chauncey had more assists last week than he has teeth. When the hell did he become a young Gary Payton?
2 Spurs
In his first game after getting some Sista Ass in Atlanta, Timmy drops 27 and 22 on Elton Brand as the Spurs beat the Clippers and everyone else they played last week. That Sista Ass, y'all. It's the stuff of champions. Ask Barry Bonds. People say it's the 'roids. NOPE! It's Sista Ass.
3 Mavs
I hope Josh Howard relishes his new role as The ***** That Does All The Dirty Work And Gets Blamed in June When Dirk Shoots 38% in the WCF. Finley never liked it very much.
4 Clippers
They finally get back Livingston. Now, they just need Maggs to stay healthy and they'll have a legit chance to get booted by the Spurs in June.
5 Warriors
You ever wonder how many groupies have changed their ways after waking up next to Adonal Foyle?
6 Grizzlies
Shane Battier's expletive-laden pep talk inspired his team to go out and defeat Phoenix. Wanna know what would have happened immediately after Shane's speech if Bonzi and J-Will were still there? Bonzi would have said: "*****, shut your sorry ***** ass up! Duke ass *****. Nobody wanna hear that Coach K ****!" And J-Will would have co-signed by laughing and the team would've gone out and gotten destroyed by the Suns, with Marion droppin 60 on an unfocused Battier. And that, my friends, is why Bonzi Well and Jason Williams are losers that Jerry West had to ship.
7 Pacers
"It's like saying, 'Magic, should your wife give you another chance?" Artest said "He's saying Ron Artest should have no more second chances. What's worse -- me saying I want to be traded or you cheating on your wife?"
(I'm sorry, but I can't top that. Why try?)
8 Suns
Steve Nash is starting to get the Brett Favre treatment from announcers. They even marvel at his bad passes now.
9 Bucks
Williams, Ford and Redd is the best guard rotation in the league. Go on…think of a better one and BE WRONG!
10 T-Wolves
People who blame KG for not coming up big in the 4th quarter are the same type of people who would blame a real-life Superman for not being prevent every catastrophe in the world.
Hater #1: "All them lives he saved don't mean **** if he couldn't save all those people from that tsumani."
Hater #2: "So what if that ***** can fly. That don't mean ****. You seen Katrina get in that ***** ass didn't you? I'm telling you, Superman is so ****ing overrated, dogg. He's a choker. He never saves lives when it matters."
You people make me sick.
11 Cavs
To the people of Cleveland: I hate all of you. You threw batteries at Albert Belle and threated to kill Boozer. When LeBron leaves in two years, remember this…God hates you, too. It's not just me. And God made Ernest Byner fumble. Suffer.
12 Lakers
Watching the national media ignore Kobe and the Lakers' surge is funnier than watching replays of Kobe (smiling and looking like a complete *******) walking past a subdued Iverson into the press room after he won his second ring.
13 Heat
Just because Shaq's back, they're gonna stop giving Zo burn? That's some bull****! I wanna see Zo act stupid with that Zoflex. It's the the most Fiya comedy in all of sports.
14 76ers
I think Ann Iverson had sex with Wolverine in Fall of '74, because A.I. gets over an injury quicker than Lawrence Taylor did after a few snorts.
15 Bulls
If this were a Shakespearean drama, Ben Gordon would have poisoned the **** outta Chris Duhon by now. But, it's not. So, Ben remains a backup to a second-rounder who just keeps getting better and better and better. That's gotta suck.
16 Nuggets
Camby missed a couple of games with an injured pinkie, huh? It has begun. *Fantasy league trade*
17 Jazz
I'm pretty sure Okur's startling improvement will be used by the media (i.e. white folks) to justify the influx of European talent. It doesn't matter. There's still Darko.
18 Sonics
I think Ray Allen should be demoted from the NBA's elite and be called "Hezekiah Buttersworth" until the Sonics make a run.
19 Nets
If Richard Jefferson's floor game was as strong as his face, the Nets would be a serious contender.
20 Kings
My Hollywood sources tell me that Mike Bibby is up for the role of Dr. Evil's estranged son in the new Austin Powers.
21 Wizards
When asked if he'd like to hear some poetry, Arenas responded to Etan with:
A) "Sure, brotha. I'd love to hear some of your new work."
B) "**** no, *****. I'd like to hear your big ass getting some boards and making a layup. That's what I'd *like* to hear."
C) "You don't get paid 6 mil a year to be sensitive, ya know? You do know that, right?"
D) "I don't want to have sex with you, Etan. Please, just leave me alone."
E) "No. Hey, how many shots you think I should take tonight? I'm thinking 30."
22 Magic
Trade Steve Francis while he can still jump, because once that goes he has no value at all.
23 Rockets
So, the masterplan has finally been revealed. The only reason China has a sixth of the world's population is to ensure Yao starts every damn All-Star game. And here I thought they were plotting to overtake America as the world's sole superpower by the year 2030. Silly me.
24 Celtics
Raef Lafrentz needs to get some diamond-encrusted knee pads for all the money he's making.
25 Hornets
P.J. Brown got one of the mouths that looks like he talked back to his mother under his breath all the time. Seriously, look at that dude and then imagine him as a kid, getting cursed out and walking away smacking his lips and ****…LMAO. Hahahahaha…yeah, lil' P.J.
26 Knicks
One of our spies overheard a heated argument between Isiah Thomas and Larry Brown. Our spy couldn't make out everything, but one portion was very clear. Brown laughed and said, "Isiah, what does it matter? I'm getting paid and everyone is gonna blame you anyway. Why should I care?"
27 Blazers
I'm sorry, and I know it's wrong to say, but Ruben Patterson just looks like a ***** that belongs in a prison yard, wearing a Carnhartt coat, a knit hat and some Caterpillar workboots. You know I'm right.
28 Bobcats
When asked why starting small forward Gerald Wallace was unable to maintain the high level of play he showed during the first two weeks of the season, a confused and angry Bernie Bickerstaff responded, "Because he's Gerald Wallace, dumb ass. Next question."
29 Hawks
They can get some consistency out of the small forward spot if they'd just call up 'Nique.
30 Raptors
Does anyone else find it sad that the only improvement Jalen has made since he's been in the league is to his teeth?
Immortalfire
12-19-2005, 09:54 AM
Hawks beat Nuggets in OT
2005-06 Power Rankings: Week 7
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Pistons 18-3 The near-perfect start just got a little closer to perfect: To go with its sparkly record, Detroit gets to watch its two main East rivals deal with drama earlier than expected.
2 (2) Mavericks 18-6 Avery's first 41 regular-season games in charge produced a 33-8 start -- and this season's launch, on its own, ain't bad, either. Dallas, remember, hasn't played a single game yet with its full squad.
3 (3) Spurs 19-5 Hard to imagine a better Manu insurance policy than Finley. But a string of tight games with Manu out suggests Spurs lack some edge no matter how hot his stand-in is.
4 (4) Clippers 15-8 Perhaps the honeymoon isn't all the way over. Clips just beat hot Houston, welcomed Livingston back from injury and still -- still! -- cling to first place in the Pacific.
5 (10) Heat 14-11 If nothing else, Riles has a division title in his future. Heat's effort was so much better in his first four games that the Southeast is pretty much clinched already.
6 (5) Grizzlies 14-8 During the recent three-game skid, with Pau in a funk, Grizz averaged only 76 ppg. Even with their stingy defense, you've got to score at least 86.
7 (8) Bucks 13-9 Bucks would be more inclined to celebrate the fact that they've already matched last season's seven road wins if they hadn't lost both home games last week with some uncharacteristically frigid 3-point shooting (6 for 36).
8 (9) Pacers 14-8 Before you totally dismiss Indy's contender status, don't forget that playing without Artest is not exactly new ground. Pacers have won without him before and still have top-five talent, no matter what they get in a trade.
9 (6) Suns 14-9 The plan to counter Joe Johnson's departure was amassing depth. But when you add a few new injuries to the Amare situation, Suns don't have depth anymore, either.
10 (11) Warriors 14-10 As ugly as their Jersey stop was, Warriors can remember far uglier times. Like last season, for instance, when win No. 15 didn't come until Feb. 16.
11 (12) Cavaliers 13-9 Eight (wins in a row) was definitely not enough. Cavs are 4-7 since and looked so jittery Saturday that they nearly let weary Miami back into a game that was over.
12 (7) Timberwolves 12-10 Nothing can halt momentum like a few narrow losses. And Wolves have more than a few, sitting at 3-7 in games decided by five points or less.
13 (15) Lakers 13-11 They don't call him Zenmeister (OK, I don't) for nothing. But even Phil would tell you that he never expected these Lakers, this soon, to reel off a 7-2 run.
14 (14) Bulls 12-11 Six players average in double figures. None of them scores more than 15 ppg. Add it all up and you see that Bulls aren't just small, they're unique.
15 (22) Hornets 11-13 Remember when we said J.R. Smith, as a shooting guard, doesn't quite shoot it well enough for our taste? Fact is, Hornets seem almost unbeatable when Smith scores at least 16 ... but it's happened only six times (5-1).
16 (16) Rockets 10-13 Apparently that detour to Vegas changed Rockets' luck only to a degree. Yao going down indefinitely means their injury luck hasn't changed a whole lot.
17 (17) 76ers 13-12 Yes, you read right. In the surprise development no one's talking about, board-hungry Sixers got 12 and 10 in consecutive games from one Shavlik Randolph.
18 (13) Nuggets 12-13 Come to think of it, with K-Mart hobbling and 'Melo's scoring unable to prevent a sub-.500 record, Nugs actually aren't far away from desperate. Which only further explains their Artest interest.
19 (25) Jazz 11-13 Kirilenko is back and rounding into some rhythm, but is the key to success actually Okur? When Memo leads Jazz in scoring and rebounding, they're 5-2.
20 (23) Magic 9-12 Even with a half-speed Grant Hill, Orlando looks like more of a team than forecasted. There's certainly nothing wrong, durability aside, with a Hill-and-Howard front line.
21 (20) Kings 10-14 Over the past four seasons, Kings haven't won fewer than 30 games at home. Sacto can still get there this term, but it'll take a 23-4 run from here.
22 (19) Nets 11-12 Maybe, just maybe, wins over Nuggets and Warriors suggest Nets finally realize that the season has started. Of course, just before those victories, Jersey lost at home to Charlotte and by 20 to Arenas-less Wiz.
23 (27) Hawks 6-17 If they'd have known widespread talk of Woodson's demise would lead to a win over SA and a 4-1 run, Hawks probably would have spread the rumors themselves.
24 (18) SuperSonics 10-12 Rolling up a 33-point lead on Nate's Blazers was fun. Hitting the 20-game mark at 9-11? Not so joyous for those who can remember last season's 17-3 start.
25 (24) Celtics 9-14 Five roadies follow these next two at home. In other words, the only team out there that hasn't won two in a row yet might have to wait until 2006 to break through.
26 (21) Wizards 9-13 Halting this slump is more than a one-step process, but forbidding Arenas from scoring fewer than 20 is a good place to start. When that happens, Wiz are 0-6.
27 (29) Trail Blazers 7-16 The first of many questions McMillan has to be asking himself by now: Will we ever score 100 points? Six times so far, Blazers haven't even reached 80.
28 (30) Bobcats 6-18 Okafor's numbers are down a bit as a sophomore, true, but the news isn't all bleak. Bobcats did just go to Jersey and win a road game, after all.
29 (26) Knicks 6-17 No team in the United States is worse at home these days. So playing the next three at MSG might not be such great news for our pal Larry.
30 (28) Raptors 4-20 Maybe Raps should have stayed on the road. Seriously. Last four roadies: Toronto went 3-1, only losing an OT game. This month's four home games: Toronto is 0-4, losing by an average of nearly 15.
Eyeballing
12-19-2005, 09:09 PM
Hmm, I think I remember some people saying the only reason the Suns are any good is because of A. Stoudamire, and that Nash didn't deserve the MVP. Oh and a counter argument was that the Suns still had 50 wins with Marbury on their team. What is that guy doing this season?
Anyone still think Nash didn't deserve MVP? :D
The Riddler
12-19-2005, 09:33 PM
rockets are the hottest team in the nba.
too bad yao went down.
Eyeballing
12-19-2005, 09:38 PM
rockets are the hottest team in the nba.
too bad yao went down.
Too bad they won't go anywhere anyway.
rockets are the hottest team in the nba.
too bad yao went down.
My beloved Clips beat the Rockets!!!:cool:
Jplaya2023
12-20-2005, 08:22 AM
Hmm, I think I remember some people saying the only reason the Suns are any good is because of A. Stoudamire, and that Nash didn't deserve the MVP. Oh and a counter argument was that the Suns still had 50 wins with Marbury on their team. What is that guy doing this season?
Anyone still think Nash didn't deserve MVP? :D
nash is in the running but if brand continues having his season and the clips continue winning he should be the MVP.
Super_Ludacris
12-20-2005, 10:11 AM
Can we just split the MVP award between the Pistons' starting lineup?
Can we just split the MVP award between the Pistons' starting lineup?
Nope:)
Milkman95
12-20-2005, 11:49 AM
^Then we'll just give it to Mr. Big Shot himself, Chauncey........
I wonder what random trade Isiah will make for NY next I bet it'll be something that hasnt been rumored. There's no way he wont make a move before the deadline.
Cudzo
12-20-2005, 03:57 PM
As for MVP, i think this year will be one of the hardest years to make a judgement on that. Till the end of the season i think we'll have to wait to get a clearer picture. The talk now-a-days is that Brand will get it. But that is definetly conditional apon the Clippers keeping up thier success all season long. And as far as Nash goes, unless your name is Jordan, how many people get named MVP two years in a row? Myself agree that yes, Mr. Big Shot Chuancy Billups should get the nod, but honestly i have extreme doubts that will happen. Someone come up with a list of possible MVP's.
BTW, the Pistons outlasted the Griz last night. that was a long one. Double overtime, you've got to be kidding me. and did any of you see that Rasheed shot in the second OT?
Oh, and i'm still willing to be that Isiah might try and get Artest before the trade deadline. I say they ship the self proclaimed greatest point guard in the NBA. Two big contracts, switching of headaches.
Eyeballing
12-21-2005, 01:09 AM
nash is in the running but if brand continues having his season and the clips continue winning he should be the MVP.
If that happens and Cassel stays healthy you could make the argument he deserves it more than Brand.
Eyeballing
12-21-2005, 01:10 AM
Can we just split the MVP award between the Pistons' starting lineup?
They have to get past the Spurs first :D
Eyeballing
12-21-2005, 01:11 AM
As for MVP, i think this year will be one of the hardest years to make a judgement on that. Till the end of the season i think we'll have to wait to get a clearer picture. The talk now-a-days is that Brand will get it. But that is definetly conditional apon the Clippers keeping up thier success all season long. And as far as Nash goes, unless your name is Jordan, how many people get named MVP two years in a row? Myself agree that yes, Mr. Big Shot Chuancy Billups should get the nod, but honestly i have extreme doubts that will happen. Someone come up with a list of possible MVP's.
BTW, the Pistons outlasted the Griz last night. that was a long one. Double overtime, you've got to be kidding me. and did any of you see that Rasheed shot in the second OT?
Oh, and i'm still willing to be that Isiah might try and get Artest before the trade deadline. I say they ship the self proclaimed greatest point guard in the NBA. Two big contracts, switching of headaches.
Billups doesn't get it because even without him the pistons are still a lethal team.
Eyeballing
12-21-2005, 01:13 AM
Artest goes to the Kings for Peja.
If that happens and Cassel stays healthy you could make the argument he deserves it more than Brand.
no way! Brand is the MVP of the team, no question!
LarryLegend
12-21-2005, 09:27 AM
Brand or Nash right now for MVP
Artest goes to the Kings for Peja.
I knew it :o
Super_Ludacris
12-21-2005, 10:48 AM
^^^ that official? I'm nowhere near a tv or radio and there's nothing on it on espn.com (yet)
Kobe had a hell of a game last night. 62 points in just 3 quarters?! dayum
Jplaya2023
12-21-2005, 11:27 AM
^^^ that official? I'm nowhere near a tv or radio and there's nothing on it on espn.com (yet)
Kobe had a hell of a game last night. 62 points in just 3 quarters?! dayum
he also had 0 assist and no one shot more than 7 times
and he had 62 when the other team had 60, that was insane, I dont think the Artest thing is official as I've heard nothing on TV yet, I responded to the post before double checking to see if it was official :O
Super_Ludacris
12-21-2005, 04:41 PM
he also had 0 assist and no one shot more than 7 times
Don't get it twisted T-Mac>>> Kobe all day:up:
Jplaya2023
12-21-2005, 05:49 PM
Don't get it twisted T-Mac>>> Kobe all day:up:
yes sir.......
Cudzo
12-21-2005, 09:00 PM
no, No word about where Artest might be off to. He was trying to backtrrck about the pacers though, saying that he wants to stay after all.
Don't get it twisted T-Mac>>> Kobe all day:up:
How many playoff series had Tmac blown after going up 3-1 in the series:down
no, No word about where Artest might be off to. He was trying to backtrrck about the pacers though, saying that he wants to stay after all.
Jermaine O'nelll said If artest doenst go then Ill go.
A college team can beat the Knicks :(
A college team can beat the Knicks :(
No question...
Eyeballing
12-22-2005, 12:18 AM
no way! Brand is the MVP of the team, no question!
This coming from the same guy that put the Warriors at the no. 5 spot on his list. And you can't say I am hating because I am a Warrior fan, have been long before this season, I have sufffered through more than a decade of ugly basketball and I love seeing them play as well as they are right now. But they still are the Warriors and still revert back to their good old days of let me down.
Not sure if they will make the playoffs this year, but they stay above .500
Super_Ludacris
12-22-2005, 04:51 AM
How many playoff series had Tmac blown after going up 3-1 in the series:down
How many Playoff series has Kobe even qualified for without Shaq?:o
Jplaya2023
12-22-2005, 07:22 AM
How many playoff series had Tmac blown after going up 3-1 in the series:down
1
How many playoff apperances does kobe have without shaq???
How many teams has kobe singlehandedly led to the playoffs as the main threat on his team
Kobe has
0 scoring titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVPs
0 Steals titles
0 Defensive Player of the year titles
and has never shot 50% from the field in a season even tho he had shaq even tho he has been in the league for 10 years.
AND his slam dunk title was won by default.The competition was ****ty and his dunks werent all that impressive.
Super_Ludacris
12-22-2005, 01:04 PM
I still wanted Darvin Ham to win that Slam Title in 97
1
How many playoff apperances does kobe have without shaq???
How many teams has kobe singlehandedly led to the playoffs as the main threat on his team
Kobe has
0 scoring titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVPs
0 Steals titles
0 Defensive Player of the year titles
and has never shot 50% from the field in a season even tho he had shaq even tho he has been in the league for 10 years.
AND his slam dunk title was won by default.The competition was ****ty and his dunks werent all that impressive.
The rockets are much more talented team then the lakers the last 2 years and they still cant win a playoff series with T-Mac. At the end of game majrotiy of people would choose Kobe over T-Mac anyday.
How many Playoff series has Kobe even qualified for without Shaq?:o
Before Kobe got injured that 2nd half of the season they were in a playoff spot and playing well.
This coming from the same guy that put the Warriors at the no. 5 spot on his list.
I did??? I think your mistaken me someone else, because I never even mentioned the Warriors in this thread:confused:
Eyeballing
12-23-2005, 03:32 AM
I did??? I think your mistaken me someone else, because I never even mentioned the Warriors in this thread:confused:
You're right my mistake. That was jplaya. :(
Eyeballing
12-23-2005, 03:35 AM
The rockets are much more talented team then the lakers the last 2 years and they still cant win a playoff series with T-Mac. At the end of game majrotiy of people would choose Kobe over T-Mac anyday.
KOBE KOBE KOBE!!! Well over Mr. probably the second most talented player in the league if not the first but just doesn't really care T-Mac.
Not that there are many players in the league these days that do care. But Kobe's only problem is that he does not make anyone around him better. He is an outstanding player but for him to be truly great he needs to not score 62 points but make his teamates better.
Jplaya2023
12-23-2005, 07:22 AM
The rockets are much more talented team then the lakers the last 2 years and they still cant win a playoff series with T-Mac. At the end of game majrotiy of people would choose Kobe over T-Mac anyday.
Its not tmac's fault he had a weak supporting cast, homey was ****ting all over dallas last year but had no help
30 points 7 rebounds 8 assist 2 steals 46% shooting.
bull****. That laker team last year easily was better than that rocket team
For arguments sake lets say tmac = kobe
Now on to the role players
Odom>>> Yao. Odom is more versatile, athletic, energetic, a better rebounder, defender and passer than what yao will ever be.
Butler >>>>>> mike james, bob sura, ryan bowen, scott padgett.
Atkins>>>>> david wesely
Chris Mihm >>> Dikembe Mutombo.
Jplaya2023
12-23-2005, 07:23 AM
You're right my mistake. That was jplaya. :(
The warriors have the talent, they just have hit a wall and they're not playing well right now, but its only been 25+ games i think they can turn it around.
Super_Ludacris
12-23-2005, 07:26 AM
The rockets are much more talented team then the lakers the last 2 years and they still cant win a playoff series with T-Mac. At the end of game majrotiy of people would choose Kobe over T-Mac anyday.
Yes but they've only played one series (a 7 game one at that)
Meanwhile in LA last year......
Super_Ludacris
12-23-2005, 07:31 AM
Its not tmac's fault he had a weak supporting cast, homey was ****ting all over dallas last year but had no help
30 points 7 rebounds 8 assist 2 steals 46% shooting.
bull****. That laker team last year easily was better than that rocket team
For arguments sake lets say tmac = kobe
Now on to the role players
Odom>>> Yao. Odom is more versatile, athletic, energetic, a better rebounder, defender and passer than what yao will ever be.
Butler >>>>>> mike james, bob sura, ryan bowen, scott padgett.
Atkins>>>>> david wesely
Chris Mihm >>> Dikembe Mutombo.
Don't forget that Houston was like 0-10 this year without Mac
But they were and something like 10-4 with him
Jplaya2023
12-23-2005, 08:27 AM
Don't forget that Houston was like 0-10 this year without Mac
But they were and something like 10-4 with him
0-8 without tmac 10-5 with him
I want Iisah to make a trade for Christmas :(
Its not tmac's fault he had a weak supporting cast, homey was ****ting all over dallas last year but had no help
30 points 7 rebounds 8 assist 2 steals 46% shooting.
bull****. That laker team last year easily was better than that rocket team
For arguments sake lets say tmac = kobe
Now on to the role players
Odom>>> Yao. Odom is more versatile, athletic, energetic, a better rebounder, defender and passer than what yao will ever be.
Butler >>>>>> mike james, bob sura, ryan bowen, scott padgett.
Atkins>>>>> david wesely
Chris Mihm >>> Dikembe Mutombo.
I would have trade Odom and butler for Ming anyday!!!
I want Iisah to make a trade for Christmas :(
This is the knicks now, they always make a huge trade before the deadline.
Cudzo
12-23-2005, 12:32 PM
I still think Isiah will try and get Artest, but thats just me.....
Does anyone else think its bogus that on x-mas day, Pistons-Spurs is the undercard to Heat-Lakers ? Especially considering that those two are inferior basketball teams to the Pistons and the Spurs.
Damn maggette is out for another 4 weeks:( But on the brightside from what I've seen Livingston is going to be a freaking superstar!!!!:eek:
Immortalfire
12-23-2005, 10:36 PM
My Hawks beat the 76ers tonight :cool:
Tangled Web
12-23-2005, 10:46 PM
Kobe just can't win can he? If he shoots he's selfish. If he passes, he's crazy.
Go Lakers!
2005-06 Power Rankings: Week 8
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Pistons 22-3 You can look it up: Only one team in NBA history has ever crafted a better 25-game start than Detroit. You guessed it: Bulls, at 23-2, in their 72-win season.
2 (2) Mavericks 20-7 Embarassed as they were by Kobe's 62-pointer, Mavs are 10-1 this month if you throw out that nightmare . . . and Kobe's killer rainbow triple in Dallas on Dec. 12.
3 (3) Spurs 21-7 A loss at Detroit, with Manu missing, isn't the most alarming development, but Spurs' sense of urgency seems to be missing, too. And that shouldn't depend on Manu.
4 (7) Bucks 15-9 This is what you call livin' right: Bucks are 11-2 against the East, 13-1 when they score 100 points or more and 9-0 in games decided by five points or less.
5 (6) Grizzlies 16-9 Make that two impressive team stats: Grizz are off to a 10-4 start against fellow West foes to go with a defense that's still holding the opposition under 86 ppg.
6 (11) Cavaliers 16-9 The new commercials are good, but real life ain't bad for LeBron. Cavs have started winning again (5-0 after a 1-5 start this month) and LBJ turns 21 by week's end.
7 (8) Pacers 15-9 Artest, at his best, will certainly be missed. But it's not all bleak defensively for Pacers, who are one of only three teams holding opponents under 90 ppg.
8 (5) Heat 16-12 After all the Christmas Day hoopla, Heat are 5-2 and averaging 102.1 ppg under Riley. But bigger tests come this week against Bucks (home) and Pistons (road).
9 (13) Lakers 15-12 Whatever happens in the last two games of '05, Lakers will gladly take a 10-win December, given November's woes (5-8) and with only six home games this month.
10 (4) Clippers 16-10 OK. After five straight road defeats, plus the news that Maggette is out at least four more weeks, it appears that the honeymoon period is indeed history.
11 (9) Suns 15-10 Tantalizing as it is to hear Amare is recovering nicely, Suns would settle first for getting Barbosa healthy. They're 2-4 since the little Brazilian reinjured his knee and also lost the game (Clips) in which he went down.
12 (12) Timberwolves 13-11 At 1-5 since a five-game win streak to open the month, Wolves might come to rue their inability to seize upon Denver's struggles and gain some divisional ground.
13 (22) Nets 14-12 He's not going to score 51 every time, but Vince -- averaging 35.4 ppg in this 5-0 spurt -- has to keep playing this way for Nets to offset their size and bench issues.
14 (10) Warriors 14-13 After closing a five-game trip with four double-digit losses, allowing 108.8 ppg in the process, it's safe to say any momentum from the dream start is a memory.
15 (17) 76ers 14-13 After a 6-1 uptick, Team Up And Down has to be a bit worried. Sixers don't come home until Jan. 9 and lost the first of seven straight roadies at ATL despite AI's 53.
16 (15) Hornets 11-15 The crowds have been big and loud, and here's another reason it'll be tough to leave their new digs in OKC: Hornets have already beaten three division leaders at home (Spurs, Clips, Wolves) as well as a virtual leader (Philly).
17 (18) Nuggets 13-14 Yes: Nuggets still want Artest and continue to look for consistency that extends beyond Camby and 'Melo. No: Nuggets don't appear close to either one yet.
18 (14) Bulls 12-14 Bulls had a players-only practice, so we'll let a player comment on Chicago's inconsistency. Says Duhon: "Night in and night out, we don't know what team is going to show up - the horrible team, the mediocre team or the good team."
19 (26) Wizards 11-14 Wiz have made a habit of winning the games you least expect. Add their victories in Denver and Phoenix to the list, after Wiz slipped five games under .500.
20 (25) Celtics 11-14 We've been on Celts plenty for taking so long to win two in a row, but here's the flip side: Boston is one of only five teams this season not to lose three in a row . . . and the other four are all top-tenners: Pistons, Mavs, Spurs and Indy.
21 (16) Rockets 10-15 After winning six one-point games last season, Rockets knew their luck might change. But not this drastically. With Yao out now, T-Mac forced to play hurt and a few more injuries, they've zoomed past unlucky all the way to tortured.
22 (23) Hawks 7-18 Big rematch with Raps, after losing Round 1, comes Wednesday in Toronto. And if Hawks can win two out of three this week, they secure a winning December.
23 (19) Jazz 11-16 You hear Kirilenko is ailing anew and you see Boozer miss another CLE trip and you inevitably wonder if this felt more like Groundhog Day than Christmas in the SLC.
24 (24) SuperSonics 11-14 Conflicts with the city over the future of KeyArena and how long they'll stay are not Supes' only problems in Seattle. They've also played 15 of 25 games at home . . . but have dropped five of the past six there.
25 (21) Kings 10-16 Here's a holiday shout-out to the Arco faithful, who keep filling every seat in the house even though Kings keep losing home games (7-8) and, of greater concern, have started losing starters (Peja and Bonzi).
26 (20) Magic 9-15 Rumbles and grumbles that the venerable Mr. Hill is shooting too much? A pass-first, team-first guy like Grant? I don't believe what I'm hearing.
27 (27) Trail Blazers 8-18 Blazers almost scored 100 twice, then they almost won at Detroit. So maybe Portland was due for a breakthrough, even without the injured D-Miles, when it won at Minny.
28 (30) Raptors 6-21 You can't forget the 1-15 start or ignore the 1-11 record against the West. But it's time to recognize that Raps, like Hawks, are a rather respectable 5-6 this month.
29 (28) Bobcats 8-19 Bobcats did manage to win their first game without the injured Okafor, at Chicago, but don't get carried away. They clearly still need Mek to rush back.
30 (29) Knicks 7-18 That seven-game skid wasn't the longest run of misery in Larry's coaching career -- he lost 13 in a row once -- but it leaves us little choice: Knicks hit bottom.
Super_Ludacris
12-26-2005, 04:21 PM
Detroit beat San Antonio hard last night (no homo). They are for real
Alpha and Omega
12-26-2005, 05:07 PM
I would have trade Odom and butler for Ming anyday!!!
Yao Ming would do well under Phil Jackson and that triangle offense.
Im going to the Clips vs. Kings tonight!!!:) So expect some kids of tonights game:D
Cudzo
12-27-2005, 02:49 PM
Did any of you here about what Pat Riley was complaining about? I heard him trying to say that Shaq is getting manhandled or something, making some reference about needing a sumo wrestler for him to practice against becuase of the way people play against him
You know he's just saying this cuase he is goin to play the pistons this week
Did any of you here about what Pat Riley was complaining about? I heard him trying to say that Shaq is getting manhandled or something, making some reference about needing a sumo wrestler for him to practice against becuase of the way people play against him
You know he's just saying this cuase he is goin to play the pistons this week
Yea I read something like that.
Unthinkable
12-27-2005, 02:55 PM
Did any of you here about what Pat Riley was complaining about? I heard him trying to say that Shaq is getting manhandled or something, making some reference about needing a sumo wrestler for him to practice against becuase of the way people play against him
You know he's just saying this cuase he is goin to play the pistons this week
Its not that he was really complaining or anything... Shaq really isn't in shape because he was out for so long. Once he gets back in shape, he'll be fine. Go Pistons. :up:
Here's the story on the sumo wrestler comment:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2271629
Damn I just came back from The Staples Center, HOw the hell did the Clippers get blown out at home against the Last place Kings???!!!! THey didnt even have Bonzi Wells, Or Stoyokavic???!!! :rolleyes: We need to get Maggette back quick!!!.
Alpha and Omega
12-28-2005, 02:40 AM
Damn I just came back from The Staples Center, HOw the hell did the Clippers get blown out at home against the Last place Kings???!!!! THey didnt even have Bonzi Wells, Or Stoyokavic???!!! :rolleyes: We need to get Maggette back quick!!!.
R U serious. The Clippers are in first place right? Sacremento!! I'm about to go watch Sportscenter. I really don't even watch actual B-ball games until King NFL has ended. Sportscenter is a lifesaver.
Super_Ludacris
12-28-2005, 06:18 AM
Damn I just came back from The Staples Center, HOw the hell did the Clippers get blown out at home against the Last place Kings???!!!! THey didnt even have Bonzi Wells, Or Stoyokavic???!!! :rolleyes: We need to get Maggette back quick!!!.
I read somewhere that he was out for the year:confused:
Alpha and Omega
12-28-2005, 06:33 AM
I read somewhere that he was out for the year:confused:
This would be heartbreaking if it wasn't the Clippers. They're pretty much used to losing. Way of Life. Huh, Must be Lyfe. . . and you know the rest.
That might possibly be their official swan song.
Super_Ludacris
12-28-2005, 06:38 AM
lol Harsh
*waits for the LA fans to catch feelings*
Alpha and Omega
12-28-2005, 06:48 AM
lol Harsh
*waits for the LA fans to catch feelings*
and that will be the only thing they probably catch. . . IOW, they won't catch the postseason.
OHHH and Nick Van Exel thought that this was the year!!!. . . No for real he did . . .for the umteenth time!!! New Team, Same Story, No Heart, No Glory!!!
In spring he'll catch games the same as everyone else. . . . on ESPN, and TNT.
Don't think I'm spewing hatred, he can ball. He just needs to find an agent who can land him on a team worthy of being called just that. . . you know one that is unselfish, can play D, and isn't in the newspapers.
His beef could never be w/ me. Snapper Jones (ESPN Analyst) said that Nick Van Exel was a 'Walmart' Allen Iverson. Now THAT is is mean!!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif
I read somewhere that he was out for the year:confused:
No, he will be back Late Jan.:o
This would be heartbreaking if it wasn't the Clippers. They're pretty much used to losing. Way of Life. Huh, Must be Lyfe. . . and you know the rest.
That might possibly be their official swan song.
Well, were still only a half game back of first place.:o But like I said we need to get Maggette Back now!!!
Jplaya2023
12-29-2005, 04:17 AM
FIYA NBA Rankings #7
Rank
Team
FIYA Analysis
1
Pistons
They'll have more wins this season than Ben Wallace will have made 15 footers. Count on it.
2
Spurs
Bruce Bowen needs to be kidnapped, drugged, locked in a crate and shipped straight to hell.
3
Mavs
Keith Van Horn: 15.7 million…Erick Dampier: 7.6 million…Josh Howard: 873 thousand and some blame in June. Wonderful.
4
Cavs
That's right, 'Bron. Put on a show in winter and fold in spring. We've seen your act before.
5
Grizzlies
Pau can dunk on Shaq and punch Tiny Lister in the face and *****s will still call him soft. He's feeding off the hate, people.
6
Suns
I think Boris Diaw got hypnotized into thinking he good…ya know, like Jimmy Walker in Uptown Saturday Night.
7
Clippers
Maggs' foot got Frankie Muniz and Billy Crystal shook. They know this is their chance.
8
Pacers
Bird says he feels betrayed by Ron Artest. He got a lotta damn nerve. Call your daughter, you piece of ****!
CALL YOUR GODDAMN DAUGHTER!
9
Bucks
A source in the Bucks front office revealed that Anthony Mason called and offered to play for free. However, as soon as the team showed interest he asked for a maximum contract. ****in' Mase, man. He'll never learn.
10
Heat
The Pistons are not afraid of you, Pat. If it comes down to Ben's fro and your slickback…please.
11
Nets
When Vince wants people to know he's still the best dunker in the world and a top 10 player, Vince lets people know. Period.
12
Lakers
Kwame's back, y'all. Yup, that explains it.
13
76ers
Shavlik Randolph credits his newfound toughness to Coach K, who informed Shav over the phone last month that he wouldn't get him anymore roster spots, so he'd better make the most of this chance and help get his dad out of that mountain of debt before his mom is selling herself all over Raleigh. Coach K...master motivator.
14
T-Wolves
Any copies of Troy Hudson's CD would be greatly appreciated. (http://www.fiyastarter.com/fs-gfx/fs-t-hud.GIF)
15
Nuggets
24 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists. Too bad he was drafted the same year as LeBron and Wade. He's such a disappointment because of it.
16
Warriors
Mike Dunleavy Jr. says he's struggling because he's unsure about his role in the offense. Mike, lemme explain it for you. When you get the ball…SHOOT IT! Baron and J-Rich got no problems doing it, so I don't see why you do. There's no protocol. **** them. Shoot the ball.
17
Sonics
If Reggie Evans and Danny Fortson played one-on-one, there'd be about 24 baskets (16 by Danny) and 4032 rebounds (split evenly).
18
Jazz
Booz gets back this week. LMAO…what a *****.
19
Wizards
As you read this, know that Gilbert Arenas just shot a basketball.
20
Bulls
Mike "King of 48 minute prorated stats" Sweetney had all y'all dumb ass Bulls fans fooled. GOOD! He fat and he's gonna stay fat. Deal with it.
21
Rockets
A source close to the Rockets recently informed me that Yao's injury is not as serious as has been indicated. It's believed that Yao is faking the injury to let McGrady learn how it feels to carry that group of scrubs for a month.
22
Magic
Steve Francis needs to check the garbage and find his game.
23
Celtics
In his time as starting center, Kendrick Perkins has proven the following: He's fat. He's dumb. Ainge ****ed up. Again.
24
Hornets
David West thinks someone cares. Please. *****, you still sorry. Try hard all you want. You sorry.
25
Kings
Asked he's disappointed with the team's play so far, a befuddled Bonzi Wells responded, "What? Disa…who? Man, I'm having a great time! I get all the shots I want. I ain't gotta listen to nobody. Nobody don't bother me. This all I ever wanted since I been in the league. I'm really at peace, man. It's beautiful."
26
Blazers
I think it should be mandatory for every arena to play a clip of the dueling banjos from Deliverance everytime Steve Blake dishes out an assist.
27
Bobcats
When asked if he's satisfied with the progress of Emeka Okafor, a relaxed Bernie Bickerstaff offered: "Y'all mutha****as gon' make me punch one y'all dead in the face. Keep trying me. That's all for today."
29
Hawks
As you read this, know that Salim Stoudamire just shot a basketball.
26
Knicks
Responding to the recent booing he's been receiving at MSG, an unapologetic Marbury released the following statement: "Dear fans, I got my family out of the projects. I used to sleep on the ****ing floor. My mom used to cry her self to sleep at night, thinking of ways to take care of us. Now, I make 15 mil a year. So, please just be patient. Good things come to those who wait. I'm living proof of that. **** you all for your support, you bagel eating *****es."
30
Raptors
Charlie Villanueava's eyebrows and beard were last seen cheering in the stands everytime he scored a basket against Houston.
Alpha and Omega
12-29-2005, 04:23 AM
The wizards at 19? Under the Jazz? I want a recount! something smells fishy!!
Wrath
12-29-2005, 05:26 AM
Don't know a lot about Basketball (I am a footy fan, English Footy that is) but have begun to follow the Suns since I was in Arizona a year or so ago. That Steve Nash is quite the dynamo.
Babs Gordon
12-29-2005, 06:53 AM
oh snap wrath you're here too!?! :up: :up: :up: yay!
Super_Ludacris
12-29-2005, 10:06 AM
who?
Wrath
12-29-2005, 10:33 AM
oh snap wrath you're here too!?! :up: :up: :up: yay!
Originally Posted by Lobo
Hey Wrath :)
Hey peeps.
I had an account here a while back under "Wrath of Khan" ages ago. Can't access it now, playing silly buggers. Only a hundred posts on it anyways.
I like it here especially for this icon: :ghost:
Smokin'
Eyeballing
12-29-2005, 09:02 PM
The warriors have the talent, they just have hit a wall and they're not playing well right now, but its only been 25+ games i think they can turn it around.
Yes they have talent and I have to admit I am liking J Rich much more than I used to, he has worked hard in the off season inspired by the acuasition of B Davis and he seems to not force as many plays and make as many mistakes. That being said, it seems like they are half the new team that we say earlier this season and half the old warriors which we have seen more of lately.
They have Mike Dunleavy jr. who is sorely playing under his potential, he should be averaging at least 6 more ppg if not 10 more ppg he could easily be grabbing 2 more rpg being that he's 6'9" and he could be getting at least 2 more apg. Not to mention he is shooting the 3 ball horribly, .250% this season, I could do better than that, I'm being serious too. For being the 3rd over all draft pick and a Duke product he simply isn't living up to expectations. But then again maybe I am too hard on the kid, it is a lot to ask to play good NBA basketball.
Then They are weak at Center, don't get me wrong Foyle is a decent hustle hard playing center, but he isn't the type of center that is going to get it done for them. J-Rich, Davis and Murphy are the three mainstays of their team, Foyle is a good fourth but Dunleavy jr. is stinking up the court this season. Fisher is a great back up pg tp have, Cheaney has his moments, Pietrus I am almost as dissapointed with him as I am with Dunleavy Jr. except for the fact that he is two years younger and did not grow up here in the states playing basketball for the major universities (not that it is a negative).
Diogu, still young and fresh so we will see what comes from him in a couple of years same with Taft Ellis and Miles, Cabarkapa will hopefully come around in a year or two same with Biedrins.
That being said you still put them above the Heat, which is ridiculous. The Cavs equally ridiculous as well as the Pacers, Bucks and Lakers. Now I know this was a week or two ago. So I'll give you the Lakers but as for the rest of those teams the Warriors were not better than them, maybe as good as some of them, like the Bucks or Pacers at the time. But better than they were not.
Don't get me wrong like I said I am from the bay area and they are my team and have been for years but they are a team coming into their own this season. Hopefully they make the playoffs for the first time in more than a decade but they may even be hard pressed to do that if the Rockets, Sonics, Kings and Nuggets get it together.
Here are my top 16 teams around the league
EAST
1. Pistions (no doubts, no questions)
2. Heat (Wade, Shaq and now Riley nuff said)
3. Bucks (playing great basketball right now playing hard every game)
4. Pacers (minus Artest but still a solid all around squad with a good coach)
5. Cavs (simply for the lack of playoff experience is why they are 5)
6. Nets (kidd slowing down, Carter determined to play hard and Richardson doing his usual)
7. 76ers (Iverson, will he ever make it back to the finals? I hope so)
8. Washington (simply here by default)
Teams on the Rise:
Orlando may be coming together with the return of Hill, but will Francis keep playing well enought to push them back into playoff contention?
WEST
1. San Antonio (as dominating in the west as Pistions are in the East, finals rematch? Different outcome?)
2. Dallas (can they dethrone the Spurs this year?)
3. Phoenix (Amare, take your time they will need you 100% come playoffs)
4. Memphis (Allowing an NBA low of 86.8 ppg, could they pull a major upset this year in the playoffs?)
5. Clippers (starting to show signs of slowing?)
6. Lakers (above .500 now, but how many times will Kobe have to drop 60+?)
7. Warriors (#1 in the Pacific for the first time since 96, wish it would have lasted longer)
8. Timberwolves (KG 22.1ppg 1st, 10.7rpg 1st, 5apg 2nd, 1.38 spg 2nd, 1.42bpg 2nd 54.048 FG% 1st, 75.817 FT% 4th, does this kid have to do everything himself?)
Teams on the Rise:
Can Denver put it togther and regain their playoff spot, I would think so but hopefully for my Warriors they don't. Sonics and Kings show signs of being playoff caliber teams but they more often display the reasons why they're not.
Alpha and Omega
12-29-2005, 09:13 PM
They have Mike Dunleavy jr. who is sorely playing under his potential, he should be averaging at least 6 more ppg if not 10 more ppg he could easily be grabbing 2 more rpg being that he's 6'9" and he could be getting at least 2 more apg. Not to mention he is shooting the 3 ball horribly, .250% this season, I could do better than that, I'm being serious too. For being the 3rd over all draft pick and a Duke product he simply isn't living up to expectations. But then again maybe I am too hard on the kid, it is a lot to ask to play good NBA basketball. - Eyeballing
How many Duke players have had strong NBA careers? :confused:
Eyeballing
12-29-2005, 09:15 PM
They have Mike Dunleavy jr. who is sorely playing under his potential, he should be averaging at least 6 more ppg if not 10 more ppg he could easily be grabbing 2 more rpg being that he's 6'9" and he could be getting at least 2 more apg. Not to mention he is shooting the 3 ball horribly, .250% this season, I could do better than that, I'm being serious too. For being the 3rd over all draft pick and a Duke product he simply isn't living up to expectations. But then again maybe I am too hard on the kid, it is a lot to ask to play good NBA basketball. - Eyeballing
How many Duke players have had strong NBA careers? :confused:
How many Duke players have gone pro?
Alpha and Omega
12-29-2005, 09:25 PM
A few, but the only one you consistently hear anything about is Elton Brand. . .maybe sometimes Corey Magette.
I think Coach K's philosophy is great for college, but is a double-edged sword because it kind of cripples them for the next level.
Alpha and Omega
12-29-2005, 09:25 PM
A few, but the only one you consistently hear anything about is Elton Brand. . .maybe sometimes Corey Magette.
I think Coach K's philosophy is great for college, but is a double-edged sword because it kind of cripples them for the next level.
I'm sorry for the double post.
Assassin
12-29-2005, 09:41 PM
whatta game pistons up by 5 17 sec left
Assassin
12-29-2005, 09:44 PM
whatta game pistons win by 5
Assassin
12-29-2005, 09:46 PM
24 and 3 Baby!
Raseed with 4, 3 pters, lol thats what he gets for missing that last one on game 7
The Incredible Hulk
12-29-2005, 09:56 PM
D-troit Basketball!
Alpha and Omega
12-29-2005, 10:02 PM
It might be there year. We won't know until closer to the postseason. That's when the Spurs actually start to care.
Assassin
12-30-2005, 05:50 AM
I hate how no media gives a damn, there still talking about Kobie and Labron...
The only ppl that deserve to be looked at right now besides the pistons are Miami, Shaq and Wade (steel and flash) are a good team. when the pistons reign is over, I expect wade to have a championship or two under his belt
Alpha and Omega
12-30-2005, 05:53 AM
He legitimately has two years left w/ Shaq, before he starts to lose his dominance. Then D'wade is on his own. . .kinda like Kobe now.
Assassin
12-30-2005, 06:04 AM
why, wheres shaq gonna go??
u actually think he'll go to another team?
Alpha and Omega
12-30-2005, 06:22 AM
why, wheres shaq gonna go??
u actually think he'll go to another team?
he's in his mid-30's! As he ages, his metabolism, old injuries, the gruesome schedule of the league, and up and coming stars will test him; eventually he will fall. Hopefully he's smart, and he retires on top, but I doubt TD & co. or the Big Ben, Rip, and their squad want that to happen.
Basically he'll probably retire man.:( Henceforth, the clock is ticking D. Wade.
Assassin
12-30-2005, 06:30 AM
i dont think detroit will split up any time soon, i thing the core players will retire pistons like isaih, dumars, lambear and the rest of the badboys
non of the ppl on the team are greedy, except sheed and i think he;ll retire in 2 years or less, as a piston or a 76er
Assassin
12-30-2005, 06:31 AM
eww u like inuahsya
Alpha and Omega
12-30-2005, 06:33 AM
What are you talking about?
Assassin
12-30-2005, 06:36 AM
stop doing that dude, im tired as it is, stop making me feel like i'm going insane
Alpha and Omega
12-30-2005, 06:48 AM
who are you?
Assassin
12-30-2005, 06:51 AM
Your mother
Alpha and Omega
12-30-2005, 06:56 AM
Your mother
No, I don't think so.
Back on subject, My father's from the Michigan area, and he's a Detroit fan. Last year's game 7 wasn't so good for him. If you're right, he'll have a happy season. Detroit w/ a ring. The way they're playing right now, they want the homecourt advantage.
Assassin
12-30-2005, 06:58 AM
Yea..maybe
Redwings are gonna win too, i'm more excited about them since i had 2 years of pistons playoffs
Assassin
12-30-2005, 06:59 AM
g'nite
Super_Ludacris
12-30-2005, 07:10 AM
So who did everyone vote for for the all-star game
Alpha and Omega
12-30-2005, 07:12 AM
Kobe. 62 in 3 quarters? That's crazy.
Eyeballing
12-30-2005, 11:58 AM
I hate how no media gives a damn, there still talking about Kobie and Labron...
The only ppl that deserve to be looked at right now besides the pistons are Miami, Shaq and Wade (steel and flash) are a good team. when the pistons reign is over, I expect wade to have a championship or two under his belt
Umm you do know how the media in our country works right? Whatever is flashy, big, bright, outlandish and so on are the head line grabbers. People don't like teams like the Pistons or Spurs because they play good smart basketball. Not flashy loud ball. They just play the game right and win games.
Also talking about people that DESERVE to be looked at, the Spurs have been playing their game long before Detroit re-emerged as a basketball powerhouse. And the Clippers obviously deserve some media attention now that they are out of the sub .500 abyss.
Assassin
12-30-2005, 11:38 PM
Umm you do know how the media in our country works right? Whatever is flashy, big, bright, outlandish and so on are the head line grabbers. People don't like teams like the Pistons or Spurs because they play good smart basketball. Not flashy loud ball. They just play the game right and win games.
Also talking about people that DESERVE to be looked at, the Spurs have been playing their game long before Detroit re-emerged as a basketball powerhouse. And the Clippers obviously deserve some media attention now that they are out of the sub .500 abyss.
I know how it is, i said i hated it:up:
Clippers are the kings 2 years ago..good but wont go anywhere
I know how it is, i said i hated it:up:
Clippers are the kings 2 years ago..good but wont go anywhere
Hey Ill settle for the playoffs at this point:o If they lose to the ****ing Celtics at home tommorow im going to rip off my new Nike/Clipper Knock off Hat!!!:mad:
Assassin
12-30-2005, 11:49 PM
I coulda swore u were a pistons fan last season
I coulda swore u were a pistons fan last season
Last year I wasnt a fan of Basketball PERIOD! What Kobe ****ing did to my lakers last year made me sick of him and THE NBA!!! It isnt until now where Im finally starting to get back to my old love "Basketball":)
Cyclops
12-31-2005, 12:00 AM
Okay, so who thinks that Kobe needs to grow the **** up?
Assassin
12-31-2005, 12:15 AM
i think he should quit, retire, die, what ever
i think he should quit, retire, die, what ever
Why??? I know Kobe is an ass like 75% of NBA Players but there's no question Kobe got Game!!!:o
Assassin
12-31-2005, 12:23 AM
yea but he needs to go away
Cyclops
12-31-2005, 12:25 AM
Kobe's more of an ass than most though. That obviously deliberate elbow he threw into that guy's face was just going way too far.
yea but he needs to go away
I hope you dont mean go away to Colorado:o :eek: :ghost:
Kobe's more of an ass than most though. That obviously deliberate elbow he threw into that guy's face was just going way too far.
I completly disagree! No would give a ***** if Slavo Medvendko throw an elbom at someone. Kobe is being watched under a microscope ever since his "rape trial" Besides I can name 10 NBA player off the top of my head who are bigger assess than Kobe:o
Alpha and Omega
12-31-2005, 12:37 AM
I completly disagree! No would give a ***** if Slavo Medvendko throw an elbom at someone. Kobe is being watched under a microscope ever since his "rape trial" Besides I can name 10 NBA player off the top of my head who are bigger assess than Kobe:o
FYI: Kobe's rape trial was the only highly publicized one, because of who he was.
No one mentioned Jerry Stackhouse's sexual assault case.
Shaq had a case against him that was quieted. Things of this nature are usually covered up in sports, because big business and revenue are on the line.
Kobe's arrogant, and that's annoying, but at least he's talented.
62 in 3 quarters? Are you serious?
Assassin
12-31-2005, 12:41 AM
of course he gets 62 pts, he doesnt pass, even Odim cant get no love
of course he gets 62 pts, he doesnt pass, even Odim cant get no love
Jordan used to due that on a daily basis back in his day:o Of course no one remembers it because they won 6 championships.
Assassin
12-31-2005, 12:48 AM
but I actually liked jorden :P
Alpha and Omega
12-31-2005, 12:49 AM
of course he gets 62 pts, he doesnt pass, even Odim cant get no love
Odom?? I wouldn't pass if I didn't have an ACCEPTABLE teammate to pass to. I'll agree w/ you when you explain why a person who is 6'10" is uncomfortable posting up on the block. He can take people off of the dribble, but as soon as it's time to post, Here's Lamar w/ another kick-out to beyond the arc. . . . at least there's hope w/ Kwame.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
I'm not saying he's a team player, but people always say the same BS about Allen Iverson. If he had a team, he would pass more as well.
Eyeballing
12-31-2005, 04:01 AM
Last year I wasnt a fan of Basketball PERIOD! What Kobe ****ing did to my lakers last year made me sick of him and THE NBA!!! It isnt until now where Im finally starting to get back to my old love "Basketball":)
If you REALLY just LOVE to watch basketball, then why the hell are you watching the NBA? The NBA is horrible these days. College or International Basketball is where it's at. Even better, highschool. Players at those level play because they love the game and play hard. Sure, some play to sign a contract or go to a big college or to come over here from overseas, but no where near the amount that play in the NBA just to get a paycheck.
Not that there aren't players or teams still left in the NBA that play for the love of it, but how many are there compared to 10 years ago? or even 20? Not many. I would say the Pistons, Spurs are the two obvious choices. Suns and Mavs I would throw in there as well. I am talking as a team, not most of the team or part of the team.
I doubt if many teams today could match up with teams of years past. I just think that players in sports in general played a lot harder than many do today. Take Carmello for example. When he and Lebron came into the league they were pretty much even. Now look where they are, sure Carmello has been to the playoffs, twice and Lebron hasn't once. But tell me who you would rather have on your team?
And who is the better player now? No questions about it, it's lebron. It seems like he has worked each year and off season to improve and make himself better, not for a contract, not for money (since he already is worth $58+ million, after taxes). Just simply to be better and make it to the playoffs.
Now take Carmello, he has improved, yes but the disparity now between Mello and James is far more drastic then ever it has been. My personal opinion, and this is just my opinion. Mello just doesn't really care. Sure he cares, but he obviously doesn't care enough to work hard in the off season like Lebron does, he just seems like your typical gifted player that has reached the point he is at with hard work and is happy with where he is at.
I am sure many of you will attack me and say things such as "How do you know how hard Mello works!" "Do you watch him train?" and so on. My reply is simple, watch him in a game. He just seems like he does what he does, is satisfied with it and gets paid.
Of course Mello isn't the only one and I am not picking on him, I am just using him as an example of how MANY athletes today are a sad comparison of the athletes of yester year.
Eyeballing
12-31-2005, 04:02 AM
Jordan used to due that on a daily basis back in his day:o Of course no one remembers it because they won 6 championships.
Hence, he stopped doing it so they COULD win 6 championships. :rolleyes:
Eyeballing
12-31-2005, 04:04 AM
I completly disagree! No would give a ***** if Slavo Medvendko throw an elbom at someone. Kobe is being watched under a microscope ever since his "rape trial" Besides I can name 10 NBA player off the top of my head who are bigger assess than Kobe:o
NAME THEM :D
Alpha and Omega
12-31-2005, 04:45 AM
Anyone can do that.
Ron Artest, Gerald Wallace, Vince Carter - he sold out the Raptors; I don't blame him, but intentionally throwing games is pretty low,
Jalen Rose
Michael Olowakandi - for wanting more money when he does nothing
Gary Payton - for still believing he hasn't lost a step; IMO I say he's lost two.
Kwame Brown - for punching Brendan Haywood (ex-teammate) when Haywood was trying to help him w/ his game.
Jason Kidd - he repeatedly disses Detroit. When is the last time NJ was even a legitimate threat in the East? He's great, but he has no respect.
Antoine Walker - He constantly complains about money. When does he show up in the playoffs?
Paul Pierce - He reportedly questioned why he's never considered for MVP??
Personally, I've never met Kobe, but he can score, and I think w/ a few more acquistions, a team can be built around him. He needs a better 4 or 5.
That wasn't an info to bring up the Phil, Shaq, Kobe debacle either. The past is dead.
Super_Ludacris
12-31-2005, 04:48 AM
You say this and Kobe gets suspended 2 games for intentionally elbowing Mike Miller in the throat because he was (as he said it) "Trying to send a message". He's a chump
Alpha and Omega
12-31-2005, 04:53 AM
You say this and Kobe gets suspended 2 games for intentionally elbowing Mike Miller in the throat because he was (as he said it) "Trying to send a message". He's a chump
Yeah. I won't argue w/ that. Intentionally trying to hurt someone is unacceptable. I know people become frustrated, but that's no excuse. Hopefully he'll pay an exhorbitant fine so the lesson w/ hit home.
I think he's more of a punk for who he did it to. He didn't pick somebody who would put his face into the hardwood. . . .
Big Ben, Larry Hughes, someone who's name shall not be mentioned: 32, and others.
Irregardless, chalk L.A.'s next 2 up as losses.:)
Super_Ludacris
12-31-2005, 04:55 AM
Did you just see his reaction to the suspension lol. He is a dick! lol
Alpha and Omega
12-31-2005, 04:58 AM
Did you just see his reaction to the suspension lol. He is a dick! lol
I think he really just wanted time off to hang out at home w/ the Mrs. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
He threw a temper-tantrum, and every media outlet screwed him. . . deservedly so.
Maybe he'll grow up, but that still doesn't take away from his talent. Like I said.
LA's next two W L
0 2
Hence, he stopped doing it so they COULD win 6 championships. :rolleyes:
They were games in the finals where Jodan just carried his entire team on his shoulders!!!:cool:
NAME THEM :D
Glen Robinson, Rafer Alston, Kenyon Martin, Ron Artest, Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, NeNe, Desawn Stevenson, Eddie Griffin, Everyone ON THE PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS! etc...
Assassin
12-31-2005, 08:32 PM
That reminds me, wtf ever happend to larry johnson?
Eyeballing
12-31-2005, 09:04 PM
They were games in the finals where Jodan just carried his entire team on his shoulders!!!:cool:
Whoa wait a minute, now were talking the finals? A regular season game is not the playoffs, let alone a FINALS CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. You know damn good and well that you do what it takes to win in a championship game. And tell me how many times did Jordan drop 60 or more in a CHAMPIONSHIP GAME?
Out of the 6 Finals series they were in somewhere around 35 or more finals championship games, I think more often than not, Jordan shared the ball.
Eyeballing
12-31-2005, 09:04 PM
Glen Robinson, Rafer Alston, Kenyon Martin, Ron Artest, Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, NeNe, Desawn Stevenson, Eddie Griffin, Everyone ON THE PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS! etc...
So you're telling me those guys are bigger ***** than Kobe? I mean a guy who basically was willing to sell anyone out on his team either by lie or truth?
So you're telling me those guys are bigger ***** than Kobe? I mean a guy who basically was willing to sell anyone out on his team either by lie or truth?
Everyone who has been associated with the Portland traiblazers the last 5 years have sold out there own teammates and more....
How the **** are going to get blown out again at home this time to the Celtics:( :mad: I dont know what the **** happening to my team:(
Eyeballing
01-01-2006, 04:12 AM
Everyone who has been associated with the Portland traiblazers the last 5 years have sold out there own teammates and more....
Not to the extent that Kobe has or did.
Alpha and Omega
01-01-2006, 04:27 AM
Not to the extent that Kone has or did.
What did he (Kobe) do to you?
If the guy is a jerk, let the LAL's organization and front office deal w/ it.
A lot of athlete's are probably spoiled and arrogant. So what!
Let him live his life, and don't waste yours by worrying about what someone you obviously dislike is doing.
I don't think he's worrying about what you or I are doing.
Athlete's are great at their profession, but why does everyone expect them to automatically have great personalities and feign perfection?
He's imperfect like you and I.
Tangled Web
01-01-2006, 04:37 AM
Baron Davis is freaking awesome.
Super_Ludacris
01-01-2006, 04:59 PM
This isn't NBA but it is basketball related
I was out last night for New Year's but I caught the replay of last night's NCAA game between Arizona and Washington State today. Damn!!!! that was a good ass game. Brandon Roy's 2 buzzer beaters in the double overtime game were crazy! And that game was close. Arizona was lucky to win by just one point.
U.S War Machine
01-01-2006, 09:51 PM
Give the spurs another championship
Alpha and Omega
01-01-2006, 09:56 PM
Give the spurs another championship
Finals: Spurs vs Detroit
Winner? Either one in game 7.
Eyeballing
01-02-2006, 02:06 PM
Give the spurs another championship
Really? Umm what's the name of that one team? Oh, yeah the Pistons, they have to get by them first. I doubt that anyone knocks off those two teams, I would feel pretty comfortable putting a bet down right now that it is the Spurs vs. the Pistons in the final, as a matter of fact I think I'll go do that right now.
The only team that scares me are the Mavs.
2005-06 Power Rankings: Week 9
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Pistons 24-4 Can't quite call it a devastating defeat in Cleveland. It means Pistons are only on a 70-12 pace now, six games ahead of their nearest East chaser.
2 (3) Spurs 24-7 Now that Manu is back, after Spurs went 7-3 without him, we can proceed to the next big issue. Our official position: Duncan shouldn't have shaved his head.
3 (2) Mavericks 22-8 Blowing a lead at home to Golden State was uncharacteristically bad. Getting Stack back to deepen a bench that was already deep softens the blow.
4 (13) Nets 17-12 Happy New Year? The league's hottest team -- no one has an active win streak close to this eight-gamer -- would be even happier if it didn't have to wait until Friday for its next game. A scheduling quirk means a full week off to interrupt Nets' flow.
5 (6) Cavaliers 18-10 A month that couldn't have started in much worse fashion (1-5) was capped with the ultimate flourish: LeBron's 21st birthday and a victory over Detroit. Cavs' only loss since Dec. 13 was inflicted by slightly hotter Nets.
6 (11) Suns 19-10 Best of both worlds: Amare is traveling with the team again ... and Suns are 4-0 on a five-game trip to make it clear that there's no need for him to rush back.
7 (8) Heat 19-13 On one hand, Heat can take encouragement from their showing in Detroit, given how early it is in Riley's second reign. On the other hand, Pistons never really looked like they were going to lose that one. Did they?
8 (5) Grizzlies 19-10 That elbow Miller took from Kobe can't compare to these painful realities: Damon is lost for the season and Bobby Jax (hamstring) missed eight games in December.
9 (14) Warriors 17-14 As rough as their last road trip proved, dragging these November darlings all the way back to .500, the sight of Warriors coming from behind to win at Dallas is as impressive as anything we saw from these guys in the first month.
10 (4) Bucks 16-11 Routed in Orlando ... and they lose T.J., too? The committee (of one) actually does feel a bit guilty after making such a fuss about how Bucks have been livin' right.
11 (7) Pacers 15-12 You can rationalize road losses to Cavs, Mavs and Spurs. But when Pacers lose at home to Raps, you have to start asking if they're losing focus waiting for a trade.
12 (10) Clippers 17-12 Yup. Starting a comfy stretch (nine of 11 at home) with two heavy defeats to sub-.500 teams (Kings and Celts) means the honeymoon period is definitely gonzo.
13 (23) Jazz 15-16 On second thought, maybe life is starting to brighten for the only team out there that can claim victories over Detroit and Dallas. After all, Jazz are 13-8 when Kirilenko is healthy, as he is now ... compared to just 2-8 without him.
14 (9) Lakers 15-15 It wasn't so long ago that December seemed like such a joyous month in Lakerland. Now? L.A. could be under .500 by the time Kobe is back from his two-game cooldown.
15 (15) 76ers 15-15 If current form holds, Sixers probably won't mind an upcoming schedule that doesn't have them facing an East foe until Jan. 13. They're 8-4 against the West.
16 (25) Magic 12-15 Three straight wins. Three straight games of 100-plus points for a team that doesn't average 90. Maybe the grumblers realized Grant's return is a good thing.
17 (12) Timberwolves 14-14 Remember when I wrote that Wolves need Artest to keep KG from getting discouraged? Judging by this KG quote, they'd better hurry: ''I don't make decisions around here. I guess I've just got to live with it till the summer gets here.''
18 (16) Hornets 12-17 West's steady improvement and Paul's ongoing progress can't mask the fact that the season is getting tougher for these underdogs: 7-7 in November, 5-10 in December.
19 (19) Wizards 12-16 Wiz are 3-2 since Butler became a starter. That said, Wiz were 3-0 with Butler as a starter before surrendering 232 points in home losses to Phoenix and Miami.
20 (17) Nuggets 14-17 Maybe the plan is sinking all the way to 17-25, like last season, and then surging to 32-8 finish that makes Furious George look like twice the genius.
21 (25) Kings 12-17 It's no fun picking on a good guy like Reef, but facts are facts: Kings are 2-0 without him -- with Bibby posting back-to-back games of 30-plus points after just one game in the 30s before Sacto lost Reef, Bonzi and Peja.
22 (24) SuperSonics 13-16 Sonics haven't been over .500 yet. Of course, it's a wonder they've gotten close with the NBA's most porous D (104.9 ppg allowed) and worst FG D (49.7 percent).
23 (18) Bulls 12-17 Bulls and Sonics were the teams we pegged for likely slippage and suddenly Chicago is slipping faster: Six straight losses, resulting in a 5-11 December, and down to No. 12 in FG defense (No. 1 last season, remember).
24 (20) Celtics 12-17 This will probably only serve to make teams more interested in trying to trade for him -- especially when Artest relinquishes top spot in the speculation game -- but Pierce has never looked better. Has he?
25 (27) Trail Blazers 10-20 Is it really this simple? As young and shorthanded as they are without D-Miles, Blazers are 8-4 when Randolph scores at least 20 points. Then again ... shouldn't Zach be scoring in the 20s more regularly?
26 (21) Rockets 10-18 Remember all those nasty things folks said about Yao when Rockets went 0-8 with T-Mac out? It's getting closer to apology time: Houston is just 1-5 when Yao is hurt.
27 (28) Raptors 8-22 The 7-7 record since a 1-15 start? Pleasantly surprising. Six wins on the road and just two at home? Perplexing is a good word.
28 (29) Bobcats 10-20 It only seems as though Bobcats are playing better without Okafor. A better theory: Charlotte found a good time to see slumping Chicago twice in a short span.
29 (22) Hawks 7-21 Before a couple of narrow Ls last week, Hawks were actually 5-1 when leading with five minutes to go. The problem, of course, is getting those late leads more often.
30 (29) Knicks 7-21 Can't say it any more bluntly than Professor Hollinger did the other day: ''Has there ever been a team in any sport that spent more to accomplish less?'' Knicks' payroll, remember, approaches $120 million . . . not including the coach.
Eyeballing
01-02-2006, 04:52 PM
WOW nets at 4? Well they are hot, but a #4 power team? I would put them at 8, I know how incredibly hot they are right now, but that's just it they're hot not a great team.
If they continue to play this well, maybe not going on 7 or 8 game win streaks but play above consistently above .500 ball for another week, then I can see #4 being justified, but to suddenly bump them above. The Cavs, Heat, Girzz, and Suns is a little high of a jump.
Jplaya2023
01-03-2006, 12:49 AM
FIYA NBA Rankings #8
Rank
Team
FIYA Analysis
1
Pistons
They lost a game and then went back to the lockerroom and laughed for an hour about how good they are.
2
Spurs
When asked why he refuses to start Manu Ginobli, Coach Popovich admitted, "Well, because he has the best skin on the team and I'm jealous."
3
Mavs
There's nothing anyone can say to convince me that The Dirtbag Boys (Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels) don't have weed parties monthly.
4
Grizzlies
All jokes aside, this team plays the right way…because they aren't coached by Larry ****ing Brown.
5
Suns
Steve Nash throws more alley-oops than I did on NBA Live '98 (aka the last good Live game EA put out). Yeah, Steve's incredible.
6
Heat
They had their chance to make a statement against the Pistons and they choked like Greg Norman eating a toasted PB&J on the back nine at Augusta.
7
Cavs
LeBron celebrated his 21st birthday by looking 15 years older than he actually is (Sorry, but that dude got Otis Nixon's disease).
8
Nets
Anyone who still can't admit that Vince Carter is the best dunker of all-time needs to take that cheese out their eyes and stop ignoring Juanita when she tells their cheesy ass to take out the trash.
9
Bucks
Toni Kukoc was born in 1968. Ervin Johnson was born in 1967. These men are old. Why are they still playing? Why not just bring back Robert Parrish? I don't like watching people who were alive when Jimi Hendrix was alive. It's eerie.
10
Pacers
With Ron Artest no longer standing in the way, one has to wonder why Steal O' The Draft, Danny Granger hasn't stepped up for the Pacers. Oh, I know. Because he some bull****.
11
Warriors
Does Adonal Foyle have kids? I sincerely hope not. His ugly genes would dominate any beautiful woman's genes you could name.
12
Clippers
Elton's MVP chances are fading away as sadly as Ray Allen's hairline did. And everyone pretended to not notice that, too.
13
T-Wolves
I would pay to see the looks Spree's relatives give him these days. That's gotta be some uncut comedy right there.
14
76ers
Allen Iverson is dedicating this season to Dan Marino. In past years, he's dedicated seasons to Ernie Banks, Barry Sanders, Ted Williams and Michelle Kwan.
15
Lakers
Asked to comment on his two-game suspension, a smirking Kobe stated: "I respect the League's ruling, but I still think it's little unfair. I mean, it's not like a raped someone." Then, he got in his Benz and drove away laughing like a meglomaniac who had James Bond in a deathtrap. I still don't know why people hate him.
16
Magic
For all the kids out there who never saw G. Hill's first step in his prime, let me put it this way: The ***** used to get the ball, stand there and freeze his man, then he'd take off like Chevy Chase on that sled in National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.
17
Nuggets
Steve Deberg's pinky to Marcus Camby's pinky: "You're a ****ing pussy, dude."
18
Jazz
Contrary to media reports, Boozer did not return last week. So, I checked his AIM message.
BoozGotPaid: HAHAHA. Sike! Nah, but seriously, I hate it here. (What a *****)
19
Sonics
Asked if he feels any pressure to uphold his father's legacy, Damien Wilkins stopped laughing long enough to say, "My father? He wasn't ****. What the **** you talking about, man…hahahahahaha…'The **** you been smoking, dude?"
20
Bulls
The Bulls paid 60 mill to an overrated big man with a bad heart after all. Funny how that worked out.
21
Wizards
Etan Thomas expressed his feelings about the season with the following Haiku:
Damn, fans. We Sorry. Lots of Offense, No defense. I'm still rich though, fans.
22
Rockets
LMAO…Yao laughing. Yeah, Yao!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Let them *****es suffer. (http://www.fiyastarter.com/fs-gfx/fs-yaonkobe.GIF)
23
Hornets
Bostjan Nachbar, Maciej Lampe and Arvydas Macijauskas do not even form a player as good as Kwame Brown. That is a fact. These Euro scrubs are the reason guys like Louis Bullock, Casey Sanders, Jason Capel, Toby Bailey, and Lester Earl do not cash NBA paychecks. And more of them are drafted each year. That is some bull****.
24
Celtics
If Paul Pierce tells anyone that he wants to finish his career in Boston, he should be stabbed.
25
Kings
When you consider that Bonzi is good for at least 15 losses and Shareef is good for 20, doesn't the disappointment of the Kings' season make perfect sense.
26
Blazers
Am I the only one who notices that Zach Randolph looks like Mongo off Heathcliff?
27
Bobcats
Asked to comment on Emeka Okafor's latest injury, an irate Bernie Bickerstaff replied, "**** you! And **** Dwight Howard! There you go. That's my comment. Happy? Print that. Bye."
28
Hawks
If Salim has more than 200 assists this year, I'll gladly staple my balls together.
29
Knicks
Captain's Log: StarDate 6871.3: We have just passed through a severe magnetic storm. Three of our crewman are dead and LARRY BROWN STILL HASN'T SET HIS ****ING STARTING LINEUP!!!! GODDAMN!!! KAAAAAAAAHN!!!!
30
Raptors
Ugliest frontcourt ever? Hmmm. Wait, did the Wizards have Michael Ruffin and Popeye Jones at the same time?
Alpha and Omega
01-03-2006, 01:04 AM
Mavs
There's nothing anyone can say to convince me that The Dirtbag Boys (Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels) don't have weed parties monthly.
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Wizards
Etan Thomas expressed his feelings about the season with the following Haiku:
Damn, fans. We Sorry. Lots of Offense, No defense. I'm still rich though, fans.
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Captain's Log: StarDate 6871.3: We have just passed through a severe magnetic storm. Three of our crewman are dead and LARRY BROWN STILL HASN'T SET HIS ****ING STARTING LINEUP!!!! GODDAMN!!! KAAAAAAAAHN!!!!
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