2005-2006 NBA thread

[Alpha and Omega]

You're right, I should have put the Piston's starting 5 ahead of Lebron........:up:

:( .......Now I'm not so sure about my statement anymore........:( When Lebron finds credible teammates, and learns better individual and team defense, what you said will come true. He's in his early twenties, and he has over a decade left to mature and become better.:eek: His potential is scary. :eek:

[Milkman95]

^Agreed.

[DarthRekal]

Ehh, well Kobe is no doubt a killer, the guy is just scary, I mean if he gets even a decent look, he is draining it, I mean the guy didn't even hit the rim until it was almost half time.

But that being said, 45 points tonight, overtime and they lost to the Kings. Kobe is good, but I just don't think he has enough support. As much as I really dislike the Lakers and don't care for Kobe, the guy is THE BEST player in the NBA period, with KG very very close.

But Golden State should rebound strong, the way Jazz are playing I won't be surprised and Kings are getting healthy and better used to playing with each other. I'll agree with the Lakers beating out the sonics, unless they get some serious help.

But I can see the Warriors, Jazz and Kings keeping the Lakers out of the playoffs.

But we will have to wait and see.

But seriously did anyone see Kobe tonight? I wish I had an 1/8 of the guy's talent.

its team defense and young mistakes.... you talk about the kings getting healthy and playing together...that can go for us too... when turiaf comes back and he learns the ropes..we can only get better...we still have a half a season left..... i will be real we have a real SHOT of MISSING the playfss i wont lie to you...but i seriously think we also got a REAL shot of MAKING them too....


and how do you not defend the THREE POINT line???? and brad miller! OMG cmon...... i dont mean to beat a dead horse but bibby was gettin some ticky tack calls..while those same calls wernt on the other end..just be consistent is all

[Cudzo]

Quick question I was pondering on, please give me your guys input:

Is Andrei Kirilenko better than Karl Malone ?

[Alpha and Omega]

Quick question I was pondering on, please give me your guys input:

Is Andrei Kirilenko better than Karl Malone ?

future hall of famer vs. up and coming star :confused:

Ask this question after Kirilenko retires.:up: :)

[Cudzo]

future hall of famer vs. up and coming star :confused:

Ask this question after Kirilenko retires.:up: :)


Well, i ask cuase i think arguably Kirilenko is as good if not better player now than Karl ever was. Kirilenko (if your into fantacy stats) has an amazing stat line getting sometimes near a tripple double every game. Plus Karl Malone is well known for being a choker when the game really mattered. Charlie Rosen (look his articles up on foxsports.com) listed him as one of his all time NBA most overrated players.

[Super_Ludacris]

Chauncey, Kobe and Nash that's your MVP race right there

[DarthRekal]

Chauncey, Kobe and Nash that's your MVP race right there


how does 81 points...sound???? what does that do for his chances...Kobe "the DAGGER" bryant... 81 frickin points!:eek:

are you kidding me??????

MVP....MVP...!


who needs teammates???...LOL



EIGHTY ONE ...effin POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:up: :eek: :up: :eek:

[The Riddler]

god damn.

kobe just teabagged the raptors.

he's my clear cut mvp.

also, at this point in his career, kobe is already a better pure scorer than jordan ever was, and just as clutch.

jordan still holds the defensive edge and the leadership, but kobe is just unstoppable

[DarthRekal]

amen riddler...i agree with everything you said...once he gets his leadership skills....watch the eff out the lakers will be back on top!:eek:



81 freekin points..


*shakes head in disbelief*

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Chauncey, Kobe and Nash that's your MVP race right there

Looks like it's not a race anymore, after tonight Kobe is pretty much the MVP this season.

The Kid is just freaking

http://www.sportalicious.com/Images/bananas.jpg

[NOFX]

how does 81 points...sound???? what does that do for his chances...Kobe "the DAGGER" bryant... 81 frickin points!:eek:

are you kidding me??????

MVP....MVP...!


who needs teammates???...LOL



EIGHTY ONE ...effin POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:up: :eek: :up: :eek:
Damm I knew I shouldnt have watched NFL Playoffs:(

[The Riddler]

Looks like it's not a race anymore, after tonight Kobe is pretty much the MVP this season.

The Kid is just freaking

http://www.sportalicious.com/Images/bananas.jpg
also, billups never really was in the mvp race.

it was between nash and kobe.

now, it seems if the lakers make the playoffs, kobe will be mvp.

[NOFX]

also, billups never really was in the mvp race.

it was between nash and kobe.

now, it seems if the lakers make the playoffs, kobe will be mvp.
Wow some team makes a playoff spot and that player on that team becomes the leagues MVP?! Times have sure changed.:o

[The Riddler]

Wow some team makes a playoff spot and that player on that team becomes the leagues MVP?! Times have sure changed.:o
not when you consider teh roster, and the performances kobe has had this year.

he is without a doubt the mvp.

without him the lakers would be in shambles.

[NOFX]

not when you consider teh roster, and the performances kobe has had this year.

he is without a doubt the mvp.

without him the lakers would be in shambles.
Withhim there still an average team:confused:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Withhim there still an average team:confused:

I just rethought this, you also have to remember that the MVP is not the best player in the league award.

That being said, Kobe still is up there, I would also say KG, the kid doesn't get as much coverage but just look at what he does.

[The Riddler]

Withhim there still an average team:confused:
without him, they are trash.

with him, they will make the playoffs.

[NOFX]

hey Im a laker fan but Kobe for mvp??? Please:rolleyes: If there is any justice in this world the entire Detroit Piston team would get the award

[NOFX]

without him, they are trash.

with him, they will make the playoffs.
That is not a gurantee. There so inconsistent so far this year. I've seen them go win 3 in a row but than lose 3 in a row:o

[The Riddler]

That is not a gurantee. There so inconsistent so far this year. I've seen them go win 3 in a row but than lose 3 in a row:o
i'm talking with their current pace they will.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

That is not a gurantee. There so inconsistent so far this year. I've seen them go win 3 in a row but than lose 3 in a row:o

Yup

[NOFX]

i'm talking with their current pace they will.
I remember that one game against Dallas where Kobe scored like 60 + points and didnt even play the 4th quarter, They were on a good pace as well but than ended up like losing 3 in a row.:o

[The Riddler]

I remember that one game against Dallas where Kobe scored like 60 + points and didnt even play the 4th quarter, They were on a good pace as well but than ended up like losing 3 in a row.:o
and then they won games back.

their current pace of losing and then winning in bunches will get them to the playoffs.

[NOFX]

and then they won games back.

their current pace of losing and then winning in bunches will get them to the playoffs.
Maybe, that last month of the season will determine that:o Hopefully no one gets injured.

[DarthRekal]

sorry nofx..regardless to contrary belief...the MVP IS A POPULARITY contest..if the lakers get into the postseason..KOBE is a sure win!:up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well it is very easy to get 81 points when you dont pass the ball. I mean come on now out of that whole time he only passed the ball twice.

[Equint77]

ha ha.. 81 points and I bet his wife still didn't give him ass that night. :D

[Alpha and Omega]

Well it is very easy to get 81 points when you dont pass the ball. I mean come on now out of that whole time he only passed the ball twice.

ha ha.. 81 points and I bet his wife still didn't give him *** that night. :D

Go watch a season of Chapelle show dealing w/ haters and realize how ashamed you should feel.

81 points and a guy can't get any respect. Only one other person has done this. His personal life is his business, but 81 points in the best B-ball league on the planet??

Just to make the statement sink in: Philly 86, Minnesota 84 - in the game on Sunday. Kobe 81 all by his lonesome:eek: :eek: . He only shot around 50% of LA's shots, and since when has any other 'ballhog' as you say had a chance to score 81? Having trouble remembering. I thought so. MJ has taken more shots in a game, and his high is 69. Nuff said.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Equint77]

*sigh*... I wasn't even attacking his game... I was attacking his marriage.

[Ultimate_Superman]

How am I hating I am telling the truth Kobe has never learned to share the ball hell thats the main reason why Shaq and him had problems. Kobe will never be a reat ball player or teamate until he learns how to lead and teach a team instead of always shooting whenever he touches the ball. I mean sure he can put up points but he will always lose until he learns how to lead. Jordan was the same way then he got it. I can't win with out teaching and leading my team. Shaq same way and now he got it as well. Kobe is trying to do it all by himself then gets mad when they lose and say "My team didn't how up".

[NOFX]

Lets not forget they were playing the raptors people. Lets see if kobe can score 30 on the pistons! Until than he will not get my vote for mvp:mad:

[Alpha and Omega]

How am I hating I am telling the truth Kobe has never learned to share the ball hell thats the main reason why Shaq and him had problems. Kobe will never be a reat ball player or teamate until he learns how to lead and teach a team instead of always shooting whenever he touches the ball. I mean sure he can put up points but he will always lose until he learns how to lead. Jordan was the same way then he got it. I can't win with out teaching and leading my team. Shaq same way and now he got it as well. Kobe is trying to do it all by himself then gets mad when they lose and say "My team didn't how up".

The problems in LA were Kobe, Phil, and Shaq's. Calm down.

Yes, he will never be a great ball player who won 3 championships.:rolleyes:

He will lose until he matures, but he has vastly improved from last year, and w/ the incorporation of better players, the triangle offense will prevail.

MJ never was a teacher. He is the greatest player to ever play the game, but he bowed to the wishes of Phil Jackson: Who you ask? The same person who will instruct Mr. Bryant.

I think you assume an awful lot. Your claims have no real validity, and they seem more like unfounded rants. Off court, I've never met Kobe, but he probably is a jerk: Newsflash: Most wealthy powerful NBA athletes probably are. Who cares? That's their prerogative.

I'm sure if when he's inducted into the hall of fame, you'll probably say: "he never was a great ball player. . . .who made it into the hall of fame.:( "
Tsk. . . Tsk . . .come up w/ valid reasons for dislike. He's a legitimate MVP candidate, even w/ media personnel who despise him, and he's a premiere player in the league.

[Ultimate_Superman]

My thing is you show me once where Kobe has steeped up and shown that he is a leader and then I will respect him till then he is still doing the same stuff and keeping himself away from the team like when he raped that girl.

[Ultimate_Superman]

The problems in LA were Kobe, Phil, and Shaq's. Calm down.

Yes, he will never be a great ball player who won 3 championships.:rolleyes:

He will lose until he matures, but he has vastly improved from last year, and w/ the incorporation of better players, the triangle offense will prevail.

MJ never was a teacher. He is the greatest player to ever play the game, but he bowed to the wishes of Phil Jackson: Who you ask? The same person who will instruct Mr. Bryant.

I think you assume an awful lot. Your claims have no real validity, and they seem more like unfounded rants. Off court, I've never met Kobe, but he probably is a jerk: Newsflash: Most wealthy powerful NBA athletes probably are. Who cares? That's their prerogative.

I'm sure if when he's inducted into the hall of fame, you'll probably say: "he never was a great ball player. . . .who made it into the hall of fame.:( "
Tsk. . . Tsk . . .come up w/ valid reasons for dislike. He's a legitimate MVP candidate, even w/ media personnel who despise him, and he's a premiere player in the league.What first off if not for Shaq Kobe would not have won anything. Second Jordan is a teacher how the hell do you think the Bulls were so great and it wasn't because of Phil with Jordan he brought everybody else up with him. Once again Kobe does nothing with team and keeps himself as far away from the team as he can and then gets mad and wants to fight everyone who says the man shoots to much. Kobe is a heck of a ball player I will admit that but he is not a leader or a good teammate and thats the main reason why most players in the NBA can not stand to be on the same team as him.

[Milkman95]

Scoring 81 points is a ridiculous accomplishment. Too bad they won't make the playoffs and he's still a JACK A$$.

[Ultimate_Superman]

You tell me where Kobe would be with out Shaq would he have won those rings on his own? Look at what happened when he had Shaq on his team the time they were playing the Pistons and acted like he didn't know who Shaq was he didn't pass the ball really and tried taking all the shots and what happened they lost the series and he made his team look stupid. We already know how well Shaq does with out Kobe but I have yet to see Kobe do something.

[Kipobe]

Well it is very easy to get 81 points when you dont pass the ball. I mean come on now out of that whole time he only passed the ball twice.
That's very easy to say if you never saw the game. The stat sheets don't say how many times he passed the ball, and how many times everyone else missed. He could've had 10 assists EASILY. Most of that is evident by the fact that the first half was spent trying to do what everyone else says he SHOULD do.... get his teammaetes involved... only, they weren't doing anything.

Normally, I'd mock a performance like this.... but it was a perfect example of doing what's needed for the win. The Lakers have a problem... but it's NOT Kobe Bryant. Smush Parker is fast becoming the #2 man because stupid Odom won't step up and do a damn thing. The reason why Jordan never did what Kobe did because he always had Pippen. Kobe can score 81.... hell, he can score 100 on a good night... but until he has someone to pass the ball to, his points will stay up, and his assists will stay low. Doesn't mean he doesn't pass the ball.

[Equint77]

besides.. if you were a laker fan.. would you want anyone else on that team shooting the ball? :(

[Ultimate_Superman]

That's very easy to say if you never saw the game. The stat sheets don't say how many times he passed the ball, and how many times everyone else missed. He could've had 10 assists EASILY. Most of that is evident by the fact that the first half was spent trying to do what everyone else says he SHOULD do.... get his teammaetes involved... only, they weren't doing anything.

Normally, I'd mock a performance like this.... but it was a perfect example of doing what's needed for the win. The Lakers have a problem... but it's NOT Kobe Bryant. Smush Parker is fast becoming the #2 man because stupid Odom won't step up and do a damn thing. The reason why Jordan never did what Kobe did because he always had Pippen. Kobe can score 81.... hell, he can score 100 on a good night... but until he has someone to pass the ball to, his points will stay up, and his assists will stay low. Doesn't mean he doesn't pass the ball.Key word could have had 10 assists but didn't. All I am saying the man scored 81 points in the game and the team still almost lost the game.

[Ultimate_Superman]

besides.. if you were a laker fan.. would you want anyone else on that team shooting the ball? :(This comng from a former Laker himself. I don't know you tell me. I mean you played with Magic.

[Equint77]

This comng from a former Laker himself. I don't know you tell me. I mean you played with Magic.

Tony... you're gonna need a new joke. :(

You've ****ed this one dead. :(

[NOFX]

Tony... you're gonna need a new joke. :(

You've ****ed this one dead. :(
No equint is not a former Laker fan, he is former Green Day fan:D :down

[Equint77]

No equint is not a former Laker fan, he is former Green Day fan:D :down

don't you have to go prepare for your birthday? gather up your rainbow brite dolls and seat them for your tea party?

Better yet go wash your face, the grease is seeping through my screen.

[Ultimate_Superman]

If you were Kobe which would you reather say

I scored 81 points in one game

or

I lead my team to the NBA title?

Because face it when they were on their title run Shaq lead them not Kobe. Hell the first time they made their run Kobe didn't really show up to much in those games.

[Ultimate_Superman]

don't you have to go prepare for your birthday? gather up your rainbow brite dolls and seat them for your tea party?

Better yet go wash your face, the grease is seeping through my screen.LOL


but your right Equint I am done with that Laker joke that was my last one. From now on your Equint the drunk.

[DarthRekal]

Lets not forget they were playing the raptors people. Lets see if kobe can score 30 on the pistons! Until than he will not get my vote for mvp:mad:

the same raptors that beat the spurs?????:confused: :down

bad form people..kobe is the team...the other players are junk ..if we get to the playoffs..it will be because of him.... he is the MVP...period

[Kipobe]

Key word could have had 10 assists but didn't. All I am saying the man scored 81 points in the game and the team still almost lost the game.
122 - 104? That's almost losing?

You can't get an assist if the others don't make the shot. He only scored 26 points in the entire first half. The reason they were losing was because he was passing.

He's definately a front-runner for MVP.

[Equint77]

LOL


but your right Equint I am done with that Laker joke that was my last one. From now on your Equint the drunk.

ha ha.. that won't fit Tony.. I'm on the wagon now. :D

Probably for a good while too. :up: :up:

[Kipobe]

I'm confused.... didn't NOFX used to be a Laker fan?

[Ultimate_Superman]

122 - 104? That's almost losing?

You can't get an assist if the others don't make the shot. He only scored 26 points in the entire first half. The reason they were losing was because he was passing.

He's definately a front-runner for MVP.No he isn't because he doesn't get the team in the game. Iverson may shoot alot but he also makes sure his team is in the game because he sees he can't win with out them. Shaq is the same way as was Jordan, Magic, Larry, and Isiah. You can't win with out your team and Kobe has yet to learn that.

[Ultimate_Superman]

ha ha.. that won't fit Tony.. I'm on the wagon now. :D

Probably for a good while too. :up: :up:Sure you are put a bottle on the table and you sit in a locked room for 3hrs and you tell me if your still on the wagon.

[DarthRekal]

tony ..your crazy...... any one of these players..aside from lamar..wouldnt even be a starter on any other NBA team..including toronto..... i watch this team all the time..and these guys are inconsistent..closest thing to being consistent is D george.....just pure unadulterated haterism..... open your eyes..regardless how he got 81..he got eighty one!:eek:


its incredible....he's MVP.... take him offf this team and what are the LAKERS???


thats the DEFINITION of MVP....VALUABLE!

[NOFX]

I'm confused.... didn't NOFX used to be a Laker fan?
I am! I just never like Kobe and still havent forgave him for what he did to my team couple of years ago:mad:

[Milkman95]

If the Lakers don't make the playoffs, Kobe won't be the MVP.......

[Ultimate_Superman]

tony ..your crazy...... any one of these players..aside from lamar..wouldnt even be a starter on any other NBA team..including toronto..... i watch this team all the time..and these guys are inconsistent..closest thing to being consistent is D george.....just pure unadulterated haterism..... open your eyes..regardless how he got 81..he got eighty one!:eek:


its incredible....he's MVP.... take him offf this team and what are the LAKERS???


thats the DEFINITION of MVP....VALUABLE!Okay I am a wizards fan so if anyone from the Wizards score 81 in one game they should be the MVP or if any from the Hawks score 81 they should be the MVP? Come one now Kobe is good but has yet to help his team. Lets look at the Heat. Shaq comes in and that team is on fire now Kobe says I want this to be my own team and everybody wants out or more money to put up with Kobe.

[Equint77]

I'm confused.... didn't NOFX used to be a Laker fan?

he's a dick-rider.. he jumps from LA team to LA team.. which is why I don't pay attention to his weak NBA opinions.

:o

[NOFX]

he's a dick-rider.. he jumps from LA team to LA team.. which is why I don't pay attention to his weak NBA opinions.

:o
Im an L.A. Team Fan Period!:mad:

[Ultimate_Superman]

I dont I am a Raiders and Wizards fan for life. I am a Redskin fan but if I had to pick one or the other I will always be a Raiders fan.

[DarthRekal]

Okay I am a wizards fan so if anyone from the Wizards score 81 in one game they should be the MVP or if any from the Hawks score 81 they should be the MVP? Come one now Kobe is good but has yet to help his team. Lets look at the Heat. Shaq comes in and that team is on fire now Kobe says I want this to be my own team and everybody wants out or more money to put up with Kobe.

im sorry but that statement says alot...you are just hating..... if arenas.... is the only guy doing anything on your team you are not gonna fault him..for scoring...KOBE is helping this team by being the only one doing ANYTHING...i've seen him pass the ball numerous times...just to see the ball calnked off the rim..... kwame cant even hit 2footer.....what does kobe have to do with shaq...you're just hating you will not change your mind cause you are letting your emotions get in the way.......take TD off the spurs and you still got a good core...take nash off the suns and you still got a good suns team(especially when amare comes back)..... take kobe off the lakers and you got an NBDL team...but with him they are the SEVENTH seed...thats an MVP.... ..dont get it twisted..... take shaq off the heat and they are still good....WADE is the best player on the heat ....you are smokin too many doobies man

and milkman...i cant live with that...if the lakers dont make the playoffs..i wouldnt vote for him either.......:up:

[Milkman95]

Im an L.A. Team Fan Period!:mad:

I'm sorry..........

[NOFX]

I'm sorry..........
Both my teams will make the playoffs this year!!!:cool:

[Ultimate_Superman]

im sorry but that statement says alot...you are just hating..... if arenas.... is the only guy doing anything on your team you are not gonna fault him..for scoring...KOBE is helping this team by being the only one doing ANYTHING...i've seen him pass the ball numerous times...just to see the ball calnked off the rim..... kwame cant even hit 2footer.....what does kobe have to do with shaq...you're just hating you will not change your mind cause you are letting your emotions get in the way.......take TD off the spurs and you still got a good core...take nash off the suns and you still got a good suns team(especially when amare comes back)..... take kobe off the lakers and you got an NBDL team...but with him they are the SEVENTH seed...thats an MVP.... ..dont get it twisted..... take shaq off the heat and they are still good....WADE is the best player on the heat ....you are smokin too many doobies man

and milkman...i cant live with that...if the lakers dont make the playoffs..i wouldnt vote for him either.......:up:Thats where your wrong since I live out in DC and have season tickets Arenas isn't doing everything on the team he may be the star player and the only one you see on highlights but everybody on this team does their part. Thats the thing the Wizards works as a team. They win as a team and lose as a team but they are still a team. Just like the Bulls they won as a team and lost as a team still they were a tem as the 80's Lakers and Pistons. Now with the Larkers now its Kobe wins the game if they lose the rest of them lose not Kobe he blames everyone else when he should spend more time helping them instead if he really wants to win.


As I said before you have yet to show me where Kobe is a good team player. You have yet to show me how much better he can make his team. Unlike how Shaq can make his team better true Wade is very good but with Shaq he is great because now he is more free to do his thing.

[DarthRekal]

Thats where your wrong since I live out in DC and have season tickets Arenas isn't doing everything on the team he may be the star player and the only one you see on highlights but everybody on this team does their part. Thats the thing the Wizards works as a team. They win as a team and lose as a team but they are still a team. Just like the Bulls they won as a team and lost as a team still they were a tem as the 80's Lakers and Pistons. Now with the Larkers now its Kobe wins the game if they lose the rest of them lose not Kobe he blames everyone else when he should spend more time helping them instead if he really wants to win.

i said "IF"...i know washington is playing great team ball..but you guys have that luxury...WE DONT...... we dont have a team.... dude if you are gonna remark on our team i suggest you study it first...i've seen this team choke away leads.... not play any defense and not make any shots..... this team sucks..KOBE is the only one with killer instinct the only one who will play d and the only one making clutch decisions...sure he's a ballhog...sure he shoots too much..but i've seen him TRUST his team and they let him down..... HE HAS TO BE A ONE MAN SHOW.....period..theres no well what if ...its not like that.....once we get a CONSISTENT #2 then we can make judgment on that...but right now ... its the KOBE bryant and CAST....thats the breaks and everytime we lose i always hear him say ...WE..not THEY....he never blames anyone else.....man haterade is thick in here....

[Ultimate_Superman]

okay when Shaq was there is his last with the Lakers what do you have to say for Kobes actions then? He still tried to do a one man show to try and prove a point and when he did they would always fall short and you had an All-Star team at the time.

[Equint77]

Sure you are put a bottle on the table and you sit in a locked room for 3hrs and you tell me if your still on the wagon.

ok Jigsaw. :confused:

[DarthRekal]

okay when Shaq was there is his last with the Lakers what do you have to say for Kobes actions then? He still tried to do a one man show to try and prove a point and when he did they would always fall short and you had an All-Star team at the time.


six words for ya------ 2000 Western Conference Finals Game Seven

do you know the bucket that gave us the lead???? it was an ASSIST from KOBE


SHAq was always a non factor in the late fourth quarter.... we had SHOOTER galore....HORRY.... FISHER ..FOX....

i remember him single handedly dismantling the spurs the next year....becasue HE had to.....


dude your stretching now.... last year he led the team in assists..... you are finding ways because of your views.... KOBE has to shoot...AI has to shoot..... whatever gets the team the w...thats HOW HE HELPS..... when odom shoot 15+ shots we a re 0-8 hows that for help????? SHOOT KOBE SHOOT!

[LastSunrise1981]

Kobe is a great individual talent and if he were to blend his talents with everyone else, then he would be the best basketball player in the NBA today.

His ego is what turns people off and question is ability. There's no doubt the kid is talented, unique, exciting, and has a great work ethic when it comes to basketball. However, he appears to thrive on trying to take on an entire team by himself and that's not how basketball is done.

You notice he goes off for insane points against weak teams. Let's see him do that against Phoenix, San Antonio, and Detroit, who seem to have a good lock on him and play him very physical.

Kobe is out for Kobe and he only wants the scoring title. Why do you think he wanted Shaq out of L.A.? So he could get all the shots he wanted and not have Shaq take his head off.

[Alpha and Omega]

My thing is you show me once where Kobe has steeped up and shown that he is a leader and then I will respect him till then he is still doing the same stuff and keeping himself away from the team like when he raped that girl.

:confused: Uh I wasn't there to see that. Since you were, why didn't you man up and testify? The news reports I saw showed her friends who claimed that she lived a sexually promiscuous lifestyle, and it was probably mutual. Seeing her drop the charges in order to file a civil suit (one for monetary gain. . .you know money) pretty much ended it for me. I don't know what happened, but I wasn't there, so why should I assume?

Oh yeah, what does off court have to do w/ on the court? Please stick to the debate. What would classify a team leader as? It's obvious you don't like no. 8, but name better all-around individual player. . . yes he has to work on his teamwork, although, it's not as bad as you claim. It took Jordan six years, and it will take Kobe time.

He's a wealth of talent, but he needs better teammates. Don't pretend LA is loaded w/ other talent. Seriously, all the writers at ESPN like Marc Stein, Stephen A. Thomas, etc. . . may not like Kobe, but they say he's progressing; they also point out that aside from no. 8, there isn't much to work w/.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Kobe is a great individual talent and if he were to blend his talents with everyone else, then he would be the best basketball player in the NBA today.

His ego is what turns people off and question is ability. There's no doubt the kid is talented, unique, exciting, and has a great work ethic when it comes to basketball. However, he appears to thrive on trying to take on an entire team by himself and that's not how basketball is done.

You notice he goes off for insane points against weak teams. Let's see him do that against Phoenix, San Antonio, and Detroit, who seem to have a good lock on him and play him very physical.

Kobe is out for Kobe and he only wants the scoring title. Why do you think he wanted Shaq out of L.A.? So he could get all the shots he wanted and not have Shaq take his head off.Thank you thats all I am saying. What is he proving really? That he can score points or make a basket because we all know he can do that but can he lead a team to the title.

[LastSunrise1981]

There wasn't much to work with in Chicago either, but Jordan took mediocre guys and made them better. Same goes for Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, John Stockton, and Jason Kidd.

All of them took mediocre guys and made them better. Defend Kobe all you want but in reality, he's only out for the scoring title and doesn't make teammates better.

Look at how Nash took Marion, Amare, Jim Jackson, and then made them better with his assists and playmaking skills.

I definitely don't believe Kobe raped the girl. As rich, famous and as talented as he is, there's no way he'd have to force ANY woman to sleep with him at all and that's not knocking women, it's just obvious that he wouldn't have to make a woman sleep with him.

Plus any girl who keeps male semen in her underwear is just disgusting. :down

[NOFX]

1. CHRIS PAUL, G, NEW ORLEANS/OKLAHOMA CITY
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
36.0 16.7 5.7 7.5 2.23 0.05 .431 .303 .819

Last week: 1
Any doubts about how Chris Paul would play with torn ligaments in his thumb have been answered. Two straight games of at least 27 points and 11 assists will do that. Paul is now getting serious All-Star consideration and deservedly so. He certainly didn't disappoint in his Madison Square Garden debut on Saturday.

2. CHANNING FRYE, C, NEW YORK
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26.3 14.4 6.1 0.9 0.47 0.82 .512 .333 .853

Last week: 2
With Antonio Davis suspended, Channing Frye got the start on Thursday against Detroit. The three rookie starters experiment didn't work so well, so Larry Brown put Frye back on the bench for Saturday's game against the Hornets. It didn't affect Frye, who averaged 16.5 points and 7.0 boards, while shooting 14-of-27 in the two games.

3. ANDREW BOGUT, C, MILWAUKEE
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
28.2 9.2 7.9 2.1 0.77 0.95 .545 .000 .596

Last week: 3
Andrew Bogut has solidified his hold on the No. 3 spot with another solid week. Even when he's not getting a lot of touches on offense, he's still getting it done on the boards, averaging 11.2 rebounds in his last six games.

4. CHARLIE VILLANUEVA, F, TORONTO
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
24.5 11.8 5.1 0.9 0.72 0.69 .476 .303 .663

Last week: 4
Until Sunday, Charlie Villanueva was having a fairly lackluster week. Long road trips can be tough on rookies and the Raps have one more game (Monday in Denver) before returning home from this five-game Western Conference swing.

5. DERON WILLIAMS, G, UTAH
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
27.7 10.1 2.5 4.4 0.83 0.20 .382 .307 .716

Last week: 5
Deron Williams' numbers have dipped since the first month of the season, but he had a solid game in Tuesday's win over the Raptors, scoring 10 points on 5-of-12 shooting. After scoring in double-figures 12 times in the first 16 games of the season, Williams has only done it nine times since.

6. SARUNAS JASIKEVICIUS, G, INDIANA
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
23.8 9.1 2.4 3.1 0.79 0.11 .432 .412 .883

Last week: 6
Sarunas Jasikevicius had his best shooting game in a while in Wednesday's win over the Bobcats, but like the Pacers as a whole, he is suffering in the uncertainty of the Ron Artest situation. Sometimes he's running the point. Sometimes, he's playing the two.

7. SALIM STOUDAMIRE, G, ATLANTA
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20.3 10.1 2.0 1.4 0.46 0.08 .446 .387 .897

Last week: 8
Salim Stoudamire has scored in double-figures in four straight games for the second time this season. Over the last four, he is averaging 18.0 points per game on .418 from the field and .367 from downtown.

8. JOSE CALDERON, G, TORONTO
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26.6 6.2 2.5 5.3 0.92 0.03 .438 .143 .870

Last week: 7
After Jose Calderon's brilliant performance last week against New York, you would think he would see more time this week, but that was not the case. He played just 16.3 minutes per game in the first four games of the Raptors' trip.

9. LUTHER HEAD, G, HOUSTON
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
30.0 9.6 3.5 2.5 1.14 0.11 .385 .371 .684

Last week: 10
Luther Head hit a huge shot to put the Rockets within one in Detroit Sunday night, but when Tracy McGrady gave him a shot to win it, he missed and the Pistons escaped with the win. McGrady is back, though, which means Head's touches will go down.

10. NATE ROBINSON, G, NEW YORK
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20.9 9.4 2.9 1.9 0.62 0.03 .412 .459 .723

Last week: 9
Nate Robinson fell victim to the Chris Paul experience on Saturday, fouling out in just 17 minutes of action. Robinson has put up decent numbers in this latest Knick slump, but his inability to run the point has hurt in the absence of Stephon Marbury.

NOTEWORTHY

Felton On the outside looking in:
Ike Diogu (GSW), Raymond Felton (CHA), Francisco Garcia (SAC), Joey Graham (IND), Danny Granger (IND), David Lee (NYK), Marvin Williams (ATL)
Ike Diogu's (GSW) playing time has taken a serious hit of late. He played just 19 total minutes in two games this week.

Raymond Felton (CHA) is knocking on the door of the Top 10 and he is ready to come in. Another solid week from Felton (12.0 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 4.7 APG) has him right behind Robinson.

Francisco Garcia (SAC) had his best game of the season on Tuesday, scoring 21 points and grabbing 10 boards in the Kings' blowout win over the Suns. With Bonzi Wells out, Garcia has stepped up, averaging 11.9 points and 4.9 boards while shooting .468 from the field in the last seven games.

[Alpha and Omega]

Kobe is a great individual talent and if he were to blend his talents with everyone else, then he would be the best basketball player in the NBA today.

His ego is what turns people off and question is ability. There's no doubt the kid is talented, unique, exciting, and has a great work ethic when it comes to basketball. However, he appears to thrive on trying to take on an entire team by himself and that's not how basketball is done.

You notice he goes off for insane points against weak teams. Let's see him do that against Phoenix, San Antonio, and Detroit, who seem to have a good lock on him and play him very physical.

Kobe is out for Kobe and he only wants the scoring title. Why do you think he wanted Shaq out of L.A.? So he could get all the shots he wanted and not have Shaq take his head off.

Doesn't Dallas have one of the best D's in the league?:confused: He did drop 62 in 3 on them. I don't care who you play, the NBA is the NBA. It's the premiere league, and every player there is a good player. When they play other talented players, that where the difference is made. Players themselves say the scoring 15 - 20 points is hard work. Kobe regularly drops 30+ on Phoenix, SA, and the big D. I agree w/ what statement you are making about his need to grow up, and learn some humility, but that doesn't take away from his possible MVP season. ESPN has him in a dead heat w/ Nash. Remember, MVP is MOST VALUABLE PLAYER TO A TEAM. If you take Kobe off of LA, do they win any games? Seriously? It's nice to see someone stick to issue though instead of switching to a different topic.:up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

There wasn't much to work with in Chicago either, but Jordan took mediocre guys and made them better. Same goes for Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, John Stockton, and Jason Kidd.

All of them took mediocre guys and made them better. Defend Kobe all you want but in reality, he's only out for the scoring title and doesn't make teammates better.

Look at how Nash took Marion, Amare, Jim Jackson, and then made them better with his assists and playmaking skills.

I definitely don't believe Kobe raped the girl. As rich, famous and as talented as he is, there's no way he'd have to force ANY woman to sleep with him at all and that's not knocking women, it's just obvious that he wouldn't have to make a woman sleep with him.

Plus any girl who keeps male semen in her underwear is just disgusting. :downOnce again I agree with you on the rape case he had I dont think he did either but I also dont think the girl wanted anal sex and thats what the case was for he forced her to anal now maybe I am wrong because some women like it that way.

[LastSunrise1981]

Doesn't Dallas have one of the best D's in the league?:confused: Players themselves say the scoring 15 - 20 points is hard work. Kobe regularly drops 30+ on Phoenix, SA, and the big D. I agree w/ what statement you are making though. It's nice to see someone stick to issue.:up:

Eh, as much as I love Dallas, we're not a great defensive team and we seem to be inconsistent with our D. We're better with it than in 2002, 2003, and 2004 obviously, but a lot of work needs to be done and we're not where we should be in defense.

In order for our defense to improve we need to get rid of Dampier for a more athletic center like Theo Ratliff.

We're getting better; however, there's a lot of work to be done in our defensive department.

Kobe tried to go off like that in the playoffs and Tayshaun shut him down.

Players like Bowen, Tayshaun, and Marion know how to deal with him and make him work for his points. Teams like Toronto, New Orleans, Golden State, and Chicago aren't tough teams and tend to be intimidated by players like Kobe. But he's still a great player and has loads of talent.

[DarthRekal]

first of all jordan had pippen...give kobe pippen and we'll see this team flourish..... secondly what other 2 gaurd during jordan's era was remotely as good as the competition KOBE has..tmac...IVerson..wade...lebron.... no talent pool close to that in the 90's....thirdly MAGIC BIRD...STOCKTON..had a legit team..... the bench riders in the 80's lakers coulda started anywhere in the league ..and bird had MCHALE. parrish, ainge...alll solid players couple even hall of famers.... who on the lakers WILL EVEN MAKE AN ALL STAR APPEARANCE LET ALONE THE HOF????


bash him all you want..i dont see the LAKERS winning ANY other way than KOBE scoring 30 a night..thats FACT....... he's doing whats necessary to WIN..... hate all you want...if we are above .500 then let him shoot...you guys dont see that...all you see is ego..i see WINNING...when he drops 81 and WE LOSE then stop shooting...but when our other players averag close to twenty then say something.... he passes ..watch the games....... you guys are sticking up for MIHM..SMUSH....SASHA...these guys are nowhere near...MARION... SHAQ... HUGHES.... YAO.....give me a break.....

[Alpha and Omega]

first of all jordan had pippen...give kobe pippen and we'll see this team flourish..... secondly what other 2 gaurd during jordan's era was remotely as good as the competition KOBE has..tmac...IVerson..wade...lebron.... no talent pool close to that in the 90's....thirdly MAGIC BIRD...STOCKTON..had a legit team..... the bench riders in the 80's lakers coulda started anywhere in the league ..and bird had MCHALE. parrish, ainge...alll solid players couple even hall of famers.... who on the lakers WILL EVEN MAKE AN ALL STAR APPEARANCE LET ALONE THE HOF????


bash him all you want..i dont see the LAKERS winning ANY other way than KOBE scoring 30 a night..thats FACT....... he's doing whats necessary to WIN..... hate all you want...if we are above .500 then let him shoot...you guys dont see that...all you see is ego..i see WINNING...when he drops 81 and WE LOSE then stop shooting...but when our other players averag close to twenty then say something.... he passes ..watch the games....... you guys are sticking up for MIHM..SMUSH....SASHA...these guys are nowhere near...MARION... SHAQ... HUGHES.... YAO.....give me a break.....

Those names should quiet any complaining. :( :( :( why does our team one dimentional. Lamar Odom is 6'10" and he doesn't post up. :confused: No.8 has very little in the way of a team to work w/.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I am just glad we dumped Brown on you guys and got rid of that problem.

[Super_Ludacris]

It's still Nash, Kobe and Chauncey

Nash and Chauncey's teams have done incredible given all that they were coming into the season with

[DarthRekal]

It's still Nash, Kobe and Chauncey

Nash and Chauncey's teams have done incredible given all that they were coming into the season with
at least your not delusional ...LUDA......:up:

[Super_Ludacris]

Last night was the craziest night in the NBA.......**** the NFL

the pistons-rockets game with T-Mac's 43 and the Pistons surviving in that close win

the Sixers-Wolves did you see Dre's game winning shot

and Kobe's 81 of course

[Alpha and Omega]

Last night was the craziest night in the NBA.......**** the NFL

the pistons-rockets game with T-Mac's 43 and the Pistons surviving in that close win

the Sixers-Wolves did you see Dre's game winning shot

and Kobe's 81 of course

Don't exclude that Seattle/Phoenix game! 152-149 w/ the buzzer-beater by Ray Allen in double overtime. It was the highest scoring game in 11 years.

[Super_Ludacris]

Oh and that Double OT game between Suns and Sonics 152-149 with Ray Allen hitting the game winning shot?!

No Question last night was the best night in the NBA like ever...

[DarthRekal]

Oh and that Double OT game between Suns and Sonics 152-149 with Ray Allen hitting the game winning shot?!

No Question last night was the best night in the NBA like ever...

NO DOUBT!

[Super_Ludacris]

This whole week's gonna be crazy
Underworld on Saturday seeing Kate Beckinsale naked (w00t)
the NFL last night
The NBA last night
Nas is on Def Jam
My Birthday tommorrow
Lana finding out Clark's secret and then possibly getting killed off Smallville ( :( *bumps Keith Sweat's "Why girl" :( )
and I gotta sweat to get this ***** ass assignment for college done for Monday....How the hell am I suppose to concentrate. **** faith for doing this lol

[Stringer]

Single greatest individual performance even seen in the NBA and we actually have the footage to prove it happened. Kobe Bryant 81 freakin points

[Alpha and Omega]

Single greatest individual performance even seen in the NBA and we actually have the footage to prove it happened. Kobe Bryant 81 freakin points

Precisely what I mean. The only person who has scored more is Wilt Chamberlain who scored 100 points. According to MJ' s theory, a guard has a more difficult time scoring. He has ball duties, and plays defense in a much larger area, in addition to scoring on offense. An exhorbitant amount of energy is required. What Kobe did was incredible. He scored 81 points, and he still played defense, and he had a few assists. It was the best sole performance I've ever seen, and I've witnessed a lot of them: live and on ESPN classic.
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The only other player who has a chance to do that is Tracy Mcgrady, but he has average defensive skills. Maybe Lebron will do this same thing one day.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Precisely what I mean. The only person who has scored more is Wilt Chamberlain who scored 100 points. According to MJ' s theory, a guard has a more difficult time scoring. He has ball duties, and plays defense in a much larger area, in addition to scoring on offense. An exhorbitant amount of energy is required. What Kobe did was incredible. He scored 81 points, and he still played defense, and he had a few assists. It was the best sole performance I've ever seen, and I've witnessed a lot of them: live and on ESPN classic.
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The only other player who has a chance to do that is Tracy Mcgrady, but he has average defensive skills. Maybe Lebron will do this same thing one day.a few is more then 2 Kobe had 2 assists.

[DarthRekal]

how many assists did MJ have when he scored 69??? how many did wilt have when he scored 78? 73? 100?....cant judge him by assists....when your carrying a team you're doing just that...CARRYING....

[Alpha and Omega]

a few is more then 2 Kobe had 2 assists.


Few means: not many, but more than one.:confused:

[Ultimate_Superman]

when Jordan did his he wasn't even in his prime and did on Bird and his team which is someething very very very hard to do. Now you mean to tell me Kobe could do the same to that team??? I dont think so.

[Alpha and Omega]

when Jordan did his he wasn't even in his prime and did on Bird and his team which is someething very very very hard to do. Now you mean to tell me Kobe could do the same to that team??? I dont think so.

Michael Jordan scored 63 in that game against Larry Bird and the Celtics. His high of 69 was on the Clevland Cavaliers in his prime, correct?

Aside from that, Larry Bird and the Celtics weren't known for their defensive skill. They were an offensive team like Phoenix. They could play defense, but it wasn't their specialty.

[DarthRekal]

too cut 19 pts off his total against birds celtics yeah i think its possible.... still didnt answer how many assists he had???????

kobes 27...is that his prime???? when did jordan when his first ring????? not at 27 i can tell you that....

[DarthRekal]

Michael Jordan scored 63 in that game against Larry Bird and the Celtics. His high of 69 was on the Clevland Cavaliers in his prime, correct?

i believe this to be a true statement.... and lebron wasnt on the cavs at the time either:o

[Ultimate_Superman]

you are right and here was his stats from that game

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/sports/basketball/032990bkn-jordan.html

Jordan made 23 of 37 field-goal attempts and 21 of 23 foul shots. He also had a career-high 18 rebounds, plus 6 assists and 4 steals.


Now out of that Jordan still passed the ball four more times then Kobe pulled more rebounds then him and had one more steal then him.

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah but Jordan didn't have Shaq

[Ultimate_Superman]

As a matter of fact when has Kobe pulled 18 rebounds?

[DarthRekal]

you are right and here was his stats from that game

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/sports/basketball/032990bkn-jordan.html

Jordan made 23 of 37 field-goal attempts and 21 of 23 foul shots. He also had a career-high 18 rebounds, plus 6 assists and 4 steals.


Now out of that Jordan still passed the ball four more times then Kobe pulled more rebounds then him and had one more steal then him.

jordan also had pippen..ho grant .... steve kerr... john paxson..... ron harper..id take anyone of those over any of the lakers now...tell me those cats aint gonna hit a shot.... do the box scores tell you how many times kobe passed it??? or how many times his TEAMMATES MADE IT?????

[DarthRekal]

when was the last time jordan..scored 81????????:confused: :confused:

[Ultimate_Superman]

jordan also had pippen..ho grant .... steve kerr... john paxson..... ron harper..id take anyone of those over any of the lakers now...tell me those cats aint gonna hit a shot.... do the box scores tell you how many times kobe passed it??? or how many times his TEAMMATES MADE IT?????Jordan could have passed the ball more then that. The assist just tells you when they made the basket off of the player passing the ball. Jordan has more faith in his team then Kobe before Pippen and even now when he was with washington. Jordan understands there is no I in team Kobe has yet to learn that. I am not taking anything away from him I just think he needs to work more with his team. I mean he is a great player but if you guys really want to start wining games he has to help out his team instead because he is going to be there for a while and most of the players in the NBA doesn't care to much for him in order to get a great team for the Lakers either Kobe is going to have to change the way he plays and share the ball or your going to have to trade him.

[Ultimate_Superman]

when was the last time jordan..scored 81????????:confused: :confused:Never because he never needed to he ould reather get his team into the game then score but he can and would take over a game and win it as well.

[Alpha and Omega]

Never because he never needed to he ould reather get his team into the game then score but he can and would take over a game and win it as well.

Rational thought is beyond you.

[DarthRekal]

Never because he never needed to he ould reather get his team into the game then score but he can and would take over a game and win it as well.


you're absolutly right...and thats exsactly my argument.....


kobe had a career high 15 brds only A FEW off of jordans career high..he also has a CAREER high of 15 assists...

in 03 the year we lost to the spurs.... in WCF he averaged...AVERAGED...7 boards and 6 assists.....and we lost...... tell me how that is not a team player???

[Ultimate_Superman]

Is it really. Look at Jordan he is a teacher of the game more then anything. I am sure Jordan could have lit up the board for 100 or 81 but he is a team player as well. As much as he hates to lose he knows that he neds a team to play with him as well. Kobe can shot all he wants but if he can never get along with other players then he will never win a title.

[Ultimate_Superman]

you're absolutly right...and thats exsactly my argument.....


kobe had a career high 15 brds only A FEW off of jordans career high..he also has a CAREER high of 15 assists...

in 03 the year we lost to the spurs.... in WCF he averaged...AVERAGED...7 boards and 6 assists.....and we lost...... tell me how that is not a team player???one game wow

[Alpha and Omega]

Is it really. Look at Jordan he is a teacher of the game more then anything. I am sure Jordan could have lit up the board for 100 or 81 but he is a team player as well. As much as he hates to lose he knows that he neds a team to play with him as well. Kobe can shot all he wants but if he can never get along with other players then he will never win a title.

You're reaching. Jordan was just as selfish as Kobe was w/ the ball at times. He's only applauded because he won two three-peats, but he never would have w/out Pippen.

You seem to be sure of a lot for someone who regards 'feeling of self' over 'undisputable evidence'.

Haters catch feelings very easily.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Ultimate_Superman]

You're reaching. Jordan was just as selfish as Kobe was w/ the ball at times. He's only applauded because he won two three-peats, but he never would have w/out Pippen.

You seem to be sure of a lot for someone who regards 'feeling of self' over 'undisputable evidence'.

Haters catch feelings very easily.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gifNo I'm not I am just saying Jordan had a team because he was able to get along with people. Kobe had a team but drove them all away and thats his problem. Kobe needs to learn ht it means to be a team instead of shooting all the time. This offseason Kobe should spend time with his team trying to improve them instead of acting like a loner.

[DarthRekal]

one game wow

jordans was one game too but you revel in it...didnt you????


he's a 2 guard not a point guard..the two guards nickname is SHOOTING guard...theres not that many 2 guards averaging high in assists.....

and read my post he AVERAGED a WHOLE year 7 boards and 6 assists...at the TWO....


maybe alpha is right ..rational thought may be beyond you...


and jordan wasnt ALWAYS a great teacher..not at 27 by far

[Superman_20]

Kobe's 81 is the best single game performance, he did take 46 shots from the field, he had 8 lay ups, his 18 of 20 free throws, but i don't see how that is related to jordan though, jordan was a different player, he didn't take as many shots, he was a better defensive player, he was a better team player, he trusted his team (of course his team was actually good) but a great single game isn't supposed to immediately bring so many comparisons about who is better... (kobe is the best player offensively right now, but jordan was the best player) they also did not guard kobe too well, kobe just started taking all the shots and they just stood around watching, they didn't cover him well enough obviously, they let one man beat them, if he is taking every shot, then they should have been on him and assumed that he was going to keep taking shots all the time, and kobe did the right thing, he kept on driving and shooting until they would stop him, and if you have one player having to take 66 - 70 shots, then they need to make some changes

[Alpha and Omega]

No I'm not I am just saying Jordan had a team because he was able to get along with people. Kobe had a team but drove them all away and thats his problem. Kobe needs to learn ht it means to be a team instead of shooting all the time. This offseason Kobe should spend time with his team trying to improve them instead of acting like a loner.

Have you seen the ESPN interviews where Phil says that the problem wasn't just Kobe's fault. He openly admitted that it was a combination of Shaq complaining, Kobe refusing to budge, and his own inability to quell the situation before it happened. Seriously, the team was Kobe and Shaq. The remnants are there, and what does that tell you?
(Karl Malone and Gary Payton don't count as Lakers. They went there to try to win and did little, if anything in the playoffs.)

[Stringer]

Only qualities Kobe and Jordan share is overall talent and the ability to close games. Kobe does not possess the leadership nor knowledge of the game that Jordan did.

[Alpha and Omega]

Only qualities Kobe and Jordan share is overall talent and the ability to close games. Kobe does not possess the leadership nor knowledge of the game that Jordan did.

That is true. I've seen many players including Kobe who probably are more talented and possess the same qualities physically, but I have never seen another player who was so mentally complete. Jordan was a great competitor and he was the best mentally.:up: Jordan always said that the game was 80 percent mental and 20 percent physical.

[Superman_20]

Only qualities Kobe and Jordan share is overall talent and the ability to close games. Kobe does not possess the leadership nor knowledge of the game that Jordan did.

i agree, and kobe has offensive talent, he is not a good a defender or passer as jordan was, but jordan just seemed as if he could "will" his team to win, kobe can shoot over players and hit tough shots, but jordan was always faster and quicker (the dramatic dunk over ewing, the pippen free-throw pick up, the hang-time dunk with the houston foul against the knicks, the hornets dunk around chapman over kelly's back when kelly couldn't get the hell out of the way quick enough) and michael jordan had what no one else had... the ability to hit the impossible shots, how many times was jordan double and even tripled teamed and fouled and he could still finish the plays, behind the back, from the floor, switching hands in mid air, changing positions and improvising plays in mid-air as if he could just hang in the air forever, kobe has a good jumper this season, but he does not have the entire physical ability to finish as jordan did, and i dont think that he has learned to play the game mentally either, because you had to stand up to jordan physically but also mentally because he would hit the shot and then tell you about it and torment you and that makes it seem like a 1 on 1 competition which takes away from the other teams team concept, and we still have to see if kobe will win 6 championships and 6 MVP awards, and be defensive player of the year, and finish his career with a 30 point lifetime average (kobe's lifetime average is 23)

[Stringer]

Good follow ups guys. Im in total agreement.

[DarthRekal]

i agree, and kobe has offensive talent, he is not a good a defender or passer as jordan was, but jordan just seemed as if he could "will" his team to win, kobe can shoot over players and hit tough shots, but jordan was always faster and quicker, and michael jordan had what no one else had... the ability to hit the impossible shots, how many times was jordan double and even tripled teamed and fouled and he could still finish the plays, behind the back, from the floor, switching hands in mid air, changing positions and improvising plays in mid-air as if he could just hang in the air forever, kobe has a good jumper this season, but he does not have the entire physical ability to finish as jordan did, and i dont think that he has learned to play the game mentally either, because you had to stand up to jordan physically but also mentally because he would hit the shot and then tell you about it and torment you and that makes it seem like a 1 on 1 competition which takes away from the other teams team concept, and we still have to see if kobe will win 6 championships and 6 MVP awards, and be defensive player of the year, and finish his career with a 30 point lifetime average (kobe's lifetime average is 23)

agree somewhat..kobe is still an unproven leader..but i digress jordan was not this far along at 27....cmon guys....i watched kobe bryant since he was a pup..and he can finish ANY shot.....it wasnt always the case but it is now

[Alpha and Omega]

agree somewhat..kobe is still an unproven leader..but i digress jordan was not this far along at 27....cmon guys....i watched kobe bryant since he was a pup..and he can finish ANY shot.....it wasnt always the case but it is now

Kobe is undoubtedly better than Jordan at 27. Jordan didn't have any of his titles nor 90 percent of his accomplishments. That was a very excellent point.

Jordan did not win his first until he was 28. Kobe's 3up.
Player vs Player comparison: Jordan has the edge overall obviously because of the mental aspect and his unique ability to close games consistently.

Kobe has the edge if you compare their statistics by age.

Guess what's even scarier? Lebron has both of them beat in a statistical age comparison.:eek:

[Superman_20]

agree somewhat..kobe is still an unproven leader..but i digress jordan was not this far along at 27....cmon guys....i watched kobe bryant since he was a pup..and he can finish ANY shot.....it wasnt always the case but it is now

as far as titles no, but as far as his scoring went, by the time jordan was 27, he had an average of over 30 points per season and had already been selected as MVP, and was all defensive first team

[DarthRekal]

Kobe is undoubtedly better than Jordan at 27. Jordan didn't have any of his titles nor 90 percent of his accomplishments. That was a very excellent point.

Jordan did not win his first until he was 28. Kobe's 3up.
Player vs Player comparison: Jordan has the edge overall obviously because of the mental aspect and his unique ability to close games consistently.

Kobe has the edge if you compare their statistics by age.

Guess what's even scarier? Lebron has both of them beat in a statistical age comparison.:eek:

excellent post..i agree totally...jordan is untouchable with ihs mentality.....

and lebron is SCURRY!


and supes kobes been first team all defnse three or four times already...only year was last year had he been left off of all defensive team....

be hes got him on MVP's...we'll see at the end of the year....:up:

[Stringer]

A lot of people dont know that Jordan not only hit the GW shot on Utah in the Finals he got the steal from Karl Malone prior to the shot on the other end. Theres a man that dominates both sides of the court. and he's a guard!

[DarthRekal]

A lot of people dont know that Jordan not only hit the GW shot on Utah in the Finals he got the steal from Karl Malone prior to the shot on the other end. Theres a man that dominates both sides of the court. and he's a guard!
still less recognize he pushed off bryon russell to get open for the shot:p

[Super_Ludacris]

Talking about Kobe is better than MJ was at 27, when Mike was 25 He was the MVP of the league. Don't sleep on 88 that was a classic year and he dominated in argubaly the best era of the league the 80's and 90's when he was in his 20's and early 30's too. Dont' sleep on '88 *****es! lol

[Super_Ludacris]

still less recognize he pushed off bryon russell to get open for the shot:p

that's Byron Russell, he slips off the end of the bench as a 12th man all the time

[DarthRekal]

Talking about Kobe is better than MJ was at 27, when Mike was 25 He was the MVP of the league. Don't sleep on 88 that was a classic year and he dominated in argubaly the best era of the league the 80's and 90's when he was in his 20's and early 30's too. Dont' sleep on '88 *****es! lol


88 was a great year wasnt it.....thats the year we won the championship....:up:

that happens quite alot though...14 times to be exact :O



no offence luda but its funny how people laud Jordan for being selfish and winning scoring titles and MVP's...but bash kobe for the same thing:(

[Alpha and Omega]

Talking about Kobe is better than MJ was at 27, when Mike was 25 He was the MVP of the league. Don't sleep on 88 that was a classic year and he dominated in argubaly the best era of the league the 80's and 90's when he was in his 20's and early 30's too. Dont' sleep on '88 *****es! lol

Kobe is still better at 27, and he has 7 more years until he'll retire. A lot can happen in 7 years.

[DarthRekal]

that's Byron Russell, he slips off the end of the bench as a 12th man all the time

LOL ......

[Stringer]

still less recognize he pushed off bryon russell to get open for the shot:p
Sucks for Jazz fans:o

[DarthRekal]

Sucks for Jazz fans:o

typical answer...... it was a joke....

[Alpha and Omega]

typical answer...... it was a joke....

on the jazz fans. . . :(
















http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif . . . fortunately I am not one of them, nor have I ever been.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Stringer]

typical answer...... it was a joke....
I know it was. The fact that its turned into a joke is what sucks for them along with the loss:up:

[DarthRekal]

on the jazz fans. . . :(

http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif . . . fortunately I am not one of them, nor have I ever been.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

AMEN! :up:


poor jazz fans......:(

[Super_Ludacris]

no offence luda but its funny how people laud Jordan for being selfish and winning scoring titles and MVP's...but bash kobe for the same thing:(

Well it's easier for Mike because you know he doesn't drive his teammates out of town and rape a girl who looks like an an extra from a WB show:O

*watches the Kobe Stan get :mad: *:bomb:

[Super_Ludacris]

Kobe is still better at 27, and he has 7 more years until he'll retire. A lot can happen in 7 years.

But the underlying fact remains while Kobe recieved his awards only while Shaq was there...

pre- championship Mike won his awards and achievements on his own

and as far as kobe/MJ age 25 go

MVP awards
Kobe=0
MJ=1 (88 was that year though lol)

[DarthRekal]

Well it's easier for Mike because you know he doesn't drive his teammates out of town and rape a girl who looks like an an extra from a WB show:O

*watches the Kobe Stan get :mad: *:bomb:


LOL!....... touche....but mike wasnt an angel either...people just put the blinders on...but you right its all perception

[Super_Ludacris]

Raping a girl and snitching on your teamates>>>> Gambling problem and punking Euro Trash in practice

[Alpha and Omega]

But the underlying fact remains while Kobe recieved his awards only while Shaq was there...

pre- championship Mike won his awards and achievements on his own

and as far as kobe/MJ age 25 go

MVP awards
Kobe=0
MJ=1 (88 was that year though lol)

oh geez, when I typed that last post, I knew you would bring that up. LOL!!http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif Yeah, Jordan bested Kobe in that respect, but Kobe has 2 MVP postseason/championship awards and Michael didn't have any at that time. True, Kobe had Shaq, but Shaq has never been successful by himself.

First there was Penny, then Kobe, and now Dwayne.
Penny was Batgirl, Kobe was the headstrong Nightwing, and Shaq finally found his perfect Robin in Wade; they still haven't won a Ship though.

Kobe has a better chance than Shaquille to win one IMO. He has time to develop w/ a team. Shaq only has 1 or 2 years of dominance left, and I don't see Miami beating Detroit in the Eastern conference games, and then beating a western team. It's too much for them.

MJ has one MVP, but if Kobe wins it this year, they'll tie, and it will only help him in his career. I guarantee you he'll win an MVP at some point. I don't think he will six times, but I would say two.

[DarthRekal]

Raping a girl and snitching on your teamates>>>> Gambling problem and punking Euro Trash in practice


snitching is wrong in all types of forms......i still dont believe he raped her....but again its all perception..... society has its heiarchy of sins...

[Alpha and Omega]

Raping a girl and snitching on your teamates>>>> Gambling problem and punking Euro Trash in practice

Allegedly

Not the first to do it

Still has it, but he's rich so who cares; he's an adult and he can spend his money however he wishes.

He ate European guards for breakfast, lunch, and dinner; oh well.

Kobe > Lebron (currently. This will undoubtedly change)
Kobe > LA Lakers
MJ > Kobe Happy?http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

Best guard in the game right now: Kobe

The fact that we are even comparing Kobe and Michael proves that. If I mentioned Ray Allen, Tracy Mcgrady, or Michael Finley, you would most definitely laugh at me. They're great players, but if they were in Kobe's situation, the LA Laker's team would play worse than the Bobcats.

[Super_Ludacris]

.

First there was Penny, then Kobe, and now Dwayne.
Penny was Batgirl, Kobe was the headstrong Nightwing, and Shaq finally found his perfect Robin in Wade; they still haven't won a Ship though.

.

If this is how you view Basketball I hope your mother revokes your tv.
But to play your game, by saying that you imply the Diesel is Batman. Them kids aint **** without Batman. No one gives a **** about them only Batman, shieeet who wanna check out a Nightwing story over Batman?

[Super_Ludacris]

Allegedly

Not the first to do it

Still has it, but he's rich so who cares; he's an adult and he can spend his money however he wishes.

He ate European guards for breakfast, lunch, and dinner; oh well.

Kobe > Lebron (currently. This will undoubtedly change)
Kobe > LA Lakers
MJ > Kobe Happy?http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

Best guard in the game right now: Kobe

The fact that we are even comparing Kobe and Michael proves that. If I mentioned Ray Allen, Tracy Mcgrady, or Michael Finley, you would most definitely laugh at me. They're great players, but if they were in Kobe's situation, the LA Laker's team would play worse than the Bobcats.


The bit I highlighted there only further proves you should stop watching the game althogether lol
Ray Allen and Micheal Finley rock Jordan brands, Mike co-signs them :)
and who said T-Mac is that dude :)

Snitching on your teammate while being interrogated= first and very gay

[Alpha and Omega]

If this is how you view Basketball I hope your mother revokes your tv.
But to play your game, by saying that you imply the Diesel is Batman. Them kids aint **** without Batman. No one gives a **** about them only Batman, shieeet who wanna check out a Nightwing story over Batman?

1st, it was a joke. Batman is King, but Nightwing was the rebel. It was joke; go w/ it. Its intention wasn't serious. You took offense, so uh. . . I'm sorry.:confused:

Cry on Kobe-hater.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif And NO, I don't live at home. I have my own place, so my mother dearest comes nowhere near my bigscreen. . . Myyyyyy prreecciousssss. . . You have reason to speak, Detroit is the best in the league. My dad's from Michigan, and he's a Detroit fan. If I can put up w/ his junk when I see him, I can take stuff from other Detroit fans. When it's the NBA, he's for Detroit. In College football-he loves Michigan. In hockey-Red Wings. Funny thing though: He disowned the Lions. Go figure??:confused: He's not a fairweather fan either, but he hates that organization; I think it's because of what they did to Barry Sanders.:confused:

Oh well, back on topic: Kobe is the MVP right now; His only legitimate competition is Steve Nash. Chauncey Billups is nowhere near those two. He has two Wallaces, a Tayshaun, and one of the best two-guards in the game: Rip.
Remember: MVP is the award for a player who is most important to their team.

[Super_Ludacris]

1st, it was a joke. Batman is King, but Nightwing was the rebel. It was joke; go w/ it. Its intention wasn't serious. You took offense, so uh. . . I'm sorry.:confused:

Cry on Kobe-hater.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif And NO, I don't live at home. I have my own place, so my mother dearest comes nowhere near my bigscreen. . . Myyyyyy prreecciousssss. . . You have reason to speak, Detroit is the best in the league. My dad's from Michigan, and he's a Detroit fan. If I can put up w/ his junk when I see him, I can take stuff from other Detroit fans. When it's the NBA, he's for Detroit. In College football-he loves Michigan. In hockey-Red Wings. Funny thing though: He disowned the Lions. Go figure??:confused: He's not a fairweather fan either, but he hates that organization; I think it's because of what they did to Barry Sanders.:confused:

Oh well, back on topic: Kobe is the MVP right now; His only legitimate competition is Steve Nash. Chauncey Billups is nowhere near those two. He has two Wallaces, a Tayshaun, and one of the best two-guards in the game: Rip.
Remember: MVP is the award for a player who is most important to their team.

Right and Chauncey is the PG so he's most important to his team, logic tells you therefore that if your that on the best and dominant team
I dont really care about other teams in the D, **** to tell the truth I'm not even a die hard Pistons fan, I just love the NBA and I dont take it seriously when people diss a player I like (unlike some homotional stans) so I dont care if you built a shield of resistance from Michigan sports fans or whatever it is you do with all that spare time lol
I know you aint just try to sound like gollum....wild ghey
Oh another thing, Nightwing=Dicky Grayson, when Dick Grayson was Robin he ran around with no pants on.........When Kobe runs around Colorado he got no pants on! lol stop trying to follow the dude with no pants b, you killin your rep right now lol

[Alpha and Omega]

Right and Chauncey is the PG so he's most important to his team, logic tells you therefore that if your that on the best and dominant team
I dont really care about other teams in the D, **** to tell the truth I'm not even a die hard Pistons fan, I just love the NBA and I dont take it seriously when people diss a player I like (unlike some homotional stans) so I dont care if you built a shield of resistance from Michigan sports fans or whatever it is you do with all that spare time lol
I know you aint just try to sound like gollum....wild ghey
Oh another thing, Nightwing=Dicky Grayson, when Dick Grayson was Robin he ran around with no pants on.........When Kobe runs around Colorado he got no pants on! lol stop trying to follow the dude with no pants b, you killin your rep right now lol

yeah. . . that was a good one . . .:( . . .low but a good one. . .:(
Chauncey should be in consideration, but on a team as stacked as Detroit, I don't see him winning. He has the best teammates in the league. Steve Nash has good teammates but they're nothing w/out his direction.
How great do you think LAL are w/out Kobe?

I did make a gollum reference: wild ghey? Not really. I'm a pretty nonchalant guy. I'm too calm to ever really stress over B-ball or a lot of other things. There are many more important issues, but B-ball is fun recreational viewing for me.:up:

Oh and about my rep. I don't have one. I don't need it. They're useless, and I'm not a 'false pretense' type of person. Reps are for people who want to have a certain image, and I will never be associated w/ those types. They're shallow, and ridiculous. Maybe Kobe fits into this category, but I just watch for the love of the sport.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

[DarthRekal]

chauncey wont get it..too many intregal parts...cat is doing his thing though dont get me wrong..... its d town is viewed as a WHOLE not the sum of its parts...... where as nash and kobes are being recognized for carrying their teams ...... POPULARITY contest is all the MVP is ...whoever wows the public the most that year wins.... LOOK AT WHO votes for them..not the players..not the coaches...effin sportswriters...and we all know how perfect and UNBIASED they are:o

[Alpha and Omega]

chauncey wont get it..too many intregal parts...cat is doing his thing though dont get me wrong..... its d town is viewed as a WHOLE not the sum of its parts...... where as nash and kobes are being recognized for carrying their teams ...... POPULARITY contest is all the MVP is ...whoever wows the public the most that year wins.... LOOK AT WHO votes for them..not the players..not the coaches...effin sportswriters...and we all know how perfect and UNBIASED they are:o

exactly. Right now, they're screaming two names: Nash and Kobe. They are full of crap, but they vote for the MVP.

[Super_Ludacris]

If Detroit dominates the league and one of there players doesn't win the MVP something's wrong.

[DarthRekal]

If Detroit dominates the league and one of there players doesn't win the MVP something's wrong.


agreed but it happened last year...and the years when the lakers dominated....so it wont be the first time...

[Alpha and Omega]

If Detroit dominates the league and one of there players doesn't win the MVP something's wrong.

They cancel each other out. Chauncey would have a better case if Rip wasn't on the team. This is an individual reward. If you have exceptional teammates, you're less likely to win because its about who is MOST important to the team. If Chauncey was not on Detroit, they would still have a winning record. If Nash was not on Phoenix, they would probably stay around .500. If Kobe wasn't on LAL, they'd be the worst team in the league.

[DarthRekal]

If Kobe wasn't on LAL, they'd be the worst team in the league.


LOL ...sad but true:(

[Superman_20]

A lot of people dont know that Jordan not only hit the GW shot on Utah in the Finals he got the steal from Karl Malone prior to the shot on the other end. Theres a man that dominates both sides of the court. and he's a guard!

he always could control both sides of the court, against the knicks jordan gets the lay up, steals the in bounds pass and the X man steals it back, and has the wide open lay up and jordan got the clean block from behind, he could just hurt you on either side, kobe can't do that, but the torch has been passed and without a doubt kobe he is the best player in the NBA right now

If Kobe wasn't on LAL, they'd be the worst team in the league.


kobe is pretty much a team all on his own, he doesn't pass the ball and takes every shot he possibly can even in coverage, that says a lot about how much he trusts his team when he trusts his shot with a hand in his face more than the shots from the rest of his team which might not be as tightly guarded as him

[Immortalfire]

Hawks beat Pacers :up:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I don't understand why everyone is hating on Kobe dropping 81? If Jordan dropped 81 everyone would be slurping him with wreckless abandonment. And don't give me that **** about Jordan was all about the team, bull****. Jordan wanted to win first. He was all about the team huh? Then why did he retire early? Why did he retire again to come back with another team?

I am sure he did it because he put the team first. Look the difference between Jordan and Kobe (other than their game) is how they handle the media/fan attention.

People brining up Kobe being selfish is retarded. Of course he is selfish to drop 81 points, you have to be! You think Jordan wasn't selfish dropping 69 points?

And everyone needs to stop comparing Kobe to Jordan in terms of their game bing the same or Kobe's being better. Yes Jordan had Pippen, not Shaq!

Let's get this straight everyone. Who would you rather build a Franchise around in their prime? Pippen or Shaq? Exactly.

Who would you rather pick as your running mate if you could only have one? Pippen or Shaq in their prime? Exactly.

It takes nothing away from what Kobe did with Shaq and although Pippen may have been a far better all around player than Shaq ever was, Shaq was as far beyond Pippen in being a, no sorry THE dominate player he was.

Not to mention the fact that Kobe is playing in an era where the NBA is not what it used to be. Jordan played in the majority of the 80's (arguable one of the best decades ever for the NBA) and the 90's (an equally tough era.)Let's face it, there are few players that could hang with the teams of those years, many of which could run and gun with the Suns and play hard nosed D like the Pistons and Spurs.

Kobe is propelling/willing himself into that Jordan/Magic like category. He is already mentioned in the same breath but until he wins at least 1-2 more championships without Shaq (and hopefully a better running mate than Odom) he won't be able to eclipse Jordan's legacy.

I am not a Kobe fan nor have I ever been, and I am not jumping on the bandwagon, but I will not deny nor have I ever, that the guy is just ridiclously talented.

A friend of mine and I were talking about Kobe's 81 and he said "I have mix feelings about it, did I miss something about Kobe's 81?"

I couldn't believe that he doesn't realize how amazing a feat that is. I personally put it above Wilt's 100, yes that's right I said it.

1) Wilt was the Shaq of his era by far, if not even more dominate.

2) Add that to the fact that there was no Shot clock in 62

3) There was no 3 second violation.

4) Kobe was 28/46 NOK tonight were 27/76 and only scored 78

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Kobe is undoubtedly better than Jordan at 27. Jordan didn't have any of his titles nor 90 percent of his accomplishments. That was a very excellent point.

Jordan did not win his first until he was 28. Kobe's 3up.
Player vs Player comparison: Jordan has the edge overall obviously because of the mental aspect and his unique ability to close games consistently.

Kobe has the edge if you compare their statistics by age.

Guess what's even scarier? Lebron has both of them beat in a statistical age comparison.:eek:

First of all I don't understand how people always say he did this by this age or did this by that age. What about by how many years they have been in the league? Kobe jumped in right out of highschool, Jordan didn't get there until he was what? 21? 22?

So talk years in the league not age. Also in Kobe's tenth year in the league how many scoring titles does he have? 0. Jordan retired with 10, and it would have been 12 no doubt.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Few means: not many, but more than one.:confused:

couple means two, so a few can't mean two a few is three or more:confused:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well it is very easy to get 81 points when you dont pass the ball. I mean come on now out of that whole time he only passed the ball twice.

HAHAHAHAHA LMFAO!!! HAHAHAHA! Take a look at how many shots Iverson has jacked up in his highest shooting performances then come back and tell me it's easy to score 81 points. No knock to Iverson, just an example of how ignorant you are.

[Super_Ludacris]

No one is hating Kobe's 81, it's just when the ryders dissmiss the next man because there boy scored 81.

on a side note Mcgrady had 40+ points on consecutive nights today and yesterday. He outscored the Bucks by himself in 3rd and 4th and last night it was a close against detroit and his 43 points are the most the Pistons have allowed on a player this season

[MSwift]

That's very easy to say if you never saw the game. The stat sheets don't say how many times he passed the ball, and how many times everyone else missed. He could've had 10 assists EASILY. Most of that is evident by the fact that the first half was spent trying to do what everyone else says he SHOULD do.... get his teammaetes involved... only, they weren't doing anything.

Normally, I'd mock a performance like this.... but it was a perfect example of doing what's needed for the win. The Lakers have a problem... but it's NOT Kobe Bryant. Smush Parker is fast becoming the #2 man because stupid Odom won't step up and do a damn thing. The reason why Jordan never did what Kobe did because he always had Pippen. Kobe can score 81.... hell, he can score 100 on a good night... but until he has someone to pass the ball to, his points will stay up, and his assists will stay low. Doesn't mean he doesn't pass the ball.

You're right on the money with this. In order to get assists, your teamates have to make shots. When Sasha Vujacic is your 6th man, your team is definitely EXTREMELY low on talent. It's very hard for Kobe to get assists when the NBDL bunch A.K.A. his "supporting cast" are all missing the wide open shots that he creates for them. The only guy that can make an open jumper (Puppy Crap A.K.A. Brian Cook) isn't playing too much right now. Kwame Brown can't even make an open layup. Against Sacto, he got an open look (off a Kobe pass) and shot a "Air-layup." But i guess it's Kobe's fault cause apparantly everything is. If Mitch Cupcake can wake up and somehow bring in a 2nd option, Kobe's shots will go down, and his assists will go up.
Y'all really need to get of this kid's back, I'll be the 1st to critique Kobe when he forces shots and plays selfish ball. I ripped him to shreads during the Finals in 03-04 because that was the most selfish display of basketball I had ever seen. That was then, when he did have talent around him. This year (and every year other than 03-04), he tries to get his teamates going and involved early, but when they start missing and falling behind, he takes over. Isn't that what all the greats do? Will ur team to a win?
I'm sure a lot of u don't watch every Laker game, you all just go along and base ur opinion on what ESPN and all the Woody Paige's, Jay Marrioti's, Michale Wilbon's in the world (who by the way don't watch these games cause they're on so late for them) tell you. To say that anybody can score 81 points is just ridiculous. it's only happened....hmmmm....lemme count it.......um.....once b4!!! What an amazing game that was to watch. U really should appreciate it cause u might not ever see it happen again.
anyway, this is a good read that Jordan's former teamate Steve Kerr wrote for Yahoo. Enjoy.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=sk-kobe012306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns :up:

[DarthRekal]

You're right on the money with this. In order to get assists, your teamates have to make shots. When Sasha Vujacic is your 6th man, your team is definitely EXTREMELY low on talent. It's very hard for Kobe to get assists when the NBDL bunch A.K.A. his "supporting cast" are all missing the wide open shots that he creates for them. The only guy that can make an open jumper (Puppy Crap A.K.A. Brian Cook) isn't playing too much right now. Kwame Brown can't even make an open layup. Against Sacto, he got an open look (off a Kobe pass) and shot a "Air-layup." But i guess it's Kobe's fault cause apparantly everything is. If Mitch Cupcake can wake up and somehow bring in a 2nd option, Kobe's shots will go down, and his assists will go up.
Y'all really need to get of this kid's back, I'll be the 1st to critique Kobe when he forces shots and plays selfish ball. I ripped him to shreads during the Finals in 03-04 because that was the most selfish display of basketball I had ever seen. That was then, when he did have talent around him. This year (and every year other than 03-04), he tries to get his teamates going and involved early, but when they start missing and falling behind, he takes over. Isn't that what all the greats do? Will ur team to a win?
I'm sure a lot of u don't watch every Laker game, you all just go along and base ur opinion on what ESPN and all the Woody Paige's, Jay Marrioti's, Michale Wilbon's in the world (who by the way don't watch these games cause they're on so late for them) tell you. To say that anybody can score 81 points is just ridiculous. it's only happened....hmmmm....lemme count it.......um.....once b4!!! What an amazing game that was to watch. U really should appreciate it cause u might not ever see it happen again.
anyway, this is a good read that Jordan's former teamate Steve Kerr wrote for Yahoo. Enjoy.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=sk-kobe012306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns :up:

good post:up:

[The Punisher]

I'm a big fan of the NBA and this is my first post. I agree with what you said MSwift.

[Equint77]

If Detroit dominates the league and one of there players doesn't win the MVP something's wrong.

actually it shows that there isn't one player the DEPEND soley on to win... that's the true mark of a team.

If you take Nash out of Phoenix they're lotto... when Shaq was MVP and if he was taken out, they'd be no where, same thing with Duncan in SA.

In Detroit, they can win missing Chauncy, RIP, Prince... hell they can even make up losing Ben with their depth.

[DarthRekal]

I'm a big fan of the NBA and this is my first post. I agree with what you said MSwift.

welcome to the HYPE!:up:

[NOFX]

2005-06 Power Rankings: Week 12
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (1) Pistons 33-5 In case you've stopped paying attention, Pistons could soon match Tigers' famed 35-5 start in 1984. Which figures to reignite the 70-win talk, like it or not.
2 (3) Mavericks 31-10 The cynic would say Mavs waited too long to sit Dampier. Life was good before the benching, but now look: Dallas is 5-0 since with an average victory margin of 21.
3 (2) Spurs 31-10 With four quality wins after the Detroit debacle, Spurs don't drop because of their play. They drop because their second most important player keeps getting hurt.
4 (4) Suns 26-14 Check that. If you want to beat these guys, taking them to double overtime works, too. Seattle didn't need a third to heap more OT misery on Suns.
5 (14) Nuggets 23-19 On second thought, this month's 9-2 record -- all without Camby -- might indeed be enough to make 'Melo an All-Star. Even in the West, are there five better Fs?
6 (5) Grizzlies 24-15 It'll be interesting to see how Grizz deal with their first crisis of the season. Not that slipping to sixth (and out of the SA-DAL bracket) would be so bad for them.
7 (9) Nets 22-16 Just for fun, let's assume Nets beat Heat out for the No. 2 seed and home-court advantage in Round 2. Would you still pick Miami to win that series?
8 (6) Heat 24-17 It was Riley, not me, who called Miami a ''41-game disappointment.'' But the ''new'' East is so disappointing that Heat probably snare the No. 2 seed no matter what.
9 (10) Lakers 22-19 Even before Kobe's 81, Zenmeister wasn't lowering expectations. Says Phil, regarding Artest: ''We're like a player away from really stepping into another level.''
10 (11) Cavaliers 21-17 Only downer about those skid-halting 51 points in Utah: LBJ played so well in those compression tights that he'll have to keep wearing them.
11 (16) Hornets 20-20 Folks are actually starting to ask where Hornets would stage playoff games, Which is another way of saying things are going too well to mess with Artest. Aren't they?
12 (8) Jazz 20-21 Uh-oh. After all the fuss over their record with (17-8) and without (2-8) their star, Jazz go on to drop four of five with no Kirilenko injury to blame it on.
13 (13) Clippers 21-16 Clips are a passable 4-2 since dropping within three games of .500. Tough, though, to get noticed in L.A. when Kobe's going for 50-something every other game.
14 (12) Bucks 21-18 How does a team get over its first loss in a tight game? In Bucks' case, games against Hawks and Bobcats couldn't have come at a better time.
15 (7) Pacers 21-18 If it's up to Pacers to lift the city spirits, post-Colts ... uh-oh. They're 9-11 since Artest's trade demand and down to a month left before the deadline to swing a deal.
16 (15) 76ers 20-20 Team of the Week? Try Roller Coaster of the Week, with Webber and Iverson blowups, then the OT win over Memphis and the comeback in Minny.
17 (20) Warriors 19-20 Warriors insist their recent slump was the byproduct of a rough schedule stretch. Fine. Prove it to us with six of the next eight games at home.
18 (17) Timberwolves 19-19 A national TV audience saw firsthand why we call them the anti-Bucks. Blowing a 19-point lead to Philly dropped Minny to 0-6 in games decided by three or fewer points.
19 (18) Wizards 17-21 Like Toronto's Mitchell and Atlanta's Woodson, Wiz coach Jordan manufactures a winning run -- 6-3 since an embarrassing rout at NY -- when he needs it most.
20 (23) Kings 17-23 Good times/bad times: Routed Suns, welcomed back Peja and Reef, upped their win streak to three ... then opened a six-game trip with an OT loss at Orlando.
21 (27) Magic 16-22 Slick trick from Magic management, which unsuspended Francis and assured him he won't be traded. Not a tough promise to make when interest is so low.
22 (22) Bulls 17-23 One big reason for Bulls' struggles: Before Saturday's 15 points and 14 boards in a victory at Indy, Chandler had 10 points ... for the entire month.
23 (19) Raptors 14-27 You're not alone. We, too, wondered whether the Pape Sow recall from the D-League was made solely to persuade the committee (of one) to keep Raps in the teens.
24 (24) Trail Blazers 14-25 Giving my Zach rants a rest this week has enabled me to notice that, hey, Nate's Blazers have pretty much caught his old team in the standings, too.
25 (26) SuperSonics 16-24 Third time hasn't been so charming for Hill. After winning records as an interim coach in NY ('86) and Indy ('90), he's only 3-7 here even after Sunday's thriller in PHX.
26 (25) Celtics 16-24 Not what my man Simmons or any other Boston Sports Fan wants to hear right now, especially so soon after Patriots' demise ... but Ainge says Doc is going nowhere.
27 (29) Rockets 13-26 This has become something bigger than a problem. Houston hasn't won a home game since Dec. 6, which shouldn't happen even without T-Mac.
28 (21) Knicks 13-26 He might not be the best point guard in the league, as Steph famously claimed last season, but Knicks are clearly worse without him. A lot worse.
29 (30) Hawks 10-28 There was never any great fear someone would challenge the all-time futility record of 9-73. Hawks are relieved just the same to make it official.
30 (28) Bobcats 11-30 Houston ain't the only one with beaucoup injury problems. Bobcats just lost another key name when Wallace, finally looking like the November Wallace, went down again

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

actually it shows that there isn't one player the DEPEND soley on to win... that's the true mark of a team.

If you take Nash out of Phoenix they're lotto... when Shaq was MVP and if he was taken out, they'd be no where, same thing with Duncan in SA.

In Detroit, they can win missing Chauncy, RIP, Prince... hell they can even make up losing Ben with their depth.

Agreed :up:

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No one is hating Kobe's 81, it's just when the ryders dissmiss the next man because there boy scored 81.

on a side note Mcgrady had 40+ points on consecutive nights today and yesterday. He outscored the Bucks by himself in 3rd and 4th and last night it was a close against detroit and his 43 points are the most the Pistons have allowed on a player this season

Sure they are, tons of people are, hell even people here have posted they disapprove of it or one aspect of his performance in one way or another.

And as far as T-Mac goes, I still stand by all my earlier statements.

[Alpha and Omega]

The East is obviously Detroit's. Who do you think will come out from the West? I'm not sure the Spurs can do it, unless everyone is healthy. If Amare comes back, and he gels relatively quickly w/ his teammates, Phoenix could make some real noise in the west. (Well that, and they need to play better D, or any kind of D for that matter.)

[Alpha and Omega]

actually it shows that there isn't one player the DEPEND soley on to win... that's the true mark of a team.

If you take Nash out of Phoenix they're lotto... when Shaq was MVP and if he was taken out, they'd be no where, same thing with Duncan in SA.

In Detroit, they can win missing Chauncy, RIP, Prince... hell they can even make up losing Ben with their depth.

That's basically why the MVP talk is for Nash and Kobe this season. Detroits great players sort of cancel each other out as unfair as that may be. Everyone may not agree, but ESPN, CSN, and USA Today only mention those two (Steve and no.8) on a frequent basis.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

The East is obviously Detroit's. Who do you think will come out from the West? I'm not sure the Spurs can do it, unless everyone is healthy. If Amare comes back, and he gels relatively quickly w/ his teammates, Phoenix could make some real noise in the west. (Well that, and they need to play better D, or any kind of D for that matter.)

The Spurs are going all the way, Phoenix, Dallas and Memphis prove the only problems for them unlike The Pistions who have no one to challenge them. But don't look at the Spurs right now as playing at their best, they are pretty much coasting right now. Take a closer look at them when it becomes March or April, then you will see how they really play ball. Granted Health is a concern but not as big as one as people might think for them. They are still pretty deep.

And unless Shaq gets very healthy the Heat are worse off this year than they were last year.

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But see I dont think so. Because one of the reasons the Pistons play so well is there ball movement from transition defense to offense. If Arroyo is running the point that doesn't happen
Have you watched a lot of the Pistons games this season? In the early part a lot of there wins came from come from behind runs. Led by Chauncey. His handling of the ball is at the core of why they are so dominate. Flip letting Chauncey run the plays with more fluidity is one of the reasons you gotta consider him as an MVP candidate.
You guys watch ESPN and TNT, a month ago they were talking about Chauncey being considered a candidate.
It's not that far of a reach

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But see I dont think so. Because one of the reasons the Pistons play so well is there ball movement from transition defense to offense. If Arroyo is running the point that doesn't happen
Have you watched a lot of the Pistons games this season? In the early part a lot of there wins came from come from behind runs. Led by Chauncey. His handling of the ball is at the core of why they are so dominate. Flip letting Chauncey run the plays with more fluidity is one of the reasons you gotta consider him as an MVP candidate.
You guys watch ESPN and TNT, a month ago they were talking about Chauncey being considered a candidate.
It's not that far of a reach

You may be right but the fact that is on the best starting 5 lineup hurt his chances.

[NOFX]

Has there ever been a player who won the mvp on an average team???

[Equint77]

But see I dont think so. Because one of the reasons the Pistons play so well is there ball movement from transition defense to offense. If Arroyo is running the point that doesn't happen
Have you watched a lot of the Pistons games this season? In the early part a lot of there wins came from come from behind runs. Led by Chauncey. His handling of the ball is at the core of why they are so dominate. Flip letting Chauncey run the plays with more fluidity is one of the reasons you gotta consider him as an MVP candidate.
You guys watch ESPN and TNT, a month ago they were talking about Chauncey being considered a candidate.
It's not that far of a reach

I agree. I guess it's not as cut and dry as I thought. But honestly if you look at the last 5-6 MVP's. If you took them away from their teams would the win? Would the even function? I sorta believe that even if you take Chauncey away that Detriot still has enough to have a respectable season.

[Alpha and Omega]

And unless Shaq gets very healthy the Heat are worse off this year than they were last year.

Yeah, the games after the All-Star break are the real competitive ones, because teams know the playoffs are close.

For all of Miami's trades, they were better last year. Maybe they haven't learned how to play together. Maybe Stan Van Gundy shouldn't have been railroaded by tricky Pat.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

I favor a healthy Spurs team, but if they're not, it will be a challenge. Duncan has an injury that will plague him all year. I can't remember the technical term, but it deals w/ the lack of arch in his foot.

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Has there ever been a player who won the mvp on an average team???

In the NBA or sports in general?

[Equint77]

Has there ever been a player who won the mvp on an average team???

Nah... luckily the people who award this thing acknowledge that team success is a huge part of what makes an MVP.. who cares if a guy averages 50 points a game for a year and their team has only one 20 games?

And also... who wants to see an MVP not even make the playoffs and continue his season? I think I'd be weirded out if that ever happened. :confused:

[Alpha and Omega]

Has there ever been a player who won the mvp on an average team???

You have to at least make it to the playoffs(the deeper the better), and have phenomenal overall statistics.

[NOFX]

In the NBA or sports in general?
NBA of course because I dont recall any players in the NBA winning the mvp on an average team. There teams are usually title contenders!

[NOFX]

Nah... luckily the people who award this thing acknowledge that team success is a huge part of what makes an MVP.. who cares if a guy averages 50 points a game for a year and their team has only one 20 games?

And also... who wants to see an MVP not even make the playoffs and continue his season? I think I'd be weirded out if that ever happened. :confused:
Exactly

[NOFX]

You have to at least make it to the playoffs(the deeper the better), and have phenomenal overall statistics.
I define an average team who is only content in making the playoffs:o

[Alpha and Omega]

I define an average team who is only content in making the playoffs:o

uh, I wasn't talking in terms of motivation or desired goal. I was talking about accomplishment. Only two teams make it to the Championship, and only one has a successful season. An MVP of the regular season only has to make it to the playoffs, and win a few rounds to be considered, if his season was amazing. Right now, I think Nash has the slight edge, but Kobe is a contender. Chauncey is also a candidate(he's underrated, but his teammates hurt his chances for individual awards.)

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NBA of course because I dont recall any players in the NBA winning the mvp on an average team. There teams are usually title contenders!


1955-56 - Bob Pettit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Pettit), St. Louis Hawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Hawks)
1956-57 - Bob Cousy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Cousy), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1957-58 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1958-59 - Bob Pettit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Pettit), St. Louis Hawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Hawks)
1959-60 - Wilt Chamberlain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain), Philadelphia Warriors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Warriors)
1960-61 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1961-62 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1962-63 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1963-64 - Oscar Robertson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Robertson), Cincinnati Royals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings)
1964-65 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1965-66 - Wilt Chamberlain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1966-67 - Wilt Chamberlain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1967-68 - Wilt Chamberlain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1968-69 - Wes Unseld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Unseld), Baltimore Bullets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Wizards)
1969-70 - Willis Reed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Reed), New York Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Knicks)
1970-71 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Milwaukee Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks)
1971-72 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Milwaukee Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks)
1972-73 - Dave Cowens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cowens), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1973-74 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Milwaukee Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks)
1974-75 - Bob McAdoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_McAdoo), Buffalo Braves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Clippers)
1975-76 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1976-77 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1977-78 - Bill Walton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Walton), Portland Trail Blazers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Trail_Blazers)
1978-79 - Moses Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone), Houston Rockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Rockets)
1979-80 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1980-81 - Julius Erving (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Erving), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1981-82 - Moses Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone), Houston Rockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Rockets)
1982-83 - Moses Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1983-84 - Larry Bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Bird), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1984-85 - Larry Bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Bird), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1985-86 - Larry Bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Bird), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1986-87 - Magic Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1987-88 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1988-89 - Magic Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1989-90 - Magic Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1990-91 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1991-92 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1992-93 - Charles Barkley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Barkley), Phoenix Suns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Suns)
1993-94 - Hakeem Olajuwon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Olajuwon), Houston Rockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Rockets)
1994-95 - David Robinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Robinson_%28basketball_player%29), San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs)
1995-96 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1996-97 - Karl Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malone), Utah Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Jazz)
1997-98 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1998-99 - Karl Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malone), Utah Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Jazz)
1999-00 - Shaquille O'Neal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaquille_O%27Neal), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
2000-01 - Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
2001-02 - Tim Duncan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan), San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs)
2002-03 - Tim Duncan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan), San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs)
2003-04 - Kevin Garnett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Garnett), Minnesota Timberwolves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Timberwolves)
2004-05 - Steve Nash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Nash), Phoenix Suns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Suns)

[Super_Ludacris]

I think there was one MVP whose team didn't make the playoffs, like in the 70's

[Alpha and Omega]

1955-56 - Bob Pettit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Pettit), St. Louis Hawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Hawks)
1956-57 - Bob Cousy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Cousy), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1957-58 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1958-59 - Bob Pettit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Pettit), St. Louis Hawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Hawks)
1959-60 - Wilt Chamberlain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain), Philadelphia Warriors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Warriors)
1960-61 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1961-62 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1962-63 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1963-64 - Oscar Robertson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Robertson), Cincinnati Royals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings)
1964-65 - Bill Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28basketball%29), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1965-66 - Wilt Chamberlain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1966-67 - Wilt Chamberlain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1967-68 - Wilt Chamberlain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1968-69 - Wes Unseld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Unseld), Baltimore Bullets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Wizards)
1969-70 - Willis Reed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Reed), New York Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Knicks)
1970-71 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Milwaukee Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks)
1971-72 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Milwaukee Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks)
1972-73 - Dave Cowens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cowens), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1973-74 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Milwaukee Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_Bucks)
1974-75 - Bob McAdoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_McAdoo), Buffalo Braves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Clippers)
1975-76 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1976-77 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1977-78 - Bill Walton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Walton), Portland Trail Blazers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Trail_Blazers)
1978-79 - Moses Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone), Houston Rockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Rockets)
1979-80 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul-Jabbar), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1980-81 - Julius Erving (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Erving), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1981-82 - Moses Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone), Houston Rockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Rockets)
1982-83 - Moses Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
1983-84 - Larry Bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Bird), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1984-85 - Larry Bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Bird), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1985-86 - Larry Bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Bird), Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics)
1986-87 - Magic Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1987-88 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1988-89 - Magic Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1989-90 - Magic Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
1990-91 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1991-92 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1992-93 - Charles Barkley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Barkley), Phoenix Suns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Suns)
1993-94 - Hakeem Olajuwon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Olajuwon), Houston Rockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Rockets)
1994-95 - David Robinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Robinson_%28basketball_player%29), San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs)
1995-96 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1996-97 - Karl Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malone), Utah Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Jazz)
1997-98 - Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
1998-99 - Karl Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malone), Utah Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Jazz)
1999-00 - Shaquille O'Neal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaquille_O%27Neal), Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)
2000-01 - Allen Iverson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Iverson), Philadelphia 76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_76ers)
2001-02 - Tim Duncan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan), San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs)
2002-03 - Tim Duncan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan), San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs)
2003-04 - Kevin Garnett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Garnett), Minnesota Timberwolves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Timberwolves)
2004-05 - Steve Nash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Nash), Phoenix Suns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Suns)

Wow. That's some good company. Things are looking good for Steve and have considerably improved for Chauncey.

[Doomed_hero]

Wow, I am behind and just watched the game where Kobe scored 81 points. And I don't care what anyone says, that is worthy of all the praise. His team was down by nearly 15 at the half, so he did what he had to do to win. To say that the Lakers would be the worst team in the league without Kobe means what? Your right, but whats the point in saying that anyway. The fact is that he is part of the team and he just helped them come from behind and win a game that seemed out of reach by doing something that has not been done in over 40 years. I am a Lakers fan. Would I like to see Kobe pass more? yes. would I want better people around him? of course. But that does not take away from what i just saw, it was a incredable thing to watch just like all the Kobe moments I have watched over the years. i think its time to stop comparing him to Jordan since he has come into his own(of course I thought he did way before this but anyway) Its so easy to jump on the "I hate Kobe" bandwagon, well I am proud to say I am a fan of him and nothing anyone can say can take away from the fact that he just made history.

[DarthRekal]

ARTEST is dealt to SACTOWN!:mad:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2304512


INDIANAPOLIS -- The Indiana Pacers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=ind) have agreed to trade Ron Artest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3339) to the Sacramento Kings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sac) in exchange for Peja Stojakovic pending league approval, ESPN's Jim Gray has confirmed Tuesday.

The deal closes a chapter in the Pacers' latest drama involving the volatile star forward.
Ron Artest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3339)http://espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/3339.jpgSmall Forward
Indiana Pacers

Profile (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3339)2006 SEASON STATISTICSGMPPGRPGAPGFG%FT%1619.44.92.245.99261.15 7

Kings owners Gavin and Joe Maloof on ESPNEWS would not comment directly on ESPN's report that the Kings pending league approval will trade Peja Stojakovic to the Pacers for Ron Artest.
Artest was a key component to a team that was expected to challenge for the Eastern Conference crown. He led the league in steals and was the Pacers' second-leading scorer at 19.4 points a game before being deactivated after publicly requesting a trade in early December.

In five years with the Pacers, Artest was an All-Star once and was the NBA's defensive player of the year in 2003-04.

Pacers GM Larry Bird said the Pacers had been interested in Corey Maggette (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3336) of the Los Angeles Clippers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lac), but there was "no question" that Maggette's sprained left foot affected the process. Maggette averaged 21.7 points in 13 games before getting injured in early December.


The Pacers have lost four of their last five games, including Monday to the Atlanta Hawks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=atl), who have the NBA's worst record.

[DarthRekal]

other news read this article by one of the greatest sportswriters of all time


SCOOP JACKSON!


then hate all you want

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/060124:eek: :up:

[NOFX]

Yes I get to keep Maggette!:up:

[DarthRekal]

Yes I get to keep Maggette!:up:
think again this makes sacto stronger..... and might knock the lakers or the clippers off the playoff VIP list...... :mad: :down

[Alpha and Omega]

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[Alpha and Omega]

Yes I get to keep Maggette!

Indiana was never seriously considering Maggette after they found out that his type of injury is possibly career ending. I hope that doesn't happen, but it's a risk of the game.

Sac-town has Artest:eek: :eek: . His presence will improve their 'at times' non-existent D.:up:

[NOFX]

think again this makes sacto stronger..... and might knock the lakers or the clippers off the playoff VIP list...... :mad: :down
Small price to pay to keep my Maggette:o

[DarthRekal]

Small price to pay to keep my Maggette:o

you are no true fan..... just another MJ generation...free agency loving... jersey buyin ... player follower

[NOFX]

you are no true fan..... just another MJ generation...free agency loving... jersey buyin ... player follower
riiight:rolleyes: I would have love to have knuckle head Ron Artest with my L.A. Clippers. Im sure Artest would hang more Snoop Dog, Dr Dre, and The Game more than his own teammates:o

[DarthRekal]

do you even realize what you said??? you said youd rather have YOUR maggette( who may not even play this year) on your team..then your team make the playoffs...thats ABSURD..... i didnt even mention ron artest being on your team..i said the Queens are now stronger and will make a push for the post season... which means someones being bumped.....think about it.... :thing:

[Alpha and Omega]

riiight:rolleyes: I would have love to have knuckle head Ron Artest with my L.A. Clippers. Im sure Artest would hang more Snoop Dog, Dr Dre, and The Game more than his own teammates:o

Ron Artest is a better 'all-around' player than Corey Magette. Ron can't help it if he has emo issues that make him seem crazy. . . or maybe he really is crazy:confused: . Well know that depending on how his tenure w/ the next team (SacKings) is.

[NOFX]

BTW Maggette was playing great B-ball this year before he got injured. A sure shoe-in for the all star game this year if he didnt get injured:(

[DarthRekal]

BTW Maggette was playing great B-ball this year before he got injured. A sure shoe-in for the all star game this year if he didnt get injured:(

yeah and the lakers woulda won in 04 if malone didnt go down....

honestly artest woulda got the clips to the WCF...or beyond...thats what kinda bbal he plays..... i could care less what kind of character he has.... he will ball EVERYNIGHT

[Super_Ludacris]

Oh **** Artest for Peja???

[DarthRekal]

Oh **** Artest for Peja???

yup i dont know yet if thats good or bad for the pacers:confused:

[Alpha and Omega]

Oh **** Artest for Peja???

That's what I'm saying. Sacremento screwed Indy. Maybe the Pacers wanted a pure scorer. . . who doesn't play D. Ron Artest is a good offensive player who is top 5 in the league defensively.

BTW, nice post in the 'New Network' thread Luda. It's one of the funniest I've ever read on here.:up: :up:

[Super_Ludacris]

I don't know Peja is a good premieter support for Jermaine and them.
The Pacers have a better shot at the playoffs

With the Kings and there record they aint gonna make the playoffs and ron-ron may get frustrated. Then again Sacramento is a great crowd still and it will be cool to see the fans reaction everytime Artest hustles on the court

and Alpha, your right. I guess with today being my Birthday....I got some humour as a gift. I can't wait to get out of work and party :(. 15 minutes to go!!!!

[Equint77]

Peja plays no defense and he'll be going to a team that still stuggles on D.. maybe not like Sac but they're gonna suffer. Artest was able to guard 1-3 positions and on most nights locked the perimeter. I also see Peja falling off a bit. He's going from being the man to being a complimentary player.

Artest can shine in Sac.. it's a quiet neighborhood and it changed Webbers career. He's got a solid team around him. It's certainly gonna make the Kings better with his defense.

Sac is getting the better deal IMO.

[DarthRekal]

Peja plays no defense and he'll be going to a team that still stuggles on D.. maybe not like Sac but they're gonna suffer. Artest was able to guard 1-3 positions and on most nights locked the perimeter. I also see Peja falling off a bit. He's going from being the man to being a complimentary player.

Artest can shine in Sac.. it's a quiet neighborhood and it changed Webbers career. He's got a solid team around him. It's certainly gonna make the Kings better with his defense.

Sac is getting the better deal IMO.

i tend to agree sac got the better end...but JO is the man in indy..they dont need a number one..they only need a number two.....

[Alpha and Omega]

I don't know Peja is a good premieter support for Jermaine and them.
The Pacers have a better shot at the playoffs

With the Kings and there record they aint gonna make the playoffs and ron-ron may get frustrated. Then again Sacramento is a great crowd still and it will be cool to see the fans reaction everytime Artest hustles on the court

and Alpha, your right. I guess with today being my Birthday....I got some humour as a gift. I can't wait to get out of work and party :(. 15 minutes to go!!!!

Congrats. You're right about Peja. I didn't think about conferences; I was considering teams. In the weak E-conf, Indiana could go as high as a 2 seed. The only sure no.1 is Detroit. The other teams, including Miami, really aren't guaranteed anything.

You said 'ron ron.' hahahaha:up: :up: Poor Artest: NBA's Rodney Dangerfield - 'Can't get no respect.'

Dennis Rodman found a scapegoat to make people forget his time in the league.

[DarthRekal]

NOw ESPN's reportin the deal is off..artest doesnt wana go to sacto!...:eek:

[MSwift]

^^^^^i know. what a soap opera this has turned into. what a distraction for the players.

[DarthRekal]

hopefully we still got a chance to get him...i would trade odom for him like that

[Alpha and Omega]

hopefully we still got a chance to get him...i would trade odom for him like that

I know, I hope you're right. That would be an ideal trade, if Kwame Brown would step his game up, he could replace a tentative Odom. . :( Now I feel like an idiot for even hoping that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2304512

the article is here if you want to read it. . .

[Unthinkable]

I know, I hope you're right. That would be an ideal trade, if Kwame Brown would step his game up, he could replace a tentative Odom. .


I'm shocked you would actually type that up. I usually keep my fantasies to myself. :o

[Alpha and Omega]

I'm shocked you would actually type that up. I usually keep my fantasies to myself. :o

Yes, it was a momentary transgression. . .:O :( :confused: :o http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif LAL still could acquire Ron Artest. It is a possibility, no matter how remote. It's not really a fantasy; it's likened more to a passing thought.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Unthinkable]

Its not the trade that was shocking, its the fact you thought Kwame could actually do something that amazed me.

[Alpha and Omega]

Its not the trade that was shocking, its the fact you thought Kwame could actually do something that amazed me.

:( Jordan's hazing sessions had a negative effect.:( Maybe the Zen-Master of the game can help him progress, or he'll never have the promise of becoming a retired has-been. He'll remain a 'never was.' Oh well, I'm sure the 14 million he's made will console him.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Poeman]

odom sucks so bad, i can still say the Heat ripped off the lakers to this day by not giving up wade

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh **** Artest for Peja???

Who called it? :D

Well at least until Artest disapporved of the trade. :(

[Stringer]

The trade may still go through once Artest stops acting like a jerk.....uh oh

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

odom sucks so bad, i can still say the Heat ripped off the lakers to this day by not giving up wade

What? How is that Miami's fault? That is all on L.A. or more directly on Bryant. Say what you want but it basically went down like this.

Kobe "Bus, you either get rid of Shaq or lose me."

Bus being just as bad at managing the Lakers as he is at playing hold em said okay and got rid of Shaq to make Kobe happy.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

:( Jordan's hazing sessions had a negative effect.:( Maybe the Zen-Master of the game can help him progress, or he'll never have the promise of becoming a retired has-been. He'll remain a 'never was.' Oh well, I'm sure the [b]14 million[\b] he's made will console him.http://superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

That's because Kwame has no heart and no desire to play. Jordan tried to give him and instill in him what came natural to Jordan. You can't turn anyone into a winner or teach them how to have the desire to win. Kwame just doesn't have it and never will, he is a bust plain and simple.

I mean look at Jordan even though his skills had diminished he was still diving on the floor for loose balls at 40+. You can't teach that, I think IMHO that is why the league isn't what it used to be, players like that are few and far inbetween. There are some and a couple of teams with that, but most of the league and players are not.

I thought he is making $10 million this year?

[MSwift]

odom sucks so bad, i can still say the Heat ripped off the lakers to this day by not giving up wade
I agree the Lakers got ripped off by not getting Wade, but it's all Mitch Kupchaks fault. I remember reading some quotes from Pat Riley after the trade where he said something about "i'm glad it didn't come to that." Wish i had the link, but that was so long ago. If Mitch woulda played a little hard ball, he coulda had Flash and Kobe on the same squad. I think at the end of the day tho, that contract extension that the Heat gave Shaq will come back to cripple that franchise. That's a lot of money for 5 more years. He already looks like he's over the hill. It's actually kinda sad to see.
To get Artest, to me, everybody except Kobe and Bynum are available. I mean this guy will give u 20 pts, and literally knock off 10 from the opposition. I highly doubt that Phillip wants to give up Lamar "Odumb." I doubt the Lakers get Ronny tho because the Lakers just don't have the talent on the team to make a deal. I don't even think they can get Artest if they brought a 3rd team into the mix. I hope i'm wrong, but i don't see it happening.

[MSwift]

What? How is that Miami's fault? That is all on L.A. or more directly on Bryant. Say what you want but it basically went down like this.

Kobe "Bus, you either get rid of Shaq or lose me."

Bus being just as bad at managing the Lakers as he is at playing hold em said okay and got rid of Shaq to make Kobe happy.

You're gonna criticize a owner who has 8 championships? An owner that's been to the NBA Finals 13 times, and has won 13 Division titles? Maybe i was the only one who saw Shaq scream @ Dr. Buss during a preseason game...."Are you gonna pay me now (Bleep)?" Shaq was out because he wanted too much money. The Lakers offered him a 2 year 45 million dollar extension that he declined to take. He wanted a max contract that took him up to when he was 38. That woulda been a bad business move by Buss because Shaq always comes into the season fat and outta shape. I'm not saying Kobe is completely clean in this, but all of the blame doesn't go on him.
There's a great book out right now called The Show: The Inside Story of the Spectacular Los Angeles Lakers In The Words of Those Who Lived It. There's a lot of great behind the scenes stories in there. There's a lot about the dysfuntional Shaq/Kobe teams in there.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You're gonna criticize a owner who has 8 championships? An owner that's been to the NBA Finals 13 times, and has won 13 Division titles? Maybe i was the only one who saw Shaq scream @ Dr. Buss during a preseason game...."Are you gonna pay me now (Bleep)?" Shaq was out because he wanted too much money. The Lakers offered him a 2 year 45 million dollar extension that he declined to take. He wanted a max contract that took him up to when he was 38. That woulda been a bad business move by Buss because Shaq always comes into the season fat and outta shape. I'm not saying Kobe is completely clean in this, but all of the blame doesn't go on him.
There's a great book out right now called The Show: The Inside Story of the Spectacular Los Angeles Lakers In The Words of Those Who Lived It. There's a lot of great behind the scenes stories in there. There's a lot about the dysfuntional Shaq/Kobe teams in there.

Have you seen Jerry Bus play poker? Obviously not because you would have known what I meant. Also the owners share credit, take a look at who the GM's were.

[MSwift]

Have you seen Jerry Bus play poker? Obviously not because you would have known what I meant. Also the owners share credit, take a look at who the GM's were.

the owner gets the last say in what happens when it comes to big contracts and trades. Buss is a gambler and he'll do things that make u wonder what he's doing, but look at the track record. I am however VERY worried when Jim Buss takes over the Lakers as owner :(

[NOFX]

The trade may still go through once Artest stops acting like a jerk.....uh oh
When Hell freezes over!:mad:

[Leonard Shelby]

Artest is a beast on the court.

[Assassin]

who cares about artest, Pistons are 34 and 5:D

[NOFX]

who cares about artest, Pistons are 34 and 5:D
Arent you a Kings fan?:confused:

[Super_Ludacris]

They called it again last night Chauncey is an MVP candidate

[NOFX]

They called it again last night Chauncey is an MVP candidate
I can live with that:o

[Alpha and Omega]

They called it again last night Chauncey is an MVP candidate

Congrats to the Big D and their starting PG.:up:

[Equint77]

kobe's 81 points in 3 minutes.
http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/nbatv/bryant_k_81_060122.asx&lc1=NBA.com&lc2=teamsites&lc1=NBA.com&lc2=teamsites&siteid=team&video=team

[Alpha and Omega]

kobe's 81 points in 3 minutes.
http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/nbatv/bryant_k_81_060122.asx&lc1=NBA.com&lc2=teamsites&lc1=NBA.com&lc2=teamsites&siteid=team&video=team

I just watched that and I thought the Wizards defense was MIA. Toronto looked like a high school squad.:down If I was their coach, I would shake my head, jump back on the bus, and wonder why I'm living in Toronto for these guys. That was horrible.

[Super_Ludacris]

Well that's what Andre Iquodaugla (sp?) said too, he thought although Kobe played incredible Toronto's defense was pathetic. He should have "only" gotten 50-60 if they played defense

Speaking of Dre, that's a dude who needs to be in the Dunk contest this year, his dunks are nasty

[Alpha and Omega]

Well that's what Andre Iquodaugla (sp?) said too, he thought although Kobe played incredible Toronto's defense was pathetic. He should have "only" gotten 50-60 if they played defense

Speaking of Dre, that's a dude who needs to be in the Dunk contest this year, his dunks are nasty

Yes, he does. The NBA needs to bring the Dunk contest back. It hasn't been the same for a long time. Last year was much better, and I hope this year will be the same.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Assassin]

Arent you a Kings fan?:confused:

Not if Peja leaves..or Artest goes there. But i havent followed the kings this year, too exited about pistions

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yes, he does. The NBA needs to bring the Dunk contest back. It hasn't been the same for a long time. Last year was much better, and I hope this year will be the same.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Funny, people say the dunk contest hasn't been the same for a long time, yet the two years that J Rich won and had Desmond Mason and others challenging were two of the best years in the past decade or more. Even the commentators in one night went from saying the same thing you did, to after seeing J Rich pull off some amazing dunks that it is "officially back."

It just goes up and down, a few good years here, a few bad years there.

[Alpha and Omega]

Funny, people say the dunk contest hasn't been the same for a long time, yet the two years that J Rich won and had Desmond Mason and others challenging were two of the best years in the past decade or more. Even the commentators in one night went from saying the same thing you did, to after seeing J Rich pull off some amazing dunks that it is "officially back."

It just goes up and down, a few good years here, a few bad years there.

Last year was an exception. Every other year for awhile has been. . . meh.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Last year was an exception. Every other year for awhile has been. . . meh.

You mean the two years when J Rich, you mean to tell me from 2000-2003 the dunk contest was just meh?

2003 -- Jason Richardson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Richardson), Golden State Warriors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Warriors)
2002 -- Jason Richardson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Richardson), Golden State Warriors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Warriors)
2001 -- Desmond Mason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Mason), Seattle SuperSonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_SuperSonics)
2000 -- Vince Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Carter), Toronto Raptors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Raptors)

You are tripping.

[Alpha and Omega]

uh, actually I'm sitting in my seat. There were great singular performances, but the overall fan participation, big name players or ferocious upstart rookies, and hype surrounding the event was . . . meh.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

uh, actually I'm sitting in my seat. There were great singular performances, but the overall fan participation, big name players or ferocious upstart rookies, and hype surrounding the event was . . . meh.

I will give you that for the year's Carter and Mason won, but the years J rich won, the finals vs. Mason and I can't remember if he faced off him again or not were some of the greatest showdowns in the events history.

[Super_Ludacris]

So let me get this straight.....Ron Artest IS going to Sacramento?

[Milkman95]

^No, he's joining Dirk Diggler and doing a rap album.........

[Super_Ludacris]

That's a hot collabo

[Alpha and Omega]

So let me get this straight.....Ron Artest IS going to Sacramento?

Nope. "Ron Ron's" agent (hope it's not another TO situation:rolleyes:) decided against it. Once that happened the Kings became worried, and pulled out of the deal.

Go read the write-up at www.espn.com (http://www.espn.com) :up:

[Cudzo]

Nope. "Ron Ron's" agent (hope it's not another TO situation:rolleyes:) decided against it. Once that happened the Kings became worried, and pulled out of the deal.

Go read the write-up at www.espn.com (http://www.espn.com) :up:

well, i heard its on again.. go fig

[Alpha and Omega]

well, i heard its on again.. go fig

are you serious? :confused:

[Alpha and Omega]

I guess it is back on. Here's the article if you have insider:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2304942

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

As I said a few weeks ago, Artest and Peja have been officially traded (pending league approval). Peja will now flourish in the pacers system and return to his pervious form, or close to it, and the Pacers are going to become a much more serious threat now.

As for the Kings, this can only help push them into the playoffs, yes this season.

[Stringer]

Not with Peja's lack of defensive ability. Theyll make the playoffs but they wont go deep, which ultimately, is the goal.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Not with Peja's lack of defensive ability. Theyll make the playoffs but they wont go deep, which ultimately, is the goal.

I never said they would go deep, but they are a much better team now. Pound it inside with O'neal, Crosher(sp) and jackson, then kick it out to Peja.

[Assassin]

well my 11 0 clock news said it was a done deal. Peja for Ron

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

well my 11 0 clock news said it was a done deal. Peja for Ron

:up: I called it :D

[Super_Ludacris]

Cowbells+ Crazy Ron-Ron= Must see TV

[Milkman95]

Nice. Pistons are 35-5 now, matching the historical start the 1984 Detroit Tigers had.........