My one problem with Superman Returns

[Excel]

its not the plot. im totally 100% happy with the cast,crew,story, look of the film, ect. nothing wrong it with there. infact, im veyr excited for the plot. I dont think this will be a classic ala superman the movie or Batman Begins, but more comparible to Spiderman, Superman 2, BATMAN in partiuclar, in thatll it be very big, fun and memorable, and will have a strong script that will keep it good, though the fun and special effects will overtake the film and steal the show. anyway-like i said, because im happy with that, im concerned for the films second most important thing:

its box office.

its release date, in particular.

at first i loved the idea of releasing the most american hero onthe most american holiday. that and july 4th is usually home to big movies. but when i looked at the films have usually opened on july 4th weekend recently they include war of the worlds, whose 230 million dolalr gross would be much to small for w.b. then theres men in black 2, t3 which couldnt cross 200 million, A.I., which didnt even get 100 million. of course spidey 2 also opened over july 4th, but due to my next reason for wanting it moved, superman wont get close to that. so just from past history of the new millinium, the fourth of july is no longer the date for big movies. it did, house the releases of films like INDEPENDENCE DAY, MEN IN BLACK, ARMAGEDDON in the 90's, but it dont work these days. the biggest weekend of the year is the third week in may, which i want superman to have, but due to da vinci code and ovcer the hedge already having it, ill say **** that.

my next reason is the sure to massiv epirates of the carribbean 2. while i think superman will open huge, it cant afford to have it legs chopped in half by that film. if fantastic four could make wotw drop 50%,imagine what that film could do. imo its just to be of a compition and with a better choice for a release date, its not worth the risk.

my next rease for thinking it should change is that one of superman biggest-and arguably most important-genres is kids and june is loaded with kids movies. cars, nacho libre, garfield 2, charlottes web, click, ect. i just dont think thered be enough time for kids to get all into superman to make it an event that it should be.

my next is the fact that it just isn't in may. may is when the big blockbusters are usually released and superman is in many ways the ultimate blockbuster film for the summer. that and while many superman its better for school to not be in seccsion, i disagree. word of mouth spreads much faster in school then it does without school, hence why mays weekends are always so big.

So what would I do? heres my solution to fix supermans release date problem.

Move Superman to May 5th, 2006. I would pay Paramount money and sign a deal to give mission impossible 3s-which currently holds that date-theatrical trailer with 100% of superman showings. on may 12th opens w.b.'s film posedon. i would move that back to may 19th as counter programing for da vinci code, where action junkies would flock to see it cause their not interested in daa vinci code. as it stands, posiedons action junkie audience could chose to go see MI3 as it stands. I wouldnt move it back till early april, so no film would have time to move up to may 12th, which would give superman, like spiderman had, its second weekend free of big compition.

Giving Superman the first week of summer would not only give it may, its own weekend, but with no big films opening all of april, itd have an entire month to promote the **** outta the film and advertise the tie ins, it could give kids a chance to get very into it. plus with poseidon back a week, no film could steal superman thunder. but giving it that weekend would not only put it in prime position to became a huge hype machine, but also open hugely and have another huge second weekend. thats just my solution to what is imo the films biggest obsticle facing it.

[Super Kal]

eh, I wouldn't worry about it. It'll do just fine. :D :supes:

[Pickle-El]

If it's a good film, it'll have legs, period.

Remember, Spidey 1 and SW2....

[Excel]

oh i know it will....i just want it to do even better. if this were to happen, superman would, imo, have a solid chance at beating spideys opening weekend and possibly box office total. on the fourth of july, it wont do either. plus its production budget is 250 million. tthat much money means itll have to make a lot, and the more it makes the more likely a sequel is, and its got a much better chance to make a lot more money following my idea then where it stands right now. it could be better then batman begins but it would still drop 50% or more just due to pirates 2.

[Excel]

If it's a good film, it'll have legs, period.

Remember, Spidey 1 and SW2....

if superman did this its release would be a lot like spideys-open on the first weke of may, a compition free second week followed by a over crowed 3rd week, but it would already have the bulk of its cash by then.

[Downhere]

I wouldn't worry about the Box office take of Superman...it's gonna make a profit and be a huge hit.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Perhaps this should be in the Box office thread... Take it in there.

[Superman_20]

the wb has more than enough money, if it doesn't make enough money, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter if its considered a failure or not, if you like that movie, thats all that should matter to you

oh and what is SW2?

[Superfreak]

the wb has more than enough money, if it doesn't make enough money, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter if its considered a failure or not, if you like that movie, thats all that should matter to you

oh and what is SW2?

it's ATOC

[Superman_20]

it's ATOC

and ATDC is...?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

He's saying Attack of the clones.

[Octoberist]

Superman is going to make money, so I'm not worried. If you have to figure in the possibility that that Hollywood slump could still contiune onto next year. It's much of a slump, but with the fact the DVD market is getting bigger, so it's stealing business along with illegal downloading.

In the end, money doesn't matter. The legacy will be carried on IF THIS FLICK IS GOOD or not.

[Superman_20]

In the end, money doesn't matter. The legacy will be carried on IF THIS FLICK IS GOOD or not.

that is pretty much all that matters, not even a legacy or whatever, if you enjoy a movie and it doesn't make enough in the box office, do you care? no, if you like it, thats it, thats all that matters, so i dont see why everyone cares if it makes enough money or if it is successful, if you enjoy it, thats it, who cares about the rest?

[terry78]

I think the real issue here is that people don't want to wait an extra two months before they can see the flick in its entirety. Fantastic Four orginally had the fourth, but was moved to the 8th, and while people on here would scream bloody murder if SR opened with FF's numbers, July isn't exactly a dumping ground. I think that May and July are the two months the really large big budgets open, with June and August being the times for the blockbuster comedies.

[Hunter Rider]

The summer schedule is packed tighter than Carmen Elelktra's bra these days and no matter where you put a film it will have competition,plus other movies and studios arent gonna move their movies so SR will get more money

I think it will make around WOTW money WW and that is good enough for it IMO

[Asr]

If SR is a good movie, it WILL makes tons of cash.

Batman Begins opened to ~$48M its opening Fri-Sat in the middle of June and because it was a good film, it generated word of mouth to propel it to over $200M! Now THAT is legs man! :p If Begins could do that, imagine what SR could do if it's good!

[Excel]

superman much more expensive and has much bigger immeadite compition. honestly w.b. profit could be as big as 100 million more imo if it did this.

[DarthSkywalker]

This is more there a fair point, and concern for me as well.

The early release would of course give it the super jump (pun not intended) on the other movies, just like it did for Star Wars.

Second it would also keep it out of direct competition with POTC2 which will do very well. Some here are saying that Superman will make its money. Of course it will. But there is a difference between making 200 million and 250+. And considering the legions that will want to see POTC2 (Me included), it will effect Supes box office.

[Comic Book Boy]

I'm still bummed that BEGINS didn't make more money.....They sure deserved it.

[Excel]

exactly. the press will have no other film to cover all of april EXCEPT superman. kids will have nothing to look forward to EXCEPT superman. following my idea qould make it much easier to hype superman and much likelier to cross 300 million domestic. as it stands, june has fast furious 3, cars, click, charlottes web, which are all going to cross 100 millon probably. april has nothing like that. superman could be the kick off the summer in most peoples eyes, like spiderman was, only on a bigegr scale.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Batman is more widely liked/accepted right now than Superman. I don't see the box office as being all that easy to do well in especially considering BB didn't do the biggest numbers ever :(

[Excel]

^no, hes not...quite the opposite, actually. basically, war of the worlds size numbers in u.s. just are not going to be big enough. pirates is the last fim-the LAST film of the summer we want superman opening near and with such an easy option imo, w.b. holds all the cards, as they could get control of the first two weeks of summer and arrange it for superman to have the first 2 weeks of summer with poseidon proabbly not being effected, as it would lose none of its audience, infact probably gain some

[CConn]

^no, hes not...quite the opposite, actually.I think right now Batman's more-liked as a character, as for their film series, Superman is less blemished.

I think it'll do more than BB simply because it'll be lighter film (hopefully of comparative quality to BB), that people will be able to take their kids to, etc. And of course it is Superman's first movie in 17 years.

[Excel]

so flat out if this was done itd be much,much easier to turn returns ito a huge event film that kicks off summer

[Excel]

so flat out if this was done itd be much,much easier to turn returns ito a huge event film that kicks off summer.

[Hunter Rider]

The thing is competition is part of the summer season,SR is just another blockbuster next year and needs to hoild it's own amongst the other big hitters

[Excel]

normally id agree but when its 250 million and with sequels on the line, hoping holding own is too big of a risk.

[Hunter Rider]

normally id agree but when its 250 million and with sequels on the line, hoping holding own is too big of a risk.
It can still make WOTW money which is enough

[DarthSkywalker]

Hunter i don't like that at all. You don't want to make it have to stand on its own two feet against a mega hit from just a few years ago, when you are trying to restart a pretty dead franchise.

Superman Returns will need every advantage it can get, and if they can get it complete by May. They should seriously think about it.

[Excel]

[QUOTE=hunter rider]It can still make WOTW money which is enough[/QUOTE

sorry but idotta disagree. if its costing 250 million on production budget alone,233 million in the u.s. will NOT be enough.

[DarthSkywalker]

I remember reading a few places that you only make 1/2 your domestic and only 1/3 your worldwide box office. And considering 250 mil is without marketing more then likely, they need every penny unless they are expecting new DVD sales records.

[Hunter Rider]

sorry but idotta disagree. if its costing 250 million on production budget alone,233 million in the u.s. will NOT be enough.

I was thinking of the $600M WW that WOTW has made

Hunter i don't like that at all. You don't want to make it have to stand on its own two feet against a mega hit from just a few years ago, when you are trying to restart a pretty dead franchise.

Superman Returns will need every advantage it can get, and if they can get it complete by May. They should seriously think about it.

If it releases in May it will face just as much competition from Mi-3,X-3 and The Da Vinci Code,there is nowhere to hide in the summer season now

[Excel]

oh yeah i wouldnt want it in may right now. my idea had w.b. paying paramount ot move mi3 to july fourth and then moving posiedon so itd look like:

may5th-superman
may12th-nothing
may 19th-da vinci, over hedge, posedion

[Excel]

and 600 million ww is decent, but i seriosuly think w.b. expecting bigger numbers.

[Hunter Rider]

oh yeah i wouldnt want it in may right now. my idea had w.b. paying paramount ot move mi3 to july fourth and then moving posiedon so itd look like:

may5th-superman
may12th-nothing
may 19th-da vinci, over hedge, posedion
Paramout wouldnt move,they have the best week to open in and it is their biggest movie next year

[Excel]

depends really. what i suggested was give mi3's trailer with 100% of superman copies and pay em like, 15 million maybe? when you consider cruise proved hes a box office dra and aside from pirates, theres no much in july as opposed to may, i think ti owuld be worth a shot to negotiate. especially as mi3s original date was june 29th 2005.

[Hunter Rider]

depends really. what i suggested was give mi3's trailer with 100% of superman copies and pay em like, 15 million maybe? when you consider cruise proved hes a box office dra and aside from pirates, theres no much in july as opposed to may, i think ti owuld be worth a shot to negotiate. especially as mi3s original date was june 29th 2005.

The thing is $15M is small change,it's not even covering Cruise's salary,they are in a prime spot and dont want to put there big tentpole movie up against POTC2
WB would have to offer so much money it wouldn't be worth it

[DarthSkywalker]

What is going on in early June then? Could be open for something big.

Actually all you have to do is move the movie back one week.

[Hunter Rider]

What is going on in early June then? Could be open for something big.

Actually all you have to do is move the movie back one week.

June 2
- Nacho Libre (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=10593)

June 6
- The Omen 666 (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=9980)

June 9
- Cars (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=6796)

June 16
- The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=9942)
- Garfield 2 (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=9071)
- Pathfinder (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=11402)

June 23
- Charlotte's Web (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=7986)
- Click (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=6197)
- Volver (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=10772) (NY, LA)

[Rob-el]

At the end of the day the release date is completely irrelivent. If this is a great movie its going to do great box office. Forest Gump and Pirates were both released in July and did great Box office becasue they were very well recieved. Passion of the Christ was released in February and did great box office. Lord of the Rings and sequels in December as was Titanic. Star Wars in May. Jurassic Park in June. The Sixth Sense in August. The release date has nothing to do with sucess (OK maybe Cinderella Man to the contrary!) - if this movie is very good so will its box office plain and simple.

[green]

June 2
- Nacho Libre (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=10593)

June 6
- The Omen 666 (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=9980)

June 9
- Cars (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=6796)

June 16
- The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=9942)
- Garfield 2 (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=9071)
- Pathfinder (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=11402)

June 23
- Charlotte's Web (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=7986)
- Click (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=6197)
- Volver (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=10772) (NY, LA)


Damb, early June sucks.

[DarthSkywalker]

June 2
- Nacho Libre (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=10593)

June 6
- The Omen 666 (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=9980)

June 9
- Cars (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=6796)

June 16
- The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=9942)
- Garfield 2 (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=9071)
- Pathfinder (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=11402)

June 23
- Charlotte's Web (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=7986)
- Click (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=6197)
- Volver (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=10772) (NY, LA)

Thanks. I seriously don't fer anything on June 23, and everything coming out is one look, and never again. They should think about moving it back a week. But then again they are going for the 4th's box office. Maybe they could splite the difference and go for a Wed release.

[Excel]

The thing is $15M is small change,it's not even covering Cruise's salary,they are in a prime spot and dont want to put there big tentpole movie up against POTC2
WB would have to offer so much money it wouldn't be worth it

i dunno really, they wanted the july fourth release even when pirates was there, it was superman that scared em off. but you to think, superman is the kinda movie that if it open in may would make tons of cash get mi3's trailer very wide exposure-lot more then it would ever get it is released in say march like it would have to be so far. so mi3 exposure would go up a lot, their budget down, and itd probably in the end make about roughly the same money.

as for rob in todays day and age of front loadedness mass hype and not very high mulitpliers,most average roughly 2.7.-3, release dates matter a ton cause they effect what you get opening weekend, which is where the bulk of the money comes from.

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks. I seriously don't fer anything on June 23, and everything coming out is one look, and never again. They should think about moving it back a week. But then again they are going for the 4th's box office. Maybe they could splite the difference and go for a Wed release.

I would say move it to the 16th,that means they get the jump on Charlottes web and avoid POTC2 by 3 weeks

[Hunter Rider]

i dunno really, they wanted the july fourth release even when pirates was there, it was superman that scared em off. but you to think, superman is the kinda movie that if it open in may would make tons of cash get mi3's trailer very wide exposure-lot more then it would ever get it is released in say march like it would have to be so far. so mi3 exposure would go up a lot, their budget down, and itd probably in the end make about roughly the same money.

as for rob in todays day and age of front loadedness mass hype and not very high mulitpliers,most average roughly 2.7.-3, release dates matter a ton cause they effect what you get opening weekend, which is where the bulk of the money comes from.

Mi-3 will get loads of exposure anyway,to the viewing public it is as big a release as SR and it's stars wil be everywhere promoting it andit is the third in a hugely popular franchise
they were set on July 4th this year until it was posponed for WOTW
Mi-3 since then has always been set for May 5th 2006 it never moved
Paramount wont move no matter what.the other studios arent gonna back away to help WB

[terry78]

Thanks. I seriously don't fer anything on June 23, and everything coming out is one look, and never again. They should think about moving it back a week. But then again they are going for the 4th's box office. Maybe they could splite the difference and go for a Wed release.
I wouldn't say that...you know how the summer box office tends to surprise. I already see four movies on that list that will cross 100 mil more than likely.

[Pickle-El]

I still don't see what is wrong with a Weds release......The 28th.

[DarthSkywalker]

I would say move it to the 16th,that means they get the jump on Charlottes web and avoid POTC2 by 3 weeks

Yeah, but is Charlotte's Web that big a deal?

I still don't see what is wrong with a Weds release......The 28th.

This for me is the ideal day if they are going for the end of June.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, but is Charlotte's Web that big a deal?



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It's a very popular book and i think the young ones and families will go to it.

This reminds me of the BB BO predictions,everyone was over the top in their expectations,
i expect SR to share the top spots next summer with 2 or 3 other blockbuster releases,yet ppl are already suggesting $100M openings and $800M WW takes,not to mention Summer domination

I think we all need to realise in the new crowded market and with the new importance of DVD sales a take of $500M will be a success for SR

[DarthSkywalker]

It's a very popular book and i think the young ones and families will go to it.

This reminds me of the BB BO predictions,everyone was over the top in their expectations,
i expect SR to share the top spots next summer with 2 or 3 other blockbuster releases,yet ppl are already suggesting $100M openings and $800M WW takes,not to mention Summer domination

I think we all need to realise in the new crowded market and with the new importance of DVD sales a take of $500M will be a success for SR

I am hoping for 500-600 million WW. They get that, the DVD sales should more then do well.

But i don't know about CW. I just doesn't hit as Summer hit, more of something that would of fit in Nov. But not June. We will see though.

[Asr]

The other studios can still change their movies' release dates, if they think another date would be more optimal, or if they feel threatened. It's happened before and it can happen again. Marketing gets behind one movie and hypes it up so much, and the movie is actually good too, the competition will feel threatened and change release dates.

[Hunter Rider]

I am hoping for 500-600 million WW. They get that, the DVD sales should more then do well.

But i don't know about CW. I just doesn't hit as Summer hit, more of something that would of fit in Nov. But not June. We will see though.

$500M+ is a good take as i think in 2006 we will see 3 or 4 films around that but none with ROTS type money

CW may find an audience that eats into SR's with the families though

[Excel]

it may but i think if they see cw instead of usperman over july 4th, theyll see superman at some other point. also, ive been consoidering, star wars opened to 108 and in its second weekend 2 films opened that grossed a combined 95 million that weekend, and star wars got 840 ww and 380 in u.s., so i think really huge number are still possible.

[Cinemaman]

I think that SR will open the 1st weekend with his $95m.

On the next weekend it wiil take about $73m.

And on the 3 weekends SR will take $55m.

Then on 4-6 weekends SR will take $76m.

On 7-10 weekends Super will take $330m.

The result of all box-office in America is $330m

In other parts of world it will take $391m

And in all the world it will take $721m

[The Game]

I think that SR will open the 1st weekend with his $95m.

On the next weekend it wiil take about $73m.

And on the 3 weekends SR will take $55m.

Then on 4-6 weekends SR will take $76m.

On 7-10 weekends Super will take $330m.

The result of all box-office in America is $330m

In other parts of world it will take $391m

And in all the world it will take $721m

Why would it take more on 7-10 weekend than the 1st, wouldn't the takings be high then decrease over time

[Hunter Rider]

it may but i think if they see cw instead of usperman over july 4th, theyll see superman at some other point. also, ive been consoidering, star wars opened to 108 and in its second weekend 2 films opened that grossed a combined 95 million that weekend, and star wars got 840 ww and 380 in u.s., so i think really huge number are still possible.

SR doesnt have the pull ROTS had and also the second week is the POTC2 opening,ROTS didn't have that level of competition

[Hunter Rider]

I think that SR will open the 1st weekend with his $95m.

On the next weekend it wiil take about $73m.

And on the 3 weekends SR will take $55m.

Then on 4-6 weekends SR will take $76m.

On 7-10 weekends Super will take $330m.

The result of all box-office in America is $330m

In other parts of world it will take $391m

And in all the world it will take $721m

I think this is a great overestimation

[Milkman95]

I don't think POTC2 is going to do as well as the first one did - probably because of Superman...................

[Hunter Rider]

I don't think POTC2 is going to do as well as the first one did - probably because of Superman...................

The most likely effect is both will eat into each others profits,the Depp factor gives POTC2 the edge though IMO

[Tron5000]

I think this is a great overestimation

As do I. Remember, Superman is the quintessential American iconic hero, and much of the world doesn't view America very favorably. I expect the movie to do better at home than oversees.

[Excel]

SR doesnt have the pull ROTS had and also the second week is the POTC2 opening,ROTS didn't have that level of competition

oh i know, thats why i have supermans total at 325 million and not 380 million million ;) depends what you think pirates will open to really. star wars secondweek saw the opening of the longest yard and madagascar gros a combined 95 million. i think pirates is capible of pulling 95 million opening, so yes it has the same level-if not bigger-compitition then star wars.



As do I. Remember, Superman is the quintessential American iconic hero, and much of the world doesn't view America very favorably. I expect the movie to do better at home than oversees.

sorry, no...if Spiderman 2-which takes place solely in nyc-can make 400 million overseas, superman could easily do 300, especially since hes:

a. a hero to the world while spideys nyc
b.more well known
c. bigger movie in sizre/scope

i dont other countires hate of america will stop them from seeing a superman. its a movie. hes an american hero, but he is more then that-hes the worlds hero. the same way the old batman films always made more in the u.s. then overseas, batman begins made more in u.s. then over seas. and i t hink, thesame way the old supes movies always made more overseas, the same will happen again.


The most likely effect is both will eat into each others profits,the Depp factor gives POTC2 the edge though IMO
perhaps. while noone can deney depp is a huge draw, supermans name is much bigger.

[Sauron]

I think it'll do well, if it turns out to be better than what's been said about it so far. I know I don't give a crap about Pirates Of the Carribean 2, the first wasn't that big of a deal. I'd rather see SMR.

[Excel]

bumping. i was friggin right about just about everything. lack of kids seeing movie, pirates being to uber, july 4th week isnt that big any more.

[Galactical]

this was interesting to read. Especially if you had no idea it was a bump from last year...

You can see the future. what are this week's lottery numbers hmmm?

[Excel]

loli m not that good. ;)