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OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:02 PM

"Well, wasnt I creative?!"

LAMO.

Seriously, if Jor-El is still inhabiting Lionel's body...this is gonna be one hell of an interesting season, LOL.

You can bet your a$$ he is. Jor El IS in there. He is just pretending to be Lionel :up:

So now we got Jor El this Season. Gonna be good.

I wonder if Jor El & Braniac will cross paths wouldnt that rock :up:

Spidey-Fan700

10-13-2005, 08:02 PM

Great episode. Can't wait until next week. It looks like its gonna be interesting.

NHawk19

10-13-2005, 08:03 PM

man I thought this death thing was gonna be 1 for 1 immediate stupid writers have to drag it out

punishermax

10-13-2005, 08:04 PM

That mini flight jump rocked,I'm so happy I didn't look at spoilers for ths season. Can't wait for Aquaman next week.

Mike_D

10-13-2005, 08:05 PM

I give this episode a 9.9 out of 10 for one of the best. It was truely interesting and kept my attention from beginning to end.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:07 PM

I give this episode a 9.9 out of 10 for one of the best. It was truely interesting and kept my attention from beginning to end.

Eh it really did NOT keep my 100 % interest we all knew how itd obviously end looking at spoilers or not its obvious with this show. But when Lionel woke up as Clark was dying :up:

Anguissette1979

10-13-2005, 08:08 PM

OMG!!! :wow: I figure it'll probably be Pa Kent that bites it but it could be Chloe.... she doesn't exist in grown-up Superman continuity (does she?). I knew this was going to be an interesting episode when the saving the day was done 30 minutes in. :gasp: This has been a FANTASTIC season so far! I suppose I should shell out the dough to rent the first 3 seasons that I've never seen. ;)

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 08:08 PM

What else is there to say? That was the best episode I've ever seen. Truly incredible.Diiiittoe!!! Dayum. I'm speechless. I really, really am. That was The. Freakin'. BEST. Episode. EVER!!!!!

Man!!!

It had EVERYTHING in it too. Can they really keep this going all season? Gosh...

SHADOWBAT69

10-13-2005, 08:09 PM

i am really enjoying this season. glad to see they are pulling out all the stops in this one. its about time we start seeing the real "superman" world.

trying to figure who is going to be the one who dies. parents are alive in the comics. father dies in the movie. chloe is a series original who can be sacrificed. the field is actually wide open on where they could go with this.

Anguissette1979

10-13-2005, 08:10 PM

But when Lionel woke up as Clark was dying :up:

"When this body was activated by the crystal it became an oracle of Kyrptonian knowledge from which I can draw at any time."

Droooool

This is gonna be soooooooo good. :D

The Guardian

10-13-2005, 08:12 PM

THAT WAS SWEET, THE ROCKET SCENE, WOW,:eek: I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE AQUAMAN NEXT WEEK, THAT EPISODE LOOKS AWESOME! I THINK THE ONES TO BITE THE DUST WILL BE IETHER CLOE OR JONATHAN, JUST MY THOUGHTS. THIS WAS A GREAT ONE THOUGH I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE NEXT ONE.:up: :D :supes:

Bababoozer

10-13-2005, 08:13 PM

I gotta admit too, that the episode was great. I almost considered it a blow-off week, because obviously Clark wasn't going to die. Here's what they have to maintain: Lex must stay or go deeper into his diabolical madness. Clark must not be able to lose his powers anymore. Clark must "leap"(fly) in other episodes this season.

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 08:13 PM

That mini flight jump rocked,I'm so happy I didn't look at spoilers for ths season.The mini flight/jump thang wasn't in the spoilers. It was as much a surprise to those of us who "study" the spoilers as it was to those who faithfully avoid 'em.

And while we're on the subject, the mini fight/jump thingy.... http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thud4.gif

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:13 PM

I also think Clark can open that ship. Lionel said only HE can open it. While the ship has a Z logo on it Clark is also obviously Kryptonian. I am sure Jor El & Clark will pay a visit to that ship :up:

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 08:16 PM

still no phuckin MarstersNext week. He's coming on full tilt next week in the episode, "Aqua." Hang in thar. :)

Bababoozer

10-13-2005, 08:17 PM

This should probably be a seperate thread but....

Who do you think is going to be the "one" that pays the price?
As much as I love Chloe, she expendable. Her character doesn't exist in the comics when Clark is Superman. On the other hand, how could this passion between Clark and Lana ever extinguish unless SHE dies? Jonathon dies in the comics too, so.....
Whoever it is, it will undoubtedly be the season ender.

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 08:17 PM

I also think Clark can open that ship. Lionel said only HE can open it.He said that when Clark was still human, so I think Lionel/Jor-El was referring to Brainiac.

Anguissette1979

10-13-2005, 08:17 PM

I must say that I sat on my couch fanning myself during some of the "bigger" moments.

"All you've waited to see" and more! :D :P

Bring on next week!

PS: Anyone know how the ratings are doing?

Mike_D

10-13-2005, 08:18 PM

Things I liked about this eppy:

-Clark's mini-flight to the rocket (its almost like its a practice "leap" before he learns to fly)

-Jor-El able to take Lionel's body over any time he wants too (definately gonna rock this season)

-LOVE how they're carrying on the "Z"-zod symbol, makes you wonder if he'll show up :)

-and did anybody catch the little William's score during the FOS scene??!

Things I didnt like:

-Lana not worried about how Clark came back alive and his cloths were all "burnt and torn" when she saw him at the Kent farm

..thats about it.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:18 PM

He said that when Clark was still human, so I think Lionel/Jor-El was referring to Brainiac.

Could easily be Zod as well if anyone can open that ship its Braniac & Zod & I dont think Zod knows Braniac is in Smallville. Everything is hinting at Zod showing up eventually :up:

Anguissette1979

10-13-2005, 08:19 PM

He said that when Clark was still human, so I think Lionel/Jor-El was referring to Brainiac.

Lionel wasn't Jor-El until the moment that Clark died. I'm sure of that. Before Lionel's eyes cleared he was simply a walking library of Kryptonian knowledge.

I wonder if Jor-El will inhabit Lionel and fight Braniac at some point. Isn't he supposed to know all things kryptonian as well?

Serene

10-13-2005, 08:20 PM

I think I'm still hyperventilating. :eek:

From the adorable opening scene.. to Clark falling in slo-mo, bleeding from the mouth :( ... to him flat-lining...to the FOS and Jornel (that's for Hulk;))... to his JUMP/FLIGHT onto a **&$^# missile!!!

Martha's face when she saw him come in the house about choked me up.. then Lana's jump into his arms, and the look on his face. Chloe was.. amazing.

Dayumm.. I'm not sure this ep could have had one more thrill squeezed into it!

This is the show at it's best. It's become like a really great comic book come to life with a great blend of fantasy, fun, and heroics.. all revolving around characters that we've come to know and love. At least I love them. :)

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:20 PM

I wonder how long it'll be before someone starts a poll on who is going to die

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 08:21 PM

PS: Anyone know how the ratings are doing?The ratings are fantastic. They broke WB records two weeks in a row for Thursday viewership, and they're *smoking* the competition in the target 18-34 y.o. male demographic.

MJZ

10-13-2005, 08:21 PM

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 08:23 PM

All I can say is Wowwwwww!!!! It just keeps getting better and better and see they did mention safe sex. Had to get that in therehttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

Mike_D

10-13-2005, 08:23 PM

if things are this great so far in the season, makes you wonder how they'll handle the mid-season cliffhangers and the season finale!! CANT WAIT!

Anguissette1979

10-13-2005, 08:24 PM

I wonder how long it'll be before someone starts a poll on who is going to die

Not long. Not long at all. ;)

Serene

10-13-2005, 08:24 PM

I wonder how long it'll be before someone starts a poll on who is going to die

I was a little freaked out after Clark was revived. I was so afraid they were going to shock the ***** out of us and have one of the biggies drop dead! I mean.. there was a lot of stuff in this ep was surprised me already.

When Clark was sitting with Chloe in the loft.. I was SO afraid she was going to suddenly clutch her chest and keel over! LOL....

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 08:25 PM

Lionel wasn't Jor-El until the moment that Clark died. I'm sure of that.Mmm... I'm not so sure. In Arrival, the Kryptonite rocks in Lex's safe (the sentinels) glowed green when Lionel got near them.

But that's neither here nor there. I'm fairly certain Lionel was referring to Brainiac when he said only "he" could open [the ship].

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:27 PM

I am actually surprised the writers are NOT forcing things so fast with who is going to die. Nice to see they are gonna build up to it :up:

user123456789

10-13-2005, 08:27 PM

I had a feeling once the missile went off that we'd see a flight.

I loved the Christ-like themes and "Death of Superman" flavor to the episode.

At the rate they're going there's no doubt they'll finish out 7 seasons. These episodes are blowing away anything that came before it.

ditto. I actually enjoyed his super-leap more than I would if he had flown. He (Clark) doesn't know how to fly yet, so super-leap would be the next best thing. Their SFX are getting better too.

The last Lana and Clark scene was so well choreographed.. i nearly cried. Slow motion of Lana jumpin to hug Clark. Clark then grasps here as hard as he can (without killin her ofcourse). The wideshot of him standing straight up, holding her nearly 12 inches off the ground was priceless. They then rub noses and she caresses his face. PRICELESS. EXCELLENT DIRECTING.

Mike_D

10-13-2005, 08:28 PM

Mmm... I'm not so sure. In Arrival, the Kryptonite rocks in Lex's safe (the sentinels) glowed green when Lionel got near them.

Nice catch! I didnt even notice that till now.

Triligors

10-13-2005, 08:28 PM

Is Lionell, Lionell? Or is Lionell, Jor-El? In the scene between ?Lionell? and Lex?

user123456789

10-13-2005, 08:29 PM

Mmm... I'm not so sure. In Arrival, the Kryptonite rocks in Lex's safe (the sentinels) glowed green when Lionel got near them.

But that's neither here nor there. I'm fairly certain Lionel was referring to Brainiac when he said only "he" could open [the ship].

I too think Lionel was always Jor-El, but wouldn't that mean Jor-El knows that braniac is here on earth and is an imminent danger to clark?

user123456789

10-13-2005, 08:29 PM

Is Lionell, Lionell? Or is Lionell, Jor-El? In the scene between ?Lionell? and Lex?

I believe Lionel is truly back to normal. No more human manifestations of Jor-El, for now.

Anguissette1979

10-13-2005, 08:30 PM

I too think Lionel was always Jor-El, but wouldn't that mean Jor-El knows that braniac is here on earth and is an imminent danger to clark?

Either a plot hole or a "gotcha" ;)

Mike_D

10-13-2005, 08:30 PM

Lio-el

Jor-Nell

....its gonna keep you guessin I bet. I especially liked how Lionel/Jor-el was playing dumb with Lex. You could tell lex was getting aggitated. But seeing how things are going, I wouldnt be suprised if Lex kills off Lionel (not knowing its jor-el of course).

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:31 PM

Is Lionell, Lionell? Or is Lionell, Jor-El? In the scene between ?Lionell? and Lex?

I think Jor El is IN Lionel & is controlling him. So I am sure most think Jor El is kinda officially Lionel. But when he needs Krypton info he turns on freaky eyed Lionel. It is soooooooo obvious I think with Lionels reply about being that creative to Lex that IS Jor El & like I said before I soooooo HOPE that they show when the Jonathen & Martha Kent find out who is inside Lionel & controlling him lol :up:

Jonathen - "Jor El I am gonna kick your a$$"

Martha - "Jonathen what are you doing"

Jonathen - "I'm not kicking Lionels a$$ Martha I am kicking Jor El's a$$ so everythings okay" :up:

Carter

10-13-2005, 08:31 PM

The ratings are fantastic. They broke WB records two weeks in a row for Thursday viewership, and they're *smoking* the competition in the target 18-34 y.o. male demographic.

Awesome, I really think we'll get a couple more seasons:up:

MJZ

10-13-2005, 08:33 PM

ditto. I actually enjoyed his super-leap more than I would if he had flown. He (Clark) doesn't know how to fly yet, so super-leap would be the next best thing. Their SFX are getting better too.

The last Lana and Clark scene was so well choreographed.. i nearly cried. Slow motion of Lana jumpin to hug Clark. Clark then grasps here as hard as he can (without killin her ofcourse). The wideshot of him standing straight up, holding her nearly 12 inches off the ground was priceless. They then rub noses and she caresses his face. PRICELESS. EXCELLENT DIRECTING.

Yes it was just incredibly well-done. WB tried and failed for years to do a Death of Superman film but leave it to SV to nail it. From beginning to end it was brilliantly conceived.

I loved the "empty tomb" scene in the hospital as well as Clark's reapparance at the Kent Farm. Incredible. And the scene with Lana was awesome. Rock song worked great.

TW/Clark is really starting to develop that otherworldly Superman presence. I love how all those around him are questioning his humanity.

This episode was profoundly deep and the highlight of the entire series thus far, even moreso than the obligatory Reeve episodes.

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 08:35 PM

I too think Lionel was always Jor-El, but wouldn't that mean Jor-El knows that braniac is here on earth and is an imminent danger to clark?Yeah, Jor-El knows about Braniac. That was the whole point about rushing Clark to put the stones together last season. But I also think Jor-El is more concerned about the fate of the PLANET with Brainiac running around. Clark is the only one who can stop him, and Brainiac is going to pull quite a few mind games on Clark. And since Clark isn't the brightest bulb on the marquee sometimes (I can say that 'cause I still LOVE Clark! LOL), it's gonna be an on-the-edge-of-your-seat ride.

Triligors

10-13-2005, 08:37 PM

lol. Yeah, that would be funny.

Lex: What are you doing?
John: That's not your father
Lex: What are you talking about?
John: You can't have my son.
Lionel: He's my son.
Lex looks between the two, then towards Clark
Lex: Brother?

Not, as good as the lines you came up with though

Guess we won't know until later, another is Lionell blind? scenario

user123456789

10-13-2005, 08:38 PM

Yeah, Jor-El knows about Braniac. That was the whole point about rushing Clark to put the stones together last season. But I also think Jor-El is more concerned about the fate of the PLANET with Brainiac running around. Clark is the only one who can stop him, and Brainiac is going to pull quite a few mind games on Clark. And since Clark isn't the brightest bulb on the marquee sometimes (I can say that 'cause I still LOVE Clark! LOL), it's gonna be an on-the-edge-of-your-seat ride.

Then why would Jor-El let Braniac be Clarks professor? I'm sure by now Jor-El can be completely honest with Clark, especially after everything that has happened.

Surely Braniac knows Clark is Kal-El.

Serene

10-13-2005, 08:40 PM

Yeah, Jor-El knows about Braniac. That was the whole point about rushing Clark to put the stones together last season. But I also think Jor-El is more concerned about the fate of the PLANET with Brainiac running around. Clark is the only one who can stop him, and Brainiac is going to pull quite a few mind games on Clark. And since Clark isn't the brightest bulb on the marquee sometimes (I can say that 'cause I still LOVE Clark! LOL), it's gonna be an on-the-edge-of-your-seat ride.

I'm kind of glad they are easing into showing us Brainiac.. the suspense is building. Truly, these first three shows have been OTT awesome even without using their Marsters trump card. I'm so impressed and happy with the new directions they are going. Finally, they ARE doing the things everyone wanted to see.

Okay, maybe not everyone.. but an awful lot of guys in the 18-34 range. ;)

And most of us. :D :up:

dpm07

10-13-2005, 08:40 PM

Great episode!

I didn't see the part that they showed in the previews for Braniac when he was at the piano, though.

Also, great previews for next week. They even said Aquaman, in the previews which was cool, and he was holding his own against clark in the water in the previews when they were fighting! The way he throws Clark out of the water was intense! :up:

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:40 PM

Then why would Jor-El let Braniac be Clarks professor? I'm sure by now Jor-El can be completely honest with Clark, especially after everything that has happened.

Surely Braniac knows Clark is Kal-El.

If you read the Spoilers Braniac is going to tell Clark what REALLY happened & WHY Krypton blew up & Braniac does NOT want the same thing happening to Earth so yes he knows Clark is Kal El. Braniac wants to SAVE the Planet Earth.

Mike_D

10-13-2005, 08:41 PM

Does anybody else think why people are not questionoing Lex's motives all the time?? Everytime he talks to Lana or chloe, he asks about Clark. Like tonight, it was:

"So you saw aliens? Does Clark Know?" out of nowhere, Lex asks that.

"So, you did your laundry today...does Clark know?"

"A missle almost destroyed Smallville eh? So...what does Clark know?"

And the people that he asks are like "yea he doesnt know anything."

...he might as well where a shirt that says "Does Clark Know?"

The Question

10-13-2005, 08:42 PM

I think Lionel is being possesed by Zod (controlling him remotely from the Phantom Zone). The Jor-El program (he really isn't Jor-El, just the ship's computer which has been imprinted with Jor-El's personality) would kill someoen to help Clark.

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 08:44 PM

Yes it was just incredibly well-done. WB tried and failed for years to do a Death of Superman film but leave it to SV to nail it. From beginning to end it was brilliantly conceived.

I loved the "empty tomb" scene in the hospital as well as Clark's reappearance at the Kent Farm. Incredible. And the scene with Lana was awesome. Rock song worked great.

TW/Clark is really starting to develop that otherworldly Superman presence. I love how all those around him are questioning his humanity.

This episode was profoundly deep and the highlight of the entire series thus far, even moreso than the obligatory Reeve episodes.Yeah, have to admit, the Christ metaphors were all there. But that wasn't what made it such a fantastic episode (for me.) I think it was the full circle journey that Clark took in one ep. Plus the writing, the acting, the FX... everything just worked beautifully.

I have a question though. Anybody know why they put Lionel in his full suit and Clark in his typical red and blue in the FOS? Was that supposed to be a dream sequence, or did it actually happen? Clark was wearing a light blue shirt when he was shot, and that was removed on the hospital table. Lionel was wearing general hospital clothing - he was in a padded room after all. So what's with the wardrobe change for the FOS scenes? I'm kinda confused about that. :confused:

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 08:45 PM

I love how Lex is planting those lovely little seeds of distrust in Lana. He's no dummy and Clark's little bleeding incident didn't fool him a bit. His whole demeanor is different this season. Michael has really gotten that whole evil incarnate thing down. I'm just so geeked out.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Clark jumps really high and he's starting to show that serious inner conflict that so many people think was missing last season. It's going to be such a good time to be a Smallville fan. I'll just say I am very happy. Oh and I think it may be Chloe that bites it, but not for awhile. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 08:47 PM

I have a question though. Anybody know why they put Lionel in his full suit and Clark in his typical red and blue in the FOS? Was that supposed to be a dream sequence, or did it actually happen? Clark was wearing a light blue shirt when he was shot, and that was removed on the hospital table. Lionel was wearing general hospital clothing - he was in a padded room after all. So what's with the wardrobe change for the FOS scenes? I'm kinda confused about that. :confused:

Good question. He was still wearing the red jacket with the blue shirt when he showed up back at home just a little worse for wear and Lionel was wearing the same suit at the mansion.

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 08:49 PM

Braniac wants to SAVE the Planet Earth......by eliminating its human infestation. THAT's what Jor-El is concerned about.

user123456789

10-13-2005, 08:49 PM

If you read the Spoilers Braniac is going to tell Clark what REALLY happened & WHY Krypton blew up & Braniac does NOT want the same thing happening to Earth so yes he knows Clark is Kal El. Braniac wants to SAVE the Planet Earth.

Um... isn't ^ exactly the opposite of Braniacs intentions throughout the comics & cartoon?

user123456789

10-13-2005, 08:51 PM

Um... isn't ^ exactly the opposite of Braniacs intentions throughout the comics & cartoon?

and what spoilers were u referring to?

Serene

10-13-2005, 08:51 PM

I have a question though. Anybody know why they put Lionel in his full suit and Clark in his typical red and blue in the FOS? Was that supposed to be a dream sequence, or did it actually happen? Clark was wearing a light blue shirt when he was shot, and that was removed on the hospital table. Lionel was wearing general hospital clothing - he was in a padded room after all. So what's with the wardrobe change for the FOS scenes? I'm kinda confused about that. :confused:

Well Jor-El arranged the situation, so I think we can assume that he included proper wardrobe along with everything else. They were both given what could be considered "typical" outfits for Clark and Lionel.

The Question

10-13-2005, 08:52 PM

Um... isn't ^ exactly the opposite of Braniacs intentions throughout the comics & cartoon?

No. Braniac wants to make everything perfect. It's just his idea of perfect entails eliminating everything that is imperfect, e/i humanity.

amazingfantasy15

10-13-2005, 08:52 PM

Lovin' this season and this episode was great. They're 3 out of 3 so far and with Aquaman next week we should go 4 for 4 if Flash was any indication. The scene with Chloe in the barn at the end was great, really lovin' the new dynamic of their relationship. I'm not sure who's gonna be sacrificed, Chloe would be the obvious bet, but she's in the credits, so unless that plot point's dragged out all season I can't see her dying. Also, Clark should get ready for round two with Zod's disciples after that space nuke.

The Incredible Hulk

10-13-2005, 08:53 PM

I think I'm still hyperventilating. :eek:

From the adorable opening scene.. to Clark falling in slo-mo, bleeding from the mouth :( ... to him flat-lining...to the FOS and Jornel (that's for Hulk;))... to his JUMP/FLIGHT onto a **&$^# missile!!!

LOL :D I was going to call it "Lion-El" but I think that was a Thundercat? :confused:

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:54 PM

...by eliminating its human infestation. THAT's what Jor-El is concerned about.

Either way he wants to SAVE it :p

The Question

10-13-2005, 08:55 PM

LOL :D I was going to call it "Lion-El" but I think that was a Thundercat? :confused:

No, that was Liono.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:55 PM

user123456789

10-13-2005, 08:57 PM

Either way he wants to SAVE it :p

We already have spoilers up to episode 10 (excluding 8&9), and I dont see any confrontation between Braniac and Clark...

Don't you guys and gals find it odd that they are taking this new approach by building up tension, but with Braniac & Clark, there seems to be NO tension at all? Does that mean Braniac VS Clark comes in season 6?

The Question

10-13-2005, 08:59 PM

No, he'll be in this season. I think they're going to take the aproach that Buffy did with villains. Start with a bucnh of stand alone or loosly connected episodes, and slowly introduce the big bad, building up to a huge show down.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 08:59 PM

I wonder if Lionel & Clark will be seen hanging out a bit more as no one else knows Lionel is Jor El & maybe Clark can ask about Krypton a little here & there. With Jor El & Braniac Clark has some great opportunities to learn about his orgins :up:

DarthSkywalker

10-13-2005, 08:59 PM

We already have spoilers up to episode 10 (excluding 8&9), and I dont see any confrontation between Braniac and Clark...

Don't you guys and gals find it odd that they are taking this new approach by building up tension, but with Braniac & Clark, there seems to be NO tension at all? Does that mean Braniac VS Clark comes in season 6?

They fight in the FOS between episode 8 and 10. Marsters confirmed it in a interview.

The Incredible Hulk

10-13-2005, 09:00 PM

No, that was Liono.

LOL I knew someone would correct me. You guys are such geeks! ;) :p

Thunder Lionel HOOOOO!!!

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 09:01 PM

They fight in the FOS between episode 8 and 10. Marsters confirmed it in a interview.

Maybe Masters can add in some classic Spike fight moves & looks as a little homage to his Spike Character :up:

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 09:01 PM

Well Jor-El arranged the situation, so I think we can assume that he included proper wardrobe along with everything else. They were both given what could be considered "typical" outfits for Clark and Lionel.So he had a change of clothing all set aside and waiting for them in the caves? And he physically changed Clark's clothes? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/confused.gif

I think we're missing something. At least *I'm* missing something. It's not a big deal - I'm just trying to understand WHY. Clark and Lionel could have easily "beamed" to the FOS as they were. There really was no need to change clothes - nor was there time. When Clark died, the missile was 30 seconds from launch. All that dialog at the FOS and Clark beaming (or running?) back to Kansas happened in 30 seconds? Meh. I don't think so. LOL They both obviously changed since both were wearing the same clothes in the next scene, albeit Clark's were quite tattered.

I dunno. There's something missing in the continuity there, but the episode was soooo fantastic, I'm just gonna ignore it.

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:02 PM

He So Flew!!!! Wtf. My Life Is Compelte!!!!!

Venom71

10-13-2005, 09:05 PM

The Incredible Hulk

10-13-2005, 09:05 PM

Oh yeah and about the episode... When Clark got back to SV with his powers and the nuke went off, I jumped up and starting screaming "he's going to catch the ****ing nuke!" At that point my wife looked at me, and I think she regretted ever knowing me, but screw it, cause that was DAMN cool. The best part was I had read all the spoilers and was totally not expecting it, it was like the leap to the truck in "Lucy" only ten times better and not sandwiched into a crap episode :up:

A lot of symbolism in this one too with the whole resurrection, as if we needed any more Christ similarities (Lana is SO Mary Magdalene in this episode). I also got a bit of a Superman the movie vibe when he chucked the nuke out into space and it exploded. Remember that's what freed Zod from the Phantom Zone.. who knows?

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 09:05 PM

We already have spoilers up to episode 10 (excluding 8&9), and I dont see any confrontation between Braniac and Clark...

Don't you guys and gals find it odd that they are taking this new approach by building up tension, but with Braniac & Clark, there seems to be NO tension at all? Does that mean Braniac VS Clark comes in season 6?

They still have 12 more episodes after that. Be patient.

DarthSkywalker

10-13-2005, 09:06 PM

Ok two questions.

1. Did Fine show up at all?

and

2. Did Clark fly?

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 09:07 PM

Well that was an intense episode....I will admit I teared up during the hospital scene. When Clark went after the rocket...Ok hold on to your hats......That was SUPERMAN! I was very impressed with this episode! :up: :up:Venom, you do know that folks from the Supes' forum know how to read blacked out text, right? :p

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/busted.gif

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:07 PM

Ok two questions.

1. Did Fine show up at all?

and

2. Did Clark fly?
1. He was metioned. Well Braniac was, alot.
2. OH HELLZ YEAH!

user123456789

10-13-2005, 09:08 PM

1. He was metioned. Well Braniac was, alot.
2. OH HELLZ YEAH!

lets not try to twist the truth here everyone. even though we'd all like clark to fly, i think its evident that it was a super leap.

DarthSkywalker

10-13-2005, 09:09 PM

1. He was metioned. Well Braniac was, alot.
2. OH HELLZ YEAH!

Seriously? Damn this sounds great. What does that make, 4 really good episodes in a row? i didn't think they could pull it off, but looks like they have.

Serene

10-13-2005, 09:09 PM

Here are the lyrics to that song that played at the end when Clark came home knowing he was no longer human...
Another really nice song choice.

DISAPPEARING WORLD by David Gray

Slowly the truth is loading
I'm weighted down with love
Snow lying deep and even
Strung out and dreaming of

Night falling on the city
Quite something to behold
Don’t it just look so pretty
This disappearing world

We’re threading hope like fire
Down through the desperate blood
Down through the trailing wire
Into the leafless wood

Night falling on the city
Quite something to behold
Don’t it just look so pretty
This disappearing world
This disappearing world

I'll be sticking right there with it
I'll be by your side
Sailing like a silver bullet
Hit ‘em ‘tween the eyes
Through the smoke and rising water
Cross the great divide
Baby till it all feels right

Night falling on the city
Sparkling red and gold
Don’t it just look so pretty
This disappearing world
This disappearing world
This disappearing world
This disappearing world

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:09 PM

lets not try to twist the truth here everyone. even though we'd all like clark to fly, i think its evident that it was a super leap.Screw you Bioacth, he flew. HELLZ YEAH, TEH FING AWESOME!

The Question

10-13-2005, 09:10 PM

lets not try to twist the truth here everyone. even though we'd all like clark to fly, i think its evident that it was a super leap.

No it wasn't. There was the same warped gravity affect on the ground that there was when he flew in the first episode of last season.

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:10 PM

No it wasn't. There was the same warped gravity affect on the ground that there was when he flew in the first episode of last season.I know this bastard says he wasn't.

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 09:11 PM

Here are the lyrics to that song that played at the end when Clark came home knowing he was no longer human...
Another really nice song choice.

DISAPPEARING WORLD by David Gray

Slowly the truth is loading
I'm weighted down with love
Snow lying deep and even
Strung out and dreaming of

Night falling on the city
Quite something to behold
Don’t it just look so pretty
This disappearing world

We’re threading hope like fire
Down through the desperate blood
Down through the trailing wire
Into the leafless wood

Night falling on the city
Quite something to behold
Don’t it just look so pretty
This disappearing world
This disappearing world

I'll be sticking right there with it
I'll be by your side
Sailing like a silver bullet
Hit ‘em ‘tween the eyes
Through the smoke and rising water [/url]
Cross the great divide
Baby till it all feels right

Night falling on the city
Sparkling red and gold
Don’t it just look so pretty
This disappearing world
This disappearing world
This disappearing world
This disappearing world

It's just so......beautiful[url="http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm117YYUS"]http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm117YYUS)

user123456789

10-13-2005, 09:11 PM

No it wasn't. There was the same warped gravity affect on the ground that there was when he flew in the first episode of last season.

so ur sayin he did fly?

Venom71

10-13-2005, 09:12 PM

Venom, you do know that folks from the Supes' forum know how to read blacked out text, right? :p

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/busted.gif
Thats not why I did it...I didn't want to ruin it for anyone that might not of seen the episode yet :) :p

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:13 PM

so ur sayin he did fly?HELLZ YEAH! :supes:

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 09:13 PM

When Clark got back to SV with his powers and the nuke went off, I jumped up and starting screaming "he's going to catch the ****ing nuke!" At that point my wife looked at me, and I think she regretted ever knowing me...LMFAO!!! That's why you have us, Hulk. We understand. We were cheering right along with ya hon. :up:

Ok two questions.

1. Did Fine show up at all?Nope. Next episode. Hang in thar.

2. Did Clark fly?He took off the same way he did in Crusade - the ground deflected and circular waves emanated outwards from Clark's feet. I'd say it was a massive jump - MUCH bigger than the one in Lucy or Insurgence - and it was initiated the way he would if he was taking off for flight. Did he actually fly? Mmm... I'd say no. But judging from that jump, it's not gonna be long. I'd put money on seeing him FLY again, THIS season.

The Incredible Hulk

10-13-2005, 09:13 PM

we need one of those animated .gif thingies of the rocket leap/jump/flight

amazingfantasy15

10-13-2005, 09:14 PM

yeah, that flying effect did happen, but it looked more like a jump, the was an arch, would've been straight up if it was flight

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 09:14 PM

No it wasn't. There was the same warped gravity affect on the ground that there was when he flew in the first episode of last season.

I'm thinking it was a super jump because of the way he grabbed the missile it was like he was trying to hold on. Superman would have flown along side and then grabbed it. Clark had to punch holes in the side to be able to hold on.

It doesn't really matter because it was still way cool!!

Serene

10-13-2005, 09:14 PM

So he had a change of clothing all set aside and waiting for them in the caves? And he physically changed Clark's clothes? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/confused.gif

I think we're missing something. At least *I'm* missing something. It's not a big deal - I'm just trying to understand WHY. Clark and Lionel could have easily "beamed" to the FOS as they were. There really was no need to change clothes - nor was there time. When Clark died, the missile was 30 seconds from launch. All that dialog at the FOS and Clark beaming (or running?) back to Kansas happened in 30 seconds?

Pat.. your disbelief suspenders are slipping. ;)
It's the same theory on how there could even BE a Jor-El, or an FOS.. or any of the other fantastic stuff associated. I mean, he brought Clark back from the DEAD.. having clothes materialize, or whatever, doesn't seem such a stretch. Also, I think that all that happened from the time Clark "died" and came back was probably in a suspended time. More Kryptonian "magic". :)

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:15 PM

yeah, that flying effect did happen, but it looked more like a jump, the was an arch, would've been straight up if it was flightWHY DON'T YOU GO HOME!

Serene

10-13-2005, 09:15 PM

we need one of those animated .gif thingies of the rocket leap/jump/flight

I give it less than an hour. :)

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 09:16 PM

Thats not why I did it...I didn't want to ruin it for anyone that might not of seen the episode yet :) :pI was yankin' your chain. LOL There's a big spoiler warning in the title of this thread, so whomever enters here, already KNOWS they're gonna be spoiled if they haven't seen the ep yet. They enter at their own risk.

Glad to know you saw Superman with the rest of us red-headed stepchildren though. :D :up:

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:16 PM

I want that as my avatar!

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:17 PM

I was yankin' your chain. LOL There's a big spoiler warning in the title of this thread, so whomever enters here, already KNOWS they're gonna be spoiled if they haven't seen the ep yet. They enter at their own risk.

Glad to know you saw Superman with the rest of us red-headed stepchildren though. :D :up:You really went hard on the guy. Guess I have to do it anyway.

PWNED!!!!

The Question

10-13-2005, 09:17 PM

I'm thinking it was a super jump because of the way he grabbed the missile it was like he was trying to hold on. Superman would have flown along side and then grabbed it. Clark had to punch holes in the side to be able to hold on.

It doesn't really matter because it was still way cool!!

I assumed that was just him trying to hold onto the rocket. Plus, he's new at the flying thing. He probably isn't as fast as a missile yet.

Venom71

10-13-2005, 09:17 PM

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 09:18 PM

amazingfantasy15

10-13-2005, 09:19 PM

Go f' yourself DrVenkman90

I thought the episode was great and geeked out when I saw the gravity effect, but it was clearly a jump.

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:19 PM

I assumed that was just him trying to hold onto the rocket. Plus, he's new at the flying thing. He probably isn't as fast as a missile yet.That's true, he hasn't ever done it before. He is probably thinking it was a superjump like you newbies. We all know he did start out faster than a speeding bullet (if you know what I mean). I love it, I just love it.:supes:

Serene

10-13-2005, 09:20 PM

It's something new that Jor-El taught him for when he actually becomes Superman. Presto Chango! Ala Peanut Butter Sandwiches!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

I think it's early Phone Booth training. ;)

(and I caught that Sesame Street reference, btw. LOL)

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:20 PM

Go f' yourself DrVenkman90

I thought the episode was great and geeked out when I saw the gravity effect, but it was clearly a jump.No, IT WAS FLYING.

:supes:FLYING!

user123456789

10-13-2005, 09:20 PM

That's true, he hasn't ever done it before. He is probably thinking it was a superjump like you newbies. We all know he did start out faster than a speeding bullet (if you know what I mean). I love it, I just love it.:supes:

i can't tell if ur being sarcastic, or mean. lol...

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 09:20 PM

I assumed that was just him trying to hold onto the rocket. Plus, he's new at the flying thing. He probably isn't as fast as a missile yet.

Nah, can't happen yet, no cape. No. 1 alien superhero rule: can't fly without cape.

DarthSkywalker

10-13-2005, 09:22 PM

LMFAO!!! That's why you have us, Hulk. We understand. We were cheering right along with ya hon. :up:

Nope. Next episode. Hang in thar.

He took off the same way he did in Crusade - the ground deflected and circular waves emanated outwards from Clark's feet. I'd say it was a massive jump - MUCH bigger than the one in Lucy or Insurgence - and it was initiated the way he would if he was taking off for flight. Did he actually fly? Mmm... I'd say no. But judging from that jump, it's not gonna be long. I'd put money on seeing him FLY again, THIS season.

Thanks for the big help, and it sounds awesome.

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 09:22 PM

I think it's early Phone Booth training. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

Exactly!!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

(and I caught that Sesame Street reference, btw. LOL)

Sad, what I'll do to entertain myself.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:22 PM

Nah, can't happen yet, no cape. No. 1 alien superhero rule: can't fly without cape.I fly and I don't have a cape. ANSWER THAT!

amazingfantasy15

10-13-2005, 09:23 PM

I just watched the scene again, if he flew then why did he begin to slip down the side of the rocket once he got there

Evelisse

10-13-2005, 09:23 PM

Great episode :up: just needed my Spike :D

Looked like super jump to me, though in the begining of the episode all i was thinking is, Is Clark gona catch the f**king missle? :D

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 09:23 PM

Pat.. your disbelief suspenders are slipping. ;)
It's the same theory on how there could even BE a Jor-El, or an FOS.. or any of the other fantastic stuff associated. I mean, he brought Clark back from the DEAD.. having clothes materialize, or whatever, doesn't seem such a stretch. Also, I think that all that happened from the time Clark "died" and came back was probably in a suspended time. More Kryptonian "magic". :)Oh, my disbelief suspenders are on all the time, trust me. It's my radar for continuity gaffs that bug me. I'm thinking there *may* have been a scene cut (probably for time) that would have explained the wardrobe switch. As it was, there was no REASON to have a change of clothes. That's my peeve.

I think Triplet noticed something similar in Ageless and was perturbed by it. Fortunately, Hidden was a phenomenal episode, unlike Ageless, so it's easy to forgive the editing gaff, if that's what it was.

user123456789

10-13-2005, 09:24 PM

No, I'm not. Do you suck men or something. Because you sound really gay....

wow that was uncalled for.

The Incredible Hulk

10-13-2005, 09:24 PM

No, I'm not. Do you suck men or something. Because you sound really gay....

now now, let's not turn this into the K-Site forums :rolleyes:

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:24 PM

I just watched the scene again, if he flew then why did he begin to slip down the side of the rocket once he got there Because, he is new at flying. Are you dense. Are you retarted or something. I am the god damn Venkman!

DrVenkman90

10-13-2005, 09:25 PM

now now, let's not turn this into the K-Site forums :rolleyes:Okay, nobody wants that. Did you know that they have adult Fan Fiction!:eek: Thats so gross.

amazingfantasy15

10-13-2005, 09:26 PM

you got a tivo? watch the scene again, sorry, it's a jump

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 09:26 PM

I fly and I don't have a cape. ANSWER THAT!

Hon, you're not actually flying now stop standing on the couch and stop smoking that stuff.

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 09:26 PM

Nah, can't happen yet, no cape. No. 1 alien superhero rule: can't fly without cape.Tell that to Edna 'E' Mode. "No capes!" LOL :p

The Incredible Hulk

10-13-2005, 09:28 PM

LMFAO!!! That's why you have us, Hulk. We understand. We were cheering right along with ya hon. :up:
.

LOL It's so sad, I'm a 30 year old man wearing a Superman shirt (which ironically enough always happens to be "clean" on Thursday nights) and I'm jumping and screaming like an idiot. :o :supes:

DarthSkywalker

10-13-2005, 09:28 PM

Tell that to Edna 'E' Mode. "No capes!" LOL :p

Still my favorite scene in that incredible (pun intended) movie.

Michael Corleone

10-13-2005, 09:29 PM

As for his flying/not flying...I would say that he did fly. But only to an extent. He didnt do it because he knows how. He did it out of sheer will. He may have wanted to just jump but he flew. I think he just doesnt realize it. I agree with pat that we will most likely see him fly this season. Or learn to at least. Maybe the season ender will be the clincher. My guess is after the film comes out most if not all the rules might be out the window. ( not like most of them arent already broken or at least bent to hell.)

user123456789

10-13-2005, 09:30 PM

you got a tivo? watch the scene again, sorry, it's a jump

no tivo here. but this time tomorrow, it'll be up on the internet for me, lol.

Serene

10-13-2005, 09:30 PM

Oh, my disbelief suspenders are on all the time, trust me. It's my radar for continuity gaffs that bug me.
Fair enough.. It's funny how we all notice different things. None of the FOS stuff stuck out to me. What did confuse me a bit was the end scene with Lana showing Lex Clark's medical records. This was right on the heels of her seeing Clark alive again and in tattered clothes.. That's a BIG gap of information to skip!

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 09:31 PM

Tell that to Edna 'E' Mode. "No capes!" LOL :p

Oh God!! I have kids and didn't even get that reference until someone (DarthSkywalker) badly punned it LOL......,but notice they weren't aliens. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 09:31 PM

LOL It's so sad, I'm a 30 year old man wearing a Superman shirt (which ironically enough always happens to be "clean" on Thursday nights) and I'm jumping and screaming like an idiot. :o :supes:Pffft! I'm a 40 y.o. woman into bodybuilding *because* of Superman/Smallville. So who's more sad here? LOL

Mike_D

10-13-2005, 09:31 PM

That super-jump mini-flight was priceless. A true classic superman moment. I'd like to see avatars made pretty soon of that moment :)

Serene

10-13-2005, 09:31 PM

No, I'm not. Do you suck men or something. Because you sound really gay....

You've just crossed the line.

And you're seriously KILLING MY HAPPY BUZZ in this thread. :mad:

muscaremy

10-13-2005, 09:34 PM

awesome ep the whole thing rocked... i say he jumped but may have flew unknowingly......

also anyone besides me find it funny how huge welling is compared to kristin....I mean when he was holding her it was like a foot between the ground and her feet.... just damn hes a big dude

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 09:34 PM

Maybe we will see Clark finally learning to fly in the Episode where he has the Halloween Costume on with a Cape :up:

Michael Corleone

10-13-2005, 09:35 PM

No, I'm not. Do you suck men or something. Because you sound really gay....

that looks like a ban to me or at least a serious probation

amazingfantasy15

10-13-2005, 09:35 PM

Yeah, I noticed that, I didn't know Kristen was so short, she had heels on too.

Serene

10-13-2005, 09:36 PM

Maybe we will see Clark finally learning to fly in the Episode where he has the Halloween Costume on with a Cape :up:

I'm still hoping he dresses up at Batman. :)

Hey.. there's going to be vampires, so why not bats?

Serene

10-13-2005, 09:37 PM

Yeah, I noticed that, I didn't know Kristen was so short, she had heels on too.

Tom's like 6'4".. Most women would be have their feet dangling if he picked them up like that.

Except Pat. ;)

muscaremy

10-13-2005, 09:41 PM

yea but it just looked soooo i dunno to me.... like damn ..... look at that

Venom71

10-13-2005, 09:41 PM

You really went hard on the guy. Guess I have to do it anyway.

PWNED!!!!
Hmmmm? Not seeing it :p

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 09:41 PM

Tom's like 6'4".. Most women would be have their feet dangling if he picked them up like that.

Except Pat. ;)LOL!! Yup. :D :up:

user123456789

10-13-2005, 09:42 PM

the scene was one of the best clana scenes.

ever,

user123456789

10-13-2005, 09:43 PM

LOL!! Yup. :D :up:

how tall are ya?

AgentPat

10-13-2005, 09:44 PM

how tall are ya?LOL Well, to be honest, my feet would dangle too - just not as far off the floor as Kreuk's. I'm 6'.

C. Lee

10-13-2005, 09:45 PM

DrVenkman90 is on probation for his actions....let's all keep it clean and nice please.

muscaremy

10-13-2005, 09:45 PM

what i really gettin at is they disguise all the actors heights really well cuz kreuk never seemed that short in comparison before

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 09:45 PM

Hmmmm? Not seeing it :p

It's okay, I think his mom made him go to bed. Oops edit C. Lee made him go to bed.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Venom71

10-13-2005, 09:46 PM

I thought the scene when Clark was trying to sneak Lana out of the house was hilarious...I knew he wasn't going to get it done and then when Chloe walked in it was even more funny. :up: :D

Serene

10-13-2005, 09:46 PM

LOL Well, to be honest, my feet would dangle too - just not as far off the floor as Kreuk's. I'm 6'.

Not only would my feet be dangling.. I'd probably be standing on his belt buckle.

<-might look up to KK.

user123456789

10-13-2005, 09:46 PM

LOL Well, to be honest, my feet would dangle too - just not as far off the floor as Kreuk's. I'm 6'.

damn. and damn, lol. i'm only 5'9".

and muscaremy, thats a good point. that reminds me of this one episode where they DIDN'T hide the disguise well, cause we all noticed martha stepping on a block to talk to clark.

muscaremy

10-13-2005, 10:05 PM

tho i guess even if welling picked me up (which would be weird cuz im a guy)

it would be odd too cuz im only 5'8"-5'10"

Michael Corleone

10-13-2005, 10:11 PM

Yeah, I noticed that, I didn't know Kristen was so short, she had heels on too.

She is quite short. My guess is 5 feet. imdb lists her at 5'4 but that just isnt possible. My gf is 5'4 and she doesnt lift off the ground that much and Im 6'4 as well.

KikiDee

10-13-2005, 10:12 PM

it would be odd too cuz im only 5'8"-5'10"

So is this with and without heels on?

MJZ

10-13-2005, 10:26 PM

muscaremy

10-13-2005, 10:29 PM

tho i guess even if welling picked me up (which would be weird cuz im a guy)

it would be odd too cuz im only 5'8"-5'10"

i just never measure myself

Brainiac 8

10-13-2005, 10:33 PM

So far the season is 3 for 3!

Having to talk to the parents about his relationship, then Chloe walking in.

Clark being shot.

Clark getting his powers back.

Lionol being the physical embodyment of Jor-El.

Lex being EEEVVVIIILLL!

Leaping tall rockets in a single bound!!

Loved this episode!!!Five Thumbs!!!:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Carter

10-13-2005, 10:39 PM

Yeah, this season is awesome so far

Descendant

10-13-2005, 10:40 PM

This season has just became amazing. I mean they are 3 for 3 so far but that episode was so much more. I never cared for the actual comic storyline of the Death of Superman because it just seemed like they did it to boost sales. But it was great they used it in Smallville, because it totally shows the immortality and the godness of Clark Kent/Superman. The episode was so epic in scope and intimate with characters and the episode just totally blew me away. Keep it up Smallville.:supes:

Brainiac 8

10-13-2005, 10:42 PM

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 10:43 PM

Brainiac 8

10-13-2005, 10:45 PM

I wonder how long we will have to live with the Clark ticked off he has his powers & never should have lost them to begin with guy. I won't be happy till I hear him say "I Love My Powers" or something like that :up:

I agree, if this season is going to really be "Superman in training", I'm sure soon we'll will see him fully embrace his abilities. You have to admit, his rocket jump was very Supermany!:supes:

tonytr1687

10-13-2005, 10:49 PM

If anyone has Tivo and is able to watch the scene again, can someone translate the dialogue between Clark and "Jornel" in the FOS. Because I'm in college and my roommate and his friends came in the room and started talking a whole bunch so I missed the lines in that scene. Thanks.

muscaremy

10-13-2005, 11:04 PM

i taped and am gonna watch again a lil later ill try to remember to write it down

MJZ

10-13-2005, 11:26 PM

Oh, and I don't care what anyone says, it was a flight.

How convenient was it that they didn't show him re-entering the atmosphere and landing back on the ground. Like he free-falled several hundred thousand feet and landed softly. Riiiiiiiight.

I agree with the theory that he already knows he can fly but his subconcious won't let him because he so desparately wants to be "normal." Those walls are starting to come down, though. He only brings it out in extremely stressful situations like this episode.

I also doubt it'll be the last flight of the season, as they felt the need to end the titles with the shot from Crusade.

Funny, when he returned to the house and was all teary-eyed I half expected him to tell the folks "I flew again..."

LostSon88

10-13-2005, 11:28 PM

1) Anyone else think the doctor was a b*tch?

2) Was anyone else caught off guard when Clark was shot? I mean it was just so "raw".

Especially compared to the past 4 seasons when it would go into slo-mo mode whenever someone tried to stab, shoot, etc. him. This time when it happened, I couldn't believe it. A classic case of less is more. :up:

darkzombiemutt

10-13-2005, 11:32 PM

OH MY GAWD! BEST HOUR OF TV EVER!!!!!

Ok, let me add my amazment again. Alright, Smallville has totally hit a fantastic stride, I hope to god they keep it up.

Jor El brought Clark back to life because he never took care of the threat he was warned about. Clark thought it was the 2 Zod disipals, but it wasn't. It's either Brainic or Zod. He lost his powers because he didnt come back at sunset, not because Jor El was done with him. So Clark has to pay the price, or more accurately, Jonathan or Chloe do. Man, Clark got himself into some $#!T.

Jor El said the life force of someone he loves must be sacraficed because his lifeforce was restored. I dont think Jor El realizes how powerful his son actually will be come (or already is). Clark learned he has the power to change destiny, he could actually prevent that death from occuring. (if it isnt Jonathan having a heart attack). So technically, we dont know if someone will actually die.

Anyhow, I was floored by the whole episode, minus the fact that the Sheriff lead the army into the Silo, that was just dumb.

Sage, where are you?!?!? I need your screencaps! Also, you should stop by and chat more often. :)

OobeDoobBenubi

10-13-2005, 11:39 PM

I soooooooo can NOT wait for Round 2 with the Krypton guy & chick :up:

Serene

10-13-2005, 11:40 PM

Oh, and I don't care what anyone says, it was a flight.

I think it was both, flight and super-jump. The swirling FX around him was suspiciously reminiscent of Kal-El's flight, but he did seem to jump more or less straight up and without guided direction. Also, like someone else (maybe Kiki?) pointed out.. he had to hold on to that missile once he caught it or he was going to fall.

I do think he has the innate ability to fly.. but I don't think he's mastered it yet.

Carter

10-13-2005, 11:45 PM

I really wanted to see him fall back to the ground.
Especially after they showed his tattered clothes

muscaremy

10-13-2005, 11:50 PM

I really wanted to see him fall back to the ground.
Especially after they showed his tattered clothes

yea man i really wanted to see him fall and hear a huge thud when he hit the ground and also leave a crater.... that would've rocked.... anyhoo off to rewind tape and watch again

tonytr1687

10-13-2005, 11:56 PM

i taped and am gonna watch again a lil later ill try to remember to write it down

Thanks. :)

triplet

10-13-2005, 11:56 PM

I think Jor El is IN Lionel & is controlling him. So I am sure most think Jor El is kinda officially Lionel. But when he needs Krypton info he turns on freaky eyed Lionel. It is soooooooo obvious I think with Lionels reply about being that creative to Lex that IS Jor El & like I said before I soooooo HOPE that they show when the Jonathen & Martha Kent find out who is inside Lionel & controlling him lol :up:

Jonathen - "Jor El I am gonna kick your a$$"

Martha - "Jonathen what are you doing"

Jonathen - "I'm not kicking Lionels a$$ Martha I am kicking Jor El's a$$ so everythings okay" :up:

Pssst.... you can actually say "ASS" in threads now... have been able to for more than a year now...

;)

Just a tip from your friendly neighborhood know it all... ;)

mellyM

10-14-2005, 12:17 AM

Yeah, have to admit, the Christ metaphors were all there. But that wasn't what made it such a fantastic episode (for me.) I think it was the full circle journey that Clark took in one ep. Plus the writing, the acting, the FX... everything just worked beautifully.

I have a question though. Anybody know why they put Lionel in his full suit and Clark in his typical red and blue in the FOS? Was that supposed to be a dream sequence, or did it actually happen? Clark was wearing a light blue shirt when he was shot, and that was removed on the hospital table. Lionel was wearing general hospital clothing - he was in a padded room after all. So what's with the wardrobe change for the FOS scenes? I'm kinda confused about that. :confused:
All I know is that its the same outfit Clark wore in the premiere when he first discovered the FOS, maybe Jor El recreated them for him? He had to have a Superman outfit on, he couldn't make that leap in his jammies:)

OobeDoobBenubi

10-14-2005, 12:20 AM

I am watching the scene again right before Clark takes off & I find it funny that he stops his super speed & sees the rocket flying off hes just standing there doing nothing for a few seconds you can just tell hes thinking

"Oh look a rocket that is going to destroy Smallville what am I going to do"
then zooms to it lol

Zing79

10-14-2005, 12:20 AM

Sweet mother of all that is great about entertainment. That is the best hour of TV I've seen all year. That includes Lost, Veronica Mars, and all the other great dramas.

I've seen the show twice already and enjoyed it as much as I did seeing it the first time.

IF (and I stress if) they can keep this level of writing and entertainment up fans of Smallville will get something far better then a two hour movie.

note** this is not a knock on SR; rather, more of a boast about the show

triplet

10-14-2005, 12:22 AM

So he had a change of clothing all set aside and waiting for them in the caves? And he physically changed Clark's clothes? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/confused.gif

I think we're missing something. At least *I'm* missing something. It's not a big deal - I'm just trying to understand WHY. Clark and Lionel could have easily "beamed" to the FOS as they were. There really was no need to change clothes - nor was there time. When Clark died, the missile was 30 seconds from launch. All that dialog at the FOS and Clark beaming (or running?) back to Kansas happened in 30 seconds? Meh. I don't think so. LOL They both obviously changed since both were wearing the same clothes in the next scene, albeit Clark's were quite tattered.

I dunno. There's something missing in the continuity there, but the episode was soooo fantastic, I'm just gonna ignore it.

mmm... I think the time frames overlapped, there's a movie term for that but I can't for the life of me remember what it is, it increases tension...

Sorta like the enemy ships menacing the Enterprise in Star Trek:TOS that would move further away after the commercial break cliff-hanger, it increases tension.

I don't think Jor-El's talk with Clark happened quite when it appeared to, timeline wise.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-14-2005, 12:24 AM

Hehe :supes:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8112/untitled012yh.png

jaydawg

10-14-2005, 12:24 AM

I've always thought the best idea for explaining the supes outfit was that it was a suit of his fathers.

Mister J

10-14-2005, 12:26 AM

I really enjoyed 'Hidden' and the season as a whole so far. i had got a little worried about the show just getting silly with Brainiac and Aquaman showing up (just seemed like too much of a stretch), but I've been pleasantly suprised with how things are progressing. Clark is really beginning to accept his destiny. It'll be interesting to see how it blows up with Lana.

triplet

10-14-2005, 12:44 AM

Well that was an intense episode....I will admit I teared up during the hospital scene. When Clark went after the rocket...Ok hold on to your hats......That was SUPERMAN! I was very impressed with this episode! :up: :up:

You don't need the spoiler tags, Venom... This is a spoilery thread and you should be proud to say that Tom Welling looked like Superman!

Good onya, buddy...

He did. He really, really did.

:up: :D

DarthSkywalker

10-14-2005, 12:50 AM

Well he didn't fly.... but other then that it was great. Easily the best episode of the series.

P.S.- They really need to kill Lana.

Zing79

10-14-2005, 12:54 AM

Smallville might actually do something I’ve never seen before. Get better as a television show as people got OUT of their teen years.

Normally: leaving high school = show gets exponentially worse till it gets cancelled.

DarthSkywalker

10-14-2005, 12:56 AM

Superman

10-14-2005, 12:56 AM

So who is going to bite it?

The easy way out of that would be to say that Pete was killed in a car crash and that would be the "sacrifice" of someone Clark loved. ;) :D

DarthSkywalker

10-14-2005, 12:56 AM

Lex will die.

OobeDoobBenubi

10-14-2005, 12:57 AM

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/1599/001bv.gif

The way he gets up on the Rockets top reminds me of another dude. You know hes big & green & only says like 2 words :up:

Carter

10-14-2005, 12:57 AM

Dude, you contribute nothing

Mister J

10-14-2005, 12:58 AM

The Pete angle is too easy to play. Jor-El said someone that Clark loved. Kinda seems like either Jonathan or Chloe. My money's on blondie biting the big one.

muscaremy

10-14-2005, 12:58 AM

ok here it is... scene set up... clark awakens in fos and notices lionel posessed by jor-el

jor-el - "Hello kal-el"
clark - "How do you know to call me that"
jor-el - "You're my son"
clark - "Jor-el"
jor-el - "And i hope the time is coming when you will call me father"
clark - "I was.... I was just at the hospital. How did..... How did you get me here"
jor-el - "The portal in the cave"
jor-el - "When this body was activated by the crystal it became an oracle of kryptonian knowledge.... a vessel for me to inhabit if ever you should need me.. that time was now"
clark - "Am i dead"
jor-el - "Your mortal journal is over..yes,but your eminent destiny is too important to be sacrificed... you will return with all of your natural gifts... unfortunately this rectification does not come with out a price.. the life of someone close to you will be exchanged for yours."
clark - "No i would never ask for that"
jor-el - "You already did when you decided to relinquish your powers and disobey me...It was your choice"
clark - "Then just dont bring me back"
jor-el - "It's too late...for everything in nature there is a balance.... the life force that has been returned to you will soon be taken..from someone you love....you're about to face your darkest hour my son.. but remember the lessons we learn from pain are the ones that make us the strongest.. always know that i love you."

end scene with a hug
think thats bout it rewinded few times to get it all may have missed sum but dont think so

The Sage

10-14-2005, 12:59 AM

Hehe :supes:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8112/untitled012yh.png

Hey! That's my job biatch!!! :mad: :down

Zing79

10-14-2005, 01:00 AM

Well when you are at the bottom you can only go up. :)
Bottom of what exactly? Smallville definately isn't at the bottom of anything ratings wise -- never has been.

DarthSkywalker

10-14-2005, 01:03 AM

Bottom of what exactly? Smallville definately isn't at the bottom of anything ratings wise -- never has been.

It certainly was in quality. For to long it was just another teen drama with loosely tied stories, terrible plot ideas, and boring monsters of the week. It took graduation and fear of being cancelled for them to finally start writing a show about Superman.

triplet

10-14-2005, 01:03 AM

Nope... never has been the bottom of anything.

:up:

Carter

10-14-2005, 01:07 AM

Nope... never has been the bottom of anything.

:up:

Even you have to admit the witch storyline was atrocious

Mister J

10-14-2005, 01:07 AM

I am glad to see that this season seems more about Superman than witches or shape-shifting hotties. This season's done really well ratings-wise so far.

KalKai

10-14-2005, 01:09 AM

Season 4 wasn't all about "witches and magic", we had Isabelle yeah, but she wasn't in every episode, and some people liked that storyline anyway.

the good stuff now, fantastic shot

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5347/cks2py.jpg

look at that shadow. :up:

The Sage

10-14-2005, 01:13 AM

Death:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3717719.jpg

Burial:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3718022.jpg

Empty tomb:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3718157.jpg

Resurrection:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3718443.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3718704.jpg

Ascension:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3719592.jpg

That concludes Bible study for tonight. :)

triplet

10-14-2005, 01:13 AM

Even you have to admit the witch storyline was atrocious

Nope, I don't have to admit anything of the sort.

I'm one of the few people who thought it was brilliant.

However this year is so much better, I ain't got no complaints.

Serene

10-14-2005, 01:16 AM

Sheesh..you'd think that we had 22 episodes of witches last season from all the disproportionate *****ing people do about it.

You know, I'm too happy about tonight's ep and where the show is now to argue about last season.

Tom continues to impress me with his acting. From his "gawrsh, Ma.." face (when she asked him if they were 'safe'), to his emotion-filled scene when he returned home, the guy is just nailing it.

DarthSkywalker

10-14-2005, 01:18 AM

Nope, I don't have to admit anything of the sort.

I'm one of the few people who thought it was brilliant but this year is so much better, I ain't got no complaints.

There is no way that was brilliant. Not only was it terribly written (It took on a Witches of Eastwick feel without the talent), it was terribly acted. I seriously believe Lana couldn't act her way out of a paperbag.

Serene

10-14-2005, 01:19 AM

Death:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/sage1047/vlcsnap-3717719.jpg
That concludes Bible study for tonight. :)

I thought it was cool how they showed the blood pool under him spreading out from under him.

Thank you for the caps, Father Sage. :)

KalKai

10-14-2005, 01:20 AM

Serene

10-14-2005, 01:21 AM

I seriously believe Lana couldn't act her way out of a paperbag.

Oh that explains it.. You see, Lana's not an actress. She, uh.. makes coffee, and um..draws things, but definitely not an actress.

The Sage

10-14-2005, 01:22 AM

I thought it was cool how they showed the blood pool under him spreading out from under him.

Thank you for the caps, Father Sage. :)

:D LOL

DarthSkywalker

10-14-2005, 01:23 AM

stop going off topic.

You can't be serious....

Anyways, the best thing about this was the realism that this serious has lacked so much. I know, realism doesn't seem to make sense when refering to Superman, but something really grabbed me with the opening scene that saw the kid just simply blow those two guards away. Credit should go to him for have quite the little performance.

triplet

10-14-2005, 01:25 AM

There is no way that was brilliant. Not only was it terribly written (It took on a Witches of Eastwick feel without the talent), it was terribly acted. I seriously believe Lana couldn't act her way out of a paperbag.

Well, I've explained my reasoning on liking the stones/witch storyline before so maybe you should go dig up my reviews from last season so I don't have to explain them again.

I did think it was brilliantly conceived, anyway, even if it wasn't always brilliantly executed.

This season is far and away so much better in any case, why linger on a sore subject in a thread that has really nothing to do with that?

Enjoy this season for the wonderful season it is!

:up:

I'm having a great time watching the Superman in Training year so far... it just keeps getting better and better.

:D

Mister J

10-14-2005, 01:27 AM

Sheesh..you'd think that we had 22 episodes of witches last season from all the disproportionate *****ing people do about it.

You know, I'm too happy about tonight's ep and where the show is now to argue about last season.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was using my dislike of the witch-drama to contrast how much I like what's going on now (focusing on Kal-El). Besides, I don't see how it's '*****ing' if you just honestly didn't like something. Maybe small, unnecessary nitpicking qualifies as such, but simple dislike, I don't think so.

On a lighter note, I too am happy about tonight's episode and where it could possibly lead. Anybody see a certain bald-headed schemer gradually becoming uber-evil?

muscaremy

10-14-2005, 01:28 AM

exactly so far for me each episode is getting better and better in their own way....

Serene

10-14-2005, 01:33 AM

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was using my dislike of the witch-drama to contrast how much I like what's going on now (focusing on Kal-El). Besides, I don't see how it's '*****ing' if you just honestly didn't like something. Maybe small, unnecessary nitpicking qualifies as such, but simple dislike, I don't think so.

You're right, and I didn't mean to single you out, but I get so tired of people writing off S4 based on one element. There was so much about S4 that I liked and it tends to get overlooked.

On a lighter note, I too am happy about tonight's episode and where it could possibly lead. Anybody see a certain bald-headed schemer gradually becoming uber-evil?

The gloves have really come off for Lex. Especially in terms of the things he says to Lana. He's not exactly subtle in his trying to turn her against Clark.
Sadly, I think it's going to work.

Pickle-El

10-14-2005, 02:07 AM

Great Episode. Everyone got their chance to shine tonight......the jumping/flying was extremely kickass. Most of the show was top notch, the only parts that grated on my and my brothers nerves were the 'gaps'. Certain things that kinda make you go 'wuuuuuuuuuh?'....Oh well, Smallville is still a top 5 show for me. Tonights show reminds me why after last weeks episode.

Looking forward to keeping the momentum next week.

Pickle-El

10-14-2005, 02:11 AM

You're right, and I didn't mean to single you out, but I get so tired of people writing off S4 based on one element. There was so much about S4 that I liked and it tends to get overlooked.

The gloves have really come off for Lex. Especially in terms of the things he says to Lana. He's not exactly subtle in his trying to turn her against Clark.
Sadly, I think it's going to work.

Glad you liked it, personally, its the reason I almost stopped watching at the time.

SuperNewGuy

10-14-2005, 02:28 AM

Zing79

10-14-2005, 02:44 AM

So Clark gets shot, dies in the hospital, disappears, comes back, and there's no explanation other than it being a miracle.....................uhh, come again??????? This "suspension of disbelief" thing with the smallville writers is getting WAY out of hand!!!!!
Not to be a douche bag here….but:

I know when it cut to commercial after Clark had Lana in his arms you THOUGHT the show was over -- but you see, there was a bunch of stuff that came AFTER that commercial break. Like for instance a nice conversation between Lex and Lana questioning the absurdity of a miracle rebirth.

Maybe next week we can wait till the show actually ends -- seem like a plan?

AgentPat

10-14-2005, 05:02 AM

How convenient was it that they didn't show him re-entering the atmosphere and landing back on the ground. Like he free-falled several hundred thousand feet and landed softly. Riiiiiiiight.But he didn't land softly. He landed with a thud loud enough for Chloe to hear. There's a deep, muffled THUD vibration that Chloe hears in the missile silo when she sees that the rocket had a malfunction. Right after the thud, she realizes it was Clark and says his name.

The thud wouldn't have been the explosion in space since sound does not carry in a vacuum. The only "stretch" of belief would be how unlikely it would be that Clark would land back where he started. The Earth spins pretty fast, so it would be more likely for him to have landed in the Atlantic Ocean somewhere, but I'll cut 'em a break. It was cooler for him to land with a big ass thud outside the silo. LOL

PS: If Clark isn't over of his fear of heights now, he NEVER will be. Hee!

rumpuso

10-14-2005, 05:52 AM

PS: If Clark isn't over of his fear of heights now, he NEVER will be. Hee!
I thought of that too! Poor boy. I half expected to hear him screaming as he was falling back to earth. (I know I would have - invinsible or not!)

This was a fantastic episode. It hit me hard, just as Pariah did. I even rewatched it 3 times last night...not to mention the number of times the girls and I will watch it this weekend for our Smallville/The Fog girl's weekend!

Woot! (Hurry up Melly!)

Bad Superman

10-14-2005, 07:13 AM

I have mixed feelings about last night's episode. Can someone explaing to me what the deal with Lionel is? It's been confusing since the first episode of the season. He appears possessed by something and all of a sudden it's Jor-El? Please explain. . . .

Was Gabriel's reason to destroy Smallville was to get rid of all "freaks???

Clark's death/dissapearance reminded me alot of the Death and Return of Superman comic serires. :up:

I think Clark should tell Lana. I doubt he wants to put a fake bandage to cover up his "scar" all the time.

The rocket scene reminded me a bit of STM (the rocket chasing scene) and Superman II, when Supes throws the elevator with bombs into space.

The Incredible Hulk

10-14-2005, 07:45 AM

Soldier too, right? :D

yup, long time ago... thankful I'm not 10 years younger, not that Bosnia was a picnic but I'm damn happy I never saw the middle east

smsvmos

10-14-2005, 07:56 AM

WoW Last Night Episode was The Best so Far :eek: That Sceen when Clark Takes Off was Priceless :up:

Venom71

10-14-2005, 07:57 AM

You don't need the spoiler tags, Venom... This is a spoilery thread and you should be proud to say that Tom Welling looked like Superman!

Good onya, buddy...

He did. He really, really did.

:up: :D
:D :supes:

Bad Superman

10-14-2005, 08:02 AM

:mad: Can someone explaing to me what the deal with Lionel is? :mad:

The Lizard

10-14-2005, 08:05 AM

smsvmos

10-14-2005, 08:06 AM

Lionel was posses by Jor-El.

The Incredible Hulk

10-14-2005, 08:06 AM

:mad: Can someone explaing to me what the deal with Lionel is? :mad:

Jor-El explained it last night. When Lionel tocuhed the stone in "Commencement" when the other two had been united, he became a vessel of kryptonian knowledge that Jor-El could possess if Clark ever needed him.

When Clark flatlined, it activated that in Lionel and he was overtaken by Jor-El's consciuosness, thus the prison break and superspeed. Obviously, he's not "possessed" by Jor-El, as it seems he's in him subconsciously except when he's needed, as Lionel himself had no recollection of any of the events since he was "taken over" by Jor-El

Bad Superman

10-14-2005, 08:16 AM

Jor-El explained it last night. When Lionel tocuhed the stone in "Commencement" when the other two had been united, he became a vessel of kryptonian knowledge that Jor-El could possess if Clark ever needed him.

When Clark flatlined, it activated that in Lionel and he was overtaken by Jor-El's consciuosness, thus the prison break and superspeed. Obviously, he's not "possessed" by Jor-El, as it seems he's in him subconsciously except when he's needed, as Lionel himself had no recollection of any of the events since he was "taken over" by Jor-El

Thanks man. :up: I missed that.

user123456789

10-14-2005, 08:40 AM

She is quite short. My guess is 5 feet. imdb lists her at 5'4 but that just isnt possible. My gf is 5'4 and she doesnt lift off the ground that much and Im 6'4 as well.

Tom? Is that you?

The Sage

10-14-2005, 08:49 AM

Your mortal life has ended...be restored with your natural gifts...

Sorry to those who are turned off by them, but I loved the Christian allegories in this episode. I didn't think an episode could be as good as Rosetta, Onyx and Memoria, but here it is.

The Sage

10-14-2005, 08:51 AM

Not to be a douche bag here….but:

I know when it cut to commercial after Clark had Lana in his arms you THOUGHT the show was over -- but you see, there was a bunch of stuff that came AFTER that commercial break. Like for instance a nice conversation between Lex and Lana questioning the absurdity of a miracle rebirth.

Maybe next week we can wait till the show actually ends -- seem like a plan?

You know Zing, we don't always see eye to eye, but here you...
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2879/bruceleeowned14qk9bq.gif

RakuMon

10-14-2005, 08:55 AM

You know Zing, we don't always see eye to eye, but here you...
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2879/bruceleeowned14qk9bq.gif
Can you turn that into an avvie for me? Minus the "owned" text?
Bruce Lee's my (other) hero!

The Sage

10-14-2005, 08:55 AM

That scene where Chloe puts her hand on Clark's chest to feel where his bullet wound was healed was interesting.

The Sage's "bible study" pics post should include that, since it was like doubting Thomas feeling the scars in Christ's side after he was resurrected.

Oh you noticed that too? :)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8836/vlcsnap39992387ji.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3742/vlcsnap39993593vf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Sage

10-14-2005, 08:56 AM

Can you turn that into an avvie for me? Minus the "owned" text?
Bruce Lee's my (other) hero!

A fellow Lee fan! :up:

I'll see what I can do.

Bad Superman

10-14-2005, 08:57 AM

Oh you noticed that too? :)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8836/vlcsnap39992387ji.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3742/vlcsnap39993593vf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That second pic looks kinky. :D

scifiwolf

10-14-2005, 09:01 AM

Wow, guess this is my first time posting in the Smallville forum. :D

Last night's episode is definitely the best. Tom Welling has improved tremendously as an actor. I was laughing my ass off at the "morning after" scene between Kana, Clark, Johnathan, and Martha. It's funny cause I fear something similar might happen to me. I like that they're getting the development of the mythos back into full swing. I'm definitely able to tell the writers have this and the next few seasons mapped out. The shooting scene was phenomenal. Again, this is where Tom's growing skills as an actor are evident. The super jump and subsequent piggy-back ride kicked ass. I've been waiting for domething like that to happen. I was hoping we'd see Clark fall back to Earth, trying to control it in an early attempt at flight, but I guess not. If the episodes keep getting better and better each week, then I just might be ready to explode by the time spring rolls around.

Venom71

10-14-2005, 09:04 AM

The Sage

10-14-2005, 09:09 AM

Here's another possible religious reference: Anyone notice how they switched from the flames of the rocket propelling to Clark laid out in the FOS? I believe that when Jesus died, he descended into Hell to get the keys of life and death before resurrecting. Just a thought.

user123456789

10-14-2005, 09:29 AM

The Sage

10-14-2005, 09:30 AM

what religion is this?

Christianity.

avidreader

10-14-2005, 10:41 AM

Wow! This episode was the best. I had every possible emotion occurring throughout the whole time. I'm too speechless to get down to it, but everything worked. And I'm gonna go watch it again.

I just have to make a comment about the music score by Mark Snow played through the Clark dying scenes. It was absolutely brilliant.

Perfect! :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

user123456789

10-14-2005, 11:25 AM

Christianity.

Oh. I was a christian for 16 years, but never knew that. Thanks :up:

Bruce_Wayne29

10-14-2005, 11:31 AM

Isn't that what the Eradicator was/is in the comics?

My thoughts exactly. I still say it's not Jor-El, it's The Eradicator and that will add up for more interesting drama down the line. The whole thing about taking ppl's bodies and giving them Superman's powers is one of the traits of The Eradicator, just like the surge of energy that was tied around Jonathan's neck in the end of Covenant.

user123456789

10-14-2005, 11:35 AM

My thoughts exactly. I still say it's not Jor-El, it's The Eradicator and that will add up for more interesting drama down the line. The whole thing about taking ppl's bodies and giving them Superman's powers is one of the traits of The Eradicator, just like the surge of energy that was tied around Jonathan's neck in the end of Covenant.

I dont get it though. You're saying that for the past 4 seasons, Clark has been in contact with the Eradicator? And even IN THE FOS, its the eradicator? Where is Jor-El then? In your opinion?

Thunder Emperor

10-14-2005, 12:24 PM

well eradicator is sopposed to be his protector,

as for the eps it was rad. best eps so far. man I loved every min of eps the first few scenes with his parents. also the missle scene was cooooooool

in all a great eps.

Thunder Emperor

10-14-2005, 12:27 PM

Isn't that what the Eradicator was/is in the comics?

which could me it is still the eradicator in the end. i mean if i was the eradiccator program will i come to you and say i am a program here to serve you or i am the pure consusiness of your late father. which would you listen to

galmorzu

10-14-2005, 01:11 PM

Couple of things first off.

1) Is there any way, any where, to download the, "Am I Dead?" clip? Not the audio, but the visual as well.

2) Concerning the life that must be exchanged for Clarks, isn't it possible (sorry if this has been said) that Jor-El is going to give up his own life force in self-sacrifice for his own son?

Listen to that clip of Jor-el/Lionel talking to Clark again, and listen to the pain in his own voice. Jor-El might have finally done the one thing that will prove he trully is a good guy by sacrificing himself for his own son's life, instead of just taking the life of someone else. Nothing else could better show viewers just how much Jor-El really loves his son than this act.

Jor-El isn't floating about in the movies any more is he? Nope, all Clark has left are his holograms. Listen to Jor-El's last words to Clark as well. "Always know..that I love you." There's real pain in that voice, the same you would expect a parent to express to their child when they know they don't have much longer left with them.

It would probably crush Clark to realize his biological father would end his own existance because of the love for his son. Clark would lose his last real tie to his heritage, and it would be his fault, but seeing the self-sacrifice of his father would be a deeply painful reminder of his responsibility to the world, and would also teach him about the power of self sacrifice as well.

In the end, the only way Clark will know his father will be through the holograms at the FoS, and it was only through his own selfish decision that he is no longer able to speak directly with his father anymore.

Very sad, and extremely powerful stuff, me thinks.

The Incredible Hulk

10-14-2005, 01:17 PM

galmorzu

10-14-2005, 01:19 PM

I guess that is feasible but it sort of presupposes that Jor-El is some sentient being and that his actual life force has been what's been talking to Clark, as opposed to his consciousness programmed into the computers in the ship, caves, and FoS.

If you have that, you make the leap to Jor-El being a near immortal as opposed to just a gifted genius scientist. In the old, old comics the Kryptonians were near god-like, so it's possible that Millar and Gough are taking that route...

I had always figured it was some advanced AI anyway until this morning when I was thinking about it. While it might not be the most feasible or realistic route to take, I certainly think, story-wise, it would be the most powerful and effective.

I keep watching the clip from the yahoo site, and the expressions and tone that Jor-El/Lionel uses all seem to convey the sadness of a parent that knows their time is coming to an end. Especially that hug before telling Clark to remember that he is loved.

Notice also the subtle surge of light when Jor-El/Lionel hugs Clark, as if passing his life-force energy over to him.

The Sage

10-14-2005, 02:47 PM

Okay, replay...

Death:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8476/vlcsnap41959811ds.jpg

Burial:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2016/vlcsnap41985123jz.jpg

Empty tomb:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9636/vlcsnap42000371dn.jpg

The Sage

10-14-2005, 02:48 PM

Resurrection:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4327/vlcsnap42002536jy.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5756/vlcsnap42005878ot.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7459/vlcsnap42024209yt.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6018/vlcsnap42025306wp.jpg
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