Hidden - Discussion Thread(Spoilers)

[Brainiac 8]

I thought jump start a thread to discuss the next episode: Hidden.

I'm just Spoiling(bad pun) to talk a little about it.

For starters, it seems it's another meteor freak genocide episode.(the bad)

Clark getting shot and "death" and "Ressurection" seems very interesting and promising though.:up:

[Morg]

want spoilers? Go to Kryptonite site and check there

[Brainiac 8]

Yea kryptonsite is good for that.


It will also be interesting to see how Lana reacts to him supposedly being dead, and how Clark will explain his reapearence to her.

[DarthSkywalker]

The only problem with this episode, is the WB's constant need to showing the big gun shot.

Also am i the only one getting a tiny bit sick of the constant need for someone to get kidnapped?

[triplet]

Getting kidnapped is a genre staple... It also makes for some high stakes action.

Save the day or else someone you love could die... What is more high stakes for Clark than that?

Although, I guess it's unusual for Smallville to have it happen two episodes in a row if you count the goons in Mortal holding the Kents and Lana hostage as a kidnapping.

[muscaremy]

did anyone else notice in the trailer clarh walks in the door with his clothes all shredded and ****.... lanas there to greet him... wouldnt she notice sumtin is up if his clothes are all messed up and hes not

[Kal-El 8]

I'm just glad Kal-EL is returning, (to continue his Journey into fullfilling his DESTINY !!!!) Clark has had his time with lana, Now it's Time to move on to more IMPORTANT things .

I hope Jor-EL is in this episode .

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I'm just glad Kal-EL is returning, (to continue his Journey into fullfilling his DESTINY !!!!) Clark has had his time with lana, Now it's Time to move on to more IMPORTANT things .

I hope Jor-EL is in this episode .

Well he does get his powers back at the end of this Episode

[avidreader]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/hiddentrailer2-3.htm

Seen these new pics. That's Clark's room. I wonder how they ended up there?

[OobeDoobBenubi]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/hiddentrailer2-3.htm

Seen these new pics. That's Clark's room. I wonder how they ended up there?

It looks like hes thinking whatever hes looking at

"WTF Is That"

[AgentPat]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/hiddentrailer2-3.htm

Seen these new pics. That's Clark's room. I wonder how they ended up there?Dunno, but the red and blue pillows are a nice touch. LOL

[Dark_Lord]

Hidden Trailer (http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=04ZPIIUXK28DU21GFHP2WH660D)

[triplet]

Cool... I can't wait.

[mellyM]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/hiddentrailer2-3.htm

Seen these new pics. That's Clark's room. I wonder how they ended up there?
Its probably a few weeks later...isn't Clark starting college in this ep?..and the house is completed..I guess Clark and Lana have had some time to perfect their love making skills, lol. But please kids, don't do it in your parents house, lol

[avidreader]

Its probably a few weeks later...isn't Clark starting college in this ep?..and the house is completed..I guess Clark and Lana have had some time to perfect their love making skills, lol. But please kids, don't do it in your parents house, lol

You'd think with Lana living in her own apartment that they could keep it there. :) Makes you wonder what's really going on, Lana's got Clark's shirt on, so I wonder where her clothes are. :rolleyes:

[triplet]

Maybe Lois is staying with Lana, she is supposed to be in this episode and she does move into the apartment later.. :confused:

Or maybe the Kents were out of town and came back early unexpectedly...

[avidreader]

Maybe Lois is staying with Lana, she is supposed to be in this episode and she does move into the apartment later.. :confused:

Or maybe the Kents were out of town and came back early unexpectedly...

I thought Lois didnt come back until Aqua.

[triplet]

I thought Lois didnt come back until Aqua.

Erica's listed in the official description for the episode.
- CLARK IS SHOT! - Chloe (Allison Mack) is warned by Gabriel (guest star Johnny Lewis) that he is going to set off a missile and obliterate all of Smallville. Still stripped of his super powers, Clark confronts Gabriel and ends up getting shot. In the hospital, Clark flatlines and his fate is left in Jor-El's hands. Meanwhile, Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) believes Lionel (John Glover) has the key to open the spaceship. Kristin Kreuk, Erica Durance, Annette O'Toole and John Schneider also star. Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders wrote the episode directed by Whitney Ransick (#2T6403).

But has anyone seen this new trailer?

I haven't and I can't find a copy of it online...

[Triligors]

So, last episode Clark and Lana try to do it, but are interuped by the twins. This week Clark and Lana try to do it, but Clark's parents come home early. I wonder if this will become an ongoing gag, you know Clark has Lana but now it's now the problem of when to get the girl next door, it's how to find time to make love to her.

Oh, I was just being sarcastic. But, that does kinda seem like it by having two "failed s.ex attempts" two episodes straight in a row.

[avidreader]

Erica's listed in the official description for the episode.- CLARK IS SHOT! - Chloe (Allison Mack) is warned by Gabriel (guest star Johnny Lewis) that he is going to set off a missile and obliterate all of Smallville. Still stripped of his super powers, Clark confronts Gabriel and ends up getting shot. In the hospital, Clark flatlines and his fate is left in Jor-El's hands. Meanwhile, Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) believes Lionel (John Glover) has the key to open the spaceship. Kristin Kreuk, Erica Durance, Annette O'Toole and John Schneider also star. Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders wrote the episode directed by Whitney Ransick (#2T6403).




But has anyone seen this new trailer?



I haven't and I can't find a copy of it online...

It could be that now that Erica is part of the main credits that she'll be credited for every episode. Or maybe she will be in this episode.

I've been looking for the new trailer too and cant find it. :mad:

[KalKai]

So, last episode Clark and Lana try to do it, but are interuped by the twins. This week Clark and Lana try to do it, but Clark's parents come home early. I wonder if this will become an ongoing gag, you know Clark has Lana but now it's now the problem of when to get the girl next door, it's how to find time to make love to her.

Oh, I was just being sarcastic. But, that does kinda seem like it by having two "failed s.ex attempts" two episodes straight in a row.

two failed sex attempts? did you watch the end of Mortal? they did it already lol

[AgentPat]

two failed sex attempts? did you watch the end of Mortal? they did it already lolThat's what I was gonna say, but I thought I might have missed something :confused:

In point of fact, the deed's done. It's all downhill and "perfecting" positions and things from here. LOL :p

[avidreader]

That's what I was gonna say, but I thought I might have missed something :confused:

In point of fact, the deed's done. It's all downhill and "perfecting" positions and things from here. LOL :p

I wonder how he manages all that when he gets his powers back. Huh?:rolleyes:

[triplet]

It could be that now that Erica is part of the main credits that she'll be credited for every episode. Or maybe she will be in this episode.

She was credited in last week's description, so it's hard to tell.

I guess we'll see.

I've been looking for the new trailer too and cant find it. :mad:

:(

I want to hear what Clark says to Jonathan...

[avidreader]

:(

I want to hear what Clark says to Jonathan...

Guess we'll have to wait for Thursday. Why did it seem to be easier to wait for Wednesday rather than Thursday?

[triplet]

Guess we'll have to wait for Thursday. Why did it seem to be easier to wait for Wednesday rather than Thursday?

I don't know but you're right... It's harder to wait.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I cant figure out what exactly is "Hidden" about this ep? Usually the ep names have some significance to them regarding the plot? I've read the spoilers, but i guess I'm just missing something? :confused:

[The Incredible Hulk]

You'd think with Lana living in her own apartment that they could keep it there. :) Makes you wonder what's really going on, Lana's got Clark's shirt on, so I wonder where her clothes are. :rolleyes:


I thought about that too, then I thought back to when I was 18 and all the stupid places and times that I had sex :o

[KikiDee]

I thought about that too, then I thought back to when I was 18 and all the stupid places and times that I had sex :o

Parent's house was a right of passage wasn't it? I think you got more points if they were actually home at the time.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[triplet]

LOL!

Too funny...

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Parent's house was a right of passage wasn't it? I think you got more points if they were actually home at the time.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

I could tell you a story pretty damn interesting on that one :D I think I'll PM this one though (if you want to hear it) :o

[Triligors]

I thought it only got to Clark and Lana ripping the clothes off of each other, admiting that they are virigns and are about to do it when Clark hears a bang inside the barn. He checks it out, only to get thwarted by one of the twins.

Then this week Clark and Lana try again, but Clark's parents arrive home early.

[Triligors]

Double post.

[Triligors]

...

[KikiDee]

I thought it only got to Clark and Lana ripping the clothes off of each other, admiting that they are virigns and are about to do it when Clark hears a bang inside the barn. He checks it out, only to get thwarted by one of the twins.

Then this week Clark and Lana try again, but Clark's parents arrive home early.

Yes, but at the end of Mortal they are in Lana's loft with no such interuptions and just our imaginations to finish what they started.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Yes, but at the end of Mortal they are in Lana's loft with no such interuptions and just our imaginations to finish what they started.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

I agree. Wether you like it or not THEY DID IT :supes:

[Triligors]

Oh yeah, forgot about the ending... srry, my mistake. Just noticed that.

[Zorex]

Since the glimpse was in the spot for Hidden [tho I doubt it's actually in that ep], I guess I'll say it here...

Lionel in the FOS?

Saw the spot for Hidden yesterday, saw the stills from it a little bit ago. Definitely looks like Lionel, from what I can see.

[triplet]

It's lionel... He's channeling Jor-El, I think.

It sounded like John Glover's voice with a Jor-El type accent saying it would be his greatest challenge yet... (or whatever that line was).

[AgentPat]

It's lionel... He's channeling Jor-El, I think.

It sounded like John Glover's voice with a Jor-El type accent saying it would be his greatest challenge yet... (or whatever that line was).OMG, wouldn't it be sick if Glover becomes the physical embodiment of Jor-El this season? Oh, MAN!!! If that's what they're doing, I'll be floored!

[The Master]

Does anyone think Jor-El will give Clark that whole "selfish pursuit" speech right before he gets his powers back?

[AgentPat]

Does anyone think Jor-El will give Clark that whole "selfish pursuit" speech right before he gets his powers back?Given the fact that Clark had just flatlined, my guess is there won't be any time *before*, but perhaps afterwards. I'm more curious to see Clark's reaction though. Will he be happy to get his powers back knowing that he's been given a second chance, or will he be worried about how his abilities and alien origin will once again separate him from Lana and humanity in general?

[Triligors]

If that's how we get Jor-El.... that would be REALLY weird in a sickening weird way. Wait.... Jor-El warns Clark that Lex is not to be trusted?

Lionel: Lex Luthor is not to be trusted Clark, you need to be weary of him.

[Triligors]

And would this be the embodiment of Lionel throughout the whole series?

Wait... had Lionell become the "eradicator"?

I think I remember that the eradicator was a machine of sorts. The fortress gate was opened at the same time Lionell's eyes were fed what looked like Kryptonian computer data.

Or is this hypothesis taking this theory too far? Might explain those numbers though and Lionell's immediate Kryptonian knowledge.

[Zorex]

Lionel becoming a physical embodiment of Jor-El's consciousness would be....crazy. One of his worst enemies, father to who will be his worst enemy, suddenly becoming the physical embodiment of his formerly voice-only biological father? wowza. But a lil redundant....we've already got Jor-El, if only his voice. Still, a cool idea nonetheless.

I'm interested in seeing where this Zod thing gets taken + how Lionel is involved, since apparently, if Lionel's repeated drawing of the Zod symbol in his cell is anything to go by, it wasn't a premiere-only mention.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

If that's how we get Jor-El.... that would be REALLY weird in a sickening weird way. Wait.... Jor-El warns Clark that Lex is not to be trusted?

Lionel: Lex Luthor is not to be trusted Clark, you need to be weary of him.

Why would Lionel have to warn Clark about Lex anyway ? Their friendship is already over & he sees Lex for who he really is.

[Zorex]

Why would Lionel have to warn Clark about Lex anyway ? Their friendship is already over & he sees Lex for who he really is.
Clark has a habit of giving people the benefit of the doubt/a second chance/third chance/fourth.....etc. We've seen it before. Tho after the whole punching-each-other-in-the-face game, I don't see them going back to even just-ok terms....things might get a liiiittle smoother, thus warranting Clark a reminder that, hey, Lex is bad. Baaaad.

[BaK]

It's all downhill and "perfecting" positions and things from here. LOL
I wonder how he manages all that when he gets his powers back. Huh?:rolleyes:
If we don't get to see some real ''supersex'' , floating or non-floating, should we ask for our money back? :)

[triplet]

OMG, wouldn't it be sick if Glover becomes the physical embodiment of Jor-El this season? Oh, MAN!!! If that's what they're doing, I'll be floored!

Oh, that wasn't what I was thinking.

I was thinking that he'd be like a conduit for Jor-El, not become Jor-El.

He'd like give Clark advice from time to time, without him needing to go to the FOS to have benefit of Jor-El's knowledge.

From a writer's viewpoint, that will be highly convenient if some gem of wisdom needs to be dropped without having to resort to a time consuming trip to the FOS, they can just stick Lionel into a scene and communicate it that way.

I think they'll need to be really careful, however....

[avidreader]

All very interesting ideas. Its gonna be great watching it all unfold.

Pat, I had to laugh in one of your previous posts when you said you would be floored. I havent heard that expression since I was a little girl and my mum would tell us that she would floor us, if we misbehaved.:D

[triplet]

I don't think being "floored" means for Americans how your mom used it...

Here is like being stunned or flabbergasted or shocked...

[avidreader]

I don't think being "floored" means for Americans how your mom used it...

Here is like being stunned or flabbergasted or shocked...

I think my mother made up her version.:D

[triplet]

Oh, that explains it then.

:D

[mellyM]

Slightly off-topic, but not really..I just saw the "caught" trailer or morning after (which it really isn't) trailer, and it looks like they fell asleep, because Lana realizes the sun is up and says "oh my god" (I'm guessing thats the reason) and jumps up, and Clark is saying to Jonathan very nervously "I can explain" LOL, can't wait

[user123456789]

Slightly off-topic, but not really..I just saw the "caught" trailer or morning after (which it really isn't) trailer, and it looks like they fell asleep, because Lana realizes the sun is up and says "oh my god" (I'm guessing thats the reason) and jumps up, and Clark is saying to Jonathan very nervously "I can explain" LOL, can't wait

where did u see this trailer? sounds interesting.

[mellyM]

where did u see this trailer? sounds interesting.

the caps are on Ksite, but I was suffering through 'Charmed' (no offense to anyone who enjoys that show) trying to catch it, but sadly I didn;t get to record it.

[Kane]

Just a quick question. Im not sure but in the final scene of the 2nd 5th season episode, werent they in Lana's appartment when they started to have sex?

Somehow they ended up at the Kents in Clarks room?

http://www.kryptonsite.com/hiddentrailer2-3.htm

[Serene]

Just a quick question. Im not sure but in the final scene of the 2nd 5th season episode, werent they in Lana's appartment when they started to have sex?

Somehow they ended up at the Kents in Clarks room?

I assumed it was a different day entirely. Sex part deux? :)

Or.. maybe it is from the same evening but after they left her apartment she drove him home and he invited her in to look at his etchings.

Either way, practice makes perfect.

[triplet]

Slightly off-topic, but not really..I just saw the "caught" trailer or morning after (which it really isn't) trailer, and it looks like they fell asleep, because Lana realizes the sun is up and says "oh my god" (I'm guessing thats the reason) and jumps up, and Clark is saying to Jonathan very nervously "I can explain" LOL, can't wait

Cool.

I can't wait.... has anyone seen whether it's up on DTS?

They usually snag those purty quick like... ;)

[KalKai]

it is on DTS, link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/6092176/Hidden_Trailer_02.wmv.html

[triplet]

Thanks. :D :up:

[Spider-Gamer]

Thanks. :D :up:
I have to agree! :up:

[Serene]

it is on DTS, link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/6092176/Hidden_Trailer_02.wmv.html

Thanks!

I love it.. the morning afterglow looks of love going right into..panic-mode!
LOL.. I can't wait.

[Brainiac 8]

And would this be the embodiment of Lionel throughout the whole series?

Wait... had Lionell become the "eradicator"?

I think I remember that the eradicator was a machine of sorts. The fortress gate was opened at the same time Lionell's eyes were fed what looked like Kryptonian computer data.

Or is this hypothesis taking this theory too far? Might explain those numbers though and Lionell's immediate Kryptonian knowledge.

That is what I was wondering too. What if the eradicator is going to use Lionel as his vessell to protect the Kryptonian knowledge. I doubt that is the way they are thinking but I think it would be cool! Like was said becoming the conduit for all kryptonian knowledge for Clark to refer too.

The villain becoming Clark's most valuable ally. I love it!:up:

[OobeDoobBenubi]

After 4 years of ****ing around & NOT being togerther & now that they are together they sure are taking every chance they get to do it :p

[The Incredible Hulk]

Just a quick question. Im not sure but in the final scene of the 2nd 5th season episode, werent they in Lana's appartment when they started to have sex?

Somehow they ended up at the Kents in Clarks room?

http://www.kryptonsite.com/hiddentrailer2-3.htm


I'm not sure but I think Hidden may take place a few weeks after Mortal...

[NHawk19]

After 4 years of ****ing around & NOT being togerther & now that they are together they sure are taking every chance they get to do it :p

Hey if you had an in with KK wouldnt you jump on it

[avidreader]

Thanks for posting that trailer link. It looks like a cute scene, and Jonathan looks more amused than mad. Cant Wait!

Someone asked earlier, I think it was Hulk, as to what Hidden is referring to. Do you think that they could be talking about the nuclear weapon?

[muscaremy]

I assumed it was a different day entirely. Sex part deux? :)

Or.. maybe it is from the same evening but after they left her apartment she drove him home and he invited her in to look at his etchings.

Either way, practice makes perfect.

etchings ey..... that wat people from kansas are calling em these days........hehe

[triplet]

LOL!

:D

Okay this is totally random, but kind of a funny story in retrospect:

I had a guy back in college who had compared women's bodies to great art in a dinner conversation and then after the movie he asked me to go with him back to his place to "discuss matters of art"....

:eek:

Is that a bad line or what?

I asked him to take me home instead.

When we got to my place I told him that I didn't want to see him again, then he started crying like a baby.


Actors. Yeesh...

Last one I dated, btw. Swore off them after that, which was kinda hard since I was acting at the time.... ;)

[mellyM]

Theres a scene from Mortal here: http://media.filmforce.ign.com/media/775/775567/vids_1.html Its of the getting caught scene, its still downloading, so I haven't watched it yet, but it looks cute:)

[Serene]

Theres a scene from Mortal here: http://media.filmforce.ign.com/media/775/775567/vids_1.html Its of the getting caught scene, its still downloading, so I haven't watched it yet, but it looks cute:)

It is cute! And lots of nice Clark shots. ;)

A nice scene with Lex and Lana too...

[triplet]

Great scenes... both the Clark/Lana and Lex/Lana ones....

[Kane]

The heck? Why was Lana forced to wear Clarks flannel shirt? Didnt she come over to the Kent house with clothes on?

[triplet]

Because the guys in the audience think it's hot?

Why ask why?

;)

[Kane]

I dont think it is. Its just...weird. Especially if she was trying to sneak out of the Kents home. If she was wearing her normal clothes, Clark could have just said she just arrived.....but the flannel shirt was the dead giveaway.

[triplet]

It was quicker to throw that on than putting on her own, likely much more complicated, clothing? :confused:

She was more interested in a quick getaway than coming up with a thin story.

[Serene]

The real reason is that Lana *wanted* to wear Clark's shirt home. You know it smells good.. I bet she sleeps in it the next night too.

I would have grabbed it too. ;)

[triplet]

LOL!

There's that too... I used to wear my hubby's shirts to bed. They're big and soft and comfy and he loved me wearing them. Especially if there was nothing between me and his shirt... ;)

:D :up:

So, it was all good.

[user123456789]

LOL!

There's that too... I used to wear my hubby's shirts to bed. They're big and soft and comfy and he loved me wearing them. Especially if there was nothing between me and his shirt... ;)

:D :up:

So, it was all good.

i can't wait to get a wife like you some day

[user123456789]

ok i just saw the clip:

first, lana had no shirt in clarks bed... *sigh i miss when i had a chick like that.
therefore, does that mean they have sex, multiple times?

and second, I HATE LEX AND HIS CONNIVING WORDS TO DEATH!!!

[Zing79]

Anyone else watch that clip and think with just a little minor tweaking we've got a perfect bumblin' stumblin' Clark -- that ISN'T campy?

[user123456789]

Anyone else watch that clip and think with just a little minor tweaking we've got a perfect bumblin' stumblin' Clark -- that ISN'T campy?

what do u mean?

[AgentPat]

I used to wear my hubby's shirts to bed. They're big and soft and comfy and he loved me wearing them. Especially if there was nothing between me and his shirt...

:D :up:

So, it was all good.Ah, somebody with a brain, not to mention on point. Woman wear their man's clothes - because of the smell, the comfort, marking territory - you name it. Plus, it's just plain sexy. Get with the program people. Lana wearing Clark's flannel was hot! :rolleyes:

Zing, actually, that DID cross my mind.

BoyscouT, it's the difference between a "natural," bumbling behavior that's situational without being forced - like something you'd see in a *good* rom-com - verses an over-the-top performance that's entertaining, but unrealistic.

[Dark_Lord]

EDIT: Nevermind. Its already posted...

[Kane]

Im still perplexed why they even decided to go back to the Kent Farm as opposed to doing it in the Talon, which were they were starting to get intimate during the last episode. Lana said that was the best nights sleep shes gotten, so Im assuming that was the one-time they had sex. It was almost like they wanted to get caught.

[AgentPat]

Listen to the dialog as they're scrambling to put their clothes on. That scene may have taken place on a different night. Could be a few weeks after the events in Mortal for all we know. Apparently, Lana came back to the farm with Clark, they hung out in his bedroom, laid down, possibly had sex (again), and fell asleep. Lana was giving Clark grief the next morning for promising that they *wouldn't* fall asleep. Watch the scene again. A lot is explained in the dialog.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Theres a scene from Mortal here: http://media.filmforce.ign.com/media/775/775567/vids_1.html Its of the getting caught scene, its still downloading, so I haven't watched it yet, but it looks cute:)


doh, work blocks access to IGN because it thinks it's a "Game" site :mad:

Stupid Web Sense :(

[mellyM]

Listen to the dialog as they're scrambling to put their clothes on. That scene may have taken place on a different night. Could be a few weeks after the events in Mortal for all we know. Apparently, Lana came back to the farm with Clark, they hung out in his bedroom, laid down, possibly had sex (again), and fell asleep. Lana was giving Clark grief the next morning for promising that they *wouldn't* fall asleep. Watch the scene again. A lot is explained in the dialog.

Its definitely weeks later, the Kent farm house is complete, and I beleive Clark starts college in this ep, and we meet Braniac. And it is rather silly to as you said --possibly have sex when his parents are on the same floor, but I'm not complaining, that scene is damn cute:)

[avidreader]

Its definitely weeks later, the Kent farm house is complete, and I beleive Clark starts college in this ep, and we meet Braniac. And it is rather silly to as you said --possibly have sex when his parents are on the same floor, but I'm not complaining, that scene is damn cute:)

Very cute scene. I loved it when he banged his toe. Cute bumbling Clark, as said above.

[Brainiac 8]

doh, work blocks access to IGN because it thinks it's a "Game" site :mad:

Stupid Web Sense :(

I have the same problem, I hate that.:mad:

[Serene]

doh, work blocks access to IGN because it thinks it's a "Game" site :mad:

Stupid Web Sense :(

I have it saved... it's 74mb, probably too big for me to mail, but I could u/l it somewhere if you want.

[avidreader]

I have it saved... it's 74mb, probably too big for me to mail, but I could u/l it somewhere if you want.

How did you save it? I can never work out how to save those things.

[Serene]

Its definitely weeks later, the Kent farm house is complete, and I beleive Clark starts college in this ep, and we meet Braniac. And it is rather silly to as you said --possibly have sex when his parents are on the same floor, but I'm not complaining, that scene is damn cute:)

I agree, Melly. Look at the house, it's pretty much completely rebuilt and furnished. In Mortal, they were still hoisting up outside walls.

In Arrival, Lex says to Chloe that it's been "weeks" since he found her in the Yukon. I think a lot of people have a hard time grasping the passage of time between episodes sometimes. Not all of them are back to back time continuations, often there are lapses. These first two eps of this season are good examples of that.

The scene really is damn cute. I keep rewatching it, and when he hits his foot on the bed I can't help but crack up every time at his protest of how much it "hurts." :) I love how Lana teases him about staying for breakfast and he very momentarily panics... Both of them play that scene so well. Bumbling, but endearing, Clark is deadly charming...

I'm not really surprised that they had sex in his parent's house.. For multi-generational reasons I won't go into. LOL..

[Serene]

How did you save it? I can never work out how to save those things.

The page has downloadable links on it of varying quality. To the right of the movie frame.

[avidreader]

The page has downloadable links on it of varying quality. To the right of the movie frame.

Thanks.

Anyone notice that Lex is starting to make his manipulating moves on Lana. Playing on her insecurities, trying to get between her and Clark. What a piece of work he is. Its getting good. :)

[Brainiac 8]

Thanks.

Anyone notice that Lex is starting to make his manipulating moves on Lana. Playing on her insecurities, trying to get between her and Clark. What a piece of work he is. Its getting good. :)

Oh the drama! I actually hope they do it well, because this story they are thinking up slightly worries me.:o

[Serene]

Thanks.

Anyone notice that Lex is starting to make his manipulating moves on Lana. Playing on her insecurities, trying to get between her and Clark. What a piece of work he is. Its getting good. :)

Oh yeah.. the Master Manipulator. What was that line? He implies that Clark doesn't have the same faith in her that he does. LOL.. Lex you naughty boy!

[The Incredible Hulk]

I have it saved... it's 74mb, probably too big for me to mail, but I could u/l it somewhere if you want.


thanks. I'm gonna be leaving here in an hour and a half, so I might as well just wait until I get home. They dont like me putting stuff on the puters here

[avidreader]

I have a feeling that they're keeping Jonathan's hair long for the upcoming episode Exposed. So he'll look more like his Dukes of Hazard character, but I hope they get rid of it soon after that, 'cause its making him look a lot older, going by that new clip. ;)

[user123456789]

yea i like j kent with last seasons hair style.

[triplet]

I don't like JS's longer hair either... makes him look kinda creepy, actually.

[KikiDee]

If this has already been posted I do apologize, but it is so cool!!! This ends the is Jor-El channeling Lionel question.

http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/smallville.html

Hope the link works if not you can get to it on DTS.

[user123456789]

awesome clip. lionel is the man!

[The Incredible Hulk]

If this has already been posted I do apologize, but it is so cool!!! This ends the is Jor-El channeling Lionel question.

http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/smallville.html

Hope the link works if not you can get to it on DTS.


wow, thats awesome, I guess that answers that question. Cool idea :up:

[user123456789]

I wonder who lionel is talking about though. We know its not Lex, Lois, Chloe, Lana, or his parents....

WHO ELSE DOES HE LOVE?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Shelby? :(

[Serene]

If this has already been posted I do apologize, but it is so cool!!! This ends the is Jor-El channeling Lionel question.

http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/smallville.html

Hope the link works if not you can get to it on DTS.

Okay.. is anyone else freaked out that someone Clark loves is supposed to die this soon in the season? Although, I guess no time frame was stated, but it seems like it would be a trade, Clark's life for ???.

Okay.. Ladies and Gentlemen, place your bets. :)

Jonathan seems the obvious choice, but we know from spoilers that he's around for the Duke boy reunion which is 3 episodes from now.

I'm at a loss. Any speculations?

[user123456789]

I'm going to re-watch all of season 3, 4 and what has come out of 5 to give us some possibilities.

and when i say re-watch i mean fast forward to the end

[triplet]

There's a clip on AOL too...


http://us.video.aol.com/video.full.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1415198&referer=http%

this one has Clark and Chloe snooping around.

[user123456789]

Checked s03e01.exile... no one there

[user123456789]

Checked s03e01.exile... no one there
Checked so3e02.phoenix... no one there but I just saw Lana kill someone! Damn she kills alot of peeps in this show, lol.

[user123456789]

Checked so3e02.phoenix... no one there but I just saw Lana kill someone! Damn she kills alot of peeps in this show, lol.
Checked s03e03.extinction... IS IT THE SHERIFF?

and damn, lana helped another guy get killed, again! lol

[Serene]

Checked s03e01.exile... no one there
Are you checking previous eps for possible dead candidates? That seems a bit unnecessary. It's someone Clark loves.. which means:

Jonathan
Martha
Lana
Chloe
Lois?
Pete?
Shelby (according to Hulk) ;)

How about Martha's dad.. Clarks' grandpa? He was kind of a big jerk.. they can kill him off.

[The Incredible Hulk]

LOL theyre going to kill Pete off "in absentia"... boy would that be the cop out of all time :D

[user123456789]

Checked s03e03.extinction... IS IT THE SHERIFF?

and damn, lana helped another guy get killed, again! lol
no one in s03e04-06...

I think its either the Sheriff, or could it be LIONEL himself? Since he's speaking as Jor-El.

[Serene]

no one in s03e04-06...

I think its either the Sheriff, or could it be LIONEL himself? Since he's speaking as Jor-El.

Dude. Seriously.

[user123456789]

Are you checking previous eps for possible dead candidates? That seems a bit unnecessary. It's someone Clark loves.. which means:

Jonathan
Martha
Lana
Chloe
Lois?
Pete?
Shelby (according to Hulk) ;)

How about Martha's dad.. Clarks' grandpa? He was kind of a big jerk.. they can kill him off.

lol yea i am. i guess i'll stop. we know its not Pa / Ma Kent, Lana, Chloe, or Lois. Can't be Shelby, or else I will go crazy at the horrible writing of the episode. PETE? Hmmm.. but that would F*** the mythos bad.

[user123456789]

Dude. Seriously.

lol. yea this is what happens on a tuesday night in college, with no parties goin on and the chicks nearest to me are spread out in 2 sororities, hence: STUCK-UP!!!

I'm hella tired from weight liftin anyway. *SIGH.. nearest freshman chicks are 20 minutes away. I HATE LIVING SO FAR FROM CAMPUS.

[triplet]

Okay.. is anyone else freaked out that someone Clark loves is supposed to die this soon in the season? Although, I guess no time frame was stated, but it seems like it would be a trade, Clark's life for ???.

Okay.. Ladies and Gentlemen, place your bets. :)

Jonathan seems the obvious choice, but we know from spoilers that he's around for the Duke boy reunion which is 3 episodes from now.

I'm at a loss. Any speculations?

I don't know, I would think it would be Jonathan since he bought it in the original Donner film but he has to be around for the Hazard reunion episode, so unless he's not going to kick it for a few eps he's not it.

I don't know either...

[user123456789]

I don't know, I would think it would be Jonathan since he bought it in the original Donner film but he has to be around for the Hazard reunion episode, so unless he's not going to kick it for a few eps he's not it.

I don't know either...

I guess we'll all just have to wait until Thursday.

[triplet]

Oh, I'm not so sure we'll find out that tidbit on Thursday.

It may take two or three or more episodes for that life to be lost...

[user123456789]

Oh, I'm not so sure we'll find out that tidbit on Thursday.

It may take two or three or more episodes for that life to be lost...

Then that would mean Pa Kent is still in the realm of possibilities.. but..

he's in the credits!! lol

[triplet]

It could be a contractual thing.

I believe John Schneider said that this year he was "signed" for all 22 episodes, but does that really mean he has to be IN those 22 episodes?

It could be that he'll stay in the credits and will get paid for all 22 but that maybe Johnathan won't get out of this season alive.

Who knows?

Odd he used that phrasing, IMO.

[Serene]

Somehow.. Clark must save whoever it is that's supposed to die.. or maybe he's just able to delay it.
Looking at the spoilers again, everyone is in the future eps.. Er, except Martha. No way they'd off Martha though.. Gah!

[user123456789]

Somehow.. Clark must save whoever it is that's supposed to die.. or maybe he's just able to delay it.
Looking at the spoilers again, everyone is in the future eps.. Er, except Martha. No way they'd off Martha though.. Gah!

that sounds like she is goin to get blown away by a gun... lol :(

[triplet]

Maybe Clark will save that person's life.... That could be it.

[user123456789]

Maybe Clark will save that person's life.... That could be it.

But the way Lionel speaks, it seems as if the life that will be sacrificed, is ALREADY sacrificed by the time clark is back.

[Kane]

It should be Pete Ross. Hes the only one close to Clark that is expendable right now. Sam Jones III left the show and it doesnt look like he'll ever return. The Smallville TV universe is also very different from the comics and the Sam Jone's Pete Ross is nothing like the original version...meaning they could do anything to him. His death in the Smallville TV Timeline would be of little consequence...

Sam Jones III need not appear either as it could simply be referenced that his character died or was killed offscreen (as was done with Swann, Crosby and many others in the Smallville mythos).

Chloe cant die (despite me wanting her to die) as she has a pivitol role in upcoming episodes. Jonathan Kent cant die either as he'll have a major role in the upcoming eps involving a change of career. Obviously they wont kill Lois, Lana or Martha....so it looks like Pete is the only option.

[KikiDee]

Hmmm Lex is supposedly very ill in the Christmas episode. Maybe it's not an instantaneous thing.

[Kane]

Lex doesnt exactly have a fond place in Clark's heart right now either.

[triplet]

I doubt they'll bring Pete back for that...

[muscaremy]

go read the season 5 spoilers thread thers ur possible answer

[Kane]

I doubt they'll bring Pete back for that...

They wouldnt need to bring him back for it.

Anyways, it looks like it wont happen anyways... it may be Martha, which is dumb, since we all know shes going to live.

[KalKai]

i don't even know why some people are considering Pete a possibility, he doesn't exist anymore, and he won't be coming back, it's someone that's CLOSE to Clark right now, 1) his parents (1 of them) or 2) Chloe .. maybe Lana too but i doubt that.

actually, thinking about it again, it could be Jor-El himself, this "i love you my son" etc etc talking, could be his goodbye.

[AgentPat]

*cough*

OMG, wouldn't it be sick if Glover becomes the physical embodiment of Jor-El this season? Oh, MAN!!! If that's what they're doing, I'll be floored!BINGO!

[In Will Smith voice]
Now THAT's what I'm talkin' 'bout!! LOL

[mellyM]

It could be a contractual thing.

I believe John Schneider said that this year he was "signed" for all 22 episodes, but does that really mean he has to be IN those 22 episodes?

It could be that he'll stay in the credits and will get paid for all 22 but that maybe Johnathan won't get out of this season alive.

Who knows?

Odd he used that phrasing, IMO.

He;s signed for 17 actually, but that doesn't mean anything..*sigh* it sucks, I don't want anyone to die. And soon doesn't have to mean in the next episode, they'll probably save it for sweeps or something, or the 100th..though that would be depressing

[GinaRenee]

He was originally signed for 17; now he's signed for 22. So is Annette. (John's actual phrasing, at least in one of his announcements, was that both of them "will now be around for all episodes of season 5.")

[NHawk19]

Well who knows John could be around in a casket for ep 22. But I like Pat's theory better.

[AgentPat]

If they actually off anybody and it's somebody that Clark "loves," then I really see there only being two options: Chloe or Jonathan. Not that I really want to see either offed permanently before the show's finale, but all the other characters are too important to Clark's future. Somehow, somewhere, Lois has to get the inspiration to become a reporter in her cousin's footsteps. And there are now two, count 'em, TWO, major motion pictures *about* Superman where Jonathan is dead by the time Clark dons the tights, so....

I guess we'll just have to sit tight and see what goes down.

[jas01724]

If they actually off anybody and it's somebody that Clark "loves," then I really see there only being two options ...They could off Shelby. :(

[GinaRenee]

There's one other option: Clark finds a way to save the person's life. Right now that looks like the most likely option to me. I mean, can you imagine if he had the death of a loved one on his conscience? It would crush him.

Along those lines, I have a feeling that Martha's upcoming illness just might be tied to this storyline.

[Brainiac 8]

If they actually off anybody and it's somebody that Clark "loves," then I really see there only being two options: Chloe or Jonathan. Not that I really want to see either offed permanently before the show's finale, but all the other characters are too important to Clark's future. Somehow, somewhere, Lois has to get the inspiration to become a reporter in her cousin's footsteps. And there are now two, count 'em, TWO, major motion pictures *about* Superman where Jonathan is dead by the time Clark dons the tights, so....

I guess we'll just have to sit tight and see what goes down.

It's too early for Jonothan, even though I think he'll be gone by the time the show has ended.(I fear for that episode:( ) If you look at K-Site, it is now mentioning Martha gaining some Krypto disease. You don't think it could be Martha to bite it do you?:eek:

Whoever it is, I think Clark should save them. They can't kill anyone!:mad:
Maybe it's the handshake guy that helped Clark in the first season.:)

[avidreader]

There's one other option: Clark finds a way to save the person's life. Right now that looks like the most likely option to me. I mean, can you imagine if he had the death of a loved one on his conscience? It would crush him.

Along those lines, I have a feeling that Martha's upcoming illness just might be tied to this storyline.

I'm with you on that one Gina. It is possible Jor-el was challenging Clark, but I think Martha's upcoming illness will be the sacrifice and Clark will find some way to save her.

I got all goose bumpy when Jor-el (even though it was Lionel) hugged Clark. I'm gonna need a big box of tissues for tomorrow night's episode.

[avidreader]

Maybe it's the handshake guy that helped Clark in the first season.:)

I seriously hope that Clark didnt love him. :)

[Kal-El 8]

Are you checking previous eps for possible dead candidates? That seems a bit unnecessary. It's someone Clark loves.. which means:

Jonathan
Martha
Lana
Chloe
Lois?
Pete?
Shelby (according to Hulk) ;)



(1) I hope Jonathan doesn't die.

(2) I hope Martha doesn't die.

(3) I wished Lana would die. (But she isn't going to die.)

(4) I hope Chloe doesn't die, but I have a feeling it's her(since she not in the SUPERMAN Mythology)

(5) They won't kill off Lois, because she's Kal-EL/SUPERMAN/Clark Kent's Future Wife .

(6) Pete isn't even in smallville. besides he get's married to lana, and first becomes Vice Pres. then The President.

[GinaRenee]

I'm with you on that one Gina. It is possible Jor-el was challenging Clark, but I think Martha's upcoming illness will be the sacrifice and Clark will find some way to save her.

I got all goose bumpy when Jor-el (even though it was Lionel) hugged Clark. I'm gonna need a big box of tissues for tomorrow night's episode.

Can you imagine how creeped out Clark must have been, though? Your dead father shows up in the body of your enemy, says he's going to kill someone for you, then hugs you? Yeeek! Like something out of "The Godfather"!

[Brainiac 8]

I seriously hope that Clark didnt love him. :)

You never know what happens off camera.:D

(you know it's bad when you gross yourself out.)

[avidreader]

Can you imagine how creeped out Clark must have been, though? Your dead father shows up in the body of your enemy, says he's going to kill someone for you, then hugs you? Yeeek! Like something out of "The Godfather"!

You know that's the first scene that Clark and Lionel have had since 4.09 Bound. I wonder if they kept them apart for that reason.

[AgentPat]

It is possible Jor-el was challenging Clark, but I think Martha's upcoming illness will be the sacrifice and Clark will find some way to save her...Well, this would be preferable to *anybody* dying, of course, but Clark has only been able to prolong Jor-El's edicts, not avoid them completely. Jor-El said somebody is going to die as a trade off of life forces. I dunno guys. To avoid Clark's death, somebody has got to pay the piper, so unless Clark can supplant the situation with some bizarre body switch - or the writers go to the Kryptonite deux ex machina well :rolleyes: , I kinda think *somebody* is gonna buy the big one at some point.

[avidreader]

Well, this would be preferable to *anybody* dying, of course, but Clark has only been able to prolong Jor-El's edicts, not avoid them completely. Jor-El said somebody is going to die as a trade off of life forces. I dunno guys. To avoid Clark's death, somebody has got to pay the piper, so unless Clark can supplant the situation with some bizarre body switch - or the writers go to the Kryptonite deux ex machina well :rolleyes: , I kinda think *somebody* is gonna buy the big one at some point.

Well the only one that fits in with that is Chloe, imo, but isnt this what Superman is about, he can change destiny.

[AgentPat]

...This ends the is Jor-El channeling Lionel question.

http://tv.yahoo.com/feature/smallville.html
BTW, looks like Glover did his homework. Anybody else notice how he's standing in that scene? Look where his hands are. Look familiar? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif







*cough*MarlonBrando*cough*

[Brainiac 8]

BTW, looks like Glover did his homework. Anybody else notice how he's standing in that scene? Look where his hands are. Look familiar? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif







*cough*MarlonBrando*cough*

I haven't been able to see the video yet. POO!:mad:
BTW Marlon Brando as Jor-El :up:

[Kane]

(6) Pete isn't even in smallville. besides he get's married to lana, and first becomes Vice Pres. then The President.

:confused: Ill bet you he wont marry her. Unlike the Pete in the comics, he showed no interest in her during the series...but he was interested in Chloe.

He really as no reason to live in the Smallville TV timeline, they pretty much killed the life out of that character anyways.

And Clark still considers Pete close to him, and probably feels guilty for him leaving... if Pete died at the hands of Clark, that would impact Clark greatly.

[AgentPat]

:confused: Ill bet you he wont marry her. Unlike the Pete in the comics, he showed no interest in her during the series...but he was interested in Chloe...And if you didn't know any better, you'd say the same thing about Clark, Lois and Lana. :p

The hint has already been dropped in Forsaken that Pete might eventually work for Lex, and this is when the writers KNEW Forsaken would be Jones' last episode that season, and possibly ever.

Never. Say. Never. :D

[avidreader]

BTW, looks like Glover did his homework. Anybody else notice how he's standing in that scene? Look where his hands are. Look familiar? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif
*cough*MarlonBrando*cough*

OMG you are so right. When he did that, I thought what's that all about... good spotting.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[avidreader]

This person he loves can only be 1 of 4 people.

Jonathan
Martha
Lana
Chloe

And then I thought, what if Lara's been hiding out on earth all this time, keeping an eye on him. (Obi-wan-kenobi)

Pretty out there, huh?

[AgentPat]

OMG you are so right. When he did that, I thought what's that all about... good spotting.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gifLOL! Thanks. It's kinda up there with the SPF \8/ - some things just jump out at me. ;)

[triplet]

LOL! Thanks. It's kinda up there with the SPF \8/ - some things just jump out at me. ;)

You know, I didn't pick up on that but after what you said I looked at the clip again and you're right...

It's awesome.

And John Glover looked younger somehow in the FOS... he was totally unlike Lionel too.

:up:

This episode is so going to rock!

[triplet]

oops... double post.

How'd that happen?

[Kane]

And if you didn't know any better, you'd say the same thing about Clark, Lois and Lana. :p

The hint has already been dropped in Forsaken that Pete might eventually work for Lex, and this is when the writers KNEW Forsaken would be Jones' last episode that season, and possibly ever.

Never. Say. Never. :D'

Working for Lex is one thing... marrying Lana? Theres no evidence of this. Chloe was designed as a composite character of Lana and Lois taking elements of each. She pretty much behaved like the Lana Lang from the comics and was treated like such....plus Pete had feelings for her, I wouldnt be surprised if they ended up together....but Lana? Thats just totally out of left field for Smallville.

[Kane]

And then I thought, what if Lara's been hiding out on earth all this time, keeping an eye on him. (Obi-wan-kenobi)

Pretty out there, huh?

I hope not, thats just pushing it. This precrisis Kryptonian immortality and Millar writing Jor-el like hes some kind of omnipotent, omnipowerful God gets on my nerves.

[The Incredible Hulk]

now now, theres a lot to be said for Superman before Byrne went and ruined him...

[Kane]

Byrne sucked I agree, but they havent brought back alot of that precrisis nonsense in the years after he left. I always felt it was really dated, and the way they handle Superman today makes him more 'real' to the modern generation, vulnerable..... and not some all powerful supernatural entity.

[Zorex]

holy holy crap. I can see the start of the new clip from Hidden, but then it goes black and I can only get the audio. argh! but nevertheless.....oooo my. Oh my indeed. This....is...good. WOW.

[Serene]

BTW, looks like Glover did his homework. Anybody else notice how he's standing in that scene? Look where his hands are. Look familiar? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

*cough*MarlonBrando*cough*

I'll have to look at his stance again.. I did notice that his speech patter was very reminiscent of Brando. I think you're right.. Glover did his homework. Another SV homage..

[Serene]

Edit: Double post..

argh.

[Zorex]

The vid works!
This scene was damn good :up::up:
Really good. I...This season thus far has continually impressed me.

[AgentPat]

Working for Lex is one thing... marrying Lana? Theres no evidence of this. Chloe was designed as a composite character of Lana and Lois taking elements of each. She pretty much behaved like the Lana Lang from the comics and was treated like such....plus Pete had feelings for her, I wouldnt be surprised if they ended up together....but Lana? Thats just totally out of left field for Smallville.Nuuuuu... you misunderstood me. I meant that if you didn't know anything about the Superman story - if you ONLY knew Smallville - Clark marrying Lois would be WAY out there. It would be MUCH easier to believe he marries Lana at some point in the future, assuming he marries anybody at all. The "evidence" is in EVERY episode. You even have Lois telling Clark (in Commencement) the future is all laid out for him - go to college, minor in law enforcement (LOL!), join a bowling league (well, at least she got the league part right, hee!), marry Lana in a nice church wedding and have a Clark junior.

OBVIOUSLY, that's not gonna happen. WE know what Clark's future is (basically.) But if we didn't know, we'd be blind-sided by the Lois part. I used the analogy in reference to your point about Pete marrying Lana verses Chloe. :)

[Kane]

The only problem being Pete on Smallville had close to zero interaction with Lana and barely any chemistry and interest at all. Its like saying Lex is going to marry the female Sheriff... its pretty out there.

Even in the Lois/Clark stuff, they often throw pretty obvious hints that theyll be in a relationship one day. ex: Lana (refering to Lois/Clark after Lois dissed Clark) "thats how the best relationships start" or something to that effect.

[avidreader]

I was only joking about the Lara thing Crisis, I dont think that's what gonna happen.

However, it could be Lex, in terms of his soul rather than his physical being.

[triplet]

But Crisis, Pete didn't have chemistry with anyone... Not even Chloe.

I wouldn't believe he'd marry her either, so it's not that much further out there to think he might marry Lana.

[Serene]

I think Pete is LONG gone. At most, maybe we'll get a comment from Lana about how she's going to visit Pete, in the last show after her and Clark have decided to part ways.

[triplet]

^^--- I like that idea.

But there's no way they'll be bringing Pete back just to off him. Does Clark "love" Pete?

I don't know if he does. I mean, Pete didn't love him enough to stick around despite how hard it'd gotten for him. I don't think that's love.

[Kane]

They were best friends since they were kids. I think he did. Pete did have a little chemistry with Chloe but the major difference is Pete was revealed to HAVE feelings for Chloe... the same cant be said about Lana, they showed no interest in each other, they werent even close friends....more like distant ones through Clark.

And I think Jor-el was talking about real mortal lives...not souls.

And for the last time, they wouldnt have to bring him back... He'd die offscreen; like Dr Swann, Bridgette Crosby, Lex's therapist and many others.

[triplet]

Having him die off-screen is storytelling suicide. You gotta show stuff for it to be engaging. Can you imagine how dull and uninvolving it would be if Clark had to relate Pete's death but we never see it?

:eek:

It won't happen.

The only reason Dr. Swann and Crosby died off-screen was because the actors that played them weren't available (you know, chris had died and Margot freaked out)...

Dr. Whatshername died off-screen in Asylum because seeing her death wouldn't have added to the story and it saved them from having to blow up another car...

[Kane]

Sam Jones III isnt available either. But I'd rather they kill Pete....than try to kill Martha and suddenly cure her last minute. Its not suspenseful at all since we know shell survive.

[Zorex]

I ripped the audio from that new clip from Hidden.

http://s58.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PX50OB9RH7W408GWUCMRLDUNV

I'll probably rip the audio from the actual ep {and likely longer scene aired} when I get my hands on a digital copy.

[triplet]

Sam Jones III isnt available either. But I'd rather they kill Pete....than try to kill Martha and suddenly cure her last minute. Its not suspenseful at all since we know shell survive.

It's not going to happen. Do you think it should happen? Or do you think it will happen?

The reason they killed Swann and Crosby off-screen was because they had to do something with Dr. Swann and Crosby. They were forced into it.

They don't HAVE to do anything with Pete.

I think it's Martha anyway and Clark will somehow save her, but what will he have to give up to do that?

That's the question.

[Zing79]

As much as it pains me to say this (because I like all the main characters) I do NOT want any cop-outs on this edict. Clark needs to learn (the hard way) to embrace who he is.

It won't be Jonathan (I'm sure) because his death will teach him a different lesson; a more important lesson (that no matter how god like he is people still die as part of life).

This lesson is entirely different, but just as important. ACCEPT who you are MF -- enough with the “I just want to be normal crap”.

[AgentPat]

As much as it pains me to say this (because I like all the main characters) I do NOT want any cop-outs on this edict.Kinda have to agree with ya Zing.

Clark needs to learn (the hard way) to embrace who he is.I'd rather he not be forced into accepting who he is - weird things happen when people are "forced" into such modes of acceptance. Rather, Clark's lesson should simply be that he is who he is, and trying to change that in order to conform to a "normal" life is NOT in his genes, so why hurt himself and others in the futile effort? (There's plenty of subtext in this idea.)

This lesson is entirely different, but just as important. ACCEPT who you are MF -- enough with the “I just want to be normal crap”.Exactly.

LMAO@"MF" Hee!

Leave it to Zing to cut to the chase.

[Zing79]

I'd rather he not be forced into accepting who he is - weird things happen when people are "forced" into such modes of acceptance. Rather, Clark's lesson should simply be that he is who he is, and trying to change that in order to conform to a "normal" life is NOT in his genes, so why hurt himself and others in the futile effort? (There's plenty of subtext in this idea.)

I don't want subservience...I want him to feel like he was hit in the gut with a kryptonite sledgehammer. He wants to be 'normal' so bad -- fine, watch what happens when you're so normal!

Think masochist on this one. The more mental pain he experiences, the happier I'll be. In my mind, he must be punished for acting like a kid. We all learned on our own that we had to grow up some time. We all had to make hard choices as we grew up, and more often then not we learned the hard way that those choices had to be made. It just happens since he's Superman, he gets to learn Super-painful lessons.

[Kane]

It's not going to happen. Do you think it should happen? Or do you think it will happen?

The reason they killed Swann and Crosby off-screen was because they had to do something with Dr. Swann and Crosby. They were forced into it.

They don't HAVE to do anything with Pete.

I think it's Martha anyway and Clark will somehow save her, but what will he have to give up to do that?

That's the question.

I said *should*

Obviously it wont happen, and whoever is supposed to die....wont die. :down

[MJZ]

That clip with Lionel was great. Very "Meet Joe Black."

[triplet]

I don't want subservience...I want him to feel like he was hit in the gut with a kryptonite sledgehammer. He wants to be 'normal' so bad -- fine, watch what happens when you're so normal!

Think masochist on this one. The more mental pain he experiences, the happier I'll be. In my mind, he must be punished for acting like a kid. We all learned on our own that we had to grow up some time. We all had to make hard choices as we grew up, and more often then not we learned the hard way that those choices had to be made. It just happens since he's Superman, he gets to learn Super-painful lessons.

Hey, join the TC club!

I think you're already a honorary member. ;) :D

He has to suffer for the journey to worth making, in my mind.

It has to be hard for him to become Superman. If it were easy, the story would be too dull to be enjoyable to watch.

[Serene]

Hey, join the TC club!

I think you're already a honorary member. ;) :D

ROFL!!

(Run, Zing! )

;)

[triplet]

LOL!

:D :up:

[Kal-El 8]

"The Life of Somone Close to You Will be Exchanged for Yours."


Jonathan & Martha aren't going to die this season.
remember John Schneider said at the 2005 Superman Celebration in Metropolis, IL.

That both him & Annette would be in all the episode in Season 5.

Here his quote.
Q: (To John) What have you heard about the rumors of Jonathan dying?
A Well I have heard those rumors, but I can tell you that it won't happen this season. I was notified three days ago that I would appear in all the episodes for season 5 and (holds up his cell) and Annette just emailed me and told me that her agent has notified her of the same for her character.

So it must be Chloe that Jor-EL is talking about. Which would make sense since Clark in "arrival" ask Jor-EL to leave the FOS to save Chloe's life.

Also Chloe's Death would have a Major impact on Lois & Clark.

For Lois , Chloe's Death would push her full on into Journialism.

For Clark, Clark would have another reason to move forward into his Destiny, also to make Chloe proud and that her death wasn't in vain.

[KikiDee]

I was only joking about the Lara thing Crisis, I dont think that's what gonna happen.

However, it could be Lex, in terms of his soul rather than his physical being.

Ack! I was thinking that too. I know it sounds pretty out there, but being that Lex was split during Onyx maybe he is the one chosen, but his two sides are battling and that's why he doesn't just keel over. Eventually one side wins out......oooo. Someone mentioned they doubted Lex because he wasn't in Clark's good graces at the moment, but just because a friend pisses you off doesn't mean you stop having feelings for them.

Hee hee, I just reread that and realize how nuts it sounds, but hey it's just fun to theorize.

[user123456789]

Jonathan & Martha aren't going to die this season.
remember John Schneider said at the 2005 Superman Celebration in Metropolis, IL.

That both him & Annette would be in all the episode in Season 5.

Here his quote.


So it must be Chloe that Jor-EL is talking about. Which would make sense since Clark in "arrival" ask Jor-EL to leave the FOS to save Chloe's life.

Also Chloe's Death would have a Major impact on Lois & Clark.

For Lois , Chloe's Death would push her full on into Journialism.

For Clark, Clark would have another reason to move forward into his Destiny, also to make Chloe proud and that her death wasn't in vain.

great points.

[Brainiac 8]

I hope it's not Chloe, or at least not this season. She is one of my favorite characters, and eye candy for me.:(

Oh well, if it is...there is always Lois.:up:

Especially pose dancer lois!:D

[avidreader]

Ack! I was thinking that too. I know it sounds pretty out there, but being that Lex was split during Onyx maybe he is the one chosen, but his two sides are battling and that's why he doesn't just keel over. Eventually one side wins out......oooo. Someone mentioned they doubted Lex because he wasn't in Clark's good graces at the moment, but just because a friend pisses you off doesn't mean you stop having feelings for them.

Hee hee, I just reread that and realize how nuts it sounds, but hey it's just fun to theorize.

It is isnt it.

This person that dies tho, doesnt necessarily have to die tonight, it could be some time in the future.

I mean it could be Chloe that's gonna go tonight, she is being held by Gabriel but Clark just may be able to change the way things are meant to be.

[Zorex]

I really really hope it isn't Chloe...she's been one of my favourite things about the show since season 1.

[triplet]

I don't want it to be Chloe either...

I like the Scooby Gang adventure type stories that they used to do together, and did so well in Mortal.... I would miss that terribly.

[Brainiac 8]

I don't want it to be Chloe either...

I like the Scooby Gang adventure type stories that they used to do together, and did so well in Mortal.... I would miss that terribly.

We at least know that Chloe is in it too a point. The producers said that her and Lana were going to be dorm mates in college and Chloe is going to have a job at the Daily Planet.

I think Clark is going to save whoever it is. It would show Clark that even with powers, his destiny is not set, and Jor-El doesn't call all the shots that happen in his life. Clark can change and choose his own destiny.

[avidreader]

I really really hope it isn't Chloe...she's been one of my favourite things about the show since season 1.

My thinking was that it is Chloe to whom Jor-el is referring, but Clark saves her and thus changes destiny. Which then makes Clark even more powerful than Jor-el evisioned.

[BaK]

It won't be Jonathan (I'm sure) because his death will teach him a different lesson; a more important lesson (that no matter how god like he is people still die as part of life).
Actually people did die.. Kyla, Alicia, just to name a few..
This lesson is entirely different, but just as important. ACCEPT who you are MF -- enough with the “I just want to be normal crap”.
And - wanting to be normal ain't crap..
It's what everybody wants..
Even supes..
:)

[amazingfantasy15]

Damn, this thread is 8 pages long and the episode hasn't even started yet

[Assassin]

wow, i dont even wanna watch this ep. i thought aqua was coming on tonight

[triplet]

Watch it, Assassin!

Gough said it's probably one of the best episodes of the series and Clark gets his powers back in a "spectacular fashion"....

[Serene]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/banana.gif AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Serene23/banana.gif

Sorry, I'm just getting really excited for tonights episode. :O

[Mike_D]

I'd like to see how hes gonna explain his resurrection to lana...i really do.

And none of that "the doctors made a mistake" bull crap either WB!!

[storyteller]

Its official clark has been sticking it to lana,



In his parents house no doubt.



Clark is no longer a virgin.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

LOL Jonathen got ticked

Chloe saved Clarks a$$ lol

[Mike_D]

Who the hell would have 15 missle silos in one county??

LOL, youd think Martha would be the one mad and Johanthon be like "way to go boy".

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Who the hell would have 15 missle silos in one county??

LOL, youd think Martha would be the one mad and Johanthon be like "way to go boy".

2 Words

Lex Luthor

I bet hes part of this

[Binker]

"z"?

Zod!!!!!

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Clark got shot

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo no more Supey

JK

& that was the most STUPIDEST PLAN EVER so far in this show

Chloe should have letted Gabriel take her to the place he was in & Chloe could have easily thought of a way to contact Clark through a Cell Phone or something like that then they go in. The writers are lazy this Season. They sure seem to be forcing things.

[Triligors]

Who else, when Clark got shot went, "Now we get Superman again- yeah!"

Now his powers are back.

[AgentPat]

Excellent ep so far... 'cept for the part about S. Adams and her all-encompassing jurisdiction. Now she even works with the military. Jeeze! :rolleyes:

Clark getting shot was wicked hard to watch. :(

[Robin91939]

I bet Jonathan is just jellous that he isn't tapping Lana.

And, as far as the silos, 15 does sound like a bit much.


I love the ZOD references, and I hope Clarke pulls through, lol.

-R

[Robin91939]

If you're just joining us, Clarke Kent has been shot"

lol


-R

[NHawk19]

Well he got shot sooner than I thought he was going to

[OobeDoobBenubi]

If you're just joining us, Clarke Kent has been shot"

lol


-R


They sure made that a little too OVER dramatic eh lol

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Hmmm IT IS interesting that Lionel knows Clark is dying & WOW you guys see what he just did ? Lionel is gonna save Clark :eek:

[NHawk19]

What just happened with Lionel? Is he Jor-El or Clark? and does that mean he dies?

[AgentPat]

http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/thud3.gif

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Thank god they did not do the normal thing & wait until the end to do this. So this Episode will end like they normally do with Super Clark back & saving the day & lying to Lana.

Ah its going to be GREAT having things back to normal :up:

[Mike_D]

oooo, things are getting interesting

[NHawk19]

Still to early to see if he'll be back in the end or not for me

[Triligors]

Yeah. I thought that was weird also, I don't think the director nor writers thought- the audience will think Clark was ressurected in Lionell's body. That was weird. Clark dies, Lionell runs in super speed simutaneously. Maybe an after effect of when they last changed bodies

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Still to early to see if he'll be back in the end or not for me

I guess you haven't read spoilers

[NHawk19]

Lionel must've taken him to FOS

[NHawk19]

I guess you haven't read spoilers

I just ment the end of the ep and no I just skimmed them

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Lionel must've taken him to FOS

I can NOT wait to see Marthas & Jonathans reaction to when they hear who saved Clark :up:

God I HOPE they show that

[NHawk19]

geekgasim Lionel at FOS

btw congrats on the theory Pat

[OobeDoobBenubi]

So Lionel is now Jor El :up:

& watch Super Clark save the day :up:

[NHawk19]

damnit who dies?

[NHawk19]

was that flight?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Wow this shot with Clark & the rocket reminds me of Superman The Movie :up:

[Binker]

Who do you think will die from what Jor-El said?

[Robin91939]

You stopped it, didn't you?"
Clarke is standing there in tatered smoking clothes, what do you think?

Sacrafice the things we want the most????? Familiar?

-R

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Who do you think will die from what Jor-El said?

I am more interested in how Clark is gonna get outta this one with Lana. She is gonna be more curious then ever now. First the Tornados & now coming back from the dead

[BT18]

que the crap rock

[Mike_D]

that was a SWEET ASS JUMP!!!

[Robin91939]

I think that Pa Kent is gonna die by the end of the season.

-R

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Damn look at us we have no lives guys :p

[NHawk19]

that was a SWEET ASS JUMP!!!

They used the same effect as Kal-El Flying I think that could have been a mini flight

[Zorex]

He jumped. to catch a rocket. in a single bound.


:eek:

Except maybe for the obligatory pop-rock song at the end.............

another enjoyable, another impressive episode.

:up:

this season.....:up:

[Mike_D]

mini flight?!! it was AWESOME.

[Binker]

Actually, I heard that WAS gonna happen.

I was thinking maybe Lana because of that witch thing. Or maybe Chloe.

[Colossal Spoons]

Who do you think will die from what Jor-El said?

Jonathan Kent, duh.

[BT18]

still no phuckin Marsters

[Triligors]

Yeah. The second the missile took off, I was like f.uck yeah!!! Because I knew that means we would get a classic Superman taking "flight" to stop the missle and I wasn't dissappointed- that scene was amazing.

I liked the movieminute too, seeing it tomorrow night (the Fog) the original was great, the remake looks promising.

But, I think Jonathon may die as well. Who else might it be? Chloe? Lana?

[BT18]

Jonathan Kent, duh.

I know jack ***** about Superman comics. At what part of Clarks life did he die in them?

[NHawk19]

still no phuckin Marsters

Still the summer before college. Sure that will change soon enough

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I think for now the choices for who will die simply mean

Lana & or Chloe

& look at this Lana stole Clarks Medical File for Lex

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I am 100 % sure Lionel is LYING HIS A$$ off to Lex. So now Clarks old Enemy is now an alley.

Jor El now has what he wanted. Clark is gonna start listening to him.

[Robin91939]

Aquaman baby!

-R

[MJZ]

What else is there to say? That was the best episode I've ever seen. Truly incredible.