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Varient
10-12-2005, 03:49 PM
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Night Thrasher is a fictional character, a superhero in the Marvel Comics universe.
Night Thrasher (real name Dwayne Michael Taylor) is the founder and leader of the New Warriors, and head of the Taylor Foundation. Although he possesses no superhuman powers, he has trained himself extensively in many martial arts, and is adept at building technological devices.
Overall Night Thrasher was very similar to DC Comics' Batman, with almost exactly the same origin story (driven to fight crime after parents murdered in front of him as a child) and power set (trained human with gadgets).
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Character Biography
Dwayne Taylor has had a hard life. As a child, he saw his wealthy parents slain before his very eyes. This event drove him to hone himself into a human fighting machine in the pursuit of eventual revenge. Over time, this desire for specific revenge mutated into a general desire to punish wrongdoers.
Though he was unable to fully remember his parents' death, being unable to remember the face of their killer, he assumed that this was due to his mind trying to block the memory. What he found out only much later was that the entire circumstances of his parents' death and his own rearing by his guardian Chord and an elderly Oriental woman named Tai were not at all what he had believed.
In the meantime the driven, conflicted young man lived a dual existence of prodigal tycoon, taking up control of his father's powerful conglomerate publicly, and training himself to the utmost standard as a warrior privately. He eventually took to the streets to fight crime in NYC, but some early setbacks and the urging of his guardian Chord led him to assemble a superhero team to assist him in his private war.
Night Thrasher meticulously researched several young solo heroes, and selected a handful of them as targets for recruitment.
Almost immediately after gathering his chosen prospective teammates, the four young superheroes became involved in an emergency; the former Herald of Galactus Terrax had re-formed and was causing a good deal of destruction in downtown NYC. Arriving at the scene they found another couple of superheroes, Namorita and Speedball.
The six young heroes battled the raging villain and managed to nuetralize him via the use of ersatz (but effective) teamwork. In the aftermath, the Avengers showed up and stole the show, leaving some of the young heroes bitter about being slighted, but nevertheless the six agreed to form together into a new team, calling themselves The New Warriors.
The Warriors fought crime together fairly successfully for a respectable amount of time, but Dwayne stumbled across some alarming inconsistencies in the sham that was his life. He first discovered that his company was involved in very shady practices, and this initial inconsistency led him inevitably to unravel the lies that he had been fed since childhood. Nothing was as it seemed. In the end, a very bizarre mystically oriented conspiracy was revealed, along with new villains in the form of the Folding Circle, and Tai's true role was made clear.
During this time Dwayne became very erratic, did some questionable things, formally disbanded the Warriors (though the other members ignored him and carried on), and even went over to the other side for a while.
In the aftermath of this event, the Warriors were never quite the same. The line up changed a bit, and Dwayne was an off-again, on-again presence. He suffered further issues along the way, including losing his girlfriend (and sometime Warrior ally) Silhouette to his alleged half-brother, a strange individual known as Bandit. Dwayne was also no longer the undisputed leader of the Warriors; most of the group turned to first Namorita and then Justice for leadership.
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yep. he's in my top 3 hero list. so much untapped potential. he's the batman begins version of bruce wayne and they treat him like a 4th-stringer. i seriously want someone to save him from the New Warriors before that ship goes down.
The Question
10-12-2005, 04:00 PM
Hmm. A well respected writer/artist team could do it. I'd pick Peter David as writer.
i don't know about well-respected but i want Christopher Priest to breathe new life into the character.
I have a custom ml of him
He and the Warriors could do with some serious rework
Varient
10-12-2005, 04:24 PM
yep. he's in my top 3 hero list. so much untapped potential. he's the batman begins version of bruce wayne and they treat him like a 4th-stringer. i seriously want someone to save him from the New Warriors before that ship goes down.
I just was thinking about the fact that he and Robert Decosta are both Bruce Wayne types who run with the superhero set who get no play.
Varient
10-12-2005, 04:27 PM
yep. he's in my top 3 hero list. so much untapped potential. he's the batman begins version of bruce wayne and they treat him like a 4th-stringer. i seriously want someone to save him from the New Warriors before that ship goes down.
I just was thinking about the fact that he and Robert Decosta are both Bruce Wayne types who run with the superhero set who get no play.
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gildea
10-12-2005, 04:40 PM
yep. he's in my top 3 hero list. so much untapped potential. he's the batman begins version of bruce wayne and they treat him like a 4th-stringer. i seriously want someone to save him from the New Warriors before that ship goes down.
Thats why he's a fourth stringer.
There is practically nothing original in him.
Varient
10-12-2005, 04:45 PM
Thats why he's a fourth stringer.
There is practically nothing original in him.
SMH @ U.
gildea
10-12-2005, 04:48 PM
Dunno what that means, do i need to?
Thats why he's a fourth stringer.
There is practically nothing original in him.
at one point, there was nothing original about Nighthawk (of Defenders fame). Dwayne's the perfect character to play with/add to. he just needs a new hook. as for nothing being original about Dwayne, how much do you know about him? i'd say that being raised by the guy who helped kill your parents and encouraged you to start a vendetta against criminals all to further the ambitions of a powerful sorceress is pretty damn unique. his backstory is a direct rip off of Batman's on the surface. but it's also a complete fabrication. there's also Dwayne's natural resistence to telepathy. he just needs a creative person to show him some respect; take a chance on him.
gildea
10-12-2005, 04:59 PM
at one point, there was nothing original about Nighthawk (of Defenders fame). Dwayne's the perfect character to play with/add to. he just needs a new hook. as for nothing being original about Dwayne, how much do you know about him? i'd say that being raised by the guy who helped kill your parents and encouraged you to start a vendetta against criminals all to further the ambitions of a powerful sorceress is pretty damn unique. his backstory is a direct rip off of Batman's on the surface. but it's also a complete fabrication. there's also Dwayne's natural resistence to telepathy. he just needs a creative person to show him some respect; take a chance on him.
You misinterpret me (thought to be fair thats probably my fault).
I'm not saying that good, brilliant, great or even genre defining stories cannot be written for the character. All i'm saying is that his most defining traits are a batman rip off and thats what has probably relegated him to fourth stringer status. Practically every post mentions his on the surface similarity to batman.
So I put it to you why bother?
If the general public looks at him and says "batman rip off" (as they apprently have) why not use whomever can create those brilliant stories on a truly original character and not one that is a a grab bag from many other characters.
To restate EVERY character has untapped potential, they are only as good as their writers, what makes him merit the attention over say......(this is completely at random) ...taskmaster????
Varient
10-12-2005, 05:38 PM
Dunno what that means, do i need to?
?
SMH @ U = "Shaking my head at You"
gildea
10-12-2005, 05:52 PM
ahhhhhhh.
soz.
You misinterpret me (thought to be fair thats probably my fault).
I'm not saying that good, brilliant, great or even genre defining stories cannot be written for the character. All i'm saying is that his most defining traits are a batman rip off and thats what has probably relegated him to fourth stringer status. Practically every post mentions his on the surface similarity to batman.
So I put it to you why bother?
If the general public looks at him and says "batman rip off" (as they apprently have) why not use whomever can create those brilliant stories on a truly original character and not one that is a a grab bag from many other characters.
To restate EVERY character has untapped potential, they are only as good as their writers, what makes him merit the attention over say......(this is completely at random) ...taskmaster????
Taskmaster doesn't need the help. he's sufficiently cool as is. using Taskmaster in a different way would be pointless and risky. he is who he is. Dwayne, on the other hand, is damaged goods in need of a revamp. and it's his 'grab bag' status that makes him ripe for a new direction. his life, up until this point, has been built on a lie. he was raised to fight crime; as opposed to deciding to train himself like Bruce did. now he needs to find a new motivation for what he does. can't you see the story potential in that? :)
on another note...as a middle-class black male who used to skateboard and is into metal, NightThrasher is the kind of character who i could see myself reading about regularly.
jaydawg
10-12-2005, 06:13 PM
I always liked Night Trasher, but then again, I always had a softspot for anyone in the New Warriors (save for Justice and Rage). I have to admit though, when you think about hes just a black Batman. Which is why I suggest Dwayne McDuffie to work on it. His Milestone comics showed an incredible amount of respect to black superheroes and his run on Icon and Rocket was nothing short of brilliant. Not to mention Static. If anyone can make it work, its him.
I always liked Night Trasher, but then again, I always had a softspot for anyone in the New Warriors (save for Justice and Rage). I have to admit though, when you think about hes just a black Batman. Which is why I suggest Dwayne McDuffie to work on it. His Milestone comics showed an incredible amount of respect to black superheroes and his run on Icon and Rocket was nothing short of brilliant. Not to mention Static. If anyone can make it work, its him.
Moon Knight's just a jewish Batman. Daredevil's just a poor Bruce Wayne with radar sense. Punisher is just Batman with guns. hasn't hurt them any. i think Taylor deserves another shot. McDuffie could probably give him one.
The Question
10-12-2005, 06:20 PM
McDuffie would rock on Night Thrasher. But only if he moved him out of New York. THERE ARE TOO DAMN MANY VIGILANTES IN THE MARVEL U'S NEW YORK!!!!!
gildea
10-12-2005, 06:50 PM
Taskmaster doesn't need the help. he's sufficiently cool as is. using Taskmaster in a different way would be pointless and risky. he is who he is. Dwayne, on the other hand, is damaged goods in need of a revamp. and it's his 'grab bag' status that makes him ripe for a new direction. his life, up until this point, has been built on a lie. he was raised to fight crime; as opposed to deciding to train himself like Bruce did. now he needs to find a new motivation for what he does. can't you see the story potential in that? :)
Yes i can.
Why night thrasher though? To make him good (and this is, as always, opinion) your moving very far away from his original set up. Why not a completely new character? That way you create another character with potential and don't risk annoying thrashers current fans (which would happen even if god himself wrote it).
My point about taskmaster was a character who has potential but not with a comic book currently not so much a revamp as there are many characters out there in 'need' of a book and potential is something only a writer can give not something a character has inherently.
Yes i can.
Why night thrasher though? To make him good (and this is, as always, opinion) your moving very far away from his original set up. Why not a completely new character? That way you create another character with potential and don't risk annoying thrashers current fans (which would happen even if god himself wrote it).
he has to be moved away from his original set up because the original setup was based on a false premise. his parents weren't killed by random thugs. it was a conspiracy.
Anubis
10-12-2005, 08:44 PM
A better question is, why make new characters when there are plenty of perfectly good, un-used characters that are one revamp away from greatness. I mean, look what Bendis did with Sentry? He's more popular now than he's ever been.
yeah but, for all intents and purposes, the Sentry is a new character. but it really doesn't make sense to create a brand new character when Night Thrasher is a relatively young character who has about 3 options 1. stay in limbo 2. die or 3. be remade. if you create a new character and fail, then you have two characters in limbo as opposed to just Night Thrasher. why clutter the marvel universe when there's perfectly good 'scrap' to be made into something? :)
p.s. i wish that Ronin was really Night Thrasher.
Anubis
10-12-2005, 08:57 PM
I'm pretty sure it's Elektra.
There are a lot of characters that are just sitting around and are in desparate need of a second/third look. Thrasher is at the top of the heap, hell, all the New Warriors. Why they would waste the paper on this crap they got now I will never know. But, when this book finally gets canned, we probally wont see Thrasher again until either a hot new writer decides to "fix" him, or they kill him namelessly in some massive mega crossover.
i'm predicting the latter. Nova might be the only one to survive this and that's stretching with all of the other super strong fliers there are around.
jaydawg
10-12-2005, 09:44 PM
McDuffie would rock on Night Thrasher. But only if he moved him out of New York. THERE ARE TOO DAMN MANY VIGILANTES IN THE MARVEL U'S NEW YORK!!!!!
Well, Runaways sort of explains why.
Marcdachamp
10-12-2005, 10:01 PM
yep. he's in my top 3 hero list. so much untapped potential. he's the batman begins version of bruce wayne and they treat him like a 4th-stringer. i seriously want someone to save him from the New Warriors before that ship goes down.
Heh. Why don't you go warn people about the Titanic now? :p
Well, Runaways sort of explains why.
yeah but it doesn't explain places like Atlanta, Georgia being underrepresented.
jaydawg
10-12-2005, 10:42 PM
Well, I'll credit that to the south sucks. Seriously, what supervillain would commit crimes there?
deemar325
10-12-2005, 11:53 PM
Well, I'll credit that to the south sucks. Seriously, what supervillain would commit crimes there?
No more than the northen states, Detriot's no prize, San Fran is homo ground-zero, New York is over crowded and filthy, the New England states my god they have the most annoying accents, I could go on....the south has it's problems but so does every other state.:up:
Varient
10-13-2005, 10:00 AM
Whoa.
I just feel that Thrasher was a good idea as created,.... Marvel doesn't have a "Batman" they have around six characters who each have a part of what Batman is.
Nighthawk probably comes closest,....
Dread
10-13-2005, 10:09 AM
I'd like to see Night-Thrasher return, especially if he dropped being "angry" and all that and found a better niche for himself. Marvel has a lot of characters that are lumped under "Batman clones", including Moon Knight, but that doesn't mean they can't be relaunched with new angles.
The problem is that Night-Thrasher tends to work better alongside a team than solo, at least to me. And the problem is the recent NEW WARRIORS mini is really not the ideal way to relaunch said team. But maybe he'll show up in MTU or something. I'd trust Kirkman to have fun with him.
Varient
10-13-2005, 10:30 AM
That's the problem in my view with comics.
There are only so many "Super Powers" in a comic sense. Only so many sorts of Heroes.
In the begining,.. heroes each had on average three or four super powers apiece minimum wrapped around a concept or aspect. Amazon powered by the Gods, Hero based on speed and velocity, Techno hero, Straight out and out crimefighter with a grudge against the common criminal.
There is NOTHING new under the sun,... just new spins on old concepts.
Night Thrasher IS BATMAN YEAR ONE in the Marvel Universe. He is an oportunity to create a true Iconic hero in Marvel Style with the same mindset attributed to the Black Panther but on a purely crime-fighting mindset.
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i was hoping that he would get some serious training (physical and 'spiritual') from King T'challa. Panther turned Kasper Cole around. imagine what he could do for Night Thrasher. that said, i sort of want to see Dwayne developed as a solo________(vigilante, hero,secret agent,or political agitator). the warriors need to grow on their own before they become a team again; apparently. as messed up as it sounds, i almost want to see a friendship form between Kyle Richmond (Defenders version) and Dwayne just so that Dwayne can eventually become the new Nighthawk. you'd be surprised at how much of a difference a change of name can make. i'm not talking about killing Kyle though. he would just get a new role in the marvel universe; maybe as the bankroll for a new superhero team. as for the "new" Warriors, i think they need Vance and Angel back; just for legitimacy. i could see Vance and Dwayne being to the Warriors what Captain America and Iron Man are to the Avengers. they'd be co-leaders this time. and less goofy adventures (and art) might help as well.
my (portrayed as adults) Warriors team would be...
Justice (shaken off his insecurities from being an Avenger & back to being a charismatic leader like his Guardians of the Galaxy counterpart.)
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Nighthawk (co-leader, control freak, bankroll, and the brains [strategizing, hacking, playing their adversaries] of the team)
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Firestar (the reasonable one who keeps Vance & Dwayne working together/the team's backbone)
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Nova (their version of Wolverine/laidback professional heavy-hitter)
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Kymaera (atlantean warrior masquerading as your typical college co-ed - i see as more of a party girl than Angel)
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and
Speedball (their version of Spiderman/comic relief; not because he's a bumbling doofus but because of his snappy banter - Robbie would start using his brain more as well)
note: i would definately add Turbo if she were available
Varient
10-13-2005, 11:22 AM
I'd like to see Night-Thrasher return, especially if he dropped being "angry" and all that and found a better niche for himself. Marvel has a lot of characters that are lumped under "Batman clones", including Moon Knight, but that doesn't mean they can't be relaunched with new angles.
The problem is that Night-Thrasher tends to work better alongside a team than solo, at least to me. And the problem is the recent NEW WARRIORS mini is really not the ideal way to relaunch said team. But maybe he'll show up in MTU or something. I'd trust Kirkman to have fun with him.
I agree.
Night Thrasher Seems to work well with teams only because in my view he needs more training.
He needs to be grabbed and shown more from sumbody like Stark, Black Panther, or even, (Grumble) Captain America.
Then give him a goal or direction - Thrasher can drop off the superhero radar completly and becaome a serious issue with midrange crime levels.
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Anubis
10-13-2005, 11:24 AM
I'd like to see somebody take a stab at reinventing Rage. He's still only a kid, so he's pretty much a blank slate. He can change as a character, become more than the angry black kid stereo type he's been given over the years.
If you bring back Thrasher keep him as NT not some other hero
Rage had some pretty interesting traits that never really developed.
Theoretically he could be a powered down Capt. Marvel (The DC one) for Marvel
Anubis
10-13-2005, 11:31 AM
A very powered down Capt. Marv, but I see your point.
Dread
10-13-2005, 11:40 AM
Technically, Night-Thrasher is Rage's legal guardian; so anywhere Thrasher goes you could concievably bring Rage. Rage would need more of an overhual than Thrasher does, right down to the name. I mean, you can't escape the "massive angry black man" stereotype and have a name like "Rage". Maybe they should take a cue from some of the Capt. Marvel stuff in JSA; a teenager inside a massive adult body can bring it's share of life hassles, especially to those not in the know.
Thrasher's "tech-level" rose in the 90's to the point where he was basically a step below Iron Man and I am not sure that works for him. I almost hate to use the term "ninja", but it's hard to look at his original design and tell me that a "ninja" doesn't spring to mind. When I once was planning to redesign the New Warriors for an ULTIMATE NEW WARRIORS fan-fic, I pictured Dwayne Taylor/Night-Thrasher as not this "guy with multi-purpose armor" as what happened at times in the 90's, when he had compartments for everything, but more of a Casey Jones-level vigilante looking out for his neighborhood. The thing with Night-Thrasher, and a helluva lot of heroes for that matter, is they need to LEAVE NEW YORK. It's too crammed. GRAVITY was a series that made light of the fact that because NYC is the superhero nexus of Marvel, you could embark on a full-fledged superhero campaign, even toss a few rogues, and be utterly unrecognizable or unmemorable because there are too many fish in the pond.
I kind of see Night-Thrasher as not a Batman Lite (although, yes, he is simular to "Batman: Year One") but more as the Captain America to the New Warriors. That is, their human-level leader who relies on his own prowess and cunning to make himself distinct amung his demigod teammates, but unlike Batman can actually grow to trust them more; maybe like Nightwing, who is plenty popular. He needs to lose the skateboard, though; WAAYYYY too 90's and makes one imagine Rocket Racer.
I'd base the New Warriors in Chicago. Statistically the crime rate there is higher than in NYC right now and that is a good launching pad to have Thrasher and the team operate in other states, because I'd imagine that since there are few superhereoes that operate regularly between NYC and CA (hell, recent GAMBIT issues stated that the entire state of Louisiana is dependant on the protection of...Brother Voodoo), organized gangs of villians you "haven't seen for years" are actually having a field day organizing local mobs in areas most heroes rarely hit. Good place for Thrasher and the Warriors to continue their fight against "the threats that others don't touch."
I also think a good polar opposite for Thrasher would be Cardiac. Like the Magneto to Thrasher's more-aggressive Xavier.
Anubis
10-13-2005, 11:59 AM
Great ideas Dread. Being from the chi, I can tell you, it pisses me off that heros only seem to operate in freakin new york. f**k new york. No offense Dread, but ever scince they cleaned the place up and got rid of all the peep shows in times square, the place just hasn't been the same.) Most of the writers don't even live there, they email most of their scripts in from where ever the hell they actually live. That ole, Marvel comics is based in New York so thats what they write about arguement is outdated and lame. Time to branch out some more. Why the hell Detroit doesn't have a hero I'll never know. That place is a f**king dump in serious need of some saving.
Dread
10-13-2005, 12:13 PM
Technically didn't ROBOCOP operate in Detriot of the "near" future?
There are many writers who live in New York and it's likely just easier to research that place. But I agree, heroes should branch out and that would be a good place for the New Warriors and Thrasher to find their niche. As well as give an excuse to raid the old Handbooks looking for rogues and going, "No, they're not losers, they actually got smart, left New York, and stopped trying to take over the world in favor of organizing cities into crime districts and making illegal millions".
And that Cardiac/Thrasher thing is just a kick I've seemed to have in my head for years.
jaydawg
10-13-2005, 01:01 PM
I always did like Cardiac. Good idea Dread. I have to agree on the Iron Man issue too. Ever read the IM issue where they teamed up? It just wants to make you roll your eyes. It wasnt a bad issue, but when you think about it, Marvel already has an underappriciated Iron Man called War Machine.
Sorry, if I pissed you off about that atlanta comment deemar. I'm from California myself, so I always did get a kick out of seeing a comic based in San Fransico. The closest us west coast fans get to a big gun is Hulk always jumping around the Nevada desert.
deemar325
10-13-2005, 04:58 PM
I always did like Cardiac. Good idea Dread. I have to agree on the Iron Man issue too. Ever read the IM issue where they teamed up? It just wants to make you roll your eyes. It wasnt a bad issue, but when you think about it, Marvel already has an underappriciated Iron Man called War Machine.
Sorry, if I pissed you off about that atlanta comment deemar. I'm from California myself, so I always did get a kick out of seeing a comic based in San Fransico. The closest us west coast fans get to a big gun is Hulk always jumping around the Nevada desert.
I apologize also, I think a super team or hero based in the south and the west coast would be a good thing for Marvel.
JayDawg you just gave me an idea! :up: I think I'll make a thread on the subject.
I apologize also, I think a super team or hero based in the south and the west coast would be a good thing for Marvel.
JayDawg you just gave me an idea! :up: I think I'll make a thread on the subject.
Dont you southerners have the TExas Rangers or whatever that teams name is?
Great ideas Dread. Being from the chi, I can tell you, it pisses me off that heros only seem to operate in freakin new york. f**k new york. No offense Dread, but ever scince they cleaned the place up and got rid of all the peep shows in times square, the place just hasn't been the same.) Most of the writers don't even live there, they email most of their scripts in from where ever the hell they actually live. That ole, Marvel comics is based in New York so thats what they write about arguement is outdated and lame. Time to branch out some more. Why the hell Detroit doesn't have a hero I'll never know. That place is a f**king dump in serious need of some saving.
well part of the draw of a hero is the background scenery. New York is used because of the tall skyscrapers and heavy foot traffic. Detroit would be kind of...different looking i'd imagine. i'm still rooting for Atlanta or, heck, why not California now that the Pride is out of the way? i would pick Chicago since i'm an illinoiser but they already shut down Cabrini Green. what would be the fun in it? and i'm also sticking by my statement that Thrash is the Iron Man of the New Warriors; not Captain America.
Dont you southerners have the TExas Rangers or whatever that teams name is?
yeah, how lame is that though? the Rangers needs a serious update before they represent anyone. i understand that Red Wolf is native american but does he really have to run around with no shirt on and moccassins? get some style bro. and a really cool power was wasted on that mustached doofus; Texas Twister imo.
deemar325
10-13-2005, 05:16 PM
well part of the draw of a hero is the background scenery. New York is used because of the tall skyscrapers and heavy foot traffic. Detroit would be kind of...different looking i'd imagine. i'm still rooting for Atlanta or, heck, why not California now that the Pride is out of the way? i would pick Chicago since i'm an illinoiser but they already shut down Cabrini Green. what would be the fun in it? and i'm also sticking by my statement that Thrash is the Iron Man of the New Warriors; not Captain America.
yeah, how lame is that though? the Rangers needs a serious update before they represent anyone. i understand that Red Wolf is native american but does he really have to run around with no shirt on and moccassins? get some style bro. and a really cool power was wasted on that mustached doofus; Texas Twister imo.
well the south kinda has, GhostRider,Hulk(SouthWest) and Gambit.
but I'm not selfish enough to think Detriot needs a Superhero.
:up:
Varient
10-13-2005, 05:32 PM
I'd like to see somebody take a stab at reinventing Rage. He's still only a kid, so he's pretty much a blank slate. He can change as a character, become more than the angry black kid stereo type he's been given over the years.
Sigh.
I want rage to run into and "tag along" with the hulk for a bit,.. or maybe even cage as a fanboy.
(I know,.. I know,... too "fanboy" to want something so obvious.)
But there are not too many that can keep up with his stated powers and abilities.
From:
http://asuaf.org/~mcescher/warriors/rage.html
Elvin was a scrawny, geeky kid living with his Granny in her house in Brooklyn. But one day, on the run from a bunch of white kids who wanted to beat him up, he accidently hid in a polluted creek... just as a barrel of biohazardous waste was poured into it! Elvin was drenched in the burning, stinking chemicals, and was sick for days. But then he got better. Much better. And bigger. His muscles bulged, his hair fell out, and knives broke when they hit his skin. He would've used his new physique to get revenge upon the kids who'd tried to hurt him, but his Granny Staples showed his error, and he became a hero instead, confrontationally applying for membership in the Avengers. He got it, for a time -- until they discovered he was only 14, and so restricted him to training status. Fortunately, he'd just met the New Warriors, and when they needed extra help to deal with the Folding Circle and Night Thrasher's meglomaniacal housekeeper, they recruited him. His association with the Warriors became permanent after they convinced him to help 'borrow' a Quinjet from the Avengers, which got him kicked out by the older heroes. Elvin mellowed quite a bit through contact with his peers, and they soon became his friends; but one of the Warriors got on the bad side of a particularly nasty street gang, and the team's family members paid the price. When his Granny Staples was killed, he was put in the legal custody of Dwayne Taylor (Night Thrasher) and Andrew Chord (father to two of his fellow Warriors -- biologically to Silhouette, and surrogately to Thrasher), and went to live with them. He started at a boarding school, and though at first he didn't like it, he eventually began enjoying it, and he decided to retire his superheroic identity and just try to live a normal life.
Danny:
"Elvin is quieter, more in control of himself. Soft spoken and really intelligent. No longer prone to fits of destruction-causing anger, but sometimes he still gets ticked off. He's attending college on a Maria Stark scholarship looking to enjoy the 'best years of his life' in a normal fashion. That is until he meets his resident advisor Speedball." (2/01/02)
"Elvin has a ton of potential. Some great drama awaits him." (2/2/02)
Jeremy:
'Elvin Daryl Bradley' on the sketch - "Typo! Sorry I drew some of these sketches late, late, late at night. I just drew Chris's sketch right before I drew Elvin's. That Bradley name was just stuck in my head i guess. Holiday[sic] is still his last name." (1/31/02)
Rage Costume Color Test - "Well those colors were done by a friend of mine and aren't the exact colors being used (Rage's are more black and red). He colored it more for fun." (1/28/02)
"Rage will be the one that will surprise us all. Without him this team would...well you'll see (HOPEFULLY!)." (2/2/02)
Why Rage has no eye wear -- "Rage is strong in every way. It is very hard to puncture his skin or any other part of his body. His eyes are the same." (2/16/02)
(Here's an unused costume design for Rage.)
(Commentary on the sketches, and dangling plot threads Danny and Jeremy could potentially use...)
Elvin quit superheroics, revealed his identity to his classmates at his boarding school, and seemed at piece with himself when we saw him last. Was there more than meets the eye to his tranquility? And what will bring him back into heroics?
Is Rage still the legal ward of Andrew Chord and Dwayne Taylor (Night Thrasher)? Does he still live with them at the Ambrose Building?
When he was last heavily featured in a WARRIORS series, Rage was trying to decide whether or not to tell the 23-year-old single mother he was dating that he was only 15. The outcome of that was never revealed.
A mysterious figure was apparently surveilling Elvin at that time, which narrative captions implied was his long-lost father. Will anything ever be done with that?
Varient
10-13-2005, 05:39 PM
Technically, Night-Thrasher is Rage's legal guardian; so anywhere Thrasher goes you could concievably bring Rage. Rage would need more of an overhual than Thrasher does, right down to the name. I mean, you can't escape the "massive angry black man" stereotype and have a name like "Rage". Maybe they should take a cue from some of the Capt. Marvel stuff in JSA; a teenager inside a massive adult body can bring it's share of life hassles, especially to those not in the know.
Thrasher's "tech-level" rose in the 90's to the point where he was basically a step below Iron Man and I am not sure that works for him. I almost hate to use the term "ninja", but it's hard to look at his original design and tell me that a "ninja" doesn't spring to mind. When I once was planning to redesign the New Warriors for an ULTIMATE NEW WARRIORS fan-fic, I pictured Dwayne Taylor/Night-Thrasher as not this "guy with multi-purpose armor" as what happened at times in the 90's, when he had compartments for everything, but more of a Casey Jones-level vigilante looking out for his neighborhood. The thing with Night-Thrasher, and a helluva lot of heroes for that matter, is they need to LEAVE NEW YORK. It's too crammed. GRAVITY was a series that made light of the fact that because NYC is the superhero nexus of Marvel, you could embark on a full-fledged superhero campaign, even toss a few rogues, and be utterly unrecognizable or unmemorable because there are too many fish in the pond.
I kind of see Night-Thrasher as not a Batman Lite (although, yes, he is simular to "Batman: Year One") but more as the Captain America to the New Warriors. That is, their human-level leader who relies on his own prowess and cunning to make himself distinct amung his demigod teammates, but unlike Batman can actually grow to trust them more; maybe like Nightwing, who is plenty popular. He needs to lose the skateboard, though; WAAYYYY too 90's and makes one imagine Rocket Racer.
I'd base the New Warriors in Chicago. Statistically the crime rate there is higher than in NYC right now and that is a good launching pad to have Thrasher and the team operate in other states, because I'd imagine that since there are few superhereoes that operate regularly between NYC and CA (hell, recent GAMBIT issues stated that the entire state of Louisiana is dependant on the protection of...Brother Voodoo), organized gangs of villians you "haven't seen for years" are actually having a field day organizing local mobs in areas most heroes rarely hit. Good place for Thrasher and the Warriors to continue their fight against "the threats that others don't touch."
I also think a good polar opposite for Thrasher would be Cardiac. Like the Magneto to Thrasher's more-aggressive Xavier.
All Good,... I'm feeling you on everything you said.
Sigh.
(Too Bad you don't run Marvel.)
RockSP
10-14-2005, 10:01 AM
Never liked the name...Night Thrasher. Like the character, though.
Varient
11-17-2005, 07:02 PM
Never liked the name...Night Thrasher. Like the character, though.
I always wondered how they came up with that name.
Anubis
11-17-2005, 07:06 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Marvel/Thrash1.jpg
Brian Braddock
11-18-2005, 08:56 AM
'Thrasher' has cetainly got potential and yes, I think he's ripe for a reboot.
Not a big fan of his current costume though - always preffered the costume Bagley drew in issue #1 of New Warriors.
I also think he could do with some sort of name change is i've never been to keen on 'Night Thrasher' (I used to do plenty of 'night-thrashing' around when I turned 12 - and it had nothing to do with putting on a costume and fighting criminals, I can assure you!! Lets just say my Optimus Prime was no longer my favourite toy.)
Would love to see them go in a different direction from the tons of non-powered vigilantes out there - although I cant imagine what direction (but then again - I'm not a comic book writer!!)
Would love to see them go in a different direction from the tons of non-powered vigilantes out there - although I cant imagine what direction (but then again - I'm not a comic book writer!!)
how about using him as a professional body guard for the president or something? Or he would look like the every day average vigilante but he is really an agent of SHIELD sent to become a mole in the New York superhero community?
how about using him as a professional body guard for the president or something? Or he would look like the every day average vigilante but he is really an agent of SHIELD sent to become a mole in the New York superhero community?
i really like that one. Dwayne has all of the skills (natural and through training) necessary to be a S.H.I.E.L.D agent; plus his 'mutant' psi shield. maybe they'd be able to hook him up with a cooler costume.
he's a character who could go in many different directions if they'd just stop treating him as a poor man's batman. and, for the life of me, i'm not sure why they keep saddling him with foster children. all they really do is keep him from being mobile. and Microbe has to be one of the lamest characters to come down the pipe in recent memory.
Varient
11-18-2005, 02:32 PM
i really like that one. Dwayne has all of the skills (natural and through training) necessary to be a S.H.I.E.L.D agent; plus his 'mutant' psi shield. maybe they'd be able to hook him up with a cooler costume.
he's a character who could go in many different directions if they'd just stop treating him as a poor man's batman. and, for the life of me, i'm not sure why they keep saddling him with foster children. all they really do is keep him from being mobile. and Microbe has to be one of the lamest characters to come down the pipe in recent memory.
Microbe is so pathetic as to be lovable because I really feel for the guy,....
*sob*
RockSP
11-19-2005, 01:10 PM
i really like that one. Dwayne has all of the skills (natural and through training) necessary to be a S.H.I.E.L.D agent; plus his 'mutant' psi shield. maybe they'd be able to hook him up with a cooler costume.
What's the deal on the psi sheild? He's a mutant now? I didn't read the latest series so this is news to me...
What's the deal on the psi sheild? He's a mutant now? I didn't read the latest series so this is news to me...
it's unclear. there are definately a few web sources that list his psi screen as a mutant ability. it hasn't been stated as such in the comic and there could be a couple reasons why telepaths can't read his mind (strong will, mystical ability, etc). at any rate, Emma Frost nearly gave herself a stroke when she tried to read Taylor's mind once. hope that helps.
http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/04251--04500/04440.jpg
http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/04251--04500/04442.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/mathew/csnightthrasher.html
http://underworld.fortunecity.com/blood/201/marvel/nightthrasher.html
Tropico
11-24-2005, 12:08 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/DDude/Thrash.jpg
That's the only costume that hadn't been shown up 'til now, right?:D
I can't say I'm one for vigilante comic books, but I'd definitely like Thrash to come back (no, I don't count the current "animated" version), preferably in a New Warriors comic that did justice to the original team. In regards to his mental resistance, I see it as a side-effect of Tai messing with his mind and his own strong will. So it might be a strong will bolstered with mystical tampering.
Varient
11-24-2005, 03:25 PM
Well,.. the "animated" is better than "None"
So I can't complain.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/DDude/Thrash.jpg
That's the only costume that hadn't been shown up 'til now, right?:D
I can't say I'm one for vigilante comic books, but I'd definitely like Thrash to come back (no, I don't count the current "animated" version), preferably in a New Warriors comic that did justice to the original team. In regards to his mental resistance, I see it as a side-effect of Tai messing with his mind and his own strong will. So it might be a strong will bolstered with mystical tampering.
i like that costume for some reason. anyways, the psi-shield might be mental tampering but that weird geneticist lady said there was something weird about Dwayne's genetic structure as well. it was a subplot that was never followed up on. she made it sound like he has powers naturally that he hasn't used.
http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=56865279828%202
"(NW#64)-Psionex make short work of Eugenix while Genecide tries to flee, taking Firestar's doctor as a hostage when Firestar and Night Thrasher follow her. Meanwhile, the New Warriors, alerted by Firestar, arrive and attack Psionex, assuming their old sparring partners are the aggressors. Genecide holds Night Thrasher and Firestar at bay while she explains her actions, but Night Thrasher shoots her in the neck with his machine pistol, and a stray shot hits the doctor in the shoulder. Genecide heals her injured neck, and tells Thrash that perhaps he isn't as advanced as his DNA, which makes him uncomfortable."
RockSP
11-24-2005, 09:40 PM
Whatever happened to the scar on his face?
Black Panther
11-25-2005, 05:27 PM
wait is Thrasher getting his own title? :confused:
someone clear this up please.
Whatever happened to the scar on his face?
it's more of a decal than a scar. as for what happened to it, beats me. he's wearing a full body mask now.
RockSP
11-25-2005, 05:38 PM
it's more of a decal than a scar. as for what happened to it, beats me. he's wearing a full body mask now.
No, I mean the scar that Midnight's Fire gave to him in the early issues of the first New Warriors series. It seems to be gone in that picture...
Doogie_Howser1
12-04-2005, 06:47 PM
i wouldnt love to see unused characters in the mu be used again. as long as thrasher doesnt follow the batman formula/. i rather see the night thrasher in this years mini, then the old. i also like the costume!
Varient
12-13-2005, 10:19 AM
Of course in Pure Marvel Tradition,...
Somehow Night Thrasher has "Lost" his Millions in what appears to be an idiot deal with a media company,...
Annoyed at Marvel sticking to the stereotype leaves me almost speechless on this topic.
Phaedrus45
12-13-2005, 10:23 AM
bump
Nightwing
12-13-2005, 01:59 PM
Ive heard of Night Thrasher before,he seems to be an interesting character.
Varient
12-23-2005, 10:31 AM
Ive heard of Night Thrasher before,he seems to be an interesting character.
He was,... Until Marvel ruined him thru lack of interest ON THEIR PART.
Varient
07-20-2006, 12:41 AM
BOT
this has become a tribute thread for me,...
T'Jai
07-20-2006, 12:59 AM
I'm with you He should be brought back...
RAMORE
07-20-2006, 01:08 PM
You misinterpret me (thought to be fair thats probably my fault).
I'm not saying that good, brilliant, great or even genre defining stories cannot be written for the character. All i'm saying is that his most defining traits are a batman rip off and thats what has probably relegated him to fourth stringer status. Practically every post mentions his on the surface similarity to batman.
So I put it to you why bother?
If the general public looks at him and says "batman rip off" (as they apprently have) why not use whomever can create those brilliant stories on a truly original character and not one that is a a grab bag from many other characters.
To restate EVERY character has untapped potential, they are only as good as their writers, what makes him merit the attention over say......(this is completely at random) ...taskmaster????
it's true when was the last time we actually had new great characters hit in a big way?
RAMORE
07-20-2006, 01:10 PM
A better question is, why make new characters when there are plenty of perfectly good, un-used characters that are one revamp away from greatness. I mean, look what Bendis did with Sentry? He's more popular now than he's ever been.
this is true also now i'm conflicted:(
Varient
07-20-2006, 01:33 PM
LOL
the bottom line remains that Marvel dropped the ball with Night Thrasher.
RAMORE
07-20-2006, 01:38 PM
I rather like the shield agent thing that could work.
RAMORE
07-20-2006, 01:40 PM
Hey but this might be a moot point cause didn't thrasher die in the civil war thing?
T'Jai
07-20-2006, 02:37 PM
Yeah but it's marvel... who stays dead anymore. Xfactor 7 had the best in joke for marvel death. And if there's enough hue and cry well... look at spider girl
Varient
01-12-2007, 09:26 AM
well,.................. maybe he'll show up in Exiles,..... as a guest shot,....
Running Canada,... in a war against Lavertia,... or france.
LouFerignoDemon
01-12-2007, 09:36 AM
We'll crush him.
Because there has to be a universe where we can win. :(
Tokyo Vigilante #1
01-12-2007, 09:57 AM
I wonder is Silhouette will ever take his place? Maybe make an armor which would help her walk.
Or maybe Rage. Re-fit the armor and gadgets for him to carry. Give him more than just brawn.
Varient
01-12-2007, 10:13 AM
We'll crush him.
(smile)
We could make this a Gimmee For France,...
What do you mean Win? France has a history of Kicking A and taking Names,.. up until roughly WWI.
(smile)
We could make this a Gimmee For France,...
What do you mean Win? France has a history of Kicking A and taking Names,.. up until roughly WWI.
Because there has to be a universe where we can win. :(
(smile)
We could make this a Gimmee For France,...
What do you mean Win? France has a history of Kicking A and taking Names,.. up until roughly WWI.
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