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Steelsheen

10-19-2005, 09:22 AM

regwec

10-19-2005, 10:06 AM

Comics aren't films, are they?

The way Bond films work is by having a dire situation with impossible odds that our man manages to overcome in the last moment by cunning, cool and panache. Constantly thinking that, "well, if Bond fails, Jinx'll do it" ruins all of that. In JLA comics, it is always a matter of teamwork overcoming adverse circumstances. Wonder Woman compliments Superman in that type of story, but rarely shows up in Superman's solitary titles, for exaclty the same reason that we shouldn't have Jinx-type characters in Bond.

They are two totally opposite narrative frameworks.

Carmine Falcone

10-19-2005, 12:51 PM

I've just seen Layer Cake and I think Daniel Craig could do a spot-on delivery of ''The ***** is dead now''

:D

Everyman

10-19-2005, 01:11 PM

The girls can make or break a Bond film. Ursula Andress was probably 30% of the reason that "Doctor No" was such an enormous success, able to get the whole ball rolling. Barbara Bach injected an otherwise absent vein of glamour to "The Spy who Loved Me" (though that film also had Jaws), and Famke Janssen as Xenia Onatopp made Goldeneye for me.

Halle Berry was very poor. I think it is probably right that the franchise should eschew big name actresses, as they erode the mystique of the Bond girls, and the sense of adventure in meeting them. I am also sick of having a mandatory "female equal to Bond" in every film. It seems totally forced, and often melts down the whole narrative thrust of the movie.

I agree on everything.

Everyman

10-19-2005, 01:16 PM

Exactly. It's also the dumb version of equality - having a woman who is as good as the man at what he does. A strong female character isn't a copy of the male, she's equally strong but using female attributes. Granted, Bond movies are action and useless screaming damsels-in-distress don't really cut it anymore, but a female version of Bond doesn't cut it either. Wai Lin (Michelle Yeoh) worked because she had different skills from Bond, and they had to team up to get the job done. Jinx doesn't work because she can do everything 007 can and vice versa, so you essentially have two protagonists who can save the day. That's not only dramatically weak, it lessens Bond's character a lot.

Natalya (Izabella Scurupco) worked because she was a strong woman, a smart one, but she reacted believably to the chaos and death around her.

Jinx was written as a 007 equal, but she ended up being some stupid damsel in distress. She didn,t do much except to kill that surgeon and Miranda Frost, who wasn't exactly the most challenging adversary you can find.

I prefer my Bond girls as a pawn in the game, not the main protagonist, and certainly not equal to Bond. Am I the only one to miss the Domino and Honeychile type of Bond girls, the sort that happen to be there, and get into trouble with the badguy, without necessarily being a spy/mercenary? Natalya was a bit like that in Goldeneye: she was not a superwoman, just a skilled one who was at the wrong place at a wrong time. She worked much, much better than Jinx.

Everyman

10-19-2005, 01:19 PM

so in the same context, Wonder Woman makes the character of Superman weak? :confused: because it sure doesnt look that way in any Justice League stories, if anything they compliment each other.

The Bond movies are about Bond, not about a CIA female agent who seems worried about her manicure when she runs... You don't need a female equivalent of your hero. It is superfluous, and to some extend harmful to the story.

Kevin Roegele

10-19-2005, 01:26 PM

so in the same context, Wonder Woman makes the character of Superman weak? :confused: because it sure doesnt look that way in any Justice League stories, if anything they compliment each other.

No, because Justice League stories are built around multiple protagonists. Wonder Woman is as much the centre of the story as Superman. And Wonder Woman has different powers and abilities from Superman, plus a different character.

A better comparisson for you to have made would be Supergirl. Does putting Supergirl into a Superman story weaken Supes? Yes. As does Superboy, Superdog, Supercat, Superhorse, etc, etc, which is why DC ditched all of them in the post-crisis revamp.

You pick up a copy of JLA knowing you will see seven or so superheroes sharing the spotlight. You don't go to a Bond movie and expect to 007 in a tag-team with a new hero that EON want to spin-off into another franchise.

regwec

10-19-2005, 01:31 PM

A better comparisson for you to have made would be Supergirl. Does putting Supergirl into a Superman story weaken Supes? Yes. As does Superboy, Superdog, Supercat, Superhorse, etc, etc, which is why DC ditched all of them in the post-crisis revamp.
Bad news: the ****** is back, only now she is more powerful than Supes, and acts roughly like Paris Hilton.

We should have a poll of the best Bond girls. I can't decide between XXX and Domino.

Kevin Roegele

10-19-2005, 01:52 PM

Bad news: the ****** is back, only now she is more powerful than Supes, and acts roughly like Paris Hilton.

Yeah, I know Supergirl has been back in one form or another almost since Crisis; I like Supergirl and of course a lot of fans do, but from a purely story-telling standpoint, it's better to just have one Superman, no spin-offs, one survivor of Krypton, one character who can save the world, etc.

Hunter Rider

10-19-2005, 01:54 PM

Glad there's no female fans that bother with this thread:eek: :p

Kevin Roegele

10-19-2005, 01:56 PM

We should have a poll of the best Bond girls. I can't decide between XXX and Domino.

Good call. I'd say of the two I prefer Domino, simply because she wasn't played by Barabara Bach, who was like a beautiful deer in front of the headlamps. Does that make any sense at all?

Everyman

10-19-2005, 01:59 PM

Bad news: the ****** is back, only now she is more powerful than Supes, and acts roughly like Paris Hilton.

We should have a poll of the best Bond girls. I can't decide between XXX and Domino.

Of the two, I would say Domino, she was nearly a tragic character really, caught in a situation she didn't want to be in, in a game she couldn't understand, manipulated by Largo and to some extend by Bond.

Kevin Roegele

10-19-2005, 01:59 PM

Glad there's no female fans that bother with this thread:eek: :p

Why? We're not being sexist.

Hunter Rider

10-19-2005, 02:00 PM

Why? We're not being sexist.

Well you guys seem to prefer passive Bond girls who are pawns which im sure bore the female Audience,one of my Favourites is Melina from For Your Eyes Only she has a good mix of qualities IMO

regwec

10-19-2005, 02:13 PM

Well you guys seem to prefer passive Bond girls who are pawns which im sure bore the female Audience,one of my Favourites is Melina from For Your Eyes Only she has a good mix of qualities IMO
Nobody could accuse me of sexism. I got endless **** for creating a thread where I suggested that women should rule the world.

The fact is that a movie does not have to exactly match the politically correct social model of the day. The "gangster's moll" is a movie archetype because it reflects reality to a strong degree: brutal men tend to brutalise women. This allows Bond to enter their world like a shining knight, defeat their oppressor, and set them free. There's nothing sexist about that; it is simply more believable than 007 happening, by coincidence, to meet a tough-talking, self confident, physically perfect and equally-as-smart superwoman wherever he travels.

Kevin Roegele

10-19-2005, 02:28 PM

Well you guys seem to prefer passive Bond girls who are pawns which im sure bore the female Audience,one of my Favourites is Melina from For Your Eyes Only she has a good mix of qualities IMO

:confused: None of us said we prefer passive Bond girls.

My earlier post says, "useless screaming damsels-in-distress don't really cut it anymore."

Everyman

10-19-2005, 02:30 PM

Well you guys seem to prefer passive Bond girls who are pawns which im sure bore the female Audience,one of my Favourites is Melina from For Your Eyes Only she has a good mix of qualities IMO

DOmino was a great, tragic character, and passive, up to a certain point. She did kill Largo. Melina was not passive, but she was uenxperienced and gauche. Stepping in a game she didn't know. What I really love about Domino is that she didn't want to be in the spy game, and her emancipation at the end was all the more satisfying.

Everyman

10-19-2005, 02:39 PM

Nobody could accuse me of sexism. I got endless **** for creating a thread where I suggested that women should rule the world.

The fact is that a movie does not have to exactly match the politically correct social model of the day. The "gangster's moll" is a movie archetype because it reflects reality to a strong degree: brutal men tend to brutalise women. This allows Bond to enter their world like a shining knight, defeat their oppressor, and set them free. There's nothing sexist about that; it is simply more believable than 007 happening, by coincidence, to meet a tough-talking, self confident, physically perfect and equally-as-smart superwoman wherever he travels.

Agreed. And it is also more intelligent, and more dramatically relevant. I wouldn't have been sad had Jinx died, not only because she was annoying, but because she would have died in mission. Paris Carver, although dramatically underwritten, and played by a star (I hate when they do this), managed to give me a better impression, and I felt (a bit) when she died: she didn't ask to be involved.

Everyman

10-19-2005, 02:44 PM

:confused: None of us said we prefer passive Bond girls.

My earlier post says, "useless screaming damsels-in-distress don't really cut it anymore."

What he doesn,t udnerstand, I think, is that you can be a strong and itneresting female character and yet not a superbabe-spy or 007 in a miniskirt... Being a female spy often detracts from the character, from James Bond, and from the whole movie. It certainly didn't work in Die Another Day, and I don't think it did in Licence to Kill (I prefered Sanchez's mistress, a more interesting character IMO than the DEA agent). I think for the next movies, they should go back to basis: a modernised Bond girl, but a real Bond girl, not a miniskirt Bond, recurring villains, etc.

Hunter Rider

10-19-2005, 02:52 PM

What he doesn,t udnerstand, I think, is that you can be a strong and itneresting female character and yet not a superbabe-spy or 007 in a miniskirt... Being a female spy often detracts from the character, from James Bond, and from the whole movie. It certainly didn't work in Die Another Day, and I don't think it did in Licence to Kill (I prefered Sanchez's mistress, a more interesting character IMO than the DEA agent). I think for the next movies, they should go back to basis: a modernised Bond girl, but a real Bond girl, not a miniskirt Bond, recurring villains, etc.

I understand fine it just felt like you were opposed to the Bond girl being a kickass Spy herself

regwec

10-19-2005, 02:56 PM

I understand fine it just felt like you were opposed to the Bond girl being a kickass Spy herself
Uh, we are...Aren't we?

Everyman

10-19-2005, 03:06 PM

I understand fine it just felt like you were opposed to the Bond girl being a kickass Spy herself

I think we are, and we have good reasons to be. There is already one kick ass spy in the movie, and his name is James Bond. A female kick ass spy is superfluous.

Hunter Rider

10-19-2005, 03:08 PM

regwec

10-19-2005, 03:11 PM

http://www.jamesbondmm.co.uk/bond-girls.php I'm tired and a trifle tipsy, so I'd just bugger it up. :)

Everyman

10-19-2005, 03:14 PM

Thats fine if thats how you feel my joke earlier was just that i doubt the female viewers feel quite the same

BTW anyone setting up the hottest Bond Girl thread ?,i can't find any good pics of the older ones:(

Well, there are a lot of female Bond fans, and I know they prefer when Bond does the job, and not a chick version of him.

Retroman

10-19-2005, 06:35 PM

Click here to see a mega hi-res version of the promo shot of Craig in the tux.

http://www.outnow.ch/Media/Img/2006/JamesBond-CasinoRoyale/movie.1/01.jpg?w=1400&h=933

Double click to blow it up.

Tojo

10-20-2005, 06:37 AM

Bond girls need to be pawns, like everyman said. Jinx just made me want to physically harm her.

Bond girls need to be physically feeble(no fighting), they need to get in trouble alot so Bond can save them, they don't have to be clever and intuitive like Bond, yet still have a personality that would attract him.

And they need to be exotic(NO AMERICANS), foreign, majorly physically attractive and have big tittays.

Case closed.

Kevin Roegele

10-20-2005, 07:12 AM

Thats fine if thats how you feel my joke earlier was just that i doubt the female viewers feel quite the same

Now you see, that is sexist, to say that all women will behave the same way.

The fact is, nobody takes the Bond girls seriously anyway. We all know what they are there for.

Hunter Rider

10-20-2005, 09:00 AM

Now you see, that is sexist, to say that all women will behave the same way.

The fact is, nobody takes the Bond girls seriously anyway. We all know what they are there for.

I didn't say all women but a lot i talk to prefer a pro active non feeble female in action movies whose sole purpose isnt to look hot and get saved

regwec

10-20-2005, 09:05 AM

Hunter Rider

10-20-2005, 09:09 AM

Well I have to say that I am sick to the back teeth of hearing young men whine that Daniel Craig is not handsome enough for their tastes. Imdb is by far the worst forum on the net for this. Net Geek ( http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203330 ) is an infamous case, but there are about five other posters with usernames like "druggycraig", "uglycraig" etc who do nothing else but scream about the guy's face. The joke is that I have never heard a female call him ugly.. I think it may be jealousy, or it may be a homo-erotic adoration of Brosnan, but it sure pisses me off.

Every woman ive shown the pic of him to says that either he is ugly or very average,the fact is that Bond has always been handsome onscreen and it will take some a while to get used to this guy,hopefully the trailer will be a clincher
In truth this is no different to all the Routh hate threads when he was cast,it's just the way this place is:(

Kevin Roegele

10-20-2005, 09:54 AM

I didn't say all women but a lot i talk to prefer a pro active non feeble female in action movies whose sole purpose isnt to look hot and get saved

But you seem to think the only alternative is women who look hot and do the saving.

What we're saying is that you can have a strong female character who doesn't kick ass.

Kevin Roegele

10-20-2005, 09:55 AM

I think it may be jealousy, or it may be a homo-erotic adoration of Brosnan

Er.....speaking of which.....why do you care so much that guys are caling Craig ugly?

Hunter Rider

10-20-2005, 10:05 AM

But you seem to think the only alternative is women who look hot and do the saving.

What we're saying is that you can have a strong female character who doesn't kick ass.

I never said she had to do the saving,as i said yesterday my favourite Bond Girl is Melina as she is a mix of the traits mentioned above as opposed to a character like Tatiana or Honey that were merely fluff

regwec

10-20-2005, 10:13 AM

Er.....speaking of which.....why do you care so much that guys are caling Craig ugly?
Because I think that they are wrong, because my hypothesis is supported by the opinions I have heard voiced by living, breathing human females, and because these whiners seek to disproportionately represent their own prejudices as being synonomous with public opinion.

I make no exagurration when I say that around 60% of the threads started on the imdb/Casino Royale boards are devoted to bashing Craig's looks. It may be an issue in the final film, but even if it is, it is a minor issue, and I fail to see why so many young males get so hung up on it.

Kevin Roegele

10-20-2005, 10:22 AM

Because I think that they are wrong, because my hypothesis is supported by the opinions I have heard voiced by living, breathing human females, and because these whiners seek to disproportionately represent their own prejudices as being synonomous with public opinion.

I make no exagurration when I say that around 60% of the threads started on the imdb/Casino Royale boards are devoted to bashing Craig's looks. It may be an issue in the final film, but even if it is, it is a minor issue, and I fail to see why so many young males get so hung up on it.

You know Ian Fleming complained when Sean Connery was cast as 007? I think that's the mother of all complaints. On one hand, nobody complains about Connery as Bond, he's untouchable cinematic legend. On the other hand, Fleming invented Bond, for goodness' sake.

Imagine Ian Fleming on the internet, visiting messageboards and saying, "I invented Bond & Connery sux," and nobody would believe him.

regwec

10-20-2005, 10:26 AM

Kevin Roegele

10-20-2005, 10:29 AM

What's your point? He was the author, and he had a certain face in mind when he was writing. These people are a coalition of Brosnaphiles, trolls, the confused and the obsessively jealous. It doesn't bother me that they hold their opinions, only that they whine so indefatigably.

Come on, it clearly does bother you. That's why you've given all the anti-Craig posters negative labels, because you don't like the idea of 'normal people' calling Craig ugly. If they think he's unattractive, they must be weirdos or hardcore Brosnan fans - that's what you're saying.

regwec

10-20-2005, 10:53 AM

Kevin Roegele

10-20-2005, 11:28 AM

No, I am saying that maybe half a dozen of them are weird for posting the same thing around forty-to-sixty times a day.

Why do you keep editing your posts to say something completely different to your original comment?

Because I start typing as a reaction without thinking thru carefully what I'm going to say. Usually after I've posted and read my comment thru, I can either think of a better comment, or a better way to express my point (or lack of it).

ROBOCOP CPU001

10-20-2005, 11:51 AM

Bond composer backs craig.

http://www.totalfilm.com/movie_news/david_arnold_backs_new_007

from total film.

David Arnold backs new 007
Bond’s music man “very excited” to be working with Craig
20 Oct 2005 11:13am

After a fairly frosty reception from the tabloid press (with one paper labelling him James Bland), Daniel Craig’s appointment as 007 for James Bond’s 21st outing, Casino Royale, has not been all martinis and smiles. Fighting Craig’s corner, however, is franchise composer David Arnold, who says people need to give the Layer Cake star a chance to prove himself.

“It would be a very foolish person who made any kind of judgement from how he answered tabloid questions at a press conference,” Arnold says. “People should be very excited about what’s going to happen; it’s going to be very different.”

The Luton-born score merchant admits that Craig does face a battle for acceptance, coming into the series as he does on the back of Pierce Brosnan’s most lucrative outing yet as Bond; 2002’s Die Another Day sucked up over $400 million at the box office. Filling Pierce Brosnan’s tux is a daunting challenge for any actor.

“Everyone is bound to be nervous because Pierce Brosnan was so good,” continues Arnold. “You could see James Bond when Pierce was making [US telly series] Remington Steele. You can’t see the James Bond that Daniel is going to be in the stuff he has done before.”

Arnold, who’s been Bond’s music-maker since 1997’s Tomorrow Never Dies, says that, despite Brosnan’s success in the role, a fresh approach to the spy franchise is exactly what is needed. “We went as far we could go with what we did in Die Another Day. This is going to set out a whole new bunch of formulas and values.”

Stay tuned for more Casino Royale updates as we get them…

Everyman

10-20-2005, 01:07 PM

But you seem to think the only alternative is women who look hot and do the saving.

What we're saying is that you can have a strong female character who doesn't kick ass.

Besides, weak females can be really great characters. Pussy Galore was strong, and she was unforgettable, but Domino was very weak, and her struggle to get free from Largo made the romantic subplot of Thunderball relevant, and her character really fascinating. Jinx and Christmas Jones aren't forgettable, but you sure want to forget they ever existed.

Everyman

10-20-2005, 01:10 PM

You know Ian Fleming complained when Sean Connery was cast as 007? I think that's the mother of all complaints. On one hand, nobody complains about Connery as Bond, he's untouchable cinematic legend. On the other hand, Fleming invented Bond, for goodness' sake.

Imagine Ian Fleming on the internet, visiting messageboards and saying, "I invented Bond & Connery sux," and nobody would believe him.

Fleming changed his mind though. I think he wanted a more well known actor, and didn't consider Sean Connery as a "real" actor.

regwec

10-20-2005, 01:21 PM

Christmas Jones would have been alright, had Denise Richards not been cast as the nuclear physicist.

Everyman

10-20-2005, 02:06 PM

Christmas Jones would have been alright, had Denise Richards not been cast as the nuclear physicist.

True... She would have been fine. But she was far from complex, compared to Honeychile Rider or Pussy Galore or Domino...

Kevin Roegele

10-21-2005, 03:01 AM

Besides, weak females can be really great characters. Pussy Galore was strong, and she was unforgettable, but Domino was very weak, and her struggle to get free from Largo made the romantic subplot of Thunderball relevant, and her character really fascinating. Jinx and Christmas Jones aren't forgettable, but you sure want to forget they ever existed.

Well, weak males or females can be great characters, but the role of the Bond girl these days has become more of a partner and helper to Bond than just purely a damsel in distress (although any romantic interest inevitably reverts back to this at some point). As such, they can't be weak, but they don't have to be a carbon copy of 007 to be a strong character.

Having said that, the Bond movies are written by men, directed by men and made primarily for a male audience, and an ass-a-whuppin' Halle Berry makes good business sense, I suppose.

Furious Styles

10-21-2005, 07:50 AM

I know this may seem fanboyish, but I place a huge emphasis on the "gunbarrel" scene.

Somehow, they always seem to shed light on the film. My favourite gunbarrel scene is FYEO, Bill Conti blends a nice mix of bad a$$ guitar with the usual orchestration. It has this real sense of power, kind of like saying after Moonraker, "Bond is BACK!"

I also enjoy Timothy Dalton's gunbarrel scenes. TLD is probably the best "straight" gunbarrel scene. It has a powerful vamp-bridge motif in it that just screams Bond! Michael Kamen's LTK gunbarrel scene is probably the only variation. Some fans hate it, but once again, it sheds light on the film. It's kind of saying, this Bond you have never seen before. It's loud, staggering and yet very powerful.

Anyways, I only say this because a good "gunbarrel" scene will warm our hearts to Craig even sooner. If the gunbarrel scene is good, I will immediately warm up to Craig because in the end I'm a James Bond fan first and the gunbarrel scene defines a James Bond film.

Everyman

10-21-2005, 10:58 AM

Well, weak males or females can be great characters, but the role of the Bond girl these days has become more of a partner and helper to Bond than just purely a damsel in distress (although any romantic interest inevitably reverts back to this at some point). As such, they can't be weak, but they don't have to be a carbon copy of 007 to be a strong character.

Having said that, the Bond movies are written by men, directed by men and made primarily for a male audience, and an ass-a-whuppin' Halle Berry makes good business sense, I suppose.

I know they became more of a partner, but it reached the absurd with Jinx, who was really a competitor (they even wanted to give the character a franchise of her own at a time). Maybe they could go back to vulnerable women, not weak, but vulnerable.

And I think male audiences didn't like Jinx at all, neither the female for that matter. Male audiences identifie with Bond, they don't want a female Bond, and female audiences don't care for a female Bond: they came to see Bond himself.

JLBats

10-21-2005, 12:21 PM

I think my perfect Bond movie already came out this year: Batman Begins.

Think about it. Dark. Gritty. But with touches of lightness. Well defined characters. A larger than life, albeit fallible, main character. A guy who hands out gadgets. An interesting villain-hero dynamic. A dense plot... etc.

DACrowe

10-21-2005, 01:16 PM

Maybe his screentest he shows a charismatic and complex nuance that escapes photographs, but for a man who has shown open apathy for the character and looks so NOT the part it seems grim.

In fact just the fact that it turns out that Brosnan was up for Bond 5 (or 21 but 5 in his case) to close his run and the stupid producers cut him out because he was "too old and want a fresh new young face" for this very uncharming and not so young face is quite discouraging. In fact if it wasn't for the fact that it is being directed by Martin Campbell, the director of the second or third best Bond movie in the series (Goldeneye) and loosley based on one of Ian Fleming's classics and the original Bond novel, Casino Royale, I would be in major fear of this being a complete failure but who knows maybe it will be at least halfway decent still.

DACrowe

10-21-2005, 01:17 PM

Name 5 Bond movies that would be classified as dark and gritty and dense by the way.

JLBats

10-21-2005, 01:22 PM

Name 5 Bond movies that would be classified as dark and gritty and dense by the way.

Dr. No, From Russia With Love, OHMSS, TLD, LTK

However, I was talking about my perfect Bond movie. Based more on the novels than the current action movie archetype.

DACrowe

10-21-2005, 01:32 PM

Ah, Ian Fleming's Bond I think disappeared after From Russia With Love never to be seen in a movie theater again except for a few brief moments in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. And the only really dark and gritty ones I think you named is License to Kill and maybe the somber and sad ending of On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Dr. No while close to Flemming and less over the top (as was From Russia With Love) were still fun adventures with as much polish and fun as Goldfinger and to an excessive extent Thunderball, took the series. What with gypsy girl fights and added puns and Bond waving adios to the tape as he is making out in the gondola, etc. etc.

But yeah if you want more of the novel Bond good luck with that I saw a few glimpses of him in The Living Daylights, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies, and The World is Not Enough but not enough for me to say there is novel Bond just a few brief moments that I'm sure were more Brosnan's interpretation than the script but none of those save for Goldeneye were very good and of course Die Another Day shows the real direction the producers want to keep Bond (unfortunately) which may be why Brosnan was axed for his more somber and brooding Bond take.

JLBats

10-21-2005, 03:26 PM

I think the movies have more or less done a decent job with the Bond legacy. I'm not one of the more raving Fleming fans. I liked all of Connery's films, a few of Moore's, I like Lazenby, I liked Dalton's films, and I thought Goldeneye was right up their with Connery's films. If the only tonal shift is toward Goldeneye style, then I'll be more than happy with it.

Hunter Rider

10-21-2005, 04:32 PM

A Spoiler on another change from the book for the film (http://commanderbond.net/Public/Stories/2967-1.shtml)

JLBats

10-21-2005, 04:40 PM

A Spoiler on another change from the book for the film (http://commanderbond.net/Public/Stories/2967-1.shtml)

Makes sense.

Hunter Rider

10-21-2005, 04:40 PM

Makes sense.

Yep,if executed well i don't see a problem

DACrowe

10-21-2005, 05:57 PM

Yes I agree if the tone shift was towards Goldeneye, but the creative team needs to be better as TND and TWINE both tried to do that and TND was mediocre and boring and TWINE was a decent movie and quite good for Bond lately but nowhere near as good as Goldeneye or early Connery (Dr. No, From Russia With Love, and Goldfinger. Thunderball was okay but the last two Connery Bonds were crap) and less like oh I don't know Die Another Day which had a great premise and a great first act (Bond captured and torurtred and imprisoned by North Korea for 2 years before being traded for prisoners and lost respect and trust with his own government and has to go renegade) but after the first act it ends up with him being welcomed back way too easily and becomes likke a Roger Moore Bond movie in Iceland (which isn't neccesarily a bad thing Live and Let Die and The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only were all good Bond movies) but as it returns to North Korea it becomes ridiculous and well...crappy and ends with a fizzle (more like the rest of Moore's BAD Bond movies like A View to a Kill, Octopussy, The Man with the Golden Gun, and of course the infamous Moonraker). A rather low note for Brosnan to end his Bond movies on. And the root of the problem was the director who was way too "MTV" for Bond and Halle Berry as well as producers trying to make it hip with Halle Berry as a Bond equal when the trick was done better in The Spy Who Loved Me without Triple X talking jive (which was rather racist to have her do it just because she was black).

And then firing Brosnan who is still very bitter (and rightfully so) about the whole mess for a "young hip" Bond and then the new Bond not being nearly as young or hip or as charismatic as Brosnan....very disappointing indeed.

My only hope is with Campbell's return to the franchise and Flemming as the source again he can make another Goldeneye stand out Bond movie, but I already know it has made a serious mistake by ousting Brosnan for Craig but oh well.

Everyman

10-21-2005, 08:28 PM

Even in the first act of DAD, there were problems: the gunbarel sequence, Bond being captured for THAT long (that he didn't try to escape, or that the MI6 never bothered to get their top agent out of his jail was highly unbelievable), MI6 being really quick to put the blame on him without even considering that there might be a mole in the service (I don,t think they welcomed him back too easily, I think they lost their trust in him too quickly. Had I been Bond, I would have defected for Communist China permantently, they seemed to be pretty welcoming in the movie), and already too many sci-fi elements (DNA surgery, for example). The premisse of the first part of DAD was good (Bond being captured and tortured), but it was very badly exploited. And they had probably the worst Bond girl and the worst Bond villain ever. That's a lot for a Bond movie.

Everyman

10-21-2005, 08:31 PM

A Spoiler on another change from the book for the film (http://commanderbond.net/Public/Stories/2967-1.shtml)

If it is well developed, it might be good news. I have been advocating for that kind of changes for quite a while.

regwec

10-22-2005, 02:22 PM

And then firing Brosnan who is still very bitter (and rightfully so) about the whole mess for a "young hip" Bond and then the new Bond not being nearly as young or hip or as charismatic as Brosnan....very disappointing indeed.
This just isn't true. Eon eventually dumped Brosnan because he demanded an absurd pay check, and then indulged in a public defamation campaign against the producers when his demands were not met. He also made some homophobic comments when Rupert Everett was rumoured to be in line for the part. Considering Brosnan's selfish and childish behaviour, the studio treated him with the uppermost curtousy and restraint.

And what on earth is this about the new Bond "not being nearly as young" as Brosnan? Brosnan is 52, and looks 57, whilst Craig is 37. What is the mathematical principle for your statement that Brosnan is younger? And since when has Brosnan ever been "hip" or "charismatic"? The man is a barely moving manequin. He put in a reasonably solid performance in "Goldeneye", then went to sleep for the next three films.

Fans have actually been cheated out of a talented actor putting in a decent performance as Bond most of the time. Connery was a natural, but obviously gave little effort to his later performances; Lazenby gave it his all, but was no actor; Moore was half-hearted from the outset; Dalton was a fine actor who gave great performances, but only two; Brosnan was a mediocre actor with a pretty face, who decided that he didn't need to act to play the part. I can't promise anyone that Craig will be great or even good, but we at least now have a fine actor who likes the literature and understands the weight of responsibility. Give the guy a chance.

Furious Styles

10-22-2005, 03:02 PM

Following yesterday's edition of Variety in which columnist Peter Bart claimed Pierce Brosnan had priced himself out of the role of James Bond with demands that would net him over $40m (USD), reports have spread fast with wildly differing amounts.

When rumours of Brosnan's departure first broke back in early 2004 due to him being "too old", tabloids and Internet sites were quick to back up the hypothesis that the four-times 007 had been "fired" (even though he was not under contract) because he was the wrong side of 50.

Sources close to the production denied these stories, and MGM even leaked a denial through trade paper Variety exactly one year ago announcing Bond 21's provisional release date and that "Brosnan was still their Bond". The real story was still bubbling behind the scenes however, and the talk of pay disputes did not make any headlines. One year on, and following the Variety piece, the press are now openly reporting that Brosnan had asked for too much money - although the numbers quoted vary in accuracy.

MI6 Forums member "Insider" - who first broke the news that Bond 21 would be based on "Casino Royale" back in June 2004 (before any other website) - leaked details of Brosnan's pay demands early last year.

The negotiations reportedly stalled with only a $3m difference between the two parties. According the figures, Brosnan allegedly asked for $25m to extend his tenure as James Bond for a fifth time, after his original contract of "three films and an optional fourth" expired with "Die Another Day". $25m may seem a lot of money for the lead role, but Brosnan was reportedly paid $16.5m for his last Bond film in 2002 which broke Bond's 40 year box-office records. According to the source, negotiations broke down in February as both parties could not come to an agreement and Brosnan was not lowering his asking fee.

A month later, and following a slew of "too old for Bond" bad press which caused Brosnan to change publicists, he reportedly lowered his asking price to $20m plus 10% of box-office profits. The source's report in March said that MGM were willing to go to $17m with the 10% deal, but the discrepancy of $3m stalled talks. At that point, Brosnan said "the phone calls stopped" and "paralysis" had set in with producers as he went public on the issue.

Taking "The World Is Not Enough" (1999) as an example, the film had a box-office gross of $352m. After deducting the costs for distribution of the film, the earnings of the theatre owners, the earnings of the distributors, the cost of the film's production and marketing budget, estimates of the film's profits total around $22m. For a 10% of box-office profits deal, this would net the actor an addition $2.2m on top of the usual fee. DVD profits would also generate further income, especially if actors unions have their way with movie studios and secure a bigger slice of DVD revenues.

Based on these figures, Variety's claim of $40m seems a little inflated. The reality of the dispute that caused Pierce Brosnan to step down from his famous role is more likely to be closer to the $3m difference of opinion.

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/bond_21_brosnan_pay.php3?t=bond21&s=bond21

So let's not act like EON was begging Pierce Brosnan to return to play James Bond in Casino Royale and he was sitting on a throne laughing as they begged on their knees and then he waved them away and laughed and sipped some champagne and EON cried for days and were distraught over the fact that Pierce would not be returning.

Money was an issue, as it always is in movies, don't paint Brosnan to be some greedy bastard, like they did with Michael Keaton and Batman Forever.

Carmine Falcone

10-22-2005, 04:42 PM

A Spoiler on another change from the book for the film (http://commanderbond.net/Public/Stories/2967-1.shtml)

I have no problems with that, sounds good actually...

theJust

10-22-2005, 06:58 PM

i dont like daniel craig. clive owen, obviously screams bond. oh well. arguing i not going to change it. casino royale should be very interesting.
id like to think craig as a more in the tradition of roger moore. oh well.

logan_weapon_x

10-22-2005, 07:40 PM

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/bond_21_brosnan_pay.php3?t=bond21&s=bond21

So let's not act like EON was begging Pierce Brosnan to return to play James Bond in Casino Royale and he was sitting on a throne laughing as they begged on their knees and then he waved them away and laughed and sipped some champagne and EON cried for days and were distraught over the fact that Pierce would not be returning.

Money was an issue, as it always is in movies, don't paint Brosnan to be some greedy bastard, like they did with Michael Keaton and Batman Forever.

It wasn't money with Keaton. I'm sure he didn't like the direction the story was taking.

Furious Styles

10-23-2005, 12:11 AM

It wasn't money with Keaton. I'm sure he didn't like the direction the story was taking.

Yea, that was my point, sorry about the confusion. Michael wasn't satisfied with the direction of Forever, so he opted out. But Schumacher and company said that Keaton demanded some ridiculous amount of money to return. It seemed like more of a campaign to slander him and give him a bad reputation among the public.

I just felt that is what happened to Pierce as well. They parted ways, for whatever reason and then the mud slinging began.

Red Mask

10-23-2005, 12:26 AM

Superman fans have Brandon Routh. Bond fans get Daniel Craig. Must be a trend.

The Phantom

10-23-2005, 12:49 AM

the gael

10-23-2005, 01:38 AM

well, so they wanted a " Dr No " type Bond. less gadget, more realistic and faithfull to fleming's book. They will also introduce a new SPECTRE ( damn Mc Clory crap, Eon can't bring back Blofeld or the SPECTRE due to him... )
That would have been awesome if they haven't miscast Bond.
With Craig, casino royale will be a failure and then, like after OHMSS, we will return to ridiculous but bankable bond like " diamonds are forever ".
This will have no end...

regwec

10-23-2005, 07:21 AM

I watch a clip and trailer of Layer Cake, and so far, Craig doesn't have any Bond-worthy traits.
Are you attempting to be humourous, or are you really that naive? In Layer Cake, Craig is playing a grubby little drug dealer. He is emphatically acting a role that is totally different to 007. You may just as well lament the fact that you can't see much of an omniscient wizard in Ian McKellen's performance as a Nazi war criminal in Apt Pupil. I really do not believe that you have thought your statement through.

regwec

10-23-2005, 07:24 AM

With Craig, casino royale will be a failure
With Craig, "Casino Royale" will be a massive commercial and critical success.

You see what I just did there? That's spurious conjecture.

Hunter Rider

10-23-2005, 08:34 AM

Are you attempting to be humourous, or are you really that naive? In Layer Cake, Craig is playing a grubby little drug dealer. He is emphatically acting a role that is totally different to 007. You may just as well lament the fact that you can't see much of an omniscient wizard in Ian McKellen's performance as a Nazi war criminal in Apt Pupil. I really do not believe that you have thought your statement through.

Funny i lost count of the pro Craig ppl that sited Layer Cake as a perfect example of him showing charisma and charm and why he was perfect for the role

Carmine Falcone

10-23-2005, 08:39 AM

I watch a clip and trailer of Layer Cake, and so far, Craig doesn't have any Bond-worthy traits. You know, if this Bond film happened to center around Jame Bond's ugly cousin, I would have no qualms about it.

Just watch the whole movie instead of judging by the trailer :rolleyes:

It is an awesome movie BTW.

regwec

10-23-2005, 09:41 AM

Funny i lost count of the pro Craig ppl that sited Layer Cake as a perfect example of him showing charisma and charm and why he was perfect for the role
I am not amongst the "pro Craig ppl", of whom you speak, and you mean "cited".

Hunter Rider

10-23-2005, 09:44 AM

I am not amongst the "pro Craig ppl", of whom you speak, and you mean "cited".

ooooooo burn:rolleyes: for someone who is not pro Craig you certainly spend a lot of time defending him and get pissed when ppl say he's ugly:o

Red Mask

10-23-2005, 09:47 AM

No Pussy Galores for all you sourpusses.

regwec

10-23-2005, 09:53 AM

ooooooo burn:rolleyes: for someone who is not pro Craig you certainly spend a lot of time defending him and get pissed when ppl say he's ugly:o
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o :o :o

There. By your own standards of debate, I win.

Not that you would be aware of such a subtle shift of syntax, unless it was accompanied by numerous "smilies", I was making it clear that, though "pro-Craig" in the loosest sense (I voted as undecided on my own poll), I was not amongst those that cited Craig's performance in "Layer Cake" as directly translatable to 007.

Hunter Rider

10-23-2005, 09:54 AM

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o :o :o

There. By your own standards of debate, I win.

Not that you would be aware of such a subtle shift of syntax, unless it was accompanied by numerous "smilies", I was making it clear that, though "pro-Craig" in the loosest sense (I voted as undecided on my own poll), I was not amongst those that cited Craig's performance in "Layer Cake" as directly translatable to 007.

Oh your soooooo clever........jerk

regwec

10-23-2005, 09:59 AM

Oh your soooooo clever........jerk
Yes, well you're a difficult adversary to match, with your army of smilies, your sloppy grammar, your brainless name-calling and your half-baked comprehension.

Hunter Rider

10-23-2005, 10:01 AM

Yes, well you're a difficult adversary to match, with your army of smilies, your sloppy grammar, your brainless name-calling and your half-baked comprehension.

LOL i love message board wannabe elitists:D

Now back on topic,anyone planning to see Legend of Zorro to check where Martin Campbell is at styleistically these days ?

regwec

10-23-2005, 10:11 AM

LOL i love message board wannabe elitists:D
I love posters that exist in a vacuum of thought or perception, and try to bludgeon others with their obtuse "arguments" through the simple weight of verbose illiteracy.

The legend of Zorro is a film that will be quite deliberately tongue-in-cheek, and will therefore elicit an approach from Campbell quite different to Casino Royale. Not that you will notice the difference.

Hunter Rider

10-23-2005, 10:13 AM

I love posters that exist in a vacuum of thought or perception, and try to bludgeon others with their obtuse "arguments" through the simple weight of verbose illiteracy.

The legend of Zorro is a film that will be quite deliberately tongue-in-cheek, and will therefore elicit an approach from Campbell quite different to Casino Royale. Not that you will notice the difference.

Oh Omnipotent Regwec,you pierce me with your rapier Whit,I bow before thine greatness
there you pwned me big time now can we return to topic ?

A directors style no matter the tone of the movie usually manifests itself onscreeen

regwec

10-23-2005, 10:19 AM

Mmm, I over-reacted anyway.

ROBOCOP CPU001

10-23-2005, 10:21 AM

Oh Omnipotent Regwec,you pierce me with your rapier Whit,I bow before thine greatness
there you pwned me big time now can we return to topic ?

A directors style no matter the tone of the movie usually manifests itself onscreeen

lets hope that he has his right tone for this one...according to the critics on his last movie Zorro...he may have lost the plot..lets hope he pulls it out the bag this time.

I just hope that the change to Bond works...when they have tried to make bond serious in the past it hasn't worked.

ROBOCOP CPU001

10-23-2005, 10:21 AM

Mmm, I over-reacted anyway.

you?...nevah.

:D

Hunter Rider

10-23-2005, 10:24 AM

Mmm, I over-reacted anyway.

*offers handshake* no harm done,your an amateur bastard and im a sarcastic bastard at times

The Phantom

10-23-2005, 10:27 AM

Are you attempting to be humourous, or are you really that naive? In Layer Cake, Craig is playing a grubby little drug dealer. He is emphatically acting a role that is totally different to 007. You may just as well lament the fact that you can't see much of an omniscient wizard in Ian McKellen's performance as a Nazi war criminal in Apt Pupil. I really do not believe that you have thought your statement through.

Still, he should subconsciously offer some kind of sign that immediately says "James Bond". But of all the candidates that were being suggested for the role, Craig is the best one, but that's not saying much at all. But don't worry, I'm also leaving the possibility that he will surprise me, much like Ian Mckellan did as Gandalf.;)

green

10-23-2005, 10:30 AM

A directors style no matter the tone of the movie usually manifests itself onscreeen

Hmm, I wonder what other movie this statement could be associated with... ;)

Hunter Rider

10-23-2005, 10:31 AM

Hmm, I wonder what other movie this statement could be associated with... ;)

:D http://www.superherohype.com/forums/image.php?u=25036&dateline=1124481628 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/member.php?u=25036)

green

10-23-2005, 10:32 AM

:D http://www.superherohype.com/forums/image.php?u=25036&dateline=1124481628 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/member.php?u=25036)

:up:

regwec

10-23-2005, 03:02 PM

Chris Nolan says he would "love to" direct a Bond movie.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/features/?id=1921&pagenum=2&p=.htm

How cool would that be?

Everyman

10-23-2005, 03:02 PM

Still, he should subconsciously offer some kind of sign that immediately says "James Bond". But of all the candidates that were being suggested for the role, Craig is the best one, but that's not saying much at all. But don't worry, I'm also leaving the possibility that he will surprise me, much like Ian Mckellan did as Gandalf.;)

But McKellen wasn't an unexpected candidate for the role of Gandalf, neither was his performance "a surprise", people knew he would be good in the role. He had the acting ability to play the role, he ahd the right charisma and he was going to take the role seriously. McKellen screamed Gandalf, something Craig doesn't for Bond, in spite of his acting skills. I am not saying he can't play the role, but it is normal some people are skeptical.

Hunter Rider

10-26-2005, 06:26 AM

logansoldcigar

10-26-2005, 06:58 AM

http://comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=11698

Martian Campbell Reveals 007 Details

Source: USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-10-25-bond_x.htm)
October 26, 2005

http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/campbell007talk.jpg
The Legend of Zorro (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=4864) director Martin Campbell revealed more details about his upcoming James Bond (http://comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=11698#) film, Casino Royale (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=7303), to USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-10-25-bond_x.htm).

The film will be based on Ian Fleming's first Bond novel, which was set during the Cold War (http://comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=11698#) and focused on a gambler named Le Chiffre who tries to reclaim a fortune he lost for SMERSH, the Communist secret enforcement unit.

"He has to mount a card game in order to win the money back. Bond is sent in to make sure he doesn't win," Campbell says. The 2006 version eliminates the Cold War setting.

Bond is teamed with female agent Vesper Lynd, who later helps him recover after he is brutally tortured.

"She's the one who forges him into the Bond that we all know and love," Campbell says. "He certainly falls in love with her, and it does change him forever. It's a genuinely deeper relationship. The film deals much more on a personal level with Bond."

While Q won't appear, you'll get to find out why Bond prefers one-night stands, his martini "shaken, not stirred," and why he favors the Aston Martin sports car.

The London based new paper, the evening Standard, named the actor to be playing the Le Chiffre equivalenmt in CR: Gulshan Grover, a Bollywood star.

Bollywood's leading bad boy has been cast as the villain opposite Daniel Craig in Casino Royale - the next Bond movie.

Gulshan Grover, who has played hundreds of evil characters in a career spanning three decades, will take the role of Le Chiffre in the film based on Ian Fleming's first James Bond book.

Grover, 50, said: "To be in Casino Royale would be a real honour to me and my country."

He added: "Shooting is due to begin in February in Prague and although I do already have commitments I will drop everything if necessary."

Grover, who is divorced and was recently dating former Miss World Diana Hayden, is a big fan of Bond films.

He said: "In India the character of the villain is so integral to our storytelling. I have always enjoyed playing memorable 'bad men' and what villains are more memorable than the Bond villains such as Blofeld from You Only Live Twice and Scaramanga from The Man With The Golden Gun."

He added: "I have played so many negative characters in my time that people in India are often too scared to talk to me."

Aoen productions, which owns the Bond franchise, has been trying to boost 007's popularity in the Asian market for several years.

In 1997's Tomorrow Never Dies they cast Michelle Yeoh as a Bond girl, and also reportedly considered Indian actress Aishwarya Rai for 2002's Die Another Day.

Grover will be the first Indian to star in a Bond film since tennis star Vijay Amritraj and Kabir Bedi who both acted in 1983's Octopussy. The actor, who lives in Mumbai with his son Sanjay, met Prince Charles yesterday at Clarence House.

He said: "It was great to meet the Prince, he is a man who I have much admiration for and his commitment to the Prince's Trust is excellent."

Grover has acted in several films outside India including the 2002 thriller Beeper with Harvey Keitel. His Bollywood hits include the 2003 remake of Double Indemnity, Jism (The Dark Side of Desire) and the 1995 hit Rangeela (Colours). His latest film Ek Khiladi Ek Haseena (One Player, One Temptress) is out on 18 November.

standard website (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/articles/20728712?source=Evening%20Standard)

according to IMDB, he has 243 films under his belt as an actor.

unknownuser

10-26-2005, 07:35 AM

The London based new paper, the evening Standard, named the actor to be playing the Le Chiffre equivalenmt in CR: Gulshan Grover, a Bollywood star.

standard website (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/articles/20728712?source=Evening%20Standard)

according to IMDB, he has 243 films under his belt as an actor.

Gulshan Grover is a versatile veteran, he will make a good Bond bad guy :up:

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/images/bond_21_march05_gulshan_grover.jpg

Carmine Falcone

10-26-2005, 07:42 AM

he is supposed to be French...

unknownuser

10-26-2005, 07:54 AM

I think he can pull off french, look wise at least.

Carmine Falcone

10-26-2005, 08:48 AM

He does look evil on that picture...

Kevin Roegele

10-26-2005, 09:19 AM

Who cares about faithfulness to the source? Let's appeal to the untapped markets!

Let's kill off MJ, and bring in Gwen Stacy - played by someone from South Africa!

spider-jide

10-26-2005, 11:17 AM

Grover looks evil enough, heres hoping dude can act.

Carmine Falcone

10-26-2005, 11:52 AM

Grover looks evil enough,

He sure does

http://www.zeroboutique.com/grover/pics/topgr1.jpg

:eek:

;)

Furious Styles

10-26-2005, 12:49 PM

It's surreal going to all these Bond web-sites and forums and seeing how many people are calling for Craig to continue the so-called "Every Other Bond" curse. This guy is getting eaten alive in some places. Chewed up and spit out. I don't think there has ever been a situation like this before.

The transition from Connery to Lazenby and Moore to Dalton, to a lesser degree must have caused some sort of debate. From what I understand, Lazenby was not greeted with kindness and OHMSS was more or less swept under the rug and they continued on with Connery in DAF. Dalton may have had a tougher time because he wasn't Moore and he definitely wasn't Pierce Brosnan. Which isn't fair because I think he gave a spirited effort in returning to the essence of the character from Fleming's novels.

Connnery had tired of the character. Lazenby didn't really cut it. Moore had gone as far as he could. Dalton decided enough time had passed, change was for the better.
But Brosnan felt he still had more in the tank, and considering he was much beloved in the role, I think alot of people hold bewilderment and bitterness as to how everything transpired.

My post doesn't really have much of a point, other than I feel bad for Craig that he has an up-hill battle to fight, since he has already been hit hard in the media (ie. James Bland, James Blond) and that it doesn't look like fans will be softening up anytime soon, those who don't like him anyways. This is the first time I've been around or apart of the whole "new James Bond" frenzy. I was only 9 when Goldeneye came out and all I remember were people calling Brosnan the saviour and all the commercials with the tagline "same name, same number."

Hopefully for some little guy out there, Craig can give to him what Brosnan gave to me.

regwec

10-26-2005, 03:18 PM

Hopefully for some little guy out there, Craig can give to him what Brosnan gave to me.
That sounds so, so homo-erotic. ;)

I think the only difference with the ******ing this time around is that we have the glorious internet now, and the internet breeds a species of anal nitpicking that never existed before (or remained undiscovered).

WeeZiTe

10-26-2005, 04:04 PM

I don't know, I actually like that Craig was cast.. I guess I'm in the minority though. I know James Bond is supposed to be some glorious handsome man and I think this guy is pretty great for the role. I mean, they're trying to bring James Bond back to the real world and Daniel Craig seems like a very real world kind of guy. it's hard to explain, but I think I get where they're going.. So much work would've had to be done to Brosnan to make him work in this role.. Not to mention that if this is going to be James Bond's first 00 assignment, Brosnon was going to look too old no matter what. Daniel Craig just reminds me of a real world James Bond.. A smooth, suave spy that relies more on his charm then flashy gadgets and multi-million dollar action sequences.

Furious Styles

10-26-2005, 06:36 PM

That sounds so, so homo-erotic. ;)

I think the only difference with the ******ing this time around is that we have the glorious internet now, and the internet breeds a species of anal nitpicking that never existed before (or remained undiscovered).

That's the way I meant it :eek:

*Drax and Bond shooting pheasants*

Drax : You Missed, Mr. Bond!

*Sniper Falls Out Of Tree*

Bond: Did I? :up:

Kevin Roegele

10-27-2005, 05:34 AM

That's the way I meant it :eek:

*Drax and Bond shooting pheasants*

Drax : You Missed, Mr. Bond!

*Sniper Falls Out Of Tree*

Bond: Did I? :up:

Drax: Disapointed, Mr Bond?

Bond fires dart from his watch straight into Drax's chest.

Bond: Heartbroken, Mr Drax.

spider-jide

10-27-2005, 06:09 AM

That sounds so, so homo-erotic. ;)

:rolleyes: Leave the guy alone, he's having one of those special retrospective moments. :spidey:

I think the only difference with the ******ing this time around is that we have the glorious internet now, and the internet breeds a species of anal nitpicking that never existed before (or remained undiscovered).

True 'dat.

Kevin Roegele

10-27-2005, 07:40 AM

From the IMDb:

"Bond Candidates Kept in the Dark

Disappointed candidates for the role of James Bond only discovered they missed out on the chance to play the next 007 when Daniel Craig was unveiled as the new superspy. A number of actors were in the running for the coveted role right up to the end, including Colin Salmon, who has played M's chief of staff Charles Robinson in three previous films, and was a hot favorite to become the first black Bond. Salmon says, "I only knew I'd lost out on the role when it was announced Daniel had got it. Daniel is a good guy and a great actor." The actor, 43, adds he thinks his Bond career is over: "I imagine they will be assembling a new cast. I'm also not sure how well my character would translate. He's very straight and I think they need to change the whole format."

I doubt Colin Salmon was ever really a genuine candidate. Although so many potential 007's said no, Salmon and Craig were proberbaly the very last two on the list. Anyway, Salmon as 007 would just be flat-out confusing after he's played Charles Robinson. It's not like he lit up the screen as Robinson either (he is a good actor when he gets the chance).

Furious Styles

10-27-2005, 09:53 AM

MSNBC Poll
87,992 people voted in this online poll.

1. Pierce Brosnan - 27716 votes
2. Hugh Jackman - 25416 votes
3. Clive Owen - 18724 votes
4. Colin Farrell - 4564 votes
5. Dougray Scott - 3365 votes
6. Orlando Bloom - 2787 votes

And rounding out the bottom...

7. Daniel Craig - 2197 votes
8. Ioan Gruffudd - 1754 votes
9. Colin Firth - 1469 votes

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7659381/#anc_newBond_050427

Readers of the online Time magazine website have rejected the choice of Daniel Craig as James Bond.

Voters nominated Pierce Brosnan as the top choice to stay on and play 007 for a fifth time in the forthcoming movie "Casino Royale".

Of the potential candidates, English actor Clive Owen was the clear favourite. Daniel Craig, who was officially announced as teh sixth Bond two weeks ago, only managed to secure 6% of the vote.

Results in full:
32% Pierce Brosnan
30% Clive Owen
14% Hugh Jackman
6% Daniel Craig
6% Eric Bana
5% Ewan McGregor
2% Hugh Grant
2% Colin Farrell
1% Colin Firth
1% Heath Ledger

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1118903,00.html

Doesn't seem like many people like Craig

Bond: Don't count on it Zorin

*Christopher Walken laugh*

Zorin: Ha Ha, you amuse me, Mr. Bond!

Bond: It's not mutual

regwec

10-27-2005, 02:18 PM

Craig is never going to beat Brosnan in a straight vote for Bond-worthiness, because Brosnan is a very famous actor who has already played 007 for nine years, whilst Craig is almost unknown outside the UK. People are more likely to vote for someone they know over someone they don't: that explains the ridiculous choices (Orlando Bloom, Colin 'Ferret') who came quite highly.

spider-jide

10-27-2005, 02:50 PM

A black James Bond?? Being a 20 year old black guy myself, it'll never see the light of day at least not in my life time, thankfully. I can imagine it now, they'll chang his name to "Jimmy Bizzle" and they'll have a neptunes remix rendition of the original theme tune. I cant even believe such a suggestion was even conceived and that salmon was considered even if it was never a serious consideration, what a joke.

DACrowe

10-27-2005, 04:09 PM

What I don't get is how is this a big change? Well besides replacing who will define James B ond for a gneration with a not-so-good-looking actor whose resume and passion for the role are both in question?

I digress. I understand if they wanted to make him younger or hipper, but trying to bring hhim down to reality, well Brosnan has been trying to do that with every film and Goldeneye and TWINE are as close as he got. He was always wanting to explore Bond more than they allowed him because the producers are scared cowards who just want to recycle formulas, which is why I am sure Casino Royale will have a LOT more explosions than the book did (which was none). And also Craig is not hipper oro younger looking. Even though he is actually over 15 years younger than Brosnan he looks more like 5, so why the recasting?

This was just them trying to get rid of Brosnan and when they realized their top choices (Bale and rumored Bana and rumored Owen) were gone they had to settle with bottom of barrell choices.

Oh well.

echostation

10-27-2005, 04:14 PM

and here's the new villain

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/images/bond_21_march05_gulshan_grover.jpg

http://web.mid-day.com/ArticleImages/images19/gulshan-grover1.jpg

DACrowe

10-27-2005, 04:24 PM

I think he'll be good though.

patrickbateman

10-27-2005, 04:41 PM

i dont think he's the main villian but a sidekick probably a returning character like JAWS from the old movie he'd be perfect for that kinda role. i met the guy in real life by the way he does a creepy voice i can see him tormenting Bond in future flick. Please Campbell make him a recurring character in the bond flick, a kinda real life version of JAWS you could say. Of course without all the campiness of the silver teeth etc, i can see him being BOnd's equal like 006 :up: :up: :up: :up: good choice

joshgonemad

10-27-2005, 07:35 PM

WeeZiTe

10-27-2005, 08:59 PM

Oh boy, huge stars beating out Daniel Craig, a virtually unknown British actor.. How is anyone surprised.. I wish people would just give him a chance.

WeeZiTe

10-27-2005, 09:01 PM

WeeZiTe

10-27-2005, 09:04 PM

brosnan will return as james bond in bond 22, its a matter of time. casino royal is already getting trashed on the web and by media . NO ONE LIKES CRAIG AS BOND, NO ONE!!!!! this will be another connery/ lazenby moment, bond steps down, pretend bond steps in and ruins movie then real bond returns and saves the day. PIERCE BROSNAN WILL RETURN AS JAMES BOND 007
Oh my God, NO ONE has given this guy a chance... You're an idiot.. Before you call him a pretend Bond wait for something, anything.. I'll laugh when this guy ends up pwning.

patrickbateman

10-27-2005, 09:15 PM

my guess is Craig's bond will end up more like Dalton's version of bond Dalton, to this day, remains my favorite Bond, followed by Pierce Brosnan as a close second (although he could've been perfect had his films not been so action heavy and unrealistic.

i guess he's look something like this on the big screen
http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/658/658287/craig_layercake2_1129235735_1129239674.jpg

unknownuser

10-27-2005, 09:36 PM

Lazlo Panaflex

10-27-2005, 10:44 PM

Carmine Falcone

10-28-2005, 12:28 AM

NO ONE LIKES CRAIG AS BOND, NO ONE!!!!!

I do.

Caliber

10-28-2005, 01:20 AM

Funny how people wanted news and they hate the news they got.

logansoldcigar

10-28-2005, 02:22 AM

brosnan will return as james bond in bond 22, its a matter of time. casino royal is already getting trashed on the web and by media . NO ONE LIKES CRAIG AS BOND, NO ONE!!!!! this will be another connery/ lazenby moment, bond steps down, pretend bond steps in and ruins movie then real bond returns and saves the day. PIERCE BROSNAN WILL RETURN AS JAMES BOND 007

I dont like to ruin your illusions here, but theyve all been pretend Bonds. Its called ACTING

Kevin Roegele

10-28-2005, 03:33 AM

And also Craig is not hipper oro younger looking. Even though he is actually over 15 years younger than Brosnan he looks more like 5, so why the recasting?

Watch Die Another Day and you'll see Brosnan really looks like a fifty year old man trying to run and jump around. Craig is atleast in his late 30's, so they won't have to throw in so many cuts to disguise the stuntmen.

Sava

10-28-2005, 03:34 AM

Kevin Roegele

10-28-2005, 03:37 AM

I didn't know that Orlando Bloom was in the running, how could the producers even consider this wimp? he may swoon the hearts of young girls but just like Leonardo DiCapprio who's also effeminate he just doesn't strike me as James Bond.

Got it in one. The young female audience. The producers of Spider-Man realised if they pretended the story was as much a romance as an action movie ("This, like any story worth telling, is about a girl," - it really, really isn't), they could tap an demographic which usually ignores such movies.

Kevin Roegele

10-28-2005, 03:40 AM

i agree Brosnan did look a bit old in DAD :(

:up:

Should have been called GRANDAD

Sava

10-28-2005, 03:48 AM

:up:

Should have been called GRANDAD

the thing is... i'd still take Brosnan over Craig anyday :(

the gael

10-28-2005, 03:54 AM

the thing is... i'd still take Brosnan over Craig anyday :(

Me too because he still look younger than Craig :D

Sava

10-28-2005, 03:55 AM

Me too because he still look younger than Craig :D

i dont know about that but its just Brosnans' looks ... he's better looking than Craig ...

...that didnt sound gay at all :(

Kevin Roegele

10-28-2005, 04:03 AM

Me too because he still look younger than Craig :D

In photos, that's debatable. Anyway, on film is where it matters, and Craig certainly looks younger in action.

Kevin Roegele

10-28-2005, 04:04 AM

i dont know about that but its just Brosnans' looks ... he's better looking than Craig ...

...that didnt sound gay at all :(

You got away with it, I don't think anyone heard you.....;)

Sava

10-28-2005, 04:06 AM

You got away with it, I don't think anyone heard you.....;)

not alot of people post here right? :(

spider-jide

10-28-2005, 04:40 AM

Funny how people wanted news and they hate the news they got.

You just described the mood of the spidey boards.

Hunter Rider

10-28-2005, 07:14 AM

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/662/662154p1.html

Campbell's Royale Decree
New film to get personal with James Bond.
by Stax (ff_mail@ign.com)

October 27, 2005 - Director Martin Campbell (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/659/659741p1.html) spoke with USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-10-25-bond_x.htm) about his next project, the James Bond adventure Casino Royale (http://filmforce.ign.com/objects/055/055899.html). "We're going toward a much more realistic Bond, much more From Russia with Love than we've had in the past."

The filmmaker promised that Casino Royale will explore the "embryonic stuff" about Bond, such as his choice of martini, car and, of course, his treatment of women.

"(Bond) talks about how it's too boring to have a relationship," said Campbell. "You meet, and it's all exciting, then it starts to fade, and you go through the uncomfortable part of having to get rid of the girl, etc. It's a very interesting observation, given his sort of misogynistic views."

As in Ian Fleming's 1953 novel, 007's love interest in the film will be Vesper Lynd (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/658/658872p1.html), a key role that remains uncast.

"She's the one who forges him into the Bond that we all know and love," Campbell revealed. "He certainly falls in love with (Vesper), and it does change him forever. It's a genuinely deeper relationship. The film deals much more on a personal level with Bond."

In related news, The Mumbai Mirror (http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp?sectid=10&articleid=102720052224198410272005222320906) claims recent reports that Gulshan Grover (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/655/655299p1.html) had been cast as the next Bond villain are overstated. Grover is said to currently be in London lobbying for the role; an official announcement "is expected in the coming week."

Grover's publicist advised the Mirror, "At the moment there are very positive indications about him getting a part in the Bond film. He is likely to return from London on Sunday."

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Daniel Craig as James Bond.
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Finally, Contact Music (http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/bond%20candidates%20kept%20in%20the%20dark) spoke with actor Colin Salmon, who played MI6 staff member Charles Robinson in the Pierce Brosnan films. Salmon doesn't hold out hope for returning for Casino Royale (neither Q nor Miss Moneypenny will appear in the film, although M will). "I imagine they will be assembling a new cast," Salmon said. "I'm also not sure how well my character would translate. He's very straight and I think they need to change the whole format."

Casino Royale begins filming in January.

Everyman

10-28-2005, 11:37 AM

Watch Die Another Day and you'll see Brosnan really looks like a fifty year old man trying to run and jump around. Craig is atleast in his late 30's, so they won't have to throw in so many cuts to disguise the stuntmen.

WHen he got in the Huing Kong hotel, it was ridiculous: Brosnan had a bit of a pot belly. So Bond was for a year and a half tortured in a North Korean prison, but well fed.

Everyman

10-28-2005, 11:38 AM

:up:

Should have been called GRANDAD

That made a problem with the James Bond girls I think. In DAD, Bond seemed like an old perv.

Kevin Roegele

10-28-2005, 11:43 AM

WHen he got in the Huing Kong hotel, it was ridiculous: Brosnan had a bit of a pot belly. So Bond was for a year and a half tortured in a North Korean prison, but well fed.

Yeah - why have a shirt-off scene if your star looks like every other man in the audience? Bond isn't Mr Pumping Iron, but he's athletic and he's strong.

Kevin Roegele

10-28-2005, 11:45 AM

That made a problem with the James Bond girls I think. In DAD, Bond seemed like an old perv.

I know, only Roger Moore could pull that off. The fact that he could have been Stacey Sutton's father in A View to a Kill works as self-parody, intentional or not.

Caliber

10-28-2005, 11:45 AM

You just described the mood of the spidey boards.

Thats why I left there.

Everyman

10-28-2005, 11:51 AM

Yeah - why have a shirt-off scene if your star looks like every other man in the audience? Bond isn't Mr Pumping Iron, but he's athletic and he's strong.

And when you spend a year and a half in a North Korean jail (another stupid thing: 007 wouldn't have rot there for so long!), usually you don,t look like you have been well fed by your girlfriend.

Furious Styles

10-28-2005, 12:35 PM

They could have made a Bond film where the villain is a monkey in diapers, and as long as Roger Moore was in it, he could make it fly. One sly, Mooresque smirk into the camera and all would be forgiven.

I think Brosnan in a serious Bond film would work so much better than what he was given in DAD. He's tailor made for playing an older Bond in a scaled back, realistic spy story, rather than the larger than life 'the world will be destroyed' DAD.

It's been said before and that's probably the sad irony of it all, they're making the film Brosnan wanted to make, without him.

Kevin Roegele

10-28-2005, 02:03 PM

Furious Styles

10-28-2005, 03:20 PM

You know Dr No was going to be a monkey?

Forget Casino Royale!

Remake Dr No, with Roger Moore, and a monkey!!

LOL, Are you serious?!?!?

And wasn't Roger Moore one of the candidates to play Bond originally?

Maybe we were closer to actually seeing that movie than previously thought :eek:

spider-jide

10-28-2005, 05:18 PM

Kevin Roegele

10-28-2005, 06:27 PM

LOL, Are you serious?!?!?

And wasn't Roger Moore one of the candidates to play Bond originally?

Maybe we were closer to actually seeing that movie than previously thought :eek:

I know! Weird, eh?

Absolutely true, Dr No was going to be a monkey.

Everyman

10-29-2005, 12:34 AM

I know! Weird, eh?

Absolutely true, Dr No was going to be a monkey.

That would have meant Die Another Day 40 years earlier...

regwec

10-29-2005, 09:31 AM

my guess is Craig's bond will end up more like Dalton's version of bond Dalton, to this day, remains my favorite Bond
I think you're right. I also liked Dalton, and I liked Connery, too. This is strange, because they effectively played two totally different characters. hopefully Craig might give us a little of both.

The Phantom

10-29-2005, 09:33 AM

i agree Brosnan did look a bit old in DAD :(
So did Roger Moore in a plenty of his movies.

Kevin Roegele

10-29-2005, 01:10 PM

So did Roger Moore in a plenty of his movies.

Moore could get away with it, because most of the time he played the role tongue in cheek. The only exceptions are in For Your Eyes Only, in which it is acknoledged he's getting older and he's a bit more serious, and in A View to a Kill.

Steelsheen

10-29-2005, 03:20 PM

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Finally, Contact Music (http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/bond%20candidates%20kept%20in%20the%20dark) spoke with actor Colin Salmon, who played MI6 staff member Charles Robinson in the Pierce Brosnan films. Salmon doesn't hold out hope for returning for Casino Royale (neither Q nor Miss Moneypenny will appear in the film, although M will). "I imagine they will be assembling a new cast," Salmon said. "I'm also not sure how well my character would translate. He's very straight and I think they need to change the whole format."

Casino Royale begins filming in January.

hmm, i wonder which M? the character played by Judi Dench or her predecessor whatsisname?

regwec

10-29-2005, 03:22 PM

We better get a male 'M', or I will urinate in a public mail box.

ROBOCOP CPU001

10-29-2005, 03:46 PM

We better get a male 'M', or I will urinate in a public mail box.

get pissing.

Dame judi dench is coming back.

Sawyer

10-29-2005, 04:50 PM

No one can beat Connery, he was the best. Although I do have confidence in Craig.

Steelsheen

10-29-2005, 04:55 PM

get pissing.

Dame judi dench is coming back.

alright now i'm confused.

i thought Casino Royale was like a "prequel"-- hence younger Bond, no Q, no Money Penny, the whole ball of wax? hence M should be a man right? even in the Bond movies Dame Judi' character acknowledged that she's new and that she'll try her best to do as good a job as her (male) predecessor.

Kevin Roegele

10-29-2005, 05:03 PM

alright now i'm confused.

i thought Casino Royale was like a "prequel"-- hence younger Bond, no Q, no Money Penny, the whole ball of wax? hence M should be a man right? even in the Bond movies Dame Judi' character acknowledged that she's new and that she'll try her best to do as good a job as her (male) predecessor.

I doubt Judi Dench will come back, her, Pierce Brosnan and Samantha Bond (Moneypenny) were sort of team and we know the other two won't be back. Dench was very keen for Brosnan to return so now Craig has been cast, I think we'll have a new M.

Unless it's been confirmed that Dench is coming back, but I haven't read that anywhere and as you say, it would just be nonsensical.

Everyman

10-29-2005, 05:32 PM

Moore could get away with it, because most of the time he played the role tongue in cheek. The only exceptions are in For Your Eyes Only, in which it is acknoledged he's getting older and he's a bit more serious, and in A View to a Kill.

In FYEO, his age worked fine, but in A View to Kill, it simply looked ridiculous, especially the way he was getting on with the ladies.

The Joker

10-29-2005, 05:45 PM

In FYEO, his age worked fine, but in A View to Kill, it simply looked ridiculous, especially the way he was getting on with the ladies.

Exactly.

Bond and Moneypenny were ancient in A View to a Kill.It was ridiculous.

Hunter Rider

10-29-2005, 05:47 PM

Exactly.

Bond and Moneypenny were ancient in A View to a Kill.It was ridiculous.

They shouldv'e given the dodge a machine gun equiped zimmer frame in that one:(

블라스

12-02-2005, 03:43 PM

THE James Bond approves.
Nothing else matters now :up:

Sean Connery OKs New James Bond 34 minutes ago

LONDON - Sean Connery thinks a blond Bond is just fine.

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The former 007 says Daniel Craig is a "terrific choice" as the new British superspy.

Some eyebrows were raised in October when producers cast the sandy-haired, relatively unknown Craig in the next James Bond film, "Casino Royale."

But Connery, 75, told British Broadcasting Corp. television that he approved.

"Craig's a great choice, really interesting — different," Connery said in comments released Friday by the broadcaster. The full interview is due to air Monday.

"He's a good actor. It's a completely new departure," he added.

The respect is mutual. Craig told a news conference in October that Connery was his favorite 007.

Connery was the first actor to play Bond, appearing in six films beginning with "Dr. No" in 1962 and ending in 1971 with "Diamonds Are Forever."

Roger Moore, George Lazenby, Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan have also starred as the womanizing, gadget-loving spy.

Connery said he'd left the role in part "because I got really fed up with the space stuff and special effects. I just found it getting more and more influential in the movies."

"Casino Royale" is due in theaters next November.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051202/ap_en_mo/people_connery

regwec

12-02-2005, 03:49 PM

Nice.

Carmine Falcone

12-02-2005, 03:52 PM

he is right.
Connery is the man.

spider-jide

12-02-2005, 07:20 PM

Connery is by far the best bond hands down and I have high hopes for craig.

dpm07

12-02-2005, 07:27 PM

Sean Connery rules in so many ways and on so many levels. He's a real man. He's a man you can respect for the things he's done in life, and the impact he's made with his character portrayals.

spider-jide

12-03-2005, 02:26 AM

word.

spider-jide

12-03-2005, 12:23 PM

I just watched layer cake and I have to say, Craig was an awesome choice. I honestly believe he's going to nail the role as 007.

pointman

11-15-2006, 08:54 AM

So, looking back who supported Craig from the get go and who blasted him like there was no tomorrow?

Substance D

11-15-2006, 09:01 AM

At first, I really didn't know who he was. He looked kind of gross from the first pictures of him. Then i saw Munich, and he seemed perfect for Bond. Now, from what I've seen of CR, he really was the best choice for this interpretation of Bond.

kit1982

11-16-2006, 06:23 AM

Meh I'll happily admit I was wrong with my knee jerk reaction to seeing him, I'm just glad he did beef up and cut his hair because he looked a wee bit Gollum with the long hair.

regwec

11-16-2006, 07:32 AM

The long hair was definately a mistake. A simple haircut transforms Daniel Craig from someone's dad into sex-machine-assassin.

블라스

11-16-2006, 08:42 AM

LOL I just checked the first page and I always supported Craig, I rule.

regwec

11-16-2006, 09:04 AM

Craig is the best casting choice since Connery.

Although it is true that he doesn't resemble what people have come to expect from a James Bond, that is in fact what makes him so right. Roger Moore, George Lazenby, Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan have all been the fruits of MGM's attempts to find someone a bit like Sean Connery. Or at least someone with dark hair. That's about the only thing that they have in common with each other.

Daniel Craig has the potential to be to Bond what Bale has been to Batman. He fits the Bond of literature better. Craig looks like a fighter. He looks like someone who has had a career in the military before joining the secret service- as Bond should. I really hope that the producers are serious about returning Bond to his cold, sadistic roots. I hope they finally give him the 3" scar on his cheek he was always supposed to have.

Sure, I want them to keep the class and sophistication (though I would like to point out that the James Bond of the novels drinks Krug champagne as often as vulgar Vodka Martinis), and maybe I would even prefer them to stick a little die in Craig's hair. But the potential here to rejuvinate the franchise from a campy-sci fi-sex-farce and back into a gritty, character driven spy thriller is huge.

I was so right I almost feel embarassed. :cwink:

블라스

11-16-2006, 09:12 AM

I was so right I almost feel embarassed. :cwink:

Hahaha! :up: :O

pointman

11-16-2006, 09:59 AM

This movie ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just got back from seeing it.

Let me 1st say that, Craig is NOT Connery, However, Craig has easily and effortlessly established himself as the 2nd best James Bond. CR ranks the 3rd best Bond movie. Goldfinger comes first, FRWL comes second, followed by CR.

SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Do you believe in God"?

"No. I believe in a reasonable return"

What we got with CR after investing Craig into the franchise was a richly, overwhelming return.

The 2 kills were seriously brutal, trust me Craig makes Brosnan look like a girly scout. Just watch Bond's face as he's beating the crap out of the guy in the toilet and the way he drowns him. The second kill was just kept clean. The idiot tried to unload some bullets into Bond but Bond had taken the clip out prior to the guys arrival. (Again, this scene reminds me of the Bond/Dent kill in Dr.No)
Back to the bathroom scenes, the guy who Bond beat the ***** out of isn't dead and tries to reach for his gun but Bond bends down to pick up his gun, swerves around blasting him in the face( This is also the gunbarrel scene) Enter colour.

That sebastian guy, the free runner is one beast of an athlete, can somebody please put him in a spider-man costume for goodness sake! His stunts were noting short f astonishing whilst evading Bond. Craig as Bond was so briliant in the role that its easy to forget that there was a huge outcry as to why he was cast. Hell, you dont even see Craig, you see Bond.

As Bond finally catches the bomber after brilliant stunts of running, chasing evasion, bullet dodging and explosions it all comes to head when Bond is surrounded and thows down his gun and hands the bomber back to his people....only to whip out another gun from his midsection and blast the bomber in the heart and then proceeds to shoot a huge gas tank blowing the ***** out of everything (kind of reminds me of the boat scene in FRWL when Connery shoots those tanks he released into the water, blowing everything up.
Anyway, after the huge explosion Bond is nowhere to be found, he of course pulled a kaizer soze and dissapeared into the bushes.

Enter M. I love her character in this movie, she gives off this maternal vibe as she rants about bond, "celebrating his 00 license by blowing up an embassy". The way she spoke to him wasn't in a condescending manner but more like how a mother rants and disciplines her child. Her scenes with Craig were excellent and despite the tongue lashings she gave him, you could tell she was astonishingly impressed by his resorcefulness (jacking her password and info to get secure files and info amongst other things).

Then there's sologne and her husband. Solonge is fine as hell, I could tap that ass all day every damn day. Bond beats her husband in a card game and wins his aston martin db5.
Bond kills him with dimitrius' wn knife, slick and stylishly infront of amy people at some skeleton's playing cards room or whatever....I cant think properly right now, I'm still buzzing.
The airport-bomb scene was nothing short of slick, explosions and bond doing a lot of running (he does that a lot in this movie which isn't a bad thing at all) As Bond pursues this cargo bomber he hangs on for dear life as the truck turns and swerves. As Bond is hanging to the side of the truck, he notices the bomb is attached to the underbelly of the truck.
Finally Bond has a serious altercation no doubt with the bomber inside the truck and just when you think the bomber is about to jump out of the truck, Bond repeatedly pulls him back in. Finally, the bomber gets out and Bond is left to steer an out control, oil-leaking truck away from the plane. The Police aprehend Bond and the bomber watches from the sidelines. The bomber pulls out the detonator and presses the button BUt he hears the beeping sound and its too close for comfort for him, realising that the Bomb had been removed from under the truck, he finds the bomb attached to the back of his belt and looks at an apprehended Bond. Bond smiles at him and the bomber is fittingly blown into bits.

Vesper is stunning but not in a casual sexy way but more a, sexy-classical way. The pshyco analysis Bond and Vesper trade with each other regarding the sort of person they each were and their background was classic. Both gave as good as they got.
Both Bond and Vesper reach the hotel but Vesper is p1ssed at Bond because he used his real name to book in as opposed to the fake ID's they were given but Bond insists it doesn't matter. Vesper tells Bond that LeChiffre will know that Bond is reckless and proceeds into the elevator byherself, forbidding Bond to go in with her because there isn't space for her and his ego. Nice. Meanwhile Bond gets a package and proceeds to a slick, beautiful Aston Martin. Inside the glove compartment is a gun and some med-kits and whatnot. Bond goes inside the hotel and hands over to vesper a sexy dress, a tool which he wants her to wear to distract the other poker players. Vesper has left a dinner suit on Bond's bed in which he protests he already has 1 but moments later he's wearing the suit Vesper gave him and checks himself out in the mirror.

The game card game begins....Bond wants a drink and tells the barman the ingredients of what to include in his drink. Suddenly everyone else playing much to LeChiffre's frustration wants the exact same drink, lol quite a funny scene. Later Vesper shows up, kisses James and then goes over and sits with Mathis. Time for a break. LeChifre and his chic go into their room and are nabbed by the guys who LeChifre *****ed up heir money. One guy has a machette and badly want to use it and tells LeChiffre's chick to stick her arm out. Bond and Vesper hear the screaming but the goons come out before Bond can do anything and for Vesper to reach the stares to move away from the area. So, Bond and Vesper act as though they're making out against a wall and then 1 of the guys try to blast Bond in the back of the head but naturally Bond shifts out of the way thus, the stairwell fight takes place. Gritty, Brutal and Bloody are the words to describe this fight. Bond chockes the last guy to death whilst vesper had struggled to move the gun away from the chokee's hand.
Bond and Vesper sit in a shower as Bond sucks her fingers to "clean" her hands because she couldn't get the blood off. Very touching and powerful stuff.
To cut the card game short, Bond loses money after analysing LeChiffre in which he notices his eye bleeds when he's bluffing. Bond tells Vesper and Mathis but you find out later Mathis tells LeChiffre and thats how LeChiffre beat Bond. Anyway, Vesper doesn't stake Bond in again and a rather funny by scene takes place in which Bond acts a little childish by mumbling something to vesper and she's like, "What"? and Bond says, "I said you're a bloody idiot" and then storms off. Bond meets Felix Leiter and he doesn't want Bond to quit and agrees to stake him in as long as the CIA take in LeChiffre. Bond agrees But LeChiffre isn't happy. Bond gets a drink and when he sips it, he goes all weird-looking, like he's having a fit and is about to explode. Bond stumbles out of the casino, almost getting mowed over by speeding cars, makes his way into the Aston Martin and contacts MI6. He's been poisoned. Bond is about to have 1 serious heart attack and is given instructions to remedee the problem, he only has seconds to live. Bond opens up the glove compartment and taks out this blue syringe and sticks it into the vein in his neck and he has that heart-jumpstarter thing that he needs to attach and then presses he red button before he passes out. Bond epeatedly presses the red button but nothing's happening, Bond isn't going to make it. One of the wires isn't inserted into the heart-jumpstart and before Bond can do anything, he passes out......

Seconds later esper shoes up, inserts the red wire and presses the button. Bond comes to and acts as though nothing bad happened and even asks vesper if she is ok. Bond's attitude to his own life is strange, weird and quite humourous. Bond refuses to go to the hospital and gets back into the game. LeChiffre is shocked to see Bond much less Bond looking so well. Anyway Bond wins the money, LeChiffre is p1ssed and walks out. Bond and Vesper have dinner to celebrate Bond's victory, Vesper gets an alledged call from Mathis. Bond realises a little too late that its some sort of trap, Bond tries to find vesper and sees her being shoved into a car. Bond chases after the car and then dives into his beautiful Aston Martin. The AM gets *****ed as Bond swerevs away to avoid running over vesper who is tied up, lying on the road. Bond and vesper are both shoved into LeChiffre's car, Bond who was barely conscious passes out in the car.

Bond is stripped from his clothing. 1 guy cuts out the seat part from a chair. LeChifre wastes little time getting down to business. He wants the password and account number so he can get the money back that he owes. LeChiffre gets a rope and goes to town on Bond's balls. IT WAS PAINFUL!!

Bond cries out in agony, his screams are deafening. Bond then tries to wind up LeChiffre by telling him he has an itch and that if he didn't mind....LeChiffre starts whacking away. Bond bares the obvious pain, gritting his teeth and cryng out. His cries soon turn to tortourous laughter, goading LeChiffre to wack him on the other side of his balls. LeChifre is really p1ssed and knows he's getting nowhere with Bond. Bond laughs at him saying that, Lechiffre is going to die scratching Bond's balls. LeChiffre is confused as to why Bond thinks lechiffre is going to die because the present situation dictates that if anything lechiffre is not in any position to be killed. Bond explains that lechiffre wont get the money and that lechiffre's crditors will kill lechiffre. He has nowhere to hide. Lechiffre clearly knows Bond is right but fails to accept such a thing and tells Bond that he's going to cut his balls off and feed them to him. LeChiffre kicks the chair over, with Bond now on his back on the floor and then gun shots interrupt lechiffre's planned testicular surgery. A gunman walks out of where vesper and her captors were held and lechifre is scared ****less, begging him to spare his life, that he'll have the money. Lechiffre gets a bullet to the brain end of.

Bond momentarily regains consciousness, he's in a hospital, he calls out for vesper but then passes out. Bond wakes up again, he's in a wheel chair outside ina garden with Mathis. The conversation doesn't last long because 2 guys come up and use a teaser on Mathis. Vesper and Bond are happy and in love. Bond resigns from MI6. They give the code and password to some swiss guy who'll transfer the money, all is good.

Later vesper goes off to extract the money. Bond gets a call from M saying that the money hasn't reached the account. Something's not right. Bond calls up the swiss guy and the swiss guy tells him whats happening at that the money is being withdrawn as they speak by vesper. Bond races over to the bank. Vesper is nowhere to be seen. Bond finally sees her and folows her. Bond blasts some look-out goon in the side of his head but is later spotted by the guy who vesper's giving the money to. The guy takes vesper hostage and says come out or she dies and bond coldly replies, "let me" a shoot out takes ensues. What I like about Bond in this movie is that there's no "A-team" style of shooting. Bond doesn't shoot for the sake of shooting, wasting ammo and bullets, he knows what he's doing, hits his targets, he's a smart shooter. Another brutal fight/shootout takes place, Bond gets shot in the shoulder with a nail gun and then shoots the guy who was going to be given the money in his eye with the same nail gun. Vesper has betrayed Bond and cant forgive herself and allows herself to die, trapped in a sunken elevator. Bond was lied to, betrayed, heart broken, used and has now been robbed of genuine affection and emotion. He trusts nobody.

M calls Bond. Se offers him more time away from work but Bond wants to go back to work straight away. "Why do I need more time? I got the job done the ***** is dead". Bond finds out that Vesper had been comprmised. Her husband or boyfriend was being held captive and she needed to cooperate with the bad guys in order to save his life. We also find out that vesper made a deal with them to spare hers and Bond's life when they came and killed leChiffre. Vesper left Bond one last gift. Mr White. White had taken the money.

White recieves a phone call, "hello, who is this"? As he walks, you hear an ear-piercing gun shot. White gets shot in the leg. He's on the floor and is crawling to some steps. A man with nice shoes is walking up those steps and as the camera pans out you see Bond wearing a slick (the mother of all suits) suit, holding a bigass gun.

"The name's Bond......Jamess Bond"

BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enter Bond theme tune.

I could have cried with happiness after watching this movie. It was beautiful and well acted out. Daniel Craig is the best thing that happened to the Bond franchise since TSWL. Make no mistake, he's here to stay and all the naysayers can go ***** themselves. Craig takes the pain and dishes out. This is 1 bond you could put in a ring with Bauer and Bourne and know that Bond can batter the living day lights out of them. Bond throughout this movie never gives up and keeps going. He's relentless. This movie shows Bond growing and acquiring the tastes and attitude we usually see him display. He's reckless, resourceful, cool, smart and egotistical BUt he is still human. He gets upset, makes mistakes and gets told off alot by M. I'm glad that Bond recognised how M was treating him and even calls her, mum as he leaves her apartment. Go see this movie now, its easily movie of the year and you'll be pleased.
I might just go and see it again tonight, I cant wait for tomorrow to see it again.
This movie has been well worth the wait and if you call yourself a Bond fan and think this movie sucks, my opinion is that you know nothing about Bond and you can sit there and clutch onto your TWINE's and DADs.

Babs, Wilson and Craig have delivered bring on Bond 22 dammit!!!

The movie gets 9.5/10 because it should have been longer.

XwolverineX

11-16-2006, 10:06 AM

This movie will rock. I just don't get why the picked an old guy to do the story about how James became Bond.

pointman

11-16-2006, 10:14 AM

who you mean haggis??

Trust me after what wade and purvis did with the 2 stinkers that were DAD and TWINE, I'm glad Haggis was used. In fact I'm worried that he may not be used for Bond 22.

terry78

11-16-2006, 10:35 AM

This movie ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just got back from seeing it.

Let me 1st say that, Craig is NOT Connery, However, Craig has easily and effortlessly established himself as the 2nd best James Bond. CR ranks the 3rd best Bond movie. Goldfinger comes first, FRWL comes second, followed by CR.

"Do you believe in God"?

"No. I believe in a reasonable return"

What we got with CR after investing Craig into the franchise was a richly, overwhelming return.

The 2 kills were seriously brutal, trust me Craig makes Brosnan look like a girly scout. Just watch Bond's face as he's beating the crap out of the guy in the toilet and the way he drowns him. The second kill was just kept clean. The idiot tried to unload some bullets into Bond but Bond had taken the clip out prior to the guys arrival. (Again, this scene reminds me of the Bond/Dent kill in Dr.No)
Back to the bathroom scenes, the guy who Bond beat the ***** out of isn't dead and tries to reach for his gun but Bond bends down to pick up his gun, swerves around blasting him in the face( This is also the gunbarrel scene) Enter colour.

That sebastian guy, the free runner is one beast of an athlete, can somebody please put him in a spider-man costume for goodness sake! His stunts were noting short f astonishing whilst evading Bond. Craig as Bond was so briliant in the role that its easy to forget that there was a huge outcry as to why he was cast. Hell, you dont even see Craig, you see Bond.

As Bond finally catches the bomber after brilliant stunts of running, chasing evasion, bullet dodging and explosions it all comes to head when Bond is surrounded and thows down his gun and hands the bomber back to his people....only to whip out another gun from his midsection and blast the bomber in the heart and then proceeds to shoot a huge gas tank blowing the ***** out of everything (kind of reminds me of the boat scene in FRWL when Connery shoots those tanks he released into the water, blowing everything up.
Anyway, after the huge explosion Bond is nowhere to be found, he of course pulled a kaizer soze and dissapeared into the bushes.

Enter M. I love her character in this movie, she gives off this maternal vibe as she rants about bond, "celebrating his 00 license by blowing up an embassy". The way she spoke to him wasn't in a condescending manner but more like how a mother rants and disciplines her child. Her scenes with Craig were excellent and despite the tongue lashings she gave him, you could tell she was astonishingly impressed by his resorcefulness (jacking her password and info to get secure files and info amongst other things).

Then there's sologne and her husband. Solonge is fine as hell, I could tap that ass all day every damn day. Bond beats her husband in a card game and wins his aston martin db5.
Bond kills him with dimitrius' wn knife, slick and stylishly infront of amy people at some skeleton's playing cards room or whatever....I cant think properly right now, I'm still buzzing.
The airport-bomb scene was nothing short of slick, explosions and bond doing a lot of running (he does that a lot in this movie which isn't a bad thing at all) As Bond pursues this cargo bomber he hangs on for dear life as the truck turns and swerves. As Bond is hanging to the side of the truck, he notices the bomb is attached to the underbelly of the truck.
Finally Bond has a serious altercation no doubt with the bomber inside the truck and just when you think the bomber is about to jump out of the truck, Bond repeatedly pulls him back in. Finally, the bomber gets out and Bond is left to steer an out control, oil-leaking truck away from the plane. The Police aprehend Bond and the bomber watches from the sidelines. The bomber pulls out the detonator and presses the button BUt he hears the beeping sound and its too close for comfort for him, realising that the Bomb had been removed from under the truck, he finds the bomb attached to the back of his belt and looks at an apprehended Bond. Bond smiles at him and the bomber is fittingly blown into bits.

Vesper is stunning but not in a casual sexy way but more a, sexy-classical way. The pshyco analysis Bond and Vesper trade with each other regarding the sort of person they each were and their background was classic. Both gave as good as they got.
Both Bond and Vesper reach the hotel but Vesper is p1ssed at Bond because he used his real name to book in as opposed to the fake ID's they were given but Bond insists it doesn't matter. Vesper tells Bond that LeChiffre will know that Bond is reckless and proceeds into the elevator byherself, forbidding Bond to go in with her because there isn't space for her and his ego. Nice. Meanwhile Bond gets a package and proceeds to a slick, beautiful Aston Martin. Inside the glove compartment is a gun and some med-kits and whatnot. Bond goes inside the hotel and hands over to vesper a sexy dress, a tool which he wants her to wear to distract the other poker players. Vesper has left a dinner suit on Bond's bed in which he protests he already has 1 but moments later he's wearing the suit Vesper gave him and checks himself out in the mirror.

The game card game begins....Bond wants a drink and tells the barman the ingredients of what to include in his drink. Suddenly everyone else playing much to LeChiffre's frustration wants the exact same drink, lol quite a funny scene. Later Vesper shows up, kisses James and then goes over and sits with Mathis. Time for a break. LeChifre and his chic go into their room and are nabbed by the guys who LeChifre *****ed up heir money. One guy has a machette and badly want to use it and tells LeChiffre's chick to stick her arm out. Bond and Vesper hear the screaming but the goons come out before Bond can do anything and for Vesper to reach the stares to move away from the area. So, Bond and Vesper act as though they're making out against a wall and then 1 of the guys try to blast Bond in the back of the head but naturally Bond shifts out of the way thus, the stairwell fight takes place. Gritty, Brutal and Bloody are the words to describe this fight. Bond chockes the last guy to death whilst vesper had struggled to move the gun away from the chokee's hand.
Bond and Vesper sit in a shower as Bond sucks her fingers to "clean" her hands because she couldn't get the blood off. Very touching and powerful stuff.
To cut the card game short, Bond loses money after analysing LeChiffre in which he notices his eye bleeds when he's bluffing. Bond tells Vesper and Mathis but you find out later Mathis tells LeChiffre and thats how LeChiffre beat Bond. Anyway, Vesper doesn't stake Bond in again and a rather funny by scene takes place in which Bond acts a little childish by mumbling something to vesper and she's like, "What"? and Bond says, "I said you're a bloody idiot" and then storms off. Bond meets Felix Leiter and he doesn't want Bond to quit and agrees to stake him in as long as the CIA take in LeChiffre. Bond agrees But LeChiffre isn't happy. Bond gets a drink and when he sips it, he goes all weird-looking, like he's having a fit and is about to explode. Bond stumbles out of the casino, almost getting mowed over by speeding cars, makes his way into the Aston Martin and contacts MI6. He's been poisoned. Bond is about to have 1 serious heart attack and is given instructions to remedee the problem, he only has seconds to live. Bond opens up the glove compartment and taks out this blue syringe and sticks it into the vein in his neck and he has that heart-jumpstarter thing that he needs to attach and then presses he red button before he passes out. Bond epeatedly presses the red button but nothing's happening, Bond isn't going to make it. One of the wires isn't inserted into the heart-jumpstart and before Bond can do anything, he passes out......

Seconds later esper shoes up, inserts the red wire and presses the button. Bond comes to and acts as though nothing bad happened and even asks vesper if she is ok. Bond's attitude to his own life is strange, weird and quite humourous. Bond refuses to go to the hospital and gets back into the game. LeChiffre is shocked to see Bond much less Bond looking so well. Anyway Bond wins the money, LeChiffre is p1ssed and walks out. Bond and Vesper have dinner to celebrate Bond's victory, Vesper gets an alledged call from Mathis. Bond realises a little too late that its some sort of trap, Bond tries to find vesper and sees her being shoved into a car. Bond chases after the car and then dives into his beautiful Aston Martin. The AM gets *****ed as Bond swerevs away to avoid running over vesper who is tied up, lying on the road. Bond and vesper are both shoved into LeChiffre's car, Bond who was barely conscious passes out in the car.

Bond is stripped from his clothing. 1 guy cuts out the seat part from a chair. LeChifre wastes little time getting down to business. He wants the password and account number so he can get the money back that he owes. LeChiffre gets a rope and goes to town on Bond's balls. IT WAS PAINFUL!!

Bond cries out in agony, his screams are deafening. Bond then tries to wind up LeChiffre by telling him he has an itch and that if he didn't mind....LeChiffre starts whacking away. Bond bares the obvious pain, gritting his teeth and cryng out. His cries soon turn to tortourous laughter, goading LeChiffre to wack him on the other side of his balls. LeChifre is really p1ssed and knows he's getting nowhere with Bond. Bond laughs at him saying that, Lechiffre is going to die scratching Bond's balls. LeChiffre is confused as to why Bond thinks lechiffre is going to die because the present situation dictates that if anything lechiffre is not in any position to be killed. Bond explains that lechiffre wont get the money and that lechiffre's crditors will kill lechiffre. He has nowhere to hide. Lechiffre clearly knows Bond is right but fails to accept such a thing and tells Bond that he's going to cut his balls off and feed them to him. LeChiffre kicks the chair over, with Bond now on his back on the floor and then gun shots interrupt lechiffre's planned testicular surgery. A gunman walks out of where vesper and her captors were held and lechifre is scared ****less, begging him to spare his life, that he'll have the money. Lechiffre gets a bullet to the brain end of.

Bond momentarily regains consciousness, he's in a hospital, he calls out for vesper but then passes out. Bond wakes up again, he's in a wheel chair outside ina garden with Mathis. The conversation doesn't last long because 2 guys come up and use a teaser on Mathis. Vesper and Bond are happy and in love. Bond resigns from MI6. They give the code and password to some swiss guy who'll transfer the money, all is good.

Later vesper goes off to extract the money. Bond gets a call from M saying that the money hasn't reached the account. Something's not right. Bond calls up the swiss guy and the swiss guy tells him whats happening at that the money is being withdrawn as they speak by vesper. Bond races over to the bank. Vesper is nowhere to be seen. Bond finally sees her and folows her. Bond blasts some look-out goon in the side of his head but is later spotted by the guy who vesper's giving the money to. The guy takes vesper hostage and says come out or she dies and bond coldly replies, "let me" a shoot out takes ensues. What I like about Bond in this movie is that there's no "A-team" style of shooting. Bond doesn't shoot for the sake of shooting, wasting ammo and bullets, he knows what he's doing, hits his targets, he's a smart shooter. Another brutal fight/shootout takes place, Bond gets shot in the shoulder with a nail gun and then shoots the guy who was going to be given the money in his eye with the same nail gun. Vesper has betrayed Bond and cant forgive herself and allows herself to die, trapped in a sunken elevator. Bond was lied to, betrayed, heart broken, used and has now been robbed of genuine affection and emotion. He trusts nobody.

M calls Bond. Se offers him more time away from work but Bond wants to go back to work straight away. "Why do I need more time? I got the job done the ***** is dead". Bond finds out that Vesper had been comprmised. Her husband or boyfriend was being held captive and she needed to cooperate with the bad guys in order to save his life. We also find out that vesper made a deal with them to spare hers and Bond's life when they came and killed leChiffre. Vesper left Bond one last gift. Mr White. White had taken the money.

White recieves a phone call, "hello, who is this"? As he walks, you hear an ear-piercing gun shot. White gets shot in the leg. He's on the floor and is crawling to some steps. A man with nice shoes is walking up those steps and as the camera pans out you see Bond wearing a slick (the mother of all suits) suit, holding a bigass gun.

"The name's Bond......Jamess Bond"

BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enter Bond theme tune.

I could have cried with happiness after watching this movie. It was beautiful and well acted out. Daniel Craig is the best thing that happened to the Bond franchise since TSWL. Make no mistake, he's here to stay and all the naysayers can go ***** themselves. Craig takes the pain and dishes out. This is 1 bond you could put in a ring with Bauer and Bourne and know that Bond can batter the living day lights out of them. Bond throughout this movie never gives up and keeps going. He's relentless. This movie shows Bond growing and acquiring the tastes and attitude we usually see him display. He's reckless, resourceful, cool, smart and egotistical BUt he is still human. He gets upset, makes mistakes and gets told off alot by M. I'm glad that Bond recognised how M was treating him and even calls her, mum as he leaves her apartment. Go see this movie now, its easily movie of the year and you'll be pleased.
I might just go and see it again tonight, I cant wait for tomorrow to see it again.
This movie has been well worth the wait and if you call yourself a Bond fan and think this movie sucks, my opinion is that you know nothing about Bond and you can sit there and clutch onto your TWINE's and DADs.

Babs, Wilson and Craig have delivered bring on Bond 22 dammit!!!

The movie gets 9.5/10 because it should have been longer.
Did you purposely spoil the entire movie with this post, or was it on accident?

pointman

11-16-2006, 10:51 AM

My bad.

regwec

11-16-2006, 12:06 PM

I suggest you go back and pop some spoiler tags in, pointman.

pointman

11-16-2006, 12:15 PM

I've put the words spoilers ahead before I get into my review.

regwec

11-16-2006, 12:17 PM

Yes, but it is very long and very detailed, so parts of your text may be scanned inadvertently. Better to enclose it in spoiler tags.

Matt

11-16-2006, 12:22 PM

pointman

11-16-2006, 12:24 PM

So Matt, you prefer the Terrence Young creation of Bond? He essentially gave us Connery's Bond. Young was Bond in a sense.

Matt

11-16-2006, 12:30 PM

So Matt, you prefer the Terrence Young creation of Bond? He essentially gave us Connery's Bond. Young was Bond in a sense.

I suppose I do. Am I right? Am I wrong? I guess it all comes down to personal taste. At anyrate, I think the market is oversaturated with dark, disturbed, anti heroes.

regwec

11-16-2006, 12:40 PM

I think there is a balance to be struck. You could argue that the tone of this film is more humanitarian, because it treats violence and death with some amount of gravitas, rather than simple good fun.

pointman

11-16-2006, 02:22 PM

I suppose I do. Am I right? Am I wrong? I guess it all comes down to personal taste. At anyrate, I think the market is oversaturated with dark, disturbed, anti heroes.

Yeah you are but thats a good thing. Craig's Bond evolves into Young's Bond at the end. This movie was a learning curve, Craig's Bond acquires the connery-esque style and attitude that we all know and love. He's slick, suave and very dangerous.

Sam Fisher

01-12-2007, 05:33 PM

Offical DVD artwork

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/casino-royale.html

Looks ok but at least it's a 2disc.

Cyrusbales

01-12-2007, 05:38 PM

Yeah you are but thats a good thing. Craig's Bond evolves into Young's Bond at the end. This movie was a learning curve, Craig's Bond acquires the connery-esque style and attitude that we all know and love. He's slick, suave and very dangerous.

I didn't really see that Bond at the end, The film lacked the development that people claim it has, yes he developed, but not in that way

CConn

01-12-2007, 05:38 PM

I would've rather they just used the poster that cover's based on with Eva Green, but eh, it's still not a horrible cover.

Excel

01-12-2007, 05:40 PM

Okay, I don't seem to be the only one here who was rooting for Craig.

I think he's going to be an amazing Bond. Can't wait for this movie :up:

:eek: good call :up:

Darth Elektra

01-12-2007, 05:57 PM

Can't wait to pick the dvd up. One of the best films of 06.

Hunter Rider

01-12-2007, 07:37 PM

I like the cover:up:

CAH

01-12-2007, 07:49 PM

Well, I did not have the chance to see this film in theaters (I think I'm the only one)...so I'll definately be picking up the DVd up.

CAH

Orko Is King

01-12-2007, 07:53 PM

Here's hoping they do a kickass job witht eh picture/sound. I want all my Bond movies looking pretty.

Sam Fisher

01-21-2007, 01:44 AM

A couple interesting facts

<LI class=halfspace>The movie was delivered to some theaters under the codename: "Rough Skins". <LI class=halfspace>First James Bond film approved by Chinese censors. All other films in the series were available in China only as illegal bootlegs.

Crooklyn

01-21-2007, 02:19 AM

He's nothing like Flemings Bond,unless being ugly and a cockney villain is what Fleming wrote him as

sorry i love Bond and this casting sucks sumo size ass:(

Of all then rumours this guy was the worst,he has no Bond traits at all:down

BINO heading your way 2006

Better than a thug who looks like an extra from Eastenders
By far the best posts of this thread. :D

Oh, huntie... :o

DorkyFresh

01-21-2007, 02:49 AM

damn hunter, tell me you didn't really post those...

Crooklyn

01-21-2007, 03:19 AM

To be fair, that was way back. I admit...I was guilty of basically the same thoughts and now totally feel the exact opposite. Only difference is I didn't post them. :o

Tojo

01-21-2007, 04:26 AM

we now have an ugly cockney villain in the lead,well done EON:up:

Lol, cockney villain? Some people's ignorance ASTOUNDS me :wow:

Thankyou Hunter, your rich and thoughtful insights were a pleasure to behold.

Tojo

01-21-2007, 04:39 AM

Maybe its just me, but I don't want a cold, dark, sadistic Bond. I like the Bond of the movies. The suave ladies man, who never gets shaken, always keeps his cool, is very professional, but also to an extent has fun with his work. I mean, sure the books are great but Bond of film and Bond of literature are two different things.

And they still are two different things. The Casino movie only took one or two elements from the book, imo, but it managed to take the most important ones.

As for what you want, fair point. But then again you do have about 15 or 16 other Bond films which you can re-watch, if as you say, you really do want the same formula that has served the franchise for 40 odd years.

Personally i see no point in doing the same thing that has been done for 40 years. What is the point? Besides, this film had plenty of classic Bond humour/action.

At anyrate, I think the market is oversaturated with dark, disturbed, anti heroes.

And they are all so much more interesting and relatable to than Superman.

Hunter Rider

01-21-2007, 06:31 AM

damn hunter, tell me you didn't really post those...

I did:woot::O:(

Lol, cockney villain? Some people's ignorance ASTOUNDS me :wow:

Thankyou Hunter, your rich and thoughtful insights were a pleasure to behold.

My insights were at the time sensical:o,as for your attempt at wit.....not so much:csad:

Tojo

01-23-2007, 06:00 AM

Erm, they were definatley not sensical. Sure you can say he may not look the part(nor did Brosnan bar the black hair), but calling him a 'cockney villain'? That was ever so slightly retarded, but oh well it's in the past it doesn't matter anymore.

And just so you know, no wit was actually attempted in said post. Nice try though.

Hunter Rider

01-23-2007, 06:15 AM

You've clearly never seen Eastenders otherwise you would get the point,he looks just like Phil Mitchell's business associates:yay: and given your lousy record i'd edit out retarded if i was you:o

As for the rest i don't need to try b/c it was obvious,trying to get out of it though is tacky:csad:

Tojo

01-23-2007, 03:19 PM

Trying to get out of what? lol. Look sparky, as i said i wasn't trying to be witty, i was being sarcastic. But the fact that you have to highlight the most irrelevant sentence to legitamise your plainly ignorant posts is amusing to me nontheless.

It's okay if you feel the need to cover yourself, being a MOD and all, i understand :)

But as i said, it's in the past and doesn't really matter.

Hunter Rider

01-23-2007, 03:26 PM

there you go again trying to be slick and failing,if you can't comprehend points it's cool as you say it doesn't matter it's in the past