OMG, more deaths? 100th episode spoilers

[KalKai]

Executive Producer Alfred Gough revealed in TV Guide that the major character death of someone close to Clark (first teased in "Hidden") will occur in Episode #100. But, Gough has also teased that there will actually be more than one major death in the episode. Let the speculation begin!

[AgentPat]

Executive Producer Alfred Gough revealed in TV Guide that the major character death of someone close to Clark (first teased in "Hidden") will occur in Episode #100. But, Gough has also teased that there will actually be more than one major death in the episode. Let the speculation begin!Ouch. Well, Chloe is probably a gonner now. Bummah. :(

[KalKai]

i'm not so sure about Chloe, they did say this was/is gonna be the best year for AM/Chloe, i don't see her dying so early.

I say it's just the parents, Lionel and Jonathan/Martha.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Jor El and Jonathan maybe?

[mellyM]

Jor El and Jonathan maybe?
I was thinking that too..I know shows like to be dramatic, but they usually chose a fairly safe character to kill (well aside from Alias I guess) I don't think its safe to get rid of Chloe, especially this early...man, why do they have to kill anyone? I like everyone on the show.

[Serene]

I'm with Melly. I hate to see any of the regulars go so soon. Unless this actually is the final season that is.

[AgentPat]

...why do they have to kill anyone? I like everyone on the show.Agreed. I hope it's not Chloe. If somebody HAS to go, I'd much prefer it be Lionel or one of the Kents (Jonathan?), which would make the most "sense."

[mellyM]

True, as much as I love John Glover, Lionel has really served his purpose, and has become expendable..so maybe they'll let both Clark and Lex lose their fathers? I don't know if they would have bothered establishing Chloe in Metropolis and the Daily Planet if they were just going to kill her...ugh, it still all sucks alot, I like Bo Kent.:(

[Kane]

Im on board with it being Chloe. I dont see them eliminating John Schnieder from the cast, it would take away from the family element of the show and having the dynamic of the older actors there. The writers did say themselves that Kent would die at the END of the series,...I dont think its the end quite yet.

So Chloe is the best bet. Shes the only expendible unessecary one.

[Kane]

Agreed. I hope it's not Chloe. If somebody HAS to go, I'd much prefer it be Lionel or one of the Kents (Jonathan?), which would make the most "sense."

Lionel isnt exactly someone Clark LOVES either.....and I think Id be better if Lex kills Lionel, instead of him dying because of this thing with Jor-el.

[rumpuso]

If they got rid of Lionel, they actually could potentially be getting rid of Jor-el's essence too. That would account for 2 deaths. If that is not the case, I would prefer to see Chloe go bye-bye rather than Jonathan.

[Kane]

Except Jorel can exist without possessing Lionel as well, hes not dependant on Lionels body.

Jorel is most likely an artificial intelligence anyways, he has no real mortal life to sacrifice, and he probably wont sacrifice Lionels life (since Clark doesnt LOVE Lionel).

Clark never even expressed he loved Jorel either or that they were close, so Jorel had no reason to assume he was someone Clark loved.

Chloe is really the only option when you think about it.

[Flash48]

i think lionel


how could jor-el die

[AgentPat]

Lionel isnt exactly someone Clark LOVES either.....Good point. Well, then I think we really only have one character left. Jonathan and Martha are in the subsequent episode, so it must by Chloe. There really isn't any other viable option, unless they introduce a new character only to kill him/her off. (Not that that hasn't been done a few dozen times before in SV, but... LOL)

[rumpuso]

I hope you are right. I really don't want Jonathan or Martha to leave the show. However, the spoilers did indicate 2 deaths, so the second one doesn't necessarily mean a loved one.

[Kane]

i think lionel


how could jor-el die

Lionels death would probably have Clark jumping for joy, not mourning.

[Kane]

I hope you are right. I really don't want Jonathan or Martha to leave the show. However, the spoilers did indicate 2 deaths, so the second one doesn't necessarily mean a loved one.

The second one COULD be Lionel. But Lionel wont be the death that results from Clark getting his life back from Jorel.

Lex could off Lionel in this episode.

[Kane]

Good point. Well, then I think we really only have one character left. Jonathan and Martha are in the subsequent episode, so it must by Chloe. There really isn't any other viable option, unless they introduce a new character only to kill him/her off. (Not that that hasn't been done a few dozen times before in SV, but... LOL)

Ya but then it wouldnt be a major character death, unless its someone already established in DC continuity...but then killing that person off could screw up the timeline too.

[KalKai]

"someone close to Clark" = just 1 person, Jonathan or Martha or Chloe

now for the 2nd person, NOBODY said that it's someone close to Clark or it's someone that Clark loves, it could be anyone, and to me that person is Lionel.

[Kane]

If Lionel is the 2nd death, they better give John Glover some GOOD screentime this season playing Lionel Luthor's normal personality; not good Lionel Luthor, not catatonic Lionel Luthor, not Jorel-Lionel Luthor,..... the original way he was. Give the character some justice.

[mellyM]

Good point. Well, then I think we really only have one character left. Jonathan and Martha are in the subsequent episode, so it must by Chloe. There really isn't any other viable option, unless they introduce a new character only to kill him/her off. (Not that that hasn't been done a few dozen times before in SV, but... LOL)
we have spoilers for the 13th ep?

[GL1]

I like everybody on the show, the people who seem like the best candidates are Chloe, even though she's a great character, she's not in the comics so she's killable, and johnathan, who classically dies in the comics... great characters...

So I'd prefer a red herring death either A) Lana gets pregnant, and the baby dies or B) Clark comes to love Jor-El, who learns to sacrifice himself from Clark

Which, depending on how its done, would account for both Lionel's death and Jor-El's "death" and thought Jor El doesn't have a life force to sacrifice, Lionel does...

A great tying up of events, though chances are, they'll just kill Chloe and honestly, that'll just about kill the show for me... Johnathan dying will come really close though...

and dude, if Martha's up for dying, then so is Lana...

[AgentPat]

I re-heeeely love Chloe, but in many ways, it makes sense for her to be offed before the show ends. She knows WAY too much, and Lois needs *something* to inspire her to become the ace reporter she's destined to become. And if they make the 100th episode as amazing as it's been rumored to be, I could see a lot of other things happening in it too. Lex collects on his IOU from Lana (*snicker*), Clark finds out (*double snicker*), Clark has a falling out with Lana and another straw is added to the already broken camel's back between him and Lex. And call me crazy, but if Chloe actually DIES in the 100th episode - like permanently - gotta go - CYA kinda dies, I bet the writers throw a curve ball at the audience between her and Clark. After all - Clark ends up with Lois right? Well, who is Lois most like right now in SV continuity? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

Yeah, I'm out there, but this season is supposedly "everything you wanted to see," right? LOL :p

[Kane]

So I'd prefer a red herring death either A) Lana gets pregnant, and the baby dies or B) Clark comes to love Jor-El, who learns to sacrifice himself from Clark



I doubt that will be the case. For that to happen, we have to assume Jorel can see into the future (which is really pushing it).

It has to be someone Clark loves...right now.

[KalKai]

seriously, the show is ALL about Clark and Lex.. and Superman, so i don't understand some people when they say "if he or she dies i'll stop watching", that's 1 stupid thing to say, you should have never started watching then.

[rumpuso]

And call me crazy, but if Chloe actually DIES in the 100th episode - like permanently - gotta go - CYA kinda dies, I bet the writers throw a curve ball at the audience between her and Clark. After all - Clark ends up with Lois right? Well, who is Lois most like right now in SV continuity? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

Yeah, I'm out there, but this season is supposedly "everything you wanted to see," right? LOL :p
Pat, it sounds as if you've been visiting that crazy 550 page Chlois thread over in the speculation forum of KSite. They are certain that Chloe is Lois Lane and will take her cousin's name in the future. They hope ED's Lois will simply disappear into the sunset since they cannot envision her as a better Lois Lane than Chloe. Ugh! Personally, Chloe turning into Lois Lane would NOT be everything *I* wanted to see. It would deflate the show in my eyes entirely. I hope to god they don't go there.

[mellyM]

I re-heeeely love Chloe, but in many ways, it makes sense for her to be offed before the show ends. She knows WAY too much, and Lois needs *something* to inspire her to become the ace reporter she's destined to become. And if they make the 100th episode as amazing as it's been rumored to be, I could see a lot of other things happening in it too. Lex collects on his IOU from Lana (*snicker*), Clark finds out (*double snicker*), Clark has a falling out with Lana and another straw is added to the already broken camel's back between him and Lex. And call me crazy, but if Chloe actually DIES in the 100th episode - like permanently - gotta go - CYA kinda dies, I bet the writers throw a curve ball at the audience between her and Clark. After all - Clark ends up with Lois right? Well, who is Lois most like right now in SV continuity? http://www.patcostello.com/smileys/smug.gif

Yeah, I'm out there, but this season is supposedly "everything you wanted to see," right? LOL :p
what CYA mean? and I really really hope its not Chloe, it'll put a major damper on the show for me, I like Clark having someone to confide in, since he doesn't seem to tell his parents everything anymore...I still don't see anything saying both his parents are in the next episode..I know it was mentioned Martha would play a big part in the season in the 2nd half..

[Kane]

Pat, it sounds as if you've been visiting that crazy 550 page Chlois thread over in the speculation forum of KSite. They are certain that Chloe is Lois Lane and will take her cousin's name in the future. They hope ED's Lois will simply disappear into the sunset since they cannot envision her as a better Lois Lane than Chloe. Ugh! Personally, Chloe turning into Lois Lane would NOT be everything *I* wanted to see. It would deflate the show in my eyes entirely. I hope to god they don't go there.

Yuck! That will never happen.

[RakuMon]

Jor-El's essence leaves while inside Lion-El, thus causing Lionel to die as well.
Or maybe Lex offs Lionel while Jor-El is inside him.

Seriously can't you imagine the look on Lex's face if, after finally killing his father, he witnesses Clark holding Lionel in his arms?!

[Kane]

Except Jorels essence can exist without Lionels body, its not dependant on it.

and Lionels body isnt dependant on Jor-el to survive, all Jorel said was he can possess Lionels body whenever he wants....like Witchy Woman possessing Lana last yr.

[GL1]

seriously, the show is ALL about Clark and Lex.. and Superman, so i don't understand some people when they say "if he or she dies i'll stop watching", that's 1 stupid thing to say, you should have never started watching then.

Hey, it's not my fault they made Chloe more likable to me than Clark and Lex (how is it all about Lex)... the writers should've spent more time making Clark relatable :)

I personally think it's only right for Chloe to bite it at the end of the series, but without her, Clark's whole love life looses it's flavour, and it becomes Clark vs Lex as opposed to a network of friends breaking down...

[rumpuso]

I personally think it's only right for Chloe to bite it at the end of the series, but without her, Clark's whole love life looses it's flavour, and it becomes Clark vs Lex as opposed to a network of friends breaking down...
Love life? What do you mean? Clark has never been interested in Chloe romantically. The only reason he went to the prom with her in season 1 was because Lana was still with Whitney.

[AgentPat]

Pat, it sounds as if you've been visiting that crazy 550 page Chlois thread over in the speculation forum of KSite. They are certain that Chloe is Lois Lane and will take her cousin's name in the future. They hope ED's Lois will simply disappear into the sunset since they cannot envision her as a better Lois Lane than Chloe. Ugh! Personally, Chloe turning into Lois Lane would NOT be everything *I* wanted to see. It would deflate the show in my eyes entirely. I hope to god they don't go there.LOL!! No no... Lois is still Lois, and Chloe is still Chloe. One isn't gonna morph into the other, or take the other's place. Clark ends up with Durance's Lois Lane.

What I meant was, assuming Chloe dies in the 100th episode, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the other ratings coups would be an out of left field intimate moment between her and Clark.

Think BIG. The 100th episode has GOT to have some epic moments. That means *possibly* ...
- the final straw between Clark and Lex?
- one or more character's deaths?
- the first "real" flying scene?
- a big battle (Clark and Brainiac?)
- final break up of Clark and Lana? (Lex's IOU?)
- Lois (and/or Clark?) choosing a career in journalism (related to Chloe's death?)
- first hints of... wait for it... the suit?

Know what I mean? :D

PS: I haven't read the character sections at K-Site in a VERY long time. They frustrate me too much with all the Clark is evil crap and Lex worship. And I re-heeely loathe all the negativity about how the writers don't know what they're doing, the producers disrespect the mythos, yada freakin' yada. It's tiring. I like the show just the way it is and I'd rather hang out in a forum with other posters of like mind. Funny how the SV forums of SHH, of ALL places, have become the one place where most posters are POSITIVE about the show. Now THAT's irony. :p

[NHawk19]

Well if we're getting more than one death for any number of reasons my top 4 would be

Chloe, Lionel, Jor-El, Johnathon if I was to toss in a 5th and I mean this seriously it would be Lana. (SV is it's own continuity right?)

Other than that I think Pat covered all the other reasonable assumptions.

[smsvmos]

come on guys non of u have guessd this yet?? If they kill someone it cant be from the opening credits unless is the season finaly. So who is verry close to Clark that is not in the opening credits?

[KalKai]

come on guys non of u have guessd this yet?? If they kill someone it cant be from the opening credits unless is the season finaly. So who is verry close to Clark that is not in the opening credits?

LOL of course it is, and it's TWO people, and who else is there? they're both MAJOR characters.

[rumpuso]

come on guys non of u have guessd this yet?? If they kill someone it cant be from the opening credits unless is the season finaly. So who is verry close to Clark that is not in the opening credits?
If you are thinking perhaps that the death will be Pete's, I'm not so sure they would do this. Pete has fallen victim to the "Alicia" syndrome...out of sight, out of mind. Even Chloe mentioned at the end of Hidden how much she has enjoyed being the sole keeper of Clark's secret. I just cannot imagine them bringing Pete back up only to have him killed. But stranger things have happened on this show, I suppose.

[Serene]

Man.. it's all making my head spin!

Chloe's never been my favorite character, but this season I've been loving what they are doing with her.. Killing her now would be so tragic. Depending on the circumstances of her death, it would reinforce to Clark how dangerous it is for him to share his secret with anyone.. Hmm. And there's the Lois thing - I agree that Chloe's death might be the final push/inspiration Lois needs to devote herself to investigational journalism.

Still.. can you imagine the fallout in SV online fandom if they actually do kill Chloe? My impression has always been that Chloe is the favorite of all the female characters on that show. She's the spunky underdog with the sharp wit, almost defined by her unrequited love for Clark.. making her very easy to relate to. And AM does a fabulous job in the role.

My money's on Lionel being the other death. And not necessarily as Jornel either. Perhaps just as his old Magnificent Bastard self....

I think with the ABC family deal, and a desire to keep SV somewhat of a show with family appeal, they will keep Jonathan around until closer to the end. They still need that as a final lesson to Clark about how he can't save everyone, and as a factor in his finally leaving Smallville.

[smsvmos]

It has to be Pete. Stick with me on this one if this is the 100th episode they will try to bring as many characters as they can to celebrate this 100th episode and that includes Pete and it put Clark into a period of Darkness that will kick him into overdrive. Either Clark will start fighting Crime or he will go into exile but i think this event will make him start fighting crime as it was indicated in the season 5 spoilers

[KalKai]

again, Chloe won't die, are you all forgetting what they said about her? it will be her BEST season. Forget Pete, he won't be coming back and he's no major character, and remember, Martha will get this mysterious disease from Krypton, it's pretty obvious, it's the parents.

[Triligors]

If Jor-El did kill Lionell it would be more of a favor and Clark would be happier than ever. Which would kind of be funny.

Jor-El kills Lionell

Jor-El: See, those closest to you die son
Clark: Thank you for offing one my worst enemys father.
Jor-El: Huh?
Clark: Lionell was mean to everyone, so thus- you killed the enemy
Jor-El: Oh

But, seriously I think it will definitely be Jonathon Kent and probably Lionell.

So, I hate to see it happen- but we've all known since the beginning that Jonathon Kent would eventually die. Didn't expect it to be so soon though. And Lex does kill Lionell, I've expected this from the first season finale when he was contemplating saving his father or letting him die in the storm.

[rumpuso]

Martha is supposed to play an important part in Clark's life the 2nd half of the season. That would exclude her from this speculation.

[KalKai]

It has to be Pete. Stick with me on this one if this is the 100th episode they will try to bring as many characters as they can to celebrate this 100th episode and that includes Pete and it put Clark into a period of Darkness that will kick him into overdrive. Either Clark will start fighting Crime or he will go into exile but i think this event will make him start fighting crime as it was indicated in the season 5 spoilers

they won't bring back Pete, they said it hundred of times already, what, returning after 2 years just to get killed? lol

[avidreader]

Jonathan and Martha cannot be a sacrifice - Clark would find it too hard to move on. If either one of them dies it should be in their own time by natural causes.

Chloe - I thought the theme this season was Superman in Training and Chloe assists him with that by being a reporter at the Daily Planet. She cant get him to Metropolis to save the day if she's dead.

Lana, Lois & Lex - too important to the mythology to off one of them.

Lionel - expendable - he most likely will be the second death. As someone else said the spoiler doesnt indicate that Clark loves this other person.

Jor-el's life essence - is the death that Clark will have sacrifised for his return.

This is Smallville, they always twist things to make you think something else.

I like the idea of Jor-el inside Lionel dying in Clark's arms with Lex witnessing.

And you know, John Glover could still appear, in spirit, from time to time, as the devil on Lex's shoulder driving him to madness.

[RakuMon]

I like the idea of Jor-el inside Lionel dying in Clark's arms with Lex witnessing.

Isn't that an awesome visual?!

[Serene]

And you know, John Glover could still appear, in spirit, from time to time, as the devil on Lex's shoulder driving him to madness.
The image of a little horned and tailed Lionel sitting on Lex's shoulder is too funny! The other shoulder would have to be Clark with a halo.. Lex has said that Clark's friendship is the only thing that keeps him from going over that edge...

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Id prefer Chloe over the Kents. They are so much better Characters. Lionel & Chloe = MOST Expandable ones.

[Triligors]

Well, Jonathon's life not expendable? This is a CRUCIAL and WELL KNOWN part of the classic Superman mythology that all people remember for the films. Even if it didn't happen in the comics, most remember that iconic moment of Clark finding his father dead in the barn. So this is a definite possibility.

Also, Pete? I don't think that Gough and Millar would bring Pete Ross back just to off his character. "Let's bring Pete back" "Alright" "He dies after he comes back" "let's go with that." Doesn't make a heck of alot of sense- bring back an 'old' character just to kill the character. No story telling point.

[avidreader]

Isn't that an awesome visual?!

Yeah, totally agree with you. That would really get Lex thinking.

The image of a little horned and tailed Lionel sitting on Lex's shoulder is too funny! The other shoulder would have to be Clark with a halo.. Lex has said that Clark's friendship is the only thing that keeps him from going over that edge...

LOL!:D That's exactly what ran through my mind.

Wouldnt Clark look boodiful in a halo. :)

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Well, Jonathon's life not expendable? This is a CRUCIAL and WELL KNOWN part of the classic Superman mythology that all people remember for the films. Even if it didn't happen in the comics, most remember that iconic moment of Clark finding his father dead in the barn. So this is a definite possibility.

Also, Pete? I don't think that Gough and Millar would bring Pete Ross back just to off his character. "Let's bring Pete back" "Alright" "He dies after he comes back" "let's go with that." Doesn't make a heck of alot of sense- bring back an 'old' character just to kill the character. No story telling point.

Jonathen dying cause of Jor El will NOT work Story Wise. If the Writers kill him of it can't be because of Jor El because Clark would NEVER listen to him again. I prefer the Classic way of a character like Jonathen dying. The same way in the movies. Then with Clark thinking Jor El did it then by mid season / season end another Character dies Clark realises Jonathen dying was NOT Jor Els fault.

[darkzombiemutt]

Well there is always the possiblitiy of whoever dies, undying. Remember they have been using Superman 1 and 2 as a loose guide lately, Clark could actually figure out a way to undo the death like he did with Lois in Superman 1.

[Clarky&Lois]

Isn't that an awesome visual?!not gonna happen, cause jor-els already dead, and that would contradict Superman Returns:down

[triplet]

True, as much as I love John Glover, Lionel has really served his purpose, and has become expendable..so maybe they'll let both Clark and Lex lose their fathers? I don't know if they would have bothered establishing Chloe in Metropolis and the Daily Planet if they were just going to kill her...ugh, it still all sucks alot, I like Bo Kent.:(

I like Jonathan, but I'd rather it be him and/or Lionel than just about anyone else if I had to choose.

[Clarky&Lois]

I like Jonathan, but I'd rather it be him and/or Lionel than just about anyone else if I had to choose.id rather it be Chloe Personally, cause she is not a comic book character, and she doesnt fit into clarks future, and pete was a comic character that was his friend, i want pete back so we could see some Clark lois Pete interaction!!

[triplet]

Pete's not coming back... Sam Jones III is on ER now, even if it's only a recurring role and not a regular one, and is doing movies.

But Jonathan died in the Donner film, why is everyone always gunning for chloe? She's wondeful and just because she's not in the comics doesn't mean she has to die.

They already killed her once, I don't see her dying again so soon. Anyway, as much as Clark loves her as a friend her death wouldn't mean as much as Jonathan's would.

I guess we'll see in like in February when episode 100 airs...

[muscaremy]

just to let you know it didnt say another MAJOR death it just sed "Its safe to say it wont be the only death you see in that episode"

meaning it could be anyone... **** it could be farmer joe for all we know

and i could scan if anyone wants me to as long as tv guide isnt gay like toyfare and wizard etc.

[KalKai]

just to let you know it didnt say another MAJOR death it just sed "Its safe to say it wont be the only death you see in that episode"

meaning it could be anyone... **** it could be farmer joe for all we know

and i could scan if anyone wants me to as long as tv guide isnt gay like toyfare and wizard etc.

?

"Gough has also teased that there will actually be more than one major death in the episode."

[Zorex]

pleeeease let it not be Chloe.

Someone on the Planet suggested Jor-El [and the sheriff, but.....let's focus on Jor], which at first I thought "No," cuz Jor-Lionel said the lifeforce would be taken from someone Clark loves. At this point, Clark doesn't love Jor-El....might that change by 5.12? Jor-El's character has certainly changed since since he was first introduced, and he's becoming much more of a good guy {"Always know that I love you."}.

[muscaremy]

he didnt do so in the article

[Clarky&Lois]

pleeeease let it not be Chloe.

Someone on the Planet suggested Jor-El [and the sheriff, but.....let's focus on Jor], which at first I thought "No," cuz Jor-Lionel said the lifeforce would be taken from someone Clark loves. At this point, Clark doesn't love Jor-El....might that change by 5.12? Jor-El's character has certainly changed since since he was first introduced, and he's becoming much more of a good guy {"Always know that I love you."}.not gonna happen Smallville and Sr are not Gonna contradict each other, therefore JOREL WILL NOT DIE! next!

[AgentPat]

not gonna happen Smallville and Sr are not Gonna contradict each other, therefore JOREL WILL NOT DIE! next!Well, I would agree that Jor-El isn't gonna be the one who dies. (In point of fact, he's already dead.)

I think the "more than one major death" quote is probably in reference to some calamity they're planning for the 100th episode. There were 17 "deaths" in Arrival, not counting Clark's (temporary?) offing of the two Kryptonians into the Phantom Zone. LOL

As to the continuity connection between film and skein... I let somebody else debate that issue. I'm tired today. :)

[RakuMon]

Again, Jonathan dying is not necesarry in Smallville continuity. There is no way Jonathan can die of "natural causes." The only reason he has a "heart problem" is because of Jor-El. They purposely de-aged the Kents so that Jonathan dying wouldn't make any sense. Even if Jonathan has a heart attack and dies, Clark will either blame himself or blame Jor-El. Jonathan dying (in the SV-verse) will NOT teach Clark anything.

Jor-El giving up his sentience, on the other hand...

[Kane]

again, Chloe won't die, are you all forgetting what they said about her? it will be her BEST season.

Her "best season" could be because of her DEATH. Think about it...what is Chloe's purpose and goals, aside from being Clark's sidekick;

She wanted to always one day work for the Daily Planet (as a journalist), that BECOMES a reality this season, she achieves her goals.....what further purpose does she serve now? Literally nothing. By episode 12, she would have already had alot of episodes serving as Clarks sidekick too (even though before she knew about his powers, she had a similar role).

Ill be laughing so hard if Chloe dies, because then the morons at K-site who worship her night and day and believe shes Lois Lane....will be in for a surprise.

[Kane]

Again, Jonathan dying is not necesarry in Smallville continuity. There is no way Jonathan can die of "natural causes." The only reason he has a "heart problem" is because of Jor-El. They purposely de-aged the Kents so that Jonathan dying wouldn't make any sense. Even if Jonathan has a heart attack and dies, Clark will either blame himself or blame Jor-El. Jonathan dying (in the SV-verse) will NOT teach Clark anything.

Jor-El giving up his sentience, on the other hand...

Except one of them; Miles Millar and Al Gough dropped that SV will END with Jonathan dying and Clark donning the tights.

But they said SV will END that way, and I dont think this is SV's last season and the 100th isnt the last episode. Its too soon for him to die...espeically in the middle of the storyline where hes running for Mayor of Smallville against Lex.

Again, Jorel is already dead. Jorel says he was taking the mortal lifeforce from someone in order to save Clark (from someone whos living). Jorel dying again would make no sense.

Jorel is either a computer artificial intelligence (which makes the most sense) or as some people suggested hes some kind of spirit or ghost (which makes much LESS sense). If Jorel is some immortal spirit, him dying WOULDNT make any sense either....since hes a ghost.

[GinaRenee]

Jonathan's death mid-season wouldn't fit with what TPTB told John about his being there all season.

Of course, it wouldn't be the first time TPTB told a fib . . .

What I want to know is, why are they always wanting to get rid of cast members, when their cast is the single best asset they've got??

ETA: CS, could you provide a source for that quote about Jonathan dying at the end of the series? I've never heard that before and would like to read the article. Thanks.

[Clarky&Lois]

Her "best season" could be because of her DEATH. Think about it...what is Chloe's purpose and goals, aside from being Clark's sidekick;

She wanted to always one day work for the Daily Planet (as a journalist), that BECOMES a reality this season, she achieves her goals.....what further purpose does she serve now? Literally nothing. By episode 12, she would have already had alot of episodes serving as Clarks sidekick too (even though before she knew about his powers, she had a similar role).

Ill be laughing so hard if Chloe dies, because then the morons at K-site who worship her night and day and believe shes Lois Lane....will be in for a surprise.lol true and there are alot of morons at k-site still under that belief!lol:rolleyes:

[triplet]

Who knows? Maybe it's Lionel, not Jor-El.

John Glover loves working on Smallville but he's got other things he could be doing so his leaving the show would make some sense.

I'd miss him, however. He's such a wonderful actor and a real asset to the show.

[Zing79]

Chloe, ‘Jor-el’ -- either of these deaths could serve a larger purpose or make a lot of sense.

Chloe doesn’t have to be chosen as the one to die you know? She could find out about the sacrifice that must be made in order to bring Clark back. If she does, there’s nothing stopping here from going to the Fortress herself (cause she knows where it is), and telling Jor-el she’ll be that person.

Could you imagine the visual of her desperately trekking through the North Pole, arriving near death at the Fortress and calling out Jor-el to make her plea? I think Jor-el would finally learn how valuable human relationships can be in Clark’s life.

That death could also teach Clark a great deal, and push Lois in the direction she needs to go.

‘Jor-el’ could be divided into two categories (hence the quotes around his name). Let’s assume for a moment his life-force or soul are somehow still kicking around in the Fortress, or in Lionel. If Jor-el sacrifices his life force for Clark, you can bet that moment on its own will make Jor-el a loved member of Clark’s life. Jor-el could still then exist as the voice of the computer simulation that would train Clark to be Superman. And I’m sure Clark would be more receptive to his hero destiny if Jor-el gives up his soul to make him see that point.

Personally I prefer seeing Chloe go. She's got to go eventually (that much I think we can all agree on) and I can't imagine a better way for her to go then choosing to sacrifice herself so that the world can be 'saved' by Clark/Superman. She already alludes to his destiny -- she knows what he's meant to do, she knows who he really is. All that adds up to a heart wrenching moment where she dies in Clarks arms making him promise her he will do great things with his gifts (and in consequence not waste her sacrifice).

That was just a lot of fanfic, but I can only hope that’s how they go.

[RakuMon]

It's not so much that Jor-El dies, but giving up his sentience so that he's no longer there to guide Kal-El. Then and only then will Clark realize Jor-El's intentions and thus completely accept his destiny.

Jor-El is much more than a computer program. And even if he where, he's definitely a sentient one. It would be much like Data giving up his "life" for Picard. Although he technically cannot "die," he can still sacrifice himself. Much like Jor-El.

To me, this is the most obvious and logical choice for the writers.

I agree Clark should lose a father, I just don't think it should be Jonathan.

[mellyM]

Jonathan's death mid-season wouldn't fit with what TPTB told John about his being there all season.

Of course, it wouldn't be the first time TPTB told a fib . . .

What I want to know is, why are they always wanting to get rid of cast members, when their cast is the single best asset they've got??

ETA: CS, could you provide a source for that quote about Jonathan dying at the end of the series? I've never heard that before and would like to read the article. Thanks.
Allison was told the same thing, that'd she'd be in every episode, at least thats what she said, so honestly, I don't think it matters, I'm pretty sure they can off them anytime they like.
And while I don't agree with the crazy Chlois peeps on Ksite, I definitely won't be laughing if she dies..it'd be incredibly sad..(but would it be Clark's darkest hour?)

[Kane]

Who knows? Maybe it's Lionel, not Jor-El.

John Glover loves working on Smallville but he's got other things he could be doing so his leaving the show would make some sense.

I'd miss him, however. He's such a wonderful actor and a real asset to the show.

Lionel could be the 2nd death. Not the first, since Clark doesnt LOVE Lionel.

[Clarky&Lois]

Chloe, ‘Jor-el’ -- either of these deaths could serve a larger purpose or make a lot of sense.

Chloe doesn’t have to be chosen as the one to die you know? She could find out about the sacrifice that must be made in order to bring Clark back. If she does, there’s nothing stopping here from going to the Fortress herself (cause she knows where it is), and telling Jor-el she’ll be that person.

Could you imagine the visual of her desperately trekking through the North Pole, arriving near death at the Fortress and calling out Jor-el to make her plea? I think Jor-el would finally learn how valuable human relationships can be in Clark’s life.

That death could also teach Clark a great deal, and push Lois in the direction she needs to go.

‘Jor-el’ could be divided into two categories (hence the quotes around his name). Let’s assume for a moment his life-force or soul are somehow still kicking around in the Fortress, or in Lionel. If Jor-el sacrifices his life force for Clark, you can bet that moment on its own will make Jor-el a loved member of Clark’s life. Jor-el could still then exist as the voice of the computer simulation that would train Clark to be Superman. And I’m sure Clark would be more receptive to his hero destiny if Jor-el gives up his soul to make him see that point.

Personally I prefer seeing Chloe go. She's got to go eventually (that much I think we can all agree on) and I can't imagine a better way for her to go then choosing to sacrifice herself so that the world can be 'saved' by Clark/Superman. She already alludes to his destiny -- she knows what he's meant to do, she knows who he really is. All that adds up to a heart wrenching moment where she dies in Clarks arms making him promise her he will do great things with his gifts (and in consequence not waste her sacrifice).

That was just a lot of fanfic, but I can only hope that’s how they go.jo-rels not sacrificing his life force for clark, Contradiction to Superman Returns, so it aint happening.:down

[Kane]

It's not so much that Jor-El dies, but giving up his sentience so that he's no longer there to guide Kal-El. Then and only then will Clark realize Jor-El's intentions and thus completely accept his destiny.

Jor-El is much more than a computer program. And even if he where, he's definitely a sentient one. It would be much like Data giving up his "life" for Picard. Although he technically cannot "die," he can still sacrifice himself. Much like Jor-El.

To me, this is the most obvious and logical choice for the writers.

I agree Clark should lose a father, I just don't think it should be Jonathan.

Data has no mortal energy though, no soul. Hes a machine. Jorel said in nature theres a balance and the lifeforce from someone living must be sacrificed and given to Clark to bring him back.

And if Jorel isnt a computer repository, what is he!? Immortal? A god? Kryptonians dont have those powers... and when Jorel was on Earth he did use technology in the Cave Walls.

The other issue is economics. With no Jorel this early, it would deem the expensive Fortress of Solitude set useless. Clark is the only one that could survive in there and without anything to guide him in there, he'll have no reason to even go there or lack the motivation too.

[triplet]

I don't think we all agree that Chloe needs to die. I don't.

Chloe is key to the show, dramatically. She's Clark's emotional foil.

She shows emotion that Clark can't or won't show. Which is part of the reason she cries so damn much, as much as some people round here hate that - it serves a dramatic purpose. How would they replace that part of her role? Bring back Pete? No way. He has the emotional depth of a piece of wood.

Jonathan is his moral compass so he's important to Clark too.

Personally, of any of them, I'd most prefer to see Jonathan go but I love the relationship he has with Clark and his love for Martha is terrific so as much as his moral platitudes sometimes annoy me, I'd miss him too.

[Serene]

Clark could actually figure out a way to undo the death like he did with Lois in Superman 1.

I still think there's a chance that Martha's "Kryptonian" illness could be related, but that somehow Clark will find a way to cure her.

[Kane]

I don't think we all agree that Chloe needs to die. I don't.

Chloe is key to the show, dramatically. She's Clark's emotional foil.



And Jorel intended for the death to have an emotional impact on Clark...so it will. Chloe isnt that important compared to the parents and Lana. I also think its better from now on if Clark becomes independant instead of relying on her to do alot of the thinking (and him doing the physical stuff).

Besides, what everyone forgets is...once Lana learns his secret, she'll be in Chloe's position. The confidant......so its not like Chloes the only one that can be that emotional foil.

I personally would prefer if Lana never learned Clarks secret, but given the demand for it....its probably going to happen, and when it does, Clark doesnt need 2 women to be his confidants and know his secret.

[rumpuso]

Chloe is key to the show, dramatically. She's Clark's emotional foil.
I see your point Triplet, I honestly do. But, I don't agree with this statement. Clark expresses himself just fine without Chloe. I think her death, however, would serve a very real dramatic purpose to the show, furthering along the storylines for both Clark and Lois. Everyone who finds out about Clark, either leaves him (Pete) or dies. Chloe has done neither so far. I think her time to shine is in this moment...these episodes before episode 100.

In the latest issue of Smallville Magazine, the interviewer asks Tom Welling:

This is quite a big scene for Clark and Chloe.

His answer:

It's a scene that slows everything down and it gets the audience to a point where the heart-rate hopefully goes down a little bit and then, all of a sudden, with the newscast, it speeds it up once again and we're back into the action. I think it's a good way to slow it down, with Clark realizing that Chloe knows his secret, which I thought was a great thing to hang in front of the show anyway, as a carrot to keep everybody guessing how it would happen. I don't know what's going to happen to her now: everybody that finds out about Clark dies, so who knows...(laughs)

***

I think the issue of Chloe's demise is on the minds of every cast member. Episode 100 will be a must-see episode, that's for sure.

[triplet]

I dunno, I just don't see anyone filing Chloe's shoes. Lana isn't Chloe and I think dramatically she's needed.

I guess we'll see...

[cyrus02pso]

the only one i would be cool with them getting rid of is lana... but i would be pissed because it wouldnt match up with ether comics or movies...

anyways it will probly be jonathan and lionel which sucks because i really like both of them.

oh and if some crack head decieds to kill off chloe then im out... no more sv

[Zing79]

jo-rels not sacrificing his life force for clark, Contradiction to Superman Returns, so it aint happening.:down
Is your sole purpose on this board going to be to push for SR and SV to not contridict? Because I believe the moment Welling wasn't cast Singer made the decision for you.

[avidreader]

Everyone makes very good points and I am totally undecided as to which one has the most merrit.

However, Clark is from Krypton, he is not part of earth's nature so offing an earthling doesnt restore the balance of nature.

He is a being from another planet living among us.

[Serene]

I dunno, I just don't see anyone filing Chloe's shoes. Lana isn't Chloe ...

But Lois could be.. Sorta. Not that I WANT Chloe to die.. If they left it to me, I'd vote no. :) But, I can see how her death would work in regards to the overall story and other characters.. namely Lois and Clark.

[Zing79]

I dunno, I just don't see anyone filing Chloe's shoes. Lana isn't Chloe and I think dramatically she's needed.

I guess we'll see...
Chloe is nothing more then a beta version of Lois -- Chloe could be replaced at ANY point with the real deal.

I know how much everyone likes her (myself included), but she's got to go. She WILL be gone eventually, and I don't want her exit to be worthless. Sorry, but if I have to choose between her being around 'a little longer' or insuring her exit is top notch guess which I'm choosing?

[Brainiac 8]

Everyone makes very good points and I am totally undecided as to which one has the most merrit.

However, Clark is from Krypton, he is not part of earth's nature so offing an earthling doesnt restore the balance of nature.

He is a being from another planet living among us.

They will bring back Kara, and then kill her again.:D

[RakuMon]

Is your sole purpose on this board going to be to push for SR and SV to not contridict? Because I believe the moment Welling wasn't cast Singer made the decision for you.
:up: :up:
My thoughts exactly, Zing!!

[triplet]

Chloe is nothing more then a beta version of Lois -- Chloe could be replaced at ANY point with the real deal.

I know how much everyone likes her (myself included), but she's got to go. She WILL be gone eventually, and I don't want her exit to be worthless. Sorry, but if I have to choose between her being around 'a little longer' or insuring her exit is top notch guess which I'm choosing?

I can kinda see your point but I still don't agree with it so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens...

[Serene]

Everyone makes very good points and I am totally undecided as to which one has the most merrit.

However, Clark is from Krypton, he is not part of earth's nature so offing an earthling doesnt restore the balance of nature.

He is a being from another planet living among us.

That's an interesting point. Too bad he didn't save one of those Kryptonians to sacrifice later. LOL..

[Kane]

Everyone makes very good points and I am totally undecided as to which one has the most merrit.

However, Clark is from Krypton, he is not part of earth's nature so offing an earthling doesnt restore the balance of nature.

He is a being from another planet living among us.

He did die as a human however... and the mortal lifeforce could be a universal constant regardless of where the person is from. Jorel was most likely talking in terms of beyond earth.

[Kane]

They will bring back Kara, and then kill her again.:D

-_- lets not ruin the name of 'Kara' any further than Smallville already did!

[avidreader]

That's an interesting point. Too bad he didn't save one of those Kryptonians to sacrifice later. LOL.. I dont think he loved them tho.

Maybe that explosion in space released someone else, that he does love.

[Kane]

Clark only loves Martha, Jonathan, Lana and Chloe. The only other person he recently loved was Alicia.

[Clarky&Lois]

Is your sole purpose on this board going to be to push for SR and SV to not contridict? Because I believe the moment Welling wasn't cast Singer made the decision for you.sorry dude singer and al and miles said repeatedly, they are avoiding any Egregious Mythology Clashes, Jor-el dying in sv would me a major Clash since, Hello,1 hes already dead and 2 hes in the Film! you were saying?:rolleyes:

[avidreader]

He did die as a human however... and the mortal lifeforce could be a universal constant regardless of where the person is from. Jorel was most likely talking in terms of beyond earth.

But he was restored as a Kryptonian.

[avidreader]

sorry dude singer and al and miles said repeatedly, they are avoiding any Egregious Mythology Clashes, Jorel dying in sv would me a major Clash since, Hello, hes in the Film! you were say:rolleyes: ing?

What the real living being, body and soul, of Jor-el is in the film. He survived Krypton? :rolleyes:

I think people here are talking about his life force.

[Clarky&Lois]

What the real living being, body and soul, of Jor-el is in the film. He survived Krypton? :rolleyes:

I think people here are talking about his life force.yes jor-els life force if you will is in the film, so his life force dying in smallville would be Contradictory

[Kane]

But he was restored as a Kryptonian.

But the only difference between humans and Kryptonians is physical physiology.

Are we assuming their mortal life energy is different?... I think its safe to assume that the life energy is a constant in the universe and Jorel was talking in terms beyond huamnity....otherwise thered be no one to sacrifice.

Ive already stated many times why Jorel cant be the sacrifice, even if you dont believe hes an artificial intelligence and think hes some kind of spirit or lifeforce.....the simple fact is Clark has NEVER said or expressed that he loves Jorel...so for Jorel to assume that Clark loves him and is close to him (especially after the adversarial nature of their relationship over past seasons) is really pushing it.

[avidreader]

But the only difference between humans and Kryptonians is physical physiology.

Are we assuming their mortal life energy is different?... I think its safe to assume that the life energy is a constant in the universe and Jorel was talking in terms beyond huamnity....otherwise thered be no one to sacrifice.

Ive already stated many times why Jorel cant be the sacrifice, even if you dont believe hes an artificial intelligence and think hes some kind of spirit or lifeforce.....the simple fact is Clark has NEVER said or expressed that he loves Jorel...so for Jorel to assume that Clark loves him and is close to him (especially after the adversarial nature of their relationship over past seasons) is really pushing it.

But maybe between now and episode 12, he'll come to understand him and love him. He is his father.

[Kane]

But then we'll have to assume Jorel can see into the future, which is also pushing it.

[avidreader]

But then we'll have to assume Jorel can see into the future, which is also pushing it.

He must be able to. That's why he was brought back to life in the first place, because of his place in earth's future.

[Clarky&Lois]

He must be able to. That's why he was brought back to life in the first place, because of his place in earth's future.lol its not Jo-rel avid!lol:rolleyes:

[mellyM]

But maybe between now and episode 12, he'll come to understand him and love him. He is his father.
Jor El isn't alive, so how can there be a life force? I don't pretend to know how Jor El exists..maybe its like an Obi Wan thing, I don't know..but I doubt he can be killed, and Clark hasn't even really begun learning what he needs to learn from Jor El.
I guess we can debate it forever. but I guess it basically boils down to 4 people on the show as possibilities, meaning everyone that comes after Erica Durance in the credits.

[Kane]

He must be able to. That's why he was brought back to life in the first place, because of his place in earth's future.

Thats pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Jor-el isnt the Spectre.

[avidreader]

Ya know I dont really know, all I'm trying to point out is dont discount this option, as it may be a possibility. For every argument you put forward, there is a rebuttal.I'm feeling a bit :down this afternoon, so dont mind me. :)

[sikkbones]

jor-el was secretly hypertimed from smallville to the clone wars and took anakin skywalker's place and became darth vader

[Kane]

Ya know I dont really know, all I'm trying to point out is dont discount this option, as it may be a possibility. For every argument you put forward, there is a rebuttal.I'm feeling a bit :down this afternoon, so dont mind me. :)

Well considering Smallvilles not in continuity with the comics, and they could do literally anything with it...anythings a possibility.

It doesnt make it likely however.

[muscaremy]

i dont know who the big death is gonna be i dont have a clue cuz they good pull one out of their asses and kill anyone..... also which episode of the season is number 100

[sikkbones]

maybe they kill of johnathan kent and replace him with his cousin driving in from hazzard county in a general lee..

[Zing79]

sorry dude singer and al and miles said repeatedly, they are avoiding any Egregious Mythology Clashes, Jor-el dying in sv would me a major Clash since, Hello,1 hes already dead and 2 hes in the Film! you were saying?:rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure they meant with the ESTABLISHED mythology, not with each other.

If you compare SV with SR you'll have an easier time stating what they have in common then what is different about them. The list of differences is so long you could be at it for hours thinking about all the ways they're clashing with each other.

[muscaremy]

also for anybody whose read it can u tell me where gough hints at another major death cuz ive reread 4-5 times and dont see it.... i just see the sacrifice not being the only death in that ep

[Clarky&Lois]

I'm pretty sure they meant with the ESTABLISHED mythology, not with each other.

If you compare SV with SR you'll have an easier time stating what they have in common then what is different about them. The list of differences is so long you could be at it for hours thinking about all the ways they're clashing with each other.and u would be incorrect sir, they mean each other not established Mythology, thats why they were on the set of the film, and theyve had dinners with singer harris and dougherty, youre incorrect

[Clarky&Lois]

singer can even be quoted as saying " this movie falls somewhere in between Superman 1 &2 and smallville" hes incorporating certain stuff from the first two movies, hes not beholden to them at all. thats where the " Vague History" comes in

[Zing79]

and u would be incorrect sir, they mean each other not established Mythology, thats why they were on the set of the film, and theyve had dinners with singer harris and dougherty, youre incorrect
If I am incorrect may I suggest you bring forth a little something more concrete then 'they hung out'.

If not, I WILL rape you on this board. That's how I roll! I'll take the time out of my day to list off many of the mythology differences between the properties, and once I do that the only thing left for you will be the indignity of seeing any of Hulks OWNED gifs. :eek: :)

[GL1]

Trash talking on a forum? Come now gentelmen, surely we can rise above that...

And isn't there an SV/SR thread right above/below this one anyway?

Regardless, what assurance do we have whether or not this is the last season? If it is not, then there certain characters I'd rather hang on to... if it IS the last season, then just about anybody can pretty much kiss the baby. Besides, if it's NOT the seasons, what the heck are they going to do beyond "Superman in training" and not be a SUPERMAN show?

Is there a season six thread nearby as well?

[muscaremy]

guess my questions dont matter......

[happy]

Executive Producer Alfred Gough revealed in TV Guide that the major character death of someone close to Clark (first teased in "Hidden") will occur in Episode #100. But, Gough has also teased that there will actually be more than one major death in the episode. Let the speculation begin!

there goes mr. kent and chloe. #$%$#%@!!

[Clarky&Lois]

guess my questions dont matter......muscaremy i think it talks about it on K-site

[sikkbones]

lois and cloe have a hot lesbian scene.

[Serene]

also for anybody whose read it can u tell me where gough hints at another major death cuz ive reread 4-5 times and dont see it.... i just see the sacrifice not being the only death in that ep

From K-Site (www.kryptonsite.com) :
- Executive Producer Alfred Gough revealed in TV Guide that the major character death of someone close to Clark (first teased in "Hidden") will occur in Episode #100. But, Gough has also teased that there will actually be more than one major death in the episode. Let the speculation begin!

[avidreader]

From K-Site (http://www.kryptonsite.com/) :
- Executive Producer Alfred Gough revealed in TV Guide that the major character death of someone close to Clark (first teased in "Hidden") will occur in Episode #100. But, Gough has also teased that there will actually be more than one major death in the episode. Let the speculation begin!

Actually DTS has the article scanned, and you get a better idea of the interview from that. So I suggest you go there.

[triplet]

Catch the link to the article here:

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/forums/showthread.php?p=362974#post362974

But what he says is this:

"....it's safe to say it won't be the only death in the episode."

He doesn't say "major death"....

Take that for what it's worth.

[Serene]

"....it's safe to say it won't be the only death in the episode."

He doesn't say "major death"....

Take that for what it's worth.
OHHhhhh.. well that's different then. I guess the field is wide open.

Thanks for the link. :)

[triplet]

Sure.

:D :up:

*hugs*

[Brodie_Bruce]

i believe that chloe will be killed off not because i dont like the character it's because with pete being attacked and Clark getting more hesitant towards revealing his secret and now that chloe knows. If she dies it will really push Clark away from revealing it to anyone close to him (mainly lana) leading to why he doesnt end up with Lana in the end.

[Michael Corleone]

i believe that chloe will be killed off not because i dont like the character it's because with pete being attacked and Clark getting more hesitant towards revealing his secret and now that chloe knows. If she dies it will really push Clark away from revealing it to anyone close to him (mainly lana) leading to why he doesnt end up with Lana in the end.

Yeah but I think Lana will eventually find out.

[Mike_D]

knowing smallville....lionel and the sheriff.

or they kill johnathon and bring him back to life in the next eppy.

[The Incredible Hulk]

If I am incorrect may I suggest you bring forth a little something more concrete then 'they hung out'.

If not, I WILL rape you on this board. That's how I roll! I'll take the time out of my day to list off many of the mythology differences between the properties, and once I do that the only thing left for you will be the indignity of seeing any of Hulks OWNED gifs. :eek: :)

http://www.omgpwned.net/pics/owned/meltbaby.jpg

:D

[muscaremy]

Catch the link to the article here:

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/forums/showthread.php?p=362974#post362974

But what he says is this:

"....it's safe to say it won't be the only death in the episode."

He doesn't say "major death"....

Take that for what it's worth.


THANK YOU LORD ive been tryin to say that but no one listend
jeeeze

[Zing79]

http://www.omgpwned.net/pics/owned/meltbaby.jpg

:D
http://www.pharfruminsain.com/graphics/images/free-MrBurnsExcellent.gif

[Archangel08]

if hte death happens in episode 100, what episode number are we on right now?

[MJZ]

I don't understand this Lana IOU stuff. What, do people think that means she has sex with Lex? I highly doubt that... Frankly, her and Clark are damn near ready to get married at this point, so I can't see anything that dramatic happening.

Keep in mind that they want to do 7 seasons, so I just can't see anything like that happening. If we're also to believe Loeb's work had an influence then I'd expect a For All Seasons-type ending to the series.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Catch the link to the article here:

http://www.devotedfansnetwork.com/forums/showthread.php?p=362974#post362974

But what he says is this:

"....it's safe to say it won't be the only death in the episode."

He doesn't say "major death"....

Take that for what it's worth.

Just because he does NOT say "major death" does NOT mean it can NOT happen in the 100 Episode & the fact he AVOIDED saying any of the deaths being the MAJOR death & has NOT said anything about it being the death mentioned in the premire has me curious. Maybe they are throwing in 2 deaths to throw us off & we won't really know which one Jor El killed till the finale or something. The death CAN happen in the 100 Episode but whos to say the Episode will make it clear that it was THE death. Jor El said Clarks DARKEST hour will SOON come. Until spoilers state otherwise I believe the BIG death will happen in the 100th Episode & Aqua is Episode 92 of the Series (which is the next one)

[muscaremy]

i have feelin the 100th ep will have the MAJOR death and buncho minor deaths via one kick ass battle between clark and brainiac or even possibly sumone else

[KalKai]

i have feelin the 100th ep will have the MAJOR deaths and buncho minor deaths via one kick ass battle between clark and brainiac or even possibly sumone else

that battle will happen earlier, 7th or 8th episode.

[user123456789]

Just because he does NOT say "major death" does NOT mean it can NOT happen in the 100 Episode & the fact he AVOIDED saying any of the deaths being the MAJOR death & has NOT said anything about it being the death mentioned in the premire has me curious. Maybe they are throwing in 2 deaths to throw us off & we won't really know which one Jor El killed till the finale or something. The death CAN happen in the 100 Episode but whos to say the Episode will make it clear that it was THE death. Jor El said Clarks DARKEST hour will SOON come. Until spoilers state otherwise I believe the BIG death will happen in the 100th Episode & Aqua is Episode 92 of the Series (which is the next one)

overanalyze much?

this is why i smoke reefer.

[Laa Dee Dah]

I read the first page and couldn't be bothered to read the rest, so I'm sorry if someone already mentioned this - but why are people saying It could be Jor-El?

Umm, he's dead already

[AgentPat]

I read the first page and couldn't be bothered to read the rest, so I'm sorry if someone already mentioned this - but why are people saying It could be Jor-El?

Umm, he's dead alreadyYeah, umm... it does help to read the posts. I believe folks are referring to the non-corporeal essence of Jor-El that's currently in Lionel. I forget the exact wording he uses, but it's explained in the FOS scene in Hidden.

[RakuMon]

Does Jor-El say "someone you love will DIE?" or did he say "the life of someone you love will be exchanged for yours."

Because, though it's just semantics, the latter sentence isn't quite the same thing. ;)

[AgentPat]

Does Jor-El say "someone you love will DIE?" or did he say "the life of someone you love will be exchanged for yours."

Because, though it's just semantics, the latter sentence isn't quite the same thing. ;)I've gotta watch the scene again. But you're right; I think there might be a slight misdirection with syntax there.

[The Incredible Hulk]

if hte death happens in episode 100, what episode number are we on right now?


Aqua will be episode #92.

The 12th episode of this season will be #100

[BusterBunny]

cool 8 more eps to go and counting! YAY!:D

[AgentPat]

Aqua will be episode #92.

The 12th episode of this season will be #100I can only imagine all the goodies they're gonna squeeze into the 100th episode. Not only is it a benchmark for any TV show (100 eps assures it of extra dinero through syndication), but it's the 12th ep of the season, which traditionally ends with a good cliffhanger to keep people salivating through the hiatus.

Episodes I can't WAIT to see:
Aqua
Splinter
Solitude
100th

Episodes that have me a wee bit concerned:
Exposed
Lexmas
Fanatic

Wild card:
Thirst (I bet this will be the fifth season's version of Spell - people will either love it or hate it.)

[OobeDoobBenubi]

The 100th Episode usually = one of the best Episodes ever in a Show. Heck look at how great Angel's 100 Episode is :up:

& so far the only Episode that has me worried is "Lex Mas"

[triplet]

Does Jor-El say "someone you love will DIE?" or did he say "the life of someone you love will be exchanged for yours."

Because, though it's just semantics, the latter sentence isn't quite the same thing. ;)

Actually, I think he said it both ways...

[avidreader]

I can only imagine all the goodies they're gonna squeeze into the 100th episode. Not only is it a benchmark for any TV show (100 eps assures it of extra dinero through syndication), but it's the 12th ep of the season, which traditionally ends with a good cliffhanger to keep people salivating through the hiatus.

Episodes I can't WAIT to see:
Aqua
Splinter
Solitude
100th

Episodes that have me a wee bit concerned:
Exposed
Lexmas
Fanatic

Wild card:
Thirst (I bet this will be the fifth season's version of Spell - people will either love it or hate it.)

The 100th episode is screening next February. Wouldnt that be after the hiatus?

[triplet]

I can only imagine all the goodies they're gonna squeeze into the 100th episode. Not only is it a benchmark for any TV show (100 eps assures it of extra dinero through syndication), but it's the 12th ep of the season, which traditionally ends with a good cliffhanger to keep people salivating through the hiatus.

Episodes I can't WAIT to see:
Aqua
Splinter
Solitude
100th

Episodes that have me a wee bit concerned:
Exposed
Lexmas
Fanatic

Wild card:
Thirst (I bet this will be the fifth season's version of Spell - people will either love it or hate it.)

We're thinking the same things on this: Exposed, Lexmas and Fanatic all have me a wee bit concerned as well and I'm looking forward to Aqua, Splinter, Solitude and the 100th ep.

Thirst could really go either way...

I think I'm especially looking forward to Splinter since the new spoilers on Ask Ausiello (http://www.tvguide.com/News/AskAusiello) has the silver kryptonite showing up in that episode... The effects that have on Clark sounds intriguing and will probably make for some good TV.

[AgentPat]

The 100th episode is screening next February. Wouldnt that be after the hiatus?Hmm... maybe the spring hiatus? You're right tho, that ep isn't due to air till '06. My bad.

Still can't wait to see it! :D

[triplet]

:D

You know, all I see is a "don't steal my bandwidth" image that is frickin' huge....

[AgentPat]

We're thinking the same things on this: Exposed, Lexmas and Fanatic all have me a wee bit concerned as well and I'm looking forward to Aqua, Splinter, Solitude and the 100th ep.

Thirst could really go either way...

I think I'm especially looking forward to Splinter since the new spoilers on Ask Ausiello (http://www.tvguide.com/News/AskAusiello) has the silver kryptonite showing up in that episode... The effects that have on Clark sounds intriguing and will probably make for some good TV.Yeah, Splinter and Solitude is when Brainiac plays his mind games with Clark. I'm all over that like a bad suit (obscure pun intended.)

I see Thirst being like Spell because of their similarity in genres (witches vs. vampires) and how some fans will probably complain about such storylines being out of place in SV. We'll see. I was VERY excited about Spell last year because of the promo pics that were released before it aired. Maybe we need something like that this year? LOL

[triplet]

Yeah, Splinter and Solitude is when Brainiac plays his mind games with Clark. I'm all over that like a bad suit (obscure pun intended.)

That should be great! I can't wait to see Brainiac really getting evil with Clark!

(The TC lover in me is doing a happy dance... :D :up: )

I see Thirst being like Spell because of their similarity in genres (witches vs. vampires) and how some fans will probably complain about such storylines being out of place in SV. We'll see. I was VERY excited about Spell last year because of the promo pics that were released before it aired. Maybe we need something like that this year? LOL

Yeah, that's kinda how I thought it would be too...

If they release photos let's hope they got some of Tom in whatever costume he's going to wearing with a cape...

It'd be funny if it were a batman costume, except for a mask covering his face that is, but whatever kind of costume it is here's hoping it's skin tight!

:up:

[avidreader]

Hmm... maybe the spring hiatus? You're right tho, that ep isn't due to air till '06. My bad.

Still can't wait to see it! :D

One of the rare of rarest occasions that you've been wrong. I'll let this one go by the way side, but dont start making a habit of it okay. :D

[AgentPat]

One of the rare of rarest occasions that you've been wrong. I'll let this one go by the way side, but dont start making a habit of it okay. :DLOL!! I dunno, for some reason I was thinking winter hiatus.

I read the spoilers when they first come out and then promptly forget 'em unless there's something especially noteworthy. Only time I know there's been an "update" is when it gets posted here. I have a fairly narrow focus on SV news *ahem* :D

[musclesforsupes]

Good bye chloe its been nice knowing ya.

[triplet]

:rolleyes:

[musclesforsupes]

Come on trip you know its gotta be the chloester. I doubt Pa will be knocked off this soon.

[triplet]

I won't believe it until I see it. I've given my reasons, but I guess only time will tell.

[musclesforsupes]

Chloe isnt that important anyway

[triplet]

:mad:

[avidreader]

Chloe isnt that important anyway

I think if you said that anywhere else, you might start a war. ;)

I read the spoilers when they first come out and then promptly forget 'em unless there's something especially noteworthy. Only time I know there's been an "update" is when it gets posted here. I have a fairly narrow focus on SV news *ahem* :D

I think the confusion probably comes from the season starting a little later this year.

I dont think your news radar is narrow minded, he is the Star.

[Brainiac 8]

My theory is that it will be Jonothan. They mentioned two people dieing, one close to Clark and the other probably not. What if it is Jonothan and Lionel.


Think how the deaths would mirror each other. Clark and Lex's fathers dieing at the same time. Lex killing his, and Clark's dieing due to the terms of ressurection.

Also it would cement the opposite paths each must take. It would cement Lex's journey on the path of darkness, and it would also cement Clark's journey on the path of light. It would be a great reflection of each path, that the father's death is what ultimately chose who they became.

Just a thought.:) :up:

[Triligors]

They kill Chloe, they kill Daily Planet pretty much. So, how would that make sense?

[Triligors]

So....

[Triligors]

Brainiac- perfectly said, that's another reason why I believe it's Jonathon and Lionel. Because Lex and Clark become "mirrors" of each other that head off into different destinys. Also, couldn's Jor-El somehow give Jonathon a heart attack or something along those lines?

[triplet]

My theory is that it will be Jonothan. They mentioned two people dieing, one close to Clark and the other probably not. What if it is Jonothan and Lionel.


Think how the deaths would mirror each other. Clark and Lex's fathers dieing at the same time. Lex killing his, and Clark's dieing due to the terms of ressurection.

Also it would cement the opposite paths each must take. It would cement Lex's journey on the path of darkness, and it would also cement Clark's journey on the path of light. It would be a great reflection of each path, that the father's death is what ultimately chose who they became.

Just a thought.:) :up:

Good thought! :up:

[rumpuso]

They kill Chloe, they kill Daily Planet pretty much. So, how would that make sense?
I'm not sure I understand...how will killing Chloe bring about the downfall of the Daily Planet?

[triplet]

I think he means in terms of the show using the Daily Planet as a backdrop for any stories.

That's another good point that may indicate that Chloe will survive past episode #100...

[avidreader]

I dunno, neither Chloe or Jonathan is sitting right with me. Killing of these characters right now just doesnt seem to be the right thing.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

They kill Chloe, they kill Daily Planet pretty much. So, how would that make sense?

Not true

They if they killed Chloe then Lois Lane will want to take her place as a Reporter to make Chloe proud :up:

Although I do NOT like the fact we are even seen the Daily Planet period. Stuff like that should ENTIRELY be saved for when Clark moves to Metropolis.

[Sentinel X]

If Chloe dies Im gionna be sad for months...I LOVE her charecter so much. :(

WHos most likely gonna die:Chloe and Lionell
Who I want to die:Lionell

[DarthSkywalker]

Killing Chloe kills the show. She is the one character of this show that shows true promise outside of Clark, and doing that would leave this show without its heart. Character's importance is more then their place in continuity, especially when you are talking about a show where they already have killed the that concept.

If i had to say anyone it would be Lex, Lionel, and/or Brainiac. We all know that one character has to be connected to Clark. Lex "Dying" and coming back or the Lex we knew finally be "Gone" could be one of them. If not that, Lionel will bite it. He will become a father to Clark, and then ripped away from him. Probably by Lex. There is also the off chance that if the big battle between Brainiac and Clark goes down in this episode, that Brainiac can "erase" Jor-El from the FOS effectively killing him. But i would say Papa and Chloe are fine.

The other will either be Brainiac (Do this and they kill the season) or one of the two Kryptonians.

But i am praying for the incredible twist of fate, and that Lana bites it for good.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Killing Chloe kills the show. She is the one character of this show that shows true promise outside of Clark, and doing that would leave this show without its heart. Character's importance is more then their place in continuity, especially when you are talking about a show where they already have killed the that concept.

If i had to say anyone it would be Lex, Lionel, and/or Brainiac. We all know that one character has to be connected to Clark. Lex "Dying" and coming back or the Lex we knew finally be "Gone" could be one of them. If not that, Lionel will bite it. He will become a father to Clark, and then ripped away from him. Probably by Lex. There is also the off chance that if the big battle between Brainiac and Clark goes down in this episode, that Brainiac can "erase" Jor-El from the FOS effectively killing him. But i would say Papa and Chloe are fine.

The other will either be Brainiac (Do this and they kill the season) or one of the two Kryptonians.

But i am praying for the incredible twist of fate, and that Lana bites it for good.

Thing is the person who dies is someone Clark LOVES & Clark does NOT love Jor El at all or Lex or any of the Luthors.

It is someone CLOSE TO CLARK THAT WILL DIE SOMEONE CLARK LOVES

That whole post of yours = kinda useless

The person that dies will be someone Clark LOVES & the people you would rather have die are people thatClark does NOT love & the most expandable one is Chloe.

[DarthSkywalker]

You seem to be missing the point. You assume that the one that will die is important to him now. There are 9 episodes till that date correct? So last i checked that is about 5 months in "tv" time. A lot will happen, and one thing i see is Clark getting close to Lionel/Jor-El, causing the love that is already there to finally be shown. He is still after all his father. Whether he wants to agree or not.

Also Clark does love Lex. He doesn't just stop loving people. He is angry with him, but they where close for many years.

Last, but certainly not least. One person Clark loves will die. One. The other could be a KKK member for all we know. We have no idea what place this character holds in Clark's heart.

[War Lord]

Does this mean Pete is coming back?

It kinda makes sense that they'd bring him back for a couple of episodes and then kill him off. It'd give WB an out to have a death without adversely affecting the storyline.

[DarthSkywalker]

I actually wouldn't mind that. They really shouldn't be getting rid of anyone right now, considering they are actually making it work for possibly the first time in the 5 years of this run.

Keep the core (Clark, Chloe, The Kents, The Luthors, Lois, and i guess Lana) and kill off some random characters and/or returning ones.

[KalKai]

yeah sure, get him back for an episode and kill him in the next 1, lol Pete is never coming back.

[DarthSkywalker]

Hey this show brought back Alicia last year to do just that.

[Triligors]

Alicia played an important role in Clark's life. That was the first death of a person he loved and he felt and probably still feels that it was his fault, which will make the death in ep. 100 all the more harder, "I caused another person to die" sort of scenario.

As for Chloe dieing? Doesn't make that much sense, Gough and Millar said that this season will be alot of "true crime" episodes using Chloe's resources at the Daily Planet. They kill Chloe, they kill most possible opening for "true crime" episodes which they stated was going to be more than "kryptonite freaks." Also, introduce the Daily Planet just episodes before Chloe bites the dust? Lois for now isn't a reporter, she also doesn't know Clark's identity- therefore it would just be a day job and not a "sidekick" to Clark.

I know most of you are saying Chloe because:
1) Lana can't die
2) Lex doesn't die
3) Martha doesn't die
4) Jonathon can't die
5) Lionell can die- but, isn't close to Clark

Which leaves the race being: Lana, Chloe and Jonathon. My views-
1) Lana lives
2) Chloe is too important in episode set ups now that we will have the Daily Planet
3) Jonathon is VERY possible, heck- everyone knows he dies sometime

Thus, we have JC dieing in episode 100. This might be the second last season of Smallville and JC's death will lead Clark into becoming Superman. Maybe Lex kills Jonathon in some way or another, possibly accidental because the patient he let out of the asylum got to insane in his goals of eliminating Lex's mayoral competition. Clark finds out, Lex tells him it wasn't him, but doesn't believe him. Or something like that- a major cut between the two that will NEVER be healed.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Chloe the "heart" of the show? :confused: When the heck did I log on to K-Site? :confused:

[Brainiac 8]

Chloe the "heart" of the show? :confused: When the heck did I log on to K-Site? :confused:

LOL:D
I love Chloe, but the heart of the show? That's a stretch.

[avidreader]

Well I dont agree that she's the heart of the show, but I do agree with what Trillogers said about the crime stories this season. From what we can see of the spoilers the only crime story that Chloe draws Clark into is Exposed. So if we're having Superman in training he's not going to be drawn much into his training without his sidekick.

I'm still going to go with the Jor-el/Lionel scenario. I just think Jonathan dying as a consequence of Clark's actions would be too devestating for him. It wouldnt work for the character of Superman.

[AgentPat]

Just thought I'd toss another bizarre idea into this discussion...

Schneider said he was signed through the end of the season, or something to that effect. A lot of people have taken that to mean he'd be in the show till the end of the season. Well, yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Jonathan will actually be "alive." He could still be in the show even if he dies. Stamp has been a part of the show since the second season, and his character, Jor-El, is long dead. There's also the possibility of dream or flashback sequences.

More radically, SV could do what they do best: introduce something totally new to the mythos. Jor-El was able to bottle his memory and will and launch it from both animate and inanimate objects (Clark's ship, the Kawachi caves, the FOS, Lionel, etc.) Why couldn't the same thing be done with Jonathan? Now wouldn't THAT rock the mythos just a wee bit? *snicker*

<- loves Smallville!! :up: :D

[mellyM]

Just thought I'd toss another bizarre idea into this discussion...

Schneider said he was signed through the end of the season, or something to that effect. A lot of people have taken that to mean he'd be in the show till the end of the season. Well, yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Jonathan will actually be "alive." He could still be in the show even if he dies. Stamp has been a part of the show since the second season, and his character, Jor-El, is long dead. There's also the possibility of dream or flashback sequences.

More radically, SV could do what they do best: introduce something totally new to the mythos. Jor-El was able to bottle his memory and will and launch it from both animate and inanimate objects (Clark's ship, the Kawachi caves, the FOS, Lionel, etc.) Why couldn't the same thing be done with Jonathan? Now wouldn't THAT rock the mythos just a wee bit? *snicker*

<- loves Smallville!! :up: :D
lol..um, that'd be just a bit too weird and I think I'd have to start looking for something else to watch...ok, maybe not, but still.

And being signed for all eps just means he'll get paid for his contract right? Doesn't mean they can't kill him. I really hate that we even have to discuss it..can't they just leave the cast intact? And how exactly will Clark survive if he's the reason someone he loves dies?? Who can handle something like, especially him..do they have therapist for superheroes somewhere??

[DarthSkywalker]

Chloe the "heart" of the show? :confused: When the heck did I log on to K-Site? :confused:

Since she was the only one capable of acting from episode one? In all serious, she is the "Spike" of this show. Character wasn't all that much at first. But she has become as important as Clark on this show.

[triplet]

I think Chloe is important, and thus shouldn't be one of the ones bumped off, but she's hardly the "heart of the show" - that's Clark.

Without Clark, there'd be no show.

While I would miss her, the show could easily continue without dear Chloe.

Lex is about the only other totally indespensible person on the show with Lana coming in third.

Everyone else, I think, is probably fair game. Including Chloe.

[avidreader]

lol..um, that'd be just a bit too weird and I think I'd have to start looking for something else to watch...ok, maybe not, but still.

And being signed for all eps just means he'll get paid for his contract right? Doesn't mean they can't kill him. I really hate that we even have to discuss it..can't they just leave the cast intact? And how exactly will Clark survive if he's the reason someone he loves dies?? Who can handle something like, especially him..do they have therapist for superheroes somewhere??

That's why I dont think it will be Jonathan. There arent gonna be a whole lot of people out there that know JS was signed through to the end of the season, and I believe they are probably building it up for the audience to think its going to Jonathan, because of all of his heart problems etc.

Its not gonna be Chloe, she contributes in driving Clark to extend his power of helping people outside of Smallville.

I know everyone says Jor-el is dead. But this guy has been able to do alot from the other side of the grave, he's more than an AI. He had real emotion in Hidden last week. What kind of an AI wants to hug his son and tell him that he loves him.

I'm sure deep down Clark loves Jor-el. He acknowledged in Sacred last year that he's never lied to him, and that maybe he's preparing him for something. In Commencement he went to him to seek his guidance. Clark doesnt have any animosity towards the guy, and as episode 12 approaches I'm sure we will see how much Clark cares about his biological parents.

[DarthSkywalker]

I think Chloe is important, and thus shouldn't be one of the ones bumped off, but she's hardly the "heart of the show" - that's Clark.

Without Clark, there'd be no show.

While I would miss her, the show could easily continue without dear Chloe.

Lex is about the only other totally indespensible person on the show with Lana coming in third.

Everyone else, I think, is probably fair game. Including Chloe.

Fine backbone. Either way, the show isn't enjoyable with out her. And since when did Lana become indespensible? She is not only the worse character/actress on the show, but has already served here purpose. Lex i agree is safe just for what he has to do.

And Clark has only recently become the character he should of been from day one. i don't see how just because he is the title character, means he is the heart of the show. Angel and Buffy where the title characters. The shows lose all their appeal without the supporting cast.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Since she was the only one capable of acting from episode one? In all serious, she is the "Spike" of this show. Character wasn't all that much at first. But she has become as important as Clark on this show.

As important as Clark? :eek: Hardly. Good god, my browser says SHH! but for some reason I think I'm on those awful K-Site boards......Chloe's significance on the show went out the window the day Lois Lane showed up. She was Lois Lane Light for the first 3 years of the show, then when the real thing showed up her character became pointless in season 4. The writers let her in on the secret to give her character some significance, but that's only going to last so long. There are only two characters that are truely important for this show, Clark and Lex. Hell out of everyone, Chloe's down at the bottom of the barrell with Lionel, because she doesnt exist in any other part of the legend.

And she was "the only one capable of acting from episode one"? What show were you watching? :confused: She maybe had a step on Tom, but outside of that she was WAY behind the likes of Glover, O'Toole, Schneider, and Rosenbaum. Heck even Kreuk had more experience under her belt going into the show. (Just because you dislike her character on the show doesnt make her a poor actress.) BTW You ever notice that Mack is the only one of the young actors that doesnt seem to do anything outside of Smallville? Why do you think that is?

In all serious, she is the "Spike" of this show

the fact that you rate her acting talents or appeal at the level of a trained theatre thespian like Marsters is going overboard a wee bit, Doncha think?

[triplet]

Fine backbone. Either way, the show isn't enjoyable with out her. And since when did Lana become indespensible? She is not only the worse character/actress on the show, but has already served here purpose. Lex i agree is safe just for what he has to do.

Well, she is the second lead and one third of the major love triangle in the show, so yeah. Lana would probably be hard to get rid of.

Don't get me wrong, I love Chloe and think she serves a very important purpose on the show dramatically, but she's not critical. Not as much as Lana or Lex, anyway.

Maybe she'd be fourth on my do not kill list but she's hardly indespensible.....

And Clark has only recently become the character he should of been from day one. i don't see how just because he is the title character, means he is the heart of the show. Angel and Buffy where the title characters. The shows lose all their appeal without the supporting cast.

You don't have a show without Clark, if that's not the heart of the show I don't who else would qualify but it's not Chloe.

[avidreader]

You don't have a show without Clark, if that's not the heart of the show I don't who else would qualify but it's not Chloe.

I was starting to wonder if I'd been watching this show and not getting it. I'm glad someone else thinks like me. :rolleyes: ;)

[triplet]

As much as I'd hate to see Chloe go, there's no show without Clark. How can you have a show about Superman's journey to pulling on the tights without Superman?

He's the heart of the show. :supes:

[rumpuso]

Since she was the only one capable of acting from episode one? In all serious, she is the "Spike" of this show. Character wasn't all that much at first. But she has become as important as Clark on this show.
Not to me. I like her fine, but she doesn't hold my attention. If Clark isn't in the scene with her, I find myself not as interested.

[avidreader]

I find that with alot of scenes that Clark isnt in. I just want to be whereever he is. ;)

[DarthSkywalker]

As important as Clark? Hardly. Good god, my browser says SHH! but for some reason I think I'm on those awful K-Site boards......Chloe's significance on the show went out the window the day Lois Lane showed up. She was Lois Lane Light for the first 3 years of the show, then when the real thing showed up her character became pointless in season 4. The writers let her in on the secret to give her character some significance, but that's only going to last so long.

And she was "the only one capable of acting from episode one"? What show were you watching? :confused: She maybe had a step on Tom, but outside of that she was WAY behind the likes of Glover, O'Toole, Schneider, and Rosenbaum. Heck even Kreuk had more experience under her belt going into the show. (Just because you dislike her character on the show doesnt make her a poor actress.) BTW You ever notice that Mack is the only one of the young actors that doesnt seem to do anything outside of Smallville? Why do you think that is?



the fact that you rate her acting talents at the level of a trained theatre thespian like Marsters is going overboard a wee bit, Doncha think?

I never said she was half the actor Marsters is. He is far beyond anyone on this show, and is probably my favorite living actor.

But i was not comparing acting ability (Though Mack is good), but here character's importance to the show to that of Spike's. If you have watched Buffy and/or Angel you would realize that for the first half of his run he was an "expendable" character. He was a smart mouthed Angel in terms of the story. Very much like Chloe. But both characters grew to be something else, and grew far more important as the series went on.

And James has done little outside of Buffy/Angel, and yet i think many would agree that he was far and away better then everyone not named Wes or Fred.

As to Glover. Loved him at first, and he knocked it out of the park last episode. But he has been terrible at times, especially last season. Watching him attempt to play Clark was just bad, and he has struggle to play anything outside of evil.

O'Toole when she preaches is good.... but not so much outside of that. Schneider is similar, but he has really nailed the father/son moments.

Rosenbaum is the most overrated in the bunch. His one big chance to prove something in Onyx, and he showed he didn't get Lex at all.

Kreuk could have the most experience in the world.... still doesn't do anything for her attempts at thoughtful looks that end up looking very much like their is nothing there to find.

As to her being Lois light i would agree, if the writers hadn't wrote Lois as Chloe light.

And what the hell does this have to do with that K-Site you continue to bring up? Is it have to fathom that some people could believe the same thing? Christians have been doing it for centuries.

To many of don't seem to get that a show can be about someone, and the main character doesn't drive it. That has been the case for the first 4 years of this show, which is why i don't think it was all that good. It was dependent to much on the others to carry this show.

[rumpuso]

I think Chloe is important, and thus shouldn't be one of the ones bumped off, but she's hardly the "heart of the show" - that's Clark.

Without Clark, there'd be no show.

While I would miss her, the show could easily continue without dear Chloe.

Lex is about the only other totally indespensible person on the show with Lana coming in third.

Everyone else, I think, is probably fair game. Including Chloe.
Yep, this show is about Clark and Lex. Lana has really played out her importance. I really enjoy Clark and Lana so far this season, but I would be fine if she was the sacrifice...however, I don't see that happening since Al and Miles feel Smallville is a triangle with Clark, Lex and Lana as the main core.

[avidreader]

I could be wrong, but doesnt DC have something to say about which characters they kill off. I think Lana, and Pete, would be two definite no no's, along with Lois & Lex.

[triplet]

I could be wrong, but doesnt DC have something to say about which characters they kill off. I think Lana, and Pete, would be two definite no no's, along with Lois & Lex.

Lois's death wouldn't even be thinkable, considering they marry later...

Lana and Pete both have important roles in Clark's later life, so I don't think they could kick it either. Lex, of course, is Clark's biggest adversary later, so he's safe.

[DarthSkywalker]

Lois's death wouldn't even be thinkable, considering they marry later...

Lana and Pete both have important roles in Clark's later life, so I don't think they could kick it either. Lex, of course, is Clark's biggest adversary later, so he's safe.

I would agree if not for the fact that they have already shown they don't care to much about what has happened in past Superman myths.

[triplet]

I think that there are some things TPTB won't fool with and killing Lex, Lana, Lois or Pete would probably qualify.

I think at least those four will live past the 100th episode.

Chloe, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about.... As much as I think it would be a mistake, I would admit that it's possible she's on the chopping block.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I never said she was half the actor Marsters is. He is far beyond anyone on this show, and is probably my favorite living actor.

But i was not comparing acting ability (Though Mack is good), but here character's importance to the show to that of Spike's. If you have watched Buffy and/or Angel you would realize that for the first half of his run he was an "expendable" character. He was a smart mouthed Angel in terms of the story. Very much like Chloe. But both characters grew to be something else, and grew far more important as the series went on.

And what is Chloe's "importance" on the show now? If anything she became less important as the show's worn on. Like I said, once Lois Lane came along, she became an expendable character. That I believe, was the whole reason they let her in on the secret this year, because they didnt seem to really know what they to do with her character anymore. But how long does that novelty last? And that certainly doesnt make her that important, as we saw with Pete Ross.


And James has done little outside of Buffy/Angel, and yet i think many would agree that he was far and away better then everyone not named Wes or Fred.

Yes but he's got the theater background, where he honed his skills. ANd he's continuing to do theater work even after Smallville is over.


As to Glover. Loved him at first, and he knocked it out of the park last episode. But he has been terrible at times, especially last season. Watching him attempt to play Clark was just bad, and he has struggle to play anything outside of evil.

Your kidding right? Glover was playing a bland farmboy I wasnt sure what you were expecting out him? If you'd like to see Glover play something thats not evil, check out any of the films/plays he was in on his IMDB preview.

Rosenbaum is the most overrated in the bunch. His one big chance to prove something in Onyx, and he showed he didn't get Lex at all.

What exactly didnt he get about Lex? :confused:


As to her being Lois light i would agree, if the writers hadn't wrote Lois as Chloe light.

Umm no, sorry, try again. Chloe was written as a young Lois Lane for the show from Day 1. You cant say Lois was written as Chloe Lite, sine Chloe originated from the Lois Lane character. It makes no sense


And what the hell does this have to do with that K-Site you continue to bring up? Is it have to fathom that some people could believe the same thing? Christians have been doing it for centuries.

The K-Site forums are a cess pool of frustrated ex-Buffy fans who show unabashed fangirl love for Chloe and think she's the focal point of the show. While also mercilessly ripping anything Lana/Kristen does to shreds. To give you an idea of how bad it is, they start a thread about how Chloe would turn out to be Lois Lane, and even after the producers said "No" and they brought Lois Lane herself on the show, they still refused to believe it, and all wrote fan fiction about how it should have been done, stating that they "wouldnt count" the shows that Durance's Lois character actually appeared in. :rolleyes: Your comments in this thread seemed to fall right in line with the drivel you'd read at that horrible place. People here are usually much more open-minded and have less character bias, and we dont engage in other stupidity like "shipping" like they do. If you're not from there (which I'd bet you probably are), you should check it out....

[The Incredible Hulk]

I would agree if not for the fact that they have already shown they don't care to much about what has happened in past Superman myths.

Oh no? :confused: How so?

[avidreader]

And what is Chloe's "importance" on the show now? If anything she became less important as the show's worn on. Like I said, once Lois Lane came along, she became an expendable character. That I believe, was the whole reason they let her in on the secret this year, because they didnt seem to really know what they to do with her character anymore. But how long does that novelty last? And that certainly doesnt make her that important, as we saw with Pete Ross.


I believe she was let in on the secret to draw Clark out of Smallville and into Metropolis.

I guess another way they could have done this was to have Clark attend MetU. However, its probably more exciting for him to have a sidekick.

[Serene]

Since she was the only one capable of acting from episode one? In all serious, she is the "Spike" of this show. Character wasn't all that much at first. But she has become as important as Clark on this show.

What color exactly is the sky in your world?

No Clark = No Show. He, and he alone, is the heart and driving force of this show. Everyone else is just there to support *his* story. I'm including Lex and Lana in that.. and <some of you> KNOW how much I love Lex and Lana!

[DarthSkywalker]

And what is Chloe's "importance" on the show now? If anything she became less important as the show's worn on. Like I said, once Lois Lane came along, she became an expendable character. That I believe, was the whole reason they let her in on the secret this year, because they didnt seem to really know what they to do with her character anymore. But how long does that novelty last? And that certainly doesnt make her that important, as we saw with Pete Ross.

And who exactly else can play Clark's sidekick? I mean even if he told Lana, she isn't exactly the brighest caryon in the box, and he can't tell Lois.

Yes but he's got the theater background, where he honed his skills. ANd he's continuing to do theater work even after Smallville is over.

I know. But you seem to believe that because the others on Smallville have done more then Mack that makes them better.



Your kidding right? Glover was playing a bland farmboy I wasnt sure what you were expecting out him? If you'd like to see Glover play something thats not evil, check out any of the films/plays he was in on his IMDB preview.

I might check that stuff out. As to playing a bland farm boy, Clark has proven to never be that. And in such a situation i don't think he would suddenly fall back on that. Though i think he played him a little more like someone that just took a hit then anything.



What exactly didnt he get about Lex? :confused:

He played him as more smart mouthed then dangerous. The Lex i enjoy is more sinister and does more with a look then he does with the thousand words per second he can spit out. Why i love Spacey for the movie.



Umm no, sorry, try again. Chloe was written as a young Lois Lane for the show from Day 1. You cant say Lois was written as Chloe Lite, sine Chloe originated from the Lois Lane character. It makes no sense

You can say that when you bring in Lois, and make Chloe superior to her. Just like if Superman suddenly showed up in a Captain Marvel show and started being outclassed by him.

I am not talking acting here, but the writers. They have done nothing to show Lois for what she really is.



The K-Site forums are a cess pool of frustrated ex-Buffy fans who show unabashed fangirl love for Chloe and think she's the focal point of the show. While also mercilessly ripping anything Lana/Kristen does to shreds. To give you an idea of how bad it is, they start a thread about how Chloe would turn out to be Lois Lane, and even after the producers said "No" and they brought Lois Lane herself on the show, they still refused to believe it, and all wrote fan fiction about how it should have been done, stating that they "wouldnt count" the shows that Durance's Lois character actually appeared in. :rolleyes: Your comments in this thread seemed to fall right in line with the drivel you'd read at that horrible place. People here are usually much more open-minded and have less character bias, and we dont engage in other stupidity like "shipping" like they do. If you're not from there (which I'd bet you probably are), you should check it out....

1. Current Buffy fan. Yeah so what if it is over.

2. Lana/Kristen probably gets ripped to shreds because she isn't good. Granted she is very easy on the eyes, but the character has been beyond terribly written and acted.

3. That Lois/Chloe stuff is downright stupid.

4. Shipping? So enjoying a character is now shipping?

Oh no? :confused: How so?

Lois Lane. I love her, and think Erica has done a fine job. But she should of never have shown up. That and the fact that Lex knows Clark is at least a freak.

And unless Clark goes around kissing everyone ala Superman 2 or Zatanna shows up. It really doesn't make a lick of sense.

What color exactly is the sky in your world?

No Clark = No Show. He, and he alone, is the heart and driving force of this show. Everyone else is just there to support *his* story. I'm including Lex and Lana in that.. and <some of you> KNOW how much I love Lex and Lana!

Today blue. Though the clouds are rolling in.

And if i remember correctly LOTR is the story of Frodo no? Would his story be possible without the other 8?

Yes it is Clark's story. But without others it isn't a show. That is like saying we can do this show on the moon with Superman by himself, and it would still be good. What is a character without his relationships to others? Nothing.

[triplet]

http://www.sfrisch.com/images/merry_go.jpg

There's no winning an argument here....

[avidreader]

And who exactly else can play Clark's sidekick? I mean even if he told Lana, she isn't exactly the brighest caryon in the box, and he can't tell Lois.


Well Superman doesnt need a side kick, I believe he works on his own. But as Clark is not working at the Daily Planet and getting feed on what's happening in Metropolis, Chloe works well for him in that respect.


He played him as more smart mouthed then dangerous. The Lex i enjoy is more sinister and does more with a look then he does with the thousand words per second he can spit out. Why i love Spacey for the movie.

But that's Lex without the benefit of having Alexander removed. Alexander is the smart mouth and Lex is the thinker.

I am not talking acting here, but the writers. They have done nothing to show Lois for what she really is.

I think Lois showed us many times last year why she is the woman she becomes. Did you see Crusade when she outsmarted Lionel during the prison scene?


1. Current Buffy fan. Yeah so what if it is over.

Well I'm sure there are plenty of Buffy websites out there, why do they always have to bring it into Smallville forums as if its some kind of benchmark.

2. Lana/Kristen probably gets ripped to shreds because she isn't good. Granted she is very easy on the eyes, but the character has been beyond terribly written and acted.

I think that's a matter of opinion. She is shown to be like any girl of the age of 18 who may have been through everything that she has been through in her life.

4. Shipping? So enjoying a character is now shipping?

Yeh, but over at Ksite they cant see or accept relationships beyond what they want to see.

Lois Lane. I love her, and think Erica has done a fine job. But she should of never have shown up. That and the fact that Lex knows Clark is at least a freak.

It gives us a new twist on the story, which alot of us find appealing.

And unless Clark goes around kissing everyone ala Superman 2 or Zatanna shows up. It really doesn't make a lick of sense.

The series isnt done yet.


Yes it is Clark's story. But without others it isn't a show. That is like saying we can do this show on the moon with Superman by himself, and it would still be good. What is a character without his relationships to others? Nothing.

That is true, but your picture on things was that he wasnt the heart and soul of the show, when in fact he very clearly is. Not only is it the journey of Clark Kent but the whole show is seen through the eyes of Clark Kent. Every other character is there to enhance the character of Clark Kent, making him the heart of the show.

[DarthSkywalker]

Well Superman doesnt need a side kick, I believe he works on his own. But as Clark is not working at the Daily Planet and getting feed on what's happening in Metropolis, Chloe works well for him in that respect.

Well he isn't Superman yet, and right now a sidekick is what he needs now imho.

But that's Lex without the benefit of having Alexander removed. Alexander is the smart mouth and Lex is the thinker.

Yes so why did he play him as a smart mouth?

I think Lois showed us many times last year why she is the woman she becomes. Did you see Crusade when she outsmarted Lionel during the prison scene?.

Yes, but Chloe has done such things, and on grander scale. One thing i really hated about the season opener was the change to Lana outsmarting the 2 baddies, instead of Lois.


Well I'm sure there are plenty of Buffy websites out there, why do they always have to bring it into Smallville forums as if its some kind of benchmark.

Buffy and Angel are the benchmark for such shows. But i don't always bring it up. I haven't even posted all that much in here.

I think that's a matter of opinion. She is shown to be like any girl of the age of 18 who may have been through everything that she has been through in her life.

Really? They all look starry eyed, and act like an airhead.

Yeh, but over at Ksite they cant see or accept relationships beyond what they want to see.

And that is there problem. Though considering these shows are watched for personal enjoyment, i can see why they want to see what they want.

It gives us a new twist on the story, which alot of us find appealing.

Oh i agree, but the point is that it shows they haven't been all that loyal to the past tellings. They have shown they will do what they want. I for one love Lois being there.


The series isnt done yet.

Yeah, but are people going to suddenly lose their memories? If that is the case, it is complete cop out.

That is true, but your picture on things was that he wasnt the heart and soul of the show, when in fact he very clearly is. Not only is it the journey of Clark Kent but the whole show is seen through the eyes of Clark Kent. Every other character is there to enhance the character of Clark Kent, making him the heart of the show.

I don't think he has been until recently. You can be the focus of the show, without being the most entertaining thing. Maybe why i have trouble watching most of the episodes before this season is because Clark hasn't been a character I could get behind. I always felt for Chloe, The Kents, and even Lex. Clark just felt like the any teen character from the past 15 years of tv, with superpowers.

Then suddenly he is now Clark Kent on his way to becoming the man he was born to be.

[avidreader]

Well the only response I have to this is - not gonna waste my time with a response.



Now this thread is about deaths and the 100th episode. Let's get back on track.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Oh i agree, but the point is that it shows they haven't been all that loyal to the past tellings. They have shown they will do what they want. I for one love Lois being there.


Yeah, but are people going to suddenly lose their memories? If that is the case, it is complete cop out.


Since avid, Serene, and trip basically said everything I'd say, this is the only bit I'll respond to. Nothing on the show, in terms of introductions of characters, came out of the blue. Not the Lex in Smallville nor the Lois in Smallville is totally original. It was all done before in one storyline or another..

http://www.wtv-zone.com/silverager/adven/adven261.jpg

http://www.thehutch.com/comics/images/15872f.jpg

Lex in Smallville:
http://supermantv.net/smallville/origins/superboy.htm


As for Lex knowing, I dont know how theyll finish out the series, but it's not exactly mandated that Lex doesnt know.

[supercrashmac]

I don't want this to happen at all, but what if the major character to die is Lois? Many have speculated that Chloe is the Lois character. What if Cloe takes on Lois's identity after Lois dies. I hope not, but it could happen.

[Triligors]

That's because some fans don't like Lois. A name changing scenario is- what the heck? Not going to happen. Introduce Lois, to kill her off and name Chloe Lois? Doesn't make any sense.

[avidreader]

I don't want this to happen at all, but what if the major character to die is Lois? Many have speculated that Chloe is the Lois character. What if Cloe takes on Lois's identity after Lois dies. I hope not, but it could happen.

It really aint gonna happen.

[Triligors]

I don't think Chloe will die because of what was said in an earlier interview. If anyone could find that- Gough and Millar stated that Chloe will become an essential character as she goes to work at the Daily Planet and pretty much become Clark's "inside girl" with the latest scoop of crime scenes and evidence to help Clark find his way and battle through "true crime" episodes which are going to continue ALOT more throughout the season. This is a new aspect of the show that Gough and Millar stated was coming to the show, through Chloe and her connections to the Daily Bugle- killing her character, well that's killing that aspect that they set up that would heavily involve her and the Daily Planet as resources to fight actual and larger crimes (even though some may not be super powered badies)

[War Lord]

Pete or Jonathan are the only deaths that make sense to me. I can't see them going a whole season without Jonathan. That would be almost as big as going without Clark himself.

I'm betting that it's going to be Pete.

[Triligors]

My money's still on CK's father- Jonathon Kent. Because we all know he's going to die, but we don't know when he will die. I think in episode 100 it will be a blow to both the audience and Clark. And have us also asking- "what now?" So, seems to fit. It's Jonathon.

[KalKai]

Pete or Jonathan are the only deaths that make sense to me. I can't see them going a whole season without Jonathan. That would be almost as big as going without Clark himself.

I'm betting that it's going to be Pete.

again with Pete? PETE IS NOT COMING BACK.

[War Lord]

again with Pete? PETE IS NOT COMING BACK.

I'm not necessarily expecting him back. I'm just not betting against WB from bringing back just so they fulfill an advertisement without undo harm to the overall story arc.

Even if it meant that they were paying him big time to do it.

[triplet]

I'm not necessarily expecting him back. I'm just not betting against WB from bringing back just so they fulfill an advertisement without undo harm to the overall story arc.

Even if it meant that they were paying him big time to do it.

I don't think they'd do that...

[War Lord]

I don't think they'd do that...

As the saying goes, there's reality and then there's advertising.

Has anybody suggested Krypto?

I think we've darn well forgot the dog. Another suspect on the list.

It's going to be the dog!!

[KikiDee]

It's going to be the dog!!

so if they take the lifeforce from the dog would Clark suddenly have the urge to dig holes for no reason and chew the furniture?

[War Lord]

so if they take the lifeforce from the dog would Clark suddenly have the urge to dig holes for no reason and chew the furniture?

The deal is that somebody must die and it's going to be somebody close to Clark.

Clark loves the dog and the death of the dog will not hurt the show in any significant way.

It works.

[~The Joker~]

This isn't real Superman. Lois and Lex never were in Smallville (well when they met Clark) It really could be anyone even Lois (but i really don't think so)

[Scorpion]

Actually Silver Age Lex WAS in Smallville. Lois never was though.

[The Incredible Hulk]

yes, please try reading a Superman comic that was written before 1990 before you start spouting off about what's "real Superman" and what isnt...

[GLfan]

Agreed. I hope it's not Chloe. If somebody HAS to go, I'd much prefer it be Lionel or one of the Kents (Jonathan?), which would make the most "sense."
Agreed, maybe Lionel then Lex could take over the family business and have more power. According to Superman history, we know that Jonathon does die unless they're going to change it like they did in the comics.

[War Lord]

Agreed, maybe Lionel then Lex could take over the family business and have more power. According to Superman history, we know that Jonathon does die unless they're going to change it like they did in the comics.

I can't see it happening this season though, it's too soon. If this was the last season, I could see it.

Mind you if Kent does die, it would allow storylines to go places the show never had a chance to before, such as despite all the power Clark has in the world, there some things that he can't change.

[Brainiac 8]

yes, please try reading a Superman comic that was written before 1990 before you start spouting off about what's "real Superman" and what isnt...


Thank you Hulk, I don't know how many times this needs to be said to these people who think they know all there is to know about Superman's history.

I have the issue of Superman that explains that Lex lived in Smallville and knew Clark. Plus he went bald partially because Clark tried to save him from one of his own experiments. It was written in the 70's.

[cyrus02pso]

Thank you Hulk, I don't know how many times this needs to be said to these people who think they know all there is to know about Superman's history.

I have the issue of Superman that explains that Lex lived in Smallville and knew Clark. Plus he went bald partially because Clark tried to save him from one of his own experiments. It was written in the 70's.

yeah i remember seeing an old superman cartoon about it... like Superfriends old, not Stas

[AgentPat]

These are general spoilers. Most are "old news," but what's bolded is NEW! :D

Smallville: Burning Questions Answered!
by Rich Sands

Smallville has shown its superstrength this fall, stacking up well against the Thursdays-at-8 heavyweights and breathing down Sydney Bristow's neck. It's no surprise, since the storytelling has picked up faster than a speeding bullet. The biggest twist came in the Oct. 13 episode when Kryptonian dad Jor-El brought Clark back from his deathbed and then told him that "the life force that has been returned to you will soon be taken from someone you love." Uh-oh, that can't be good. TV Guide turned to executive producer Al Gough for answers to our burning questions.

Was Jor-El bluffing? Is someone really gonna die?
Yup. "He does really mean it," Gough says. "If you look at Jor-El's history in the show, everything he has said has come to pass." The big event will happen in the 100th episode, airing this winter.

OK, who's it gonna be?
"If I told you that, it wouldn't be any fun," Gough says. "But it's safe to say it won't be the only death you see in that episode."

What's Brainiac up to?
We've only just met Professor Fine (played by Buffy the Vampire Slayer's James Marsters), but we'll soon learn that he's really the Kryptonian villain Brainiac and that he's up to no good. Gough says Brainiac will make his intentions known in the Nov. 10 and Nov. 17 episodes. "He tries to trick Clark into doing what he wants. I don't want to say too much, but there is a smack-down at the Fortress."

And what about those Disciples of Zod from the season premiere? Will they be back?
We can expect an encore performance from those Kryptonian thugs who Clark sent into an extradimensional prison (one that seemed a lot like the Phantom Zone of Superman II). "I don't want to spoil it, so I'll just say that you haven't seen the last of them and Brainiac is a key to that."

Lastly, there have been rumors on the Internet that this is your last season. Is that true?
"No, it's not the last season," Gough says adamantly. So how did that nasty rumor get started? Blame Canada. "The Canadian broadcaster of the show read something online, failed to call Warner Bros., which sells them the show, and put it on their marketing campaign," Gough says. "They have since sent me a formal letter of apology." Whew… crisis averted. Gough assures us that Smallville will be "on for at least six [more seasons] and hopefully seven."

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/?cmsGuid=%7BF6881D49-DA49-46B4-8134-125D1276439D%7D

[GinaRenee]

"Fun." Leave it to Gough to use the word "fun" in the context of a death. :down

I know he didn't say that death itself was fun. But that just rubs me the wrong way.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Lastly, there have been rumors on the Internet that this is your last season. Is that true?
"No, it's not the last season," Gough says adamantly. So how did that nasty rumor get started? Blame Canada. "The Canadian broadcaster of the show read something online, failed to call Warner Bros., which sells them the show, and put it on their marketing campaign," Gough says. "They have since sent me a formal letter of apology." Whew… crisis averted. Gough assures us that Smallville will be "on for at least six [more seasons] and hopefully seven."[/b]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/?cmsGuid=%7BF6881D49-DA49-46B4-8134-125D1276439D%7D

6 MORE seasons?? WTF? Only if 5 of those 6 involve :supes: That has to be a mistake....

[AgentPat]

6 MORE seasons?? WTF? Only if 5 of those 6 involve :supes: That has to be a mistake....LOL! Hulk, I think he meant 6 or 7 total.

As to the "fun" comment, the show is there to be entertaining. From a writer's point of view, it's not "fun" if the audience knows the specifics behind everything that's gonna happen. In context with the show and its stories however, I seriously doubt Gough meant the death(s) would be "fun." C'mon. :rolleyes:

[GinaRenee]

No, he probably didn't mean it that way. I'm just ticked that he used that word because the thought of a death on the show is distressing to me. I think it's a very bad idea. Their cast is the best thing they've got going for them -- why in the world would they want to cut a member of it? "Lost" envy?

[KikiDee]

No, he probably didn't mean it that way. I'm just ticked that he used that word because the thought of a death on the show is distressing to me. I think it's a very bad idea. Their cast is the best thing they've got going for them -- why in the world would they want to cut a member of it? "Lost" envy?

The execs often want something dramatic to happen to stir up ratings. Unfortunately it usually comes down to the cardinal sins sex and death being the most common. Emotional conflict stirs interest who knows why.
Can anyone quote Allen Shore from Boston Legal? It's a German term that means we revel in others misery.

[RakuMon]

The execs often want something dramatic to happen to stir up ratings. Unfortunately it usually comes down to the cardinal sins sex and death being the most common. Emotional conflict stirs interest who knows why.
Can anyone quote Allen Shore from Boston Legal? It's a German term that means we revel in others misery.
Don't watch Boston Legal, but I believe the word you're looking for is 'schadenfreude.'

[KikiDee]

Don't watch Boston Legal, but I believe the word you're looking for is 'schadenfreude.'

Yes! Thank you!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif We all love schadenfruede. Sick, but true.

[Triligors]

Gough says Brainiac will make his intentions known in the Nov. 10 and Nov. 17 episodes. "He tries to trick Clark into doing what he wants. I don't want to say too much, but there is a smack-down at the Fortress."

That sounds like fun. I wonder if it means Brianiac dies though?

[avidreader]

Gough says Brainiac will make his intentions known in the Nov. 10 and Nov. 17 episodes. "He tries to trick Clark into doing what he wants. I don't want to say too much, but there is a smack-down at the Fortress."

That sounds like fun. I wonder if it means Brianiac dies though?

No I dont think so, as he is set to appear in 10 episodes. He'll be there till the finale.

I think Clark will banish him somewhere somehow, as Marsters is in England doing some concerts for a while.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

Would be great if Braniac / Zod / & the 2 Kryptonian guys all came back well itd be Zods first visit but would be great for some bad guys to give Clark a run for his money :up:

[avidreader]

Would be great if Braniac / Zod / & the 2 Kryptonian guys all came back well itd be Zods first visit but would be great for some bad guys to give Clark a run for his money :up:

Hold on to your hat. I read something today that implied something along those lines.

[KikiDee]

Hold on to your hat. I read something today that implied something along those lines.

That phantom zone thingy is going to get broken again is what I think. We haven't seen the last of them........bwhahahaa. :)

[triplet]

This whole season will rock... :up:

I can't wait to see what Zod and Brainiac and those other two will be up to when they get together.

:D

[avidreader]

That phantom zone thingy is going to get broken again is what I think. We haven't seen the last of them........bwhahahaa. :)

I wonder if he broke it, when he threw that bomb in Hidden and perhaps this time they are going to be a little more devious and hide out waiting for the right opportunity, or Brainiac could be helping them as well.

[KikiDee]

I wonder if he broke it, when he threw that bomb in Hidden and perhaps this time they are going to be a little more devious and hide out waiting for the right opportunity, or Brainiac could be helping them as well.

My husband and I were debating that exact same thing. I can't help it I'm just so happy for this season. I guess it's not a bad thing the poor frog became roadkill. Seems to be working for Smallville anyway.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[DrMylesOBoogie]

I hope it's Chloe.

[AgentPat]

Hold on to your hat. I read something today that implied something along those lines.How's this for speculation? Remember all the Dean Cain rumors? I've noticed that Cain has chosen a few antagonist roles recently. Wouldn't it be sick if they got HIM to play Zod? I know he's not the most popular of Superman alumni, but I'd be all over that like a "bad suit" LOLOLOL!

And PS, Cain has been pretty active recently. IMDb has him listed in the casts of three motion pictures and two TV movies for 2005 alone. So much for that alleged curse. :p

[avidreader]

How's this for speculation? Remember all the Dean Cain rumors? I've noticed that Cain has chosen a few antagonist roles recently. Wouldn't it be sick if they got HIM to play Zod? I know he's not the most popular of Superman alumni, but I'd be all over that like a "bad suit" LOLOLOL!

And PS, Cain has been pretty active recently. IMDb has him listed in the casts of three motion pictures and two TV movies for 2005 alone. So much for that alleged curse. :p

Hey, you know that is a cool idea. Good thinking. :up:

[triplet]

How's this for speculation? Remember all the Dean Cain rumors? I've noticed that Cain has chosen a few antagonist roles recently. Wouldn't it be sick if they got HIM to play Zod? I know he's not the most popular of Superman alumni, but I'd be all over that like a "bad suit" LOLOLOL!

Dayum.... that's a whole hell of a lot better role for him than some prince from Eastern Europe who was sweet on Lois, or whatever that rumor was...

:up:

That'd be cool for him to play such a significant baddie. I always liked Cain.

And PS, Cain has been pretty active recently. IMDb has him listed in the casts of three motion pictures and two TV movies for 2005 alone. So much for that alleged curse. :p

:D :up:

[Red]

i tust you have seen this http://www.kryptonsite.com/

Smallville Executive Producer Alfred Gough has revealed to TV Guide that Jor-El will be coming to collect the life of someone who is close to Clark, a deal made earlier this season. The "reckoning" (also conveniently the title of the episode) will happen in episode #12 of the current season, which happens to also be the series' 100th show. More so, Gough has hinted that the life force that Jor-El is collecting might not be the only big character finality in the episode.

The big question of fans' minds since then has been a resounding "Who will it be?" The Smallville production team is being extra careful so we don't find out; we hear false scripts have even been circulating so there's no way we can safely know. (Otherwise, we'd just refer you to the KryptonSite Spoilers Page and tell you to just "stay tuned!") We rounded up a list of the nine most likely candidates... and over 60,000 people told us who they thought might die. Who won? Here were the top five choices:

#1. Jonathan Kent (19707 votes)
33% of the people who participated in this poll thought that it would be Jonathan Kent who's going to the big cow pasture in the sky. Why? In the classic Superman movies as well as "Superman Returns" coming this summer, Jonathan Kent is always the first of Clark's Earth-bound parents to go. Plus, it would be pretty dramatic, in the midst of the whole race for senator. Let's just hope Tom Wopat comes to the funeral, if he is indeed the one to go.

#2. Chloe Sullivan (15152 votes)
Coming in second place with 25% of the vote is Chloe Sullivan. This is probably the most controversial choice since Chloe has quite a fan following, especially online. Lots of anvils have been thrown at us on the show in recent weeks, like "I'd die before I gave up your secret," which would make one wonder. Chloe also is not in the grown-up Superman's comic books. Could Chloe be on the way out, to make way for her cousin to embrace her journalistic destiny? Again, we don't know, but over 15,000 of you think it might happen.

#3. Lionel Luthor (6301 votes)
He's been a bad guy, a good guy, in jail, out of jail, long haired, short haired, blind, and possessed to become "Lion-El." Have all of the story avenues for Lionel Luthor been exhausted? Jor-El told Clark that someone close to him will die, but it has been implied that more than one person might go. And... if Jor-El is still inside of Lionel someplace, that, too, could leave open the possibility for Lex's dear father to go bye-bye.

Also keep in mind that Smallville's writers like to use parallels between Lex and Clark very often. For both of them to lose their fathers in the same episode could make for some serious drama.

Lionel got 10% of the vote.

#4. Lana Lang (6106 votes)
Wishful thinking from fans at Television Without Pity - or speculation from those who realize that Smallville may not actually take the exact path of the comic books? What if Lana was Clark's true love, who died when he was very young? Would they "go there?" It has been implied that the "big death" will be a surprise.

This could prove a dangerous but dramatic move for the show, since Kristin Kreuk and her character of Lana have a very large fan base. Could "Exposed" and "Solitude" have been a test for how the show would do without Lana Lang? Or are we just in a state of "Splinter"-like paranoia? Guess we'll have to see... Lana also ended up with 10%.

#5. None of the above - it's a trick! (3713 votes)
Or, could Smallville be trying to fool us, in a "someone dies in Hourglass/Who Shot Lionel Luthor?" kind of way? Maybe the character or characters who die may be people we just haven't seen in a while on the show, or just wouldn't think would be potentials for death or doom. Aunt Nell, Sheriff Ethan, Sheriff Nancy, Domonic Santori, Gabe Sullivan, General Lane, Lucy Lane, Lucas Dunleavy-Luthor, Nam-Ek, Aethyr, Shelby, Carrie Castle, Victoria Hardwick, Martha's dad from "Redux" who nobody remembers, Chad the Goth - we're looking at you.

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Here were the results for all ten choices. Thanks to everyone for participating! Don't forget to tune in to Smallville's 100th episode in early 2006 to find out who kicks the bucket!

#1. Jonathan Kent 19707 33%
#2. Chloe Sullivan 15152 25%
#3. Lionel Luthor 6301 10%
#4. Lana Lang 6106 10%
#5. None of the above - it's a trick! 3713 6%
#6. Pete Ross 3428 6%
#7. Professor Milton Fine 2678 4%
#8. Martha Kent 1943 3%
#9. Lois Lane 750 1%
#10. Lex Luthor 392 1%


the Lion-El bit cracked me up.

[OobeDoobBenubi]

I doubt Jonathan is the one to go at least NOT NOW

A) Clark is still talking to Lex in Future Episodes after the 100th

B) If Jonathan died DURING THE ELECTION Clark will just blame Lex & NOT talk to him Period

C) Having Jonathan die during the Election will NOT look good for Lex & EVERYONE who knows Lex well enough will just Blame him & according to Future Spoilers it seems like Clark & Lex are still Friends after the 100th Episode so that is hint enough Jonathan might NOT die.

It would be MORE interesting if Lex LOST the Election to Jonathan then that'd give Lex even MORE reason to go INSANE

[War Party]

I think it's Lana. They'll have Clark grieve for awhile and then him and lois are going to start hitting it off. You saw the look she gave Clark when he was walking away after she moved into Lana's apartment. It's going to happen sooner or later.

[KalKai]

Jonathan will die, a guy at TWoP forums confirmed it, and he was right about other things.